Wednesday, 2017-01-25

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sridhar_ram#startmeeting tacker05:31
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 25 05:31:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at
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sridhar_ram#topic Roll Call05:31
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sridhar_ramHowdy all !05:31
* gongysh here05:31
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sridhar_ramgongysh: s3wong: diga: hi !05:31
sridhar_ramanyone else ?05:31
gongyshthese days are near chinese spring festeral05:32
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sridhar_ramgongysh: i see, so light crowd that region ?05:32
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gongyshnext meeting I will be absent05:32
sridhar_ramgongysh: okay, noted05:32
sridhar_ramlet's start ...05:33
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sridhar_ramtbh: xuhaiwei: hi05:33
xuhaiweihi sridhar_ram05:33
sridhar_ram#topic Announcements05:33
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sridhar_ramFor the folks who might have missed, I'm not running for Pike PTL...05:34
gongyshsridhar_ram, we need you05:35
sridhar_ramgongysh has announced his candidacy05:35
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sridhar_ramgongysh: thanks for stepping up !05:35
sridhar_ramgongysh: i'm not going anywhere, will be around05:36
gongyshsridhar_ram, thanks05:36
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sridhar_ramRegarding team changes I've proposed few changed to the core team...05:36
digasridhar_ram: Thanks for your leadership in Takcer projects.05:37
sridhar_rams3wong: thanks for all your support so far .. your guidance is much appreciated05:37
s3wongsridhar_ram: it has been a great ride --- hopefully I will be able to get back to more actively contribute to project05:38
sridhar_ramnot many here would know, s3wong is the one who submitted the vancouver talk submission that resurrected Tacker towards NFV Orchestration05:38
gongyshs3wong,  thanks for the long support on this project.05:38
sridhar_rams3wong: absolutely, would be glad to see you more active in this project05:38
s3wongsridhar_ram, gongysh: no problem. Great to see the project thriving after that talk --- much of it of course was due to sridhar_ram's leadership05:39
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tbhs3wong, great work. would like to see you again active in Tacker05:39
sridhar_rams3wong: means a lots, thanks.. but mine pales compared to many, many hours spent by the contributors ...05:40
s3wongtbh: Thanks!05:40
sridhar_ramdkushwaha is not here to give a shout out.. we can save it for next time05:40
sridhar_ram#info Ocata tackerclient 0.9.0 is release05:41
sridhar_ramthanks for everyone who helped to make this deadline comfortably05:41
gongyshsridhar_ram, cannot we release tackerclient at our comfortable time?05:42
sridhar_ramnote, stable/ocata is pulled for python-tackerclient.. any last minute tackerclient fix need to go to master and cherrypicked to stable/ocata05:42
gongyshfor examale 0.9.1  0.9.2 xxx05:42
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sridhar_ramgongysh: tacker is marked as "cycle-with-intermediary" .. so we got to make a release co-inciding with the milestone deadline05:43
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dkushwahasorry for late05:43
sridhar_ramgongysh: we still can make 0.9.1, 0.9.2, etc as bug fix releases .. but there are lots of restrictions as it comes under the openstack stable team05:44
sridhar_ramgongysh: basically, no new features, no requirements or db schema change, etc05:44
sridhar_ramdkushwaha: howdy!05:44
sridhar_ramgongysh: once the election is over, i'll walk you w/ the release process05:45
gongyshsridhar_ram, got it. thanks05:45
sridhar_ramdkushwaha: in case you missed, I've proposed you to join the core-team.. thanks for your efforts05:46
sridhar_ramlast announcement...05:46
dkushwahasridhar_ram, Just checked mails. Thanks for proposing me as core member05:46
tbhcongrats dkushwaha05:47
dkushwahasridhar_ram, It encourage me to work harder. I will try to do my best for Tacker05:47
gongyshdkushwaha, you deserve it. thanks05:47
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dkushwahatbh, thanks buddy :)05:47
sridhar_ramdkushwaha: you are doing great, keep it up !05:47
dkushwahagongysh, thanks05:47
xuhaiweidkushwaha: congrets05:47
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sridhar_ram#info OpenStack Summit Boston Presentation Submission deadline - UNTIL 11:59PM PST ON FEBRUARY 6, 2017 (7:59 ON FEBRUARY 7, 2017 UTC)05:48
dkushwahaxuhaiwei, Thanks Xu San05:48
sridhar_ramFolks - please start thinking about talk submissions related to tacker for Boston summit..05:48
digas3wong: dkushwaha gongysh : All the best for election!05:48
xuhaiweisridhar_ram: I have registered a proposal about using Senlin for tacker vnf auto-scaling and HA05:49
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sridhar_ramplease collaborate to co-present as many talks submissions as possible05:49
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sridhar_ramxuhaiwei: wonderful ! mark it for cross-project05:49
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xuhaiweisridhar_ram: ok05:50
sridhar_ramthat's one loong announcement05:50
sridhar_rammoving on05:50
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sridhar_ram#topic Ocata Status05:50
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sridhar_ram#topic NSD05:50
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sridhar_ramdkushwaha: tbh: what is pending for NSD ?05:50
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tbhsridhar_ram, api_ref is pending, I am planning seperate PS and  not to add in present patch05:51
dkushwahasridhar_ram, I have to write more test cases. I am planning it in follow-up patches.05:52
gongyshI will +2 if the functional test CI passed and I have tested it mannually.05:52
sridhar_ramtbh: make sense to have a separate PS05:52
sridhar_ramdkushwaha: okay05:52
tbhsridhar_ram, can I push patch to revert novaclient changes?05:52
sridhar_ramtbh: dkushwaha: please use the work-items listed in as the checklist05:53
tbhgongysh, FTs are failing because of recent change in novaclient, need to revert that05:53
sridhar_ramtbh: yes, we need a clean run for NSD ps to merge..05:53
sridhar_ramoverall nice progress!05:53
tbhsridhar_ram, cores need review for tacker horizon patch for nsd05:54
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sridhar_ramgongysh: once you +2 i'll merge it and include it in the intermediary release of tacker and tacker-horizon (EOD Wed)05:54
sridhar_ramtbh: okay, it will be good to wrap nsd horizon by tomorrow as well..05:55
sridhar_ramtbh: will review it05:55
tbhsridhar_ram, thanks!05:55
gongyshsridhar_ram, EOD Wed, one day left?05:55
sridhar_ramgongysh: yes :)05:55
* gongysh is pushed tight05:56
sridhar_ramgongysh: this is just intermediate release, not the final Ocata release .. consider it a "preview" release05:56
sridhar_ramgongysh: no worries, some else can review the tacker-horizon part .. we still have room (2 - 3 weeks) for bug fixes and api-ref before the final release05:57
sridhar_ramtbh: dkushwaha: please flag any issues related to NSD early.. it is one of the marquee features of Ocata05:58
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sridhar_ram#topic inline vnf template05:58
tbhsridhar_ram, sure05:58
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gongyshtbh, do you have link for nova change that is blocking our FT CI?05:58
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sridhar_ramjchhatbar: howdy, can you give an update on ?05:59
tbhsridhar_ram, recently pushed change for novaclient change in 7.0.006:00
tbhgongysh, ^^06:00
tbhgongysh, but not novaclient 7.0.0 is blacklisted... so need to revert this06:00
sridhar_ramtbh: i'm still baffled a bit, i was expecting even the older novaclient shd accept named params..06:01
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sridhar_ramjanki: hi..!06:02
sridhar_ramjanki: can you give an update on ?06:02
jankisridhar_ram, hey. sorry got disconnected06:02
jankiare we still on the topic or should I update later?06:02
sridhar_ramjanki: np, still in your topic.. u rejoined just in time06:03
jankiyes. I am waiting for few more reviews to submit a revised patch.06:03
jankisridhar_ram, the current patch throws proper error in case of wrong network06:03
sridhar_ramjanki: FT still failing ?06:03
sridhar_ramjanki: cool...06:04
janki1. $ tacker vnf-create vnf-error1 --vnfd-template ~/error-template.yaml06:04
janki   ERROR: Property error: : : Error validating value 'unknown_net_blah': Unable to find network with  name or id 'unknown_net_blah'06:04
jankinone of the fts failing for me06:04
tbhsridhar_ram, yup, will check that in old novaclient06:04
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jankisridhar_ram, for rest of the -ve cases we discussed, they are not incorporated for the traditional vnf creation way06:04
jankiso I think those should come in as separate patch for both the vnf creation ways06:05
jankisridhar_ram, secondly i will have to Update spec acc. to the implementaion once this gets merged06:06
sridhar_ramjanki: okay, at least can you do some manual tests to gain some confidence .. it would also help to open a RFE bug to add func test for negative cases for onboarded and inline vnfs06:06
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jankiI have the horizon patch ready. will submit EOD06:06
jankisridhar_ram, will do06:06
jankisridhar_ram, a guide doc is needed?06:07
sridhar_ramjanki: I don't think we need a separate doc, this is an incremental feature .. you shd find a place to the current doc to add this new option06:08
gongyshjanki, guide doc is always welcome.06:08
jankisridhar_ram, gongysh will add it at appropriate place.06:08
jankigongysh, regarding your comment to delete vnfd along the transaction, I think it should be outside the transaction06:09
jankigongysh, as delete_vnfd is an additional fucntionality to be done after vnf celete is fully complete06:09
sridhar_ramgongysh: on that note, we have a proliferation of lots of granular user guide ..
jankigongysh, also transaction is db transaction right (plz correct me if I am wrong) so lets separate delete_vnfd (being an additional feature) from the db stuff06:10
sridhar_ramgongysh:  we need to plan a doc refactoring in Pike06:10
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jankigongysh, sridhar_ram tbh your thoughts on ^06:11
gongyshsridhar_ram,  agreed.06:11
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gongyshjanki, let me discuss it on review.06:12
sridhar_ramjanki: i haven't closely looked on this db transaction scope to comment..06:12
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jankigongysh, sure06:12
jankisridhar_ram, ack06:12
sridhar_ramnext topic ..06:12
sridhar_ram#topic VNFC support06:13
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sridhar_ramtbh: can you provide a quick status?06:13
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tbhsridhar_ram, addressed your comments on the latest patch.. but couldn't find a way for building/hosting the image06:13
sridhar_ramtbh: hmm, the digital ocean fedora image doesn't contain heat-agent ?06:14
tbhsridhar_ram, #link vnfc:
tbhsridhar_ram, any link for that?06:15
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sridhar_ramtbh: the one KanagarajM shared last week06:15
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* sridhar_ram doesn't have it handy :(06:15
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gongyshtbh, it means we will have to contain diskimage build scripts in our tacker projects?06:16
tbhsridhar_ram, is it digital ocean image, but I remember kanagaraj gave a link to an image...but that doesn't have heat-agent06:16
sridhar_ramtbh: here it is ..
