Thursday, 2016-12-22

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ekcstime for congress meeting. masahito ramineni_ aimeeu00:02
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masahitohi all00:02
ekcshi all!00:03
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ekcsI have a short agenda today.00:05
ekcs- ocata-200:05
ekcs- manual testing script00:05
ekcs- status00:05
ekcs- open discussion00:05
ekcsanything else people wanna add?00:05
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ekcsalrite let’s get started then.00:08
ekcs#topic ocata-200:08
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ekcsJust an update that ocata-2 was released last week. No major issues there. Any questions/comments?00:09
ekcsokay then = )00:10
ekcsthat reminds me. quick topic on ocata-3.00:10
ekcs#topic ocata-300:10
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ekcsRetargeted a few things to Ocata-3.00:10
ekcsnot many high priority items on the list right now, which is good because the deadline is coming up early in january!00:11
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ekcsplease feel free to add other bugs / BPs you’re targeting for ocata-3.00:12
ekcsany questions or comments?00:12
ekcsalright then = )00:13
ekcs#topic manual testing script00:13
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ekcswith ocata-3 and RC1 fast approaching, it’s important to think about manual testing some more.00:14
ekcswe all have our own ways of doing manual testing, but it’s not totally clear what the overall coverage is, and we may also have a lot of duplicate effort.00:15
ekcsso I thought it’d help everyone to collect together 1 or several manual testing “scripts” (not necessarily automated) we each use and make it available for everyone to use and improve updon.00:16
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ekcsHere is a start:
ekcswhat do you think about adding our own tests to the “script” there and eventually maybe add it to the repo.00:18
ekcsnot sure yet whether it should be one script or many scripts.00:18
masahitounder congress repo seems to be better.00:18
ekcsyea I’m treating this as an etherpad for us to quickly add things to it before more permanently putting into repo.00:19
ekcsmaybe I should do an actual etherpad.00:19
ekcshere #link
ekcsor masahito do you think we should just commit to repo from the start?00:21
masahitoekcs: yes.00:21
masahitoeven though a file in the repo only lists what test we do in manual.00:22
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ekcsok. I feel like when first getting started, there will be many many changes in a short amount of time, and the review process would be too cumbersome in the beginning.00:23
ekcsbut that’s okay if people prefer that.00:23
masahitoThe reason I prefer to use the repo is anyone can see the test.00:24
masahitoekcs: I understand your concern.00:24
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ekcswould it address the desire if we do first couple weeks in etherpad then commit to repo?00:24
masahitoekcs: make sense00:24
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ekcsok then. any other thoughts?00:25
ekcsok next topic then.00:26
ekcs#topic status updates00:26
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ekcshaven’t done this in a while = )00:26
ekcsramineni_: looks like you have a lot of patches in review. would you like to give an update?00:27
ramineni_Not much .. worked upon some bugs and looking into dashboard part what we can improve00:29
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ramineni_I have registered BP for dashboard part ..If you feel anything else needs to be added .Can be updated there00:30
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ramineni_That's it from my side00:30
ekcsawesome. thanks ramineni_ !00:31
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ekcsthis patch seems ready to merge?
