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| ekcs | time for congress meeting ramineni_ aimeeu thinrichs masahito | 00:00 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: hi | 00:00 |
| ekcs | hi! | 00:01 |
| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 8 00:01:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
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| ekcs | hi all! hope everyone’s having a nice week. | 00:02 |
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| ekcs | a couple topics I have for today. | 00:03 |
| ekcs | - gating issues (again!) | 00:03 |
| ekcs | - ocata-2 | 00:03 |
| ekcs | - open discussion | 00:03 |
| ekcs | anything else? | 00:03 |
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| ekcs | ok then let’s get started. | 00:05 |
| ekcs | #topic gating issues | 00:05 |
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| ekcs | Gate has been blocked again. | 00:07 |
| ekcs | This time it’s mysterious subunit parser errors in the pythonXX tests. For example: http://logs.openstack.org/29/254429/8/check/gate-congress-python27-ubuntu-xenial/b3dacaf/testr_results.html.gz | 00:07 |
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| ekcs | clarkb had some thoughts on the ML, but I’ve still not been able to diagnose and/or fix. | 00:08 |
| ekcs | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/108497.html | 00:08 |
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| thinrichs | I've never seen this kind of error | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | What is subunit.parser even doing? Are we calling it? | 00:09 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: but in logs all tests seem to pass right | 00:09 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: its called by testr i guess | 00:10 |
| clarkb | its the data protocol between testr and the test runners | 00:10 |
| ekcs | I tried disabling test_congress_haht, which seems to have reduced the issue, but not eliminated it. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408326/ | 00:10 |
| clarkb | so that you can have massively parallel testing (potentially across many machines) | 00:10 |
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| clarkb | I also noticed that when I tried to run the tests locally the test suite leaked a process | 00:10 |
| clarkb | (not sure if related) | 00:10 |
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| ekcs | oh hi clarkb ! I tried disabling the tests that could leak the process, which seems to have reduced the problem, but not entirely. | 00:11 |
| thinrichs | clarkb: thanks. Any thoughts on how we debug? Know what some of the common causes of that kind of subunit failure might be? | 00:12 |
| ekcs | so anyway that’s just an update. holding up quite a few exsting and coming patches. wish I had more to say about it. | 00:13 |
| clarkb | ya I posted my ideas on the mailing list | 00:13 |
| clarkb | basically run the tests without testr and see if the subunit stream is corrupting (or even run without subunit and see if things are crashing) | 00:13 |
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| clarkb | I don't know that I have ever seen this particular issue before. Most common issues are realted to running tests in parallel (which you don't seem to be doing here) | 00:14 |
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| ekcs | thanks clarkb ! could you elaborate a little bit on what could cause this when tests are run in parallel? | 00:15 |
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| clarkb | I don't mean that parallel testing would cause this | 00:16 |
| clarkb | just that test suite related failures are common with tests run in parallel (because the tests can't assume that sharing resources is safe) | 00:16 |
| clarkb | I haven't seen thsi before either serial or parallel | 00:16 |
| thinrichs | clarkb: I just reread your note on the ML. Very thorough. Thanks. | 00:17 |
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| ekcs | clarkb: got it. thanks! | 00:17 |
| masahito | hi. sorry late. previous meeting didn't end in time. | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | Do we have multiple processes running that are writing to the same log? | 00:17 |
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| ekcs | hi masahito ! | 00:18 |
| clarkb | thinrichs: they use stdout, so potentially yes | 00:18 |
| clarkb | likely if you are forking additional things you will want to close stdout or reattach to some other fd | 00:19 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: we might have that in test_congress_haht. But same issue occurred even after disabling that. I’ll have to dig deeper. | 00:19 |
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| ekcs | Well anyway I’m going to keep at it and hopefully have a resolution. | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: is haht the only test with multiple processes? | 00:21 |
| ekcs | feel free to dig into it too all. even a temp work-around would be really helpful at thi spoint. | 00:21 |
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| thinrichs | okay | 00:21 |
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| clarkb | also might be worth reaching out to lifeless directly | 00:21 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: I’m pretty sure. but not 100% | 00:21 |
| clarkb | as that may mean more to him as testr maintainer | 00:21 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs: I will verify that. | 00:22 |
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| ekcs | got it thanks a lot clarkb ! | 00:22 |
| ekcs | so anything else on this topic before we move on? | 00:22 |
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| ekcs | ok moving on then. we can come back to it in open discussion if there are more thoughts. | 00:26 |
| ekcs | #topic ocata-2 | 00:26 |
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| ekcs | again time flies by in this cycle. or maybe in every cycle. but ocata-2 is due next week. | 00:27 |
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| ekcs | here are the bugs targeting ocata-2. #link https://launchpad.net/congress/+milestone/ocata-2 | 00:28 |
| ekcs | let’s talk a little bit about which bugs we need to retarget. | 00:28 |
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| ekcs | I’m guessing all the medium priority ones would be retargeted. | 00:29 |
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| ekcs | “Remove openstack incubator code” is actually already done. I’ll mark it later. | 00:30 |
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| ekcs | “two nodes may insert rules causing unsupported recursion” turns out to be a bit complex and I’m going to need more time for that. I have a rough spec up today #link https://review.openstack.org/408352 | 00:31 |
| ekcs | any other thoughts? | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | For this one... | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1637172 | 00:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1637172 in congress "rule using policy:table(…) reference fails to create" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Tim Hinrichs (thinrichs) | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | there's the patch that's basically trying to not subscribe to services that don't exist. | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | Pre oslo-messaging we subscribed to everything, but oslo-messaging doesn't like that. Correct? | 00:35 |
| thinrichs | Ideally a policy-writer could write something like p :- foo:bar(x) and whenever foo is a datasource, the policy engine ensures it's subscribed to foo. | 00:36 |
| ekcs | I think so. Here’s the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404478/ | 00:36 |
| thinrichs | But when 'foo' isn't a datasource, the policy engine should know to not subscribe. | 00:36 |
| masahito | I think so. | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | So it sounds like the right solution is to have the policy engine know it's got say N potential datasources that it's interested in and there are M datasources that actually exist. | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | So then it should maintain the invariant that it is always subscribed to the intersection of M and N. | 00:37 |
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| thinrichs | That invariant requires action when (i) the policies change, which is the part we're handling in that patch and (ii) the datasources change, which we don't handle. | 00:38 |
| thinrichs | Do we have an event-handler inside the policy-engine for when the available datasources change? (Perhaps on a heartbeat message?) | 00:38 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: hmmm. we may be able to tweak dse_node to maintain subscription is a potential subscription. so all the logic in inside DSE. | 00:41 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: so subscribe_table in DSE declares interest in a potentially not-yet existent datasource. dse_node handles hooking up the data if that datasource comes into existence. | 00:43 |
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| ekcs | need to be careful with the initial snapshot to get things to work right. | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | Okay—just a thought | 00:44 |
| ekcs | but regardless seems we all agree it’s important to allow the rule creation before the datasource exists right? | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | Yes | 00:45 |
| masahito | yes | 00:46 |
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| ekcs | yea it should be doable. the whole system is set up so that the publisher just posts to a common channel and the subscribers pick up the messages they are interested in. details will need to be worked out. | 00:47 |
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| ekcs | need to be careful with interactions with lazy polling, differential update vs snapshot, etc. | 00:48 |
| ekcs | anything else on ocata-2 or related bugs/patches? feel free to comment/target/tag on the bugs themselves too. | 00:49 |
| masahito | I want yours opinion for this https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1638742 | 00:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1638742 in congress "support out-of-the-box policies" [High,New] - Assigned to Masahito Muroi (muroi-masahito) | 00:50 |
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| masahito | I can imagine 3 options for it. | 00:50 |
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| masahito | 1. writing real policy and policy rules in local.conf | 00:51 |
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| masahito | 2. writing a file path that has policy and policy rule in local.conf | 00:52 |
| masahito | 3. writing a URL for any repository in out-side of devstack node and download the policy | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | I'd lean toward (2). | 00:53 |
| ramineni_ | a json file would be good for storing policies? | 00:53 |
| ramineni_ | +1 | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | Writing policy inside local.conf will make it difficult to manage multiple policies. Downloading from a URL would be nice, but probably v2. | 00:53 |
| ekcs | makes sense. | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | A JSON file would make sense. It would let us capture the policy name and other metadata. | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | +1 ramineni_ | 00:54 |
| masahito | ok, 2 looks better for us. | 00:55 |
| masahito | and will try to use json file to hold pre-define policy. | 00:55 |
