Wednesday, 2017-03-01

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gongyshsridhar_ram, can you help me to start meeting, I don't know yet.05:31
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sridhar_ramgongysh: hang on05:32
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sridhar_ram#startmeeting tacker05:32
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  1 05:32:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.05:32
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tacker'05:32
sridhar_ram#chair gongysh05:33
openstackCurrent chairs: gongysh sridhar_ram05:33
sridhar_ram#topic Agenda05:33
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sridhar_ramgongysh: take over05:33
gongyshthanks. sridhar_ram05:33
sridhar_ramgongysh: sure05:33
gongyshwho are here for tacker meeting?05:34
tbh1hi all05:34
gongyshtbh1, hi05:34
gongyshKanagarajM, how is the OpenO?05:34
gongyshdiga, YanXing_an , hi05:35
digagongysh: Hi05:35
KanagarajMgongysh, :) its nice !05:35
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KanagarajMgongysh, we have next release sooner and is one more happening place05:36
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gongyshIt seems we are on meeting without many core members.05:36
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gongyshJimmy_ye and YanXing_an are from china mobile.05:36
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sridhar_ramJimmy_ye: YanXing_an: glad to have you from the operator side!05:37
gongyshI want guys to register their absence on meeting wiki.05:37
gongysh#info core members should register their absence on meeting wiki.05:37
gongyshok , lets move to next topic05:38
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gongysh#topic milestone05:38
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gongyshwe have set up the milestone according to openstack release plan05:39
gongyshso P1 should be
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gongyshIt seems more than one month away. but time flys.05:40
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gongyshwe have got many stuff.05:40
gongysh#topic review stats05:41
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gongyshjust as we have said. we should put more efforts to improve our reviews.05:41
gongyshcurrent data is not good.05:42
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gongyshwe are deep behind.05:42
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gongyshwe need put more effort to review. and get the commits merged.05:43
gongysh#topic features05:43
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gongyshwe have decomposed-monitor-framework, vnf-policy-monitoring-worker, service-assurance-engine, vnffg-ns, tacker-api-framework05:44
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tung_doangongysh: how abt decouple scaling policy?05:45
gongyshthese are 5 BPs that are related to our cycle's focus: stable, scalable.05:45
gongyshtung_doan,  we need05:46
gongyshthe owners of these BP can start to draft the specs as soon as possible.05:46
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sridhar_ramservice-assurance-engine is too broad .. we need to scope of something direct and impleentable05:47
sridhar_rams/of/it to/05:47
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gongyshsridhar_ram, +1. a big name.05:47
tung_doansridhar_ram: could you pls help review
sridhar_ramtung_doan: will review, glad to see a spec is out05:48
tung_doansridhar_ram: in case we narrow down the scope05:48
gongyshdiga, are you there?05:49
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digagongysh: hi05:49
sridhar_ramgongysh: we need to stabilize existing features as well.. particularly ffg and auto-scaling05:49
gongyshfor tacker-api-framework, you can start to code to show us how much efforts we will need for new API.05:50
digagongysh: ttx sent me mail on Pike WSGI thread & he told me to ping him on irc05:50
gongyshsridhar_ram, yes, that is bugs and tests topic.05:50
sridhar_ramgongysh: ack05:51
digagongysh: yeah, I will start on it05:51
gongysh#topic tests05:51
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gongyshfirst I want to talk is the unit tests dir.05:52
gongyshon server side, the code is
gongyshthis will make our unit tests to cover more than just our feature codes. it also covers our framework.05:53
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gongyshand also a step to support python3.05:53
gongyshon client side:
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gongysha functional test bug is reported by me for vnffg:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1668838 in tacker "add vnffg functional tests" [High,New]05:55
gongyshthis is very important.05:55
gongyshwho wants to take this bug?05:56
tung_doangongysh: yes05:56
YanXing_anJimmy_ye is adding ffg ut05:56
Jimmy_yealso, i had ft05:56
tung_doangongysh: I got several questions abt ping driver:
Jimmy_yesorry add05:56
tung_doangongysh: and related bug:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1668587 in tacker "Failing to start multiple monitor policies on one VNF" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Tung Doan (tungdoan)05:56
gongyshJimmy_ye, do you want to write functional tests for vnfffg?05:56
tung_doangongysh: it should be fixed i this cycle05:57
sridhar_ramgongysh: i would also mark all scaling related bugs to higher priority ..
gongyshok, Jimmy_ye you can assign it to yourself. thanks05:57
gongyshsridhar_ram, +105:57
* sridhar_ram is looking at tung_doan to help :)05:57
tung_doansridhar_ram: sure :))05:58
sridhar_ramtung_doan: thanks .. of course, KanagarajM could help here as well05:58
gongyshtung_doan,  thanks for you take the bug 166858705:58
openstackbug 1668587 in tacker "Failing to start multiple monitor policies on one VNF" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Tung Doan (tungdoan)05:58
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KanagarajMsridhar_ram, gongysh for scaling , shall we involve HT team as well06:00
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KanagarajMthis would help to make the changes on both tacker and ht at same time06:00
sridhar_ramKanagarajM: yes, we should .. particularly for custom VDU target06:00
gongyshKanagarajM, yes06:00
gongyshI have two bugs there06:01
KanagarajMtbh, could you help here ?06:01
KanagarajMtbh, for scaling related changes in ht,06:02
tung_doansridhar_ram: KanagarajM gongysh : abt monitoring node in HT & TP, need your review too
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gongyshseems tung_doan has too much blocked.06:03
tbh1KanagarajM, am particularly not looking in scaling part in HT these days, but AFAIK spzala had a patch on this06:03
KanagarajMtung_doan, sure. i will look in to them06:03
KanagarajMtbh1, ok06:03
tung_doantung_doan: pls help with monitoring node in HT & TP.. thanks :)06:03
gongyshtung_doan, you can put me into your patch's reviewers list.06:03
KanagarajMgongysh, i will check with spzala06:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1667641 in tacker "Use db unique index to control duplicate name for NFV resources" [High,New] - Assigned to Kanagaraj Manickam (kanagaraj-manickam)06:04
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1667652 in tacker "Remove VIM credential storage problem on local file system" [Medium,New]06:04
tung_doangongysh: sure. tbh: pls help review abt Ht & TP too, thanks :)06:05
tbh1tung_doan, sure I will do that06:05
gongyshthese are two bugs to impact the multi tacker server instances running.06:05
gongysh is not urgent since we can use shared file system to do it.06:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1667652 in tacker "Remove VIM credential storage problem on local file system" [Medium,New]06:06
gongyshthat is the bugs I want to talk from my side.06:07
gongyshdo you guys have other bugs to talk?06:07
YanXing_anI will try to research & fix the bug 166765206:07
openstackbug 1667652 in tacker "Remove VIM credential storage problem on local file system" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Yan Xing'an (yanxingan)06:07
gongyshYanXing_an, nice.06:08
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sridhar_ramgongysh: YanXing_an: little back story on fernet keys - it was picked after reseaching with keystone team06:08
sridhar_ramYanXing_an: DB was not considered a secure place to store VIM credentials06:09
sridhar_ramYanXing_an: anyways, do research on alternatives.. i'm super curious on the options06:10
gongyshsridhar_ram,  thanks for the background.06:10
YanXing_ansridhar_ram: ok, I will discuss it with gongys after i have any ideas06:10
sridhar_ramYanXing_an: sure06:11
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gongysh#topic open-discussion06:12
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* gongysh is driving the meeting crazily.06:12
* sridhar_ram thinks the meeting is progressing quite well .... so far ;-)06:13
gongyshdharmendra is not here06:14
tung_doangongysh: just one more question :) do we have consensus on Tacker decomposition.. That could help other Tacker contributor look into that.06:14
gongyshhe has promised 5 days a week.06:14
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gongyshsridhar_ram,  I got the comments on zookeeper specs06:15
gongyshcurrently as I know dragonflow is using it06:16
sridhar_ramgongysh: zk is a wonderful component .. it pulling JVM dep is the bad bad thing06:16
* sridhar_ram needs to lookup dragonflow06:16
gongyshtung_doan, yes. the decomposition is a very base.06:17
gongyshsridhar_ram has talk about his concern on JVM dep.06:17
gongyshsridhar_ram, but the ODL, Onus, OpenO are all using JVM.06:17
sridhar_ramgongysh: nothing personal against Java / JVM ... but that becoming a dependency for tacker whcih is primarily python is going to create headaches06:18
gongyshsridhar_ram,  I will also read some thing about Consul.06:18
sridhar_ramgongysh: yes, Consul is a new age gossip protocol based component...06:19
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sridhar_ramanother thing that comes to my mind is celert06:20
sridhar_ram.. celery06:20
gongyshsridhar_ram,  I will think about pluggable coordination middleware..06:20
sridhar_ramkeep the deployment complexity in mind as you are looking into this06:22
gongysha new one.  how about making the coordination middleware pluggable and make work forward.06:22
sridhar_ramhmm.. that would complicate the project even further..06:22
sridhar_ramlet's get opinionated for a change ..06:23
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sridhar_ramoverall, you approach of looking for a "task scheduler" is a wonderful idea...06:23
sridhar_ramlet's look for something that is available in the python world.06:23
sridhar_rameven if that means slightly less featured06:24
sridhar_ramgongysh: python + consul -->
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gongyshsridhar_ram,  ok, good to know it. but It seems we have to rewrite the taskman, it is a one man project.06:26
sridhar_ramgongysh: i was quoting it as an approach ..06:26
gongyshsridhar_ram,  yes, I will think about consul way.06:27
gongyshdo other guys have things to talk about?06:28
sridhar_ramgongysh: sounds good..06:28
sridhar_ramnothing else from me06:28
gongyshYanXing_an, can you bring the team some use cases?06:28
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1664805 in tacker "RFE: VIP support with allowed_address_pairs" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to futangw (futangw)06:29
YanXing_anWe have a requirement that hit this bug06:29
gongyshtime up06:30
gongyshsridhar_ram, how to end meeting?06:30
sridhar_ramusing "#endmeeting"06:30
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gongyshsridhar_ram, magic word.06:31
sridhar_ramgongysh: :)06:31
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oneswig#startmeeting scientific-wg09:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  1 09:00:45 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at
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oneswig#link agenda for today
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oneswig#link but really it's about planning input for the forum
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priteauGood morning oneswig09:04
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oneswigHi priteau, good morning09:04
oneswigHow did your chameleon review go?09:04
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oneswigIt is a quiet start today...09:05
StefanPaetowJiscGood morning folks... sorry, it seems Freenode doesn't want to play with Colloquy this morning09:05
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oneswigHi StefanPaetowJisc b1airo09:05
oneswig#chair b1airo09:05
openstackCurrent chairs: b1airo oneswig09:05
priteauIt's been delayed… it's two weeks from now09:05
b1airosorry, that time of night here - have only just walked in the door. grabbing some grub...09:05
oneswigNo worries b1airo!  We were just going to look over the etherpad, which I saw you'd pre-seeded anyway09:06
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oneswigThe idea of today is to compile a wish list specific to research computing use cases, and at some point I believe that will get folded in with other strands of input from other groups.09:07
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oneswigThe thread from January on the operators mailing list "What would you like in Pike?" is a great start09:08
