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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 05:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 11 05:30:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 05:30 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:30 | |
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| diga | o/ | 05:31 |
| sridhar_ram | who is here for tacker meeting? | 05:31 |
| xuhaiwei_ | o/ | 05:31 |
| Yanxing_an | o/ | 05:31 |
| dkushwaha | o/ | 05:31 |
| sridhar_ram | howdy all! | 05:32 |
| sridhar_ram | let's give a min before we start | 05:32 |
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| sripriya | o/ | 05:33 |
| sridhar_ram | alright, let's start | 05:33 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Ocata Implementation Status | 05:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata Implementation Status (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:33 | |
| sridhar_ram | #topic NSD | 05:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "NSD (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:33 | |
| sridhar_ram | this is the highest priority | 05:34 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: any blocking issues? | 05:34 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: what is pending to finish for NSD ? | 05:34 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, not blocking, I am going through FT/UT parts now | 05:35 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: okay, i just finished reviewing from my side.. | 05:35 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: which other core member reviewing NSD ? | 05:36 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, we got gongesh comments only before | 05:37 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: okay, remind gongysh .. we can be the 2nd reviewer | 05:37 |
| sridhar_ram | s/we/he/ | 05:37 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, yes sure | 05:37 |
| janki | o/, sorry late | 05:37 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, it would be more batter, if more members can review it | 05:38 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: once review comments are taken care, we can start merging NSD soon.. | 05:38 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: actively ping diff core team members.. | 05:38 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, yes, sure | 05:38 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: thanks | 05:39 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic VNF inline template | 05:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "VNF inline template (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:39 | |
| sridhar_ram | janki: where do we stand on this? | 05:39 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, cleint and server patchs are submitted for review | 05:40 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, other than taker members, I also asked Mistral core, and also got comments frm his side. | 05:40 |
| janki | gongysh has few comments on client side which conflict with what is mentioned in the spec. Need your thoughts on that too | 05:40 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: we need to get the client / API part settled down soon... so focus on getting client patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414602/ | 05:41 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh is not here | 05:41 |
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| sridhar_ram | janki: do you mind briefly desc the issue ? | 05:41 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, waiting for your opinion on the comments in client patch | 05:41 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, sure. what he is proposing is to use --with-vnf-template option to show inline vnfds instaed of --all option | 05:42 |
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| janki | the spec says using --all. Not sure what to use | 05:42 |
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| sridhar_ram | this for vnfd-list cmd / api ? | 05:43 |
| tbh | sorry for the late | 05:43 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, yes. for vnfd-list --all or vnfd-list --with-vnf-template | 05:43 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: hi! | 05:43 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, hi | 05:43 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, second, we talked about allowing user to enter both vnfd-id and vnfd-template with vnfd-template being precedent. His comment says to make vnfd-id and vnfd-template mutually exclusive. this again conflicts with what is mentioned in spec | 05:44 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: this one is easy, if we can make it mutually exclusive that is alway better | 05:45 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, ok. will make changes accordingly | 05:45 |
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| sridhar_ram | janki: we can edit the spec once the code merge, we usually don't do that.. but at times it is okay as an exception | 05:45 |
| sridhar_ram | but cli doc will take care of the documentation | 05:46 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, that solves my concern then :) | 05:46 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: let's do the right thing :) | 05:46 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, doc on client side too? or just the ref doc? | 05:46 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: cli doc is autogenerated .. see http://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/tacker.html | 05:47 |
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| janki | sridhar_ram, will have a look. | 05:47 |
| sridhar_ram | regarding --with-vnf-template, i think gongysh comment is not to use "--all" | 05:47 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, yes. he is suggesting to not use "--all" because it is used by opensatck client | 05:48 |
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| sridhar_ram | i personally don't like --with-vnf-template, i think we need a filter flag to indicate "inline" | 05:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | we can take it up in the gerrit review | 05:49 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: another qq, will tacker vnfd-show <uuid> of an inline template work fine? | 05:49 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, any variable used will be a filter flag. | 05:50 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, yes. it should/will show. let me still check it on my system and get back on that | 05:50 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: np | 05:50 |
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| janki | sridhar_ram, I also need your opinion on the change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416215/4/tacker/api/v1/base.py | 05:50 |
| janki | in this particular file. | 05:51 |
| janki | so when vnfd-id is not specified and vnf-template is specified, vnfd-id will be None. THe above change bypasses validating UUID | 05:51 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: i can look into it.. but i'm sure there are better qualified cores & member can provide some opinion as well :) | 05:51 |
| janki | I have specified default vnfd-id to be None | 05:52 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, yes ofcourse, everyone can have a look. | 05:52 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: sripriya: KanagarajM: please review this code.. it is fairly lightweight change.. | 05:52 |
| s3wong | sorry --- just got home | 05:53 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: on your side, please take care of the merge conflicts | 05:53 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: howdy! | 05:53 |
| sridhar_ram | let's move to the next item | 05:53 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, sure. | 05:53 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: thanks! | 05:53 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, yes. I am waiting for few more review comments to make changes from my side | 05:53 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic VNFC | 05:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "VNFC (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:53 | |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: i left some comments in your patchset.. | 05:54 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, should we schedule the corresponding bp for o3 on inline template ? | 05:54 |
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| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: yes, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/vnf-inline-template is marked for o3 | 05:55 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, I have seen the comments, | 05:55 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: pretty much all BPs are now pointing to o3 :) | 05:55 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, but I have added abstract driver as just a placeholder for future drivers | 05:56 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, yeah :) | 05:56 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: the summary is - can we make HOT SoftwareConfig has a inherent feature off openstack vim infra driver .. without any need to specify a vnfc-driver | 05:56 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, can I just keep it in the code, but remove "vnfc_driver" for now? | 05:57 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: tbh: not a good idea to leave dead code in the tree | 05:57 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: better to remove and reintroduce as needed... | 05:57 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, ok | 05:58 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: again, given this is a server side change we have some time... NSD is higher priority, fyi :) | 05:58 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: next, how to do gate tests for this feature? | 05:58 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: you need a special fedora image with heat agent ? | 05:59 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes, we need fedora image to be uploaded in glance | 05:59 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: do you know how heat does gate tests for SoftwareConfig ? | 06:00 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: any special image used ? | 06:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: there is a tool called diskimage builder .. http://docs.openstack.org/developer/diskimage-builder/ | 06:01 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: you can reach out to infra team on how to leverage this / other options to host a custom image for gate tests | 06:02 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, sure, will do that | 06:02 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: ping KanagarajM offline as they should have solved this problem in heat | 06:03 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, i will have a look | 06:03 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: oh, thanks! | 06:03 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, ure | 06:04 |
| tbh | *sure | 06:04 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on | 06:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Tacker-Senlin integration | 06:04 |
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| xuhaiwei_ | hi, I am working on this sridhar_ram | 06:05 |
| sridhar_ram | xuhaiwei_: KanagarajM: what is the latest in wrapping up the spec ? | 06:05 |
| xuhaiwei_ | the spec is reviewed by core members, I still have some comments need to feed back | 06:05 |
| xuhaiwei_ | I will modify the spec according to KanagarajM's comment | 06:06 |
| sridhar_ram | xuhaiwei_: looks selective vdu support in senlin based scaling is the only outstanding this | 06:06 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, i tried to ask some more details and i think xuhaiwei_ is working on it | 06:07 |
| KanagarajM | xuhaiwei_, :) thanks. | 06:07 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: xuhaiwei_: sounds good | 06:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | xuhaiwei_: anything else you want to bring it up on this topic ? | 06:07 |
| xuhaiwei_ | sridhar_ram, KanagarajM, just not sure what is selective vdu support means | 06:07 |
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| KanagarajM | xuhaiwei_, it helps user to scale give set of VDUs 1 and 2 from the all VUDs VDU 1,2,3... say for example. | 06:08 |
| sridhar_ram | xuhaiwei_: currently all VDUs in the VNF gets scaled out / in .. 'selective VDU' is about scaling a subset of VDUs | 06:08 |
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| xuhaiwei_ | sridhar_ram, KanagarajM, thanks for explaining, I will answer it in the spec | 06:10 |
| sridhar_ram | xuhaiwei_: sounds good.. | 06:10 |
| sridhar_ram | moving to the next topic | 06:10 |
| KanagarajM | xuhaiwei_, yrw. | 06:10 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic tosca-parser / heat-translator 0.7.0 | 06:10 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, i am closly following up with sahdev (HT ptl) and seems with current version, we can't support selective vdu, for which we are looking for HT. | 06:11 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: thanks.. it was not clear whether this version would solve the problem.. | 06:12 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, and sahdev assured to provide a reuired support in ocata so that tacker can provide support for selective vdu. but 0.7.0 does not have support | 06:12 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: okay, it will be tight.. let's see | 06:13 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, and we latest tosca-parser to have NSD support | 06:13 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, i have made it a high priority. hope we could make it. :) | 06:13 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: thanks for following it up.. | 06:13 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: yep, that's great | 06:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: glad to have this nice cross-project collaboration between these two projects | 06:14 |
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| sridhar_ram | next topic.. | 06:14 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yeah | 06:14 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic API Framework | 06:14 |
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| sridhar_ram | diga: glad to see the spec is iterating nicely | 06:15 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: :) Thanks | 06:15 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: can you give an update? | 06:15 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: yes | 06:15 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: I think almost all the queries are answered in case of API framework selection & features support using new API framework | 06:15 |
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| KanagarajM | tbh, tacker requirements.txt has heat-translator>=0.4.0, you may need to set to right version based on your above comment. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414937/16/requirements.txt | 06:16 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: According to my study in API framework so far, we can start the work on falcon framework | 06:16 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: good catch, post-NSD the version need to be bumped to 0.7.0 | 06:17 |
| diga | I had discussion with some community folks & infra team also, people suggests falcon over flask because falcon is 8x faster than flask | 06:17 |
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| diga | sridhar_ram: It is developed for cloud API only. | 06:18 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: okay, for http-server, have you seen any other project using gunicorn ? | 06:18 |
| * sridhar_ram means any other openstack projects | 06:18 | |
| diga | sridhar_ram: in OpenSTack, most of the people uses, HTTP WSGI server like zaqar etc | 06:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | diga: that is for falcon, i was curious about gunicorn.. | 06:20 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: ok | 06:20 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: codesearch doesn't get much hits.. http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=gunicorn&i=nope&files=requirements.txt&repos= | 06:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | diga: please investigate this portion (http-server to frontend falcon) | 06:20 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: okay | 06:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | diga: i'm specifically interested to know what zaqar is using to frontend falcon | 06:21 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: okay | 06:21 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: btw, i agree w/ diga we should take up swagger work as a separate follow on | 06:22 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: will talk to zaqar team | 06:22 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: api framework is a *huge* effort | 06:22 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, ok | 06:23 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: another question, I'm assuming post falcon we need to work on API microversion support (this is a openstack wide goal) | 06:23 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: just one question, are we using same tacker API server for tacker UI Now ? | 06:23 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: something to keep in mind as you are exploring | 06:23 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: yes, UI uses tackerclient library with uses the tacker API server | 06:24 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: yes, current spec is written based on those efforts | 06:24 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: wonderful work so far! | 06:24 |
| KanagarajM | diga, i see, that monasca api also uses falcon and its one of the highly scalable service. so falcon would be a right choice as you discovered. thanks. | 06:24 |
| diga | KanagarajM: :) YEs | 06:25 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: Thanks :) | 06:25 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: anything else? | 06:25 |
| sridhar_ram | .. on this topic ? | 06:25 |
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| diga | sridhar_ram: then in this case, we can go with HTTP for API server like zaqar & monasca using now | 06:25 |
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| sridhar_ram | diga: yes, adoption is definitely a key factgor | 06:26 |
| sridhar_ram | alright almost out of time | 06:26 |
| KanagarajM | diga, i think you could start the impl in parallel, by that time we could merge the spec. | 06:26 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: +1 | 06:26 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: I will discuss on thi topic with zaqar & monasca team today. | 06:26 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: sounds good | 06:26 |
| diga | KanagarajM: sridhar_ram : Sure | 06:27 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 06:27 |
