| ramineni_ | Hi | 00:00 |
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| ekcs | hi ramineni_ ! | 00:00 |
| masahito | hi | 00:00 |
| ekcs | hi everyone. hope all is well! | 00:00 |
| ekcs | thinrichs won’t be here today due to travels. | 00:01 |
| ekcs | just a couple items from me today. | 00:01 |
| ekcs | Pike PTL | 00:01 |
| ekcs | Ocata-3 patches | 00:01 |
| ekcs | Ocata-3 QA | 00:01 |
| ekcs | anything else? | 00:01 |
| aimeeu | sounds good | 00:02 |
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| ekcs | ok then let’s dive right ahead. | 00:02 |
| ekcs | #topic Pike PTL | 00:02 |
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| ekcs | Quick item: | 00:03 |
| ekcs | Pike PTL nomination week is Jan 23. Feel free to talk to thinrichs or I if you have any questions about that. | 00:03 |
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| ekcs | moving on then. | 00:04 |
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| ekcs | #topic Ocata-3 patches | 00:04 |
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| ekcs | Any patches to discuss for Ocata-3? | 00:04 |
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| ekcs | oh and good work everyone for getting ocata-3 patches in! | 00:05 |
| ekcs | Here are some patches that seem ready to merge. any thoughts on them? | 00:06 |
| ekcs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401960/ | 00:06 |
| ekcs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399124/ | 00:06 |
| ekcs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404478/ | 00:07 |
| masahito | sorry, slow responses for some patches. I'll check it in today. | 00:07 |
| ekcs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416814/ | 00:07 |
| ekcs | np masahito | 00:07 |
| ekcs | For reference, here is the list of open patches on congress: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/congress+status:open | 00:08 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: I'll also check today .. | 00:09 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: ocata 3 is Jan 23 right | 00:09 |
| ekcs | awesome. | 00:09 |
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| ramineni_ | I want to complete one more patch also for ocata | 00:11 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: yes. jan 23. but since the time between ocata-3 and RC1 is so short (and also because many things become hard to change after O3), we’re aiming to merge everything by Jan 16 to have a full week of testing and fixing. | 00:11 |
| ekcs | based on lessons learnt from last cycle’s madness at the end. | 00:11 |
| ramineni_ | hmm | 00:11 |
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| ramineni_ | Ok .. | 00:12 |
| ekcs | it’s not set in stone of course. let’s talk more about it either here or later if we need to adjust = ) | 00:14 |
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| ramineni_ | Sure .. Thanks | 00:14 |
| ekcs | one patch I want to bring up. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410705/ | 00:14 |
| ekcs | I haven’t been following closely, but is this something we can discuss and reach consensus on ramineni_ and masahito ? | 00:16 |
| masahito | My comment on this patch is a question. | 00:17 |
| ramineni_ | Couldn't get time to look into how to do it ..I think if heartbeat has subscription info I can use to list all subscribers right | 00:19 |
| masahito | It seems to work well if Congress is deployed in one node. | 00:19 |
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| ramineni_ | Yes ... I'll look into how to implement masahito comment | 00:20 |
| ramineni_ | I'll update the patch this week | 00:20 |
| ekcs | ok. I’ll take a look too. | 00:21 |
| ekcs | ok let’s move on then if there’s nothing else to discuss here. | 00:22 |
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| ekcs | #action review open patches for Ocata-3 aiming to merge by Jan 16 | 00:23 |
| ekcs | #topic Ocata-3 QA | 00:23 |
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| ekcs | Like we’ve discussed, we’d like to do more testing on Ocata-3 than last cycle, both because it’s a very short time between O3 and RC1, and because we want to avoid repeating all the difficulty we had in fixing late breaking bugs late in the cycle. | 00:25 |
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| ekcs | To help us on that front, I setup some QA tasks here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bugs?field.tag=qa | 00:26 |
| ekcs | The idea is to start manually and aim to automate as much as possible based on the manual work. | 00:27 |
| ekcs | It’ll help us have a much more rigorous testing process for future releases. | 00:28 |
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| ekcs | so feel free to sign up for tasks. (the time frame for these tasks is between Jan 16 and Jan 23). | 00:29 |
| ekcs | masahito: I remember you mentioning another QA task we should do, but I forgot what it was. | 00:29 |
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| ekcs | pulling up notes from last meeting. | 00:29 |
| masahito | ekcs: it's about fail over of datasource service | 00:30 |
| masahito | ekcs: Should I report it as bug report to track the status? | 00:31 |
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| ekcs | sure go for it. thanks! and please tag it with qa so we can easily find it. | 00:32 |
| masahito | got it. | 00:32 |
| ekcs | oh and thanks aimeeu for volunteering for the standalone install task! | 00:32 |
| aimeeu | you're welcome. I should be committing a script early next week. | 00:32 |
| ekcs | thanks aimeeu | 00:33 |
| aimeeu | for single-node install at least | 00:33 |
| ekcs | any questions or comments or thoughts around QA for ocata? | 00:33 |
| ramineni_ | aimeeu: and dashboard part ..Are we targeting for ocata? | 00:33 |
| aimeeu | I thought ekcs was concerned about time to test so I am targeting Pike | 00:34 |
| ekcs | you mean moving to a new repo? | 00:34 |
| aimeeu | yes | 00:34 |
| ramineni_ | aimeeu: oohok | 00:34 |
| aimeeu | my workload in OPNFV is pretty heavy right now so limited time | 00:35 |
| ekcs | so my thinking was if we can create the new repo without disturbing the current way it works, then we can try to do it for O if there is time. | 00:35 |
| aimeeu | creating the repo and replicating code I think is the easiest part | 00:36 |
| ekcs | that way it’s available, but the old one is also available so we don’t need to thoroughly test the new one. | 00:36 |
| aimeeu | making sure both projects deploy correctly and dashboard is registered with Horizon is more time consuming | 00:36 |
| ekcs | and if so, the new repo and progress at basically any schedule we find convenient without us depending on it to be ready at any particular time. | 00:36 |
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| aimeeu | I agree. I keep thinking of more deployment scenarios that would need to be tested | 00:37 |
| ekcs | so my main concern is keeping the existing thing working in the mean time. | 00:37 |
