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| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 09:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 2 09:32:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:32 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 09:32 |
| BobBall | Good morning/afternoon everyone | 09:32 |
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| BobBall | johnthetubaguy pingity ping? | 09:32 |
| jianghuaw | Good morning BobBall. | 09:32 |
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| BobBall | #topic Blueprints / specs | 09:33 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints / specs (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:33 | |
| huanxie | Hello all | 09:33 |
| BobBall | So - jianghuaw - can we have an update for your two specs from the discussions at the summit? | 09:33 |
| jianghuaw | yes. For "generalizing PCI devices", the cores agreed that's a long term direction but don't think it should be in Ocata. | 09:34 |
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| jianghuaw | as the PCI refactoring as resource object is still in progress. | 09:35 |
| BobBall | Is there any pre-work needed that's happening in ocata? | 09:35 |
| BobBall | IS that expected to finish in Ocata or not? | 09:36 |
| jianghuaw | Per Jay's input, PCI refactorying should be done in Ocata. | 09:36 |
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| jianghuaw | after that, it should be suitable for "generalizing PCI" going to P. | 09:37 |
| BobBall | I see. | 09:37 |
| BobBall | And you mentioned yet another different proposal for vgpu? | 09:37 |
| jianghuaw | For seeking support VGPU, Jay suggested to use the custom resource class for VGPU. | 09:38 |
| BobBall | That sounds full circle back to what we proposed in Liberty which is what Dan was not in favour of? | 09:38 |
| jianghuaw | define single VGPU types in the section of [placement] in nova's configure file. | 09:38 |
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| jianghuaw | in liberty, we proposed to create a top resource for VGPU. and also rejected by Jay IIRC. | 09:40 |
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| BobBall | ok perhaps I don't understand the difference between those two? | 09:42 |
| jianghuaw | But it seems it's determined to support custom resource classes. | 09:42 |
| jianghuaw | it seems there is plan to support FPGA with custom resource type also. | 09:42 |
| BobBall | I see | 09:42 |
| jianghuaw | In liberty, the refactoring for resource pool is at the early phase. | 09:43 |
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| jianghuaw | and there is no concept of the custom resource class. All resources are defined as top resources. | 09:44 |
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| BobBall | Understood | 09:45 |
| BobBall | so for vgpu we need to rewrite the spec to work on custom resource types | 09:45 |
| BobBall | vGPU attempt #4 | 09:45 |
| jianghuaw | Unfortunately it seems yes. | 09:45 |
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| BobBall | OK - any other updates from the summit? | 09:46 |
| jianghuaw | the nova-network will be removed from ocata, so we should think to remove our nova network CI accordinly? | 09:47 |
| BobBall | Deprecated or removed? | 09:47 |
| huanxie | deprecated iirc | 09:48 |
| BobBall | Typically we remove after a cycle of deprecation | 09:48 |
| BobBall | so nova network may continue to work for Ocata I think? | 09:48 |
| jianghuaw | or yes. | 09:48 |
| BobBall | We should probably continue testing until Infra remove their nova network CI | 09:48 |
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| BobBall | Once that's gone, then yes, let's disable ours. | 09:48 |
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| jianghuaw | fair enough. | 09:49 |
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| BobBall | OK - any more for any more? | 09:49 |
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| huanxie | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-neutron-session | 09:50 |
| BobBall | For some reason my compute keeps locking up - I may disappear unexpected. | 09:50 |
| huanxie | this link gaves plan on nova-network | 09:50 |
| * johnthetubaguy wonders in very late and hides at the back | 09:51 | |
| huanxie | "we can't drop nova-network until cellsv2 is available for upgrading from cellsv1" | 09:51 |
| BobBall | Ah - ok | 09:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, we have just put a patch to stop nova-network starting, unless you are using cells v1 | 09:51 |
| BobBall | so we should keep our nova-network CI for the forseable future :D | 09:51 |
| BobBall | oh right maybe not | 09:52 |
| BobBall | because our CI isn't using cells (unless it's devstack default?) | 09:52 |
| BobBall | Got a link to the patch johnthetubaguy ? Just worth us looking to see if it does stop our CI working | 09:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | just digging it up | 09:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392236/ | 09:55 |
| jianghuaw | If it stops nova-network starting, it surely will break our CI once that patch got merged. | 09:55 |
| BobBall | awesome - yes - it does break our nova-network CI | 09:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, we have a -ve vote from lots of CI on there | 09:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | which is expected | 09:56 |
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| BobBall | So we should just double check that the failure is due to nova network being disabled | 09:56 |
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| BobBall | and if it is, let's stop nova-network from voting | 09:56 |
| BobBall | then we can remove it entirely once this patch has merged. | 09:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | http://dd6b71949550285df7dc-dda4e480e005aaa13ec303551d2d8155.r49.cf1.rackcdn.com/36/392236/2/check/dsvm-tempest-nova-network/11cfd32/logs/screen-n-net.txt.gz | 09:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | awesome | 09:57 |
| BobBall | That'll free up some CI resources for the fun new test that huazhihao is working on :) | 09:57 |
| huazhihao | Indeed | 09:57 |
| jianghuaw | awesome. | 09:58 |
| BobBall | OK | 09:58 |
| BobBall | Rapidly running out of time | 09:58 |
| BobBall | #topic AOB | 09:58 |
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| BobBall | Let's skip to AOB | 09:58 |
| BobBall | Anything else we should cover today? | 09:58 |
| jianghuaw | For this spec, generally I think we've got agreement. But we need some cores help to review and approve it before the spec freezing date. | 09:58 |
| jianghuaw | Link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379279/ | 09:58 |
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| BobBall | Ah yes - your review on the os-xenapi spec would be appreciated johnthetubaguy :) | 09:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, there was that wording to iron out, looks like thats done now :) | 09:59 |
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| huanxie | Hope you can help review my vif hotplug patch, maybe we can discuss it next time https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365505/, thanks:) | 09:59 |
| BobBall | We have the library created and are committing code to it | 09:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, whats the formatting on line 19 about? | 09:59 |
| BobBall | so first release of the library shouldn't be too far away at which point we can do the Nova changes. | 09:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379279/3/specs/ocata/approved/add-os-xenapi-library.rst@19 | 10:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | looks like a merge or cut and paste error I guess? | 10:00 |
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| BobBall | Looks like a newline was added in the wrong place | 10:00 |
| BobBall | look at the changes from 2-3 | 10:00 |
| BobBall | added a newline rather than deleting part of the formatting | 10:00 |
| jianghuaw | indeed, will revise it. thanks. | 10:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 10:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | ping me when thats ready in the main channel | 10:01 |
| BobBall | +1 | 10:01 |
| BobBall | Awesome | 10:01 |
| BobBall | So johnthetubaguy - did you spot the query about reviewing the vif hotplug patch? | 10:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | not yet | 10:02 |
| BobBall | 09:59 < huanxie> Hope you can help review my vif hotplug patch, maybe we can discuss it next time https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365505/, thanks:) | 10:02 |
| BobBall | I didn't mean did you review it :) | 10:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | huanxie: I made you the assignee on the blueprint, so that should help you edit it, if needed. | 10:04 |
| huanxie | johnthetubaguy, Thanks | 10:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | will try take a peak | 10:04 |
| BobBall | Perfect. | 10:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | would be good to get that added | 10:04 |
| BobBall | Any more for any more? | 10:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | especially now neutron is... more important | 10:04 |
| BobBall | :D | 10:05 |
| jianghuaw | new patch upload | 10:05 |
| BobBall | Let's close there then. | 10:05 |
| jianghuaw | uploaded. | 10:05 |
| BobBall | Thanks everyone. | 10:05 |
| BobBall | #closemeeting | 10:05 |
| jianghuaw | thanks. | 10:05 |
| huanxie | Thanks all:) | 10:05 |
| BobBall | #endmeeting | 10:05 |
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| BobBall | #stopmeeting | 10:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-11-02-09.32.html | 10:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-11-02-09.32.txt | 10:05 |
| BobBall | #ireallywanttostop | 10:05 |
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| joehuang | hello, let's start tricircle meeting | 13:01 |
| RongHui | :) | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 2 13:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:01 |
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| joehuang_ | #topic rollcall | 13:02 |
| joehuang_ | #info joehuang | 13:02 |
| RongHui | #info ronghui | 13:02 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 13:02 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:02 |
| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 13:02 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:02 |
| hejiawei | #info jiawei | 13:03 |
| joehuang_ | #topic Tricircle design summit recap and Ocata planning | 13:03 |
| joehuang_ | hello, The Ocata release plan is on https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 13:03 |
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| joehuang_ | there are two milestone Tricircle will be aligned with Ocata | 13:04 |
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| joehuang_ | milestone ocata-2 and ocata-3 | 13:04 |
| joehuang_ | #info milestone ocata-2 is Dec.15, ocata-3 Jan 26 | 13:05 |
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| joehuang_ | #info Ocata release date is Feb.23 | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | sorry, my connection was broken for a while | 13:09 |
| joehuang | we need to mark these items in milestone: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-tricircle-work-session | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | And add new features or bp as needed | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | #info mark items with milestone in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-tricircle-work-session | 13:16 |
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| joehuang | #action consult infra team how to enable multi-region environment in gate and check job | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | hello, most of items are marked with milestone now | 13:36 |
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| zhiyuan | yes | 13:37 |
| joehuang | do you have other items want to add in Ocata release? | 13:37 |
