Thursday, 2017-03-09

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ekcstime for congress team meeting. ramineni, masahito thinrichs aimeeu00:00
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thinrichshi all00:01
ekcshi all. hope it’s been a good week so far!00:01
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ekcsHere are the topics on deck for today. I’ll give everyone a couple minutes to look over and add anything else00:02
ekcsok let’s get started then =)00:04
ekcs#topic policy library00:05
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thinrichsI made some progress on the policy library.00:06
thinrichsLet me dig up the link.00:06
thinrichsCan people see that?00:06
thinrichsI just wanted to get something started so took AT&T's policies and put them into the doc.00:07
masahitoI can see00:07
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ekcsthat’s great.00:08
ekcsI added a section on rules similar to AWS.00:08
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thinrichsI think some of those policies we can include in the API.00:09
thinrichsAs they are.00:09
thinrichsIf the policy isn't exactly what the user wants, they can go in and edit the policy.00:09
thinrichsIn the UI, it would be somewhat easy to give people a text-box to go and edit the entire policy at once (instead of one rule at a time).00:10
ekcsmakes sense.00:11
thinrichsIn the API/CLI I'd think we'd want to add a way for people to submit an entire YAML file (that is described at the top of the googledoc) so they can edit an entire policy at once (instead of one rule at a time).00:11
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thinrichsThe API/CLI could be almost (i) show/download a YAML file from the library and (ii) upload a YAML file describing a policy.00:11
ekcsseems like a good workflow.00:13
ekcsaimeeu and bryan_att if you’re around, does that workflow make sense from your perspectiveL00:13
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aimeeuyes for me - bryan is  on vacation so I'll say yes from him as well00:14
ekcshaha ok great.00:14
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ekcsany thoughts on how the libarry would be shipped? as yaml files to be loaded by the user?00:15
aimeeuthat's a possibility00:15
thinrichs Maybe a directory of yaml files that get loaded on startup automatically (configurable, of course)?00:16
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ekcsmakes sense. maybe also an addition to API/CLI/GUI loading from that special directory.00:17
thinrichsWe could also have full CRUD in the API for the library, so that people could load their own policies into it.00:17
ekcss/loading/for loading00:17
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ekcsinteresting. that could be useful for supporting the modular policy use case bryan_att mentioned. without needing to enable/disable policies.00:19
ekcsglad we’re making good progress on this front. policy library might be the most important feature for P release.00:20
aimeeuI think being able to upload a policy in YAML format is important.00:20
thinrichsOnce there is full CRUD for a /library endpoint, then everyone could build up their own library for users.  And we could have a simple script loading a directory of YAML files from a config directory (at least for devstack).00:20
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aimeeuI'm still trying to track down what OpenECOMP (now ONAP) does but I'm pretty sure it involves YAML00:20
ekcsspecifically YAML being imporltant? or some kind of file?00:21
thinrichsLooking at some of those policies in the google doc, I started to think it'll be hard to just enable/disable them.00:21
ekcsI’m thinking about YAML vs the JSON format masahito used.00:21
aimeeupolicy being written to a YAML file that can be consumed by policy engines (but don't quote me on that)00:21
thinrichsThere are too many details that a user would want to change.00:21
thinrichsWhether YAML or JSON is probably not so important.  YAML is definitely better for people.  JSON is probably better for machines.00:22
ekcsthinrichs: yes some of them may be too specific. like the naming of security groups. but they can be adapted so that the special security groups are identified by a new table rather than by name.00:22
ekcsfor example, the dmz related policy may have a table that identifies a list of security groups as “dmz”00:23
thinrichsWhat I'm really thinking though is that for those policies that do remediation, you wouldn't want to just Activate them before making modifications.00:23
ekcsthinrichs: hmm true. I guess I’ve been thinking mostly monitoring. I wonder if it makes sense to enable/disable execution by policy.00:24
thinrichsAnd since the common case is that people will be modifying the policies before activating them, a workflow where we just provide (i) a library of examples and (ii) a simple way to upload entire poolicies make sense.00:24
ekcsso one can import policy and see results, before allowing actions.00:24
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thinrichsLonger term I could see more sophisticated functionality like having a bit on every policy that determines whether or not to obey 'execute[]00:25
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ekcsthinrichs: makes sense.00:26
thinrichsBut short term the library + upload functionality is both easy to build and gets to the heart of the problem00:26
ekcsthinrichs: maybe you could add some of these tentative conclusions to the doc?00:27
ekcsawesome. we should probably move on to other topics =)00:27
ekcsbut let’s definitely keep prioritizing policy lib00:27
ekcs#topic angular.js00:28
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ekcsramineni_: would you like to talk about angular.js?00:28
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ramineni_1ekcs: hi00:28
ekcshi ramineni_100:28
ekcswe could skip it if it’s not important for right now.00:29
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ramineni_1ekcs: actually , i dont know much about angular js, just heard its better than django and everyone moving onto it00:29
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ramineni_1ekcs: just added that topic, if anyone has more idea to it..can discuss00:30
ekcsok I see. anyone have thoughts about angular.js? I don’t know much about it. but I did hear from david lyle it supports some active things.00:31
mordredangular is what people have been using for web uis00:32
mordredwith normal REST services on the backend00:32
masahitoHorizon will stop to support django?00:32
mordredthe pattern exists in a few different openstack projects00:32
mordredI'm not sure if horizon will ever be able to delete django00:33
aimeeumordred do you know which projects use angular.js?00:33
