Thursday, 2017-01-12

ekcshi ramineni_ !00:00
ekcshi everyone. hope all is well!00:00
ekcsthinrichs won’t be here today due to travels.00:01
ekcsjust a couple items from me today.00:01
ekcsPike PTL00:01
ekcsOcata-3 patches00:01
ekcsOcata-3 QA00:01
ekcsanything else?00:01
aimeeusounds good00:02
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ekcsok then let’s dive right ahead.00:02
ekcs#topic Pike PTL00:02
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ekcsQuick item:00:03
ekcsPike PTL nomination week is Jan 23. Feel free to talk to thinrichs or I if you have any questions about that.00:03
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ekcsmoving on then.00:04
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ekcs#topic Ocata-3 patches00:04
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ekcsAny patches to discuss for Ocata-3?00:04
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ekcsoh and good work everyone for getting ocata-3 patches in!00:05
ekcsHere are some patches that seem ready to merge. any thoughts on them?00:06
masahitosorry, slow responses for some patches. I'll check it in today.00:07
ekcsnp masahito00:07
ekcsFor reference, here is the list of open patches on congress:
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ramineni_ekcs: I'll also check today ..00:09
ramineni_ekcs: ocata 3 is Jan 23 right00:09
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ramineni_I want to complete one more patch also for ocata00:11
ekcsramineni_: yes. jan 23. but since the time between ocata-3 and RC1 is so short (and also because many things become hard to change after O3), we’re aiming to merge everything by Jan 16 to have a full week of testing and fixing.00:11
ekcsbased on lessons learnt from last cycle’s madness at the end.00:11
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ramineni_Ok ..00:12
ekcsit’s not set in stone of course. let’s talk more about it either here or later if we need to adjust  = )00:14
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ramineni_Sure .. Thanks00:14
ekcsone patch I want to bring up. #link
ekcsI haven’t been following closely, but is this something we can discuss and reach consensus on ramineni_ and masahito ?00:16
masahitoMy comment on this patch is a question.00:17
ramineni_Couldn't get time to look into how to do it ..I think if heartbeat has subscription info I can use to list all subscribers right00:19
masahitoIt seems to work well if Congress is deployed in one node.00:19
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ramineni_Yes ... I'll look into how to implement masahito comment00:20
ramineni_I'll update the patch this week00:20
ekcsok. I’ll take a look too.00:21
ekcsok let’s move on then if there’s nothing else to discuss here.00:22
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ekcs#action review open patches for Ocata-3 aiming to merge by Jan 1600:23
ekcs#topic Ocata-3 QA00:23
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ekcsLike we’ve discussed, we’d like to do more testing on Ocata-3 than last cycle, both because it’s a very short time between O3 and RC1, and because we want to avoid repeating all the difficulty we had in fixing late breaking bugs late in the cycle.00:25
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ekcsTo help us on that front, I setup some QA tasks here:
ekcsThe idea is to start manually and aim to automate as much as possible based on the manual work.00:27
ekcsIt’ll help us have a much more rigorous testing process for future releases.00:28
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ekcsso feel free to sign up for tasks. (the time frame for these tasks is between Jan 16 and Jan 23).00:29
ekcsmasahito: I remember you mentioning another QA task we should do, but I forgot what it was.00:29
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ekcspulling up notes from last meeting.00:29
masahitoekcs: it's about fail over of datasource service00:30
masahitoekcs: Should I report it as bug report to track the status?00:31
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ekcssure go for it. thanks! and please tag it with qa so we can easily find it.00:32
masahitogot it.00:32
ekcsoh and thanks aimeeu for volunteering for the standalone install task!00:32
aimeeuyou're welcome. I should be committing a script early next week.00:32
ekcsthanks aimeeu00:33
aimeeufor single-node install at least00:33
ekcsany questions or comments or thoughts around QA for ocata?00:33
ramineni_aimeeu: and dashboard part ..Are we targeting for ocata?00:33
aimeeuI thought ekcs was concerned about time to test so I am targeting Pike00:34
ekcsyou mean moving to a new repo?00:34
aimeeu yes00:34
ramineni_aimeeu: oohok00:34
aimeeumy workload in OPNFV is pretty heavy right now so limited time00:35
ekcsso my thinking was if we can create the new repo without disturbing the current way it works, then we can try to do it for O if there is time.00:35
aimeeucreating the repo and replicating code I think is the easiest part00:36
ekcsthat way it’s available, but the old one is also available so we don’t need to thoroughly test the new one.00:36
aimeeumaking sure both projects deploy correctly and dashboard is registered with Horizon is more time consuming00:36