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| zhiyuan | no, i think it's good enough in such a short circle | 13:39 |
| joehuang | And others? | 13:40 |
| Yipei | no | 13:40 |
| dongfeng | no for me | 13:40 |
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| yinxiulin | no for me | 13:40 |
| RongHui | no for me | 13:40 |
| junsik | no for me | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | Ok, let's work on these items in Ocata release for Tricircle | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | I think it's time to conclude our meeting today, one efficient meeting :) | 13:42 |
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| zhiyuan | :) | 13:42 |
| joehuang | thank you for attending the meeting | 13:42 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 2 13:42:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-11-02-13.01.html | 13:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-11-02-13.01.txt | 13:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-11-02-13.01.log.html | 13:42 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 13:42 |
| joehuang | #bye | 13:42 |
| dongfeng | bye | 13:42 |
| Yipei | bye | 13:42 |
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| vkramskikh | #startmeeting javascript | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 2 14:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkramskikh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'javascript' | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | hey everyone | 14:00 |
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| vkramskikh | the agenda is here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/javascript-meeting-2016-11-02 | 14:00 |
| larainema | hi all | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | who's there? | 14:00 |
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| larainema | hi vkramskikh | 14:01 |
| yujunz | hi all | 14:01 |
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| vkramskikh | #topic action followup: everyone to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385777/ | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action followup: everyone to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385777/ (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:02 | |
| vkramskikh | the request has been merged, thanks everyone! | 14:02 |
| vkramskikh | #topic action followup: yujunz to create doc about including js-openstack-lib into existing project | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action followup: yujunz to create doc about including js-openstack-lib into existing project (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:03 | |
| vkramskikh | yujunz: how is it going? | 14:03 |
| yujunz | I wrote to MIchael and will continue on his patch | 14:03 |
| yujunz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351875/ | 14:03 |
| yujunz | He has already started a document, I'll continue on it | 14:04 |
| vkramskikh | yujunz: cool, thanks | 14:04 |
| vkramskikh | and we have the only topic for this meeting | 14:04 |
| vkramskikh | #topic do we still need this meeting? | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "do we still need this meeting? (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:04 | |
| vkramskikh | what do you guys think? | 14:04 |
| vkramskikh | not so many people attend the meeting now | 14:05 |
| yujunz | Sorry for missing lots of meetings. | 14:05 |
| yujunz | Shall we reduce the frequency? | 14:05 |
| vkramskikh | that's an option for sure | 14:05 |
| vkramskikh | originally Michael planned to make it bi-weekly | 14:06 |
| yujunz | Another option is turn it into casual meeting | 14:06 |
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| yujunz | No fixed agenda, just a time slot that most people will get online | 14:06 |
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| yujunz | And we may discuss freely | 14:07 |
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| larainema | I am OK with either:) | 14:07 |
| larainema | will try to attend | 14:07 |
| larainema | how about the summit? any plan to js-openstack-lib? | 14:07 |
| vkramskikh | yujunz: maybe we just use #openstack-javascript instead? | 14:07 |
| yujunz | Yes | 14:08 |
| yujunz | For casual meeting, we can stay in javascript channel | 14:08 |
| yujunz | Less noise | 14:08 |
| vkramskikh | we had a short meeting and discussed some short-term plans for js-openstack-lib | 14:08 |
| vkramskikh | they include support for Keystone v3.6 and password change api call - the only items which are left to use the library in Fuel | 14:09 |
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| yujunz | Yes, lunch time with vkramskikh and cardeois | 14:09 |
| yujunz | The getting started document is also based on authentication | 14:10 |
| vkramskikh | as for me, I have no further plans for js-openstack-lib - most likely I won't be contributing to Fuel a lot since I've started to work on another project | 14:10 |
| cardeois | oh hi ! sorry to be late, I'm still in europe, not used to the time difference | 14:10 |
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| vkramskikh | but I will still review the patches and could help others with any kind of issues | 14:11 |
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| larainema | i have tried to make the nova api works last week, but not done it, have talked with michael, hope have some progress this week | 14:12 |
| vkramskikh | larainema: great news! | 14:12 |
| vkramskikh | cardeois: what to you think about this meeting? should we cancel it, make it bi-weekly or make it "casual"? | 14:13 |
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| cardeois | sure no pb, well you're right not many people attend this meeting, so either bi-weekly or just use #openstack-javascript is ok | 14:13 |
| cardeois | But what do you mean by casual? | 14:13 |
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| cardeois | My only concern I'm afraid of is if we don't do any meeting anymore, we won't contribute much on it, or not at all | 14:14 |
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| vkramskikh | "just use #openstack-javascript" suits for my understanding of "casual" | 14:15 |
| vkramskikh | ok, so let's start with making it bi-weekly for now | 14:15 |
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| yujunz | Casual => "Should it be formal meeting (i.e. sync-up) or just time-slot when most of active people will be available in IRC and ready for discussion?" | 14:15 |
| cardeois | alright and we'll make it casual if we thinkg bi weekly is too much | 14:15 |
| yujunz | Copied from mailing list | 14:15 |
| vkramskikh | #agreed make this meeting bi-weekly | 14:16 |
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| vkramskikh | I'll create a patch | 14:16 |
| yujunz | agree | 14:16 |
| vkramskikh | does anybody have any other topics to discuss? | 14:16 |
| yujunz | I have question on docs | 14:17 |
| yujunz | Where does it publish finally? | 14:17 |
| cardeois | good question, checking | 14:17 |
| yujunz | I saw the job merged, but didn't find the page on docs site | 14:17 |
| cardeois | http://developer.openstack.org/sdks/javascript/js-openstack-lib for js-openstack-lib | 14:17 |
| cardeois | but it's published only at release time | 14:17 |
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| cardeois | so when we do a new tag. Not sure it's the best option, krotscheck did it like that so I kept it | 14:18 |
| cardeois | And for js-generator-openstack I think it will be http://docs.openstack.org/developer/js-generator-openstack | 14:18 |
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| cardeois | As it's not clear if this is for app developers using openstack, or internal for openstack devs | 14:19 |
| yujunz | Is there a time window for release? | 14:19 |
| yujunz | Or we can tag whenever it is ready | 14:19 |
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| cardeois | Yeah we can tag whenever we want, but we have to poke infra | 14:19 |
| clarkb | cardeois: I think the separation that the docs team is trying to achieve is that developer.openstack.org is for application developers looking for docs on how to use openstack. docs.openstack.org/developer is for openstack developers looking for docs on how to develop openstack | 14:20 |
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| cardeois | clarkb exactly and as js-generator-openstack puprpose was not clear I've set it to docs.openstack.org/developer for now | 14:20 |
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| cardeois | vkramskikh I don't have any subject this week, anybody else? | 14:22 |
| yujunz | No more from my side | 14:22 |
| cardeois | btw I'm in vacations this week and next week | 14:23 |
| cardeois | so I might skip the next meeting as well | 14:23 |
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| vkramskikh | cardeois: since I'm going to modify the meeting, I want to add you to the chair list. do you have any objections? :) | 14:23 |
| yujunz | If bi-weekly meeting start today, the next one will be on Nov 16? | 14:24 |
| cardeois | sure no pb | 14:24 |
| vkramskikh | yujunz: correct | 14:24 |
| vkramskikh | no more topics from my side then | 14:24 |
| larainema | no more topics from me | 14:24 |
| vkramskikh | thanks everyone | 14:25 |
| vkramskikh | #endmeeting | 14:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 2 14:25:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-11-02-14.00.html | 14:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-11-02-14.00.txt | 14:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-11-02-14.00.log.html | 14:25 |
| yujunz | Thanks all | 14:25 |
| cardeois | bye | 14:25 |
| larainema | bye | 14:25 |
| yujunz | bye | 14:25 |
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| SotK | normal service will resume next week | 15:01 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 2 16:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| Swanson | Hello | 16:00 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:00 |
| erlon-airlong | hey | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu__ | hey~ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Hey everybody. | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:00 |
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| sam64_ | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Matt gave us a heads up yesterday. | 16:01 |
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| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Nova deprecated nova-net last release. | 16:01 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: No ping today };-) | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
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| geguileo | ? | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Oops :) | 16:01 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylike.hu mdovgal | 16:01 |
| geguileo | Hi! o/ | 16:01 |
| patrickeast | Hey | 16:01 |
| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
| mtanino | hi/ | 16:01 |
| chris_morrell | \o/yay | 16:02 |
| erlon-airlong | lol hi | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Nova-net will be going away in Ocata. | 16:02 |
| xyang1 | hi again | 16:02 |
| tommylikehu__ | hello again | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | He started to look through some of the CIs and it looks like a lot are stilling using it. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | So all CI maintainers - time to get switched over to neutron. | 16:02 |
| Swanson | RIP nova-net. You were an easy and convenient network. | 16:02 |
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| patrickeast | Probably a lot of ours too :( | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #action CI maintainers need to switch to neutron very very soon. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: +1 ;) | 16:03 |
| xyang2 | ours are using it. got the message to switch now | 16:03 |
