Wednesday, 2016-09-28

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zioprotohello, is the Scientific Working group meeting going on now ?05:46
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zioprotooh I messed up with the time zones05:47
zioprotosee you in 1 hour :)05:47
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zioprotohello, is the Scientific Working group meeting going on now ?07:04
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zioprotothat is what happen when you get confused about time zones :) ok now it is 7 UTC so the meeting is in two hours07:06
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b1airog'day oneswig08:59
oneswighello keeners08:59
oneswigReady to go?08:59
oneswig#startmeeting scientific_wg09:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep 28 09:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at
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oneswig#chair b1airo09:00
openstackCurrent chairs: b1airo oneswig09:00
zioprotohello, here Saverio Proto from SWITCH, this is my first IRC meeting for this WG09:00
b1airosure, but fyi i am fighting with some switch upgrades and they are not going well, so a little distracted sorry...09:00
oneswigIf you get cut off, we'll know what happened09:00
b1airowelcome zioproto !09:00
oneswigHello zioproto, thanks for joining in09:01
priteauWelcome zioproto09:01
oneswig#link today's agenda URL
oneswig#topic Accounting and Scheduling09:02
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oneswigOr in today's case, identity federation09:02
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zioprotois anyone using identity federation in production with Horizon ?09:02
oneswig#link zioproto's workshop in Rome:
zioprotoyes we have this WS right before barcelona09:03
zioprotoThe main goal of the WS is the identification of the current level of integration between Identity Federations, Trust & Identity technologies, and Openstack.09:03
zioprotoThe workshop idea comes from the community of the NRENs Openstack Operators (OSO), which is an informal, hands-on meet up of NREN people dealing with OpenStack in the provisioning of NREN services. Link
zioprotoI would like to Write a User Story with the description of what NRENs mean by federation, to deliver to the Openstack Product WG. From the Manchester Ops-midcycle it emerged that the developers of the openstack community have very confused ideas about what is federation.09:03
zioprotothe Workshop is open to anyone interested in the topic09:03
zioprotoif you ahve trouble loggin in the GEANT platform just contact me09:04
zioprotothere is a google docs with the Agenda, if you want to bring content just edit the agenda09:04
oneswigDo we need an account with GEANT to attend?09:04
zioprotono, I think you can login also with a google acount09:04
zioprotobut I never tried :)09:04
zioprotoI mean to register in the web site to show you are participating09:04
zioprotowe have max room for 30 people09:04
zioprotoso we want to collect also09:05
zioprotoexperience for people09:05
zioprotohow do you onboard your users ?09:05
zioprotohow do you integrate the existing identity federation mechasim that you have for the other academic services09:05
zioprotofor example a SWITCH we have a portal where you login with your federated identity09:06
zioprotoand then the portal creates an account into keystone09:06
oneswigAt Cambridge we are starting to look seriously at federation but are not yet started.  We authenticate the cloud with the university LDAP infrastructure, but would like to reach further09:06
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zioprotothe final goal would be to have something like EDUROAM for openstack09:06
oneswigzioproto: How are the account creations themselves authorised?09:06
zioprotowe send to the user a Voucher Link09:06
oneswigsomething like eduroam but not eduroam?09:07
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zioprotothat would be the final Goal09:07
dariovhello all09:07
verdurinAh - that's better. Was on OFTC by mistake. Morning.09:07
oneswighello all09:07
zioprotoI hope we get there by the 'Z' release :)09:07
zioprotoso I just wanted to adversise this workshop, and I hope to find interested people in this topics09:07
zioprotoalso, this would remove a lot of work from operators09:08
zioprotonow we spend a lot of time managin users09:08
zioprotoand quota09:08
zioprotoand so on09:08
oneswigzioproto: for people who aren't up to speed, can you describe what you see as the current state of the art wrt identity federation in openstack?09:08
oneswigand what's missing?09:08
zioprotowe had already a first workshop09:08
zioprotoand we have a etherpad09:08
zioprotohold on I have to find the link09:08
oneswigit needs a sign-in, alas09:09
zioprotolet me check09:09
b1airozioproto: did Simon Leinen mention NeCTAR Research Cloud has on-boarding via Australian Access Federation?09:10
zioprotoyes he mentioned09:10
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zioprotooneswig: you can sign in with a github account, any account will work09:10
oneswigah ok thanks09:10
zioprotoI have no idea why is not completely public, I think for antispam09:10
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zioprotooneswig: also check out this page with other useful material #link
oneswigGot a bit further, I signed in via github but now I'm at a form where I can request access.09:11
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zioprotob1airo: our solution is similar to Nectar09:12
dariovoneswig, same here09:12
zioprotooneswig: I will fix this permission issue as soon as we end the meeting, sorry about that09:12
oneswigzioproto: Is there integration between federation solutions being developed in Europe, North America and Australasia?09:13
oneswig... or is that the aim of this workshop?09:13
b1airoso to you does this initial bootstrapping of users into your cloud count as "openstack federation"?09:13
zioprotosorry I used the wrong link09:14
zioprototry this #link
zioprotooneswig: we dont know, that is a good topic for the WS09:14
oneswigNew link works thanks09:14
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zioprotooneswig: especially if you want easily access for VMs in different continent for network measurements for example09:15
priteauzioproto: I didn't know about ospurge, useful! #link
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zioprotoyes, another side goal of the workshop is to have operators meet face to face and share operations best practice09:16
zioprotolike this tools09:16
zioprotoWe organized soon before Barcelona so we can collect good ideas from this community to bring at the devs room in BCN09:16
oneswigzioproto: how do you expect to organise the sessions - discussions, presentations, hands-on activities?09:16
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zioprotowe are organizing the Agenda on a google docs #link
zioprotowe have the first day presentations I guess, and the second day more hands on, on practical things09:17
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zioprotoI would like to write following this template
zioprotosomething to give to the Product Working Group09:18
zioprotobecause the commericial companies have no idea what we meant for federation09:18
zioprotothis emerged here #link
zioprotowhen you talk with Commercial Public CLoud providers about federation they have no idea about the use case09:19
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zioprotosorry I give a lot of links and input, maybe too much all together, but I hope I have an idea what is the workshop about09:19
zioproto1. Understand what is already available09:19
zioproto2. try to give feedback upstream on our use case09:20
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zioproto3. meet each other to make stronger the scientific academic openstack community09:20
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oneswigzioproto: this all sounds good and hopefully having the summit the following week will give you some attendees from other continents09:21
zioprotoyes, sorry for short notice, but is not me organizing officialy09:21
priteauzioproto: Are you planning to share a recap of the workshop? It would be useful to bootstrap discussion at the summit09:22
dariovzioproto, interesting stuff, really.09:22
zioprotoworkshop is organized by GARR09:22
b1airoi suspect we need to split out multiple user stories from this?09:22
oneswigHow does this compare with Helix Nebula (for example)?09:22
oneswigHi mario__09:22
zioprotothey have a very large deployment but for example they are not very much in touch with the community09:22
zioprotoso this is also a motivation to get more people in09:22
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dariovoneswig, Helix Nebula is something completely different09:22
dariovthat’s mainly a talking shop between “clients” and european cloud providers09:23
mario__The idea is to gather che community around the issues and desired features to integrate the openstack cluster and identity federations at large09:23
verdurinYes, Helix Nebula is mainly about procuring cloud resources, as far as I know.09:23
dariovthere’s a “huge” cloud procurement going on, and identity federation is something we asked for09:23
zioprotomario__ is the official organizer of the workshop. He is the local organizer in Rome.09:23
mario__Openstack operators is an informal meet up of the national reserach and edutacion networks community in EU09:24
dariovbut that’s something that is under hte “Helix Nebula” umbrella, but somewhat a separate projecty09:24
oneswigOK thanks09:24
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mario__So interested people should take a look at the proposed discussion items and the agena - feel free to add possible discussion items09:25
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zioprotomario__: read the backlog I guess you connected a bit late :)09:25
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dariovanyway, zioproto, we’re come across many times the “we want to federate our OpenStack, but how the hell we do it”09:26
oneswigSo this workshop will feed into activities in Barcelona - ops sessions?09:26
mario__yes.  any further additional question about it ?09:26
dariovI’ll ask out openstack guys to have a look at the workshop, not sure they can come as they’re all flying to Barcelona (lucky them)09:26
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zioprotodariov: it was very difficult to do it until the Liberty release. But now all components should work09:26
mario__yes, the idea is to try to skatch a summry document, again - informally - to feed possible  requests coming from the discussion in Rome and find a way to ship them to Barcelona09:27
zioprotodariov: the CLI is the most difficult thing to federate. Web access is easier09:27
mario__also collect own developments and share them09:27
oneswigzioproto: Does OpenStack publish any reference on federation or is it all moving too fast to be useful?09:27
dariovyep, I think we managed to federate to the EGI cloud, but that’s pretty much it09:27
zioprotoGuys I have clear in my mind that if we never write a use case for people outside of our community, federation as we mean it will never be implemented or supported.09:27
mario__to make just one example :   how to deal with non ephemeral users09:27
zioprotothere is a lot of demos out there but no production stuff09:27
mario__pre-procure them in keystone,  using domains09:28
zioprotooneswig: all moving very fast. Keystone was still busy changing token format until Kilo ! Shadow users and proper LDAP support appeared only in Juno or Icehouse. :)09:28
mario__there are both operational and management issues, demanding steps in terms of overall set up of a system able to accomodate users from SAML identity providers09:29
dariovCERN has federated the two Openstack they have, right?09:29
davehollandis two-factor auth something that's considered with federation or is it usually handled separately?09:29
zioprotodariov: not exactly. They use the CERN LDAP as far as I know.09:29
verdurindariov: they use cells09:29
dariovah-ah, good to know09:29
zioprotodariov: so they have everything attached to this external LDAP, but is only 1 as far as I know09:30
verdurinthey contributed a lot of upstream fixes to get it working09:30
zioprotoGuys, I dont have all the answers :) otherwise I would not push to organize the workshop :) but I feel the topic is of great interest :)09:30
verdurinyes, the two different sites are not visible to CERN cloud users09:31
oneswigdaveholland: good question, my guess is that authentication is separated but can anyone comment?09:31
mario__please spread information as appropriate about this workshop, we will organize and support remote participation as well,09:31
oneswigzioproto: definitely seems to be a relevant subject to me!09:31
verdurindaveholland: I'd consider that to be separate from federation, at least logically09:32
dariovmario__, kudos for the remote partecipation09:32
mario__we have still 25 places available on Premises at GARR, Rome09:32
dariovzioproto: it is!09:32
b1airoare you all aware of the effort towards a meeting specifically around scientific cloud federation at the Boston summit?09:32
zioprotoAgain at this etherpad #link #link we collected the compatibility matrix of the current Identity Federation solutions until Liberty09:32
zioprotothere is an ASCI table almost at the end09:33
oneswiggot it thanks.09:34
oneswigAny more on this topic?09:34
zioprotob1airo: I am , are you talking about this #link ?09:34
mario__please feel free to edit the shared agenda document proposing items you feel could be useful to discuss in Rome,  propose a talk if you feel like, and, also, we have to define a skeleton for a way to tructure  feedback consistently09:34
davehollandverdurin: yes, the question was a bit tangential, wondering about the case of federating but only allowing federated uers who have 2fa09:34
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zioprotomove on to next topic ?09:36
oneswigThanks zioproto mario__ for joining and sharing those details09:36
zioprotoyou are welcome !09:36
oneswig#topic Barcelona planning09:37
mario__feel free to further contact me and/or Saverio about it09:37
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oneswigGreat thanks mario__09:37
mario__you're welcome09:37
oneswigSo there was some discussion about posters at the WG session in Barcelona but the feeling is it may be something to plan ahead for Boston instead09:37
oneswigWe should also start gathering agenda items for discussion at the WG meeting09:38
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zioprotooneswig: there is a etherpad link ?09:39
oneswig#link - fresh out of the oven09:39
zioprotooh ok it is still empty09:40
oneswigGiven the BoF and the meeting, where do discussions on matters like federation fall?09:40
zioprotoBoF ?09:40