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masahitoI think so00:32
ekcsok then.00:33
ekcsmasahito: would you like to give an update?00:33
masahitoekcs: sure00:33
ramineni_I missed masahito comment on the patch ..I'll quickly update it00:33
masahitoI'm working on devstack plugin registers out-of-box policies.00:34
masahitoI could push the patch in this week.00:34
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masahitoSorry, not big progress. Recently, other tasks interrupt me.00:35
masahitothat's from my side.00:35
ekcsramineni_: awesome! feel free to approve it right away.00:35
ekcsmasahito: thanks! it’s all good we all know there are many things on our plates = )00:36
ekcsmasahito: looking forward to the out-of-the-box policy work!00:36
ekcsquick update from me.00:37
ekcsMain focus has been these two bugs:00:37
openstackLaunchpad bug 1637172 in congress "rule using policy:table(…) reference fails to create" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Eric K (ekcs)00:37
openstackLaunchpad bug 1638746 in congress "two nodes may insert rules causing unsupported recursion" [High,New] - Assigned to Eric K (ekcs)00:37
ekcsThe first one has a simple solution in review:
ekcsThe second one a rather complex and has many trade-offs. But I expect to have a patch soon.00:37
ekcsadditionally, also want to focus on creating a solid manual testing script for ocata QA00:38
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ekcsbeen behind on some code reviews but working on catching up!00:38
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ekcsthat’s all from me.00:38
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ekcsoh and also researching and talking to people about the API design issue.00:39
ekcs#topic open discusion00:40
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ekcslots of time for open discussion = )00:41
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ekcsramineni_: we could discuss the API name/id issue here if you think it’d be helpful. or we can just continue on gerrit if you think that works better.00:42
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ekcshas anyone registered and/or arranged travel for PTG?00:44
ekcsI’m looking to do mine this week.00:44
masahitoI've done.00:45
ekcsoh great. which days are you planning to be there?00:45
masahitoI plan to get to there on Mon. and leave on Sat.00:45
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ekcsawesome. do you know what you expect to be involved in in the early part of the week?00:47
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masahitoI'll check oslo or kolla team in the early part if they have interesting topic.00:48
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masahitoif they don't have, I focus on recovering from jet-lag :-)00:49
ekcshaha perfect.00:49
ekcsanyway seems we don't have any pressing issues to discuss. Should we end early?00:49
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masahitoI'm in neutral. depending on others.00:50
ekcsok. let’s call it then.00:51
ekcsGreat catching up with you all and see you next week!00:51
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masahitoI have one topic00:52
ekcsoh okay. haha just in time.00:52
masahitoDo we have weekly meeting in next week?00:53
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ekcshmm that’s up to us I guess. I’m open either way. masahito ramineni_ would you like to have a meeting next week or better to skip it?00:54
masahitoIn other words, we have this meeting end of this year and beginning of next year?00:54
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ekcsso the days in question are 12/29 and 1/5 right?00:55
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masahitoI could join 12/29 but prefer to skip it.00:55
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ekcstim won’t be here on 12/29 but expects to be back for 1/5.00:55
ekcsramineni_: do you have any preferences?00:56
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ekcsmasahito: what about 1/5 do you have a preference there?00:57
masahitoI'm ok on 1/5.00:57
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ekcsok then let’s skip on 12/29 and come back 1/5 then.00:58
ekcsI’ll write an announcement to ML.00:58
masahitoekcs: thanks00:58
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ekcsthanks for bringing it up! I didn’t think about it because i didn’t know whether the end of year period matters to people in asia.00:59
ekcsanyway times up now. see you guys 1/5!01:00
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masahitosee you, have a holiday o/01:01
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ianychoiHello. Anyone here for I18n meeting?13:01
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ianychoiOh jftalta hi!13:01
jftaltaHello ianychoi13:01
ianychoiSorry for last week. I was so busy with other things..13:02
jftaltadon't worry, not a problem for me13:02
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ianychoiThanks.. then although there are no others let's start :)13:03
ianychoi#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting13:03
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ianychoi#topic Review on last meeting actions13:04
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ianychoiThere were two action items on the last meeting.13:04
ianychoiThanks to Alex Eng, now I have admin privilege on Zanata in translate-dev.openstack.org13:05
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jftaltaIt's a good thing13:05
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ianychoiYep Also he said that he would run some sanity test and make sure Zanata runs properly..13:06
