Thursday, 2016-09-29

thinrichsHi all!00:01
thinrichsTime for Congress00:01
thinrichscourtesy ping: ekcs, masahito, ramineni, aimeeu00:02
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thinrichsAgenda for this week..00:03
thinrichs1. Newton release00:03
thinrichs2. Barcelona00:03
thinrichsAnything else?00:03
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thinrichs#topic Newton00:05
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thinrichsekcs: you've been quite busy getting Newton ready.  Want to give a report?00:05
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ekcswe’ve had quite a few late breaking bugs exposed by replicated PE testing00:06
ekcsthinrichs and I have gotten fixes merged or in review.00:06
ekcsall other newton target bugs fixes are in place as far as I can tell.00:07
thinrichsekcs: For sure it was great that you put that replicated PE test framework together!00:07
thinrichsekcs: never would have found those bugs otherwise00:07
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ekcsone exception is that ceilometer driver breaks on updating alarms.00:08
ekcsbut I haven’t heard back from anyone on ceilometer and I tihnk we just have to release that with documented known issue.00:08
thinrichsekcs: how comprehensive are those replicated PE tests at this point?  Are they covering the full API: policies/rules, datasources, drivers00:08
thinrichsekcs: agreed on ceilometer00:09
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ekcshere’s the ceilometer issue. #link
openstackLaunchpad bug 1626404 in python-ceilometerclient "client.alarms.list() errors" [Undecided,New]00:09
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thinrichsI wonder if the ceilometer folks monitor the client bugs.  You sent an email too, right?00:10
ekcsyea thanks thinrichs. Lesson learned for me is just because I’m confident with unit testing that the newly added code is good, and that the old code has been working well, doesn’t mean I should be confident that the combined result is good. new paths exercised.00:10
ekcsyea I sent email too.00:11
thinrichsekcs: I'd say that's all we can really do given the late-bugs we found.00:11
thinrichsfor ceilometer00:11
thinrichsekcs: what's the coverage like for those replicated tests?  Not lines of code but rather the parts of the API.00:12
ekcstox replicated PE tests don’t test datasources yet. others seem covered. But datasources are exercised in tempest test. need to look again at how well covered.00:12
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thinrichsThat's true—the datasources aren't as risky since they're not replicated.00:12
thinrichsSame for the drivers00:13
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thinrichsmasahito: anything you're working on for Newton?00:13
thinrichsaimeeu: anything for Newton?00:13
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masahitoI'm checking something related to dse2 control_bus.00:14
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masahitoI noticed current heatbeat packet is little wrong.00:15
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masahitobut the wrong part is not affected current behaviors.00:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1628440 in congress "HeartBeat packet has some invalid information." [Medium,New] - Assigned to Masahito Muroi (muroi-masahito)00:16
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ekcsmasahito: oh yea. I’ve been aware of that issue. probably should’ve documented it.00:17
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thinrichsmasahito: great.  If there's no user-visible problems we can demonstrate, I'd say we put that into Ocata00:17
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ekcsmasahito: when I added new information to heartbeat, I didn’t realize that pballand already had some skeleton code in place for them. So I didn’t use the existing structures.00:18
ekcslike masahito said. doesn’t affect behavior.00:18
masahitoyeah. It've be targeted to Ocata.00:18
masahitoekcs: and I think we can refactor it.00:19
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thinrichsOkay, so I'm thinking that the code we have in review right now is all we need to worry about.00:20
thinrichsSo let's all go thru and review what we can and get those merged ASAP.00:20
ekcsthinrichs: agreed.00:20
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thinrichsThen we can all do 1 more round of sanity checking that nothing is clearly broken.00:20
thinrichsAnd we'll cut the final release after that.00:20
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thinrichsHopefully Tue/Wed next week00:21
ekcsthinrichs: do we need to release another RC this week?00:22
thinrichsAny questions/comments about Newton?00:22
thinrichsekcs: I'll look, but I don't think it's a requirement.00:22
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ekcsalso, I’m thinking about calling replicated PE a beta feature for newton. not sure that implications that has. not sure if it’s worth discussing. but just thorwing it out.00:23
thinrichsMaybe we should cut rc2 once we get all this code merged00:23
thinrichsMeaning put it into the docs as 'Beta'?00:23
ekcsyea and release notes.00:23
ekcsthe idea being we have it working, but not well tested compared to the other features.00:24
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thinrichsCertainly I think a warning that it's the first release makes sense.  I don't have a strong opinion about whether we label it 'beta'00:25
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thinrichsekcs: if you're willing to write the release note and update the docs, I'd say you can decide whether to call it beta or not00:26
thinrichsAnything else?00:27
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ekcsnone from me.00:27
thinrichsOn Newton?00:27
thinrichs#topic Barcelona00:28
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thinrichsI created an etherpad for the topics for our 3 working rooms and 1 fishbowl room00:28
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thinrichsThe topics are what we came up with at the last IRC00:29
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thinrichsmasahito: one of the topics is having you give us an overview of how Congress is being used in the Doctor project00:29
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thinrichsmasahito: you were sort of volunteered to do that.  Would that actually be okay with you?00:29
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masahitoI read last meeting logs.00:30
thinrichsmasahito: Great!00:30
masahitoAnd I'm asking now *real* policy Doctor project want to use in production.00:31
masahitoI could share what they want us at the room.00:31
thinrichsThat would be great!00:31
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thinrichsI'm already excited: prod policies!00:33
thinrichsRamineni_: you here?00:33
Ramineni_Sorry ..I'm late00:33
thinrichsNo worries00:33
thinrichsI was worried you had been here all along but with a capital R and so I had left you out of stuff.00:34
thinrichsRamineni_: do you have any code you're working on for Newton?00:34
thinrichsRamineni_: any progress on picking out dinner options for Barcelona?00:34
Ramineni_Yes ..I'll send out mail today on the options .. can book that based on everyone opinion00:35