| aimeeu | ekcs: +1 | 00:37 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs : if we split the repo .. we have to do all the release work by Jan end for the new repo too? | 00:38 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: I’m not sure. My guess would be we can start the new repo without being forced to include it in the release right away. | 00:39 |
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| aimeeu | ekcs: yes | 00:40 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs : ok ..Then should be fine | 00:40 |
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| ekcs | one more thing on Ocata. please go ahead and target things for Ocata in launchpad for the things you want in ocata. that way we can all get a big picture of what is left to be done. very helpful in planning. | 00:41 |
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| ekcs | and feel free to ask me to make those changes for those who don’t have permissions on launchpad. | 00:41 |
| ekcs | ok then. let’s move on to open discussion. | 00:42 |
| ekcs | #topic open discussion | 00:42 |
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| ekcs | I reported a couple bugs on postgres deployment. #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bugs?field.tag=postgres | 00:44 |
| ekcs | both seem to boil down to a mysterious 401 error when contacting datasource. I’m going to look into it some more, but throwing it out here too to see if someone happens to have a clue. | 00:45 |
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| masahito | ekcs: do you know how to deploy openstack with mysql? I've not tried it. | 00:47 |
| ekcs | masahito: you mean using devstack or not? | 00:48 |
| masahito | using devstack. | 00:48 |
| ekcs | by default devstack uses mysql. | 00:48 |
| masahito | oops, sorry. s/mysql/postgresql/ | 00:48 |
| ekcs | to change to postgres you add the following to local.conf | 00:49 |
| ekcs | disable_service mysql | 00:49 |
| ekcs | enable_service postgresql | 00:49 |
| ekcs | before stacking. | 00:49 |
| masahito | good to know. thanks! | 00:49 |
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| ekcs | ok if there’s nothing more to discuss, shall we end early? | 00:51 |
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| ekcs | I’ll wait a couple minutes = ) | 00:51 |
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| ekcs | ok have a great rest of the week, and see you all later! | 00:52 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 00:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 12 00:52:55 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-01-11-23.59.html | 00:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-01-11-23.59.txt | 00:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-01-11-23.59.log.html | 00:53 |
| masahito | bye | 00:53 |
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| jftalta | Hello ! | 07:16 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, sorry! | 07:20 |
| eumel8 | ah | 07:20 |
| eumel8 | hello! | 07:20 |
| eumel8 | :-) | 07:20 |
| eumel8 | just moved back to work ;) | 07:21 |
| ianychoi | :) | 07:21 |
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| ianychoi | jftalta, hi and sorry | 07:21 |
| ianychoi | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:22 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 12 07:22:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:22 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:22 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:22 |
| jftalta | iany hoi,hi | 07:22 |
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| eumel8 | hi, ianychoi, jftalta, katomo | 07:22 |
| jftalta | hi eumel8 | 07:22 |
| ianychoi | Sorry for starting I18n meeting late. | 07:22 |
| eumel8 | np | 07:22 |
| jftalta | neither for me | 07:23 |
| ianychoi | #review Review on last meeting actions | 07:24 |
| ianychoi | #topic Review on last meeting actions | 07:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review on last meeting actions (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:24 | |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, I have heard from clarkb that there is no database backup procedure in infra but we can improve puppet script to enable backup | 07:25 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: that was also my impression | 07:26 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, sorry for my patch for revising French page with theme. I will do it today :) | 07:26 |
| jftalta | ok :) | 07:26 |
| jftalta | I'm overloaded to ;) | 07:27 |
| ianychoi | :) | 07:27 |
| eumel8 | I think, Class: zanata::mysql is the right place to implement a backup solution | 07:27 |
| eumel8 | is there any disc space attached? that would be the next question :) | 07:27 |
| ianychoi | I see. Hmm, I do not know how infra server specs (e.g., CPU size, memory size, number of disks, ...) are specified and changed | 07:28 |
| ianychoi | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n-zanata-test-for-translate-dev | 07:28 |
| ianychoi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n-zanata-test-for-translate-dev | 07:28 |
| ianychoi | I have completed all the tests and the one problem I have found is.. Zanata with Xenial (Java 8) needs more memory | 07:29 |
| jftalta | with mysqldump ? | 07:29 |
| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2017-January/002643.html | 07:30 |
| eumel8 | there is a class mysql::backup. I think it's with mysqldump | 07:30 |
| jftalta | ok | 07:30 |
| ianychoi | I replied this e-mail to aeng and clarkb . I think I need to ask them again with such specs | 07:30 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, then, we might need to download the backups if needed? | 07:31 |
| eumel8 | https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetlabs-mysql/tree/master/manifests/backup | 07:31 |
| eumel8 | some option | 07:31 |
| ianychoi | for anyone? or just admins would be sufficient? | 07:31 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: which target? I think there is no archive service in openstack infra or something like that | 07:32 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://tarballs.openstack.org/ | 07:32 |
| ianychoi | Maybe this? | 07:32 |
| jftalta | my connection is pretty bad, sorry | 07:33 |
| eumel8 | I think there are confidential data in the backup | 07:33 |
| ianychoi | Okay... I see :) | 07:34 |
| eumel8 | but doing the backup is the first step | 07:34 |
| jftalta | confidential data ? | 07:35 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, might be... some openstackid tokens? | 07:35 |
| ianychoi | I am not sure.. | 07:35 |
| eumel8 | yes | 07:35 |
| eumel8 | it's to investigate | 07:36 |
| eumel8 | maybe we get access to the test server | 07:36 |
| ianychoi | Yep.. good action items :) | 07:36 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, then could you help improve puppet scripts? | 07:37 |
| eumel8 | i can write a backup solution, yes | 07:37 |
| ianychoi | yep good :) | 07:38 |
| ianychoi | And.. one thing: smarcet, who is a developer for openstackid wants to test newer version of openstackid-dev with translate-dev | 07:38 |