| erlon-airlong | Swanson: yep, Ill miss the convinience | 16:03 |
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| erlon-airlong | Swanson: Im always afraid to face neutron | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | Another jarring reminder - we are two weeks away from O-1. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:04 |
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| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: is that feature freeze? | 16:04 |
| Swanson | erlon-airlong, if you've spent your entire existence in linux network setup and worked on neutron from day one I suspect it is easy and convenient, too. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | I need to spend some time updating that etherpad, but let's try to stay focused on getting things going before it's too late. | 16:04 |
| erlon-airlong | Swanson: +1 | 16:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | erlon-airlong: No, feature freeze is late January. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html Release schedule | 16:05 |
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| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: what is the targets to O1? | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | That's all I have for announcements... | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | erlon-airlong: For us, not much. Just a noteable milestone to point out. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Things will move quick this release. | 16:06 |
| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: ok | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | So making sure everyone's aware that it's already that point in the cycle. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | #topic OSC catching up | 16:06 |
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| erlon-airlong | hey | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | erlon-airlong, stevemar: All your's.. | 16:06 |
| erlon-airlong | so, I was talking to the OSC people in one of their meetings, and we realize that if we dont have an strategy, OSC will never catch up cinderclient | 16:07 |
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| erlon-airlong | so, I though about suggesting a target of compatibility where from that point, all new features in Cinder should have a client in OSC | 16:08 |
| erlon-airlong | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18ZtWC75BNCwFqLfFpCGGJ9uPVBvUXX0xuXP1yYG0NDA/edit#gid=0 | 16:08 |
| erlon-airlong | OSC cinder progress | 16:08 |
| tommylikehu__ | sorry OSC is short for what? | 16:09 |
| erlon-airlong | stevemar said that Nova folks set that bar in 90% I think | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | I wonder if we can have a tag similar to DocImpact that would automatically file a bug for adding the new functionality into OSC. | 16:09 |
| thingee | tommylikehu__ openstack client | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | OpenStack Client | 16:09 |
| erlon-airlong | tommylikehu__: is the Openstack Client | 16:09 |
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| tommylikehu__ | got it | 16:09 |
| erlon-airlong | a version of cinder client, much better and consistent among projects | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | CLIImpact or something like that. | 16:09 |
| thingee | neutron requires an equivalent in osc in order for something to land in neutron | 16:10 |
| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: is there a way to track that flag? | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | erlon-airlong: We would need some help to set up some triggers, if that's something we want to do. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Do they have a way to enforce it? Or just reviewers watching for it? If you happen to know... | 16:11 |
| erlon-airlong | thingee: yes, if we agreed this is a requirement fo new features we can always ask people | 16:11 |
| thingee | smcginnis depends-on probably? | 16:11 |
| thingee | this is a solved problem that I've enforced for documentation before features land | 16:11 |
| thingee | just requires us as a community to get behind the goal | 16:12 |
| erlon-airlong | thingee: smcginnis: but people will still have to watch on that, which I don't think is a problem | 16:12 |
| erlon-airlong | thingee: +1 | 16:12 |
| thingee | erlon-airlong cinderclient change won't land until the other osc change lands. | 16:12 |
| thingee | requires no watching. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | I'm not sure I would want the depends-on for an osc patch to block our changes. | 16:13 |
| scottda | I agree with that smcginnis | 16:13 |
| erlon-airlong | thingee: I mean, someone will need to assure that the depends are in the patch | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | If something gets caught up in debating parameter naming like we've had with some of the other ones, I don't want that to block the whole thing. | 16:13 |
| thingee | will then get good at watching changes | 16:13 |
| thingee | can't have it both ways | 16:13 |
| thingee | erlon-airlong boohoo :) | 16:13 |
| eharney | isn't it enough to have submitted a change to osc rather than requiring it to have landed? | 16:14 |
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| thingee | eharney I think that's the other option that was just proposed | 16:14 |
| erlon-airlong | I think the depend could be only from cinderclient to OSC, so no cinderclient command lands before OSC | 16:14 |
| erlon-airlong | OSC equivalent | 16:14 |
| thingee | true. also pythonsdk | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | cinderclient needs the changes to land first. | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | not to derail.... | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:15 |
| thingee | smcginnis I think erlon-airlong just established that | 16:15 |
| Swanson | jgriffith, but you're gonna! | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | wouldn't the proper strategy if we're doing this be "no new stuff in cinderclient" period | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Opposite: "so no cinderclient command lands before OSC" | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: well yeah!!! :) | 16:15 |
| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: is there a requirement for cinderclient today? | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: no I mean no more cinderclient | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | deprecate it | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | everything new goes in OSC | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | period | 16:16 |
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| thingee | jgriffith +1 but people resisted that idea because it doesn't have all the features | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | Oh, but OSC still uses cinderclient | 16:16 |
| Swanson | And a million customer scripts cry out in terror and are suddenly silenced | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | I've stated I don't want to deprecate cinderclient until osc has caught up. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | honestly the OSC model is broken | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: not at all | 16:16 |
| scottda | Also, brickclient-ext won't have support in OSC | 16:16 |
| diablo_rojo | Wasnt there some rationale about keeping cinderclient for standalone cinder too? | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: I'm talking "new" features | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | existing stuff still works | 16:16 |
| diablo_rojo | scottda: That too | 16:16 |
| erlon-airlong | jgriffith: but that can change without major impact to the user, just change the internals | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | so actually my proposal still kinda works | 16:17 |
| diablo_rojo | jgriffith, is OSC completely and horribly broken? ;) | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | erlon-airlong: right | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | Definitely do not want to deprecate cinderclient yet. | 16:17 |
| erlon-airlong | jgriffith: the important think is use the standards defined by OSC team | 16:17 |
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| thingee | anyways I'm done talking about cinderclient versus osc. OSC is forward thinking and where I will be continuing to contribute. | 16:17 |
| Swanson | jgriffith, works for me. although I don't know why osc doesn't just have a "cinder" command that just calls cinder client. (I'm simple.) | 16:17 |
| thingee | something actually usable. | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo: I don't think so but the model of it using the python-xxxxclients to replace the python-xxxclients is sort of... umm... well.... | 16:17 |
| xyang2 | erlon-airlong: can you add groups to your doc and add my name there | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | I highly encourage it, I just don't want to abandon cinderclient until we've worked a few more things out. | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: it does! But it wraps it up into a consistent cli format | 16:18 |
| diablo_rojo | jgriffith, I know, I was making a bingo reference ;) | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo: HA!!!! | 16:18 |
| diablo_rojo | jgriffith, its a DuncanT quote | 16:18 |
| erlon-airlong | my proposal is, when OSC gets 90% compatibility, we start requiring all features to have first OSC implementation, when it catchs up cinderclient, then we start deprecating it | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: ++ | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo: YES, I recognize it now... I can actually hear DuncanT in my head saying it!!! | 16:18 |
| erlon-airlong | xyang2: stevemar is the owner, Ill ask him | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo: it's like a looped repeat | 16:19 |
| scottda | erlon-airlong: It looks like we are already at 85% . Why wait until 90%? | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +2 | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | A Duncan earworm. Nooooo!!! | 16:19 |
| erlon-airlong | scottda: Its just a number people will easily agree | 16:19 |
| erlon-airlong | scottda: for me 85% is OK | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: At one point we were tracking parity between python-cinderclient and OSC. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Is that still being done? | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: scottda erlon-airlong I know it kinda sucks but if we're saying we're going to do this it's really the only way to just make it happen don't you think? | 16:20 |
| xyang2 | erlon-airlong: ok, thanks | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18ZtWC75BNCwFqLfFpCGGJ9uPVBvUXX0xuXP1yYG0NDA/edit#gid=0 OSC progress | 16:20 |
| scottda | jungleboyj: I think that spreadsheet does the tracking ^^^ | 16:20 |
| erlon-airlong | scottda: 85% is v1, v2 is 70% | 16:20 |
| diablo_rojo | jgriffith, glad you caught up ;) | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Cool. Thank you. | 16:20 |
| thingee | jgriffith +1 | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo: I may be slow, but I sure ain't fast! | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I fully support having one consistent interface with OSC. But I'm not 100% sold on not also having a second option with cinderclient. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | What is nova doing? | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | At least until we figure out the brick plugin, stand alone options, etc. | 16:21 |
| thingee | smcginnis it's not just you that gets to make the decision though. there are others here making progress that would like to move forward. | 16:21 |
| * jungleboyj marks his Bingo card. | 16:21 | |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: they're already removing things from novaclient | 16:21 |
| scottda | What do operators think of this? | 16:21 |
