Thursday, 2017-03-16

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ekcstime for congressteammeeting. ramineni_ aimeeu00:00
ekcs#startmeeting congressteammeeting00:00
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ekcshi all!00:01
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ekcsthinrichs and masahito are not going to be here this week. And it doesn’t seem like we have a lot to talk about. So probably will be a short meeting. or just extra time for topics we don’t normally get to spend as much time on.00:01
ekcshere are the topics we have put down for today.
ekcsfeel free to add.00:02
ekcsok then.00:05
ekcs#topic policy library00:05
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ekcsWe’ve been adding policies to this google doc. #link
ekcsI added a couple policies similar to AWS.00:06
ekcsNot much to say about it right now. Seems like we have at least a few generally useful policies. so that’s good news for the policy library.00:07
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ekcsOne thing I noticed is that our cinder driver is missing some useful information about attachements and encryption. At some point I may need to take a look on how/whether we can add them.00:08
ekcsso support this kind of policy.
ekcsanything else? =)00:09
ramineni_That info is available in cinder v200:10
ekcsyou mean from the client?00:10
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ekcsI’m not totally sure. the info is available in horizon under volumes.00:11
ekcsso right the next logical step is to see how it’s obtained from client/api00:11
ekcshow do you usually go about finding out something like that? source code?00:12
ramineni_Oohk ..Ya ..May be u can raise bug for it ..So that we don't forget to look into it later ?00:12
ramineni_Ya . Or API guide00:12
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ekcsok then let’s move on.00:14
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ekcs#topic pike tasks00:15
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ekcsSome Pike tasks created here based on PTG discussions.
ekcsI don’t have anything in particular to talk about. But we have some time for that.00:16
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ekcsok moving on then =)00:18
ramineni_If we were to add violation s panel in UI ..00:18
ekcsoh ok.00:18
ekcsuh huh?00:18
ramineni_Did we agree to list only error s   table00:18
ekcsI don’t think we decided on it. but that’s one option discussed. involving probably the least changes.00:19
ekcsotherwise we need some way of designating a table as “violation”00:20
ramineni_Ok .. ya00:20
ekcsI personally think error or another reserved table name is a good first step for pike. but we didn’t exactly make a decision.00:20
ramineni_Ya .. May be I will add the topic for next week .. we could discuss more on this when everyone available00:21
ekcsother options: maybe each policy can have a metadata on which tables are violations. maybe we can just have modal rules that designate tables as violations. like violation[unsecured_vm] :-00:22
ekcsor something. ok that’s a good idea.00:22
ekcsbtw I see that you have a couple patches for UI changes. thanks for jumping on that.00:22
ekcshow familiar are you with django?00:23
ramineni_Learning :)00:23
aimeeuHi ekcs and ramineni_  - joined late and am on mobile.00:24
ekcshi aimeeu !00:24
ramineni_Ekcs : may be if you have some time .. you can test it out and let me know on the changes if they look good00:25
ramineni_Hi aimeeu00:25
ekcsramineni_: haha ok. one reason I’m asking is thinking whether I should prioritize learning django for violations pane. or prioritize other tasks.00:25
ekcsramineni_: yup i’m setting up to test drive the changes.00:25
ekcsok then. anything else on pike tasks?00:26
ramineni_Ok :) thanks00:26
ekcs#action ekcs register task on cinder driver data: encryption, attachments00:27
ekcsok then.00:27
ekcs#topic open discussion00:27
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ekcsnot usre we have anything. but I’ll give us a couple minutes to see if there’s anything else we want to talk about.00:28
aimeeuNothing from me other than now  that the OPNFV release is done, I plan to start on my Congress stuff00:28
ekcsaimeeu: awesomeness on opnfv.00:29
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ekcsone quick question, does the project pull congress from stable branch or from some packaged release?00:29
aimeeuStable branch00:30
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aimeeuIn this release, Newton00:30
ekcsok great. so not too affected by update releases. thanks. we did just release an update to newton.00:30
ekcsbut that doesn’t affect opnfv then.00:31
ekcsok then. let’s wrap up for the day?00:32
aimeeuSounds good00:32
ramineni_Yes .. Nothing from my side00:33
ekcsalright then! have a great week ramineni_, aimeeu !00:33
ekcssee you next week.00:33
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ianychoijftalta, :)13:01
-amotoki- already has beers13:01
ianychoijpich, amotoki hi!13:01
ianychoiwow beer!13:02
ianychoilet me have 5 mins please13:02
ianychoi#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting13:05
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 16 13:05:47 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'13:05
ianychoijftalta, jpich, amotoki: sorry for late start13:06
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ianychoiTodays it seems that there are 4 members13:06
ianychoi#topic Boston Summit & Forum schedule is now available13:06
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ianychoijpich, amotoki, jftalta : will you come to Boston Summit?13:07
ianychoiSchedule is now available13:07
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amotokiianychoi: hope so. my sessions was accepted.13:07
amotokisessions -> session13:07
ianychoijpich, I understand since you attended to PTG13:07
ianychoiamotoki, oh congratulation!13:07
jpichCongrats, amotoki :)13:07
amotokithanks. no related to i18n though13:08
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jftaltaI will. I've got my pass, flight tickets and accomodation :)13:08
ianychoiI am now arranging with Foundation for discounts of language coordinators13:08
ianychoijftalta, wow congrats!13:08
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ianychoiI hope that more language coordinators will come to Boston Summit.13:08
ianychoiamotoki, fine :)13:09
ianychoiI accepted two presentations - one is for I18n and the other is for Korea user group13:09
ianychoiSo I definitely go to Boston Summit13:09
ianychoiAnd.. in my opinion, Boston Summit is very welcome for translators13:10
jftaltathanks to the presentation, we've got free pass13:10
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ianychoijftalta, yep, and also I am now arranging something more with Foundation. I will let you (language coordinators) know in details soon (hopefully)13:10
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ianychoi#topic Zanata upgrade status13:11
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ianychoiI talked with Clark Boylan - Infra team and the team wants to delete the old production (Zanata 3.7.3) if current Zanata 3.9 production works fine.13:11
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ianychoiAbout 15 hours ago, there were openstackid problem - but it was not related to Zanata and it quickly recovered13:12
ianychoijftalta, jpich: how do you feel new Zanata (3.9)?13:12
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jftaltaI checked it out and it seems to work fine for me. Embedded glossary is very convenient :)13:13
jpichI'm embarrassed to say I don't see much difference from my side, so it looks good to me :-)13:13
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ianychoiamotoki, have you experienced new Zanata?13:14
amotokiianychoi: a bit :)  Honestly I am not sure what are changed though13:14
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ianychoiamotoki, haha if you have the similar experience, I think deleting old production instance would be fine13:15
amotoki+1 for deleting the old one13:16
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ianychoijpich, jftalta: Then I will tell infra team that I18n team is ready for deleting the old production instance13:16
ianychoiamotoki, thanks13:16
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jftaltaianychoi, update of the glossary implies submitting a I18n patch, right ?13:18
ianychoijftalta, right and it was done :)13:18
ianychoiI am waiting for replies.. :)13:19
ianychoijftalta, thanks13:19
amotokiI see a new field "description" in glossary.13:19
amotokiwe may need to discuss the glossary format in the i18n repo a bit later.13:19
ianychoiamotoki, +113:20
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ianychoi#topic Finalizing Pike translation goal & priorities13:21
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ianychoiI would like to finalize the priority shared on the last week13:21
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ianychoiOne thing I am worried about now is that there weren't lots of feedback from translation goal & priorities13:22
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ianychoiThat's why I originally wanted to determine translation goal & priorities during Forum - but I agree that deciding this during initial phase of entire release period is better as an official team13:23