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| Yanxing_an | I have a few questions | 06:27 |
| sridhar_ram | Just 13 calendar days left until feature freeze / client library release | 06:27 |
| Yanxing_an | vnffg does not support EVENT , is it in plan? | 06:27 |
| sridhar_ram | please get the reviews going | 06:27 |
| Yanxing_an | ok | 06:28 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: are we planning mid-cycle meetup in Feb ? | 06:28 |
| sridhar_ram | Yanxing_an: good catch, those two feature landed in parallel .. it should've been fixed in Ocata | 06:28 |
| gongysh | Yanxing_an, there is no design to not use event. so you can fix it if you have time. | 06:28 |
| sridhar_ram | Yanxing_an: I think we still have room to do it .. | 06:29 |
| sridhar_ram | Yanxing_an: btw, welcome to the project! thanks for the reviews | 06:29 |
| sridhar_ram | Folks - we are out of time | 06:29 |
| Yanxing_an | ok, i will to fix it | 06:29 |
| Yanxing_an | tackerclient not support vnf-trigger command, is it need to add? | 06:29 |
| sridhar_ram | Yanxing_an: let's take it offline in the #tacker channel | 06:30 |
| sridhar_ram | bye everyone | 06:30 |
| Yanxing_an | ok | 06:30 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 06:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 11 06:30:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-01-11-05.30.html | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-01-11-05.30.txt | 06:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-01-11-05.30.log.html | 06:30 |
| s3wong | bye | 06:30 |
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| ramishra | #startmeeting heat | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 11 08:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ramishra. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 08:00 |
| ramishra | #topic roll call | 08:00 |
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| KanagarajM | hi | 08:00 |
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| therve | o/ | 08:01 |
| ricolin | 0/ | 08:01 |
| skraynev | o/ | 08:01 |
| tiantian | o/ | 08:01 |
| ramishra | ok, we've some attendance today:) | 08:02 |
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| ramishra | #topic adding items to agenda | 08:02 |
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| ramishra | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282017-01-11_0800_UTC.29 | 08:02 |
| ramishra | I only have 2 topics. | 08:03 |
| ramishra | #topic ocata-3 status | 08:03 |
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| ramishra | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/ocata-3 | 08:04 |
| ramishra | Does not look very good, with one week left excluding this week;) | 08:04 |
| therve | Yeah a good chunk of bugs | 08:05 |
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| ramishra | KanagarajM: what about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/os-hot-gen? | 08:05 |
| KanagarajM | ramishra, i will move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/os-hot-gen to next cycle | 08:05 |
| ramishra | ok | 08:05 |
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| therve | I don't think we have any critical bugs though | 08:06 |
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| ramishra | therve: no, I've not noticed any. | 08:06 |
| ramishra | I would request the owners to be realistic and move bugs/bps to next release. | 08:07 |
| ramishra | Otherwise I'll do it at the end;) | 08:07 |
| therve | tiantian, Are you working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1649900 ? | 08:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649900 in heat "Can't use conditions with depends_on" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to huangtianhua (huangtianhua) | 08:08 |
| skraynev | ramishra: I think that it's the best option :) | 08:08 |
| therve | I might try to have a go otherwise | 08:08 |
| tiantian | therve, sorry, no | 08:08 |
| therve | OK thanks | 08:08 |
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| ramishra | therve: do you know about bug 1637304 | 08:09 |
| openstack | bug 1637304 in heat "Zaqar queue can be inadvertently deleted" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637304 - Assigned to Jason Dunsmore (jasondunsmore) | 08:09 |
| ramishra | ? | 08:09 |
| ramishra | can this be closed? | 08:09 |
| therve | ramishra, Yeah I think so | 08:09 |
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| ramishra | therve: ok, thanks! | 08:09 |
| tiantian | therve, maybe I will look into it next week:) | 08:09 |
| therve | tiantian, Sure, don't hesitate to steal it back if I don't have a patch | 08:10 |
| tiantian | therve, ok | 08:11 |
| therve | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1655303 is an interesting one for people that care about lbaas | 08:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1655303 in heat " OS::Neutron::LBaaS::Pool is missing the loadbalancer property" [Wishlist,New] | 08:13 |
| therve | It may not be super hard | 08:13 |
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| therve | ramishra, I haven't checked, but could we include heat-agents in the ocata-3 release? | 08:14 |
| therve | I think the idea would be to follow heat release cycle if possible | 08:14 |
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| ramishra | sorry was disconncted. | 08:17 |
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| ramishra | Are we sill on the same topic? | 08:18 |
| tiantian | yes :) | 08:18 |
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| ramishra | ok, sorry again. | 08:18 |
| ramishra | should we move on? | 08:18 |
| ramishra | before disconnected as I was asking about bug 1643268 | 08:19 |
| openstack | bug 1643268 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "test_cancel_update_server_with_port failing intermittently" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1643268 | 08:19 |
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| ramishra | We've disabled that test for the time being, anyone willing to look at it? | 08:20 |
| ramishra | ok, it seems no one:) | 08:21 |
| ramishra | moving on.. | 08:21 |
| ramishra | #topic props data de-duplication | 08:21 |
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| ramishra | #link #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/109690.html | 08:21 |
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| ramishra | the proposal is to land these patches and postpone rolling update tag claim for the next release. | 08:22 |
| ramishra | Anyone has any concerns. I did not see many respond to the ML thread. | 08:22 |
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| therve | Yeah not really | 08:23 |
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| therve | It's not great, but alternatives are worse :) | 08:24 |
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| ramishra | yeah, I agree. | 08:24 |
| ramishra | But we need to handle similar kind of db changes in the future. | 08:24 |
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| skraynev | ramishra: I supose, that silence means agreement :) | 08:25 |
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| ramishra | skraynev: yeah, but I understood that but wanted to be doubly sure that we all agree. | 08:25 |
| ramishra | ok, that's all from my side. | 08:26 |
| ramishra | #topic open discussion | 08:26 |
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| therve | ramishra, I haven't checked, but could we include heat-agents in the ocata-3 release? | 08:27 |
| therve | I think the idea would be to follow heat release cycle if possible | 08:27 |
| therve | (I think you missed that) | 08:27 |
| ramishra | therve: I'll check that. | 08:28 |
| therve | Cool thanks | 08:28 |
| ramishra | therve: on the galnce v2 thing.. | 08:28 |
| therve | Yep? | 08:28 |
| ramishra | I don't understand the relucatance to provide copy-from with v2 api? | 08:29 |
| ramishra | If that's available we don't have to go the path of not supporting it the resource. | 08:29 |
| therve | I don't know about it. It doesn't look like it's there yet? | 08:30 |
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| ramishra | yeah, it's not there in v2. but available with v1. | 08:30 |
| therve | "There used to be copy-from too (which may or may not come back)." | 08:30 |
| therve | I don't want to think about it too much honestly | 08:31 |
| tiantian | glance v2 supports --file and --location (disabled by default) | 08:31 |
| ramishra | I understand the risk with locations. But not sure why copy-from was removed. | 08:31 |
| therve | It's somewhat the same issue TBH | 08:31 |
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| therve | What did you think about the heat client idea? | 08:31 |
| ramishra | therve: how? it's just one time thing. Making locations visible can be issue. | 08:32 |
| therve | ramishra, Still that requires the backend to access some unknown data | 08:32 |
| ramishra | Also location was treated as a store, but with copy-from, it copies the data from the external location to the default store. | 08:32 |
| ramishra | If it's issue with glance then it's issue with heat too. | 08:33 |
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| tiantian | yes, agree | 08:33 |
| ramishra | therve: yeah, I'm fine if we want to add it to heatclient. | 08:34 |
| ramishra | We do that for templates, I think. | 08:34 |
| ricolin | I think the clint sounds better place to do | 08:34 |
| therve | ricolin ? | 08:35 |
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| ramishra | therve: s/clint/client | 08:36 |
| ricolin | therve: Just agree with we add it to heatclient:) | 08:36 |
| therve | OK :) | 08:36 |
| ramishra | confusing:) | 08:37 |
| ricolin | bad choice of words... | 08:37 |
| ramishra | ok, anything else? | 08:37 |
| therve | Not from me | 08:37 |
| ricolin | deprecate non convergence? | 08:38 |
| ramishra | ricolin: I'm not sure if we would like to do it so soon. | 08:38 |
| ramishra | May be in pike? | 08:38 |
| therve | We haven't made any progress on memory consumption AFAIK | 08:39 |
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| therve | It's a pretty important issue to look at | 08:39 |
| ricolin | ok | 08:39 |
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| ricolin | therve: I think if tripleO's find with current improvement, we might want to start the deprecation process | 08:40 |
| ricolin | ramishra: Pike sounds great | 08:40 |
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| therve | ricolin, Right. They are not right now. | 08:40 |
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| ramishra | Please spend sometime reviewing the patches in the queue. | 08:42 |
| ramishra | ok, should we move back to heat? | 08:42 |
| ricolin_ | My network breaks... | 08:42 |
| ricolin_ | ramishra: going 1 | 08:42 |
| ricolin_ | 2 | 08:42 |
| ricolin_ | 3 | 08:43 |
| ramishra | #endmeeting heat | 08:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 11 08:43:07 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2017/heat.2017-01-11-08.00.html | 08:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2017/heat.2017-01-11-08.00.txt | 08:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2017/heat.2017-01-11-08.00.log.html | 08:43 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:01 |
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| RongHui11 | hi | 13:01 |
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| zhiyuan | hi | 13:01 |
| Yipei | hi | 13:01 |
| dongfeng | hi | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:01 |
| yinxiulin | hi | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 11 13:01:54 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:02 | |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:02 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:02 |
| RongHui11 | #info ronghui | 13:02 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 13:02 |
| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 13:02 |
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| fanyishi | #info fanyishi | 13:02 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:02 |
| WuCheng | #info WuCheng | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | #topic Ocata release preparation | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata release preparation (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:04 | |
| joehuang | hello, as planned, Ocata branch will be created on Jan.24 | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | Is there any challenge for your patches to be merged | 13:04 |
| RongHui11 | not for tricircle but for trio2o | 13:05 |
| zhiyuan | the implementation of xjob enhancement can be submitted tomorrow | 13:05 |
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| zhiyuan | share_vxlan is hard to catch the deadline | 13:05 |
| joehuang | thank you zhiyuan, the reliability is very important feature to be merged | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | to Ronghui, Trio2o will not follow the schedule | 13:06 |
| joehuang | and no release plan for trio2o yet | 13:06 |
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| RongHui11 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409040/ is hard to merge and want some help | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | yes, if you want to make trio2o pass the gate test, the plugin.sh should be enhanced. I'll try to find time to help you | 13:11 |
| joehuang | any other chanllenge? | 13:11 |
| zhiyuan | i think the tempest plugin also needs modification | 13:11 |
| joehuang | for tricircle features | 13:11 |
| RongHui11 | thank you so much :) | 13:11 |
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| qwebirc50747 | hi there. were can I found the channel of the taas meeting? | 13:11 |
| joehuang | sorry, don't know | 13:12 |
| joehuang | you may search taas meeting from google | 13:12 |
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| hejiawei | hello | 13:13 |
| qwebirc50747 | I did. But I only able to find https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas | 13:13 |
| qwebirc50747 | no specific channel | 13:14 |
| joehuang | please review the patches for devstack plugin.sh for tricircle too, I have several patches in queue | 13:14 |
| zhiyuan | ok, will review tomorrw | 13:14 |
| zhiyuan | s/tomorrw/tomorrow | 13:14 |
| joehuang | to qwebirc50747, sorry, no idea | 13:15 |
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| joehuang | for vxlan networking, I think we need to plan a release after Ocata release, | 13:15 |
| zhiyuan | hi, you can get the info in this page : http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/ | 13:16 |
| joehuang | so we can work hard for vxlan networking in the master branch at the same time | 13:16 |
| joehuang | #topic shadow_agent for VxLAN L2 networking/L3 DVR issue | 13:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "shadow_agent for VxLAN L2 networking/L3 DVR issue (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:16 | |
| joehuang | hello, zhiyuan, do you have some progress to share on this feature | 13:17 |
| RongHui11 | for the tricircle ,1) i will try to clean remaining code of nova and cinder 2) the patch for remove codes got +2. 3) After the Qos spec patch merge, will submit the related codes ASAP | 13:17 |
| qwebirc50747 | Thanks | 13:17 |
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| joehuang | to Ronghui, thanks, great helpful | 13:17 |
| zhiyuan | yes, for external network, we can also use shadow agent/port to sync the tunnel information, creation of gateway port will also trigger l2 pop | 13:18 |
| zhiyuan | so we just create shadow port for gateway port in each pod | 13:19 |
| zhiyuan | shadow mac not tested yet | 13:19 |
| zhiyuan | shadow mac for DVR not tested yet | 13:19 |
| joehuang | that means shade_agent will work for for L2/L3 networking via VxLAN | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | it's not so urgent | 13:20 |
| joehuang | we can begin to work on the spec and code based on this idea | 13:20 |
| joehuang | shadow mac for DVR, I think it should be ok too | 13:21 |
| zhiyuan | yes, but i also find that l3 ha can not work properly with l2 pop, not sure if it's a bug or there's something wrong with my environment | 13:21 |
| zhiyuan | with l2 pop, the tunnel between compute host and network host is not created, but if i turn off l2 pop, the tunnel can be created | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | further investigation could be done in parallel, this is quite strange. maybe L3HA only work for centralized router, not for DVR? | 13:23 |
| zhiyuan | but in my test, the router i created is centrailized, not DVR router | 13:23 |
| joehuang | how about DVR router for L3HA? | 13:24 |
| joehuang | centralized mode is called "legacy" | 13:24 |
| zhiyuan | the combination of DVR and HA not tested yet | 13:24 |
| zhiyuan | i think DVR is one kind of HA | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | it seems HA is for DVR | 13:26 |
| joehuang | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DVR/ServiceNode-HA | 13:26 |
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| joehuang | #info shade_agent works for L3 networking (vxlan as bridge network) too | 13:28 |
| zhiyuan | both of them are implemented in Juno, i think they can work separately | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | #info L3HA has some issue with L2pop, need more investigation, but not so urgent | 13:29 |
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| joehuang | #topic shared_vlan confusion when creating vlan network in some specified region | 13:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "shared_vlan confusion when creating vlan network in some specified region (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:29 | |
| joehuang | hello, I am writing the user guide for different scenario | 13:30 |
| RongHui11 | good | 13:30 |
| joehuang | and I found one issue for shared_vlan concept | 13:30 |
| joehuang | if we want to create a network which only resides in one region and the network type is vlan | 13:31 |
| joehuang | then we have to specify the physical network type as shared_vlan | 13:31 |
| joehuang | otherwise no other way to create a vlan network in local Neutron | 13:32 |
| joehuang | by default, the local network in central Neutron means the network type is decided by local neutron | 13:32 |
| joehuang | it could be vlan, vxlan or gre or else, it's undetermined | 13:32 |
| joehuang | but shared_vlan, the concept is to create a network spanning into multiple openstack | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | with same vlan segment | 13:33 |
| joehuang | this afternoon | 13:34 |
| joehuang | I discussed with zhiyuan | 13:34 |
| joehuang | about it | 13:34 |
| joehuang | one idea is just use vlan as the physical network type, and using availability_zone_hints to limit where the network will reside | 13:35 |
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| joehuang | for example, network( physical network type = vlan, az_hint=az1,az2) means the network could be presented in az1 and az2 | 13:36 |
| joehuang | if only one az is specified, then the network will be limited to one openstack, for example network( physical network type = vlan, az_hint=az1) | 13:37 |
| joehuang | if no az_hint is specified, then means the network could be spread into any openstack | 13:37 |
