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| huzhj | #startmeeting daisycloud | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Nov 18 08:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is huzhj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: daisycloud)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'daisycloud' | 08:00 |
| huzhj | #topic Roll Call | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: daisycloud)" | 08:00 | |
| huzhj | #info Zhijiang | 08:00 |
| Zeyu | #info zeyu | 08:00 |
| luyao | #info luyao | 08:00 |
| huzhj | #topic OPNFV: Escalator Support | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OPNFV: Escalator Support (Meeting topic: daisycloud)" | 08:01 | |
| zhouya | #info zhouya | 08:01 |
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| huzhj | We are not only integrating escalator but also implenting escalator now :) | 08:02 |
| luyao | good | 08:03 |
| huzhj | sunjing: any statue update for this topic? | 08:03 |
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| huzhj | zhouya: also from your side | 08:03 |
| huzhj | Do we have kongwei connected? | 08:04 |
| sunjing | I have beginned to implement the escalator frame from daisy. | 08:04 |
| huzhj | #info daisy team not only integrating escalator but also implenting escalator now | 08:04 |
| zhouya | Sorry, kongwei is not in at the moment. | 08:04 |
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| huzhj | sunjing: Good | 08:05 |
| sunjing | Now the escalator service is up. | 08:05 |
| zhouya | I just read the code try to modify spec file and build a escalatorclient rpm | 08:05 |
| huzhj | sunjing: as intaller we need to know how to intall escalator | 08:05 |
| huzhj | zhouya: you mean you have got the latest code from sunjing? | 08:06 |
| sunjing | Next step ,I will try to work on the interface about how to call escalator for upgrade openstack. | 08:07 |
| zhouya | no,I just read the code myself | 08:07 |
| huzhj | I havn't got the code, sunjing, could you please release it as early as possible? | 08:07 |
| huzhj | so taht we can review | 08:07 |
| huzhj | sunjing: please contact kongwei on what api need to be done | 08:08 |
| huzhj | I do not think we need to impl upgrading api for this phase | 08:08 |
| sunjing | OK,there ara still some issue need to be modify.I will commit the code after the modify asap. | 08:08 |
| zhouya | great | 08:09 |
| zhouya | and we can query the version now? | 08:09 |
| huzhj | #info sunjing meet kongwei to discuss what api should be done for D release | 08:09 |
| sunjing | To huzhj: OK. I will contact kongwei . | 08:09 |
| zhouya | pbr problem has solved? | 08:09 |
| huzhj | zhouya: query version is an easy api, we can do it first | 08:10 |
| sunjing | We avoid the pbr problom. | 08:10 |
| zhouya | yes | 08:10 |
| zhouya | we now first query the escalator version or openstack version? | 08:11 |
| huzhj | zhouya: escalator to call into daisy to query the openstack version | 08:11 |
| sunjing | we need talk about these with kongwei,maybe. | 08:12 |
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| huzhj | So the next thing we need to do is to impl the api in daisy | 08:12 |
| zhouya | exactly | 08:13 |
| sunjing | escalator will call installer other than the opposite? | 08:13 |
| huzhj | sunjing: yes, escalator call installer | 08:13 |
| zhouya | @sunjing you mean installer call escalator? | 08:13 |
| huzhj | escalator sits on the top of installers | 08:13 |
| sunjing | OK.I got it. | 08:13 |
| zhouya | OK | 08:14 |
| huzhj | but escalator itself have to be installer by installer | 08:14 |
| huzhj | but escalator itself have to be installed by installer | 08:14 |
| sunjing | sounds odd | 08:14 |
| huzhj | Get version from inside a container is not easy | 08:14 |
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| huzhj | Zeyu , are you there? | 08:15 |
| Zeyu | yes | 08:15 |
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| huzhj | Since you are working on kolla , may be you can ask them how to get openstack component version our from a running container or image | 08:16 |
| huzhj | you know , the version info is wrapped by the container | 08:16 |
| Zeyu | maybe i can send email to the ptl of kolla to ask this quesstion | 08:17 |
| huzhj | not easy to get them | 08:17 |
| zhouya | the version cann't mapped to the outside of container? | 08:17 |
| huzhj | great. beware there are two type of versions | 08:17 |
| huzhj | one: version in a image, two: version in a running container | 08:18 |
| Zeyu | what do we need | 08:18 |
| huzhj | two is easy, for example , we can get it by calling docker exec... | 08:18 |
| huzhj | one is hard . | 08:18 |
| zhouya | yes,if so,we can get the version from docker exec. | 08:18 |
| huzhj | Zeyu: we may need them all | 08:18 |
| Zeyu | ok | 08:19 |
| huzhj | just like rpm | 08:19 |
| huzhj | no matter before or after installing a rpm , we can get its version | 08:19 |
| huzhj | So I think kolla image need the same character | 08:20 |
| Zeyu | this is a new feature | 08:20 |
| huzhj | totallu | 08:20 |
| huzhj | totally | 08:20 |