ekcsand if so, the new repo and progress at basically any schedule we find convenient without us depending on it to be ready at any particular time.00:36
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aimeeuI agree. I keep thinking of more deployment scenarios that would need to be tested00:37
ekcsso my main concern is keeping the existing thing working in the mean time.00:37
aimeeuekcs: +100:37
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ramineni_ ekcs : if we split the repo .. we have to do all the release work by Jan end for the new repo too?00:38
ekcsramineni_: I’m not sure. My guess would be we can start the new repo without being forced to include it in the release right away.00:39
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aimeeuekcs: yes00:40
ramineni_ekcs : ok ..Then should be fine00:40
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ekcsone more thing on Ocata. please go ahead and target things for Ocata in launchpad for the things you want in ocata. that way we can all get a big picture of what is left to be done. very helpful in planning.00:41
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ekcsand feel free to ask me to make those changes for those who don’t have permissions on launchpad.00:41
ekcsok then. let’s move on to open discussion.00:42
ekcs#topic open discussion00:42
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ekcsI reported a couple bugs on postgres deployment. #link
ekcsboth seem to boil down to a mysterious 401 error when contacting datasource. I’m going to look into it some more, but throwing it out here too to see if someone happens to have a clue.00:45
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masahitoekcs: do you know how to deploy openstack with mysql? I've not tried it.00:47
ekcsmasahito: you mean using devstack or not?00:48
masahitousing devstack.00:48
ekcsby default devstack uses mysql.00:48
masahitooops, sorry. s/mysql/postgresql/00:48
ekcsto change to postgres you add the following to local.conf00:49
ekcsdisable_service mysql00:49
ekcsenable_service postgresql00:49
ekcsbefore stacking.00:49
masahitogood to know. thanks!00:49
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ekcsok if there’s nothing more to discuss, shall we end early?00:51
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ekcsI’ll wait a couple minutes = )00:51
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ekcsok have a great rest of the week, and see you all later!00:52
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jftaltaHi !07:14
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jftaltaHello !07:16
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ianychoieumel8, sorry!07:20
eumel8just moved back to work ;)07:21
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ianychoijftalta, hi and sorry07:21
ianychoi#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting07:22
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 12 07:22:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at
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jftaltaiany hoi,hi07:22
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eumel8hi, ianychoi, jftalta, katomo07:22
jftaltahi eumel807:22
ianychoiSorry for starting I18n meeting late.07:22
jftaltaneither for me07:23
ianychoi#review Review on last meeting actions07:24
ianychoi#topic Review on last meeting actions07:24
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ianychoieumel8, I have heard from clarkb that there is no database backup procedure in infra but we can improve puppet script to enable backup07:25
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eumel8ianychoi: that was also my impression07:26
ianychoijftalta, sorry for my patch for revising French page with theme. I will do it today :)07:26
jftaltaok :)07:26
jftaltaI'm overloaded to ;)07:27
eumel8I think, Class: zanata::mysql is the right place to implement a backup solution07:27
eumel8is there any disc space attached? that would be  the next question :)07:27
ianychoiI see. Hmm, I do not know how infra server specs (e.g., CPU size, memory size, number of disks, ...) are specified and changed07:28
ianychoiI have completed all the tests and the one problem I have found is.. Zanata with Xenial (Java 8) needs more memory07:29
jftaltawith mysqldump ?07:29
eumel8there is a class mysql::backup. I think it's with mysqldump07:30
ianychoiI replied this e-mail to aeng and clarkb . I think I need to ask them again with such specs07:30
ianychoieumel8, then, we might need to download the backups if needed?07:31
eumel8some option07:31
ianychoifor anyone? or just admins would be sufficient?07:31
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eumel8ianychoi: which target? I think there is no archive service in openstack infra or something like that07:32
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ianychoiMaybe this?07:32
jftaltamy connection is pretty bad, sorry07:33
eumel8I think there are confidential data in the backup07:33
ianychoiOkay... I see :)07:34
eumel8but doing the backup is the first step07:34
jftaltaconfidential data ?07:35
ianychoijftalta, might be... some openstackid tokens?07:35
ianychoiI am not sure..07:35
eumel8it's to investigate07:36
eumel8maybe we get access to the test server07:36
ianychoiYep.. good action items :)07:36