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| RongHui11 | no matter the network spread in which az and the physical network type need to be vlan? | 13:38 |
| joehuang | if you create a vlan network | 13:39 |
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| joehuang | the physical network type is not must to be vlan, it could be vxlan too, but currently only shared_vlan supported | 13:39 |
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| joehuang | this idea is already described in the spec: https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/master/specs/newton/cross-pod-l2-networking.rst | 13:40 |
| RongHui11 | got it | 13:40 |
| joehuang | in this section: A Cross Pod L2 Networking Creation | 13:40 |
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| joehuang | how do you think about to update the shared_vlan to vlan, just use az_hint to limit the scope of the network ? | 13:43 |
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| zhiyuan | i think it's fine, two questions (1) do we need to keep local network type (2) how about vxlan network type since shared_vxlan is not supported yet | 13:44 |
| RongHui11 | same question for (2) | 13:45 |
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| joehuang | 1) for local network, we can keep it there for the case where no parameter will be specified creating a network | 13:46 |
| joehuang | 2) for shared_vxlan, I think we can deal with it as vlan network | 13:47 |
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| joehuang | just use vxlan for shared_vxlan | 13:47 |
| zhiyuan | then how about user creates a vxlan network with more than one az in az_hint? | 13:48 |
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| joehuang | then this vxlan network could be spread into these azs | 13:49 |
| zhiyuan | i know, but currently cross pod vxlan network is not supported | 13:49 |
| joehuang | just raise exception, not supported yet | 13:50 |
| zhiyuan | ok | 13:50 |
| joehuang | no need | 13:50 |
| joehuang | one second | 13:50 |
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| joehuang | in some scenario, for example SDN controller | 13:51 |
| joehuang | they can talk with each other via BGP | 13:51 |
| joehuang | for just create vxlan network at the bottom region as usual, | 13:51 |
| joehuang | we need to add one indicator | 13:52 |
| joehuang | if it's by L2pop, shadow_agent, it's not supported | 13:52 |
| joehuang | if it's done by SDN controller, then it's ok, just like what vlan has done | 13:53 |
| zhiyuan | discuss this in our release notes? | 13:53 |
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| joehuang | fine | 13:53 |
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| RongHui11 | great | 13:54 |
| joehuang | shared_vlan needs to be updated ASAP, before Jan 24 | 13:54 |
| joehuang | who can help this? | 13:54 |
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| yinxiulin | me | 13:55 |
| yinxiulin | i will do it ASSP | 13:56 |
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| joehuang | ok, thank you xiulin | 13:56 |
| joehuang | #action network type "shared_vlan" should be simplified to vlan | 13:57 |
| yinxiulin | you are welcome | 13:57 |
| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 13:57 |
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| joehuang | any other topic | 13:57 |
| RongHui11 | no | 13:57 |
| dongfeng | no | 13:57 |
| zhiyuan | no | 13:58 |
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| Yipei | no | 13:58 |
| joehuang | ok, thank you very much | 13:58 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 11 13:58:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-01-11-13.01.html | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-01-11-13.01.txt | 13:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-01-11-13.01.log.html | 13:58 |
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| joehuang | bye | 13:58 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 11 16:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | wxy viks ketonne | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| mdovgal | hi | 16:00 |
| rarora | hi | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 16:00 |
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| DuncanT | Hi | 16:00 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| wxy| | hello | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Obligatory: | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:00 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:00 |
| guyr-infinidat | hi | 16:00 |
| scottda | hola | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | PTG is coming up! | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #info Need to register for the PTG if you have not already done so. | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! | 16:00 |
| adrianofr_ | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg PTG info and registration | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #link https://www.starwoodmeeting.com/events/start.action?id=1609140999&key=381BF4AA PTG Hotel reservations | 16:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Just wanted to note for everyone that registering for the PTG hotel through the link helps. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | As part of holding the event there, there is some obligation to fill some of the rooms. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | And there's free breakfast! | 16:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes please make sure you book through our reserved hotels :) | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | #info Need to start planning for the PTG | 16:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Yay breakfast! | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Hello. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-cinder-ptg-planning PTG topic planning etherpad | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Breakfast? Did I miss something? | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Breakfast? :) | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: True story. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | #info Summit call for presentations is open | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | Let's get some good storage sessions for the Summit. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/call-for-presentations/ Summit CFP | 16:03 |
| kaisers_ | Hi | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | If you have ideas for anything you would like to talk about that would be beneficial, please submit a proposal. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | It may or may not make it, but it definitely won't if you don't submit it. ;) | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis I would like to discuss climate change | 16:04 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | And this one might actually be its own topic, but just to make sure driver maintainers know, we would like CG support migrated to generic groups by P-1 if possible. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: How Cinder is destroying the climate! | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: You can do that after you solve the problem. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Good chance of getting in. ;) | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis yes! It's all our fault | 16:05 |
| xyang1 | just want to make sure driver maintainers see the email about migrating CGs to groups | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | And vendors. :D | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/109899.html Migrate CGs to Generic Volume Groups update | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | #topic New Cinder Attach/Detach API | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Cinder Attach/Detach API (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:06 | |
| smcginnis | ildikov and jgriffith: All yours. | 16:06 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: tnx :) | 16:06 |
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| ildikov | so the topic is not new I think most of you already know that new Attach/Detach API is on it's way b jgriffith | 16:06 |
| ildikov | we desperately need code review and attention from the team at this point | 16:07 |
| ildikov | Cinder patch: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414632/ | 16:07 |
| ildikov | client patch: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387716/ | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | and I'm working on updating the client patch this morning | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | it's out of date with some of the changes just FYI | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Not sure the bot picks it up inless it starts with the # | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414632/ Cinder patch | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387716/ Client patch | 16:08 |
| * dulek signs in for cinder patch. | 16:08 | |
| hemna | sweet | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: The service side is up to date though, correct? Or changes coming on that. | 16:08 |
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| ildikov | if there's any questions regarding to this that we should discuss here, please let us know | 16:08 |
| ildikov | we also started to investigate to enable Cinder v3 in Nova, scottda has a patch up for it | 16:09 |
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| ildikov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385682/ | 16:09 |
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| ildikov | that's hitting EndpointNotFound error for seemingly no good reason | 16:09 |
| scottda | Yeah, I'm not sure mriedem was on board with making that the default for Nova yet... | 16:09 |
| scottda | nor am I sure we are ready. We need it running in some Nova jobs first. | 16:10 |
| mriedem | cinder v3? | 16:10 |
| scottda | yup | 16:10 |
| mriedem | not without the damn thing actually working :) | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: You're so picky. | 16:10 |
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| scottda | YOu are picky | 16:10 |
| scottda | jinx | 16:10 |
| ildikov | scottda: just at least investigating why the config option does not work as expected | 16:10 |
| mriedem | i'd like to enable cinder v3 in the placement job for nova, where our other bleeding edge stuff goes | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | hah | 16:10 |
| hemna | it's the openstack way. | 16:10 |
| hemna | use it before it works. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | mriedem: Details, details! | 16:10 |
| mriedem | the problem is passing a config through from the project-config to devstack-gate to devstack to configure nova, | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, working out the issues and making sure it _can_ work is a good first step. | 16:11 |
| scottda | OK, well it's getting starved out in my queue...I haven't even looked lately | 16:11 |
| mriedem | when we don't have post-config working yet for that plumbing | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | Then by Pike we will have had v3 out for 2 releases and it should be safer considering it for the default. | 16:11 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: the service side patch has a few comments, but I would still encourage everyone to look into it earlier rather than later | 16:11 |
| scottda | I've gotten it to work manually, so it's a config/infra thing I believe | 16:11 |
| mriedem | well, ^ infra job plumbing is the 2nd issue | 16:11 |
| mriedem | making it work is the first | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | ildikov: +1 | 16:11 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: BTW, what is the deadline to get this landed? | 16:12 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: in Ocata I mean :) | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | ildikov: I think if we aren't extrememly close by O-3, we better wait until Pike. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Ideally before O-3. | 16:13 |
| ildikov | dulek: tnx for signing in :) | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: But jgriffith likes to land large features at code freeze, so we'll see. :P | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | hehe | 16:14 |
| * jungleboyj remembers jgriffith scolding me for that in the past. ;-) | 16:14 | |
| ildikov | smcginnis: LOL, if it's shoehorned in Ocata still I think I'm fine :) | 16:14 |
| bswartz | do as I say not as I do! | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | We can wait til Pike, no worries | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | So everyone please review the patches if you can. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: :-) | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | TBF the patches have been up for 4 months now | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Yeah, we can. Would be great if we can get it in O though so there's a chance Nova may use it in P. | 16:15 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: would make it better to move forward with the Nova parts to have the initials in Cinder as soon as we can | 16:15 |
| scottda | yeah, I think we merge things late because we review and test late... | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Totally agree. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | scottda: That's a fair statement too. | 16:15 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: :) | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | This is one of those things that will just drag out forever. | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Shsuh | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | *shush | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | So what's strange about all this is this is what I thought the glorious almighty micro-versioning madness was supposed to buy us | 16:16 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: +1 :) | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Rebases? | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis haha! Well it's certainly GREAT for that | 16:16 |
| scottda | microversion just lets you add the new API, and NOva can see it's there and use it. | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Shsuh? | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: sdjalksdghvailuga | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: a;dsfjadslfjal;sdjfa;ldsfkja | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | scottda we're not doing anything differently than we ever have :( | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | we're just making it *harder* | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | and it's madness that we've added 23 versions to the API in the last 4 months | 16:17 |
| scottda | Well, it's really just semver... | 16:17 |
| mdovgal | jungleboyj, is it elfin language? :) | 16:17 |
| scottda | Add a new api, bump the minor version. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: This is part of the reason I would prefer to batch changes and only bump on release. We're just constantly stepping on each other's toes. | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | usability is going to suck | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis YES PLEASE!!!! | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Then you would know O is 3.12, P is 3.13, etc. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | mdovgal: Must be. | 16:18 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:18 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, +1 | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis I'd even take it further... have an 'N' release every each release | 16:18 |
| scottda | As long as you don't deploy from Master... | 16:18 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: that would be a good compromise I think, had the same thought a while back | 16:18 |
| hemna | the current model makes sense if you are using master for deployment though. | 16:18 |
| winston-1 | smcginnis: +1 | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis ie when we open Pike we bump the number to V4 | 16:19 |
| e0ne | hemna: good point | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | everything new goes in V4 | 16:19 |
| scottda | We support deploying from master..but if we want to stop that, OK. | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | when we open Q we go to V5 | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | etc | 16:19 |
| hemna | otherwise you'd have lots of changes going into the API during the release cycle and no version change. :( | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | scottda you can still deploy from master that way | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Isn't that what we used to do ... Oh you mean always bump it with the release. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | scottda: I still would like to see justification why we absolutely need to support CD. Our contract should just be on official release boundaries, as far as I'm concerned. | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | scottda and sorry, but that whole thing is a farce anyway | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | people can barely deploy from release without heroic efforts from distros | 16:20 |
| scottda | I don't care one way or another. It's just he model that exists. | 16:20 |
| scottda | s/he/the | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | scottda I know.. and it's also being pushed by the cross-project thing | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | but I think it sucks | 16:20 |
| scottda | And Cinder can go it's own way, but the rest of openstack thinks differently... | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | and I'm not afraid to voice my opinion | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | Is it actually stated somewhere in writing that we must support continuous deployment? | 16:20 |
| hemna | also, if you don't bump the micro version on the API change, then we are back to basically the old model, which was also broken. | 16:20 |
| hemna | :( | 16:20 |
| hemna | bleh, whatevs | 16:20 |
| scottda | Yeah, we've had releases of the client that have features that might or might not be in the server...how do you know? | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | hemna I've never understood what exactly was *broken* | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: I'm fine having a bunch of API changes in one microversion. You just need to know what given release corresponds to what microversion for the feature you want. | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | other than lack of process and documentation | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis +1 | 16:21 |
| hemna | smcginnis, who coordinates doing the version bump in 5 different people doing patches? | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | I suppose this is a PTG discussion | 16:22 |
| hemna | this will be a nightmare IMHO. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | and will have significant ramifications from the overlords in other OS projects | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | hemna: You just do it once when the new cycle starts, then you wait and do it again when the next one does. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | hemna why? | 16:22 |