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thinrichsRamineni_: Great!  We'll all get back to you as soon as we can.  Thanks for doing that!00:37
thinrichsOne other thing for Barcelona…00:37
thinrichsHas anyone heard from external teams with feature-requests or use-cases for us?00:38
thinrichsOr ideas about teams that we want to interact with during our fishbowl session?00:38
thinrichsI've reached out to a couple of people but it'd be great if we had a few more ideas00:38
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ekcsi haven’t made progress on that.00:39
thinrichsHere's one:00:39
masahitoI didn't hear any idea.00:39
thinrichsIf anyone comes to mind, let ekcs or myself know, or reach out to them yourselves00:40
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thinrichsLast thing on the agenda for today is status updates / open discussion00:41
thinrichs#topic status and open discussion00:41
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thinrichsAnyone have status reports to give that they haven't already?  Or anything else to discuss?00:41
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thinrichsIf not, we can finish now and use this time to review code.  :)00:43
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thinrichsOkay, let's end early then.  Everyone go review some code so we can get Newton finished!00:44
thinrichsSee you all next week00:44
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masahitosee you.00:44
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mfedosinCourtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting ): ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kairat, sskripnick, nikhil, Gb2116:00
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mfedosin#startmeeting glare16:10
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 29 16:10:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:10
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glare'16:10
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mfedosinsskripnick: kzaitsev_mb dshakhray hey!16:11
* kzaitsev_mb lurking16:11
mfedosin#topic agenda16:11
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mfedosin#topic Updates16:11
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mfedosinso, we have a lot of stuff done:16:11
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mfedosinfirst of all, we're able to deploy glare on devstack with the plugin16:12
mfedosinthen we did a great work on the client16:13
mfedosinthanks dshakhray :)16:13
mfedosinand now glare has functional client and cli16:13
mfedosinthen it was first release of glare service16:14
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mfedosinand finally sskripnick did a working app catalog based on glare v116:15
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mfedosin#topic next steps16:16
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mfedosinour current plans are related to implementation of hard dependencies for artifacts16:17
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mfedosinthen we think of acls for glare artifacts16:17
mfedosinand next big thing - searchlight plugin16:18
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mfedosinGb21 started working on it16:18
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mfedosinalso we're thinking about microversions for artifact types16:19
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mfedosini.e. make all artifact type compatible16:19
mfedosinalso, if everything is fine, we will release glareclient and apply under big tent next week16:20
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mfedosinIt seems that it will take some time to consider the application16:21
mfedosinbut I hope we'll become a part of Big Tent before the summit16:21
mfedosinThese are our plans :)16:22
mfedosinokay, if there are no more questions we can finish the meeting for today16:22
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oomichi#startmeeting qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 29 17:00:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'17:00
oomichihi, who are joining today?17:01
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oomichiok, lets start17:02
oomichi#topic Next Summit17:02
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oomichiwe have 7 slots for qa project design sessions.17:02
oomichiand we are gathering some ideas for these slots on #link
oomichioops, I needed to pick up today agenda before that: #link
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oomichi(going back to the summit)17:03
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oomichinow there is not good enough ideas and it is great to put the ideas on that more :)17:04
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oomichirough ideas also are enough at this time17:04
oomichisomebody has some ideas at this time?17:05
oomichiok, lets move to the next topic.17:06
oomichi#topic Specs Reviews17:06
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oomichithere are not any changes since the previous meeting17:07
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oomichion the spec. so I feel it is fine to skip this today if no topic on us17:07
oomichi#topic Tempest17:08
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oomichiNow I am trying to define some guideline about negative tests on #link
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oomichisome good feedback is gotten already, so I will update it after this meeting17:09
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oomichiare there other items about Tempest today?17:10
DavidPurcellI have something, if that's okay17:10
oomichiDavidPurcell: Please go ahead :)17:11
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DavidPurcellThe company I work for has written a framework and suite of tests for testing RBAC policy enforcement within Tempest.17:11
DavidPurcellIf there is interest, we were hoping to begin work on pushing it out to the community.17:11
mtreinishDavidPurcell: that sounds similar to:
mtreinishDavidPurcell: do you have a link to the tool?17:12
oomichiDavidPurcell: that is interesting. Now which projects(nova, cinder, etct) are supported?17:12
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DavidPurcellCurrently I think we have tests for: Nova, Glance, Cinder, Murano, Neutron, Heat17:13
DavidPurcellI have seen the Cinnamon-Role project (the one in the review), but it seemed to be abandoned in May.17:13
oomichiDavidPurcell: cool, yeah I also want to see the implementation way with some link if possible17:13
mtreinishDavidPurcell: yeah I don't think rlossit has had time to touch it a while17:14
DavidPurcellI didn't prepare something for this meeting, but I can have something to show soon17:14
oomichiDavidPurcell: thanks :)17:15
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DavidPurcellmtreinish: Right, that is one of the reasons I was asking, I wanted to know if that project had been dropped, and if an alternative solution was open to consideration.17:15
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oomichiDavidPurcell: one question about this kind of tests: We can change policy on productions as they want, so how to verify these policies work fine on the tests?17:16
oomichiThe policy configuration files should be input on the tests?17:16