ianychoijftalta, amotoki: any concern for finalizing the translation goal & priority?13:23
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jftaltanone for me13:24
amotokiI am okay to set the initial priority now.13:24
jftaltaianychoi: oh, not sure I understood your question well ...13:25
amotokiIt might be better to add some note to Zanata top page that any feedback on priority is always welcome and/or it will be discussed in the Forum in Boston summit.13:25
amotokijust an idea.13:25
ianychoijftalta, what I meant is a few people responded to the plan & priority13:26
ianychoiamotoki, good idea - thanks13:26
jftaltaianychoi: I was talking about question "any concern for finalizing..."13:27
ianychoijftalta, just I want to ask opinions on finalizing the plan & priority13:27
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ianychoi#action ianychoi will update the translation plan & priority discussed on translate.o.o dashboard13:28
ianychoi#topic Thoughts on ATC criteria13:28
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ianychoiI think it might be a little bit trivial but I want to make sure what I18n made the criteria of ATC for translators13:29
ianychoiLet's suppose that13:30
ianychoiCase 1:  one translator "translate"d 150 words and "review"ed 150 words13:30
ianychoiCase 2: the other translator  "translate"d 150 words and "review"ed 151 words13:30
ianychoiCase 3: the third translator "translate"d 0 words but "review"ed 301 words13:31
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ianychoiIMO only 3 is valid for ATC status because we regard "300 words" contribution for one aspect as a commit13:32
ianychoijftalta, amotoki: what do you think about it?13:32
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jftaltafrom a technical/logical point of view, you are right. But from the contributor's point of view, it's unfair.13:33
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ianychoijpich, can I ask your opinion on three cases?13:34
jpichianychoi: I'd tend to agree with jftalta's opinion, I don't know about the technical limitations but these 3 people sound to me like they should get ATC status :)13:35
ianychoiamotoki, your thoughts?13:36
-amotoki- was not in front of PC a while13:37
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ianychoijftalta, jpich: yes. the calculation and considering is possible13:37
amotokiall three sounds good.13:37
ianychoiOkay :)13:37
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ianychoiLet's regard all three cases as ATCs in I18n team!13:38
amotokione thing to note13:38
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ianychoiCorrection: ATCs in OpenStack, and APCs in I18n team13:38
amotokigenerally speaking, reviewing tends to be easier than transaltion.13:38
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amotokiif we have good transaltions, we can review easily :)13:38
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amotokibut perhaps most reviewers review more from what I checked13:39
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ianychoiamotoki, oh really? I have not observed with such perspective13:39
jpichianychoi: What is the acronym meaning? (Sorry!)13:40
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amotokiAPC means Active Project (Program?) Contributor13:40
ianychoijpich, ATC is Active Technical Contributor and APC is Active Project Contributor :) That's prertty fine13:40
jpichAh, P for Project! Ok :)13:40
ianychoiI did not know them exactly about 2 years ago13:40
amotokiAPC has a right to vote for PTL of a corespoding project.13:41
jpichVery good13:41
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ianychoiFor review metric, then the possible idea would be 300 words for translations and/or 600 words for reviews by weighting to 1/2 for review contribution13:41
ianychoiFor example, 150 words translation + 200 reviews => No, since 150 + 2/200 = 25013:42
ianychoiBut 150 words translation + 300 reviews => Yes, since 150 + 2/300 = 30013:42
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amotokii might be wrong, but when I tested I got a bit bigger number of review words.13:42
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ianychoiamotoki, hmm... then let me check it13:43
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ianychoiLet's discuss this later13:43
amotokibut it might be confusing..... I think we can start with 1:1 weight for translations and reviews13:43
jpichAnother thought is that it might get complicated to explain the system. Wasn't one of the goals to encourage more reviews? Maybe valuing them the same (same weight) as a translation would help13:43
ianychoiWe have sufficient time to determine
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jftaltajpich: +113:44
ianychoijpich, thanks for your thought13:44
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ianychoi#action ianychoi will observe translation & review stats and see which metric have higher counts13:44
ianychoiLet's move on the next topic13:44
ianychoi#topic Release note translation criteria13:44
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ianychoiI am +1 for amotoki's suggestion13:45
ianychoiAnd, sorry for amotoki: I think I delayed it too much13:45
amotokiianychoi: np13:45
amotokipersonally I am a reader of English version :)13:46
jftaltaso am I13:47
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ianychoiI respect rsimai's opinion but for me the value of more publication to translated versions for new release notes is higher than a little bit embarassment with the mix of English and translated language13:47
ianychoiTo more enhance it, we need more volunteer who would like to investigate on how to improve13:48
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ianychoiFor me I have more priority in Stackalytics part during Pike cycle and hope that I will see this after Pike cycle if there is no volunteer13:49
amotokimy opinion is totally same as ianychoi.13:49
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ianychoiOkay, then let's go forward with amotoki's idea with release note criteria13:50
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ianychoi#topic Translation checksite using OpenStackAnsible13:50
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ianychoiI asked reviews to OpenStackAnsible team and Andy (PTL) did his first review on that13:51
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ianychoieumel8 said that he would respond it by this week.13:51
ianychoiNote that this is another goal of I18n team during Pike cycle13:51
ianychoi#topic Log translation discussion13:51
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ianychoiamotoki, again thanks a lot for your kind input into openstack-operators13:52
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ianychoiI sent a message to Torii-san today afternoon13:52
ianychoiI also sent a message to an ambassador in Chinese team13:52
ianychoiHope that Chinese team will respond in openstack-operators mailing list13:53
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amotokiI saw the forwarded mail in openstack jp team. no one seem to need translations so far.13:53
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ianychoiAlso, I sent an e-mail to IBM people and they said that they are discussing and they will respond by this week13:53
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amotokiI asked some operators in jp-ops Slack channel and got the same responses.13:53
ianychoiMatt - Nova PTL suggested me to also ask to Product Working Group.13:54
ianychoiI actually do not know Product Working Group too much, but would be a good idea to also ask to Product Working Group?13:54
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jftaltaI agree with eumel8. imo, it's not a topic...13:55
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amotokiProduct WG mainly focuses on gathering what we want and input them to developer side.13:55
ianychoieumul8: "- Log translation discussion. The message is clear: nobody wants logfile translation instead unique identifier. Let's skip the logs and focus on the real important things! " => That was Frank's message what he shared with me and jftalta13:55
jftaltayes, that's what I meant13:56
ianychoiamotoki, hmm it seems that their feedback would be also important. Yep more asking & discussion is good I think. I will also ask Product WG soon13:56
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ianychoiBut still personally, removing one functionality for translation is sad13:57
amotokisad :)13:57
amotokisad ?13:57
ianychoiHowever, if nobody uses it, then removing would be nice13:57
ianychoiThe decision would be un-recoverable13:57
amotokilet's translate it if we feel it useful :)13:57
ianychoiamotoki, +1 :)13:58
ianychoiThis is why I want to more ask with more side and Doug - prev Release Mgmt. PTL would think in the similar way13:58
ianychoi#topic Open discussions13:58
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amotokibefore we close the meeting, let me share one bug on stackalytics: bug 166976813:59
openstackbug 1669768 in openstack i18n ""language" filter does not work" [Medium,Triaged]
ianychoiamotoki, yep that's what I want to fix it13:59