mordredbut it's the only place that's really doing any django things, and since the rest of openstack are REST API services, just putting a pure client-side UI on top of them makes a lot of sense00:33
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mordredaimeeu: I know horizon and storyboard. for a while someone was working on an ironic ui, but I'm not sure where that's at00:33
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aimeeuthanks mordred00:34
ekcsthanks mordred !00:34
mordredI know if I was going to be spinning up a new web ui in any way in openstack, I'd focus on client-side javascript on top of backend REST service00:34
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mordred for some examples ...00:35
ekcshaha ok then. seems like a good long term thing.00:36
ekcsthanks for the references mordred00:36
mordredsure nuff!00:36
ekcsif/when we get around to doing notifications on UI, or investing any major time adding to the current UI, we’d probably want to study it some more.00:37
ekcslet’s move on then if we’re done with this topic for now.00:37
ekcs#topic tempest plugin00:38
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ekcsramineni_1: would you like to fill us in on this topic?00:38
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ramineni_1ekcs: sure00:38
ramineni_1ekcs: its basically regarding the comment here
ramineni_1ekcs: there seems to be couple of tempest changes , which affects the gate , needs to be backported to all branches as tempest is branch less00:40
ramineni_1ekcs: one idea from tempest folks to avoid that is..make congress tempest_plugin seperate repo and make it branchless as tempest00:40
ekcsI see. so roughly speaking, which files would go into the new repo?00:42
ramineni_1ekcs: i am thinking, may be if we could do that, it will avoid stable branch failures as we may run both jobs (stable/master) on that new repo , so any change in tempest, we have idea if breaking stable branch also00:42
ekcsthe whole congress_tempest_tests directory? or only part?00:42
ramineni_1ekcs: yes00:42
ramineni_1i think whole00:43
masahitoCan't we specify release tag or something in gate job for stable branch?00:43
ekcstempest doesn’t maintain stable branches it seems.00:43
ramineni_1masahito: im not sure, if we could do would be good00:44
ekcsmasahito: oh I see. use release tag instead of stable branch.00:44
masahitoekcs: ramineni_1: yes. I can see release tag like
masahitoif we can use it we don't need the new repo.00:45
ramineni_1masahito: yes00:45
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ekcs_My laptop froze. On my phone now.00:47
ramineni_1masahito: we need to check if its possible to add that in infra/tests ..00:47
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masahitoekcs_: it's good to move on to next?00:49
masahitoekcs_: I think typing on a phone is hard00:49
ekcs_Great let's move on then. Sounds like something we can follow up on if someone wants to gather more information and make a recommendation.00:50
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ekcs_So remaining topics:00:51
ekcs_Horizon dashboard project00:51
ekcs_Any discussion we may want to have about pike tasks00:52
ekcs_And open discussion if anyone has something to talk about.00:52
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ekcsok sorry I’m back. 5 minutes left.00:54
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ramineni_1ekcs_: its fyi mainly, congress_dashboard project is created now ..
ekcs#topic open discussion00:54
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ramineni_1will copy the folder onto new project this week..may be00:54
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ekcsopen discusion item: anyone understand this patch?
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aimeeuI don't. I was going to ask for a better commit message but got distracted00:57
thinrichsLooks like they're removin a css class from that button.  Anyone know what that class does?00:58
ramineni_1ekcs: no , not sure what it is fixing actually00:58
ekcsit’s removing the close class from a button. not totally sure what the problem is.00:58
ekcsok then. guess we can ask for more info.00:58
ekcs2 minutes left.00:58
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ekcsok then! great progress this week with policy lib and dashboard project. see you guys next week!01:00
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gmann#startmeeting qa09:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar  9 09:00:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
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gmannhi, who all here today ?09:01
samPhi o/09:01
gmannsamP: hi.09:01
samPThis me samapth from NTT09:01
gmannsamP: nice to see you09:01
samPgmann: hi..09:01
chandankumargmann: toscalix samP zhufl \o/09:02
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gmannhi everyone09:02
gmannandreaf: masayukig jordanP ?09:02
gmannmasayukig is not around today09:02
gmann^^ today agenda09:03
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gmannwe have Pike priority here - #link
gmannand most of them with assignee also.09:04
gmann#topic Previous Meeting Action review09:04
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gmannlet's checkout the action items09:04
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gmann1. andreaf email ML with our plan on scenario tests09:04
gmanni think andreaf did that09:05
gmann2. andreaf setup a scenario only job for tempest09:05
andreafgmann yeah just looking for a link...09:05
andreafgmann: so for 2.09:06
andreafit's WIP09:06
gmann2. andreaf setup a scenario only job for tempest09:06
gmannandreaf: thanks, link ?09:06
andreafgmann: I have a few patches in Tempest, d-g and project-config #link
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andreaf#link Tempest one is merged09:07
gmannandreaf: local.conf things from job directly not stable yet ?09:07
gmanni was thinking we can avoid d-g flags09:08
andreafgmann: and project-config one is my local branch, haven't posted it yet09:08
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gmannandreaf: ok, thanks for working on those.09:08
andreafgmann: yes local conf works for tempest settings and I used that for the project-config bit09:08
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andreafgmann: but which tox env to use is not under local conf control09:09
gmannah yea09:09
gmannll check all series tomorrow09:09
andreafgmann: I don't like new flags either, but the alternative is to not use a dedicated tox env, which I though it was worse09:09
andreafgmann: thanks09:09
gmannand currently we have 11 scenario tests running on normal jobs09:09
gmannandreaf: yea tox env use is pretty nice09:10
gmann3. * andreaf check with luzC about grenade specs09:10
gmannandreaf: again for you :)09:10