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ianychoieumel8, then could you help improve puppet scripts?07:37
eumel8i can write a backup solution, yes07:37
ianychoiyep good :)07:38
ianychoiAnd.. one thing: smarcet, who is a developer for openstackid wants to test newer version of openstackid-dev with translate-dev07:38
jftaltaeumel8: great, thx !07:39
ianychoiSince more things need to do, I think temporally change from openstackid to openstackid-dev for a week would be needed07:39
ianychoiAt that time, we will not log on to translate-dev07:39
ianychoiWould it be fine to all?07:39
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eumel8yes, ok07:40
ianychoi translate-dev has two purposes: test with infra and also test with users :)07:40
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ianychoi#action ianychoi will ask to clarkb for temporal change to openstackid-dev and also changing server specs (memory size, disk) with root access for translate-dev07:41
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ianychoi#topic Discussing core reviewers with language teams07:43
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ianychoiadiantum, are you online now? :)07:43
adiantumianychoi, yes, i'm here07:44
jftaltaadiantum: hi07:44
eumel8adiantum: hi07:44
adiantumhi all!07:45
ianychoiadiantum, wow good :) Now i18n IRC meeting is online :)07:45
adiantumgreat! =)07:45
ianychoiActually this topic is for how we make more discussions with core reviewers and also language teams07:45
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ianychoiIn my opinion, active language teams propose core reviewers.07:46
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adiantumianychoi, in my opinion, great idea.07:47
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ianychoiAnd... I would like to change some sort of a form of i18n team governance... It means that doc team has specialty teams.07:49
ianychoiI always appreciate such report from Docs, and I think we can start to publish similar reports if language teams give feedback to me :)07:50
jftaltaI see. Another good idea :)07:51
eumel8good idea07:51
adiantumyep, good idea07:51
adiantumhow offten will we make this kind of reports?07:51
ianychoiThanks all for kind agreements.07:51
ianychoiadiantum, good question: I have thought  once a month07:52
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adiantumianychoi, great!07:52
eumel8weekly would be better in hot phases07:53
jftaltaone a month is enough, actually. +107:54
ianychoieumel8, I have thought once a month since 1) Docs team shared it previously once a week but changed to bi-weekly and 2) I want local translators communicate more at least once a month and I would like to reflect their discussions and thoughts07:55
eumel8in normal phases yes, but I think in the weeks before releases are more activities to report07:55
ianychoiFor local translators and/or coordinators, once a week would be a pressure..07:55
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eumel8ianychoi: yes :)07:55
ianychoieumel8, aha that's good idea. Then I think a kind of release manager for especially between Soft to Hard StringFreze would be needed07:56
eumel8evil, I know, I'm currently not a coordinator ;)07:56
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adiantumeumel8, more activities, but more work and less time to report =)07:57
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adiantumeumel8, but anyway good idea =) may be biweekly will be fine?07:58
ianychoiHmm... are you interested in being a release manager for Ocata cycle: eumel8 jftalta and adiantum ?07:58
eumel8I think Zanata has some options for coordinator role for reports07:58
ianychoiSimilar to release manager, I18n team might needs StringFreeze managers :)07:59
ianychoieumel8, oh really? Zanata support such functionality?07:59
eumel8so much work ... have to think about it.07:59
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eumel8meeting time is over07:59
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ianychoiYep.. could you all move to #openstack-i18n channel if it is fine?08:00
ianychoiThank you all: eumel8 jftalta and adiantum !08:00
adiantumianychoi: yep08:00
adiantumianychoi: thank you!08:00
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gmann#startmeeting qa09:01
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gmannhi Who all here today?09:01
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dmelladogmann: o/09:03
gmanndmellado: hi09:03
gmannandreaf:  mkoderer___ ping if around09:04
gmanndmellado:  let's wait for few min for more people09:04
dmelladogmann: sure09:04
gmannseems like we 2 today09:04
dmelladogmann: hmm, then maybe we can just skip today's meeting09:05
dmelladoI don't have that many in my agenda, just added the cross-project session propsal to the PTG etherpad09:05
* andreaf lurks in09:06
dmelladohey andreaf09:06
andreafgmann: I'm only half here, caring for my son atm09:06
gmannandreaf: hi, i see09:06
andreafdmellado: hi09:06
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andreafI thought it was going to be an 17 UTC meeting today09:07
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gmannandreaf: actually there was confusion over time in wifi, i updated09:07
andreafah I see09:07
andreafthat may explain why not many are here :D09:08