mtreinishDavidPurcell: I think there would be, there has been desire for an rbac tool like this in qa. It's mostly been a matter of someone writing one17:17
mtreinishthe blocker on cinnamon-role was it's use of unstable tempest interfaces. We were planning to add it to qa when that was fixed (by stabilizing the interfaces into tempest/lib)17:17
DavidPurcellOur current solution involves reading the apis from a yaml file we created based on the policies, and then using that to determine if the api being tested should be accessible by that role17:17
mtreinishDavidPurcell: but if your implementation works, I definitely think it's worthwhile to look at it as an alternative17:18
mtreinishit's hard to say anything concrete without having a repo to look at though17:19
oomichihumm, interesting. yeah I am looking forward to seeing it17:19
DavidPurcellAgreed, I wish I could just share it now, but internal restrictions :(17:19
DavidPurcellWould the openstack-qa chat be the best place to discuss it once I have approval to share code?17:20
oomichiDavidPurcell: no problem, that is common thing in companies17:20
oomichiDavidPurcell: yeah, that is a right channel17:20
DavidPurcellokay, thanks a lot!17:20
oomichiDavidPurcell: thanks for picking this up. are there another topic about Tempest today?17:21
oomichiall: are there another topic about Tempest today?17:21
mtreinishI wanted to talk about this patch:17:21
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oomichimtreinish: ok, please go ahead :)17:22
mtreinishit's still a wip, but I wanted to know if people had feelings on using ostestr as the underpinnings of tempest run instead of testr directly?17:22
mtreinishbecause that's what the patch is proposing17:22
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mtreinishslowrie, dpaterson: ^^^17:23
oomichimtreinish: maybe do you have some concern about this?17:23
mtreinishoomichi: well we made a decision to use testr directly when we did the initial implementation (I don't remember the reason why though)17:23
oomichimtreinish: the patch itself seems reducing the code from Tempest by using it17:23
mtreinishit does but it leverages ostestr to do a lot of work under the covers17:24
mtreinishand ostestr itself runs testr by subprocessing out17:24
mtreinishwhich I think is my bigger concern, is that we're adding another fairly complex layer in the middle17:24
lhx_oomichi, mtreinish, could you spare some minutes for review?
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mtreinishso the call path becomes tempest run -> ostestr -> testr -> CONC x -> -> unittest.run17:25
oomichimtreinish: oops, that seems very complex..17:26
mtreinishoomichi: well even if you remove ostestr it's still complex :)17:26
mtreinishI'm not opposed to doing this, but I wanted other people's thoughts on it17:26
oomichimtreinish: yeah, TBH I was surprised calls of testr at this time :)17:27
oomichimtreinish: ok, could you put some comment on ?17:27
oomichimtreinish: the above explanation is good for reviewing17:27
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oomichilhx_: sorry for late response, please go ahead17:28
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oomichilhx_: ah, that is simple patch. I will review it after this meeting.17:28
lhx_oomichi, sorry for interrupt you. thx for review17:29
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oomichilhx_: no problem, and thanks for doing that17:29
lhx_oomichi, haha, it's my job.17:30
oomichiok, are there any topic about tempest today?17:30
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oomichilhx_: :)17:30
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oomichiah, I need to bring one thing before moving17:30
oomichithe bug number of Tempest is still decreasing by triage. Thanks for helping many people17:31
mtreinishoomichi: hmm, we need to make the lines bigger in the legend. It's hard to see the colors17:31
mtreinishoomichi: how many NEW bugs does tempest have? It's good to have that in single digits17:33
oomichimtreinish: hehe, yeah, it is great to do that. but that is not my work :)17:33
mtreinishit looks like 30-40 by the graph17:33
oomichimtreinish: yeah, maybe around 30 on NEW17:33
oomichimtreinish: and the number seems increasing in this week17:34
oomichiso we need to do some triage about that17:34
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oomichimtreinish: do you have some idea for puting a digits on the graph?17:34
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oomichiand alternative way is #link
mtreinishoomichi: that get's tricky to add, and makes it difficult to read. (that's why interactive graphs are nice) I can add more Y axis tick points to try and make it clearer17:35
oomichithe patch adds long-term bug progress on bugstate17:36
oomichimtreinish: can we add Y axis on right side?17:36
mtreinishoomichi: lets pick this up after the meeting17:37
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oomichimtreinish: yeah, I agree17:37
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oomichiok, let's move on17:37
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oomichi#topic DevStack + Grenade17:38
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oomichiDo we have some items necessary to discuss them today?17:38
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mtreinishthe big thing for devstack and grenade this week is that we've branched them for newton17:39
oomichicool, we are moving to Ocata now17:39
mtreinishlooking at the newton branch though we still have some post branch stuff to do17:39
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mtreinishmostly just updating lib/tempest with the max microversions and the hard coded extension list17:40
mtreinishwe also need to do the extension list for liberty, and mitaka (that came up on the ML)17:40
mtreinishoomichi: do you think you could push patches up for all that?17:40
oomichimtreinish: ah, I missed the mail of this topic maybe, is that for Nova extension or the other projects?17:41
mtreinishit was about adding a neutron test for an extension added in mitaka17:42
mtreinishwe never hard coded the extension list on liberty or mitaka, so tests for new features fail on stable17:42
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oomichimtreinish: humm, is it ok to just put some extensions list on stable devstacks?17:44
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oomichiI will follow that after meeting anyways.17:45
oomichi#action oomichi follows
mtreinishit's a documented part of each release...17:45
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mtreinishit's part of branchless tempest's implementation17:45
mtreinishbut sure, we can follow up after the meeting17:46
oomichimtreinish: thanks. yeah it is nice to do that after meeting17:46
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oomichido we have more topics about devstack + grenade today?17:46
oomichiok, lets move on17:47
oomichi#topic openstack-health17:47
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oomichido we have discussion items about o-h ?17:48
mtreinishnothing from me this week17:48
oomichithere are some patches on the list, and it is nice to just review17:48
oomichimtreinish: thanks, ok lets move on17:49
oomichi#topic Critical Reviews17:49
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oomichiI'd like to pick #link up as a critical review. I hope a concenses is great from many reviewers17:50