| jftalta | eumel8: great, thx ! | 07:39 |
| eumel8 | ok | 07:39 |
| ianychoi | Since more things need to do, I think temporally change from openstackid to openstackid-dev for a week would be needed | 07:39 |
| ianychoi | At that time, we will not log on to translate-dev | 07:39 |
| ianychoi | Would it be fine to all? | 07:39 |
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| eumel8 | yes, ok | 07:40 |
| ianychoi | translate-dev has two purposes: test with infra and also test with users :) | 07:40 |
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| jftalta | ok | 07:40 |
| ianychoi | #action ianychoi will ask to clarkb for temporal change to openstackid-dev and also changing server specs (memory size, disk) with root access for translate-dev | 07:41 |
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| ianychoi | #topic Discussing core reviewers with language teams | 07:43 |
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| ianychoi | adiantum, are you online now? :) | 07:43 |
| adiantum | ianychoi, yes, i'm here | 07:44 |
| jftalta | adiantum: hi | 07:44 |
| eumel8 | adiantum: hi | 07:44 |
| adiantum | hi all! | 07:45 |
| ianychoi | adiantum, wow good :) Now i18n IRC meeting is online :) | 07:45 |
| adiantum | great! =) | 07:45 |
| ianychoi | Actually this topic is for how we make more discussions with core reviewers and also language teams | 07:45 |
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| ianychoi | In my opinion, active language teams propose core reviewers. | 07:46 |
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| adiantum | ianychoi, in my opinion, great idea. | 07:47 |
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| jftalta | +1 | 07:47 |
| eumel8 | +1 | 07:48 |
| ianychoi | And... I would like to change some sort of a form of i18n team governance... It means that doc team has specialty teams. | 07:49 |
| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-December/009389.html | 07:49 |
| ianychoi | I always appreciate such report from Docs, and I think we can start to publish similar reports if language teams give feedback to me :) | 07:50 |
| jftalta | I see. Another good idea :) | 07:51 |
| eumel8 | good idea | 07:51 |
| adiantum | yep, good idea | 07:51 |
| adiantum | how offten will we make this kind of reports? | 07:51 |
| ianychoi | Thanks all for kind agreements. | 07:51 |
| ianychoi | adiantum, good question: I have thought once a month | 07:52 |
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| adiantum | ianychoi, great! | 07:52 |
| eumel8 | weekly would be better in hot phases | 07:53 |
| jftalta | one a month is enough, actually. +1 | 07:54 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I have thought once a month since 1) Docs team shared it previously once a week but changed to bi-weekly and 2) I want local translators communicate more at least once a month and I would like to reflect their discussions and thoughts | 07:55 |
| eumel8 | in normal phases yes, but I think in the weeks before releases are more activities to report | 07:55 |
| ianychoi | For local translators and/or coordinators, once a week would be a pressure.. | 07:55 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: yes :) | 07:55 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, aha that's good idea. Then I think a kind of release manager for especially between Soft to Hard StringFreze would be needed | 07:56 |
| eumel8 | evil, I know, I'm currently not a coordinator ;) | 07:56 |
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| adiantum | eumel8, more activities, but more work and less time to report =) | 07:57 |
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| adiantum | eumel8, but anyway good idea =) may be biweekly will be fine? | 07:58 |
| ianychoi | Hmm... are you interested in being a release manager for Ocata cycle: eumel8 jftalta and adiantum ? | 07:58 |
| eumel8 | I think Zanata has some options for coordinator role for reports | 07:58 |
| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-November/009345.html | 07:58 |
| ianychoi | Similar to release manager, I18n team might needs StringFreeze managers :) | 07:59 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, oh really? Zanata support such functionality? | 07:59 |
| eumel8 | so much work ... have to think about it. | 07:59 |
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| eumel8 | meeting time is over | 07:59 |
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| ianychoi | Yep.. could you all move to #openstack-i18n channel if it is fine? | 08:00 |
| ianychoi | Thank you all: eumel8 jftalta and adiantum ! | 08:00 |
| adiantum | ianychoi: yep | 08:00 |
| ianychoi | #endmeeting | 08:00 |
| adiantum | ianychoi: thank you! | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 12 08:00:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-01-12-07.22.html | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-01-12-07.22.txt | 08:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-01-12-07.22.log.html | 08:00 |
| eumel8 | for a short time | 08:00 |
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| gmann | #startmeeting qa | 09:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 12 09:01:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 09:01 |
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| gmann | hi Who all here today? | 09:01 |
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| dmellado | gmann: o/ | 09:03 |
| gmann | dmellado: hi | 09:03 |
| gmann | andreaf: mkoderer___ ping if around | 09:04 |
| gmann | dmellado: let's wait for few min for more people | 09:04 |
| dmellado | gmann: sure | 09:04 |
| gmann | seems like we 2 today | 09:04 |
| dmellado | gmann: hmm, then maybe we can just skip today's meeting | 09:05 |
| dmellado | I don't have that many in my agenda, just added the cross-project session propsal to the PTG etherpad | 09:05 |
| * andreaf lurks in | 09:06 | |
| dmellado | hey andreaf | 09:06 |
| andreaf | gmann: I'm only half here, caring for my son atm | 09:06 |
| gmann | andreaf: hi, i see | 09:06 |
| andreaf | dmellado: hi | 09:06 |
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| andreaf | I thought it was going to be an 17 UTC meeting today | 09:07 |
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| andreaf | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_January_12th_2017_.281700_UTC.29 | 09:07 |
| gmann | andreaf: actually there was confusion over time in wifi, i updated | 09:07 |
| andreaf | ah I see | 09:07 |
| andreaf | that may explain why not many are here :D | 09:08 |
| gmann | anyways let's start and finish early | 09:08 |
| gmann | hummm | 09:08 |
| gmann | oomichi: fault as he did update 900UTC in last one :P | 09:08 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_January_12th_2017_.280900_UTC.29 | 09:09 |
| dmellado | ouch, yep that could be it, heh | 09:09 |
| gmann | ^^ today agenda | 09:09 |
| gmann | #topic PTG | 09:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:09 | |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-ptg-pike | 09:09 |