gmannanyways let's start and finish early09:08
gmannoomichi: fault as he did update 900UTC in last one :P09:08
dmelladoouch, yep that could be it, heh09:09
gmann^^ today agenda09:09
gmann#topic PTG09:09
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gmannso we have many ideas there and keep putting more09:10
gmannmain idea will be to keep ready with spec etc if there is any and we can do real progress in PTG with design discussion + coding09:10
gmannI will jump to Tempest if nothing on spec etc(all specs are with same state seems)09:11
dmelladoyep, sounds fine for me09:11
gmann#topic Tempest09:12
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gmann1. Glance-related tempest patch09:12
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gmannrosmaita in case you around09:12
gmannactually this is something in hot discussion in ML and api-wg meeting etc09:12
gmannfor me it is backward incompatible change and tests should not be updated09:13
gmannbut you all can provide your opinion on this09:13
gmannif nothing to discuss on this i would like to jump to bugs09:15
gmann2. Bug Triage09:15
gmannit was my turn this week and did some bugs clean up09:16
gmannnew bugs are 009:16
gmann1 bug i noticed is about usage of test.idempotent_id09:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1616913 in tempest "Tempest lib check-uuid enforces use of private tempest methods" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Kiall Mac Innes (kiall)09:17
gmannall should use tempest.lib.decorators.idempotent_id instead of test.idempotent_id09:17
gmannwhich is something we kept for migration and there are patches also for tempest changes09:17
gmannbut seems like there are lot of plugin use the same and we need to fix them all before tempest remove test.idempotent_id09:18
gmannandreaf:  i suppose we can fix plugins for that and remove it from tempest as it is in unstable interface09:19
andreafgmann: sure one of the many...09:19
gmannyea, i will see tomorrow how much effort it need(may be some script can do :))09:20
gmannand next week bug triage is dmellado you09:21
dmelladogmann: ack09:21
dmelladoI'll take care09:21
gmanndmellado: thanks09:21
gmannwe are really in good shape on bugs due to triage rotation09:22
gmannlet's jump to open09:22
gmann#topic Open Discussion09:22
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gmanndo we have anything specific to discuss or we can close the meeting09:23
andreafperhaps it would be good to have an owner in here09:23
andreaffor each of the topics09:24
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andreafand a link to a dedicated etherpad09:24
gmannandreaf:  ahh, nice point09:24
andreaflike we usually have at the design summit09:24
gmannyea, we should add09:24
dmelladogmann: andreaf yeah09:25
dmelladoI can add myself as the owner for the crossprojects09:25
gmann#action oomichi to ask everyone to add owner on ptg etherpad09:25
dmelladoalthought I'd love seeing oomichi and mtreinish there too09:25
gmanni will add on mine09:25
gmannanything else to discuss09:26
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gmannok let's close. Thanks andreaf dmellado09:28
andreafthank you09:28
dmelladothanks gmann09:28
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bauzasmriedem: nova meeting ?14:02
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johnthetubaguyyeah, I was just wondering about that too14:03
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* edleafe paces back and forth, waiting...14:06
mriedemoh boy14:06
mriedemyou guys need to run it14:06
mriedemthe agenda is updated14:06
bauzas#startmeeting nova14:06
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bauzas#chair johnthetubaguy mriedem14:07
openstackCurrent chairs: bauzas johnthetubaguy mriedem14:07
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bauzascool, let's begin14:07
bauzas#topic Release News14:08
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bauzas#info Jan 19: final non-client library release (oslo)14:08
* cdent is incapable of using a calendar14:08
bauzas #info Jan 26: o-3 milestone, final python-novaclient release, FeatureFreeze, Soft StringFreeze14:08
bauzaswhich means 2 weeks from now14:08
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bauzasso in case you don't have patches uploaded, don't wait for us reviewing14:08
bauzaswhich goes to...14:08
bauzas#link Ocata blueprints
bauzas #info 70 total blueprints, 22 implemented, 3 not started, 31 need code review14:09
bauzas #link Details on remaining blueprints:
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bauzaswe had a good sprint day yesterday with 5 BPs implemented14:09
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bauzascongrats to those who helped nova14:09
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bauzasin case you're working on a BP, I urge you to make sure there is no merge conflict and Jenkins is happy with your changes14:10
bauzasany questions about the above ?14:11
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bauzasjust remember that the FeatureFreeze will be in two weeks14:11
johnthetubaguylooks like a good summary14:11
johnthetubaguyI guess we keep using that etherpad as we burn down?14:11
bauzasyup, we should14:11