| masahito | thanks all. | 00:55 |
| ekcs | ok last 4 minutes. | 00:56 |
| ekcs | #topic open discussion | 00:56 |
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| ekcs | anything to wrap up or bring up? | 00:57 |
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| ekcs | all right that’s all the time we have. Thanks all and have a great week! | 00:59 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 8 01:00:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-12-08-00.01.html | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-12-08-00.01.txt | 01:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-12-08-00.01.log.html | 01:00 |
| masahito | thanks, bye | 01:00 |
| ekcs | bye masahito | 01:00 |
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| jftalta | Hi I18n mates ! | 13:05 |
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| ianychoi_phone | jftalta: hi! | 13:05 |
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| ianychoi_phone | Could u wait for 5-10 mins? My transportation has beed delayed.. | 13:06 |
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| jftalta | ianychoi: sure | 13:08 |
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| ianychoi | jftalta, thanks :) | 13:15 |
| ianychoi | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:15 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 8 13:15:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:15 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:15 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:15 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, how are you going? :) | 13:15 |
| jftalta | I'm fine | 13:16 |
| jftalta | I'm done with Mitaka Install Guide review | 13:16 |
| ianychoi | Good... Wow | 13:16 |
| ianychoi | Congrats! | 13:16 |
| jftalta | Thx. It was a hard work... | 13:17 |
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| ianychoi | So.. then... the next step would be to have a link in: http://docs.openstack.org/fr/ | 13:18 |
| ianychoi | #link http://docs.openstack.org/fr/ | 13:18 |
| jftalta | indeed | 13:18 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://docs.openstack.org/ja/ | 13:18 |
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| ianychoi | It would be a kind of example... Uploading a patch to openstack-manuals repository is needed | 13:19 |
| ianychoi | Could you process it? I think I can help you. | 13:19 |
| jftalta | yes I can. I'll let you know | 13:20 |
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| ianychoi | jftalta, thanks! I will add an action for that | 13:22 |
| ianychoi | #info French team reviewed French Mitaka install-guide. Thanks a lot for the hard work! | 13:22 |
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| ianychoi | #action jftalta will modify French index.html page in openstack-manuals repository to link French install-guide | 13:23 |
| ianychoi | #topic Review on last meeting actions | 13:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review on last meeting actions (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:24 | |
| ianychoi | Last meeting actions are shown: | 13:24 |
| ianychoi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-12-01-07.12.html | 13:24 |
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| ianychoi | I finished the first action, but I need more time for action 2: polishing current i18n-specs structure to see priorities | 13:25 |
| ianychoi | For storyboard, I have read eumel8's opinion throught e-mail. | 13:25 |
| ianychoi | It seems that it would be too early to adapt Storyboard for i18n team. | 13:25 |
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| jftalta | I agree with you. I's too early to make a decision. | 13:26 |
| ianychoi | Okay... then let's move to today topics | 13:27 |
| ianychoi | Oh just one topic | 13:27 |
| ianychoi | #topic translate-dev.o.o with Xenial and Zanata 3.7.3 needs your tests! | 13:27 |
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| jftalta | Only the two of us are connected today ?... | 13:28 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, I think so... unfortunately... | 13:28 |
| jftalta | :( | 13:28 |
| ianychoi | I don't know how we and more members talk each other more... | 13:29 |
| jftalta | I posted an email to the french team last week and I got none response... | 13:29 |
| ianychoi | Sad news.. | 13:30 |
| jftalta | Hope that will not last | 13:31 |
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| ianychoi | Really.. I have no idea how more members would happily participate in i18n team | 13:32 |
| ianychoi | For Ocata, I am having several plans: Zanata upgrade, Stackalytics, ... | 13:33 |
| jftalta | Well, let's keep them ! | 13:33 |
| ianychoi | Although Zanata upgrade progress is a little bit slow, it has a good progress | 13:33 |
| ianychoi | #link https://translate-dev.openstack.org/ | 13:33 |
| jftalta | I'm currently logged in | 13:34 |
| ianychoi | The server has been upgraded to Xenial (Ubuntu 16.04) from Trusty (Ubuntu 14.04) | 13:34 |
| ianychoi | #info infra team asks i18n team to test whether Zanata 3.7.3 runs well on translate-dev.o.i with Xenial | 13:34 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-December/004967.html | 13:35 |
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| jftalta | Ok. I can check it out | 13:37 |
| ianychoi | But.. which things would we test for the server? | 13:38 |
| ianychoi | For me, my login was successful, I could see project lists and translation menu, and my translation results seem to be stored in Zanata.. | 13:38 |
| jftalta | Mainly the features we are using on a daily basis, I guess | 13:38 |
| ianychoi | Hmm.. writing an e-mail to openstack-i18n@lists.o.o to listen to test functionalities would be a good idea? | 13:39 |
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| jftalta | Yes | 13:41 |
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| ianychoi | Okay.. I will do that on tomorrow or this weekend.. | 13:41 |
| ianychoi | #action ianychoi will ask for test functionalities for Zanata with Xenial through openstack-i18n@lists.o.o | 13:42 |
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| ianychoi | Then.. move on to open discussion? | 13:43 |
| jftalta | ok | 13:43 |
| ianychoi | #topic Open discussions | 13:44 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg | 13:44 |
| ianychoi | I am really considering to participate in PTG event. | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | I think participating in Documentation room for me would be great | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | For cross-project issues, please feel free to me. | 13:45 |
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| ianychoi | I would like to tell such things during PTG.. | 13:46 |
| jftalta | I would be a good thing for the project | 13:46 |
| jftalta | *it would* | 13:46 |
| ianychoi | Yep... :) | 13:46 |
| jftalta | And will you be in Boston, anyway ? | 13:48 |
| ianychoi | I really wanna go there. How about you? | 13:48 |
| jftalta | I'll be in Boston | 13:48 |
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| ianychoi | Wow good news :) | 13:49 |
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| ianychoi | Note that I am still pretty sure the price for Summits | 13:49 |
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| ianychoi | I am *not*.. | 13:49 |
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| ianychoi | The price for Pike PTG is 100$ and Foundation says that all the participants for Pike PTG will receive free Boston Summit tickets | 13:50 |
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| jftalta | I've been told that to | 13:50 |
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| ianychoi | In my opinion, the current system of free ATC passes would be changed.. for this, I am not sure.. | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | I will try to follow this thing | 13:51 |
| jftalta | ok, thx. | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | It's my pleasure | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | Actually, I am a little bit busy for implementing to generate PDFs for openstack-manuals documents | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/ocata/build-pdf-from-rst-guides.html | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | A little bit sorry for that, since when I decided to implement this, I really did not think that I would be Ocata PTL | 13:52 |
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| jftalta | ;) | 13:53 |
| ianychoi | But.. thanks a lot, jftalta for kind participation in IRC meeting and many others.. | 13:53 |
| ianychoi | I think we can change a lot.. although the progress would be slow. | 13:53 |
| jftalta | my pleasure :) | 13:53 |
| ianychoi | for better internationalization :) | 13:54 |
| jftalta | I agree. Many things remain to be done. But we need time and people for that | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | I agree it | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | Then.. can I close today meeting? | 13:55 |
| jftalta | Oh, just one thing : what time is it in Korea ? | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | Now, 10:55 PM :) | 13:56 |
| ianychoi | How about you? | 13:56 |
| jftalta | 02:55 PM | 13:56 |
| ianychoi | A quick question: Dec 22 is holiday for your country? | 13:56 |
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| jftalta | No,it's not. But 25th is. | 13:56 |
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| jftalta | Christmas day | 13:57 |
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| ianychoi | Okay.. then let's have an IRC meeting on Dec 22 and congratulate Christmas each other! | 13:57 |
| ianychoi | Then, the next meeting would be Jan 12th.. | 13:57 |
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| jftalta | Ok ! Have a good night Ian | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, have a good afternoon! Thanks a lot today | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 8 13:59:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-12-08-13.15.html | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-12-08-13.15.txt | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-12-08-13.15.log.html | 13:59 |
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| gothicmindfood | ohhai | 14:00 |
| gothicmindfood | ping amrith, dhellmann, gothicmindfood, ttx, jroll, johnthetubaguy, sdague, mordred, carolbarrett, nikhil, mugsie, thingee, alexismonville, edleafe, EmilienM, harlowja, devananda, bastafidli | 14:00 |
| jroll | \o | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 14:01 |
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| ttx | didn't you say -3 ? | 14:01 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: ah! | 14:01 |
| gothicmindfood | wrong channel | 14:01 |
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| oomichi | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 8 17:00:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| oomichi | Hello, who's here today? | 17:00 |
| DavidPurcell | o/ hello | 17:00 |
| jordanP | o/ | 17:01 |
| andreaf | o/ | 17:01 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 17:01 |
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| oomichi | ok. lets get start | 17:01 |
| oomichi | Today's agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_December_8th_2016_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:01 |
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| oomichi | #topic Specs Reviews | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs Reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:02 | |
| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:02 |