amotokiit would be nice if someone investigates it13:59
ianychoiamotoki, I can see it after my PDF implemenation in Docs team is finished13:59
amotokiianychoi: nice13:59
ianychoiIt is now 95%... I think13:59
ianychoiAnd for a next step, I am asking one Korean contributor to propose & implement a spec: translated PDF support14:00
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ianychoiAlso, I am now doing my best to have successful transition from prev. design summit to forum14:00
-amotoki- time check14:01
ianychoiThanks you so much today, jpich jftalta amotoki14:01
ianychoiLet's finish it :)14:01
jpichThanks :)14:01
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jftaltathanks, bye14:01
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ianychoiBye all!14:01
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andreaf#start meeting qa17:02
andreaf#startmeeting qa17:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 16 17:02:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is andreaf. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:02
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andreafsorry my wifi crashed right before the meeting....17:02
andreafwho's here today?17:02
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andreafToday's agenda: #linK
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andreafthe agenda is a bit packed today, let's start, perhaps more will join17:04
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andreaf#topic actions from previous meeting17:05
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andreafone action was for gmann to check on libvirt crashes17:05
andreafas far as I know they are still very much around17:05
andreafone action was for me to work on the goals, I'll talk about those in a minute17:06
andreafand that's about it17:06
andreaf#topic The Forum, Boston17:06
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andreafso I just wanted to briefly talk about the forum in boston17:07
andreafas you may have seen in the ML we have a chance to come up with ideas for topics to discuss at the forum17:07
andreafI set up an etherpad for brainstorming: #link
andreafplease put your thoughts in there :)17:08
oomichiyeah, that is nice to get idea :)  btw how much time can we use for forum?17:08
andreafthe ML thread is #link
oomichi2days or 3days?17:08
andreafoomichi: well there's no project dedicated time as far as I understand17:08
andreafoomichi: it's mostly about cross project discussions17:08
oomichiandreaf: oh, ok. I am reading the mail on -dev17:09
andreaferr, I got the wrong ML link sorry17:09
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andreafML link #link
andreafwell I need to check how many days17:11
oomichiandreaf: you are already requesting slots on forum :)17:11
andreafalso at the summit we will have onboarding sessions17:11
andreafonboarding #link
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andreafI setup an etherpad for ideas, we're going to have about 15min to present what we do to new contributors17:12
andreafI think it's quite important :)17:12
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andreafwe share a 90min session with infra / stable / release, so 15 min each17:12
oomichimtreinish is writing testing guideline on gerrit, that would be helpful for forum17:12
chandankumarsorry i am late17:12
chandankumarhello all!17:13
oomichichandankumar: hi :)17:13
andreafoomichi: heh sure but I think we need to have something more presentation like about what we do17:13
andreafoomichi: with a lof of links to the docs :)17:13
oomichiandreaf: yeah, doc is important :)17:14
andreafwe won't have time to get into anything detail, we just need to highlight the cool things we do and attract folks to come and join our team17:14
andreafso again if you have ideas about this put them in the etherpad17:15
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andreafmoving on since we have a packed agenda17:15
andreaf#topic OpenStack University17:15
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chandankumaroomichi: andreaf i have started putting thoughts on how to improve docs which put on etherpad soon17:15
andreafI wanted to take one moment to mention this17:15
andreafchandankumar: cool thanks17:15
oomichichandankumar: thanks :)17:15
andreafI think this is a really important initiative17:16
oomichichandankumar: which etherpad you will put ?17:16
andreafmaking a nice and welcoming experience for new contributors is key for OpenStack17:16
chandankumaroomichi: i will put on etherpad.o.o , will pass you link tomorrow17:16
andreaf#info gmann is the QA liason for openstack university17:17
oomichichandankumar: nice, thanks!17:17
andreafthanks gmann for volunteering17:17
andreafbut anyone can put their name in to help out17:17
andreafvolunteers for openstack university #link
andreafthere are sessions at the summit so every 6 months17:18
andreafbut it's also an ongoing effort17:18
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andreaf#topic Gate status17:19
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andreafso the gate is not so healthy still17:19
andreafone change for mysql tuning was merged and reverted quickly17:19
andreafGate status #link
andreaffailures are still too many17:20
andreafso I think we may still have too much load during the API phase17:20
oomichioh, that seems bad..17:20
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andreafI've been working on splitting API and scenario test, but the d-g patch is still up for review17:21
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jordanPthe problem seems to be memory consumption17:21
andreafd-g patch for scenario job: #link
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jordanPif we can't reduce our memory usage and increase the memory available we are stuck17:21
jordanPandreaf, what's the purpose of your patch ?17:22
andreafjordanP: so I'm setting up a scenario only job17:23
jordanPyou plan to not run any scenarios by default ?17:23
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andreafjordanP: so if we can take scenarios out completely from the other job and reduce concurrency that would help on memory impact17:23
jordanPno, I doubt it17:23
andreafjordanP: well the patch with concurrency 3 seem to behave better17:24
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andreafjordanP: and API tests with concurrency 4 create a lot of load because some of servers and volumes creations17:24
jordanPit's only a small workaround that will give us, maybe, a couple of months17:24
andreafjordanP: it's one possible direction17:24
andreafjordanP: well it's many efforts going on in parallel17:25
andreaftuning mysql, removing deprecated api versions, reduce concurrency17:25
andreafchecking for unneeded heavy tests17:25
jordanPTempest can't be the only one paying the price17:25
andreafdebug failures17:25
andreafjordanP: I'm not sure what you mean by that17:26
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andreafa lot of folks in the community are looking into this not only QA17:26
jordanPwell, the problem is not with the tests or with the concurrency but we the dozens of python services openstack spawns17:26
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jordanPand the apache2 workers etc...17:27
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andreafjordanP: I don't think anyone has the final proof on what the cause is  and there are many opinions17:27
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andreafjordanP: there was a discussion on that in the ML as well17:28
andreafjordanP: but we need to do our best on our side to make sure we keep the SUT under a reasonable load17:28
andreafjordanP: and it's true that for a while we've been adding stuff with not much control17:28
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jordanPnot sure who we mean by "we"17:29
andreafjordanP: well I meant the QA team17:29
andreafjordanP: hitting the SUT as hard as we can is not very good17:29
jordanPthen I disagree, we've been running with the same concurrency for a really long time17:30
oomichiit would be important to measure memory usages for each process at the time the problem happens17:30
jordanPalready done17:30
jordanPwe have mem_tracker.py17:30
oomichithen which process consumes?17:31
andreafjordanP: so I think we need to tackle this from many different fronts17:31
jordanPmysql is arounf 500MB, the sum of apache works around 500M, the sum of python VMs around XGB17:31
andreafjordanP: and just saying it's not a QA problem won't get us anywhere17:31
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andreafjordanP: but I value a lot the concurrent testing, so I want to be very careful with keeping it17:32
toskythat's ture, but what is the plan in case the services just kept growing their resource usage?17:32
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andreaftosky, jordanP: well that must be kept under control as well for sure but it's out of my hands at least - I can only weigh in in the ML thread and discussions at PTG/ forum17:34
oomichicool, the log is gotten when the end of Tempest, right?17:34
andreafjordanP, tosky: that's for sure a good discussion topic for the forum17:34
oomichibecause MemAvailable seems much enough17:34
andreafjordanP: perhaps you can write down about that in our brainstorming etherpad17:35