oomichido we have more patches as critical or important?17:50
mtreinishnothing from me this week17:51
oomichiok, let's move on17:52
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oomichi#topic Open Discussion17:52
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oomichisomebody have some discussion items today?17:53
oomichiok, lets end this meeting17:54
oomichithanks all17:54
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rtheistime for networking-ovn meeting18:00
rtheis#startmeeting networking_ovn18:00
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rtheis#topic: Announcements18:00
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rtheishi russellb18:01
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rtheisOpen vSwitch 2.6.0 released18:01
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rtheisnetworking-ovn Newton RC2 released18:01
rtheis#link and
rtheisI think we are in good shape for newton18:02
russellbyep, thanks for staying on top of things rtheis18:02
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rtheisI don't have any other announcements18:02
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rtheis#topic: Bugs18:03
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1627810 in networking-ovn "gate-grenade-dsvm-networking-ovn-nv [Fail] Couldn't ping server " [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Richard Theis (rtheis)18:03
rtheisgrenade is broken18:03
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rtheisBabu and I have been looking at it but nothing solid to go on for a fix yet18:03
russellbi suggested to him that if after some time (a day or whatever) it still wasn't too clear how to fix it, we might just want to forget about it and wait until we can drop the l3 agent in that job18:04
russellband then worry about getting it working again18:04
rtheissounds good18:04
rtheisI'll take another look if I have time ... one more idea to try out18:05
rtheisthen maybe defer it18:05
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1621627 in networking-ovn "Create multi-node CI job for networking-ovn" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Richard Theis (rtheis)18:06
rtheisthere is also the multi-node CI job18:06
russellbhow's that going?18:06
russellbvery exciting18:06
rtheisit works18:06
rtheisbut we aren't doing the heavy lifting yet with floating IPs until l3 support merges18:07
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rtheisbut we can handle that as a change later18:07
rtheisonce goes in, will move the job to non-voting18:08
rtheisAnd final bug that I have ...18:09
rtheisno launchpad bug yet ...18:09
rtheisthe functional test is broken with ovs 2.6.018:09
rtheisand thus our gate isn't happy18:09
rtheisI've triaged it down to ovs transaction mutate support18:09
rtheisI think this may be a bug in ovs18:10
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rtheisrunning 2 commands that both mutate a column works, but ...18:11
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rtheisusing the idl to get the column data in first command return full set18:11
azbiswasrtheis: Do you have no details on this?18:11
azbiswasmore details18:11
rtheisusing the idl to get the column data in second commend returns an empty list18:11
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rtheisend result is that if n-ovn does any comparisons with the column data, it may be inaccurate since the mutate blasted it for subequent commands under the same transaction18:12
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rtheisunfortunately, there are a couple hits in n-ovn18:13
azbiswasWe can try running it with the master branch of OVS and see if that fails as well18:13
rtheisI have an idea how to fix on n-ovn side and will open a bug18:13
russellbhm, i wonder if we want to make the CI jobs for stable/newton use branch-2.6 of ovs vs master ...18:14
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rtheisazbiswas: has there been a lot of changes between master and ovs 2.6.0 just released on pypi18:14
azbiswasThat sounds like a bug in idl.18:14
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azbiswasNot in the idl part18:14
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rtheisrussellb: that's a good idea18:15
rtheisthat's all I have on this bug for now18:16
rtheisI'll finish my investigation and open a bug report with the details18:16
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rtheisany other bugs?18:17
rtheis#topic Reviews18:17
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rtheishow about reviews?18:18
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rtheiswe still have similar list of new features and unit test coverage improvements in the queue18:18
rtheisI'll try doing more reviews once the gate is fixed18:19
rtheiswas hoping to have more time now that newton rc2 is out18:19
russellbis there a gate fix in the queue?18:19
russellbi'm also interested in the status of the SNAT / Floating IP patch18:19
russellblooks like it got rebased yesterday18:19
rtheischandrav ^^^^18:20
russellbi was proposing that we should try to merge it soon since tests are passing18:20
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russellband address any cleanup or bugs we come across as follow-ups18:20
rtheissounds good to me18:20
russellbchandrav: thanks for sticking through with this one!18:21
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azbiswasThe only part remaining from implementation is the sync part18:21
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chandravrussellb: Also, there is 1 tempest test failing "tempest.scenario.test_network_v6"18:21
russellbyou have it disabled though right?18:22
chandravI'll raise 2 bugs for sync code and the tempest failure18:22
russellbfiling a bug / following up on that is OK with me18:22
chandravyes, i disabled it18:22
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rtheischandrav: once the bugs are opened, please reference them in the code todos18:23
chandravwill do18:23
rtheisanything else on reviews ?18:23
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rtheis#topic Conferences18:24
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rtheisWe have a room scheduled for OpenStack summit18:24
rtheisWorkroom setup scheduled on Wednesday from 3:05 to 3:4518:24
rtheisadd topics to etherpad
rtheisAlso there is a roundtable setup open all day Friday if needed18:25
rtheisanything else on conferences?18:26
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rtheis#topic Open Discussion18:26
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rtheisI don't have any specific topics18:27
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rtheisIf nothing, we can end early18:27
rtheisokay, back to the gate fix and reviews ...18:28
rtheisthanks everyone18:29
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dtroyer_zz#startmeeting openstackclient19:01
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stevemaroh hai19:02
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stevemaraohuanxuan: good evening/morning! :)19:02
aohuanxuangood morning :)19:02
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dtroyer_zzok, let's get going...19:03
dtroyer_zz#topic release status19:04
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dtroyer_zzstill holding 3.3.0, I guess it's going to go all the way until next week19:04