ianychoiYep :) How about French landing page?13:06
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ianychoiI remember that you have asked some questions and I think I answered..13:06
jftaltaI submitted the patch this morning13:06
ianychoiWow nice. Could you share the link with "#link" ?13:07
ianychoiThanks. Let me see it..13:08
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ianychoiThanks a lot13:09
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ianychoiOkay.. then moving on the next topic?13:10
jftaltaLinks lead to a 404...13:10
ianychoijftalta, that will be fine13:10
ianychoiAfter merging to, then it will be fine13:10
jftaltanext topic if you want13:11
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ianychoiOkay.. maybe the next precedure would be to apply newer index.html page theme like (with pictures and more buttons)13:12
ianychoiDo you want to add them later?13:12
jftaltayes I do. The page will be nicer13:13
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ianychoiI see. I have just thought that another possible procedure to patch like this theme would be to initially submit a patch with coarse translation by me and then you will give feedback (comments, revising patch, and so on), and so on..13:14
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jftaltaok, good idea13:15
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ianychoiOkay let's do like that way :)13:16
ianychoi#action jftalta and ianychoi will apply themes on French landing page after current patch is merged13:16
ianychoi#topic Wrapping up for this year in I18n team13:16
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ianychoiI have written this topic just to recall what happened in this year..13:17
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jftaltayou mean the main events I suppose13:18
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ianychoiYep main events :)13:18
jftaltaNew language(s)13:18
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ianychoiYep there are a few new languages: Romanian and Lao13:19
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ianychoiAnd there have been lots of translation contribution from Indonedia13:20
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ianychoiWe had one virtual sprint on January this year13:20
ianychoiStackalytics now supports "Translation" metric13:21
ianychoiAlso, there are total three PTLs: Daisy, Kato-san and me..13:22
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ianychoiHmm.. so lots of things happen13:23
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ianychoibut it is difficult to iterate all :)13:23
jftaltaYes. It's hard to summarize a whole year in just a few minutes13:25
ianychoijftalta, what is your the best memorable event in this year?13:25
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jftaltafrom I18n project point of view ? From OpenStack one's ?13:26
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ianychoiMy asking is for I18n point of view but OpenStack one's is also fine13:26
jftaltaThe work session in Barcelona was great !13:27
ianychoiThanks :)13:27
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jftaltaAnd Austin was a great summit13:28
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ianychoiFor me, PTL activities maybe13:28
ianychoi... what I meant that I have never thought PTL role13:29
ianychoiAlthough I am still busy but I really would like to do more13:29
jftaltaI know...13:30
ianychoiFor OpenStack one, it was very great to participate in two Summits this year13:31
ianychoi, although I just attended a few days..13:31
ianychoiNext year, I will try to stay more days13:31
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ianychoiHi ujuc !13:32
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jftaltaHi ujuc13:32
ujuci late. sorry.13:32
ianychoiFine :)13:32
jftaltaI'll stay the whole week in Boston13:33
ianychoime and jftalta are simply talking to wrap up what happened in this year13:33
ianychoiWow nice13:33
jftaltaianychoi: and what about you ?13:34
jftaltaAre you going to PTG in Atlanta ?13:34
ianychoijftalta, yes I will try travel support for PTG in Atlanta13:35
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ianychoiCurrently, there is no mention "I18n" but I think it will be nice for me to attend Documentation room on Mon-Tue13:36
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jftaltaYes. I think it's important that I18n PTL attends the first PTG.13:37
ianychoiand also discuss i18n things for people who are interested in I18n and also I will go to Horizon room to discuss StringFreeze related things..13:37
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jftaltaof course13:37
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ianychoiYep :)13:38
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jftaltaI18n is an "horizontal" team, like Doc13:39
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ianychoiActually, a few months ago, I talked with ttx for room allocation13:39
ianychoiHowever, I replied that I18n does not need a room, since only few i18n members will attend to PTG13:40
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ianychoiInstead, I think I need to more look at other horizontal teams and also some server projects, listen to what's their point of views for i18n, and so on..13:41
jftaltaOk. I understand why I18n is not mentioned in the Atlanta PTG agenda13:41
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ianychoiBut I think current PTG homepage looks that i18n will not attend PTG13:42
ianychoiI will talk with Foundation members :)13:42
ianychoiThe next topic is "Zanata upgrade status" but we already briefly discussed in reviewing last action items..13:43
