Thursday, 2016-10-06

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thinrichscourtesy ping: ramineni_, ekcs, masahito, aimeeu00:01
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:02
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thinrichsHi all!00:02
thinrichsAgenda for the week…00:02
thinrichs1. Newton00:02
thinrichs2. Barcelona00:02
thinrichs3. PTGs00:03
thinrichs4. status00:03
thinrichsAnything else?00:03
thinrichs#topic Newton00:04
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thinrichsIt looks like we've got Newton ready to release!00:04
thinrichsekcs did a fantastic job of fixing a number of vital last minute bugs00:04
ekcsBig big thanks to everyone for completing our biggest, most complex release in recent memory.00:05
thinrichsWe ended up spinning 3 release-candidates00:05
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thinrichsekcs: HAHT was definitely a top-to-bottom effort that took the whole team spanned over at least 2 releases.00:06
thinrichsIt's also vital for production deployments00:06
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thinrichsOne of the bugs that showed up late requires a schema change to do a proper fix00:07
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thinrichsWe should probably do that now and decide whether to backport it to Newton or not00:08
thinrichsso that (a) the next Newton release includes the proper fix and (b) it will be easier to backport bugfixes to Newton00:08
thinrichsI'd imagine that we'll end up seeing bugs that we'll want to fix in Newton, based on the nature of HAHT and how we finished it up so close to the deadline00:09
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thinrichsMaybe that's a good goal for Barcelona: get the fixes into master and Newton that we already know we need.00:10
thinrichsAnd also get all the outstanding code that's been hanging around in gerrit merged00:10
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thinrichsDoes that sound good?00:10
thinrichsAny questions/comments about Newton?00:11
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thinrichs#topic Barcelona00:11
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thinrichsWe have an etherpad where I've been putting our schedule and recording people who wanted to talk with us00:12
thinrichsI'm thinking we should reach out to some more people who might have use cases or feature requests00:12
thinrichsRight now we have 4 people who want to talk.00:13
thinrichsNeutron fwaas, Keystone quotas, NFV with Bryan and masahito00:13
thinrichsWho else should we reach out to?00:13
masahitoDo you know Monasca team has progress?00:14
masahitoWe has some talks in last 2 summit.00:15
thinrichsmasahito: that's a good suggestion.  I'll reach out to them00:15
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thinrichsI was also thinking about going down the list of congress-related talks to see if any of them want to meet up:00:16
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thinrichsIf anyone has thoughts, add them to the etherpad and ping ekcs or I00:17
thinrichsor reach out to them yourselves00:17
aimeeuFor use cases, there are a few OPNFV projects other than Doctor and Copper that may use (or want to use) Congress00:17
thinrichsaimeeu: examples?00:18
aimeeuMoon and Policy Test are 2 that come to mind, but I don't know the current state of the project00:18
thinrichsaimeeu: do you know any of the people working on those?00:18
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aimeeuI can get more info tomorrow00:19
aimeeuNo, but I can ask bryan_att00:19
thinrichsThat'd be great.  I'm happy to reach out to them, or you can of course00:20
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aimeeuI already have a meeting with him tomorrow, so I'll just add it to the agenda.00:20
thinrichsaimeeu: Thanks!00:20
thinrichsramineni_: how go the dinner plans?00:20
ramineni_thinrichs: reservation done for 27th00:21
ramineni_i got the confirmation mail00:21
thinrichsGreat!  I'm looking forward to it.  Thanks for taking care of that00:22
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thinrichsaimeeu: any word yet on whether you'll make it?00:22
aimeeuYes! My travel request has been approved!00:23
* aimeeu happy dance happy dance00:23
thinrichsIt'll be good to meet you in real life00:23
aimeeuha ha ha ha ha00:23
ekcs= )00:23
ramineni_great :)00:23
ramineni_aimeeu: Oct 27th congress team dinner.. you are free right00:24
aimeeuAs of now, yes I am and plan to join you all.00:25
ramineni_aimeeu: great00:25
aimeeuLooking forward to meeting you all in person too.00:25
thinrichsI'm so excited about the trip that I've started listening to beginner spanish podcasts to prep!00:26
thinrichsShould be fun00:26
thinrichsAnything else on Barcelona?00:26
ekcsAll I know is “no hablo espanol”00:26
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thinrichs#topic PTGs00:28
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thinrichsekcs sent out an email just a bit ago about the split of the summit into a working session and the community forum00:29
thinrichsI'll let everyone read that email and the follow up that ekcs sent00:30
thinrichswhich is here00:30
thinrichsObviously we'll all need to think about this and figure out what travel budgets look like,00:31
thinrichsbut it's maybe worth having people at least ask questions and make comments now00:31
aimeeuI think the average developer will be sent to the PTGs rather than the Summits00:32
thinrichsSo of the 4 options ekcs laid out, you're thinking (1)00:32
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thinrichsAnyone else have thoughts?00:34
thinrichsmasahito: you've had talks accepted at the last few summits.  Do you know what your plans are?00:34
masahitoAs a Congress team member, I'm in favor of (1)00:35
thinrichsmasahito: If you get a presentation accepted at the summit, do you expect you'll be able to travel to both the summit and to the PTG?00:36
thinrichsOK.  Any other thoughts?00:37
ekcsI also think (1) makes sense, but the problem is people who are going to go to summit may not be able to make the PTG.00:38
aimeeuI wonder if the OpenStack Foundation is going to offer travel support to attend the PTG00:38
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ekcstravelling 4 times a year is pretty big hit to both budget and productivity.00:38
thinrichsekcs: +1, +100:38
aimeeubut with no design sessions at the Summit, how many developers will go? Other than PTLs and Cores?00:39
clarkbaimeeu: yes aiui the plan is to offer travel support for the ptg00:39
clarkbthat came up in the infra meeting too and ttx confirmed00:39
aimeeuclarkb: thanks!  I know the company I work for isn't going to send people to both, and the developers I've talked to would rather attend the PTG00:40
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thinrichsclarkb: any more details on that?  They can't offer it to everyone.  Do they maybe offer it to people who had talks accepted at the summit?00:41
clarkbthinrichs: you'd have to ask ttx00:41
thinrichsclarkb: ok00:42
aimeeuhere's another that may be of interest:  #link
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thinrichsTravel support is great, but we shouldn't make a decision on PTGs assuming people will get travel support.00:45
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thinrichsOption (1) seems good to me too00:45
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thinrichsWe still have 10 days to make a decision for the first PTG.  But it seems pretty clear what most people are thinking.00:46
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ekcsyea we can maybe finalize at next meeting.00:47
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thinrichsekcs: sounds good00:47
thinrichs#topic Status00:47
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thinrichsAnyone have status updates to give?  Things that we should discuss as a group?00:47
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ekcsThis week I'm just going to work on post-newton bug fixes, including proper fixes we couldn't do.00:48
ekcsAlso documenting lessons learned during Newton release. Will share if helpful. I'd also love to any feedback from you all.00:48
thinrichsA postmortem would be good.  This release didn't go quite as smoothly as normal.00:49
thinrichsBut I think that was more just a timing issue—that we finished a large, complex feature close to the deadline00:49
thinrichsOnly thing I can really think of to do differently is prioritize tests for those core features higher.00:50
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thinrichsAnother topic.  Now that Newton is out the door, ekcs will be taking over the PTL duties.00:53
thinrichsObviously I'll help make that transition a smooth one.00:53
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thinrichsI'm excited to see him take the reigns!00:54