andreafgmann: yeah luzC mentioned she was going to withdraw those specs09:11
andreafand start new ones09:11
gmannwithdraw old one ?09:11
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gmannor its all new one what was discussed in PTG like rolling upgrade support etc09:12
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andreafgmann: yeah so they are not grenade specs anymore09:13
andreafgmann: rolling upgrade and so will be done by other means09:13
gmannin different project or way ?09:14
gmannanyways let's get more clarity once we have spec up09:15
gmannnext AI- 4. oomichi to look at API versions for test jobs09:15
gmanni think this will be very nice step if we can get rid of deprecated and unsupported version testing from tempest09:16
andreafyeah there are a few patches up already oomichi has been driving this forward09:16
gmannit will make lot of load down on maintenance as well as on gate09:17
gmannyea, oomichi will finish those fast i know :)09:17
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andreafonly one note on my side - config is a stable interface, and so are default values09:17
gmann5. everyone - review the ethercalc @09:17
andreafchanging default values for a config is a backward incompatible chnage, so we need to give notice for that :)09:18
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gmannandreaf: default values also yes i think09:18
gmannandreaf: i think i gave +1 or +2 on that09:18
gmannbut agree we should not change default value09:18
gmannnot sure deprecation process on default values change09:19
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gmannwe can do just in help ?09:19
andreafgmann: yeah I guess so09:19
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gmannandreaf: ok.09:20
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gmannnext AI:  ethercalc09:21
gmannits all done and scenario tests are sorted out09:21
gmann6. sdague to look into cinder v1 admin tests09:21
gmannandreaf: we can remove even admin tests for v1 right09:21
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andreafheh I have to check I think sdague mentioned that it was actually ok as it is, but not 100% sure09:23
gmannhumm. i want to remove api version selection config options we have09:23
gmannanyways let's check sdague on that09:24
gmann#topic Gate Status09:24
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gmannso after cutting off scenario tests, gate kind of stable seems..09:24
gmannbut i am suspecting some ssh failure still even from API or scenario tests :)09:25
andreafgmann: the failures on the main tempest job are still too high: #link
andreafwe are still hitting libvirt crashes a lot #link
gmannandreaf: oh, i think volume attach tests may be?09:26
andreafgmann: can you look into those?09:26
gmannandreaf: sure, but i can do tomorrow only09:27
andreafI wanted to check if the libvirt crashes happen on API or scenario - I have the feeling it will be on API side, because API tests still generate good load on the system09:27
gmann#action  gmann to check libvirt crashes issues on tempest job09:28
andreafon the other side if it's on scenario we might be able then to isolate the issue, get a reproducer and ask libvirt folks for a fix09:28
gmannandreaf: yea i suspect attach detach tests09:28
andreafanyways, there is still work to be done on the gate, so that stays the highest prio for me09:28
gmanngate stability is main goal09:29
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andreafin case the issue is load related, one way forward could be to split API and scenario in two jobs and reduce concurrency on the API side09:29
gmann openstack developement should go smoothly09:29
andreafanother approach would be to isolate "heavy" API tests and either split them up or make them scenarios09:30
gmannandreaf: we can list heavy API tests and then figure out those to be serial or parallel09:30
andreafso I will keep looking at both options09:30
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andreafgmann: yeah I started looking at subunit-describe-calls to automate that09:30
gmanni think splitting the heavy one either APi or scenario is nice09:31
gmannandreaf: nice. thanks that will help09:31
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chandankumargmann: one query how to determine a test is heavy or light based on time or resources?09:31
zhuflapi tests should be simple enough09:31
gmannlet's keep eyes on gate things09:31
andreafchandankumar: heavy from resources pov09:32
gmannchandankumar: yea time taken and what all kind of operation it does09:32
andreafchandankumar: so how many VMs. volumes, networks are created by a test09:32
chandankumarandreaf: gmann got that, Thanks :-)09:32
zhufland some scenario testcases can be removed from Tempest maybe09:32
gmannandreaf:  ll check some of them and prepare some list09:32
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andreafgmann: ok thank you!09:33
gmannzhufl: not sure about that. but we can go case by case09:33
zhufle.g, to suspend-resume-suspend-resume09:33
gmannhonestly i do not like to remove tests from tempest :)09:33
gmannzhufl: we can figure that out where to run instead of deleting09:34
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andreafzhufl: yeah some may not belong to tempest at all, but I guess that's a separate discussion for now09:34
gmannbut yea if those are covered on project side then yes09:34
gmannlet's move09:34
gmann#topic Pike Goals09:34
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gmann1. Python 3.5
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gmanni think this is completed09:34
andreafheh I was hoping to have some work done on these, but I have not had the time yet09:34
gmannandreaf: on 3.5?09:35
andreafgmann: so the process is that I need to put up specs for each goal09:35
andreafgmann: and add the specs to the governance repo in the overall goal09:35
gmannandreaf: and update patch on goverance09:35
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chandankumargmann: i can check and confirm by runnign tempest on py3.509:35
andreafgmann: and in each spec we need to say what needs to be done for python 3 and wsgi respectively09:35
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andreafgmann: and this is not for tempest only but for every project under the QA umbreall09:36
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gmannandreaf: or just update status on that like  - #link
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gmannandreaf: yea, all projects09:36
gmannblancos: how about patrole ?09:36
andreafso I guess there won't be much real work to be done but I just need to go through the list and make sure everything is covered09:37
gmanndo we have tests running on 3.5 job there09:37
andreafand what is not should go in the high prio list09:37