ianychoiCan I move to open discussion?13:43
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jftaltaok for me13:43
ianychoi#topic Open discussions13:44
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jftaltaI forgot to tell you something about Zanata ...13:45
ianychoijftalta, oh which one?13:45
ianychoiujuc, would you review French landing page: ? :)13:46
jftaltaI gave a try to but it failed with and https error13:46
ianychoiHmm.. could you share log messages via
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jftaltaI will email the paste link13:48
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ianychoiOkay I see13:49
ianychoiFor me, it works well with this command for example: "$ python -s 2016-12-01 -e 2016-12-21 -l ko-KR -p openstack-manuals -o test.csv translation_team.yaml"13:50
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ianychoiOh too said.. only me and ujuc contributed translations in December for openstack-manuals..13:51
jftaltaand zanata-dev ?13:51
ianychoiThis now works :)13:52
ianychoiI have not tested 10-14, but today I received admin privilege on translate-dev.o.o from aeng13:53
ianychoiSo I will test them13:53
ianychoiAll seem to go a little bit slow.. but the good news that we are going for positive world :(13:54
jftaltaYes we are !13:54
ianychoiBy the way, thanks a lot, jftalta, especially attending IRC meetings13:55
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ianychoiOn early next year, I would like to open a mail loop via language coordinators: IRC meeting partcipation, i18n governance(?) and core-reviewers13:56
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jftaltaMy pleasure. And for the good of OpenStack community and technology13:56
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ianychoiOne my idea is that each language team with sufficient translation work can have one core reviewer13:57
jftalta+1. That will be a good warm-up13:58
ianychoiAnd another is that each language team will be regarded as specialty teams in docs team13:58
jftaltaAh, why not13:59
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ianychoiI want to more talk with language coordinators..13:59
ianychoiYep let's wrap up today meeting13:59
ianychoiMerry Christmas and happy new year!13:59
ianychoiAlso have a good holiday :)14:00
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andreaf#startmeeting qa17:00
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andreafhello dear QA engineers - who's here today?17:00
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andreafhi jordanP :)17:00
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andreafHello scottda17:01
andreaflet's wait a couple of minutes more to see if someone else joins17:01
* andreaf thinks the holiday season has started for many already17:02
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andreafAgenda for today: #link
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andreafok it's 3 past, let's get started17:03
andreafFirst topic, I just wanted to quickly remind folks about the PTG17:03
andreafI don't think we have an etherpad with topics yet, but talking with folks a couple of things emerged17:04
andreafi.e. squash class hierarchy, fix neutron scenario17:04
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jordanPwho will be there ? I will17:04
andreafwhich would be good to tackle17:04
andreafI will be there17:04
rodrigodsi won't :( will miss lots of keystone stuff too17:05
andreafI think oomichi will be there17:05
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DavidPurcellI live in Atlanta, so I will be there.17:05
rodrigodsDavidPurcell, ++17:05
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andreafso beginning of next year we should start an etherpad and start to decide in advance what we are going to be working on to make the best of our time together there17:06
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jordanP squash class hierarchy, fix neutron scenario are good topics btw17:06
andreaf#action oomichi setup and etherpad for QA at the PTG17:06
* andreaf assigns actions to absents :P17:07
andreafok anything else on PTG?17:07
andreaf#topic Specs Reviews17:07
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andreafanything on specs?17:08
rodrigodsandreaf, there is one ayoung wants to revert17:08
rodrigodsmaybe we can discuss?17:08
rodrigodsif he is available...17:08
rodrigodsoh there he is17:08
ayoungone sec17:09
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andreafheh I guess #link
ayounghaving troubler getting to Gerrit...17:10
rodrigodsyeah... that one17:10
ayoungso here is the deal17:10
ayoungwe've been associating policy and RBAC for so long, that you guys thought we were serious17:10
ayoungwe were, but we are not anymore17:10
ayounghere is where we are headed:17:10
ayoungwe are planning on splitting RBAC from policy, and enforcing RBAC earlier, in the keystonemiddleware phase17:10
ayoungthere are many reasons for this, and you can read them on the spec I linked in the review...17:11
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ayoungSince this is totally unfair to you guys, I figured I would give you a big heads up by proposing a Revert17:11
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ayoungthere are a couple things we could do17:12
ayoung1.  rewrite this spec to be a general test of the policy framework, with a focus on the scope checking:17:12
ayoungscope checking meaning "does the project of the token match the project of the resource"17:12
ayoungthis is the main thing that we are going to expect oslo-policy based code to continie to enforce17:13
ayoungthere will also be service specific things...see the neutron policyu file for examples17:13