| erlon-airlong | jgriffith: yes, if we dont do something to make that happen, OSC folks will always be behind cinderclient | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | thingee: I know, just stating my opinion. | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | Ohh snap! You guys got me again | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: Good question. | 16:21 |
| diablo_rojo | scottda, seconded | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | honestly does that matter? | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | If folks want to say screw operators, let's just kill cinderclient CLI today and start pointing people at OSC. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | OSC is a cross-project thing that's kinda been decided at this point I think isn't it? | 16:22 |
| scottda | It does if OSC is a PITA For them, and they'd like cinderclient to stick around a while longer. | 16:22 |
| waj334 | Is V3 a priority for the openstack client? | 16:22 |
| thingee | smcginnis wow you escalated that quite a bit. I'm not sure you've been following discussion here | 16:23 |
| thingee | let me restate | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: TBF I'm certainly not saying go to the extreme that Nova went to and start deprecating stuff (that sucks and I hate it) | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Hah, not escalating, just restating. :) | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: I'm just saying that new stuff CLI pieces would go in OSC | 16:23 |
| clarkb | as an operator if I have to use $projectcleint instead of osc with already understands my clouds.yaml files and so on I have a sad | 16:23 |
| thingee | smcginnis this is not productive. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Yeah, that seems counter productive. | 16:23 |
| thingee | we want to actively be enforcing people to carry changes to osc. | 16:23 |
| thingee | that can't happen until we make a decision | 16:23 |
| clarkb | I still use the other tools when necessary but it creates a huge speedbump in productivity while I go sort out how this different tool is different in all the ways | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: We've made the decision though. We are working on getting OSC to parity with cinderclient. And when that's done we will discuss deprecating cinderclient. | 16:24 |
| thingee | smcginnis again, that's not what I said | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:24 |
| bswartz | I don't want to see python-cinderclient replaced or turned into a second class citizen | 16:24 |
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| erlon-airlong | clarkb: what causes a speed bump the use of OSC? | 16:24 |
| bswartz | parity seems like a good goal to me | 16:24 |
| clarkb | erlon-airlong: no the use of eg cinderclient while I figure out how to tell it how to use $cloud | 16:25 |
| thingee | read carefully: not catch up, we need to ACTIVELY with new changes coming in as for a OSC equivalent | 16:25 |
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| clarkb | erlon-airlong: which is different than how $otherprojectclient does it | 16:25 |
| scottda | Parity seems reasonable. And adding new CLI features to OSC. | 16:25 |
| erlon-airlong | bswartz: that is my point we need to get parity, and them move forward | 16:25 |
| clarkb | its nice with OSC to be able to configure a cloud once and use all the apis | 16:25 |
| bswartz | scottda: add new features to both IMO | 16:25 |
| thingee | with that said, I'm fine asking in this in active reviews. | 16:25 |
| erlon-airlong | clarkb: thats is just a question of habit, Im use both, and believe OSC was muuch easier to get used | 16:26 |
| clarkb | erlon-airlong: its about consistency. osc is good because its consistent | 16:27 |
| erlon-airlong | clarkb: I want to hit my head in the table every time I have to ask cinder help because it does not have completion | 16:27 |
| clarkb | (now all of that doesn't meanyou have to get rid of cinderclient as its own cli thing) | 16:27 |
| clarkb | I just think making osc work well is important | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | clarkb: +1000 | 16:28 |
| erlon-airlong | clarkb: I dont think is reasonable to have the 2 clients updated and supported forever | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | erlon-airlong: I don't think anyone is proposing that. | 16:28 |
| thingee | erlon-airlong I agree. but it seems like that's the road we're going down | 16:28 |
| erlon-airlong | clarkb: 1 - Make OSC to work, 2 - Deprecate cinderclient | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Who is saying that? | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Not at all! | 16:29 |
| thingee | so I'm fine with asking this in current reviews. and the community can continue to deal with this conflict until we want to revisit this subject. | 16:29 |
| bswartz | erlon-airlong: I don't think it's reasonable to have eleventeen different disros of linux, but this is open source, so we do | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | erlon-airlong: That's been the plan, from what I understood. | 16:29 |
| bswartz | as long as people are interested in maintaining both, they'll stay around | 16:30 |
| erlon-airlong | bswartz: sure, but not officially as Openstack, as this is already decided | 16:31 |
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| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: so my proposal is to have a target line where we can say we have 1 finished, and move to phase 2 | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | erlon-airlong: I think that would help to have a subset targeted to focus on. | 16:32 |
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| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: what you mean by subset? | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | Phase 1: [set of commands to target], phase 2: [next set of commands to target], etc. | 16:33 |
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| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: yes but if people dont stop adding new cinderclient commands, you fall in endless phases | 16:34 |
| thingee | erlon-airlong I've already stated I'm fine with asking for them in reviews | 16:34 |
| thingee | and I would encourage others to | 16:35 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis, jgriffith: I thought at the summit during that make cinder service standalone session, someone mentioned concerns from Ironic on having to install OSC when only cinderclient is needed? | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | thingee: +1 | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: Yep | 16:35 |
| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: I added some priorities based on what I think is more used by admins, so, people there will give priority to those | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | xyang2: yep, that's been a complaint of OSC by a number of folks | 16:35 |
| diablo_rojo | xyang2 +1 | 16:35 |
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| thingee | and I will try to help build equivalents for others when I have time to do so | 16:35 |
| bswartz | xyang2: that's one of many arguments in favor of not deprecating python-cinderclient | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | erlon-airlong: We need to get parity first I think. New features are new, so less important IMO than making sure our core existing functionality is covered. | 16:35 |
| erlon-airlong | thingee: +1 | 16:35 |
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| thingee | smcginnis +1 | 16:36 |
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| thingee | erlon-airlong I don't remember what dtroyer said in austin for dealing with the ironic stuff | 16:36 |
| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: ok | 16:36 |
| gg213 | Wtf is cinder | 16:36 |
| thingee | lol | 16:37 |
| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: so, that means 100% of the current set of features | 16:37 |
| gg213 | Lol | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj | xyang1: Good point. Thanks for remembering that. | 16:37 |
| erlon-airlong | thingee: I dont think they did, at least while I was there | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | erlon-airlong: Or there abouts. Close enough that if cinderclient does go away (not that I'm proposing that right now) users are still able to do everything they need to with osc. | 16:37 |
| thingee | gg213 https://twitter.com/Thingee/status/790795487695613952/photo/1 | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | In austin I think the extent of it was "yeah, we should be able to do plugins" | 16:38 |
| gg213 | No I mean 200 of it will be given to advertisers and rest is going into stocks do I can't agree with this designer of yours | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | There was some talk of plugins in BCN as well. | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | Sounds like something that still needs to be a little more fully baked. | 16:38 |
| bswartz | #MakeCinderClientGreatAgain | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:38 |
| gg213 | It's raw | 16:38 |
| gg213 | And I like it | 16:39 |
| xyang2 | thingee: there are complaints to the new mascot, let's keep the old one:) | 16:39 |
| diablo_rojo | bswartz +1 | 16:39 |
| * thingee uses another irc server to discuss secret OSC plans. | 16:39 | |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:39 |
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| gg213 | We usually do not have to be a part of the most important thing is that the only thing I can do a lot of money to be made online and offline for you guys are doing well and that is the best | 16:39 |
| diablo_rojo | bswartz didn't you have a suggestion to just lop of half of the proposed logo? | 16:39 |
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| erlon-airlong | ok, so, can we agree in 100% of the features in that sheet and we encorage people to implement new features in OSC instead os cinderclient, or both, after we reach that, we make that a requirement? | 16:40 |
| thingee | clarkb, fungi can one of you kick the gg213 bot | 16:40 |
| gg213 | The things that are not the only thing that I can do a lot more for the first time in the morning tomorrow morning and evening and I will be a good idea to have a great time | 16:40 |
| bswartz | diablo_rojo: if you missed fort collins you won't get the joke | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ | 16:40 |
| gg213 | Lol bot | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | Both is my preference, but I definitely think more of a hard requirement once we are at parity. | 16:40 |
| erlon-airlong | thingee: maan I need that sticker! | 16:40 |
| gg213 | I need this dicker | 16:40 |
| gg213 | To shut it | 16:41 |
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| gg213 | Slaps all of u | 16:41 |
| scottda | I think smcginnis can boot people as meeing chair? | 16:41 |
| scottda | #help | 16:41 |
| gg213 | Stfu | 16:41 |
| gg213 | Is a good channel | 16:41 |
| gg213 | #stfu | 16:42 |
| gg213 | Haha | 16:42 |
| stevemar | fungi: ^ | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | OK, are we good on osc? | 16:42 |
| JayF | anteaya: jeblair: fungi: anyone ^^ | 16:42 |
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| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: saw my last question? | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | erlon-airlong: Sorry, no. | 16:42 |
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| stevemar | smcginnis: sorry just joined... i can answer any osc questions in -dev or -cinder | 16:42 |
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| eharney | osc uses code from cinderclient lib to actually implement features right? | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: So, what is the final plan right now. | 16:42 |
