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gongysh#startmeeting tacker05:30
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 15 05:30:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.05:30
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)"05:30
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tacker'05:30
gongysh#topic roll call05:30
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tung_doanhi all05:30
gongyshwho are you guys are here for tacker meeting?05:30
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gongyshdkushwaha, hi05:31
dkushwahagongysh, hello05:31
gongyshJimmyYe2528, YanXing_an , tung_doan , jeremy_chang , dkushwaha welcome to tacker meeting05:31
YanXing_anwelcome, jeremy_chang. He is also from china mobile.05:31
JimmyYe2528hi all05:32
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gongyshtbh, diga hi05:32
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digagongysh: hello05:33
dkushwahagongysh, sorry I missed last 2 weekly meetings. Just joined office now05:33
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tbhhi gongysh05:33
tung_doanwelcome jeremy_chang05:33
gongysh#topic agenda05:33
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gongyshsridhar_ram is absent from today's meeting.05:34
gongyshso if anyone, in particular the core reviewers, are absent, please put names in agenda.05:34
tung_doanmiss you dkushwaha :)05:34
gongysh#topic announcement05:35
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dkushwahatung_doan, :)05:35
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gongyshwe have done a reservation on Project Onboarding Rooms05:35
gongyshso who are you guys going to summit?05:35
digaI will be attending summit this time05:36
gongysh+1 diga05:36
tbhI haven't decided yet05:36
gongysh+1 me. I will go.05:37
tbhI will let you know, once it is confirmed05:37
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dkushwahagongysh, not sure05:37
gongyshdkushwaha,  once sure, let team know.05:37
gongyshdoes someone get topic on tacker accepted?05:38
digaI think everyone is waiting for OS travel support confirmation :)05:38
gongyshdiga, :)05:38
digaNot for VIM support submission05:38
gongyshit seems we have no tacker topic this time.05:39
dkushwahagongysh, tbh our topic on nsd is not selected.05:39
gongyshok, that is for summit subject.05:39
gongysh#topic review stats05:40
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digagongysh: Tacker is core project & still no submission is accepted by OS team, I think we should raise this to OpenStack support team05:40
gongyshhi guys, I want the team know we will promote core members that is active in reviewing.05:40
dkushwahadiga, +105:40
gongyshdiga, I will try to complain. but I don't think core project topic will be accept.05:41
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digagongysh: Every core project topic has got at least one submission acceptance, may be we should try to reach right person to raise our concern05:42
gongyshour data is improving, but need more efforts.05:43
digagongysh: I will try to improve my reviews, as I haven't got time last week05:43
gongyshdiga, ok, I will try to ask someone for the topic acceptance.05:43
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gongyshdkushwaha, tbh, about review, please keep up.05:44
tung_doangongysh: multi-VIM and NSD are good candidate for Pike I think05:44
dkushwahagongysh, yes sure, I will improve it05:45
tbhgongysh, I am improving from the last week, I will put more efforts for reviews05:45
gongyshtbh, dkushwaha , thanks05:45
gongyshlet's move to next topic05:45
gongysh#topic features and bp05:45
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gongyshFirst one I want to talk is task scheduling framework05:46
gongyshplease have a look at
gongyshI have put steps to show how to run the scheduling05:47
gongyshand how to write task agent.05:47
digagongysh: Have we finalized zookeeper for task scheduling ?05:48
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gongyshdiga, I think we will use the zookeeper with 85 chance now.05:48
digagongysh: okay05:48
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gongyshdiga, and need you guys provide more comments if we have better candidates.05:49
gongyshif no, we have to move foreward.05:49
tbhgongysh, I need to look to zk more, but I have on doubt, if the task is assigned to worker, and worker is dead in between working on the task, does the scheduler assign the task to other worker?05:49
gongyshtbh, you can see the design rule at
digagongysh: no problem, it is strong framework. Kafka and etc tools are already using it behind the scene05:50
gongyshany one can go and come easily.05:50
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gongyshtbh, and dkushwaha , we should put the scheduling bp in at P105:51
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gongyshand we will start to move vim and vnf related long live jobs.05:51
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gongyshand for short life task, such as scaling job, I think we should move to mistral.05:52
dkushwahagongysh, sure05:53
gongyshok this is for task scheduling bp.05:53
gongyshand for NSD BP05:53
gongyshdkushwaha, do you have update?05:53
tung_doandkushwaha: I know symmetric chain was update in network sfc. This is also nice to have05:54
gongyshtung_doan, that is for vnffgd05:54
gongyshif you are interested in it, tung_doan you can put a patch.05:55
dkushwahagongysh, no update. I will put initial patch within 1 2 days05:55
tung_doangongysh: we have plan to support vnffg for nsd. it is nice to go parallel05:55
dkushwahagongysh, I have to resume it05:56
gongyshtung_doan, yes.05:56
gongyshdkushwaha, wait for your nsd update next meeting. thanks05:56
dkushwahagongysh, sure05:57
gongyshdiga, do you want to share the progress of API?05:57
digagongysh: I have fixed issues yesterday on falcon,05:57
gongyshdiga, yes, that is a progress05:58