gmannandreaf: yea09:37
blancosgmann I'd have to doublecheck but I think we have a py35 gate09:37
andreafso I was hoping to have the list for today but I didn't manage yet, so it will be next week09:37
gmann#action andreaf to add sepcs on Pike Goal, py3.5 and wsgi for all QA projects09:38
gmannandreaf: ^^ :)09:38
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gmannblancos: cool, please update andreaf after checking on that.09:38
blancosandreaf gmann I just looked, we do :)09:39
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gmannblancos: THIS? #LINK
gmannblancos: i think that runs just unit tests on 3.5 not patrole on 3.509:39
andreafso integration tests must pass when a service runs on py3.5 but it the goal does not say anything about running integration tests on py3.509:40
gmannandreaf: is it?09:40
andreafbut I would like to have that as a soft goal as well, not high prio like the main goal perhaps but it would be nice09:40
blancosgmann Oh I'm sorry you're right. We're working on CI gates right now, I'll check with my colleague who's working on that09:41
gmanni thought tests module too should be running on 3.509:41
gmannll check anyways09:41
andreafblancos, gmann: ok I'll prepare a spec / etherpad and we can all comment on it then09:41
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gmannandreaf: cool, thanks, i already added AI for you09:41
gmannanyways lets speed up09:41
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andreafgmann: yeah unit / functional tests09:41
andreafbut we don't have functional tests09:42
gmann#topic Specs Reviews09:42
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gmannandreaf: i see09:42
gmanni think samP created new one/restored HA one # link
samPgmann: yes09:43
gmannlet's talk on that separately09:43
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gmannanything else on specs?09:43
samPgmann: sure09:43
andreafok thanks I need to review that one :)09:43
andreafsamP: is it WIP or ready for review?09:44
gmann#topic Tempest09:44
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gmann- Warnings for internal interfaces? (andreaf)09:44
samPadiantum: WIP for now,09:44
andreafsamP: ok thanks09:44
samPandreaf: sorry, WIP for now, I will update my todo items09:44
gmannandreaf: you mean warning on each internal interface but we do not know how many in use09:44
andreafgmann: yeah I wanted to chat about if / how we advertise tempest internal interfaces09:45
andreafso something like raising a warning if an internal module is imported by a project that is not tempest09:45
gmannandreaf: so doc on stable interface as list should be enough? and everything else is internal09:45
andreafI'm not sure how to implement that in way that is not too invasive and verbose, and I'm not sure if it's a good idea09:46
gmanni know we do that currently and people still use internal variable too :)09:46
toskyis there a way to identify them with some code analysis? It would be easier to identify the top-requested functions before starting to see warnings all over09:46
gmannandreaf: ok, that will be good but on import warning it will be tempest too09:46
andreafgmann: well docs are ok I guess, but people does not necessarily read docs - which is normal09:46
toskygmann: can we defer the warning after identifing the required missing interfaces?09:47
gmanntosky:  we can grep on codesearch but how many,09:47
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andreafgmann: yeah I have some scripts to find out imports09:47
gmanntosky: yea thats main goal, to have more and more required interface as stable09:47
gmannandreaf: nice. but list might be huge right09:48
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toskyyes, but starting with warnings before having alternatives may be... counterproductive09:48
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andreafgmann: #link
gmanntosky: +1 i am on that side always :) but let's see how many we can provide09:48
gmanntosky: but thing is it takes time to give complete interface as stable09:49
gmannandreaf: cool, thanks09:49
andreaftosky: well apart from credential providers and perhaps I think the alternative is to write the test in the plugins...09:49
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gmannnext - #link
andreaftosky: well remote client perhaps as well, but I don't think we have much more high value things to move to lib09:50
gmann^^ are open review on tempest keep doing the good work09:50
gmannBug Triage:09:50
prateek, can someone please review this too ?09:50
gmannseems like nobody did last week09:50
toskyandreaf: "get me the proper network used for the test, either created with the dynamic project or preconfigured"09:51
gmannbut we have report from luzC on previous week09:51
andreafgmann: lucZ sent an email about bug triage09:51
toskyandreaf: that's required for any serious scenario tests09:51
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gmannandreaf: yea, i added in report #link
gmannwe have 7 new bugs09:51
gmannjwhite is next week. ll ping him if i can reach to him09:52
gmannanything on tempest side ?09:52
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toskya potential issue with external plugin configuration, but we can handle it on -qa later09:52
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gmannif nothing on DevStack  grenade, o-h we can skip as time is less09:52
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tosky(well, not potential)09:53
gmanntosky: yea, do we have bug on that, saw conversation on QA channel but not fully09:53
chandankumargmann: do we really need this while building doc ?09:53
chandankumarto generate a list of plugins09:53
chandankumaror i move it to a seperate tox section?09:54
gmannchandankumar: need to check that is for listing all plugin on sample right09:54
gmann#topic Patrole09:54
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chandankumargmann: ok09:54
gmannblancos: your turn, anything you want to bring in09:54
gmannblancos: not sure about admin things on tests which i need to check the framework first09:55
blancosI had 3 questions related to Patrole, but I can save them for -qa since we're short on time09:55
gmannblancos: go ahead we can see if out of time09:55
blancosOkay. 1. I understand that at the PTG it was decided base classes would become stable interfaces. I was wondering if there was any talk about doing that for waiters as well09:56
gmannblancos: waiter too. i will check that09:56
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blancos2. A couple were asking at a meeting yesterday if we had an IRC room. We don't09:57
blancosWould we use QA's or get our own?09:57
gmanni reemember we had patch for waiter but need to check where that went09:57