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ayoungthe roles needed to execute a specific operation, however, won't be a part of that, and the reverted spec was targeting exactly that17:13
ayoungso  the other thing we could do is17:14
ayoung2.  CHange this spec to test the RBAC as defined by the new mechanism17:14
rj2083regardless of where you enforce rbac, you still need to test it17:14
ayoungand that would be wonderful17:14
ayoungrj2083, yep17:14
ayoungand I am willing to drop the revert so long as we have a plan to test it as smart as possible17:15
DavidPurcellI like the 2nd approach.17:15
ayoungDavidPurcell, so do I.  The biggest issue is that the RBAC in middleware is still under development17:15
andreafwould we be able to write tests now that will work once the new mechanism is in place?17:15
ayoungbut doing QA along side the main code would be wonderful17:15
rodrigods2nd approach makes sense, although this needs to land first in keystonemiddleware side17:15
ayoungrodrigods, right...3 layers actually17:15
ayoung1.  keystone server17:16
ayoung2. keystoneclient17:16
ayoung3. keystonemiddleware17:16
ayoungI have  WIP for 117:16
rj2083and actually four layers17:16
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DavidPurcellayoung: Right.  That is why I wanted to start off testing the current method that centers around policies, and then once the new approach is added to Keystone, we can consider adding or changing to that approach.17:16
rj2083one for every service to pull out oslo.policy enforcement17:16
ayoungDavidPurcell, so I think we really want to test both17:16
ayoungwhen I said two options, I really mean, there are two things we need to do17:16
ayoung1 is to redirect the current effort to testing policy, but not focus on RBAC17:17
jordanP(DavidPurcell, is that related to the Patrole project ?)17:17
ayoung2 is to test RBAC in the middleware layer17:17
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rj2083in actuality all of this is external to patrole17:17
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ayoungthe example in the spec talks about testing RBAC for "compute_extension:services"17:18
ayoungnow, one major difference in the Middleware approach is that RBAC will be per URL, not per policy rule17:18
rj2083 i'm not sure why we would want to do any of this in your buleprint andrew, before the other services have removed oslo policy17:18
rj2083and defined everything in keystone alone17:18
ayoungso instead of  "compute_extension:services"17:18
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ayoungis would be service=compute url=/v2.1/thing/that/extends/services17:19
ayoungor whatnot17:19
ayoungI am really worried about Tempest and other tests locking us in to the existing policy approach based on RBAC, and then not being able to get the base code in17:19
ayoungI've seen that happen on other policy based work, so I did want to run up a big RED FLAG17:20
ayoungso, sorry for being a little grandiouse in the revert, but the message was important17:20
rj2083until it happens here17:20
rj2083i'm not worried17:20
rj2083and actually regardless of where the enforcement happens17:20
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rj2083the api flow will remain unchanged17:20
jordanPayoung, I think you did right. We (QA) shouldn't write tests that will delay or block what projects want17:20
jordanPI better have no test than wrong tests17:20
jordanPthat's just me though :)17:21
rj2083you will always call a service and the service will always enforce policy17:21
ayoungjordanP, and in this case, it will be a multi-project effort to get things set up.  I've been dealing with one of those for bug 96869617:21
openstackbug 968696 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) ""admin"-ness not properly scoped" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Adam Young (ayoung)17:21
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rj2083regardless of what it defers to or calls ono the back end17:21
rj2083none of the tests even need to be changed for this17:21
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ayoungrj2083, one of the big things is to defing the RBAC tests in terms of the APIs instead of the oslo-policy rules17:21
andreafjordanP, ayoung: well with Tempest we need to ensure backward compatibility on APIs, so if some API exists which is wrong today, we still need to ensure backward compatibility17:22
ayoungthe apis are almost all speced out in the api-ref docs...17:22
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rj2083that doesnt change the tests or how the spec is written though17:22
andreafjordanP, ayoung: that said I don't think this will have impact on the APIs or on the end user directly, willit?17:22
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rj2083and it doesnt invalidate or chanve any of the tests at all actualy17:22
ayoungandreaf, it should not.  Just on how the tests are written17:22
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ayoungrj2083, it might17:23
ayoungrj2083, there is the case where a single policy rule might be enforcing on two or more APIs17:23
ayoungor, conversley, a single API might end up calling into multiple policy rules17:23
ayoungboth are possible with the existing code17:23
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rj2083that happens already17:23
ayoungand short of a complete audit, we won't know which...17:23
rj2083and in actuality how does your spec change that?17:23
ayoungrj2083, yes17:24
ayoungrj2083, in my spec, the RBAC check is based on the URL, and executed prior to policy.json enforcement17:24
rj2083i dont see anything in your spec regarding conslidation of rbac policies accross services17:24