bauzasin case folks think the etherpad is not looking good for their BPs, please update it14:12
bauzaswith details14:12
bauzasmoving on14:12
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bauzas#topic Bugs14:12
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bauzasI haven't hard of recent criticals14:12
bauzasand the gate... well14:13
bauzas #link check queue gate status
bauzaswe had recent non-voting jobs that were unhappy14:13
bauzasat least the py35 job and the placement one14:13
bauzasbut well, nothing really blocking us AFAIK14:14
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johnthetubaguythe placement one, is that the only job running placement right now? I lost track :(14:14
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: not really14:15
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: we merged some devstack change that added the placement service by default14:15
johnthetubaguyI thought that, whats different about the placement job now?14:15
mriedemplacement is on by default in ocata14:15
mriedemthe newton job was busted14:15
mriedembut that's fixed now14:15
johnthetubaguyah, that makse sense14:16
bauzashence why it's a different job14:16
bauzasmriedem:  Overall Categorization Rate: 20.2%14:16
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bauzasmriedem: do you need any help ?14:16
bauzasfor categorizing more ?14:16
bauzasor are those like new problems ?14:16
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mriedembauzas: wrong page14:17
mriedemover 60%14:17
mriedemwhich is fine14:17
bauzasoh my internet is sooooo terrible14:17
bauzasI'm lagging a while14:17
bauzasso I clicked on the wrong tab14:17
bauzasmoving on then14:17
bauzas #link 3rd party CI status
bauzasI haven't seen problems recently14:18
bauzasbut do folks agree with ^14:18
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bauzasI take the silence as a green14:19
bauzas#topic Reminders14:19
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bauzas #link Ocata review priorities
bauzasfolks can amend their sections to point changes they want to be reviewed here ^14:19
bauzasnow, the question I have is :14:19
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bauzasshould we keep that for the next 2 weeks or focus on ?14:20
bauzasthat sounds a bit duplicating info14:20
bauzaspersonnally, I try to look at the latter14:20
johnthetubaguyyeah, I was thinking that too14:20
johnthetubaguyI added a note at the top of the etherpad14:20
johnthetubaguyI mean if you run out of the feature freeze pad, sure...14:21
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bauzashonestly, I think we should focus on blueprints for the next 10 working days :)14:21
bauzasthat priorities etherpad is also good for commenting bugs14:21
johnthetubaguyjust need to make sure everyone updates the new one, thats all14:22
bauzasbut I tend to prefer seeing what's really important for the project in the feature-freeze etherpad14:22
bauzasconsensus ?14:22
bauzasmriedem: $14:22
bauzasmriedem: ^14:22
mriedemdoesn't matter much to me,14:22
mriedemi created the feature freeze etherpad for my own tracking14:22
mriedembut happy to have people using it14:22
bauzasmriedem: okay, I just want to know where people can put things to review in order to get traction, that's it14:23
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bauzasmriedem: I don't honestly have an opinion between both that said14:23
bauzaslet's not overthink that14:24
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bauzaslet's keep the existing track14:25
bauzasand use the priorities etherpad14:25
bauzas#topic Stable branches status14:25
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bauzasI'm glad to see that the placement job is now back green in stable/newton14:26
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bauzasmriedem: thanks for that14:26
mriedemi'm backporting several placement related fixes to newton14:26
mriedemto fix ironic reporting in newton14:27
mriedemthen will probably do a release after that series is in14:27
bauzaswe also have some change related to placement that should be proposed against stable/newton14:27
bauzasthe one avoiding to try-once calling the placement service14:27
mriedemi already have that up14:28
mriedemanyway, i've got to run, be back later14:28
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bauzas#info stable/newton:,n,z14:28
bauzas#info  stable/mitaka:,n,z14:28
bauzasstable/newton would require some pass14:28
bauzasI'll try to help here14:29
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bauzasI don't know when matt is planning a point release14:29
bauzasfor newton14:29
bauzaslyarwood: do you know that ?14:29
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bauzasideally, I'd like to see a point release including
bauzasas it would help operators to have a nice upgrade path for ocata14:30
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bauzasin case they haven't run the placement service in newton yet14:30
bauzas(because it's optional)14:31
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bauzasother thoughts on stable ?14:31
bauzasokay, tic-tac14:31
bauzas#topic Subteam highlights14:32
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bauzasedleafe: the floor is yours14:32