digagongysh: I am working on attribute validation & wsgi addition, will push PS by today EOD05:58
digagongysh: I had discussion with ttx in the last week, he guided to use apache if possible05:58
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gongyshdiga, you can do a small API, for example VIM register API first.05:59
digagongysh: yeah05:59
gongyshdiga, let us know what it will look like in your new API framework.05:59
digagongysh: sure05:59
gongyshdiga, thanks05:59
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digagongysh: welcome!05:59
gongyshtung_doan,  I know you are active at policy part of tacker06:00
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tung_doangongysh: yes,, just try my best :)06:00
gongyshtung_doan, and please have a look at the new task scheduling framework, and make sure it will meet the needs of policy task.06:01
tung_doangongysh: sure06:01
gongyshit is the feature part06:02
gongysh#topic bugs06:02
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gongyshplease review the bugs and patches that is in progress06:02
gongysh#topic bugs of vnffg06:03
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1668838 in tacker "add vnffg functional tests" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Jimmy.Ye (
gongyshI think this bug's patch should guard our vnffgd features.06:04
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JimmyYe2528I'll try to do it06:04
gongyshso keep our resource on this bug to put it merged as soon as possible.06:05
gongyshanother topic is VNFFC CI test.06:05
gongyshthe image on tbh's  github seems not stable.06:06
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dkushwahagongysh, regarding bug
openstackLaunchpad bug 1643576 in tacker "Wrong value set required when passing parameter to VNFD" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to dharmendra (dharmendra-kushwaha)06:07
tung_doangongysh: this is also failed:
gongyshI will have a try to put the images to openstack ci site just like the way kolla is doing.06:07
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dkushwahagongysh, I had put a comment on please check it  once you get time06:07
gongyshdkushwaha ok06:08
tbhgongysh, yeah, I am getting mail from github LFS team, about maximum usage of the resources :)06:08
gongysh#action gongysh to look at
openstackLaunchpad bug 1668838 in tacker "add vnffg functional tests" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Jimmy.Ye (
gongysh#action gongysh to look at
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gongysh#action gongysh to look at the way to put tacker vnfc image.06:09
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gongyshYanXing_an, hi06:10
gongyshYanXing_an,  can you have a talk about the bartican solution for vim fernet key?06:10
YanXing_anI have reported a draft about using barbican to store vim password.06:11
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gongyshJust like what is said at the
gongyshwe can use barbican to store secret stuff.06:13
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YanXing_anyes, we can use the Secrets API to store the password of VIM06:13
gongyshlater we will have other service middle ware to interact with.06:13
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gongyshfor example, SDN controller06:14
gongyshwe also need store the credentials of those components too.06:14
gongyshso I think barbican is a good solution.06:15
gongyshYanXing_an, please report a BP at launchpad and write the spec. thanks06:15
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gongyshother bugs are:06:16
YanXing_angongsh, okay, i will06:16
gongysh1. floatingIP ref bug06:17
gongyshfloatingip needs changes on three projects, tacker, tosca parser, heat translator06:17
gongysh2. address pair06:17
gongyshall these are taken by someone.06:18
gongysh3. one more feature I think makes sense the volume feature06:18
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gongyshif someone wants to take this, welcome06:19
gongyshthe BP is here06:20
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gongyshYanXing_an,  does your team want to take this BP?06:20
YanXing_ani will discuss it with our team06:21
gongyshYanXing_an, ok, thanks06:21
gongyshLet's move to next topic06:22
gongysh#topic open discussion06:22
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gongyshthere are still 8 mins until the end of meeting.06:22
digagongysh: As you told, we have got seperate room for Tacker06:22
digagongysh: is there any schedule we have for 2-3 days06:22
digain summit ?06:22
gongyshdiga,  probably. I think.06:23
jeremy_changgongysh,VNF can be created only by a user with administrator role, is right?06:23
gongyshjeremy_chang, that depends.06:23
gongyshnormal users can use existed image, flavor to create VNF.06:24
gongyshadmin user can create VNF which need to create resource on demand: such as flavors06:25
gongyshdiga, I will ask summit guys to get know what should be done at forum room.06:25
gongyshand get you guys synced.06:26
gongyshanything else?06:26
tung_doangongysh: it seems containerized NF bp is neglected. It is really good to consider this bp in Pike. Some folks from opnfv are interested in.06:26
gongyshtung_doan, not neglected.06:27
digagongysh: sure06:27
diganothing from my side06:27
gongyshif you have time, you can upload codes.06:27
gongyshbut first, put our existing feature stable at top Priority.06:28
tung_doangongysh: got it.06:28
gongyshP1, P2 milestones are  for essentail stuff.06:29
tung_doangongysh: agree06:29
gongyshok,  core guys, please keep up reviewing.06:29
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gongyshreview, review, is core members' main tasks.06:29
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joehuang#startmeeting tricircle14:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 15 14:02:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)"14:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tricircle'14:02
joehuang#topic rollcall14:02
*** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)"14:02
joehuang#info joehuang14:02
dongfeng#info dongfeng14:03
Yipei#info Yipei14:03
fanyishi#info fanyishi14:03
yinxiulin#info 秀林14:03
yinxiulin#info xiulin14:03
RongHui11#info ronghui14:03
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zhiyuan#info zhiyuan14:03
longxiongqiu#info longxiongqiu14:04
WuCheng#info WuCheng14:04
joehuang#topic Test coverage requirement14:04
*** openstack changes topic to "Test coverage requirement (Meeting topic: tricircle)"14:04
joehuangthere is one patch submitted to set threshold for test coverage14:04
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joehuangthe current coverage is 71%14:05
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joehuangso all new patch should add enough test code14:06
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joehuangto keep the test coverage >-71%14:06
joehuangif a patch leads to the coverage <71%14:07
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joehuangthen the check test will fail14:07
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RongHui11got it14:08
joehuangthat means each new patch must add test cases to cover more than 71% code, otherwise it'll fail in test14:08
dongfengwill the doc be ignored?14:08
joehuangdoc test is another test14:08
dongfenggot it.14:09
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joehuangfor new patch, we hope it can reach >90% for its own code14:09
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joehuangthat means all branch clauses will be covered as much as possible14:10
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joehuangyou can check the coverage of test in each patch, just click the link of tricircle-coverage-ubuntu-xenial-nv14:11
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joehuangthen you can find each file coverage test report in the folder "cover"14:12
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joehuangdo you have any question to check the coverage report?14:12
dongfengno for me14:13
joehuangclick each file, you can see what tested, what not14:13
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joehuang#info for old file, it's encouraged to add test cases to increase the test coverage14:14
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joehuanggood, if no question, zhiyuan, I think we can approve this patch14:15
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zhiyuanok, that's fine14:15
joehuang#topic Pike-1 prioritized patches progress review14:15
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joehuang#info two patches of VxLAN feature merged14:16
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joehuang#info router az support merged14:16
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joehuangother patches are still in review14:17
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joehuangQoS spec is still in discussion14:17
joehuangVxLAN feature spec is close to merge14:18
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RongHui11yes  we need to speed up the rhythm of the discussion14:18
joehuangdo you have topic to discuss for the spec/code patch in review14:19
dongfengno for me.14:19
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zhiyuanno for me, I will update my patches tomorrow based on the comments14:19
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joehuangtricircleclient patch is close to be ready, I think14:20
electrocucarachasorry this savings time day14:20
electrocucarachayes I guess it's14:21
joehuanghello, victor14:21
joehuango, your time changed14:21
joehuangwhat's the current time now14:21
electrocucarachaSindhu told me that she will fix it, but now she is serving as bug deputy in neutron14:21
electrocucaracha9:21 am14:21
joehuangis it too early for you? or it's good14:22
electrocucarachaits much better14:22
sindhuyes I will fix it today14:22
sindhusorry for the delay14:22
joehuangthere are several patches are almost close to merge, please have a look14:22
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joehuangto Sindhu, it's ok, not delayed yet :)14:23
joehuangWe just discussed that the coverage patch will be merged to look after tricircle code test coverage14:24
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joehuangthanks to victor to bring this one14:24
joehuangreally good14:24
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electrocucarachayeah, and now makes more sense to have coverage jobs14:25
electrocucarachathat validates the code coverage and not the creation of the reports14:25
joehuang+1, it's very helpful, and I saw that the coverage increased from 71% to 72%14:26
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joehuangafter Tricircle pike-1 is released, we'd like to have a demo in OPNFV beijing summit14:27
joehuang#topic Demo of VNF high availability across OpenStack with Tricircle in OPNFV Beijing summit14:27
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joehuangbased on the VxLAN cross Neutron L2 network and allowed address pair14:27
joehuangwe can help VNF(telecom application) to realize high availability across OpenStack14:28
joehuangand I discussed with contributors in OPNFV14:28
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joehuangwe'd like to setup a demo of this in OPNFV beijing summit, it'll be held in the middle of June14:29
joehuangand plan to integrate tricircle into OPNFV in its E-release14:30
joehuangdo you have some questions on this? there is one project in OPNFV called multisite, I am also the PTL of that project14:31
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electrocucarachajoehuang: did you know if those sessions are going to be available online?14:33
joehuangyou mean OPNFV summit?14:33
joehuanglast year, video was recorded and published in youtube14:34
joehuangOPNFV is call for presentation for the summit, we may submit a session14:34
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joehuangexcept the sessions, OPNFV summit also provide expo like that in OpenStack summit14:35
