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| JimmyYe2528 | join in | 05:31 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 05:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 8 05:33:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 05:33 |
| gongysh | #topic roll call | 05:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:33 | |
| sridhar_ram | o/ | 05:33 |
| YanXing_an | o/ | 05:33 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, the magic word works in the end. | 05:34 |
| JimmyYe2528 | o/ | 05:34 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: :) | 05:34 |
| gongysh | JimmyYe2528, YanXing_an hi | 05:34 |
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| JimmyYe2528 | hi | 05:34 |
| gongysh | today, core dkushwaha and tbh are not here. | 05:35 |
| gongysh | tung_doan is not either. | 05:35 |
| gongysh | so our meeting will be shorter than expected. | 05:35 |
| gongysh | #topic agenda | 05:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:35 | |
| gongysh | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_March_8th.2C_2017 | 05:36 |
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| diga_ | o/ | 05:36 |
| gongysh | #topic review stats | 05:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review stats (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:37 | |
| gongysh | diga_, hi | 05:37 |
| diga_ | gongysh: Hi | 05:37 |
| gongysh | I have seen the first patch for API | 05:38 |
| gongysh | new API. | 05:38 |
| gongysh | #link http://stackalytics.com/?module=tacker-group | 05:38 |
| gongysh | tacker teams performance is bad | 05:38 |
| gongysh | we are very behind the review and commit data. | 05:39 |
| diga_ | gongysh: yeah | 05:39 |
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| diga_ | gongysh: I haven't added test case yet, but will start pushing those also along with PS now onwards - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442887/ | 05:40 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: yes, we need to improve.. can we indicate specific review priority and owners | 05:40 |
| gongysh | to meet our target in PTG virtual meeting, we need double our review efforts. | 05:40 |
| gongysh | current, the non-core YanXing_an is working hard to help review. | 05:41 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: we shd consider using https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard | 05:41 |
| diga_ | gongysh: I think we can handover module wise responsibilities of reviews to team, so that it will be faster | 05:41 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: it is a Rally / Jira like tool for tracking tasks | 05:41 |
| gongysh | diga_, for example? | 05:42 |
| diga_ | API/CLIENT/VNFTemplate/etc | 05:42 |
| diga_ | NSD/VNFFG/VIM | 05:42 |
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| diga_ | this way everyone can pick respective PS faster | 05:43 |
| gongysh | for example, diga is owning NSD reviewing, gongysh is for API, sridhar_ram is for VIM etc. ? | 05:43 |
| diga_ | yeah | 05:43 |
| gongysh | diga_, it is a good idea. when we have a lot of patches on plate, we can do this. | 05:44 |
| diga_ | This way we know the respective owners also to ping for reviews, it will be faster in this case | 05:44 |
| diga_ | :) yeah | 05:45 |
| gongysh | diga_, first our commiter should pay attention to our own quality of codes to reduce the review efforts. | 05:47 |
| gongysh | diga_, I cannot see review stats of you. :) | 05:47 |
| diga_ | gongysh: yeah | 05:47 |
| gongysh | lets move to next | 05:48 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh: agree with you | 05:48 |
| diga_ | gongysh: I don't have yet but I will target daily one PS review | 05:48 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, about storyboard. I will have a look at it. | 05:48 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: okay | 05:49 |
| gongysh | #action gongysh to learn storyboard to see if we should use it. | 05:49 |
| gongysh | #topic features and BPs | 05:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "features and BPs (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:49 | |
| gongysh | first here I want to talk is still the task scheduling framework | 05:50 |
| gongysh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439300/ | 05:50 |
| gongysh | I have looked at consul, and learned its 'watch' capability is not open to API | 05:51 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: what you mean? | 05:51 |
| gongysh | think about: | 05:52 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: it doesn't have a callback mech when a key / sub-tree is changed ? | 05:52 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, it seems there is no such mech. | 05:53 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: did you go through this ? https://www.consul.io/docs/agent/watches.html | 05:54 |
| gongysh | the 'watch' is just a consul agent command. | 05:54 |
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| gongysh | the agent need to watch a stuff and call a 'command' then. | 05:55 |
| gongysh | That is its callback thing. | 05:55 |
| gongysh | In our system, we need a API way. | 05:56 |
| gongysh | next week I will come up with a poc implementation, and then lets have a scaling test, for example 100 VIMs and its ping task. | 05:57 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: in the case of consul looks you need an "tacker-callback-handler" to turn it into an API | 05:58 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: sounds good... | 05:58 |
| gongysh | ok, let's move to next BP | 05:58 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: also, it will be good to find of any other openstack project relies on a JVM / java component | 05:58 |
| sridhar_ram | s/of/if/ | 05:58 |
| gongysh | dragonflows is one. | 05:59 |
| gongysh | if we are talking SDN controllers, neutron -> odl will be one too. | 05:59 |
| gongysh | I think we will someday to use odl sfc driver of networking-sfc. | 06:00 |
| sridhar_ram | no, neutron + ODL is not a good analogy | 06:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | ODL is an optional component separated by an API boundary | 06:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | But for us zookeeper will become a basic necessity to run tacker even in its simple form | 06:01 |
| gongysh | In fact, I also want to let zookeeper to be pluggable. | 06:01 |
| sridhar_ram | again, i'm not hell bent on avoiding zookeeper .. trying to get as many possible issues upfront before we go to implementation | 06:02 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, can you have a look at consul to avoid my ignorance of its capability? | 06:03 |
| sridhar_ram | this scalable task framework shd be eventually used even for basic VNF creation | 06:03 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: sure, will take a deeper look into consul | 06:03 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, next meeting, we can have talk again. | 06:04 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: sure, .. btw, this is very interesting topic | 06:04 |
| gongysh | #topic NSD with vnffg | 06:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "NSD with vnffg (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 06:04 | |
| gongysh | since tbh and dkushwaha are not here, we will have to skip it. | 06:05 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: heads up, tim rozet is interested in co-authoring the spec and implementation for this effort | 06:05 |
| gongysh | trozet, hi | 06:05 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: given he is the original author of vnffg it make sense to involve him | 06:05 |
| sridhar_ram | it is late night for trozet, he won't be here | 06:06 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, but I have asked tbh and dkushwaha to involve him. and asked him myself. the result is: trozet has no much time on tacker project. | 06:06 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: but he reached out to be available to co-author a portion of it .. | 06:06 |
| gongysh | #bugs | 06:06 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, yes. | 06:07 |
| gongysh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tackerclient | 06:07 |
| gongysh | guys do not forget we have another site to watch (consul watch :) the bugs of tacker client. | 06:08 |
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| YanXing_an | :) | 06:09 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, hi | 06:09 |
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| gongysh | talk about the bugs on your plate? | 06:09 |
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| YanXing_an | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1667652 | 06:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667652 in tacker "Remove VIM credential storage problem on local file system" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Yan Xing'an (yanxingan) | 06:10 |
| YanXing_an | I add a comment in this bug about gnocchi | 06:10 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, I don't want to store the key via gnocchi. | 06:10 |
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| gongysh | my original idea is to learn its way to drive ceph or swift. | 06:11 |
| gongysh | and save the key on ceph or as swift object. | 06:11 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh: seams that i miss the point | 06:12 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, we cannot store fernet key into DB, right | 06:13 |
| gongysh | ？ | 06:13 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: yes, thats the underlying restriction we are working with | 06:13 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: i'm wondering if we shd reach out keystone team again to see if there is a solution (it is > 1 year since we got that recommendation) | 06:14 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, can you reach out to keystone team? | 06:14 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh: i will ping keystone team in ML. | 06:15 |
| gongysh | #action YanXing_an ping keystone team. | 06:16 |
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| JimmyYe2528 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1667236 | 06:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667236 in tacker "get_vim_resource_id() got an unexpected keyword argument 'vim_auth'" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Yan Xing'an (yanxingan) | 06:17 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, one bug is vnffg functional test. | 06:17 |
| YanXing_an | Jimmy Ye will talking about vnffg FT | 06:18 |
| gongysh | I think we have a few bugs and patches on vnffg feature. | 06:18 |
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| gongysh | I want the vnffg functional test to be the gate for us to approve other vnffg small bug fix. | 06:18 |
| gongysh | JimmyYe2528, hi | 06:19 |
| gongysh | JimmyYe2528, are you here? | 06:19 |
| JimmyYe2528 | hi | 06:19 |
| gongysh | will you come up with a patch to do VNFFG FT? | 06:20 |
| JimmyYe2528 | yes | 06:20 |
| JimmyYe2528 | but i need get_vim_resoure_id() fix | 06:20 |
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| JimmyYe2528 | otherwise, FT will run failed | 06:20 |
| gongysh | a new change about networking-sfc: it supports symmetric chain now. | 06:21 |
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| gongysh | JimmyYe2528, yes, but the gate tests failed. | 06:21 |
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| gongysh | I am waiting the gate tests. | 06:21 |
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| JimmyYe2528 | ok, I'll update part1 for vnffg FT | 06:22 |
| gongysh | #topic opendiscussion | 06:22 |
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| gongysh | JimmyYe2528, thanks. | 06:22 |
| JimmyYe2528 | :) | 06:22 |
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| gongysh | JimmyYe2528, and can you spend some time on reviewing. | 06:22 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, hi | 06:23 |
| JimmyYe2528 | ok, i can try it | 06:23 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: fyi, nova possibly using zookeeper to track compute nodes .. https://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide/compute-service-groups.html | 06:23 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: whats up | 06:23 |