| gmann | so we have many ideas there and keep putting more | 09:10 |
| gmann | main idea will be to keep ready with spec etc if there is any and we can do real progress in PTG with design discussion + coding | 09:10 |
| gmann | I will jump to Tempest if nothing on spec etc(all specs are with same state seems) | 09:11 |
| dmellado | yep, sounds fine for me | 09:11 |
| gmann | #topic Tempest | 09:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:12 | |
| gmann | 1. Glance-related tempest patch | 09:12 |
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| gmann | rosmaita in case you around | 09:12 |
| gmann | actually this is something in hot discussion in ML and api-wg meeting etc | 09:12 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/109817.html | 09:13 |
| gmann | for me it is backward incompatible change and tests should not be updated | 09:13 |
| gmann | but you all can provide your opinion on this | 09:13 |
| gmann | if nothing to discuss on this i would like to jump to bugs | 09:15 |
| gmann | 2. Bug Triage | 09:15 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-weekly-bug-report | 09:15 |
| gmann | it was my turn this week and did some bugs clean up | 09:16 |
| gmann | new bugs are 0 | 09:16 |
| gmann | 1 bug i noticed is about usage of test.idempotent_id | 09:16 |
| gmann | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1616913 | 09:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1616913 in tempest "Tempest lib check-uuid enforces use of private tempest methods" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Kiall Mac Innes (kiall) | 09:17 |
| gmann | all should use tempest.lib.decorators.idempotent_id instead of test.idempotent_id | 09:17 |
| gmann | which is something we kept for migration and there are patches also for tempest changes | 09:17 |
| gmann | but seems like there are lot of plugin use the same and we need to fix them all before tempest remove test.idempotent_id | 09:18 |
| gmann | #link http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=test.idempotent_id&i=nope&files=&repos= | 09:18 |
| gmann | andreaf: i suppose we can fix plugins for that and remove it from tempest as it is in unstable interface | 09:19 |
| andreaf | gmann: sure one of the many... | 09:19 |
| gmann | yea, i will see tomorrow how much effort it need(may be some script can do :)) | 09:20 |
| gmann | and next week bug triage is dmellado you | 09:21 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-qa-bug-triage | 09:21 |
| dmellado | gmann: ack | 09:21 |
| dmellado | I'll take care | 09:21 |
| gmann | dmellado: thanks | 09:21 |
| gmann | we are really in good shape on bugs due to triage rotation | 09:22 |
| gmann | let's jump to open | 09:22 |
| gmann | #topic Open Discussion | 09:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:22 | |
| gmann | do we have anything specific to discuss or we can close the meeting | 09:23 |
| andreaf | perhaps it would be good to have an owner in here | 09:23 |
| andreaf | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-ptg-pike | 09:24 |
| andreaf | for each of the topics | 09:24 |
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| andreaf | and a link to a dedicated etherpad | 09:24 |
| gmann | andreaf: ahh, nice point | 09:24 |
| andreaf | like we usually have at the design summit | 09:24 |
| gmann | yea, we should add | 09:24 |
| dmellado | gmann: andreaf yeah | 09:25 |
| dmellado | I can add myself as the owner for the crossprojects | 09:25 |
| andreaf | thanks | 09:25 |
| gmann | #action oomichi to ask everyone to add owner on ptg etherpad | 09:25 |
| dmellado | althought I'd love seeing oomichi and mtreinish there too | 09:25 |
| gmann | i will add on mine | 09:25 |
| gmann | anything else to discuss | 09:26 |
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| gmann | ok let's close. Thanks andreaf dmellado | 09:28 |
| andreaf | thank you | 09:28 |
| dmellado | thanks gmann | 09:28 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 09:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 12 09:28:47 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-01-12-09.01.html | 09:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-01-12-09.01.txt | 09:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-01-12-09.01.log.html | 09:28 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: nova meeting ? | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I was just wondering about that too | 14:03 |
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| * edleafe paces back and forth, waiting... | 14:06 | |
| mriedem | oh boy | 14:06 |
| mriedem | you guys need to run it | 14:06 |
| mriedem | sorry | 14:06 |
| mriedem | the agenda is updated | 14:06 |
| bauzas | okay | 14:06 |
| bauzas | #startmeeting nova | 14:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 12 14:06:47 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:06 |
| bauzas | #chair johnthetubaguy mriedem | 14:07 |
| openstack | Current chairs: bauzas johnthetubaguy mriedem | 14:07 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:07 |
| efried | o/ | 14:07 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:07 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:07 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 14:07 |
| raj_singh | o/ | 14:07 |
| rfolco | o/ | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | cool, let's begin | 14:07 |
| thorst_ | o/ | 14:07 |
| bauzas | #topic Release News | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:08 | |
| bauzas | #info Jan 19: final non-client library release (oslo) | 14:08 |
| * cdent is incapable of using a calendar | 14:08 | |
| bauzas | #info Jan 26: o-3 milestone, final python-novaclient release, FeatureFreeze, Soft StringFreeze | 14:08 |
| bauzas | which means 2 weeks from now | 14:08 |
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| bauzas | so in case you don't have patches uploaded, don't wait for us reviewing | 14:08 |
| bauzas | which goes to... | 14:08 |
| bauzas | #link Ocata blueprints https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/ocata | 14:09 |
| bauzas | #info 70 total blueprints, 22 implemented, 3 not started, 31 need code review | 14:09 |
| bauzas | #link Details on remaining blueprints: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ocata-feature-freeze | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | we had a good sprint day yesterday with 5 BPs implemented | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | congrats to those who helped nova | 14:09 |
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| diana_clarke | o/ | 14:10 |
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| bauzas | in case you're working on a BP, I urge you to make sure there is no merge conflict and Jenkins is happy with your changes | 14:10 |
| bauzas | any questions about the above ? | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | just remember that the FeatureFreeze will be in two weeks | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | looks like a good summary | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess we keep using that etherpad as we burn down? | 14:11 |