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| huzhj | #action Zeyu will send email to kolla team about the how to get openstack component version our from a running container or a static image | 08:21 |
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| huzhj | For support escalator, if we can not wait for this new feature, then we can first make a fake one. | 08:22 |
| zhouya | maybe fire a BP to kolla | 08:22 |
| huzhj | Yes | 08:23 |
| huzhj | OK, anything else for this topic? | 08:23 |
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| Zeyu | no | 08:23 |
| sunjing | no | 08:23 |
| zhouya | no | 08:23 |
| huzhj | #topic OPNFV: CI Progress | 08:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OPNFV: CI Progress (Meeting topic: daisycloud)" | 08:23 | |
| huzhj | luyao and Zeyu , what is new from your side about this? | 08:24 |
| luyao | now I can use common config to deploy nodes auto | 08:25 |
| luyao | by call deploy.sh | 08:25 |
| Zeyu | i commit the deploy job to OPNFV releng | 08:25 |
| Zeyu | based on luyao's script | 08:25 |
| huzhj | Good, so i think the rest thing is adding the virtual env to jenkins. | 08:26 |
| luyao | yes | 08:26 |
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| huzhj | This is an urgent task. as well as adding the bare metal env | 08:27 |
| Zeyu | you give me some advice about the deploy job, i have modified it | 08:27 |
| huzhj | zeyu: you mean this one:? https://gerrit.opnfv.org/gerrit/#/c/24459/ | 08:28 |
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| huzhj | #info Zeyu commit the deploy job to OPNFV releng | 08:29 |
| Zeyu | yes | 08:29 |
| huzhj | #info luyao confirm that we now can use common config file to deploy virtual nodes automatically | 08:29 |
| huzhj | Zeyu: I have +1 | 08:29 |
| Zeyu | I read the eamil sent by you about the functest, it seem that the functest job only runs in verify stage | 08:30 |
| huzhj | Sorry Zeyu, I think you are also working on escalator jjb which belongs to the prev topic. | 08:31 |
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| huzhj | Yes, functest smoke test can be run on both verify and merge. We Just choose one for time being. in future, if the time for deploy/test is not too long then we can consider run them on both phase. | 08:32 |
| Zeyu | but JOSE say that FUNCTEST_SUITE_NAME is only used by verify jobs in CI | 08:33 |
| huzhj | I guess his "verify" include both verify / merge | 08:34 |
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| huzhj | that is generalized verify | 08:34 |
| Zeyu | ok ,i konw | 08:34 |
| Zeyu | escalator jjb is still in modification, i am not sure about step | 08:35 |
| Zeyu | such as virtual deploy | 08:35 |
| huzhj | Zeyu: OK, let's talk about escaltor jjb offline. I can help | 08:36 |
| Zeyu | thanks | 08:36 |
| huzhj | luyao: could you please send email to Zhihui about adding virtual env to OPNFV after a successful deplyment? | 08:37 |
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| huzhj | We can show her the successful deployed env, the config file and the deply script. | 08:37 |
| huzhj | To let her know taht we are ready | 08:38 |
| huzhj | #action Zhijiang and Zeyu will working on impl jjb for escalator | 08:38 |
| luyao | yes | 08:38 |
| huzhj | Great | 08:39 |
| huzhj | #action luyao will send email to Zhihui about adding virtual env to OPNFV after a successful deplyment | 08:39 |
| luyao | I will sed email right now | 08:39 |
| huzhj | Great | 08:39 |
| huzhj | OK, anything else? | 08:39 |
| zhouya | no | 08:39 |
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| Zeyu | no | 08:40 |
| huzhj | #topic Core Code Abstraction | 08:40 |
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| huzhj | zhouya: Seems the CCA is done right? | 08:41 |
| zhouya | yes | 08:41 |
| zhouya | the core code abstraction is ok | 08:41 |
| huzhj | Excellent | 08:41 |
| luyao | good | 08:42 |
| huzhj | I saw a new feature comes in | 08:42 |
| zhouya | tempest and rebot has passed | 08:42 |
| huzhj | config file auto backup | 08:42 |
| zhouya | yes | 08:42 |
| zhouya | daisy config file suto backup | 08:42 |
| zhouya | auto backup | 08:42 |
| zhouya | I have contact qilongzhao to modify this | 08:42 |
| huzhj | Such task can be run by cron/logrotate sevice though. | 08:43 |
| zhouya | and he will modify the code to kick out the code from API layer | 08:43 |
| huzhj | The only reason they need it in daisy seems is to probide API | 08:43 |
| huzhj | provide API | 08:43 |
| zhouya | yes | 08:44 |
| huzhj | Good | 08:44 |
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| huzhj | Let him commit code by him self. zhouya, do not be the proxy :) | 08:44 |
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| zhouya | yes | 08:45 |
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| zhouya | all Teamers of daisy need to understand the process of new core code CI | 08:45 |
| huzhj | If currently he has problem about contributing code youcan help him | 08:46 |
| zhouya | And next they will commit core code to opensource | 08:46 |
| huzhj | Yes | 08:46 |
| huzhj | Anything else? | 08:46 |
| zhouya | no | 08:46 |
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| huzhj | #topic Newton | 08:47 |