| sridhar_ram | ? | 06:23 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, nova zookeeper, great. | 06:23 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, in fact if I have time, I want to let neutron to use zookeeper for agents heart beats. | 06:24 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: i can find only the manual, couldn't find the corresponding code :( | 06:24 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: but if nova indeed uses it .. it will help your case ! | 06:24 |
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| gongysh | do you guys have something to talk? | 06:25 |
| sridhar_ram | nothing else from my side | 06:25 |
| gongysh | diga_? | 06:26 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an, JimmyYe2528 ? | 06:26 |
| diga_ | gongysh: hi | 06:26 |
| gongysh | diga_, anything to share? | 06:26 |
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| diga_ | gongysh: nothing, once I put another patch I will let you know | 06:27 |
| diga_ | gongysh: I will take some ownership of review if you want I haven't had any yet on tacker | 06:27 |
| gongysh | diga_, you are patch generator. | 06:27 |
| diga_ | gongysh: may be API/VIM related | 06:27 |
| gongysh | ok | 06:28 |
| gongysh | lets end the meeting | 06:28 |
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| gongysh | #endmeeting | 06:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 8 06:28:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-03-08-05.33.html | 06:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-03-08-05.33.txt | 06:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-03-08-05.33.log.html | 06:28 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, have a good night. | 06:28 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: thanks, have a nice rest of your day | 06:28 |
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| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 8 14:02:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 14:02 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 14:02 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 14:02 |
| longxiongqiu | hi | 14:02 |
| joehuang | hi, xiongqiu | 14:02 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 14:02 |
| longxiongqiu | #info longxiongqiu | 14:03 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 14:03 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 14:03 |
| fanyishi | #info fanyishi | 14:03 |
| Guest47635 | #info jiawei | 14:03 |
| RongHui11 | #ronghui | 14:03 |
| Guest47635 | sorry my id | 14:03 |
| RongHui11 | #info ronghui | 14:03 |
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| joehuang | #topic Pike-1 feature priority discussion | 14:04 |
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| joehuang | hello, | 14:04 |
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| joehuang | the pike-1 is on Mar.23 according to the plan | 14:05 |
| joehuang | we need to figure out what features can be delivered in pike-1 | 14:05 |
| joehuang | and prioritize the review | 14:06 |
| joehuang | #info pike-1 milestone is Mar.23 | 14:06 |
| dongfeng | the spec for async job is still in review. I think it can be completed in pike-1. | 14:06 |
| joehuang | ok, yes, the async job spec could be landed in pike-1 | 14:07 |
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| RongHui11 | the code for qos has been pass the test today and can submit ASAP. | 14:07 |
| joehuang | #info async job spec landing in pike-1 | 14:08 |
| RongHui11 | and spec for qos can be update after the patch submit | 14:08 |
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| joehuang | I saw the patch submitted, it's great progress | 14:08 |
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| joehuang | but seems that the test cases are missing | 14:09 |
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| hejiawei | I am reading write the spec for metering | 14:09 |
| longxiongqiu | i have test the qos by manual in real enviroment, is successful. | 14:09 |
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| longxiongqiu | i will add the test cases. | 14:09 |
| joehuang | It works, that's great, xiongqiu | 14:09 |
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| joehuang | to xiongqiu, could you split it into smaller patch, this patch is very big | 14:10 |
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| electrocucaracha | o/ | 14:10 |
| joehuang | hi, victor | 14:10 |
| longxiongqiu | ok | 14:10 |
| electrocucaracha | Hey joehuang :) | 14:11 |
| zhiyuan | hi, victor | 14:11 |
| joehuang | #action divide qos patch to smaller patch to make review easier | 14:11 |
| joehuang | morning, victor, nice to meet you here | 14:11 |
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| joehuang | we are discussion what's to be landed in pike-1 | 14:12 |
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| * electrocucaracha waves back everybody | 14:12 | |
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| longxiongqiu | :) | 14:12 |
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| joehuang | Hi, Victor, could you read the message we discussed few minutes ago | 14:14 |
| joehuang | should I retype it here | 14:14 |
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| electrocucaracha | joehuang: sure, you can continue with the meeting, I'm gonna turn on my computer | 14:15 |
| joehuang | ok | 14:16 |
| joehuang | hello, other features to be landed in pike-1? | 14:16 |
| zhiyuan | most of the patches for vxlan have been submitted, now i am working on a performance optimization patch | 14:16 |
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| Yipei | for LBaaS, i plan to implement default SEG rule update first | 14:17 |
| joehuang | for QoS, spec has been reviewed several rounds, so the spec is hoped to be landed in pike-1 | 14:17 |
| longxiongqiu | yes | 14:17 |
| joehuang | but for code, it's up to our prioritization discussion | 14:17 |
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| Yipei | since creating lb, listener will trigger operation of seg rules | 14:18 |
| joehuang | vxlan is the essential feature for pike-1 | 14:18 |
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| joehuang | to Yipei, +1, you can start from patch by patch for the LBaaS | 14:19 |
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| Yipei | for spec, how about submitting one for LBaaS in one region with tricircle? | 14:19 |
| joehuang | router az support also has been reviewed several rounds | 14:20 |
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| Yipei | then one for multiple region | 14:20 |
| joehuang | good idea | 14:21 |
| yinxiulin | router az support can be completed in pike-1 if need | 14:21 |
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| joehuang | hello, victor, may we release python-tricircleclient on pike-1(some test may be added step by step) | 14:23 |
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| electrocucaracha | sure, I was thinking to check the process for releasing something stable soon | 14:23 |
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| electrocucaracha | and include it in devstack | 14:23 |
| joehuang | the more we use it, the better | 14:24 |
| joehuang | the client is often released frequently | 14:24 |
| electrocucaracha | agree | 14:24 |
| joehuang | great | 14:24 |
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| joehuang | ok, let's now do the review prioritization for these features to be landed in pike-1 | 14:26 |
| joehuang | we can list and rank them in the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tricircle-pike-design-topics | 14:26 |
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| joehuang | please let the items | 14:28 |
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| zhiyuan | put them in the milestone planning section? | 14:29 |
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| joehuang | hello | 14:56 |
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| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 14:56 |
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| joehuang | few minutes left, any other topics? | 14:57 |
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| rong_HuI | no for me | 14:57 |
| Yipei | no for me | 14:57 |
| yinxiulin | no for me | 14:57 |
| dongfeng | no for me | 14:57 |
| electrocucaracha | no for me | 14:57 |
| longxiongqiu | no for me | 14:57 |
| zhiyuan | no | 14:57 |
| joehuang | ok, thank you attending meeting | 14:58 |
| joehuang | have a nice day | 14:58 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 8 14:58:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-03-08-14.02.html | 14:58 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks joehuang | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-03-08-14.02.txt | 14:58 |
| joehuang | bye | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-03-08-14.02.log.html | 14:58 |
| longxiongqiu | bye. :) | 14:58 |
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| joehuang | thank you, Victor, you have to come to office so early :) | 14:58 |
| joehuang | bye | 14:58 |
| rong_HuI | bye | 14:59 |
| dongfeng | bye | 14:59 |
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| zhiyuan | by | 14:59 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 8 16:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylikehu | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi! o/ | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Morning. | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | mdovgal ildikov wxy viks ketonne abishop sivn | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:00 |
| cuhler | Hi | 16:00 |
| hemna | o/ | 16:00 |
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| viks | \o | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | Hi | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| breitz | hi | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu_ | hi | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:01 | |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:01 |
| wxy | o/ | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | The review etherpad has been updated. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Would be great to get those new driver contributors feedback earlier rather than later. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Still waiting on CI for most of them though I think. Well, a couple. | 16:02 |
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| erlon | hey | 16:02 |
| mlakat | hi | 16:02 |
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| gouthamr | hi | 16:02 |
| Yogi1 | Hello | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #topic Pike Goals | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | There are a couple of community wide goals set for Pike. | 16:03 |
| rarora | hi | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | We're in pretty good shape to meet those goals from the Cinder side, just a few things to get in place. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | #info Goal #1: WSGI via Apache | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/pike/deploy-api-in-wsgi.html WSGI Goal | 16:04 |
| karthikp_ | o/ | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | I think the only thing not in place is that one of the requirements is to have devstack deploy Cinder-api that way. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | I put up a patch to switch devstack to do that here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441266/ | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | But I haven't had a chance to go back and see what I missed. :) | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | So if anyone has interest and knowledge there, I'm sure there's something basic that I overlooked. | 16:05 |
| eharney | does this mean that will be the only supported way to deploy Cinder? | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441266/ Patch to switch devstack to use Apache. | 16:06 |
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| mlakat | it's cinder-api only, right? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | eharney: I don't believe so. I think we can still deploy the way we are today, but this moves it in that direction. | 16:06 |