gmannblancos: we cover in QA meeting but if you feel you need more time then its all ncie to have sub meeting too09:57
gmannwe do in nova09:58
gmannandreaf: ^^ what u say09:58
gmannblancos: keep your 3rd question on QA :) sorry09:58
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gmann#topic Destructive Testing09:58
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samPI hv just proposed a new spec (443504) in favor of Timur’s spec.09:58
gmannso destructive testing is being started by samP09:58
gmannsamP: big thanks on that09:58
andreafgmann: well in terms of IRC I would rather keep one room09:58
gmannsamP: cool09:58
samPgmann: np09:58
samPI will address all the comments to Timur’s spec in my new spec.09:59
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andreafgmann: in terms of meeting, if there is a need for a submeeting (enough to discuss there) I'm fine with that09:59
gmannsamP: in barcelona we mainly wanted user story on spec side09:59
gmannsamP: not sure you have in spec, if not can you put some of them09:59
samPgmann: I will add them09:59
gmannsamP: it will be easy to visualize09:59
gmannsamP: thanks09:59
gmannandreaf: ok10:00
samPgmann: I will update this spec and clear my todos soon10:00
gmannlet's move to QA10:00
andreafgmann: but I would keep a patrole section in the main meeting for a quick update10:00
gmannthanks all for joining10:00
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chandankumargmann: Thanks for chairing  the meeting :-)10:00
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cdent#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar  9 14:00:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
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cdentHi, welcome to a nova meeting run by me because mriedem has the audacity to parent his actual children rather than us.14:00
mriedemyou'll always be abused stepchildren to me14:01
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cdentwe'll just run through the agenda like normal14:01
cdent#topic release news14:01
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cdent#link Pike release schedule:
mriedemi updated the official release schedule with our spec freeze date14:02
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cdentjust over a month util p-114:02
bauzasmriedem: cool14:02
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cdent#link review for spec freeze date
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cdentanybody want to say anything else about that?14:03
cdent#topic bugs14:03
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cdentthere is a critical bug:14:03
cdent#link - quotas are not decremented in nova cell DB when we delete an instance in cell014:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1670627 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "quota is always in-use after delete the ERROR instances " [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem)14:03
mriedemi've got a fix started in the series here
mriedemKevin_Zheng has a local recreate and was testing the fix last night,14:04
mriedemi'm going to work on a functional test to recreate today14:04
bauzasmriedem: even with single cell ?14:04
cdentso, under control, any help needed?14:04
mriedemumm, eyeballs are nice14:04
mriedemit's also in ocata,14:05
mriedemwhich is bad14:05
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mriedemso only the bottom patch is going to be backported14:05
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* cdent gives mriedem glenn's eyeball14:05
mriedemthe top one is a pike-only issue14:05
bauzasit's a WIP because of lack of testing ?14:05
bauzasoh no14:05
mriedembauzas: and because we don't know it fixes the issue yet14:05
bauzasnvm :)14:05
mriedemhence the need for a functional test14:06
mriedemb/c unit tests aren't going to cut it14:06
mriedemnothing else on that14:06
cdentthere's also a critical bug over on the docs side of the world related to updates of the install docs for nova. this is close to being resolved and verified. the review for that is:14:06
cdent#link install docs update:
cdentI just got halfway through a greenfield install it is working14:07
bauzascdent: FWIW, I wonder if the docs bug is really a regression or not14:07
bauzasseems like it's libvirt not restarted14:07
cdentbauzas: there's two issue at play14:07
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bauzasokay, I'll look into it14:08
cdentone is that there were no docs for greenfield install of cells and placement14:08
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cdentthe other is the libvirt thing14:08
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bauzasI thought there was a review for the cells and placement doc ?14:08
cdentthe former is in hand, not sure on the latter14:08
cdentthat's the link I just pasted above, so yes14:08
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cdentbut it's considered pretty crtiical from the docs side of the world since they'd like to have correct ocata docs, since its already out14:09
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cdentany other critical bugs?14:09
cdent#link check queue gate status
cdentmriedem anything to say about that?14:09
cdentmust be parenting14:10
cdenttiming is everything14:10
mriedemteeth need to be brushed14:10
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cdent#link 3rd party CI status
mriedemno news there really14:11
cdentit is what is say on the tin14:11
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cdent#topic reminders14:11
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cdent#link Pike Review Priorities etherpad:
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cdentsubteams should start getting things on there14:11
cdentif they haven't already14:11
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cdent#link Forum planning:
mriedemwaits for next link...14:12
cdentit seems the message has changed and now there will be more for devs at summit than initially expected14:12
cdentthe next link is for brainstorming nova stuff there14:12
mriedemdansmith started an etherpad for nova stuff at the forum14:12
cdent#link Forum discussion planning for nova (dansmith)14:12
mriedemit sounds like we'll have some time for meetup-style discussion in a large room with lots of smaller tables,14:13
mriedemsounds like the lunch room at the PTG actually14:13
bauzasmriedem: midcycle-ish ?14:13
mriedemwell, point is to try and get some topics on that etherpad for things that whoever is there can talk about14:13
mriedemmostly going to be checkpointing on the status of the priorities14:13
cdent#topic stable branch status14:14
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mriedemgoing to be doing an ocata release next week14:14
mriedemafter we get this quotas thing fixed14:14