zioprotoI dont know this BoF acronym09:40
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oneswigYes - Birds of a Feather (stick together)09:40
zioprotoI am editing the etherpad with this09:41
oneswigIn the meeting we should at least talk over the four activity areas kicked off in Austin at the meeting and talk over what has happened in the meantime09:42
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zioprotoI was not able to join Austin. Do you have the Austin etherpad link ?09:43
oneswigzioproto: think you could make a lightning talk from your google-ngrams item ?09:43
zioprotooneswig: sure !09:43
oneswig#link what happened in Austin
zioprotodo we already know the timeslot and day ? I need to make sure I have in my calendar09:43
oneswigzioproto: we are intending to have a set of lightning talks in the BoF, no schedule as yet09:44
zioprotoOK, but we know on what day ?09:44
oneswigzioproto: all I know is Wednesday morning09:44
zioprotoperfect, I will take a not09:44
zioprotowe are working on Scientific Dataset and Hadoop/Spark. The idea is to implement at SWITCH something similar to Amazon Public Datasets09:45
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zioprotoI can make a presentation about where we are so far, and the lesson learned09:45
b1airooneswig: i take it you have not heard anything more back from speakersupport?09:45
oneswigb1airo: not that I'm aware of, no09:45
davehollandthe schedule has the BoF at Wednesday 12:15pm-12:55pm09:45
oneswigzioproto: interesting, and when the federation's all in place will that end up with code moving to the data?09:46
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zioprotooneswig: yes, you will be able to start instances to our Openstack deployment and have the Data in the same datacenter09:46
zioprotoalso together with GARR me and mario__ worked on replicating the data between SWITCH and GARR so we can host it with reduced redundancy and at a lower cost09:47
oneswigsounds like a good vision09:47
zioprotohow much time is the lightnening talk ? 10 mins ?09:48
zioprotoso I can prepare the presentation accordingly09:48
oneswigI would expect 5 minutes09:48
zioprotook, so it will be very quick :) 3 slides I guess :)09:49
oneswigthat kind of thing, yes09:49
oneswigSo one other item for the agenda for the meeting was the suggestion we have 3 co-chairs, geographically spread to Europe, Americas and APAC09:50
oneswigIn order to keep an eye on (and take part in) regional events more effectively09:50
dariovzioproto, beware lighting talks, they’re really crazy :-)09:50
davehollandwe (Sanger) can offer a few slides/few minutes about the private OpenStack/VMware/CloudForms system we built as a proof-of-concept?09:50
oneswigdaveholland: I am sure that would be interesting to many people09:51
davehollandOK, I will make sure we have something09:51
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oneswigI will start to gather items for this and mail on the ops list09:52
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oneswig#action Stig to mail ops for BoF lightning talk subjects09:52
oneswigAnyone else interested in putting in a lightning talk?09:53
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verdurinoneswig: possibly09:53
oneswigverdurin: noted - possible topic to follow :-)09:53
oneswigOK, last item here was the evening social on Thursday09:54
zioprotooneswig: I went on the eventbrite and it was already fully booked :(09:54
oneswig... Which is full but we are looking to extend from 30 to 5009:54
dariovoneswig, great! I’ll pass that on to our guys09:54
oneswigzioproto: I'll put you on the list (we have 10 waiting) to make sure you get space if it goes through09:54
oneswig10 including EBI gang09:55
zioprotook it is my + 109:55
zioprotoI travel with my wife that is also Openstack operator in another istitution. She will kill me if I get the seat and she does not :)09:55
oneswig2 tickets down on the list09:56
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dariovoneswig, should just be one from the EBI, not a gang :-)09:56
oneswigGot it - David Ocana?09:57
davehollandI am on the list but would appreciate +1 for my boss (Pete) if space allows09:57
oneswigPete's down too09:57
davehollandbrill, ta09:57
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oneswigSo hopefully we should know the score by the weekend.  If we can't subsidise 100%, I think the next best is to partly-subsidise more people rather than fully-subsidise fewer.  Any views on that?09:58
zioprotoso from SWITCH we are 4. Simon already registered on the event brite.09:58
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oneswigIs Mario #4?09:58
zioprotono Mario is from GARR09:59
verdurinHave to go - thanks all.09:59
oneswigah, we are out of time!09:59
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b1airoyeah agreed, i think most people would be more than happy to attend even if they with no subsidy09:59
zioprotothank you for the good meeting !09:59
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oneswigzioproto: Sofiane?09:59
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zioprotooneswig: Sofiane is from EPFL09:59
zioprotoI dont know if he knows about this dinner09:59
zioprotoI will tell him !10:00
oneswigOK zioproto let me know10:00
zioprotoSWITCH: Saverio Simon Valery and Harald10:00
zioprotowe are 4 travelling to BCN for the summit10:00
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zioprotoand also I have my wife from University of Zurich10:00
zioprotowe all plan to attend the social dinner10:00
zioprotobut only simon registered10:00
zioprotoI hope this clears the confusion10:00
oneswigOK I've updated - 1+410:01
oneswigOK all, must wrap up10:01
oneswigthanks everyone, great session10:01
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b1airoi'm thoroughly confused... but this is not an unusual state of affairs10:01
zioprotothanks ! I have to rush away for lunch, bye !10:01
priteaubye all10:01
davehollandthanks, bye10:02
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mario__bye all10:05
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tonyb#startmeeting requirements12:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.12:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'requirements'12:01
tonyb#topic rollcall12:01
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tonybtoabctl: howdy.12:03
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tonybnumber80: \o12:04
tonybSo lets get started ....12:05
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tonyb#topic Any controversies in the Queue?12:05
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tonyb is up there12:06
tonyby'all have any thoughts on that one?12:06
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tonyb'Add pykube to global-requirements'12:06
toabctlhm. is pykube using k8sclient internally?12:08
tonybtoabctl: no12:08
toabctlfrom the description it sounds like k8sclient is autogenerated and for that reason difficult to extend.12:08
tonybtoabctl: pykube is an external librarry that does pretty much the same thing only from some POVs better12:08
toabctltoI'm reading now your comments.12:09
number80well, pykube is okay-ish12:09
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toabctleh, tonyb ^^12:09
number80considering k8sclient state ...12:09
toabctltonyb, I agree with your comments in the review.12:09
number80let's give them time to discuss first12:10
tonybI missed that k8sclient was totally autogenerated12:10
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tonybanything else?12:11
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tonybok moving on ....12:12
tonyb#topic Barcelona Design Summit12:12
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tonybThe etherpad need work (specifially I need to flesh out those ideas)12:12
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tonybbut feel free to add your own12:13
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tonyb#topic Tasks from Etherpad12:13
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tonybJust the same old same old. If you have time to hack on stuff thats the *long* list of things to do12:14
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tonybpost summit we'll have a priority list but we can work on stuff not on the priority list12:15
tonybI wanted to discuss the meeting time but with only 3 of us here that's probably best done on the list or on a doodle poll12:15
tonyb#topic py27-with-upper-constraints12:15
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tonybSo that's a pretty important test that we got 90% working and then let it rot12:16
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tonybit's failign with Permission denied, and when it did run it wasn't deterministic12:16
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tonybAre either of you free enough to look into it and get it working?12:17
tonyb(It would have caught a problem with the murano-pgk-check review if it had been working)12:17
tonybhey dirk12:17
dirksorry, I'm late12:17
tonybdirk: no problem12:17
tonybdirk: thoughts on py27-with-upper-constraints?12:18
dirkehm, no12:18
tonybdirk: Do you have anytime to work on it?12:19
dirkI can work a bit on things but not in the next 2-3 weeks12:19
tonybdirk: that'd be a great one.12:19
dirkprimary thing I'm probably interested in is  the lower-constraints testing though :-)12:20
dirkand building more tooling around the review process12:20
tonybit's an important part of our testing strategy that we're missing but at the same time assuming is working12:20
dirkit still feels difficult to me to judge the impact of approving a change12:20
dirkwhich is why I'm a bit hesitant on reviews, even though it greatly aligns with my day-to-day work with keeping packaged openstack running12:21
tonybdirk: the lower-constraints is a good one buta lot of the design discussion around the goal will be done in Barcelona12:21
dirktonyb: I probably forgot the context of the py27-with-upper-constraints, is that documented somewhere?12:21
tonybdirk: Not really.  just in tox and the code.12:22
tonybdirk: basically it installs everythign in u-c and then verifies there are no conflicts12:22
dirkthat one12:22
dirkso the topic is that it doesn't apss and is not voting and we should do something about that?12:22
tonybdirk: but it's failing in the early setup with permission denied so its basically doing nothing12:23
tonybdirk: Yup.  exactly that.12:23
tonybmake it work, make it pass, make it vote12:23
dirkyes, thats good12:23
dirkok, I'll put it on my todo12:23
tonybdirk: Great!12:23
dirkbut it will be slow for the next days for sure12:23
tonybdirk: No rush, it's never worked :(12:24
* dirk checks if the error he has locally matches the jenkins error12:24
tonybbut it *should* have caught a bug this week but I've trained myself to ignore it because it doesn't work and doesn't vote :(12:24
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tonybokay ....12:25
dirkhmm, the local error is a lot more meaningful than the server one12:25
tonybdirk: Yeah.  I can't get the Permission denied error locally12:25
tonyb#action dirk to take a run at py27-with-upper-constraints12:26
tonyb#topic Open Discussion12:26
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tonybgoing twice .....12:28
tonybOkay Thanks everyone12:30
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joehuang#startmeeting tricircle13:00
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joehuang#topic rollcall13:00
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joehuang#info joehuang13:01
ronghui__#info ronghui13:01
lzy#info liuzyu13:01
hejiawei#info jiawei13:01
Yipei#info Yipei13:01
yinxiulin#info xiulin13:01
liukun#info liukun13:01
dongfeng#info dongfeng13:01
zhiyuan#info zhiyuan13:01
WuCheng#info Wucheng13:01
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joehuang#topic patch review before freeze date13:02
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joehuangas you know, we'll have a branch "Newton" on Sept.3013:02
joehuangand thank you all for your hard work13:02
joehuangnow only two "MUST to have" patches not merged13:03
joehuangfor installation.rst, I think it looks good to me for current version13:03
joehuangvolume basic operation needs more several round review13:04
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joehuangso we can focus on how to clean the current branch13:05
joehuangto Ronghui, Jiawei, do you have any challenge to finish this two patches?13:05
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ronghui__for the installation.rst no problems13:06
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hejiaweiI have some question about the test13:07
ronghui__for the volume basic operation, we have ready for the code but some problems in the tox test13:07
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joehuangpy27 or pep8?13:08
hejiaweierver_ips need implement13:08
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joehuangall failed except doc test?13:09
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hejiaweiserver_ips need implement,but I temporary take over this patch,I have some question about nova_apigw code13:11
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hejiaweithis is the fail log AssertionError: Expected 'action_resources' to be called once. Called 0 times.13:12
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hejiaweiI can't find the reason13:12
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hejiaweiand for tempest test, testr not show what test case fail.But it fail13:14
hejiaweisorry,it is testr results.html.gz13:14
zhiyuando you mean
zhiyuanI don't see you call action_resources in the controller13:15
joehuangjust "api.client.get("/servers/%s/ips" % self.server_id)" called13:16
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zhiyuanyes, so you get an AssertionError13:17
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hejiaweihow should I do, to call action_resources13:17
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zhiyuanyou write your test case based on your code, not write code based on your test case13:18
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zhiyuanso just change the assertion in your test case13:19
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joehuangassert the url is called13:19
joehuangyou can refer to
joehuangline 384/38513:20
zhiyuanfor the tempest test, I am not sure if the problem is caused by your code since it doesn't pass py27 and pep8, so please pass py27 and pep8 first13:21
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joehuangok, so Jiawei please go on for the patch improvement13:21
joehuanghello, let's now talk about the next topic13:22
joehuang#topic tricircle cleaning13:22
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joehuanghello, patches needed to clean the tricircle13:23
joehuanglet's list them in
joehuangitem 613:24