| guyr-infinidat | we have a number of pending patches for the infinidat driver, we kinda need those merged in before we do implement the generic volumes api | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | mlakat: Correct, this is just the cinder-api interface. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | guyr-infinidat: Great, but that has nothing to do with APache. :) | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #info Goal #2: Python 3 Support | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/pike/python35.html Python 3.5 support | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | This is another one where we are pretty much there, but just missing a couple things. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Mainly, having functional tests run using py35. | 16:07 |
| hemna | any talk about switching over CI to python 3 ? | 16:07 |
| guyr-infinidat | yeah I know sorry for jumping in late :) | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: I don't want to go there yet, but we will need to at some point. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | guyr-infinidat: ;) | 16:08 |
| hemna | or using ubuntu 16.x as the supported ubuntu (which uses python 3 by default) | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Our functional tests are actually failing right now, at least last I looked. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | hemna: It must be 16.04 now. 14.04 support was blocked in devstack by default now. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | That was one of several things causing the complete meltdown of our CIs over the last week or two. | 16:09 |
| hemna | ok, isn't that mean that python 3 is the default? It takes a bit of effort to get python 2.x working there.... | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | So I think e0ne had said he was working on fixing the functional tests. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | He's not here right now, so need to follow up. | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | But I think once we have those working again, probably trivial to switch to using py35 to run them. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | hemna: No, even on 16.04 py27 is the default. But it is nice in that py35 is there by default. | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | So to meet the Pike community goals, we are pretty close. Just a couple minor things to get in place and I think we can state Cinder has met those goals. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: But pep8 runs with py3 by default in 16.04 | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Oh? I hadn't noticed. That's good. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, I pushed up a patch to fix stuff that was broken as a result. It merged a while ago. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | The ultimate goal is to move completely to py3 and eventually discontinue py27 support. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | So, we are good there. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | I think 2020 or something is the planned end of life for Python 2, so we want to get there before then. | 16:12 |
| eharney | the gate pep8 job still runs on py27 | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: Yeah, but if you are using 16.04 locally, it didn't work for Cinder. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | OK, just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of the goals. Feel free to help in any way. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | #topic Reuse API v2 for v1 calls | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440794/ Refactoring patch | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | This one discussed briefly at the PTG. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | Can me make 2020? ;-) | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | But e0ne had some comments on there. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | I wanted to clarify what's going on with that. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | So we have deprecated API v1 for a while now. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | A long while. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | It sounds like we may finally be able to remove it soon. I'm hoping to be able to do that in Queens if we can get the buy in from folks. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | This is mainly people outside of Cinder. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | In the meantime.. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith pointed out that v1 and v2 were basically identical. | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | There are just a few minor changes as far as which fields are returned and some 200 codes vs 202s. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | So rather than having all that duplicated code, we should be able to just reuse most of the logic. | 16:16 |
| eharney | i just wonder if the risk of introducing behavior changes in v1 is worth the benefit of refactoring this if we're going to remove it soon anyway | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | v2 is frozen as well. And now deprecated too. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | eharney: v2 is frozen, so if we introduce a behavior change, we've screwed up. | 16:16 |
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| mlakat | I would say let's not refactor something that will be deleted soon. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | I'd rather get rid of the code as much as possible. And honestly, at this point I don't care if a minor change sneaks through. But if we want to just wait for full removal, we can do that too. | 16:17 |
| * jungleboyj plays devil's advocate | 16:18 | |
| mlakat | sorry, just to put me in context: what would be the exact refactoring action? | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | Wouldn't we want to try the removal with v1 and see what happens rather than cutting off a whole limb taking v1 and v2 at once? | 16:18 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, hail satan | 16:18 |
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| mlakat | make v1 and v2 use the same code? | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | mlakat: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440794/ Refactoring patch | 16:19 |
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| * mlakat whoops | 16:19 | |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Not sure I follow. | 16:19 |
| hemna | mlakat, no, but the external interface is basically the same | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Oh, I am sorry, I am thinking wrong here because we won't take v2 out when we delete v1. | 16:20 |
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| Swanson | Whack em all at once. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Right. So when we remove v1 completely, it will just be a small patch. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | Or we leave it, carry around this extra duplicate code until we can remove it all. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | I just don't want to hold on to things with the expectation that something may or may not happen in the near future. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | Well, I am all for getting the duplicate code out. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | We do that, then it's two years later and we're still talking about it. :) | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | Well, please comment on the patch with anything. At least I've stated the case. :) | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Database Indexes | 16:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Database Indexes (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:23 | |
| smcginnis | mlakat: ALl yours. | 16:23 |
| mlakat | yep, so we have seen slow performance on postgres | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437313/ Add Indexes for PostgreSQL | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1671135 | 16:23 |
| mlakat | it turned out that indexes were missing on foreign keys. | 16:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1671135 in Cinder "Model schema column type mismatches" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Mate Lakat (mate-lakat) | 16:23 |
| mlakat | So I added a change for that, and I think we had a nice discussion on the change. | 16:24 |
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| mlakat | conclusion is: I'll add a test that runs on every migration test to make sure all foreign keys have indexes on each db backend. | 16:24 |
| mlakat | Any comments on that? | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | mlakat: So it will just check for indexes at the end of a migration and make sure they are in palce? | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | *place | 16:25 |
| mlakat | smcginnis, it'll be a test. | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | mlakat: Did you find where you would put that? | 16:25 |
| mlakat | So if you submit a migration that adds a foreign key, but you do not take care of indexes, it'll break the gate? | 16:25 |
| hemna | any thoughts on the idea of just automatically ensuring FK indexes at the end of cinder-manage db sync ? | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: I was looking at db sync and I don't see that it does anything else like that. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Doesn't mean we can't do it. :-) | 16:26 |
| eharney | is ensuring that all foreign keys have indexes actually a correct goal? | 16:26 |
| mlakat | hemna, I still think that somehow violates the principles of versioned database migrations. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Why would we not want that? | 16:27 |
| hemna | mlakat, maybe. | 16:27 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: will have to brush up on my db knowledge again and get back to you | 16:27 |
| mlakat | mysql does that automagically | 16:27 |
| hemna | but I think adding a test to ensure that the indexes are there after migrations are tested is probably just as good | 16:27 |
| mlakat | eharney, keep me posted on your findings. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: :-) As far as I know it is just a performance improvement. | 16:27 |
| hemna | eharney, too many indexed columns are a problem | 16:28 |
| hemna | but not having any index on a FK is also a problem for performance | 16:28 |
| mlakat | yeah, indexes have cost | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | I do think pg should be the same as mysql. | 16:28 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:28 |
| mlakat | ok, then all fk must have an index. | 16:28 |
| hemna | mlakat, +1 | 16:28 |
| mlakat | Ok, let me add a test first, and see where we get with that. | 16:29 |
| mlakat | The other change | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | There is some discussion going on right now of dropping pg support and mandating mysql, but that should not prevent us from doing anything for now to make sure they are consistent. | 16:29 |
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| hemna | whoa | 16:29 |
| mlakat | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1671135 <- just something that I detected | 16:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1671135 in Cinder "Model schema column type mismatches" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Mate Lakat (mate-lakat) | 16:29 |
| mlakat | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443165/ | 16:29 |
| eharney | postgres is essentially untested in the gate now, right? | 16:29 |
| hemna | isn't the pg license better for shipping it w/ OS ? | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Some projects do still have tests, but I think most do not. | 16:30 |
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| mlakat | Yeah, let's not open that can of worms now. | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | mlakat: Right! ;) | 16:30 |
| mlakat | Fact is: I think having those index checks wouldn't hurt. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | Just making sure folks are aware of that. | 16:30 |
| mlakat | Ah yes. | 16:30 |
| mlakat | I'm really interested where that is going. | 16:30 |
| bswartz | -1 for dropping pg support | 16:30 |
| mlakat | Yeah, that would be my view as well bswartz | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | I agree. | 16:31 |
| bswartz | it shouldn't be hard to to this for mysql and pg both | 16:31 |