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tbhsridhar_ram, yup this one doesn't contain heat-agent06:17
sridhar_ramgongysh: in short yes... AFAIU diskimage need to be built as part of every gate test run .. too costly06:17
sridhar_ramthe best option would be do it once and host it some where..06:18
sridhar_ramtbh: can't we create a github repo and push a qcow2 image with heat-agent ?06:18
tbhgongysh, but diskimage build scripts will also fedora image06:19
tbhsridhar_ram, I am planning like this
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tbhsridhar_ram, yup to push qcow2 to a git repo06:19
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gongyshtbh, we can put diskimage build script in tacker, but with the result image in github.06:20
sridhar_ramtbh: the downside the github repo will be "owned" by an individual..06:20
sridhar_ramgongysh: +206:20
gongyshtbh, the result image will host heat-agent.06:20
sridhar_ramgongysh: the process can be documented and scripted in tacker repo, the resulting image could be in a private github repo..06:21
gongyshsridhar_ram,  yes.06:22
sridhar_ramit would be nice if that image can be storaged locally withing OpenStack CI cloud.. but in the absense of that we can go across internet to github06:22
sridhar_ramnot sure if infra team will like this, but atleast this will be *a* solution06:22
* sridhar_ram notes 8mins left06:22
sridhar_ramtbh: please proceed w/ this solution for now06:23
tbhgongysh, sridhar_ram what exactly we mean by diskimage build scripts here ... and we contacted CI team, they are not ready to host any image06:23
sridhar_ramtbh: gongysh have you used diskimage builder scripts ?06:24
gongyshtbh,  do you have qcow2 image with heat-agent?06:25
sridhar_ramfolks - let's take this offline in the review ..06:25
tbhsridhar_ram, gongysh yes06:25
sridhar_rami've couple of quick things shout out...06:25
sridhar_ramtbh: okay ?06:25
gongyshsridhar_ram move on06:25
tbhsridhar_ram, sure06:25
sridhar_ram#topic Pike PTG Virtual Meetup06:26
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sridhar_ramWe had decided to meet virtually for Pike Project Team Gathering...06:26
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sridhar_ramthis needs to happen to coincide with
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sridhar_ramFeb 20-24, 201706:27
sridhar_ramI have started an etherpad to collect topics here .. vvvv06:27
sridhar_ramplease add topic of interest here and sign up for sub-tracks to present / lead06:28
sridhar_ramgood oppurtunity to lead and be visible :)06:28
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digasridhar_ram: we can add api-framework also in there06:29
sridhar_ramI'll send a doodle invite to pick the best slot06:29
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sridhar_ramdiga: sure, go ahead and add it please06:29
digasridhar_ram: yes06:29
sridhar_ram#topic Open Discussion06:29
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sridhar_ramwe are out of time for today..06:30
sridhar_ramthanks everyone!06:30
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ramishra#startmeeting heat08:00
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ramishra#topic roll call08:00
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ramishra#topic adding items to agenda08:02
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ramishra#topic ocata-3 status08:03
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ramishraI think we should land before doing the release08:04
therveIt's just awful to review08:05
ramishrazaneb has reviewed it. I've looked at it too. cwolferh is still around to answer if there are any questions.08:05
ramishraI think all other bugs I would either move to rc1 or pike-1, if they don't get reviewed in a few hours.08:07
ramishraAre we ok with it?08:07
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ricolinI think so :)08:07
ramishra patch should land soon.08:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1570576 in heat "After updating a stack stuck IN_PROGRESS, resources will be permanently stuck IN_PROGRESS" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Tanvir Talukder (tanvirt16)08:08
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ramishramay be we should finish the meeting soon and then spend some time reviewing:)08:09
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prazumovskyhi! sorry for late08:10
ramishraIf anyone wants to land something in o-3 please speak up and ask for reviews, though reviewers may not oblige;)08:11
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ricolinI'm find with land on next release:)08:12
prazumovsky from me, i push fix since last comments:)08:12
ramishraprazumovsky: I'll check that08:13
ramishra#topic open discussion08:13
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elynn I would like this in.08:13
elynnPlease help review :)08:14
prazumovskyDoes anyone have troubles with local pep8?08:14
prazumovskyI have two errors with _ in module08:14
ramishraelynn: it does link to a bug or a spect-lite and not targeted to o-3. Therefore no one looked at it.08:14
elynndidn't met pep8 error.08:15
ricolinprazumovsky: will rebuild your requirement works?08:15
prazumovskyyes, full rebuild08:15
elynnramishra it's a spec-lite, i didn't fire a bug for it.08:15
prazumovskyall requirements/test-req.., clean compiled and so one08:15
prazumovskyoh... "on", i mean08:15
elynnAdd a new attribute to senlin cluster resource.08:16
therveelynn, spec-lite means bug08:16
therveNot that it's necessary here08:16
therveJust harder to track08:16
prazumovskyI pushed commit but want to know about another contributors and local pep8, because gate successfully passed08:16
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ricolinand yes08:19
ricolinnew pep8 break...08:19
ramishratherve: Will do the 1.0.0 release for heat-agents.08:19
therveramishra, 1.0.0b3 no?08:19
therveI wonder what the scheme should be08:19
ramishraI thought we would treat it as a library?08:20
therveI don't know08:20
ramishrawho can answer that:)08:20
elynntherve, ramishra I fire a spec-lite please help to set the target :)08:21
openstackLaunchpad bug 1659204 in heat "Add 'collect' attribute to senlin cluster resource" [Undecided,New]08:21
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ramishraelynn: targeted to o-3 for now.08:22
ramishraanything else? Would be good if more can review the resource_properties_data patch, if possible08:24
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cwolferha note about ^^ there is probably room for performance improvements in the above, but want to get solid base functionality by the freeze.08:25
ramishraok, let's move back to #heat and spend rest of the time reviewing;)08:26
ramishrathank you all08:26
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smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:00
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smcginnisping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
smcginniswxy viks ketonne16:00
diablo_rojo_phonHello :)16:00
smcginnis#topic Announcements16:01
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smcginnisThe usual...16:01
smcginnis#link Review focus16:01
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smcginnisClient freeze is tomorrow.16:01
smcginnisjgriffith: Are you around?16:01
smcginnisOr anyone know the status of attach/detach in the client?16:01
ildikovsmcginnis: there are a few things that would need to be fixed there16:02
scottdaThat's client attach/detach ^^16:02
ildikovsmcginnis: I can upload a new patch set in case jgriffith is not around to do it16:02
ildikovsmcginnis: I will check with him16:02
smcginnisscottda: Thanks. I was hoping I had the wrong link for that one given it's current state. ;)16:02
smcginnisildikov: Thank you!16:02
scottdayeah, doesn't look like it will be ready tomorrow...16:03
ildikovsmcginnis: by when do you need the new version?16:03
scottdaBut, that only matters if Nova were ready to use it, right?16:03
ildikovsmcginnis: besides yesterday :D16:03
scottdasmcginnis: WE can always release the client .16:03
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smcginnisildikov, scottda: Client freeze for Ocata is tomorrow. But yeah, we can always release a new client as soon as the freeze is over.16:03
ildikovscottda: true, although I need the updated version for testing anyway, more convenient than do it locally all the time16:03
smcginnisSo maybe not a big deal.16:03
erlonsmcginnis: eharney: what about the NFS patch do you think it can be ready until tomorrow?16:03
jgriffithsmcginnis I am now :)16:04
smcginnisjgriffith: Morning!16:04
jgriffithsmcginnis hey16:04
hemnaI'm assuming the client work also works for the older attach scenario in case the newer client is talking to an older cinder16:04
jgriffithsmcginnis yeah, sorry about the client; I'll get that fixed up today16:04
smcginnisjgriffith: Awesome16:04
jgriffithhemna it *works* but needs a few things in terms of clean up16:04
smcginnisCinder statement in general ^^16:05
e0nehemna: +1. we have to support both attach APIs for a while16:05
duleksmcginnis: :D16:05
e0nesmcginnis: lol16:05
ildikovjgriffith: it mostly works :)16:05
jgriffithildikov emphasis on *mostly* :)16:05
erlon* works for me *16:05
ildikovjgriffith: reading my mind :)16:05
jgriffitherlon in that case my work here is done16:05
hemnalots of 3rd party CI's are failing today.....16:05
erlonjgriffith: :)16:06
smcginnishemna: Not just today. :/16:06
ildikoverlon: don't discourage people from work! ;)16:06
e0nehemna: I'm afraid not only today :(16:06
smcginnisBut we can talk more about that if we have time for open discussion.16:06
jgriffithhemna yeah, I am looking at some of those the past few days, seeing issues with snapshot object has no id member, and a number of other weird things16:06
smcginnis#info Need to register for the PTG if you have not already done so.16:06
eharneyerlon: i think we should land it16:06
smcginnis#link PTG info and registration16:06
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diablo_rojo_phonLess than 50 spots left I believe16:07
dulekdiablo_rojo_phon: Do you have an estimate how much rooms in reserved block are left?16:07
smcginnisI heard registration was getting close to capacity. Please don't wait too long if you were holding off registering.16:07
smcginnisdiablo_rojo_phon: Thanks!16:07
dulekdiablo_rojo_phon: 41 actually.16:07
diablo_rojo_phonRoom block there is still a lot of space.16:07
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smcginnis#link PTG topic planning16:07
dulekdiablo_rojo_phon: Awesome, my reservation can wait till tomorrow. :)16:07
diablo_rojo_phondulek thanks :)16:07
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smcginnisWhether attending in person or not, please add any topics to the etherpad.16:07
diablo_rojo_phondulek haha yes it can :)16:08
erloneharney: great, I asked geguileo to have a look, any other cores, if possible please give a look:
jungleboyjdiablo_rojo_phon, How bad on the rooms?16:08
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diablo_rojo_phonjungleboyj: as far as I know it's not a whole lot better than last week.16:09
smcginnis#link Summit CFP16:09
smcginnisA couple more weeks left on submitting presentation topics.16:09
smcginnisThat ends Feb 6 I believe.16:09
Swansoncarry on16:10
smcginnisSwanson: No Trump tweets in the meeting room! :)16:10
jungleboyjdiablo_rojo_phon, Ok, thanks.  I think I will be using my room.16:10
smcginnis#topic Cinder in-tree tests running on tempest16:10
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smcginniserlon: Hey16:10
hemnaSwanson, yup.  I just got a room directly with the hotel.  way cheaper16:10
erlonsmcginnis: hey16:10
erlonso, I was discussing with oomichi, from QA about the in-tree tests16:11
diablo_rojo_phonjungleboyj: sweet :) Get your other Lenovo friends to do the same :)16:11
jgriffithjungleboyj there's a nice park-bench across from the hotel with your name on it, just use that16:11
erlonhe is not a fan of changing the core jobs for adding our in-tree tests16:11
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jgriffitherlon any reasoning that he gave?16:12
erlonjust, remembering, the ideia was to have our intree tests running in all cinder related jobs so, any tests that we added in-tree would have the same weight of the temepst tests16:12
smcginnis#link Patches related16:12
smcginnis#link Run Cinder in-tree tests: neutron-full16:12
erlonjgriffith: the reasoon is that the in-tree tets are not for official/core features in other projects16:13
jgriffithsmcginnis thanks16:13
eharneydo we run things like the neutron in-tree tests in our base cinder test jobs?16:13