joehuangfor expo, no video will be recorded14:35
joehuangIf the session was selected, then we can have video published in youtube14:36
joehuangwould you like to submit a session together?14:36
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electrocucarachawell, I can try it but I'm not sure that I've fully support of my manager14:37
electrocucarachaanyway, it's something that we can discuss offline14:38
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joehuangok, let's discuss the session offline14:38
joehuangand one session was selected in OpenStack summit together with telecom NFV WG14:38
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joehuangso I am planning to attend OpenStack Boston summit14:39
joehuangwe may meet there14:39
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joehuang#topic open discussion14:41
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joehuangany topics?14:41
joehuangplease, Yipei14:41
Yipeifor LBaaS, when creating lb, the service plugin will use the local plugin to create port. but the port body has no ip address. instead, the service plugin fills fixed_ip with subnet_id, leading None in ip_address14:41
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joehuangthis is a bug in the code14:43
Yipeiso how it is not belong to special port14:44
zhiyuanno, that's to reject port creation request from dhcp agent14:44
Yipeijust skip the part?14:44
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joehuanghave you checked the request body passed from LBaaS service plugin?14:45
joehuangfor DHCP port processing, it's correct14:45
zhiyuanso LBaaS will also pass the body only with subnet_id?14:45
joehuangbut we need to make sure it works for LBaaS or not14:45
Yipeito zhiyuan, yes, no fixed_ip14:46
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zhiyuanno fixed_ip or no ip_address?14:47
Yipeio, no ip_address14:47
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Yipeifixed_ip is filled with subnet_id14:47
zhiyuandoes the body contain device_owner?14:47
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joehuangwe may judge by device owner to process the request from LBaaS14:49
zhiyuancool, then we can also add this port to the special port list14:49
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Yipeiso we need to add port in special ports14:50
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Yipeithen it will be processed here14:51
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Yipeioh, it wrong14:52
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joehuangto Yipei, I think you can figure out offline how to fix this issue, it's much more clear nor14:53
Yipeigot it14:53
electrocucarachaI'd like to mention the upgrades requirements patch that was submitted earlier, it contains a change in SQLAlchemy14:54
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joehuangfew minutes left, other topics?14:54
RongHui11no for me14:54
dongfengno for me14:54
longxiongqiuno for me14:54
joehuangok, will approve soon14:55
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joehuangplease review the patches14:55
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joehuangok, thank you for attending the meeting14:56
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electrocucarachathanks bye14:57
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Menthos2#chair ad_rien_15:00
openstackCurrent chairs: Menthos2 ad_rien_15:00
Menthos2Hi there15:00
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Menthos2ping ad_rien_, msimonin, denaitre, dsantoro, menthos,  serverascode, jfpeltier, kgiusti, ansmith15:00
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ad_rien_Hi o/15:01
Menthos2ping rcherrueau15:01
denaitrehey o/15:01
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Menthos2So who's with us today?15:01
msimoninrcherrueau:  ping15:01
mabderrahimhi o/15:01
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Menthos2Hi everyone15:02
Menthos2Let's just take one more minute15:02
Menthos2Okay let's start15:03
Menthos2#topic Announcements15:03
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Menthos2So good news from our side, we have two presentations accepted at the Boston summit15:03
Menthos2And one forum15:03
Menthos2(but the forum planning is still under discussion)15:03
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ad_rien_Folks, please if you plan to attend the summit add your name in the last section of our minutes15:04
MenthosAnyone wants to share some news from their side?15:04
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ad_rien_mabderrahim:  do you know whether jf peltier or Mat Rohon will join us ?15:06
jamemccFrom the LCOO side - pretty distantly related probably but would like to get any help from those here who have put some thought into similar.  LCOO and more myself have submitted a User Story to the Product Workign Group process to get started with an analysis for Cloud Native principles15:06
mabderrahimno in fact I haven't any idea15:07
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ad_rien_#link cloud native stories15:07
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Menthosjamemcc: can you tell us more?15:08
ad_rien_what is the meaning of cloud native principles :-)15:08
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paul-andreraymonAre there specific principles for Cloud Native in a Massively distributed environment?15:09
jamemccThe idea of cloud native in generaal is to break down your application so it can more efficiently run as a stateless and small but easy to scale and distribute way15:09
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MenthosOh I see15:09
msimoninis Openstack cloud native ?15:09
MenthosSo your question is do we have specifics requirements for doing that on massively distributed clouds?15:09
jamemccAs various teams - most notably Kolla and now OpenStack-Helm which is trying to bring Kubernetes OpenSource world together with OpenStack15:10