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zhiyuanDoes it mean that we make a plan of patches?13:26
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zhiyuanOr we add the patch to the list after we submit a patch13:27
joehuangwe list patches has been submitted and need to submit, then set a plan13:28
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joehuangfor patches not submit yet, just leave a short description13:28
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joehuang#info Try to get these above cleanning patches merged before Oct.19, before Barcelona summit.13:46
joehuang#info Try to get tricircle cleanning patches merged before Oct.19, before Barcelona summit.13:47
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joehuang#topic summit sessions planning13:47
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joehuangwe have two sessions in OpenStack design summit Barcelona13:48
joehuangplease be aware that only Tricircle (networking automation related topic)13:48
joehuangto be discussed in the design summit session13:48
joehuang#info Fishbowl (73 people) room on Thursday(Oct 27) at 5:30pm-6:10pm13:49
joehuang#info Workroom (20 people) on Friday(Oct 28) at 9:00am-9:40am13:49
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joehuang#info Use round tables room for the rest of Friday(Oct 28) at 9:40am ~ 6:10pm13:49
joehuangso please input the topics you want to discuss for the coming Ocata release13:50
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zhiyuanI have added some13:50
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joehuangwe'll have meeting for f2f in Barcelona with onling meeting too13:52
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Yipei@joe, how to join online meeting?13:54
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ronghui__same question+113:55
joehuangwe'll provide etherpad for each topic's discussion13:55
Yipeiok, got it13:55
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joehuangthis is the way of openstack design summit, talking and writing at the same time13:55
joehuangf2f better, but if you were not there, you can still attend the discussion13:56
Yipeiok, got it13:56
joehuangok, please add the topics you want to discuss offline13:56
joehuangtime is up now13:57
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joehuangother topics?13:57
Yipeino for me13:57
joehuangplease keep the link
joehuangok, thank you for your attending13:58
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krotscheck#startmeeting javascript14:00
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krotscheckGood morning everyone!14:00
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krotscheck#topic Action followup: space-before-function-parens.14:01
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krotscheckcardeois, msmol were working on this?14:01
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cardeoisreview is here msmol did it and it's merged14:01
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cardeoisthere still is the eslint global config to update if we want to14:02
krotscheckRight- the governance on theat project requires more votes.14:02
krotscheckWe could just gang land it though14:02
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msmolsorry i'm late, we're talking about es-lint stuff?14:03
krotscheckYeah, we mentioned that we can do a global update.14:03
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msmolYes, I meant to open a review in that project, but I just haven't had a chance yet. I'll try to get that open today or tomorrow14:03
krotscheck#action msmol add space-before-funcitno-parens rule to eslint-config-openstack14:04
krotscheck#topic Action Followup: All of krotscheck's things.14:04
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* krotscheck has had no time to work on anything, so I either have to delegate or punt again14:04
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krotscheckTask 1: bother Ajaeger about doc publishing14:04
krotscheckThat's my patch, I should probably just do that.14:04
cardeoisOK where's the patch already?14:05
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krotscheckTask 2: Propagate release documentation from eslint to other projects.
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cardeoisThis one I can help if you want but I don't fully understand it14:07
cardeoisIs that to release a version to npm?14:07
krotscheckNo, it's to copy the documentation that betherly wrote into the other projects so we know how to do it.14:07
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cardeoisYeah but what's the goal of this doc? after you have a tag it will publish to npmjs ? or that's another step14:08
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krotscheckTagging will trigger the release workflow, which will make the infra systems publish the package to npm.14:09
cardeoisAlright cool, so it's not complicated to do then, just copy/paste14:09
krotscheckI can hand that off to you then?14:09
cardeoisYes, can you add those 2 tasks in storyboard?14:10
krotscheckRoger wilco.14:10
krotscheck#action krotscheck create release documentation tasks in storyboard14:10
krotscheck#topic Action Followup: js-lib in fuel-ui14:10
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krotscheckSooooo.... keystonev2, eh?14:10
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vkramskikhhi, I posted an update yesterday14:11
vkramskikhcurrently fuel uses v2 api14:11
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vkramskikhi'm figuring out if it's possible to migrate to v314:11
krotscheckRight, and it does so in a weird way that creates a random auth domain with every instance.14:11
vkramskikhv3 api are available on the master node, but they require domain names which seems to be unique for every installation14:11
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vkramskikhI didn't see any other blockers in using js-openstack-lib, I was able to successfully include in tn the fuel build14:12
krotscheckContext: auth and project domains are used for auth federation - one keystone master knowing to accept tokens from a different keystone master and so forth.14:12
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cardeoisWe could maybe also add support of keystone v2 in js-openstack-lib?14:12
krotscheckI don't see any problem with that, except that we then have to solve the "How do you pick more than one supported version" problem.14:13
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vkramskikhI'll try to solve issues with switching to v3 and report on the next meeting and we'll see what we can do here14:14
cardeoisyeah true. I feel like for MVP we should focus on v3, and see if vkramskikh can figure out a way to use v3 in fuel. It's not like it's a lost of time to upgrate keystone in fuel14:14
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krotscheck#topic Action Followup: Get your barcelona info to yujunz!14:15
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krotscheckDid everyone reach out to him?14:15
cardeoisNope I didn't but I should !14:15
msmoloops, nope14:15
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larainemaI can easily connect with him:)14:16
vkramskikhoh I didn't14:16
larainemaBut I will not at Barcelona14:16
krotschecklarainema: Yeah, I won't either.14:16
krotscheck#action vkramskikh Try to make fuel support keystone v3, report back.14:17
msmolwe should start a gofundme to get you guys over there ;-)14:17
krotscheck#action cardeois msmol vkramskikh Get contact info to yujunz14:17
krotscheckmsmol: Well, for atlanta I'm going to apply for a scholarship.14:17
krotscheckmsmol: But I missed the window this time.14:17
krotscheckEven so, I strongly encourage everyone to hang out in the App Developer's lounge as much as possible.14:18
cardeoisYep will try14:18
krotscheckOh, also, it looks like there _will_ be an SDK fishbowl.14:18
* krotscheck probably mentioned that at one point.14:19
krotscheckALright, moving on.14:19
krotscheck#topic MVP Status14:19
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krotscheckSo, the biggest blocker righ tnow is nova.14:19
krotscheckAnd CORS in nova.14:19
cardeoisYeah did you figure it out?14:19
krotscheckNope. I spent 3-4 hours trying to get nova running in a debuggable environment14:19
krotscheckAnd did not succeed.14:19
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krotscheckNext attempt is to modify the nova code live in a devstack instance and see if I can figure out why the CORS middleware isn't being triggered.14:20
cardeoisOk so I could maybe try to help you on that next week14:20
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cardeois(even if I don't know how to do that)14:21
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krotscheckYeah, I don't either. This is all new ground for me, and I don't have handy nova experts to reach out to anymore :)14:21
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* krotscheck makes a note to poke auggy14:21
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cardeoisok, so anyway if you want help or pair via screen sharing or whatever let me know14:22
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krotscheck#action krotscheck Try to unblock nova.14:22
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krotscheckThat's all I have today. Anyone else have progress on our things in storyboard?14:22
cardeoisfor mvp neutron was merged14:22
cardeoisnetworklist is open :
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cardeoisThere's a merge conflict with this one:
cardeoisdong ma I guess need to rebase14:23
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krotschecklarainema ^^14:24
cardeoisAnd last for storyboard, I created this last week, feel free to assign any task if you want to contribute!/story/200072914:24
larainemasure, I will do it later14:24
vkramskikh+ I suggest to move openstack class from index.js to a separate file - since index.js contains only reexports now14:24
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cardeoisYeah didn't think about that but good idea14:24
krotscheckcardeois +2 LGTM14:24
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krotscheckAlright, anything else Otherwise I'll end the meeting early14:25
cardeoisWell for the readme, I created that
cardeoisdid a bunch of copy paste, english is not my native language so I'd like some reviews14:25
cardeoisBut this is a WIP mostly because the doc URL is not available yet14:26
cardeoisShould I maybe remove the WIP and depend-on ?14:26
krotscheckAh, it's WIP,Looks good, actually14:26
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krotscheckThe docs job won't publish the readme, this is the docs page for npmjs.org14:27
cardeoisYeah but readme contains this link:
cardeoiswhich is 404 for now14:27
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krotscheckOh. Yes.14:28
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krotscheckYeah, maybe a depends-on would be good.14:28
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cardeoisalright will do14:28
* krotscheck makes a note to wake up at 4 tomorrow to try and debug nvoa14:28
krotscheckThanks everyone, that wraps it!14:29
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cardeoisYep bye !14:29
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SotKno storyboard meeting today, since Zara is holidaying and there isn't anything pressing for me to discuss with myself15:00
SotKwe'll return to normally scheduled meeting excitement next week15:00
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smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:00
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openstackMeeting started Wed Sep 28 16:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at
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smcginnisdulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao, mdovgal16:00
smcginnisHey everyone16:00
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jgriffithgoobily hoobily16:00
baumannHi there16:00
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smcginnis#topic Announcements16:01
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smcginnisThere was a question earlier in channel, so I'll state it here to make it official - I'd like Ocata to be mostly bugfix and stabilization.16:01
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hemnasmcginnis, +116:02
smcginnisThere are some features in flight that I consider part of that "stabilization".16:02
erlonsmcginnis: +116:02
_alastor_smcginnis: +!16:02
_alastor_smcginnis: +116:02
erlonsmcginnis: WILL IT BE OPEN TO NEW DRIVERS?16:02
smcginnisI'd love to see some of that get wrapped up and not be "in-progress" for another release.16:02
smcginniserlon: YES16:02
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e0nesmcginnis: +116:02
Swansonerlon, inside voice.16:02
DuncanTcan we explicitly add "testing" to that list, please?16:02
* erlon screaams!16:02
smcginnisDuncanT: Yeah, I think testing will be a very important part of both stabilization and bugfixing.16:03
DuncanT(I'm very slow typing at the moment due to injury, sorry)16:03
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smcginnisBut I'll try to remember to call that out explicitly from now on.16:03
smcginnisDuncanT: How's the hand?16:03
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DuncanTNot fallen off yet. Not actually working very well though16:03
smcginnisHopefully it improves.16:04
smcginnis#link Summit planning16:04
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smcginnisWith those goals in mind - we need to plan our summit sessions.16:04
smcginnisTesting will be part of it for sure.16:04
smcginnisPlease add ideas to the etherpad.16:05
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smcginnisOnce we get a little closer we can prioritize and get sessions assigned.16:05
duleksmcginnis: I guess we need a session on all the things we're considering "in-progress"?16:05
smcginnisdulek: Sure, we could.16:05
smcginnisdulek: It needs to be discussed somewhere at least. :)16:06
smcginnisOne more announcement before moving on with the agenda - I need to cut RC2.16:06
dulekAnd what are we actually considering in-progress besides A/A?16:06
smcginnisdulek: Maybe I'll start an etherpad.16:07
bswartzdulek: rolling upgrades16:07
xyang2smcginnis: you are talking about core features, right?  new drivers and driver features are still ok?16:07
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smcginnisxyang2: Yes, contained to drivers it should be OK. Just no changes to Cinder core that could destabilize things or slow down completion of things like HA A/A.16:07
scottdaCinder-Nova API changes and multi-attach are in-progress16:07
dulekbswartz: I would love to continue the work on stabilizing that in Ocata, but I don't think it should make a priority per-se.16:07
DuncanTNova-cinder api16:07
