Thursday, 2017-03-02

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ekcstime for congress meeting. thinrichs aimeeu masahito ramineni00:00
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ekcsHi all! Hope everyone had a nice trip back from ATL.00:01
ekcshello aimeeu00:01
thinrichsHi all00:01
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ekcshi thinrichs masahito00:02
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ekcsHere are the topics I have for today. Please feel free to add topics you have in mind.
ekcsGoing forward I’ll try to have the topics ready a day ahead so people have time to add topics ahead of time and also to think about them.00:03
ekcsi’ll wait a couple minutes for people to look through and maybe add topics. But also feel free to add as we go.00:04
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ekcsok let’s get started then =)00:08
ekcs#topic PTG very brief recap00:08
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ekcsWe had a very productive first PTG. We took lessons from ocata cycle, heard very useful feedback from bryan_att and aimeeu and others, worked through technical issues, and came away with a great list of concrete goals and tasks we'd like to pursue. It was very nice to have cgoncalves join us for the discussions.00:08
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ekcsI'll be sending out individual emails to ask for more feedback and suggestions on the PTG, but feel free to share your thoughts here too =)00:08
aimeeu+1 very productive00:09
bryan_attI agree. A number of specific actions that we will followup on.00:09
ekcsawesome. speaking of specific actions, let’s move on to the next topic then.00:11
ekcs#topic pike goals00:11
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ekcsI'm still organizing the goals, but here are some themes from my perspective. Please feel free to share your thoughts and perspectives!00:11
ekcs1. we have a bunch of testing improvements we want to make. upstreaming opnfv tests, better driver testing in tempest, systematic HA tests, periodic stable tests, upgrade tests, etc.00:11
ekcs2. We have several small-medium features we'd like to add in response to requirements and needs of the community. generic datasource driver, non-blocking action execution, oslo notification of action execution, dashboard separation, etc.00:11
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ekcs3. Probably the most public "headline" features we are looking to do are policy library and policy monitoring pane.00:14
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ekcsPolicy library involves many pieces including the actual policies, help and descriptions, templating the policies, UI for using the policies, etc. Significant design work is still needed as we go to make it all work together in a compelling package.00:14
ekcs4. specific action items in community engagement00:16
ekcsAny thoughts/reactions/corrections/additions to my characterization here?00:17
ekcsI’m still in the process of adding tasks to launchpad and should be done before the week is over.00:17
bryan_attI'll be adding some patches to the docs etc as noted00:18
ekcsyups several docs improvements discussed. especially around installation and requirements.00:19
masahitoekcs: tasks about improving project navigator are in #4?00:19
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ekcsmasahito: I guess so. partly 1 and partly 4.00:20
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ekcsok then let’s move on =)00:23
ekcs#topic policy library design00:23
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ekcslots of complex issues here we’re not going to figure out today. but in reviewing the goals I did notice something that could be helpful to spend a little bit of time on.00:24
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ekcsone of the tasks we have listed is the function to enable and disable policies. the rationale if I recall, is that00:25
ekcs1. it would support modular policy management based on type of deployment (bryan_att talked about this)00:26
ekcs2. it would support enabling and disabling policies in our (to be constructed) policy library.00:26
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ekcswhen I thought more about it, I wondered if we really want to make this kind of API/data model change at this point. in terms of 1, it seems to be a medium term goal rather than an immediate goal.00:28
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bryan_attI can agree with it being medium-term, an optimization00:28
ekcsin terms of 2, it’s not clear that policies in our policy library are actual policies, more likely they are templates that need parameters to become actual policies. so it seems to call for a different kind of mechanism than the enabling and disabling of policies.00:29
thinrichsWhile eventually I expect the policy library to be an entirely new kind of thing, it might be a good starting point to have them be regular policies.00:31
thinrichsThen people can customize them by changing the individual rules.00:31
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thinrichsTo really know the answer, I think we want to assemble a collection of policies that we think are valuable out of the box, and then look at whether modifying those policies is a reasonable first step.00:31
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thinrichsOr whether we think we need to invent policy-templates or the like before users will see any value.00:32
bryan_attI agree, e.g. a yaml file in the repo that has a policy name and string that is the policy rule00:32
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bryan_attif we find any that must have parameters we can cross that bridge00:32
bryan_attbut some should be useful and generic00:32
ekcsmakes sense.00:33
thinrichsbryan_att: you're thinking about enabling/disabling policies via config to Congress?00:33
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bryan_attnot sure, have to think thru it00:33
thinrichsI was imagining enabling/disabling policies via the API, but config would be even quicker to get up and running.00:33
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bryan_attconfig would be quicker for sure00:33
bryan_attvia API we would need to query available policies and enable them by name00:34
bryan_attso a new API function00:34
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bryan_attor something like that00:34
masahitoI'm not sure using config is quicker in the case of multi PE deployment00:35
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bryan_attand esp if it's an install-time thing only it might not be flexible enough00:35
thinrichsbryan_att: I like the idea of having a library as a separate database table and then an API that pulls policies out of that table and creates them in today's API.00:36
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bryan_attyes, that would work too - reuse as much as possible of the existing API unchanged00:36