dtroyer_zzwe should consider if there is anything merged in the last week that might not want to be put into a release immediately19:04
dtroyer_zzI don't think there is anything…. anyone?19:05
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stevemarhey hey19:05
stevemarthe release ban should be lifted next week :)19:05
dtroyer_zzI think my hesitation is due to know knowing off the top of my head about all of the command formats that have been merged19:06
stevemardtroyer_zz: nothing super critical to be honest19:06
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stevemar(that comment is about anything else that needs to be included)19:06
dtroyer_zzok, cool.  I'll re-visit updating the release commit early next week19:07
dtroyer_zzwell, Monday actually.  I am travelling Tues-Thurs so time is sporatic19:07
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dtroyer_zz#topic reviews19:08
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dtroyer_zzAnyone have any specific review to discuss?19:08
stevemarthere are a bunch of volume related ones19:08
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aohuanxuan seems like the cinder team don't like it19:10
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stevemaraohuanxuan: yeah, theres that one :(19:10
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dtroyer_zzthey tend to not like any changes to the db model they created, even if it is an artificial distinction19:11
stevemari like the current proposal, aohuanxuan had a good idea for re-using the key-value arg we created19:11
stevemarinstead of doing --remote-identifier and --remote-type or whatever nonsense was there first19:12
stevemarits just 2 extra options when there are always a bunch, i don't think it'll confuse admins vs non-admins19:12
dtroyer_zzthat is a decent compromise.  frankly, the admin/not-admin distinction is low on my concern list mostly because it hasn't been a problem for us so far19:13
stevemaralso, with keystone, there is no admin vs non-admin, it's just a role ... if they *really* want admins to only use it, then make it part of cinder-manage19:13
aohuanxuanyes, I think it is ok add it as a admin-only option19:13
stevemarWe can add (Admin required) to the help if that eases their concern19:14
dtroyer_zzwe still want to keep using specific options when needed, I'd rather not get into passing through arbitrary blobs too much19:14
dtroyer_zzwe should have that in the help19:14
aohuanxuanso what about the idea of using the "key=value" format there?19:15
stevemaraohuanxuan: i like it19:16
dtroyer_zzthat is the part that I think is a good compromise19:16
stevemardtroyer_zz: theres the rename backup19:16
dtroyer_zzit should not be our first choice for things like this though19:16
aohuanxuanyeah, backup restore19:17
stevemardtroyer_zz: we spoke about it on sept 15, you made call, but i posted some comments :)19:17
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dtroyer_zzstevemar: right.   (reads last comment)  I'd like to understand why v1 and v2 have to behave differently19:18
aohuanxuanyes it is different19:18
aohuanxuanit is my question19:19
aohuanxuanlooks like they are inverse19:19
dtroyer_zzcan we make them act the same?  how much work to make v1 work like v2?19:20
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aohuanxuanwe can also add --force option for v119:20
aohuanxuannot much19:20
aohuanxuanbut if we do that19:20
aohuanxuanthen the --force should specified everytime when we specify --volume19:21
aohuanxuanbecause we have a way to create a new volume for the restoring with v1 API19:22
dtroyer_zzwe could do a set of options for 'reuse-existing' and 'only-create-new' or something like that19:22
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aohuanxuanyeah, I think reuse-existing in similar to force, right?19:23
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dtroyer_zzyes it is19:24
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aohuanxuanI mean in the v1 API, we can only use existing volume for restoring if we specify --volume19:25
dtroyer_zzin your comment, though, that is the same for v1 and v219:26
dtroyer_zzit is the two cases with —volume specified that are different, that I would like to be not different19:26
aohuanxuanbut the v1 API dosen't support create a new volume for restoring19:27
dtroyer_zzthen we create it manually then use it for the restore call19:28
dtroyer_zzwe are not limited to only the APIs that directly support the command :)19:28
aohuanxuanoh! good idea!!19:28
aohuanxuanI get it19:29
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dtroyer_zz\o/    OSc is in the business of hiding bits like that from the user19:29
aohuanxuanit looks cool19:30
aohuanxuanthen we can make v1 and v2 the same19:30
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stevemarnext up for reviews is
stevemarwhich is another problematic command :)19:31
dtroyer_zzI never wanted to implement anything containing the word 'member', especially since that concept is going away19:31
dtroyer_zzhad this all worked out with markwash a long time ago, and never got it done19:32
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dtroyer_zzshould that be image add project?19:33
stevemarthats what it is today19:33
dtroyer_zzso why change?19:33
dtroyer_zzI saw no motivation for that19:34
stevemarugh: Image members are not necessarily projects.  Glance has an option, owner_is_tenant, that controls whether images in a particular installation are owned by the project or the user.  (It's not a per-image setting, it's for the entire site.)  In such a cloud, you can't share an image with a project, you can only share with another user.19:35
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stevemarthat stinks19:36
dtroyer_zzdoes the user know the difference?  cna we discover which to use in those cases?19:36
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stevemarno idea19:36
dtroyer_zzbecause I would much rather have 'image add project' and 'image add user' as two commands than 'image add <somthing-new-not-used-anywhere-else>'19:37
dtroyer_zzcall it what it is19:37
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dtroyer_zzok, any other reviews?19:40
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aohuanxuanno, I haven't19:41
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dtroyer_zz#topic bugs19:43
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dtroyer_zzany specific bugs to talk about?19:44
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stevemarthere have been a few RFE lately19:45
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stevemaron the topic bugs, i also cleaned up some BPs that were implemented or duplicates19:45
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dtroyer_zzI saw that, thanks!19:45
stevemarthis was a weird RFE:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1628412 in python-openstackclient "Logging within the interactive shell of the openstack command" [Undecided,New]19:45
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dtroyer_zzheh, sounds like a controlled environment19:46
* dtroyer_zz has worked in those19:46
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stevemarnot sure if we can do anything specific in osc for that, might be a cliff enhancement19:47