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dulekDuncanT: +1000 :)16:08
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hemnascottda, I think multi-attach is probably out for O16:08
smcginnisDuncanT: That will be a big one. I think we're close there now.16:08
hemnascottda, we need to stabilize the new api first16:08
hemnamy $0.0216:08
dulekOkay, these 3 things probably will drain enough time to fill-up Ocata.16:08
smcginnishemna: Yeah, if we can at least get the new APIs in palce, then hopefully we're in a good spot for Pike.16:08
DuncanTdulek: getting better validation and testing of rolling upgrade would be great to see16:08
dulekDuncanT: Working on it! :)16:08
smcginnisSo on the subject of me needing to cut the RC2...16:09
jungleboyjhemna: Nooooo!!!!16:09
dulekhemna, smcginnis: There will be riots, you remember? ;)16:09
jgriffithsmcginnis: hemna I do plan to have multi-attach shortly after the new api calls16:09
smcginnis#topic FFE RBD Replication16:09
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smcginnisgeguileo: You have the floor.16:09
smcginnisjgriffith: +116:09
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geguileosmcginnis: thanks16:09
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geguileoOk, so RBD replication was accepted as a FFE16:10
geguileoAnd all dependent patches have merged in master16:10
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geguileoJust the RBD driver patch remains16:10
smcginnisgeguileo: So you're probably not going to like this, but...16:10
geguileoAnd it needs some love16:10
smcginnisgeguileo: This has gotten late and that's a lot of changes to push in right before cutting a release candidate.16:10
smcginnisgeguileo: I'd actually feel better leaving that for O at this point.16:11
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e0negeguileo: I did some testing today, it works for me16:11
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e0neI'll review the code tonight16:11
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geguileosmcginnis: In my defense all those other patches are bugs we had in Cinder16:11
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geguileosmcginnis: So a backport and merge at this point is no longer an option?16:11
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smcginnisgeguileo: If folks are comfortable with it and feel the risk is low, I can probably be convinced otherwise.16:11
geguileosmcginnis: Should we vote or something?16:12
smcginnisgeguileo: But I'd want to see those go through today if we're going to do it.16:12
bswartzI can't believe it's not merged already! I thought that FFE was granted more than a week ago16:12
smcginnisWho has tested the patches in a real deployment?16:12
geguileosmcginnis: I have  ;-)16:12
smcginnisgeguileo: Well that's good! :)16:12
geguileosmcginnis: And apparently e0ne has as wel16:12
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geguileoAnybody can easily test it, I provided a script to deploy everything16:13
geguileo2 Ceph clusters properly configured16:13
e0negeguileo,smcginnis: I tested it with multinode devstack with 2 separate ceph clusters16:13
geguileoDevstack with the patches, etc16:13
smcginnise0ne: OK, great. That does help.16:13
bswartzIMO it's way too late to be merging features into Newton -- I would feel nervous about even merging a bugfix this late16:14
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hemnabswartz, +116:14
smcginnisbswartz: That's my dilemma.16:14
smcginnisIt's hopefully isolated to the driver.16:14
smcginnisBut changes should be very minimal by this point.16:14
dulekBut it's contained to a single driver and enabled by config only, right?16:15
bswartzwhen the FFE request game through, I thought it was debatable, and I assumed it would merge immedately after it was granted16:15
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geguileodulek: The remaining patch to master is16:15
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jgriffithbswartz: +116:15
hemnaI think it's too late now.16:15
geguileodulek: But for the backport it requires the other patches as well16:15
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eharneyhow likely are we to end up backporting the bugfix patches regardless of the rbd replication code?16:16
dulekgeguileo: Oh, sure, I don't find them itrusive.16:16
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e0negeguileo: so, we should allow FFE not only for RBD replication patch:(16:16
geguileodulek: If those are not intrusive the RBD part is disabled by default16:16
smcginnisString changes as well...16:16
geguileoe0ne: Yep16:17
geguileoe0ne: At least 1 of the patches already has 2 +2 and +A16:17
duleke0ne: Wait, bugfixes aren't features.16:17
geguileoe0ne: And another one 1 +216:17
patrickeastSo, my 2c, I think for pretty much every driver that implemented replication there were additional fixes needed after the fact as people started using and testing it in different scenarios16:18
e0nedulek: not critical bugfixes are not allowed for Newton at the moment16:18
smcginnisgeguileo: Sorry, I think we're going to have to push to O at this point.16:18
duleke0ne: That's a fair point.16:18
geguileosmcginnis: OK16:18
patrickeastSo imo the odds of these not breaking *something* is pretty low16:18
DuncanTsmcginnis: I'd like to withdraw my agenda item, on consideration. It's way too late.16:19
geguileopatrickeast: By that you mean breaking something out of the replication stuff or the replication having bugs?16:19
jungleboyjpatrickeast: ++16:19
smcginnisDuncanT: Was wondering about that. ;)16:19
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patrickeastgeguileo: both I suppose16:19
DuncanTsmcginnis: I've not been paying enough attention to where we were in the cycle16:19
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smcginnisgeguileo, DuncanT: Both of these I think we can get going in master. But just too late with too much risk with an RC2 imminent.16:20
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smcginnisgeguileo: I'll buy you a (free) beer in Barcelona. :)16:21
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geguileoXD XD XD16:21
smcginnisMoving on then...16:21
smcginnis#topic Getting ActiveActive/HA in the O release16:21
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scottdaSo, here's a chance to help geguileo mop up some of the tears shed for not getting RBD replication into Newton...16:22
smcginnisscottda, geguileo:16:22
dulekBuying a "free" beer is a paradox. :P16:22
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smcginnisdulek: ;)16:22
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smcginnisdulek: I'll even buy two.16:22
scottdaWe're into the 3rd? release for AA/Ha16:22
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geguileoscottda: Yup16:22
smcginnisscottda: Yep16:22
scottdaI think we've all seen the architecture, and merged a bunch of patches in N.16:22
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scottdaIF we're committed to getting this in O, let's get it in soon.16:23
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smcginnisscottda: +116:23
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scottdaThis will allow focus on testing and finding bugs.16:23
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erlonscottda: +116:23
geguileoscottda: +116:23
e0nedo we want to move feature freeze to O-1 milestone?16:23
scottdaI semi-jokingly proposed a review day and Merge Fest. But maybe that's a good idea?16:23
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bswartzWhen I look at the Ocata schedule I see 8 weeks that are not holidays between Design summit and Feature Freeze16:24
SwansonSo with no features going in can we expect every company to pull resources?16:24
duleke0ne: 0-1 is just 2 weeks after the summit. This is a bad idea IMO.16:24
scottdaWE merged about 12 patches on the last day of the mid-cycle, and really moved this along. Should we try something like that soon? Before the summit?16:24
smcginnise0ne: We'll just be restrictive about what we do allow in.16:24
e0nedulek: I had to agree with you16:24
smcginnisbswartz: Yeah, really short span on this one.16:24
geguileoscottda: +116:24
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smcginnisscottda: Sounds like a plan.16:25
jungleboyjscottda: Good idea.16:25
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scottdageguileo: Can you go over the patches in the BP and make sure they are ready to go, and status updated as to which are ready for review?16:26
smcginnisSchedule reminder for folks:
geguileoscottda: OK16:26
eharneyis there a clear mark at this point of when we will consider HA "complete"?  (i.e. after patchsets X, Y, and Z land?)16:26
smcginniseharney: Good question16:27
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geguileoscottda: I'll work on the replication to A/A patch and create unit tests for all WIP patches by next week16:27
geguileoscottda: And then update the BP16:27
geguileoscottda: So on next meeting we should be able to set a day for the merging16:27
scottdaMaybe geguileo can also indicate the "complete" point, as opposed to any "optional" stuff?16:28
bswartzeharney: how about when it's deployed in production?16:28
smcginnisgeguileo: +116:28
eharneybswartz: well i assume we will be shaking out bugs for a bit, just wondering as far as what it means to "get it in O"16:28
smcginnisgeguileo: We have other patches we can merge in the meantime, right?16:28
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smcginnisgeguileo: I mean while you're working on the replication piece.16:28
scottda#action geguileo Will update AA/HA BP and prepare for code reviews and merging16:29
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smcginnisThe idea at the midcycle was to get things merged so they could get more runtime and shake out bugs.16:29
geguileosmcginnis: Yeah, I'll update the BP and remove the -2 I have on the first patch16:29
smcginnisI think now's a good time for doing that again for O.16:29
smcginnisgeguileo: Cool, thanks!16:29
geguileosmcginnis: In the BP I'll reflect which patches are ready for merging16:29
scottdasmcginnis: geguileo I updated that BP a couple weeks ago, just to keep Merged vs. WIp stuff up to date16:29
xyang2geguileo: what your blog link on how to test AA again?  Is it in one of the etherpad?16:29
bswartzeharney: that should be determined by the stakeholders who want this feature so badly16:30
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scottdaxyang2: ^^16:30
xyang2scottda: thanks16:30
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geguileoxyang2: I have to update the post, but it's this one:
smcginnisAnd automated tests are also being worked on?16:30
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geguileoscottda: You were faster than me  :-)16:30
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xyang2geguileo: thanks16:30
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hemnaI don't think there is enough detail on that blog page.....16:31
scottdasmcginnis: We were just discussing last hour in cinder_testing how to do automated tests...16:31
geguileohemna: I'll update it and add a little bit more including the API cleanup stuff  ;-)16:31
scottdasmcginnis: Some of it will prove tricky.16:32
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geguileoYeah, it's tricky because you can't tell if they are getting evenly distributed and if the DB is being properly cleaned up16:32
scottdaBut once code is in, we get existing Tempest testing for free. So there'll be some indication that things still work and don't get broken.16:32
geguileoBy evenly I mean round robin16:32
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winston-d_Is there a way to trigger some issues without having A/A deployment?16:33
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scottdawinston-d_: We had discussed how some type of error-injection would be good. But there's no infra for that ATM16:34
geguileowinston-d_: What do you mean? r:-??16:34
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smcginnisKilling nodes?16:35
winston-d_I mean to prove Cinder A/A works, job distribution is one thing, the other is things like DLM is working properly.16:35
geguileowinston-d_: Oh, yeah, that's the next step of what I want to manually test16:36
hemnaprobably need some rally runs for that16:36
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geguileowinston-d_: But I want to get all the cinder stuff in before focusing on the DLM part16:36
scottdaYeah, and some manual testing with sleeps would be good for checking the races. But hard to do in an automated infra-approved way.16:36
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geguileoscottda: I have some ideas on how to do that, I just have to find the time to do a PoC16:37
scottdaOK, well it looks like some of the Cleanup patches could be reviewed and merged anytime.16:38
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winston-d_I really want to see how Cinder with A/A is running differently from what it is now, e.g. using the hostname hack and rabbit to do round-robin 'A/A'.16:39
scottdaand geguileo is going to look at some of the stuff marked WIP at the moment, and clean up the BP before next week.16:39
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scottdawinston-d_: Look at geguileo 's blog for manual testing.16:39
scottdawinston-d_: It show really good details.16:40
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smcginnisAnything else on this we should cover in the meeting? Or just follow up in channel as we go?16:40
scottdaNothing more from me.16:40
geguileoI'm good16:41
smcginnisThanks guys.16:41
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smcginnisDuncanT's topic is deferred. Any other topics?16:41
smcginnisGoing once...16:41
smcginnisGoing twice...16:42
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smcginnisOK, thanks everyone!16:42
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e0nesee you next week16:42
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jlvillal#startmeeting ironic_qa17:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep 28 17:02:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at
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jlvillalSorry I'm late. I was fighting with the kettle17:02
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jlvillalTrying to get some hot water before the meeting. Failed :(17:02
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jlvillal#topic Announcements17:02
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jlvillalI don't have any announcements17:03
jlvillalAnyone else17:03
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jrollgrenade is down17:03
jrollseems relevant :)17:03
jlvillalAs always the agenda is:
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jlvillal#info Grenade job is broken. Unable to contact host issue17:04