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| huzhj | One thing comes to my mind , we need a CI environment dedicated to Newton | 08:47 |
| zhouya | yes | 08:47 |
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| huzhj | If we are lake of env, then may be we need a script to switch infrastructrure | 08:48 |
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| huzhj | #info we need a CI environment dedicated to Newton or need a script to switch infrastructrure | 08:49 |
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| huzhj | If nothing else , then that is all for today | 08:50 |
| huzhj | Let's warp up | 08:50 |
| huzhj | wrap up | 08:51 |
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| zhouya | OK | 08:51 |
| huzhj | Bye, guys | 08:51 |
| zhouya | bye | 08:51 |
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| luyao | by | 08:52 |
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| sunjing | bye | 08:52 |
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| huzhj | #endmeeting | 08:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Nov 18 08:53:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/daisycloud/2016/daisycloud.2016-11-18-08.00.html | 08:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/daisycloud/2016/daisycloud.2016-11-18-08.00.txt | 08:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/daisycloud/2016/daisycloud.2016-11-18-08.00.log.html | 08:53 |
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| dhellmann | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Nov 18 15:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping: ttx, dims, sigmavirus, tonyb, fungi | 15:00 |
| sigmavirus | Good morning! | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | sigmavirus : o/ | 15:00 |
| sigmavirus | \o | 15:00 |
| dims | o/ | 15:00 |
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| dhellmann | this is week R-14, and our agenda is in the etherpad as usual | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-relmgt-tracking | 15:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | #topic late ocata-1 milestone tags | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "late ocata-1 milestone tags (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:01 | |
| ttx | just added that to decide what to do with in-flight | 15:01 |
| ttx | and have an idea of who missed the call | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | I'm comfortable approving all of the requests that are up now (assuming they look ok) | 15:02 |
| ttx | (even vague) | 15:02 |
| * ttx looks them up | 15:02 | |
| dhellmann | I can make the list of who hasn't proposed a tag at all | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | unless someone else has time to do that today? | 15:02 |
| ttx | no hurry | 15:02 |
| sigmavirus | dhellmann: how does one do it? I could do it during the meeting perhaps | 15:02 |
| ttx | +1 on approving the in-flight stuff | 15:03 |
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| dhellmann | sigmavirus : it's a manual review of deliverables with cycle-milestone against what has been tagged or proposed | 15:03 |
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| dims | dhellmann : am booked solid for a few days... | 15:03 |
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| dhellmann | unfortunately, the fact that we moved the tag info out of governance makes it harder to get the list of cycle-with-milestones projects, because I haven't fixed the list-projects command yet | 15:04 |
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| ttx | we could do that sometimes next week | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | maybe that's what I'll work on this afternoon | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | yeah, no rush | 15:04 |
| ttx | like I said, no hurtry | 15:04 |
| ttx | hurry* | 15:04 |
| ttx | just that it might hide a deeper problem within those teams | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | were there any proposals that looked bad for any reason? the monasca folks have responded to the goal so I removed my -2 there | 15:05 |
| ttx | dhellmann: all lgtm | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | I haven't had a chance to review the others yet | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | good | 15:05 |
| ttx | adding +2 as we speak | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | cool | 15:05 |
| ttx | hrm | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | anything else on this topic? | 15:05 |
| ttx | 1.4.0.b1 | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | did that pass validation? | 15:05 |
| ttx | apparently yes | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | that's a bug | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | ok, well, they proposed it on time. let's see if they can turn around a fix quickly. | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | anything else? | 15:07 |
| ttx | lpuppet is not realty ocata-1 so no hurry | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | ah, yeah | 15:08 |
| ttx | zaqar lgtm | 15:08 |
| ttx | same for zaqar-ui | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | the puppet modules are an issue, because they have to land a patch to put the version inside their modules before we can tag it | 15:08 |