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b1airomaybe spot / preemptable instances too09:09
oneswigb1airo: I added something on that just before the meeting, it's up there09:09
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b1airothat link is:09:09
oneswigStefanPaetowJisc: are you having much luck with Assent?09:09
b1airodon't forget to name yourself on the etherpad09:10
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oneswigpriteau: What thoughts on Blazar?09:11
priteauoneswig: By the Boston summit we will have pushed out a first release (mostly bug / doc fixing), I would like to gather requirements from the community, in particular regarding interaction with pre-emptible instances09:13
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oneswigHi verdurin - did you see the etherpad we are on?09:13
verdurinoneswig: looking. Can't stay long, this is my normal commute time.09:14
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oneswigverdurin: lets make the most of it then :-) what are the pain points at the Crick?09:15
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priteauoneswig: I am adding a section, just underneath pre-emptible09:16
oneswigSaw that priteau, looks good09:17
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oneswigI'm interested in the interest in using Cinder block devices as a medium for sharing datasets.  Doesn't the nature of the device format get in the way of the data?  Or is it better that it's something that people understand, analogous to inserting the data on a CD-ROM09:22
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oneswigEither way I think it merits a bullet point all of its own09:23
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b1airofor those interested, we found a workaround for the large memory guest hugepage allocation09:24
b1airorather than using static hugepages we turned on THP and hard-reset the guests09:24
oneswigI faintly recall there were issues with THP and PCI passthrough you've previously described - is that still an issue or do I have it wron?09:25
priteauoneswig: You need to know how to mount the data in the file system (is it a block device with a MBR and one partition, or no MBR? what is the file system?), but not necessarily more complex than setting up your instances to talk with an object store (what is the path to the data? do I need credentials on my instance?)09:27
priteauand users in the same community could settle on a set of conventions to share data this way09:28
verdurinoneswig: yes, agree with priteau - it's a little more admin overhead but not excessive09:28
oneswigMakes sense, simple but effective.  I hadn't thought of it like that.09:28
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oneswigOn an unrelated matter, we've been making some progress with evaluating OVS offload on Mellanox NICs.  It's working on our dev system (but not in OpenStack yet).09:34
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oneswigIt's not (yet) a silver bullet for VXLAN performance but it would enable us to put security groups onto our SR-IOV instances.09:34
verdurinoneswig: interesting. Do keep us informed.09:35
mgoddardand potentially claw back some host CPU cycles09:35
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oneswigHi mgoddard :-)09:36
mgoddardhi oneswig09:36
mgoddard(and everyone else)09:36
verdurinoneswig: have to go. Will keep an eye on the etherpad.09:36
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oneswigOK verdurin, see you09:36
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b1airooneswig, my previous understanding was that PCI passthrough necessitated that the guest memory had to be pinned/locked and that that meant THP would not work09:37
b1airoi think i read that on the vfio blogs09:37
b1airohowever, that does not seem to hold true in our current environment09:37
b1airoaccording to AnonHugePages in /proc/meminfo09:38
oneswigSounds like a great subject for that recap on the hypervisor tuning guide to me!09:39
oneswigI think we might have finished this round? Is the next step to summarise and post to the list?09:42
oneswigAnything to add on federation capabilities?09:43
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oneswigI'm wondering if we should put anything forward on tenant logging and monitoring services09:45
StefanPaetowJiscLogging and monitoring is always good09:47
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oneswigStefanPaetowJisc: agreed - I'm not sure what the current state of play is here (outside of our own bubble)09:49
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oneswigI'll follow up on that09:49
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oneswigOK - any final subjects for the forum for now?  We can continue via ML09:51
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oneswig#topic Any other business09:52
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oneswigAnything else to cover this week?09:52
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oneswigI'll be in the pub next Friday - might be interesting to anyone within reach of Cambridge:
b1airoetherpad is looking great09:53
StefanPaetowJisconeswig: I'll be in Milan... you coming?09:53
oneswigb1airo: It's got plenty on it.  I think input from a few more people and a little refining and it'll be done.09:54
oneswigYes I'll be in Milan - see you there!09:54
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oneswigpriteau: are you going?09:55
StefanPaetowJiscWhere are you staying? I'm at the Garden Inn.09:55
oneswigStefanPaetowJisc: can't remember.  One of the two suggested hotels.09:55
priteauoneswig: I am afraid not, will likely be busy preparing for the review09:55
oneswigAh, too bad.09:56
oneswigAnything more?09:56
oneswigpriteau: how's Chameleon doing?09:57
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priteauoneswig: lots of planning at the moment to prepare for the call for phase 2 of the project09:58
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b1airosounds interesting!09:58
oneswigAnything new and exciting coming in phase 2?09:59
priteauoneswig: Lots of it but I can't say anything about it at this point :-)09:59
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oneswigI can't wait! :-)10:00
oneswigOK we'd better stop - time's up10:00
oneswigThanks all, been helpful I think10:00
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oneswigUntil next time10:00
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b1airocheers gang!10:01
StefanPaetowJiscSee ya!10:01
b1airogood evening/morning!10:01
priteauoneswig: not sure if you've seen, we've released bare-metal ARM nodes10:01
oneswigSame to you b1airo, bon appetit10:01
oneswigpriteau: no, hadn't seen that.  But will look.  Got a link?10:01
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priteauWhen I get some time to write up the details on how we've set them up I will share10:02
oneswigpriteau: please do, I am interested10:02
priteauoneswig: sorry I don't have a link, the announcement was only sent to registered users10:03
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oneswigah ok, no problem10:04
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joehuang#startmeeting tricircle13:01
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joehuang#topic rollcall13:01
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joehuang#info joehuang13:01
RongHui11#info ronghui13:02
Yipei#info Yipei13:02
dongfeng#info dongfeng13:02
zhiyuan#info zhiyuan13:02
xiulininfo xiulin13:02
joehuang#topic pike release schedule13:02
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joehuanghello, pike release schedule has been published13:03
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joehuang#info pike release schedule:
joehuangfor milestone pike-113:03
joehuangwe have defined our own milestone on Mar.2313:04
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joehuang#info tricircle milestone pike-1 on Mar.2313:04
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joehuangfor pike-2 and pike-3, we will follow community's plan13:04
joehuangthat is13:05
joehuang#pike-2 jun.913:05
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joehuang#info pike-2 Jun.9, pike-3 Jul. 2813:06
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joehuangany question?13:06
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RongHui11you are offline13:12
joehuang#topic Launch pad blueprint registration and spec13:12
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joehuangthere are several specs in review13:12
joehuangneed to register blueprint too13:12
joehuangand link the spec to the blueprint13:13
joehuangany question on blueprint13:15
zhiyuanoh, I will register a BP for cross neutron VxLAN network tomorrow13:15
dongfengwill the async job management API need a BP?13:16
joehuang#action register a BP for cross neutron VxLAN network13:16
joehuangto dongfeng, yes13:16
dongfengok, will do that.13:16
joehuang#action blueprint for async job management API13:16
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joehuangto ronghui, QoS need a bp too13:18
joehuangto Yipei, and same for LBaaS13:18
Yipeiok, i will register a BP for LBaaS, too.13:19
joehuang#actopn blueprint for QoS13:19
joehuang#action blueprint for LBaaS13:19
joehuangnext topic13:19
joehuang#topic Pike features development13:19
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joehuangdo you have any topic or challenge to be disucssed for feature development13:20
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Yipeifor LBaaS, already enable allowed pair address in central neutron, and success in creating lb, listener, pool, as well as members13:21
Yipeivia central neutron13:21
joehuango, this is a great progress13:21
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Yipeii find that the vms reside in one subnet cannot communicate with each other13:22
joehuangthis is caused by security group13:23
zhiyuanare they in the same host or different hosts?13:23
Yipeiin the same host13:23
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Yipeii try to login the vm through ssh under its network namespace, it fails13:24
joehuangwhen I run LBaaS in lab, you need to create security group rule to allow ssh and icmp for ping13:24
Yipeibut vnc works13:24
Yipeioh, i see13:24
joehuangopenstack security group rule create default --protocol icmp13:25
joehuangopenstack security group rule create default --protocol tcp --dst-port 22:2213:25
joehuangopenstack security group rule create default --protocol tcp --dst-port 80:8013:25
joehuangyou can refer to the guide I just pasted13:26
Yipeiok, got it. i will try13:26
Yipeiso if it works13:26
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Yipeii think the LBaaS among vms in the same region can work13:26
joehuangthere are several default seg, you may have to remmove some unused "default"13:26
zhiyuanoh, I think we don't support updating defaulg sg currently13:26
joehuangthere is one action item for default rule update, may be it's time to do it13:27
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Yipeii want to have a try, since it is related to LBaaS13:28
zhiyuanwe need to figure out what rule can be added to default sg13:28
joehuangto Yipei, is the address pair sync-ed to the local Neutron?13:29
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Yipeihow to check? in DB?13:30
joehuangto zhiyuan, but if there is not under LBaaS, VMs is ping-able?13:31
Yipeioh, when installing octavia13:31
Yipeiit will create many security rules13:31
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Yipeimaybe they are created by octavia13:31
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joehuangquery in local neutron13:32
zhiyuannot from external network13:32
joehuangfor the port which should have addressed pair13:32
zhiyuanuser needs to create a new sg that allow external access then update the VM port13:32
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zhiyuandefault sg only allows communication between VMs13:33
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joehuangremote ip prefix is the cidr13:34
joehuangotherwise not allowed13:34
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zhiyuanand we need to tell users that once the original remote-seg-group rule is deleted, they cannot add them back13:36
zhiyuanthen there's no differences between default sg update and normal sg update13:37
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joehuangok. we can discuss this in more detail in #openstack-tricircle13:40
joehuangother topics to be discussed?13:40
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joehuang#info default seg rule update13:40
Yipeii checked. the info of allowed address pair is synced in local neutorn13:40
zhiyuando we have a plan of what features should be landed in pike-1 ?13:41
zhiyuanfollow the schedule we discussed in the meetup?13:41
joehuangyes, we have marked features in meetup13:41
zhiyuanok, fine13:42
joehuang#info features to be landed in pike-1 is in
RongHui11for the new meeting time?13:42
joehuangyes, a poll was sent today13:42
RongHui11in the maillist there is no info about it13:42
joehuangyou can click the doodle poll link13:43
dongfenghere is the link13:43
joehuang#info new weekly meeing poll
joehuangother topic?13:44
dongfengoh, joe, your link is not effective13:45