sambettsDevstack subnet pools seems to have broken several third party CIs17:04
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sambettsincluding mine..17:04
jlvillalsambetts: I was asking Vasyl if he though it could be an issue.17:04
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jlvillalsambetts: Do you think it could be related?17:05
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jlvillalAnd how did you fix your CI?17:05
jlvillal#topic Grenade gate job broken17:06
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sambettsI havn't yet, its still broken, I'm waiting for
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sambettsif that gets accepted, otherwise I'm going to have to rework my local.conf it seems17:06
jlvillal#info There was a patch regarding subnetpools that 'might' be related to the breakage:
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jrollmight be worth someone putting up an ironic patch to disable that and see what happens17:07
jlvillal#info vsaienk0 is looking at it, thinks it might be neutron being too slow:
jlvillalI'll give it a shot after the meeting.17:07
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jlvillalAnything else regarding broken Grenade job?17:08
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jlvillal#topic Multi-node Grenade17:08
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jlvillal#info Work continuing on getting patches merged. List is at:
jlvillal#info Some patches have been merged. But still a lot left.17:09
jlvillalThat's all I have.17:09
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jlvillal#topic 3rd Party CI (krtaylor)17:10
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jlvillalI don't see krtaylor in the meeting.17:10
jlvillalsambetts: Do you have anything?17:10
rajinirIs there guidelines to recheck tests that are failing ?17:10
jlvillalrajinir: Can I get more details?17:10
jlvillalrajinir: Is this in you are writing a 3rd Party CI?17:11
rajinirrecheck patches that failed in CI.17:11
rajinirYes, the CI builds are broken because of subnet pool issue17:11
sambettsI have pinned my version of devstack in my CI before the subnet pools merged in the hopes that  I can get it working while we work out the problems with the new version17:11
jlvillalrajinir: Okay, that is unrelated to 3rd Party CI, I think.17:11
krtayloro/ hey everybody, sorry I'm late17:11
jlvillalrajinir: But basically don't do 'recheck' until the issue is determined. We are not sure what is the cause of the broken grenade gate job yet.17:12
rajinirjlvillal: The thirdparty Ci builds are broken for us17:12
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sambettsrajinir: you should have a separate recheck command for your third party CI17:12
jlvillalrajinir: Each 3rd Party CI should expose a command to only recheck their job.17:12
rajinirWe do, but going and rechecking every single build that failed for the past two days can be painful17:13
jlvillalrajinir: And that command should be stated by the 3rd Party CI in the message it posts.17:13
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rajinirProbably can write a script17:13
jlvillalsambetts: krtaylor Know the command format.17:13
krtaylorwell, technically, it is just recheck, it should trigger all systems17:13
jlvillalkrtaylor: Right we don't want to do that. That is wasteful.17:13
rajinirHave fixed it now with the upstream pending review. Builds are working now17:13
krtayloryes you do, you don't want to get in a situation where one passes another doesnt17:14
sambettsI think rajinir is asking do they need to recheck it for all the patches their CI failed on17:14
krtaylorand you just recheck until it passes17:14
jlvillalkrtaylor: What sambetts said.17:14
krtaylorhowever, that is not done generally17:14
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krtaylorsambetts, it can be either the test system that rechecks or the developer17:14
sambettsas in is it the Third party CI maintainers responsibilty to recheck all the patches17:14
sambettsor the patch owners17:15
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jlvillalrajinir: Yes you could probably right a script to figure out every patch your CI voted -1 and execute a recheck of your CI.17:15
jrollI'd say patch owner / reviewer17:15
krtaylorthere are those that believe each side is responsible, I believe it is up to the project to decide17:15
jlvillalAnyway, I will let krtaylor run this part of the meeting :)17:16
krtaylorhehheh, it seems to be running fine :)17:16
sambettsI would suggest that when a third party CI has issues, an email is sent to the ML to state that people are to expect the failures so they don't spam rechecks17:16
krtayloryes, a dev can also check
sambettsand then when the issues is resolved a second one is sent out to make people aware the issue is fixed and should recheck their own patches17:17
krtaylorit is good practice17:17
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sambettsI didn't know about that, that site is awesome!17:17
krtaylorthe goal is to get the CI dashboard hosted as an official infra service, then there are things that can be automated, such as email17:18
krtaylorthe effort stalled17:19
krtaylorthere is an infra spec somewhere...17:19
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rajinirLink is useful. Thanks17:20
krtaylorwe had proposed at one time for CI systems to update their status on the ThirdPartySystems wiki17:20
krtaylorbut it is hacky at best to show that on the index page17:20
krtaylorand no programmatic way to do it17:21
krtaylorbut I digress17:21
krtayloranything else on CI?17:21
sambettsNothing from me17:21
rajinir— me too17:22
krtaylork, I'll turn it back over to jlvillal17:22
jlvillalThanks krtaylor17:22
jlvillal#topic Open Discussion17:22
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jlvillalAnyone have anything?17:22
jlvillal<openstackgerrit> John L. Villalovos proposed openstack/ironic: Testing a revert to see if fixes Grenade
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jlvillalI'll see if that makes any difference17:23
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jlvillalIf there is nothing else...17:24
krtaylorI do, re: molten iron - is there enough interest in test systems using it to propose it as a sub-project?17:24
krtaylorrajinir, you all are using it too right?17:24
rajinirkrtaylor: In progress, yes, would be nice to add that as sub-project17:25
krtaylorthere are a couple of patches to add tests17:25
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krtaylorreviews would be nice, that will get it closer to a cookie cutter project proposal17:25
jlvillalThanks krtaylor.17:27
jlvillalAnything else?17:27
rajinirWill review, sure, thks17:27
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krtaylorI think thats them17:27
krtaylorhamzy on my team is working on that17:27
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krtaylorwell, if there is enough interest, I'll put it on the list to discuss at summit17:28
krtaylorthats it for me jlvillal17:28
jlvillalThanks everyone.17:29
jlvillalI think we are done.17:29
sambettsthanks jlvillal17:29
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bh526r#startmeeting gluon17:59
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep 28 17:59:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'gluon'17:59
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bh526rHi Paul17:59
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bh526rGood afternoon17:59
bh526rHi Kamil18:00
bh526rHi Darla18:01
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bh526r#topic Roll Call and Introduction18:01
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bh526rPlease info your names18:01
bh526r#info Bin Hu18:01
krenczewski#info Kamil Renczewski18:01
pcarver#info Paul Carver18:01
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bh526r#info Jin Li (sits beside Bin in office)18:03
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bh526r#topic Admin Update18:03
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bh526r#info Thierry has kindly assigned a session slot to Gluon project from 9:50am-10:30am on Friday Oct 2818:04
bh526r#info And 10:30am-11:00am is break time, so we can use the room until 11:00am18:04
bh526r#info After that, there are roundtables set up in another room. We can continue to finish our work in one of the roundtables18:05
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alraddarla_#info Darla Ahlert18:06
bh526r#info Robert has kindly designed visual flyer of Gluon.18:06
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bh526r#info We can use this flyer in Barcelona18:06
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bh526r#info Bin is reviewing the flyer, and will share with everyone18:06
bh526r#topic Tracking Progress of Neutron Plugin for Gluon18:07
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bh526r#info Task "Push code from Github to Gluon repo" is completed. Thanks to Tom and Ian18:08
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bh526r#info Tom has submitted initial proposal describing ML2 approach18:08
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bh526r#info This proposal was reviewed by Paul, and core team. Thank you for very good feedback.18:09
bh526r#info The proposal was agreed and merged18:09
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bh526r#info Interim Gluon Neutron ML2 Plugin Code was submitted as part of code submission.18:10
bh526r#info So this was done18:10
bh526r#info Niko submitted proposal of Database Migration from SQLLite to MySQL18:11
bh526r#info It was reviewed and merged18:11
bh526r#info Ian suggested that we'll commit this now and revise it as discussed with changes to address the two points.18:12
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bh526r#info Nikolas has volunteered and is writing the test and setting up the CI.18:12
bh526r#info Jin is working on database testing proposal18:13
bh526r#info Ian will be working on devstack installer this week based on code pushed to repo18:13
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bh526r#info Georg is on vacation for next 2.5 weeks. We will discuss port and service binding model after comes back to work18:14
bh526rAny other information and update from anyone else?18:15
pcarverI posted a review with some cleanup of the initial code18:15
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pcarvermostly fixing import order per OpenStack guidelines18:16
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pcarveralso removed an attribute on the assumption that the FIXME comment was correct, but I haven't tested Gluon with the change18:16
pcarverin fact, I haven't attempted to install and run Gluon18:16
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pcarverbut the FIXME comment included a bug URL and the bug fix was released in 2015 so hopefully the bug is fixed18:17
bh526rAre there code changes?18:17
pcarverjust the deletion of the __name__ attribute referenced in the FIXME18:17
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pcarverand a couple of whitespace fixes although I forget if those were in code or comments18:18
bh526rOk, I will let Ian and Tom know18:18
pcarverGerrit highlights non-PEP8 compliant whitespace in red so it's easiest just to get rid of it18:19
bh526rAny other update?18:19
pcarverI have a question, not an update18:20
pcarverProton generates the API code, right?18:20
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pcarverDoes it generate the API documentation or does that need to be written "manually"?18:20
bh526rYes, kind of code.18:21
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bh526rThat's been planned for, but not a priority now.18:21
bh526rWe goal now is to make the whole system work18:22
pcarverWe're going to need to publish API documentation to eventually18:22
bh526rThen add necessary doc stuff18:22
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bh526r(Ian has stolen Bin's keyboard for a moment) So Proton produces APIs on demand to the YAML files' specifications.  We could make it so that a YAML file had to come with an md/rst file for documentation of the interface, or add a utility so that Proton pulled API deocumentation details from the YAML, but note that those APIs are not Proton APIs - they're APIs that Proton generates - so it's not Proton documentation itself.18:26
bh526rProton has documentation but no APIs of its own18:27
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bh526rpcarver: while I'm here, did your patch get us full tox -e pep8 compliance?18:28
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pcarverbh526r: I didn't validate PEP8 programatically18:29
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bh526rOK.  If I get time I'll pull it and try, but we can add compliance (and enable the test) in a future patch rather than delay yours18:29
pcarverand I'm not sure the import order is PEP8, I think it's just an OpenStack hacking guideline18:29
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bh526rThose patches cause so much disruption and conflicts that it's best to get them in early18:29
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bh526rIt isn't pep8 but I think the tox default tests spot it18:30
bh526r(Ian runs away)18:30
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bh526rNow I am back. Any other update or topic to discuss?18:33
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bh526rIf no other business, let us adjourn the meeting to save everyone 25 minutes18:35
bh526r#info meeting adjourned18:35
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bh526rThank you everyone18:36
bh526rbye all18:36
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ShillaSaebi#startmeeting docteam19:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep 28 19:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at
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ShillaSaebiHello everyone19:00
ShillaSaebiroll call?19:00
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ShillaSaebiHello lbragstad19:00
ShillaSaebiHi vhoward19:01
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ShillaSaebiHi DevonBoatwright and njohnston19:01
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ShillaSaebiok looks like 5 of us are here19:01
vhoward༼ノಠل͟ಠ༽ノ ︵ ┻━┻19:01
ShillaSaebi#topic Action items from the last meeting19:02
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ShillaSaebiI cant remember any off the top of my head19:02
ShillaSaebibut let me check19:02
ShillaSaebiok confirmed, none19:02
ianychoiHelllo :)19:02
ShillaSaebihi ianychoi19:03
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ShillaSaebi#topic Specs in review #link,n,z19:03
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ShillaSaebiwe've got one #link
ShillaSaebifeel free to take a look and review19:03
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ShillaSaebi#topic Speciality teams: #link