ekcsI’ll need plenty of help and support from everyone. thanks = p00:55
ekcsand grace.00:55
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thinrichsekcs: It'll be fun.  You'll be great!  We'll all help however you need.00:55
thinrichsLet's make that the end of the meeting.00:56
thinrichsThanks all!  See you next week!00:56
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aimeeuThanks everyone00:56
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* njohnston looks forward to meeting you all in Barcelona00:57
thinrichsnjohnston: we're looking forward to it too!00:57
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thinrichsnjohnston: were you watching the meeting the whole time?00:57
njohnstonYes, auditing the course :-)00:57
ekcshaha hi njohnston00:58
thinrichsnjohnston: if I knew I would have had you intro yourself.  We can do that next week if you're around or wait til Barcelona00:58
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masahitohello njohnston00:58
njohnstonThanks all for the warm welcome00:59
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aimeeunjohnston: greetings!00:59
thinrichsOut of time for this week, but we will hear a bit from njohnston next week hopefully00:59
njohnstonI'll be here01:00
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ianychoi#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting07:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct  6 07:00:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at
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ianychoiHello, anybody here for i18n meeting?07:01
zzxwillHi Ian.07:01
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ianychoizzxwill, eumel8 Hihi !! :)07:01
eumel8hi ho :)07:01
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ianychoizzxwill, you are from China, right? (I am not sure.. sorry^^)07:02
ianychoiadiantum, oh long time no see :)07:02
zzxwillYes, I am Will, the Chinese coordinator, led by Daisy.07:02
adiantumianychoi yep :-)07:02
ianychoiOhay I see :)07:03
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ianychoiyep :) okay, let's start07:03
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ianychoiI will mainly follow topics listed in the link first and then we can say anything on open discussion07:04
ianychoi#topic Newton translation result summary07:04
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ianychoiIMO it is diffucult currently to see statistics on Zanata..07:04
ianychoibut Stackalytics is good :)07:04
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ianychoiThis is all the statistics during Newton development cycle07:05
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ianychoiThis is horizon translations during Newton cycle07:05
zzxwillIndonesian grows fast!07:05
ianychoizzxwill, I agree :) Suhartono is translating a lot!07:06
ianychoiI think because of documention translation, overally Japanese is the top 1 for Newton cycle07:06
ianychoiAnd for Horizon, China is the 2nd. zzxwill congrats!07:07
zzxwillThanks ianychoi.07:07
ianychoieumel8, thank you for German translation on Horizon (6th)07:07
adiantumzzxwill, +1 congrats =)07:07
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ianychoiAlso adiantum, thank you for kind contribution during Newton cycle :)07:08
eumel8yeah, 100% done ;)07:08
zzxwillThank you adiantum. Thanks to Daisy:)07:08
adiantumianychoi, thank you07:08
ianychoithank you all for kind translations07:09
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eumel8your welcome :)07:09
ianychoiAnd one note:07:09
zzxwillemuel8, great job.07:09
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ianychoiSince I18n is an official team, currently, we encourage translators to be registered as extra ATCs.07:10
ianychoiBut if translators uploads commits into openstack/i18n repo, and they will be automatically regarded as ATCs.07:10
ianychoiSo please patch anything (not only i18n doc but also glossary) into openstack/i18n repo :)07:11
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ianychoiAnything for Newton activities to say?07:11
ianychoianything else..07:11
eumel8whats the next plan?07:11
eumel8translation plan I mean07:12
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ianychoiYep good question :) we need to define Ocata plan for translations :)07:12
ianychoiIMO doc translation would be the first but....07:12
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ianychoiI want to make one more Horizon translation term before software freeze...07:13
eumel8mhmm, I'm still in the doc translation, ok07:13
ianychoibecause the period between soft freeze and hard freeze is too short..07:13
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ianychoiFor translations, that's all for current thinking...07:14
zzxwillHi ianychoi, sorry, I didn't get 'one more Horizon translation term'.07:14
ianychoiand I need to think more on other things (e.g., translation check site, Zanata upgrade, improving Stackalytics, ..)07:14
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ianychoizzxwill, Aha what I mean is that as you see,07:14
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zzxwillGot it. Thanks.07:15
ianychoiAnything else?07:15
ianychoizzxwill, aha and I think.. we need to talk more about Chinese landing page later (e.g., open discussion?)07:16
ianychoiThen, I will move to the next topic07:16
ianychoi#topic Planning I18n contributor's meetup on Ocata Design Summit07:16
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ianychoiI will discuss translation change on Hard string freeze as 3rd :)07:17
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ianychoiI have just made it but I need to improve what we need to discuss..07:18
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ianychoiPlease FYI for two previous minutes07:18
ianychoiI will go to Barcelona but only stay on Friday afternoon...07:19
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ianychoiIt may be just one day flight T.T07:19
eumel8as I already mentioned I'm not able to join personaly on Friday to the meetup07:19
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ianychoieumel8, it's a pity but fine :)07:19
eumel8one day flight, really?07:19
ianychoiYep... really...!07:20
ianychoiI did not think that I would be Ocata I18n PTL.. actually07:20
eumel8why not?07:20
ianychoiSince this year, I have lots of business things in Korea..07:20
ianychoiI cannot make better plans T.T07:20
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eumel8I think like everyone is busy07:21
ianychoiAccording to my scheduled flight, I will ariive at Barcelona around 10am07:21
zzxwillYou have been doing a great job, ianychoi.07:21
ianychoiThen.. I think I will be able to arrive at Summit place before 2pm07:21
ianychoiBut that's fine. Personally I visited Spain 2 years ago, at that time I just stayed in Madrid07:22
zzxwillThen we can meet and have a discussion, it's my first time to attend an OpenStack summit.07:22
ianychoiSo for me it will be so nice to see beautiful Barcelona :)07:22
ianychoizzxwill, wow you will come to Barcelona?07:22
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eumel8are people invited from doc team or zanata?07:22
eumel8maybe would make sense...07:23
ianychoieumel8, I asked to Lana (Doc team PTL) and she said she will be there and try to get I18n meetup (since there is also doc team meeting at the same time)07:23
zzxwillYes, OpenStack committee supports my flight.07:23
ianychoieumel8, and unfortunately Alex will be unable to attend...07:23
ianychoiSo... I want to have a Skype meeting during 4-5pm.. with Alex07:24
adiantumianychoi, and will Carlos be unable too?07:24
ianychoiand other guys who want discuss with all members07:24
eumel8maybe organize a parallel irc session07:24
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ianychoiadiantum, I did not ask this but I think.. He will be also unable to come..07:24
ianychoieumel8, good idea :)07:25
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ianychoiadiantum, will you come to Barcelona?07:25
eumel8than I could join when I be in the other meeting at the same time07:25
ianychoiAnd I have not asked to Infra team yet but I will ask them :)07:26
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adiantumianychoi, not sure currently, will be sure next week07:26
ianychoieumel8, aha.. skype or hangout will be diffucult but irc is okay, am I understanding right?07:26
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ianychoiadiantum, I see hope to see again at Barcelona :)07:26
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adiantumianychoi, i hope too =)07:26
ianychoiYep nice..!07:27
zzxwillMe too.07:27
eumel8infra team will be there - Andreas ... pleia, of course07:27
ianychoiSo I want to prepare a survey: 3-4pm will be better or 4-5 will be better for offline+virtual (irc&skype,...) I18n meetup07:27
