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gongysh#startmeeting tacker05:33
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  8 05:33:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.05:33
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tacker'05:33
gongysh#topic roll call05:33
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gongyshsridhar_ram, the magic word works in the end.05:34
sridhar_ramgongysh: :)05:34
gongyshJimmyYe2528, YanXing_an  hi05:34
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gongyshtoday, core  dkushwaha and tbh are not here.05:35
gongyshtung_doan is not either.05:35
gongyshso our meeting will be shorter than expected.05:35
gongysh#topic agenda05:35
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gongysh#topic review stats05:37
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gongyshdiga_, hi05:37
diga_gongysh: Hi05:37
gongyshI have seen the first patch for API05:38
gongyshnew API.05:38
gongyshtacker teams performance is bad05:38
gongyshwe are very behind the review and commit data.05:39
diga_gongysh: yeah05:39
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diga_gongysh: I haven't added test case yet, but will start pushing those also along with PS now onwards -
sridhar_ramgongysh: yes, we need to improve.. can we indicate specific review priority and owners05:40
gongyshto meet our target in PTG virtual meeting, we need double our review efforts.05:40
gongyshcurrent, the non-core YanXing_an is working hard to help review.05:41
sridhar_ramgongysh: we shd consider using
diga_gongysh: I think we can handover module wise responsibilities of reviews to team, so that it will be faster05:41
sridhar_ramgongysh: it is a Rally / Jira like tool for tracking tasks05:41
gongyshdiga_, for example?05:42
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diga_this way everyone can pick respective PS faster05:43
gongyshfor example, diga is owning NSD reviewing, gongysh is for API, sridhar_ram is for VIM etc. ?05:43
gongyshdiga_, it is a good idea. when we have a lot of patches on plate, we can do this.05:44
diga_This way we know the respective owners also to ping for reviews, it will be faster in this case05:44
diga_:) yeah05:45
gongyshdiga_,  first our commiter should pay attention to our own quality of codes to reduce the review efforts.05:47
gongyshdiga_,  I cannot see review stats of you. :)05:47
diga_gongysh: yeah05:47
gongyshlets move to next05:48
YanXing_angongysh: agree with you05:48
diga_gongysh: I don't have yet but I will target daily one PS review05:48
gongyshsridhar_ram, about storyboard. I will have a look at it.05:48
sridhar_ramgongysh: okay05:49
gongysh#action gongysh to learn storyboard to see if we should use it.05:49
gongysh#topic features and BPs05:49
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gongyshfirst here I want to talk is still the task scheduling framework05:50
gongyshI have looked at consul, and learned its 'watch' capability is not open to API05:51
sridhar_ramgongysh: what you mean?05:51
gongyshthink about:05:52
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sridhar_ramgongysh: it doesn't have a callback mech when a key / sub-tree is changed ?05:52
gongyshsridhar_ram, it seems there is no such mech.05:53
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sridhar_ramgongysh: did you go through this ?
gongyshthe 'watch' is just a consul agent command.05:54
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gongyshthe agent need to watch a stuff and call a 'command' then.05:55
gongyshThat is its callback thing.05:55
gongyshIn our system, we need a API way.05:56
gongyshnext week I will come up with a poc implementation, and then lets have a scaling test, for example 100 VIMs and its ping task.05:57
sridhar_ramgongysh: in the case of consul looks you need an "tacker-callback-handler" to turn it into an API05:58
sridhar_ramgongysh: sounds good...05:58
gongyshok, let's move to next BP05:58
sridhar_ramgongysh: also, it will be good to find of any other openstack project relies on a JVM / java component05:58
gongyshdragonflows is one.05:59
gongyshif we are talking SDN controllers, neutron -> odl will be one too.05:59
gongyshI think we will someday to use odl sfc driver of networking-sfc.06:00
sridhar_ramno, neutron + ODL is not a good analogy06:00
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sridhar_ramODL is an optional component separated by an API boundary06:01
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sridhar_ramBut for us zookeeper will become a basic necessity to run tacker even in its simple form06:01
gongyshIn fact, I also want to let zookeeper to be pluggable.06:01
sridhar_ramagain, i'm not hell bent on avoiding zookeeper .. trying to get as many possible issues upfront before we go to implementation06:02
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gongyshsridhar_ram, can you have a look at consul to avoid my ignorance of its capability?06:03
sridhar_ramthis scalable task framework shd be eventually used even for basic VNF creation06:03
sridhar_ramgongysh: sure, will take a deeper look into consul06:03
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gongyshsridhar_ram,  next meeting, we can have talk again.06:04
sridhar_ramgongysh: sure, .. btw, this is very interesting topic06:04
gongysh#topic NSD with vnffg06:04
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gongyshsince tbh and dkushwaha are not here, we will have to skip it.06:05
sridhar_ramgongysh: heads up, tim rozet is interested in co-authoring the spec and implementation for this effort06:05
gongyshtrozet, hi06:05
sridhar_ramgongysh: given he is the original author of vnffg it make sense to involve him06:05
sridhar_ramit is late night for trozet, he won't be here06:06
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gongyshsridhar_ram, but I have asked tbh and dkushwaha to involve him. and asked him myself. the result is: trozet has no much time on tacker project.06:06
sridhar_ramgongysh: but he reached out to be available to co-author a portion of it ..06:06
gongyshsridhar_ram,  yes.06:07
gongyshguys do not forget we have another site to watch (consul watch :) the bugs of tacker client.06:08
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gongyshYanXing_an, hi06:09
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gongyshtalk about the bugs on your plate?06:09
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1667652 in tacker "Remove VIM credential storage problem on local file system" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Yan Xing'an (yanxingan)06:10
YanXing_anI add a comment in this bug about gnocchi06:10
gongyshYanXing_an, I don't want to store the key via gnocchi.06:10
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gongyshmy original idea is to learn its way to drive ceph or swift.06:11
gongyshand save the key on ceph or as swift object.06:11
YanXing_angongysh: seams that i miss the point06:12
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gongyshsridhar_ram,  we cannot store fernet key into DB, right06:13
sridhar_ramgongysh: yes, thats the underlying restriction we are working with06:13
sridhar_ramgongysh: i'm wondering if we shd reach out keystone team again to see if there is a solution (it is > 1 year since we got that recommendation)06:14
gongyshYanXing_an, can you reach out to keystone team?06:14
YanXing_angongysh: i will ping keystone team in ML.06:15
gongysh#action YanXing_an ping keystone team.06:16
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1667236 in tacker "get_vim_resource_id() got an unexpected keyword argument 'vim_auth'" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Yan Xing'an (yanxingan)06:17
gongyshYanXing_an, one bug is vnffg functional test.06:17
YanXing_anJimmy Ye will talking about vnffg FT06:18
gongyshI think we have a few bugs and patches on vnffg feature.06:18
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gongyshI want the vnffg functional test to be the gate for us to approve other vnffg small bug fix.06:18
gongyshJimmyYe2528, hi06:19
gongyshJimmyYe2528, are you here?06:19
gongyshwill you come up with a patch to do VNFFG FT?06:20
JimmyYe2528but i need get_vim_resoure_id() fix06:20
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JimmyYe2528otherwise, FT will run failed06:20
gongysha new change about networking-sfc: it supports symmetric chain now.06:21
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gongyshJimmyYe2528, yes, but the gate tests failed.06:21
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gongyshI am waiting the gate tests.06:21
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JimmyYe2528ok, I'll update part1 for vnffg FT06:22
gongysh#topic opendiscussion06:22
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gongyshJimmyYe2528, thanks.06:22
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gongyshJimmyYe2528, and can you spend some time on reviewing.06:22
gongyshsridhar_ram, hi06:23
JimmyYe2528ok, i can try it06:23
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sridhar_ramgongysh: fyi, nova possibly using zookeeper to track compute nodes ..