joehuanghow to undo13:45
joehuang#info new weekly meeing poll (this one is correct)
zhiyuani find a "#undo topic" command13:46
joehuangnot topic, undo #info :(13:47
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joehuangok, if no other topic, let's end the meeting13:48
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joehuangthank you attending the meeting13:49
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ad_rien_#startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds15:00
ad_rien_#chair ad_rien_15:00
ad_rien_#info agenda15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  1 15:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackCurrent chairs: ad_rien_15:00
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ad_rien_#link (line 251) - Agenda for the meeting15:01
denaitrehi o/15:01
mabderrahimHi o/15:01
ad_rien_As usual Guys, may I ask you to add your name in the pad. line 25315:01
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ad_rien_let's wait one more minutes before starting15:02
ad_rien_#topic Announcement15:02
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ad_rien_So from my side, nothing special,15:03
ad_rien_I just put a link toward some discussions the Scientific WG had on identity federation challenges.15:03
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ad_rien_so that's all. These last few days were completely crazy from my side ;)15:04
ad_rien_Anything else from your side before diving into the agenda15:04
ad_rien_ansmith: jamemcc ?15:04
ad_rien_ok looks not….15:04
ad_rien_BTW I did receive the scores for the presentations15:05
ad_rien_does anyone know when this should be notified?15:05
ad_rien_s/I did/I didn't15:05
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ad_rien_ok so todays for the agenda we planned to discuss two points:15:06
jamemcclol - I'm not following adrien - ask it again - are you talking about the Summit seelction process15:06
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ad_rien_jamemcc:  yes15:06
ad_rien_sorry I should probably try to be less enthusiast15:07
jamemccI didnt' think the selection was over - just the initial public voting15:07
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ad_rien_and leave time for getting answers15:07
ad_rien_do you have an idea about the notification of acceptance date?15:07
jamemccThough I'm not on the selection committee this time.  Lets keep going and I'll look as I am interested - it's a common question.15:08
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ad_rien_jamemcc:  ack15:08
ad_rien_so as mentioned today we planned to discuss two points mainly: ecomp (ATT solution) and QPID related discussions.15:08
Menthos"After track chairs make their decisions, speakers will be informed by mid March 2017"15:09
ad_rien_so who wants to start ?15:09
ad_rien_thanks Menthos15:09
ad_rien_#info speakers will be informed by mid March 201715:09
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kgiustiI can present (it should be quick)...15:10
ad_rien_ok please go ahead kgiusti15:10
kgiustisure - the slide deck provides a very high level15:10
kgiustiintroduction to the various messging backends15:10
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kgiustisupported by oslo.messaging15:11
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kgiustiWe'll talk about zeromq, rabbit/qpid/ and qdrouterd15:11
kgiustiSo Page 215:11
kgiustiThis is the traditional message bus deployment for OS15:12
kgiustiWell understood, much tribal knowledge, used by 99.9999999 deployments15:12
kgiustiI think we all understand this - so... slide 315:12
kgiusti(the pro/con slides were just added ... certainly incomplete)15:13
ad_rien_this is a valuable starting point at least ;)15:13
ad_rien_Let's move forward please15:13
kgiustiSo the limitations and pros should be obvious - any q's15:13
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kgiustiOn page 4 - this is the logical topology that can be acheived using zeromq for RPC15:14
kgiustiThe broker is still present, but used only for notifications15:14
kgiustiThis has two immediately obvious advantages - less load on the broker, and direct (non-queued) RPC15:14
ad_rien_I though that zeroMQ was fully P2P based.15:15
ad_rien_Why should we go through the router?15:15
kgiustiYes it is, but doesn't support notificiation traffic15:15
kgiustiSlide 4 - there is no router used in this scenario15:15
ad_rien_ok sorry15:16
ad_rien_was on slide 615:16
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kgiustiJust broker for Notifications, Zmq for RPC (dual backend - supported in ocata+)15:16
ad_rien_"(dual backend - supported in ocata+)"  did someone test it ?15:16
kgiustiSlide 5:  The biggest issue is that zeromq has very little adoption15:16
kgiustiyes - ansmith!15:17
ad_rien_good job I didn't know that15:17
ad_rien_is there any link?15:17
kgiustiHe's adding it to Triple O at the moment....15:17
kgiustiansmith: ?15:17
ad_rien_#topic AMQP bus discussion15:17
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ansmithdual backend in tripleo and across puppet modules15:18
kgiustiSo the biggest issue here is that zeromq is largely unproven.15:18
kgiustiI'm not sure if anyone is actually deploying it in production.... may be wrong here.15:18
ad_rien_#info zeroMQ support will be available in ocata+ versions (ansmith is working on that)15:18
ansmithspecifically working on "enabling" dual backends15:18
kgiustiansmith: I believe it will be qdrouter first....15:19
kgiustiWe'll get to that in a moment15:19
ansmithprimary target is hybrid with qdrouterd for rpc and rabbit for notify15:19
kgiustiThe zeromq driver is very complex when compared to the other driver codebases since the driver has all the intelligence for message topology control embedded15:20
kgiustiIOW: complexity "at the edge"15:20
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kgiustiAnd it is unknown how much of a issue the large # of TCP connections required will be15:20
kgiusti(think TCP resource limits).15:21
kgiustiSo and Q's for 2a?15:21
ad_rien_once available it will be rather simple to evaluate that point.15:21
ad_rien_#action make a comparison with Enos of RabbitMQ, ZeroMQ and QPid for scenario 115:21
kgiustiThe driver seems well supported (mostly mirantis folks)15:21
ad_rien_rcherrueau:  do you know whether kolla provides support for using zmq instead of rabbit?15:22
kgiustiSo bugs should be addressed relatively quickly I would think15:22
rcherrueauad_rien_: let me check15:23
kgiustion to slide 6...15:23
kgiustiThis is a variant of the last slide - just replacing zeromq with qdrouterd15:23
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kgiustiSo any "single broker for notification" downsides/upsides also apply here15:23
rcherrueauad_rien_: No, there is no support in kolla-ansible15:23
ad_rien_rcherrueau:  ack15:24
ad_rien_could you please check what will be mandatory to provide such a feature?15:24
kgiustiHowever, there is much lower TCP resource usage - one connection to the local router per client.15:24
ansmithad_rien_, rcherrueau : the effort will be akin to what what we did with puppet and tripleo15:25
kgiustiAnd the ability to add redunancy15:25
kgiustipath redundancy15:25
kgiustifor failover (availability)15:25
ad_rien_ansmith:  ack15:25
ad_rien_kgiusti:  could you please just clarify why/when you have to go through the dispatch router?15:26
kgiustiThere is a degree of parallelism in the RPC traffic flows, though less than zmq15:26
kgiustiad_rien_: for RPC traffic only.15:26
ad_rien_not sure I correctly understood.15:26
kgiustieach client would also need a connection to the single centralized broker for notifications15:27
ad_rien_ok like zmq15:27
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kgiustiEach client connects to it's qdrouterd "onramp"15:27
ad_rien_I'm trying to understand the != between the zmq rpc stuff and the qpid one?15:27
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kgiustiFault recovery via redundant routers, the ability to cross unroutable IP subnets (firewall)15:28
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kgiustiAll the routing intellegence and policy is controlled by the routers15:28
ad_rien_ok thanks15:28
kgiustithe driver is very simple15:28
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kgiustiso page 715:29
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kgiustiI think we already touched on that stuff - q's?15:29
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kgiustiSlide 815:29
kgiustiThis simply puts the broker "behind" the router15:30
kgiustiBut this allows broker redundancy15:30
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kgiustie.g. have a "higher cost link" to the backup broker15:30
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kgiustiSwitch on failover, but some message loss of course.... unless clustering/HA is used by the broker15:31
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ad_rien_msimonin is absent today unfortunately (and is the AMQP expert one :( )15:31
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kgiustibut this is moving towards more of a "messaging as a service" model where the message bus is simply a black box15:31
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ad_rien_so we have a couple of questions but maybe they are naive15:32
kgiustiFor example there is an Openshift based project (enmass) which we hope to integrate Oslo.messaging with.... futrue stuff15:32
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ad_rien_if you are considering a large number of site, let's say 1000 , each composed of 50 servers15:33
ad_rien_if you have router/broker functions on Site 0, would it scale?15:33
ad_rien_in the zeromq (please don't get me wrong I do not say zmq is the solution to select)15:33
ad_rien_only the notification would be sent to Site0 is it correct?15:34
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kgiustiBe aware I don't have actual working experience with such a deployment - so take this as an educated guess :(15:34
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kgiustiYes w/zmq only notifications goto site 015:35
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kgiustiThe biggest issue is how stable zmq will be given the number of TCP connections necessary to interconnect all servers15:35
kgiustithat need to communicate via RPC15:35
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ad_rien_can be an issue indeed.15:36
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kgiustiIn the same case, but with qdrouterd the issue will be how long will the topology take to stablize15:36
ad_rien_can the router block be a distributed one?15:37
ad_rien_(HA/scalability considerations?)15:37
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kgiustiyou can deploy as many routers as you deem necessary, but each hop across a router adds some latency (depends on the load on the router) and15:38
kgiustimore routers == longer time to recover the topology should a failure occur15:38
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kgiustiso each site could have multiple routers if there is a benefit15:39
kgiustiany other Q's?15:39
kgiustiFeel free to followup later if you want - my email and nick are in the notes15:40
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ad_rien_if we consider the scenario 115:40
ad_rien_(i.e. the one we selected15:40
ad_rien_where we have all control services in Site 0 and only compute nodes on remote sites)15:40
ad_rien_if we correctly understood, compute nodes will not communicate each other, right?15:41
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kgiustiI believe that is correct - it would be a centralized hub and spoke topology15:41
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ad_rien_so the use of zmq or qpid is valid only for scenarios 2/3+ where we will have several services geographically spread15:42
ad_rien_So it is 45.15:42
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ad_rien_May I propose to prepare some questions for the next meeting. Can all please agree on that point ?15:42
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kgiustiwell, you _could_ try zeromq for hub and spoke if the load on the broker becomes critical15:42
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ad_rien_#link AMQP discussion15:43
ad_rien_#action all - please see the amqp slides and prepare questions for the next meeting.15:43
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ad_rien_kgiusti:  do you want to add something else? ansmith?15:43
ansmithspecifically, update to kolla-ansible would be to use oslo.messaging transport url inplace of deprecated rabbit host, port, auth as configuration options15:44
ansmithon the list to do15:44
ansmiththis will enable separating the messaging backends15:44
rcherrueauansmith: you are right15:45
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ad_rien_may I ask to move to the following point in the agenda?15:46
ad_rien_(we can come back later if we have time)15:46
ad_rien_#topic ecomp15:47
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jamemccThanks - I'm here still. I first want to status that I didn't get a commitment from one of the more estblished eComp architects at AT&T to join us.15:47
jamemccJust a quick check though: Anyone else joined to talk about eComp?15:47
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ad_rien_jamemcc:  if you want we can postpone the discussion next time?15:48