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mriedemthere is another regression fix for libvirt+xen already backported so need to get that out14:15
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mriedemb/c it breaks that type of deploy on upgrade to ocata depending on your libvirt/qemu versions14:15
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cdent#topic subteam highlights14:16
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cdentdansmith: you here?14:16
mriedemi can vouch14:16
bauzasnot yet14:16
mriedemdansmith has a series here for teaching the api about cells14:16
mriedemwe found some issues yesterday in the series so part of it has been moved out,14:16
mriedembut dansmith has basically a clean tempest run at the end14:16
bauzasyeah the set_target_cell() method was merged yesterday, cools14:17
mriedemwith multiple cells14:17
mriedemthe issue we found prompted
mriedemi'm going to be writing a spec for that today or tomorrow14:17
mriedembut the abstract has the details14:17
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mriedemwe also talked about the searchlight spec a bit
mriedemand counting quotas14:17
mriedemlongest cells meeting ever actually14:18
mriedemthat's it14:18
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cdentedleafe: scheduler?14:18
edleafeDiscussed concerns about the destructive potential of bulk creation and deletion of traits. Resolved to remove those from the spec for now.14:18
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edleafeDecided that resource updates in placement should not emit notifications - such notifications are best handled by the service managing the resource.14:18
edleafeNeed to get spec core eyeballs on traits spec:14:18
edleafejroll to create specs for flavor changes needed for ironic resource classes.14:18
edleafeTyping speeds: alex_xu > edleafe > jroll > cdent14:18
cdenthey, I improved by the end14:18
edleafenot enough14:18
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cdenttdurakov: live migration?14:19
jaypipesedleafe: it's on my list.14:19
edleafejaypipes: thx14:19
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cdentanyone else from live migration?14:19
raj_singhMostly we talked about specs on LM14:19
armstrongI am interested on live migration14:20
raj_singhone to support LM of rescue instances14:20
raj_singhI have few other specs up, as follow on from PTG14:20
raj_singhthat was pretty much it14:20
cdentalex_xu or johnthetubaguy want to summarize api?14:21
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cdentokay, we had some discussion summarizing capabilities talk at the PTG14:21
cdentrob*cresswell showed up to ask about that a bit14:21
cdentdiscussion about policy handling14:22
cdentsome long term noodling14:22
cdentsr-iov/pci ?14:23
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mriedemdon't see moshele14:23
cdentgibi: notifications?14:23
gibiI started a weekly status / focus mail about notifications14:23
gibiOn the meeting the biggest buzz was about searchlight integration14:23
gibiwe found out that searchlight hasn't built on versioned notification yet.14:23
gibion our side we need to focus on #link
gibiI will draft the BDM related payload pieces this week14:23
gibiShort circuiting notifications progressing. The oslo.messaging part has been merged.14:24
mriedemthanks gibi14:24
cdentnice summary14:24
cdentefried, thorst : powervm?14:24
efriedHi folks.  We have six reviews ready for the broader team.  They're listed in the etherpad, or here (the ones with CR+1):
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efriedThe bottom few of these have been ready since the PTG.  I don't know the protocol, and don't want to step on any toes, but how do I... er... encourage attention?14:25
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mriedemefried: wait for the fires to go out?14:25
mriedemjust be patient14:25
efriedCool beans.14:25
mriedemefried: i've noticed you helping to review other patches too,14:25
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mriedemthat helps, thanks14:25
mriedemkarma and all14:25
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efriedCool, will keep at that, for whatever it's worth ;-)14:26
efriedThat's all I have.  Thanks.14:26
cdentmriedem you wanna do cinder?14:26
mriedemyeah, status is the same as last week14:26
mriedemlyarwood has the patches for uuid and attachment_id in bdm,14:26
mriedemildikov updated the patch to support cinder v314:26
mriedemand johnthetubaguy has the spec to use the new apis14:26
mriedemthe nova/cinder meeting is later today14:26
mriedemlyarwood: i think you need to address some stuff in those patches btw14:27
mriedemlooks like good review on john's spec though14:27
cdent#topic stuck reviews14:27
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cdentnone listed on the agenda14:27
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cdent#topic open discussion14:28
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edleafeYEah, this is a low priority14:29
edleafebut since we decided to only support one API, the 'openstack' subdirectory isn't needed14:29
cdentyeah, that would be nice to clean up some day14:29
edleafeWanted to get others' input on this14:29
edleafeI have a couple of baby steps in my local git14:30
bauzasnot sure it honestly requires a blueprint14:30
bauzasit's just internal repackaging14:30
sfinucansounds like cleanup. Doubt we'd need a bp?14:30
bauzasexcept tracking all needs14:30
sfinucan^ yeah, that14:30
edleafebauzas: yeah, but for tracking14:30
sfinucanspecless bp14:30
edleafesfinucan: that's what I was thinking14:31
bauzasedleafe: well, there is a notion for that called gerrit topics but meh :)14:31
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bauzasI defer to the parent who left (c) me to say whether you need blessing for a BP or not :)14:31
cdentone issue is nova.api.openstack shows up in paste.ini14:32
edleafecdent: yes, that would have to change14:32
cdentso upgrading becomes painful in some situations14:33
cdentthere's one more open topic:14:33
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cdentbut logan- is not here14:33
bauzascdent: oh good point for paste :/14:34
cdentAny other open topics?14:34
cdentThen let's continue chatting in #openstack-nova14:34
cdentthanks everyone for coming14:35
edleafethanks cdent14:35
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johnthetubaguyedleafe: FWIW, we went through some related cleanups in the API meeting yesterday14:36
edleafejohnthetubaguy: I'll grab the logs and read them14:37
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kevinbenton#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar  9 22:00:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at
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kevinbentonihrachys, armax, amotoki: ping22:00