ekcshmm ok. so it sounds like we’re not sure at this point. probably the thing to do is get further along in policy library authoring then deciding at that point how to realize things?00:38
thinrichsekcs: +100:39
thinrichsWe've got several good ideas here.00:39
ekcshelpful discussion though to get the issues and ideas out.00:39
ekcsyup thinrichs00:39
bryan_attwhat's the next step then, a design doc for this?00:39
ekcsI think a rough draft kind of design doc could make sense.00:41
ekcsas a good place to put the general concepts down and discuss further as we develop the actual policies.00:41
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bryan_attas a google doc or a blueprint?00:42
ekcsfor facilitating discussion, google doc or spec on gerrit would be good. blueprint doesn’t work as well.00:43
thinrichsI'd also say we should put together a handful of policies that we'd want to include in the library.00:44
bryan_attok, either works for me. if someone wants to start one I can comment and help define it.00:44
ekcsgreat. yea I agree with thinrichs that’s the first step.00:44
ekcsok let’s move on then if we’re done with this topic.00:44
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ekcsramineni is not here so let’s skip the angular.js topic. we didn’t get to that at the PTG and I figure we’d at least understand the rationale behind that thought.00:46
ekcs#topic status updates and open discussion00:46
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ekcsfeel free to give an update if you like, and/or discuss any other topic on your mind =)00:47
ekcsI’ve pretty much been reviewing and organizing the notes & tasks from the PTG and checking in on gerrit. In the process of launchpadding the tasks. and also releasing a newton update.00:48
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thinrichsNothing from me.  Still recovering from the PTG.00:50
aimeeuI've been very busy with the upcoming OPNFV Danube release. Once that's out the door, I'll be able to focus on Congress a bit more.00:51
ekcsgood stuff.00:51
masahitonothing from my side.00:51
ekcsI do have another topic I’ll bring up since there is time. I thought about antlr3 removal some more. Eventually we have to do it, but it’s not needed in python2.00:51
ekcsreading the tea leafs a little bit, it doesn’t seem to me like openstack will officially and completely support python3 within the next two cycles.00:52
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ekcsso maybe it makes more sense to de-prioritize the antlr3 removal and focus my/our attention on things congress needs now.00:53
ekcsthe trade-off is if we wait too long, it’ll be a rush job at some point and we’ll have a pretty terrible first official python3 release.00:54
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thinrichsI thought antlr3 worked for python3, and the main problem was the debian packaging00:55
thinrichsand that fact that we can't actually maintain it.00:55
ekcsfor clarification, congress will run on python3 (if we include some thirdparty code the way we do now), but we can’t debian-package congress in a way that supports python3.00:55
ekcsyup thinrichs00:55
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ekcsso maybe it’s even less of a concern that I made it to be. if at some point openstack moves officially to python3, the worst thing that can happen is we get left out of the debian package at that point.00:57
ekcsif openstack moves before we are ready to replace antlr3.00:57
ekcsthat’s a lot less bad than a terribly buggy release.00:58
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ekcsalso this is not new news, but python has extended python2 support to 2020.00:59
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ekcswill continue to release 2.7.x as needed.00:59
ekcsok well about out of time.00:59
ekcsplease ping/email me if you have any thoughst on this issue.01:00
ekcsthanks all and have a great week!01:00
thinrichsThanks all!01:00
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ianychoiHi, anyone here for I18n meeting?13:00
ianychoijpich, hi!13:00
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jpichHello :)13:01
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ianychoiLet's start!13:01
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ianychoi#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting13:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar  2 13:02:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'13:02
ianychoi#topic Status: Zanata upgrade13:02
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ianychoijpich, have you seen the upgraded translation platform: ?13:02
jpichI did!13:03
-amotoki- will be here 10 minutes later13:03
ianychoijpich, it runs on Xenial with Java 8 & Wildfly 10 (Open JBoss)13:03
jpichWhat are the major changes to look forward to?13:04
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ianychoiActually, there have been lots of changes - it is difficult to tell which are the major but for me I can retrieve the list of contributors in a project & version13:05
ianychoiBug fixes, better UXs for several menus, and so on.. :)13:06
ianychoitonotuwo, hello! Are u a translator?13:06
jpichCool :)13:07
tonotuwoI am Suh13:07
ianychoitonotuwo, aha Suhartono from Indonesian?13:07
ianychoi#info Zanata has upgraded to 3.9.6. If there is some issue, please tell me or #openstack-infra irc channel13:08
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ianychoiHmm less people today but fine :)13:09
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ianychoi#topic Pike translation goal & priorities13:09
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ianychoiAfter the Zanata upgrade today, I have set that Pike translation plan is TBD:
ianychoijpich, tripleo-ui would be cycle-trailing not cycle-with-intermediary13:11
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jpichianychoi: Yes, it's corrected now :)
ianychoiThanks for the correction. Then, for Ocata what would be the best translation period?13:12
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ianychoiamotoki, hi!13:13
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jpichFeature and string freezes will be 2 weeks after the usual deadlines... * looking at *13:13
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jpichMaybe between R-3 and R+1/2?13:14
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jpichI'm not sure how that's usually handled for cycle-with-milestones, do translators usually way for the soft freeze before getting started?13:14
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zzxwillHi ianychoi, eumel8.13:15
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ianychoijpich, let's differentiate soft & hard stringfreezes and cycle-trailing. If tripleo-ui makes a stable branch around hard stringfreeze, then it would be great to consider the translation with other projects. If not, we might need to consider in different period maybe13:16