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ianychoieumel8, I have not asked but yep I think so and also hope so :)07:28
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ianychoiCurrently that's all from me.07:29
ianychoiAnything else? (e.g., relevant topics on I18n contributor meetup?)07:29
eumel8please send the etherpad link on the mailing-list07:30
ianychoieumel8, yep I will!07:30
ianychoi#action ianychoi will share to i18n mailing list07:30
zzxwillianychoi, topic: How to encourage local translators and how to cultivate the localization culture. (I am a new coordinator.)07:31
zzxwillI wanna to learn from all of you:)07:31
ianychoi#action ianychoi will open a survey for virtual meeting time during I18n coutributor meetup (3-4pm vs 4-5pm)07:31
ianychoizzxwill, good question.. actually :) This is also what I think and think...07:32
ianychoiCan I move your topic to open discussion?07:32
zzxwillYes, please.07:32
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ianychoi#action zzxwill eumel8 adiantum will think I18n contributor meetup topics and add to Etherpad if having a good idea:)07:32
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ianychoiI added actions :)07:32
ianychoi#info eumel8 will be able to attend I18n contributor meeting through IRC07:33
ianychoi#info ianychoi zzxwill will be able to attend I18n contributor meeting07:33
eumel8zzxwill: daisy has some slides for the chinese user group. Maybe you can ask her about it07:33
ianychoiOk... I think that will be sufficient to share as meeting minutes :)07:34
ianychoieumel8, oh it may be yes I've heard it07:34
zzxwillYes, emuel8, she trained us which is really useful for local translators:)07:34
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ianychoiOkay.. then move on the next topic?07:35
zzxwillyes please.07:35
ianychoi#topic Translation change criteria on Hard String freeze period07:35
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ianychoiall, could you read the link?07:36
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ianychoiOh it was already almost 2 weeks ago..07:36
ianychoi#info Me and amotoki discussed criteria on Hard String freeze period on Sep 23 UTC07:36
eumel8whats your proposal?07:37
ianychoiWe need to discuss and define such criteria and send to Horizon team for better translation period with qualified reviews07:38
ianychoiActually not yet07:38
ianychoiI want to listen to this topic and idea from all I18n members07:38
ianychoieumel8, aha I mentioned at that time: no change >5% in a project07:39
ianychoiBut I am not still sure.. how we can define this: similarity? limiting to # of commits?07:40
ianychoiFeel free to tell your thinkgs.. :)07:40
eumel8I think we need at first an accurate timeline, like: starting from 2016/09/24 00:00:00 until 2016/10/01 23:59:59 UTC07:41
eumel8and this should be also clear announced07:41
adiantumeumel8 +107:41
ianychoieumel8, adiantum okay I will do for Ocata cycle :)07:42
eumel8thx :)07:42
adiantumallowed changes criteria in discussion  looks good07:43
eumel8what that mean: no change >5% in a project? from the origin?07:43
ianychoi#info Around Jan 27 to Feb 03 is the timeline between Soft freeze and Hard freeze for Ocata cycle07:43
eumel8and per file or project?07:44
ianychoieumel8, yep I thought <=5% on PO files when created at soft freeze start time07:44
ianychoieumel8, I did not think much details.. file or project.. but IMO per PO file would be easily calculated..07:45
eumel8mhmm, depends on the file length :-)07:45
eumel8sometimes 5% is very much07:45
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ianychoiDefining criteria is difficult thing I think but our feedback to Horizon team will make better communication for better translation I think07:46
ianychoieumel8, oh good point :)07:46
eumel8and in small files you can't change anything07:46
ianychoiHmm.. I think we need to have more time.. agreed eumel807:47
ianychoiPlease think about this, and I will open this topic again on next IRC meeting, and also Barcelona meetup if needed07:47
ianychoieumel8, adiantum, zzxwill thank you :)07:48
ianychoi#topic Open discussions07:48
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ianychoiYey~ anything is "open" :)07:48
ianychoizzxwill, in Korea, actually ujuc, Korean i18n coordinator created a Slack channel07:49
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zzxwillSlack is a cool IM tool, while it's not stable in mainland China.07:49
ianychoizzxwill, hmm... Slack connection is unstable in China?07:50
ianychoizzxwill, could you see the link: ?07:50
zzxwillYes, for some reason you might know:(07:50
zzxwillYes I can.07:51
ianychoiYe Lu's reply was that Chinese people rarely use ask.o.oand there're already better methods for getting help in the Chinese user group.07:51
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ianychoiI want to know that better methods in Chinese user group has :)07:51
ianychoiAnd maybe zzxwill also wants to know those better methods? :)07:51
zzxwillWe use WeChat (China WhatsApp)07:51
adiantumin Russia we tryed IRC and eventually decided to move to Telegram07:52
ianychoiActually my perspective is a little bit different from the article.. For local communication, there may be lots of different environmental, and cultural differences07:52
ianychoiI respect those variety07:53
eumel8We have the mailling-list i18n-de and it's worked out for us.07:53
ianychoiBut... since we are in official I18n team, it is much better if we encourage more people to use standard OpenStack communications e.g., IRC07:53
ianychoieumel8, yep also mailing lists07:53
ianychoiHowever, sometimes the reality is different...07:54
ianychoiadiantum, yep I have used Telegram :) However I am not using now... T.T07:54
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ianychoiQuestion zzxwill and adiantum : Wechat and Telegram are also open to foreign people?07:55
adiantumianychoi, Telegramm currently is very popular in Russia, but may be not so popular in Korea =)07:55
zzxwillNow I learnt some tools for local user group. Thanks.07:55
adiantumianychoi, Telegram definitely open07:55
ianychoiadiantum, Telegram is still popular but in Korea there is more popular communication methods (e.g., KakaoTalk, Line, ...)07:55
zzxwillYes WeChat is. It's the most widely used tool for Chinese users and foreigners.07:55
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zzxwillLine is also popular in China.07:56
ianychoizzxwill, wow I did not know such thing :)07:56
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ianychoiOops.. so... now it is difficult to conclude good ideas to encourage translators..07:56
zzxwillIt's the most widely used tool for Chinese users and [some] foreigners [living in China]07:57
ianychoizzxwill, but I think more communication is one of ways to encourage translations :)07:57
eumel8maybe something to share on a wiki page...07:57
ianychoieumel8, yep That's why I updated a lot on
ianychoiand also
eumel8I saw it, thx!07:58
ianychoiNew registration was blocked for a few months so almost nobody updated..07:58
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ianychoibut Let's try to facilitate wiki pages :)07:58
ianychoiSorry I need to go ...07:58
ianychoiCan I close now?07:58
zzxwillThank you.07:59
ianychoieumel8, I will reply your translate check site later :)07:59
ianychoiThank you all!07:59
eumel8ok, thx ianychoi07:59
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masayukigWho's here for today?09:01
masayukigor should I skip this meeting?09:02
masayukigping dmellado , jordanP ?09:03
jordanPI am here :)09:04
dmelladomasayukig: got caught 'interoping' xD09:04
dmelladobut I'm here09:04
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masayukigdmellado : heh, hi :)09:05
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masayukigok, so, let's get started09:05
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masayukigToday's agenda ^^09:06
masayukigso, first topic is09:06
masayukig#topic Newton Priorities09:06
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masayukigBut I don't think we need to track one by one.09:06
masayukigDoes anyone have something to say?09:07
dmelladoI don't think so either09:07
dmelladothere are a few missing unit tests for service clients only09:07
dmelladoand a few service clients to migrate, maybe 1 or 209:07
dmelladobut that part should be about done09:07
dmelladoanything from os-health, masayukig ?09:08
masayukigdmellado : thanks, actually no about o-h thing, But I saw some patches landed.09:08
masayukigI actually have one, is for "The last piece: Use 'tempest init' and 'tempest run' on the gate"09:09
masayukigI'm now tackling with this. This is still SUPER WIP, but baby steps.09:09
* andreaf o/09:09
masayukighi andreaf !09:10
dmelladoandreaf: hey ;)09:10
dmelladowelcome back09:10
andreafhi - thanks09:10
masayukigandreaf : any update from you about ?09:10