| bauzas | yup, we should | 14:11 |
| bauzas | in case folks think the etherpad is not looking good for their BPs, please update it | 14:12 |
| bauzas | with details | 14:12 |
| bauzas | anyhow | 14:12 |
| bauzas | moving on | 14:12 |
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| bauzas | #topic Bugs | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:12 | |
| bauzas | I haven't hard of recent criticals | 14:12 |
| bauzas | and the gate... well | 14:13 |
| bauzas | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:13 |
| bauzas | we had recent non-voting jobs that were unhappy | 14:13 |
| bauzas | at least the py35 job and the placement one | 14:13 |
| bauzas | but well, nothing really blocking us AFAIK | 14:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the placement one, is that the only job running placement right now? I lost track :( | 14:14 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: not really | 14:15 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: we merged some devstack change that added the placement service by default | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | I thought that, whats different about the placement job now? | 14:15 |
| bauzas | well | 14:15 |
| mriedem | placement is on by default in ocata | 14:15 |
| mriedem | the newton job was busted | 14:15 |
| bauzas | that | 14:15 |
| mriedem | but that's fixed now | 14:15 |
| bauzas | yup | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, that makse sense | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | gotcha | 14:16 |
| bauzas | hence why it's a different job | 14:16 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:16 |
| bauzas | mriedem: Overall Categorization Rate: 20.2% | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: do you need any help ? | 14:16 |
| bauzas | for categorizing more ? | 14:16 |
| bauzas | or are those like new problems ? | 14:16 |
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| mriedem | bauzas: wrong page | 14:17 |
| mriedem | http://status.openstack.org//elastic-recheck/data/integrated_gate.html | 14:17 |
| mriedem | over 60% | 14:17 |
| mriedem | which is fine | 14:17 |
| bauzas | oh my internet is sooooo terrible | 14:17 |
| bauzas | I'm lagging a while | 14:17 |
| bauzas | so I clicked on the wrong tab | 14:17 |
| bauzas | moving on then | 14:17 |
| bauzas | #link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:17 |
| bauzas | I haven't seen problems recently | 14:18 |
| bauzas | but do folks agree with ^ | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | I take the silence as a green | 14:19 |
| bauzas | #topic Reminders | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:19 | |
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| bauzas | #link Ocata review priorities https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:19 |
| bauzas | folks can amend their sections to point changes they want to be reviewed here ^ | 14:19 |
| bauzas | now, the question I have is : | 14:19 |
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| bauzas | should we keep that for the next 2 weeks or focus on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ocata-feature-freeze ? | 14:20 |
| bauzas | that sounds a bit duplicating info | 14:20 |
| bauzas | personnally, I try to look at the latter | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I was thinking that too | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | I added a note at the top of the etherpad | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean if you run out of the feature freeze pad, sure... | 14:21 |
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| bauzas | honestly, I think we should focus on blueprints for the next 10 working days :) | 14:21 |
| bauzas | that priorities etherpad is also good for commenting bugs | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | just need to make sure everyone updates the new one, thats all | 14:22 |
| bauzas | but I tend to prefer seeing what's really important for the project in the feature-freeze etherpad | 14:22 |
| bauzas | consensus ? | 14:22 |
| bauzas | mriedem: $ | 14:22 |
| bauzas | oops | 14:22 |
| bauzas | mriedem: ^ | 14:22 |
| mriedem | umm, | 14:22 |
| mriedem | doesn't matter much to me, | 14:22 |
| mriedem | i created the feature freeze etherpad for my own tracking | 14:22 |
| mriedem | but happy to have people using it | 14:22 |
| bauzas | mriedem: okay, I just want to know where people can put things to review in order to get traction, that's it | 14:23 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: I don't honestly have an opinion between both that said | 14:23 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:24 |
| bauzas | let's not overthink that | 14:24 |
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| bauzas | let's keep the existing track | 14:25 |
| bauzas | and use the priorities etherpad | 14:25 |
| bauzas | #topic Stable branches status | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branches status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:25 | |
| bauzas | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker | 14:26 |
| bauzas | I'm glad to see that the placement job is now back green in stable/newton | 14:26 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: thanks for that | 14:26 |
| mriedem | woot | 14:26 |
| mriedem | i'm backporting several placement related fixes to newton | 14:26 |
| mriedem | to fix ironic reporting in newton | 14:27 |
| mriedem | then will probably do a release after that series is in | 14:27 |
| bauzas | okay | 14:27 |
| bauzas | we also have some change related to placement that should be proposed against stable/newton | 14:27 |
| bauzas | the one avoiding to try-once calling the placement service | 14:27 |
| mriedem | i already have that up | 14:28 |
| bauzas | cool | 14:28 |
| mriedem | anyway, i've got to run, be back later | 14:28 |
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| bauzas | #info stable/newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 14:28 |
| bauzas | #info stable/mitaka: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/mitaka,n,z | 14:28 |
| bauzas | stable/newton would require some pass | 14:28 |
| bauzas | I'll try to help here | 14:29 |
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| bauzas | I don't know when matt is planning a point release | 14:29 |
| bauzas | for newton | 14:29 |
| bauzas | lyarwood: do you know that ? | 14:29 |
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| bauzas | ideally, I'd like to see a point release including https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419217/ | 14:30 |
| bauzas | as it would help operators to have a nice upgrade path for ocata | 14:30 |
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| bauzas | in case they haven't run the placement service in newton yet | 14:30 |
| bauzas | (because it's optional) | 14:31 |
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| bauzas | other thoughts on stable ? | 14:31 |