jamemccI have better leads on who might be appropriate - but perhaps we could instead check to see if anyone read the materials sent out and then talk about where the investigation/collaboration might go.15:48
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ad_rien_guys ?15:49
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ad_rien_What do you prefer? To talk now or to discuss next time?15:49
ad_rien_(from my side, I would rather prefer the second option as I did not have time to give a deeper look in the different materials)15:50
jamemccYeah - next time - though if there are general quesions - like what level of functionality or whats the strategy for the project - I think I could answer that.15:50
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rcherrueauBtw, the slot ends in 10 min, so next time is maybe more appropriate ...15:50
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ad_rien_#action all - give a look to the content sent by jamemcc and prepare questions for next meeting.15:51
jamemccAnswering to the ML ahead of time will be helpful as well:15:51
ad_rien_#link ML message regarding ecomp15:52
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ad_rien_#topic scenario deployment.15:52
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ad_rien_ok right now we are just performing the first experiments with Scenario 0. we expect to gather preliminary results by next meeting15:53
ad_rien_nothing more so unless you have question I proposed to move on the next point.15:53
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ad_rien_#topic AMQP stresser15:54
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ad_rien_I'm not sure Orange folks are there?15:54
ad_rien_I saw mabderrahim but didn't see jfpeltier nor mrohon15:55
ad_rien_guys ?15:55
ad_rien_are you there?15:55
mabderrahimI am here15:55
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ad_rien_ok I proposed to keep that on the agenda15:55
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ad_rien_next point OpenDiscussion15:55
ad_rien_#topic open discussion15:56
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ad_rien_apart what I put in the pad I have nothing more15:56
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ad_rien_anything you would like to discuss from your side Guys ?15:56
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ad_rien_three minutes before ending the meeting?15:56
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ad_rien_ansmith:  jamemcc kgiusti anyone else ?15:57
kgiustiI'm good :)15:57
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ad_rien_So I propose to conclude the meeting. thanks for being there.15:58
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jamemccNo - but perhaps we can chat a little offline afterwards - cross working group15:58
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smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  1 16:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
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smcginnisping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylikehu16:00
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smcginnismdovgal ildikov wxy viks ketonne abishop sivn16:00
smcginnisHey everyone16:00
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smcginnisI hope everyone had a good trip back from the PTG.16:01
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smcginnisThanks everyone who could attend.16:01
smcginnisAnd those who couldn't - hopefully you can next time.16:01
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smcginnis#topic Announcements16:01
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smcginnis#link Review focus16:02
smcginnisWe've updated the etherpad based on priorities discussed last week.16:02
smcginnisWould be nice if we can make sure to get those new drivers feedback.16:02
smcginnisI think still waiting for CI for most16:02
smcginnisBut right now - waiting for CI for almost everyone.16:03
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xyang2we are in the process of upgrading from 14.04 to 16.0416:04
smcginnisxyang2: Great. Yeah, that one caught me off guard.16:04
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smcginnisI know the plan was to get rid of trusty official support for OpenStack in this release.16:04
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smcginnisI just hadn't seen any announcements that devstack was going to cut it.16:05
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smcginnisOne other thing related to the PTG...16:05
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smcginnisjungleboyj is working on summarizing all of the notes here:16:05
smcginnis#link Pike PTG Summary16:05
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smcginnisWe plan to capture the outcome of those in the wiki.16:06
diablo_rojosmcginnis,  I was working on updating all the youtube video descriptions with their content and then was going to send an email out to those that couldn't attend the PTG.16:06
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smcginnisSo hopefully there is less of an issue trying to track down etherpads months later to remember what we decided.16:06
xyang2jungleboyj: can you add a link to it from the general cinder wiki?16:06
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: Awesome, that would be great!16:06
smcginnisxyang2: It is:
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xyang2smcginnis: cool16:07
diablo_rojosmcginnis, posted etherpads in the descriptions too. That should go out today.16:07
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jungleboyjxyang2: It is already there at the bottom of the page.16:07
xyang2jungleboyj: thanks16:08
jungleboyjI am still working on getting the notes culled from the etherpad.  Plan to finish today.16:08
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: I wonder if we need a read-only copy of the etherpads for that.16:08
smcginnisGuess we'll see.16:08
diablo_rojosmcginnis, I had wondered about that myself. Not sure how to do that though. It is just the one notes etherpad though.16:08
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smcginnisOther than all that, I guess just getting caught up after last week.16:09
jungleboyjI wanted to include video links with the summary.  Wiki won't let me link to youtube.  Still working on that.16:09
smcginnisAnyone else have any topics that need discussion in the meeting?16:09
gouthamrdid we want to vote/decide on our third party CI changes?16:09
smcginnisgouthamr: jgriffith was going to present a proposal, but he's had a vet issue come up this morning.16:10
jungleboyjdiablo_rojo: You know any way around that problem in the Wiki?16:10
smcginnisI think we can wait until he's able to be here.16:10
gouthamrsure thing smcginnis16:10
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smcginnisgouthamr: Thank you for the reminder though.16:11
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smcginnisHopefully everyone is aware of changes to their CI runs.16:12
smcginnisDevstack dropped support for 14.04, so if you have been using that, time to update.16:12
gouthamrsmcginnis: you're welcome.. it's more important now than before, because of these breakages in the past week :)16:12
smcginnisTempest plugins were broken. That fix has gone through, but may not be included in all outstanding patches.16:12
diablo_rojojungleboyj, off the top of my head no, but I would bet fungi would know if there was a way.16:12
smcginnisgouthamr: Definitely. ;)16:12
jungleboyjdiablo_rojo: Ok.  Thank you.16:12
smcginnisI think there was one other CI change causes a lot of issues for folks. Please make sure getting those things fixed a priority.16:13
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smcginnisOh, Cinder deadlines have been added to the schedule:16:13
smcginnis#link Pike Schedule16:13
smcginnisPretty much the same as we have had the last few releases.16:14
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smcginnisNote - I state Wednesday as the deadline for those. I'd like to avoid last minute scrambles on the overall deadline day.16:14
fungidiablo_rojo: jungleboyj: our spam filtering may be preventing saving content with links to youtube (sorry for the delay, since you didn't summarize the question it took a few minutes to parse it out of scrollback)16:14
smcginnisfungi: Do shortened URLs work for that?16:15
jungleboyjfungi: Sorry.  Yeah, that is what it is complaining about.16:15
fungithe wiki is getting increasingly crippled to remove any features spammers might make use of16:15
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fungino idea if url shorteners work, worth a try16:15
smcginnisfungi: Thanks16:16
jungleboyjfungi: Ok, I will try shortening the URL's and will ping you if I need more help.16:16
fungiit may also have to do with the number of links added. how many links were in the page or were you trying to add?16:16
diablo_rojoThanks fungi :)16:16
fungii think most of the url filtering in there is focused on preventing spammers from setting up linkfarms to outside content16:16
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smcginnisNext PTG is planned the week of Sept 10th.16:17
jungleboyjOk.  *fingers crossed* a short google URL won't cause issues.16:17
smcginnisLocation still to be determined, right diablo_rojo?16:17
diablo_rojosmcginnis, correct. Doing one last site visit16:17
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diablo_rojoShould have a decision in two weeks at most16:18
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diablo_rojoWe did announce the next Summit though :)16:18
smcginnisAlso announced, Summit location after Sydney is back to Vancouver.16:18
diablo_rojoIf anyone was on twitter and saw that16:18
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diablo_rojosmcginnis, lol16:18
tbarronnot going to say where it is, eh?16:18
jungleboyj:-)  Yay Vancouver!16:18
jungleboyjtbarron: You are welcome.16:18
smcginnistbarron: It's one a need to know basis, and you don't need to knwo.16:18
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tbarronsmcginnis: :P16:19
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Ooops, cat's out of the bag.16:19
diablo_rojotbarron, I like to tease :)16:19
fungiit's more that they haven't _decided_ where the next ptg is. they're still negotiating with venues in multiple cities for that week16:19
dulekIt's Vancouver in May again. Last time locals said that we were pretty lucky with weather. I wonder how it will turn out this time. :)16:19
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smcginnisdulek: It was great last time. I'm looking forward to going again.16:19
jungleboyjdulek: THink positive.16:20
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smcginnisYeah, PTG down to two locations, but keeping it kind of quiet until it's more finalized.16:20
bswartzstill have boston and sydney to contend with first16:20
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diablo_rojobswartz, correct :)16:21
diablo_rojoParty at fenway!16:21
smcginnisSydney should be interesting. That's quite a trip for a lot of folks.16:21
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Again, think positive.  ;-)16:21
smcginnisAnything else to discuss? Or cut it short today?16:22
karthikp__smcginnis: hi ..I needed to discuss to the generate matrix driver16:23
smcginnisOK, thanks everyone.16:23
smcginnisOK, just in time. :)16:23
smcginnis#topic Driver support matrix16:23
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smcginniskarthikp__: The floor is all yours.16:24
karthikp__Do we still have volume replica  in the matrix16:24
karthikp__Or we decided to rule that out?16:24
karthikp__Volume replication16:24
jungleboyjVolume replication is in.16:25
jungleboyjAt least at the backend level.16:25
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geguileoyeah, I abandoned my patches for replication and active/active because we were going to include it in the matrix16:26
karthikp__Because I saw gorka patch regarding support replication being abandoned16:26
smcginnisThat was just in the driver list.16:27
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geguileokarthikp__: I abandoned it because we dediced that we preferred it in the matrix16:27
karthikp__geguileo: can use the same approach in my driver matrix code then16:27
geguileokarthikp__: yup16:28
SwansonWhat makes anyone think they'll be able to get back into the US if they take a trip to Vancouver or Sydney?16:28
karthikp__Cool ... Also are we reporting generic volumes groups support?16:28
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Swanson(Sorry, no politics.)16:29
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xyang2karthikp__: we should.  there's a default implementation for every driver16:29
jungleboyjI am confused.  What was abandoned?16:29
geguileojungleboyj: my 2 patches that added more info to driver list16:30
smcginnisWell, since there is a default implmentation, should we report it in the matrix? They would all be checked.16:30
karthikp__smcginnis:  exactly thanks!16:30
geguileosmcginnis: We can report which ones have an optimized one?16:30
smcginnisgeguileo: True16:30
smcginniskarthikp__: Do you have the link to that patch?16:30
smcginnisThose interested should review and comment there.16:31