ianychoizzxwill, hi!13:16
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amotokijpich: ianychoi: IMHO each project has some kind of feature freeze at some time and we would have less string changes after that.13:17
jftaltaHi all. Sorry for the delay13:18
ianychoijpich, for example, "Mar 06 - Mar 10" is Ocata cycle-trailing Deadline, then when would be the final deadline for translators to translate tripleo-ui?13:18
ianychoijftalta, hello!13:18
jpichianychoi: Hard string freeze is more like to be around R-1 for us. I think we prefer to wait until the RC (R-0) to cut the stable branch though13:18
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ianychoijpich, then, the final deadline for translation input for tripleo-ui would be R+0?13:19
jpichianychoi: Because Ocata is our first i18n release and we found so many i18n bugs (missing strings) we've been very bad about string changes this cycle :( I'm not sure it's a good example13:19
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tonotuwosorry my nickmane is tonotuwo instead of suh13:19
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jpichianychoi: Oh, no I think up to R+1 at least would be ok for translations, we can totally have an extra RC for the translations13:20
ianychoijpich, sorry for that. I now just want to estimate when would be the best deadline for translation final input for tripleo-ui in Pike cycle13:20
amotokione idea is that tripleo project declares when you would like to release ocata.13:20
jpichamotoki: The cycle-trailing deadline for Ocata is next week and we will release then13:21
amotokifrom our past experience, it works to set the deadline to several days before the release13:21
amotokimost works arounds the release are now automated13:21
ianychoiamotoki, I agree. jpich for Pike cycle, then I think the translation period for tripleo-ui would be: from the time when tripleo-ui have stable/pike branch for the first time to around R+1 (the final deadline for translation input - triplo-ui team will share)13:22
ianychoijpich, it means.. there would be no soft stringfreeze on tripleo-ui, would it be fine? I think tripleo-ui has less strings than horizon so IMO it would be fine13:22
jpichamotoki: I think there was/is too much string churn in Ocata because of the i18n bugs so giving a deadline of Monday/Tuesday (2-3 days before the release) is unfair :) I think most of the translations for Ocata will be done during/for the first stable point release13:22
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jpichianychoi: That seems ok to me, that way the developers only need to learn about one new deadline at a time :) I will keep you informed.13:23
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amotokijpich: I agree. this was what we have in horizon several releases ago13:23
jpichIndeed. tripleo-ui is still a baby-i18n project for now!! Still learning13:24
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ianychoijftalta, zzxwill: we are discussing now Pike translation priorities13:24
ianychoitonotuwo ^13:24
ianychoiAny other additional interests on a specific project?13:24
ianychoiOr priority change would be needed?13:25
amotokiI think the deadline for the first release is no so important.13:25
amotokiore important thing is to announce that we will have stable update soon and your translations have a chance to be imported in near future.13:25
ianychoiI moved Ocata translation plan on the bottom and Pike is currently TBD13:25
jpichamotoki: Good point13:26
amotokiespecially for young projects13:26
ianychoiamotoki, I usually say "from now we need to focus on master version" and "from now is hard stringfreeze and we need to focus on stable version". However, cycle-trailing project will have stable version in different timing13:26
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amotokiianychoi: cycle-trailing and manuals.13:27
ianychoiThen, I am worried that some translators would be confused: master vs. stable versions13:27
jftaltaianychoi, I'm confused. What's the current topic ?...13:27
ianychoijftalta, translation priority with cycle-trailing release model (e.g., tripleo-ui) :)13:28
amotokibut the topic is "Pike translation goal & priorities" :(13:28
ianychoiHaha sorry13:29
ianychoiWhen I set the topic only jpich were here :)13:29
jftaltaok, thanks ;)13:29
jftaltaianychoi, ah,ok. Sorry :(13:30
ianychoiIn Ocata, High: Horizon, Dashboard-auth, neutron-lbaas-dashboard13:30
ianychoiMedium: Trove / Sahara / Murano Dashboard13:30
ianychoiLow: Magnum UI & Designate Dashboard13:30
ianychoiIMO I would like to keep the same list but.. can I move lower for the project which has no i18n cross project liaison?13:31
jftaltaWhat would you think of raising Magnum priority in Pike cycle ?13:31
ianychoi+ tripleo-ui wants to include in the list. Which priority would be recommended?13:31
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ianychoijftalta, Magnum has i18n cross project liaison - so if others agree, then I am okay to change to High13:32
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ianychoijftalta, oh current low, then changing to medium?13:32
jftaltaHigh ?13:33
jpichianychoi: Maybe let's start with Low for tripleo-ui, while the project is still learning to be more translators-friendly and respect string freezes?13:33
ianychoizzxwill, jftalta proposed to change magnum priority from low to high. Agreed?13:33
ianychoitonotuwo, how about you?13:33
zzxwillAnd the translation amount for tripleo-ui is small.13:34
tonotuwoonly monitoring13:34
ianychoijpich, good suggestion - thanks :)13:34
amotokiianychoi: I don't think high for magnum-ui is appropriate13:34
ianychoitonotuwo, you can say just +1 or -1 simply :)13:34
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zzxwillIanychoi, I have no idea as I am not familiar with Manum project.13:34
jftaltajpich, +113:34
amotokiit is an optional project, so there is no reason to mark it high..... IMO13:35
ianychoiamotoki, hmm, would there be some reason for that? jftalta may be Magnum-holic :) aha13:35
jftaltaamotoki, zzxwill, magnum deals with containers and containers clusters13:36
amotokiI think when we determine high priority project adoption rate (e.g. project navigator or user survey) needs to be considered.13:36
jftaltaianychoi, yes I am ;)13:37
zzxwillThen +1 for magnum13:37
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ianychoiMagnum adoption is 11% - within top 10 for optional services (including horizon)13:38
jftaltaimho, Ocata will speed up magnum and containers adoption13:40
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amotokiso isn't the priority Medium?13:41
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ianychoiHmm, let's set magnum higher: Dashboard - Horizon > Dashboard Authorization Page > neutron-lbaas-dashboard [High] > Magnum UI > Trove Dashboard > Sahara Dashboard [Medium] > Murano Dashboard > Designate Dashboard > TripleO-UI [Low]13:41
ianychoijftalta, the highest in medium :)13:41