| bauzas | okay, tic-tac | 14:31 |
| bauzas | #topic Subteam highlights | 14:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Subteam highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:32 | |
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| bauzas | edleafe: the floor is yours | 14:32 |
| edleafe | Discussed placement client. Decided that while needed, it was premature to spend time on it now. Definitely Pike, though. | 14:32 |
| edleafe | Talked about whether 'can_host' is needed, but since jaypipes wasn't present and is the one who has expressed a need for it, tabled that until next week. | 14:32 |
| edleafe | Determined the need for a set of tests for the more complex cases, such as shared resources that require digging into the aggregate relationships. None of us are confident that the code as is can properly handle that yet. I agreed to start working on a test that should fail now, but pass when aggs are properly supported. | 14:32 |
| edleafe | There were several other efforts discussed that seem to be on track. | 14:32 |
| edleafe | That's it | 14:32 |
| bauzas | cool, great summary | 14:32 |
| bauzas | you prepared it ? | 14:32 |
| edleafe | always! | 14:32 |
| bauzas | edleafe: <3 | 14:33 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: you around ? | 14:33 |
| bauzas | dansmith: about the cellsv2 meeting held yesterday | 14:33 |
| bauzas | I was there but I was just laying at the corner | 14:33 |
| * cdent needs to run; waves | 14:34 | |
| bauzas | cdent: \o | 14:34 |
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| bauzas | okay, about the cellsv2 meeting, let's try to summarize | 14:34 |
| kaisers_ | \o | 14:34 |
| bauzas | thoughts on integrating cellsv2 with cellsv1, which is busted AFAIK | 14:34 |
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| bauzas | a few open reviews | 14:35 |
| bauzas | and the decision to focus on merging the quota changes before the FeatureFreeze | 14:35 |
| bauzas | details can be shown in the priorities etherpad | 14:36 |
| bauzas | oh, and next week's meeting is cancelled due to the host being on PTO :) | 14:36 |
| bauzas | moving on | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | I keep meaning to hit those, just not got to the bottom of my TOOD list :( | 14:36 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yeah, your insights would be appreciated for the quota changes | 14:37 |
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| bauzas | I'm pretty sure it's old greek to me | 14:37 |
| bauzas | (the quota stuff) | 14:37 |
| bauzas | but I can try to sneak peek it | 14:37 |
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| bauzas | so, the live-migration subteam held no meeting this week | 14:37 |
| bauzas | API subteam, alex_xu, sdague? | 14:38 |
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| bauzas | I wasn't there but I can read logs :) | 14:39 |
| bauzas | mostly discussion on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408571/ | 14:39 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I saw you were discussing on it this EU morning with alex_xu right? | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I was at the meeting, let me summarize a bit | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically focusing on the validation of filters passed into list servers | 14:40 |
| bauzas | right | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have a way to validate the good things | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | and ignore some of the bad | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | currently looking at rejecting the really bad with 400 errors | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | without the code looking a total mess | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | not totally getting to there yet | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | but close ish | 14:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thats all really | 14:41 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: okay, does that mean a new iteration of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408571/ ? | 14:41 |
| bauzas | AFAICT, it's an ocata prio, righT? | 14:41 |
| bauzas | so I'd love to review it as soon as it is ready | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | it is a priority | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | been working hard on it for several weeks | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | just struggling to reach consensus on the direction | 14:42 |
| bauzas | okay | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | code is all up for review, if folks have a preference | 14:42 |
| bauzas | anyway, will ping you after this meetingh | 14:43 |
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| bauzas | moving on | 14:43 |
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| bauzas | moshele isn't there | 14:43 |
| bauzas | lbeliveau neither | 14:43 |
| bauzas | so I can't talk for the SRIOV meeting | 14:43 |
| bauzas | gibi: I'm unsure, do you folks had meeting ? | 14:44 |
| gibi | bauzas: we had | 14:44 |
| bauzas | gibi: nice, take the mic | 14:44 |
| gibi | in short | 14:44 |
| gibi | the flavor notification has been completed yesterday | 14:44 |
| gibi | just some follow up refactor patch remains | 14:44 |
| bauzas | cool | 14:44 |
| bauzas | yeah I remember some thoughts | 14:45 |
| bauzas | do you folks have other things to review before FF ? | 14:45 |
| gibi | the json schema work is still suffers for ovo dependencies | 14:45 |
| gibi | so that will spill over | 14:45 |
| gibi | to Pike | 14:45 |
| gibi | I suggest looking at the searchlight bp | 14:45 |
| bauzas | I saw some nova command for priting the notification schema | 14:45 |
| bauzas | is that deferred to Pike as well ? | 14:45 |
| gibi | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/additional-notification-fields-for-searchlight | 14:45 |
| gibi | bauzas: jest the json schema printing has little chance due to ovo dependency | 14:46 |
| bauzas | gibi: k | 14:46 |
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| bauzas | gibi: thanks | 14:46 |
| gibi | and if time allows there is a lot of transformation patch up for review | 14:46 |
| bauzas | #topic PTG planning | 14:46 |
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| bauzas | matt made an etherpad for putting thoughts to discuss during the PTG | 14:47 |
| bauzas | #link Pike PTG planning: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-pike | 14:47 |
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| bauzas | AFAICU, the PTG schedule for nova will mostly be meetup style with no scheduled sessions | 14:47 |
| bauzas | we'll just consume the etherpad, priority after priority | 14:48 |
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| bauzas | and friday being like our regular friday contributors meetup | 14:48 |
| bauzas | we have a bit more of 10 mins lefy | 14:49 |
| bauzas | left | 14:49 |
| bauzas | any questions about the PTG ? | 14:49 |