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sridhar_ramgongysh: whats up06:23
gongyshsridhar_ram, nova zookeeper, great.06:23
gongyshsridhar_ram, in fact if I have time, I want to let neutron to use zookeeper for agents heart beats.06:24
sridhar_ramgongysh: i can find only the manual, couldn't find the corresponding code :(06:24
sridhar_ramgongysh: but if nova indeed uses it .. it will help your case !06:24
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gongyshdo you guys have something to talk?06:25
sridhar_ramnothing else from my side06:25
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gongyshYanXing_an, JimmyYe2528 ?06:26
diga_gongysh: hi06:26
gongyshdiga_, anything to share?06:26
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diga_gongysh: nothing, once I put another patch I will let you know06:27
diga_gongysh: I will take some ownership of review if you want I haven't had any yet on tacker06:27
gongyshdiga_, you are patch generator.06:27
diga_gongysh: may be API/VIM related06:27
gongyshlets end the meeting06:28
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Mar  8 06:28:18 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)06:28
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gongyshsridhar_ram, have a good night.06:28
sridhar_ramgongysh: thanks, have a nice rest of your day06:28
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joehuang#startmeeting tricircle14:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  8 14:02:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tricircle'14:02
joehuang#topic rollcall14:02
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joehuang#info joehuang14:02
joehuanghi, xiongqiu14:02
dongfeng#info dongfeng14:02
longxiongqiu#info longxiongqiu14:03
zhiyuan#info zhiyuan14:03
Yipei#info Yipei14:03
fanyishi#info fanyishi14:03
Guest47635#info jiawei14:03
Guest47635sorry my id14:03
RongHui11#info ronghui14:03
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yinxiulin#info xiulin14:04
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joehuang#topic Pike-1 feature priority discussion14:04
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joehuangthe pike-1 is on Mar.23 according to the plan14:05
joehuangwe need to figure out what features can be delivered in pike-114:05
joehuangand prioritize the review14:06
joehuang#info pike-1 milestone is Mar.2314:06
dongfengthe spec for async job is still in review. I think it can be completed in pike-1.14:06
joehuangok, yes, the async job spec could be landed in pike-114:07
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RongHui11the code for qos has been pass the test today and can submit ASAP.14:07
joehuang#info async job spec landing in pike-114:08
RongHui11and spec for qos can be update after the patch submit14:08
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joehuangI saw the patch submitted, it's great progress14:08
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joehuangbut seems that the test cases are missing14:09
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hejiaweiI am reading write the spec for metering14:09
longxiongqiui have test the qos by manual in real enviroment, is successful.14:09
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longxiongqiui will add the test cases.14:09
joehuangIt works, that's great, xiongqiu14:09
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joehuangto xiongqiu, could you split it into smaller patch, this patch is very big14:10
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joehuanghi, victor14:10
electrocucarachaHey joehuang  :)14:11
zhiyuanhi, victor14:11
joehuang#action divide qos patch to smaller patch to make review easier14:11
joehuangmorning, victor, nice to meet you here14:11
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joehuangwe are discussion what's to be landed in pike-114:12
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* electrocucaracha waves back everybody14:12
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joehuangHi, Victor, could you read the message we discussed few minutes ago14:14
joehuangshould I retype it here14:14
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electrocucarachajoehuang: sure, you can continue with the meeting, I'm gonna turn on my computer14:15
joehuanghello, other features to be landed in pike-1?14:16
zhiyuanmost of the patches for vxlan have been submitted, now i am working on a performance optimization patch14:16
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Yipeifor LBaaS, i plan to implement default SEG rule update first14:17
joehuangfor QoS, spec has been reviewed several rounds, so the spec is hoped to be landed in pike-114:17
joehuangbut for code, it's up to our prioritization discussion14:17
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Yipeisince creating lb, listener will trigger operation of seg rules14:18
joehuangvxlan is the essential feature for pike-114:18
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joehuangto Yipei, +1, you can start from patch by patch for the LBaaS14:19
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Yipeifor spec, how about submitting one for LBaaS in one region with tricircle?14:19
joehuangrouter az support also has been reviewed several rounds14:20
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Yipeithen one for multiple region14:20
joehuanggood idea14:21
yinxiulinrouter az support can be completed in pike-1 if need14:21
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joehuanghello, victor, may we release python-tricircleclient on pike-1(some test may be added step by step)14:23
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electrocucarachasure, I was thinking to check the process for releasing something stable soon14:23
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electrocucarachaand include it in devstack14:23
joehuangthe more we use it, the better14:24
joehuangthe client is often released frequently14:24
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joehuangok, let's now do the review prioritization for these features to be landed in pike-114:26
joehuangwe can list and rank them in the etherpad:
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joehuangplease let the items14:28
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zhiyuanput them in the milestone planning section?14:29
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joehuang#topic open discussion14:56
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joehuangfew minutes left, any other topics?14:57
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rong_HuIno for me14:57
Yipeino for me14:57
yinxiulinno for me14:57
dongfengno for me14:57
electrocucarachano for me14:57
longxiongqiuno for me14:57
joehuangok, thank you attending meeting14:58
joehuanghave a nice day14:58
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Mar  8 14:58:16 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)14:58
electrocucarachathanks joehuang14:58
openstackMinutes (text):
longxiongqiubye. :)14:58
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joehuangthank you, Victor, you have to come to office so early :)14:58
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smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  8 16:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at
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smcginnisping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylikehu16:00
geguileoHi! o/16:00
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smcginnis#topic Announcements16:01
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smcginnis#link Review focus16:01
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smcginnisThe review etherpad has been updated.16:01
smcginnisWould be great to get those new driver contributors feedback earlier rather than later.16:02
smcginnisStill waiting on CI for most of them though I think. Well, a couple.16:02
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smcginnis#topic Pike Goals16:03
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smcginnisThere are a couple of community wide goals set for Pike.16:03
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smcginnisWe're in pretty good shape to meet those goals from the Cinder side, just a few things to get in place.16:03
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smcginnis#info Goal #1: WSGI via Apache16:04
smcginnis#link WSGI Goal16:04
smcginnisI think the only thing not in place is that one of the requirements is to have devstack deploy Cinder-api that way.16:04
smcginnisI put up a patch to switch devstack to do that here:
smcginnisBut I haven't had a chance to go back and see what I missed. :)16:05
smcginnisSo if anyone has interest and knowledge there, I'm sure there's something basic that I overlooked.16:05
eharneydoes this mean that will be the only supported way to deploy Cinder?16:05
smcginnis#link Patch to switch devstack to use Apache.16:06
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mlakatit's cinder-api only, right?16:06
smcginniseharney: I don't believe so. I think we can still deploy the way we are today, but this moves it in that direction.16:06
guyr-infinidatwe have a number of pending patches for the infinidat driver, we kinda need those merged in before we do implement the generic volumes api16:06
smcginnismlakat: Correct, this is just the cinder-api interface.16:06
smcginnisguyr-infinidat: Great, but that has nothing to do with APache. :)16:06
smcginnis#info Goal #2: Python 3 Support16:07
smcginnis#link Python 3.5 support16:07
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smcginnisThis is another one where we are pretty much there, but just missing a couple things.16:07
smcginnisMainly, having functional tests run using py35.16:07