andreafmasayukig: no - I'm just back from holidays - so work done in the past two+ weeks09:11
masayukigandreaf : ah, cool, I see :)09:11
masayukiganything else, guys?09:12
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dmelladoI guess that's it09:13
masayukignext topic09:13
jordanPI think I'll give Cleanup client and manager aliases (the manager aliases) a shot soon09:13
masayukigjordanP : oh, nice :)09:13
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masayukig#topic Next Summit09:15
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masayukigso, we have some QA slots: 3fb 4wr09:15
masayukigBut I think the proposed topic is still not enough:
dmelladomasayukig: andreaf09:16
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dmelladoI'd like to propose a topic about how to handle plug-ins09:16
dmelladobut maybe that'd be related to mtreinish's TC proposal09:16
dmelladoand andreaf work on Manila09:16
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dmelladoI'm aware that we do treat them as some kind of 'third party'09:17
masayukigdmellado : yeah, but please feel free to add your thoughts09:17
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dmelladobut I've spending a ton of time cleaning up them, and was wondering if having a discussion on how to proceed with them09:17
dmelladoeither the forceful repo09:17
dmelladoor another options09:17
dmelladowould be great09:17
dmelladobtw /me got added to discuss that for manila too09:18
dmelladoso I think that spending a session for that could be good09:18
dmelladowdyt guys?09:18
masayukigmanila? what kind of thing?09:18
dmelladomasayukig: on the dev session from manila they asked me to join for a topic on how to stop pinning tempest09:19
dmelladoand properly handle the plugin09:19
dmelladoso instead of doing also that, maybe we could put up a session on the plugins and have folks from other projects come09:19
masayukighmm, we should add more docs or should have a hands-on session or something?09:20
jordanPas far as I know they have a problem with authentication of tenant-isolation09:20
dmelladommm masayukig jordanP maybe both09:21
dmelladojordanP: also, there were quite a few of tempest imports09:21
dmelladothere's a blueprint for that09:21
dmelladomkoderer___: put up a patch and we were discussing that at the mid-cycle09:21
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dmelladobut if there are available slots and not too many topics, I think it'd be worthwhile09:22
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dmelladoandreaf: you were also working on manila to avoid pinning, weren't you?09:22
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jordanPanyway there's not a lot we can do, they should step up and learn how to use the framework/plugins09:22
jordanPthere's always a bit of a learning curve09:23
andreafdmellado: I was working on the manila plugin to use the latest stable interface (clients) - which requires using a more recent version of tempest09:23
andreafideally no pinning09:23
andreafif all unstable interfaces are dropped so can pinning, but there's more used by manila right now09:23
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dmelladojordanP: yep, for instance I've been seeing (and putting patches)09:25
dmelladoagainst wrong usage of service_available CFG09:25
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dmelladoin quite a bit of projects09:25
masayukigIt might be good to have a slot for it. But anyways, I think it's good to add your ideas on the etherpad. We will be able to discuss them later.09:26
dmelladomasayukig: will do09:26
dmelladolet's discuss it there and with a broader audience ,)09:26
masayukigdmellado : cool, thanks :)09:26
dmelladoso please continue09:26
masayukiganything else on the next summit topic?09:27
masayukig#topic Specs Reviews09:27
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masayukigwe have some patches on the gerrit09:27
masayukigI actually leave them these days...09:28
masayukigandreaf : you have some patches, do you want to bring something?09:29
andreafmasayukig: nothing from my side right now09:30
masayukigI'll review them, anyways09:30
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masayukigso, next topic is09:31
masayukig#topic Tempest09:31
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masayukigdo you have anything to bring up?09:31
masayukigso, if nothing, I have one :)09:33
dmelladogo for it ;)09:33
masayukigthe patch was approved09:33
masayukig'Add "daily" option to'09:33
masayukigThis makes daily bug triage counts in JSON for a half year09:34
* dmellado needs to go for a doctor checkup, will follow-up later with you guys09:34
masayukiglike oomichi's graph09:34
masayukigdmellado : oh, take care :)09:35
dmelladomasayukig: I'll look for the link on the spec later and will review it09:35
dmelladosee you later guys09:35
jordanPI have a couple of reviews to drop sahara tests, negative auto tests and stress tests. I'd like them to be merged right after we tag tempest 13. that would be great :)09:35
dmelladojordanP: just before I go, did you sync with tosky on the sahara drop?09:35
dmelladoI kinda recall that yes09:35
dmelladobut just in case09:35
jordanPyeah he +1 the patch09:36
masayukigjordanP : wow, nice09:36
dmelladoack then, thanks!09:36
dmelladowhen do we plan to tag 13, btw?09:36
dmelladothis week? next?09:36
masayukigI have no idea, oomichi or mtreinish knows it?09:37
* dmellado will read up later, going ;)09:37
* masayukig waves09:37
masayukigso, anything else on Tempest?09:37
masayukigif not, next topic is09:37
masayukig#topic DevStack + Grenade09:38
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fricklerhi, sorry for stumbling in late, but I'd like to draw some attention to09:38
openstackLaunchpad bug 1629133 in devstack "New neutron subnet pool support breaks multinode testing." [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Angel Ajo (mangelajo)09:38
masayukigfrickler : hi :)09:38
fricklerthis is being pushed around for a week now09:38
fricklerand seems to still be a cause for a lot of gate jobs failing09:39
masayukigfrickler : hrm, it's too bad, but it seems Miguel are doing for it?09:41
masayukigI actually don't know the bug details, though..09:42
frickler has -W, maybe it would help if some QA core could join the effort09:42
masayukigfrickler : ok, I'm actually not a devstack core but a tempest. But I hope oomichi , mtreinish , sc68cal , or some other guys probably help it.09:44
fricklermasayukig: k, lets hope they take a look at the log later09:44
masayukiganything else?09:45
masayukig(15 mins)09:45
masayukigif not, the next topic is09:45
masayukig#topic openstack-health09:45
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masayukigBut I already told about this before. I have nothing more.09:46
masayukigok, move forward09:46
masayukig#topic Critical Reviews09:46
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jordanPas a general note, I've seen a couple of migration tests trying to be added lately. Be sure that they are run somewwhere, in some jobs.09:46
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masayukigjordanP : thanks, you added it for the REVIEW docs09:48
jordanPand as usual, pay also attention to code duplication. We can't have 10 different ways to create a volume or a server09:48
* masayukig keeps in mind09:49
jordanPfinally, when a new test is beeing added, ask yourself whether it is not already tested somewhere else09:49
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jordanPit's easier to add a test for an untested feature than to go over all the tests and look for duplicates09:49
jordanPonce a test is in, it super hard to remove it09:49
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masayukigjordanP : yeah, agree09:50
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masayukigI think it's important, There's very few people in this meeting, though..09:51
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masayukigok, 9 mins left09:51
masayukigdo you have anything to bring up for critical reviews?09:52
DavidPurcellIs it possible to discuss a Tempest spec I created during this part of the meeting?09:52
DavidPurcellOr should I save it for open discussion?09:52
masayukigDavidPurcell : hi,09:52
DavidPurcellhello :)09:52
jordanPyou can go ahead :)09:53
DavidPurcellOkay.  I brought it up at last week's meeting09:53
masayukigDavidPurcell : you need more reviewers for this, right?09:54
DavidPurcellI assume so, I'm not 100% sure on the process09:54
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masayukigok, I think if this is complicated or needs to face to face discussion, and you'll come to the summit, you can add this as a design summit topic.09:56
DavidPurcellI won't be there, but some other representatives from my company (AT&T) will be.09:57
masayukigDavidPurcell : ok, you can feel free to add it if you need it.