| bswartz | but not having pg gate tests means you risk breakage when you add the feature | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | The reasons cited are lack of test coverage and the desire to use mysql specific optimizations, but I don't fully agree with that. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | But that's besides the point. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | I think starting with a test for these indexes would be good. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +1 | 16:32 |
| mlakat | So ladies and gentlemen, some mismatches have been found between models.py and the database schema, please check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443165/ | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | mlakat: Thanks, I'll add to me list of tabs to go through. | 16:33 |
| mlakat | Ok, that would be all from me, thanks for all the help on the changes and the comments. Hopefully new patch coming tomorrow | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | mlakat: Great, thank you. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | mlakat: Thank you for your efforts there! | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | #topic Support regexp based filter | 16:33 |
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| tommylikehu_ | thanks smcginnis | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: Hey, you're up. | 16:33 |
| tommylikehu_ | I think this is a good one for cinder, also not sure we had discussed this before. | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442982/ | 16:33 |
| tommylikehu_ | so any thoughts on this ? | 16:34 |
| eharney | is there a reason to do full regexes and not something simpler like globs? | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | Duncan makes a good point there. I wonder if anything could be done to mitigate that. | 16:35 |
| eharney | globs :) | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Do globs have less of a security impact ? | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | Ah ... Thank you. | 16:35 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: yes, I havn't noticed that when writing this | 16:35 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: maybe add some restrcits | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: OK, good. | 16:36 |
| eharney | i'm not sure you're going to have a way to really restrict regexes when these are being performed at the db layer | 16:37 |
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| tommylikehu_ | eharney: not sure, trying to find | 16:37 |
| eharney | there could also be issues with different db engines behaving differently... | 16:37 |
| tommylikehu_ | but in general I think this is good and flexible | 16:37 |
| mlakat | eharney, exactly | 16:37 |
| tommylikehu_ | eharney: mentioned in the spec | 16:38 |
| eharney | well, different db engines giving different behaviors at the API is a problem | 16:38 |
| mlakat | eharney, I think it's already happening? | 16:39 |
| mlakat | See the thread on ML about postgres | 16:39 |
| mlakat | The same can we closed :-) | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | mlakat: The can really wants to be opened. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | ;-) | 16:39 |
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| mlakat | I know we'll need to do that. | 16:40 |
| eharney | i also don't really get the idea of "use regexes, but fall back to LIKE if necessary", because those will take different syntaxes... | 16:40 |
| tommylikehu_ | eharney: that is kind of restrict | 16:40 |
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| tommylikehu_ | even eventually we only allow LIKE operation at the db level, it is a good start | 16:41 |
| mlakat | is that a standard? | 16:42 |
| eharney | some concrete use case examples would be interesting to understand the value of regexes over just adding wildcard support | 16:42 |
| mlakat | starting with something simple makes sense. | 16:42 |
| tommylikehu_ | eharney: does anyone knows why nova introduced regexp as well as wildcard? | 16:43 |
| tommylikehu_ | mlakat: +1 | 16:43 |
| tommylikehu_ | we can start from simple case | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | Should be able to look at the git blame to find the patch that added it. Hopefully it would link to a spec with more detail. | 16:43 |
| eharney | if Nova is using regexes in a similar fashion it would be good to note that in the references in the spec, i don't know what they do | 16:43 |
| tommylikehu_ | eharney: yes they do | 16:44 |
| tommylikehu_ | and a lot of project support this | 16:44 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: I wil add this in spec | 16:45 |
| eharney | maybe it's all fine then... just note the precedents in the spec | 16:45 |
| mlakat | if a lot of projects do this, maybe this is something that should be oslo-ed ? | 16:45 |
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| tommylikehu_ | mlakat: not sure about that | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, not sure that it would be appropriate for oslo-db. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | I like the term 'getting oslo-ed' :-) | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Caption Oslo. :) | 16:47 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Caption Oslo? That is a new one. :-p | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Hah! Captain. | 16:47 |
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| jungleboyj | *captions | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | I give up. | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | All around failure. :) | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: OK, I think that's how to move forward. If you can get references in there to other implementation, that will help. | 16:48 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: sure | 16:48 |
| mlakat | +1 | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +1 | 16:48 |
| tommylikehu_ | please add comments if you have any other concerns | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:49 |
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| xyang2 | smcginnis: I have a question | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: Sure, what's up? | 16:49 |
| xyang2 | we are planning to remove an existing driver and replace with a new one in Pike | 16:49 |
| xyang2 | so if we remove the old driver, how do we fix bugs in it in Ocata? | 16:50 |
| hemna | xyang2, not deprecate? | 16:50 |
| xyang2 | already deprecated | 16:50 |
| xyang2 | so to backport, we first need to fix in the master | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, seems like you would want to deprecate first and then you would have something to backport fixes with. | 16:50 |
| xyang2 | if it is removed from master, how to fix it | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: Patches can be proposed directly to Ocata for situations like that. | 16:51 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: ok, good | 16:51 |
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| jungleboyj | xyang2: Just please remember to make note as to why it isn't a cherry-pick in the commit message. | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: The main point of that policy is to make sure the current code has the fix before the old code. But in this case there is no current code, so it would just go right to the stable branch. | 16:51 |
| xyang2 | jungleboyj: ok, thanks | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +1 | 16:52 |
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| jungleboyj | xyang2: Which driver? | 16:52 |
| xyang2 | VMAX | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | What is the replacement? | 16:53 |
| xyang2 | still VMAX:) | 16:53 |
| * jungleboyj is confused . | 16:53 | |
| xyang2 | it will be written using REST API | 16:53 |
| xyang2 | instead of SMI-S | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | xyang2: Oh ... That is good. | 16:53 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: I'm good now | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | xyang2: Thanks. Any have anything else? | 16:55 |
| xyang2 | smcgninis: all set | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | guyr-infinidat: Do you have links to those patches you were looking for reviews for? | 16:55 |
| guyr-infinidat | yes | 16:55 |
| guyr-infinidat | 1 sec | 16:55 |
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| mlakat | expired | 16:56 |
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| guyr-infinidat | https://review.openstack.org/418451 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422277/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436989/ | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | mlakat: ;) | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | OK, just a couple minutes, but sounds like we're done. | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. | 16:57 |
| mlakat | thanks! | 16:57 |
| tommylikehu_ | thanks | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 8 16:57:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | Good meeting team. Thanks! | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-03-08-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-03-08-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-03-08-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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| guyr-infinidat | Thanks | 16:58 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 8 18:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
| georgk | #info Georg Kunz | 18:00 |
| pcarver | #info Paul Carver | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Hi Georg | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Hi Paul | 18:00 |
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| georgk | hi | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | #info Since we successfully released 1.0.0 in stable/ocata, there have been 3 bug fixes | 18:02 |
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| jinli | Hi All | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #info Patch 434726, 437253, and 438709 were approved and merged, and cherry picked to stable/ocata | 18:02 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Hi Jin | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | #info Based on the bug fixes, master was tagged 1.0.1, and stable/ocata was tagged 1.0.2 | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #info Both 1.0.1 and 1.0.2 are identical, but different tags on different commit-id in 2 different branches | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #info moving forward, master will be focused on new features, and stable/ocata will be focused on bug fixes if any | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | #info we are on the right path, which is recognized by release management | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info Users will always clone from stable/ocata as the install guide was updated | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | #info And Linux distro needs to use the tag | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | any question? | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | #topic New "Network Type" in Neutron | 18:08 |
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| bh526r | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1664466 | 18:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1664466 in neutron "[RFE] Neutron API enhancement - add optional attribute to network" [Undecided,New] | 18:09 |
| bh526r | #info This was discussed with Neutron in PTG | 18:09 |
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| bh526r | #info Ian and Sukhdev are working on implementation solution to drive it into Neutron | 18:10 |
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| bh526r | any question? | 18:10 |
| bh526r | #topic Outstanding Patches | 18:11 |
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| bh526r | #info One is Test Case for “gluon/api/root.py” | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429140/ | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #info Jin abandoned it | 18:12 |
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| bh526r | #info Another one is to remove elements from core plugin that are simply pass-through | 18:13 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430446/ | 18:13 |
| bh526r | #info Ian is still working on resolving the comments | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | #info 3rd one is devstack plugin | 18:14 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404069/ | 18:14 |
| bh526r | #info This is for Pike, and Ian is continuing to work on it | 18:14 |