| * jungleboyj loves how the PTG agendas develop before a meeting. :-) | 16:22 | |
| hemna | you bump the version with no real changes at the start of the cycle? | 16:22 |
| hemna | smh | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | And in the mean time, if you specify a microversion and the api is not there - stop running off of master. | 16:23 |
| hemna | makes absolutely no sense to me. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | hemna IMHO what we're doing now is a nightmare, and the VERY FEW customers I have that are newer than Kilo at this point have been asking how the hell the versiioning stuff works | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | hemna: You will have changes in the cycle though. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | And until the cycle is released, who cares? | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Why? Concerned that there will be no changes for the new version? | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | hemna yep, because it's a new release of the prject/software | 16:23 |
| scottda | So, people might not like semver, but it's a bit of a standard. Breaking changes, you up the major version. non-breaking change you up the minor version | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | I guess that could happen, but unlikely. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | hemna god forbid we version our software | 16:23 |
| hemna | ok if you say so. it makes no sense to me. uber complicated that nobody will understand. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | Seems much less complicated, but I guess that's just me. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Isn't what we do more complicated. | 16:24 |
| hemna | anyway, I'll shut up since I'm in the minority. | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | hemna fair enough | 16:24 |
| hemna | never mind. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | You have to specify a special version to get a function? | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: A microversion. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I hear you. | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | hemna different perspectives I guess, I see the micro madness as uber complex and confusing and the alternate super easy :) | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Right now it is for each and every API change. | 16:25 |
| hemna | how is versioning each API change complicated? I seriously don't get that. | 16:25 |
| hemna | you changed something, it's a new version. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I know, that is confusing to me. :-) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | hemna have you tried using it? | 16:25 |
| hemna | now we'll have random versions for something that never happened or didn't change anything, just because.... | 16:25 |
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| scottda | It'd be nice to know what users think... | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | hemna: I doubt we would have a release with no API changes. | 16:25 |
| hemna | smcginnis, you just suggested changing the API version at the start of a release. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | hemna: But fair enough, then we bump the microversion with the first patch that actually does change it. | 16:26 |
| hemna | nm. | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | hemna oh.. that explains the confusion sorry | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I have tried using it. Literally the only thing I find a problem is there's no 'just use the max version' for show commands where I want to see everything that the server can tell me | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Because I know we never have a release without an API change. | 16:26 |
| hemna | I have to bail to take my kid to school. l8rs | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | hemna we should chat later and I'll try and explain what I meant. I don't think it's what your envisioning | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That could work. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | It's a DuncanT! | 16:26 |
| bswartz | DuncanT: that's by design | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT yeah.. but you're "Duncan" :) | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | OK, I think we've gone down a rabbit hole. Let's get back to the agenda. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | #topic Manual Testing for Ocata release | 16:27 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: I think batching during a release can work just as well iif you abandon the idea that you can deploy from trunk and have a sane system | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | sorry.. that was completely my fault | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | A DuncanT is good to see! | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Save us please! :) | 16:27 |
| scottda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ocata-testing | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | It is good luck. | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I just fail to understand why 1 version bump per release is easier to understand | 16:27 |
| scottda | There's a page for things that need testing before the release ^^^^ | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: I may be vanishing for good from cinder soon :-( We'll see | 16:28 |
| scottda | We discovered in Newton that we have an ad hoc way of testing things that lack Tempest tests... | 16:28 |
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| scottda | i.e Just hope that someone tests them. | 16:28 |
| * jungleboyj doesn't want to hear that! | 16:28 | |
| smcginnis | scottda: :) | 16:28 |
| scottda | Generic groups, upgrades, DB migrations, AA/HA,...these need to be tested, and others. | 16:28 |
| scottda | Some folks are already doing this, either because they own the feature, or care , or whaever | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | I think good old fashioned exploratory testing can find a lot of things. | 16:29 |
| scottda | So, please add thing to the etherpad as needed, and sign up if you are testing. | 16:29 |
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| * e0ne is worried how many manual tests we have to run before the each release | 16:29 | |
| scottda | That will at least help us identify gaps. | 16:29 |
| scottda | e0ne: Yeah, getting automated tests is a separate issue... | 16:29 |
| scottda | e0ne: That is the ideal. But in reality, this is our situation. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Probably not a full suite for every release. I think it just helps from time to time to actually try everything out in a given functional area and make sure it's sane. | 16:30 |
| scottda | And I think in the past, things have been missed. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | We've had plenty of cases where tests pass just fine, but the logic of the thing is completely broken. | 16:30 |
| e0ne | why we didn't care about functional and integration tests during feature development? | 16:31 |
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| scottda | Yeah, this is just a way to track what should be tested, and what is tested. | 16:31 |
| scottda | e0ne: I'm 100% for a better way to ensure adding tests with the feature. | 16:31 |
| scottda | But, we still have today's reality. Do we want to release with noone testing this stuff? | 16:31 |
| e0ne | scottda: IMO, it should be one of our priorities for Pike | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | scottda: Just -2 everything until current test coverage is 100% :-) | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | Testing and stabilization was supposed to be a priority for Ocata. So I'd love to see at least some of it done now. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Hah, full stop on everything. ;) | 16:32 |
| scottda | OK, well I'm just wanting to point people to the etherpad. Things need testing, and it's nice to know if someone is testing. That's all. | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Kill or cure | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | Thanks scottda | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | #topic Status of DRBD | 16:33 |
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| jungleboyj | scottda: Good effort to start. Thanks! | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Still you. :) | 16:33 |
| scottda | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/109887.html | 16:33 |
| scottda | ON the ML it was pointed out that drbdmanage isn't GPL'd any more. | 16:34 |
| scottda | Needs some explicit user agreement. | 16:34 |
| scottda | Do we even care about DRBD? | 16:34 |
| scottda | The tests fail 100% of the time. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | Linbit does. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | And I did hear from them that they were going to try to address the concerns. | 16:34 |
| e0ne | let's make it unsupported | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | But I have not seen any progress there. | 16:34 |
| scottda | Well, someone needs to get the tests to pass, for one thing, or they are just noise | 16:34 |
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| e0ne | or get CI working | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | So I think at this point we should remove the test and mark it unsupported. | 16:35 |
| scottda | So, prior to the GPL issue, the tests are broken. | 16:35 |
| scottda | smcginnis: +1 | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Infra should only be running tests for 100% compliant open drivers. | 16:35 |
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| DuncanT | For sure they should be running their own CI now | 16:35 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | OK, I can put up patches later to remove the job and mark it unsupported. | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | Unless someone else wants to grab that. | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | The mix of licenses we have make providing a cinder distribution that 'just works' for all supported drivers not legally possible, but I've no longer got any skin in that game and the discussion was going round in circles | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: I think that's going to be another one of those long drawn out discussions. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | OK, I'll put that on my todo list for today. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | Any other thoughts or opinions before I move on? | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks again scottda | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | #topic Adding Bandit as a non-voting gate | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | rarora: You around? | 16:38 |
| rarora | hi! | 16:38 |
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| rarora | we had brought this up a few weeks ago and the consensus was to look more into cleaning up the results so there are fewer false positives and see how keystone likes having it in their gate | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | rarora: So I'll admit it's been awhile since I ran it, but last time I ran bandit there were pages of warnings and errors... | 16:39 |
| e0ne | rarora: did we fix a lot of false positive errors? | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | And not one of them was valid. | 16:39 |
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| rarora | So with filtering for medium severity and confidence, if I remember correctly there are roughly 100 bugs that bandit is coming up with | 16:40 |
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| rarora | for the entirety of the project | 16:40 |
| rarora | which imo isn't too bad | 16:41 |
| rarora | and then there are some common things that can be nosec'd so overall I think that it would be a good idea still to add this as a non-voting gate | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | rarora: Any idea if any were legitimate though? 100 bugs of noise actually seems very bad to me. | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | rarora: Don't get me wrong, I like the project and see its value. | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | rarora: I think the nosec patch needs to happen before it goes in the gate or it just becomes yet another thing in the gate we ignore, which we've already got lots of | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: +1 | 16:42 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +2 | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | I agree, clean up first, then look at making it a regular job. | 16:43 |
| rarora | I do see what you are saying. Is the nosec patch so that we can ignore things using the config rather than commenting a nosec? | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | rarora: IIRC, does it just need a #nosec tag in the code like we do now for #noqua for pep8 things? | 16:43 |
| rarora | yes | 16:43 |
| jonesn | what I looked at was a #nosec in the code. | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | rarora: Whichever is gets us a sane & informative result set from bandit gate | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | rarora: Adding 100 #nosec might be ugly though.... disabling some of the nosier tests would probably be better | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | I think sorting through maybe a dozen false alarms is OK. Sorting through 100+ false alarms just ends up being noise and getting ignored. | 16:45 |
| rarora | yes, disabling lib xml and things like binding to all interfaces should help out | 16:45 |
| rarora | also not sure what people's positions are on things like disabling warnings for md5 hashing becuase if the hash is not used for security purposes it's a non-issue and that is usually the case | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | rarora: I think all of those I looked at last time were not used for security purposes. | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | rarora: Better to disable too much initially and get a clean gate run | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | rarora: As we #nosec or fix the code, we can enable more tests | 16:47 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: That might be the better approach. Otherwise we're not very likely to get to the passing state. | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | rarora: A gate test that always gives even 1 false positive is nearly useless in practice | 16:47 |
| rarora | DuncanT: Well the point of this, even if it nearly always would give false positives, is that it would help with people not committing new code with security issues | 16:48 |
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| jonesn | Do you think bandit could ever be configured to a point where we are guaranteed no false positives? | 16:48 |
| rarora | No I do not | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | rarora: They're not likely to notice that they are adding new issues if the test always fails anyway though. | 16:48 |
| rarora | smcginnis: fair point | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | rarora: I'm saying disable nearly everything if needed, and turn each test on in a patch with the relevant #nosec to keep a clean pass | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | rarora: Better that than another gate test that nobody reads because there are always warnings | 16:49 |
| jessegler | Makes sense to me | 16:49 |
| xyang1 | DuncanT: what about making it non-voting first? | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | It will probably always have to be non-voting. | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | OK, we have one more topic and <9 minutes left. I think for now, our preference would be to clean up the false error reporting, then we can look at adding it as a regular non-voting job. | 16:51 |
| rarora | DuncanT: I see where you are coming from but at the same time, I feel like if it gets ignored by most people oh well, it's non-voting and isn't that resource intenseive and it at least gives people an easy way to take a look if they want to. | 16:51 |
| rarora | smcginnis: okay, no problem :) | 16:52 |
| rarora | just glad we got to talk about it | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | We just have too many non-voting jobs that are ignored when they fail. | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | It decreases the value of the Jenkins results. | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | rarora: Yes, thank you for discussing it. I think anything we can do to increase security awareness is a good thing. | 16:52 |
| diablo_rojo | 8 min left as a heads up | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | OK, I'll move on. Thanks rarora | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | #topic Avoid merging Tempest tests that break Cinder CI | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: You again | 16:53 |
| Swanson | If it is non voting I traditionally assume a fail is half expected and don't look. | 16:53 |
| scottda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343291/ | 16:53 |
| scottda | That tempest test for snapshot_manage merged, and broke a bunch of CIs | 16:53 |
| scottda | I don't recognize a single Cinder reviewer. | 16:53 |
| scottda | Seems kinda broken to merge that in the first place, IMO | 16:54 |
| scottda | BTW, revert patch up is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418922 | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Totally | 16:54 |
| scottda | Not sure what to do. Maybe this will urge caution from Tempest reviewers. | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | This might be the better answer than just reverting it: | 16:54 |
| scottda | Just seems kinda bad. | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418928/ Manage feature flag | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | But I agree that shouldn't have landed in the first place. | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | Good to have the test coverage. But I think even for the drivers that do support manage/unmanage, some require different identifiers and things. | 16:55 |
| scottda | OK. Didn't know how many CIs were broken, or whom was affected by this. | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | So not sure how useful that test actually is. | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | scottda: I was affected. | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | scottda: But the interesting thing is one of our drivers does support the feature, so the failure was expected. | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | scottda: It passed for LVM though, right? | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | Sad that the CI's caught the problem and no one noticed. | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | But our other storage does support it and failed for other reasons. | 16:56 |
