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| astarove | hi all | 14:01 |
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| andreykurilin | #startmeeting Rally | 14:02 |
| astudenov | hi | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 16 14:02:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:02 |
| andreykurilin | hi everyone! | 14:02 |
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| andreykurilin | I added one topic to agenda of this meeting | 14:04 |
| andreykurilin | #topic Rally 0.8.0. Are we ready? | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rally 0.8.0. Are we ready? (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:05 | |
| andreykurilin | we don't have releases for a long time | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | and it is time to make it | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | redesign of verification component is almost finish | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | we need just to add some docs for it | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin | I expect to finish it this week | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin | Any known blockers? | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin | I'm alone here?( | 14:07 |
| astudenov | tags for verifications? | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | not sure that it is blocker | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | just noce to have | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin | *nice | 14:08 |
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| astudenov | ok. then nothing from my side | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin | I expect that we missed some bugs while redesign verification component, so I plan next release in 2 weeks after 0.8.0 :) | 14:09 |
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| andreykurilin | all such nice-to-have features will be done there | 14:09 |
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| andreykurilin | they are not blockers and we already spend too much time for 0.8.0 release | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | it contains too much features and writing release notes for it can become real pain | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | accept docs fro verification component, we should merge docs for hooks. it is another thing which is blocker | 14:12 |
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| astudenov | lets review docs for hooks | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | yes:) | 14:13 |
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| andreykurilin | Documentary is very important. we need to note all missed parts of rally | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | hooks were introduced several months ago and do not have merged docs yet:( | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | ok. so docs for verification and hooks are only two blockers for 0.8.0 | 14:15 |
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| andreykurilin | it is really nice to hear that we do not have a lot of blockers | 14:15 |
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| andreykurilin | ok. so I hope next week we will discuss new release of Rally and plan features for the next release | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | #topic Open discussions | 14:16 |
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| andreykurilin | actually I do not have more topics to discuss | 14:16 |
| hai-shi | hi, andreykurilin | 14:17 |
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| andreykurilin | hi hai-shi | 14:17 |
| hai-shi | I have a question | 14:17 |
| andreykurilin | cool | 14:17 |
| hai-shi | our team hope me to test neutron | 14:17 |
| hai-shi | not based the api | 14:17 |
| hai-shi | but the osclient can not resolve it | 14:18 |
| hai-shi | :( | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | hm | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | what kind of tests you are interested on? | 14:18 |
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| hai-shi | our team hope to test the rabbitmq | 14:18 |
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| hai-shi | and send the fake request to rabbitmq | 14:19 |
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| hai-shi | but I can not finish it by rally | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | hai-shi: hm... I heard that someone has own rally plugin for testing rabbitmq | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | let me try to figure out who it was and try to ping he or she | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | PS: What is blockers for you while writing such scenario by your-self? | 14:20 |
| hai-shi | ok, could we add some plan about it in rally:) | 14:20 |
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| andreykurilin | hai-shi: so I'm ok about adding scenario which uses not only openstack clients | 14:21 |
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| hai-shi | ok. | 14:21 |
| andreykurilin | even more, I expect that in several months we finish validation refactoring and will be able to write scenarios not only for openstack | 14:22 |
| hai-shi | and question 2. in rally 0.7.0 | 14:22 |
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| hai-shi | we usually got failed task | 14:22 |
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| hai-shi | when the task is failed, we could not get the right report | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | O_o | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | can you share json&report of such task? it is hard to say anything. I need to see it and try to debug | 14:23 |
| hai-shi | it is our env's problem | 14:24 |
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| andreykurilin | but rally should construct report in any case | 14:24 |
| hai-shi | could i add some time label to the report | 14:24 |
| hai-shi | ? | 14:24 |
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| andreykurilin | what kind of time label you are interested? something like when task was launched? | 14:25 |