hemnaany talk about switching over CI to python 3 ?16:07
guyr-infinidatyeah I know sorry for jumping in late :)16:07
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smcginnishemna: I don't want to go there yet, but we will need to at some point.16:08
smcginnisguyr-infinidat: ;)16:08
hemnaor using ubuntu 16.x as the supported ubuntu (which uses python 3 by default)16:08
smcginnisOur functional tests are actually failing right now, at least last I looked.16:08
smcginnishemna: It must be 16.04 now. 14.04 support was blocked in devstack by default now.16:08
smcginnisThat was one of several things causing the complete meltdown of our CIs over the last week or two.16:09
hemnaok, isn't that mean that python 3 is the default?  It takes a bit of effort to get python 2.x working there....16:09
smcginnisSo I think e0ne had said he was working on fixing the functional tests.16:09
smcginnisHe's not here right now, so need to follow up.16:09
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smcginnisBut I think once we have those working again, probably trivial to switch to using py35 to run them.16:10
smcginnishemna: No, even on 16.04 py27 is the default. But it is nice in that py35 is there by default.16:10
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smcginnisSo to meet the Pike community goals, we are pretty close. Just a couple minor things to get in place and I think we can state Cinder has met those goals.16:11
jungleboyjsmcginnis: But pep8 runs with py3 by default in 16.0416:11
smcginnisjungleboyj: Oh? I hadn't noticed. That's good.16:11
jungleboyjYeah, I pushed up a patch to fix stuff that was broken as a result.  It merged a while ago.16:12
smcginnisThe ultimate goal is to move completely to py3 and eventually discontinue py27 support.16:12
jungleboyjSo, we are good there.16:12
smcginnisI think 2020 or something is the planned end of life for Python 2, so we want to get there before then.16:12
eharneythe gate pep8 job still runs on py2716:12
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jungleboyjeharney:  Yeah, but if you are using 16.04 locally, it didn't work for Cinder.16:13
smcginnisOK, just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of the goals. Feel free to help in any way.16:13
smcginnis#topic Reuse API v2 for v1 calls16:13
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smcginnis#link Refactoring patch16:13
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smcginnisThis one discussed briefly at the PTG.16:13
jungleboyjCan me make 2020?  ;-)16:14
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smcginnisBut e0ne had some comments on there.16:14
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smcginnisI wanted to clarify what's going on with that.16:14
smcginnisSo we have deprecated API v1 for a while now.16:14
smcginnisA long while.16:14
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smcginnisIt sounds like we may finally be able to remove it soon. I'm hoping to be able to do that in Queens if we can get the buy in from folks.16:14
smcginnisThis is mainly people outside of Cinder.16:15
smcginnisIn the meantime..16:15
smcginnisjgriffith pointed out that v1 and v2 were basically identical.16:15
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smcginnisThere are just a few minor changes as far as which fields are returned and some 200 codes vs 202s.16:15
smcginnisSo rather than having all that duplicated code, we should be able to just reuse most of the logic.16:16
eharneyi just wonder if the risk of introducing behavior changes in v1 is worth the benefit of refactoring this if we're going to remove it soon anyway16:16
smcginnisv2 is frozen as well. And now deprecated too.16:16
smcginniseharney: v2 is frozen, so if we introduce a behavior change, we've screwed up.16:16
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mlakatI would say let's not refactor something that will be deleted soon.16:16
smcginnisI'd rather get rid of the code as much as possible. And honestly, at this point I don't care if a minor change sneaks through. But if we want to just wait for full removal, we can do that too.16:17
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mlakatsorry, just to put me in context: what would be the exact refactoring action?16:18
jungleboyjWouldn't we want to try the removal with v1 and see what happens rather than cutting off a whole limb taking v1 and v2 at once?16:18
hemnajungleboyj, hail satan16:18
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mlakatmake v1 and v2 use the same code?16:19
smcginnismlakat: Refactoring patch16:19
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* mlakat whoops16:19
smcginnisjungleboyj: Not sure I follow.16:19
hemnamlakat, no, but the external interface is basically the same16:19
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Oh, I am sorry, I am thinking wrong here because we won't take v2 out when we delete v1.16:20
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SwansonWhack em all at once.16:20
smcginnisjungleboyj: Right. So when we remove v1 completely, it will just be a small patch.16:20
smcginnisOr we leave it, carry around this extra duplicate code until we can remove it all.16:21
smcginnisI just don't want to hold on to things with the expectation that something may or may not happen in the near future.16:21
jungleboyjWell, I am all for getting the duplicate code out.16:21
smcginnisWe do that, then it's two years later and we're still talking about it. :)16:21
jungleboyjsmcginnis: ++16:22
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smcginnisWell, please comment on the patch with anything. At least I've stated the case. :)16:23
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smcginnis#topic Database Indexes16:23
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smcginnismlakat: ALl yours.16:23
mlakatyep, so we have seen slow performance on postgres16:23
smcginnis#link Add Indexes for PostgreSQL16:23
mlakatit turned out that indexes were missing on foreign keys.16:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1671135 in Cinder "Model schema column type mismatches" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Mate Lakat (mate-lakat)16:23
mlakatSo I added a change for that, and I think we had a nice discussion on the change.16:24
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mlakatconclusion is: I'll add a test that runs on every migration test to make sure all foreign keys have indexes on each db backend.16:24
mlakatAny comments on that?16:24
smcginnismlakat: So it will just check for indexes at the end of a migration and make sure they are in palce?16:25
mlakatsmcginnis, it'll be a test.16:25
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jungleboyjmlakat: Did you find where you would put that?16:25
mlakatSo if you submit a migration that adds a foreign key, but you do not take care of indexes, it'll break the gate?16:25
hemnaany thoughts on the idea of just automatically ensuring FK indexes at the end of cinder-manage db sync ?16:25
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jungleboyjhemna:  I was looking at db sync and I don't see that it does anything else like that.16:26
jungleboyjhemna:  Doesn't mean we can't do it.  :-)16:26
eharneyis ensuring that all foreign keys have indexes actually a correct goal?16:26
mlakathemna, I still think that somehow violates the principles of versioned database migrations.16:27
jungleboyjeharney:  Why would we not want that?16:27
hemnamlakat, maybe.16:27
eharneyjungleboyj: will have to brush up on my db knowledge again and get back to you16:27
mlakatmysql does that automagically16:27
hemnabut I think adding a test to ensure that the indexes are there after migrations are tested is probably just as good16:27
mlakateharney, keep me posted on your findings.16:27
jungleboyjeharney: :-)  As far as I know it is just a performance improvement.16:27
hemnaeharney, too many indexed columns are a problem16:28
hemnabut not having any index on a FK is also a problem for performance16:28
mlakatyeah, indexes have cost16:28
smcginnisI do think pg should be the same as mysql.16:28
geguileosmcginnis: +116:28
mlakatok, then all fk must have an index.16:28
hemnamlakat, +116:28
mlakatOk, let me add a test first, and see where we get with that.16:29
mlakatThe other change16:29
smcginnisThere is some discussion going on right now of dropping pg support and mandating mysql, but that should not prevent us from doing anything for now to make sure they are consistent.16:29
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mlakat <- just something that I detected16:29
openstackLaunchpad bug 1671135 in Cinder "Model schema column type mismatches" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Mate Lakat (mate-lakat)16:29
eharneypostgres is essentially untested in the gate now, right?16:29
hemnaisn't the pg license better for shipping it w/ OS ?16:29
smcginniseharney: Some projects do still have tests, but I think most do not.16:30
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mlakatYeah, let's not open that can of worms now.16:30
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smcginnismlakat: Right! ;)16:30
mlakatFact is: I think having those index checks wouldn't hurt.16:30
smcginnisJust making sure folks are aware of that.16:30
mlakatAh yes.16:30
mlakatI'm really interested where that is going.16:30
bswartz-1 for dropping pg support16:30
mlakatYeah, that would be my view as well bswartz16:30
smcginnisI agree.16:31
bswartzit shouldn't be hard to to this for mysql and pg both16:31
bswartzbut not having pg gate tests means you risk breakage when you add the feature16:31
smcginnisThe reasons cited are lack of test coverage and the desire to use mysql specific optimizations, but I don't fully agree with that.16:31