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| stevemar | eharney: correct, the python bindings for now, long term we want to use the openstacksdk project, but thats a while from now | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Strongly encourage adding to osc. cinderclient stays for now. Discuss again once we get close to same functionality in osc. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Thanks! | 16:43 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: a point about operators... we've seen a lot of support from operators and users for osc, they actually do like it | 16:43 |
| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: I think we agreed that we need to move towards OSC, we just need to state whats is the path and that we are really convergint to the point we want | 16:43 |
| bswartz | whoever banned gg213 did it by nick and not by IP so he/she/it will probably be back | 16:44 |
| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: ok | 16:44 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: we're aiming to have full parity in osc for ocata, so get ready to be bugged again in a few months :) | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: I do too. I just don't want to deprecate cinderclient until they are able to do everything they need to in osc. | 16:44 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: thats cool | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Good! :) | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Sounds good. Thanks for summarizing. | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: That's my take at least. :) | 16:44 |
| diablo_rojo | bswartz, I was definitely there. | 16:44 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: i'm assuming, even if deprecated, cinderclient's CLI will still be around for a year | 16:44 |
| erlon-airlong | stevemar: great! | 16:44 |
| stevemar | minimum | 16:45 |
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| smcginnis | stevemar: Yeah, I think so. | 16:45 |
| diablo_rojo | bswartz, I even told the foundation rep working with the designers the story...they didn't listen to me though. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: And we need to figure out how to handle our brick extension as well. | 16:45 |
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| stevemar | smcginnis: k, just iterating that in case folks think we're going to just rip it out without notice | 16:45 |
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| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: ok, for me thats all | 16:46 |
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| smcginnis | erlon-airlong: OK, thanks. stevemar too. | 16:46 |
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| stevemar | np | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:46 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: ;) | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | Anything else before we go? | 16:46 |
| erlon-airlong | stevemar: can you add xyang2 to the doc? | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | Never fails when I think it's going to be a quick meeting it takes most of the hour. | 16:47 |
| stevemar | erlon-airlong: sure, xyang2 got an email i can use? | 16:47 |
| xyang2 | xing.yang@dell.com | 16:47 |
| bswartz | thingee: on netflix there's no such thing as bad morning TV | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: +@ | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | +2 | 16:47 |
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| thingee | bswartz if you saw my tv habits... | 16:47 |
| xyang2 | stevemar: thanks | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | OK, my Jimmy John's is here and I think we're done. :) | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone! | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
| tbarron | bye | 16:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 2 16:47:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-11-02-16.00.html | 16:48 |
| karthikp | smcginnis: Are we not working on rolling upgrades features in this cycle? couldnt find a referebce | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-11-02-16.00.txt | 16:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-11-02-16.00.log.html | 16:48 |
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| smcginnis | karthikp: It's being discussed in testing meetings. | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | karthikp: That's pretty much it yet - making sure it has good test coverage so we feel comfortable saying it works. | 16:49 |
| karthikp | smcginnis: sure | 16:50 |
| karthikp | smcginnis: that would is monitored on a separate cidner testing pad? | 16:50 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Do you have that handy? ^^ | 16:50 |
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| scottda | karthikp: smcginnis Here's the cinder testing etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Cinder-testing | 16:56 |
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| scottda | But there's not much specific to rolling upgrades | 16:57 |
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| karthikp | scotta: smcginnis: thanks | 17:00 |
| krtaylor | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 2 17:00:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
| krtaylor | hello everybody | 17:00 |
| * krtaylor wonders if anyone is here for ironic-qa meeting | 17:01 | |
| joanna | hi | 17:01 |
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| krtaylor | hi joanna | 17:01 |
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| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | ok, we have a few | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:02 |
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| krtaylor | that's the agenda | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | I need to go in and clean that up, jlvillal does a great job making sure everyone knows the meeting status :) | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 17:03 |
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| krtaylor | any announcements? | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | ok moving on | 17:05 |
| krtaylor | #topic Multi-node testing | 17:05 |
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| krtaylor | looks like https://review.openstack.org/388239 merged | 17:06 |
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| krtaylor | any comments? | 17:06 |
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| mjturek | o/ sorry i'm late | 17:06 |
| * krtaylor thinks this may be a short meeting | 17:06 | |
| krtaylor | no worries | 17:06 |
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| krtaylor | ok, moving on then | 17:07 |
| krtaylor | #3rd Party CI | 17:07 |
| krtaylor | oops | 17:07 |
| krtaylor | #topic 3rd Party CI | 17:07 |
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| krtaylor | I still need to push a new revision on the CI doc outline, I am temped to strip it of everything | 17:08 |
| krtaylor | just so we can get it merged | 17:08 |
| krtaylor | then we can all start pushing chapters | 17:08 |
| mjturek | +1 from me, I think it's a bit misleading to have some sections fleshed out | 17:08 |
| krtaylor | hopefully I won't get too much more pushback on the content and it will merge | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | yes, they are not complete by any means | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | any CI topics or questions? | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | yep, this may set a new meeting record :) | 17:10 |
| mjturek | open discussion? | 17:10 |
| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 17:10 |
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| krtaylor | mjturek, now :) | 17:10 |
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| mjturek | i'd like to mention that we're making molten iron more driver agnostic | 17:10 |
| mjturek | and that thanks to hamzy it's its own project now | 17:11 |
| * mjturek grabs link | 17:11 | |
| mjturek | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/molteniron | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/molteniron | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | there was a good discussion on MoltenIron at summit | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | any improvement/fix patches welcomed | 17:14 |
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| mjturek | yes please :) | 17:14 |
| krtaylor | ok, so if there isn't anything else, we'll make this a short one | 17:15 |
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| krtaylor | ok, thanks everyone, I suspect we'll have the normal crowd of folks next week | 17:16 |
| mjturek | thx\ | 17:16 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 17:16 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 2 18:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Hi guys | 18:00 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | Hi Bin | 18:01 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | Hi Jeff | 18:01 |
| jinli | Hi everyone | 18:01 |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:01 |
| georgk | #info Georg Kunz | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Jin | 18:01 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info Jeff Collins | 18:01 |
| NikoHermannsEric | #info Nikolas Hermanns | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Georg | 18:01 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Niko | 18:01 |
| juanmafg | #info Juanma Fernandez | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | Hi Juanma, welcome on board | 18:01 |
| tomhambleton | #info Tom Hambleton | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Hi Tom | 18:02 |
| tomhambleton | Hi | 18:02 |
| kamal___ | #info Kamal Hussain | 18:02 |
| juanmafg | Hi | 18:02 |
| juanmafg | thanks | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | Hi Kamal | 18:02 |
| kamal___ | Hi Bin | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #info No update | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #topic Summary of OpenStack Summit | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #info We have had great demonstration and discussion last week in Barcelona | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #info Many participants showed their proof-of-concept of Gluon with various SDN controllers in their booths | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | #info We also had good discussion in join Nova-Neutron session | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-neutron-session | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | #info above link is the etherpad of join Nova-Neutron session. And Gluon discussion is at the end | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | #info The feature "Add the information Nova requires for a port to the port itself" will be pursued | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390513/ | 18:06 |
| krenczewski | Hi all | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info And another feature "Late allocation of IPs during VIF binding" is already supported in Newton | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390511/ | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #info we need to test and verify it | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #info Ian will follow up, and also work on related pieces in Neutron | 18:08 |
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| bh526r | #info We also worked out our Ocata work plan on Friday | 18:08 |
| bh526r | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-gluon-work-plan | 18:08 |
| bh526r | #info Above link gives tasks, comments and assigned resources | 18:09 |
| bh526r | Anything more from summit you want to add? | 18:09 |
| NikoHermannsEric | Ok from my side | 18:10 |
| bh526r | Great. Let's switch gear to review patches | 18:10 |
| bh526r | #topic Patch Review | 18:10 |
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| NikoHermannsEric | Bin, did you add sfc to the agenda? | 18:10 |