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ShillaSaebiNo more reports for the Newton cycle!19:06
ShillaSaebiThank you to all the specialty team leads for the work you put in, much appreciated19:06
ShillaSaebifeel free to check out the link above for the latest updates19:06
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ShillaSaebido we have any specialty team leads here today?19:07
ShillaSaebiif so, please make sure to get your release notes in19:07
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ShillaSaebi#topic Vote for a doc team mascot by next week (closing at UTC 2200 Sept 30 2016)19:08
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ShillaSaebiget your votes in!19:08
ShillaSaebiGoogle form #link:
ShillaSaebiIf you haven't patched documentation in the last year and vote anyway, Anne will find you and nullify your vote hehe19:09
ShillaSaebianything more on that?19:09
* njohnston proudly wears his "I voted" sticker19:09
ShillaSaebicool me too heh19:09
ianychoiI voted :)19:10
DevonBoatwrightI voted!19:10
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ShillaSaebiwoo hoo19:10
ShillaSaebi#topic Countdown to release19:10
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ShillaSaebi7 days until release19:11
ShillaSaebi#topic Summit prep19:11
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ShillaSaebiso the session suggestions are closed19:12
ShillaSaebithank you for all of you that put in your suggestions/feedback/comments19:12
ianychoiWow.. I need to encourage translators to translate Newton deliverables after 7 days later.. thank you!19:12
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ShillaSaebianytime :)19:13
ShillaSaebitake a look at the sessions19:13
ShillaSaebiif you're in barcelona, would love to see you all19:13
ShillaSaebi#info PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 201719:13
ShillaSaebiProject Team Gathering19:14
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ShillaSaebiThe Project Teams Gathering (PTG) is a new event organized by the OpenStack Foundation. Every six months (Q1 and Q3), at the beginning of the development phase of a release cycle, project teams will meet in person to discuss priorities for the upcoming cycle, iterate quickly on solutions for complex issues, and make fast progress on critical items."19:14
ShillaSaebi" It is part of a reorganization of the event formerly known as the Design Summit, which is now split between our biannual Summit (where feedback listening, requirements gathering and cross-community discussions happen) and the PTG (where the actual development work is being organized.)"19:14
ShillaSaebijust wanted to give you all a heads up on this19:15
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ianychoiYep thanks..!19:16
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ShillaSaebi#topic Open discussion19:17
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ShillaSaebianyone have anything they would like to bring up?19:17
ShillaSaebiill give it another minute19:19
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ianychoiNothing too special for me, but if anyone wants to help from translation parts, feel free to tell me.19:20
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ianychoiI would like to have more keeping on touch with doc teams, as my role for I18n Ocata PTL19:20
ShillaSaebithat would be awesome19:21
ShillaSaebithanks for joining today19:21
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ianychoiIt's my great pleasure!19:22
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DevonBoatwrightThanks Shilla19:22
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ShillaSaebialright if nothing else we can go ahead and call it19:22
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ekhugen#startmeeting wos_mentoring20:00
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ekhugen#topic SpeedMentoring20:00
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ekhugenhi, who's here for women of openstack mentoring?20:00
ekhugenHi MeganR20:00
ekhugenI think aimeeu said she'd be late20:01
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MeganRand I think Carol is out this week20:01
ekhugenah, yes20:01
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ekhugenildikov are you here?20:02
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ekhugenwe'll give people a few more minutes20:02
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ekhugenthanks for volunteering to send the follow up surveys meganr20:03
ekhugenHi Dlynch!20:03
ekhugenwe're giving people a few minutes to gather, Carol's out this week and Aimee said she'd be late20:03
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MeganRekhugen: no problem, I need to circle back regarding the mentors with matches that fell through, so this will work in sync.20:04
ekhugencool, fyi when I send out emails I try to make sure of two things:20:05
ekhugen1. I put [openstack] [mentoring] in the subject20:05
ekhugen2. use bcc for everyone to avoid reply all storms20:05
MeganRexcellent points - who do you want bcc'd on these?20:05
ekhugenoh the whole list I put in bcc20:06
MeganRok, cool20:06
MeganRI don't think I did that last time  :)20:06
ekhugenit's not bad for small groups, but I think there are like 92 email addresses in that group20:06
ekhugenso that could get painful if someone does a reply-all :-)20:06
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ekhugenokay, I think it's just the three of us at this point20:07
ekhugenabout the only thing I have for speed mentoring is the call for mentors20:07
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ekhugenkendall really nicely sent out the general call for mentors to a couple listservs20:08
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MeganRit was great, I forwarded it two my team, and think 2 of them have signed up20:08
ekhugenbut I'm thinking we want to do a specific call for mentor for Speed Mentoring.  Ask them if they're interested in that to put it in the additional information about themselves20:09
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ekhugenMeganr I was hoping diablo_rojo would be in the meeting today, I don't have the link yet to the new spreadsheet for the new survey20:09
ekhugenbut that's great, at least we know we have two signups :-)20:10
MeganRyes, that is a good idea, Andrew Mitry has already asked me about the speed mentoring and I would like to send that out to our team attending the summit20:10
MeganRyes - and you can let me know if they cause any grief!  :)20:10
MeganRone is my boss!!20:10
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ekhugenlol I'm sure they won't :-)20:10
ildikovekhugen: hi, I'm here, sorry for being late20:10
ekhugendoes anyone else want to send out the call for mentors for speed mentoring?  I think it should go to WOS and the general listserv20:11
ekhugenhi ildikov20:11
ekhugenand then maybe we can also pass it around our companies, if we know of people who will be at barcelona20:11
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ekhugenoh hi diablo_rojo_phon20:12
diablo_rojo_phonHello :)20:12
ekhugenwe were just talking about the new mentoring survey, thanks so much for sending that out!20:13
diablo_rojo_phonNo problem :)20:13
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ekhugenis there a new google docs spreadsheet that those results are going into?20:13
diablo_rojo_phonI had some bounces for a few of the ML that I'm not apart of.20:13
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diablo_rojo_phonYes there is. I can get you that link after the meeting.20:13
ekhugenokay cool, thanks!20:13
diablo_rojo_phonIf anyone is in a ML other than WoO or Dev could they forward it out?20:14
ekhugensure, I can forward to the openstack general one20:14
ekhugenI'll also do the separate call for mentors for speed mentoring, we should also probably mention the need for mentors at upstream too20:15
ekhugenright ildikov, you're still looking for about 10 for that?20:16
ildikovekhugen: we have about 35 people registered so far according to my last info20:16
ildikovwe have 50 as a limit20:16
ildikovI'm not sure when you started to reach out to people before the earlier trainings20:16
ildikovjust to get an idea how many will finally show up20:17
ekhugenI think we actually started earlier for austin, but this is basically a month before20:17
ildikovso if we would make it up to 50 then 10 mentors/helpers would really be needed20:17
ildikovwe didn't have a that good show up rate for Austin IIRC20:18
ekhugendo mentors for upstream need to RSVP for the upstream event20:18
ildikovI don't know how we can do a better job to predict now20:18
ildikovI don't think so20:18
ildikovdid they ever had to?20:18
ekhugenI'm not sure if that was clear for austin20:18
ekhugenbut okay, I will send out a mentors needed for austin events call, and ask them to put in either (or both) speed mentoring or upstream university in the additional information field20:19
ildikovI will ask how big the room is, but it sounds odd to me20:19
ildikovekhugen: that sounds great20:20
ildikovekhugen: as I told you earlier we have current;y 19 people interested in the mentoring program too20:20
ekhugenanything else to talk about with the calls for mentors or the speed mentoring event?20:20
ekhugenyes, can you reach out to them and let them know about the new signup form, please?20:21
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ildikovyou mean that those students should sign up on the new form for the mentoring program?20:21
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ekhugenif they're interested in long term mentoring, then yes, I think they should sign up for that on the new form20:22
ildikovok, I will reach out to those people separately then20:22
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ekhugenwe probably won't match them until after the summit though20:22
ekhugenjust because we still have a backlog of other mentees to match20:23
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ildikovdo they need to mark anywhere there that they're signed up for the upstream training?20:23
ildikovekhugen: if you cannot match them before the training then we might do the registration with them there20:23
ildikovbut well, both works for me20:24
ekhugenokay, that works too, whichever is easier for you20:24
ildikovI just don't want to flood people with too many mails20:24
ekhugenif you have time at the end of the training and want to point them to the form, that might work best20:24
ildikovjust to avoid confusion, but I'll give it another tought later and let you know20:25
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ekhugenokay thanks20:25
ildikovalso we might get more attention and dedication if we do that at the end of the training20:25
ildikovekhugen: thanks!20:25
ekhugenand we would only get people who had really been through upstream training, which is good too20:25
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ekhugenI think this covers speed mentoring and upstream training, anything else for either of those topics?20:26
ildikovekhugen: yeap, that can be beneficial also20:26
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ekhugen#topic Follow up survey20:27
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ekhugendiablo_rojo_phon very nicely got the follow up survey ready
ekhugenand meganr volunteered to send it out20:27
ekhugenso I think we're set there, any questions/comments about it?20:28
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ekhugenthis meeting is going fast, nice :-)20:29
ekhugen#topic Graduation plan20:29
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ekhugenI think there was a bit of a discussion last week about this when I was out20:29
ekhugenreading the logs I thought the discussion more focused on the follow ups than on what we should make the plan20:30
ekhugendo I have that right?20:30
MeganRsorry, I was also out last week20:30
ekhugenI think we had talked about a couple prong approach to graduation20:31
ekhugen1. surveys to find out who's still meeting/if things ended prematurely20:31
ekhugen2. graduation criteria for helping mentees realize when they're ready to be on their own20:32
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ekhugen3. a time limit on mentoring in the case that the relationship doesn't reach a natural conclusion20:32
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ekhugendo people agree with those?20:32
DLynchI agree20:33
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ekhugenso I think we have #1 down20:33
ekhugenwe've talked about #2 a bit, but we haven't put anything out on the wiki page
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ekhugenso does anyone want to pull together some of the ideas of how a mentor/mentee should know when they're ready to graduate and how to end a relationship appropriately?20:34
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annegentle  ekhugen hiya20:35
ekhugenhi annegentle20:36
annegentleekhugen I'm late to the discussion, was the idea of a time limit (year or six months) brought up?20:36
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ekhugenyes, so that was the kind of third prong of our graduation approach20:36
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annegentleekhugen ah, ok, not phases but prongs basically20:37
annegentleekhugen I'm not sure a mentee ever needs to be "on their own" I guess... what's the intent, setting and meeting goals?20:38
ekhugenyes, we wanted to give some guidelines and criteria that maybe then a mentee/mentor could decide "we want the relationship to go until I get to this point"20:38
annegentleekhugen ok that makes sense20:38
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ekhugenwhich I think someone suggested maybe one point would be that a mentee feels like they could be a mentor themselves20:38
annegentleekhugen yeah we definitely want that happening! :)20:39
ekhugenbut beyond that, if it doesn't reach that point naturally, then a time limit makes sense20:39
ekhugenso I don't know if maybe DLynch, you've written up some nice docs for the surveys, do you think you could take a stab at writing up some graduation criteria?20:40
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annegentleekhugen I will write a para for the wiki20:41
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ekhugenokay, thanks annegentle20:41
DLynchI can take a look.  to be honest I'm at a lost with this one but let me think about it.  Is that ok?20:41
ekhugensure, I think if you go back in the etherpad, we've had some suggestions on this20:41
annegentleDLynch how about you read what I write, and edit as needed -- are you "watching" the wiki page?20:42
ekhugenwe've just never really gathered them up20:42
DLynchyep I'm watching :)20:42
ekhugencool, thanks Dlynch and annegentle!20:43