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masayukigBut the slots are limited, though...09:58
masayukigDavidPurcell : thanks :)09:58
masayukigso, 2 mins09:58
masayukiganything else, guys?09:59
masayukig#topic Open Discussion09:59
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masayukigok, i just changed the topic09:59
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masayukigdo you have anything to chat?09:59
masayukigif not, time's up!10:00
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masayukigso, thanks guys!!!10:00
masayukigif you have something, bring it to qa channel :)10:01
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mriedem#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct  6 14:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
* kashyap waves14:00
mriedem#link agenda
mriedemlet's do this14:01
mriedem#topic release news14:01
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mriedem#info newton release should happen today14:01
mriedem#link Draft Ocata release schedule:
bauzasit's done
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mriedemoh nice14:02
mriedemwell congratulations everyone14:02
mriedem#topic summit planning14:02
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mriedem#link Nova Ocata design summit draft schedule:
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mriedemwe also have a 5pm nova/neutron session on wed in the neutron room14:03
mriedemand jroll is asking about a 10pm nova/ironic session on wed14:03
mriedemmore like 6pm14:03
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mriedemi'm open to that if others can come too, specifically dansmith and jaypipes given it's placement related14:03
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dansmithyeah, I'm down14:03
dansmithnot with the timing, but I <3 jroll too much to miss it14:04
jrollso another option would be something like 11am friday, if you could spare some api/placement people, figure it doesn't overlap with libvirt too much14:04
sdaguejroll is going to provide beer, right?14:04
jrollor sangria14:04
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mriedemjroll: dansmith will need to be in the libvirt session14:04
jrollso for context, the session is around allowing users to do advanced raid/partioning requests14:04
jrollor maybe putting that in flavors or something14:04
edleafejroll: I can probably make 11am Fri14:05
jrollif people are cool with 6pm wed I'm good with that14:05
dansmithI will be more grumpy on friday14:05
bauzasjroll: contributorse meetup maybe ?14:05
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edleafedansmith: how would we be able to tell?14:05
bauzasooooh contributors*14:05
jrollbauzas: yeah that could work too14:05
mriedempeople are leaving friday afternoon14:06
dansmithedleafe: I have a gauge.. it's kinda hidden.. remind me to show it to you14:06
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edleafedansmith: eeek! Put that thing away!14:06
mriedemok, well we have some flexibility with our 11am slot on friday if needed14:06
bauzasmriedem: that's a good question, I dunno who will stay14:06
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mriedemi.e. we could move that to 9am and slide up the cinder/docs sessions14:06
mriedembut if 6pm on wed is ok for people then let's do that14:06
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jrollmriedem: okay, I'll talk to ironic people, preferring 6pm wed > 11am fri > fri afternoon14:07
mriedemok, were there any questions about the design summit track layout?14:07
mriedemno one screamed in the ML14:07
mriedemmdbooth confirmed he's good with 11am on friday14:07
mriedemso i'll assume people are generally in favor14:08
edleafemriedem: lgtm14:08
mriedemoh i see cdent replied14:08
cdentmriedem: i made a last minute que14:08
cdentyeah, jinx14:08
cdentnothing bad, just curious14:08
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mriedemcdent: so there is a xp session on tuesday or wednesday on scaling review teams/decomposition, etc14:08
mriedemwhich is more for the high level meta type discussions14:09
cdentmriedem: yeah, saw that too14:09
mriedemwe'll be doing a retrospective specifically on placement as we have actionable things there i think14:09
cdentI think it's both days at this point, yeah?14:09
mriedemand we'll be doing sort of a mini retrospective in the libvirt imagebackend session on friday14:09
bauzaslike I said, 40 mins is short, and I'd like to get actionable items14:09
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cdentWell, I hope we can transfer them elsewhere too, because everybody else needs action too.14:09
mriedemi'm not sure what that means14:10
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mriedemthere is plenty of work to go around14:10
auggyI have a question, when would be the best time to talk new contributor stuff? Friday?14:10
dane-fichteris there a slot for talking about security stuff w.r.t. nova?14:11
bauzasauggy: what do you want to address ? I think we made a good progress last summit on the process14:11
cdentmriedem: I mean any actions we learn from retrospecting on placement can hopefully be applied across nova14:11
mriedemdane-fichter: no, i don't think anyone proposed anything on that14:11
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mriedemdane-fichter: so by default that moves to friday meetup style14:11
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dane-fichtermriedem: when's a good time to talk new features? friday?14:11
mriedemauggy: yeah we had a session on new contributors in austin, at this point i'd like to get feedback from new contributors before having another session on process changes14:12
mriedemwe need the loop14:12
auggybauzas: I proposed a session + brainstorm etherpad with objectives14:12
mriedemdane-fichter: unconference or friday meetup14:12
dane-fichtermriedem: cool, thanks.14:12
auggyRight that's what I'm proposing, how to get feedback14:13
mriedemkeep in mind that unconference is time boxed to 4 10 min sessions14:13
bauzasauggy: are you sure you'd get feedback from new contributors at the Summit ? I certainly doubt14:13
mriedemauggy: i think friday meetup is fine for that,14:13
bauzasauggy: I was more thinking of some dematerialized way to get feedback14:13
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mriedemyou could even start that discussion in the ML if you have thoughts14:14
auggyok i can go that route14:14
dane-fichtermriedem: that's fine. just looking to cover some details of cert validation14:14
dansmithyeah, the austin session was not a normal occurrence14:14
dansmithand I don't really think we should do that again, especially considering the shortened schedule14:14
auggybauzas: i wasn't expecting to get feedback from contributors, the session i proposed was about talking about what data we wanted to collect, etc14:14
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bauzasauggy: I think we can handle that asynchronously, esp. given the tight schedule in BCN :)14:15
auggyworks for me14:15
mriedemlike i said, you might want to start priming that pump in the ML before barcelona14:15
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mriedemit may also feed into the xp session14:15
mriedemok moving on14:16
mriedem#topic bugs14:16
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mriedemwe have 2 critical bugs this morning it looks like14:16
mriedemgaryk reported both of those against newton14:16
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dansmithmriedem: first one is permission denied on the filesystem14:17
johnthetubaguyI think we was debugging that with mdbooth this morning14:18
mriedemok i've marked the first as incomplete given mdbooth's triage questions14:19
mriedemand i've marked the 2nd as high, not critical14:19
mriedemas it's in a periodic task14:19
mriedemmdbooth: thanks for triaging those14:19
mdboothmriedem: First looked like a config issue in the end. Not confirmed, but probable.14:19
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bauzasyeah, it *looks*14:20
mriedemwould be good to know if the latter one is a regression in newton, but we can check that later14:20
mriedemok moving on14:20
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mriedemgate status is not terrible14:21
mriedemthere are some bugs though14:21
mriedemlooks like the ceph one that was plaguing us has a fix merged now though and is dropping off
mriedem3rd party ci status,14:22
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mriedemvirtuozzo storage ci should be fixed14:22
mriedemi don't have anything to report on other 3rd party ci14:22
jaypipessorry I'm late...14:23
mriedem#topic reminders14:23
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mriedem (auggy): DocImpact tag reminder to reviewers! Changes with  DocImpact tags create a bug; make sure there's a description of what  documentation is needed!14:23
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auggyyes that14:23
auggybasically when you use a docimpact tag, don't forget to provide some info14:24
mriedemi'd also like to remind nova-specs cores that if you approve a spec, please remember to toggle the bp bits in launchpad, like mark it approved and target it for ocata14:24
auggythere were about 14 bugs in expired or new state last i'd checked (i've been working through them)14:24
mriedemi'm trying to keep a daily track of how much throughput we have on bps14:24
mriedemauggy: docs bugs?14:25
auggyyeah sorry, doc impact auto-bugs14:25
auggyif there's docinfo, i can mark as confirmed and often tag as low hanging fruit so others can pick up the work14:25
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auggyanyways that's all i had on that :)14:25
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mriedemok before i ask about bug skimming duty,14:25
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mriedemi wanted to ask if there are any newish contributors here that are even interested in helping out with bugs14:26
mriedembecause no one attended the bugs meeting this week14:26
mriedemimo bug duty is a repo maintainers job, not a new contributors job14:26
mriedemwhich is why it doesn't get a lot of traction14:26
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mriedemso let's move on14:27