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jordanPmemavailable is always 8GB because those VM have 8GB of ram17:35
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jordanPI may miss the Forum17:36
andreafjordanP: can I give an action to you to sum up the info we have on this and restore the ML thread?17:36
andreafjordanP: too bad17:36
andreafbut please still do contribute to the brainstorming17:36
jordanPandreaf, yeah ok, I can restore the ML thread17:37
andreafwe should talk about that17:37
jordanPwhich one is it exactly ?17:37
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andreafheh there were a couple of them right?17:37
jordanPhaha, possibly, ok I'll look for it/them17:38
andreaf#action jordanP collect memory info about the gate and write to the ML17:38
andreafjordanP: thanks for looking into that17:38
andreafI think we should move on17:38
andreaf#topic Pike Goals17:39
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andreafso I looked into the Pike goals17:39
andreaffor py35 #link
andreafthere are py35 unit tests missing on stackviz and little more17:40
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andreafsome python 3.5 to be setup in setup.cfg17:40
andreafI could not get a clear statement yet about integration tests in test projects17:41
andreafbut I guess it would be good to have them as well17:41
andreafso patrole has non-voting dsvm jobs - but they are not py3517:41
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andreafblancos: I guess that would be something for you ^^^17:42
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oomichiandreaf: as the first, we need to enable py35 for unittests, right?17:42
andreafbut I think overall it's not worth setting up a spec, I planned to have a gerrit topic or so17:42
oomichi#link seems to require us to do it17:43
andreafyes we have that everywhere but stackviz17:43
andreafoomichi: have a look at the etherpad17:43
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andreafoomichi: I checked every single project in the QA group today17:44
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oomichiandreaf: cool, thanks17:44
andreaffor wsgi #link
andreafI already put up the goverance patch #link
andreaffor wsgi basically is no-op17:45
andreafthe only thing more or less related would be openstack heath api17:45
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andreafbut that runs as wsgi app in openstack infra already17:46
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andreaf#topic Spec reviews17:46
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andreafspec reviews #link,n,z17:46
andreafis there anything on spec reviews?17:46
andreafI did not have a chance yet to look at destructive testing spec17:46
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andreaf#topic Tempest17:47
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andreafany update on bugs?17:48
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oomichithis week is jwhite17:48
andreafand we need more candidates for upcoming weeks17:49
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andreafok if there's nothing urgent on Tempest let's move on17:51
andreaf#topic Patrole17:51
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andreafblancos: anything on patrole?17:51
blancosI had a question about the number of gates17:51
blancosIs there a limit? We were planning on adding one, possibly two more17:52
felipemonteiro_We'll change our gates to py35, but right now we're trying to achieve is almost there, the other we're debugging17:52
andreafblancos: there's no formal limit17:52
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andreafblancos: more gates means more contention on test resources but usually it's not an issue unless you have a really high number17:53
andreafbut I would not worry about adding an extra integration job if it's needed17:53
jordanPand more false negative17:53
clarkbI think most projects end up causing problems for themselves with a bunch of jobs that don't pass reliably before they cause problems for the collective by using too many resources17:53
clarkbjordanP: ya that17:53
jordanPdepends on your job stability17:54
blancosOkay, thank you. I think that's about it for Patrole.17:54
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andreaffelipemonteiro_: thanks I look forward to stable dsvm jobs there17:54
andreafsince time is short I will skip to reviews17:55
andreaf#topic Critical Reviews17:55
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andreafany critical review?17:55
andreafsounds like not?17:56
jordanPnot critical but just wanted to "share"17:56
andreafInteresting review: #link
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andreafAlso review about memory footprint: #link
andreafjordanP thanks good to know :)17:57
andreaf#topic Open discussion17:58
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clarkbjordanP: we can also tune the number of workers in apache itself (which affects memory too17:58
clarkbtls proxy did that unnecessarily in fact, I can push a revert up17:58
jordanPit's worth a try, yes17:58
andreafclarkb: I wonder if not running TLS in every job might help?17:59
clarkbandreaf: we don't run tls in every job17:59
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clarkbonly the "base" jobs and I think its more specialty jobs that OOM17:59
andreafheh ok17:59
andreafok we're at time18:00
andreaf#endmeeting QA18:00
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clarkbwe could also potentially switch to haproxy for tls termination18:00
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clarkbI think it is way more lightweight18:00
andreafthanks everyone!18:00
clarkb(we used apache because it was already there)18:00
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dtroyer#startmeeting openstackclient19:03
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 16 19:03:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at
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dtroyerWho is here for an OSC meeting?19:03
rabeli am :)19:03
rabelbut more or less as a listener, since i just started contributing lately19:04
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dtroyerwelcome rabel, glad to have you here, both meeting-wise and with the project19:04
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rabelthanks :)19:05
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dtroyerThis may be short, I don't expect stevemar to be here much anymore, but he is still hitting reviews it seems19:06
dtroyerThese meetings are fairly free-form since there isn't usually a lot of folks here19:07
dtroyerSo I'll drop a couple of status things here for the logs then we'll see if anything else comes up19:07
dtroyer#topic releases19:07
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ankur-gupta-f4welcome rabel19:08
dtroyerWe released 3.9.0 last week to release fixes for the SDK 0.9.14 release that made some API changes to network19:08
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ankur-gupta-f4any known priority bugs?19:08
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dtroyerit was also the first rlease after the freeze so a lot of stuff had accumilated anyway19:08
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dtroyerankur-gupta-f1: do you mean outstanding or part of the release?19:09
ankur-gupta-f4from release19:09
* dtroyer glances through the release notes19:09
dtroyerthe major ones are the fixes for the network session changes, that's what triggered the sudden quick release19:10
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ankur-gupta-f4the v1 image tests got fixed but still seeing scattered functional failures. Wondering if its due to known issue or just race conditions. Haven't gotten chance to dig in yet19:10
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dtroyerI'll get to that in a minute19:10
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stevemardtroyer: i randomly have a gap in my calendar, i'll tune in :)19:13
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dtroyerI would like to get through some of the long-running command additions soon and cut 3.10.0 and try to get caught up.  Then there is a series of things around changes to os-client-config and auth and argument handling coming up19:14
dtroyerIt is quite possible that those will trigger 4.0 as I expect some of the details of how options are parsed may change and we'll need to signal a compaibility change19:15
ankur-gupta-f4dtroyer: probably the best candidate to fit that category is this patch .19:15
dtroyerWhen we start that, I am planning to do a feature branch for the 4.0 work so we don't block so long on bug fixes while waiting for that to complete19:15
ankur-gupta-f4is there a spec/bp in place that discusses the potential changes to option parsing19:16
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dtroyerno, it's all in my, mordred and jamielennox's heads still.  Jamie has started with the simplification of occ and a chunk of that needs to get completed first anyway.19:16
ankur-gupta-f4hah okay19:17
ankur-gupta-f4will keep eye out19:17
dtroyermy intention is to not change anything, but at some point we need to get rid of some old behaviour that is causing us pain and to be different than other tools using occ (shade, etc)19:17