amotokiwe have only three priorites: high, medium and low, so 'high' almost equals to 'Essential'13:41
jpichSounds reasonable to me13:42
ianychoiamotoki, how about such interpretation? :)13:42
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amotokiianychoi: just my interpretation ;P13:42
ianychoiamotoki, my asking is about " > " within high, medium and low :)13:43
zzxwillHow about API docs (Nova, Neutron, Glance, Senlin)?13:43
jftaltaHumm... Ok, I agree. +1 :)13:43
ianychoizzxwill, unfortunately API docs are not currently in translation target13:44
ianychoizzxwill, only api-quick-start is the target13:44
zzxwillYes, I mean that. The usage of API.13:44
ianychoiFor documetation, I18n team has set higher priority on user side documentation13:44
zzxwillThanks Ian.13:44
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amotokiianychoi: what do you mean by '>' ?13:44
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ianychoiamotoki, ranking, for example:  1. Dashboard - Horizon > 2. Dashboard Authorization Page > 3. neutron-lbaas-dashboard [High]13:45
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ianychoizzxwill, for api-quick-start zh_CN: would you tell contributors to contribute in
amotokiI see. neutron-lbaas-dashboard can be set to Medium (or low)13:46
amotokiperhaps we mark it High only because it was previously covered by horizon translation.13:46
ianychoizzxwill, their changes look very nice: However, PO files should be managed by translation platform Zanata13:47
ianychoizzxwill, it would be so nice if we encourage the contributor to change in Zanata rather than changing po file directly13:47
ianychoiamotoki, Okay thanks for explanation. Then I will set the bottom in medium13:48
ianychoi#topic Discussion: ATC criteria13:48
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zzxwillYou mean api-quick-start code contributor? ianychoi?13:48
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ianychoizzxwill, yep the committer for the patch: jiansong <> & JunhuiHe <>13:49
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ianychoiZanata has upgraded to 3.9.6 and retrieving the list of contributors would be fine. So, in Pike cycle, I would like to go ahead how to automate ATC status for I18n team rather than proposing as extra ATCs.13:50
zzxwillGot it. I did the same stupid thing at the first time:)13:50
ianychoizzxwill, haha it may be because of lack of kind explanation from I18n team - for this, let's tentatively consider13:51
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jpichAutomated ATC status sounds awesome13:51
ianychoiTo accomplish this, I need to define ATC status for I18n team precisely13:51
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ianychoiPreviously, we agreed that translators who contributed >= 300 words within the latest 2 cycle are regarded as ATCs13:52
ianychoiBut.. >= 300 words is just translation? And including review?13:52
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zzxwillSeldom a code contributor knows the existence of Zanata as far as I know. ianyrchoi.13:53
zzxwill300 seems not enough, I believe for ATC:(13:53
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ianychoiIn my opinion, if ">= 300 words translation" is regarded as one commit, then ">= 300 words review" can be also regarded as one commit13:53
zzxwillWe need to encourage review.13:53
jftaltazzxwill, +113:53
zzxwillSo including review +113:53
ianychoizzxwill, jftalta let's just consider the similar criteria for "one commit merge" in code and/or documentation13:54
amotokione thing to note is that review count is limited to folks with 'Reviewer' status.13:54
ianychoizzxwill, jftalta: you mean than ">= 300 words translation" as one commit is unfair? ">= 500 words translation" as one commit would be appropriate?13:55
zzxwillYes amotoki. I just granted a few 'reviewer' for zh_CN.13:55
ianychoizzxwill, how many reviewers are in zh_CN team?13:55
jftaltaianychoi, yes, at least13:55
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ianychoijftalta, zzxwill note that after the fixing, later change of such criteria will be difficult13:56
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ianychoiI will submit ATC calculation for translators into the real ATC extraction script Foundation uses13:57
zzxwill16 from 87.13:57
ianychoiSo I do not want to conclude the exact criteria now13:57
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ianychoiBut please keep thinking on more :)13:58
jftaltaianychoi, ok. I'm aware of this.13:58
ianychoijftalta, thanks :)13:58
ianychoiFor other topics, let's skip on the next13:59
ianychoiI will determine translation priority soon based on today discussion13:59
amotokithe logo on Zanata is too big ? :)13:59
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ianychoiamotoki, haha Thanks for the comment13:59
ianychoi#action ianychoi will decrease the logo size in translate.o.o13:59
ianychoiThanks you all!13:59
ianychoiThank you :)13:59
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andreaf#startmeeting qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar  2 17:00:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is andreaf. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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andreafhello, who's around today?17:00
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chandankumarandreaf: hello17:00
andreafToday's agenda: #link
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andreafmtreinish, oomichi, afazekas: around?17:01
oomichiandreaf: hi17:01
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andreafok we have quite a long dense agenda so let's get started17:02
andreaf#topic PTG17:02
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andreafAbout PTG I just wanted to thank everyone who attended17:03
andreafthe team pictures are in the ML :)17:03
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oomichihehe, nice pic17:03
andreafwe set priorities for Pike: #link
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andreafif you want to review what happened the list of all etherpads is at #link
andreafthat's all I had on PTG, so moving on17:05
andreaf#topic Gate Status17:05
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andreafWe are at the beginning of the Pike cycle now, and we must make sure that the gate is helping our community and not stopping people from getting work done17:06
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andreafThe failure rate is currently too high in the gate, so we've been discussing how to get things back under control17:06
andreafTop recheck issues #link,
andreafOne issue was already fixed: #link
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andreafit turns out Tempest did not close connection on failure which caused the ssh banner issue17:07
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andreafbut still we have our SUT running under high load for a large part of test runs and we suspect that may be the actual underlying issue behind a lot of the flackyness we've experienced17:08