| hai-shi | some thing like it:) | 14:26 |
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| andreykurilin | so, I'm ok about such extension | 14:28 |
| andreykurilin | I think we should rework a bit overview tab of our report | 14:28 |
| hai-shi | got it. question 3)I hope we could count the sla by time(such as: a month, half year and so on) but this character should depend raas | 14:29 |
| hai-shi | sla's passing rate or fail rate:) | 14:30 |
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| andreykurilin | not sure that I understand you | 14:30 |
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| hai-shi | hm, when we run rally to test, i hope we could get the number of failure tests by time | 14:32 |
| hai-shi | I'm not sure that i explain it clearly | 14:33 |
| andreykurilin | you mean run long task with several scenarios and then get who many failed iterations were at particular time? | 14:33 |
| hai-shi | yeap:) | 14:34 |
| andreykurilin | I think it is more like post-parsing things. It can be added when we work on some "rally portal" while working on raas, but now it sounds like separate thing | 14:35 |
| hai-shi | why? | 14:37 |
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| andreykurilin | ok, I think we can put such frame in our report. but it requires a lot of work with js and out current js guru moved to another initiative and have no enough time for Rally | 14:39 |
| hai-shi | :( got it. | 14:40 |
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| andreykurilin | we should try to find another guy | 14:41 |
| andreykurilin | involve more contributors | 14:41 |
| andreykurilin | eh... | 14:41 |
| andreykurilin | ok. anything else? | 14:41 |
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| hai-shi | question 4)compatiable with win or linux | 14:42 |
| hai-shi | i am not sure the question | 14:42 |
| hai-shi | that's all. | 14:42 |
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| andreykurilin | ok, rally is compatible with linux:) | 14:43 |
| andreykurilin | we have ubuntu and centos gates | 14:43 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:43 |
| hai-shi | in fact, i hope i could run rally in win too. | 14:43 |
| hai-shi | thanks, andrey :) | 14:44 |
| andreykurilin | here can be a lot of problems. not related to rally at all, but openstack clients | 14:44 |
| andreykurilin | last week I got windows vm to check compatibility and try to identify most critical issues and understand the possibility of running rally in windows, but unfortunately I had not time. | 14:45 |
| andreykurilin | After releasing 0.8.0 I'll have more time for that investigation | 14:45 |
| hai-shi | got it. thanks a million | 14:46 |
| astudenov | hai-shi: it is easier to setup an virtualbox vm with ubuntu for running rally | 14:46 |
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| hai-shi | astudenov: yeap. you are right. But in some time, we need win to run some software:( | 14:47 |
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| andreykurilin | anything else to discuss? | 14:48 |
| astarove | no | 14:49 |
| hai-shi | no | 14:49 |
| andreykurilin | ok. thanks for participation | 14:49 |
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| andreykurilin | see you at #openstack-rally (irc) and http://gitter.im/rally-dev/Lobby | 14:50 |
| andreykurilin | #endmeeting | 14:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 16 14:50:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2017/rally.2017-01-16-14.02.html | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2017/rally.2017-01-16-14.02.txt | 14:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2017/rally.2017-01-16-14.02.log.html | 14:50 |
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| lennyb | #startmeeting third-party | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 16 15:01:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lennyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:01 |
| lennyb | Hello | 15:01 |
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| lennyb | anyone for a third party meeting? | 15:02 |
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| mmedvede | hi, I am around, but I do not have anything to discuss | 15:04 |
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| lennyb | hi mmedvede. your CI is working with nodepool, do you have cloud based on devstack or other provider? | 15:06 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: I have a full-blown OpenStack cloud, deployed with puppet openstack modules | 15:07 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: it is somewhat similar to the cloud managed by OpenStack infra | 15:08 |
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| lennyb | mmedvede, is there a documentation of installing procedure? I had a POC on devstack, but VM will be lost after hypervisor reboot. I can install RH packstack, but OpenStack CLoud can be a nicer solution | 15:12 |
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| mmedvede | lennyb: I am not sure about single place for documentation to deploy OpenStack with puppet modules | 15:15 |
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| mmedvede | lennyb: there used to be top puppet repository that glued together other modules to deploy full openstack, but it was deprecated | 15:16 |
| mmedvede | then there is infra cloud puppet configuration that you can use as an example | 15:16 |
| lennyb | OK, I will look around. thanks for the info. I guess I will close the meeting. | 15:16 |
| mmedvede | but be warned, it might take you anywhere from a week to 6 months to get it deployed this way :( | 15:16 |
| mmedvede | #link infracloud overview http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/infra-cloud.html | 15:19 |
| lennyb | mmedvede, thanks. I will use packstack instead, I prefer spending 6 month on beer and girls :) | 15:19 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: last time I checked, packstack is similar to devstack | 15:19 |
| mmedvede | that is, it provides poc deploy | 15:20 |