* smcginnis needs to take a look again16:31
jungleboyjgeguileo: Ah, ok.  THank you.16:31
karthikp__Looking for it16:32
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smcginnis#link Support matrix patch16:34
karthikp_jungleboyj: smcginnis ^^16:34
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smcginniskarthikp__: Thanks!16:34
smcginnisOK, anything else?16:34
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smcginnisAlright, thanks everyone!16:35
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karthikp_thanks all!16:35
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: Thanks that is.  *Sigh*16:36
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bh526r_#startmeeting gluon18:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  1 18:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bh526r_. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'gluon'18:00
bh526r_#topic Roll Call18:00
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bh526r_#info Bin Hu18:00
krenczewski#info Kamil Renczewski18:00
bh526r_Hi Kamil18:00
jinli#info JinLi18:01
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georgk#info Georg Kunz18:01
bh526r_Hi Jin, Georg18:01
jinliHi all!18:01
bh526r_#topic Admin Update18:01
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bh526r_#info None18:02
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bh526r_#topic PTG Update18:02
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bh526r_#info Sukhdev and Ian participated in Neutron PTG last week18:02
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bh526r_#info Two RFE's were proposed and discussed18:03
alraddarla#info darla18:03
bh526r_#info RFE 1: Neutron API enhancement - make network and subnets as optional18:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1664461 in neutron "[RFE] Neutron API enhancement - make network and subnets as optional" [Undecided,New]18:03
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bh526r_#info RFE 2: Neutron API enhancement - add optional attribute to network18:04
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1664466 in neutron "[RFE] Neutron API enhancement - add optional attribute to network" [Undecided,New]18:04
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bh526r_#info Sukhdev did a great job in presenting Gluon in Neutron's PTG18:05
bh526r_#info Sukhdev elaborated the Gluon as well as non-Gluon use cases and examples to support the rationale for Neutron API enhancement18:05
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bh526r_#info Ian and Paul have helped clarify the use case, supported presentation18:06
bh526r_#info There was good and detailed discussion on the subject.18:07
bh526r_#info It was agreed that if we can implement the Network Type (the second RFE), it would cover all our Gluon use cases18:07
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bh526r_#info Thus we can focus on implementing the Network Type.18:08
bh526r_#info Of course, the devil is the detail.18:08
pcarversorry, running late. reading the log now.18:08
bh526r_no problem, Paul.18:09
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bh526r_#info Some other suggestions include using "network flavor", or different, similar naming.18:10
bh526r_#info Neutron's PTG Summary is a good source:18:10
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bh526r_#info See the "New Network Types" section18:11
bh526r_#info In short, we achieved 2 goals in PTG:18:11
bh526r_#info Goal #1: Cleared the air that Gluon is not another networking project – but, will be part of Neutron with some extensions and enhancements18:12
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bh526r_#info Goal #2: Converged most of neutron cores to our Gluon approach and explained as to why they should support it – as this is really filling a gap in neutron’s offerings18:12
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bh526r_#info The next step is to deliver the details of implementation of Netwotk Type proposal.18:13
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bh526r_#info We had a good start to move forward a big step, but still a long way to go.18:13
bh526r_#info Big credit to Sukhdev for initiating and driving it18:14
bh526r_#info Also big thank you to Ian and Paul for helping and supporting in PTG18:14
bh526r_Any question?18:14
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bh526r_#topic Status Update of Gluon Ocata Release18:15
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bh526r_#info We had our Gluon 1.0.0 (Ocata release) last week18:16
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bh526r_#info Many thanks to Doug (RM) for helping us create stable/ocata branch, and other infrastructure patches18:16
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bh526r_#info And many thanks to infrastructure team (Andreas and Yolanda) too for the help along the way of our development, and infrastructure support18:18
bh526r_#info More importantly, big thank you to all of our team members who have spent lots of time and effort in developing, testing, and deploying the PoC18:19
bh526r_#info Without team effort, nothing could have happened.18:20
bh526r_#info Thank you all18:20
bh526r_#topic Outstanding Patches18:21
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bh526r_#info There are 3 bug fix patches:18:21
bh526r_#Info Patch 1: Remove unused logging import18:22
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bh526r_#info Patch 2: Fix the module-name typos18:22
bh526r_#info Patch 3: Bug fix: Update the descripton of Base URL Access18:23
bh526r_#info All those 3 patches have been reviewed, and +1'ed18:23
bh526r_Any objection to approve and merge those 3 bug fix patches?18:24
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georgki am good, +1 them18:24
bh526r_#info Team agreed to approve and merge those 3 patches18:24
bh526r_Thank you Georg.18:25
bh526r_#info Those 3 patches will be cherrypicked to stable/ocata too18:25
bh526r_#info Both will be tagged as 1.0.118:25
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bh526r_#info There is 2 more patches that need more work18:27
bh526r_#info Patch 4: Test case for gluon/api/root.py18:28
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jinliI am working on that one now bin18:28
bh526r_#info This has verified -1, and also some update needed to work with18:29
bh526r_#info Jin will continue to work on it18:30
bh526r_#info Patch 5: Remove elements from core plugin that are simply passthrough18:30
bh526r_#info This seems an improvement, and needs more discussion based on review.18:31
bh526r_#info In Summary, 3 bug fixes will be merged and cherrypicked to stable/ocata18:31
bh526r_#info other 2 patches need more work18:31
bh526r_#topic Planning for Pike18:32
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bh526r_#info I created the above wiki page, and drafted initial tasks/work items for Pike18:33
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bh526r_#info Please review the task list, and give any comments for discussion, and assign yourself to any of the items :)18:35
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bh526r_#info Many of the items are contunuation of some tasks, and Network Type related task may need more details18:36
bh526r_That's all I have today18:36
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bh526r_#topic AOB18:36
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bh526r_#info We also need to think about what we need to present/session in OpenStack Summit (Forum) in Boston18:37
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bh526r_#info Above are some information about planning process18:38
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bh526r_#info Let's think about it, and discuss more details in the next a few weeks18:39
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bh526r_Any other item to discuss?18:39
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bh526r_if nothing else to discuss, let's adjourn the meeting and give you back 20 minutes18:40
bh526r_#info Meeting adjourned18:40
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bh526r_Thank you all and bye18:40
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SotKanyone around for the storyboard meeting?19:00
SotK#startmeeting storyboard19:00
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SotK#link Agenda19:00
SotK#topic Announcements19:00
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SotKI don't think we have anything to announce19:01
SotK#topic Urgent Items19:01
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SotKsimilarly, nothing urgent19:01
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SotK#topic In Progress Work19:01
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SotKok, we have things here19:01
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SotKI fixed the bug dmsimard found I believe19:01
* SotK looks at gerrit19:02
fungiwhat was broken?19:02
diablo_rojoHello :)19:02
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zara_the_lemur__(my review backlog stretches to the moon, sorry)19:02
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fungii don't want to compare review queues with anyone else. it would just depress me19:02
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SotKthe search page was clearing the query if you add a plain text filter after other filters19:03
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SotKand still is since the patch isn't merged :D19:03
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zara_the_lemur__plan is to get to reviews after this meeting19:03
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SotKmore excitingly, I almost feel confident in running the migration script for monasca with minimal changes19:04
zara_the_lemur__oh, nice19:04
zara_the_lemur__at the ptg we had a virtual session for that; got as far as realising we needed a different approach for branches19:04
SotK(the only change being to fix the branches thing so that tasks have a branch)19:04
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fungineat--that's awesome progress19:05
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diablo_rojoSotK, so just merge the master branch patch and then Monasca is good to go?19:05
SotKother projects may need further changes, but I'm fairly sure that none of the other bugs affect the monasca LP data, having successfully imported it a few times19:05
fungii'm sorry i didn't get more time for storyboardness at the ptg19:05
zara_the_lemur__that's because the user issue happens not to affect monasca, right?19:05
SotKzara_the_lemur__: yeah, at least not in my tests so far19:05
diablo_rojofungi, no worries, you had tons to do19:05
SotKI still want to test against the real data though :)19:06
* fungi is reminded he needs to finish writing his infra ptg summary19:06
zara_the_lemur__here is the story for it, might be worth noting it here:!/story/200087619:06
diablo_rojoCan test against refstack too if you want another test subject19:06
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diablo_rojosince they are the other ones ready to go as soon as we are19:06
zara_the_lemur__oh also I wrote some notes about sb in the infra ptg summary but I was very rushed so if anyone wants to tidy those up, go for it19:06
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zara_the_lemur__(summary etherpad, I mean)19:06
SotKoh, there is a migration etherpad too from our virtual thing19:07
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SotKdiablo_rojo: that sounds good, I'll also check refstack19:07
zara_the_lemur__yeah, that's a good place for anything that isn't fixed enough to go into a story, I've been moving things from there as they've become concrete enough to note somewhere more permanent19:07
diablo_rojoSotK, I will make a duplicate of the Monasca story for Refstack19:08
zara_the_lemur__acoles, from Swift, also came to ask us some questions at the ptg19:08
fungithanks zara_the_lemur__! i intend to turn it all into followable prose myself anyway, so no worries19:08
zara_the_lemur__(so there is currently a blank story in there about Swift, unless I completely imagined making that.)19:09
zara_the_lemur__haha np19:09
zara_the_lemur__it was a bit 'we did a thing, I guess'19:09
zara_the_lemur__I spent most of the week dashing between different people and getting absolutely no code written19:09
zara_the_lemur__though I think that's probably a better use of f2f time in the end...19:09
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diablo_rojozara_the_lemur__, Yeah i had a LOT of conversations but got minimal computer things done19:10
* zara_the_lemur__ has a total inability to multitask so pretty much can't read a sentence if she's talking to someone irl19:10
zara_the_lemur__let alone code19:10
diablo_rojoI feel you.19:11
diablo_rojoOkay so, what else needs to happen?19:11
zara_the_lemur__so that story lists creating the monasca project in storyboard19:11
zara_the_lemur__I believe we do that manually, at the last minute, so that it doesn't start getting used early?19:11
diablo_rojoYeah that makes sense to me19:12
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zara_the_lemur__so 1) test script on copy of prod db, 2) make monasca project in sb, 3) do it fur eel?19:12
diablo_rojoI wouldn't want it out there till we are about to start the migration.19:12