| scottda | Just woke up to the issue, and thought I'd bring it up. Maybe Tempest team will ping us next time for a review or opinion. | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Problem is for tempest, I think only LVM is run to validate those patches. | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Oh ... :-( | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | Oh, and ceph, which was the only thing specifically called out to skip the test. | 16:57 |
| scottda | DuncanT: I reckon it passed for LVM, but that is not enough. Not sure if there's a process to prevent this, or just "raise awareness". | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | Raise awareness is probably all we can hope for at this point. | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | 2 minutes | 16:58 |
| scottda | OK, that's it for this. | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:58 |
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| jungleboyj | Begs better coordination with the tempest team though. | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | Any quick last minute (literally) things? | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | Any idea what the p-1 date will be? | 16:59 |
| Swanson | 1/20? | 16:59 |
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| jungleboyj | Swanson: P-1 | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | Not up yet: https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | I think I guesstimated somewhere when that would be. I'll see if I can find that. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Right. Guessing that will be early May ? | 16:59 |
| dulek | jungleboyj: There's probably a review going in openstack/releases? | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | Probably | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Oh right, there is actually. | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | That's time. Thanks everyone. | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ok, good enough. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 11 17:00:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-01-11-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-01-11-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-01-11-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 11 18:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
| pcarver | hello | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| bh526r | Hi Paul | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
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| tomhambleton | #info Tom Hambleton | 18:01 |
| kamal___ | #info kamal hussain | 18:01 |
| pcarver | #info Paul Carver | 18:01 |
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| georgk | #info Georg Kunz | 18:01 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:02 |
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| jinli | Hi everyone | 18:02 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Because we won't have room in PTG Atlanta, it is impractical to gather there | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | But we also need a f2f as the last sprint before Ocata release. | 18:03 |
| bh526r | I propose to have a Gluon F2F in Bay Area in the week of Feb 6-10 | 18:03 |
| bh526r | Does anyone have any preference over those dates? | 18:04 |
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| tomhambleton | I have an issue with Feb. 8. How about Feb. 6-7? | 18:04 |
| bh526r | That is good to me. Does Feb 6-7 work for everyone? | 18:05 |
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| jinli | I am ok | 18:05 |
| pcarver | What's the agenda? I'm on the east coast and not sure whether it's worthwhile to travel to bay area | 18:05 |
| bh526r | finish last minutes coding and testing | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | #info Because it is impractical to have a Gluon group meeting in PTG Atlanta due to logistics issue as we discussed last week (Jan 4) | 18:08 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | There will be apace for impromptu meetings at the PTG if you're interested in getting together. | 18:09 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | *space | 18:09 |
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| bh526r | #info in order to complete coding and testing before Ocata release in the week of Feb 20-24, all agreed to have a Gluon F2F in Bay Area in the week of Feb 6-10. | 18:10 |
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| bh526r | #info the goal is to complete any last-minute coding and testing | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #info The dates are Feb 6 and Feb 7 considering the availability of core developers | 18:12 |
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| bh526r | I see, thank you diablo_rojo_phon. | 18:12 |
| ildikov | bh526r: would you need a room for all 5 days? | 18:12 |
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| ildikov | bh526r: or you could list the days you would like to gather? | 18:13 |
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| ildikov | bh526r: we might have a small room available, but would need to know which days to check for you to ensure we don't have collisions | 18:16 |
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| bh526r | I see, thank you Ildiko. Let me communicate with some other core members, because not every core member is on the IRC yet. | 18:18 |
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| bh526r | The goal of F2F in Bay Area is to complete coding and testing before Feb 20. | 18:20 |
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| ildikov | bh526r: it would be great if you can gather on the PTG | 18:20 |
| ildikov | bh526r: or the PTG as well so that you can interact with the relevant project teams too and socialize the project further | 18:21 |
| ildikov | bh526r: please ping me if you have more info and we can look into the options then | 18:21 |
| bh526r | sounds good, and thank you Ildiko | 18:22 |
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| ildikov | bh526r: sure, np | 18:23 |
| bh526r | #topic Gluon Tasks | 18:25 |
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| bh526r | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gluon/Tasks-Ocata | 18:25 |
| bh526r | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-gluon-work-plan | 18:25 |
| bh526r | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-neutron-session | 18:25 |
| bh526r | #info above links are for informational purpose | 18:26 |
| bh526r | #info to understand where we are, and rest of work before release | 18:26 |
| bh526r | #topic Status Update | 18:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status Update (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:26 | |
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| bh526r | #info 1. Authentication and Access Control | 18:27 |
| bh526r | Kamal, further update? | 18:27 |
| kamal___ | no I don't have any updates. Hoping to send a review this week | 18:28 |
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| bh526r | #info Kamal is working on another patch, and will send for review this week | 18:28 |
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| bh526r | #info 2. OpenContrail's Mechanism Driver | 18:28 |
| bh526r | #info Kamil submitted another patchset on Jan 10 | 18:29 |
| bh526r | #info with updated repo of Mechanism Driver, and updated readme | 18:29 |
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| krenczewski | I am not sure if pushing install script to gluon repo is good idea | 18:30 |
| bh526r | #info There were several comments on the patch | 18:30 |
| krenczewski | If I understood your e-mail correctly | 18:30 |
| bh526r | I see. How big size is the script? | 18:30 |
| krenczewski | This would lead to maintain the same script in two separate rpositories | 18:30 |
| krenczewski | Not big but it would be annoying and error prone | 18:31 |
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| bh526r | Got you. The script is already in another repo | 18:31 |
| krenczewski | Correct | 18:31 |
| bh526r | Perhaps you only need to update readme, and with instruction and pointer to get the script | 18:31 |
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| krenczewski | I think that pointing to repository is enough | 18:32 |
| krenczewski | There are installation instructions | 18:33 |
| bh526r | Will the script then install the Mechanism Driver? | 18:33 |
| krenczewski | what do you think? | 18:33 |
| krenczewski | yes | 18:33 |
| bh526r | Then that's good. It seems a clean way | 18:33 |
| krenczewski | Ok, great | 18:33 |
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| krenczewski | And once I got some help from Ian I create Fuel and Apex installer options | 18:34 |
| bh526r | #info Kamil has written a script to install Contrail Mechanism Driver based on comments within the patch | 18:34 |
| bh526r | Great, thank you Kamil | 18:34 |
| krenczewski | and add Devstack installation option | 18:34 |
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| bh526r | #info Kamil will update the readme with the pointer to script and installation instruction | 18:35 |
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| bh526r | #info Those seem sufficient for manual installation | 18:36 |
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| bh526r | #info After that, Kamil will work with Ian, Georg etc. for options of being installed by installers, such as Devstack, Apex, Fuel etc. | 18:36 |
| bh526r | #info in order to support the effort of integration and installation in OPNFV | 18:37 |
| bh526r | Great work, thank you Kamil | 18:37 |
| bh526r | #info 3. Testing | 18:37 |
| georgk | bh526r: sorry, I need to leave now | 18:38 |
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| bh526r | Sure, no problem. Georg | 18:38 |
| georgk | bh526r: if there is anything for me to so, drop me an email | 18:38 |
| bh526r | Have a good night | 18:38 |
| georgk | thank you, bye | 18:38 |
| bh526r | Sure, thank you Georg | 18:38 |
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| bh526r | #info Jin's patches 405689 and 418177 were approved and merged on Jan 10 | 18:39 |
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| bh526r | #info 4. Shim Layer for Open Daylight | 18:39 |
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| bh526r | #info Patch 407388 and 413011 have been comprehensively reviewed, commented and updated in the past a few weeks | 18:40 |
| bh526r | #info 413011 was finally approved and merged on Jan 10 | 18:40 |
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| bh526r | #info 407388 was abandoned accordingly | 18:41 |
| bh526r | #info 5. Gluon API Specification | 18:41 |
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| bh526r | #info Patch 411918 has been comprehensively reviewed, commented and updated in the past a few weeks | 18:42 |
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| bh526r | #info It was approved and merged on Jan 10 | 18:42 |
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| bh526r | #info Tom is working on revising the code for the updated API spec | 18:42 |
| bh526r | #info 6. Devstack Integration | 18:43 |
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| bh526r | #info It is still work in progress | 18:43 |
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| bh526r | #info 7. Add Entry Points to our Neutron Plugin | 18:43 |
| bh526r | #info The patch 404390 was merged on Jan 10 | 18:44 |
| bh526r | #info 8. Nova enhancement | 18:44 |
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| bh526r | #info As we reviewed and discussed last week, Ian has updated the patchset (#4) on Jan 10 | 18:46 |
| bh526r | #info Ian continues to work with Nova team on it. | 18:46 |
| bh526r | Any question or other update? | 18:47 |
| bh526r | #topic AOB | 18:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:48 | |
| bh526r | anything else to discuss? | 18:49 |
| bh526r | If nothing else to discuss, we can adjourn the meeting | 18:50 |
| bh526r | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:50 |
| bh526r | Thank you everyone and bye all | 18:50 |
| tomhambleton | Bye all | 18:50 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:50 |
| krenczewski | Bye | 18:50 |
| jinli | Bye everyont | 18:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 11 18:50:40 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-01-11-18.00.html | 18:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-01-11-18.00.txt | 18:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-01-11-18.00.log.html | 18:50 |
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| kamal___ | bye | 18:51 |
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| SotK | anyone here for the storyboard meeting? | 19:00 |
| fungi | nobody here but us chickens | 19:00 |
| rhochmuth | i am from the monasca team | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | o/ | 19:00 |
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| rhochmuth | o/ | 19:00 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 11 19:00:55 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:01 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks for coming rhochmuth :) | 19:01 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda (that is semi-updated) | 19:01 |
| rhochmuth | thanks for inviting me | 19:01 |
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| SotK | welcome folks! | 19:01 |
| SotK | I don't think we have any announcements or urgent items today | 19:02 |
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| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:02 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I've finally sent a patch to get rid of our placeholder operator deployment docs | 19:04 |
| * SotK hasn't managed to get much done in this last week | 19:04 | |
| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, nice :) | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I'd rather a really nice operator guide, but the current thing was worse than nothing | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | since it made a user think there was a guide, then they'd click it and get 'guide todo' | 19:04 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | story for that more generally is: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000535 | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | patch is: | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418122/ | 19:05 |
| * SotK is still vaguely conflicted about it | 19:06 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | fair enough | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, conflicted why? | 19:06 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (I partly sent it to prompt discussion on it and maybe someone would take on the task of making a better ops guide) | 19:07 |
| SotK | I worry that we will remove it and then never get round to putting a proper one there | 19:07 |
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| SotK | but then the counter argument is that we are equally likely to have the misleading stub there and never get round to putting a proper one there | 19:07 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, that was my reason for leaving the stub up so long | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha ha fair enough | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | and I didn't get round to it | 19:07 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | is anyone here atm able or interested to make a better ops guide? | 19:08 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | *able to or interested in | 19:08 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ gives up on fixing that sentence | 19:08 | |
| persia | Folk who are current operators would be the most exciting of volunteers | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, maybe we could work on that in conjunction with a summit talk for storyboard? | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Unless someone else wants it :) | 19:09 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | diablo_rojo: my trouble atm is setting up a good environment for the deployment | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, Ah, fair enough. | 19:10 |
| * SotK is not seeing many volunteers, so I guess I will think more and become unconflicted :) | 19:11 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | heh | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416070/ | 19:12 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | also awaits reviews | 19:12 |
| * SotK will will review after this meeting | 19:12 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | either of the 'fix the logic a bit first' kind or the 'merge this' kind, not sure if people are waiting for me there | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | I will review too. I need to get in on all that fun :) | 19:12 |
| SotK | Anything else in progress that needs attention brought to it? | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | my misc install instructions fixes are still awaiting further +1s | 19:14 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I apparently sent a bunch of install instruction things this week | 19:14 |
| * SotK cannot offer extra +1s | 19:14 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415942/ | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415996/ | 19:14 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | oh, and AJaeger's docs change: | 19:15 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415493/ | 19:15 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | that's one I've reviewed, awaiting more eyes | 19:15 |
| * diablo_rojo opened a bunch of tabs | 19:16 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | brb plugging in computer | 19:16 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | nothing else to note there | 19:16 |
| * SotK merges AJaeger's patch | 19:16 | |
| SotK | ok, lets move on | 19:17 |
| SotK | #topic Migration scripts | 19:17 |
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| SotK | I believe that it is a good time to see if our LP migration scripts still work? | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | So, do we know the last time they were used for sure? | 19:18 |
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| SotK | I think they were used when craige was investigating phabricator stuff | 19:18 |
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| SotK | so probably late 2015/early 2016 | 19:19 |
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| diablo_rojo | Not so bad then | 19:19 |
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| diablo_rojo | So, we need to test those to see what all breaks so we can hopefully get Monasca rolling on moving over. | 19:20 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | if it's any help, they were used to import infra stories to storyboard before that; some unusual characters weren't converted properly | 19:20 |
| SotK | that is help, we need to fix that bug | 19:20 |
| diablo_rojo | unusual characters? | 19:21 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | it's something we should test on a small scale first, hang on, will find the story | 19:21 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ remembers it because she went through removing the oddness so GETs worked properly | 19:21 | |