| bauzas | just keep in mind that mon-tues will be cross-project | 14:49 |
| bauzas | and wed-fri being allocated to nova | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think its cross project teams | 14:50 |
| bauzas | yeah, there are a number of identified teams | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | like architecture has a full day, SWG has a full day, Infra, etc | 14:50 |
| bauzas | yup, we can see them in http://www.openstack.org/ptg | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, just saying its not like the old one | 14:51 |
| bauzas | correct | 14:51 |
| bauzas | sorry for being unclear | 14:51 |
| bauzas | #topic stuck reviews | 14:51 |
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| bauzas | I haven't seen any controversial change that was requiring some help here | 14:52 |
| bauzas | and the agenda is free from thaty | 14:52 |
| bauzas | so... | 14:52 |
| bauzas | moving on | 14:52 |
| bauzas | #topic open discussion | 14:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:52 | |
| bauzas | nothing in the agenda too | 14:52 |
| bauzas | so, given I have nothing to say here, should we just consider saving 7 mins of our time ? | 14:53 |
| edleafe | +1 | 14:53 |
| bauzas | my coffee machine has to be refueled | 14:54 |
| bauzas | so thanks folks for letting me doing that | 14:54 |
| bauzas | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 12 14:54:21 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-01-12-14.06.html | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-01-12-14.06.txt | 14:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-01-12-14.06.log.html | 14:54 |
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| dasm | armax: meeting? | 22:00 |
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| armax | yes | 22:00 |
| armax | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 12 22:00:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:00 |
| ihrachys_ | o/ | 22:01 |
| njohnston | o/ | 22:01 |
| armax | hello | 22:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 22:01 |
| armax | everyone | 22:01 |
| boden | howdy | 22:01 |
| armax | I almost forgot what it means to run a neutron drivers meeting | 22:01 |
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| armax | kevinbenton, amotoki ping | 22:02 |
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| amotoki | hi | 22:02 |
| armax | hello! | 22:02 |
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| armax | no it’s me | 22:05 |
| armax | I am being distracted | 22:05 |
| armax | sorry | 22:05 |
| armax | I have a relatively lax agenda | 22:06 |
| armax | first I wanted to touch base on outstanding specs | 22:06 |
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| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203509/ | 22:07 |
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| ihrachys | armax: what's DOA? | 22:08 |
| armax | iptables-based security-groups with OVS | 22:08 |
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| armax | it’s a huge debt | 22:09 |
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| ihrachys | oh you mean we should encourage to work on ovs firewall for ovs case | 22:09 |
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| armax | yeah | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | good, I read it as if you suggested it's ovs firewall that is DOA | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | :) | 22:09 |
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| armax | I have not seen the code and I would expect that they logger should work irrespective of LB vs OVS | 22:10 |
| armax | but I personally don’t think we should even expose this on OVS if they are targeting iptables | 22:10 |
| armax | it could potentially give us yet another migration issue later on | 22:11 |
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| amotoki | your concern is that the implementation can be tightly coupled with iptables. right? | 22:12 |
| armax | amotoki: yes | 22:13 |
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| amotoki | reasonable concern. | 22:14 |
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| armax | so I think this one has to spin again | 22:15 |
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| ihrachys | armax: so, reading your comments, you expect that driver will report back if the extension is not supported by it. which opens a question of what to do in multi driver setup. (we had similar problem in qos, and I don't think we actually tackled it) | 22:15 |
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| -amotoki- am thinking what we can suggest as the next step | 22:16 | |
| armax | ihrachys: that’s a good point | 22:16 |
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| armax | I suppose we can have a security group serving VMs connected via different ML2 drivers | 22:16 |
| armax | and it’s a mess | 22:17 |
| armax | is it not? | 22:17 |
| armax | so this means that the information being collected is potentially partial? | 22:17 |
| ihrachys | yeah | 22:17 |
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| armax | this is a can of worms ready to blow up into everyone’s face | 22:18 |
| armax | which is a bit gross | 22:18 |
| ihrachys | I actually think from API standpoint, we should try to avoid asking backends for permission. just allow the operation and allow drivers to fail delivering. but I am open for an elegant way to do it in a smarter way. | 22:18 |
| armax | I wonder if this spec is ever gonna get implemented | 22:18 |
| armax | amuller was actually advocating for the opposite | 22:19 |
| ihrachys | yeah I know | 22:19 |
| ihrachys | he is not supposed to maintain the code anymore | 22:20 |
| armax | ah | 22:20 |
| armax | ok | 22:20 |
| armax | bottom line there are still open questions | 22:20 |
| armax | on this one | 22:20 |
| armax | I don’t think the spec as is is ready to merge | 22:20 |
| armax | as for | 22:21 |
| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373029 | 22:21 |
| armax | I sent it to spec heaven | 22:21 |
| ihrachys | amen, it totally makes sense. not sure why we even needed a spec. | 22:21 |
| armax | ihrachys: agreed | 22:21 |
| armax | then there was | 22:21 |
| armax | #link v | 22:21 |
| armax | #undo | 22:21 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link v | 22:21 |
| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320439/ | 22:21 |
| armax | I haven’t had a pass at it, yet | 22:22 |
| armax | but I’ll do after this meeting | 22:22 |
| armax | the work for both these specs will most certainly spill over Pike | 22:22 |
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| armax | then there was | 22:23 |
| ihrachys | I will read through the spec for flow management tomorrow. I hope it's ok to wait till then. | 22:23 |
| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351675/ | 22:23 |
| armax | it had a +2 from kevin at one point | 22:23 |
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| armax | that one is also on my radar | 22:23 |
| armax | of the list of open specs I don’t think there’s anything else we can squash | 22:23 |
| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-specs,n,z | 22:23 |
| armax | you folks spot anything I am missing? | 22:23 |
| ihrachys | re port status one, I have my reservations on it. I still believe we try to solve a particular configuration while we already provide all the bits to cover the use case. | 22:24 |
| armax | ihrachys: elaborate, pls | 22:24 |
| ihrachys | armax: two points. first, it seems like we use neutron as a mere storage/proxy for signaling between other components. | 22:25 |
| ihrachys | which could be avoided if those components talk to each other | 22:25 |
| armax | ihrachys: it’s neutron as a fancy datastore | 22:25 |
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| ihrachys | second, we already have tags for such use cases, where external consumers want to attach info to resources | 22:25 |
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| ihrachys | armax: it's neutron as a fancy datastore, and another extension on our plate. I prefer not if possible. | 22:26 |
| armax | ihrachys: tags introduce potential incompatibility | 22:26 |
| armax | it was brought up during the spec review | 22:26 |
| armax | as for the fancy datastare comment | 22:26 |
| armax | I agree with you | 22:26 |
| ihrachys | armax: I bet there will be a request two cycles down the line to expand possible values for the status field. ask me then about compatibility. | 22:26 |
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| armax | the datastore gives you the port UUID mapping though | 22:27 |
| armax | I mean the status is associated to the life cycle of the port | 22:27 |
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| ihrachys | what was the exact problem with tags btw? I could have missed that one. | 22:27 |
| armax | first off, we have no tags for ports | 22:27 |
| armax | but that’s a technicality | 22:27 |
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| armax | but second of all, it’s like one system may say ‘status = DEAD’ another may say ‘state = DOWN’ | 22:28 |
| armax | and boom | 22:28 |
| armax | with tags there’s no way of defining which one is correct unless you define an ontology | 22:29 |
| ihrachys | so you say that neutron is a fancy data store AND schema validator | 22:29 |
| armax | ihrachys: ah | 22:29 |
| armax | ihrachys: I suppose that’s one to characterize the whole thing | 22:30 |
| ihrachys | I choose vitrage handling that complexity instead of us, any day | 22:30 |
| njohnston | +1 | 22:30 |
| ihrachys | the schema (validation) is itself fluid I believe, and will eventually require expansion. I don't want to get there. | 22:31 |
| ihrachys | as I said in the review, I am not too negative to put -1, I am just sayin' | 22:31 |
| armax | ihrachys: I am also not strongly opinionated on this one | 22:32 |
| armax | ihrachys: the extra attribute on the port resource is the low-hanging fruit so to speak | 22:32 |
| armax | but it’s not free either | 22:32 |
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| armax | ihrachys: if nothing else, it’s informational | 22:33 |
| armax | and that does not hurt | 22:33 |
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| armax | if there’s a system around neutron that says ‘hey, this port’s data plane is indeed busted’, anyone consuming the neutron API is gonna see that | 22:34 |
| amotoki | it is a tradeoff. who validates a value and who provides information. if neutron provides an attr like this, external systems assumes it. if not, who can define a common interface? | 22:34 |
| ihrachys | armax: they could as easily use API of that other system to get the info. | 22:34 |
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| armax | ihrachys: is it though? | 22:35 |
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| armax | neutron’s API is kick ass :) | 22:35 |
| armax | the other system needs to be in sync | 22:35 |
| ihrachys | armax: you mean, have I actually checked vitrage to see if it's exposed there? no I didn't. that was more of a theoretical suggestion. | 22:35 |
| armax | and it may need to go back to neutron anyway | 22:35 |
| armax | I admit my ignorance in saying that I never looked at vitrage | 22:36 |
| ihrachys | now we are two | 22:36 |
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| ihrachys | my point is, they build something very specific for very specific use case, and so it's not required to give them complete solution, building blocks should be enough. | 22:37 |
| armax | they you mean who? | 22:37 |
| ihrachys | anyhoo, I think we spent too much time on that. if there are resources and support from other members, let's do it. | 22:38 |
| ihrachys | armax: they == vitrage | 22:38 |
| ihrachys | or whoever drives that | 22:38 |
| ihrachys | error detectors/orchestrators | 22:38 |
| armax | ok | 22:39 |
| armax | I think this one, as much as odd as it can be it’s many order of magnitudes less controversial than the security-logging API | 22:39 |
| armax | not that the comparison can help anything | 22:39 |
| armax | the other one I have on my radar is | 22:40 |
| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309416/ | 22:40 |
| armax | we need to close this one by end of Ocata | 22:40 |
| ihrachys | yes | 22:40 |
| armax | hopefully | 22:40 |
| ihrachys | that one is almost ready from my perspective | 22:40 |
| armax | cool | 22:40 |
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| ihrachys | there are some small nits that may even not be worth a fix (can be left for implementation) | 22:40 |
| armax | I have been meaning to go back and review it | 22:40 |
| armax | for a while | 22:41 |
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| armax | any other spec worth talking about now? | 22:41 |
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| armax | ok | 22:42 |
| armax | it looks like we’re good spec-wise for this week | 22:42 |
| armax | in terms of RFEs | 22:43 |
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| armax | we have a long list of confirmed RFEs | 22:43 |
| armax | and a few others | 22:43 |
| armax | we need to squash these lists | 22:44 |
| armax | but we can never do in the 15 minutes left here | 22:44 |
| armax | shall we call this short and take the time to go over the RFE lists offline? | 22:46 |
| ihrachys | yes | 22:46 |
| armax | ok then | 22:46 |
| amotoki | yes | 22:46 |
| armax | anything else from anyone else? | 22:46 |
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| njohnston | Nope | 22:46 |
| armax | OK! | 22:46 |
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| armax | have a great rest of your day everyone | 22:46 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 22:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 12 22:47:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-01-12-22.00.html | 22:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-01-12-22.00.txt | 22:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-01-12-22.00.log.html | 22:47 |
| njohnston | \o | 22:47 |
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