| mmedvede | could be enough depending on what you want :) | 15:20 |
| lennyb | mmedvede, yes, but It usually take only few hours to deploy basic packstack config | 15:20 |
| lennyb | mmedvede, thanks for being here. see you next week or around :). I am closing the meeting | 15:22 |
| mmedvede | thanks lennyb | 15:22 |
| lennyb | #endmeeting | 15:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 16 15:23:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-01-16-15.01.html | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-01-16-15.01.txt | 15:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-01-16-15.01.log.html | 15:23 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 16 16:01:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi all | 16:01 |
| ddeja | hello | 16:01 |
| d0ugal | Hey! | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I'll wait a minute.. | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | someone else may join | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | hi again | 16:03 |
| rbrady | o/ | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:04 | |
| rakhmerov | 1. rakhmerov: review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411412/ | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | #action review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411412/ | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | 2. ddeja: close https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1624284 and file a new more specific bug with the description of a corner case which is not yet fixed | 16:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1624284 in Mistral "MessagingTimeout when executing mistral actions" [Critical,Fix committed] - Assigned to Dawid Deja (dawid-deja-0) | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: it's done, right? | 16:05 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: yes, I'm just not sure if 'Fix committed' is OK | 16:05 |
| ddeja | or if it should be 'Fix released' | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | it needs to be "Fix released" | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:06 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: OK | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal, rbrady: as far as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411412/, sorry | 16:07 |
| ddeja | done ;_ | 16:07 |
| ddeja | ;) | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | I'm still getting used to work after long holidays | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | and buried with tons of things | 16:07 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: haha, me too I think. | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:07 |
| d0ugal | (and I got back a week earlier) | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | will do it this week for sure.. | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:07 |
| rbrady | ack | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: last week mostly reviewing patches, sent a small client patch to add user domain name and project domain name params into "TARGET" group, now working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420650/ which describes a new feature that we need internally | 16:09 |
| ddeja | My status: | 16:10 |
| ddeja | * Prepared a fix for tests that depends on order of returns from DB | 16:10 |
| ddeja | * Make kombu driver work in multi-thread mode | 16:10 |
| ddeja | This week: | 16:10 |
| ddeja | * Refactor RPC Utils (it is needed for next item) | 16:10 |
| ddeja | * Make kombu driver understand multiple rabbit hosts | 16:10 |
| d0ugal | I sent a tiny patch today which resolved a TripleO issue. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420547/ - I have been thinking this afternoon how to avoid this happening again - so I am interested if anyone has ideas for better testing OpenStack actions. | 16:10 |
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| d0ugal | I am also looking into improving the OpenStack action loading, I a bug with it - I need to open a bug in launchpad still. | 16:11 |
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| ddeja | d0ugal: better testing of OpenStack action is our Holy Graill ;) | 16:11 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: haha, indeed. We need all the other OpenStack projects to test themselves with Mistral :-D | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: as far as I remember Hardik Parekh was proposing some idea on how to test openstack actions but we put it on a shelve | 16:13 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: it is a difficult problem :( | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | do you remember by any chance? | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | yes, indeed | 16:13 |
| d0ugal | I don't remember. | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | and yes, it's our Holy Grail | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | if we do this we'll attract much more users, I'm sure | 16:13 |
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| d0ugal | Yeah | 16:14 |
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| d0ugal | How does openstackclient test against different projects? | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ok, honestly I don't remember all the details of Hardik's proposal, let me try to find it in the mailing list | 16:14 |
| d0ugal | They have the advantage that users write plugins, but they do still support some projects in the core. | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: find Hardik's proposal on testing OpenStack actions | 16:14 |
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| d0ugal | Thanks! | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: interesting, we can probably find out what they do in order to test things | 16:15 |