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zara_the_lemur__if that openid task isn't an issue here then I'll mark it invalid19:12
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zara_the_lemur__actually, make 'merge branch patch' item 0 or item 1.5 on that list19:13
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zara_the_lemur__this is where a sensible soul would use the board I made lol19:14
diablo_rojozara_the_lemur__, once it gets done anyway. I was looking for comments making sure I am on the right track before working on it more19:14
SotKI believe (2) consists of sending a patch to project-config right?19:14
fungiyou'll want to also patch openstack-infra/project-config:gerrit/projects.yaml to set the use_storyboard option true for openstack/monasca, likely very soon after you create the project in sb if you don't want it auto-created by that change merging, right19:14
* SotK is fine with auto-creation19:14
fungiin that case, the project will get created automagically in sb when that change merges19:15
fungiif you don't manually create it beforehand19:15
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zara_the_lemur__this is our board fwiw:!/board/4519:16
zara_the_lemur__lanes list things in the order we need to do them19:17
diablo_rojoAutomatically is my favorite :)19:17
zara_the_lemur__I'm fuzzy about what exactly we need for branches, and would appreciate some notes on that in the story19:17
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* SotK will create some19:17
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zara_the_lemur__thanks (since I know we have patches up but not what problem they solve exactly)19:18
fungiwhee! i always take "400: GET /api/v1/users/preferences: Invalid input for field/attribute user_id. Value: 'preferences'. unable to convert to int" as a sign that i don't use storyboard often enough to keep my sessions from expiring19:18
zara_the_lemur__I take it as a sign that I still haven't been able to fix the thing that has haunted me for my entire time on the project19:18
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SotKmaybe we can call it a "feature which encourages user engagement"19:18
zara_the_lemur__when I am long dead, that error will survive me19:18
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zara_the_lemur__'storyboard has an unusual rewards system for tracking your tasks'19:19
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zara_the_lemur__maybe we should replace it with a randomized cat pic with a speech bubble that says 'REFRESH THIS PAGE' in the meantime19:20
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* zara_the_lemur__ can't decide if that would be better or worse19:20
zara_the_lemur__oh! also this week, jeblair sent some boartty patches19:21
zara_the_lemur__I said I'd take a look at those; it'd be cool if we could get notifications for those in #storyboard19:22
zara_the_lemur__I don't know how to arrange that19:22
jeblairSpamapS too19:22
zara_the_lemur__oops, jeblair and SpamapS19:22
* zara_the_lemur__ has found them now19:23
SotK+1 on notifications for that in #storyboard19:23
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jeblairzara_the_lemur__, SotK: i will make it so19:23
* SotK doesn't know where the relevant config lives though19:23
zara_the_lemur__(well that's all the changes but hey)19:23
SotKjeblair: thanks :)19:23
zara_the_lemur__jeblair: wonderful, thank you19:23
SpamapSIndeed, I made a pass at tag editting in story view.19:23
SpamapSand I'm looking at making the assignee edit dialog usable with a search-as-you-type19:23
fungiSotK: for future reference, in the gerritbot subdir of the project-config repo19:23
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jeblair#link Add boartty notifications to #storyboard19:25
zara_the_lemur__argh that was so fast19:25
SotKis there anything else to discuss about in progress work?19:26
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SotK#topic Open Discussion19:27
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SotKoh actually, maybe this belongs further up, but after monasca and refstack, how are other projects looking?19:28
zara_the_lemur__Swift seemed excited about it, and said they didn't have a lot of cross-project dependencies19:29
diablo_rojoSwift would be wonderful cause its a larger project19:29
diablo_rojoAfter that I will have to start reaching out to individual projects.19:30
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diablo_rojoBut I think if we promote the migration of those three on the ML we will get tons of people requesting to move19:30
diablo_rojowe just need to prove ourselves.19:30
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SotKsounds good19:30
* SotK wonders if a good time to do some intensive stress testing might be soon19:30
diablo_rojoWouldnt be a bad idea at all19:31
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zara_the_lemur__that is my biggest concern.19:31
* diablo_rojo didnt realize oaktree already had stuff in sb19:31
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diablo_rojothats pretty cool19:31
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diablo_rojoOr maybe not..19:32
diablo_rojo I see the project but nothing in it19:32
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diablo_rojoSo, realistically, when do we think we can migrate Monasca SotK ?19:34
fungiyeah, oaktree development has mostly been happening in shade for now19:34
fungiper mordred a few days ago19:34
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SotKassuming running a test import against the production data works fine, later this week sometime19:35
diablo_rojoAh okay.19:35
SotKotherwise, hopefully next week19:35
diablo_rojoTHAT WOULD BE EPIC19:35
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diablo_rojoSotK, let me know if there is anything I can do to help. I can reach out to our liaison friend and give him the news if you think that is appropriate?19:36
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SotKlets run the test first then hopefully the news is more certain :)19:37
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diablo_rojoSounds good. I will hold off for now.19:38
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SotKanything else to discuss?19:42
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SotKthen lets end, thanks for coming folks19:45
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* SotK will be around in #storyboard for the next few hours19:45
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ekhugen_alt#startmeeting wos_mentoring20:00
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ekhugen_althi all, who's here for the mentoring meeting?20:00
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ekhugen_althi knangia!20:01
knangiahi ekhugen_alt :)20:01
knangiahow are you doing ?20:01
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Nicolehi there!20:03
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ekhugen_althi Nicole!20:03
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ekhugen_alt#topic Boston planning20:03
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ekhugen_altso I think we said we wanted to put out a call for mentors for Boston this week20:04
Nicoleyes, i think the plan was 3/120:04
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ekhugen_altso what did we want to ask in the call for mentors? I think we talked about getting a survey set up with the baseball card questions?20:06
ekhugen_altso we didn't have to try to track that down later?20:06
ekhugen_altdid we want to use the same baseball card format as last time?20:07
Nicolei had planned on using the same format, but definitely open to other fun ideas!20:08
knangiawhats the baseball card format ?20:08
ekhugen_altdo you have an example posted somewhere like google docs, Nicole?20:08
Nicolehow did we do the last call for mentors? i wasn't a part of that the last time around.20:08
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Nicolei'm happy to post a sample of the baseball cards20:09
ekhugen_altI think last time we sent it out and asked for people to fill out the general mentors survey but then we had to do the baseball card questions later20:09
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Nicoleah, looking at the link now20:09
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Nicolejust looked at the link. really like the questionnaire. a few questions ...20:11
Nicolewhat do you think about splitting it up into a questionnaire for mentors, and a questionnaire for mentees? or has this already been explored?20:11
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Nicoleif we did split them up, then we could ask the respective questions to each audience.20:12
knangiahey, so I went through the link...and read the questions20:12
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knangiawhat do we do after filling up the survey, like how do we have baseball card format20:13
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Nicoleam thinking we'll use the responses from the mentors to populate the baseball cards, and we'll use the responses from the mentees to prep the mentors & guide the rotations.20:14
ekhugen_altso the questionnaire was meant for generally collecting info about mentors (maybe for speed mentoring, upstream university, long term mentoring, etc)20:14
Nicoleah, ok, emily!20:15
ekhugen_altbut if that collects all the info you need for baseball cards, we can just point people to that again20:15
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Nicolei need to do a comparison to truly see if it does. how easy is it to edit or create a new one?20:16
ekhugen_altand knangia I think last time it was really nice of Nicole to make the baseball cards from the mentor's responses20:16
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ekhugen_altNicole, I don't think it's so easy to edit it, since we tend to lose new fields in our google spreadsheet that keeps the output20:17
Nicoleah, ok20:17
knangianice Nicole !20:17
ekhugen_altwe could just do a new google survey though, if that's better20:17
Nicoleam thinking if we can create two new ones, would it make sense to create one for mentors & one for mentees?20:17
ekhugen_altwell for mentees, we just wanted to ask them to provide three questions, right?20:18
Nicolethis way, the foundation will also have a place to drive people to who register for the session -- and perhaps we can include it as a link on the event site, on the session page?20:18
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Nicoleyes, actually 4, i think ... meaning ...20:19
ekhugen_altbecause I think for something smaller like that, we can include it on the RSVP from the foundation20:19
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Nicole1 - technical or career mentoring interest. and then their top 3 questions/interests.20:20
ekhugen_altah, right, yes20:20
ekhugen_altbut those are small enough, I think they could go on the rsvp form, right diablo_rojo?20:20
Nicoleyes, if it's better within the rsvp from the foundation, that sounds good!20:20
ekhugen_altthe baseball cards had a lot more information on them, I'm not sure we want to ask for all of that on the RSVP, right?20:21
Nicoleam thinking we ask the mentee questions in the foundation's rsvp, and we create a form (similar to the one you gave the link for) for the mentors20:22
ekhugen_alt+1 Nicole20:23
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ekhugen_altso we want to have the form ready before we do the call for mentors, I think20:23
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Nicoleyes, i think so -- it'd be great to put the link to the form in the call for mentors20:24
knangia+1 Nicole20:25
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ekhugen_altNicole, do you think you could look at the baseball card info and come up with a list of questions from that, please?20:26
Nicoleyes, absolutely!20:26
Nicolei'm looking at the info now.20:26
ekhugen_altawesome, thank you!20:26
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knangiagreat guys :D20:27
knangiaanything I can help with ?20:27
ekhugen_altdoes anyone want to volunteer to take the questions and make them into a google form?20:27
knangiai may do it...20:28
knangianeed to take questions from Nicole  ? and then make them into a google form20:28
ekhugen_altthat would be awesome knangia20:28
knangiasure !20:28
Nicolesounds good. i can have them ready fairly quickly.20:29
ekhugen_altokay and then I think I have the call for mentors emails from Barcelona20:29
Nicoleunless there are any field that anyone wants to add?20:29
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knangiasure Nicole ...let me know whenever you ready...i have to make them in to the survey format (like the link you provided above) ?20:29
ekhugen_altmaybe Nicole and knangia could post the form to openstack-women and ask if anyone has any updates before we send it out?20:30
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Nicolesounds good20:30
knangiaalso, i want to volunteer for mentor..20:30
ekhugen_altoh that would be great, thanks knangia20:31
knangiaso, how do i do that...just fill up the form or anything more?20:31
knangiayou're welcome ekhugen_alt :)20:31
ekhugen_altyes, just fill in the form you're creating, please :-)20:31
knangiayes, will do that :D thanks ekhugen_alt !20:32