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dtroyeranother high-priority thing is to get the microversion handling sorted out for compute and volume19:18
dtroyerthose are the high-level plans that are not "implement more missing commands"19:19
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dtroyeroh, forgot one, needing to build the hooks for plugins to add to common commands like quotas19:19
dtroyerthere are some other implications there too that may be best timed for 4.019:20
dtroyerany questions so far?19:20
rabelis "implement more missing commands" the kind of task that is also suitable new at osc development? like me?19:20
ankur-gupta-f4do we want to do micro versions this release or wait for next. thinking of the resources needed to get both occ and micro version support done for Pike19:21
rabeli wanted to say "...for someone new..."19:21
dtroyerthat is the category that things like the remaining network commands and volume v3 fall in to, those will always be around to some degree and always on the roadmap19:21
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dtroyerthe microversion handling is more connected to the plumbing insetting up compute and volume clients properly than to getting the options from the user (we already have that)19:22
dtroyerand also to building the bits we need for branching inside command classes to handle multple versions19:23
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dtroyer#topic reviews19:25
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ankur-gupta-f4Flavor Profile:
dtroyerThe current state of the queue is back to operational thanks to frickler and RuiChen and whomever else caught my failed attempt to restore image v1 to our devstack19:26
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dtroyerFWIW, the last change frickler submitted should also fix the volume backing file size that I believe is the root cause of our volume failures19:26
dtroyerThat seems random because the order and parallelism in running the tests is non-deterministic, and when enough volume tests run at the same time we run out of volume space19:27
ankur-gupta-f4will keep eye on gate19:27
ankur-gupta-f4FIP/Port :
dtroyerso once merges we should see a drop in the volume failures19:27
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rabelthats nice!19:28
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dtroyerankur-gupta-f1: we need to wrap up both of those soon, they have gone on a long time19:30
ankur-gupta-f4We can push the 2 agent commands later. but Flavor and the FIP should be top of the networking commands list19:31
dtroyerI just glanced at today's comments on 383025, need to address command formats again19:31
sindhudtroyer:  for reviews:   ,  as well19:32
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ankur-gupta-f4sindhu: address Rui Chens comments on 382023 first please19:33
sindhuankur-gupta-f4: I need dtroyer's comment on that. Whether it is needed or not19:33
dtroyerwhich comment?  the 'do we need a show command' one?19:34
sindhudtroyer: yes19:35
dtroyerI don't have a problem with having a show command even if we can get all of the fields via list19:35
dtroyerbecause with list you either need to hand the filters on the command to get just one, or you need to filter it yousrlf (as a user)19:35
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dtroyerthis happens with other resources where —long shows everything19:36
sindhudtroyer: ok great. I will address the rest of the comments today and keep it review ready :)19:36
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ankur-gupta-f4stevemar: will you get a chance to do some reviews as well today?19:37
dtroyerI need to refresh on this overall though, and to make sure that it isn't too network-centric where command changes will be required to add other APIs19:37
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dtroyeralso, I consider bulk changes like the six.iteritems() reviews to be low priority as they are mostly cosmetic and could possible conflict with a large number of other reviews in flight19:40
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dtroyerI just took a quick look at the agent review (, is there still outstanding questions on that regarding the command formats?19:41
ankur-gupta-f4I don't think so. Pretty much resolved19:42
dtroyerany other reviews that we need to discuss?19:43
ankur-gupta-f4let me check my list19:43
ankur-gupta-f4My top items were Flavor Profile, FIP/Port, Quota List, the 2 agent commands.19:44
ankur-gupta-f4quota show once those comments are resolved.19:44
ankur-gupta-f4been keeping an eye on the v3 volume as it comes in19:45
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dtroyervolume v3 is special, in that we lat it point to the v2 commands rather than copy them.19:46
dtroyerwe MUST not let any v3 changes in to the v2 tree, those classes need to be copied as changes are made19:46
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dtroyerhaving to remember that is one reason I've insisted prior to this to just copy the entire tree :)19:47
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ankur-gupta-f4correct just changing the env api-version19:47
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ankur-gupta-f4first time i saw
ankur-gupta-f4i was like ... why....19:48
dtroyerso that will force the tests top be copied to actually work, as they will need to use the right superclass19:49
dtroyerso yeah, that chould just copy the v2 file to /v3 and go from there19:49
dtroyerATM that is totally unused, and mostly harmless19:49
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dtroyerreally, that should be the first thing we do, is copy all of the unit and functional tests before copying any code19:50
dtroyerwe're under 10 minutes left, so …19:51
dtroyer#topic open discussion19:51
ankur-gupta-f4Well thats all i got. Gotta quickly eat before next meeting in 10. If you remember the plugin client that is implemented just as plugin it would be really helpful otherwise will reference the cookie cutter. Thanks dtroyer:19:51
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dtroyerwhat else is on your minds?19:51
ankur-gupta-f4rabel: welcome to the team.19:52
rabelthanks ankur-gupta-f4. good to be here!19:52
dtroyerankur-gupta-f1: the osc-debug repo is exactly that, or am I misunderstanding you?19:52
ankur-gupta-f4rabel: feel free to add me to any reviews.19:53
ankur-gupta-f4dtroyer: oh yea. thats good enough.19:53
dtroyergood deal19:53
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rabelankur-gupta-f4: thank you. i'll probably do that ;)19:54
ankur-gupta-f4rabel: don't fear the -1. embrace it :P19:54
dtroyeron a client-related note I've been chasing some issues in cliff's stable gates…19:54
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* dhellmann perks up his ears19:54
dtroyerwe got into a bind with a combination of events that are requiring multiple things in a single review to unblock19:55
dtroyerdhellmann: yeah, I was about to ask you about those, two are the appdirs problem that I thought I knew how to unblock19:55
dhellmannwhich ones?19:55
dtroyerclearly I'm not getting something right19:55
dtroyermy current attempts:  newton
dtroyermitaka is passed but hung up in merge, I need to poke in -infra on that one I think19:56
dtroyerunless it needs the other two to pass too for some reason I don't see19:56
dhellmannoh, I removed my workflow bit because I thought we would want the changes in the newer branches to merge first19:56
dtroyerok, np19:57
dhellmannonly because I thought that was policy19:57
dhellmannI'll poke at the other 2 patches this afternoon for a bit19:57
dtroyerit probably is, I ended up poking at all three to see if they all had the same problems19:57
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dtroyerthey didn't19:57
dhellmannok, I'll start with ocata then19:57
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dtroyerTwo minutes… anything else?19:58
dtroyerso let's call it a meeting a minute early19:59
dtroyerthanks everyone!19:59
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dtroyerheh, turned out to only be a second early :)20:00
rabelthank you and cu20:00
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mriedem#startmeeting nova21:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 16 21:00:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:00
efriedDST is stupid.21:01
* efried was really confused in the novaclient meeting an hour ago21:01
mriedemefried: there is a novaclient meeting?21:02
efriedopenstackclient, mebbe21:02
mriedemok so let's get started21:02
mriedem#link agenda
mriedem#topic release news21:03
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mriedem#link Pike release schedule:
mriedem#info Blueprints: 58 targeted, 30 approved21:03
mriedem#info Open spec reviews: 11621:03
mriedem^ as of yesterday21:03
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mriedem#info Reminder that spec freeze is on the p-1 milestone which is April 13th21:03
mriedem#topic Bugs (stuck/critical)21:04
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mriedemno critical bugs21:04