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| d0ugal | I also have a couple of ideas, but I am only just starting to think about it :) | 16:15 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov, d0ugal http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/098301.html | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | I was also hoping that we could consider better testing as part of this Actions refactoring initiative | 16:16 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: +1 | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: ooh, yes, that's it | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 16:16 |
| ddeja | no problem | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: we also need to think how to make versioning etc. | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | remember Dmitri Tantsur who came to our channel with this | 16:17 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Yeah, it becomes a big problem quickly :-D | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, the fact of the matter is.. It's f..ing huge | 16:18 |
| d0ugal | Yeah, I know Dmitri :) | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | we'll be moving towards that | 16:18 |
| d0ugal | Maybe a good place to start it identify the different issues, then we can tacklie a bit at a time. | 16:18 |
| d0ugal | I'll try and spend some time looking into this. | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, the good time to discuss all that stuff is PTG I think | 16:18 |
| d0ugal | That would be good | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | with you participating remotely :) | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | may be | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, please do spend time if you have it | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | it'd be great | 16:19 |
| ddeja | d0ugal: BTW, did you try the support program (assuming money is the problem) | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | I'll participate as much as possible | 16:19 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: I didn't - that isn't the issue tho :) | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | I think, speaking practically, I'll have much more time in 2-3 weeks | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | now have to turn my look inside at some internal stuff | 16:20 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: ACK | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | okay | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ooh, money isn't the issue? | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | I know many folks using this program | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | really | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I see | 16:21 |
| d0ugal | nah, I think Red Hat would have sent me, but I am unavailable that week. | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | aah... too bad | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok, it is what it is | 16:22 |
| d0ugal | Indeed. Not to worry. | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:22 |
| d0ugal | I'm happy to not have jet lag :) | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:22 |
| d0ugal | In other news, I started writing a Mistral Workflow linter | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I included the topic "PTG preparations" so let me formally set it | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, what's that? | 16:23 |
| d0ugal | My initial goal is to catch common issues I am seeing in TripleO - but it could be useful more generally too. | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | hah, cool | 16:23 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: like a flake8 for workflows I guess :) | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | yes, I see | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, there's one guy who made a prototype of sublime plugin to edit Mistral workflows | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | just FYI | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | it's still just a prototype though working with an older version of DSL | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | I was also thinking about something like this but it seemed to be a very far future | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | #topic PTG preparations | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | so, I was mostly going to ask you about maybe some ideas as far as what else we can do to make our PTG more productive/interesting | 16:25 |
| d0ugal | How much time do you have? | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | so, my question is: do you see any other important topics not listed in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-ptg-pike ? | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: what do you mean? | 16:26 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: at the PTG, is it two full days? or? | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | 3 | 16:27 |
| mgershen | it says Feb 20-24, 2017 on the ptg page | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | mgershen: hi, I didn't realize you were here :) | 16:28 |
| mgershen | I didn't say hi. Hi all :) | 16:28 |
| mgershen | https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 16:28 |
| d0ugal | mgershen: I don't think every project has rooms for every day | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | yes, first 2 days are reserved for various horizontal discussions etc | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | so, we can quickly go over these items and make sure that all important things are there | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | after that I'll fill them with more details and make them usable for the PTG | 16:29 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: do we also like to talk about upgradability? | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: can you explain what you mean by that? | 16:30 |
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| ddeja | rakhmerov: I mean the rolling upgrades effort, that many projects took in the past 2 years | 16:31 |
| ddeja | so that they can be live-upgraded | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | what "they"? | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | you mean Mistral components? | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | like engine, api etc. | 16:32 |