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Nicoleemily, what timeframe are we targeting for the prep call with mentors?20:32
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ekhugen_altusually the prep call is a few weeks before summit, so maybe April 19th ish?20:33
Nicolesounds good. i'll put the target week in the plan i'm drafting.20:33
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ekhugen_altokay, cool, so when you have the slides put together, we'll go over them in a meeting?20:34
Nicoleyep. i've started on them, but haven't finished yet.20:35
ekhugen_altokay, thank you Nicole!20:35
ekhugen_altany other topics to discuss for Boston?20:35
Nicolei have lunch with heidi joy tomorrow & will be talking to her about the idea of the mentor/mentee stories.20:36
ekhugen_altoh great, thank you!20:36
knangiasounds good...let me know if i can include in some discussions20:37
diablo_rojoekhugen_alt, I think the plan is to send a short survey out to those that register, but I can see if we can put it on the rsvp20:37
diablo_rojoekhugen_alt, sorry I am doing like five things at once :)20:37
ekhugen_altah okay, that makes sense diablo_rojo20:37
knangiaand ping me whenever you're ready with the questions, will be making the google form Nicole20:37
Nicolesounds great! thanks!20:38
* ekhugen_alt gets multitasking as she tries to listen in on her conference call and type 20:38
Nicoleemily, one other question ...20:38
ekhugen_altsure Nicole20:38
Nicolehow have we typically gotten the word out about the call for mentors?20:38
Nicoleam wondering if i should tweet about it?20:39
ekhugen_altI think we've sent it out through listservs and then the foundation has also tweeted about it20:39
ekhugen_altyep, we definitely should tweet :-)20:39
Nicoleok, cool20:39
knangiatweet is a good option!20:39
Nicoleshould we also send word through the women of openstack?20:40
Nicolei mean, the mailing list?20:40
ekhugen_altthat's probably one of the listservs we'll send it out on20:40
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diablo_rojoNicole, yeah that would be good :) Maybe the dev ML too20:40
Nicoleok, great20:40
ekhugen_altusually I think the general openstack one, openstack-dev and the women of openstack are the three20:40
ekhugen_altdiablo_rojo beats me to the punch20:41
diablo_rojoekhugen_alt,solid list20:41
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ekhugen_altI'm out of office the next few days, so I probably won't get to send them out until later Monday, but Nicole and knangia I figured it would probably take until then to get the survey ready?20:42
diablo_rojoekhugen_alt, and if you need I can reach out to the Upstream Uni mentors and see if any of them are interested. I'm hesitant to poke at them until after we have contacted people other ways just cause we are already bombarding them with things for Upstream Training for Boston.20:42
knangiai guess yes20:43
diablo_rojoekhugen_alt, I can get the survey done today if you know exactly what you want on it. Is there a doc you can share with me?20:43
ekhugen_altI think that's fine diablo_rojo, we usually get a good number of mentors from the callouts on the mailing lists20:43
ekhugen_altdiablo_rojo I think Nicole was going to come up with the list of questions20:43
diablo_rojoekhugen_alt, wider variety too if you reach out to the other ML's20:43
diablo_rojoGot it20:44
diablo_rojoNicole, just send it to me whenever you are ready. I can set up the survey and then send it back for a final check.20:44
knangialet me know what I can help with then !20:45
Nicoleyep, sounds good20:45
ekhugen_altthanks everyone!20:45
ekhugen_altany other topics around Boston planning?20:46
knangiathank you ! ping me whenever you're ready Nicole , can get the google form ready :)20:46
ekhugen_altoh I think maybe we better decide on who's going to do the form between diablo_rojo and knangia20:47
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diablo_rojoGoogle forms can't be accessed by people in China :/20:48
knangiaumm, i'm fine with anything guys20:48
diablo_rojoThe foundation uses formstack usually for these things, but I'm flexible.20:48
ekhugen_altI didn't want to volunteer the foundation, just because I know it's busy with summit stuff20:49
ekhugen_altbut formstack is probably the better choice20:49
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diablo_rojoI have some bandwith since my focuses are more on the PTGs20:49
Nicoleah, ok20:49
diablo_rojoIt doesn't take more than ten min, but I don't wanna steal someone's job from them :)20:50
ekhugen_altknangia maybe you can help review the form and questions?20:50
Nicolei'll look at the questions via the link that emily provided earlier, and then at the baseball cards, and make sure we have everything captured.20:50
knangiayes sure ekhugen_alt20:50
diablo_rojoTotally I can send the form to whoever for review20:50
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Nicoleand i'll also find a way to post a sample of the baseball cards online so that you can all view it20:50
diablo_rojoSo excited to see them!20:51
Nicolei can also send through email if that works for folks20:51
ekhugen_altsure, email or posting in openstack-women I think works20:51
knangiashould work20:51
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ekhugen_altone question I want to get to before we run out of time, should we meet every week from now until summit?20:52
ekhugen_altit seems like we're usually running out of time20:52
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diablo_rojoekhugen_alt, I'm flexible :)20:53
Nicolesounds good to me20:54
ekhugen_altwe can always end early if we run out of topics, but we haven't even talked about long-term mentoring in awhile20:54
knangiasounds good20:54
ekhugen_altokay, thanks!  I'll put the meeting on the calendar every week between now and summit20:54
ekhugen_altany other topics in our last 5 minutes?20:55
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ekhugen_alt#topic opens20:55
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diablo_rojoSounds good to me :)20:55
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ekhugen_altokay, if no one has any other topics, we'll end a few minutes early20:56
ekhugen_altthank you everyone!20:56
ekhugen_althave a good week!20:57
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knangiayou too ekhugen_alt  :)20:58
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notmynameswift team meeting time21:00
notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:00
notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
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notmynamewelcome, everyone21:02
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claygwhere's onovy and rledisez21:02
notmynamethey're not normally here, but it's also very late for them21:02
notmynamecschwede: ?21:03
notmynametdasilva: ?21:03
tdasilvai'm half here ;)21:03
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claygmaybe we should do one of those global timezone calendar things agains and sanity check our meeting time21:03
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notmynameclayg: best time globally is 7 or 8am us pacific time. that's never seemed too viable, unfortunately ;-)21:04
notmynameok, let's get started21:04
notmynamegood to see everyone here21:04
notmynameagenda is at...21:04
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notmyname#topic PTG summary21:04
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notmynameI wrote some thoughts about the PTG at
notmynameour notes are collected at (or linked from)
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notmynameif you've got something more detailed about a particular topic, PLEASE link to it from the ideas page21:05
notmynameand project team photos are at (if you missed it)21:06
notmynameok, I think that's it for general purpose links :-)21:06
notmynameso... what'd you think? how was the PTG?21:06
notmynameclayg: how was the food?21:06
notmyname(I'm kidding. don't talk about the food)21:06
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mattoliverauPTG was good. much better then I expected it to be21:07
claygOS - keeping expectations low21:07
acolesnotmyname: nice write up21:08
notmynamemattoliverau: anything more than that?21:08
notmynameacoles: thanks21:08
mattoliverauas always we had alot going on, and multiple discussions going at once in the Swift room.21:08
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mattoliverauBut I really enjoyed the hallway track as well. So it was good that other projects were around21:08
notmynameyeah, that was good21:08
notmynameof course the PTG is new, so it's hard to compare with what we've done in the past. and the upcoming summit is the other parts of the big rescheduling changes21:09
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notmynameI"m planning on having more info for everyone about the summit by next week21:09
acolesIMO the 3 swift days were as productive as previous midcycles21:09
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notmynamewere we negatively impacted by it being 3 days instead of 4?21:09
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notmynamedid we lose anything by not having a sponsored evening group activity?21:10
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notmynamewere the first two days effective and useful for the swift community? (ie yes, it's good to work with different projects, but was that productive with regard to making an awesome storage system?)21:10
mattoliverauI think the 3 days didn't impact us too bad, as we broke up into small discussions early (from the start).21:10
mattoliverauThough I do miss the Ops feedback21:11
notmynamemattoliverau: YES!21:11
notmynamewas there anything that you'd change for the next PTG?21:11
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acolesonce or twice i was aware of two simultaneous discussions that I would like to have been in but that has happened at 4 day events as well21:12
tdasilvaget onovy and briancline there ????21:12
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kota_if it could be21:12
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acolesdid we get many ops to midcycles before? or mainly at summits?21:12
kota_swapping project specific days and cross-project days might be usefule?21:12
tdasilvakota_: i was thinking the same thing21:12
mattoliverauacoles: nope good point21:13
kota_to cover topics which is discussed not enough21:13
acolesnotmyname: re sponsored evening...we had kind people who organised dinner venues for us at PTG :)21:13
notmynameacoles: yeah, briancline has been to at least on midcycle, IIRC (but sometimes the events blend together in memory)21:13
kota_which are21:13
notmynamekota_: that's a really interesting idea21:13
claygacoles: IIRC we've historically had more ops feedback at the design summits - but we had ahale one time in san antonio and it was great21:13
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claygI love ops - they can come hang out anytime21:13
kota_not sure it works well for cross projects21:13
jrichlisorry im late21:14
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acolesclayg: right21:14
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notmynamekota_: do you mean that the last two days would be for cross project but could be used for project-specific stuff as necessary?21:14
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kota_notmyname: yes21:14
notmynameany other feedback on the week? other comments or suggestions that we can take to the larger openstack community?21:15
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mattoliverauJust better scheduling, its hard to search through everyones etherpad21:16
kota_mattoliverau: +121:16
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torgomatictry not to schedule on top of holidays?21:16
mattoliverauAnd I miss the snacks and coke from developer lounge, but understand that costs money :)21:16
notmynametorgomatic: in which country? but yeah :-)21:17
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torgomaticnotmyname: host country, maybe21:17
tdasilvanotmyname: my thought with switching the days, is that we would be able to discuss things in project first which may raise questions for cross project later in the week21:17
mattoliveraumaybe more projector or sceens in rooms21:17
torgomaticalso, do we know yet if going to Boston will be useful for those of us who are only focused on development?21:17
tdasilvanot sure it makes sense, but the thought occurred to me...21:17
torgomatic(sorry if that's a bit off topic)21:17
notmynametorgomatic: that's what I want to learn myself this week and have info about during next week's meeting21:18
notmynametdasilva: yeah, that makes sense21:18
mattoliverautorgomatic: I think the Sydney forum might clash with an Oz holiday. so yeah21:18
torgomaticnotmyname: 👍21:18
acolesmattoliverau: is there a day in AU that is not a holiday ? ;)21:18
notmynametdasilva: alternatively, the later discussions we had in the week were simpler because you'd *already* figured out devstack/infra stuff at the first of the week :-)21:18
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mattoliverauacoles: a few, like next tueday.. that isn't a holiday :P21:19
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tdasilvanotmyname: yeah, that's what i was trying to figure the same true about barbica for example?21:19