| SotK | terminal colour codes and stuff iirc | 19:21 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ finds https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/292 | 19:22 | |
| diablo_rojo | Interesting. Okay well if its just a few things to get cleaned up that shouldn't be bad. Does anyone have something we could test it on? | 19:22 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I would imagine storyboard-dev.openstack.org would be a good place? | 19:23 |
| SotK | I suggest we try importing a real LP project into storyboard-dev | 19:23 |
| persia | There were a few classes of characters that were not converted properly. These at least included A) ANSI control codes, B) some multibyte characters (but not all multibyte characters, strangely), and C) some cases where different sorts of markup seemed to be overly escaped. | 19:23 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, so we could hypothetically just try it with Monasca to storyboard-dev and so long as it all looks happy then we can move forward with the real migration? | 19:25 |
| persia | Specifically related to Monasca: what is the post-migration plan for things like https://bugs.launchpad.net/monasca/+bug/1368661 ? | 19:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1368661 in Glance Client "Unit tests sometimes fail because of stale pyc files" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Shu Muto (shu-mutou) | 19:25 |
| SotK | it strikes me we will also need to decide how to encode the priorities opf of tasks from LP | 19:25 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo: yes, I reckon so | 19:26 |
| persia | rhochmuth: How do you think the monasca team will want to encode priorities in the future? | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | persia, good question :) | 19:26 |
| rhochmuth | i'm not sure | 19:26 |
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| rhochmuth | are you referring to high, undecided, … | 19:27 |
| rhochmuth | for example, the priority to resolve a bug or implment a feature | 19:27 |
| persia | There are two different common ways of expressing priority in Storyboard, used today. One is to use tags (e.g. "high-priority"). The other is to use worklists (gather the most important into a worklist, with developers expected to pull their next activity from that worklist). | 19:27 |
| persia | Yes. LP has a "Priority" field, with Critical, High, Medium, Low, Undecided. Storyboard doesn't have that field. | 19:28 |
| rhochmuth | i think the tags would be the best approach | 19:28 |
| rhochmuth | for bugs | 19:28 |
| rhochmuth | the worklists i see being more useful for tasks associated with a new feature or blueprint | 19:29 |
| rhochmuth | So, I think the Priority field would be useful | 19:29 |
| rhochmuth | without that we can't order bugs for resolution | 19:29 |
| persia | Specifically for the migration, do you think it makes sense to create tags as part of migration? | 19:29 |
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| persia | Or do you think it makes sense to populate a worklist in Priority order. | 19:30 |
| rhochmuth | i see, i think tags make sense | 19:30 |
| fungi | also, with automatic worklists based on story tags, you can sort of emulate the old bug importance implementation in lp | 19:30 |
| persia | Ah, good point | 19:30 |
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| rhochmuth | well, now i might want to change my mind since you put it that way | 19:31 |
| fungi | you can have an automatic worklist for high-importance bugs, and tag them with monasca-bug-high or something | 19:31 |
| rhochmuth | so, if you can create worklists by based on tags, that sounds like what we woudl want | 19:31 |
| rhochmuth | sounds like it would work well | 19:31 |
| persia | rhochmuth: Note that automatic worklists aren't editable directly, so if you go that way, and you want to change a priority, you'd go to the individual story, and change the tag. | 19:32 |
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| fungi | and then their tasks would automatically appear in some "monasca's high importance bugs" worklist | 19:32 |
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| * SotK would also recommend some kind of worklist approach | 19:32 | |
| persia | But I think that's the easiest to implement in a migration script, especially tags with names like project-importance (e.g. monasca-high) | 19:33 |
| rhochmuth | i think that flow would work | 19:33 |
| persia | And if a team wants to change later, it's not that hard to create a manual worklist with the most important things on the top. | 19:33 |
| rhochmuth | so, within a project, you have several worklists | 19:33 |
| rhochmuth | one list for high, another for medium, ... | 19:34 |
| persia | Whereas, I think if the migration script goes straight to worklists, it's hard for teams to migrate to something using tags. | 19:34 |
| SotK | persia: I concur | 19:34 |
| fungi | rhochmuth: worklists aren't tied to projects. anyone can create one | 19:34 |
| rhochmuth | and then the bugs are tagged and automatically put into a worklist | 19:34 |
| rhochmuth | ohhh, | 19:34 |
| persia | rhochmuth: And if you need to add cross-project things to the worklist, you can use the same tag, even on another project. | 19:34 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | bear in mind that you can filter a tag by project and name, so there's no need to use something like 'monasca-high' if you filtered by 'monasca' and 'high-priority' | 19:34 |
| SotK | though, I'm not sure the project name would be needed, you could just have the worklist contain tasks in the Monasca project in stories with the relevant tag | 19:34 |
| fungi | zara_the_lemur__: great point | 19:35 |
| rhochmuth | i think i understand | 19:35 |
| persia | zara_the_lemur__: That makes it hard to emulate something like https://bugs.launchpad.net/monasca/+bug/1368661 , where different projects have different priorities for the same story. | 19:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1368661 in Glance Client "Unit tests sometimes fail because of stale pyc files" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Shu Muto (shu-mutou) | 19:35 |
| persia | Err, different importance. | 19:35 |
| fungi | also true | 19:35 |
| SotK | hm, good point | 19:35 |
| rhochmuth | well, i'm not sure that case where there are different priorities is as important | 19:36 |
| rhochmuth | seems like an outlier | 19:36 |
| persia | I think that long-term, if people like to use tags for importance, some common tags may come into use, but for the migration script, I think we want to preserve as much information from LP as possible. | 19:36 |
| SotK | seems sensible to me | 19:37 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | makes sense | 19:37 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | (also, that reminds me, I believe we need task-tag filtering in the webclient) | 19:38 |
| persia | rhochmuth: I've worked on a number of differnt projects that use LP (both inside and outside openstack), and find it fairly normal that different projects have different priorities for the same issue (depending on what else needs doing, whether there are deadlines, etc.) | 19:38 |
| rhochmuth | got it, a lot of learnings for me | 19:38 |
| rhochmuth | thx persia | 19:38 |
| SotK | so to summarise, we need to fix the priority handling in the migration script to use tags, and we need to fix the encoding bug | 19:39 |
| SotK | and we will then run a test import against storyboard-dev | 19:39 |
| persia | SotK: Yes, but I have another issue to raise :) | 19:40 |
| SotK | persia: go on | 19:40 |
| fungi | longer term having fine-grained ordering in team-specific and personal worklists may provide a more usable model, though i expect it will take a while for our community to acclimate since it is a fairly significant paradigm shift | 19:40 |
| persia | If there is not a "flag day", where all the projects migrate, what is the right thing to do with LP bugs that affect multiple projects, where one of those projects is migrating, and another project is not migrating? | 19:40 |
| persia | fungi: +1 | 19:40 |
| SotK | ah, like the one you linked | 19:41 |
| persia | Yes. | 19:41 |
| fungi | persia: if there are only a handful, those bugs will diverge, but comments in lp that are missing from sb will get added at reimport later | 19:41 |
| * persia spent the beginning of the meeting poring through Monasca bugs to find an example like that | 19:41 | |
| persia | fungi: And comments in sb will never be in LP? | 19:41 |
| fungi | right | 19:41 |
| fungi | projects with lots of shared bugs, we've recommended waitibng for a big-bang import | 19:42 |
| fungi | monasca has stated that they feel the number of cross-project bugs involving their project are minimal enough to accept that bit of pain | 19:42 |
| persia | My concern with that is that it might impact cross-project coordination, but I suppose if individual projects are willing to take on the extra load of watching both places while waiting for the big bang, that choice should be available. | 19:42 |
| persia | And that implementation is easy enough that it shouldn't complicate things too much (other than a little extra work for early migration teams) | 19:43 |
| fungi | and yeah, any additional cross-project pain might help increase momentum/adoption ;) | 19:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha ha ha a silver lining | 19:43 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | :D | 19:43 |
| persia | In that case, I'm happy with SotK's earlier summary, unless rhochmuth is surprised and worried about the extra cross-project effort. | 19:44 |
| rhochmuth | persia: i made an assumption we didn't have too many cross-project issues | 19:44 |
| persia | rhochmuth: You don't, based on looking at about 40% of your bugs :) | 19:44 |
| rhochmuth | i don't think the monasca team is worried about it then | 19:45 |
| rhochmuth | thx | 19:45 |
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| SotK | excellent | 19:46 |
| SotK | thanks rhochmuth and the monasca team :) | 19:47 |
| rhochmuth | that you storyboard team | 19:47 |
| rhochmuth | :-) | 19:47 |
| rhochmuth | is there anything you need me to do | 19:47 |
| rhochmuth | or any help with | 19:47 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, ? | 19:48 |
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| diablo_rojo | More internet issues I expect.. | 19:49 |
| * SotK can't think of anything immediately off the top of his head except "feel free to help out with reviews and code and stuff if you like/have the time" | 19:49 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, I'm not aware of anything migration-specific | 19:50 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | though we'll let you know if we think of anything | 19:50 |
| rhochmuth | ok, sounds good | 19:50 |
| SotK | indeed | 19:50 |
| rhochmuth | will look for revews | 19:50 |
| fungi | rhochmuth: once the import script is tested/working, we'll want to schedule a window to import your stories in production and turn off lp bug tracking (and you'll probably want to coordinate some documentation updates and announcements about that for the same time) | 19:50 |
| rhochmuth | got it | 19:51 |
| rhochmuth | thanks fungi | 19:51 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | if you have any more questions, feel free to ask as they come up! :) | 19:51 |
| rhochmuth | do you have a time-frame? | 19:51 |
| fungi | there's one other annoyance we've noticed, which is that disabling bug reporting in lp doesn't make existing bugs immutable, it only prevents opening new bugs... so people may still update old lp bugs from time to time if they didn't "get the memo" | 19:51 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, so we'll have to watch for that | 19:52 |
| persia | In other contexts, I've seen teams set all open bugs in LP to invalid with a comment pointing to the new tracker. | 19:52 |
| rhochmuth | but, it sounds reasonable that we'll be able to track that | 19:52 |
| rhochmuth | persia: that sounds like a good idea | 19:52 |
| persia | This isn't the most friendly transition, but it has been used in the past by teams migrating from LP to other (non-SB) things. | 19:52 |
| fungi | persia: yep, that may be a good tack to take, though could be messy for the handful of shared bugs | 19:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Easy enough to do for all the non shared bugs though I would think | 19:53 |
| persia | fungi: Also popular bugs with many subscribers. The debate over whether some project should use LP or not can overflow into unrelated issues, and people can become unhappy about bug subscriptions. | 19:53 |
| fungi | yeah, the lp api, even with its warts, is pretty easy to use for something like that | 19:53 |
| persia | diablo_rojo: Yep. | 19:54 |
| fungi | oh, though bugs with many subscribers have a tendency to run into internal lp timeouts when trying to update them | 19:54 |
| persia | #launchpad can often help with those special cases. | 19:54 |
| fungi | so there could be a few that end up not getting updated with the pointer, but that's better than nothing | 19:54 |
| fungi | yeah, also sometimes the smtp api will work for those where the http api and webui don't | 19:55 |
| SotK | certainly sounds like a good idea to me | 19:56 |
| SotK | can anyone think of anything else to discuss about this right now? | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Nope? | 19:57 |
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| SotK | then I guess we'll have open discussion for a couple of minutes | 19:57 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:57 |
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| diablo_rojo | Got the second blog post basically done so we can post that whenever. Decision on what we are changing the domain to? | 19:58 |
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| SotK | my favourite one in the etherpad is unavailable :( | 19:59 |
| SotK | we can continue this discussion in #storyboard though, since we should probably pick something and are out of time | 19:59 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| diablo_rojo | Fair enough :) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 11 20:00:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| SotK | thanks folks :) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-01-11-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-01-11-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-01-11-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
| ekhugen_alt | #startmeeting wos-mentoring | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 11 20:00:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen_alt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: wos-mentoring)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'wos_mentoring' | 20:00 |
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| ekhugen_alt | hi, who's here for the women of openstack mentoring meeting? | 20:01 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi Emily | 20:01 |
| CarolBarrett | Happy New Year! | 20:01 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi CarolBarrett! | 20:01 |
| ekhugen_alt | Thanks! Happy New Year to you too! | 20:01 |
| ekhugen_alt | I know Megan sent me a note she couldn't be here | 20:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 20:03 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Kendall! | 20:03 |
| ekhugen_alt | oh CarolBarrett was Nicole from Intel going to come? She sent me an email about getting an invite | 20:03 |
| CarolBarrett | ekhugen_alt: Good question, I'll ping her! | 20:03 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks! | 20:04 |
| CarolBarrett | she's on her way | 20:04 |
| spotz | I'm here in a normal distractedly way if needed:) | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Amy! | 20:05 |
| * ekhugen_alt wishes everyone a Happy New Year and hopes their holidays were nice | 20:05 | |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, you and me both :) | 20:05 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #topic matches | 20:06 |
| spotz | Happy New Years all | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "matches (Meeting topic: wos-mentoring)" | 20:06 | |
| ekhugen_alt | so first topic is matches (I think we can catch Nicole up when she comes) | 20:06 |
| ekhugen_alt | right now according to spreadsheet we have 10 mentor/mentee pairs https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r2ZZNq7MBNJNKr0g_QlnQvhmkTSC8pf1x4DC-_NMfhA/edit#gid=0 | 20:07 |
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| ekhugen_alt | which is I think half of all people signed up are currently matched (it sounds kind of low when I say 10 pairs for some reason | 20:08 |
| ekhugen_alt | we were going to check in with them after 1 month (it's been slightly more than that) | 20:08 |
| ekhugen_alt | any suggestions on what the checkup note should say? | 20:08 |
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| * ekhugen_alt waves hi to Nicole_ | 20:10 | |
| Nicole_ | hi there! | 20:10 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi Nicole_ | 20:10 |
| diablo_rojo | If they feel like they are a good fit mentor/mentee wise? What is the best bit of advice they have gotten so far? How often do they connect? | 20:11 |
| CarolBarrett | ekhugen_alt: Can we adapt what we wrote for the previous checkin email? | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo | I'd keep it pretty short | 20:11 |
| spotz | ekhugen_alt: I know Shilla and I are going to try to start next week. But maybe just mention breaks are over? | 20:11 |
| ekhugen_alt | yeah, I guess the question is kind of, should we try to get some information out of this note, or just treat it as a reminder/is the mentoring relationship still breathing note? | 20:13 |
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| spotz | I'd go with still breathing. At least with the timing of my match we didn't have a chance to do anything before breaks | 20:14 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, ha ha good question. I suppose info gathering isn't really necessary. | 20:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Still breathing sounds good to me. | 20:15 |
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| ekhugen_alt | and CarolBarrett I think the only previous checkup note we did was when we sent out the survey, for the first round of matches | 20:15 |
| CarolBarrett | ekhugen_alt: It might be good to see if anyone of the Matches are interested in participating in a session in Boston to talk about their experience | 20:15 |
| Nicole_ | perhaps see if the mentor/mentee relationships are still breathing, although it'd be nice to build these out into a collage of mini-stories in the long term. | 20:16 |
| Nicole_ | emily, carol -- love your idea! | 20:17 |
| Nicole_ | about considering some of these as stories/sessions in boston. | 20:17 |
| ekhugen_alt | so I think a Happy New Year, we're just checking in on you to see how your mentoring relationship is going/if you have any questions. Also we're trying to get a panel session together for the Boston summit, reply if you're interested | 20:17 |
| ekhugen_alt | type of note? | 20:17 |
| CarolBarrett | Yes | 20:18 |
| Nicole_ | double yes. | 20:18 |