| ttx | mon,asca no hurry | 15:09 |
| ttx | since it's not ocata-1 either | 15:09 |
| ttx | was fooled by commit messages | 15:09 |
| ttx | I'm pretty sure they don't want it 'released' | 15:10 |
| ttx | and submitted ocata-1 by accident | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | it would be good to get some other input on the python-keystoneclient release, since we've gone back and forth on that one | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | I told stevemar I'd let them make the call, but I haven't seen an update | 15:10 |
| stevemar | yeah, been a busy week. its still on my list | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | oh, yeah, monasca is cycle-with-intermediary not cycle-with-milestones | 15:10 |
| ttx | I bet they just got confused with ocata-1 messaging | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | probably | 15:11 |
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| fungi | and i guess the monasca licensing clarifications are satisfactory from the release team's perspective now | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | I stopped reviewing when I saw they hadn't responded to the goals. I probably should have done the more thorough read-through | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | fungi : I thought that was resolved. we did release new newton versions with their updated license info. | 15:12 |
| fungi | yep, i saw. just confirming | 15:12 |
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| ttx | I propose we move on | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | yep | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | #topic goals progress report | 15:12 |
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| ttx | approved the zaqar ones | 15:13 |
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| dhellmann | I wanted to do a quick check on where some of our higher priority goals for this cycle stand | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | #info "move release tags from governance" is mostly done, except for cleaning up a few of our tools and coordinating with the project navigator team | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | #info "branch automation" spec has been approved, but coding has not started | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | I'm going to try to start that next week | 15:14 |
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| dhellmann | #info "new announcement mailing list" needs the infra change approved | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | ttx, anything else to report there? | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394418/ | 15:14 |
| ttx | blocked on ML creation | 15:15 |
| ttx | fungi: would appreciate review @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394418/ | 15:15 |
| ttx | then I can configure the list and unblock the rest of the patch chain | 15:15 |
| fungi | thanks, just pulled it up | 15:15 |
| ttx | I just workflow-1ed the rest of the patch chain since it got approved and should not merge until the ML is confiugured | 15:16 |
| ttx | (not just created but configured) | 15:16 |
| fungi | lgtm, approved | 15:16 |
| ttx | cool, ~30min until it's active ? | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | thanks, fungi | 15:16 |
| fungi | roughly. you should receive an admin e-mail to the specified address when it gets created | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | nice | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | I haven't looked at adding the signing key info to the newton or ocata pages of releases.o.o. Should I just add the key ID and fingerprint? Is there some way to link to the key? | 15:17 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: it's still high on my to do list, if you want to hold off | 15:17 |
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| fungi | or i can filter you the urls and stuff if you're in a hurry | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | fungi : oh, I thought adding the historical data was on my list. I'm happy to have you do it. :-)_ | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | dims said he was slammed this week, so I'm guessing that means he hasn't had time to start looking at adding links to signature files | 15:18 |
| dims | dhellmann : yep. i expect one more week like this... | 15:19 |
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| dhellmann | dims : ack, no worries, we have plenty of time | 15:19 |
| fungi | i think the plan was just to add them for all tarballs from this cycle onward, and ignore the ones from last cycle since we'd have to figure out how to pin the earliest date they started getting created | 15:19 |
| fungi | but if there's sufficient date metadata in there, maybe that's not hard | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yes, that's what I remember | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | I think we could get the date of a given release, but it would be relatively expensive to do that many git operations while building the site | 15:20 |