rj2083then your spec would require one service to talk to each other17:25
andreafayoung: so the main thing for me - from a QA PoV - is that we do not break existing users on APis17:25
ayoungrj2083, across services?  The defaults are pretty much per service.17:25
ayoungandreaf, agreed17:25
rj2083you were talking just now about services calling each other17:25
ayoungandreaf, the way my spec is slated to be implemented will have a no-effect until changes are actually made by the end user17:25
rj2083that's too broad of a statement to base anything off of17:25
ayoungrj2083, not even there,  you can have multiple policy enforcement points in the same API17:25
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rj2083yes you can, but you should still have tests to ensure they're enforced17:26
rj2083what youre saying right now changes nothing in patrole17:26
rj2083or in this spec at all17:26
rj2083if you don't want to change the default policies17:26
rj2083no one is forcing you to run patrole tests17:26
ayoungrj2083, if you reread the details of this spec, you see that the tests are talking about testing policy, but switching roles17:26
ayoungthat is what needs to change17:27
rj2083switching roles is part of the setup for tests17:27
rj2083not part of the crieteria for passing/failing the tests17:27
andreafayoung, rj2083: my proposal would be to revise the spec, and include in there what the tests will gating exactly, to make sure that we don't block development of the keystone spec, as long as the "do not break users" stays17:27
ayoungrj2083, then change the spec to be based on the URLs, and not the policy rules17:28
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ayoung    @rbac_rule_validation.action(17:28
ayoung        component="Compute",17:28
ayoung        rule="compute_extension:services")17:28
ayoungshould become17:28
rj2083that's implied n the spec17:28
andreafbecause that's not in the spec at the moment, so it's not clear what the tests would gate and how, and that's an important part of the story I think17:28
rj2083that we wpon't be breaking user api flow17:28
ayoung    @rbac_rule_validation.action(17:28
ayoung        component="Compute",17:28
ayoung        VERB="POST"  URL="/v2/service/blah")17:28
ayoungand that is a perfectly find way to go about doing it17:29
DavidPurcellI think this is why Oomichi wanted Patrole as a separate plugin rather than part of Tempest.  As it stands, it can be used by operators that want it (several LCOOs included).17:29
ayoungthe thing that the policy approach does not provide is a way to match the URL to the policy rule.  An end user knows the URL.  Or can figure it out from the client, etc17:30
jordanP(lcoo == Large Contributing OpenStack Operators)17:30
rj2083the action dictates the api route17:30
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DavidPurcelljordanP: Thanks :)17:30
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ayoungThe other thing to be wary of is that, with RBAC, end users should be defining a larger set of Roles17:31
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andreafayoung, rj2083, DavidPurcell, jordanP: so can we agree on an update on the spec?17:31
ayoungthe basic set we expect is to be:17:31
rj2083spec is fine17:31
rj2083no need to update17:31
jordanPI am not sure what to say, but at least we should wait :)17:31
andreafwe can clarify that such tests won't run in the integration gate17:31
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ayoungrj2083, spec needs to be updated17:31
rj2083i see no valid use case to update it other than to state obvious things man17:31
ayoungdo not do role checks against policuy rules17:31
ayoungyou will lock us in to the existing set of roles17:31
ayoungand that is absolutelty wrong17:31
rj2083no one's forcing a single set or exsiting roles17:32
ayoungThere is exactly one role you can bank on17:32
ayoungand that is admin17:32
ayoungtest RBAC against APIs, not policy rules17:32
rj2083we're submitting changes to every project to make admin-ness properly scoped17:32
rj2083the fact that admin is wehre it is today17:32
rj2083is because patrole didnt exist before17:32
rj2083and every large operator that's tried to do proper rbac17:32
rj2083has given up because of exactly this17:33
rj2083not because the policies weren't centralized17:33
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rj2083but because changing them has no effect because admin is hardcoded into the code in some cases17:33
ayoungrj2083, heh17:33
ayoungyou and I are tilting at the same windmills17:33
ayoungthey are definietly GIANTS17:33
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rj2083i agree17:34
rj2083i just dont think the specs have anything to do with each other17:34
rj2083and i've seen nothing here that chagnes that17:34
andreafrj2083, ayoung: ok folks, I thing everyone had space to make their point, we should continue the discussion on an IRC channel or on the spec - or if needed take it to the mailing list17:34
ayoungOK...I'm gone for then next 2 weeks17:34
rj2083i'll be on mailing list :)17:34
rj2083hit me up lets talk17:34
DavidPurcellsame for this week, then I will likely be gone for a week.17:35
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andreafwe need to continue with the QA meeting with the 25min left, sorry to cut the discussion17:35
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andreafI think a lot of folks will be away for some time now17:35
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andreaf#action rj2083 to write to the mailing list about RBAC testing17:36
andreafok anything else on specs?17:36