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| oomichi | The first one bug-notification-decorator is discussed on the patch | 17:02 |
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| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405781/ | 17:03 |
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| oomichi | that seems good progress | 17:03 |
| oomichi | happy if getting more feedback :) | 17:03 |
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| oomichi | The second one #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399618/ seems to get some feedback and need to update | 17:03 |
| jordanP | yeah, I am not 100% convinced by the idea of that decorator | 17:04 |
| jordanP | not sure it helps a lot | 17:04 |
| jordanP | if someones notices a tempest test failure, then he should spend time and investigate the issue | 17:04 |
| jordanP | git blame and such | 17:04 |
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| oomichi | jordanP: haha, yeah that is current way as the commit message | 17:05 |
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| oomichi | jordanP: but it is easy to imagine the situation they don't have git history on the cloud beacuse of installing it on package | 17:05 |
| oomichi | the decorator is not so harmful for us, I feel | 17:06 |
| jordanP | I guess they have a laptop and an internet connection | 17:06 |
| jordanP | it adds code, more maintenant and such | 17:06 |
| jordanP | I am not even sure it's going to be widely used | 17:06 |
| jordanP | but okay we can trye | 17:06 |
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| oomichi | jordanP: thanks, it is great to get opinion on that | 17:07 |
| andreaf | oomichi, jordanP: even if the code is not installed from git, the git log is available - I guess it would useful for users not familiar with git / dev tools | 17:07 |
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| jordanP | are these users "our" users ? | 17:07 |
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| andreaf | heh, no idea :P | 17:08 |
| oomichi | andreaf: yeah, they can see. but it is easy to make difference between them | 17:09 |
| oomichi | them means package one and the latest git | 17:09 |
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| jordanP | ok, let's move on maybe :) | 17:10 |
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| oomichi | ok, lets move on | 17:10 |
| oomichi | someone have more on the other specs? | 17:10 |
| oomichi | #topic Tempest | 17:11 |
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| oomichi | jordanP: maybe you have one point, I feel :) | 17:11 |
| oomichi | for tempest | 17:11 |
| jordanP | yes so we have 3 tempest patchs that try to bring cinder v3 teting | 17:11 |
| jordanP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+message:v3+message:cinder+status:open | 17:11 |
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| jordanP | those patches are not so good because they duplicate a lot of code from cinder v2 | 17:12 |
| andreaf | jordanP: yes I noticed that I asked the author to sync with each other in some review comment | 17:12 |
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| oomichi | jordanP: yeah, you are right. that is my concern also | 17:12 |
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| jordanP | in many aspects Cinder v3 and v2 are the same, to we need new clients ? | 17:12 |
| jordanP | and do we even need new tests to begin with ? | 17:13 |
| oomichi | jordanP: I feel not necessary because we are using the same clients for Nova case | 17:13 |
| jordanP | I am fine adding new clients to test new features of cinder v3 | 17:13 |
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| oomichi | jordanP: +1 for new features of v3 | 17:13 |
| andreaf | jordanP: well I don | 17:13 |
| jordanP | yeah, maybe not | 17:13 |
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| jordanP | and we haven"t sorted micro version handlind with Cinder right ? (like we do for Nova) | 17:14 |
| andreaf | tI don't know in terms of cinder code base | 17:14 |
| andreaf | is it the same code shared between v2 and v3? | 17:14 |
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| jordanP | andreaf, yes it use for most cinder v3 'routes' (they subclass the cinder v2 constrollers) | 17:14 |
| smcginnis | v3 and v2 are exactly the same. They only diverge with microversions of v3. | 17:14 |
| jordanP | grr I meant, cinder v3 controllers are subclasses of cinder v2 controllers | 17:14 |
| oomichi | andreaf: yeah, maybe right. Cinder team wanted to clarify the difference of V3 by different endpoint | 17:15 |
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| oomichi | then not v2.1, v3 | 17:15 |
| oomichi | smcginnis: thanks for your help :) | 17:15 |
| smcginnis | oomichi: Any time. :) | 17:16 |
| jordanP | so I think the first step is to properly support micro version for Cinder | 17:16 |
| andreaf | smcginnis: does it mean that the base 3.0 will never diverge from 2.0? | 17:16 |
| jordanP | it will, but with micro version bumps | 17:16 |
| oomichi | jordanP: ++ | 17:16 |
| smcginnis | andreaf: Correct. That API is set. Changes will only be allowed as microversion bumps. | 17:16 |
| jordanP | andreaf, but we don't want to test cinder v3.0, we want to test cinder v3 | 17:17 |
| andreaf | cool so basically we can test 2.0 and 3.0 microversion | 17:17 |
| jordanP | (notice the 0) | 17:17 |
| jordanP | andreaf, yes but what's the point ? they are the same :) | 17:17 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: yeah, by the same test implementation for both APIs | 17:17 |
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| andreaf | jordanP: I meant 2.0 and the mircroversions on top of 3 | 17:18 |
| oomichi | then we will need to implement v3 microversion specific tests as jordanP said | 17:18 |
| jordanP | I am not sure I am following :) | 17:18 |
| andreaf | the thing is, there may be a cloud where v2 is not available and v3 is, so we have to make things so that we can hit the v3 endpoint from the v2 tests or so | 17:18 |
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| jordanP | andreaf, true. I didnt think about it | 17:19 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: yeah, current v2 API tests should be useful for base microversion of v3 API | 17:19 |
| oomichi | without copy&past from v2 | 17:19 |
| jordanP | so shortly we will run the same tests for Cinder v1,v2 and v3 ? | 17:20 |
| jordanP | that looks suboptimal... | 17:20 |
| oomichi | I am not sure about v1 | 17:20 |
| andreaf | jordanP, oomichi: I think having the v3 clients would be useful, so we can implement the microversions in them - there's no need to duplicate code just subclass should be fine I guess? | 17:21 |
| oomichi | smcginnis: ^^^? v1 is different from v2 and v3 base microversion? | 17:21 |
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| smcginnis | oomichi: Correct. There are breaking changes between v1 and v2/3. | 17:21 |
| oomichi | andreaf: yeah, that is my thinking | 17:21 |
| jordanP | andreaf, yeah, what ever we chose we shouldn"t duplicate code but subclass | 17:21 |
| andreaf | for tests I think we should only run one set of tests, either against v2 or v3 - which one is the default is to be decided, I guess v2 for now? | 17:22 |
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| oomichi | smcginnis: cool, it is fine to have v1 and v2 specific clients on Tempest as current implementation | 17:22 |
| smcginnis | andreaf: +1 for just extending the same client. | 17:22 |
| andreaf | and then we will have extra tests only running if v3 is available for microversions or so | 17:22 |
| oomichi | andreaf: +1 | 17:22 |
| oomichi | that way is the same as current Nova tests | 17:23 |
| oomichi | we can reuse the Nova test code and maybe the test way will be consistent in Tempest | 17:23 |
| jordanP | (you guys are going to Atlante in feb ?) | 17:24 |
| jordanP | *Atlanta | 17:24 |
| oomichi | jordanP: (maybe just first 3 days) | 17:24 |
| oomichi | ok, do we have more topic about Tempest today? | 17:24 |
| oomichi | jordanP: (how about you?) | 17:24 |
| andreaf | I plan to be there 3 or 4 days not sure | 17:24 |
| jordanP | (same here, maybe, first 3 days) | 17:24 |
| oomichi | jordanP: (cool) | 17:25 |
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| oomichi | ok, lets move on :) | 17:25 |
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| oomichi | #topic DevStack + Grenade | 17:25 |
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| oomichi | I don't have topic about them today, anoyone have? | 17:26 |
| jordanP | it's good to have sdague back ;) | 17:26 |
| andreaf | oomichi: on Tempest I had the bug report | 17:26 |
| andreaf | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-weekly-bug-report | 17:26 |
| andreaf | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-weekly-bug-report | 17:26 |
| oomichi | andreaf: oh, that is super important, thanks for working that | 17:27 |
| andreaf | The open bugs are down to 2 which is good news | 17:27 |
| oomichi | andreaf: yeah, I updated the graph: https://github.com/oomichi/bug-counter#current-graph | 17:27 |
| andreaf | but there is still a rather large number of open and in progress ones | 17:27 |
| oomichi | andreaf: yeah, thanks. The number is still huge | 17:27 |
| oomichi | but in this week, the number becomes less as the graph | 17:28 |
| oomichi | andreaf: do you have bug reports we need to discuss here? difficult ones or something? | 17:29 |
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| andreaf | I'm looking at a libvirt issue | 17:29 |
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| andreaf | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1646779 | 17:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1646779 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Cannot connect to libvirt" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 17:30 |
| jordanP | yes, I've seen it myself too | 17:30 |
| andreaf | mriedem was looking at it as well, but I've got no clue what's going on there | 17:30 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: the failure happens many times on the gate? | 17:31 |
| andreaf | it's not so terrible, but it's frequent enough to deserve attention I think, like it happens a few times a day | 17:31 |
| jordanP | andreaf, you're e-r query was merged ? | 17:31 |
| andreaf | nope | 17:32 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406278/ | 17:32 |
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| jordanP | mriedem, ^^ | 17:33 |
| oomichi | mriedem: coud you look at ^^ | 17:33 |
| andreaf | today I checked dstat logs but I didn't find any usage peak around the time I see the libvirt socket issue... | 17:33 |
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| jordanP | well I think it's more of a nova/libvirt/kvm issue, I am not sure we can do a lot about it | 17:34 |
| oomichi | it is fine to use the E-R and check the more samples | 17:34 |
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| andreaf | on better news the personality tests are passing again now, so the -ssh check job is back to green | 17:35 |
| andreaf | so I guess next I'll try and get the pre-prov cred job back to passing | 17:35 |
| oomichi | andreaf: ah, thanks again. That was helped by your devstack patch, right? | 17:35 |
| andreaf | yeah a devstack patch, a nova patch and a project-config one to switch the job to xenial | 17:36 |
| jordanP | yeah, about the -ssh job, we should all watch over it and if it's stable enough, make it voting | 17:36 |