smcginnisBut that's besides the point.16:31
smcginnisI think starting with a test for these indexes would be good.16:32
jungleboyjsmcginnis: +116:32
mlakatSo ladies and gentlemen, some mismatches have been found between and the database schema, please check
smcginnismlakat: Thanks, I'll add to me list of tabs to go through.16:33
mlakatOk, that would be all from me, thanks for all the help on the changes and the comments. Hopefully new patch coming tomorrow16:33
smcginnismlakat: Great, thank you.16:33
jungleboyjmlakat: Thank you for your efforts there!16:33
smcginnis#topic Support regexp based filter16:33
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tommylikehu_thanks smcginnis16:33
smcginnistommylikehu_: Hey, you're up.16:33
tommylikehu_I think this is a good one for cinder, also not sure we had discussed this before.16:33
tommylikehu_so any thoughts on this ?16:34
eharneyis there a reason to do full regexes and not something simpler like globs?16:34
smcginnisDuncan makes a good point there. I wonder if anything could be done to mitigate that.16:35
eharneyglobs :)16:35
jungleboyjeharney: Do globs have less of a security impact ?16:35
jungleboyjAh ... Thank you.16:35
tommylikehu_smcginnis: yes, I havn't noticed that when writing this16:35
tommylikehu_smcginnis: maybe add some restrcits16:36
smcginnistommylikehu_: OK, good.16:36
eharneyi'm not sure you're going to have a way to really restrict regexes when these are being performed at the db layer16:37
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tommylikehu_eharney: not sure, trying to find16:37
eharneythere could also be issues with different db engines behaving differently...16:37
tommylikehu_but in general I think this is good and flexible16:37
mlakateharney, exactly16:37
tommylikehu_eharney:  mentioned in the spec16:38
eharneywell, different db engines giving different behaviors at the API is a problem16:38
mlakateharney, I think it's already happening?16:39
mlakatSee the thread on ML about postgres16:39
mlakatThe same can we closed :-)16:39
jungleboyjmlakat: The can really wants to be opened.16:39
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mlakatI know we'll need to do that.16:40
eharneyi also don't really get the idea of "use regexes, but fall back to LIKE if necessary", because those will take different syntaxes...16:40
tommylikehu_eharney:  that is kind of restrict16:40
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tommylikehu_even eventually we only allow LIKE operation at the db level, it is a good start16:41
mlakatis that a standard?16:42
eharneysome concrete use case examples would be interesting to understand the value of regexes over just adding wildcard support16:42
mlakatstarting with something simple makes sense.16:42
tommylikehu_eharney: does anyone knows why nova introduced regexp as well as wildcard?16:43
tommylikehu_mlakat: +116:43
tommylikehu_we can start from simple case16:43
smcginnisShould be able to look at the git blame to find the patch that added it. Hopefully it would link to a spec with more detail.16:43
eharneyif Nova is using regexes in a similar fashion it would be good to note that in the references in the spec, i don't know what they do16:43
tommylikehu_eharney: yes they do16:44
tommylikehu_and a lot of project support this16:44
tommylikehu_smcginnis: I wil add this in spec16:45
eharneymaybe it's all fine then... just note the precedents in the spec16:45
mlakatif a lot of projects do this, maybe this is something that should be oslo-ed ?16:45
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tommylikehu_mlakat: not sure about that16:46
jungleboyjYeah, not sure that it would be appropriate for oslo-db.16:46
jungleboyjI like the term 'getting oslo-ed'  :-)16:47
smcginnisCaption Oslo. :)16:47
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: Caption Oslo?  That is a new one.  :-p16:47
smcginnisHah! Captain.16:47
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jungleboyjI give up.16:48
smcginnisAll around failure. :)16:48
smcginnistommylikehu_: OK, I think that's how to move forward. If you can get references in there to other implementation, that will help.16:48
tommylikehu_smcginnis: sure16:48
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  +116:48
tommylikehu_please add comments if you have any other concerns16:49
smcginnis#topic Open discussion16:49
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xyang2smcginnis: I have a question16:49
smcginnisxyang2: Sure, what's up?16:49
xyang2we are planning to remove an existing driver and replace with a new one in Pike16:49
xyang2so if we remove the old driver, how do we fix bugs in it in Ocata?16:50
hemnaxyang2, not deprecate?16:50
xyang2already deprecated16:50
xyang2so to backport, we first need to fix in the master16:50
jungleboyjYeah, seems like you would want to deprecate first and then you would have something to backport fixes with.16:50
xyang2if it is removed from master, how to fix it16:50
smcginnisxyang2: Patches can be proposed directly to Ocata for situations like that.16:51
xyang2smcginnis: ok, good16:51
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jungleboyjxyang2: Just please remember to make note as to why it isn't a cherry-pick in the commit message.16:51
smcginnisxyang2: The main point of that policy is to make sure the current code has the fix before the old code. But in this case there is no current code, so it would just go right to the stable branch.16:51
xyang2jungleboyj: ok, thanks16:51
smcginnisjungleboyj: +116:51
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  +116:52
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jungleboyjxyang2:  Which driver?16:52
jungleboyjWhat is the replacement?16:53
xyang2still VMAX:)16:53
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xyang2it will be written using REST API16:53
xyang2instead of SMI-S16:53
jungleboyjxyang2:  Oh ... That is good.16:53
xyang2smcginnis: I'm good now16:55
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smcginnisxyang2: Thanks. Any have anything else?16:55
xyang2smcgninis: all set16:55
smcginnisguyr-infinidat: Do you have links to those patches you were looking for reviews for?16:55
guyr-infinidat1 sec16:55
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smcginnismlakat: ;)16:57
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smcginnisOK, just a couple minutes, but sounds like we're done.16:57
smcginnisThanks everyone.16:57
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jungleboyjGood meeting team.  Thanks!16:58
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bh526r#startmeeting gluon18:00
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bh526r#topic Roll Call18:00
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bh526r#info Bin Hu18:00
georgk#info Georg Kunz18:00
pcarver#info Paul Carver18:00
bh526rHi Georg18:00
bh526rHi Paul18:00
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bh526r#topic Admin Update18:01
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bh526r#info Since we successfully released 1.0.0 in stable/ocata, there have been 3 bug fixes18:02
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jinliHi All18:02
bh526r#info Patch 434726, 437253, and 438709 were approved and merged, and cherry picked to stable/ocata18:02
jinli#info JinLi18:02
bh526rHi Jin18:02
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bh526r#info Based on the bug fixes, master was tagged 1.0.1, and stable/ocata was tagged 1.0.218:03
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bh526r#info Both 1.0.1 and 1.0.2 are identical, but different tags on different commit-id in 2 different branches18:03
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bh526r#info moving forward, master will be focused on new features, and stable/ocata will be focused on bug fixes if any18:04
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bh526r#info we are on the right path, which is recognized by release management18:04
bh526r#info Users will always clone from stable/ocata as the install guide was updated18:05
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bh526r#info And Linux distro needs to use the tag18:05
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bh526rany question?18:06
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bh526r#topic New "Network Type" in Neutron18:08
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1664466 in neutron "[RFE] Neutron API enhancement - add optional attribute to network" [Undecided,New]18:09
bh526r#info This was discussed with Neutron in PTG18:09
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bh526r#info Ian and Sukhdev are working on implementation solution to drive it into Neutron18:10
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bh526rany question?18:10
bh526r#topic Outstanding Patches18:11
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bh526r#info One is Test Case for “gluon/api/”18:11
bh526r#info Jin abandoned it18:12
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bh526r#info Another one is to remove elements from core plugin that are simply pass-through18:13
bh526r#info Ian is still working on resolving the comments18:13
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bh526r#info 3rd one is devstack plugin18:14
bh526r#info This is for Pike, and Ian is continuing to work on it18:14
bh526rany question?18:15
bh526r#topic Planning for Gluon Pike Release18:16
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bh526r#info This was shared last week. Any comments?18:16
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bh526r#info All are encouraged to review the task list for Pike, and we can assign the tasks to individuals.18:18
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bh526r#topic Planning for OpenStack Summit "Forum" in Boston18:19