edleafeDiscussed placement client. Decided that while needed, it was premature to spend time on it now. Definitely Pike, though.14:32
edleafeTalked about whether 'can_host' is needed, but since jaypipes wasn't present and is the one who has expressed a need for it, tabled that until next week.14:32
edleafeDetermined the need for a set of tests for the more complex cases, such as shared resources that require digging into the aggregate relationships. None of us are confident that the code as is can properly handle that yet. I agreed to start working on a test that should fail now, but pass when aggs are properly supported.14:32
edleafeThere were several other efforts discussed that seem to be on track.14:32
edleafeThat's it14:32
bauzascool, great summary14:32
bauzasyou prepared it ?14:32
bauzasedleafe: <314:33
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bauzasdansmith: you around ?14:33
bauzasdansmith: about the cellsv2 meeting held yesterday14:33
bauzasI was there but I was just laying at the corner14:33
* cdent needs to run; waves14:34
bauzascdent: \o14:34
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bauzasokay, about the cellsv2 meeting, let's try to summarize14:34
bauzasthoughts on integrating cellsv2 with cellsv1, which is busted AFAIK14:34
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bauzasa few open reviews14:35
bauzasand the decision to focus on merging the quota changes before the FeatureFreeze14:35
bauzasdetails can be shown in the priorities etherpad14:36
bauzasoh, and next week's meeting is cancelled due to the host being on PTO :)14:36
bauzasmoving on14:36
johnthetubaguyI keep meaning to hit those, just not got to the bottom of my TOOD list :(14:36
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: yeah, your insights would be appreciated for the quota changes14:37
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bauzasI'm pretty sure it's old greek to me14:37
bauzas(the quota stuff)14:37
bauzasbut I can try to sneak peek it14:37
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bauzasso, the live-migration subteam held no meeting this week14:37
bauzasAPI subteam, alex_xu, sdague?14:38
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bauzasI wasn't there but I can read logs :)14:39
bauzasmostly discussion on
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: I saw you were discussing on it this EU morning with alex_xu right?14:40
johnthetubaguyyeah, I was at the meeting, let me summarize a bit14:40
johnthetubaguybasically focusing on the validation of filters passed into list servers14:40
johnthetubaguywe have a way to validate the good things14:40
johnthetubaguyand ignore some of the bad14:40
johnthetubaguycurrently looking at rejecting the really bad with 400 errors14:40
johnthetubaguywithout the code looking a total mess14:41
johnthetubaguynot totally getting to there yet14:41
johnthetubaguybut close ish14:41
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johnthetubaguythats all really14:41
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: okay, does that mean a new iteration of ?14:41
bauzasAFAICT, it's an ocata prio, righT?14:41
bauzasso I'd love to review it as soon as it is ready14:42
johnthetubaguyit is a priority14:42
johnthetubaguybeen working hard on it for several weeks14:42
johnthetubaguyjust struggling to reach consensus on the direction14:42
johnthetubaguycode is all up for review, if folks have a preference14:42
bauzasanyway, will ping you after this meetingh14:43
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bauzasmoving on14:43
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bauzasmoshele isn't there14:43
bauzaslbeliveau neither14:43
bauzasso I can't talk for the SRIOV meeting14:43
bauzasgibi: I'm unsure, do you folks had meeting ?14:44
gibibauzas: we had14:44
bauzasgibi: nice, take the mic14:44
gibiin short14:44
gibithe flavor notification has been completed yesterday14:44
gibijust some follow up refactor patch remains14:44
bauzasyeah I remember some thoughts14:45
bauzasdo you folks have other things to review before FF ?14:45
gibithe json schema work is still suffers for ovo dependencies14:45
gibiso that will spill over14:45
gibito Pike14:45
gibiI suggest looking at the searchlight bp14:45
bauzasI saw some nova command for priting the notification schema14:45
bauzasis that deferred to Pike as well ?14:45
gibibauzas: jest the json schema printing has little chance due to ovo dependency14:46
bauzasgibi: k14:46
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bauzasgibi: thanks14:46
gibiand if time allows there is a lot of transformation patch up for review14:46
bauzas#topic PTG planning14:46
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bauzasmatt made an etherpad for putting thoughts to discuss during the PTG14:47
bauzas #link Pike PTG planning:
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bauzasAFAICU, the PTG schedule for nova will mostly be meetup style with no scheduled sessions14:47
bauzaswe'll just consume the etherpad, priority after priority14:48
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bauzasand friday being like our regular friday contributors meetup14:48
bauzaswe have a bit more of 10 mins lefy14:49
bauzasany questions about the PTG ?14:49
bauzasjust keep in mind that mon-tues will be cross-project14:49