jungleboyjjgriffith, I have been to that hotel, no way I am going on a park bench.16:13
erlonand that could interefer in the normal behaviour of the job16:13
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dulekerlon: Couldn't we template it a way that in-tree will run only in openstack/cinder?16:13
eharneywe don't have many in-tree tempest tests yet, so it seems to me we should just focus on enabling them for cinder jobs and worry about other project jobs later16:13
erloneharney: what do they do in neutron?16:14
smcginnisdulek: I found with trying to get driverfixes/mitaka set up, the control over when/where to run tests is really... limited.16:14
eharneyno idea16:14
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e0neeharney: +116:14
smcginnisI'd mainly like to make sure in-tree tests are being run by third party CI.16:14
erlondulek: I think its possible but that would require to change the shared jobs16:14
erlondulek: if you see the list, that neutron job is the only one that is shared among other projecs16:15
erlonhmm, othe problem was that the neutron job is shared among other projects16:15
erlonmay be an option would be to leave it without the intree tests and change only the ones that are not shared16:16
smcginniserlon: Might be a good compromise.16:16
e0neerlon: can it bw configurable via some env variables or devstack config per project?16:17
erlonsmcginnis: I believe that by default all CIs run the plugins16:17
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erlonsmcginnis: have to check though16:17
jgriffithI hate to mention this again; but I thought we were in fact going to focus on jobs that ran *just* cinder without anything else first?16:17
smcginniserlon: Third party? Not by default. They need to use the all_plugins target.16:17
jgriffithnot sure if that's the same thing eharney is pointing out or not16:17
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jgriffithor if I'm just missing the boat again here (which is quite possible)16:18
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smcginnisjgriffith: I think you are correct, that's what I remember talking about in FC.16:18
erlonsmcginnis: hmmm16:18
erlonsmcginnis: in the past thingee pratol the Cis checking eachone were running the 276 tests :)16:19
jgriffitherlon seems like a fulfilling career :)16:19
erlonsmcginnis: so, that could be an option16:19
erlonjgriffith: haha16:19
jgriffithwonder if we could write a bot to do that sort of thing periodically rather than relying on a human which is valuable for other things16:20
scottda+1 to erlon patrolling the CIs16:20
eharneyjgriffith: ooh, meta-CI to test CIs16:20
jgriffitheharney :)16:20
erlonsmcginnis: scottda: haha, I would defenetelly automate that16:20
e0nejgriffith: fyi, I can't get it reviewed since September:(16:20
e0nejgriffith: it's about testing only cinder w/o backends or something else16:21
jgriffithe0ne omg!  I'm sorry!!!16:21
erlonscottda: smcginnis: but having the Cis running the in-tree tests would be very good16:21
hemnae0ne, rebase?16:21
erlonscottda: I can help with that16:21
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e0nehemna: hm... not a bad idea... done16:21
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smcginniserlon: So for now, hold off on those set of patches I think?16:22
erlonsmcginnis: I think only the neutron?16:22
erlonscottda: which is share16:23
smcginniserlon: Sure16:23
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erlonsmcginnis: the other ones are only used by cinder, so, ifwe decide to have then changed it will find less resistence16:23
smcginniserlon: OK, good. Anything else needed to discuss in the meeting for now?16:24
erlonsmcginnis: ok then, ill talk to then16:24
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erlonsmcginnis: im fine16:24
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smcginniserlon: Thank you.16:24
smcginnis#topic Generating support matrix/report16:24
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smcginnisWe have a couple porposed options for reporting what optional features are supported by drivers.16:24
smcginnisOne is to generate a table like we have now in our wiki.16:24
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smcginnis#link Feature matrix proposal16:25
smcginnisThe other approach is to add it to the driver list:16:25
smcginnis#link Replication patch16:25
smcginnis#link A/A support16:25
hemnaugh ABC classes16:25
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smcginnisI guess they are not really competing. We could do both.16:25
smcginnisMy only concern is that driver list already has a _lot_ of data.16:25
eharneywe're getting rid of the ABC classes.16:25
geguileosmcginnis: I think we should do only one16:26
erlonsmcginnis: do you have an output sample of the first?16:26
jungleboyjeharney, I think that was the case.16:26
erloneharney: +116:26
geguileosmcginnis: Otherwise one of them will be eventually out of date16:26
smcginnisgeguileo: +1 that would be my preference.16:26
hemnaif that patch lands we can't get rid of the ABC stuff :(16:26
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jungleboyjgeguileo, +1.  Don't need duplication.16:26
geguileosmcginnis: Or maybe even both be out of date16:26
smcginnishemna: No, it's slightly different using the interface work.16:26
erlongood would be if there was a way to merge the sphinx concept with the data from the driver_list16:26
jungleboyjIf we are doing the driver matrix though, we need a better solution than we currently have.16:26
diablo_rojo_phongeguileo: +116:26
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jungleboyjHaving something automatically updated would be good.16:27
geguileoerlon: That sounds like a good ide16:27
hemnasmcginnis, the patch says it's using the ABC classes to determine the what features they support16:27
diablo_rojo_phonjungleboyj: truth. Cause we suck at remembering to update things.16:27
smcginnishemna: Oh, which one?16:27
jungleboyjdiablo_rojo_phon, ++16:27
xyangsmcginnis: I thought Nova has something to detect the driver feature too, is this first patch using a different approach?16:27
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smcginnishemna: Oh, that's the interface stuff. It uses ABC, but it's not the ABC mess we are trying to get rid of.16:28
smcginnisxyang: Yeah, nova does generate a table somewhere in a similar way.16:28
hemnahaven't looked at the code yet, but if that's the case he should remove any mention of ABC :)16:28
xyangsmcginnis: ok16:28
hemnaABC is a 4 letter word16:28
jungleboyjxyang, I think the one that generates the matrix is like what Nova is doing.16:28
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smcginnishemna: ;)16:28
xyangjungleboyj: thanks16:28
jungleboyjhemna, ABCx16:29
erlonsmcginnis: and then we can release the matrix with the release notes16:29
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smcginnishemna: At least the interfaces hide it.16:29
smcginniserlon: That's a good idea.16:29
diablo_rojo_phonerlon: +116:29
hemnathe general idea is good.  would be nice to have that matrix updated every release automagically16:29
e0neerlon: +116:29
smcginnisUnfortunately it looks like the patch for the matrix is old enough now that the output is gone, so can't see an example of what that looks like.16:29
xyanghemna: +1.  time to get rid of the manually created support matrix on wiki which is completely outdated16:30
smcginnisSo I was hoping to get a feel from the group if we wanted to go the matrix route or add info to the driver list. Or both. But hopefully one or the other.16:30
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diablo_rojo_phonMy vote is matrix16:31
xyangsmcginnis: I like the idea of generating the matrix automatically16:31
erlonmy vote is the merge of both16:31
diablo_rojo_phonxyang +116:31
geguileosmcginnis: I vote for Matrix16:31
erlonsphinx + driver_list output16:31
jungleboyjsmcginnis, I do use the matrix frequently.  So, it makes sense to go that route.16:31
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dulekThis matrix patch was based on how Nove exposes it. Consistency is good, so automated matrix makes total sense to me.16:32
erlonsmcginnis: is it possible to make the driver list to generate the supported/optional features of each driver?16:32
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smcginniserlon: OK, option 3 - keep the driver list as is so it's easy to just see what drivers are available, and add another page that does something similar but lists all drivers with their supported functionality.16:32
smcginniserlon: That is what the two patches are proposing.16:33
jungleboyjsmcginnis, What is the existing driver list?16:33
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xyangsmcginnis: looks like I didn't get what the first patch does:).  Does it show what features a particular driver support?16:33
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smcginnisI'd actually eventually like that published somewhere other than under "developer" documentation, but it's a start.16:33
geguileoMy patches were adding the HA A/A support and replication info16:33
geguileosmcginnis: +116:34
smcginnisxyang: Yeah. I don't have an example of that output though.16:34
jungleboyjsmcginnis, Oh, thanks.  I didn't realize we had that.16:34
jungleboyjThat is automatically generated as well?16:34
smcginnisjungleboyj: Yep.16:34
rajinirSorting is messed up in
xyangsmcginnis: so the output would be similar to this (which is outdated right not)?16:34
jungleboyjSweet.  Could we set that up to have a link to the more detailed matrix?16:34
smcginnisjungleboyj: Can also run a script to get json output of driver information as well for custom scripting. Pretty handy.16:34
dulekxyang: Yeah, it's similar.16:34
dulekHere how it looks like in NOva:
smcginnisxyang: Similar. It had a little different grouping and layout, but basically that idea, but automatically generated.16:35
dulekCinder's version was very similar.16:35
xyangsmcginnis: excellent!16:35
smcginnisdulek: +1 thanks!16:35
smcginnisOK, it sounds like in general we want to go the matrix route. So we should get some attention on that first proposal.16:36
xyangdulek: I like it!16:36
erlonscottda: this nova matrix is pretty neat!16:36
jgriffithAsk Neo how neat the matrix ends up being16:36
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jgriffithoh wait... different matrix :)16:37
jungleboyjSo, I think having the matrix like Nova is good and keep the general list.  Add a link from the list to the matrix16:37
smcginnisThat's all from me - just wanted to bring that up.16:37
jungleboyjThe link shoud be a little blue pill for the link.16:37
smcginnisjungleboyj: Link from one to the other would be good.16:37
erlonsmcginnis: how about the matrix dependency of ABC?16:37
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dulekOh, BTW - guy behind the matrix patch no longer works in Cinder, I think. karthikp_, can you confirm?16:37
smcginnisIt's the interface ABC's I think, so that is good. That's the way we want to go and get rid of the ABC inheritance in the drivers.16:38
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karthikp_dulek: thats right... But I could check with if he wants to continue with that work16:38
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smcginniskarthikp_: Thanks. We can pick up where he left off if he's not able to continue.16:38
karthikp_smcginnis: Sure ..I will check with him16:39
smcginnis#info We want to generate a driver support matrix like Nova has.16:39
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smcginnis#info Will pick up the patch to work toward that.16:39
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smcginnis#topic Different approaches for cinderclient extensions16:39
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smcginnise0ne: Let's move on to this one then..16:40
e0nethanks, smcginnis16:40
e0neso, all info is available in meeting agenda16:40
e0newe've got different solutions for cinderclient extensions now:(16:40
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e0neI'm trying to fix noauth support in cinderclient16:41
smcginnisI think we have "in-tree" extensions, and out of tree (brick) extensions, right?16:41
e0nebut current auth plugins implementation is totally broken16:41
geguileoe0ne: I have a hack for that, but I think we should do a proper fix16:41
jgriffithe0ne so personally; I would like to see us just move to a contrib directory model only16:41
smcginnisjgriffith: So kill brick-ext and move that to contrib?16:42
e0nejgriffith: TBH, I'm ready to implement any working and general solution16:42
geguileoe0ne: I think we should use the keystone entrypoints mechanism16:42