| bh526r | any question? | 18:15 |
| bh526r | #topic Planning for Gluon Pike Release | 18:16 |
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| bh526r | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gluon/Tasks-Pike | 18:16 |
| bh526r | #info This was shared last week. Any comments? | 18:16 |
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| bh526r | #info All are encouraged to review the task list for Pike, and we can assign the tasks to individuals. | 18:18 |
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| bh526r | #topic Planning for OpenStack Summit "Forum" in Boston | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | Any suggestions? | 18:19 |
| bh526r | #info More information regarding Forum is here: | 18:21 |
| bh526r | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113459.html | 18:21 |
| bh526r | #info There is also a brainstorming activity here: | 18:22 |
| bh526r | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113115.html | 18:22 |
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| bh526r | #info Examples of the types of discussions are: | 18:23 |
| bh526r | #info (1) Strategic, whole-of-community discussions: with increased emphasis on issues that are relevant to all areas of the community. An example could be "Rolling Upgrades at Scale". | 18:24 |
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| bh526r | #info (2) Project-specific sessions: This is quite self-explanatory | 18:24 |
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| ildikov | bh526r: you might also be interested in looking into this planning etherpad for Telecom/NFV: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-Telecom&NFV | 18:25 |
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| ildikov | bh526r: sorry to interrupt :) | 18:26 |
| bh526r | Cool, thank you for letting us know, ildikov | 18:26 |
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| bh526r | All - please think about it and propose topics to the Telecom/NFV, as well as perhaps a session of our own group there | 18:28 |
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| bh526r | #info All are encouraged to input topics to Telecom/NFV planning as well as a potential Gluon session | 18:29 |
| bh526r | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-Telecom&NFV | 18:29 |
| bh526r | Any other suggestions? | 18:29 |
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| ildikov | bh526r: np, please let me know if I can help with anything | 18:30 |
| bh526r | Sure, thank you ildikov. | 18:30 |
| bh526r | One potential issue is the logistics, i.e. room / space availability | 18:31 |
| bh526r | Do you have any insight on how the room/space will be assigned? | 18:31 |
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| ildikov | bh526r: I think we're getting closer to have a view on that, but I need to ask to get details | 18:32 |
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| ildikov | I will get back to you on this one | 18:32 |
| bh526r | great, perhaps you can share the details in the next a few meetings once you have those information | 18:33 |
| bh526r | Thank you ildikov for your help | 18:33 |
| bh526r | #topic AOB | 18:33 |
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| bh526r | #info I am thinking of a PoC in OpenStack Summit in Boston and OPNFV Summit in Beijing too | 18:34 |
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| bh526r | #info The potential scenario may include SFC, P2P network, or anything that is fancier | 18:35 |
| bh526r | #info So please review the task list, and comment/add/revise so that we have more sufficient details of implementing in demoable PoC in 2 months | 18:35 |
| bh526r | #Info Bin will communicate with OPNFV in terms of PoC in OPNFV booth in Boston | 18:36 |
| ildikov | bh526r: latest info is on the ML: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113459.html | 18:36 |
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| bh526r | #info And Bin will submit a proposal for PoC in OPNFV Summit in Beijing | 18:36 |
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| bh526r | anything else? | 18:37 |
| ildikov | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113459.html - Rooms for the Forum in Boston | 18:37 |
| bh526r | comments? suggestions? | 18:37 |
| bh526r | Thank you Ildiko | 18:38 |
| bh526r | any other thing/topic to discuss? | 18:39 |
| bh526r | If nothing else, I sugges to adjourn and give back everyone 20 minutes | 18:39 |
| bh526r | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:40 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 8 18:40:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-03-08-18.00.html | 18:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-03-08-18.00.txt | 18:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-03-08-18.00.log.html | 18:40 |
| bh526r | Thank you all and bye | 18:40 |
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| jinli | bye | 18:45 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | anyone around for the fantabulous storyboard meeting? | 19:00 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello | 19:00 |
| * davidlenwell o/ | 19:00 | |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:00 |
| SotK | I am fragile and mobile for a while | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 8 19:00:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zara_the_lemur__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:00 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Announcements | 19:00 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE HAVE NO ANNOUNCEMENTS | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic urgent items | 19:01 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | None of which I am aware | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic in-progress work | 19:01 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I believe we have at least one webclient patch awaiting reviews | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I can take a look today. | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436702/ | 19:02 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Wonderful. Has anyone been able to review the branch handling patch? | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | for | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/423877/ ? | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah there should be logs for that from the other evening, though it appears to have timed out | 19:03 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ will recheck | 19:03 | |
| SotK | is that the non-master branche one or my "good enough for monasca" halfway house? | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ohhhh, or the revision of | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437469/ | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I haven't looked at that one yet | 19:05 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | btw the story is up here: | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000876 | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so if yours is good enough for monasca, those tasks should be edited | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | The non master branch one. | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hopefully we can get SotKs reverified and merged soon. | 19:06 |
| * SotK hasn't had time, but will make time today to review that | 19:06 | |
| diablo_rojo_phon | After that's in what else do we have left before Monasca can move? | 19:07 |
| SotK | I think just agree a date for the move | 19:08 |
| SotK | testing against the production data went fine so I am confident it will be fairly smooth | 19:08 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | \o/ | 19:09 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Cool. I can reach out to them and see if we can pick a date. Maybe for next week? | 19:09 |
| * diablo_rojo_phon is excited | 19:09 | |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | maybe worth setting the time after the patch is reviewed so we know how much work is left on that | 19:10 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | (and sorry I haven't had time to get to it yet :() | 19:11 |
| SotK | wfm, though I will be around early next week | 19:11 |
| SotK | erm | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | good to know :P | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Will or won't? | 19:11 |
| SotK | around less at early times next week | 19:12 |
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| * SotK cannot type on his slow old phone | 19:12 | |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Ah got it. So a time end of next week? Thursday or Friday would be better then? | 19:13 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | I can float the idea even if we don't confirm a day yet. | 19:14 |
| SotK | any day works, just later times | 19:14 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | tues or wed gets my vote | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | since I have meetings then anyway | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Ah got it. | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I can see if they are interested in doing it during our next meeting if that would work? | 19:15 |
| * SotK will likely be not around during the meeting next week :( | 19:16 | |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | SotK: what time is sufficiently late for you? | 19:17 |
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| SotK | I'm hoping 2100 but maybe even later | 19:18 |
| SotK | we can wait for a different week if that is too late | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Okay that works. | 19:18 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | SotK: (I'm not too fussed, just want to know in advance if it is that late.) | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I'll see what day works for them at least that late. | 19:19 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | should probably switch to discussion | 19:20 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | well should've done that before | 19:20 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Open Discussion | 19:20 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Oh well :) | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | You're still a better meeting host than I would be. | 19:21 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | idk, I just change to 'discussion' at some random point in the discussion each week | 19:22 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | well, the meeting's pretty small so I don't see a reason to be rigid about it | 19:22 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | is my excuse | 19:22 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Okay so should we take the leftover time to go figure out why SotKs Patch failed to merge? | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | And review the other patches. | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I think it's just timeouts | 19:24 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ is wondering what would be most helpful from me or SotK on your branches patch | 19:24 | |
| SotK | probably, the migration scripts are entirely untested afaik | 19:25 |
| * davidlenwell ran those scripts on my test deployment .. there are a large number of network timeouts and slow responses .. but there might not be much that can be done about it. | 19:25 | |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, it's probably just one where we need to recheck until we're lucky | 19:26 |
| SotK | the db migrations or the lp migrations? | 19:26 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I am a bad example | 19:26 |
| SotK | there was some talk around flattening our db migrations at one point | 19:27 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | What all would that entail? A lot of effort or minimal? | 19:28 |
| SotK | theoretically not much work I think | 19:29 |