| ddeja | well I meant the other project, like nova, cinder etc. | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | yes, I mean.. I know what rolling upgrade is but I heard so many times in different contexts so I'm confused about what specifically you mean | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | you're talking about upgrading what? | 16:34 |
| ddeja | mistral components | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:34 |
| ddeja | (btw, it's not a priority for myself, just it came to my mind when you asked what may be missing ;) | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | so that we have 1 version of Mistral installed and we need to upgrade it to a newer version | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | I see | 16:34 |
| ddeja | yes, and end user should not notice that something is happening ;) | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | I thought maybe you're talking about a WF example that does it for something else | 16:35 |
| ddeja | no no | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | ok, yes | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | well, ok, let's include this | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | but I'm not sure it's a near future for us unless someone new decides to do it | 16:36 |
| ddeja | I think that rather we should discuss if it is needed | 16:36 |
| ddeja | it may be too early | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | that's ok | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | on this one I don't expect us to have a long discussion at the PTG | 16:37 |
| ddeja | OK | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | anything else you'd like to add? | 16:38 |
| ddeja | oh, can we also submit bugs as topics? | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: btw, new RPC | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: sure | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | go ahead | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | whatever is important | 16:38 |
| ddeja | https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1656862 this one | 16:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1656862 in Mistral "MessagingTimeout when run-action is used to run another action" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dawid Deja (dawid-deja-0) | 16:39 |
| ddeja | important and hard to fix :/ | 16:39 |
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| ddeja | rakhmerov: sure, new RPC | 16:39 |
| d0ugal | Could we just detect this and block it? | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: just included the item | 16:39 |
| d0ugal | i.e. solve it by not allowing the behaviour? | 16:39 |
| ddeja | d0ugal: well, that's the idea | 16:40 |
| ddeja | but still it's not easy | 16:40 |
| d0ugal | right | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | can you elaborate? | 16:40 |
| ddeja | (or I'm stupid, but I'd link to think that the problem is complicated ;) | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | why is it not easy? | 16:40 |
| ddeja | I tried to solve it once that way, but I ended up in a place where I needed to write some kind of static analyzer in an API | 16:41 |
| d0ugal | lol | 16:41 |
| ddeja | that would read each requests to see if it's not doing something illegall | 16:42 |
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| d0ugal | scary :) | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | ah, yes | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | sounds scary, yeah | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | ok, then I think it's a good candidate to discuss too | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | maybe we can even extend it to a more generic topic | 16:42 |
| ddeja | I was thinking that we can simply block of usage of mistralclient in executor, but that block too much | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | because I believe we now can do some other crazy things too | 16:43 |
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| ddeja | what kind of crazy things? | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | like what if we have a workflow A that calls workflow B that calls workflow A | 16:43 |
| ddeja | hm | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | under certain conditions we can have a never ending recursion which will keep generating data in DB endlessly | 16:44 |
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| d0ugal | I created an infinite loop in Mistral - that was fun. | 16:44 |
| ddeja | assuming that your server doesn't have inifinite memory, it should kill it | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | it is fun, yes | 16:44 |
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| d0ugal | ddeja: it kept going for me for several days :) | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | I heard an opinion about that: if users are smart they won't shoot their own legs | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | but I disagree | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | things like that can impact the whole Mistral instance and hence other users | 16:45 |
| d0ugal | yeah, it could be a big problem | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: haha :) How much data did you accumulate? | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: can you please add this item? | 16:46 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I forget, I just deleted the VM in the end. | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | into the etherpad | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | or you already did? | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I see | 16:46 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: I've added one about deadlocks in run-action | 16:46 |
| ddeja | let me re-write it | 16:46 |