bauzasand wed-fri being allocated to nova14:50
johnthetubaguyI think its cross project teams14:50
bauzasyeah, there are a number of identified teams14:50
johnthetubaguylike architecture has a full day, SWG has a full day, Infra, etc14:50
bauzasyup, we can see them in
johnthetubaguyyeah, just saying its not like the old one14:51
bauzassorry for being unclear14:51
bauzas#topic stuck reviews14:51
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bauzasI haven't seen any controversial change that was requiring some help here14:52
bauzasand the agenda is free from thaty14:52
bauzasmoving on14:52
bauzas#topic open discussion14:52
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bauzasnothing in the agenda too14:52
bauzasso, given I have nothing to say here, should we just consider saving 7 mins of our time ?14:53
bauzasmy coffee machine has to be refueled14:54
bauzasso thanks folks for letting me doing that14:54
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dasmarmax: meeting?22:00
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armax#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:00
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armaxI almost forgot what it means to run a neutron drivers meeting22:01
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armaxkevinbenton, amotoki ping22:02
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armaxno it’s me22:05
armaxI am being distracted22:05
armaxI have a relatively lax agenda22:06
armaxfirst I wanted to touch base on outstanding specs22:06
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ihrachysarmax: what's DOA?22:08
armaxiptables-based security-groups with OVS22:08
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armaxit’s a huge debt22:09
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ihrachysoh you mean we should encourage to work on ovs firewall for ovs case22:09
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ihrachysgood, I read it as if you suggested it's ovs firewall that is DOA22:09
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armaxI have not seen the code and I would expect that they logger should work irrespective of LB vs OVS22:10
armaxbut I personally don’t think we should even expose this on OVS if they are targeting iptables22:10
armaxit could potentially give us yet another migration issue later on22:11
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amotokiyour concern is that the implementation can be tightly coupled with iptables. right?22:12
armaxamotoki: yes22:13
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amotokireasonable concern.22:14
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armaxso I think this one has to spin again22:15
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ihrachysarmax: so, reading your comments, you expect that driver will report back if the extension is not supported by it. which opens a question of what to do in multi driver setup. (we had similar problem in qos, and I don't think we actually tackled it)22:15
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-amotoki- am thinking what we can suggest as the next step22:16
armaxihrachys: that’s a good point22:16
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armaxI suppose we can have a security group serving VMs connected via different ML2 drivers22:16
armaxand it’s a mess22:17
armaxis it not?22:17
armaxso this means that the information being collected is potentially partial?22:17
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armaxthis is a can of worms ready to blow up into everyone’s face22:18
armaxwhich is a bit gross22:18
ihrachysI actually think from API standpoint, we should try to avoid asking backends for permission. just allow the operation and allow drivers to fail delivering. but I am open for an elegant way to do it in a smarter way.22:18
armaxI wonder if this spec is ever gonna get implemented22:18
armaxamuller was actually advocating for the opposite22:19
ihrachysyeah I know22:19
ihrachyshe is not supposed to maintain the code anymore22:20
armaxbottom line there are still open questions22:20
armaxon this one22:20
armaxI don’t think the spec as is is ready to merge22:20
armaxas for22:21
armaxI sent it to spec heaven22:21
ihrachysamen, it totally makes sense. not sure why we even needed a spec.22:21
armaxihrachys: agreed22:21
armaxthen there was22:21
armax#link v22:21
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #link v22:21
armaxI haven’t had a pass at it, yet22:22
armaxbut I’ll do after this meeting22:22
armaxthe work for both these specs will most certainly spill over Pike22:22
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armaxthen there was22:23
ihrachysI will read through the spec for flow management tomorrow. I hope it's ok to wait till then.22:23
armaxit had a +2 from kevin at one point22:23
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armaxthat one is also on my radar22:23
armaxof the list of open specs I don’t think there’s anything else we can squash22:23
armaxyou folks spot anything I am missing?22:23
ihrachysre port status one, I have my reservations on it. I still believe we try to solve a particular configuration while we already provide all the bits to cover the use case.22:24
armaxihrachys: elaborate, pls22:24