| fungi | i'll be switching the newton signing key out for the ocata one today. it's got enough infra-root signatures on it i'm comfortable. though if you want to wait the newton key isn't set to expire for another couple weeks | 15:21 |
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| fungi | #link https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xd47bab1b7dc2e262a4f6171e8b1b03fd54e2ac07&fingerprint=on | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | I think it's fine to go ahead and switch now | 15:22 |
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| dhellmann | although maybe wait until we finish tagging the first milestone, so they are all signed with the same key? | 15:23 |
| fungi | but anyway, feel free to follow the attestation instructions if you also want to sign it now | 15:23 |
| fungi | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/signing.html#attestation | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:23 |
| fungi | dhellmann: i'm happy to wait if you let me know when you want that done | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | monday? | 15:23 |
| fungi | monday it is. setting myself a reminder now | 15:23 |
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| ttx | I'll probably flip the switch on announcements on Monday too | 15:24 |
| ttx | i.e. announce new list before we start processing releases on it | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | great, thanks | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | excellent | 15:24 |
| ttx | rather than now | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | yes, we want folks to have time to subscribe | 15:24 |
| ttx | time being "1 day" but yes :) | 15:24 |
| dims | :) | 15:24 |
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| dhellmann | 1 > 0 | 15:24 |
| fungi | meh, there are archives too ;) | 15:25 |
| ttx | and digest by default ! | 15:25 |
| ttx | so at least 23 hours more | 15:25 |
| sigmavirus | fungi: I might ping you after the meeting to talk about twine uploads and signing them and such | 15:25 |
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| dhellmann | I've added a reminder to include the new mailing list info in the countdown email for next week, so that will be 2 messages about it | 15:25 |
| fungi | sigmavirus: yeah, i have a nice long story for you about why we're not going to bother | 15:25 |
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| fungi | (dstufft says he's ripping that feature out entirely with warehouse because it's useless) | 15:26 |
| sigmavirus | fungi: okay, there's a feature request over there that I wanted to discuss but, if you're not going to bother then it is moot :) | 15:26 |
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| sigmavirus | fungi: that is correct | 15:26 |
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| dhellmann | ttx, it looks like your patch to validate pre-version number use has landed. maybe recheck the monasca patch to trigger that? | 15:26 |
| sigmavirus | fungi: also off topic for here :) | 15:26 |
| sigmavirus | (and entirely my fault it came up ;) ) | 15:26 |
| ttx | dhellmann: on it | 15:26 |
| fungi | sigmavirus: sure, get up with me in #-infra if you have news on that front, thanks! | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | apevec pointed out that one of the puppet releases was tagged on the wrong branch recently, so if someone has time to look into validating that a release from a given branch is actually on that branch it would be good. I think we used to have logic for that, but it was buggy? | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | the puppet team will be proposing a new tag, if they haven't already | 15:27 |
| ttx | write me down on that. Might have time to work on it next week | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | thanks | 15:28 |
| ttx | add it to the ocata plan with my name | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | are there any other updates on tasks we've started? | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I'll do that after the meeting | 15:28 |
| ttx | dhellmann: pointers to review which should have failed would be useful | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ack, I'll pull that info together | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | moving on then | 15:29 |
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| dhellmann | #topic migration to storyboard | 15:29 |
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| ttx | I have to get something to do on Thanksgiving day after all | 15:29 |
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| dhellmann | diablo_rojo contacted PTLs recently asking for info about what storyboard lacks that would let us move over to it | 15:30 |
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| dhellmann | I've had a hard time with the UI myself in the past, through lack of time invested in learning it, but I wanted to see if anyone else had experimented and knew of things we would need that it doesn't have right now? | 15:31 |