jamemccare making progress it seems we need some underlying guidlies to help us sort it out15:10
ad_rien_sorry not sure I correctly understood the question:15:10
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ad_rien_Is it related to the deployment of OpenSTack itself ?15:10
jamemccMost notably for the OpenStck itself - in LCOO we differentiate this as being Containerized COntrol Plane15:10
ad_rien_So we have started a study here @inria15:11
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ad_rien_for the moment we identified all tools available in the openstack ecosystem15:11
ad_rien_define a first workflow (based on kolla)15:11
ad_rien_a technical repport should be available soon15:12
ad_rien_The idea is to define how you can deploy (and then upgrade) a distributed version of OpenStack15:12
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jamemcc@msimonin - I'm far from the expert but as I understand - projcts are using many good contructs of Cloud Native - most notably REstFul interfaces - but no - in general architected as a larger/even single architecture15:13
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ad_rien_jamemcc:  paul-andreraymon: does it correpsond to your idea ?15:13
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MenthosTo add to what ad_rien_ just said, @Inria they worked more on how to deploy applications on massively distributed clouds15:14
MenthosNot really about applications life cycle15:14
paul-andreraymonIt does.  But Intuitively, I would think there is a little more.15:14
msimoninjamemcc: ok, is there some references of those constructs of a Cloud Native app ?15:14
paul-andreraymonIf I create a microservice, there are specific things to be done to make it cloud native.15:15
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jamemccDefiantely an overlap - we were thinking it is just more about reanalyzing each of the projects to see if they could be and should be redesigned to better enable Cloud Native priciples, but defiantely distributing the computing and also more efficiently supporting maintenance are key outcomes.15:15
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MenthosAnd we welcome HeleneCoullon who works on this @Inria :-)15:16
jamemccIn fact he suer story is more about specifiying those goals then it is in doing an exhaustive list of the types of ways to redesign15:16
ad_rien_Maybe the first question from the massively distributed WG perspective is to identify an application that needs to be deployed at WAN scale (i.e between multiple sites)15:16
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msimoninjamemcc:  Actually, I may be wrong, but some study @inria are about edge or fog native applications15:16
Menthosad_rien_:  …and then what do we need to do to this application to make it run on an edge cloud15:17
MenthosMaybe we should add this to the agenda for the next meeting?15:17
dsantoro@msimonin: a reference is for sure the 12th factor —>
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Menthosthanks dsantoro15:17
msimonindsantoro: I see :)15:18
ad_rien_Cloud Native Principles/Microservice approach for OpenStack - Implementing techniques to all of the projects so that they can be instantiated in a MicroService type fashion.  This leads to scalability and operational flexibility in large clouds. ?15:18
ad_rien_Is it related to that point I copied/pasted to the boston summit etherpad:15:18
ad_rien_#link Boston pad15:18
ad_rien_if yes. I propose to discuss that point later15:18
ad_rien_(espeecially because It appears at the end of the agenda)15:19
Menthos#action all Discuss Cloud Native app principles for Massively Distributed Clouds15:19
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MenthosCan we move on?15:19
Menthos#topic AMQP15:20
ad_rien_We have two points to be discussed:15:20
ad_rien_the slides from kgiusti15:20
ad_rien_and additional informations regarding the AMQP stresser from Orange15:20
ad_rien_so unfortunately from our side, we did not spend enough time15:21
ad_rien_so I know msimonin gave a look at15:21
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ad_rien_but he cannot attend this meeting too15:21
rcherrueauI have a question for ansmith and kgiusti about their slides. What kind of messages goes through notification traffic? Is it stuff like compute heart-beat or is it something that required a pub/sub model?15:22
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kgiustircherrueau: notifications are typically used for telemetry, logging and billing, etc15:23
kgiustircherrueau: heartbeats - not likely, but I would need to check the impl to be sure15:23
kgiustircherrueau: usually that's a 'cast' RPC operation (RPC without returning a value)15:24
kgiustircherrueau: but again I'll have to confirm that in the code.15:24
rcherrueauI would say that telemetry will use the REST API no?15:25
Menthoskgiusti: so you mean ATM there is no optimisation and it is all RPC calls?15:25
kgiustircherrueau: perhaps - again I need to check the code.15:25
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kgiustiMenthos: the applications are free to implement whatever traffic pattern they see fit.15:26
kgiustiMenthos: quite possibly using Notifications for heartbeat15:26
Menthosapplications or OpenStack services?15:26
kgiustiMenthos: Openstack services15:26
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kgiustiMenthos: Notifications re: billing could be stored to disk (durable) to prevent loss.15:27
MenthosSo the reason for this notification service is one-to-one vs one-to-many?15:27
MenthosNotifications are one-to-many?15:28
kgiustiMenthos: one to many, yes15:28
kgiustiMenthos: but not truly pub/sub -15:28
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MenthosSo why not using something like a distributed pub-sub system instead of a centralized broker?15:28
MenthosI see15:28