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| andreaf | jordanP: I'm not sure whether to make that job voting or to enable validation in one of the existing jobs? | 17:37 |
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| andreaf | but perhaps it's easier just to turn voting on, and then we can consolidate later | 17:37 |
| jordanP | the latter approach would be better but how do we keep track which job uses which settings ? | 17:37 |
| andreaf | only that would mean one extra job in the gate | 17:38 |
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| andreaf | eventually I would like to have validation on everywhere :D so we don't to track that anymore | 17:38 |
| jordanP | the job is already running in the check queue so running it in the merge queue is just a tiny bit more work on the infra | 17:39 |
| oomichi | if the difference between jobs is clearly, it is fine to make it voting I feel | 17:39 |
| oomichi | yeah, just small changes | 17:40 |
| jordanP | ok, let's decide next week | 17:40 |
| oomichi | do we have more topic about tempest, devstack and grenade? | 17:41 |
| oomichi | ok, lets move on | 17:41 |
| oomichi | #topic OpenStack-health | 17:41 |
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| oomichi | as -dev discussion, 100% cue jobs are stopped. but that is still on the dashboard | 17:42 |
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| oomichi | #link http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/ | 17:42 |
| oomichi | s/100%/100% failing/ | 17:42 |
| oomichi | andreaf: when can we avoid seeing that on the dashboard? | 17:43 |
| oomichi | andreaf: that means how old data on the dashboard? | 17:43 |
| timothyb89 | oomichi: by default it shows the last 30 days | 17:43 |
| oomichi | the job stopped 12/02/2016, but still on that | 17:44 |
| oomichi | timothyb89: thanks :) OK, we will avoid the next year | 17:44 |
| timothyb89 | for now, if we change the period in the drop down it disappears: http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?duration=P1D | 17:45 |
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| oomichi | timothyb89: cool, yeah I can avoid seeing that :) | 17:45 |
| oomichi | timothyb89: btw, do you have topics/patches we need to pick up here today? | 17:46 |
| timothyb89 | nothing too crazy, but I did put up a patch to improve charts some more: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406663/ | 17:46 |
| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406663/ | 17:46 |
| oomichi | ok, I will try it later | 17:47 |
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| oomichi | do we have more topics about o-h? | 17:47 |
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| oomichi | ok, lets move on | 17:47 |
| oomichi | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:47 |
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| oomichi | do we have patches we need to review toay ? | 17:47 |
| oomichi | (I don't have today) | 17:48 |
| oomichi | ok, lets move on | 17:49 |
| oomichi | #topic Open discussion | 17:49 |
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| oomichi | We will be close to PTG soon, and we need to get ideas for QA sessions | 17:50 |
| andreaf | heh that was going to be my question :) | 17:50 |
| oomichi | I will prepare the etherpad and please give us ideas | 17:50 |
| oomichi | andreaf: haha, yeah jordanP picked up good topic in the meeting | 17:51 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: you are idea man always, I believe you have many :) | 17:51 |
| jordanP | :) | 17:51 |
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| jordanP | cinder v3 and maybe refactor the scenarios manager | 17:52 |
| jordanP | we don"t need topics to discuss but more topics to work on I think | 17:52 |
| oomichi | jordanP: yeah, they are good working items | 17:52 |
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| oomichi | I don't want to wait for PTG for them | 17:53 |
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| oomichi | nice to implement patches for them in Ocata | 17:53 |
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| jordanP | yeah, we can try | 17:54 |
| oomichi | btw, dmellado is the next big triager as just reminder | 17:55 |
| oomichi | s/big/bug/ | 17:55 |
| oomichi | ok, do we have more topics today? or we can implement/review patches :) | 17:55 |
| andreaf | the big bug triage | 17:56 |
| oomichi | andreaf: haha, you did | 17:56 |
| oomichi | super decreasing now | 17:56 |
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| oomichi | 233 -> 168 | 17:57 |
| oomichi | in the 4 monthes | 17:57 |
| oomichi | ok, lets close the meeting | 17:57 |
| oomichi | thanks all | 17:57 |
| oomichi | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 8 17:57:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-12-08-17.00.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-12-08-17.00.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-12-08-17.00.log.html | 17:57 |
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| andreaf | bye, thank you | 17:58 |
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| jordanP | bye | 17:59 |
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| dtroyer | #startmeeting openstackclient | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 8 19:01:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| dtroyer | who is here? | 19:01 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | me | 19:09 |
| ankur-gupta-f | :) | 19:09 |
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| dtroyer | o/ | 19:10 |
| ankur-gupta-f | I have just one item: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396727/ discussion over introducing new command "replace" | 19:10 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | dtroyer: I will let you and armax: figure out how to proceed with Auto Allocated Topology | 19:10 |
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| dtroyer | so what is being set in network tag is what? You are really setting a tag on another resosurce, correct? | 19:12 |
| ankur-gupta-f | correct | 19:13 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | so 'add' 'remove' | 19:13 |
| ankur-gupta-f | currently only enabled for networks | 19:13 |
| dtroyer | so —tag for <resource> set and unset should be the way to do it | 19:13 |
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| dtroyer | 'network tag' is itself not a resource | 19:13 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | so the full command would be | 19:16 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | "openstack tag add network --resource-type networks --tag "blah" | 19:16 |
| ankur-gupta-f | that seems convoluted | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | network set —tag <tag> <network> | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | why would you go anywhere other than 'network' resrouce to set a tag on a network? | 19:17 |
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| dtroyer | a tag isn't a thing by itself, it is an attribute of a thing | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | where thing == resource | 19:18 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | okay. network set, network unset makes sense. | 19:20 |
| ankur-gupta-f | how would i deal with the replace. | 19:20 |
| ankur-gupta-f | what is does is removes all existing tags on a resource and puts on new ones | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | we've done that elsewhere in the network commands: network set —no-tags —tag a —tag b mynet | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer | also, I think unset has an —all-XXX option | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | so two ways to clear the list | 19:21 |
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| dtroyer | look at router: set —no-route —route XXX <router> does the same type of thing | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | and unset —route | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | so we do 'replace' with '—no-XXX —XXXX <arg>' | 19:23 |
| ankur-gupta-f | got it will take a look. thanks | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | I do want to talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391331/ a bit | 19:24 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | Did you go through Armando's comments? | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | I just saw them | 19:25 |
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| dtroyer | I think 'least surprise' is what we need to aim for | 19:25 |
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| dtroyer | if the API has a —dry-run option, show can be implemented with that, right? that way nothing actually changes? | 19:25 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | --dry-run option does something really stupid. It validates that all the other resources have been set up | 19:26 |
| ankur-gupta-f | then returns True or False | 19:26 |
| dtroyer | oh, so not like it means in, say, rsync? | 19:26 |
| dtroyer | then yeas, the comment to rename that is a good one | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | but rats, I thought that might be a way to safely at least see what was there | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | ok, I'll respond in the review | 19:27 |
| ankur-gupta-f | since there is only one auto_allocated_topology per project, it may be possible to do a check if it exists and through different methods return the id of topology | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | that would be the way to do a show command then. | 19:28 |
| ankur-gupta-f | the --dry-run option returns the same dictionary values except instead of 'id' : <###> it returns 'id': <dry-run=True> | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | and if create when one exists errors, I think users would understand | 19:29 |
| ankur-gupta-f | so then i cud just replace <dry-run=True> with the previously grabbed id | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | and have a —or-show option on create and that will exactly replicate the neutronclient behaviour as I understand it | 19:29 |
| ankur-gupta-f | but it would have to be a required option. "create --or-show" "create --or-show --dry-run" and "delete" would then be the actions | 19:30 |
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| dtroyer | no, not required. if it isn't present… I _really_ want the commands to behave the same everywhere | 19:31 |
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| dtroyer | we might be able to live with documenting that create always has an implied —or-show, but that's second choice to me | 19:31 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | so then if the --or-show option isn't present it holds the same functionality if the option was there. | 19:33 |
| ankur-gupta-f | yea there will have to be beefed up docs for this one | 19:33 |
| dtroyer | for sure | 19:33 |
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| dtroyer | if there is no simple way to error on create when it already exists, then yes, —or-show would be essentially defaulted to True | 19:34 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | okay. Will stab at both network tag and AAT by EOW | 19:36 |
| dtroyer | great, thanks! | 19:37 |
| ankur-gupta-f | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382530/ looks fine to me may need extra eyes | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | do either of those require unreleased SDK stuffs? | 19:37 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | tag is implemented as a plugin within Neutronclient. AAT SDK has been merged couple days ago | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | but not released? | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | oh, wait… tag is a plugin? not in SDK? | 19:38 |