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| dhellmann | for tracking our own work it seems fairly straightforward | 15:31 |
| ttx | the only "tasklist" we have is the ocata-plan | 15:31 |
| ttx | In /theory/ we could turn it into a set of stories | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | I'm also interested to see if we could use it to track the work project teams have to do during a cycle | 15:32 |
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| ttx | and use boards and all to get fancy | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | for example, a story or task or whatever for each milestone tag | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | and for the final release steps | 15:32 |
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| sigmavirus | that would be helpful for me | 15:33 |
| ttx | I'll readily admit than despite having created the damn thing I'm not a primary user | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | on the other hand, the spreadsheet dashboard we use for the final release work gives an easy to consume UI | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | and I'm not sure that special case is the sort of thing the storyboard team is interested in building | 15:33 |
| sigmavirus | I haven't seen the spreadsheet so that may be better :) | 15:33 |
| fungi | up side is that the api is pretty robust, so could autocreate and associate all those stories/tasks/worklists with a script | 15:33 |
| ttx | I think SToryboard is most useful once you have tasks that are shared with other teams | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | perhaps the biggest thing lacking is documentation about how to use it, though maybe that has been improved since the last time I looked | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yes, that's definitely a nice feature | 15:34 |
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| ttx | i.e. if we would have an ocata-1 story and create tasks in every -with-milestones project task lists for them to tag it... I could see that as useful | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I'm still having trouble fitting a list of work to the data model of the app. What's a story? What's a board? What's a task? | 15:34 |
| fungi | there has been a lot of documentation work going on, though one of the design concepts is that for the webui it should be self-documenting rather than relying on a separate external prose manual | 15:34 |
| ttx | then you have a way to "push" work to them and track completion | 15:34 |
| ttx | story = Bug in LP | 15:34 |
| ttx | task = BugTask in LP | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | fungi : the search box is still too magic for me to feel like I can get it to do what I want. I'm thinking docs like gerrit has for its search features. | 15:35 |
| ttx | Board are a way to list tasks (think like tags/milestones in LP) | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | although maybe the search is less powerful, and I'm expecting more than is implemented | 15:35 |
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| ttx | (those are actually tasklists, and then you can arrange several tasklists in a Trelmlo-like kanban board | 15:35 |
| fungi | story also can be a (more flexible) equivalent of a blueprint in lp | 15:35 |
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| ttx | to be fair, it's difficult for us to use it unless everyone else uses it | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | ttx: right, so for your milestone example I could see implementing that both as a story and as a board. it's not clear how to choose. | 15:36 |
| fungi | dhellmann: right, i believe the search box shares its syntax with the search api, so maybe we could link to that part of the api socumentation | 15:36 |
| fungi | documentation | 15:36 |
| ttx | We'd use it as a coordination tool, and you can't get coordination until everyone uses it | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:37 |
| ttx | so we are not the best group to convince first | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | well, we could theoretically put our own tasks into it | 15:37 |
| ttx | I'd say that Ocata-1 is a story for us and a milestone for others. | 15:37 |
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| fungi | on the flip side, we would want to make sure that if all other teams moved from lp to sb, the release team wouldn't find itself unable to operate | 15:37 |
| ttx | i.e. we'd crrate a "Publish Ocata-1" story, with tasks for every project that need a tag created | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | the thing I'm afraid of, given my bad experiences with search, is "losing" a task if we decide to deprioritize it | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | so it's not in a board or whatever we're using for tracking | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | fungi : this team doesn't use lp at all right now, so I think that wouldn't be an issue | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | we really just use the -plan and -tracking etherpads | 15:38 |