jordanPthat would be great, because I have a hard time understanding what you're proposing, altough it's clear you don't agree with each other17:37
andreafFrom my side I started again looking at #link - tempest stable fixtures17:37
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jordanPabout it, there might be an alternative17:39
jordanPconsistently use helpers method and the addCleanup mecanisms17:39
andreafI'm writing a PoC using testresources as suggested by lifeless - I see some value in that but also some issues - in the next year I will ask folks for reviews so we can decide if to use testresources or class level fixtures (as originally in the spec) - but for now I don't have enough to ask for reviews17:39
andreafjordanP: well what I was proposing there is to introduce an addCleanup that would work at class level17:40
jordanPok, I guess having network and credentials fixtures at class level is the best option. But we shouldn"t write let's say a "server fixture"17:41
andreafjordanP: but what lifeless tells me is that class level fixtures are evil, and we should just not use them, and instead use some mechanism like testresources to coordinate which resource needs to be refreshed / regenerated when17:41
andreafjordanP: yeah17:41
andreafjordanP: it17:41
andreafit's mainly about creds and networks and perhaps keypairs and s-g17:42
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andreafthe other thing is that plugins really need that stuff in lib, so we need to change that code anyways to make it a valid stable interface17:42
andreafI would like to decide either way and start the implementation before PTG17:42
jordanPok, I would like the resulting choice to be simple17:43
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andreafheh right17:43
andreafok I think we need to move on17:43
andreaf#topic Tempest17:43
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andreafdo we have an update on the bug triage?17:43
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rodrigodsme and dmellado were taking a look on it17:44
rodrigodsi've filled some stuff at
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rodrigodssince i'm kind of a noob in tempest, my approach was to take a look at old in progress bugs17:44
rodrigodsand see what is clearly outdated17:44
rodrigodsor invalid17:45
rodrigodsthere were a bunch of them where the target didn't even exist anymore17:45
andreafI see the overall number is reduced very good #link
andreafthanks for that17:46
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andreafrodrigods: did you have a chance to update the graph? #link
rodrigodsandreaf, not yet17:47
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andreafthanks rodrigods, dmellado for running the bug triage17:48
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andreafanything else on Tempest?17:48
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jordanPI am working on Py3 compatibility17:48
jordanPwe are almost there :)17:49
andreafnice job! thank you17:49
rodrigodsandreaf, np! :)17:49
rodrigodsjordanP, ++17:49
jordanPand we are almost finish with moving clients to lib/17:49
andreafdo you have a topic for that?17:49
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jordanPno dedicated topic. A patch here:
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jordanPthat's all for tempest I think :)17:51
andreafOne thing I wanted to mention is that I think we should avoid churn in code code, especially in the areas of network scenario tests and class hierachy - we want to tackle those issue directlty17:51
andreafso I'm going to be -1 on most patches doing tiny little changes here and there unless they fix a bug or go in that direction17:51
jordanPthat seems wise indeed17:52
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andreafok moving on...17:53
andreaf#topic DevStack + Grenade17:53
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andreafoh one last thing on tempest17:53
jordanPI forgot to ask about the -ssh job...17:53
andreafso I added TLS on the -ssh job17:53
jordanPpatch was merged ?17:54
andreafthe patch is merged now, so I think at this point we can let the periodic job check this over christmas17:54
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andreafand in 2017 we can either make the job voting or add validation to the existing gate job dsvm-neutron-full17:54
jordanPthen ? make the -ssh job voting  or turns validation ON on the other jobs ?17:54
jordanPsecond option would be best imo17:55
jordanPproblem is the -ssh job is used by many projects so we can't really remove it17:55
andreafjordanP: yes but it will impact pretty much everyone - so maybe we can go through having it voting for a few weeks and them change the main job17:55
andreafjordanP: it's only used by tempest, devstack and nova/neutron on experimental17:56
andreafjordanP: we can leave the job there just take it out of check for tempest17:56
andreafjordanP: but next year anyways17:56
andreaf#topic DevStack + Grenade17:57
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mmedvedehi, I maintain IBM PowerKVM CI. Are you ok if we enable the CI voting on devstack patches?17:57
rodrigodsi have a review related to the PCI DSS tests17:57
rodrigodshas already one +2
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andreaf#topic open discussion17:57
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mmedvedeso related to my question above: It has been stable and mostly agrees with jenkins
andreafmmedvede: sorry I can't answer that now17:58
mmedvedemaybe not a good time to ask it (many are on vacation)17:58
jordanPyes, you may want to ask in January17:58
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andreaf#action andreaf oomichi check IBM PowerKVM CI for devstack17:58