jgriffithe0ne and I'd like it to be such that we don't care if it's in tree or out (ie people can load extensions into the contrib directory on their own afer the fact)16:42
jgriffithotherwise, they're not really useful IMO16:42
e0negeguileo: I don't get your point about keystone entry points16:42
geguileoe0ne: I think keystone client has a mechanism for different auths16:43
geguileoe0ne: Other projects like gnocchi are using it16:43
e0nejgriffith: but what soulution should be used? stevedore or just import module like brickclient-ext works?16:43
jgriffithgeguileo that hasn't worked out really well for us in the past, might be better now but something to consider16:43
e0negeguileo: noauth is onlly one use-case of extensions16:44
geguileojgriffith: I looked at our current code in there and it's a mess16:44
jgriffithe0ne Personally I prefer the "just import everything" in the dir16:44
geguileoe0ne: Yeah, that's why I propose the keystone way16:44
smcginnis#link Noauth bug16:44
openstackLaunchpad bug 1657156 in python-cinderclient "cinderclient does not support noauth" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ivan Kolodyazhny (e0ne)16:44
geguileoe0ne: Because it solves a lot more cases16:44
e0nejgriffith: +1 it's not complicated and works well16:44
jgriffithe0ne and provide a config mechanism to enable/disable by tenant or role16:44
jgriffithgeguileo yeah it's not pretty16:45
geguileojgriffith: And it cannot be extended16:45
smcginnisIIRC, there were some different requirements with brick-ext that was a reason to make it a separately installable extension.16:45
jgriffithgeguileo and I know you could/would fix it up, but i'm not sure it's a good use of your time frankly16:45
geguileoAnd everything is ad-hoc16:45
e0nejgriffith: looks like I have to write a spec for it16:45
jgriffithgeguileo oh, wait... we might be talking two things :)16:45
scottdasmcginnis: I think that was because of openstack client...16:45
geguileoI just pushed my hack to support noauth:
smcginnisscottda: Hmm, I thought that was before we really started talking about osc.16:46
smcginnisBut that does bring a whole set of concerns as well.16:46
scottdasmcginnis: Having brick-ext separate was to facilitate moving cinderclient functionality to OSC16:46
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bswartzgeguileo: +116:46
smcginnisscottda: Oh, OK.16:46
e0nedid we agreed to have in-tree extensions in a conrtib directory?16:47
smcginnise0ne: That sounds good to me.16:47
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geguileoIf we want to move to OSC, maybe we should just go with a hack for noauth and forget about extensions and stuff...16:48
scottdageguileo: I'm not sure we want to move this to OSC...16:48
hemnais OSC going to allow cinder specific extensions ?16:48
e0negeguileo: no, because OSC can use cinderclient extensions too16:48
hemnalike brick-ext16:48
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scottdageguileo: I think the evolution of this was to someday have stand-alone Cinder16:48
scottdageguileo: With no dependency on Nova nor Keystone.16:49
smcginnishemna: I think that needs to be figured out yet.16:49
geguileoe0ne: Sure, but if osc supports keystone auth extensions we can do noauth easily16:49
scottdaIn which case, we don't necessarily want OSC dependency.16:49
geguileoscottda: You can do standalone cinder with openstack client16:49
e0negeguileo: I'm talking about cinderclient extensions in general, not anly about noauth16:49
scottdageguileo: Sure16:49
geguileoscottda: You just use the right auth and it should work16:49
hemnageguileo, osc can do noauth?16:49
jgriffithscottda plan for the future, some day cinderclient goes away and there is only osc16:49
geguileohemna: probably16:50
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geguileohemna: using keystone auth plugin mechanism16:50
scottdaok, it seems that there were some issues around how OSC dealt with all this that was  why we are down that path..16:50
e0nejgriffith, scottda: cinderclient CLI. cinderclient will be available16:50
smcginnise0ne: +1 important distinction16:50
geguileoSo what I'm hearing here is that we'll never move to OSC16:50
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scottdano, I'm not saying that.16:51
bswartzmy dream is that cinderclient never goes away16:51
geguileoI'm fine with that, but then it makes sense to properly fix our client16:51
e0neand cinderclient extenstion could provide both new Python and CLI APIs16:51
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scottdaI'm saying that there were issues when we first added brick-ext.16:51
smcginnisgeguileo: We're not going to only osc anywhere in the short term, so I thing we need to make sure our client is good.16:51
jgriffithe0ne true16:51
scottdaBut I'm not certain I can articulate the issues. They were not my personal issues.16:51
geguileosmcginnis: OK, then we need a big refactor in cinderclient/shell.py16:52
e0neI didn't find any cinderclient extension on pypi16:52
scottdageguileo: +1 to cleaning up the client16:52
scottdaand shell16:52
e0nebut there are some for novaclient16:52
e0nescottda, geguileo: +1. I working on it during  this release16:53
scottdae0ne yes, thanks for that.16:53
e0ne#link example of novaclient extensions
e0nescottda: thanks for reviews16:53
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smcginnis7 minutes left...16:53
geguileoHere is what I was talking about the keystone auth plugin:
e0nesmcginnis: we can  switch to the next topic16:54
geguileoYou can see there that using that we could do noauth and all available auths in keystone16:54
smcginnise0ne: Thanks16:54
smcginnis#topic Snapshot-manage imports snapshots with wrong size16:54
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smcginnismdovgal: You're up.16:54
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1623596 in Cinder "snapshot-manage imports snapshots with wrong size" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Michael Dovgal (mdovgal)16:55
e0negeguileo: thanks. I'll take a look on it and your workaround later tonight16:55
mdovgalwe have the problem that in snapshot db table the size column is called volume_size16:55
e0nefor note: I prefer option #216:56
erlonmdovgal: Im fine with the name,, because it 'was' the volume_size at the time the snapshot was taken16:56
mdovgalin my letter i wrote about the problem and the way who we can solve the bug16:56
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eharneyi'm not sure this is a "bug" on all drivers -- doesn't the right behavior here depend on backend implementation?16:56
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mdovgalyes. but at the time when we manage the snapshot using snapshot-manage command it isn't the volume size16:56
erlonmdovgal: as a snapshot is a point in time representation, its implicit that the volume_size was reffering to the time it was taken16:57
erloneharney: the backend inplementaion just returns the size the snapshot have16:58
e0neeharney: here is how we set size during snapshot_manage call16:58
mdovgaland because of it we have incorrect manage result16:58
eharneywhy is it incorrect?16:58
mdovgalwe will have current volume size, but not real snapshot. real snapshot size will be ignored16:58
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mdovgale0ne, thanks for the link16:59
smcginnis1 minute warning16:59
erloneharney: ibeleive  the problem is only the interpretation that volume_size can lead16:59
eharneyahh i get it, was reading wrong16:59
e0neeharney: snapshot object doesn't have 'size' attribute16:59
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e0nemdovgal: np16:59
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erlonmdovgal: if you create a volume from the snapshot will it have the worng size?16:59
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jungleboyjJust a last second plug for anyone in the RTP area that some of us are meeting at Lonerider Brewery at 7:30 tonight:  Join us if you can!17:00
mdovgalerlon, hm... good question)17:00
smcginnismdovgal: Sorry, we're out of time.17:00
* jgriffith fires up his private jet17:00
smcginnisMaybe we can continue in the cinder channel.17:00
jungleboyjjgriffith, Come on out!17:00
erlonmdovgal: let discuss that in cinder17:00
mdovgalyes. i  think we can17:00
smcginnisjgriffith: Hah! Pick me up on the way.17:00
smcginnisThanks everyone.17:00
jungleboyjsmcginnis, ++17:00
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bh526r#startmeeting gluon18:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 25 18:00:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'gluon'18:00
bh526r#topic Roll Call18:01
jinliHi All.18:01
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bh526r#info Bin Hu18:01
jinli#info JinLi18:01
krenczewski#info Kamil Renczewski18:01
pcarver#info Paul Carver18:01
bh526rHi Paul, Jin and Kamil18:01
bh526r#topic Admin Update18:02
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bh526r#info Our f2F will be Feb 6 Monday and Feb 7 Tuesday hosted by Juniper18:02
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bh526r#info Logistics info:18:02
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bh526r#info Tentative Agenda:18:03
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bh526rJin, will you be able to join in person?18:04
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jinlii will be there18:05
bh526rgood. I will give your name to host for printing name tag18:05
bh526r#topic Gluon Tasks18:05
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bh526r#info For informational purpose:18:05
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bh526r#topic Status Update18:06
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bh526r#info (1) Authentication and Access Control18:06
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bh526r#info Two patches were submitted18:07
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bh526r#link for Gluon RBAC using keystone and oslo.policy18:07
bh526r#link for Support keystone authentication on cli18:07
bh526r#info Both were approved and merged on Jan 1918:08
bh526r#info (2) Gluon API Specification - Coding18:08
bh526r#info One patch of coding was submitted18:08
bh526r#info It was approved and merged on Jan 24.18:09
bh526r#info It also changed/commented some existing test code in repo in order to comply with new API code18:10
bh526r#info Shim Layer code was touched too for the new API code18:10
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bh526r#info Georg is expected to further look into necessary changes in Shim Code in order to fully support new API code18:11
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bh526r#info There is another patch to change the file mode from 755 to 644 of API Spec18:11
bh526r#info It was approved and merged too18:12
bh526r#info (3) OpenContrail's Mechanism Driver18:12
bh526r#info Kamil has finished Fuel Plugin. He is working on testing it18:13
bh526r#info Bin will connect Kamil with Szilard, who is more familiar with Fuel Plugin18:13
krenczewskiNo progress from yesterday, I have some issues with Fuel master node on my test environment18:13
bh526rI will connect you with Szilard after this IRC meeting18:14
krenczewskiGreat, thank you18:14
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bh526r#info (4) Testing18:14
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bh526r#info There are 5 testing patches18:14
bh526r#info One patch is to remove spaces between print()18:15
bh526r#info It was approved and merged on Jan 2418:15
bh526r#info There are 4 more patches:18:15
bh526r#link for Test case for DataBaseModelGenerator18:16
bh526r#link for Unit testing for db.sqlalchemy.api.py18:16
bh526r#link for Test case for api.baseObject module18:16
bh526r#link (work in progress) [do NOT merge] sample testcase for api18:17
bh526r#info Bin gave comments, and suggested to look into the code so as to make it comply with new API code change in repo, and submit new patches if necessary18:18
bh526r#info (5) Devstack Integration (Work in Progress)18:18
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bh526r#info It is work in progress18:19
bh526r#info (6) Fuel Plugin (Work in Progress)18:19
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bh526r#info It was submitted for another project openstack/fuel-plugin-gluon18:20
bh526r#info and work in progress18:20
bh526r#info (7) Nova Enhancement and related Neutron work18:20
bh526r#info Work in Progress18:20
bh526r#info The plan is to work out all details during F2F, and work with Nova and Neutron team in PTG.18:21
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bh526r#info Sukhdev will go to PTG and work with Nova/Neutron team on behalf of us18:22