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rcherrueauand what about probabilistic broadcast to implement such one-to-many link without a broker (ie, in a fully decentralized manner)15:29
kgiustiMenthos: under the current impl the notification messages are competed for by all subscribers.15:29
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kgiustiMenthos: so the actual functionality is like a shared queue - go figure it was a surprise to me.15:29
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MenthosSo it's a broadcast?15:30
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kgiustiMenthos: no - each notification is consumed by only one subscriber even if there are many subscribers15:30
kgiustiMenthos: like a queue15:30
kgiustiMenthos: but the Notification API is very high level - like a logging API15:31
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kgiustiMenthos: It is presumed that order is preserved (but not across multiple consumers) - like logging15:31
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claudenkgiusti: is there an exactly-once semantic?  or at-most?15:31
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MenthosSo if it's one-to-one, why not using RPC calls?15:31
kgiusticlauden: at-most15:32
kgiustiMenthos: it's the API for Notifications that makes the difference really15:32
kgiustiMenthos: services that need to log events have a high-level logging like api (severity, filtering etc)15:33
ad_rien_how can we try to identify concrete actions?15:33
ad_rien_to be honest, I'm starting to be completely lost :(15:33
kgiustiMenthos: you'd have to build your own on top of RPC if you wanted to use RPC15:33
kgiustiad_rien_: welcome to my nightmare15:33
ad_rien_We should probably go deeper an try to clarify the ecosystem15:33
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ad_rien_kgiusti:  :)15:33
MenthosMaybe we could add an action for next time?15:34
ad_rien_There is also kafka15:34
MenthosThis is an interesting topic15:34
ad_rien_in the big picture in the openstack ecosystem15:34
kgiustiad_rien_: oslo.messaging only support Notifications for kafka, not RPC15:34
kgiustiad_rien_: just fyi.15:34
ad_rien_but we were talking about notifications ;-15:34
ad_rien_just now15:35
claudenseems like a core platform function to support a bunch of different scenarios...15:35
kgiustiad_rien_: so kafka can be used as an alternative to "broker" in all those slides15:35
claudennotifications can set up rdv for future RPC calls too :-)15:35
ad_rien_that is my question :(15:35
paul-andreraymonIn Barcelona, there were also a lot of talks about ZeroMQ and its benefits. I believe oslo supports it.15:36
ad_rien_ok so let's try to summarize the situation:15:36
ad_rien_right now there is RabbitMQ.15:36
kgiustipaul-andreraymon: +1 - see the slides it covers that15:36
ad_rien_we all agree it is an issue15:36
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ad_rien_(i.e. RabbitMQ will definitely be able to tackle with our challenges)15:37
ad_rien_Then we have zeroMQ15:37
ad_rien_(and maybe Kafka)15:37
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ad_rien_so who can try to clarify this picture ?15:37
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ad_rien_Pros/Cons of the different approaches (conceptually and technically speaking)15:37
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kgiustiad_rien_: I attempted to do that in the slides:
ad_rien_For ZeroMQ we discussed last time that the number of connexions to be maintained can be critical15:38
ad_rien_yes kgiusti15:39
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ad_rien_thanks for that15:39
ad_rien_it would be great to go deeper15:39
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ad_rien_how can we move forward?15:39
ad_rien_We need to challenge kgiusti ?15:39
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ad_rien_(kindly challenge him ;))15:40
jamemccwith utmost respet15:40
ad_rien_the idea is to try to identify elements that cannot be debated anymore15:40
ad_rien_something like: if you use zeroMQ you will face that and that issues15:40
ad_rien_Kafka does not answer this point15:41
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ad_rien_and QPid will solve this but you have to accept that....15:41
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ad_rien_So maybe we can try to exchange by mail?15:41
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ad_rien_my proposal is: please if you are interested by taking part to this action15:41
ad_rien_Add you email15:41
ad_rien_so kgiusti rcherrueau can start a thread and we can move forward15:42
ad_rien_what do you think.15:42
claudenis the topic of (broadly speaking) "coordinating activities across widely distributed OpenStack services" being worked anywhere else in parallel?15:42
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kgiustiad_rien_: sure thing15:42
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rcherrueauad_rien_: kgiusti yes good idea15:42
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kgiustiad_rien_: I can start something on openstack-dev, have the other oslo folks weigh in15:43
ad_rien_if you want but generally it is better15:43
ad_rien_to start with a few folks get a first initial draft (as much complete as possible)15:43
ad_rien_and then go on on the general ML15:43
ad_rien_Otherwise you may receive a lot of noise15:44
ad_rien_so it is up to you guys.15:44
Menthos15 minutes lef, we should move on to the next topic15:44
kgiustiad_rien_: ok15:44
ad_rien_so if we agree I propose to move to the next topic15:44
ad_rien_so Folks from Orange: are you there?15:44
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ad_rien_seems not15:45
mabderrahimme I am here15:45
jamemccFYI - claudn and I are here largely to field any questions about eCOMP15:45
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ad_rien_ok so seems not (thanks mabderrahim but I'm looking from Jf or Matt)15:45
ad_rien_BTW mabderrahim may make sense to take part to the discussion as you are rather familiar with kafka15:46