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bh526rAny suggestions?18:19
bh526r#info More information regarding Forum is here:18:21
bh526r#info There is also a brainstorming activity here:18:22
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bh526r#info Examples of the types of discussions are:18:23
bh526r#info (1) Strategic, whole-of-community discussions: with increased emphasis on issues that are relevant to all areas of the community. An example could be "Rolling Upgrades at Scale".18:24
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bh526r#info (2) Project-specific sessions: This is quite self-explanatory18:24
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ildikovbh526r: you might also be interested in looking into this planning etherpad for Telecom/NFV:
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ildikovbh526r: sorry to interrupt :)18:26
bh526rCool, thank you for letting us know, ildikov18:26
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bh526rAll - please think about it and propose topics to the Telecom/NFV, as well as perhaps a session of our own group there18:28
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bh526r#info All are encouraged to input topics to Telecom/NFV planning as well as a potential Gluon session18:29
bh526rAny other suggestions?18:29
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ildikovbh526r: np, please let me know if I can help with anything18:30
bh526rSure, thank you ildikov.18:30
bh526rOne potential issue is the logistics, i.e. room / space availability18:31
bh526rDo you have any insight on how the room/space will be assigned?18:31
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ildikovbh526r: I think we're getting closer to have a view on that, but I need to ask to get details18:32
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ildikovI will get back to you on this one18:32
bh526rgreat, perhaps you can share the details in the next a few meetings once you have those information18:33
bh526rThank you ildikov for your help18:33
bh526r#topic AOB18:33
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bh526r#info I am thinking of a PoC in OpenStack Summit in Boston and OPNFV Summit in Beijing too18:34
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bh526r#info The potential scenario may include SFC, P2P network, or anything that is fancier18:35
bh526r#info So please review the task list, and comment/add/revise so that we have more sufficient details of implementing in demoable PoC in 2 months18:35
bh526r#Info Bin will communicate with OPNFV in terms of PoC in OPNFV booth in Boston18:36
ildikovbh526r: latest info is on the ML:
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bh526r#info And Bin will submit a proposal for PoC in OPNFV Summit in Beijing18:36
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bh526ranything else?18:37
ildikov#link  - Rooms for the Forum in Boston18:37
bh526rcomments? suggestions?18:37
bh526rThank you Ildiko18:38
bh526rany other thing/topic to discuss?18:39
bh526rIf nothing else, I sugges to adjourn and give back everyone 20 minutes18:39
bh526r#info Meeting adjourned18:40
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bh526rThank you all and bye18:40
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zara_the_lemur__anyone around for the fantabulous storyboard meeting?19:00
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* davidlenwell o/19:00
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zara_the_lemur__#startmeeting storyboard19:00
SotKI am fragile and mobile for a while19:00
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zara_the_lemur__#topic Announcements19:00
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zara_the_lemur__#topic urgent items19:01
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zara_the_lemur__None of which I am aware19:01
zara_the_lemur__#topic in-progress work19:01
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zara_the_lemur__I believe we have at least one webclient patch awaiting reviews19:01
diablo_rojo_phonI can take a look today.19:02
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diablo_rojo_phonWonderful. Has anyone been able to review the branch handling patch?19:02
zara_the_lemur__#link ?19:03
zara_the_lemur__yeah there should be logs for that from the other evening, though it appears to have timed out19:03
* zara_the_lemur__ will recheck19:03
SotKis that the non-master branche one or my "good enough for monasca" halfway house?19:04
zara_the_lemur__ohhhh, or the revision of19:04
zara_the_lemur__I haven't looked at that one yet19:05
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zara_the_lemur__btw the story is up here:19:05
zara_the_lemur__so if yours is good enough for monasca, those tasks should be edited19:05
diablo_rojo_phonThe non master branch one.19:05
diablo_rojo_phonHopefully we can get SotKs reverified and merged soon.19:06
* SotK hasn't had time, but will make time today to review that19:06
diablo_rojo_phonAfter that's in what else do we have left before Monasca can move?19:07
SotKI think just agree a date for the move19:08
SotKtesting against the production data went fine so I am confident it will be fairly smooth19:08
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diablo_rojo_phonCool. I can reach out to them and see if we can pick a date. Maybe for next week?19:09
* diablo_rojo_phon is excited19:09
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zara_the_lemur__maybe worth setting the time after the patch is reviewed so we know how much work is left on that19:10
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zara_the_lemur__(and sorry I haven't had time to get to it yet :()19:11
SotKwfm, though I will be around early next week19:11
zara_the_lemur__good to know :P19:11
diablo_rojo_phonWill or won't?19:11
SotKaround less at early times next week19:12
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diablo_rojo_phonAh got it. So a time end of next week? Thursday or Friday would be better then?19:13
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diablo_rojo_phonI can float the idea even if we don't confirm a day yet.19:14
SotKany day works, just later times19:14
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zara_the_lemur__tues or wed gets my vote19:14
zara_the_lemur__since I have meetings then anyway19:14
diablo_rojo_phonAh got it.19:15
diablo_rojo_phonI can see if they are interested in doing it during our next meeting if that would work?19:15
* SotK will likely be not around during the meeting next week :(19:16
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zara_the_lemur__SotK: what time is sufficiently late for you?19:17
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SotKI'm hoping 2100 but maybe even later19:18
SotKwe can wait for a different week if that is too late19:18
diablo_rojo_phonOkay that works.19:18
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zara_the_lemur__SotK: (I'm not too fussed, just want to know in advance if it is that late.)19:19
diablo_rojo_phonI'll see what day works for them at least that late.19:19
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zara_the_lemur__should probably switch to discussion19:20
zara_the_lemur__well should've done that before19:20
zara_the_lemur__#topic Open Discussion19:20
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diablo_rojo_phonOh well :)19:21
diablo_rojo_phonYou're still a better meeting host than I would be.19:21
zara_the_lemur__idk, I just change to 'discussion' at some random point in the discussion each week19:22
zara_the_lemur__well, the meeting's pretty small so I don't see a reason to be rigid about it19:22
zara_the_lemur__is my excuse19:22
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diablo_rojo_phonOkay so should we take the leftover time to go figure out why SotKs Patch failed to merge?19:24
diablo_rojo_phonAnd review the other patches.19:24
zara_the_lemur__I think it's just timeouts19:24
* zara_the_lemur__ is wondering what would be most helpful from me or SotK on your branches patch19:24
SotKprobably, the migration scripts are entirely untested afaik19:25
* davidlenwell ran those scripts on my test deployment .. there are a large number of network timeouts and slow responses .. but there might not be much that can be done about it.19:25
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zara_the_lemur__yeah, it's probably just one where we need to recheck until we're lucky19:26
SotKthe db migrations or the lp migrations?19:26
zara_the_lemur__I am a bad example19:26
SotKthere was some talk around flattening our db migrations at one point19:27
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diablo_rojo_phonWhat all would that entail? A lot of effort or minimal?19:28
SotKtheoretically not much work I think19:29
SotKbut I havent thought in much detail19:29
zara_the_lemur__currently you can't generate a working storyboard db from the code without editing the db-generation script by hand19:30
zara_the_lemur__though it didn't take a lot of hand-editing19:31
diablo_rojo_phonMy knowledge of DB stuff is limited otherwise I'd jump on this.19:31
zara_the_lemur__I think the 'story types' table needed to be populated with at least one row19:31
zara_the_lemur__because some code expects there to be a thing to match against type id 1 or something19:31
zara_the_lemur__(so also that code could be changed)19:32
zara_the_lemur__I think it will all be noted in my postgresql wip from a few weeks ago19:32
zara_the_lemur__one of them; I seem to have sent two different changes for that somehow...19:32
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zara_the_lemur__aw, no, it isn't19:33
zara_the_lemur__there are irc logs, then19:34
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* SotK wonders if we need story_types19:35