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bh526rThat's all from me.18:22
bh526rAny update from others?18:22
bh526r#topic AOB18:23
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bh526ranything else to discuss?18:23
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bh526rIf nothing else to discuss, we can adjourn the meeting and give back everyone 35 minutes18:25
bh526r#info Nothing else18:25
bh526r#info Meeting adjourned18:25
bh526rThank you all, abd bye all, and hope to see as many of you in F2F on Feb 6 and Feb 718:26
jinlibye all18:26
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zara_the_lemur__anyone about for the StoryBoard meeting?19:00
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zara_the_lemur__#startmeeting storyboard19:00
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zara_the_lemur__#topic Announcements19:01
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zara_the_lemur__None I have noted19:01
zara_the_lemur__#topic Urgent Items19:01
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zara_the_lemur__also none19:01
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zara_the_lemur__#topic In-progress work19:01
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SotKI looked at the migration scripts19:01
SotKthere is some work to be done19:02
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diablo_rojoHow long is the list?19:02
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SotK- add support for branches19:03
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SotK- make worklists and add tags to handle priority/importance19:03
diablo_rojoIs that going to be a large effort?19:03
SotK- misc bugfixing19:03
zara_the_lemur__for 'make worklists and add tags', could we use the old api and then translate it?19:04
SotKthat is all I've found so far, having imported monasca and half of keystone19:04
zara_the_lemur__that way the script itself doesn't need to change19:04
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SotKI'm not sure what you mean, but probably19:04
zara_the_lemur__and we'd have a different script for converting flat priority to tags + worklists19:04
SotKeither way none of the things seem like much work19:04
zara_the_lemur__(instead of building it into the migration scripts)19:04
SotKoh I see what you mean19:05
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SotKwe could do that19:05
zara_the_lemur__we'd need it to be quick so it doesn't hang around in the middle.19:05
SotKoh actually19:05
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zara_the_lemur__(but yeah I figured that way the migration script is done there, and it should be fairly easy to script things for changes within storyboard itself)19:06
SotKwe can't do that because we decided we were making the tags be "$projectname-$priority" right?19:06
SotKoh we can still do that ignore me19:06
* zara_the_lemur__ ignores :)19:06
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SotKI think that is about all19:07
SotKmonasca is easy to import19:07
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zara_the_lemur__were you able to check for any strange characters?19:07
SotKnope, that is in "misc bugfixing"19:07
zara_the_lemur__ah okay19:07
diablo_rojoSo we want to wait to port Monasca till these things are done?19:07
diablo_rojoI assume?19:07
SotKbut I can look at them in the coming week or so I expect19:08
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fungithere was also interest from... refstack i suspect? in migrating19:09
fungithey want to discuss it at the ptg19:09
fungihogepodge: ^ any details there? just so we're prepped to have people around to talk19:09
fungihe mentioned something about it coming up in a meeting but i don't know for sure which one19:10
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diablo_rojofungi, think it was the interop wg19:10
hogepodgefungi: defcore/interopwg is talking about moving to storyboard19:10
hogepodgewe're changing our name, so it's an ideal time to change our tracker19:10
fungianyway, didn't mean to sideline, just noting tat we're looking at a couple of teams now anyway19:10
fungithanks diablo_rojo and hogepodge19:11
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* SotK is excited for people to start migrating19:11
diablo_rojoSotK, okay so what can I do to help get the mgiration scripts up to par?19:11
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zara_the_lemur__guessing his internet is not being great right now19:14
diablo_rojoWe can talk about that later I suppose.19:15
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diablo_rojofungi, any other smaller projects you think would be safe in reaching out to, to move over?19:15
diablo_rojoJust off the top of your head?19:15
fungidiablo_rojo: there are so many i wouldn't even know where to start19:15
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fungithat's the thing about small projects. there are significantly more of them19:16
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zara_the_lemur__we're working on another blog post at the moment, so soon we should have a thing with more info on the api up19:19
zara_the_lemur__at that point we might see more eager volunteers19:19
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diablo_rojoMaybe after that post gets up I can send something out to the ML asking if there are projects interested in moving.19:19
diablo_rojothoughts on that?19:19
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zara_the_lemur__yeah, I feel like smaller projects probably have more freedom to come to us.19:20
fungiseems fine to me as long as we're in a state with the import script that we're comfortable it will work for them19:20
diablo_rojoYeah that I think is the priority now.19:21
diablo_rojoGet that up to snuff so we can start getting people moved over.19:21
diablo_rojofungi, any idea when the TC release goals for Queens will get set? Could make moving to SB a release goal?19:22
SotKregarding help, you can look at adding branches support if you want to code, or otherwise provide reviews and make sure I'm not doing anything weird on the LP side19:22
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fungithat's a great point. in we identify bringing it to teh tc, and the new goals process is a great means of doing that bit19:23
SotKyeah, that seems like a good plan19:23
diablo_rojoSotK, I'm definitely on it for the reviews. I can see if I can figure out what migration of branches would look like. Might need to chat about that after this in a little more detail to get me rolling on it.19:24
armstrongHi sorry to disturb, which meeting (working group) is currently going on?19:24
diablo_rojoarmstrong, its the storyboard project19:24
SotKdiablo_rojo: sure, we can chat later :)19:24
diablo_rojoSotK, sweet :)19:25
zara_the_lemur__diablo_rojo: I will try to dig up my scripts for the python client, since they should give some hints around that19:25
diablo_rojofungi, so what do I need to do to make that happen?19:25
diablo_rojozara_the_lemur__, that would be super handy19:25
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armstrongok thanks19:26
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fungidiablo_rojo: well, we _just_ settled on pike cycle goals this week... probably start formulating a goal to propose to the governance repo and you'll be ready to push it when we're closer to thinking about queens goal setting (boston summitish timeframe i think?)19:26
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diablo_rojoOkay cool. I will make that todo :)19:27
fungii think the idea is that we set queens goals in time for teams to make progress planning them at the pike-cycle ptg19:28
fungiso the summit/forum before that is when we do goals gathering19:28
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fungiand you can look at other goals already proposed/merged to the governance repo for inspiration19:29
diablo_rojoOkay cool. That's the plan.19:30
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diablo_rojoThanks fungi  :)19:30
* zara_the_lemur__ has 'update webclient components' listed as in-progress; did not do that this week.19:31
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zara_the_lemur__I did finally write up some detailed notes on trying the test openid server19:32
zara_the_lemur__(a dummy openid server jeblair made to allow auth when not connected to the internet, for development purposes)19:32
zara_the_lemur__which is a cool resource but has been in review for a long time19:33
zara_the_lemur__flagging it up as something it'd be great to get more eyes on19:33
zara_the_lemur__as I'd hate it to be stuck up there if it's just me trying to set it up wrong19:33
zara_the_lemur__and it's fine to merge19:34
diablo_rojoGot that link?19:34
zara_the_lemur__sure, 1 sec19:34
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zara_the_lemur__it got buried for a little while because I completely forgot about it19:35
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diablo_rojoWill review it today :)19:35
zara_the_lemur__I've added a comment with where I got up to with that so that hopefully others can see what I'm missing and we can get it moving :)19:36
zara_the_lemur__I have a couple of patches up in review, neither is amazing or urgent.19:37
zara_the_lemur__and with that phenomenal sales pitch19:37
diablo_rojoI already reviewed the openid server :)19:38
diablo_rojoThat one too19:38
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zara_the_lemur__SotK: (I should've replied there, the answer is 'yeah I agree it needs fixing, I just don't know when I'll get around to it so would rather make incremental progress')19:38
zara_the_lemur__which we talked about19:39
zara_the_lemur__diablo_rojo: yes, thanks! :D19:39
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* SotK will add a +2 later19:42
zara_the_lemur__with the openid server, I don't want to merge if I can't get it working and I don't feel I can say 'this person who isn't the author has tried it and can show others how to use it'19:42
fungiare you having trouble getting an openstackid instance running? or are you testing against one of our existing instances?19:43
fungiworth noting, i think clarkb discovered that (and probably won't authenticate your service if it lacks a reverse dns entry19:44
zara_the_lemur__fungi: this is just a fake-openid provider for use on something like a plane or something like that; I don't think we've looked into openstackid much yet.19:44
fungioh! okay, completely different19:45
zara_the_lemur__yeah, sorry for the confusion19:45
clarkbfungi: correct, it has to be a valid tld and all that19:45
* fungi misunderstood, didn't look at your change19:45
clarkbfoo.clarkb.test.local or whatever i used wasn't good enough19:45
zara_the_lemur__(I wouldn't've brought it up in the meeting due to the confusion-potential, but it's been languishing for ages so this is me poking around for help. :))19:45
zara_the_lemur__and that's useful to know, thanks19:46
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clarkbI talked to smarcet about it and I think they intend on relaxing that requirement but not sure if it happened yet19:47
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zara_the_lemur__okay, I'll keep a general ear out for that19:49
zara_the_lemur__#topic Open Discussion19:49
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zara_the_lemur__I realised I should've changed that about 30 minutes ago19:49
zara_the_lemur__oh well19:49
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zara_the_lemur__we have 10 minutes to discuss openly19:50
zara_the_lemur__after that, we require deceit.19:50
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zara_the_lemur__should we have an idea of where we want the migration scripts to be this time next week?19:52
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diablo_rojoDone would be great :)19:52
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SotKI agree19:52
SotKdone would be ideal19:53
zara_the_lemur__as long as  I don't have to define done ;)19:53
zara_the_lemur__is there a day it'd be good for everyone to be around for this?19:53
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* SotK doesn't know yet19:53
zara_the_lemur__okay, please keep me posted19:54
diablo_rojoI will be here today and tomorrow.19:54
SotKI shall keep posted19:54
zara_the_lemur__if you spin up the test instance somewhere I have access to, I can test it19:55
zara_the_lemur__might catch some things in 'misc bugfixing'19:55
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zara_the_lemur__spin up/apply scripts19:55
SotKalright, I'll see what I can do :)19:56