rcherrueaukgiusti: could you, please. explicitly link me and paul-andreraymon in your mail on to the openstack-dev?15:46
ad_rien_ok so let's move to the next topic15:46
Menthos#topic ECOMP15:46
kgiustircherrueau: will do15:47
rcherrueaukgiusti: thanks15:47
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ad_rien_ok so first question:15:47
ad_rien_whether is it possible to arrange a short presentation by webconf?15:48
ad_rien_I think we are several interested by understanding a bit more.15:48
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MenthosBut the timing is short15:49
claudeni think that an ecomp overview would be good, can't set it up in 9 minutes though :(15:49
ad_rien_so jamemcc clauden would it be possible to arrange such a presentation15:49
jamemccYeah I think so - I'll take it offline with claude15:49
ad_rien_so we can arrange a slot.15:49
jamemccMaybe same time but next week?15:49
ad_rien_so can we do the same so we can open a doodle15:49
paul-andreraymonShould the presentation be about AT&T's eCOMP or should it be about the new opensource ONAP of LinuxFoundation?15:50
ad_rien_Follks that are interested by taking part in the ECOMP webconf presentation add your email15:50
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jamemcc#action jamemcc open doodle to get times setup for web/video conference intro to eCOMP15:50
claudenthere's a subset of "internal production" ECOMP in ONAP, we can talk about that as well as discussing the extensions/customizations that would go along with it... does that help?15:51
paul-andreraymonclauden: Yes, I think it would help15:51
ad_rien_Maybe we can have a rather large overview of ECOMP and then have some backup slides according to the questions/Discussions15:52
ad_rien_jamemcc:  can you please take care about that ?15:52
ad_rien_(sorry 8 min left)15:52
ad_rien_we should move to the next point because I really want to highlight the question15:53
Menthos#topip Enos15:53
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Menthos#topic Enos15:53
MenthosI think we can cover this next time15:53
ad_rien_I propose that we move this point to the next meeting (nothing special to mention but things are progressing)15:53
Menthos#topic Open discussion15:53
ad_rien_so here is the important point.15:54
ad_rien_In order to prepare the forum sessions in Boston, we should gather inputs15:54
ad_rien_You can see the general one at15:54
ad_rien_#link general boston forum pad15:54
ad_rien_and the one which is related to our WG15:55
ad_rien_so may I ask all of you to add inputs15:55
Menthos#link massively distributed clouds forum pad15:55
ad_rien_especially in the second one.15:55
ad_rien_We will discuss it deeper next time but we should raise the major points we would like to discuss by the end of the week (deadline)15:56
jamemccWanted to get this in the meetign minutes this is the Doodle link for finding the right time and participants for EComp intro15:56
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ad_rien_for instance kgiusti ansmith may I ask you to add a section to discuss AMQP related questions ?15:57
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ad_rien_(3 min left)15:57
kgiustiad_rien_: sure15:57
MenthosAnything more to add to the discussion?15:58
Menthos(In less than 2 minutes)15:58
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paul-andreraymonjamescc: what time zone are you using for the doodle?15:58
ad_rien_so two important points of today:15:58
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ad_rien_- please add your email in the pad if you are interested by15:58
ad_rien_the AMQP discussions15:58
jamemccShould come up in your time but I am using US Central time15:58
ad_rien_- please add your email in the pad (in the correct section ) if you are interested by the ECOMP presentation15:59
ad_rien_that's all from my side15:59
MenthosSo thank you all for coming today15:59
ad_rien_(unfortunately discussions were fruitful today but we do not have anymore time)15:59
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smcginnisjungleboyj: Just in case ^^16:00
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Thanks.  :-)16:00
smcginnisOh good, was afraid everyone missed the time change.16:01
bswartzjust in case of what?16:01
smcginnisbswartz: In case I get dropped for some reason.16:01
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smcginnisbswartz: Not in my usual hemisphere.16:01
geguileosmcginnis: no ping today?  ;-)16:01
diablo_rojoHello :)16:01
smcginnisgeguileo: Oh right! :)16:01
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e0nesmcginnis: AFAIK, only US switched to DST time now16:01
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smcginniswxy viks ketonne abishop sivn breitz16:01
smcginnise0ne: Yeah. When does Europe?16:01
e0nethe last weekend of March in Ukraine16:02
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smcginnise0ne: Good to be aware of that, thanks!16:02
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smcginnis#topic Announcements16:02
DuncanTSame here I believe16:02
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smcginnisDuncanT: Nice to see you. :)16:02
jungleboyjDuncanT: !!!!!16:03
DuncanTThanks :-)16:03
DuncanTJust starting to get back into things16:03
* smcginnis pictures DuncanT walking into the Cheers bar.16:03
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++16:03
smcginnis#link Review focus16:03
smcginnisWe are four weeks out from milestone 1.16:03
jungleboyjDuncanT:  Glad to see it.  There wasn't enough arguing without you.  ;-)16:04
smcginnisNo major Cinder deadlines for P-1, but still a good checkpoint.16:04
smcginnisIt would be really nice if all of the new driver submissions have had a once over by then.16:04
smcginnisSo we're not pointing out spelling errors and the like right before the actual driver deadline.16:04
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smcginnis#topic Tracking driver requirement16:05
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smcginniseharney: All yours.16:05