| ankur-gupta-f | yea | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | which? | 19:39 |
| ankur-gupta-f | tag is a plugin | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | ugh, no wonder it iwas going to be its own command… OSc itself doesn't use neutronclient | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | and we don't (yet) have a way for plugins to extend other commands | 19:40 |
| ankur-gupta-f | yes I probably should have clarrified | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | so that just isn't going to work | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | and we can't merge AAT until the sdk bits show up in a release | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | and g-r is updated | 19:42 |
| briancurtin | dtroyer: we can probably release soon, i’m waiting on one thing to figure out of it can be in the next release or if the fix should wait for another approach that is in progress | 19:43 |
| ankur-gupta-f | yea. but i have sinking feeling AAT will take some time to get everyone to agree :) | 19:43 |
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| dtroyer | ankur-gupta-f: will that mean SDK changes? or is what is there going to be enough? | 19:43 |
| ankur-gupta-f | what is there is good enough for what we want to do with OSC | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | briancurtin: no worries, I just have a hard time keeping track of what OSC reviews also need SDK releases | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | ankur-gupta-f: cool | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | moving on… | 19:45 |
| ankur-gupta-f | yes please. | 19:45 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: Do you have an opinion on the last comments in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352477/ re argument order? | 19:46 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: literally just sat down :) | 19:46 |
| * dtroyer doesn't give away how he knew that | 19:46 | |
| stevemar | dtroyer: which arguments, the create ones? | 19:46 |
| dtroyer | <qos-rule> <qos-policy> | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | that feels backward to me, we don't have a precedent for most-specific first or last anywhere | 19:48 |
| stevemar | ah right, for 'set' | 19:48 |
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| dtroyer | the order above is how neutronclient does it | 19:48 |
| stevemar | and show | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | for any command that needs both | 19:48 |
| stevemar | and... delete | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | :) | 19:49 |
| dtroyer | DNS is the only common place I can come up with that does more-specific first ordering | 19:49 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/blob/master/doc/source/command-objects/object.rst | 19:49 |
| stevemar | we do <container> <object> | 19:49 |
| dtroyer | duh | 19:49 |
| dtroyer | of course | 19:49 |
| dtroyer | thanks | 19:49 |
| stevemar | so less specific -> more specific | 19:49 |
| stevemar | :) | 19:50 |
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| dtroyer | thanks | 19:50 |
| stevemar | i'm intrigued by this concept | 19:50 |
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| dtroyer | it's a great bikeshed | 19:50 |
| stevemar | (i meant the concept of a dessert pizza, not the ordering) | 19:51 |
| dtroyer | oh, cherry pie filling, cinnamon, frosting on a pizza crist | 19:51 |
| dtroyer | you name it, Pizza Ranch has it :) | 19:52 |
| stevemar | :) | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | the only other thing on my list is Adam's https://review.openstack.org/290253 | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | No other keystoners have weighed in on that, is it a thing or not? | 19:52 |
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| stevemar | it's a thing | 19:54 |
| dtroyer | and no, I have not asked him directly yet | 19:54 |
| stevemar | but he has to fix the client first: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+bug/1647934 | 19:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1647934 in python-keystoneclient "implied role get fails with key error" [Medium,Confirmed] | 19:54 |
| dtroyer | ah, ok. so that's whe the periodic rebase | 19:54 |
| stevemar | but we support the routes on the server side, so we should have client bindings | 19:54 |
| dtroyer | if it is going to merge someday we should get it cleaned up so it is ready then | 19:54 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: we? :) | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | :) | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | I'll review it, he can clean it | 19:55 |
| stevemar | :) | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | you can keep PTL'ing for a few more months | 19:55 |
| stevemar | \o/ | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | 5 min warning, anything else? | 19:55 |
| stevemar | umm | 19:55 |
| huanxuan | dtroyer, stevemar: tangchen let me tell you that he has changed his work and he is not allowed to work on OpenStack now, he is very sorry for that and he will try him best to do something help in OSC in his spare time | 19:55 |
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| stevemar | huanxuan: oh no :( | 19:56 |
| huanxuan | :( | 19:56 |
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| stevemar | huanxuan: let him know that i appreciated all the work he did | 19:56 |
| dtroyer | huanxuan: thanks for relaying the message, and let tangchen know we are sorry to hear about that | 19:56 |
| huanxuan | haven't see him for a long time | 19:56 |
| huanxuan | yes I will | 19:56 |
| dtroyer | so, we have a quorum of cores here then | 19:57 |
| dtroyer | I move huanxuan gets +2, do I have a second? | 19:57 |
| stevemar | yep! | 19:57 |
| dtroyer | huanxuan: welcome to the core team, as soon as I get it added in Gerrit | 19:57 |
| huanxuan | really!! I am very happy to hear that !!! | 19:58 |
| ankur-gupta-f | nice! | 19:58 |
| huanxuan | thanks very much!!! | 19:58 |
| stevemar | huanxuan: you've done amazing work ^_^ | 19:58 |
| huanxuan | I am very honor to join !! | 19:58 |
| dtroyer | we are very thankful for the work you have done and have certainly proved your ability and judement | 19:58 |
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| dtroyer | thank you very much | 19:58 |
| huanxuan | thanks ! I will continue to do more works for OSC! | 19:58 |
| stevemar | :) | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | that's why we trap you as a core :) | 19:59 |
| stevemar | congrats huanxuan o\ | 19:59 |
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| huanxuan | ^ ^ thank! | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | added… use your new powers and continue to do good work | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | and thanks everyone, we are out of time | 20:00 |
| ankur-gupta-f | thanks all. And congrats huanxuan | 20:00 |
| huanxuan | really exciting to hear that~~~~ | 20:00 |
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| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 8 20:00:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-12-08-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-12-08-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-12-08-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| huanxuan | thanks all~ | 20:00 |
| stevemar | thanks huanxuan! | 20:01 |
| huanxuan | :) | 20:01 |
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| kristia__ | #startmeeting nova | 20:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 8 20:33:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kristia__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:33 |
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| kristian__ | #idea Can there be a metadata option for attaching gpu as a main display source? | 20:35 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | mriedem: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 21:00 |
| mriedem | kristian__: i guess you started the nova meeting early? | 21:00 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
| kristian__ | yes | 21:01 |
| melwitt | um, that's interesting | 21:01 |
| mriedem | yeah.... | 21:01 |
| kristian__ | didnt check the time properly | 21:01 |
| mriedem | nor are you the chair | 21:01 |
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| mriedem | kristian__: can you end meeting please? | 21:01 |
| edleafe | kristian__: has to end it | 21:01 |
| kristian__ | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
| kristian__ | ok | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:02 |
| openstack | mriedem: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 21:02 |
| mriedem | great | 21:02 |
| mriedem | well i guess we're rolling | 21:02 |
| mriedem | who's here? | 21:02 |
| melwitt | the nick was different when it was started | 21:02 |
| melwitt | I don't know if that matters | 21:02 |
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| edleafe | kristian__: change your nick back to kristia__ | 21:02 |
| kristian__ | ok | 21:02 |
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| kristia__ | #endmeeting | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 8 21:02:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-12-08-20.33.html | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-12-08-20.33.txt | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-12-08-20.33.log.html | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 8 21:02:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| edleafe | ooh, that was sneaky! | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:02 |
| mriedem | well we should have some super interesting logs | 21:03 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:03 |
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| takashin | o/ | 21:03 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:03 |
| auggy | :P | 21:03 |
| dtp | o/ | 21:03 |
| * Vek waves | 21:04 | |
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| mriedem | ok so let's get started | 21:04 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:04 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:04 | |
| mriedem | #link Ocata release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Ocata_Release_Schedule | 21:04 |
| mriedem | #info next thursday 12/15 is the o-2 milestone | 21:05 |
| mriedem | #link Ocata blueprints https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/ocata | 21:05 |
| mriedem | #info 69 total blueprints, 8 implemented, 10 not started, 37 need code review, 10 implemented | 21:05 |
| mriedem | oops some stale data in there | 21:05 |
| mriedem | so still a few blueprints that haven't started | 21:05 |
| mriedem | which is concerning | 21:05 |
| mriedem | i tried bugging some people in irc the other day | 21:06 |
| mriedem | but honestly we have enough code up for review for other blueprints at this point i'm not going to chase people much | 21:06 |
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| mriedem | any questions? | 21:06 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 21:06 |
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| mriedem | sdague helped out with triage yesterday and took a pretty good chunk out of the new bugs list, so thanks there | 21:07 |
| mriedem | one i came across which isn't really new but wasn't being worked is https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633734 | 21:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1633734 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "ValueError: Field `instance_uuid' cannot be None" [High,Confirmed] | 21:07 |