| SotK | but I havent thought in much detail | 19:29 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | currently you can't generate a working storyboard db from the code without editing the db-generation script by hand | 19:30 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | though it didn't take a lot of hand-editing | 19:31 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | My knowledge of DB stuff is limited otherwise I'd jump on this. | 19:31 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I think the 'story types' table needed to be populated with at least one row | 19:31 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | because some code expects there to be a thing to match against type id 1 or something | 19:31 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (so also that code could be changed) | 19:32 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I think it will all be noted in my postgresql wip from a few weeks ago | 19:32 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | one of them; I seem to have sent two different changes for that somehow... | 19:32 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | aw, no, it isn't | 19:33 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | there are irc logs, then | 19:34 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | somehwere | 19:34 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | *somewhere | 19:34 |
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| * SotK wonders if we need story_types | 19:35 | |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I'm not convinced we do. | 19:36 |
| SotK | certainly our current implementation of story permissions doesn't need it | 19:36 |
| SotK | but there is interesting problems wrt auto-adding the vmt to security issues that it may help solve | 19:37 |
| SotK | s/is/are/ | 19:37 |
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| persia | What is the expected total enumeration of types? | 19:37 |
| persia | Just security/normal? | 19:38 |
| SotK | perhaps, I haven't given this much thought either | 19:38 |
| SotK | those are the only two which spring to mind, which doesn't really need a separate table | 19:39 |
| persia | I usually argue against types because people want to look at feature/bug, but I would argue in favour of certain enumeration. | 19:39 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | the current list that storyboard has is 'bug', 'feature', 'private_vulnerability', 'public_vulnerability' | 19:39 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | which I don't think gives us much | 19:40 |
| persia | No. | 19:40 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | especially given that a story can be of only one type and those types don't exclude each other | 19:40 |
| SotK | especially as we don't use it | 19:40 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :) | 19:41 |
| SotK | we certainly don't need bug/feature | 19:41 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | indeed | 19:41 |
| SotK | and the private/public vulnerability thing is aiming for the launchpad model directly I think | 19:41 |
| persia | #agreed bug/feature is user opinion not core story data | 19:41 |
| davidlenwell | it surprises me how many people get hung up on not having the distinction between bug/feature | 19:42 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | and you can convey 'vulnerability' with tags or similar, and public/private elsewhere | 19:42 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | my guess is that it can govern who foots the bill? | 19:42 |
| davidlenwell | at ptg someone literally said to me "I'd like storyboard but not being to easily filter between bugs / features is a problem" | 19:43 |
| persia | Yes, who pays. Less meaningful in collaborative spaces. | 19:43 |
| SotK | I agree, though I feel like it could be argued that "security-related" deserves to be a "story type" or similar | 19:43 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I can see the 'if it's a feature request, it's extending the scope of a project from agreed terms, vs if it's a bug, someone didn't meet the terms agreed | 19:44 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ' | 19:44 |
| SotK | it certainly would give us an easier way of programmatically identifying vulnerability stories without hardcoding a tag name | 19:44 |
| persia | SotK: I think a hardcore type flag is better than a hardcore tag for that. | 19:44 |
| persia | Hardcoded | 19:44 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | best autocorrect | 19:44 |
| SotK | I agree wholeheartedly | 19:45 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I am concerned that'll suffer from feature-creep | 19:45 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but we already have types | 19:45 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so it'd simplify what we already have support for | 19:45 |
| SotK | fsvo support :P | 19:45 |
| SotK | but yes | 19:45 |
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| * SotK considers having it in a table now is useful in case other actual story types become clear, but I don't know that that is real value without more thought | 19:46 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | heh | 19:46 |
| persia | Just need to take care to semantically distinguish objective types from subjective types. | 19:47 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I'd rather tags since people will probably get sad if they can't filter on them in all the ways they can on tags, but it's not a strong preference since anything is better than what we have atm. | 19:47 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | just be prepared for 'I want a worklist containing only things of this story type' etc | 19:47 |
| SotK | we can just implement filtering for the type flag | 19:48 |
| SotK | tags is asking for a whole world of complication ime | 19:48 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | what about it seems complicated ooi? | 19:48 |
| persia | Yes. Tags is bad for deep automation. Excellent for user automation, but that does not fit VMT needs. | 19:49 |
| SotK | what persia said | 19:49 |
| SotK | namely, we'd have to say 'you need to add a "vulnerability" tag to your story after you make it to file a security bug' | 19:50 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | oh, on the submission side, yes | 19:50 |
| SotK | and then the added tag would need to be exactly "vulnerability" because it would be hardcoded as our "security issue" tag in the API | 19:50 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I was picturing a checkbox that would apply a tag sneakily. | 19:50 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but then you lose the reusability of components | 19:51 |
| SotK | such a checkbox may as well just set a flag | 19:51 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yes | 19:51 |
| SotK | and this way someone is probably less likely to remove the tag accidentally | 19:51 |
| * persia was thinking a checkbox for a binary flag representation. | 19:51 | |
| * SotK too | 19:51 | |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Sounds pretty unanimous | 19:51 |
| * SotK thinks we don't want the story_types table | 19:53 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hah, I was gonna say I suspect all stories are type '1' currently, so if we don't want to change them, make that the value for 'non-vulnerability', and get rid of the other rows | 19:53 |
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| SotK | that settles it, all stories are bugs :D | 19:54 |
| SotK | but yeah, I can't see any real value in that table over flags for things we think are objectively "types" and tags for opinions | 19:55 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | sure, I'm not sure how much of the code will need rewriting without it | 19:56 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hopefully not much | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Making decisions always feels like progress even if it means doing more work :) | 19:57 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | oh and it's used by can_mutate which we also don't use afaik | 19:57 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so maybe some spring cleaning round there | 19:57 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | oh, we're at the end | 19:58 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | well there's a fluffy yak to shave anyway | 19:59 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 8 19:59:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-03-08-19.00.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-03-08-19.00.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-03-08-19.00.log.html | 19:59 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I FINISHED ONE MINUTE EARLY | 19:59 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks, everyone :D | 19:59 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #startmeeting wos_mentoring | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Thank you zara_the_lemur__ :) | 20:00 |
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| ekhugen_alt | hi, who's here for women of openstack mentoring? | 20:01 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello | 20:02 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Sticking around from my previous meeting :) | 20:02 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Diablo_rojo_phon, I was starting to think maybe I was all alone in here :-) | 20:02 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Nope! | 20:02 |
| ekhugen_alt | yay! | 20:02 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I'm sure more people will tickle in too. | 20:03 |
| ekhugen_alt | Nicole sent this link to the update presentation https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1YQ65688-zxx0QGJvbeHICdAhMmDVg3xVPd7ZWLCtVGw/edit#slide=id.p3 | 20:03 |
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| ekhugen_alt | updated* | 20:03 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think she's updating it to make it public | 20:04 |
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| * diablo_rojo_phon looks now | 20:05 | |
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| Nicole_ | hi all! | 20:06 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Nicole, I just put the link to the slides out | 20:06 |
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| ekhugen_alt | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1YQ65688-zxx0QGJvbeHICdAhMmDVg3xVPd7ZWLCtVGw/edit#slide=id.p3 | 20:06 |
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| ekhugen_alt | do you want to talk through them? | 20:06 |
| Nicole_ | cool -- thanks! | 20:06 |
| Nicole_ | sure! | 20:06 |
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| Nicole_ | sorry, my system is a bit slow today ... | 20:06 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | So far so good. | 20:07 |
| ekhugen_alt | no worries | 20:07 |
| Nicole_ | talking through the slide deck ... can everyone get to it? | 20:07 |
| ekhugen_alt | I can | 20:07 |
| Nicole_ | on slide 2, i added a first bullet that's new ... | 20:07 |
| spotz | slides make you request access fyi | 20:07 |
| Nicole_ | "Continue to grow the base of new, diverse OpenStack contributors" | 20:08 |
| Nicole_ | and we'll add the link when we have it. | 20:08 |
| ekhugen_alt | +1 | 20:08 |
| Nicole_ | meaning, the link to the session | 20:08 |
| Nicole_ | on slide 3, do the key milestones look correct? | 20:08 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | If we number the tables we can tell mentors to what number they should go next. | 20:08 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Yes :) | 20:09 |
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| ekhugen_alt | sounds good | 20:09 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Sorry I was already on 4 lol. | 20:09 |
| Nicole_ | ah, no worries! | 20:09 |
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| Nicole_ | let me go slide 4 :) | 20:09 |
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| Nicole_ | ok, slide 4 ... | 20:10 |
| Nicole_ | i've put all open questions in red | 20:10 |
| Nicole_ | sounds like we do want to number the tables, right? | 20:10 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I'd say yes number them | 20:10 |
| ekhugen_alt | Yes, I think numbering the tables works well | 20:10 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Easier to direct people | 20:10 |
| Nicole_ | cool -- about numbering the tables! | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Also agree that greeters should help balance tables | 20:11 |
| Nicole_ | next red area is that we need to identify/confirm greeters/organizers | 20:11 |