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dtroyer_zzit would be in cmd2 most likely19:48
dhellmannit used to do that by default, actually19:48
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dhellmanncliff, that is19:48
dhellmannway way back at the beginning19:48
stevemaroye... cmd2, that's another thing on the list19:48
dhellmannit just used the logging module to do it, and it logged everything regardless of whether you were using interactive mode or not19:48
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dhellmannat least I think that was cliff, maybe I'm thinking of another project19:49
dtroyer_zzI don't recall that, but I've forgotten a lot over the years19:49
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dhellmannyeah, maybe that was something else, but we could use the same approach -- if the needed env var is set, configure logging to write to a file19:49
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dtroyer_zzit does sound reasonable and should be doable19:50
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dhellmannas well as stderr19:50
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stevemardhellmann: should i retarget the bug to cliff?19:50
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dtroyer_zzadd cliff for now maybe?19:50
dhellmannstevemar : I'm not sure. maybe? we'd probably want to use an openstack-specific variable name like OPENSTACKCLIENT_LOG_FILE or something19:51
dtroyer_zzOSc still might be involved in the plumbing19:51
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stevemardtroyer_zz: i want to close this as WONTFIX:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1623860 in python-openstackclient "'Openstack complete' command output is not clear" [Undecided,New]19:52
stevemari think the originator didn't know what the complete command was intended for19:52
stevemari doubt we want to remove it from the help19:53
dtroyer_zzI think it is totally usable for end-users, if you know what it does19:53
dtroyer_zzmaybe just a clearer explanation19:53
dhellmannthat couldn't hurt19:54
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stevemarokay, maybe some additional text here:
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stevemardon't really know what to add ... maybe just add more logging before and after?19:55
stevemarthis is also a very frustrating bug:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1621126 in python-openstackclient "cinder hardcodes the service type to "volumev2"" [Undecided,Confirmed]19:56
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dhellmannwhere do we document how you use complete to set up bash completion?19:56
dtroyer_zzthat plus an actual explanation in our doc, err, adding a doc for that19:56
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dhellmannstevemar : I mean where is the user documentation for how to insert that stuff into their shell?19:57
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stevemardhellmann: DNE :P19:57
stevemari guess we could add that to OSC docs19:57
dhellmannso that could either go in the command help, or a reference to it could go there19:57
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stevemarjust gotta add "openstack complete | sudo tee /etc/bash_completion.d/osc.bash_completion > /dev/null" to the osc docs somewhere19:58
stevemari'll tackle that one19:58
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dtroyer_zzmaybe an actual doc for the 'complete' command?19:59
stevemardtroyer_zz: oh true19:59
stevemarcurrently there isn't one20:00
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stevemarendmeeting time :(20:00
dtroyer_zznope.  we should have one for help too, especially once that gets more complicated and so on20:00
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dtroyer_zzthanks everyone!20:00
aohuanxuanthanks ^^20:00
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greghaynesianw: cinerama O/20:02
greghaynesor anyone else here for dib20:02
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openstackgreghaynes: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'20:02
greghaynes#startmeeting diskimage-builder20:02
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cineramathanks for starting the meeting20:03
greghaynesI dont really have much of anything, havent been able to work on dib much the past couple weeks20:03
greghaynesmostly trying to figure out the state of the v2 branch20:03
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greghayneslooks like ianw has a couple large ones which are merge conflicted and andreas has a couple of the block device patches20:04
cineramayeah i noticed the merge conflicts as well20:05
cineramalooks like many other things are all set to go20:05
greghaynesso yea, I think the big action item for next two weeks is get those merged20:05
greghaynes#action try to prioritize reviewing patches to the v2 branch20:06
greghaynesThe other big thing I noticed when reviewing the block device patches is it would be really nice to add some functional testing for them20:06
cineramai can rebase some stuff if folks are busy20:06
greghaynesso I think I am going to take that as part of my action item20:06
cineramai think that's a great idea20:06
greghaynescinerama: that'd be awesome20:06
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greghaynes#action greghaynes to add some functional testing for the new block device interface20:07
greghaynes#action cinerama to rebase the merge conflicted v2 patches which need it20:07
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greghaynesThe only other thing I can think of is the bug tracker - I failed at finding some time to close more bugs, I know cinerama did a ton20:08
cineramarebase party!20:08
greghaynesso hopefully folks can cull some more of the oudated launchpad bugs20:08
cineramayeah i did some around our last meeting, but i haven't revisited since then20:08
greghaynesin theory ill have time the next two weeks so I'll try and prioritize that20:09
greghaynes#action Try to continue culling old/stale launchpad bugs until we get them all cleaned up20:09
greghaynesso, any other topics / things from previous meetings you think we should hit on?20:10
greghaynesWe missed a couple meetings so I suspect we dont have much of a following here ATM :/20:10
cineramalooks like the v2 stuff is progressing, though i know ianw is on top of that more20:11
cineramawe're biweekly right?20:11
greghaynesYes to both20:11
cineramai ran the previous meeting20:11
cineramawhat else20:11
cineramareview activity has been a bit slow20:11
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greghaynesyea :( I had been pulled in to some internal stuff so my time was basically 0 for the past couple weeks, in theory thats over now though20:12
greghaynesI think the big thing is just to make sure we keep momentum on v2 at this point - otherwise well end up with a pile of unmerged code that is forever diverging from master20:12
greghaynesand the sooner we can merge it in the better20:13
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greghaynesok, well, last call if anyone wants to beg for review / help with something :)20:14
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greghaynesotherwise 15min meeting (which is awesome)20:14
greghaynespabelanger: ohai20:14