| bh526r | #info Jin's patch "Test Case Proposal" | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388821/ | 18:11 |
| bh526r | I think Paul had some comments. Jin, will you be able to address Paul's comments? | 18:11 |
| bh526r | Niko - at the end. | 18:12 |
| bh526r | Brady also said he may not join us | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #info Jin is not available. So move on to next patch | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | #info Tom's Patch "Example Shim Server Improvements" | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390019/ | 18:13 |
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| jinli | yes, I will respond to Pauls | 18:14 |
| bh526r | #info It's sitting there for almos 2 weeks, no comments | 18:14 |
| bh526r | Cool, thank you Jin | 18:14 |
| bh526r | #info I suggest we merge it. I already gave +2 | 18:14 |
| bh526r | If no objection, can Niko or Kamal +2 and merge it? | 18:15 |
| kamal___ | which one? 388821? | 18:16 |
| bh526r | 390019 | 18:16 |
| bh526r | The Shim Example Code one | 18:16 |
| tomhambleton | No objection from me :-) | 18:16 |
| bh526r | 388821 had comments from Paul, and -1. Jin will address Paul's comments | 18:16 |
| kamal___ | ok I will take a look at it today | 18:17 |
| bh526r | Thank you Kamal | 18:17 |
| bh526r | #info All agreed to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390019/ "Example Shim Server Improvements". Kamal will take a look and take action accordingly. | 18:17 |
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| NikoHermannsEric | yes | 18:18 |
| bh526r | #info Next Patch "WIP: Add unit tests for gluon/objects/base.py" | 18:18 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391894/ | 18:19 |
| bh526r | looks like no one had read it | 18:19 |
| tomhambleton | I have looked it over | 18:20 |
| bh526r | Great. Any comment? | 18:20 |
| tomhambleton | It looks really good. I plan to call him to discuss it in more detail | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | Cool. | 18:21 |
| bh526r | #info Tom has looked at it, and it looked really good | 18:21 |
| jinli | I looked at it also. I can do some simular test case to other packages | 18:21 |
| tomhambleton | There is some functionality in the base object that we are not using. So, some code cleanup could be done. | 18:21 |
| bh526r | #info Tom will call the author (Trevor) to discuss it in more detail before moving forward | 18:21 |
| bh526r | Sure, Tom. Perhaps let us have a code review session with him in a conference call bridge. Who else wants to be there? | 18:22 |
| jinli | I want to be there | 18:22 |
| NikoHermannsEric | For "WIP: Add unit tests for gluon/objects/base.py" I will do a longer review tomorrow. | 18:23 |
| bh526r | Thank you Niko. | 18:23 |
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| bh526r | #info Niko will also do a comprehensive review tomorrow | 18:24 |
| bh526r | #info Move on to next patch "First draft of port and service binding model for Gluon" | 18:25 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392250/ | 18:25 |
| georgk | this is mainly a trigger for discussion | 18:26 |
| bh526r | #info several comments indicated it is "Very crisp and concise document. Good job!" | 18:26 |
| georgk | don´t consider this a final solution, but add your thoughts to the patchset | 18:26 |
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| georgk | let´s different approaches there | 18:26 |
| georgk | +discuss | 18:27 |
| bh526r | :) | 18:27 |
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| bh526r | I assume everyone needs some more time to review it, and write comments | 18:28 |
| Jeffreyc42 | correct - for me atleast :) | 18:28 |
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| tomhambleton | Let's put this on the agenda for the voice conference next week. | 18:29 |
| bh526r | #info Everyone needs some more time to review it abd give comments. | 18:29 |
| bh526r | Yup | 18:29 |
| georgk | ok, agreed | 18:29 |
| bh526r | I think that's all of the new patches | 18:30 |
| bh526r | #info Jin will address Paul's comments on 38821 in a new patchset | 18:30 |
| bh526r | #info Everyone will take more time for comprehensive review on 391894 and 392250 | 18:31 |
| bh526r | Good | 18:31 |
| bh526r | #topic SFC Model | 18:32 |
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| bh526r | Niko, now it is SFC | 18:32 |
| bh526r | Will you give a brief introduction? | 18:32 |
| NikoHermannsEric | Ok | 18:32 |
| NikoHermannsEric | Basicly I would just like to start the dicussion about the SFC model in Gluon. | 18:33 |
| bh526r | Do you mean the SFC Proton? | 18:33 |
| NikoHermannsEric | I think we should come up with a model and discuss it in the community then | 18:33 |
| NikoHermannsEric | yes | 18:33 |
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| bh526r | Good idea, we should | 18:34 |
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| NikoHermannsEric | I think the best way to do it is to file an rst in the gluon repo | 18:34 |
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| NikoHermannsEric | in the same patch we would then have a model as well. | 18:34 |
| NikoHermannsEric | if that is merged the different shim could be started. | 18:34 |
| NikoHermannsEric | anybody has a different view? | 18:35 |
| juanmafg | Niko, are you thinking on having an SFC model based on the ietf draft? | 18:35 |
| juanmafg | or something different? | 18:35 |
| tomhambleton | Sounds like a good plan. | 18:35 |
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| NikoHermannsEric | we would start with the IETF SFC data model or the ETSI VNF Forwarding Graph | 18:36 |
| NikoHermannsEric | yes | 18:36 |
| NikoHermannsEric | juanmafg: yes | 18:36 |
| juanmafg | as far as I see there are quite a lot of models, one is suggested by IETF, another by ETSI and another completely different proposed by NEtworking SFC in Openstack | 18:36 |
| juanmafg | ok | 18:36 |
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| juanmafg | it sounds like a good thing | 18:37 |
| bh526r | For SFC, there are 2 different technologies: NSH-based (L2) and VPN-based (L3) | 18:37 |
| NikoHermannsEric | I think we need to understand them all and then find the right one for gluon | 18:37 |
| NikoHermannsEric | networking-sfc are they doing VPN-based? | 18:37 |
| NikoHermannsEric | juanmafg: can you give us more info there? | 18:38 |
| bh526r | Those are implementation choices. What we really need is the SFC Proton that is agnostic of the underlying implementation | 18:38 |
| bh526r | networking-sfc defines APIs, and those APIs are supposed to be agnostic of implementation | 18:38 |
| bh526r | But now the implementation of networking-sfc APIs are based on NSH (L2) | 18:38 |
| juanmafg | Niko, can you be more specific? | 18:39 |
| juanmafg | more info about the different interfaces? | 18:39 |
| bh526r | So whatever we propose in SFC Proton, we need to make sure the APIs can be implemented by NSH and VPN | 18:40 |
| NikoHermannsEric | yes, that is right | 18:40 |
| juanmafg | ok, it sounds like a good idea | 18:40 |
| NikoHermannsEric | I think we should not have a decision on that right now. I personaly don't have enough information for that | 18:40 |
| bh526r | I have a talk in Austin regarding 2 different technologies in SFC: https://www.openstack.org/videos/video/service-function-chaining-technology-analysis-and-perspective | 18:41 |
| bh526r | So Niko, perhaps when you work with Brady, Juan etc. on SFC Proton, just keep in mind the API agnostic of implementation | 18:43 |
| NikoHermannsEric | yes, that is the intention | 18:43 |
| bh526r | Great | 18:44 |
| bh526r | Do you have a draft proposal or just start to brainstorm? | 18:44 |
| NikoHermannsEric | I think Juan has | 18:44 |
| NikoHermannsEric | but I guess he will need more time for that. | 18:45 |
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| juanmafg | that's right | 18:45 |
| juanmafg | I know all the technologies and the interfaces | 18:45 |
| NikoHermannsEric | I think best idea is that we give him a bit of time, filing the rst and then we can comment etc. | 18:45 |
| bh526r | Cool. Of course to make it more mature | 18:45 |
| juanmafg | but still we have not done any comparisson or proposal for having a common API | 18:45 |
| juanmafg | this is just the first approach to Gluon | 18:46 |
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| bh526r | Cool. So SFC Proton is a good opportunity to have a common API | 18:46 |
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| NikoHermannsEric | yes I think so as well. The main goal should be to get sfc more aligned | 18:47 |
| bh526r | Take your time to think through it, and we look forward to see it | 18:47 |
| bh526r | That's right, more aligned | 18:47 |
| bh526r | It seems we are good | 18:48 |
| bh526r | #info Niko will work with Juan, Brady etc to have a common API of SFC that can be implemented by different technologies, such as NSH-based and VPN-based | 18:49 |
| bh526r | #info SFC Proton provides this good opportunity of alignment of SFC | 18:49 |
| bh526r | #info It will take some time to think through it. Once the draft is ready, it will be submitted for review | 18:50 |
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| bh526r | Great, we had good discussion. | 18:50 |
| bh526r | Anything else from anyone? | 18:51 |
| bh526r | #topic AOB | 18:51 |
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| bh526r | #info Nothing else | 18:51 |
| bh526r | If nothing else, we can adjourn the meeting | 18:52 |
| bh526r | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:52 |
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| bh526r | Thank you everyone, and talk to you next time. | 18:52 |
| bh526r | Bye | 18:52 |
| NikoHermannsEric | thanks! | 18:52 |
| tomhambleton | Bye All! | 18:52 |
| Jeffreyc42 | bye | 18:52 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 2 18:52:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-11-02-18.00.html | 18:52 |
| NikoHermannsEric | bye | 18:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-11-02-18.00.txt | 18:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-11-02-18.00.log.html | 18:52 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 20:59 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 2 21:00:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | here | 21:00 |
| dmorita | Hi | 21:00 |
| mmotiani | hi | 21:00 |
| hurricanerix | o/ | 21:00 |
| ntata | hello | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| cutforth | o/ | 21:00 |
| hosanai | o/ | 21:00 |
| sgundur | hi | 21:00 |
| pdardeau | hi | 21:00 |
| nadeem | o/ | 21:00 |
| bkeller` | o/ | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:00 |
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| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| torgomatic | . | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | welcome everyone | 21:01 |
| notmyname | I hope those who were in Barca got home ok, and for those not there, you were missed | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | agenda fro this week is at | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | #topic Note the time change | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | we're in that fun part of the year where various governments tell us to change our clocks | 21:02 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:02 |
| notmyname | I think the EU changed last weekend. the US changes this coming weekend | 21:02 |
| joeljwright | is clayg using that as an excuse? | 21:02 |
| notmyname | remember that our meeting is at 2100UTC (which doesn't change) | 21:03 |
| notmyname | please note your current timezone and adjust your calendar as needed | 21:03 |
| notmyname | for me, next week's meeting will be 1 hour earlier (1pm pacific) | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | also, something that has helped me is to know that Iceland's timezone is GMT+0 and they don't change throughout the year. so repeating events scheduled at UTC can be set to Iceland time | 21:04 |