ihrachysarmax: two points. first, it seems like we use neutron as a mere storage/proxy for signaling between other components.22:25
ihrachyswhich could be avoided if those components talk to each other22:25
armaxihrachys: it’s neutron as a fancy datastore22:25
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ihrachyssecond, we already have tags for such use cases, where external consumers want to attach info to resources22:25
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ihrachysarmax: it's neutron as a fancy datastore, and another extension on our plate. I prefer not if possible.22:26
armaxihrachys: tags introduce potential incompatibility22:26
armaxit was brought up during the spec review22:26
armaxas for the fancy datastare comment22:26
armaxI agree with you22:26
ihrachysarmax: I bet there will be a request two cycles down the line to expand possible values for the status field. ask me then about compatibility.22:26
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armaxthe datastore gives you the port UUID mapping though22:27
armaxI mean the status is associated to the life cycle of the port22:27
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ihrachyswhat was the exact problem with tags btw? I could have missed that one.22:27
armaxfirst off, we have no tags for ports22:27
armaxbut that’s a technicality22:27
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armaxbut second of all, it’s like one system may say ‘status = DEAD’ another may say ‘state = DOWN’22:28
armaxand boom22:28
armaxwith tags there’s no way of defining which one is correct unless you define an ontology22:29
ihrachysso you say that neutron is a fancy data store AND schema validator22:29
armaxihrachys: ah22:29
armaxihrachys: I suppose that’s one to characterize the whole thing22:30
ihrachysI choose vitrage handling that complexity instead of us, any day22:30
ihrachysthe schema (validation) is itself fluid I believe, and will eventually require expansion. I don't want to get there.22:31
ihrachysas I said in the review, I am not too negative to put -1, I am just sayin'22:31
armaxihrachys: I am also not strongly opinionated on this one22:32
armaxihrachys: the extra attribute on the port resource is the low-hanging fruit so to speak22:32
armaxbut it’s not free either22:32
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armaxihrachys: if nothing else, it’s informational22:33
armaxand that does not hurt22:33
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armaxif there’s a system around neutron that says ‘hey, this port’s data plane is indeed busted’, anyone consuming the neutron API is gonna see that22:34
amotokiit is a tradeoff. who validates a value and who provides information. if neutron provides an attr like this, external systems assumes it. if not, who can define a common interface?22:34
ihrachysarmax: they could as easily use API of that other system to get the info.22:34
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armaxihrachys: is it though?22:35
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armaxneutron’s API is kick ass :)22:35
armaxthe other system needs to be in sync22:35
ihrachysarmax: you mean, have I actually checked vitrage to see if it's exposed there? no I didn't. that was more of a theoretical suggestion.22:35
armaxand it may need to go back to neutron anyway22:35
armaxI admit my ignorance in saying that I never looked at vitrage22:36
ihrachysnow we are two22:36
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ihrachysmy point is, they build something very specific for very specific use case, and so it's not required to give them complete solution, building blocks should be enough.22:37
armaxthey you mean who?22:37
ihrachysanyhoo, I think we spent too much time on that. if there are resources and support from other members, let's do it.22:38
ihrachysarmax: they == vitrage22:38
ihrachysor whoever drives that22:38
ihrachyserror detectors/orchestrators22:38
armaxI think this one, as much as odd as it can be it’s many order of magnitudes less controversial than the security-logging API22:39
armaxnot that the comparison can help anything22:39
armaxthe other one I have on my radar is22:40
armaxwe need to close this one by end of Ocata22:40
ihrachysthat one is almost ready from my perspective22:40
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ihrachysthere are some small nits that may even not be worth a fix (can be left for implementation)22:40
armaxI have been meaning to go back and review it22:40
armaxfor a while22:41
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armaxany other spec worth talking about now?22:41
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armaxit looks like we’re good spec-wise for this week22:42
armaxin terms of RFEs22:43
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armaxwe have a long list of confirmed RFEs22:43
armaxand a few others22:43
armaxwe need to squash these lists22:44
armaxbut we can never do in the 15 minutes left here22:44
armaxshall we call this short and take the time to go over the RFE lists offline?22:46
armaxok then22:46
armaxanything else from anyone else?22:46
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armaxhave a great rest of your day everyone22:46
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