mriedem#link - Instances are not rescheduled after deploy fails21:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1671648 in OpenStack Compute (nova) ocata "Instances are not rescheduled after deploy fails" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem)21:04
mriedemthat was a notable mention, the fix is in the gate for master,21:05
mriedemi've begun backporting to ocata21:05
mriedem"backport proceedings"21:05
mriedem#link check queue gate status
mriedemgate is same old21:05
mriedemdansmith: ever hear if jbernard made progress on the ceph job?21:05
dansmithmriedem: no, actually21:05
dansmithI should ask him21:06
mriedemare you waring your kicking boots?21:06
melwittI checked for open reviews from him recently and didn't see anything21:06
mriedem#action follow up with jbernard about the ceph job21:06
mriedemfor 3rd party ci, there isn't much news,21:06
mriedemexcept my thread on the ML about the vmware ci21:06
mriedemor lack thereof21:07
mriedemdoesn't appear we have any vmware people in the meeting21:07
mriedemwhich isn't surprising21:07
mriedemmoving on21:07
mriedem#topic reminders21:07
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mriedem#link Pike Review Priorities etherpad:
mriedemlet's keep that up to date21:08
mriedem#link Forum planning:
mriedem#info EOD April 2: deadline for Forum topic submission21:08
mriedemi haven't even looked at the topics yet21:08
mriedemi've requested an onboarding room slot for nova21:08
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mriedemi have at least one person interested in running that21:08
mriedemname rhymes with hague21:09
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mriedem#link Forum discussion planning for nova (add your name if you are going)21:09
mriedemif you didn't see my ML thread, please put your name at the bottom of ^ if you think you'll be at the summit21:09
mriedemdansmith: i see you didn't get the message :)21:10
dansmithI also put a call out in the MIL one for cells,21:10
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dansmithlooking for people from the ops summit to specifically bring outcomes and questions to forum21:10
mriedemoh the ops meetup21:10
mriedemi should track that etherpad down, no idea if they even talked about cells v221:10
dansmithyeah they had one, just got filled out in the last couple days,21:11
bauzasthey did21:11
bauzasI have a source :p21:11
dansmithmostly just looking for feedback on who is interested or paying attention21:11
mriedembesides dpt21:11
mriedem#topic Stable branch status:
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mriedem#info Ocata 15.0.1 is released.21:11
bauzasso the main issue they encountered is they tried to understand our features without really having lots of people knowing it21:11
bauzas(that's my source who told that)21:12
mriedembauzas: so let me get this straight,21:12
mriedemthey are all up in our kool aid,21:12
mriedemwithout even knowing the flavor?21:12
mriedemmoving on21:12
mriedemand mitaka is basically eol21:13
lyarwoodmriedem: any plans for the final stable/mitaka release?21:13
mriedemlyarwood: that happens when the actual eol happens21:13
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lyarwoodmriedem: ah nice21:13
mriedemwhich is 2017-04-1021:13
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mriedemso let's hope for now whammies21:14
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mriedem#topic subteam highlights21:14
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mriedemdansmith: cellsv221:14
dansmithwe mostly just talked about the current efforts, my patch series to get multiple cells working,21:14
* edleafe gets scheduler notes prepared21:14
dansmithas well as melwitt's for quota21:14
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dansmithand talked about some of the regression bugs that have come up and mostly been squashed recently21:15
dansmithI believe that is all21:15
mriedemi also saw you made changes to the counting quotas stuff last night to make it smaller patches21:15
dansmithoh, yeah21:15
mriedembut i haven't looked21:15
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dansmithwell, I took a thing that was working and made it not work, but in smaller pieces21:15
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dansmithbut I think it's the right way to go21:15
mriedemheh, ok21:15
melwitthaha, that's a funny way to put it21:16
mriedemmelwitt will piece it back together i'm sure21:16
mriedemok, edleafe - scheduler21:16
edleafeTraits series looks close - just a few issues left21:16
edleafeIronic Inventory patch discussed - has since merged (yay!)21:16
edleafeStarting to work on functional test coverage for placement - looking for input there21:16
edleafeDiscussed the general thoughts on separating placement into its own repo. Generally in favor of sooner than later, with Queens being the working target to tackle this.21:16
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mriedemi don't think there was a live migration meeting this week since tdurakov was sick21:17
mriedemso onto api21:17
mriedemalex_xu left some notes:21:17
mriedemThe spec for policy docs merged
mriedemThe spec for removing scope check need wider feedback
mriedemDiscuss the spec show scheduler_hints in the response, found two problems:21:18
mriedemThere is no quota/limit in the request of scheduler_hints, this should be fixed as a bug21:18
mriedemNeed more strong use-case for this proposal21:18
mriedemand finally,21:18
mriedemA PoC come up for removing the stevedore from the nova API to reach the final goal of no extension, people think this is specless BP and can be done in Pike.21:18
mriedemwe could just rename and reuse under that21:19
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mriedemno sriov/pci people around21:19
mriedemnotification updates21:20
mriedem1. BDM in InstancePayload proposal is discussed both on the meeting and on the ML. Implementation is ongoing.21:20
mriedem2. Searchlight team will provide the list of notifications need to be  transformed to the versioned format to be able to switch to consuming  versioned notifications in Searchlight.21:20
mriedemi guess once we get that list from searchlight, we have our priority list for versioned notifications,21:20
mriedemwhich would be nice21:20
mriedemefried: powervm, go21:20
efried (bottom-most change set) refreshed per mriedem review.  Changes nontrivial, so it's going to take me a while to rebase the rest on top.  Meanwhile, encourage others to review this 'un.21:20
efriedThat's about all I have.21:21
mriedemok so i can look at the first change again now?21:21
efriedYes please.21:21
mriedemyou took out the swear words?21:21
efriedNo, those are still there.21:21
efriedIncluding "Swamp Thing".21:21
mriedemmmm adrien barbeau21:22
mriedemok nova/cinder: still working on same things as last week (bdm.attachment_id, support  for cinder v3, and the John's spec for the new cinder APIs)21:22
mriedemi've got +2s on lyarwood's attachment_id changes to the bdm model21:22
mriedemjgriffith is working on making nova know which microversion is available in cinder21:22
mriedemand we still need more reviews on johnthetubaguy's spec21:22
mriedem#link cinder v3 attach spec
mriedemi haven't gone through it again myself since the ptg, so need to sit down and do that sometime, but mdbooth and lyarwood have been picking it over21:23
* efried will do his usual thing, pointing out typos without actually understanding content.21:23
mriedembut at some point, we'll just need to get off that pot21:23
mriedemor shit, i don't know which21:24
mriedem#topic stuck reviews21:24
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mriedemnothing on the agenda, anyone have anything here?21:24
mriedemstuck != no attention21:24
mriedemmoving on21:24
mriedem#topic open discussion21:24
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mriedemlogan isn't here to discuss
mriedemi feel like i told them to talk to cfriesen and/or cburgess about that one21:25
cburgessDo what now?21:25
mriedemi feel like i've heard opsy types talking about already having that support out of tree21:25
mriedemcburgess: ^ the lvm thin pool bp21:26
cburgessOh that... yeah cfriesen and I discussed that at the PTG. I don't have out of tree code but I think he said he did or knew someone who did.21:26
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cburgessIts a good idea. We need it.21:26
mriedemcfriesen has all of the out of tree code21:26
mriedemwhich is why he shows up asking "is this supposed to happen?"21:26
mriedemok i see -1s on the actual code patch21:26
lyarwoodasking for a spec iirc21:27
cburgessmriedem Did you want me to review it and provide feedback?21:27
mriedemok, i see mdbooth, lyarwood and cfriesen on review21:27
mriedemcburgess: sure21:27
cburgessmriedem Added to my list.21:27
mriedemfrom what i'm reading at the end, logan is ops and busy, but agrees a spec would be good21:27
mriedemso i'll wait for that21:27
mriedem#action mriedem to leave a note in about needing a spec21:28
mriedemthat was discussed a bit last week,21:28
mriedemedleafe: can i delegate that to the api subteam to decide?21:28
mriedemand you follow up with it in their weekly meeting?21:29
edleafesure thing21:29
mriedemor just talk to sdague and alex_xu21:29
mriedemlast but sort of least, dtp:
mriedemdtp: did you want to say anything about that one?21:30