| notmyname | (eg google calendar doesn't support setting something to UTC) | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | ^i do that thing too | 21:05 |
| notmyname | I think Ghana does the same thing | 21:05 |
| notmyname | IIRC, the northern winter / souther summer will actually make meeting times slightly easier for most people | 21:05 |
| notmyname | ok, that's enough about that :-) | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | #summit retrospective | 21:06 |
| notmyname | let's talk about last week's summit! | 21:06 |
| notmyname | I want to cover good things, bad things, things to improve, summary of topics for people who weren't there (each in turn) | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | so first up... | 21:07 |
| notmyname | how was it? what did you like about last week's summit? | 21:07 |
| jrichli | I liked having a design summit :-) | 21:07 |
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| jrichli | the rooms were a good size | 21:08 |
| notmyname | I liked the solid two days we had for the design summit. I thought it flowed pretty well (and they had to kick us out at the end) | 21:08 |
| acoles | sorry I'm late (just remembered clock change) | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | acoles: glad you made it :-) | 21:08 |
| notmyname | acoles: just talking about the summit. first question: what did you like? | 21:08 |
| tdasilva | it was great to see so many devops engaged in the discussion and providing their feedback | 21:09 |
| acoles | that ^^ | 21:09 |
| acoles | really good to have a design discussion and be able to turn to an op and ask their opinion | 21:09 |
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| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:09 |
| joeljwright | +1 | 21:09 |
| notmyname | yeah, having two ops sessions were good | 21:09 |
| acoles | e.g. on replication/golang and on keymaster v2 | 21:10 |
| kota_ | +1 | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | TBH I think one of my favorite parts of the week was simply exploring barcelona with other swift people :-) | 21:11 |
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| jrichli | +1 | 21:11 |
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| tdasilva | yeah, barça was pretty cool, food was great | 21:11 |
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| joeljwright | I don't remember much exploring… lots of eating and drinking… not much exploring | 21:11 |
| acoles | my body has not yet forgiven me for the late nights! | 21:12 |
| jrichli | lol | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | for the conference parts, we had a lot of user stories and swift-related talks on tuesday | 21:12 |
| bkeller` | i took some photos of the monday before the summit, which includes many swift folk: https://www.flickr.com/photos/146035486@N03/albums/72157674298108501 | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | wednesday there were cross-project sessions. thursday and friday were design sessions | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | ah yes. I think acoles remembers that spiral staircase :-) | 21:13 |
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| acoles | notmyname: are we on to the what was bad topic already? ;) | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | lol | 21:13 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:13 |
| notmyname | ok, what could we have improved this week? | 21:14 |
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| acoles | I liked that Alexis came to the swift room and engaged in conversation with us over oslo things. | 21:14 |
| notmyname | acoles: yes, that was great! | 21:14 |
| tdasilva | oh, i missed that | 21:14 |
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| acoles | Alexis is an HPE colleague who I discovered has worked on oslo config and other things | 21:14 |
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| tdasilva | cool! | 21:14 |
| acoles | so some of us were able to explore exactly how that might ever work out for us | 21:15 |
| mattoliverau | Yeah he was cool | 21:15 |
| acoles | He also sits about 20 yards from me in Bristol | 21:15 |
| acoles | but I had never made the connection with oslo | 21:15 |
| notmyname | I hope some of those conversations bear fruit. I learned of some outdated misconceptions I had | 21:16 |
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| clayg | I was in opensack-meeting | 21:16 |
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| jrichli | lol | 21:17 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:17 |
| notmyname | so what are things you think we could work on? | 21:17 |
| notmyname | or things you wish had gone better | 21:18 |
| notmyname | I thought we could have moved the tables sooner and gotten into the room-ful of discussion just a little sooner | 21:18 |
| joeljwright | that ^ | 21:18 |
| bkeller` | we had the fishbowl saying the first thing to do was always to split the room in half, but then we didn't do it ourselves :p | 21:19 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:19 |
| clayg | notmyname: we did ok, mid morning on the first day | 21:19 |
| notmyname | yeah, I'm not sad about missed opportunity. just that we could have done it maybe 30 min earlier :-) | 21:19 |
| clayg | bkeller`: pics are great | 21:20 |
| notmyname | and I had higher hopes for some of the cross-project sessions. someone suggested to me that we (swift team) could facilitate a cross-project session at the PTG around something that we've learned and are still learning | 21:20 |
| clayg | next time when we say first thing we mean first thing! | 21:20 |
| notmyname | review times or prioritization or feature branches or somehting | 21:20 |
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| tdasilva | i missed not having a summary at the end of the discussion that took place, I feel we should write it down somewhere | 21:20 |
| acoles | maybe we could have had 30 mins at end of Friday to recap everything that was covered and the take aways/actions. | 21:20 |
| clayg | tdasilva: acoles: did you two plan that? | 21:20 |
| acoles | but, people were leaving so would have been incomplete | 21:20 |
| acoles | clayg: actually, we did ;) | 21:20 |
| clayg | i wish we could have had kota_ on Friday! | 21:21 |
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| tdasilva | lol | 21:21 |
| notmyname | ok, so here's the basic question: what do you want to do differently in atlanta at the PTG? so far I'm hearing "move tables sooner" and "make sure kota_ is there the whole time" | 21:21 |
| kota_ | clayg: that's what I was thinking I had mistaken :/ | 21:21 |
| kota_ | notmyname: thanks man | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | ok, so for those who weren't there last week, what would you like a brief summary on? | 21:23 |
| jrichli | since PTG takes place of hackathon, maybe we should do the dot method for picking topics for the week? will we have more than 2 days? | 21:23 |
| * notmyname will also be adding those to his notes | 21:23 | |
| notmyname | jrichli: I think we'll have 3 days. in that case, dots will work well | 21:24 |
| bkeller` | i did like the dot method, although it took half the day just to get our dots in order | 21:24 |
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| clayg | maybe at the PTG we could square the dots during the corss project meetings or so | 21:25 |
| clayg | I think the part that takes a while is "what did we forget to put on the etherpad that people acctually here want to talk about?" | 21:25 |
| clayg | putting stickers up is 15-20 mins once you know what all the papers/topics are acctually about | 21:25 |
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| mattoliverau | So we just need to do a better job of finalising the etherpad before day 1 of swift sessions | 21:26 |
| clayg | but i'm sure the papers and lists do make it easier for notmyname to track down summary's and statuses of the weeks discussion | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: I think we're pretty good with that for summits. for hackathons, we're generally more in-the-moment for scheduling. different tactics for different events | 21:27 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: i think that would mostly solve it - I think when you have a whole week and people are still jetlagged it's no bigs to spend the first morning on a more social activity - but we don't want to blow the first half of 3 days at the PTG | 21:27 |
| notmyname | so no summaries requested from anyone? | 21:27 |
| clayg | so... on Monday/Tuesday - we're 100% cross project - except for the little bit of planning | 21:28 |
| acoles | we could do dot-like voting on etherpad before summit, but I like having physical reminders of topics and progress, like paper or post-its, when we are in a physical meeting | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: true, but I'm always jetlagged.. even if it was in Oz :P | 21:28 |
| clayg | lol | 21:28 |
| notmyname | TBH I'm not too worried about scheduling topics for the PTG. we did ok in Barca, and we'll do fine with the PTG. and we'll figure it out in the months between now and then | 21:28 |
| pdardeau | any updates from using encryption and EC out in the wild? | 21:28 |
| clayg | acoles: i agree, the physicallity is to good to pass up - I don't think it needs to happen before we have actual boots on the ground at the event - anything before that is premature | 21:29 |
| notmyname | IOW, we don't have to keep talking about the right way to to do dots on papers 4 months from now ;-) | 21:29 |
| clayg | pdardeau: encryption everything is awesome and fast - EC everything is broken and slow | 21:29 |
| notmyname | pdardeau: timburke shares some results in his talk with acoles. basically, if you use AES-NI, there's zero impact | 21:29 |
| notmyname | but yeah. what clayg said :-) | 21:29 |
| notmyname | much of the "EC is slow" was punted to "things will be better after we do golang repcon" | 21:30 |
| notmyname | :-/ | 21:30 |
| jrichli | OVH gave a talk about migrating and using EC in their 25PB cluster | 21:30 |
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| kota_ | jrichli: +1, that was great. | 21:30 |
| clayg | and aside from "we had to stop migrating to EC because rebalance was slow/inefficient" it was basically "EC is great!" | 21:30 |
| jrichli | :-) | 21:30 |
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| pdardeau | any big a-ha! moments? | 21:32 |
| jrichli | wrt to saying encryption is awesome and fast, I am not sure that we have heard from anyone who is using it in prod yet | 21:32 |
| tdasilva | cschwede had one but he said he would share once he figured out if it was working or not | 21:32 |
| acoles | OVH raised the "isolated re-incarnated fragment" problem - is there a launchpad bug for that? I would have liked to have found more time to discuss a solution for that. | 21:32 |
| clayg | acoles: oh shit your right | 21:33 |
| notmyname | jrichli: we've got people using it in prod. at least one now, and a few evaluating or about to use it | 21:33 |
| jrichli | oh, ok - great | 21:33 |
| mattoliverau | jrichli: looks a little scared now :P | 21:34 |
| notmyname | FWIW, etherpads are at | 21:34 |
| jrichli | lol. no ... | 21:34 |
| tdasilva | how was the discussion about barbican? | 21:34 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Ocata/Etherpads#Swift | 21:34 |
| acoles | git says to blame jrichli for encryption :P | 21:34 |
| acoles | tdasilva: it was good! | 21:34 |
| jrichli | git sometimes lies ;-) | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:34 |
| acoles | tdasilva: we had a good discussion of how we might achieve key rotation one day, and identified an incremental roadmap for exploring that | 21:35 |
| acoles | ugh, is a roadmap ever incremental? sorry for that! | 21:36 |
| acoles | tdasilva: initial goal being to rotate per-account keys, that probably being non-trivial to start with | 21:36 |
| tdasilva | so is mathias already looking into storing multiple keys in barbican? or are the per-account keys derived from the root key | 21:37 |