cdentmriedem: I've been wanting to for months, but no cycles14:27
cdentthat may be changing14:27
cdentI suspect "no cycles" is a common problem14:27
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auggyalso even if people just want to skim a bug here and there or do other bug queue maintenance in between things, it's a big help14:27
mriedemcdent: is there something you want to tell jaypipes in public?14:27
cdentoh jaypipes knows, it's not like I'm quiet about it14:28
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mriedemauggy: yes i'm not trying to say triage isn't appreciated, there are always very simple invalid bugs that can be closed out14:28
mriedem#topic Stable branch status:
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auggyof course! didn't get that impression at all, just letting folks know they can help out with bug skimming without committing to it ;)14:29
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bauzashonestly, it's not really big deal to play with bugs14:29
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bauzasyou can commit only a few mins of your time or a whole day14:29
mriedemyes it's helpful to spend 15 minutes each day looking at new bugs14:29
bauzasjust take one bug if you can't afford more, it'll still help14:30
mriedemso onto stable14:30
mriedemwe released stable/liberty last week14:30
mriedemi think 12.0.514:30
mriedemprobably our last stable/liberty release14:30
mriedembefore EOL14:30
* jaypipes gives cdent a bicycle. there, you now have more cycles.14:30
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mriedemi requested a stable/mitaka release last night14:30
cdentI hope it is shiny and red and comes with a big orange flag14:30
jaypipesmriedem: but all you got was that lousy master branch?14:31
mriedemand we'll be doing a stable/newton release next week for bugs that didn't make the official release14:31
edleafecdent: but what color will the shed be?14:31
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jaypipesedleafe: brown.14:31
mriedemjaypipes: yeah, those bums14:31
bauzasmriedem: I know it's a question I always ask, but when do we plan to phase-II Mitaka ?14:31
mriedembauzas: that's a better question for the stable team weekly meeting14:32
mriedemi defer to tonyb14:32
bauzasokay, I guess I can hold my breath until then :)14:32
mriedembtw, thanks to those that did the mitaka review push last week14:32
mriedemi saw the queue really drained, so thanks for that14:32
mriedemi know who you are14:33
mriedem#topic subteam highlights14:33
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mriedemlet's blow through these14:33
mriedemalaski: cells didn't have a meeting this week14:33
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* edleafe has mine queued up14:33
mriedemedleafe: scheduler14:33
edleafeWe discussed work on traits API and final RequestSpec object tasks14:33
edleafeWe also tried to make the idea of pair development clearer to spread knowledge14:33
edleafeLots of confusion about required/optional placement DB in Ocata14:33
edleafeResolution was it will remain optional until placement engine is separated from Nova14:33
edleafethat's it14:33
mriedemtdurakov: are you around?14:34
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mriedempkoniszewski: ?14:35
mriedemi wasn't around for the live migration meeting14:35
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mriedemone thing of news for live migration,14:36
mriedempkoniszewski got a job in the nova experimental queue that runs live migration + grenade multinode14:36
mriedemso we can actually test live migration from newton to ocata and ocata to newton now14:36
mriedemwhich is super sweet14:36
mriedemthere are changes up for review to toggle the back and forth that raj_singh helped with also14:36
pkoniszewskii'm around14:36
mriedempkoniszewski: just singing your praises14:37
pkoniszewskioh, thanks :D14:37
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johnthetubaguyyeah, we discussed ways to make progress and a config in tempest I think14:37
jaypipes thx pkoniszewski!14:37
pkoniszewskiso yeah, i proposed a chain of patches to implement new config option14:37
pkoniszewskiso that basing on a job type it will live migrate both ways or just one way14:37
mriedemyup and the grenade multinode jobs will be the ones that test live migration both ways14:38
mriedemso we don't burn cycles trying to live migration both ways to the same node14:38
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mriedemok, let's move on14:38
mriedemsdague: alex_xu: johnthetubaguy: api subteam meeting highlights?14:39
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johnthetubaguywe skipped it this week14:39
mriedemi know there are specs up for review14:39
johnthetubaguywill discuss the plan for the summit session, and the security groups spec I have up next week14:39
mriedemfor the api14:39
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mriedemwznoinsk: lbeliveau: sriov/pci meeting?14:40
mriedemi think that happened14:40
lbeliveauboth tempests for cold migration and revert migration has been merged (works also for non-SRIOV)14:40
wznoinskmriedem: yes14:40
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lbeliveauwe had some discussions around CI and blueprints, but nothing major to report14:40
lbeliveauthere is one outstanding commit left that fixes functionnality for cold migration revert14:40
mriedemlbeliveau: i saw that tempest patch landed, that's cool14:40
lbeliveaujaypipes: dansmith: if you can have a look at the new patch set that would be great
lbeliveauthat's it :)14:41
mriedemlbeliveau: so will ^ be tested/verified with the new tempest test?14:41
mriedemvia mellanox ci i mean14:41
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lbeliveaulet me verify with moshele14:42
mriedemthat would be good info in that change14:42
mriedemgibi: notifications meeting highlights?14:42
gibijust two things14:43
gibiabout 10 notification transformation patches are up for review already14:43
gibisubteam reviewing the patches14:43
tdurakovmriedem: hi, sorry, was afk14:43
gibi[3;2~the tranformation work got a new automatic burndown chart and todo list14:43
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gibithat is all14:43
mriedemi saw that, nice14:44
mriedem#topic stuck reviews14:44
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mriedem(peter-hamilton): Would like to discuss ways forward for . Related to:
peter-hamiltonshould i summarize the spec or just jump right in?14:44
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mriedemi've asked danpb to join14:44
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peter-hamiltonmriedem: thanks!14:44
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jaypipeslbeliveau: I've had that up in my todo list for a while now. will get to it today, promise.14:45
mriedemdanpb: hola14:45
lbeliveaujaypipes: thanks !14:45
mriedemdanpb: discussing
mriedempeter-hamilton: ok go ahead14:45
peter-hamiltonok, the spec's for improving signature verification by adding cert validation14:45
danpbmriedem: ok, pretty much as i said on the review - i don't think this proposal takes us in a direction we want to go14:46
peter-hamiltondanpb: understood, alternatives have implications14:46
danpbits not even solving the stated problem in the spec14:46
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danpband building something that is of no use to us once we have the real solution14:47
danpbwhich gives us a maintenance burden we don't need14:47
dane-fichterdanpb: how is it not solving the problem14:47
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dane-fichterthe problem is that the signing certs aren't validated.14:47
danpbthe tenant user wants to boot an image and want guarantee that the image is signed by a cert that *they* trust14:48
danpbthe solution is providing a way for cloud admin to list what certs the /host/ trusts14:48
danpbso that does nothing to help the tenant user14:48
dane-fichterI'd argue that the tenant user has to trust the cloud admin already...14:49
danpbthe cloud admin shoudln't even care about certs at all14:49
peter-hamiltoni disagree14:49
dane-fichterpeter-hamilton: you have alternatives, right?14:49
danpball the images are running inside VMs, so whether the image is signed or not is irrelevant to the cloud admin14:49
peter-hamiltondane-fichter: yes14:49
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dane-fichterlet's discuss those14:49
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dane-fichterarguing over this trust model isn't going to progress this discussion imp14:50
peter-hamiltona service has to handle the tenant/user -> trusted cert mapping14:50
mriedemwhich is not barbican i read14:50
peter-hamiltonthere are 3 options: nova, keystone, barbican/castellan14:50
mriedemso a new service to manage certs?14:50
* peter-hamilton shudders14:50
dane-fichterthat's a non-starter14:50
mriedemhave you talked to the keystone team about this?14:50
danpbwe don't need anything to manage certs for an initial implementation14:51
danpbthe boot API in nova could simply take the ID of a trusted cert14:51
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danpband the tenant can provide that when booting each VM14:51
peter-hamiltonthat would require the user to know the ID, seems very unreasonable14:51
peter-hamiltonthe ID of an individual cert that is14:51
dane-fichterespecially since the trusted image may not be uploaded by the end user14:51
danpbof course it would be useful to have a permanent record of the tenant/cert mapping but solving that's not a pre-requisite for doing useful cert validation in nova14:51
dane-fichterdanpb: understood14:52
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dane-fichterso you're proposing an API change in Nova?14:52
danpbi think that's desirable as the first step yes, as it avoids blocking the entire effort on creation of some cert managment service14:53
dane-fichterthe consensus we've received from cores in the past is that modifying the boot command to support image signing is a non-starter14:53
danpbwhile still proividing a very useful capability to nova14:53
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danpbdane-fichter: i've certainly not said that before - i've suggested this approach in every cycle where this work has been proposed14:53