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kevinbentonlooks like Akihiro may be absent22:01
kevinbentonshall we review some RFEs now or should we maybe try to find some new folks to join the drivers team for next week?22:02
ihrachyswe punted several meetings22:02
kevinbentonyeah, it feels strange to make decisions with 1-2 people22:03
kevinbentonlet's see if we can get some non-contentious stuff done22:03
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armaxis there anything in the approved pipeline worth going over into?22:03
armaxor pike-1 targeted stuff that needs attention?22:03
armaxwe don’t necessarily have to talk about unapproved RFEs if the existing workload is not moving at the pace it should22:04
armaxP-1 is sooner than we think22:04
kevinbentonwhat do you want to discuss about existing ones?22:05
kevinbentondeferring them?22:05
armaxI am talking about more specifically22:05
ihrachysI hear that may loose its approver22:06
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armaxihrachys: how so?22:07
armaxis ajo no longer able to work upstream?22:08
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ihrachysI think ajo was going to pull himself off it though I will let him to update with specifics22:08
armaxon the OVS agent data plane?22:08
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ihrachysarmax: why no! but priorities shift22:08
kevinbentonok. i would rather actually bring up these blueprints already in progress in the main meeting22:08
kevinbentonbecause otherwise it's hard to bring attention to the wider community on these issues22:09
kevinbentonwe can see if we have another volunteer in the next meeting to take ajo's place22:09
armaxbut the main meeting is packed22:09
armaxwe can at least do some filtering here22:09
armaxbut you’re the boss22:09
armaxif nothing else, I think it’s long overdue to come up with a decision about
armaxit’s been many releases this hasn’t gone anywhere22:10
kevinbentonwell it has been revised many times22:10
ihrachysI believe it was raised during ptg and the resolution was it (and similar initiatives) is blocked by ml2 binding validation work that should have gotten its own RFE22:10
armaxwe’re still at the spec level22:10
kevinbentonyes, and I think the API is agreed on now, right?22:11
kevinbentonthe last stuff is coming down to OVS implementation22:12
ihrachysI believe it was, yes. so should we ask ml2 folks to report BP and then we can set blueprint dependencies properly? and push work on ml2 binding validation from there?22:12
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kevinbentonwhy is it blocked on binding validation?22:14
kevinbentonjust ensuring that something supports the logging?22:14
ihrachysyeah otherwise you enable a feature but it doesn't work, and there is no api way to detect that22:14
ihrachyslike we have for qos right now22:15
kevinbentonand security groups22:16
ihrachysit's an old question of whether we should allow those cases to creep in, or block them on framework enhancement22:17
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ihrachysin Ocata we blocked some qos feature work on rule validation enhancements. that case does seem similar.22:18
kevinbentonright, so far we've achieved the blocking part but we're missing out on the framework enhancements :)22:18
armaxpersonally I’d rather build a solid framework22:18
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armaxand then lay on top features than the other way around22:18
ihrachyskevinbenton: because no one works. now why is it? is it because people refuse to, or because they are not aware of dependency chain?22:18
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kevinbentonihrachys: it may be the latter22:19
ihrachyskevinbenton: for qos, we definitely saw rule validation enhanced this cycle. partially I attribute that to the stand taken by armax22:19
kevinbentonihrachys: but it ended up being a qos-specific feature, no?22:20
kevinbentonihrachys: we can't re-use that right now, or can we22:20
ihrachysit was, because at that moment it was not seen as a common issue.22:20
ihrachysor rather qos folks were not told they gotta make it more reusable.22:20
ihrachysso that's our opportunity to take what landed and make it more generic22:21
kevinbentondo we ask the security group logging folks to work on that?22:22
ihrachysI would think people talking about that mechanism during ptg would chime in, but yes, help from other sides would be good to see.22:23
kevinbentonwe can fix the dependency visibility, and hopefully it will help. what i'm worried about is that we are telling other people to go off and make larger architectural fixes22:23
ihrachyshas anyone followed up with ml2 folks after ptg on that matter? I hope it won't end up as another nice thing discussed but never materialized22:23
kevinbentonthat they don't have the background knowledge to dig into22:23
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ihrachysthat's a valid concern. so who's going to dig architectural fixes?22:25
kevinbentoni don't see the ml2 people following up with
kevinbentoni'll reach out to rkukura and see who is actually going to work on it22:25
ihrachysthat makes sense22:25
ihrachysoverall I would suggest to track ptg discussions in some medium that would avoid things slipping thru cracks.22:26
ihrachyssome teams took over relevant notes from etherpads and oral discussions and follow up on them22:26
ihrachysbut some may need some pokes :)22:26
ihrachyskevinbenton: do you want to add an action item onto yourself to follow up? #action22:27
kevinbenton#action kevinbenton to follow up with Bob about ML2 driver capability work22:27
kevinbentonthe security group logging API is operator-only, isn't it?22:28
ihrachysI see what you imply. that may change the priority of validation22:29
ihrachysI guess with that in mind we could make a one-off exception. armax?22:30
kevinbentonyeah, if this is operator-only, i would rather just not even make this dependent on that framework22:30
kevinbentonbecause presumably the operator is aware of what backend they are using22:31
armaxone-off exception to give that a blank check?22:31
ihrachysdefine thta22:32
armaxkevinbenton: the problem is not so much that the operator knows, it’s when you have multiple backends active at the same time and you may get impredictable results depending on where the VM lands22:32
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kevinbentonarmax: and how do you think the ml2 framework would help that for operator defined things?22:32
kevinbentonarmax: it would just silently fail all user ports that end up on other mechanism drivers?22:33
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armaxnot sure I have an answer handy right now22:33