| spotz | ekhugen_alt: Sounds good, only issue might be that call for presentations are out. Might need to get that in before you might get responses | 20:18 |
| Nicole_ | i'm writing a session submission for another diversity-related session. i'd be happy to write one for a mentor-related session. | 20:19 |
| ekhugen_alt | spotz: are you suggesting delaying asking about this until we're sure the presentation is accepted? | 20:19 |
| Nicole_ | have we done something like this before? | 20:19 |
| spotz | nope opposite:) | 20:19 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think actually Anne mccormick put a note out to the listserv looking for people | 20:19 |
| spotz | ekhugen_alt: Apply now because you may not hear back in time | 20:19 |
| ekhugen_alt | so she's putting the session together, I believe | 20:20 |
| Nicole_ | ah, ok | 20:20 |
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| CarolBarrett | Yup - Anne McCormick is leading this. | 20:21 |
| Nicole_ | sounds great | 20:21 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so maybe instead of "reply if you're interested" "reply to Anne <email> if you're interested"? | 20:21 |
| CarolBarrett | If we do that we should check with her first. If we ask for responses to our email, then we can pass the contacts to Anne. 6 of one; half-dozen of another... | 20:23 |
| ekhugen_alt | I can send her an email and ask her preference | 20:23 |
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| ekhugen_alt | anything else for the follow up emails? or matches in general? | 20:24 |
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| diablo_rojo | DOnt think so :) | 20:24 |
| CarolBarrett | nope | 20:24 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay #topic openstack project | 20:25 |
| ekhugen_alt | I don't have much to report here, I put it on the agenda to shame myself into action | 20:25 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think last year I left it as I was partway through the project creator's guide and needed something from the infra team | 20:25 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think they might've added me to the projects (so I can start adding others) but I need to go back and check that | 20:26 |
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| ekhugen_alt | <- bad emily | 20:26 |
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| ekhugen_alt | any questions or comments on this? | 20:27 |
| spotz | not I | 20:27 |
| CarolBarrett | nope | 20:27 |
| ekhugen_alt | #topic Boston planning | 20:28 |
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| ekhugen_alt | anyone have any updates on Boston planning for a speed mentoring session? | 20:28 |
| Nicole_ | intel is sponsoring the speed mentoring session in boston | 20:29 |
| spotz | Nice | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | yay! thank you! | 20:29 |
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| Nicole_ | i'm exited about it! | 20:29 |
| Nicole_ | i'd like to get team input as we plan for it. | 20:29 |
| Nicole_ | what worked/what didn't work. | 20:30 |
| ekhugen_alt | Nicole_ +1 | 20:30 |
| spotz | It's moving to a lunch right? | 20:30 |
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| ekhugen_alt | is it going to be a breakfast session again, or is there the chance to switch to later in the day? | 20:31 |
| Nicole_ | am checking on that. | 20:31 |
| Nicole_ | would like to move it later in the day, if we can. | 20:31 |
| CarolBarrett | ekhugen_alt: Did we capture improvements for the next round in Barcelona? | 20:31 |
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| CarolBarrett | I know they were looking at Lunch, but I haven't seen that confirmed by anyone from the Foundation yet | 20:31 |
| Nicole_ | am checking on the time in parallel. | 20:32 |
| CarolBarrett | ekhugen_alt: I thought we had an etherpad...? but I could be imagining things | 20:32 |
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| spotz | I'm gonna end up with Breakfast and Learns:) | 20:32 |
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| ekhugen_alt | carolbarrett we did, I don't think we had much in there (no mentors replied in it) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/speed-mentoring-barcelona | 20:33 |
| Nicole_ | from memory, i can remember 2 of the highlights, but am trying to think of areas for improvement. | 20:34 |
| ekhugen_alt | oh here, I think we had some suggestions at this wos meeting https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WOS_11_14_16 | 20:34 |
| spotz | I wasn't there, only feedback I really heard was that one of the mentors wasn't prepared but that's kind of vague | 20:34 |
| Nicole_ | at this point, i've confirmed that it's still during breakfast. | 20:34 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so I think we liked the idea of having separate career and technical mentoring | 20:36 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, +1 | 20:36 |
| ekhugen_alt | but we wanted to have like ushers to seat mentors and mentees | 20:36 |
| CarolBarrett | I think a couple of things we talked about changing for next time are: Having the greeters usher people to seats to get the table distribution we want | 20:36 |
| ekhugen_alt | carolbarrett +1 | 20:36 |
| CarolBarrett | Also, having a sign that indicates which tables are for Technical and which are for Career mentoring | 20:37 |
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| CarolBarrett | There's a comment in one of the other etherpads about having 2 mentors per table - might be a good idea, esp if we seat ~8 people at a table... | 20:37 |
| spotz | +1 | 20:37 |
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| ekhugen_alt | Did people like having 2 mentors per table? I thought that people actually didn't like that | 20:38 |
| ekhugen_alt | because one mentor would tend to talk more than the other | 20:38 |
| CarolBarrett | It seems like we have a challenge getting both our mentors and mentees there on time - if this moves to lunch that might solve the early morning part of this issue, but could introduce others (like people getting from Point A to Point B) | 20:38 |
| diablo_rojo | I think it depended on the table and pair of mentors- some talked more than others. | 20:38 |
| diablo_rojo | That was my take anyway. | 20:39 |
| CarolBarrett | ekhugen_alt: You may be right. I don't have any 1st hand feedback on this | 20:39 |
| ekhugen_alt | I'm just going by what's in that etherpad from Nov. 14 | 20:39 |
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| Nicole_ | in looking at the etherpad from the wos 11/14 meeting, it looks like timing comes up quite a bit. | 20:39 |
| Nicole_ | both, timing of the wos/diversity/mentor sessions overall (sequence of sessions), and the specific time of the mentor session. | 20:40 |
| ekhugen_alt | yes, it was a real issue at both events that people did not come even remotely on time | 20:40 |
| ekhugen_alt | I wish I had a better solution for that | 20:41 |
| Nicole_ | the boston prospectus & schedule hasn't been printed yet. we may still have time to influence the timing of sessions overall, and the time of the mentor session specifically. | 20:41 |
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| CarolBarrett | I find it hard to imagine they will move both the Speed Mentoring and WOO Networking Session to lunch | 20:42 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think we only ended up with 2 15 minute sessions at Barcelona, because of how late we started | 20:42 |
| diablo_rojo | What is the normal time block we have to work with? | 20:42 |
| spotz | From doing the lunch and learns we still have stragglers, you also have an issue of folks not there for the session just in the room for lunch | 20:42 |
| Nicole_ | i think the time block was 50 min. | 20:42 |
| ekhugen_alt | diablo_rojo well the past two times we got like 7:30-8:45 | 20:42 |
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| spotz | yeah have to be over by 8:45 so people can get to keynotes | 20:43 |
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| diablo_rojo | Maybe we just start rotations sooner and as stragglers come it we can catch them at the door with the lowdown rather than waiting for more people | 20:43 |
| spotz | +1 | 20:43 |
| diablo_rojo | IF we wait too long we dont get as many rotations in | 20:43 |
| ekhugen_alt | right, but then we also don't have many people to start the first rotation | 20:44 |
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| ekhugen_alt | crazy idea, but what if we threw out the idea of rotations? | 20:44 |
| spotz | So just 1 mentor per table and folks stay put? | 20:44 |
| spotz | definitely helps with the rotation chaos | 20:45 |
| ekhugen_alt | right, but then maybe we could have a list of questions to go through and call time on each question | 20:45 |
| ekhugen_alt | to help make sure it moves along and doesn't get caught up in one person talking the whole time? Maybe that makes it not really speed mentoring | 20:45 |
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| Nicole_ | timing was 7:30-8:35 am in barcelona. but it didn't feel like it was that long, given the issues that folks have already mentioned above. | 20:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Rotating mentors instead of mentees helps clear up the chaos | 20:46 |
| diablo_rojo | some of it anyway | 20:46 |
| Nicole_ | agree with the idea of 1 mentor per table, based on the earlier feedback | 20:46 |
| Nicole_ | i think we need clearer delineation of technical vs career tables | 20:47 |
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| CarolBarrett | Nicole_: +1 | 20:48 |
| ekhugen_alt | Nicole_ +1 | 20:48 |
| diablo_rojo | Nicole_, +1 | 20:48 |
| spotz | what about asking for questions in advance? | 20:48 |
| diablo_rojo | Discussion questions in advance is a good idea too. | 20:48 |
| Nicole_ | maybe there's a way to ask them what their top 3 questions are at the time that they register? | 20:49 |
| spotz | That way if someone asks something really good it can be asked at all the related tables | 20:49 |
| ekhugen_alt | ooh, that's a good idea | 20:49 |
| diablo_rojo | Nicole_, +1 | 20:49 |
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| Nicole_ | this will also tell us how many are interested in which track (e.g. technical vs career) | 20:49 |
| CarolBarrett | +1 | 20:50 |
| Nicole_ | we'll also be able to see what interests are, and if they're in the same areas, different areas, etc. | 20:50 |
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| Nicole_ | what's the consensus on time of day? breakfast? lunch? evening? | 20:51 |
| ekhugen_alt | +1 | 20:51 |
| Nicole_ | and the consensus on sequencing of the networking session & mentor session? | 20:51 |
| ekhugen_alt | I like evening, personally | 20:51 |
| diablo_rojo | While I hate waking up early, I have the least conflicts before the keynotes. | 20:52 |
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| CarolBarrett | I agree with Evening...esp now that there are fewer evening parties | 20:52 |
| Nicole_ | am thinking the sponsors of the mentor & networking sessions can work together with the foundation to see if we can influence the time of day. | 20:52 |
| spotz | evening will get you the most turn out potentially or at least the most sign ups | 20:52 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I don't have a strong feeling on the sequencing? | 20:53 |
| diablo_rojo | If you decide evening would be better I can talk to the people who will be doing the scheduling at the foundation for the Summit/Forum. | 20:53 |
| CarolBarrett | No request on sequencing either | 20:53 |
| ekhugen_alt | instead of truly evening, maybe last session of the day could be a compromise? although then we're competing with other sessions potentially | 20:55 |
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| CarolBarrett | That could work | 20:56 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay we only have 4 minutes left, do we have any thing else we want to be sure to discuss today? | 20:56 |
| Nicole_ | from the feedback at the 11/14 wos meeting, it looks like there's some input to host a meetup or the networking session prior to the mentor session so that folks have an intro to wos | 20:56 |
| Nicole_ | does someone have the action item to work with the foundation on timing? it would be great to close on that before we close this meeting. | 20:58 |
| ekhugen_alt | Nicole_ by timing do you mean breakfast/lunch/evening? or the sequencing? | 20:58 |
| Nicole_ | breakfast/lunch/evening ... that seems to be the priority | 20:58 |
| ekhugen_alt | it sounds like most people like evening, and diablo_rojo offered to talk with the schedulers? | 20:59 |
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| ekhugen_alt | we can continue talking on openstack-women | 20:59 |
| Nicole_ | excellent! | 20:59 |
| ekhugen_alt | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 11 20:59:50 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-01-11-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-01-11-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-01-11-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #start meeting swift | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 11 21:00:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:00 |
| bkeller` | o/ | 21:00 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:00 |
| joeljwright | hey | 21:00 |
| dmorita | o/ | 21:00 |
| milkman__ | o/ | 21:00 |
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| pdardeau | hi | 21:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
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| sgundur_ | hi | 21:01 |
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| acoles | hi | 21:01 |
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| tdasilva | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome everyone | 21:01 |
| kmARC | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | agenda for this week is at | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | and because of timezones, I'd like to start at the bottom with cschwede | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: what's up with part power increase? I'm looking forward to that! | 21:02 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337297/ | 21:02 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: thx! well, i just wanted to check if there are any questions regarding the patch, if i could help reviewers getting this forward | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | looks like in the past both mattoliverau and pdardeau have commented on it | 21:03 |
| notmyname | cschwede: but you're currently blocked needing reviews on it, right? | 21:03 |
| timburke | hey, that was another one i wanted to look at from the "Needs Final Approval" category on http://not.mn/reviews.html | 21:03 |
| pdardeau | i'll review again | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | I'm mostly back in the swing after my vacation, so I'll have another play with it :) | 21:04 |
| cschwede | yes, and I hopefully adressed all comments from Matt and Paul | 21:04 |
| notmyname | pdardeau: mattoliverau: thanks! | 21:04 |
| cschwede | Pete already added his +2 to that patch | 21:04 |
| notmyname | great | 21:04 |
| cschwede | so ping me if you have time for review and questions on that patch - would be great! | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | cschwede: well pdardeau and I will find some time :) | 21:05 |
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| pdardeau | yep | 21:05 |
| cschwede | mattoliverau, pdardeau: thx a lot! | 21:05 |
| notmyname | ok, back up to the top of the list | 21:05 |
| notmyname | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1651530 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402043/ | 21:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1651530 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "suffix hash invalidation may be lost" [Critical,New] | 21:06 |
| notmyname | acoles: clayg: what's the status here? | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | I see clayg had pushed some review comments, but also a bunch of other related patches? | 21:07 |
| acoles | notmyname: I saw clayg did a great review | 21:07 |
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| acoles | notmyname: yes, I saw those but not had time today to follow up | 21:08 |
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| clayg | hi! | 21:08 |
| notmyname | oh hi! | 21:08 |
| cschwede | so that's a race condition? | 21:08 |
| acoles | I think maybe he broke it up into several patches | 21:08 |
| * clayg busts over some boxes for acoles | 21:08 | |
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| clayg | acoles: oh yeah... i was feeling really bad about that last night | 21:08 |
| acoles | hehe | 21:08 |
| notmyname | clayg: so that's the relation of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402043/ and the patches you pushed up? | 21:08 |
| clayg | does anyone know Pavel? Can I tell him ... idk something ... that i'm not a jerk on purpose? | 21:09 |
| acoles | I already told him :P | 21:09 |
| acoles | JK | 21:09 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:09 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:09 |
| clayg | so... three days in I *think* - I *think* I understand patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402043 | 21:09 |
| clayg | *almost* | 21:09 |
| acoles | clayg: you were faster than me | 21:09 |
| clayg | I spit it up into smaller patches that I do understant | 21:09 |
| clayg | *understand | 21:09 |
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| clayg | so... what to do? acoles has a +2 on patch 402043 | 21:10 |
| notmyname | ah ok | 21:10 |
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| clayg | I'm like... I can *almost* think - i'm scared... but I keep with it and believe in myself | 21:10 |
| clayg | I might be able to +A it without ruining everyone's clusters | 21:10 |
| acoles | apart from now needing to re-review them, I see the merit in splitting up, there were definitely several issues being addressed, and as someone pointed out the commit message "optimize.." hides fact that there is a bug fix | 21:10 |
| kota_ | true | 21:11 |
| notmyname | clayg: you cplit it into 4 patches right? https://review.openstack.org/418692 https://review.openstack.org/418691 https://review.openstack.org/418689 https://review.openstack.org/405134 | 21:11 |
| clayg | or rather I'm not sure if doing that should constitute negligence - since we *obviousl* should not fix three unrelated things in a critcal bug fix | 21:11 |
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| cschwede | so Pavel is not around? onovy maybe? | 21:11 |
| onovy | o/ | 21:12 |
| acoles | I feel bad that I did not push back more on the multiple-fixes-in-a-patch, I guess that's the beauty of fresh eyes | 21:12 |
| cschwede | onovy: hello :) so clayg and acoles are just discussing Pavel's patch ^^ | 21:12 |
| onovy | hi | 21:12 |
| * onovy is fine with spliting | 21:12 | |
| clayg | acoles: you see Closes-Bug and it says CRITICAL it's really hard to say "no" | 21:13 |
| cschwede | splitting sounds good to me too | 21:13 |
| acoles | clayg: are your patches in a chain, if I pull one will I see the same end result? | 21:13 |