dtpFor your consideration, this is a config option to have nova write static network config even when DHCP is enabled, for the purpose of fallback, and initial PXE boot for ironic.21:30
mriedemjroll: could you take a look at ^ ?21:30
mriedemthis one is over my head21:30
mriedemor dansmith et al21:31
dansmithjroll gets a dedicated shout, but I am lumped in with "et al" eh?21:31
mriedemthe change itself is relatively small21:31
mriedemdansmith: yes21:31
mriedemjroll is still considered a guest21:31
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mriedemok so i guess we'll just talk about that later21:33
mriedemanyone else have anything they wanted to discuss?21:33
dansmithI'll look21:33
dansmithI mean, me and everyone else will look21:33
mriedemi'm assuming johnthetubaguy has input too21:33
mriedemhell, he'll probably sign up to own it21:33
mriedemok, that's it, thanks everyone21:33
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ihrachysahoj I meant :)22:01
ihrachysthat meeting becomes very late22:02
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kevinbenton#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:02
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ihrachysit's 3pm outside, and I am still working. disgusting.22:02
kevinbentonihrachys: we'll try to be quick :)22:02
ihrachyskevinbenton: maybe moving it for earlier?22:02
armaxihrachys: ah! I knew it22:03
kevinbentonihrachys: yes, this timeslot was mainly for amotoki22:03
ihrachysamotoki is no longer?22:03
kevinbentonihrachys: we can maybe go to early morning for him22:03
kevinbentonihrachys: he's still around. i was just saying we can't just go earlier in the day without going much earlier22:03
kevinbentonihrachys: otherwise he definitely won't make it22:03
kevinbentonarmax: are you able to make an early morning meeting?22:04
kevinbentonarmax: on thursdays?22:04
armaxkevinbenton: depends how early22:04
ihrachysI am up from 8am so you consider22:04
ihrachysfrom 6am sorry22:04
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armaxihrachys: get out of town22:05
ihrachyssee? I can't make sense that late22:05
armaxmy calendar is a mess right now22:05
armaxbut generally after 9 is best for me22:05
kevinbentonlet me reach out to akihiro to see what times work for him22:05
kevinbenton9 might be a bit too late22:05
kevinbenton#action kevinbenton to reschedule drivers meeting22:05
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kevinbentonany announcements before we dig into RFEs?22:06
armaxkevinbenton: you’re the announcer, no?22:06
kevinbentonarmax: i meant from you or ihrachys or anyone else22:06
kevinbentoni don't have anything22:06
armaxOK, I am working on the Pike stadium assessment, bear with me while I put something together22:07
kevinbentonlink should be
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1476527 in neutron "[RFE] Add common classifier resource" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Igor Duarte Cardoso (igordcard)22:09
kevinbentonarmax: do you know the state of that one?22:09
kevinbentonarmax: it's still being done in a separate repo, no?22:09
armaxit’s largely autonomous22:09
ihrachysgoing from top? flow classifier, should we approve that and follow up on spec that is already proposed?22:09
ihrachysigordcard checked with me on ptg, he is actively working22:09
kevinbentonyeah, i'm for moving to approved22:10
kevinbentonwe have someone working on it22:10
kevinbentonand a way for it to be done non-disruptively22:10
ihrachyselaborate on that22:10
ihrachysthey have their own repo22:10
kevinbentonihrachys: well it's being built in a separate repo22:10
kevinbentonihrachys: it's not going to break a bunch of stuff as they implement it is what i mean22:10
ihrachysyeah, I think we should just review the design of the API and otherwise go out of their way22:11
ihrachysif they deliver what they will write up, good22:11
kevinbentonarmax: any objections ?22:11
ihrachyswhich may mean we should give them some freedom in terms of reviews and permissions for the repo22:12
ihrachysso that they can make progress22:12
ihrachysofc after spec agrement22:12
kevinbentonihrachys: sounds good22:12
kevinbentonihrachys: want to change the state?22:12
armaxihrachys: which repo?22:13
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ihrachysarmax: neutron-classifier22:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1583096 in neutron "[RFE] ml2 supported extensions list is inaccurate" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:14
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armaxihrachys: they already have full access, don’t they?22:14
kevinbentonthe comment at the end of this bug is a link to the same bug22:14
kevinbentonarmax: were you trying to crash human parsers?22:15
ihrachysarmax: could be, need to check. maybe igordcard doesn't22:15
ihrachysI assumed it's Sean Collins and mostly that's it22:15
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armaxihrachys: ack22:15
* armax checks22:15
armaxwe need to open up the circle22:16
armaxkevinbenton: yes22:16
armaxmy bad22:16
armaxI am doing lots of unforced errors lately22:16
armaxjust like a bad tennis match22:17
ihrachyskevinbenton: re that ml2 bug, I think we had something specific for qos for that matter22:17
* ihrachys looks22:17
kevinbentoni think we should just roll into the work being done for
openstackLaunchpad bug 1583096 in neutron "[RFE] ml2 supported extensions list is inaccurate" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1673142 in neutron "[RFE][ML2] Enforce extension semantics" [Wishlist,Confirmed]22:17
kevinbentonthe latter RFE is the work we discussed last week22:17
kevinbentonso i'm going to mark 1583096 as dup of the newer one since that's the proposal I would like to see22:18
ihrachysI talk about
ihrachysactually seems like it's quite generic22:19
armaxmakes snese22:19
ihrachys+ on dup22:19
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1628627 in neutron "In FWaaS, when someone makes a change to a firewall rule we know, Who, What, When, and Where" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:20
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armaxas for that one, if we don’t have anyone working on the fwaas team22:21
armaxmight as well put it on the backburner22:21
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kevinbentondo we need an implementor before approving it?22:22
kevinbentonif someone is looking to get into fwaas this might be a good feature to start with22:22
ihrachysI would think yes, otherwise we fre-postponed?22:22
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ihrachyswould make sense to reach them to see if they are interested22:23
kevinbentoni will leave a comment22:23
ihrachysat this point I would expect fwaas team to focus on stabilizing/completing what they already have22:23
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1630832 in neutron "[RFE] FWaaS: Using Netlink instead of conntrack-tools to improve performance" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:24
kevinbentonI think we can switch this one to approved22:24
kevinbentonit needs some code cleanups that are being worked on22:24
armaxdo you know who is going to work on i?22:24
kevinbentonbut there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the idea22:25
kevinbentonyeah, Ha Van Tu is working on it22:25
kevinbentonpatches already went in once22:25
kevinbentonwe reverted because they had some stability issues22:25
armaxI see22:25
kevinbentonand Cedric has been helping out stabalize it22:25
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kevinbentonany issues with me marking it as approved?22:26
kevinbentonarmax: what is the state machine for approved?22:27
ihrachysnot even sure why it's RFE :)22:27
kevinbentonarmax: remove rfe tag and add rfe-approved?22:27
kevinbentonarmax: set to confirmed?22:27
kevinbentonarmax: sacrifice a goat?22:27
armaxI’ll create a BP for it22:27
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kevinbentonihrachys: i can't read :'(22:28
ihrachys #sad22:28
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armaxthis is basically just using privsep though right?22:29
kevinbentonbased on that we do remove the 'rfe' tag and add 'rfe-approved' right?22:29
kevinbentonarmax: well it requires privsep22:29
armaxif there are no API or architectural changes22:29
kevinbentonyeah, nothing visible to the user22:29
armaxwe might as well treat it as a regular bug22:29
ihrachyskevinbenton: yes, though I + the question from armax, not sure why the team cannot make the judgement themselves.22:29
kevinbentonit's replacing shelling out to conntrack22:29
armaxwith no BP involved22:30
kevinbentonwith netlink calls22:30
armaxI guess this was made RFE to err on the side of caution22:30
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kevinbentonyeah, it's a relatively large chunk of code22:30
armaxbut if there’s nothing user facing, with minimal deployment impact22:30
armaxmight as well be treated as a regular bug fix22:30
kevinbentonso it's somewhat invasive and needs effort to merge22:30
dasmhow this rfe is different from ongoing efforts?
kevinbentondasm: this depends on privsep22:30
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kevinbentondasm: it's a particular privileged operation that will execute in a privsep context22:31
armaxI’d say let’s track it as any other bug22:31
dasmisn't this similar to this?