| sharatss_ | rakhmerov ddeja d0ugal: hi | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | yes, you can re-write it to a more generic topic and specify these two as examples | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss_: hi, how's it going? | 16:47 |
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| d0ugal | het sharatss_ | 16:47 |
| d0ugal | hey* | 16:47 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: done | 16:48 |
| ddeja | hi sharatss_ | 16:48 |
| sharatss_ | rakhmerov: everything's fine. Stuck in traffic :) joined in phone :) | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: ok | 16:48 |
| sharatss_ | i had an idea | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | one specifically important thing (at least I think so) that I'd like to discuss in details is API/CLI v3 | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | maybe I a little bit exaggerate the importance of it but seems high time for this work | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | especially, I'm fed up with our CLI | 16:50 |
| ddeja | BTW, I'm rather pessimistic about me going to Atlanta. But I don't have any official info | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | I find it very inconvenient | 16:50 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: what is the goal/motivation for the new CLI/API? | 16:51 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Is it simply to improve usability? | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: pessimistic? :) you don't want to go or most likely won't go? | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: pretty much usability, yes | 16:51 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: cool, I find it weird to use and explain too :) | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | very stupip CLI commands, hard to remember, human unfriendly | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | like "mistral execution-create" | 16:52 |
| rbrady | +1 | 16:52 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: I'd like to go, but I don't know if I'll be send there | 16:52 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: but do we need a new API to improve the CLI? | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | how a mentally normal person can ever suggest that it starts a workflow | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yes, I see | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: no | 16:52 |
| sharatss_ | rakhmerov: are we having plans to migrate our CLI to openstackclient any time soon? | 16:53 |
| d0ugal | sharatss_: it is already there :) | 16:53 |
| ddeja | what? | 16:53 |
| ddeja | really? | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | so the idea is to start from CLI, come up with useful commands and then work on API too that would allow to implement all those commands | 16:54 |
| d0ugal | sharatss_, ddeja: http://paste.openstack.org/show/595076/ | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | I see API v3 as a revision of all we did in v2 sporadically | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | new endpoints, filters, sorting | 16:54 |
| sharatss_ | d0ugal: i have never used the osc then :( | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | I just want to make it more systematic, logical and consistent | 16:54 |
| ddeja | well, openstack workflow execution create seems OK to me | 16:54 |
| ddeja | and since we should migrate from each project clients to one openstack client... | 16:55 |
| sharatss_ | ddeja: yes. At least it is self explanatory to some extent | 16:55 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: that wont work really | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | like there's "v2/executions" (what kind of executions? we have 3 kinds of them), "v2/tasks" (in fact, executions too but it's not mentioned) and "v2/action_executions" | 16:55 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: openstack client doesn't expose all the features of all the openstack clients | 16:56 |
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| ddeja | right | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ++++ | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yes, d0ugal is 100% right | 16:56 |
| d0ugal | and we also want to keep the Mistral CLI without openstackclient | 16:56 |
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| ddeja | oh yes | 16:57 |
| ddeja | non-openstack deployments | 16:57 |
| d0ugal | yup | 16:57 |
| ddeja | forgotten about it | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | I see openstackclient as one point to access OpenStack capabilities but, it's really limited because it enforces to follow a certain structure | 16:57 |
| d0ugal | So we have a good situation now, we just need to make it easier to use | 16:57 |
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| ddeja | ok, now I can totaly agree | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | I see no problem having our own top-notch CLI with all the cool capabilities and human friendliness and have an osc plugin compliant with its requirements | 16:58 |
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| ddeja | sure | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | if you're only getting familiar with Mistral then osc is probably the way to go | 16:59 |
| sharatss_ | This sounds good | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | if you're using Mistral everyday, go and use the more powerful tool | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I didn't notice that our time is up | 16:59 |
| ddeja | yuo | 16:59 |
| ddeja | yup* | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks for coming | 16:59 |
| ddeja | thanks you very much | 17:00 |
| d0ugal | Thanks! | 17:00 |
| sharatss_ | Thank you | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | have a good week | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | let's try to make the ball rolling faster :) | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | I mean development etc. | 17:00 |
| ddeja | sure | 17:00 |
| sharatss_ | I have few things to discuss. Maybe tomorrow in our channel | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | ooh sharatss_, sorry | 17:00 |