| Nicole_ | am thinking this will happen as we get closer to the event | 20:11 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | I don't think we should call time on questions cuz some people will talk through them faster than others. If we just have the set of questions for them to go through that should be sufficient. Thoughts? | 20:12 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Nicole agreed :) | 20:12 |
| Nicole_ | sounds good! | 20:13 |
| ekhugen_alt | on greeters/organizers, I think we had several volunteers already | 20:13 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so we'll just have to confirm as we get closer | 20:14 |
| Nicole_ | i thought we did too, just need to capture the names | 20:14 |
| ekhugen_alt | and I agree with kendall on not calling time on questions | 20:14 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so far, from the one WOS meeting we have Beth, Aimee and Anindita | 20:15 |
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| Nicole_ | cool! i'll include them in the slide. | 20:15 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I can be there for a little while but I think I'll get pulled into the first days keynotes early again | 20:16 |
| Nicole_ | and emily, i think you & i said that we'd be the co-hosts, similar to what you & carol did the last time around, right? | 20:16 |
| ekhugen_alt | if that works for you Nicole, that would work for me :-) | 20:16 |
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| ekhugen_alt | and I think Nisha who sent the email out on the WOS listserv was interested in helping too. I'm not sure whether she was interested as a mentor or helper. | 20:17 |
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| Nicole_ | yes, emily, works for me in terms of co-hosting! | 20:18 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks Nicole | 20:18 |
| Nicole_ | great work on the call-for-mentors email copy, emily! | 20:19 |
| Nicole_ | in terms of identifying the mentors, the last time around, we used jeweled lanyards. was thinking we could choose something uniquely bostonian this time around. thoughts? | 20:19 |
| ekhugen_alt | ty for the updates Nicole. Megan sent a few updates too | 20:19 |
| ekhugen_alt | I like the baseball hats idea | 20:20 |
| Nicole_ | oh, cool! | 20:20 |
| Nicole_ | if you can let us know when the call for mentors goes out, i'll also tweet it. :) | 20:20 |
| ekhugen_alt | I will copy you on it, probably will go out right after this meeting :-) | 20:21 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Baseball hats is fun :) | 20:21 |
| Nicole_ | yay, thanks! | 20:21 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | *are fun. That was terrible grammar. | 20:22 |
| Nicole_ | i'll do some legwork on the baseball caps this next week & let you know what i find. | 20:22 |
| ekhugen_alt | awesome, Nicole you always have such creative ideas! | 20:23 |
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| Nicole_ | you're so kind, emily -- thank you! | 20:24 |
| Nicole_ | i just looked through the rest of the plan deck, and i think we're in good shape. | 20:25 |
| ekhugen_alt | for slide 8, what's the last day you can take updates to the baseball cards? | 20:26 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Agreed. I think it looks good | 20:26 |
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| Nicole_ | re the baseball cards, it would be great to have 2 weeks to print them. i can hand-carry them to boston with me. | 20:26 |
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| ekhugen_alt | So April 24? | 20:27 |
| Nicole_ | yep, that sounds great! | 20:27 |
| Nicole_ | i'll make that more specific on slide 3 -- key milestones. | 20:28 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, and hopefully around then we'll send out the mentee survey questions, too, so they have a chance to look at them? | 20:29 |
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| Nicole_ | yes, i was hoping that we'd have the mentee responses by the time of the mentor prep session so that we can share them then with the mentors. | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | ah okay, yes, I think that's a good goal | 20:30 |
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| Nicole_ | re the baseball caps, from a creative/design perspective, should we try to include some of the new openstack project mascots on them (there may be too many, but i can investigate), or should we keep the design simpler? | 20:31 |
| ekhugen_alt | would that be confusing because people might think that people are experts in the areas represented on the hats? | 20:32 |
| Nicole_ | ah, maybe -- great point! | 20:32 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Could put the mascots on the baseball cards | 20:33 |
| ekhugen_alt | maybe an openstack logo and something representative of boston? | 20:33 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Like I'm on these teams. | 20:33 |
| Nicole_ | we could make sure that the design of the caps matches the design of the baseball cards in some way. i like idea of the openstack logo, and something bostonian. | 20:34 |
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| Nicole_ | i'll ask our design team to come up with a few options. | 20:35 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Can't wait to see what they come up with! | 20:35 |
| ekhugen_alt | I like the idea of mascots on the baseball cards, probably just for the technical mentors | 20:35 |
| ekhugen_alt | if that's not too much work for Nicole | 20:36 |
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| Nicole_ | sounds fun! we'll see what we can do. :) | 20:36 |
| ekhugen_alt | thank you Nicole! | 20:37 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Thanks Nicole_for doing all this work :) | 20:37 |
| Nicole_ | absolutely -- fun stuff! | 20:37 |
| ekhugen_alt | anything else on Speed mentoring? | 20:37 |
| Nicole_ | not from my end. | 20:37 |
| ekhugen_alt | I did hear from Megan today that she won't be able to make the Boston summit :'-( | 20:37 |
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| Nicole_ | i know ... i'm bummed! | 20:38 |
| ekhugen_alt | we will miss her, but hopefully she'll be back for Sydney! | 20:39 |
| Nicole_ | yes, that'd be great. :) | 20:39 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, would anyone mind if we ended a bit early? I've got a ton of regular (not fun WOS stuff) work to get back to | 20:40 |
| Nicole_ | yep, sounds good! | 20:40 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I'm fine with that | 20:40 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks so much everyone! and Happy International Women's Day! | 20:40 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Happy international women's day! | 20:40 |
| ekhugen_alt | #endmeeting | 20:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 8 20:41:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:41 |
| Nicole_ | thank you! happy international womens day! | 20:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-03-08-20.00.html | 20:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-03-08-20.00.txt | 20:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-03-08-20.00.log.html | 20:41 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 8 21:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| mathiasb_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| joeljwright | o/ | 21:00 |
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| sgundur | hi | 21:00 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:00 |
| pdardeau_ | hi | 21:00 |
| rledisez | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | good morning | 21:00 |
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| tdasilva | hello | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome everyone | 21:01 |
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| * notmyname is wondering if acoles or clayg are around | 21:02 | |
| acoles | just got here | 21:02 |
| notmyname | all right, let's get started | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | agenda is at | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
| * joeljwright thinks clayg might **just might** be late ;) | 21:03 | |
| notmyname | joeljwright: shocking! | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | just a couple of things to go over, but i want to leave time for open discussion | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | well he was still online when I finished yesterday, so assume he has to sleep sometime ;P | 21:03 |
| joeljwright | fair point | 21:03 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: I haven't seen evidence of that yet | 21:03 |
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| mattoliverau | lol, true me either | 21:03 |
| notmyname | ok, first up is an FYI | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #topic outreachy internships | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | as you've probably seen over the years, openstack participates in teh outreachy internship program | 21:04 |
| notmyname | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Internship_ideas is a place where internship ideas are collected | 21:04 |
| notmyname | it's where prospective interns go look to see if there's something that sounds interesting to them | 21:05 |
| notmyname | if you've got ideas, please let's put them there | 21:05 |
| notmyname | and,better yet, if you're interested in mentoring, do it! | 21:05 |
| notmyname | both timburke and myself have done it before | 21:05 |
| notmyname | I'd definitely recommend it as somethign that helps the mentor grow/learn as much as the intern | 21:06 |
| notmyname | so please look that over and consider if you'd be interested in being a mentor | 21:06 |
| notmyname | and if you have ideas on projects, please write them down too | 21:06 |
| timburke | agreed. i feel like i should have set more time aside to keep up on reviews though | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | if you have an idea, don't feel like you *must* be the mentor. or that you have to do it on your own | 21:07 |
| notmyname | you've got the rest of the community to help | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | timburke: are you crazy man, even when mentoring your a reviewing machine ;) | 21:07 |
| tdasilva | mattoliverau: those are not allowed anymore | 21:08 |
| timburke | i meant keeping up on karenc's patches... | 21:08 |
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| jrichli | tdasilva: ha! | 21:08 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | that's the FYI on internships/mentors. if there's no questions, we'll move on.... | 21:08 |
| timburke | you'll have to pry the keyboard out of clayg's cold, mechanical hands | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva: lol | 21:09 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:09 |
| notmyname | #topic updated foundation logo | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | breaking news here! | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | about 30 seconds ago I got the final logo in my inbox | 21:09 |
| notmyname | perfect timing | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | what.. is it correct? | 21:09 |
| notmyname | yep | 21:10 |
| notmyname | https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7gcsuslg0qfjqe9/AAApjLrQpissqd5W6JsL3gOta?dl=0 | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:10 |
| notmyname | there you go | 21:10 |
| joeljwright | no, it's a bat now?! | 21:10 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:10 |
| notmyname | it's actually a swift now! | 21:10 |
| joeljwright | oh wow! looks good! | 21:10 |
| notmyname | not a swallow. not a martin | 21:10 |
| notmyname | a swift! | 21:10 |
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| kota_ | nice | 21:10 |
| notmyname | yeah it does. it's very different than the hand-drawn one we've had (and we can still like that old one and use it). but I like this new one too | 21:11 |
| sgundur | its good! | 21:11 |
| notmyname | ok, next topic | 21:11 |
| notmyname | a bigger one | 21:11 |
| notmyname | #topic upcoming boston summit/forum | 21:12 |
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| jungleboyj | It looks good! | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | last week I promised to look in to the boston summit and report back to help answer questions about what it's going to be like, who needs to go, etc | 21:12 |
| notmyname | there's good news and bad news on this front | 21:12 |
| notmyname | but first let me dump some links in here so you can do further reading later | 21:12 |
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| joeljwright | :S | 21:12 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113459.html | 21:13 |