openstackLaunchpad bug 1492714 in neutron "RFE: Pure Python driven Linux network configuration" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Omer Anson (omer-anson)22:31
kevinbentondasm: that's another thing that would depend on privsep22:32
armaxdasm: true, but that was more open ended22:32
kevinbentondasm: using pyroute2 library22:32
kevinbentondasm: this is particularly for conntrack calls22:32
kevinbentonit's not particularily trivial22:32
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armaxbtw does anyone now what is left for closing bug 1492714?22:33
openstackbug 1492714 in neutron "RFE: Pure Python driven Linux network configuration" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Omer Anson (omer-anson)22:33
kevinbentoni think it needs to be implemented :)22:33
ihrachysarmax: I think it's pretty much everything22:33
ihrachyswe converted a single function22:33
ihrachysthat is not even used in production code22:33
ihrachystests only22:33
armaxoh boy22:33
dasmarmax: Brian Haley started doing that. this one was first attempt,  but got abandoned:
kevinbentonyeah, we have the scaffolding in place now so-to-speak22:34
kevinbentonwe just need to start switching to pyroute2 calls22:34
ihrachyskevinbenton: I think there is agreement it's fine to give conntrack thingy a go, so let's approve, bug or RFE and let them move on22:34
armaxaye aye22:34
kevinbentonihrachys: yep. armax approved22:34
openstackLaunchpad bug 1630981 in neutron "[rfe] Implement l2pop driver functionality in l2 agent" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:34
kevinbentonI would like to see this go in22:34
kevinbentonI can help with vxlan termination info going into binding22:35
kevinbentonAnil had started on working on mac address lookups from port info on the agent side22:35
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kevinbentononce we are referencing the port OVO for mac addresses and tunnel endpoints, l2pop can be shut off22:36
ihrachys+ let's do it. a separate driver didn't make much sense ever.22:36
ihrachysand we have someone poking it22:36
armaxkevinbenton: question22:36
kevinbentonalso one of the most important performance impacts is the stupid state machine the agent puts the ports through when it restarts to trigger the l2pop code22:36
armaxcan the new solution and the l2pop driver coexist?22:37
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kevinbentonarmax: yes22:37
ihrachysarmax: for what? external consumers for RPC?22:37
kevinbentonarmax: it will need to for backward compat between agent types at a minimum22:37
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armaxI mean, can deployments still keep l2pop on the list of mech drivers?22:38
kevinbentonarmax: yes22:38
armaxOK, I think this needs a spec22:38
ihrachysarmax: keeping it a shallow no-op, or actually notifying?22:38
ihrachys+ for the spec and we can proceed discussion there22:39
armaxto capture some of the challenges that required to get this implemented22:39
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armaxI am in favor of nuking l2pop22:39
armaxbut I do know that we need to figure out a graceful way to do it22:39
armaxout of tree projects may rely on it22:39
kevinbentonarmax: i don't intend on touching the driver22:40
kevinbentonarmax: but we should deprecate and remove it22:40
kevinbentonarmax: at some point22:40
armaxI understand22:40
ihrachysor allow to move it somewhere outside if there are interested parties22:40
armaxI wonder if the two will clash together if used in teh context of the same deployment22:40
armaxbut we can discuss this on the spec22:40
kevinbentonarmax: no, new agents will ignore l2pop messages22:41
kevinbentonmark that it needs a spec22:41
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armaxkevinbenton: right, that’s assumed you did the work correctly ;)22:41
armaxkevinbenton: aye sir22:41
kevinbentonarmax: discussing bugs isnt' really what a spec is for :)22:41
armaxyou’d be surprised22:42
kevinbentoni think the difficult part is actually going to be the DB migration22:42
armaxhow many feature requests are disguised as bug reports22:42
kevinbentonihrachys: i will probably need your help figuring out a way to deal with that22:42
kevinbentonihrachys: new servers may need to dynamically calculated the null column before returning data22:43
armax#action armax to approve rfe 163098122:43
kevinbentonihrachys: so a getter would have a setter22:43
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kevinbentonor always dynamically calculate until a switchover is performed22:43
kevinbentonwe'll discuss on spec22:44
armaxand a setter would have a getter?22:44
openstackLaunchpad bug 1632877 in neutron "[RFE] Limits and Counts for SecGroup and FIPs" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Prince Nana Owusu Boateng (nanaboat)22:44
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kevinbentonthere is a patch up for this22:45
armaxif we mirror this just as the effort for IP capacity22:45
kevinbentoni don't have a link handy, but it seems reasonable22:45
armaxkevinbenton: find it!22:45
kevinbentonarmax: it's not even that complicated22:45
ihrachyskevinbenton: would be nice to see it in LP22:45
armaxkevinbenton: agreed22:45
ihrachyskevinbenton: that's a separate API?22:45
kevinbentonit's just to ask for things that the quota engine arleady knows22:46
kevinbentonpart of quota api22:46
armaxOK, I’ll process this once you give me the patch #22:46
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kevinbentonprovide patch feedback22:47
bzhao_ /22:47
kevinbentonthis doesn't have to do with the rfe though :)22:47
armaxI’ll get this straigthen out22:47
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ihrachysso + on the RFE?22:48
armaxyes, we need an approver though22:48
kevinbentoni can be approver for that22:49
armaxthis is going to be a BP22:49
asingh_  this is the neutron spec for above patch22:49
armaxkevinbenton: do you know what you’re doing22:49
armaxasingh_: thanks!22:49
armaxkevinbenton: good22:49
armaxlet’s move on22:50
openstackLaunchpad bug 1633280 in neutron "[RFE]need a way to disable anti-spoofing rules and yet keep security groups" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:50
armaxoh that22:50
armaxEven though I can see how this can be implemented22:51
armaxI don’t fully understand the use case presented22:51
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kevinbentonwouldn't allowed address pairs work?22:52
kevinbentonjust allow
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kevinbentonlet's revisit that one next week when they respond22:53
armaxkevinbenton: ok22:53
openstackLaunchpad bug 1639566 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for local SNAT" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:53
kevinbentonI would like to see something done here22:54
armaxI don't22:54
ihrachysI have no opinion since first time I see it22:54
armaxthis will crash and burn and we have no luxury to throw resources at the problem IMO22:54
kevinbentonihrachys: essentially parity with nova network22:54
kevinbentonihrachys: direct routing for snat as well22:55
ihrachysdistributed dvr_snat?22:55
armaxihrachys: correct22:55
armaxwe kissed this goodbye when we went down the path of DVR+HA22:55
armaxfor SNAT22:55
kevinbentonnot really22:56
kevinbentonthey aren't related22:56
armaxI see no reason on working on this now22:56
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armaxafter all the many years we talked about this very topic22:56
kevinbentondo you know why people keep asking for it?22:56
armaxthat’s not the point22:57
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armaxjust because people ask, you don’t just do22:57
armaxpeople can be educated in doing the right thing :)22:58
kevinbentonit sounds to me like the reason we're not doing it is because of existing technical debt22:58
armaxthat’s not it22:58
armaxI think is emblematic22:58
armaxand it was initiatd in 201422:58
ihrachysl3 solution already has a lot of moving parts and deployment options that we ourselves struggle to maintain (consider gate state for all those multinode tempest jobs), so I see why armax is concerned.22:59
kevinbentonright, so tech debt22:59
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armaxof all the technical solutions proposed22:59
armaxthat one was not identified, time and time again, as the best compromise22:59
armaxso I don’t understand why we keep coming back to it23:00
armaxto me the case is closed, frankly23:00
kevinbentonbecause all of the other solutions don't solve a problem23:00
armaxwe’re at time23:00
kevinbentonand that is no centralized routing for SNAT23:00
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armaxand we’ll never reach consensus23:00
armaxpersonally I am a reject for that one23:01
kevinbentonarmax: if you provide a clear reason, that would be fine23:01
kevinbentonso far it seems like we're avoiding it because of complexity23:01
armaxI just did23:01
kevinbentonif that's it, that's fine as well23:01
armaxwhat else do you need/23:02
kevinbentonarmax: there is no solution to eliminate centralized SNAT23:02
kevinbentonarmax: the 'compromises' above just skipped that problem23:03
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armaxdistributing SNAT will lead to IP burn23:03
armaxif the solution is unasuble, what’s point in implementing it?23:03
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armaxthe SNAT HA solution eliminates the centralized SNAT issue23:04
armaxas there’s redundancy and load sharing23:05
kevinbentonarmax: a network with 50 VMs will always bottleneck even in ha case23:05
kevinbentonarmax: and burning IPs isn't a problem in many private clouds23:05
armaxif those 50 VMs land on the same host you or two you have the same problem :)23:06
armaxI suppose the bug author said he has code for it23:07
armaxwe can ask him to propose a diff against Pike and assess the damage23:07
kevinbentonarmax: that's fine. When the bottleneck of traffic is the host the VMs are on, that's ideal usage23:07
armaxif there’s any23:07
kevinbentonarmax: I would like to at least evaluate it23:08
armaxwhat about applying traffic policies consistently?23:08
kevinbentonarmax: what does that mean?23:08
armaxlike VPN or FW, services that typically are applied centrally23:09
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armax’s no harm in asking the submitter to propose the code against piek23:10
armaxbut if it’s poorly written and badly tested23:10
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armaxthen who is going to put the effort in putting it in the right shape?23:10
kevinbentonSo it's just like every other feature then23:11
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armaxwhat do you mean?23:12
armaxflexibility is great23:12
armaxI don’t disagree, but generally that comes at a cost23:12
kevinbentonarmax: we evaluate each features implementation23:13
kevinbentonIf it sucks, we don't merge if it's going to destabilize existing stuff23:13
armaxtrue, in this case the submitter might have already done the work23:14
armaxnot sure how willing he is to forward-port with no promise of inclusion23:14
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armaxespecially taken into consideration the history of rejections23:15
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armaxkevinbenton: please, feel free to update the bug report and see what happens23:15
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kevinbentonarmax: is that a threat? :)23:29
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