zara_the_lemur__btw I'm figuring you're doing most of the 'actually write the scripts stuff' because that's how we started out, but also feel free to poke me about that if you want19:56
zara_the_lemur__I just figured it wasn't something that divided up well19:56
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SotKyeah, I don't think there is a *huge* amoun to do19:57
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zara_the_lemur__if you do think of something, let me know :)19:58
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zara_the_lemur__otherwise I'll handle more... words...19:58
* zara_the_lemur__ cries19:58
SotKwill do19:58
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zara_the_lemur__next blogpost needs to be up in the next two weeks, I think19:59
fungii'm around the rest of this week if you need to ping me for help with it19:59
zara_the_lemur__I'm responsible for that for now19:59
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diablo_rojoThere there would you like a hot beverage?20:00
fungibut mostly unavailable all next week20:00
zara_the_lemur__thanks, we better finish20:00
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ekhugen-#startmeeting wos-mentoring20:00
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ekhugen-Hi All, who's here for wos-mentoring?20:00
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aimeeugreetings ekhugen20:02
ekhugen-Hi Aimeeu20:02
ekhugen-hi CarolBarrett20:02
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ekhugen-we'll give peeps a few more minutes to wander in20:02
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aimeeusounds good - multitasking as usual20:02
ekhugen-#topic update on matches20:04
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* ildikov is lurking :)20:04
* ekhugen- waves to MeganR and ildikov20:04
ildikovekhugen-: hi :)20:04
ekhugen-Hi Nicole_20:04
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ekhugen-so before we get into the matches update, I think CarolBarrett has some news?20:05
CarolBarrettI do - Thanks ekhugen!20:06
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CarolBarrettAfter 35 years in the High Tech industry, I will be retiring from Intel on February 2nd.20:06
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ekhugen-#topic Congratulations Carol!20:07
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aimeeu+1 ^20:07
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ekhugen-we will miss you on IRC and in person, but we're very happy for (and Jealous of) you!20:07
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CarolBarrettThanks!! I've been working towards this for a while...I will miss all of the People the most!20:08
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MeganRwe are sooooo going to miss you!20:08
Nicole_echo-ing everyone's sentiments. speaking of mentoring, carol has certainly been a mentor for me as i've become more deeply involved in the openstack community. i will certainly miss you, carol!20:11
ekhugen-+1 Nicole_20:11
CarolBarrettThanks you guys!20:11
ildikovCarolBarrett: I'm so happy for you! And hereby I would like to join to the "We will miss you much!" team! :)20:12
CarolBarrettThanks Ildikov!20:12
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ekhugen-#topic update on current matches20:14
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ekhugen-I hope I didn't cut the previous topic off too soon, but I want to make sure we have time to talk about Boston20:15
ekhugen-I think nearly all our current matches are going strong still, several of them replied to the update note20:16
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ekhugen-in one case a mentee had changed direction, so the mentoring relationship was on hold20:16
ekhugen-any questions or comments on current matches?20:17
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Nicole_no questions on current matches, but another part of the conversation (and outgoing message) was about interest in a session at the summit.20:18
Nicole_a session in which mentors/mentees share their experiences. led by anne mccormick. do we know how that is coming along?20:18
ekhugen-Nicole_ yes, good point, let's switch to talking about Boston20:18
ekhugen-#topic Boston planning20:18
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ekhugen-Anne got several people for her panel (I'm on it, Anne's mentee is on it, there were 2 other mentors(20:19
ekhugen-I think she submitted that today to the call for presentations20:19
Nicole_ok, that's great news!20:19
ekhugen-if anyone else wanted to be the rep from the mentoring committee, I'm happy to give up my spot too20:20
CarolBarrettGood stuff!20:20
MeganRThat is great - looking forward to the talk!20:21
ekhugen-now about Speed Mentoring for Boston20:21
Nicole_i would be interested in seeing how we can tell more of these mentee/mentor stories, perhaps through short (say, 30 sec) video clips. just a thought.20:22
ekhugen-first of all, we'll miss Carol as our timer and organizer!20:22
ekhugen-oh Nicole that's a great idea, have you asked the foundation about that?20:22
Nicole_i haven't yet, but i'll plan to do that!20:22
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ekhugen-I think if we had a way to tell the stories, like asking people to record their videos and send it in somewhere, we'd probably get good responses20:24
Nicole_i love that idea!20:25
MeganRPossibly at OpenStack days20:25
ekhugen-+1 MeganR20:25
Nicole_oh, that'd be great! and then we can work with the foundation to find a place to post & promote them online.20:26
MeganRHeidiJoy is a great person to ask - she worked on the PTL interviews, and can give some guidance on moving forward20:26
Nicole_i'm in touch with heidi joy, allison & nicole there ... i'll start with heidi joy ...20:26
Nicole_oh, excellent megan!20:27
Nicole_i'll talk to heidi joy!20:27
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Nicole_about boston planning, have we confirmed a day/time for the speed mentoring session? we talked about moving it later in the day.20:28
ekhugen-so I think diablo_rojo left a message in openstack-women last week that it has to stay at breakfast for Boston20:28
Nicole_oh, ok -- we'll plan on that then!20:29
ekhugen-but that hopefully we can start pushing on changes for Sydney20:29
* diablo_rojo creeps in late20:30
* ekhugen- gets a little sad thinking about getting up that early20:30
diablo_rojoekhugen-, that's correct. Can't get it switched for Boston, but we should be able to for Sydney20:30
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MeganR*sorry, need to drop for a conflicting meeting20:31
ekhugen-diablo_rojo do you know were they going to give us the Monday first thing session for Boston?20:31
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ekhugen-thanks MeganR!20:31
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diablo_rojoI think the details are in the prospectus. Let me go see.20:31
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diablo_rojoIts Monday mornring20:32
diablo_rojoekhugen-, you were correct :)20:32
ekhugen-So, I know it's maybe a bit far off, but does anyone know for certain yet that they'll be coming to Boston?20:33
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aimeeu90% certainty as of this moment20:34
ekhugen-Nicole_I know that time isn't quite what we had hoped, but will it work for you?20:35
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Nicole_yes, we'll make it work!20:37
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ekhugen-Does anyone else want to run the Speed Mentoring session this time?  Announce how it's going to go, etc?20:39
Nicole_i'd be happy to "co-host", similar to what you & carol did the last time around.20:40
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diablo_rojoI'll be around to help like I was last time, but I imagine I will get pulled away to be at the Keynotes early again.20:41
ekhugen-I think last time we talked about: 1 mentor per table, clearer delineation of technical/career tables, and asking people for their questions and mentoring preference when they sign up20:41
diablo_rojoekhugen-, Yep that sounds right.20:41
ekhugen-oh and ushers to make sure people spread out evenly20:41
Nicole_yep, emily ... i was just looking through my notes as well, and that's what i came up with too!20:41
ekhugen-so we'll probably need more volunteers this time around20:42
Nicole_there was some talk about whether or not we wanted to use the rotation style too20:42
diablo_rojoI say make the mentors move so there are less people moving around and we save time.20:43
Nicole_but i think we decided to retain the rotations20:43
Nicole_yes, sounds good20:43
Nicole_and we'll do the baseball cards again for the mentors ... that seemed to work well ...20:43
ekhugen-yes, those looked awesome, Nicole_!20:44
ekhugen-I'm thinking we should ask for mentors earlier, maybe right after the PTG?20:44
ekhugen-or possibly even at the PTG?20:44
Nicole_yes, that would be great ... certainly helps with the logistics around creating the baseball cards20:44
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ekhugen-so plan maybe March 1 to send out an email to the dev listserv asking for volunteers for speed mentoring?20:46
diablo_rojoekhugen-, Yes it would be good to do that early, though people may not be sure they are going to be at the summit yet20:46
ekhugen-and maybe we should do a signup form with the baseball card questions, the problem wasn't really getting mentors, it was getting their info, iirc20:46
Nicole_yes, that'd be great20:47
ekhugen-good point diablo_rojo, maybe plan for like one March 1, one at the beginning of April?20:48
ekhugen-calls for mentors, I mean20:48
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Nicole_who should we work with to solicit info (e.g. top 3 interests/questions) from those who register?20:49
diablo_rojoekhugen-, Yeah that sounds good.20:50
ekhugen-diablo_rojo maybe someone from the foundation is setting up the RSVP and could ask the extra questions?20:50
diablo_rojoekhugen-, Yeah I can talk to Erin about that20:50
diablo_rojoekhugen-, Also we can maybe talk to the mentors that sign up to help with the upstream training for boston20:51
ekhugen-good idea, ildikov are you coordinating upstream for Boston?20:51
ildikovekhugen-: yes20:51
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ekhugen-do we want to send out a joint call for mentors? or have you already started planning?20:52
ildikovekhugen-: I started to ask for help for the upstream training things in general20:52
ildikovekhugen-: I think we can do a joint call still, should still be beneficial, like emphasizing that we have a long term mentoring offering along with the quick start that the training provides20:53
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ildikovekhugen-: so I can mention that to people who're volunteering as training mentors if they haven't considered it yet20:54
ekhugen-yeah, maybe asking for mentors for speed mentoring, upstream, and long term mentoring all at the same time20:54
ildikovekhugen-: speed mentoring also of course20:54
ildikovyeah, I think that makes sense20:55
ildikovI think if we have one sheet where people can sign up for either or all will make it easier to track on both sides20:55
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ildikovand people will not get confused regarding what they signed up for and what not20:55
ekhugen-ildikov +120:55
spotzdiablo_rojo: Will most likely be in touch about training mentors20:56
spotzand a late CarolBarrett we'll miss you:(20:56
ekhugen-the current mentoring form asks if you want to help with other events, so we can just ask them to click yes and put in "speed mentoring" or "upstream" in the comment box20:56
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diablo_rojospotz, youre interested in helping?20:57
CarolBarrettThanks spotz!20:57
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spotzdiablo_rojo: Yeah and might have some others so will drop you an email when I have more details for you20:57
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* ekhugen- thinks that spotz is awesome20:58
ekhugen-in our last two minutes, any other topics?20:58
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CarolBarrettI've got to drop - It's been a pleasure working with this team - best wishes for your continued success, within OpenStack, your careers and your lives!20:59
Nicole_none at this point20:59
Nicole_you too, carol!20:59
ekhugen-Thanks CarolBarrett!  Best wishes to you too!20:59
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ekhugen-talk to everyone in 2 weeks!20:59