| mriedem | so ^ is an upgrade issue from mitaka to newton | 21:07 |
| mriedem | i've started a repro patch here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408727/ | 21:07 |
| mriedem | it's tricksy, and i think we need an invalid data purge migration in newton to handle it | 21:08 |
| mriedem | but i'm not sure if it's an offline data migration or online | 21:08 |
| mriedem | so need to talk to some people about that later | 21:08 |
| mriedem | otherwise we don't have any critical bugs | 21:08 |
| mriedem | gate status and 3rd party ci status are relatively uneventful | 21:09 |
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| mriedem | i've noticed the intel nfv ci went away | 21:09 |
| mriedem | wznoinsk: are you around? | 21:09 |
| mriedem | i'll follow up on that later | 21:09 |
| mriedem | i know they were working through some issues with their multinode job | 21:09 |
| mriedem | anyone else for bugs? | 21:09 |
| wznoinsk | Yes should be back tomorrow | 21:09 |
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| mriedem | wznoinsk: cool | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | #topic reminders | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | #link Ocata review priorities https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | i haven't been through ^ lately so know how up to date it is | 21:10 |
| kristian__ | Hi im back | 21:10 |
| mriedem | cdent has been sending out priorities for resource provider work in the ML | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 21:11 |
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| mriedem | not much to report here except liberty should be eol soon | 21:11 |
| mriedem | tonyb was putting in the request to infra for that last night | 21:11 |
| kristian__ | Can I propose an idea? | 21:11 |
| mriedem | and lyarwood cleaned out a lot of stable/mitaka stuff that wasn't appropriate | 21:11 |
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| mriedem | kristian__: does it have to do with stable branches? | 21:11 |
| mriedem | kristian__: because if not, please save it for open discussion | 21:12 |
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| kristian__ | its about gpu passthrough | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | yeah so not right now | 21:12 |
| mriedem | any questions on stable? | 21:12 |
| mriedem | moving on | 21:12 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | for cellsv2, the main review focus right now is on the series starting here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406380/ | 21:13 |
| mriedem | melwitt: was there anything else from the cells meeting yesterday you wanted to bring up? like consoleauth or quotas? | 21:13 |
| melwitt | sure, I can note that for cells v2 we need to change the deployment assumption from consoleauth service at the top to consoleauth service per cell | 21:14 |
| mriedem | #info for cells v2 we need to change the deployment assumption from consoleauth service at the top to consoleauth service per cell | 21:14 |
| melwitt | nothing yet on quotas, I'll have something next week | 21:15 |
| mriedem | melwitt: do we have changes we need to work for consoleauth for cells v2 right now? | 21:15 |
| melwitt | yes, brought up in the meeting was that we need the message queue switching stuff in consoleauth/rpcapi.py like we have in compute/rpcapi.py. dtp volunteered to add that | 21:15 |
| mriedem | #info dtp volunteered to work on adding mq switching to consoleauth/rpcapi.py | 21:16 |
| mriedem | cool | 21:16 |
| mriedem | moving on | 21:16 |
| mriedem | edleafe: scheduler? | 21:16 |
| edleafe | Discussed whether optional placement DB was going to make it into Ocata. Decision was "meh" | 21:16 |
| edleafe | Discussed remotable vs non-remotable, but that was pretty quiet because bauzas wasn't there :) | 21:16 |
| edleafe | Agreed to bump the limit on retries for ResourceClass ID generation, with logging added to see if we ever hit it. | 21:16 |
| edleafe | Didn't argue the GET vs. POST and/or new resource for querying resource providers - again, no bauzas | 21:16 |
| edleafe | done | 21:16 |
| mriedem | the non-remotable patch is up from cdent | 21:17 |
| bauzas | oh man, missed the meeting | 21:17 |
| bauzas | \o | 21:17 |
| mriedem | i'm also meh on optional placement db | 21:17 |
| edleafe | bauzas: we missed you too :) | 21:17 |
| mriedem | and jaypipes has the GET /resource_providers filtering patch up, i just haven't gotten there yet | 21:17 |
| mriedem | more info on the GET vs POST thing is in the dev ML | 21:18 |
| mriedem | tdurakov: are you around? | 21:18 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I squashed the patch | 21:18 |
| mriedem | bauzas: yup | 21:18 |
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| mriedem | i don't have any notes for the live migration meeting | 21:18 |
| mriedem | so moving on | 21:18 |
| mriedem | sdague: did you make the api meeting this week? | 21:18 |
| mriedem | re: api, the last remaining spec we need for ocata is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393205/ | 21:19 |
| mriedem | and because i'm a terrible person i haven't gone back to review it yet | 21:19 |
| mriedem | but need to | 21:19 |
| mriedem | as does everyone else | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | that's the one about restricting the server list sort/filter parameters | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | thanks for Kevin_Zheng for continuing to update the spec | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | s/for/to/ | 21:20 |
| mriedem | moving on | 21:20 |
| mriedem | sriov/pci - lbeliveau? | 21:20 |
| mriedem | is that bi-weekly now and this wasn't the week? | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | i know moshele wants reviews on the pci whitelist regex patch | 21:20 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199488/ | 21:20 |
| mriedem | looks like jay got a review on it today | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: yeh, still working through that one. | 21:21 |
| mriedem | ok moving on again (damn quiet in here today) | 21:21 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: thanks | 21:21 |
| mriedem | gibi: are you around for notifications highlights? | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: I'm still chugging through mdbooth's libvirt imagebackend patch series. | 21:21 |
| kristian__ | mriedem: ping me when I can post my idea | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: and a few of the flavor notifications series. | 21:21 |
| mriedem | yar | 21:22 |
| mriedem | so on the notification subteam, they have things ready for review in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:22 |
| mriedem | L177 | 21:22 |
| mriedem | they are pretty mechanical and easy to review for people looking for something to review | 21:22 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | nothing on the agenda, did anyone have anything they wanted to bring up? | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | kristian__: go | 21:23 |
| kristian__ | #idea Can there be a metadata option to attach gpu as a main display source? | 21:23 |
| mriedem | as in image metadata? | 21:24 |
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| kristian__ | no in a flavor | 21:24 |
| mriedem | so a flavor extra spec | 21:24 |
| kristian__ | yes | 21:24 |
| mriedem | which virt drivers support that? | 21:25 |
| mriedem | i.e. we generally want things like this to be supportable across the hypervisor drivers | 21:25 |
| kristian__ | don't know but it should be possible on vanilla qemu/kvm, because I have it running like that in proxmox and before that normally on arch as a "second pc" | 21:26 |
| mriedem | kristian__: i don't know the details, it'd probably be something that needs a spec | 21:26 |
| mriedem | to detail how this would be handled in the libvirt driver | 21:26 |
| mriedem | and then get the other virt driver maintainers to weigh in on if they could support the feature too | 21:27 |
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| mriedem | kristian__: do you have any other questions about that? | 21:28 |
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| mriedem | note that we're not accepting new specs for the current ocata release | 21:28 |
| kristian__ | it should work natively but novnc will not work | 21:28 |
| mriedem | so this would have to be proposed for the pike release | 21:28 |
| kristian__ | ok np | 21:28 |
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| mriedem | the nova-specs repo has the pike structure now though so you can start working on the spec and propose it for the next release | 21:28 |
| mriedem | details about novnc not working would be good to have in there | 21:28 |
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| mriedem | sahid might be a good person on the libvirt driver team to talk to about this | 21:29 |
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| mriedem | ok, anyone else for anything else? | 21:29 |
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| jaypipes | mriedem: not from me. | 21:29 |
| mriedem | me neither | 21:29 |
| kristian__ | mriedem: could you propose that spec? because Im not a python and or openstack dev | 21:29 |
| mriedem | kristian__: nope | 21:30 |
| mriedem | kristian__: you could write it up as a backlog spec | 21:30 |
| mriedem | backlog specs in the nova-specs repo are just basically laying out a high level idea with some details, | 21:30 |
| kristian__ | mriedem: where? | 21:30 |
| mriedem | and then if a developer is interested in working on implementing it, they can take the backlog spec and flesh it out | 21:30 |
| mriedem | kristian__: https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/backlog/index.html | 21:30 |
| mriedem | the spec template is a guide for what to put in the doc, and where you can stop if you're just doing a backlog spec | 21:31 |
| mriedem | backlog specs aren't tied to a given release, they are just a way to put out a feature request / idea | 21:31 |
| mriedem | you don't need to know python, just to write up the idea | 21:31 |
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| mriedem | kristian__: if you have more questions you can ask in the #openstack-nova channel after the meeting | 21:32 |
| mriedem | which i'm going to end, now | 21:32 |
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| kristian__ | ok | 21:32 |
| mriedem | thanks everyone | 21:32 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 8 21:32:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-12-08-21.02.html | 21:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-12-08-21.02.txt | 21:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-12-08-21.02.log.html | 21:32 |
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| * bauzas needs to use Google Agenda... | 21:33 | |
| bauzas | :( | 21:33 |
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| cdent | p!spy openstack-nova | 21:34 |
| cdent | fail | 21:34 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: meeting? | 22:01 |
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| armax | hello | 22:01 |
| armax | who else is there? | 22:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 22:01 |
| armax | I am trying to get hold of amotoki but to no avail so far | 22:02 |
| haleyb | lurking | 22:02 |
| armax | I don’t have a specific agenda | 22:02 |