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| rakhmerov | can you quickly mention what they are? | 17:01 |
| d0ugal | if nobody is waiting? | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | just so we don't forget | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: dunno | 17:01 |
| sharatss_ | rakhmerov:. It takes time. We'll have it tomorrow | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | they will tell I guess.. | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss_: ok, I'm open to discuss it tomorrow | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 17:01 |
| ddeja | after an hour everyone can end a meeting ;) | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 16 17:01:51 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-01-16-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-01-16-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-01-16-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
| mgershen | bye | 17:02 |
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| tonyb | #startmeeting stable | 20:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 16 20:59:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'stable' | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:00 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: hey! | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | howdy, stranger! | 21:00 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: We've done a bad job of overlapping | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | it's at least 1/2 my fault :-) | 21:01 |
| tonyb | :) | 21:01 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: Lets talk about your agenda item as it's likley to be just the 2 of us | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | well, that's not going to do me a whole lot of good :-) | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | the idea was to recruit other contributors to do some release reviews, to give you a bit of a break | 21:03 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: you might be surprised. | 21:03 |
| dhellmann | and to flush out the current queue of stable releases | 21:03 |
| dhellmann | but asking you to do that isn't going to lighten your load at all... | 21:03 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: apevec was doign good work late alst year. I'd like to request we loop him in as a (stable) release-core | 21:04 |
| dhellmann | sure, I'll go back and look at his reviews, but I wouldn't expect an issue there | 21:05 |
| * tonyb wonders if that could have had more typos ;P | 21:05 | |
| tonyb | dhellmann: Thanks. | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | the other option we have is to ask the release liaisons to start doing some of these reviews | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | I may go ahead and do that anyway | 21:06 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: you, apevec and myself need to decide what proces works best, do we do somethign like release days or as he and I are in more-or-less opposite timezones do we just do the ones that arrivee wheil we're awake | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | that's a good question | 21:07 |
| tonyb | My hesitation with that is that the stable side of things isn't well understood/regarded and we may miss some stuff | 21:07 |
| dhellmann | scheduling days or even weeks would work for me | 21:07 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: okay. | 21:07 |
| dhellmann | scheduling has worked well for the release team, though we're closer to the same tz as each other | 21:08 |
| tonyb | so step one you verify your happy (or not) to add apevec and then then step 2 is we make a plan for the implementation | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | yep. and step 1.5 is tell the liaisons that their releases will receive preferential treatment if they're also reviewing releases from other teams | 21:09 |
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| tonyb | dhellmann: Yeah the release days things seems to have worked well | 21:09 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: :) I like it | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | I'll run that last item by ttx and dims and see what they think before announcing it | 21:09 |
| * stevemar perks up at the word preferential treatment :P | 21:09 | |
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| tonyb | :) | 21:10 |
| stevemar | (or maybe i was just creeping) | 21:10 |
| dims | stevemar : we did not say keystone :) | 21:10 |
| tonyb | stevemar: you're far from creepy ;P | 21:10 |
| dims | dhellmann : tonyb : +1 let's try those things | 21:11 |
| tonyb | dims: Thanks | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | dims : cool, thanks | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | tonyb : sounds like we have a plan, and that's all I had | 21:12 |
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| tonyb | dhellmann: Cool. | 21:13 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: I'm glad I didn't cancel this meeting last week like I was supposed to ;P | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | heh | 21:14 |
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| tonyb | I think that's probably all there is for today. Unless y'all have more? | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | nothing else here | 21:18 |
| tonyb | smeet | 21:18 |
| * tonyb goes to the conference keynote | 21:18 | |
| tonyb | Thanks everyone | 21:18 |
| tonyb | #endmeeting | 21:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:19 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 16 21:19:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | thanks, tonyb | 21:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2017/stable.2017-01-16-20.59.html | 21:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2017/stable.2017-01-16-20.59.txt | 21:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2017/stable.2017-01-16-20.59.log.html | 21:19 |
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