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| onovy | and pavel is on vacation (family reason, new baby) | 21:13 |
| clayg | honestly tho - i'm more pissed about the double rehash optimization than the teeny little race on new parts | 21:13 |
| clayg | i mean... both should be fixed obviously :P | 21:13 |
| clayg | but I have this deep burning hate for with REPLICATE requests | 21:14 |
| clayg | did we netsplit? | 21:14 |
| onovy | no, i'm here | 21:14 |
| clayg | acoles: no my patches are *not* in a chain | 21:14 |
| notmyname | no, just quiet :-) | 21:14 |
| acoles | clayg: k | 21:14 |
| clayg | the changes were all orthogonal and I didn't want review of one to hold up any other | 21:15 |
| clayg | if you're super into eliminating the write iop on noop replicate reqeusts - go review that one | 21:15 |
| clayg | if you don't like the race with invalidate of a part while doing the initial rehash to create the hashes.pkl - go review that one | 21:15 |
| onovy | should Pavel review that three patches too, right? | 21:15 |
| clayg | if you think doing rehash of every suffix twice every replicate call is a bad idea - go review that one | 21:16 |
| clayg | onovy: that would be super helpful | 21:16 |
| notmyname | seems that on one hand we've got a complex patch that closes an important issue and does a few other nice things too, and already has one +2. on the other, we've got a few unlrelated patches that each do only one thing, but they're all unreviewed | 21:16 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: I've been playing with that patch. So I'll continue to review it (noop one) | 21:16 |
| onovy | clayg: i will ask him tomorrow | 21:16 |
| acoles | onovy: let him enjoy his new baby! I'll take a look over them, but he may want to before they merge | 21:16 |
| clayg | notmyname: that's a great description of the situation! | 21:17 |
| clayg | notmyname: but please understand - i wasn't trying to make extra work - or even get on a high horse about splitting them up | 21:17 |
| onovy | acoles: he is working from home. sometimes :) | 21:17 |
| clayg | notmyname: if you look at my review I'm all like "why the ^%&* is this gross code here?" and it's not till you understand all the things going on that you can sort to understand the motivations and reasons for all the changes | 21:18 |
| clayg | and I think... | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ok, so the risk of sticking with the first is that we might land broken code. the benefit is that it might land sooner. the risk of the second method is one or more just languish for a long time, and the important one(s) will take longer anyway for rereviews | 21:18 |
| clayg | well acctually I still don't unerstand the fix for the new part race | 21:18 |
| clayg | I ended up with a totally different solution to make the tests pass | 21:18 |
| notmyname | clayg: what do you want to do? stick with the new patches or just use your work there to understand the first one? | 21:19 |
| clayg | notmyname: "might land sooner" - if Pavel is not intested in collaborating on the split up changes to fix these issues independently I think I would prefer not to side step his amazing efforts in the combined patch | 21:20 |
| notmyname | acoles: what do you want to do? rereview or land the one you've already +2;;d | 21:20 |
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| clayg | notmyname: that would leave me trying to +A the existing combined patch - which so far I don't have a sufficient behavioral deficiency to -1 | 21:21 |
| clayg | ... but I don't understand it yet either | 21:21 |
| acoles | notmyname: I think my +2 came with caveat that I had some hand in the patch, so ideally we'd have two more +2's on something critical | 21:21 |
| clayg | ... trying | 21:21 |
| clayg | acoles: can you maybe explain to me after the meeting how it managed to fix invalidate_hashes dropping suffix invalidation on the floor when the hashes.pkl doesn't exist without changing invalidate_hashes? | 21:22 |
| onovy | just my two cents: if we can wait a bit, Pavel can take a look into 3 splitted/clayg's patches | 21:22 |
| acoles | clayg: are your patches a decomposition of the original or wildly different? | 21:22 |
| clayg | I think that's he only piece I really still don't understand | 21:22 |
| notmyname | ok. I'm not leaning too strongly one way or the other, but if we need a decision made, I'd vote for the splits | 21:22 |
| clayg | the rest is style nits that I think I can fix in a follow up | 21:22 |
| onovy | clayg: Pavel should explain it to you :) | 21:22 |
| clayg | acoles: the tests transfer - the solutions are ment to be "more obviously correct" | 21:22 |
| clayg | no wildly different | 21:22 |
| kota_ | notmyname: +1 | 21:23 |
| acoles | clayg: I can try explain but I'll need to reload it first. | 21:23 |
| notmyname | onovy: aside from the cosmic injustice of knowing there's a bug and having a patch unmerged that seems to fix it, no, there is no particular rush | 21:23 |
| clayg | except for the race - i still don't understand pavel's fix for the race - I think my fix is obviously correct and I stole your tests | 21:23 |
| kota_ | I'm moving to review the original combined to the splitted 4. | 21:23 |
| clayg | *obviously correct* modulo whatever could be claned up pending review (e.g. the weird mkdirs call under directory lock? wtf? cc kota) | 21:23 |
| onovy | notmyname: yep. critical bug (data loss) was already fixed. this should be well tested | 21:24 |
| onovy | don't added another regression here (again :) | 21:24 |
| notmyname | kota_: I don't follow what you mean by "review the original combined to the split 4" | 21:24 |
| clayg | onovy: if Pavel could do that it would be *very* helpful! what's his handle? does he lurk? | 21:24 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: I think kota_ means he's faviouring the combined. | 21:25 |
| mattoliverau | I'm not sure myself. | 21:25 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: ah, i like the second method to review clayg's patches, i mean and I has started to review them. | 21:25 |
| mattoliverau | personaly I like them split up, only because they're more targeted and easier for my head to get around (eventually). But that might just be my brain being slow. | 21:25 |
| clayg | acoles: well could you read the commit message and glance at the diff in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418690/ | 21:25 |
| onovy | clayg: you mean just now? it's 10pm here, so i think he is sleeping :) | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's do that. it's decided. we'll get Pavel's view on the split patches, acoles will (may?) rereview, clayg will continue to own the split patches, kota_ et al will review | 21:26 |
| onovy | notmyname: +1 | 21:26 |
| notmyname | everyone agree? | 21:26 |
| clayg | acoles: you filed the bug - so you should at least be able to reload the failure quickly - and I think my diff is small/obvious enough that you might either agree "yeah that's the fix" or "oh, now I remember what the other change did!" | 21:26 |
| onovy | i will send note to Pavel | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:26 |
| notmyname | onovy: thanks. but remind him that babies come before code ;-) | 21:26 |
| onovy | :] | 21:26 |
| clayg | onovy: if at any point Pavel wants to restore his authorship of the four spit patches - I really only consider that I have split his work on his behalf | 21:27 |
| clayg | i am but a humble servent and beg forgiveness for my hubris | 21:27 |
| notmyname | clayg: you can `git commit --ammend --author="foo bar <foo@bar>"` to change the commit | 21:27 |
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| clayg | oh goodness the poor bloke is replicating!? | 21:27 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on! | 21:28 |
| notmyname | kota_: any progress on global ec this week? | 21:28 |
| onovy | clayg: Co-Author: Pavel Kvasnička <pavel.kvasnicka@firma.seznam.cz> // so i'm fine with authorship | 21:28 |
| kota_ | notmyname: unfortunately nothing except i rebased it onto the newest master | 21:28 |
| onovy | clayg: but yep. if it's just split, you can --amend author and push it yourself :) | 21:29 |
| kota_ | notmyname: i really want volunteer for reviews. | 21:29 |
| onovy | move on, sry | 21:29 |
| kota_ | volunteers | 21:29 |
| notmyname | specifically for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219165/ | 21:29 |
| kota_ | yes, that one. | 21:29 |
| notmyname | EC fragment duplication. can anyone volunteer to review this patch, please? | 21:30 |
| clayg | I obviously should step up - i have it loaded in my brain form... Austin? | 21:30 |
| clayg | no... San Antonio | 21:30 |
| notmyname | timburke: will you have a chance? | 21:30 |
| clayg | I remember looking at it in the hotel lobby | 21:30 |
| timburke | i was just thinking about that. sure | 21:30 |
| notmyname | timburke: awesome, thanks | 21:30 |
| kota_ | clayg: yeah, that review was helpful to progress, thx. | 21:31 |
| clayg | I have bandwidth this week (and into early next) for reviews - i'd like to spend it there for sure. | 21:31 |
| notmyname | clayg: cool, thanks | 21:31 |
| notmyname | jrichli: symlink progress from this week. what's up? | 21:31 |
| jrichli | thanks for all the great feedback on the api patch. | 21:32 |
| jrichli | i am squashing it into the implementation patch now. | 21:32 |
| notmyname | ah, cool | 21:32 |
| notmyname | and you've mapped that into a trello board right? https://trello.com/b/oQHkQuV9/swift-symlinks | 21:32 |
| notmyname | either you or tdasilva did | 21:32 |
| jrichli | yes, tdasilva created cards for outstanding issues | 21:33 |
| clayg | wtg tdasilva! | 21:33 |
| notmyname | thankd tdasilva | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | just copy and paste from clayg's awesome comments ;) | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | if anyone wants access to that board, please ping me on irc with your trello username and i'll add you | 21:34 |
| notmyname | access == write access. IIRC it's public read | 21:34 |
| notmyname | jrichli: acoles: how was the keymaster v2 call last week? anything to report from that? | 21:34 |
| kota_ | notmyname: thanks for adding me ;-) | 21:35 |
| kota_ | notmyname: and i think m_kazuhiro may want to join? | 21:35 |
| kota_ | m_kazuhiro: ? | 21:35 |
| clayg | tdasilva: I told you that was a roast right? I just trying to keep notes from torgomatic timburke and notmyname ! | 21:35 |
| m_kazuhiro | kota_: yes. I want to join. | 21:35 |
| acoles | notmyname: call was good, thanks tdasilva for hosting | 21:36 |
| jrichli | notmyname: it went well. acoles created an etherpad and recorded the results. | 21:36 |
| acoles | notmyname: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_keymaster | 21:36 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:36 |
| notmyname | any summary? | 21:36 |
| acoles | and for the keen there is a link at bottom for call replay courtesy of tdasilva | 21:37 |
| notmyname | or what's next? | 21:37 |
| acoles | summary each keymaster impl loads key from one source. keep it simple. | 21:37 |
| jrichli | is mathiasb here? | 21:37 |
| mathiasb | notmyname: I tried to address the comments from the call and on gerrit, new version is available for review | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | mathiasb: what's the link to the patch? | 21:38 |
| mathiasb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364878/ | 21:38 |
| notmyname | mathiasb: great, thanks. so the current status is needing reviews? or are you expecting more dev work first? | 21:39 |
| mathiasb | it is ready for reviews | 21:39 |
| notmyname | ok, great | 21:39 |
| notmyname | bkeller`: any progress on notifications this week? | 21:39 |
| notmyname | any updates from last week? | 21:39 |
| bkeller` | not really | 21:40 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:40 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: what's the status of pyeclib/libec merge? any progress for merging and keeing history? | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: ? (you're talking in -swift) ;-) | 21:42 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: no progress on that this week | 21:42 |
| notmyname | ok :-) | 21:42 |
| clayg | notmyname: IIRC onovy told us to keep them seperate and pyeclib should support old versions of liberasurecode and I sorta had a conniption | 21:42 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: anything we can do to help? | 21:42 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: i just need to ping infra again | 21:42 |
| notmyname | clayg: yes, I remember that :-) | 21:42 |
| clayg | onovy: sorry about that :\ | 21:42 |
| onovy | i don't have problem with merging, if there will be correctly working build scripts for both | 21:43 |
| onovy | and i can than build two package, so same as now | 21:43 |
| tdasilva | onovy: i created this repo: https://github.com/thiagodasilva/libec | 21:44 |
| onovy | i will "lock" version between this two packages, so same version will be installed | 21:44 |
| notmyname | onovy: that makes sense. one code repo, two deliverables | 21:44 |
| onovy | tdasilva: i will take a look | 21:44 |
| tdasilva | based on the talks i had with infra folks, that's how i understood it should look like at the end | 21:44 |
| onovy | tdasilva: why not just put two dirs inside one repo and have that projects "directory separated"? | 21:45 |
| tdasilva | onovy: it has to do with the gate jobs and where they look for certain files | 21:45 |
| onovy | ah, right | 21:45 |
| tdasilva | my initial plan was sort of what you described | 21:45 |
| onovy | that's strange | 21:46 |
| onovy | you can use one build system for one language only | 21:46 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: how's the pre/post -amble patch going? | 21:47 |
| joeljwright | I'm still working on the comments from timburke/jrichlie | 21:47 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: ok | 21:47 |
| joeljwright | I have one qn for general consumption | 21:47 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:47 |
| joeljwright | would anyone mind reducing min seg size to 0 bytes? | 21:47 |
| onovy | tdasilva: if i understand correctly: make will build liberasurecode only, and python setup.py python-pyeclib only, right? | 21:48 |
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| clayg | tdasilva: but that's just merging the repo's right? it's not really making the changes in pyeclib that turn it into a true python-liberasurecode - the c code still does a dynmic reference to whatever .so you have in the LDPATH or whatever? you can publish a python-liberasurecode wheel to pypi and have it installed with pip? | 21:48 |
| tdasilva | onovy: right | 21:48 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: yeah, timburke asked me about that | 21:48 |
| onovy | tdasilva: that's really confusing to have it in one directory :/ | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | I think that if we actually write down the zero-byte chunk and jsut optimize out the read, I'm ok with that (IIRC our discussion) | 21:49 |
| onovy | just because "gates want it this way" | 21:49 |
| joeljwright | notmyname, excellent | 21:49 |
| joeljwright | that's what I've been working on | 21:49 |
| jrichli | joeljwright: I would expect torgomatic might an opinion. it'd be good to get his 2 cents | 21:49 |
| tdasilva | clayg: right, have not attempted to change any behavior yet, thought it could be done on a follow-up change? | 21:49 |
| onovy | clayg: i still need dynamic reference :] | 21:49 |
| timburke | notmyname: joeljwright: that still gets a little weird as you can't necessarily COPY an slo you can GET | 21:49 |
| clayg | onovy: lol - "why do it wrong just cause gates want it that way" - you are one of us | 21:50 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: I'm also pretty sure that others are likely to have a different opinion. ;-) | 21:50 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:50 |
| joeljwright | well, I can only propose it | 21:50 |
| onovy | clayg: :] maybe we can create some kind of workaround? | 21:50 |
| onovy | put it into subdirectory, but add makefile + setup.py into root | 21:50 |
| joeljwright | I'm aiming to have something for comments by Friday | 21:50 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: great | 21:50 |
| onovy | make just width 'cd ... ; make' | 21:50 |
| onovy | and something similar for setup.py | 21:50 |
| onovy | *with | 21:51 |
| clayg | onovy: why do you want it dynamic? I thougth you *just* said you have to lock the packages together? | 21:51 |
| onovy | clayg: yep. because i will lock packages together i don't want to have same ELF inside two packages | 21:51 |
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| onovy | statical linked inside python_c and inside liberasurecode for "C users" | 21:51 |
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| clayg | which is my whole beef - I *want* all of the ec code tightly coupled - I can only barely stand swift "supporting" multiple versions of pyeclib because we build libec from source and bump pyeclib in our requirements like we own the whole damn thing | 21:52 |
| notmyname | I want to mention one last thing before we're completely out of time. the TC approved https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/new-language-requirements.html this week. it's a process for getting not-python into openstack code repos | 21:52 |
| clayg | drives me nuts that pyeclib and liberasure code don't even *try* to say they're tightly coupled | 21:52 |
| joeljwright | \o/ | 21:52 |
| timburke | oh! joeljwright! you might have some insight into how best to record the fact that an object is a symlink in the container db :-) i was suggesting stuff it in the etag (or at least, the etag that gets sent to the container server) | 21:52 |
| onovy | clayg: right. package lock will tightly couple it | 21:52 |
| onovy | *package version lock | 21:53 |
| clayg | onovy: what is the benifit of the project "supporting" loose coupling - and then requiring packagers to implement tight coupling? | 21:53 |
| joeljwright | timburke: I'd need to think about that one! | 21:53 |
| mattoliverau | timburke: shouldn't you prepend an 'l' to it or something :P | 21:53 |
| onovy | clayg: benefit is simple. we don't want to have same binary inside two packages | 21:53 |
| notmyname | (all agenda items have been brought up, but I don't want to cut off the packaging discussion before our time is up) | 21:53 |
| onovy | deduplication :] | 21:53 |
| onovy | notmyname: clayg: let's continue in -swift? | 21:54 |
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| timburke | joeljwright: for some reason i had it in my head that you'd done similar things... | 21:54 |
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| joeljwright | I have abused the content type in middlewares, but nothing I'd suggest in public :) | 21:55 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:55 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: to echo timburke, yeah you're name came up when we were talking about how to (if to) expose symlinks in listings. we'd love your input | 21:55 |
| notmyname | ok, I think that's it | 21:56 |
| notmyname | thanks, everyone, for coming and participating. thank you for working on swift | 21:56 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:56 |
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