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ekhugenand so what do we think for a timeframe for the outer limit of a mentoring relationship?  1 year? is that too long?20:43
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aimeeuWould 6 months be more realistic?20:44
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annegentlesummit to summit is about right whether goals are technical or career related20:44
annegentlerelease to release, both about six months20:44
diablo_rojo_phonannegentle: +120:44
aimeeuor project teams gathering to PTG?20:45
MeganRI agree, summit to summit20:45
DLynchmaybe six months with the option to renew for another six?20:45
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MeganRdo we need to set a "no longer than" timeline?20:45
ekhugenokay, so do we want to adjust the program so we only put out new matches before summits or PTGs?20:45
annegentleekhugen what's your cadence currently for matching?20:45
annegentleekhugen and based on incoming requests what is pragmatic?20:46
aimeeuekhugen: I think that would be logistically easier20:46
ekhugenright now we'd been matching as new mentors came in, since we had a backlog of mentees20:46
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ekhugenbut that was more just because we were trying it out20:46
annegentleekhugen how  deep is the backlog nowadays?20:47
ekhugendoing 4 matches a year would be easier, and it would probably be good for mentees/mentors too, so they'd know when to expect to get matched20:47
ekhugenon the technical side, around 30 mentees20:47
annegentleekhugen yeah if you don't mind air quotes deadlines :)20:47
ekhugenI think we're keeping up on the career side20:47
annegentlethat seems like good cadence to me20:47
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ekhugenokay, yes, that definitely makes sense (and eliminates a bunch of guilt I feel in weeks when I don't check the spreadsheet)20:48
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annegentleekhugen all for that :)20:49
ekhugenI'll add to the wiki page when the next matching is set to take place, I'll aim for October 20, since it's right before the summit?20:49
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annegentleekhugen as a deadline, sure20:49
ekhugenanything else on graduation plans?20:50
annegentleekhugen none from me20:50
ekhugenthanks everyone that was a really productive discussion20:51
ekhugen#topic Open20:51
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ekhugenWe have 9 minutes left, any other topics?20:51
diablo_rojoDo we have stats somewhere about how many people we had signup for the batch for Austin?20:52
diablo_rojoAnd how many matches we made and stuff?20:52
ekhugenby signup for the batch for austin, you mean how many mentors/mentees signed up before the summit and how many matches we made?20:53
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diablo_rojoYes :)20:53
ekhugenI can extract that from the spreadsheet pretty easily20:53
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diablo_rojoI'd be interested to know. I'm writing an article for about it20:53
ekhugenI'll put the results in our etherpad and send you a mail when they're out there?20:53
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diablo_rojoAlso we have 24 people signed up already with this new round20:54
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ekhugenany other topics?20:56
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diablo_rojoI got nothing.20:56
diablo_rojoOh actually20:56
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diablo_rojoI asked Anne at the foundation to tweet from the OpenStack handle about the next round and she said she would in the next 48 hours or so20:57
diablo_rojoSo look for that so you can retweet :)20:57
MeganRthat's great!20:58
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diablo_rojoIs there anything else we need attention drawn to or help with from the foundation ?20:58
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ekhugenI don't think so20:59
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ekhugenspeed mentoring is on the agenda now, so thank you!20:59
diablo_rojoCoolio. Let me know if something comes up :)20:59
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ekhugenwill do thanks diablo_rojo20:59
ekhugenokay, have a good day everyone!  and thank you!20:59
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notmynameswift meeting time21:00
notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
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notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:01
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cutforthbuenos dias21:01
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notmynamewelcome, everyone21:02
notmynameagenda this week is at21:02
notmynamelet's dive in21:02
notmyname#topic swift release for newton21:02
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notmynamewe've got 2.10.0 tagged and released21:03
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notmynamethere were a couple of other things that would have been really nice to have seen land before newton, so I asked the release team to not yet make the stable branch21:03
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notmynamehowever, we're out of time for that21:03
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notmynameso right after the meeting, I'll ask the release team to go ahead and create the stable branch from the 2.10.0 tag21:04
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notmynamerather than cutting a new 2.11 or 2.10.1 release with a little more stuff in it21:04
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notmynamemake sense? any questions on that?21:04
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acolesmakes sense21:05
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notmyname#topic barcelona summit21:05
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notmynamethe summit is coming up quickly21:05
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notmynameI've created an etherpad where we can collect topic ideas21:06
notmynameplease add your topic/idea/subject as soon as possible21:06
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notmynamelike recent summits, I want to schedule these in blocks of topics21:06
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notmynameI know there's some great stuff in progress and some other ideas not fully developed yet that we'll need to cover21:07
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notmynameany questions on the summit logistics or barcelona or anything else?21:07
acolesnotmyname: would it be useful for people to list any summit presentations they have to help plan to avoid conflicts?21:08
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acoleson same etherpad?21:08
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notmynameyep. I just added a section to put that21:08
acolesi see it :)21:09
notmynamevery good idea. thanks21:09
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notmynameclayg: nadeem: here yet?21:09
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notmynameany other questions/comments about the summit before we move on to a hummingbird/golang topic?21:10
notmyname#topic update on hummingbird integration21:11
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notmynameclayg: you're up with nadeem21:11
claygwell - I mainly just wanted to broadcast a couple of updates21:11
claygnadeem: has been putting the rubber to the road so to speak and few things didn't work out quite like we "planned" back in austin21:12
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clayg1) it's probably not going to be useful practicle to try to make a feature/repconn branch and select just bits with from feature/hummingbird while that branch continues to live21:12
clayg... instead dfg/redbo/nadeem et. al. are going to try to pair down feature/hummingbird to just the bits we want - then we'll rebase feature/hummingbird as a series of merged to master and bring over everything21:13
claygunifiying dev on master - and additional experiment stuff like container servers and proxy work will happen wherever (more feature branches github w/e)21:13
clayg2) the object-server will be included as part of the merge21:14
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claygso this means basically we'll have two object-servers - which we wanted to avoid - but trying to seperate the code from the object engine knowning that we *want* to add it back in is not practile21:14
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clayganyway - so we wanted to avoid having two object servers on master - but we not going to21:15
clayginstead we're going to have *the* object server (the python one) and the hummingbird object server - which will be behind some kind of "do not use" door until we finish parity work and kill the python object server21:15
claygso... that was the "broadcast" - people can still complain - nothing has landed yet - we don't even know if *any* of it is *acctually* going to go on master21:16
notmynamewell, to be fair, we were probably going to have some small bit of overlap where we'd have both object servers. this just makes that overlap longer than initially expected21:16
claygbut for the tim being the plan of "pulling stuff out of feature/hummingbird" only includes the parts we *don't* have a clear plan to merge21:16
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notmyname+1 good plan IMO21:16
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claygstuff that we definately want to make feature complete and replace the python bits with hummingbird implementations are part of "the integration work" (i.e. object-replicator, object-server, and various minimal set of cli tools needed to support new replicator features)21:17
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claygthat's the upate21:17
notmynamedoes that make sense to everyone?21:17
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acolesyes. thanks for the update21:17
claygagain - feel free to raise concerns and ask questions complain - tell us how you would do it it different - blah blah balh21:18
claygeither now or async - i just didn't want anyone not knowing what's going down21:18
* acoles notes that he is not everyone21:18
timburkewhile we have that overlap, do we expect that operators will only ever run the python object server?21:18
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notmynametimburke: that's what I expect right now21:18
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mattoliverauI know the line where to split object server from replicator has been really difficult, so I guess it makes sense. Are we going to leave the object server out of swift-init or something?21:18
ahalepresumably not _all_ operators ? :)21:19
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claygtimburke: yes, we have to code in tree - but as far as everyone who depends on swift should care there is only the one - and there will only ever *be* one - but two pieices of code will exist21:19
notmynameahale: you're special ;-)21:19
acolestimburke: IIRC from a previous conversation the go object server would not be runnable via swift-init21:19
notmynamemattoliverau: yeah. that's the plan. that's the gate behind which it hides21:19
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ahalethx :)21:19
notmynameahale: what acoles just said21:19
notmynameahale: which AFAIK isn't how you run it anyway21:19
claygahale: yeah I mean that's acctually the main point - most of the decision to have feature/hummingbird go away is to support cloud files not having to track patches against multiple implementation branches21:20
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claygand hopefully going up until and after integration a lot of the commits on the object-server will be focused on preparing to remove the python object server21:20
torgomaticI thought the replicator was going to have its own replication-protocol socket that it listened on, so then replication wouldn't go through the object server at all; am I just making stuff up?21:20
ahalecool - sorry, i was making a kind of bad joke but its good to have the reasoning out there too21:20
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claygtorgomatic: so that part isn't so much part of the "update" - but that design is being debated21:21
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torgomaticclayg: oh, okay. I thought it was a done deal.21:21
claygtorgomatic: someone had that idea at one time - nadeem even wrote that implementation and if you check out feature/hummingbird right now you get that21:21
claygit's not great21:21
claygit also has not a lot to do with why the object-server is coming into master21:21
notmynameall that (in great detail) is in the etherpad, right?21:22
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clayg"getting rid of feature/hummingbird" instead means taking everything cloud files needs for production21:22
acolesI guess it might be good to document that we would not be intending to support the golang object server upstream until it is "officially" available?21:22
notmynamebut there still isn't a final decision on where to do the object replicator listener21:22
clayglike it doesn't really make sense to have to pacthc the object engine on maser so you can fix a bug in the object-server that's in a different branch21:22
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claygacoles: we might have the code in there but disabled with a build flag - that's TBD - the point is that fixes to the object-server will happen in the normal review process to master21:23
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acolesclayg: yep21:24
tdasilvawhat is the big work left to do in hummingbird object server to have parity with python object server? EC support?21:24
claygacoles: but yah - docs will be part of the merge - it should be clear from multiple documents what is supported expected and how to configure it / upgrade - everyhting21:24
claygif it's not crystal by the time we're trying to merge it that's a big red flag we're not doig it right21:25
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claygtdasilva: yes all the stupid mime documnt handling is the big thing - needed for ec and encryption21:25
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notmynamedid POST get in yet?21:25
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claygthere's some ec specific data layer object enngine stuff that's needed too obvs21:25
acolesoptimistic GETs I assume21:26
clayg... and POST - specifically fast-POST - i have some questions still about how the object engine will handle multipart timestamps21:26
nadeemnotmyname not yet21:26
claygacoles: that fucking api :)21:26
acolesclayg: it just got another bug fixed ! :P21:26
acolesclayg: you will learn to love it. you WILL. :)21:26