pabelangerSo, could use some eyes on and hopefully a 1.20.1 release. Found some issues with the new runtime-ssh-host-key elements20:14
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pabelangerbasically, stop using ssh-keygen -A and adds a script to do each key20:14
greghaynespabelanger: ok, I'll have a look. Is that release needed ASAP to fix things or?20:16
pabelanger2nd, is more a design question for DIBs. I want to see how I can add the ability to have disk-image-create launch ansible-playbook before the chroot is converted to an image (ansible would use the connection=chroot).  The reason for this, is we'd like to break stop using puppet inside of DIB and move to ansible external of DIB, so we don't need to create virtualenvs in the image20:16
pabelangergreghaynes: doesn't have to be ASAP, but soonish would be nice20:16
greghaynespabelanger: hrm. I dont know a lot about connectoin=chroot - does that just need a path and sufficient binaries in the path and itll handle all the chrooting aspects?20:18
greghaynestrying to figure out what kind of environment dib would need to set up for ansible to make use of20:18
pabelangergreghaynes: Right, I haven't tested yet but it would be:
pabelangersetup the path to chroot in your inventory file, and ansible_connection=chroot20:19
cineramayeah i haven't looked at the chroot stuff in ansible yet myself20:19
pabelangerso, in this case, ansible is running outside of DIB, which is something we'd like for openstack-infra20:19
pabelangerto help remove our configuration bits from test images20:20
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greghaynesSo one idea is we should make an api infront of where we call our phases (right now we just have a bash function called run_d) that allows people to plug out the dib 'runner'20:20
pabelangerI haven't started down the path of hacking yet, but wanted to bring up the topic since we talked about it recently at our infra mid-cycle20:20
greghaynesI'm basically thinking theres a larger thing here of 'users want to be able to have a custom runner'20:21
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greghaynesyea, its a neat idea - I think itd also help out a lot with the puppet use case as well if we made the interface more clear20:22
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* greghaynes will think on it20:22
greghaynesok, well I think thats it20:23
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mriedem#startmeeting nova21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:00
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mriedem#link agenda
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mriedem#topic Release News21:01
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mriedem#link Newton release schedule:
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mriedem#info newton rc2 tag patch:
* Vek waves21:01
mriedemso rc2 should be out just in time21:01
mriedem#link Draft Ocata release schedule:
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mriedem #info Specs are open for Ocata so get things re-proposed if they didn't land in Newton.21:02
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mriedemquestions about the release?21:02
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mriedem#topic bugs21:02
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mriedem#link check queue gate status
mriedemthere are 2 bugs that have been bugging us in the gate, one merged earlier today21:03
mriedemthe other is a ceph one21:03
mriedemalthough now it looks like that's dropping off for some reason21:03
mriedem#link 3rd party CI status
mriedemintel nfv ci had some issues earlier in the week with a pypi mirror, but i think that's been sorted out21:04
mriedemor at least not -1ing things21:04
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mriedemvmware has continued to have issues21:05
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mriedemand i posted a request in the mailing list to get the recheck instructions in the vmware nsx ci comment back on the patch when it fails21:05
mriedemi think that is the 3rd or 4th time i've asked for that21:05
bauzasnova nova nova hop ?21:05
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* bauzas feels alone in the dark :)21:05
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tonybmriedem: Are we getting close to asking infra to suspend the account?21:05
mriedemumm, ok?21:05
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mriedemtonyb: not yet21:06
mriedemtonyb: it's not voting21:06
tonybmriedem: is more patient than I am ;P21:06
mriedemtonyb: it's just annoying that it's not working when i want to +2 a vmware patch21:06
tonybmriedem: Yeah, I have a few in that boat aswell21:06
mriedemwe don't have any critical bugs21:07
mriedemi just did a pass through triage, there are some NFV looking bugs in there21:07
mriedemwhich are over my head to triage21:07
mriedemso looking for help from lbeliveau, sfinucan and moshele21:07
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mriedemquestions about bugs?21:07
bauzasmmm, I'm 7 min ahead... weirdo21:07
mriedem#topic Summit planning21:08
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mriedem#link Etherpad for Ocata summit topics:
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mriedemi've started to try and filter through that list21:08
mriedemand spec out a rough schedule21:08
mriedemwe have more slots than we need really i think21:08
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mriedemwill try to finalize the proposed schedule before next week's meeting for feedback21:08
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mriedem#info Cross project summit session ideas are due by 10/1:
bauzasanyway, \o21:09
mriedem^ There are proposals for (1) nova/cinder API workflow redo, (2)  discoverable API capabilities, (3) cross-service communications re:  tokens, (4) scaling review teams (among others).21:09
mriedemso one of the reason nova will probably have more slots than we need is because we might have some things covered in the wednesday xp sessions21:09
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mriedemwith overlap / follow up in the nova track21:09
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mriedemsame with neutron, i think they are going to have us over for a chat on wednesday21:09
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mriedem^ is my impersonation of someone british21:10
tonybmriedem: :)21:10
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mikalChats don't normally involve physical harm21:10
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mriedemquestions on summit planning?21:10
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cdentmikal: when was the last time your were in the uk?21:11
cdentit's all about physical harm these days21:11
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tonybmriedem: chats about football most certainly do21:11
bauzas2\o (waves super late because of lagging)21:12
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mriedemmikal: we're actually quite chummy with neutron these days21:12
mriedemit's those cinder bastards i can't stand! :P21:12
mriedem#topic Reminders21:12
mriedem#help Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty?21:12
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mriedemlooks like ^ isn't really getting anyone signed up21:12