| notmyname | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113115.html | 21:13 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Boston2017 | 21:13 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Swift-brainstorming | 21:13 |
| notmyname | /fin | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | just a few links then :P | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | ok, i'll try to summarize | 21:13 |
| notmyname | the first 2 are more about what the summit will look like. the last 3 are related to planning it | 21:14 |
| notmyname | here's what it will look like, as best I can make out | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | first, this is the event where there will be the formal talks/presentations, the expo hall, the marketing stuff, the big loud colorful parts | 21:14 |
| notmyname | that much will be very familiar to anyone who's been to an openstack summit before | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | but here's the change | 21:15 |
| notmyname | there's a new thing called "the forum" | 21:15 |
| notmyname | this is the second part of the big summit/ptg split master plan | 21:15 |
| notmyname | the ptg was what were called the design sessions at the summits previously | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | the forum is going to be, basicaly from what I can tell, the fishbowl sessions | 21:16 |
| notmyname | these are time-limited 40 minute slots, scheduled, that are to discuss a particular topic | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | with a projector, and etherpad, and a room full of chairs arranged in circles | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | so all that sounds "normal", or close enough to what we've done in the past | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | the trick it, or where the difference comes in, is how these are scheduled and how they will be allocated | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | previously, each project got a few fishbowl slots and a bunch of design session slots | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | So they've taken the old design summits, split the meeting rooms and fish bowls and seperated them by about 3 months? | 21:18 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yep | 21:18 |
| joeljwright | :( | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | which I guess makes sense in some cases, ops can give feed back from the "last" OpenStack release mid way through etc | 21:19 |
| notmyname | so this time, the whole set of fishbowl sessions will be scheduled across all projects instead of allocating a few per project | 21:19 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: that's the other part | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | in previous summits, there's been an "ops track", normally on the first day | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | that's rolled into the forum too | 21:19 |
| notmyname | so instead of "swift ops feedback" in a swift track in a fishbowl room, there might be an "openstack ops feedback" for everyone | 21:20 |
| notmyname | (note the "might". it's hard to predict) | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | the way these will be scheduled is interesting, and if we want the forum to be productive for swift, we need to get involved now | 21:20 |
| notmyname | using the etherpad linked above.. | 21:21 |
| notmyname | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Swift-brainstorming | 21:21 |
| notmyname | we need to collect fishbowl session topics | 21:21 |
| notmyname | they need to have a clear scope and goal and, ideally, a designated moderator | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | so it might be something based on upgrades or hardware or replication cycle times or whatever we choose | 21:22 |
| notmyname | then, the tc and the user committee will look at the topics that every project has chosen and select and schedule the forum sessions | 21:22 |
| notmyname | from the email, it seems that the scheduling will likely start in the next few weeks | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | or the goal is to do scheduling about a month out from the forum | 21:23 |
| notmyname | and the forum is about 9 weeks from now or so | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | right, yeah so we need to get in on the action there then. | 21:23 |
| notmyname | so we need to be participating now | 21:23 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: exactly | 21:23 |
| jungleboyj | notmyname: Did you also see the note about the onboarding meeting? | 21:23 |
| notmyname | all this also brings up some more challenging questions. specifically, who should go | 21:24 |
| mattoliverau | I remember them saying at some point that there might also be rooms available for projects to have a 'mid-cycle'. Would this be in addition (not formally organised of course) to these fish bowls? | 21:24 |
| notmyname | jungleboyj: ah yes. a time for new contributors to get familiar with your project, btu I don't know full details of what that looks like | 21:24 |
| mattoliverau | NOTE: remembering them saying.. was like 6 moths ago or something | 21:24 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: I haven't seen anything about that | 21:25 |
| mattoliverau | kk | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | well, actually... | 21:25 |
| jungleboyj | notmyname: Right, I am trying to find out more about that. It is supposed to be a logical extension of upstream university which I am also helping with. | 21:25 |
| notmyname | it looks like there may be either some unscheduled space for ad-hoc stuff | 21:25 |
| notmyname | or a room that's scheduled like the projector room at the PTG was | 21:25 |
| mattoliverau | jungleboyj: nice | 21:25 |
| jungleboyj | mattoliverau: I saw a note saying that they would also have tables set up for ad-hoc mid-cycle type stuff. | 21:26 |
| notmyname | for those of you not familiar with how the ptg went, there was a room that could be reserved for a time slot | 21:26 |
| notmyname | jungleboyj: mattoliverau: right | 21:26 |
| notmyname | so who should go... | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | cool, so other then particaping in fish bowls that we important to us (as a project and cross openstack) we can also do some mid-cycling then.. albeit unstructured, but thats the way we roll ;) | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | I do know this: for any swift contributor who is there, we will definitely find a way to get together and talk about swift. that's just what we do when we're in the same city | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | :) | 21:28 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: yes, but probably in a limited sense. I'm not sure how much room we'll have. will it be like the lunch room with lots of space? something smaller? hard to know | 21:28 |
| notmyname | I cannot promise that we'll have time to talk about stuff like we've done at previous summits | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | but worst case there is always the hallway track I assume | 21:29 |
| notmyname | I do think the ops feedback will be great, but in my experience, when you've got 40 minutes to talk about some ops concern like "rolling upgrades" or "managing dependencies", swift hasn't gotten a lot of attention (it's just not the major pain point) | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | or said another way, I think it will look more similar to the first two days of the PTG than the last 3 | 21:30 |
| jungleboyj | On the bright side, the PTG was much better than expected. Hoping the Summit/Forum goes the same way. | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | jungleboyj: :-) | 21:30 |
| joeljwright | endless optimism :) | 21:30 |
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| mattoliverau | jungleboyj: +1 | 21:31 |
| jungleboyj | joeljwright: I have gotten good at it. | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | I'm not trying to be gloomy about it. I think that there's some great potential for the forum. it's just very uncertain because it's new | 21:31 |
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| jungleboyj | notmyname: ++ | 21:31 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: my positivity is just expressed differently :) | 21:32 |
| notmyname | but *everything* I've heard about it has been much more "solve all-of-openstack problems" instead of "focus on your openstack project's problems" | 21:32 |
| notmyname | so here's what we need to do: | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | first, add our topics that we're interested in to the etherpad | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | second, it would be good to figure out over the next few weeks who will be going and who won't (just to help inform what we'll be able to get done at the summit) | 21:33 |
| notmyname | and finally, don't write it off before it actually happens :-) | 21:33 |
| notmyname | so that's my report on the forum. I expect that there will be a lot of questions, if not now, then in the days to come. please feel free to ping me with them | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | sounds great. So we can use the etherpad for the first 2 things then? | 21:34 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yes! | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | ie, ideas and a list of people, when they know they're coming can add their names | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | done. there's a section for that now | 21:35 |
| notmyname | I'd encourage you to read over the info that's out there about the summit/forum. start with the links above | 21:35 |
| notmyname | ok, next topic (and we can keep talking about this, too) is.... | 21:36 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | open! | 21:36 |
| notmyname | what's on your mind that needs to be brought up in this meeting? | 21:36 |
| clayg | i hate eventlet -> https://github.com/eventlet/eventlet/issues/210 | 21:37 |
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| clayg | nothing is every simple | 21:37 |
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| joeljwright | :D | 21:38 |
| notmyname | oh! I'll tell you my homework for the next meeting | 21:38 |
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| clayg | I say "hate" - I mean I mad at it right now | 21:39 |
| notmyname | next week, I plan on having some words written down in a linkable place that talks about priorities in swift, current problems, and what to work on, specifically related to the whole golang/hummingbird thing | 21:39 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: nice | 21:39 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: :( | 21:39 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: I would have swore I'd done multiprocessing queues and eventlet green imports before - i'm not sure exactly what my problem is right now | 21:41 |
| notmyname | not a lot of clamoring to bring up stuff... | 21:41 |
| clayg | my symptoms are ust it locks up and doesn't do what I expect it to - more so than any mutliprocessing libariaries throwing stack on EAGAIN | 21:42 |
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| clayg | but like *generally* we don't do monkey patching in deamons - we just import green | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | clayg: you want someone else to jump into it with you? | 21:43 |
| clayg | idk, I was hoping rledisez would tell me "no need to write a patch that adds multiple workers to the reconstrcutor i already did it -> linky" | 21:44 |
| rledisez | clayg: sorry, i’m just starting multiple processes, concurrency the old way… | 21:45 |
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| mattoliverau | clayg: there you go, take eventlet out of the equation :P | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | not a lot of talking here, so continue converations in -swift and close the meeting | 21:47 |
| notmyname | thank you everyone for coming. thanks for working on swift! | 21:47 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 8 21:47:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-03-08-21.00.html | 21:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-03-08-21.00.txt | 21:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-03-08-21.00.log.html | 21:47 |
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