notmynametdasilva: in summary: more than a little bit ;-)21:26
clayghehe - probably21:27
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tdasilvanotmyname, clayg thanks21:27
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notmynameanything else to go over on hummingbird this week?21:27
claygok so that's the update bit - there a design bit as well - but that's mostly on the etherpad and redbo & dfg will probably tell us what to do if we just let them think about it a few more days21:27
torgomaticfor reference, if anyone's got a better thing to do than that MIME garbage, please speak up21:27
torgomaticI'll even help write the code21:28
tdasilvanotmyname: any update on the 'when can we merge' side of things?21:28
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notmynametdasilva: not yet. some of that depends on the TC election and conversations in barcelona21:28
claygtorgomatic: sorry - i wasn'tr trying to pick on anything :\21:28
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torgomaticespecially if it makes the go object server easier to write21:28
torgomaticclayg: it's deserving of being picked on :)21:28
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notmynameok, if nothing else, then let's move on21:29
torgomaticnotmyname: my sister works on government-funded research, and I used to think it was terrible that there'd be all this uncertainty around where things were going until after Congressional elections21:29
torgomatic...well, here I am21:29
timburketorgomatic: there's a reason my wife is looking into industry positions...21:30
notmyname#topic defcore updates21:30
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notmynamethe defcore (now "interop") team is updating their definitions of the differnet openstack projects21:30
notmynameas a quick overview, this is something they do a couple times a year21:31
notmynamedefcore has 2 things: capabilities (ie user-exposed features, tested via tempest) and code21:31
notmynameso the code part is easy. we point to our repo and say "that"21:31
notmynamebut the capabilities is what they're updating now21:31
notmynameso the idea is that anyone running something called "swift" has access to the same features and running the same code from upstream21:32
notmynamereally helps build the overall openstack ecosystem21:32
notmynameso, that being said, we have an opportunity to add some capabilities into the definition21:32
notmynamein order to add something, it's gotta have tests in tempest and it has to be something that was in liberty21:33
notmynamethe liberty release (or sooner)21:33
notmynamethe current swift definition is very sparse21:33
notmynamehere's what I proposed adding to the definition (stuff I've seen that has tests in tempest already)21:33
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notmynamebulk support, /info, expiring objects, staticweb, *LOs, conditional requests (if-match)21:34
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notmynametimburke has convinced me we shouldn't add "versioning" at this time21:34
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timburkenext year21:34
claygtimburke: sand baggin'21:35
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notmynamebut the others are things that have been available for a long time and shoudl reasonably be expected to be in every swift deployment21:35
tdasilvanotmyname: something is not clear, what can be added to the definition, only stuff that is in tempest already, or can we add new tests to tempest now and add that to the defcore definition?21:35
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notmynameoh, if we add stuff now, it goes into "advisory" and then after (I think) 1 year it becomes required21:35
claygi'm more sure about *LO's, and if-match and expiring objects - than bulk support, and staticweb21:35
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notmynametdasilva: yes. except we also have to fit into the bi-annual defcore/BoD approval timeframe21:36
notmynameclayg: exactly my thoughts21:36
clayg /info is not so well defined - is it really a "feature"21:36
claygdiscoverability is a feature... but we sort have a janky implementation - "here's some json; good luck"21:37
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notmynamethere's a tempest test for it. basically that it returns something instead of an error. it doesn't parse the json21:37
acolesnotmyname: is it ok to add capabilities that are optional in a deployment, like SLO?21:37
notmynameacoles: well, that's what I was getting aroudn to typign up21:37
claygacoles: I think adding them to DefCore means everyone everywhere *has* to deploy them?21:37
notmynamethere's stuff like SLO bulk and staticweb that are "optional". in that you can remove them from the pipeline21:37
claygor... "interop"21:37
notmynameclayg: to conform to (tm) yes, that's it21:38
notmynamehowever, these things are in the recommended pipeline already21:38
mugsie_If something is in interop , it has to be deployed, yes.21:38
timburkeclayg: "here's some json; good luck" -- that sounds like some other entire *services*...21:38
notmynamemugsie_: well, if it wants to conform ;-)21:38
claygyeah like if you wannt use swift because you're awesome you can put whatever middleware you want in there - you're aweomse - swift is awesome - everyhting is awesome21:38
mugsie_Well, yeah21:38
claygyou wanna call it openstack to someone branding marketing - whoa... hold the phone - not everyone is awseome where buddy21:39
notmynameclayg: yes, exactly21:39
pdardeauclayg: lol21:39
notmynameand if we add these things, we'll probably want to work on the pipeline (which is a mess anyway IMO) to make sure some of these are there always21:39
claygnotmyname: that's interesting collateratal damange :\21:40
notmynameso adding these is ultimately about trademark compliance for things that are allowed to be called "openstack object storage"21:40
acolesnotmyname: that was what I was wondering, if we need to auto insert SLO like DLO21:40
notmynameclayg: you say damage, I say "fixing" ;-)21:40
claygand we all believe that a thing called "openstack object storage" is important to client application developers - and client application developers are important to people using swift - which is tanginially related to my kids super21:41
claygso... interop is great21:41
notmynameI mean, I think the pipeline mess needs to be fixed anyway, regarless of defcore. it's too long and confusing, even for us21:41
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notmynameyay interop!21:41
claygnotmyname: well I hadn't consider that ti would mean you "can't turn it off" - more like "the path of least resistence is conforming to the interop definition"21:41
tdasilvafunny thing is that versioning is auto-inserted already..21:41
claygbut maybe i misread what you said21:41
timburketdasilva: but not necessarily enabled21:42
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tdasilvatrue true, especially for history mode21:42
notmynameclayg: nah, I was saying it's something we could do that's related and (IMO) makes things better. I'm not convinced it would be required b/c of something in defcore/interop21:42
claygtimburke: oh man - i need to add history mode checkbox to the "package-next-swift" story21:43
notmynameok, so here's the question: of the list of stuff I mentioned, anything on the list that should NOT be added into the list?21:43
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claygnotmyname: well what about not adding bulk and staticweb?21:43
claygnotmyname: i'm not sure either of those features really reached critical mass21:43
timburketdasilva: and history mode is the main reason i feel like that one ought to be revisited later -- no sense confusing people by saying "here's this thing that must be there!" and "but wait, here's this new way of using it that may or may not be available!" at the same time21:43
notmynamealso note that I'll be proposing the list of tested capabilities. it's the defcore team that will score them and then chose if they are required or not21:43
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notmynametdasilva: yeah, what timburke said. that's what convinced me21:44
claygnotmyname: can't we just do *LO, expiring objects and conditional requests for now?21:44
timburkeclayg: you get it for free, as long as we explicitly put it in the pipeline!21:44
notmynameclayg: sure. those are very non controversial21:44
tdasilvadoes *LO also include sloranges?21:44
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claygtdasilva: it should!21:44
notmynametdasilva: not yet, because of tests in tempest. it depends on what's tested21:45
acolesdidn't notmyname say a feature had to have been in liberty?21:45
tdasilvaoh right21:45
notmynamebut it's easy to add tests to an existing capability21:45
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mattoliverauwould server side copy be a thing, now that its a middleware.. or are there no copy tests in tempest21:45
claygnotmyname: like i don't mind having tests for staticweb - i'm just - I think it's a lot like stack versions21:46
notmynameclayg: if you think swift dev progress is slow, it's nothing compared to defcore. right now, this is for stuff that would first be implemented in mid 2017 and then made required in 2018. so that's why I'd push for bulk and staticweb now21:46
notmynamemattoliverau: implementation doesn't matter. the capability is tested and already there, IIRC21:46
tdasilvais 'swift policies' a feature? like the fact you can specify a header with a policy???21:47
notmynametdasilva: yeah, but not a user-facing one, so won't be in defcore21:47
notmynameoh. copy is tested. but not in the standard21:48
notmynamecurrent definition is
claygidk, they're in /info and you can create a container with different policies?21:48
timburkei should probably go write some tempest tests for history mode & slorange....21:48
notmynamebah. object-copy is right there at the top21:48
tdasilvawhat's that deprecated test?21:48
claygwe got rid of object access!?21:48
notmynamecan't do that any more ;-)21:49
claygnotmyname: nice21:49
claygthat will simplify a few things21:49
notmynameno, it was something that was related to AUTH IIRC21:49
acolespost is not there21:49
tdasilvathat's torgomatic's s4 right?21:49
claygnotmyname: i ... do not have a good feeling for what we're talking about anymore21:49
notmynameI can check21:49
claygyou said you're going to add some stuff to this thing I know nothing about21:49
claygi feel like - i should probably know more about it21:50
clayg... but even *not* knowing anything about it - i feel like I have opinions about how it should work anyway!!!21:50
clayg... so - i'm not helping21:50
tdasilvashould expiration be there?21:50
tdasilvait's user facing, in a way...21:50
notmynametdasilva: yeah, it's one I want to propose21:50
tdasilvaok, sorry21:50
notmynametdasilva: there's tempest tests for it, but I haven't looked at the test implementation21:51
tdasilvanotmyname: i was just looking at that today21:51
tdasilvait's fine21:51
notmynameso clayg doesn't like making bulk and staticweb required. any other comments on that?21:51
claygnotmyname: and now you've got timburke running off to write tempest tests :'(21:52
timburkei wonder what the difference is between objectstore-object-put and objectstore-object-upload...21:52
claygand we don't even know what's covered currently :'(21:52
notmynametdasilva: there already21:52
timburkeclayg: idk about "running"...21:52
notmynamewell, assuming the names of the capabilities are close to accurate, objectstore-temp-url-get seems to cover that21:53
claygthis is notmyname
timburkei *still* haven't done much about adding Session support to swiftclient, so...21:53
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notmynameand now did client sessions support come from?! get back intot he corral. we're going *that* way /me points21:54
acolesnotmyname: object POST has tempest tests but is not in the defcore json thing AFAICT21:54
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notmynameacoles: ack. would be a good thing to cover too21:55
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claygacoles: is there a minimum request time requirement on POST to a 2GB object?21:55
notmynameearlier today I told torgomatic "there's this thing I want to bring up in the meeting. I think it's probably a minor point, but I fear it might turn into this Big Thing"21:55
notmynameguess what? turned into the Big Thing ;-)21:55
torgomaticbikesheds expand to fill the space available ;)21:56
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notmynameok, let's wrap up this topic: I'll write up something about the defcore stuff and ping people in the -swift channel21:56
notmynamemoving on21:56
timburketorgomatic: but the internal space remains constant -- it's just all of the layers of paint ;-)21:56
acolesclayg: idk21:57
notmyname#topic stuff I wanted to spend time on but we're out of time for today21:57
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notmynameok, I had an idea of something to do in this meeting, based on some conversations with some of you21:57
notmynameI wanted to highlight 2 patches and 2 bugs to look at for this week21:57
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notmynamenot to the exclusion of other stuff, but to shine a light on the top of the top priorities21:58
notmynamefor this week, i chose and
openstackLaunchpad bug 1328735 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Object-updater gives up updating container with no success if all containers are placed at handoff" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Takashi Kajinami (kajinamit)21:58
openstackLaunchpad bug 1624088 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "EC missing durable can prevent reconstruction" [High,Confirmed]21:58
notmynameboth really need to be fixed ASAP21:58
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notmynamefor (non bugfix-related) patches, I chose21:59
notmyname -- process level concurrency for container sync21:59
notmyname -- global EC work21:59
notmynameso I want to be better about this meeting topic next week21:59
notmynameand work with everyone on chosing the bugs and patches to highlight21:59
notmynamebut this week, take a look at these22:00
notmyname...and we're at time22:00
mattoliverauI stated looking at patch 210099 last week, so I might continue looking and playing with it this week22:00
notmynamethank you all for coming. thanks for working on swift!22:00
mattoliverauwhen I have some free cycles22:00
acolesI put up a fix for bug 1624088 but its not showing on launchpad,
openstackbug 1624088 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "EC missing durable can prevent reconstruction" [High,Confirmed]
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rodrigodsmtreinish, ping... can you check my reply at ? Have a doubt there ;)22:55
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