| ttx | then projects are free to use that task in any board they use to organize work | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | and then the dashboard for final release | 15:38 |
| fungi | yeah, given that all the milestone tracking moved out of lp for your purposes, it's likely a non-issue | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ok, I did not realize that tasks could be associated with individual projects | 15:38 |
| ttx | FOr final release you would have multiple stories for each step and we'd organize them as a board of our own | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | ttx: does storyboard know about deliverables or just repos? | 15:39 |
| fungi | dhellmann: well, tasks are associated with repos | 15:39 |
| ttx | dhellmann: like LP BugTasks | 15:39 |
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| fungi | you can create "groups" however | 15:39 |
| fungi | which are arbitrary many-to-many groupings of repos | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | the release team doesn't think in terms of repos, though. we focus on the deliverable level. | 15:39 |
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| dhellmann | so maybe groups are what we'd want | 15:40 |
| ttx | dhellmann: probably yes | 15:40 |
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| ttx | I don't think we have a "must-have" to communicate at this stage | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | maybe as an experiment we can set up an ocata-2 story with the relevant tasks for a couple of project teams | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | that would let me see what it would look like | 15:40 |
| ttx | dhellmann: difficult to do unless that project has migrated though | 15:40 |
| fungi | or i guess i should clarify, what storyboard calls "projects" are currently being mapped to individual git repos, and we have some expectations from a change-to-task mapping that it will be that way | 15:41 |
| ttx | which points back to what I said about us being the last to migrate :) | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | but yeah, my only need is some instructions for using it | 15:41 |
| ttx | The good side is that it has a good api | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | yes, that seems likely, though I wouldn't want to lag | 15:41 |
| ttx | so we could create all we need automatically (like Ocata-1 stories) | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | that would be useful | 15:42 |
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| ttx | so my take is: | 15:42 |
| ttx | we don't have a must-have gap to communicate | 15:42 |
| ttx | when all teams have migrated we'll use it for some tracking | 15:42 |
| ttx | if at that point we realize we are still missing something, I'd expect us to contribute it | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | yes, probably | 15:43 |
| ttx | because the largest problem (getting everyone to use it) would be behind us | 15:43 |
| fungi | and it's in python+javascript, following a similar design model to horizon, so there is already some expertise in our wider community for hacking on it | 15:43 |
| ttx | but exploring it is definitely useful | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | given my experience contributing the patches to move off of oslo-incubator code, as a contributor I would want a test suite that I could run locally. The tests were doing so much database work they never completed when I ran them on my local (slowish) machine. | 15:44 |
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| fungi | probably needs a functional job that exercises the api | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | but from a feature standpoint, yes, I think it sounds like it already handles what we would want | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | fungi : when I ran "tox -e py27" it was running all functional tests, afaict | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | maybe it was just "mostly" | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | anyway, I'll reply to that email thread with this info | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 15:45 |
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| fungi | right, i mean separated out from lower-level unit tests (so the unit testing goes faster) | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | fungi : ack | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | does anyone else have anything to bring up this week? | 15:45 |
| ttx | Also I expect the must-have list to be large enough with "regular" projects requests | 15:45 |
| ttx | and them to be in priority (we can continue to handle our stuff separately without creating too much issues for everyone else) | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | yep | 15:46 |
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| dhellmann | if there's nothing else, we can call the meeting early | 15:47 |
| ttx | good! | 15:47 |
| ttx | ML just created | 15:47 |
| ttx | so plenty of work for that last hour in the week | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | woot! | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | thanks everyone! | 15:47 |