| tdasilva | ? | 21:37 |
| mathiasb | tdasilva: just a single root key in barbican for the moment | 21:37 |
| clayg | acoles: per-account keys would be useful for instant secure delete too - even w/o rotation | 21:38 |
| jrichli | I wasn't able to be in that discussion. Are plans to provide a summary? | 21:38 |
| tdasilva | mathiasb: hi! | 21:38 |
| notmyname | yes I too would ask that we each go through the etherpads and add notes to the various topics | 21:38 |
| notmyname | it will help us all stay together | 21:38 |
| mathiasb | jrichli: I put a summary of the discussion here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/ideas/keymaster_v2 | 21:38 |
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| jrichli | great, thx! | 21:39 |
| acoles | jrichli: clayg yes writing some notes down might be more accurate than me trying to replay the discussion here, I think I might confuse matters | 21:39 |
| mathiasb | I can add them to the etherpad (as well) to make them easier to find | 21:39 |
| clayg | notmyname: i'll take it as a TODO to update the hummingbird section of whichever pad | 21:39 |
| acoles | mathiasb: thanks! | 21:39 |
| notmyname | clayg: thanks! https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-swift-working-session-5 | 21:39 |
| notmyname | mathiasb: thanks | 21:39 |
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| mattoliverau | Only downside to splitting the room was there were alot of awesome discussions I wanted to sit in on, but had to make chocies. | 21:40 |
| jrichli | +1 | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: always | 21:40 |
| notmyname | ok, anything else to discuss about the summit? | 21:40 |
| mattoliverau | I'll take a look at the etherpads of the discussions I was involved in and see if theres anything I can add to them | 21:40 |
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| bkeller` | should we consider video recording some of the larger discussions? (like golang had the whole room) | 21:40 |
| bkeller` | or i guess it could make people worry about asking potentially silly questions/suggestions | 21:41 |
| notmyname | bkeller`: I feel like we should work on simply taking notes first | 21:41 |
| joeljwright | bkeller`: I'm more worried about the time taken to watch than reliving silly questions | 21:42 |
| clayg | bkeller`: yeah I think a summary based on notes concensus is almost always going to be more useful to me than a video for this kind of thing | 21:42 |
| clayg | joeljwright: did you know most youtube videos can be watched at double playback speed!? | 21:42 |
| joeljwright | clayg: I did, and it's really funny | 21:43 |
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| acoles | bkeller`: I'd be concerned that people might feel inhibited | 21:43 |
| notmyname | ok, no videos | 21:43 |
| bkeller` | yep, that's fine | 21:43 |
| notmyname | let's move on to the next topic | 21:43 |
| notmyname | last call for summit discussions? | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:44 |
| clayg | bkeller`: on the bright side the *idea* of video recordings of design sessions will be preserved forever in irc logs | 21:44 |
| notmyname | #topic patches/bugs before the next release | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | before the summit, we were trackign a few bugs to land before cutting a release. and wanting to cut a release to get the fixes available | 21:45 |
| notmyname | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1633647 | 21:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1633647 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "bad fragment data not detected in audit" [Critical,Fix released] | 21:45 |
| notmyname | has laneded | 21:45 |
| notmyname | but https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1624088 has not | 21:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1624088 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "EC missing durable can prevent reconstruction" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:45 |
| clayg | because it was *awesome* | 21:45 |
| mattoliverau | nice | 21:45 |
| notmyname | patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376630/ | 21:45 |
| clayg | i forget why that one isn't merged - it's probably awesome too | 21:45 |
| notmyname | has a +2 from tdasilva (thanks!). needs another | 21:45 |
| clayg | nm, i tae it back Co-Authored-By: Clay Gerrard | 21:45 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:46 |
| acoles | nothing can be perfect | 21:46 |
| acoles | ;-) | 21:46 |
| notmyname | clayg: he did that ambiguous thing again! | 21:46 |
| tdasilva | heh | 21:46 |
| clayg | the diff on code is *tiny* - just include some inscrutable json in a header and vioala! 200+ lines of test diff prove it's better | 21:47 |
| notmyname | yup :-) | 21:47 |
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| acoles | thanks kota_ clayg tdasilva for merging 376630, I am part way through preparing the backports | 21:47 |
| notmyname | this is the only critical bug that's being tracked right now, so IIRC, when this one lands we can cut a release | 21:47 |
| timburke | what could go wrong? | 21:47 |
| timburke | notmyname: so what's the timeframe on a client release? | 21:48 |
| acoles | or was it timburke I should thank? thanks everyone! | 21:48 |
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| clayg | sounds good - I'm not sure there's any other critical bugs that we have in fligth to fix? | 21:48 |
| notmyname | you read my mind :-) | 21:48 |
| notmyname | I will be looking into a client release asap too. the keystone session support that landed is great, and we shoudl release that soon | 21:48 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:48 |
| timburke | that's why i ask :-) | 21:49 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:49 |
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| joeljwright | timburke: do we want to try landing the keystone session supoprt for v1 auth too? | 21:49 |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up this week? | 21:49 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: good question | 21:49 |
| timburke | joeljwright: i'd love to | 21:49 |
| timburke | but i also don't view it as a blocker | 21:49 |
| joeljwright | good point | 21:49 |
| tdasilva | can we talk about a specific topic that was discussed during the summit, but still needs a resolution? | 21:49 |
| joeljwright | I will still get myself reviewing asap though | 21:49 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: yes. what's up? | 21:49 |
| mattoliverau | timburke: I was looking at your v1 patch on the plane, I'll try and finish up the review for it. | 21:49 |
| timburke | i just knew it'd be a necessary thing before we could ever hope to get rid of all the auth options in shell.py and only ever instantiate Sessions ourselves | 21:50 |
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| timburke | thanks mattoliverau! | 21:50 |
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| tdasilva | a few of us (can't remember exactly who, acoles, timburke, jrichli) were talking about how we should go about landing symlinks | 21:50 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:50 |
| tdasilva | it is ready for review, but it would nice if there were a real client to use it, like versioning or tiering to test out the kinks | 21:51 |
| tdasilva | before being made available to users | 21:51 |
| tdasilva | so we talked about maybe landing on master and labeling it experimental | 21:51 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: as opposed to "just" functional and probe tests? | 21:51 |
| tdasilva | no, it has functional tests. It just that it is more of a foundational feature and we think it would be nice if "clients" put it to use | 21:52 |
| tdasilva | so that we could find issues with it | 21:52 |
| tdasilva | by landing it on master, it would make it easier for features like tiering and versioning to use it | 21:53 |
| notmyname | I'm not disagreeing. but what are you hoping to find that won't be found in functests? is it api design? | 21:53 |
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| tdasilva | but at the same time it opens up for backwards compatibility issues in the future | 21:53 |
| acoles | we discussed the backwards compatibility "cost" of discovering later that a feature isn't quite what a yet-to-be-finalised application needed, versus the "cost" of not merging a feature and having it languish as a patch | 21:53 |
| notmyname | yeah, makes sense | 21:54 |
| notmyname | what consensus did you come to last week? | 21:54 |
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| tdasilva | we talked about the pros and cons of landing on master as experimental | 21:54 |
| acoles | while it is not merged we keep talking (costing time and context swicthing) about it and applications have to base patches on a patch | 21:55 |
| tdasilva | not sure we came to a consensus, but personally i'm ok with it | 21:55 |
| tdasilva | because of what acoles jsut sais | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | what are the migration costs? is any data in it versioned? eg "this is a v1 symlink"? | 21:56 |
| clayg | tdasilva: lets' just maybe try to get a bunch of eyes on it - like really push folks to "hey! important foundational thing coming down! do you bit and try and make it good!" | 21:56 |
| acoles | I was leaning towards landing with an experimental label | 21:56 |
| acoles | clayg: yes, the more eyes now the better | 21:56 |
| mattoliverau | so if it lands as exeperimaental then we need to make sure we note that the API may change in future is documentation then. | 21:57 |
| kota_ | one thing | 21:57 |
| notmyname | kota_: yes? | 21:57 |
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| clayg | acoles: tdasilva: what's the review/change id? | 21:57 |
| acoles | and if it is not already well understood, make sure that people realise this is meant to be the enabling feature for tiering etc (I think, right?) | 21:57 |
| kota_ | in this week, i found something on isa-l | 21:57 |
| kota_ | now in discussion on fyi, https://github.com/01org/isa-l/issues/10 | 21:57 |
| tdasilva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232162/ | 21:57 |
| notmyname | kota_: right. I saw the github issue. thanks | 21:57 |
| notmyname | (on the symlinks topic) ok, for now, let's do that. get more +2s on it (like we did with other big stuff) | 21:58 |
| kota_ | notmyname: oh, you has already had, great. | 21:58 |
| notmyname | ah jrichli has a -1 on it | 21:58 |
| kota_ | sorry breaking the conversation. | 21:59 |
| clayg | kota_: so that latest diff to switch the vptr to the cauchy function? That works even with fragments encoded using the old function? | 21:59 |
| notmyname | kota_: no worries | 21:59 |
| jrichli | yes, i need to look into those failures | 21:59 |
| clayg | the matrix manipulation only comes into play when you're slicing around the errors right? | 21:59 |
| clayg | kota_: all the bytes are disk a full filled in matrix? the inversion issues don't come into play? | 21:59 |
| kota_ | clayg: you are talking in public :/ | 21:59 |
| notmyname | jrichli: tdasilva: ok, you two keep looking. when you say it's good (you're ready to +2), let the rest of us know to do more reviews. then when we have many, we'll land it | 22:00 |
| clayg | ... i thought that's why we were brining it up? | 22:00 |
| clayg | sorry | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | we're out of time in this room | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thanks, everyone, for working on swift | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | don't forget that meetings are at UTC2100, regardless of your timezone changes | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 2 22:01:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-11-02-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-11-02-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-11-02-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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