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zara_the_lemur__I'm not convinced we do.19:36
SotKcertainly our current implementation of story permissions doesn't need it19:36
SotKbut there is interesting problems wrt auto-adding the vmt to security issues that it may help solve19:37
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persiaWhat is the expected total enumeration of types?19:37
persiaJust security/normal?19:38
SotKperhaps, I haven't given this much thought either19:38
SotKthose are the only two which spring to mind, which doesn't really need a separate table19:39
persiaI usually argue against types because people want to look at feature/bug, but I would argue in favour of certain enumeration.19:39
zara_the_lemur__the current list that storyboard has is 'bug', 'feature', 'private_vulnerability', 'public_vulnerability'19:39
zara_the_lemur__which I don't think gives us much19:40
zara_the_lemur__especially given that a story can be of only one type and those types don't exclude each other19:40
SotKespecially as we don't use it19:40
SotKwe certainly don't need bug/feature19:41
SotKand the private/public vulnerability thing is aiming for the launchpad model directly I think19:41
persia#agreed bug/feature is user opinion not core story data19:41
davidlenwellit surprises me how many people get hung up on not having the distinction between bug/feature19:42
zara_the_lemur__and you can convey 'vulnerability' with tags or similar, and  public/private elsewhere19:42
zara_the_lemur__my guess is that it can govern who foots the bill?19:42
davidlenwellat ptg someone literally said to me "I'd like storyboard but not being to easily filter between bugs / features is a problem"19:43
persiaYes, who pays.  Less meaningful in collaborative spaces.19:43
SotKI agree, though I feel like it could be argued that "security-related" deserves to be a "story type" or similar19:43
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zara_the_lemur__I can see the 'if it's a feature request, it's extending the scope of a project from agreed terms, vs if it's a bug, someone didn't meet the terms agreed19:44
SotKit certainly would give us an easier way of programmatically identifying vulnerability stories without hardcoding a tag name19:44
persiaSotK: I think a hardcore type flag is better than a hardcore tag for that.19:44
zara_the_lemur__best autocorrect19:44
SotKI agree wholeheartedly19:45
zara_the_lemur__I am concerned that'll suffer from feature-creep19:45
zara_the_lemur__but we already have types19:45
zara_the_lemur__so it'd simplify what we already have support for19:45
SotKfsvo support :P19:45
SotKbut yes19:45
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* SotK considers having it in a table now is useful in case other actual story types become clear, but I don't know that that is real value without more thought19:46
persiaJust need to take care to semantically distinguish objective types from subjective types.19:47
zara_the_lemur__I'd rather tags since people will probably get sad if they can't filter on them in all the ways they can on tags, but it's not a strong preference since anything is better than what we have atm.19:47
zara_the_lemur__just be prepared for 'I want a worklist containing only things of this story type' etc19:47
SotKwe can just implement filtering for the type flag19:48
SotKtags is asking for a whole world of complication ime19:48
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zara_the_lemur__what about it seems complicated ooi?19:48
persiaYes.  Tags is bad for deep automation.  Excellent for user automation, but that does not fit VMT needs.19:49
SotKwhat persia said19:49
SotKnamely, we'd have to say 'you need to add a "vulnerability" tag to your story after you make it to file a security bug'19:50
zara_the_lemur__oh, on the submission side, yes19:50
SotKand then the added tag would need to be exactly "vulnerability" because it would be hardcoded as our "security issue" tag in the API19:50
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zara_the_lemur__I was picturing a checkbox that would apply a tag sneakily.19:50
zara_the_lemur__but then you lose the reusability of components19:51
SotKsuch a checkbox may as well just set a flag19:51
SotKand this way someone is probably less likely to remove the tag accidentally19:51
* persia was thinking a checkbox for a binary flag representation.19:51
* SotK too19:51
diablo_rojo_phonSounds pretty unanimous19:51
* SotK thinks we don't want the story_types table19:53
zara_the_lemur__hah, I was gonna say I suspect all stories are type '1' currently, so if we don't want to change them, make that the value for 'non-vulnerability', and get rid of the other rows19:53
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SotKthat settles it, all stories are bugs :D19:54
SotKbut yeah, I can't see any real value in that table over flags for things we think are objectively "types" and tags for opinions19:55
zara_the_lemur__sure, I'm not sure how much of the code will need rewriting without it19:56
zara_the_lemur__hopefully not much19:56
diablo_rojo_phonMaking decisions always feels like progress even if it means doing more work :)19:57
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zara_the_lemur__oh and it's used by can_mutate which we also don't use afaik19:57
zara_the_lemur__so maybe some spring cleaning round there19:57
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zara_the_lemur__oh, we're at the end19:58
zara_the_lemur__well there's a fluffy yak to shave anyway19:59
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zara_the_lemur__thanks, everyone :D19:59
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ekhugen_alt#startmeeting wos_mentoring20:00
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diablo_rojo_phonThank you zara_the_lemur__ :)20:00
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ekhugen_althi, who's here for women of openstack mentoring?20:01
diablo_rojo_phonSticking around from my previous meeting :)20:02
ekhugen_altHi Diablo_rojo_phon, I was starting to think maybe I was all alone in here :-)20:02
diablo_rojo_phonI'm sure more people will tickle in too.20:03
ekhugen_altNicole sent this link to the update presentation
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ekhugen_altI think she's updating it to make it public20:04
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* diablo_rojo_phon looks now20:05
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Nicole_hi all!20:06
ekhugen_altHi Nicole, I just put the link to the slides out20:06
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ekhugen_altdo you want to talk through them?20:06
Nicole_cool -- thanks!20:06
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Nicole_sorry, my system is a bit slow today ...20:06
diablo_rojo_phonSo far so good.20:07
ekhugen_altno worries20:07
Nicole_talking through the slide deck ... can everyone get to it?20:07
ekhugen_altI can20:07
Nicole_on slide 2, i added a first bullet that's new ...20:07
spotzslides make you request access fyi20:07
Nicole_"Continue to grow the base of new, diverse OpenStack contributors"20:08
Nicole_and we'll add the link when we have it.20:08
Nicole_meaning, the link to the session20:08
Nicole_on slide 3, do the key milestones look correct?20:08
diablo_rojo_phonIf we number the tables we can tell mentors to what number they should go next.20:08
diablo_rojo_phonYes :)20:09
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ekhugen_altsounds good20:09
diablo_rojo_phonSorry I was already on 4 lol.20:09
Nicole_ah, no worries!20:09
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Nicole_let me go slide 4 :)20:09
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Nicole_ok, slide 4 ...20:10
Nicole_i've put all open questions in red20:10
Nicole_sounds like we do want to number the tables, right?20:10
diablo_rojo_phonI'd say yes number them20:10
ekhugen_altYes, I think numbering the tables works well20:10
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diablo_rojo_phonEasier to direct people20:10
Nicole_cool -- about numbering the tables!20:11
diablo_rojo_phonAlso agree that greeters should help balance tables20:11
Nicole_next red area is that we need to identify/confirm greeters/organizers20:11
Nicole_am thinking this will happen as we get closer to the event20:11
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diablo_rojo_phonI don't think we should call time on questions cuz some people will talk through them faster than others. If we just have the set of questions for them to go through that should be sufficient. Thoughts?20:12
diablo_rojo_phonNicole agreed :)20:12
Nicole_sounds good!20:13
ekhugen_alton greeters/organizers, I think we had several volunteers already20:13
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ekhugen_altso we'll just have to confirm as we get closer20:14
Nicole_i thought we did too, just need to capture the names20:14
ekhugen_altand I agree with kendall on not calling time on questions20:14
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ekhugen_altso far, from the one WOS meeting we have Beth, Aimee and Anindita20:15
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Nicole_cool! i'll include them in the slide.20:15
diablo_rojo_phonI can be there for a little while but I think I'll get pulled into the first days keynotes early again20:16
Nicole_and emily, i think you & i said that we'd be the co-hosts, similar to what you & carol did the last time around, right?20:16
ekhugen_altif that works for you Nicole, that would work for me :-)20:16
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ekhugen_altand I think Nisha who sent the email out on the WOS listserv was interested in helping too.  I'm not sure whether she was interested as a mentor or helper.20:17