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andreafwe discussed a lot in the past about pruning our scenario tests which we should not really be having in tempest17:08
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andreafand now it's a good time to move ahead on that plan17:08
andreafwe made an etherpad: #link
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andreafproposing which scenario to keep in the gate - for now we would simply skip a number of scenarios17:09
andreafnot actually remove them17:09
andreafbut we will need eventually to move some out of tempest17:09
sdagueyeh, the concrete patch I have up there just moves them into the slow bucket17:10
sdaguewhich means that you can run them under -e all if you want17:10
andreaf#link the patch17:10
andreafand also sdague's patch runs scenario tests serially17:10
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oomichiandreaf: current above patch seems running scenario tests as serial, right?17:11
sdagueoomichi: yes17:11
oomichiandreaf: yeah,17:11
andreafI would ask folks to review the list and if you have any concern with any specific test please put a comment on the ethercals17:11
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andreafwe should try to get that patch approved by end of day tomorrow17:11
sdagueit is roughly jordanP's list of tests from the ethercalc17:11
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andreafone thing that that approach does not cover though is load by API tests - some of which can be quite heavy17:12
andreafso another patch I proposed reduces concurrency to three #link
sdaguethe inspiration came from some of the nova conversation with ceph folks on their failures, where they think a lot of it is load related, and we said they should just trim back to the important stuff, and run less parallel to get things under control17:12
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andreafmy proposal would be to actually combine the two things17:12
sdagueand that seems like a reasonable starting point for us as well17:12
sdagueandreaf: well, the concurency drop should be in d-g right? not
andreafin parallel I'm working on identifying which tests are doing more resource allocation so we can verify if they really need to do so17:13
toskycan we switch the default concurrency level to 3 or 4 also in ostestr and tempest run?17:13
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toskythis load problem has hit also other places (like the RDO CI)17:13
toskyyes, it can be patched in every place, but if the default is saner...17:14
sdaguetosky: yeh, it's definitely worth the conversation to figure out how to back it down17:14
andreafsdague: yeah I guess concurrency is specific to the sizing of the SUT, which is managed by d-g in our case, so it would be more appropriate in there17:14
sdaguetosky: especially if it turns out that load reduction really makes the world a lot better17:14
andreafsdague: only it will have to go in a number of jobs17:14
oomichiI am ok to keep scenario tests with serial if we can get the gate status stable again with sdague patch17:15
sdaguepart of the current problem, is the data set we can get off a patch is limitted17:15
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sdagueso my feeling is to move forward with the serial scenario patch, see what the macro gate effect ends up being after a week, evaluate if it was effective, and if so, what other changes should be made with that data17:16
andreafso any concern anyone on this?17:16
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andreafsdague: well the thing is that we've seen already a failure on API tests in your patch17:16
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oomichiandreaf: will we have heavy load tests like current job as non-voting?17:16
oomichiit would be helpful to investigate the root problem17:17
sdagueI think the only other part of it is communication about the fact that the scenario tests got trimmed by default, so projects that want to test some of those need an -e all in there gate somewhere17:17
andreafoomichi: heh I think for tempest we should have an extra job non voting which runs all the tests still, maybe serially, so we don't break them17:17
sdagueprobably on experimental17:17
sdagueandreaf: yeh, or honestly make an all scenarios job17:17
oomichiandreaf: sdague: cool, I don't have any objection17:18
andreafsdague: yeah something like this17:18
sdagueand just run all the scenarios in serial, but only those17:18
sdagueso there isn't the 2.5 hour job issue17:18
andreafok to summarize17:18
andreaf- email the ML with the plan17:18
andreaf- comment on the etherpad, and tomorrow we merge sdague patch taking in account comments17:18
andreaf- prepare a patch on d-g to reduce concurrency, on hold for now17:19
andreaf- prepare a new scenario only job to run on tempest, to be merged tomorrow as well17:19
sdagueandreaf: all seems reasonable17:19
andreafdid I miss anything?17:19
oomichiandreaf: good summary :)17:20
andreafok, they are all pretty small tasks I can follow up tomorrow but I need people to look at the ethercalc and raise comments if appropriate17:20
andreafapart from that I have other two points17:20
bknudson_any effect on project tempest plugins?17:21
sdaguebknudson_: good question17:21
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sdagueandreaf: are they typically run in -e full?17:21
chandankumarandreaf: this plan will also help to catch issue in tempest plugins17:21
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andreafbknudson_ , sdague: I'm not quite sure17:22
andreafand I think checking all jobs might take a bit17:22
andreafI mean I can grep for tox -e full across project-config to get an idea17:22
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sdaguebknudson_: I think if they are run under -e full by default, it means that the run times of those jobs will get longer if they add a number of scenario tests17:22
mtreinishandreaf: most plugins do not use the tox -efull job17:22
mtreinishin fact I can't think of any17:23
sdagueso if they happened to be right up against there timer, they could go over17:23
sdaguemtreinish: they are using -e all?17:23
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mtreinishsdague: yeah -eall or -eall-plugin which has system site-packages enabled (hopefully I'll be able to remove that eventually)17:23
bknudson_the keystone tests are scenario tests (although shouldn't be a problem since not much tested)17:23
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sdaguemtreinish: and do they typically set their own concurrency?17:24
bknudson_oh, we've got both api and scenario17:24
andreafmtreinish: ok, would you mind checking on that just to be sure?17:24
rodrigodsbknudson_, api are only to test the clients used in the scenario17:24
sdaguebknudson_: so I think given that, there will be no impact17:24