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notmynameswift team meeting time21:00
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notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
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notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
mattoliveraumorning and happy Australia day.21:00
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notmynamemattoliverau: is today a holiday in Oz?21:00
claygeveryday is a holiday in Oz21:01
notmynamemattoliverau: and you are still at the swift meeting. what devotion :-)21:01
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mattoliverauplanning on firing up the spit and slow cooking a leg of lamb ;)21:01
notmynamewelcome, everyone21:01
acolesmattoliverau: just another ordinary day then21:01
mattoliverauacoles: thats right, lol21:01
tdasilvaacoles: he forgot to mention: "overlooking the beach"21:02
notmynameagenda for this week is at...21:02
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notmynameI'll go slightly out of order from what's there21:02
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notmyname#topic FYI things21:02
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mattoliverautdasilva: I'm not cruel :P21:02
notmynamejust a few things to be aware of here21:03
* notmyname gets organized with links21:03
* kota_ is almost read only21:03
notmynamekota_: no worries. get well soon21:03
* clayg feels bad about giving kota my bug :'(21:03
notmynamethat's the TC-approved goals for Pike21:03
claygwhat were our goals for octocat?  did we do it!?21:04
notmynamethe only one for ocata was to stop using deprecated oslo libs21:04
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notmynamegood job, team21:04
tdasilvawe are so awesome21:04
notmynamethe first one (make projects use WSGI) I *think* might not have anything for us to do in swift. I think the implementation for us are just to make sure that the proxy server can work under apache/mod_wsgi21:05
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tdasilvanotmyname: it states: "Control Plane API endpoints"21:05
tdasilvaswift is not control plane, is it?21:05
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notmynamehowever, when I looked at the devstack code, it seemed to indicate that if you give it the "use mod_wsgi" flag, it startes *everything* that way. which won't work for storage services21:06
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notmynametdasilva: true, so there's some wiggle room there21:06
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notmynameso there might be a small change to devstack needed that we may be consulted on (or one of us might need to do)21:06
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notmynamethe second goal listed is "support py35"21:07
notmynamethis one, of course, is rather bigger21:07
cschwedehmm, a change in devstack or in swift? like making swift storage services wsgi compatible?21:07
notmynamecschwede: in devstack21:07
cschwedethis might need some clarification at the PTG21:08
notmynamefor py35, obviously there's been a lot of discussion before on this, and there's a lot of work to do in swift (including some tricky questions that don't yet have answers)21:08
claygnotmyname: timburke basically already has swift working under py3 - he's just keeping it himself21:08
timburkessssh! it's a surprise!21:08
notmynamecschwede: if you look at yesterday's TC meeting log, you can see the end of the discussion on it, including some of my comments21:08
mattoliverauok no need to worry about py3, timburke's got it covered ;P21:09
claygmattoliverau: i *never* worry about py321:09
notmynameI do not expect to have py3 done during the Pike openstack time period21:09
timburkereally, sounds like dims is making solid progress on it21:09
claygnotmyname: do we get kicked out of openstack!?21:09
cschwedenotmyname: ok, will read TC log after the mtg21:09
notmynamebut we'll likely need to show some progress, including identifying tricky or blocking or just not-done issues21:10
notmynamecschwede: ok. yesterday i found some part of the devstack code that I can point you to21:10
notmynamealso, I believe there will be some discussion at the PTG about these two pike goals21:10
notmyname...which brings us to the next topic21:11
notmyname#topic PTG21:11
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notmynamethat's the list of all known etherpads for the event21:11
notmynamethe way the event will work is that each of these teams listed on there will have a room, and the team in the room will be in complete control of their own schedule21:12
notmynamewhich means (1) you gotta find where you want to be and hope it doesn't conflict with something else and (2) for the event will looks very very similar to our last summit21:12
notmynameour planning etherpad is at21:13
notmynameso please add topics and/or details to that21:13
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notmynameover the next few weeks we'll be able to get a much better idea of what the wednesday-friday times will look like21:13
notmynamefor us21:13
notmynameany questions about the PTG right now?21:14
claygwho's going!?21:14
notmynameI'll be there all week21:15
clayg... forever alone (with notmyname)21:15
claygoh... or not - good :D21:15
notmynameacoles: ?21:15
acolesnot sure yet21:15
timburketorgomatic and timur21:15
notmynamehurricanerix: ?21:16
mattoliverauI'm still figuring out attendance, so far I might only be allowed to come for 3 nights, so I'd be very jetlagged. 56 hours of transit for 74 hours on ground. Also it's so late it'll all be economy. Tho I hope to have a plan in the next day or 2.21:16
cschwedelooks like the usual suspects! will be great to see y'all there :)21:16
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mattoliveraubut at this stage.. yeah I hope to be there.21:16
notmyname#topic upcoming releases21:17
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notmynameI need to tag a swiftclient release this week to match the openstack ocata release schedule21:17
notmynameI've talked to both timburke and joel about it (joel is sick, too) and they don't have anything major outstanding (ie blocking stuff)21:18
notmynameso I will write up the authors/changelog patch and get that in, either today or tomorrow21:18
tdasilvawould not call it blocking, but it would be nice to see land, i believe the server side already landed21:18
notmynametdasilva: ah, nice. yeah if the sever-side landed, that would be great to have in21:19
notmynametdasilva: but you've got a -1 on it :-)21:19
tdasilvacbartz has been very responsive...21:19
notmynamefor swift, we need to provide a tag for the ocata release during the week of Feb 1321:19
notmynameso we've got a few weeks on that (and we'll talk about critical bugs in just a moment)21:20
notmynameaside from the swift bugs that could block a release, any questions about these upcoming releases?21:20
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notmynameok, then I'll come back to a couple of bugs in just a bit21:21
notmynamebut first...21:21
notmynamejcaron: wanted to bring up a TXT lookup middleware21:21
jcaronlet me give you the context21:22
notmynamejrichli: what's up?21:22
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jcaronFew years ago, some customers complained about the cname lookup feature; after few exchanged with them, we understood21:22
jcaronthat the authoritated name servers were hosted by Cloudflare. they resolve the CNAME(s) on their side without providing the CNAME string (CNAME Flattening). Surely their is other dns providers doing the same.21:22
jcaronI believe that using the TXT record looks like a good option to handle this use case.21:22
jcaronFirst of all, what do you guys think about it ?21:22
jcaroncname flattening :
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notmynameso we'd look for a well-defined dns TXT record and parse the contents? and use that for account/container resolution?21:23
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claygso the story is "if you use some dns provider you maybe can't use cname middleware as is"?21:23
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notmynameI think it sounds like an interesting idea. and I'm assuming you've got customers at OVH who need this?21:24
jcaronActually, we have an implementation, but maybe we can make it more general21:25
claygjcaron: do you have any idea how broad the support for adding custom TXT entries is on popular dns providers (godaddy, ghandi)?21:25
jcaronI don't yet about it21:25
notmynameFWIW (anec-data), I've seen that in every DNS provider I've used21:25
jcaronBut it's the purpose of it, isn't it ?21:25
claygjcaron: well perhaps as a start we could file the bug against cname middleware in lp - and add the "less general" solution as associated project (reference from bug)21:26
mattoliverauWell you need to use TXT for things in email like SPF, so they all need to support TXT21:26
notmynameI gathered that a question jcaron has is if it should be done in the existing cname middleware or in a new one21:26
claygmattoliverau: gtk!21:26
claygnotmyname: IMHO that might have something to do with if we need to get cname?21:26
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jcaronLooks like it's better to have a shared middleware for it21:27
jcaronbut it breaks the previous versions21:27
claygnotmyname: it sounds like mattoliverau thinks using TXT might just be a better and cover more use-cases21:27
notmynamejcaron: what breaks with previous versions?21:27
notmynameclayg: I tend to agree with that statement :-)21:27
jcaronNot really sue sorry, but like in the conf file for example ?21:28
claygjcaron: yeah we can't drop the cname support out of the gate - but we can deprecate it - I don't think it's super widely deployed - and it could continue to live as an out of tree project if we decide we want to deprecate and only support TXT21:28
jcaronOk sounds perfect to me21:28
claygso if we *like* cname - and it solves something you can't solve with TXT - then we will want to keep it forever - and it should all just be one big bal of mud we maintain forever21:28
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claygif we hate cname now and txt is the way to go forever - gah if only we had known!!!!21:29
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clayg... then we can make a new things to replace the old thing and someday my grandchildren can get rid of cname21:29
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notmynamelong-term, my gut reaction is to have one "dns lookup" middleware that can do both21:29
jcaronwhat if we use cname and TXT in different middlewares ?21:29
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jcaronnotmyname : I agree21:30
claygnotmyname: ok, i'm just really not sure if cname covers some use-case that won't be better served by txt21:30
notmynameand to get there, we can either start with updating the existing cname middleware or start a new dns_lookup middleware and deprecate the cname one later after the functionality is rolled into dns_lookup21:30
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claygif it's like "look two ways to do the same thing and one way is better we're not sure which" - then... that's less good reason to maintain the old way21:30
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timburkewe could have an entrypoint for cname_lookup indefinitely, as long as it accepts the old options. we could still rename the thing and/or provide some shim into a more-general solution21:30
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notmynameI had assumed one of the main use cases of cname lookup was S3 compat21:31
claygi just really want to know if we have two different use-cases21:31
claygif it's only one use-case and our implementation sucks because you can't deploy it with some dns providers - there's a lot more questions about what to do21:32
notmynameand it makes me wonder if the TXT record idea might be an interesting way to solve some of the "we don't know the swift account" problems with s321:32
claygif we have two use-cases and need two solutions it's super stright forward21:32
claygeven if there's a little overlap21:32
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notmynameclayg: so how would you feel about having a new dns_lookup one that does TXT records, and over time we can merge int eh cname stuff if it looks like it will overlap?21:33
claygjcaron: can you write up more about your txt implementation - your use case and how your using it?21:33
notmynamejcaron: or share your existing code?21:33
claygjcaron: do you feel like you could get exactly what you wanted from cname except the for the referenced cloudflare issue?21:33