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Nicole_yes, emily, works for me in terms of co-hosting!20:18
ekhugen_altthanks Nicole20:18
Nicole_great work on the call-for-mentors email copy, emily!20:19
Nicole_in terms of identifying the mentors, the last time around, we used jeweled lanyards. was thinking we could choose something uniquely bostonian this time around. thoughts?20:19
ekhugen_altty for the updates Nicole.  Megan sent a few updates too20:19
ekhugen_altI like the baseball hats idea20:20
Nicole_oh, cool!20:20
Nicole_if you can let us know when the call for mentors goes out, i'll also tweet it. :)20:20
ekhugen_altI will copy you on it, probably will go out right after this meeting :-)20:21
diablo_rojo_phonBaseball hats is fun :)20:21
Nicole_yay, thanks!20:21
diablo_rojo_phon*are fun. That was terrible grammar.20:22
Nicole_i'll do some legwork on the baseball caps this next week & let you know what i find.20:22
ekhugen_altawesome, Nicole you always have such creative ideas!20:23
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Nicole_you're so kind, emily -- thank you!20:24
Nicole_i just looked through the rest of the plan deck, and i think we're in good shape.20:25
ekhugen_altfor slide 8, what's the last day you can take updates to the baseball cards?20:26
diablo_rojo_phonAgreed. I think it looks good20:26
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Nicole_re the baseball cards, it would be great to have 2 weeks to print them. i can hand-carry them to boston with me.20:26
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ekhugen_altSo April 24?20:27
Nicole_yep, that sounds great!20:27
Nicole_i'll make that more specific on slide 3 -- key milestones.20:28
ekhugen_altokay, and hopefully around then we'll send out the mentee survey questions, too, so they have a chance to look at them?20:29
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Nicole_yes, i was hoping that we'd have the mentee responses by the time of the mentor prep session so that we can share them then with the mentors.20:29
ekhugen_altah okay, yes, I think that's a good goal20:30
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Nicole_re the baseball caps, from a creative/design perspective, should we try to include some of the new openstack project mascots on them (there may be too many, but i can investigate), or should we keep the design simpler?20:31
ekhugen_altwould that be confusing because people might think that people are experts in the areas represented on the hats?20:32
Nicole_ah, maybe -- great point!20:32
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diablo_rojo_phonCould put the mascots on the baseball cards20:33
ekhugen_altmaybe an openstack logo and something representative of boston?20:33
diablo_rojo_phonLike I'm on these teams.20:33
Nicole_we could make sure that the design of the caps matches the design of the baseball cards in some way. i like idea of the openstack logo, and something bostonian.20:34
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Nicole_i'll ask our design team to come up with a few options.20:35
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diablo_rojo_phonCan't wait to see what they come up with!20:35
ekhugen_altI like the idea of mascots on the baseball cards, probably just for the technical mentors20:35
ekhugen_altif that's not too much work for Nicole20:36
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Nicole_sounds fun! we'll see what we can do. :)20:36
ekhugen_altthank you Nicole!20:37
diablo_rojo_phonThanks Nicole_for doing all this work :)20:37
Nicole_absolutely -- fun stuff!20:37
ekhugen_altanything else on Speed mentoring?20:37
Nicole_not from my end.20:37
ekhugen_altI did hear from Megan today that she won't be able to make the Boston summit :'-(20:37
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Nicole_i know ... i'm bummed!20:38
ekhugen_altwe will miss her, but hopefully she'll be back for Sydney!20:39
Nicole_yes, that'd be great. :)20:39
ekhugen_altokay, would anyone mind if we ended a bit early?  I've got a ton of regular (not fun WOS stuff) work to get back to20:40
Nicole_yep, sounds good!20:40
diablo_rojo_phonI'm fine with that20:40
ekhugen_altthanks so much everyone!  and Happy International Women's Day!20:40
diablo_rojo_phonHappy international women's day!20:40
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Nicole_thank you! happy international womens day!20:41
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notmynameswift team meeting time21:00
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notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:00
notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
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kota_good morning21:00
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notmynamewelcome everyone21:01
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* notmyname is wondering if acoles or clayg are around21:02
acolesjust got here21:02
notmynameall right, let's get started21:02
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notmynameagenda is at21:03
* joeljwright thinks clayg might **just might** be late ;)21:03
notmynamejoeljwright: shocking!21:03
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notmynamejust a couple of things to go over, but i want to leave time for open discussion21:03
mattoliverauwell he was still online when I finished yesterday, so assume he has to sleep sometime ;P21:03
joeljwrightfair point21:03
notmynamemattoliverau: I haven't seen evidence of that yet21:03
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mattoliveraulol, true me either21:03
notmynameok, first up is an FYI21:04
notmyname#topic outreachy internships21:04
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notmynameas you've probably seen over the years, openstack participates in teh outreachy internship program21:04
notmyname is a place where internship ideas are collected21:04
notmynameit's where prospective interns go look to see if there's something that sounds interesting to them21:05
notmynameif you've got ideas, please let's put them there21:05
notmynameand,better yet, if you're interested in mentoring, do it!21:05
notmynameboth timburke and myself have done it before21:05
notmynameI'd definitely recommend it as somethign that helps the mentor grow/learn as much as the intern21:06
notmynameso please look that over and consider if you'd be interested in being a mentor21:06
notmynameand if you have ideas on projects, please write them down too21:06
timburkeagreed. i feel like i should have set more time aside to keep up on reviews though21:06
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notmynameif you have an idea, don't feel like you *must* be the mentor. or that you have to do it on your own21:07
notmynameyou've got the rest of the community to help21:07
mattoliverautimburke: are you crazy man, even when mentoring your a reviewing machine ;)21:07
tdasilvamattoliverau: those are not allowed anymore21:08
timburkei meant keeping up on karenc's patches...21:08
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jrichlitdasilva: ha!21:08
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notmynamethat's the FYI on internships/mentors. if there's no questions, we'll move on....21:08
timburkeyou'll have to pry the keyboard out of clayg's cold, mechanical hands21:08
mattoliverautdasilva: lol21:09
notmyname#topic updated foundation logo21:09
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notmynamebreaking news here!21:09
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notmynameabout 30 seconds ago I got the final logo in my inbox21:09
notmynameperfect timing21:09
mattoliverauwhat.. is it correct?21:09
notmynamethere you go21:10
joeljwrightno, it's a bat now?!21:10
notmynameit's actually a swift now!21:10
joeljwrightoh wow! looks good!21:10
notmynamenot a swallow. not a martin21:10
notmynamea swift!21:10
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notmynameyeah it does. it's very different than the hand-drawn one we've had (and we can still like that old one and use it). but I like this new one too21:11
sgundurits good!21:11
notmynameok, next topic21:11
notmynamea bigger one21:11
notmyname#topic upcoming boston summit/forum21:12
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jungleboyjIt looks good!21:12
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notmynamelast week I promised to look in to the boston summit and report back to help answer questions about what it's going to be like, who needs to go, etc21:12
notmynamethere's good news and bad news on this front21:12
notmynamebut first let me dump some links in here so you can do further reading later21:12
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notmyname /fin21:13
mattoliveraujust a few links then :P21:13
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notmynameok, i'll try to summarize21:13
notmynamethe first 2 are more about what the summit will look like. the last 3 are related to planning it21:14
notmynamehere's what it will look like, as best I can make out21:14
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notmynamefirst, this is the event where there will be the formal talks/presentations, the expo hall, the marketing stuff, the big loud colorful parts21:14
notmynamethat much will be very familiar to anyone who's been to an openstack summit before21:15
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notmynamebut here's the change21:15
notmynamethere's a new thing called "the forum"21:15
notmynamethis is the second part of the big summit/ptg split master plan21:15
notmynamethe ptg was what were called the design sessions at the summits previously21:16