sdaguehowever we may collect data which suggests how you might want to tweak things17:25
mtreinishsdague: they all rely on the d-g variable for setting concurrency17:25
oomichioctavia sets OS_TESTR_CONCURRENCY 1 as a sample17:25
sdaguehowever, I don't expect that keystone is going to have the same load/iowait issues as jobs that have lvm volumes getting allocated17:25
mtreinishandreaf: I haven't checked every single job in project-config, but I'd be really surprised if any project used the full job on a plugin17:25
andreafheh right17:25
andreafmtreinish: heh I agree17:26
sdagueI really think that volumes + qemu boots is where we get the really heavy load that's hurting us17:26
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andreaf#action everyone - review the ethercalc @
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andreaf#action andreaf email ML with our plan on scenario tests17:27
andreaf#action andreaf setup a scenario only job for tempest17:27
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toskyanecdotally, in sahara we use _REGEXP (with -eall), and probably other plugin do the same17:27
andreaftwo more things related to gate instability17:27
* dustins makes note to look at the Manila plugin17:28
andreaftosky: ok so that would not be affected which is good17:28
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andreafthanks dustins17:28
dustinsOf course!17:28
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andreafI would like to propose a temp no-new-test merge policy until we are confident the gate is stable17:29
andreafof course we can discuss tests on a case by case basis17:29
andreafbut in general we should be very careful about getting anything in until things settle down17:29
chandankumarno-new-test merge policy for scenario tests only na?17:30
andreafand then we should document criterias for new scenarios as jordanP proposed17:30
andreafchandankumar: well mostly for scenario, but there are API tests that can be pretty heavy17:30
sdagueright, it would be nice to let the dust settle to the point where a gate fail of the full job on random project is unexpected17:31
oomichiandreaf: are there any draft of the criterias?17:31
sdaguevs. just part of normal business17:31
andreafso I don't mind a negative API test or a keystone one, but a nova API test for migration would make me think17:31
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andreafoomichi: we have something in docs already17:32
andreafoomichi: but I think we need to get something more specific in terms of resource utilisation and reviewing patches17:32
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andreafoomichi: given the variance on run time and system load it's hard to judge from those but we can check how many servers / volumes are created :)17:33
andreafoomichi: if it's not something for interop and it could go into functional tests it would be nice to have it there17:33
oomichiandreaf: yeah, I can see. but I mind negative ones anyways ;)17:34
andreafoomichi: but we can discuss these details on an etherpad or gerrit patch - it's not urgent17:34
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oomichiandreaf: can I see the link of current doc?17:34
andreafso can we agree on a "please be very careful about getting any new test in Tempest until things settle down" ?17:34
oomichias the criteria?17:34
oomichiI could not find it in REVIEWING.rst17:35
andreafoomichi: so for instance #link
andreafoomichi: as a temporary measure until the gate is back into shape17:36
oomichiandreaf: I see, thanks. yeah, we need the detail more and nice to discuss it17:36
andreaf#agreed until further notice we shall think twice before letting any new test in Tempest (until the gate settles down)17:37
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andreafok I'm not even sure if that's a meeting bot command :D17:37
andreafso one last thing is about versions we test17:37
andreafAPI versions17:38
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andreafwe took cinder v1 out of the gate and have a job to test those on demand I think17:38
andreafbut we may need to review / document the API version that we want to exercise in the gate17:39
sdagueandreaf: I noticed that volumes v1 admin actions didn't get pulled with that17:39
sdagueI think because the tests are structured differently17:39
andreafsdague: oh ok17:39
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sdagueprobably a good todo17:39
andreafany volunteer to look into that?17:39
sdagueit definitely feels like for per-commit pre gating we should only be testing the most recent major API17:40
sdagueandreaf: I'll see what I can do17:40
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andreafsdague: thanks!17:40
sdaguetesting deprecated APIs seems like the role of the project, or at least being done not on master per-commit pre-gating17:41
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andreafsdague: yeah my only concern is whether it's enough to drive tests via an API version, or if we need to ensure that all services are talking that same version between them as well17:41
sdagueandreaf: good question, I don't know17:41
oomichisdague: I agree. cinder v3 is current, and v2 is supported. So it would be nice to test v3 as priority on the gate17:42
sdagueoomichi: yep17:42
sdagueespecially as nova is going to require v3 shortly17:42
andreafok I guess there is some digging to be done to track which versions we are testing in which job and propose a plan on how we want things to look like17:43
mtreinishoomichi: just update the endpoint in the config it should be the same17:43
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sdaguemtreinish: yep17:43
oomichimtreinish: yeah, v3 = v2 + microversions :)17:43
andreaf#action: sdague to look into cinder v1 admin tests17:43
sdaguebut the base should just work sliding across17:43
andreafany volunteer to look at API versions planning?17:43
oomichiandreaf: I can help17:44
andreafoomichi: great, thanks!17:44
andreaf#action oomichi to look at API versions for test jobs17:44
andreafok that's all I had on the gate issues17:45
andreafanything else anyone?17:45
andreaf#topic Specs Reviews17:45
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andreafanything on specs?17:46
sdagueI think we can probably dump the 2 grenade spaces.17:46
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sdagueI had a good talk with luce? (sp) at PTG17:46
sdagueand I think the new idea is to build a purpose built tool for the zero downtime keystone testing17:46
sdagueandreaf: that's it17:47
andreafsdague: yeah I'm not sure if that's going to be new specs or what, probably yes17:47
andreafI'll ping luzC about those17:47
sdagueso, i'd just double check with her, and close those out unless there is a reason they want to keep them up17:47
andreaf#action andreaf check with luzC about grenade specs17:48
andreaf#topic Tempest17:48
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andreafoomichi: did you add this?