dane-fichterdanpb: I admire the simplicity of this from an implementation perspective14:53
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mriedemtime check, we have 6 minutes14:54
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mriedemcan we move this to the mailing list? sounds like something we will need to discuss at the summit14:54
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mriedemprobably part of unconference and then bleed into friday meetup14:54
danpbyes, i was just going to suggest moving it to summit14:54
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dane-fichterdanpb: yeah i'll be at the summit to discuss this14:55
mriedemi'd like to have the alternatives fleshed out with pros/cons before the summit14:55
dane-fichterlet's wrap it up for now14:55
mriedemso we don't have to play catchup14:55
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dane-fichtermriedem: will do14:55
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johnthetubaguymaybe fill out the alternatives section of the spec?14:55
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* bauzas needs to drop earlier \o14:55
mriedemwell, there might be a new spec14:55
peter-hamiltonjohnthetubaguy: we can expand it, there are several options listed already14:55
dane-fichterjohnthetubaguy: we'll flesh that out more too14:55
mriedemor swap the main change and alternatives14:55
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mriedem#topic open discussion14:55
johnthetubaguyyeah, all of those sound good14:55
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mriedem (mriedem): Start thinking about PTG attendance, February 20-2.  Mon/Tues are cross-project, Wed-Fri are vertical team meetup-style. Mon  and Fri would be 'optional'.14:56
mriedemi got an email from the foundation asking if nova was going to be at the PTG14:56
mriedemthey have a survey,14:56
mriedemi'm assuming some people will be there14:56
mriedemi can't say i will be at this time14:56
mriedembut i wanted to bring that up as an fyi14:56
mriedemif you are sure you're going to the PTG please let me know in -nova14:56
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mriedemelse i'll start a thread in the ML14:56
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bauzasopen a thread14:57
mriedemok with 3 minutes left14:57
mriedem(hferenc): Unifying image and flavor metadata (
openstackLaunchpad bug 1582693 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Image and flavor metadata for libvirt watchdog is handled erroneously" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Richil Bhalerao (richil-bhalerao)14:57
bauzasbecause some would engage discussions with management based on thart14:57
mriedembauzas: ok wil do14:57
mriedemhferenc_: did you want to speak to that? ^14:57
hferenc_so i came across this issue some time ago when i was trying to implement tests that used flavor extra specs14:57
hferenc_shortly, different modules/projects use extra specs formats inconsistently14:58
hferenc_flavor is ':' based, image is '_' while '_' is used for both in horizon14:58
hferenc_my question would be whether there is any ongoing work that aims to unify the extra specs formats?14:58
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hferenc_or are there any plans to do this in the future?14:58
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danpbPTG is the dev meetup at the marketing summit, right ?14:58
mriedemfyi, melwitt recently went through something with this14:58
johnthetubaguyI was hoping to straighten a lot of that out with the tags things related to placement14:58
mriedemdanpb: no14:58
mriedemdanpb: PTG is the midcycle replacement14:58
johnthetubaguyI thought it was the design summit replacement14:59
cdentso much confusion on this14:59
mriedemdanpb: but at the beginning of the cycle now14:59
mriedemdanpb: marketing summit is now midway through the release14:59
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mriedemhferenc_: let's move this to #openstack-nova14:59
mriedemwe're out of time14:59
danpbmriedem: oh right, wrong way around14:59
mriedemthanks everyone14:59
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rtheisnetworking-ovn meeting time17:59
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_ovn'18:00
rtheis#topic Announcements18:00
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rtheisnetworking-ovn 1.0.0 release (newton) is available18:00
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rtheisnice work to the team18:01
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rtheisI don't have any other announcements18:01
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rtheis#topic Bugs18:01
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1627810 in networking-ovn "gate-grenade-dsvm-networking-ovn-nv [Fail] Couldn't ping server " [Undecided,Confirmed]18:02
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rtheisDeferring fix while waiting for to merge so the grenade job can test with native OVN L3.18:02
openstackLaunchpad bug 1621627 in networking-ovn "Create multi-node CI job for networking-ovn" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Richard Theis (rtheis)18:02
rtheisFinal patch is ready to merge.  However, the multi-node job may require updates once merges.  A new bug will be opened if that is the case.18:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1622647 in networking-ovn "Move OpenStack requirements to ovs 2.6.0" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Richard Theis (rtheis)18:03
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rtheis is needed to cleanup the requirements on the stable/newton branch.18:03
azbiswasI have a solution to the python idl mutate support - I'll post a patch on OVS and networking-ovn soon18:03
rtheisazbiswas: thank you18:03
rtheislet's move to that18:04
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1629099 in networking-ovn "OVS transaction mutate clears column data within transaction" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Richard Theis (rtheis)18:04
rtheisazbiswas: I assume that you are referring to
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rtheisdoes ovs team have plans for a 2.6.1 release?18:05
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rtheisIt would be nice to get that fix in so we can cleanup networking-ovn18:05
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rtheisazbiswas: ping me the patch link and I'd be happy to help test it.18:06
rtheisanything else on bugs?18:07
rtheis#topic Reviews18:08
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rtheisNAT support (SNAT, FloatingIP):
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rtheisRefuse port binding if not supported for host:
rtheisSupport native OVN DHCPv6:
rtheisif you have time, please review these new function patches18:09
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rtheisReminder to add new release notes as appropriate18:09
rtheisany other reviews?18:10
rtheisquiet day today18:10
rtheis#topic Open Discussion18:10
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rtheiswhat else is on your mind?18:11
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rtheisI don't have anything else18:13
rtheisalright, let's wrap up for today18:14
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armaxhello folks22:01
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armax#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct  6 22:01:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers'22:01
armaxkevinbenton, carl_baldwin, HenryG: ping22:02
armaxI guess this is ihrachys’ first meeting as driver member22:02
ihrachysarmax: nope22:02
ihrachysbut thanks :)22:02
armaxso I guess hazing doesn’t apply22:02
armaxmy memory is not as sharp as it used to be22:03
armaxeffect of too much neutron radiations22:03
armaxthe agenda for today’s meeting won’t be (again) the convential one we’re used to22:03
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armaxI’d like to talk respectively of a) design summit schedule; b) ocata priorities22:04
dasmarmax: even tho, if it's not first one for ihrachys, it's still pretty late back in Europe. so, i believe, it's still achievement22:04
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armaxand there was something else but I can’t remember22:04
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armaxas proof of the fact that I am becoming senile22:04
johnsomWas it a no-confidence vote?22:05
ihrachysAARP membership card on its way22:05
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armaxoh yes22:06
armaxI remember22:06
armaxI was reading22:07
armaxand it reminded me to nuke some folks22:07
armaxso c) seek for blood22:07
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armaxand d) kick off the stadium consolidation’s final stage22:08
ihrachysthat's packed for 1h22:08
amullera bit :)22:08
armaxit’s fine22:09
armaxihrachys. amuller: time me22:09
armax#topic Design summit schedule22:09
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armax#link there’s an early draft avaiable at22:10
johnsomtypo: chair: dougwig/johnsonm22:10
armaxI noticed there’s a bug in cheddar22:11
armaxin that swapping sessions doesn’t swap the content by the looks of it22:11
armaxso bear with me while I chase this down22:11
armaxin the meantime, I have reached out individually the people I expect to participate as chairs22:11
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armaxthanks for those of you who have already replied22:12
armaxwhat I would like from you is the link to the etherpad belonging to your session and a brief abstract so that I feel it up in cheddar22:12
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kevinbentonfeel it up?22:13
dougwig'feel it up'.  oh my.22:13
armaxin the process I’ll work with each of you to brainstorm and agree on the content overall22:13
* armax has the mind somewhere else22:13
dougwigwe know where.22:13
armaxI’d love to be done by next team meeting22:14
armaxso that ihrachys can divulgate further22:14
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ihrachystiny thing that HenryG raised today; expected etherpad prefix, is it still neutron-newton?22:14
armaxagain, my mind somewhere else22:15
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armaxdid I say that in the email?22:15