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notmynamethe forum is going to be, basicaly from what I can tell, the fishbowl sessions21:16
notmynamethese are time-limited 40 minute slots, scheduled, that are to discuss a particular topic21:17
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notmynamewith a projector, and etherpad, and a room full of chairs arranged in circles21:17
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notmynameso all that sounds "normal", or close enough to what we've done in the past21:17
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notmynamethe trick it, or where the difference comes in, is how these are scheduled and how they will be allocated21:18
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notmynamepreviously, each project got a few fishbowl slots and a bunch of design session slots21:18
mattoliverauSo they've taken the old design summits, split the meeting rooms and fish bowls and seperated them by about 3 months?21:18
notmynamemattoliverau: yep21:18
mattoliverauwhich I guess makes sense in some cases, ops can give feed back from the "last" OpenStack release mid way through etc21:19
notmynameso this time, the whole set of fishbowl sessions will be scheduled across all projects instead of allocating a few per project21:19
notmynamemattoliverau: that's the other part21:19
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notmynamein previous summits, there's been an "ops track", normally on the first day21:19
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notmynamethat's rolled into the forum too21:19
notmynameso instead of "swift ops feedback" in a swift track in a fishbowl room, there might be an "openstack ops feedback" for everyone21:20
notmyname(note the "might". it's hard to predict)21:20
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notmynamethe way these will be scheduled is interesting, and if we want the forum to be productive for swift, we need to get involved now21:20
notmynameusing the etherpad linked above..21:21
notmynamewe need to collect fishbowl session topics21:21
notmynamethey need to have a clear scope and goal and, ideally, a designated moderator21:21
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notmynameso it might be something based on upgrades or hardware or replication cycle times or whatever we choose21:22
notmynamethen, the tc and the user committee will look at the topics that every project has chosen and select and schedule the forum sessions21:22
notmynamefrom the email, it seems that the scheduling will likely start in the next few weeks21:22
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notmynameor the goal is to do scheduling about a month out from the forum21:23
notmynameand the forum is about 9 weeks from now or so21:23
mattoliverauright, yeah so we need to get in on the action there then.21:23
notmynameso we need to be participating now21:23
notmynamemattoliverau: exactly21:23
jungleboyjnotmyname: Did you also see the note about the onboarding meeting?21:23
notmynameall this also brings up some more challenging questions. specifically, who should go21:24
mattoliverauI remember them saying at some point that there might also be rooms available for projects to have a 'mid-cycle'. Would this be in addition (not formally organised of course) to these fish bowls?21:24
notmynamejungleboyj: ah yes. a time for new contributors to get familiar with your project, btu I don't know full details of what that looks like21:24
mattoliverauNOTE: remembering them saying.. was like 6 moths ago or something21:24
notmynamemattoliverau: I haven't seen anything about that21:25
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notmynamewell, actually...21:25
jungleboyjnotmyname:  Right, I am trying to find out more about that.  It is supposed to be a logical extension of upstream university which I am also helping with.21:25
notmynameit looks like there may be either some unscheduled space for ad-hoc stuff21:25
notmynameor a room that's scheduled like the projector room at the PTG was21:25
mattoliveraujungleboyj: nice21:25
jungleboyjmattoliverau: I saw a note saying that they would also have tables set up for ad-hoc mid-cycle type stuff.21:26
notmynamefor those of you not familiar with how the ptg went, there was a room that could be reserved for a time slot21:26
notmynamejungleboyj: mattoliverau: right21:26
notmynameso who should go...21:27
mattoliveraucool, so other then particaping in fish bowls that we important to us (as a project and cross openstack) we can also do some mid-cycling then.. albeit unstructured, but thats the way we roll ;)21:27
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notmynameI do know this: for any swift contributor who is there, we will definitely find a way to get together and talk about swift. that's just what we do when we're in the same city21:27
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notmynamemattoliverau: yes, but probably in a limited sense. I'm not sure how much room we'll have. will it be like the lunch room with lots of space? something smaller? hard to know21:28
notmynameI cannot promise that we'll have time to talk about stuff like we've done at previous summits21:28
mattoliveraubut worst case there is always the hallway track I assume21:29
notmynameI do think the ops feedback will be great, but in my experience, when you've got 40 minutes to talk about some ops concern like "rolling upgrades" or "managing dependencies", swift hasn't gotten a lot of attention (it's just not the major pain point)21:29
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notmynameor said another way, I think it will look more similar to the first two days of the PTG than the last 321:30
jungleboyjOn the bright side, the PTG was much better than expected.  Hoping the Summit/Forum goes the same way.21:30
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notmynamejungleboyj: :-)21:30
joeljwrightendless optimism :)21:30
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mattoliveraujungleboyj: +121:31
jungleboyjjoeljwright:  I have gotten good at it.21:31
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notmynameI'm not trying to be gloomy about it. I think that there's some great potential for the forum. it's just very uncertain because it's new21:31
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jungleboyjnotmyname:  ++21:31
joeljwrightnotmyname: my positivity is just expressed differently :)21:32
notmynamebut *everything* I've heard about it has been much more "solve all-of-openstack problems" instead of "focus on your openstack project's problems"21:32
notmynameso here's what we need to do:21:32
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notmynamefirst, add our topics that we're interested in to the etherpad21:32
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notmynamesecond, it would be good to figure out over the next few weeks who will be going and who won't (just to help inform what we'll be able to get done at the summit)21:33
notmynameand finally, don't write it off before it actually happens :-)21:33
notmynameso that's my report on the forum. I expect that there will be a lot of questions, if not now, then in the days to come. please feel free to ping me with them21:34
mattoliverausounds great. So we can use the etherpad for the first 2 things then?21:34
notmynamemattoliverau: yes!21:34
mattoliverauie, ideas and a list of people, when they know they're coming can add their names21:35
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notmynamedone. there's a section for that now21:35
notmynameI'd encourage you to read over the info that's out there about the summit/forum. start with the links above21:35
notmynameok, next topic (and we can keep talking about this, too) is....21:36
notmyname#topic open discussion21:36
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notmynamewhat's on your mind that needs to be brought up in this meeting?21:36
claygi hate eventlet ->
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claygnothing is every simple21:37
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notmynameoh! I'll tell you my homework for the next meeting21:38
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claygI say "hate" - I mean I mad at it right now21:39
notmynamenext week, I plan on having some words written down in a linkable place that talks about priorities in swift, current problems, and what to work on, specifically related to the whole golang/hummingbird thing21:39
mattoliveraunotmyname: nice21:39
mattoliverauclayg: :(21:39
claygmattoliverau: I would have swore I'd done multiprocessing queues and eventlet green imports before - i'm not sure exactly what my problem is right now21:41
notmynamenot a lot of clamoring to bring up stuff...21:41
claygmy symptoms are ust it locks up and doesn't do what I expect it to - more so than any mutliprocessing libariaries throwing stack on EAGAIN21:42
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claygbut like *generally* we don't do monkey patching in deamons - we just import green21:42
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notmynameclayg: you want someone else to jump into it with you?21:43
claygidk, I was hoping rledisez would tell me "no need to write a patch that adds multiple workers to the reconstrcutor i already did it -> linky"21:44
rledisezclayg: sorry, i’m just starting multiple processes, concurrency the old way…21:45
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mattoliverauclayg: there you go, take eventlet out of the equation :P21:46
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notmynamenot a lot of talking here, so continue converations in -swift and close the meeting21:47
notmynamethank you everyone for coming. thanks for working on swift!21:47
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