mtreinishandreaf: I put that on there17:49
mtreinishandreaf: I had a discussion the other day in the puppet channel about how that broke the ceilo plugin17:50
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oomichithat broke ceilometer gate17:50
oomichimtreinish: yeah, that is17:50
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oomichiI replaced service client code with tempest.lib after that in ceilometer repo to avoid it again17:50
mtreinishI just thought it was a good discussion point, since it's a private interface in lib17:51
mtreinishalthough we clearly document the lib stable contract on public interfaces:
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oomichimtreinish: yeah, that is really private one17:51
andreafyes so that's clearly documented already17:52
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mtreinishbut it makes me wonder what the gap was in the stable interfaces17:52
sdagueso... for some definition of clearly documented :)17:53
oomichiI guess people never read the doc of the other projects even if we have clear doc.17:54
sdaguehonestly, until the documentation includes a bunch of example usage, and makes it so that it's not worth people's time to open the code, once they get in the code, they are going to find other methods they want to use17:54
sdagueI would not, for instance, call clear doc17:54
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mtreinishsdague: nor would I17:55
andreafsdague: uhm sure that's not the point under discussion though - I though the part about stability is quite clear17:55
andreafsdague: but I again I may be to involved in tempest to see the gap17:55
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sdagueandreaf: so, I think it's easy to say "if you click through these 20 pages you can find the functions we consider stable"17:55
andreafsdague: we have documentation as part of the high prio things in pike I agree we need examples or so17:56
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sdaguebut, that's not really super clear or discoverable. You basically want an SDK doc17:56
sdagueand SDK needs examples for every usage17:56
andreafyeah ok that's in the todo list17:56
sdagueit might also be interesting to figure out if there was a way to emit some warnings from tempest run if stuff gets inherited in places that are unexpected17:57
sdagueto help people realize they did the wrong thing17:57
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andreafyeah that's the other topic I had on the agenda for today17:57
andreafbut I guess we are running out of time17:57
andreafwe can continue in the QA channel or next meeting17:57
chandankumarsdague: andreaf i would like to help on this.17:58
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oomichisdague: I did try it with hacking, but difficult to get agreement17:58
andreafso it's a pity it takes two weeks to meet the same group again in a meeting17:58
andreafchandankumar: thank you!!17:58
bknudson_I've got a review that's stuck - -- I answered the comment but the reviewer seems to have left.17:58
mtreinishandreaf: the docs stuff? I did get a start to some of that yesterday:
andreafmtreinish: thank you!17:58
andreaf #link for review17:59
mtreinishcastulo: did you have a follow up on bknudson_'s patch ^^^17:59
andreafok thanks everyone!18:00
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mriedem#startmeeting nova21:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar  2 21:00:54 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:00
mriedem#link agenda
mriedemlet's get started21:02
mriedem#topic release news21:03
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mriedem#link Pike release schedule:
mriedemthe release schedule is official21:03
mriedemnot much news there otherwise21:03
mriedem#topic bugs21:03
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mriedemwe don't have any critical bugs21:04
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mriedemwe do have several newish untriaged bugs21:04
mriedemgate status is relatively healthy21:05
mriedemdepending on who you ask21:05
mriedemno 3rd party ci news21:05
mriedemi don't know that vmware ever got their stuff running21:05
mriedembut there is no one to ever ask anyway21:05
mriedem#topic reminders21:06
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mriedem#link Pike Review Priorities etherpad template:
mriedemSubteams et al, please update, carrying over from as appropriate.21:06
mriedemefried got that primed this week21:06
mriedem#info Move and/or repropose specs for Pike in the nova-specs repo.21:06
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openstackRemoving item from minutes: #topic 21:07
mriedem#topic Stable branch status:
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mriedem#info Nova 14.0.4 was released for stable/newton.21:07
mriedem#info Nova 13.1.3 was released for stable/mitaka.21:07
mriedemthat's about it21:07
mriedemthere are several changes on stable/newton with +2s21:07
mriedem#topic subteam highlights21:08
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mriedemdansmith: cells v2?21:08
dansmithcells, we've got 'em21:08
dansmithwe talked a bit about all the code that is up,21:08
dansmithwhat happened at the ptg, and the current efforts afoot to finish out the api stuff and make devstack do that cellsy thang21:08
* melwitt beams21:09
* dansmith bows21:09
mriedemis there anything that needs attention right now to move forward?21:09
dansmiththe vein popping out of the side of my head, but otherwise, no21:10
mriedemyou're still cranking on the thing to keep move operations witin the same cell?21:10
mriedemthat's WPI?21:10
dansmithno, that's up21:10
dansmithno real reason for it to be WIP anymore I think21:10
mriedemok, i guess dump what you need reviews on in the etherpad above21:10
dansmiththe whole set is just kinda in flux as I try to get things lined up21:10
mriedemedleafe: scheduler/placement highlights?21:11
edleafeWe started, but didn't have anything to discuss early Monday after PTG, so it ended quickly and we got more coffee21:11
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edleafeOtherwise just working on traits and Jay's ironic stuff21:11
* bauzas waves late21:11
mriedemok, anything immediate that needs review? i know jaypipes was pushing the os-traits stuff earlier today21:11
edleafethere is this traits series starting with
edleafeAnd alex_xu's spec at
edleafemore eyes would be good21:13
dansmithedleafe: his stuff isn't ironic21:13
dansmithedleafe: it's for Ironic21:13
mriedemok, edleafe can you throw those into the review priorities etherpad too pleasE?21:13
edleafemriedem: k21:13
edleafedansmith: alanis would disagree21:13
dansmithoh, alanis21:13
mriedemtdurakov: around for live migration?21:13
mriedemprobably unrelated to live migration, but a bug that came up today that's failing a lot on the multinode job,
openstackLaunchpad bug 1669468 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "tempest.api.compute.servers.test_novnc.NoVNCConsoleTestJSON.test_novnc fails intermittently in neutron multinode nv job" [Undecided,Confirmed]21:15