mriedembauzas: bauzas2: yes we know you're here21:12
mriedemput the drink down21:13
mriedem#topic Stable branch status:
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mriedem #info We need to do a review push on stable/liberty and  stable/mitaka and do a release of those. There is a security bug fix in  stable/liberty and several unreleased commits in mitaka.21:13
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mriedemi've already got a patch up for a liberty 12.0.5 release21:13
mriedemthat's probably going to be the last one for liberty before EOL21:13
bauzas2mriedem: heh, I wish I would, but that's probably my IRC bouncer which drunk21:14
mriedemwe need to make a review pass through stable/mitaka,n,z21:14
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mriedemand then a release next week21:14
dansmithmriedem: I shall do some of that when we're done here21:14
mriedemtonyb scolded me for having too many unreleased commits21:14
mriedemdansmith: thanks21:14
mriedemhe was really terrible21:15
mriedemi didn't get a single piece of cake21:15
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mriedem#topic subteam highlights21:15
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mriedemalaski: cells!21:15
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alaskithere was a bug found around reschedules which was fixed yesterday21:15
alaskiand fixed in stable/newton today21:15
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alaskithe meeting this week was mostly about getting organized for specs and summit21:16
alaskiI'm going to put together an etherpad with what's left to get to multiple cells21:16
alaskiI think that's it21:16
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mriedemedleafe: jaypipes: scheduler meeting?21:16
mriedemcdent: ^21:16
edleafeJust discussed some of the work for Ocata that was just starting up21:16
edleafeAlso, how we might divide it up better21:17
edleafeWe also threw around ideas for topics to discuss at the summit21:17
edleafeI added them to the etherpad21:17
edleafethat's it21:17
mriedemwe have 2 slots penciled in for scheduler/placement21:17
mriedemand 2 slots for cellsv2 things21:18
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mriedemanyone around from the live migration meeting?21:18
mriedemtdurakov: ^?21:18
mriedemi know we talked about testing out pkoniszewski's patch to run a live-migration + grenade multinode job21:18
mriedemi've got a todo to write a d-g wip patch for that21:18
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mriedemand there was talk about some specs, like live migrate rescued instances, and that lead to a ML thread from mdbooth about canonical libvirt domain xml21:19
raj_singhmriedem: I have one for grenade LM job
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mriedem#link patch to test live migration + grenade
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mriedemok, API meeting21:20
mriedemalex_xu: ?21:20
mriedemi was at that one, we talked about some specs21:20
mriedemjohnthetubaguy is working on redoing security groups in the server create API21:21
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mriedemsdague has a spec up to start talking about discoverable capabilities from the API21:21
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mriedemwe talked a bit about the standardized diagnostics API spec and how to represent BDMs21:21
mriedemthat was mostly it21:21
mriedemoh and alex_xu has a spec up for no longer proxying image metadata, i'm +2 on that if someone wants to hit it after the meeting21:21
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mriedemlbeliveau: the sriov/pci meeting was cancelled this week right?21:22
mriedemgibi_: was there a notifications meeting this week?21:22
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mriedemok moving on21:23
mriedem#topic Stuck Reviews21:23
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mriedemthere was nothing on the agenda21:23
lbeliveauyeap, got canceled21:23
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mriedem#topic Open discussion21:23
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mriedemthere are 2 agenda iteams21:23
mriedem (dave-johnston): Blueprint for new filter. . Can this be implemented without a spec?21:23
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bauzas2there was an old proposal about the above21:24
bauzas2from belmoreira IIRC21:24
edleafeyeah, sounds familiar21:24
mriedemjaypipes: want to take a look at ^ too ?21:25
bauzas2so, process-wise, I dunno, I know we agreed with having specless BPs for that but sometimes it's nice to discuss about the filter behaviour21:25
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mriedemyeah this doesn't sound obviously trivial from just reading it21:26
mriedemi think a spec would be good21:26
bauzas2also, a new filter would require a relnote I guess21:26
mriedemwell, you can release note w/o a spec21:26
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bauzas2sure, but I think we need to clear the behaviour21:26
bauzas2ie. why we should rather do this or that21:27
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bauzas2so, I'm +1 on having a spec for that one21:27
bauzas2because it's not trivial and has a long history21:27
mriedemedleafe: feel the same?21:27
edleafeyeah, I think that's best21:28
mriedemok, i'll reply in the bp to write a spec and probably try to attend the scheduler meeting to talk about it21:28
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bauzas2ack, wfm21:28
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mriedemlast item21:28
mriedemDo we need a spec for the optional placement DB blueprint?
dansmithso, given how confused it was in the begining,21:28
dansmithI think we probably do21:29
mriedemok, that's why i had this on here21:29
mriedembecause we talked about this at the meetup but then it went all crazy i guess while i was on vacation21:29
bauzas2that's having a very important operator's impact21:29
mriedemand i didn't know the details21:29
jaypipesmriedem: I can try21:29
mriedemjaypipes: let cdent write it21:29
mriedemor roman?21:29
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mriedemok, well someone will do it, but i'd suggest those working on the code21:30
cdentI'm happy to write it, if someone tells me why we need it?21:30
mriedemanyone else have open discussion items?21:30
edleafecdent doesn't have much to do21:30
cdentoh cheers edleafe :)21:30
bauzasooooh I'm not lagging anymore here \o/21:31
mriedembecause long term we want to move placement things into the placement db i thought21:31
cdentno, why we need a spec21:31
mriedembecause of the confusion with adding that in newton21:31
mriedemi wasn't around that week though, so need someone else to fill in21:31
cdentthe confusion was over the implementation, not the need21:31
dansmithand because it's a giant backend thing21:31
cdentbut yeah, sure, I can make a spec21:31
bauzaswhat dansmith said21:32
* edleafe snickers "giant backend thing"21:32
cdentplacement's got back21:32
mriedemok anything else?21:32
dansmithedleafe: the relation of placement to "ass" is not lost on me21:32
dansmithmriedem: please no21:32
edleafedansmith: obviously21:33
mriedembtw, newton is basically released now
mriedemso \o/21:33
mriedemok, that's it, thanks all21:33
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