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notmynamehard to say. hard to know what could have happened :-)21:20
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notmynameanything else to bring up before we move on?21:20
notmynameoverall, I thought it was a great week, and that's mostly due to you, the swift community. so thanks for being there21:21
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notmyname(and if you weren't there, you were missed) *cough*joel*cough*21:21
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joeljwrightnotmyname: thanks, I definitely feel like I missed out :(21:22
notmynamemattoliverau: thanks for filling out the container sharding trello
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notmyname#topic swift3+auth bug21:22
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notmynametimburke: your topic. what's up?21:23
timburkebug's at
openstackLaunchpad bug 1561199 in OpenStack Security Advisory "Client-accessible headers are used to send authentication information to other middlewares" [Undecided,Incomplete]21:23
notmyname(note that it's public, despite being a security advisory)21:23
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timburketl;dr is that from a presigned s3 url, an attacker can get access to everything the signer could access, rather than just the specific object21:24
notmynamethanks :-)21:24
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timburkei mainly wanted to highlight that every auth middleware i've seen that supports swift3 has been affected, so anyone with in-house auth that integrates with swift3 should go audit to see if they're affected and plan on changing to the new env vars21:24
notmynameand more specifically, it's related to the particular auth system that is being used (right?)21:24
timburkei think beyond that, i just need notmyname to click the buttons on the swift patches21:25
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notmynamespecifically, the backport patches so that the swift3 changes can be landed21:25
notmynamesince, in part, swift3 tests against swift stable and not swift master21:25
kota_notmyname: yes21:25
notmynameI'm planning on doing that this afternoon21:25
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claygnotmyname: this is ???21:26
notmynametimburke: and by "every auth middleware" you mean tempauth (dont' use this anyway), swauth, keystone. any others?21:26
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timburkere: auth system -- yup; it's a breakdown in input validation -- swift3 only does it's validation when the Authorization header starts with 'AWS ', while every auth system i've looked at will try to authenticate with *every* Authorzation header21:26
notmynameclayg: actually the backport is
timburkeswiftstack's auth21:27
timburkei would expect anyone derived from tempauth to be similarly affected21:27
claygnotmyname: is the plan... to land the backport before we land the change on master?21:27
notmynameclayg: no21:27
notmynameok, let me rephrase my own plan: after my meetings are done today, I'll be looking at the patch to master (which timburke might already +A) and the proposed backport to see what needs to happen21:28
timburkeso go land 20 and then the backport (22), so i can land swift3's fix21:28
timburkeand if anyone has a better idea for how i can land critical security fixes in swift3 without needing swift backports, i'm all ears21:29
notmynametimburke: general question about this... after landing, what breaks if someone upgrades without rewriting their auth integration?21:29
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claygnotmyname: the plan is for timburke to +A his own patch to swift master?  Even though he's currently asking if anyone has a better plan?21:30
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timburkenotmyname: s3 api access21:30
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timburkewe're making a conscious break to force middleware authors to deal with it21:31
kota_neither older swift3 + new swift auth nor new swift3 + older swift auth works21:31
kota_for s3 api21:31
timburkeclayg: i think this will have to be the plan for this fix. i'd be interested in ideas for avoiding backports to tempauth for future issues21:31
claygtimburke: kota_: sounds ok to me!21:31
claygtimburke: how do you avoid bacports if you make backwards incompatible changes?21:32
notmynamewhat's the status of a swauth patch?21:32
claygdo you want current swift3 to work with old swift or not?21:32
timburkeclayg: with old swift, yes. with old tempauth, i don't care so much21:33
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timburkenotmyname: submitted -- passes gate, but i haven't func tested recently21:33
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timburke(it looks like swauth doesn't have func tests in the gate)21:34
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notmynametempauth patch: needed for swift3 gate, swauth: should also bump the dependency on swift3, other proprietary auth: same as swauth but we can't patch it21:35
timburkei'll probably submit a backport for keystonemiddleware, too, although the real solution there is to switch to using swift3's version of s3token21:35
notmynameso timburke's point is that if you are running swift3, you need to examine your auth system, especially if it's something internal/proprietary21:35
timburkeand that's about all i had for that topic21:36
claygtimburke: and we can't just file a bug that says swauth doesn't work with swift3 > xyz?21:37
notmynameand clayg's points/questions are good. we'll land master first. in this case, it's a patch to tempauth (which should be relatively low impact), but anyone else can also go review that if you're super concerned about it21:37
timburkeclayg: i might as well be a *little* more helpful than that21:37
claygthere's a security bug in swauth that requires a change - so we may as well work with new swift3 while we're at it?21:38
notmynameclayg: IMO yes21:38
notmynameshall we move on to the last topic?21:38
claygnotmyname: yes we *can* just file the bug?  Or yes there is a security hole that requires a change anyway?21:38
notmynameclayg: yes there's a sec bug that requires a change anyway21:39
claygit's not writing the damn change - it's finding enough people to give a ^&*# about swauth+swift3 to get it landed?21:39
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timburkei'm not sure i see your point21:40
notmynamecan we have that conversation either in -swift or somewhere else?21:41
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notmyname#topic Add X-Backend-Versioning-Mode-Override21:41
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notmynametimburke: this is also something you brought up. what's up here?21:41
timburkeso i'm going to talk about swift3 some more :P21:41
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timburkei've been working with an outreachy intern, karenc, who's been working on using the new history mode for versioned writes to implement s3-like versioning for swift321:42
notmynamethat's cool21:42
claygtimburke: there's a patch up right?21:43
timburkeshe's submitted because she needed to be able to toggle between modes in some cases, and double POSTing to the container before doing an object delete seems like a Bad Idea21:43
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timburkeclayg pointed out that it might be nice as a client-accessible feature, but i had some memory of us moving away from that during the review of
timburkeso i wanted opinions on whether to make this part of the public api or leave it just for middleware authors21:44
claygtimburke: that's the same change?21:44
notmynameshoudl be
timburkei'd pushed toward the latter (use an X-Backend-* header) just because if we change our mind later, it's easier to open it up than close it21:46
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timburkeso, thoughts? tdasilva, maybe?21:46
notmynameAdding X-Backend-Versioning-Mode-Override allows swift3 to override the21:46
notmynamestored versioning mode for one request.  This means that even if the21:46
notmynameversioning mode is set to "history", if the request has the header21:46
notmyname"X-Backend-Versioning-Mode-Override: stack", swift will use "stack" as21:46
notmynamethe versioning mode.21:46
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notmynameso the question is, do we keep that as a private thing or allow end-users to use that (ie drop the x-backend- part)21:47
tdasilvado we need to decide that now?21:47
tdasilvai can look at it, but don't have an opinion now21:47
notmynametdasilva: you'd expressed hesitation earlier, and clayg suggesting it should be public. thus "meeting topic" ;-)21:47
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notmynameso, no, AFAIK we don't have to decide it right this minute (correct me timburke)21:48
timburkeonly time constraint is that karenc's internship ends next week, but it sounds like she'll try to still get outstanding patches landed afterward21:49
claygtimburke: is there a swift3 change that makes use of the header?21:49
tdasilvatimburke: please don't let me hold up things, i only meant to say i'd have to load this stuff up in my head again and think it through...21:49
tdasilvabut i trust others to make the right decision, so don't wait up for me if you can move things forward21:50
timburketdasilva: yeah, no worries :-) i'd prefer a thought-through response over a snap judgement21:50
claygtimburke: notmyname: the history on patch 214922 - do you have he specific comment/context where someone said "clients should not be able to set version mode per request because xyz"21:50
timburkeclayg: not yet. it'll probably be part of but right now i think that just does the double-post thing21:51
timburkeon ps3, "The part I'm a little hesitant about is with the query parameter. I don't really see the need for it, why not just make it a configuration option. In this case I think I'd prefer the simplicity of having one or the other, but not both."21:52
claygtimburke: so I don't love the idea of merging a string for some middleware to pull at and supporting that interface without functionally testing all the bits work together the way we want to solve the use-case21:52
claygtimburke: if we make it a proper swift feature we can move orthogonally to the middleware - if it's just there for swift3 - I'd like to know it works for swift3 - I think that's about the whole of it21:53
timburkeclayg: even if it works for swift3 now, you wouldn't know when you break it later anyway. that's why swift3 is gating off ocata and not master -- we have a habit of breaking internal interfaces21:54
claygtimburke: wasn't that concern raised before containers *had* a versioning mode?21:54
claygtimburke: that we have containers with a default versioning mode - and you can flop containers back and forth - is it really so insane to think you can flop individual requests off the default mode per request (should probably be a qs)21:55
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claygtimburke: ok, and I think we should do better at that - one part of that strategy is being smart about the interfaces we "support" - and avoiding swift3 digging magic roots into other middlewares that only make sense in the context of swift3?21:57
notmynameI wish we'd been able to discuss this topic (new external or internal api headers) last week21:57
clayganyway - my vote is the same 1) it could totally be a public client feature if someone wanted that and it would make it easier to maintain 2) if we don't want to do that work lets at least make sure it works for the consumer it's intended for21:57
claygwhy didn't we?21:58
notmynamewe're running out of time in here in the meeting room21:58
timburke...not many people care about swift3?21:58
notmynameso what's the conclusion for this topic? timburke anything specific to do next?21:58
mattoliverauI'm not against it becoming a public API, execpt that once it's pulically a part of the API we can't (or don't) remove it. So rather be a thought out decision before we add something. Though in this case I don't realy see the harm.21:58
claygthat's too bad!  I'd like to get better at using swift3!21:59
timburkei guess i need to push toward having a swift3 patch that uses the functionality. even though swift3 can't have any functests for it21:59
notmynamemattoliverau: " I don't see the harm" <-- dangerous words ;-)21:59
notmynametimburke: ack21:59
claygtimburke: we should work on swift3 having a gate against master - and eventually having swift cogate with swift3 as well22:00
mattoliverauyeah, which is why tdasilva's loading into brain and thinking about it is important ;)22:00
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notmynametdasilva: did you see how mattoliverau just avoided reviewing the patch by saying you would? ;-)22:00
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notmynametimburke: I like your thought on getting the swift3 patch in22:01
notmynameok, we're at time22:01
mattoliveraudamn you saw through it :P22:01
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notmynamemattoliverau: lol22:01
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notmynamethank you, everyone, for coming. thank you for your work on swift22:01
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