armaxthen I am an idiot22:15
ihrachysI mean, you said :)22:15
armaxthat’s clearly meant to be ocata-neutron22:15
armaxmy bad22:15
amullerarmax: please update the link for the testing session to
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armaxamuller: :)22:16
amullerI'll fill in the abstract tomorrow22:16
armaxI just noticed that you played along :22:16
armaxbut johnsom didn't22:16
armaxplease double check time conflicts22:16
johnsomYeah, well, we are the rebels22:17
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amullerarmax: thanks for moving my session to Thu btw22:17
armaxalso when you go through your etherpad22:17
dougwigi edited the email to ocata before i forwarded it to johnsom.22:17
armaxplease cross/strike content in if it’s going to be included in your etherpad22:18
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armaxdougwig: but you didn’t tell me, did you?22:18
armaxwanted to make me look like a fool, uh?22:18
armaxamuller: no problemo22:18
dougwigarmax: someone had already brought it up in a reply.22:18
armaxthey did?22:18
armaxoh well, my legacy is casted22:19
armaxI screwed up my last design summit organization22:19
armaxeverything is ruined22:19
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armaxbear in mind that this cycle we’ll start off our summit with a nova/neutron session22:19
dougwigi don't see it now. maybe i imagined it.22:19
armaxthe time is immutable so please don’t ask to move it22:20
armaxbecause that’s the only slot we don’t conflcit with the nova sessions22:20
armaxbut please do strive to join if you are a core or a driver memeber22:20
armaxso if you have a talk, well…figure out how to split yourself or something equivalent22:20
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armaxbesides, we’ll most likely have gluon folks joining the room and dougwig would be pleased to hear that at least some controversy will come up22:22
armaxamotoki: I have not heard from you22:22
dougwigyes, this summit looks too tame.22:22
armaxdougwig: hang in there, you won’t be disappointed22:22
ihrachysdougwig: ack. I will try to fill in my session with scary shit.22:22
ihrachysfor your amuzement22:22
amotokiarmax: I will be at the summit. I took PTO and offline these two days.22:22
armaxok, anything anyone wants to raise?22:22
dougwigcontainer NFV chained ports22:22
armaxamotoki: ok, thanks22:23
amullerthrow in some flavors in there and it's golden22:23
armaxif not, I’ll move on to prove to amuller and ihrachys that I can complete the agenda on time22:23
dougwigamuller: that's not implied?22:23
carl_baldwinarmax: I owe you a follow up. I'll send email today.22:23
armaxand I’ll even through some minutes to spare22:23
armaxcarl_baldwin: thanks22:23
armaxnext topic coming uo22:23
armax#topic Ocata priorities22:23
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armaxwe all know that setting priorities in open source and openstack development is hard and virtually impossible22:24
kevinbentonso next topic then?22:24
armaxnow, if you are not familiar with the published Ocata schedule22:25
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armaxyou can see that feature freeze is the week of Jan 2422:25
armaxthis means that between now, the pre summit rush, the post summit cool off, thanksgiving and christmas22:26
kevinbentonwe get 1 feature?22:26
armaxpractically, time is tight22:26
dougwigthat's barely enough time to change my socks.22:26
amullerI assume people will be finishing up unfinished work from Newton22:26
amotokionly 12 weeks after the summit including them :p22:26
armaxamuller: in a nutshell, yes22:26
armaxwe need not only close in on the newton backlog22:27
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armaxbut also fix all the bugs that kevinbenton has introduced and will introduce when finishing push notifications22:27
armaxincluded ihrachys’ and carl_baldwin’s22:27
carl_baldwinMy bugs?22:27
carl_baldwinKevin was going to fix those, I thought. :)22:28
armaxcarl_baldwin: that’s between you too :)22:28
amullerarmax: my team will primarily focus on finishing up Newton work, and perhaps starting spec/design work throughout the cycle targeting P22:28
armaxplus, there’s the usual testing and CI side of the house to improve22:28
amullerthat's the high level plan...22:29
armaxone thing to consider is that the Nova team is committed to devote some time and effort into the Nova/Neutron integration layer22:29
armaxit would be nice to align with them22:30
armaxsbelous related but not only22:30
armaxso I am thinking that we are pretty much in feature freeze already and we’ll squeeze only a few high visibility targets between now and Ocata22:30
armaxto be worked out once we got hold of the outstanding RFE list/open specs lists we got22:31
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ihrachysarmax: do we have a list of targets to squeeze, or it's anything incomplete from newton?22:31
armaxI don’t think it’s a bold move circumstances considered22:31
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amullerIMO it's a good idea to continue spec/design work throughout O for stuff we'd like to see in P22:32
amullerwhile we continue work items from N22:32
armaxihrachys: we’ll have to scan the newton backlog to assess what can/must be pruned22:32
armaxand if there’s anything new that can be added22:32
dougwigit could be "bugs only" and we'd still have too much content.22:32
armaxamuller: even spec review is time consuming22:32
amullercertainly is22:32
ihrachysthat's a reasonable move; even with alternative schedule, having a stabilization cycle once in a while is good.22:32
armaxand I personally think that if I can devote time to code review of stuff we already agreed on22:33
armaxI’d rather do that22:33
armaxbut it’s a judgement call22:33
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amotokiI agree this cycle focuses on bug and high priority features.22:33
armaxok, anything anyone wants to bring up?22:34
armaxwe’ll talk in more detail about this during the backlog session22:34
armaxat the summit22:34
carl_baldwinSeems wise to me. There has been so going on lately. Keeping some focus on stabilizing it a bit will be good.22:34
armaxbut w’ll do some work between now and then of course22:35
armaxok next topic coming up22:35
armax#topic membership cleanup22:36
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armaxin neutron we have two key teams22:36
armax#link,members drivers22:36
armax#link,members cores22:37
armaxwhile the former is tasked with reviewing RFEs and specs and bikeshed once a week22:37
dougwigi don't think the time i've been putting in is up to snuff, so i'm stepping down from the drivers team.22:37
armaxthe latter is tasked with reviewing the code that lands into our trees22:37
armaxdougwig: ok, let me finish first :)22:38
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johnsomI think your first link was wrong, isn't it this one?22:39
armaxwhat I wanted to add is that I personally think that is reasonable to expect membership to continue if the individual shows some regularity in fullfilling their duties22:39
armaxjohnsom: yes22:39
carl_baldwin^ That looks better22:39
armaxjohnsom: thanks22:39
armaxI am failing left and right22:39
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armaxall I am trying to say is that someone belongs to that list and feels like he/she cannot keep up with the project flow nearly on a daily basis, then that person should probably consider stepping down22:42
openstackdougwig: Error: "!" is not a valid command.22:43
armaxto either list, I mean22:43
dougwig !!22:43
armaxnow dougwig, your turn :)22:43
armaxit sucks to see you step down22:43
armaxnonetheless I appreciate the time and energy you spent so far22:43
dougwigif my commitments change, we'll see what happens.  else maybe i'll be in a corner with salv and a beer.22:44
* ihrachys thanks dougwig for his service22:44
armaxthe team always welcome people who love to bikeshed22:45
armaxerm, work hard22:45
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armaxanything anyone wants to add?22:46
armaxif not, racing towards the next and final topic22:46
armax#topic stadium consolidation - final stage22:46
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armaxnearly all of you are aware that I have been made this my crusade22:47
armaxduring last cycle I did not quite finish all I wanted to do, but I feel like I am pretty close22:48
* johnsom feels the pull on the ropes tied to his arms....22:48
armaxin the coming week, I’ll be sending out an update22:49
armaxin spec22:49
ihrachysarmax: you mean a patch to the spec?22:49
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armaxit’s stated that the first milestone of a cycle is the one where project membership is assessed22:49
armaxihrachys: no, it’s probably gonna be in a form of email22:50
armaxI will need to tweak the devref22:50
armaxonce I finalize patch
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armaxI’ll prepare a template where we can objectively and transparently assess how projects meet the criteria22:52
armaxand we’ll judge during the forthcoming drivers meeting who gets to stay in or who gets to go out22:52
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armaxfor this cycle, we don’t accept inclusions22:53
armaxshould there be any22:53
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armaxwe’ll wait until Pike for that22:53
armaxanything anyone else would like to add?22:53
armaxif not, I finished with 7 minutes to spare22:53
armaxihrachys, amuller: how about that?22:54
ihrachyslike a boss22:54
armax6 now22:54
amullerMost impressive.22:54
carl_baldwinNice work.22:55
armaxthanks for joining22:55
armaxToday is the day Newton is officially out22:55
armaxbe proud (or not) of what you achieved22:56
armaxI certainly am22:56
dougwigso now we can merge all those rebase breakers?22:56
armax…somewhat :)22:56
* ihrachys slowly claps22:56
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sbelousneutrinos, can I ask you to take a look at this spec and help with review?22:56
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armaxdougwig: have at it22:56
sbelousI really want to accelerate the process of implementing it :)22:56
armaxdougwig: gently22:56
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