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| ihrachys | I am fine with canceling if that's what you imply, I will then spend the time for some more reviews | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | exactly what someone with a hidden agenda would say | 22:03 |
| armax | I did polish some of the milestone items from last week | 22:03 |
| armax | ihrachys: actually I wonder if we should brainstorm a bit on the discussion that stemmed from the dnsmasq patch revert | 22:03 |
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| ihrachys | armax: ok seems like you want to trigger the logging then | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | about dnsmasq minimums? | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | or what? | 22:04 |
| pcarver | armax: If you cancel maybe you can spend the time helping me figure out some of my questions on API definition changes | 22:04 |
| armax | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 8 22:04:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:04 |
| armax | pcarver: did you check that patch I sent you? | 22:04 |
| armax | pcarver: if you have still outstanding questions I am happy to answer | 22:04 |
| armax | but let’s go in order | 22:04 |
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| armax | so no formal agenda | 22:05 |
| pcarver | armax: I gave it a quick look. I need to spend more time on it. | 22:05 |
| armax | pcarver: ok, please have a deeper look | 22:05 |
| armax | and then come back if your questions are still unanswered :) | 22:05 |
| armax | we’ll be here | 22:05 |
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| armax | pcarver: needless to say I’ll review the patches you asked about between today and tomorrow | 22:06 |
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| armax | kevinbenton, ihrachys regarding package version minimums | 22:06 |
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| armax | ihrachys has https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402004/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402003/ | 22:06 |
| armax | up for review | 22:06 |
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| armax | ihrachys wanna provide a quick summary? | 22:07 |
| ihrachys | ok, sec | 22:08 |
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| ihrachys | so, first, since we don't gate on anything but xenial, we risk landing breaking patches for other platforms | 22:08 |
| ihrachys | specifically, centos/rhel | 22:08 |
| armax | on another note I’d like to talk about kevinbenton’s attempt to switch from lazy to subqueries | 22:08 |
| ihrachys | that happened several times in last months | 22:09 |
| armax | ihrachys: you may want to add sles to that list :P | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | armax: no idea if that was ever broken, otherwise I am fine :) | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | so far the solution was either quick-revert, or patching code with some conditionals that would not use some 'newer' options from e.g. dnsmasq on older platforms | 22:10 |
| armax | ihrachys: I mean, that’s yet another distro we may want to care about soon enough | 22:10 |
| ihrachys | reverts are not nice because it often means a bug re-exposed; while conditionals suck and add complexity | 22:10 |
| armax | ihrachys: ok, as we stand we reverted and didn’t land any workaround | 22:10 |
| ihrachys | yep, and that sucks | 22:10 |
| armax | agreed | 22:10 |
| armax | I think we as upstream team need to agree on how to approach ‘bleeding edge’ development | 22:11 |
| ihrachys | so it would still be nice to have some way to exress minimal versions that we really require (even if maybe quite conservative) | 22:11 |
| armax | in other words | 22:11 |
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| ihrachys | I am not sure if dnsmasq 2.67+ is 'bleeding'... ;) | 22:12 |
| armax | when and how we bring new stuff that may affect/be affected by runtime deps | 22:12 |
| armax | ihrachys: you know what I mean | 22:12 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachys: scabbing edge? | 22:13 |
| armax | I recall situations involving ipset, dnsmasq and ovs that affected what goes in our codebase | 22:13 |
| armax | but first and foremost I would like to ask this question to you guys and see what you think | 22:13 |
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| ihrachys | I think it makes sense to make an effort to support popular platforms | 22:14 |
| armax | when Neutron ships on X (X being Ocata, Newton, etc) do we assume that Neutron supports platform A version R+, B version S+, C version T+ | 22:15 |
| armax | or the other way around? | 22:15 |
| armax | like platform A version R+ supports Neutron X, X-1, X-2? | 22:15 |
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| armax | because the answer really changes how we go about this | 22:16 |
| ihrachys | since platforms are traditionally a lot more slow, I think it's neutron supporting them, not vice versa. platforms can't adopt too quick for our style. | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | i sort of assume we can run on newer distros | 22:16 |
| armax | kevinbenton: but it seems we must do in a bw-compat way | 22:16 |
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| ihrachys | now, EL is very special in its slowliness; but even Xenial will stay on whatever they picked for next years. | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | armax: other way around | 22:16 |
| armax | but we have no clear mechanism to identify when to get rid of the plumbing code | 22:17 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: i assume the newer platforms have backwards compatibility in mind for the things we use | 22:17 |
| kevinbenton | armax: but i suppose xenial being painful proved that wrong... | 22:17 |
| armax | kevinbenton: not necessarily | 22:17 |
| armax | because the 2.67 issue we hit demonstrated that | 22:17 |
| kevinbenton | armax: how so? | 22:17 |
| kevinbenton | did 2.67 break something that used to work? | 22:17 |
| armax | apparently that was supposed to be bw-compat but we can’t really tell because 2.67 doesn’t mean anything as it’s not honored | 22:18 |
| ihrachys | armax: well that's probably because we don't have a clear protocol behind introducing new deps/bumping versions. I would think that e.g. carrying a conditional for a cycle (with a clear statement that it's going away in next release) is bearable. | 22:18 |
| armax | no, I mean Neutron added something that was supposed to work on 2.67 | 22:18 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton: we started using --rr-param from dnsmasq 2.67+ and turned out centos is on 2.66 | 22:18 |
| armax | but actually that’s not quite what happened | 22:18 |
| armax | right | 22:19 |
| armax | it was furtuitous | 22:19 |
| kevinbenton | right, but that's the opposite of what i'm talking about | 22:19 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton: and yes, we indicated it with sanity check before that minimal version is 2.67 | 22:19 |
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| kevinbenton | i was saying i assume that xenial for example should work with ocata/newton/mitaka/liberty | 22:20 |
| armax | ok, let me step back, I think there are two issues here: | 22:20 |
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| armax | a) in neutron we cannot really trust package versions | 22:20 |
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| kevinbenton | why not? i thought centos was on 2.66 | 22:20 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton: yeah, but 2.66 + ~20 patches from 2.67+, including features | 22:21 |
| armax | b) when we introduce features we cannot do by assuming the required dependency can be easily fullfilled | 22:21 |
| armax | ihrachys, kevinbenton do you at least agre with the two issues? | 22:21 |
| kevinbenton | armax: i'm not sure where we cut off | 22:22 |
| armax | kevinbenton: elaborate | 22:22 |
| armax | pls | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | armax: do we support centos 4? | 22:22 |
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| ihrachys | yeah. though I believe that we should have some way to finally trust/assume some minimal versions and stop carrying about anything lower. | 22:22 |
| armax | well we need to come up with a reasonable answer we all agree on | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | armax: are are we going to maintain a list of blessed distributiongs | 22:22 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton: latest EL, latest SLES, latest ubuntu LTS | 22:23 |
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| armax | perhaps we support until the distro/version that worked on the latest supported Neutron upstream version | 22:23 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton: I think there was already some global openstack discussion before where latest ubuntu and latest EL were identified as 'supported'. I would need to dig latest TC meeting logs to find links. | 22:24 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachys: ack. i would feel comfortable doing that if other projects or the TC have gone down this path | 22:24 |
| ihrachys | armax: elaborate the last suggestion. | 22:24 |
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| ihrachys | armax: do you suggest we can't bump minimal distro dep until old stable is EOL? | 22:24 |
| armax | ihrachys: certainly | 22:24 |
| armax | ihrachys: first of all I am thinking we should make sure reviews like the one that trigger this discussion do not get fall through the cracks | 22:25 |
| ihrachys | armax: fall as in land or as in reverted and not re-proposed? | 22:25 |
| armax | so for now I’d suggest that anything that touches/need runttime changes be identified for discussion/revision | 22:25 |
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| armax | at the team meeting or drivers meeting | 22:26 |
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| armax | ihrachys: correct | 22:26 |
| armax | ihrachys: ideally we catch these premerge | 22:26 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: so xenial is obviously tested, is it time to add others since we don't know we've broken on them sometimes for months (did that make sense?) | 22:26 |
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| armax | haleyb: adding others as in adding more jobs is not something we can quite do effectively if we were the only ones doing it | 22:27 |
| armax | haleyb: hence it needs to be a wider community effort | 22:27 |
| haleyb | right, we can't be the only ones in this boat | 22:27 |
| armax | ihrachys: but let me elaborate on the point that ihrachys was asking about | 22:27 |
| armax | say for instance that Mitaka was tested on Trusty | 22:27 |
| armax | and we know it works | 22:28 |
| armax | we can’t add anything to neutron that won’t work on Trusty until Mitaka is dropped | 22:28 |
| armax | which is quite tricky to do | 22:28 |
| armax | because this would mean that if we wanted CI for this we’d have to test Newton and Ocata on Trusty and that’s opposite to what infra is asking us to do | 22:29 |
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| ihrachys | armax: even in Newton+? why can't we keep Mitaka on Trusty but Newton+ on Xenial? I don't see how you would achieve what you propose without gating. | 22:29 |
| ihrachys | meh, I don't think we should go that far. it makes our lives even more complex. | 22:29 |
| haleyb | maybe the better answer is we can't backport something to stable/mitaka that doesn't work on trusty, which i think is what was just said ^^ | 22:30 |