kevinbentonwell unless we have a clear thing the dependency would be good for in this case, maybe we shouldn't block this particular patch22:34
kevinbentonshall we discuss some RFEs?22:35
kevinbentoni'm going to comment on the spec22:36
ihrachyskevinbenton: easy one: should we close ?22:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1463784 in neutron "[RFE] Networking L2 Gateway does not work with DVR" [Wishlist,In progress]22:36
ihrachysseems handled on l2gw side22:36
armaxkevinbenton: have you considered who is going to help throughout the review process if rossella doesn’t have much time?22:36
armaxas for the RFE you just mentined, this probably needs to be recycled22:37
kevinbentonarmax: what does that mean?22:37
kevinbentonit sounds like it should be closed22:38
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ihrachysI think there is no work on neutron side22:38
ihrachysso we can just Won't Fix or smth22:38
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kevinbentoni think just remove neutron22:39
armaxI marked it invalid22:39
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ihrachyskevinbenton: what's next?22:41
openstackLaunchpad bug 1476527 in neutron "[RFE] Add common classifier resource" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Igor Duarte Cardoso (igordcard)22:42
kevinbentonso common classifier22:42
ihrachysI heard Igor is working on PoC in neutron-classifier repo scope22:42
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kevinbentonyeah, it sounds like it's still out of tree for now22:43
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ihrachysI think it's fine to leave him poking the thing and get back it once/if he has something22:43
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armaxI think no-one is opposed to the idea22:43
armaxonce the effort gets some critical mass we can consider it for governance inclusion22:44
armaxand adoption in other subprojects22:44
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1525824 in neutron "[RFE] Add a 'promiscuous mode' extension for ports" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:44
armaxlet’s recycle this one22:45
armaxsubmitter never came back22:45
kevinbentonarmax: i still don't know what recycle means22:45
armaxmark incomplete22:45
kevinbentonarmax: ok22:45
kevinbentonarmax: yeah22:45
armaxso that LP bot can expire in due course22:45
ihrachys"If the code fails to merge, the bug report may be marked as incomplete, unassigned and untargeted, and it will be garbage collected by the Launchpad Janitor if no-one takes over in time. Renewed interest in the feature will have to go through RFE submission process once again."22:45
armaxshould have marked incomplete long time ago, tbh22:45
armaxihrachys == LP bot22:46
kevinbentonright, but it's not like we are able to use the number again so it's not recycled :)22:46
armaxkevinbenton: the RFE can alway come back to life22:46
kevinbentonbringing it back to life would be the recycling part :)22:46
openstackLaunchpad bug 1541895 in neutron "[RFE] [IPAM] Make IPAM driver a per-subnet pool option" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:47
kevinbentonI would say mark incomplete for this one22:47
kevinbentonuntil John shows resources22:47
armaxyes, we can ping John again just in case22:47
kevinbentonarmax: ok, do you want to do that?22:47
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1610898 in neutron "[RFE] create "baremetal" Mechanism ML2 driver" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:48
ihrachys^ That's misplaced. let's Won't Fix, it's not in our scope to maintain a driver for BM is it?22:49
kevinbentonsounds like this can be won't fix22:49
kevinbentonIMO no22:49
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armaxI think this is won’t fix22:49
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1610898 in neutron "[RFE] create "baremetal" Mechanism ML2 driver" [Wishlist,Won't fix]22:50
armaxwe don’t need and RFE to instrument the codebase with callbacks22:50
openstackLaunchpad bug 1622753 in neutron "[RFE] Block non-IP traffic in security groups/firewall driver" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:51
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armaxwe might have lost the contributor here22:52
kevinbentonyeah, let's ping Dustin on there and see if he wants to work on it at all22:53
armaxnot sure we could do anything about this one even if we wanted to22:53
kevinbentonwe could potentially do something with a new attribute on the port22:53
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kevinbentona new config option is a bit problematic since it's not API discoverable22:54
ihrachyskevinbenton: more like security group attribute?22:54
armaxihrachys: yeah22:54
kevinbentonihrachys: well not quite, a port can be associated with many security groups22:54
kevinbentonihrachys: and this is about filtering traffic not defined by the security groups22:54
armaxit’s probably even a new resource altogether IMO22:54
ihrachysfwaas is it? :)22:54
armaxI wouldn’t mix the two22:55
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kevinbentonarmax: what do you mean a new resource?22:55
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armaxkevinbenton: I don’t think that using the security group API is going to cut it22:56
kevinbentonarmax: it seems like it will need to be a property of the port or maybe the network22:56
ihrachyskevinbenton: well we already should have some kind of convergence mechanism for multiple groups. it's just a matter of picking the intended behaviour on conflicting rules?22:56
kevinbentonihrachys: there can't be conflicting rules22:56
kevinbentonihrachys: security groups only denies22:56
kevinbentonihrachys: sorry22:56
kevinbentonihrachys: allows22:56
kevinbentonihrachys: so they compose22:56
kevinbentonthe issue is that we have an impliticit allow rule right now with one of the drivers22:57
ihrachysah right22:58
kevinbentonwell let's ping Dustin, no point in deliberating if we have nobody to work on int22:58
ihrachystime check 2 mins22:58
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kevinbentonwas hoping to approve
openstackLaunchpad bug 1630981 in neutron "[rfe] Implement l2pop driver functionality in l2 agent" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:59
kevinbentonsince i'm not sure there is a downside22:59
kevinbentonbut we can discuss next week23:00
armaxI am +2 on that one23:00
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armaxwe just have to work out who works on it :)23:00
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armaxihrachys, kevinbenton btw23:00
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armaxI am going to respin it later today23:01
armaxwe should probably put that behind us23:01
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