mriedemit's a pretty high failure rate, on the multinode job21:15
mriedemso if anyone knows anything about novnc and that test, help please21:15
mriedemapi, i don't think sdague or alex_xu are around21:16
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mriedemthere are a flurry of specs for api21:16
mriedemsriov/pci, i don't think anyone is around for that21:16
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mriedemalso, lbeliveau is no longer working on openstack, we found out last week21:16
mriedemjust fyi21:17
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mriedemnotifications updates21:17
mriedemA short recap from the PTG is on the ML
mriedemPatches for the high prio searchlight notification bp is ready for the cores to look at
mriedemFix for the hight prio bug is ready for the cores to look at
openstackLaunchpad bug 1665263 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "instance.delete notification is missing for unscheduled instance" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Balazs Gibizer (balazs-gibizer)21:17
mriedemthat last one was a regression in ocata so we'll need to get it backported21:17
mriedemi'll put it in the review etherpad21:18
mriedempowervm - efried?21:18
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efriedWe have four change sets ready for review by the broader community.21:18
efriedPer PTG guidance, we've split up the spawn/delete into four smaller chunks.21:18
efriedThree of those are included in the aforementioned four-ready-for-review.21:18
mriedemefried: i saw the base change which doesn't do any operations was passing the powervm ci - how does that work when it doesn't create a server? is it just testing that you can stack the thing but no tempest?21:18
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efriedmriedem Actually, tempest is running.  The tests that we have whitelisted run the spawn and make sure that doesn't error, but they make no effort to, like, log into the thing or whatever.21:19
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efriedSo yeah, we could theoretically merge these one at a time, which we didn't think we were going to be able to do.21:20
efriedThough #2 is where we actually start creating the LPAR.21:20
mriedemdelicious lpars21:20
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efriedAs for our CI, it's been running very smoothly.21:21
mriedemdoes thorst have a kid yet?21:21
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efriedalmost, but not quite.21:21
mriedemheh, ok21:21
efriedUnless you count nova-powervm.  That's his baby.21:21
mriedemfair enough21:21
mriedemi added cinder to the subteam highlights since we have a weekly meeting for it (for the last year now)21:21
mriedemhighlights from today were lyarwood has patches up to add uuid and attachment_id to the bdm table, we're going to get those in,21:22
mriedemand scottda has a change to make nova support cinder v3 which we need to get in, but requires a cinderclient release first21:22
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mriedemwhich i think jungleboyj was going to propose21:22
mriedemplus reviewing johnthetubaguy's new cinder api spec for nova21:22
mriedem#topic stuck reviews21:22
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mriedemthere was nothing on the agenda - anything to bring up?21:22
mriedem#topic open discussion21:23
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mriedema couple of things21:23
mriedem(mriedem): Spec freeze? Non-priority blueprint freeze?21:23
mriedem In Newton and Ocata we had spec freeze on the first milestone. Should we still do that for Pike?21:23
mriedemget ready21:23
mriedemIn Newton we had a non-priority feature freeze between n-1 and n-2. In  Ocata we just had the feature freeze at o-3 because of the short  schedule. What should we do for Pike? Same as Newton? Non-priority  feature freeze at p-2? Or just feature freeze at p-3 for all, priority  or not? We have fewer core reviewers so I personally don't want to cut  off the majority of blueprints too early in the cycle.21:23
cuhlerWe responded to Veritas Nova volume driver blueprint and spec review comments. Can it be approved for Pike?21:24
mriedemso i was thinking spec freeze at the first milestone21:24
cuhlerblueprint: volume driver spec: os brick connector spec:
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mriedemi was thinking no non-priority feature freeze, and just have the general FF at p-321:24
bauzasHow many open specs do we have atm ?21:25
mriedemwe don't have to decide here, i'll send my thoughts to the ML21:25
mriedembauzas: i count 5 pages21:25
mriedemin gerrit21:25
mriedem25 per page21:26
dansmithmriedem: not having a prio freeze because we have fewer cores is a nice tip of the hat I think, acknowledging the issue I think21:26
mriedemso ~125 open specs21:26
dansmithit won't fix anything, but might ease the pressure a bit21:26
bauzasb/c it would mean only one milestone for merging all of them then21:26
mriedembauzas: we aren't going to merge all of them21:26
mriedemwe never do21:26
bauzasSo yeah I agree with you21:26
mriedemwe'll have enough to do with just re-approvals21:26
mriedemso i'll propose spec freeze on p-1 and FF on p-3 to the ML21:27
mriedemand see who freaks out21:27
bauzasI just want to explain that its better to have more milestones for merging implementations than specs IMHO21:27
mriedemthat's what this gives us21:27
mriedemp-1 is 4/13 btw21:27
mriedemso we have 6 weeks for specs21:27
mriedemi think that's more than enough time21:28
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mriedemto overcommit21:28
mriedemand underdeliver21:28
mriedemnext thing i had was,21:28
mriedem (mriedem): The docs team is looking for a liaison from the Nova  team to help coordinate things, like getting Nova specific changes into  the install guide (like placement and cells v2 from Ocata). Is anyone  interested in that role?21:28
mriedemi posted to the ML and there is already some interest from at least 2 people21:28
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mriedemone was a private reply21:28
cuhlerSorry to interrupt earlier. We responded to Veritas Nova volume driver blueprint and spec review comments. Can it be approved for Pike?21:29
mriedemso, cuhler - i can look at your spec again, it's totally contingent on getting a connector into os-brick first,21:29
mriedemwhich will depend on getting your volume driver, with CI, into cinder21:29
cuhlerSpec approval is contingent on getting the os-brick connector code in?21:30
mriedemcode approval in nova21:30
mriedemi expect the spec is straight-forward21:30
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mriedemwe generally don't even need a spec for volume drivers21:30
mriedemsince they are just a pass through to os-brick21:30
cuhleri.e. we need os-brick spec approval. yes it's straightforward.21:31
mriedembut i'll look at the nova spec again21:31
mriedemanyone else for anything else?21:31
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mriedemok thanks everyone21:31
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