andreafbut yeah I would say next year would be better17:59
andreafrodrigods: sure #link needs reviews17:59
rodrigodsthanks andreaf17:59
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andreafok we're almost at time - anything else anyone?18:00
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andreafthanks for joining today, happy holiday season everyone18:00
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mriedem#startmeeting nova21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:00
mriedemis there >= 1 person around?21:00
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mriedemi'll wait a couple of minutes for others to join21:01
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mriedemalright let's just get started21:03
mriedem#link agenda
mriedem#topic release news21:03
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mriedem#link Ocata release schedule:
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mriedem#info Jan 19: final non-client library release (oslo)21:04
mriedemif you have blueprints that depend on oslo library changes those need to be in the libraries and released by 1/1921:04
mriedem#info Jan 26: o-3 milestone, final python-novaclient release, FeatureFreeze, Soft StringFreeze21:04
mriedemso we have ~4 weeks to get remaining blueprints in21:05
mriedem#link Ocata blueprints
mriedem#info 69 total blueprints, 13 implemented, 9 not started, 38 need code review21:05
mriedemso pretty slow progress there on getting bps merged,21:05
mriedemi suspect some of that is due to long-tails on the priority efforts chewing up a lot of review time21:05
mriedema lot of people are out next week too so that doesn't help21:06
mriedemany questions on the release?21:06
mriedem#topic bugs21:06
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mriedemno critical bugs21:06
mriedem#link check queue gate status
mrdaHopefully everyone comes back refreshed from the break :)21:06
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mriedemmrda: the break is generally counter-productive, at least for me21:07
mrdawell, for everyone else :)21:07
mriedem3rd party ci status, vmware said they have theirs running again,21:07
mriedemand BobBall was investigating getting the xenserver ci voting again21:07
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mriedem#topic reminders21:08
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mriedem#link Ocata review priorities
mriedem#topic Stable branch status:
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mriedem#info newton 14.0.3 is released21:08
mriedem^ happened last week21:08
mriedemotherwise there are stable/newton changes up for review21:09
mriedem#topic subteam highlights21:09
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mriedemthere was no cells v2 meeting, those will resume in january21:09
mriedemedleafe-: was there a scheduler meeting this week?21:09
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mriedemjaypipes: ^?21:09
mriedemsome notes for the scheduler / placement work, i'd like to see this series move forward
mriedemas in needs another core21:10
jaypipesmriedem: no sched meeting no21:10
mriedemi think the next big change to get in for placement is
mriedemwhich the scheduler can then use21:11
mriedemi know jay has been through it21:11
jaypipesI kinda authored that so I'm reluctant to +W it...21:11
mriedemi still need to go through it21:12
mriedemtdurakov: was there a live migration meeting this week?21:12
mriedempkoniszewski: ^?21:12
mriedem#action mriedem to get a hold of tdurakov to roll up some status from the live migration subteam into the dev ML21:13
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mriedemalex_xu: are you around?21:13
mriedemi believe there was an API subteam meeting today21:13
mriedembut i don't think anyone is around to report on it21:13
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mriedemmy main focus for the api subteam right now is getting approved21:14
mriedemi went through that this morning and had several comments/questoins21:14
mriedemotherwise alex_xu has patches up for query parameter validation21:14
mriedemthose patches start here
mriedemlbeliveau: was there an sriov/pci meeting this week?21:15
mriedemi noticed the pci whitelist regex patch merged, we just need a release note for that21:15
mriedemi've emailed moshele asking for the release note21:15
mriedemthere was no versioned notifications meeting this week, those resume in january21:15
mriedem#topic stuck reviews21:16
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mriedemthere was nothing on the agenda, anything anyone needs to bring up here?21:16
mriedem#topic open discussion21:16
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mriedemnothing on the agenda - anything anyone wants to bring up?21:16
mmedvedeI'd like to ask on voting permission on21:16
VekHave a happy holidays?21:16
mmedvedeIBM PowerKVM CI21:17
mmedvedemriedem: last time I asked, we did not switch to neutron yet. Now we have, and it have been stable mostly21:17
mriedemmmedvede: ok, i think we could do that21:17
mriedemi haven't noticed any issues with the pkvm ci21:18
mriedem#action mriedem to make the powerkvm 3rd party ci voting21:18
mmedvedewe are normally fast to react/disable reporting if any issues arise21:18
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mriedemi'm fast to bludgeon those that aren't :)21:18
mriedemi'll be around next week so will probably have a meeting, just in case anyone is around21:19
mriedemand probably roll up some current status for ocata into the ML21:19
mriedemotherwise have a good break for everyone that's out next week and see you next year21:19
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