| ihrachys | I think it's fine to land anything Xenial-ish in Newton+; if we need to backport a patch, we will catch an issue with it in Mitaka if it's incompatible with Trusty, and we'll deal with it then | 22:30 |
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| armax | but that would mean backporting features too | 22:31 |
| haleyb | we typically don't backport breakages like this since we don't backport features | 22:31 |
| ihrachys | armax: not necessarily; --rr-param thing was a bug fix | 22:31 |
| armax | unless we’d attempt the backport just to try | 22:31 |
| armax | and validate a dependency | 22:31 |
| ihrachys | (ok, rr-param was Wishlist; but e.g. dhcp_release6 was definitely a bug fix) | 22:32 |
| armax | ihrachys: so I hear that we can only handle this on a case by case basis to keep our sanity? | 22:33 |
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| armax | perhaps we start adding experimental jobs that test/validate neutron on some distros that work in the gate | 22:34 |
| ihrachys | armax: I suggested that minimal deps are per-branch (which reflects infra way) | 22:34 |
| armax | and by a combination of early catching patches and proactive review we can identify whether we have to put conditionals in place or not | 22:35 |
| ihrachys | as for exact problem of not being able to depend on dnsmasq 2.67+ version, I think a nice solution would be to have a clear protocol that allows us to track (and bump) minimal deps in tree | 22:35 |
| armax | such conditionals should not be version-based for the reasons that ihrachys identified on that patch I linked above | 22:35 |
| ihrachys | and we would just make sure that if e.g. a new feature needs version X, then we bump up to X in next cycle only, and in current cycle, we add some conditional boilerplate | 22:36 |
| ihrachys | so that platforms have a chance to react | 22:36 |
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| ihrachys | armax: I think at some point, it's ok to state minimal version and relax; just not at the exact same moment when we decide to land a patch using a new version | 22:36 |
| armax | ihrachys: but I don’t see the point | 22:37 |
| ihrachys | just give some time for platforms to catch up; if they don't, let them deal with breakage | 22:37 |
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| armax | if we can’t trust versions once, we can’t trust them ever | 22:37 |
| ihrachys | armax: the point is in managing complexity on neutron side without keeping it indefinitely; while at the same time giving a chance for platforms to catch up without gate breakages | 22:38 |
| armax | righ | 22:38 |
| armax | t | 22:38 |
| armax | so I am thinking about the following | 22:38 |
| ihrachys | armax: I believe if we give clear signal that we are going to break any version below X in next cycle, that will make platforms to react | 22:38 |
| armax | each patch that interacts with the runtime should probably have extra scrutiny in review | 22:38 |
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| armax | perhaps a DistroImpact tag on the commit message can help us keep them all in one place | 22:39 |
| armax | and make them easier to review | 22:39 |
| ihrachys | UpgradeImpact? | 22:39 |
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| armax | ihrachys: that would work too | 22:39 |
| armax | though | 22:40 |
| armax | we’re being more stringent here as we’re asking any runtime related change to be vetted | 22:40 |
| armax | I didn’t suggest to add the UpgradeImpact on the patch we reverted | 22:40 |
| armax | because we’ve been running 2.67 in the gate for ages | 22:40 |
| armax | anyhoo so long as we make folks aware of the stricter rules | 22:41 |
| armax | UpgradeImpact is fine by me | 22:41 |
| ihrachys | I am also going to propose something formal on how we could also track minimal versions in distro friendly way (was planning this week, but had a week-long event happening here). I think we may come up with something that would allow us to eventually start assuming 2.67+ without being at fault of any breakage that may ensue. | 22:41 |
| armax | at the same time if we put together some experimental jobs in our queue to test on distros we care about | 22:42 |
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| armax | for the time being, at least we can fire them up when we see an *-Impact patch | 22:42 |
| ihrachys | makes sense | 22:42 |
| ihrachys | we started on centos one in neutron gate | 22:42 |
| armax | and make a decision accordinly, i.e. put conditionals in place | 22:42 |
| armax | and whatnot | 22:42 |
| ihrachys | it fails, but we'll have folks from puppet looking at it | 22:43 |
| armax | which one is it? | 22:43 |
| ihrachys | armax: we may need a policy update | 22:43 |
| ihrachys | armax: I can try to bake something if you like | 22:43 |
| ihrachys | armax: sec, looking in git | 22:43 |
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| armax | we can’t run the same full job we run but just changing the node? | 22:43 |
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| armax | I’d hate to depend on some other project except tempest and devstack to run these jobs | 22:44 |
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| ihrachys | armax: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402463/ the patch adding the job | 22:44 |
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| ihrachys | armax: nah, I mean puppet folks have motivation to help us fixing the job :) | 22:44 |
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| armax | we need to clean up the experimental queue a bit | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | armax: in theory we can run same, it just fails. apparently devstack integration has issues to solve for the platform. | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | armax: at least trusty flavours could be removed | 22:46 |
| ihrachys | also, ovs-native seems redundant now that it's for Mitaka only | 22:46 |
| armax | ihrachys: ok, that’s an offline topic, I’ll take care of it later | 22:46 |
| armax | ihrachys: so we have somewhat reached a conclusion? | 22:47 |
| armax | a) be more strict on how we flag impacting changes that touch the runtime deps | 22:47 |
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| armax | b) add distro coverage on an experimental basis so that we have a tool to proactively see what we break ahead of merge | 22:47 |
| armax | c) decide support/development strategy on a case-by-case basis? | 22:48 |
| armax | kevinbenton: ^ | 22:48 |
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| kevinbenton | sounds fine | 22:48 |
| kevinbenton | how hard is it to make those experimental jobs? | 22:49 |
| armax | kevinbenton: not hard | 22:49 |
| armax | now looking at the experimental queue | 22:49 |
| armax | I see postgres | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | dont' they require some upkeep to ensure that infra doesn't break? | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | well it's a little different for the OS level isn't it? | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | maintaining images and whatnot | 22:49 |
| armax | kevinbenton: we can add them on the periodic queue too | 22:49 |
| armax | and we can monitor on a daily basis | 22:50 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton: yes; for centos, we are currently looking for some staffing from RH to uplift support for the platform | 22:50 |
| armax | about PG, do we want to ask reviewers to fire experimental runs to see how PG behaves on DB changes? | 22:51 |
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| armax | I mean, this is a seperate discussion but now that we are talking about distro deps... | 22:51 |
| ihrachys | armax: + on the a-c), though we may consider changing c) from case-by-case to as-per-defined-protocol if we will later agree on such a protocol. | 22:51 |
| armax | ihrachys: we’d have to document and evangelize this | 22:52 |
| armax | ihrachys: if you can come up with a protocol proposal, I think you just volunteered to put this together in some doc, didn’t you? :) | 22:52 |
| ihrachys | armax: yes, and I think a-c) needs capture irrespective of later changes, so we can start with that, and then follow up if needed. | 22:53 |
| armax | I’ll add a section to the team meeting to highlight UpgradeImpact patches in flight | 22:53 |
| ihrachys | armax: yes, I will propose policy update | 22:53 |
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| armax | we have 7 minutes left | 22:53 |
| armax | pcarver: you still there? | 22:54 |
| armax | as for kevinbenton’s attempt to switch to subquery vs lazy | 22:54 |
| armax | ihrachys: I was wondering if you can spare a moment and drop your thoughts on his patch | 22:54 |
| ihrachys | armax: link? | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | i think we should just adopt a policy of using subqueries for anything that isn't a 1:1 | 22:55 |
| ihrachys | because I definitely miss context | 22:55 |
| kevinbenton | iit's not ready :) | 22:55 |
| kevinbenton | armax was too fast | 22:55 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408143/ | 22:55 |
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| armax | ok | 22:55 |
| armax | to wrap up | 22:56 |
| armax | #action armax to clean up the experimental queue for a bit | 22:56 |
| ihrachys | ok I will need to read some more | 22:56 |
| armax | #action ihrachys to propose policy changes | 22:56 |
| armax | #action kevinbenton to continue breaking neutron | 22:56 |
| armax | we good? | 22:56 |
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| armax | :) | 22:56 |
| ihrachys | armax: re postgresql, I think it should go into some periodical dash on grafana | 22:56 |
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| armax | ihrachys: that’s what I am gonna do | 22:56 |
| armax | ihrachys: I’ll tag you on the infra patch | 22:56 |
| kevinbenton | are any other projects still supporting it? | 22:56 |
| ihrachys | + | 22:56 |
| armax | kevinbenton: last time I checked nova gates on it | 22:57 |
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| ihrachys | kevinbenton: afaik suse openstack still goes with postgresql | 22:57 |
| armax | but maybe no-more | 22:57 |
| armax | ihrachys: yeah, they do | 22:57 |
| armax | :P | 22:57 |
| ihrachys | armax: you will learn it in a month! | 22:57 |
| armax | I can’t see any pg- job in the nova queue nova | 22:58 |
| armax | but I’ll double check | 22:58 |
| armax | ihrachys: surely less than that :) | 22:58 |
| armax | ok folks | 22:58 |
| armax | 2 minutes | 22:58 |
| armax | ihrachys: go to be | 22:58 |
| armax | d | 22:58 |
| ihrachys | I think every time after RC, we get a list of 'critical' patches for PSQL to land | 22:58 |
| armax | haleyb: thanks for joining | 22:58 |
| armax | cheerio | 22:59 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
| haleyb | armax: np, not dinnertime yet | 22:59 |
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| ihrachys | maybe it's easier to pay some attention during the cycle not to rush in random fixes at RC | 22:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 8 22:59:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-12-08-22.04.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-12-08-22.04.txt | 22:59 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-12-08-22.04.log.html | 22:59 |
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| pcarver | armax: I'm here but leaving soon | 23:03 |
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| pcarver | I think I get the general idea of dynamically adding validators. I just need to figure out exactly figure out exactly how much code I have to re-jigger | 23:06 |
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