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| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Nov 18 15:48:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: i'm in favor of the current storyboard testing structure | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-11-18-15.00.html | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-11-18-15.00.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-11-18-15.00.log.html | 15:48 |
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| jeblair | dhellmann: it is that way by design, and i think it's a best practice | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : It means I literally cannot run the tests without submitting patches to the CI system to test for me. I do not have the local dev resources for it. :-( | 15:48 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: storyboard is useless without its database, and it tests against the only database we use it against | 15:49 |
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| dhellmann | yeah | 15:49 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: it does requires a mysql server, but other than that, i don't think it's too onerous (like, it should still not take too long to run) | 15:49 |
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| jeblair | dhellmann: i guess what i'm saying is, that if the thought is that it should test against sqlite or something, that i think that's the wrong direction. we have had no end of problems caused by testing something against sqlite which we actually run against mysql. | 15:51 |
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| jeblair | (they behave very differently, and sqlalchemy is not an abstraction layer) | 15:51 |
| fungi | perhaps we need to look into why it takes a very long time to run its database-backed tests in that case | 15:52 |
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| jeblair | yeah, there might be something that we're missing in this specific case | 15:53 |
| jeblair | they're definitely meant to be able to be run locally | 15:54 |
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| SotK | I can run them locally on one of my dev machines, but not on another fwiw | 15:54 |
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| SotK | on the one upon which I can't run them, they normally time out when running the database migrations iirc | 15:55 |
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| jeblair | dhellmann, SotK: maybe they would be faster with a migration squash or something? | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | jeblair : I think the migrations were part of what was taking so long, yes. Perhaps every individual test doesn't need to create a new empty database? Or perhaps squashing those migrations would help? I'm not sure. | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | I'm not sure I agree that it makes no sense to test against sqlite. Are the tests using features of the database that are specific to mysql? Those tests would obviously need to run against the db, but do all of them? | 16:11 |
| jeblair | yeah, most of them take about 10s to run. i bet there's improvement there. | 16:11 |
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| SotK | yeah, we could probably reset the database contents between tests somehow rather than creating a new one every time | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | I think I gave the tests about 30 minutes to run before giving up and killing the job so I could do some other work | 16:12 |
| SotK | squashing them may also help but I've not spent any time investigating | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | I'm willing to help with that, fwiw, I was just pointing out a thing I'd like to have because that's how the question was phrased | 16:12 |
| jeblair | it should take closer to 10. which is annoyingly long, but not geologic time :) | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | that's closer to tolerable :-) | 16:13 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: re sqlite/mysql it's more that the app is designed and used around mysql. there are tons of subtle variations in behavior (text field storage, fk relationships, encoding, other things i can't remember because it was a couple years ago) and we kept breaking it in production because we were testing on sqlite. | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok, if you were finding real issues then testing against the real db makes a lot of sense | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | I would have expected sqlalchemy to mostly hide those | 16:15 |
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| jeblair | dhellmann: yeah -- i've stopped thinking of it as an abstraction layer, and just as an orm -- one that can be used against multiple backends, but each one you use it against requires additional work. | 16:17 |
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| dhellmann | blah | 16:19 |
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| jeblair | indeed :) but that thought-adjustment has kept me from pulling as much hair out | 16:20 |
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