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claygnotmyname: yes code always helps - just publish it somewhere on the internet doesn't matter where21:33
jcaronThe implementation is directly done in the cname_lookup21:34
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jcaronSo it does not make much sense21:34
notmynameah, interesting. so you're running your own patch on it21:34
claygI think for now a bug report against cname middleware and reference to cloudflare related issue is the best thing21:34
jcaronclayg : yes21:34
timburkenotmyname: fwiw, i don't think it's an s3 necessity? not exactly, anyway. swift3 already rolls in something like domain_remap21:34
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clayg"I want to cname and can't because THIS" - I need to do some learning in order to understand next steps21:34
clayga completely alternative implemenation for the use-case is cirtainly one way21:35
kota_Timburk: that's what i thought21:35
claygjcaron: that's awesome!21:35
notmynamejcaron: ok, cool. thanks21:35
claygjcaron: still worth getting the diff on the inetnert - maybe not for people to use - but it'll give us a better frame of reference for the dicussion21:36
jcaronOk, I'll ask rdisez about it ;)21:36
mattoliverauyeah, lets define the problem, and proposed TXT solution in a bug report or something. I feel like there cname and TXT might behave a little different, but I think I need to dwell on it a bit more.21:36
notmynamejcaron: I think that gives you a good starting point: bug against cname in launchpad and show the middleware you have21:36
claygjcaron: you *can* just push it to gerrit and mark it WIP so you can refenrece form the ideas page21:36
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clarkbone of the big differences is that typically you will resolve a CNAME chain all the way down and many resolvers can do that somewhat automagically for you21:37
jcaronI think that the main diff will be the recursive step of cname21:37
claygjcaron: also it sounds like *no one* is "against" the idea of TXT dns entry support in upstream21:37
jcaronthat will not be necessary with TXT21:37
clarkbbut that isn't the case with a TXT record, so if the domain in the TXT content is not a terminal you have to manually recurse things21:37
claygjcaron: so you're solving an issue that has broad support/intrest - good work!21:37
claygclarkb: great context - thank you!21:38
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clarkband along with that comes loop detection21:38
claygjcaron: if you're at the PTG maybe we can go find a designate guy - they know things about dns (more than me, probably everyone at the PTG will know more about dns than me)21:38
jcaronSorrrrry, what is PTG ?21:38
jcaron(newbie spotted)21:39
mattoliverauclarkb: oh yeah nice points, thanks man21:39
notmynamejcaron: the in-person event that's next month in atlanda21:39
claygnotmyname: can we keep moving :\21:39
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jcaronOk thanks for the info21:39
notmynameclayg: yeah, was just typing that :-)21:40
notmynamejcaron: looking forward to seeing what you've got21:40
claygmmmmm kauphy!21:40
notmynamenow moving on to some bugs...21:40
notmyname#topic bugs21:40
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1651530 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "suffix hash invalidation may be lost" [Critical,Fix released]21:40
notmynamefix released? we're done?21:40
notmynameclayg: ?21:40
jcaronnotmyname : I'll reach to you soon21:40
claygnever before has there been a better patch than
claygstorage polcies - scoff - ec - scoff - crypto - scoff21:41
claygit's all about the hashes!21:41
claygsrly tho fixes the last remaining issues21:41
notmynameoh, but the bug already says fix released, and that patch doesn't reference a bug21:41
notmynamebut we need that patch to land too?21:41
claygacoles and PavelK have been amazing21:41
claygthe final diff is pretty manageable21:41
notmynameI mean, I'm told it's the best patch ever21:41
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claygwe should really get that in before we cut another request21:42
notmynamewho else should look at it?21:42
claygOnly question I have is for backports (only I don't really *care* about backports - so we can *not* talk about backports too - don't care)21:42
notmynametdasilva: ? cschwede: ?21:42
claygacoles: obviously if he *can*21:43
cschwedei'll have a look at the patch tomorrow morning - ie in a few hours21:43
acolesI intend to21:43
claygyeah and cschwede - I think that would be good21:43
claygwe're good!21:43
claygthanks guys!21:43
notmynameacoles: cschwede: thanks!21:43
notmynameok, let's talk about then21:43
openstackLaunchpad bug 1639691 in PyECLib "EC: Swift can return corrupted Data and be able to go data lost at isa_l_rs_vand policy with >=5 parities" [Undecided,In progress]21:43
notmynameclayg: you set it back to critical21:43
claygI think mattoliverau also has some context - jrichli and mahatic might have looked at it21:43
claygnotmyname: ok yeah - thanks for bringing that up21:44
claygso this only effects ida-l21:44
claygthat's intels' thing21:44
claygand it only effects parity > 421:44
claygok, so know that21:44
kota_It opens?21:44
claygbut basically all major distros ship a liberasurecode that is silently corrupting your data21:45
claygif you upgraded you are maybe getting errors - but it's not so scary - but it will never get better21:45
notmynamethey don't have libec >=1.3.1 right?21:45
claygnow that isa-l-rs-cauchy is out I think you should never let have someone have a isa-l-rs-vand policy with > 4 parity - it just sucks too much21:45
notmynameso then the question is what to do if we detect a policy with that config21:46
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clayghow is "they" major distros?  yeah I mean we just released this shit - unless your swiftstack and you use isa-l with a policy parity > 4 - you're probably in such bad shape - it's really bad21:46
claygand again - upgrading liberasurecode only makes it no EAT DATA21:46
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claygit's still bad - it throws errors on bad erase lists (if you have parity > 4)21:46
claygso I want swift to not let someone set themselves up for that footgun - don't care *what* version your running21:47
claygnot sure how to do that21:47
claygor you know... if we *need* to21:47
claygit's not my fault liberasurecode sucks and you don't know what ec policies are good21:47
claygI'm square - so I'd be cool to make that bug like - w/e just close it21:47
notmynamewell, it's easy to disallow that config. it's hard to disallow it and still allow access to data that may have been stored under a policy like that21:47
claygok, yeah so that would be the resolution to the bug IMHO21:48
notmynamehow about a disallow this config unless there's a "YES_I_KNOW_I_NEED_TO_CHANGE=true" in the policy config?21:48
claygswift would not start if you have that policy unless you ... deprecate it?  patch would be simple and close the bug IMHO21:48
tdasilvanotmyname: isn't there a deprecated flag on the swift.conf options?21:48
claygtdasilva: I think that would make sense21:48
notmynameyeah, but if it's deprecated, can you still read the data?21:49
claygyou can still read data from it - but not create new containers with that policy21:49
notmynameah ok21:49
notmynamethen that's it21:49
notmynamebut that's a pretty big warning to ops21:49
claygand once you upgrade your liberasure you can make a new isa_l_rs_cauchy with whatever parity you want21:49
notmyname*needs to be a pretty big warning21:49
tdasilvaclayg: is that true, i thought ceph guys still limited to less than 20 or something...21:50
clayg"warning" - you mean the swift not starting when it finds a isa_l_rs_vand with > 4 parity that's not deprecated?21:50
timburkeyou can also still create new data in any existing containers with that policy -- should we still allow that in this case?21:50
claygI think it's sufficent to not start swift in this case21:50
notmynameclayg: warning in release notes, etc21:50
notmynametdasilva: AIUI, pyeclib/libec will work as long as m+k<=3221:50
claygtimburke: i don't have an obvious way to prevent it - also I don't care - I don't ahve any of those policies21:50
claygnotmyname: gotcha!  yes!21:50
notmynameclayg: potentially even a major version bump (not sure on that)21:51
claygnotmyname:  the change that makes existing configs cause swift to not start is one you might want make sure is g2g before rolling it out to all the nodes ;)21:51
claygno idea21:51
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notmynamenot only will it not start after upgrade, but the only way to make it start is to set it so you can't create new contaienrs with that policy21:51
claygso everyone likes the suggested fix?  what is the sevarity of the bug and if critical who's working on it?21:52
claygnotmyname: yeah!  that's what I'm talking about!21:52
notmynameI'm just saying that's going to be a Big Deal (tm) for deployers21:52
claygonly if they use isa-l-rs-vand and have parity > 421:53
claygand in that case - yeah sorry - it's a big deal for you21:53
claygalso you have to migrate everything21:53
claygyou're so screwed21:53
claygi'm so sorry21:53
notmynameok, here's a first stab at a way to handle this...21:53
notmynamenext release, mention it in release notes, but don't make this a release blocking bug21:53
notmynamelater, implement the check so it doesn't start unless that policy is deprecated21:54
claygnotmyname: ok for now let's just add a warning then21:54
notmynameyeah, that would be good too21:54
tdasilvanotmyname: is the next release going to be the ocata release?21:54
claygnotmyname: move and then drop it down to HIGH - good plan21:54
notmynametdasilva: yes21:54
acolesI think we need to at least log a warning to mention it in release notes21:54
notmynameok, so who's going to work on implementing the warning?21:55
claygtdasilva: and so you get a warning "your config is going to be deprecated - you need to upgrade liberasurecode - you've got a huge data migration on your hands"21:55
claygI really like this plan21:55
claygsomeone should make notmyname PTL21:55
claygacoles: +100 log a deprecation warning and put in the release notes that we're going to put a huge wall around this footgun in a future release21:55
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notmynamedoes anyone else use ISA-L aside from swiftstack? if not, I'd suggest someone from swiftstack do the warning21:56
notmynameie clayg, timburke, or me21:56
claygif you're effected you have a release to prepare for our killing of this dangerous config21:56
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acolesnot using21:56
notmynamekota_: oh? interesting. i thought you just had ntss21:56
claygwe're going to run out of time :'(21:56
timburkebah. i was closest!21:57
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notmynameok, so kota_'s sick. timburke or clayg? can one of you take it?21:57
notmynamethanks timburke21:57
notmyname#topic open discussion21:58
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claygif it's not done by the PTG I'll do it - it'd be like... sometime after 2/921:58
notmynameI thinkw e made it through the meeting21:58
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notmynameclayg: nah, gotta be before the release (whcih is before the PTG)21:58
notmynameanythign else to bring up? anythign I missed? we have 1.5 minutes21:58
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claygi accidently said that "someone" should break up proxy.test_server (so should!) - but then someone did21:58
claygand now I don't know how to review it21:59
claygany tips?21:59
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claygCan I just +A like "whoops" - it's only tests - if they pass what's the worst that can happen?21:59
notmynamethat's...a really big patch21:59
mattoliveraulots of coffee or scotch (depending on the time of day) and no interruptions :P21:59
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tdasilvamy only suggestion to make it more managable would be to do the same i did for the func tests22:00
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claygis it really going to take me a day of not working on swift to land a *test refactoring*22:00
tdasilvasmaller patches, one for each controller22:00
claygit should be a quick easy review?  how else are we going to split up that file?22:00
mattoliverauoh get tdasilva to do it.. I like that plan :P22:00
notmynameok, we're at time. we can take this to #openstack-swift22:00
notmynamethanks everyone for working on swift22:00
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