eharneywell, i added driver-requirements.txt16:05
eharneythe aim is for drivers to add their "optional" dependencies there (optional for Cinder, but needed for the driver to work)16:06
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smcginnis#link Driver dependencies patch16:06
e0neeharney: is it something like requirements.txt?16:06
eharneythis started because of difficulties figuring out whether we packaged all of the right things in RDO etc, so should be useful for any downstreams16:06
e0neeharney: I've checked for ceph - there is no rbd and rados packages in pypi:(16:07
eharneye0ne: it's very much like it, it's just not managed by any tools16:07
smcginniseharney: So no automated enforcement or anything like that now, just a convention for us to capture these hidden dependencies, right?16:07
eharneye0ne: correct16:07
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e0neeharney: I like the general idea16:07
hemnaeharney, so these are pypi requirements to use a particular driver ?16:07
eharneythis may well end up being managed by our requirements tools etc at some point, but i haven't really figured out what that looks like, so it's just useful documentation for now16:07
eharneyhemna: yes16:07
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hemnadoes it make any sense to create a const in the driver class that has this info?16:08
hemnaand then the tools generate this file ?16:08
smcginniseharney: But we can also capture non-pypi in there too?16:08
hemnaas well as the can generate it too ?16:08
smcginnishemna: Ooh, I kind of like that.16:08
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* smcginnis likes self documenting automation16:08
hemnakinda like the CI_WIKI_NAME thingy16:08
eharneyi think we should determine if/how we will integrate with requirements tools before we integrate it too deeply into cinder's code16:08
smcginniseharney: Fair16:08
e0neeharney: +116:08
eharneybut certainly sounds like a useful thing to consider16:08
hemnawell it wouldn't be much different than the hard coded driver-requirements.txt except that that file gets generated16:09
eharneysmcginnis: how non-pypi things work is still somewhat of an open question16:09
hemnaeharney, thanks for starting this16:09
eharneythere's also another area of non-python things (CLIs), not too sure there yet either, but, this seems like a starting point16:10
smcginniseharney: That may be harder to automate, but I think it might be even more useful since I know when I tried to find all of it, it really wasn't obvious where some of this came from.16:10
hemnamaybe a driver-bindep.txt16:10
smcginnisI think just pypi is a great start.16:10
smcginniseharney: Anything else we should discuss on that now? Or just an awareness thing at this point?16:11
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eharneynothing else from me16:11
smcginniseharney: Cool, thanks!16:11
smcginnis#topic Revisiting adding a Bandit Gate16:11
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smcginnisjonesn, rarora: Hi16:11
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smcginnis#link Bandit Baseline16:12
jonesnShort story: Having a bandit gate that only checks for added issues will be a fairly small change to the tox.ini and zuul configuration to setup the gate itself.16:12
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e0nejonesn, rarora: do we have a fresh report for cinder somewhere?16:12
smcginnisjonesn: So kind of like what we do with pylint now. We just don't want the number to go up unnoticed.16:12
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jonesnExactly like pylint, except we don't have to write the script for it.16:13
jonesne0ne: not off hand16:13
e0nejonesn: I'm ok with this job if there will be a little number of false positive errors16:14
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raroraso basically you can just run the bandit-baseline command and it will do a diff... the only issues that will pop up are new ones16:15
smcginnisThere were a set of patches to disable warnings on false positives. Are those still out there?16:15
rarorawith medium confidence and severity there should not be many16:15
jonesne0ne: We might want to look through the list of things bandit checks for and exclude some entirely16:16
rarorasmcginnis: not sure of which patches you're talking about but we can also set up a config to disable certain bugs altogether and people can always #nosec something and leave a comment if they know it isn't an issue16:16
xyangsmcginnis: I haven't seen any outstanding patches, but there are probably more to fix16:16
eharneyexperience with the pylint job has shown that this kind of thing is useful, but really requires some particularly interested people to keep an eye on it16:16
jonesneharney: rarora, jessegler and I would be pretty dedicated to checking the failures16:17
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e0neeharney: good point16:17
jonesnIn fact I was going to ask if there was a way to be notified if a particular gate fails.16:17
smcginnisjonesn: Not that I know of, but a spot check from time to time should be good at a minimum.16:18
smcginnisOur only challenge with the way pylint works is since it's non-voting, it tends to get ignored.16:18
smcginnisBut I think usually it doesn't go too long before someone (usually eharney) noticed and complains. :)16:18
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jonesnsmcginnis: I'd strongly advocate using this as a trial period, with the goal of moving to a voting gate.16:19
rarorawe were planning on doing non-voting at least for now until we can fine tune the bugs, and it would at least be a step in the right direction16:19
smcginnisSo I guess I agree with e0ne - as long as there aren't too many false positives, I think it's good.16:19
smcginnisjonesn: I'd really want to be more comfortable with it before we make it voting.16:19
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smcginnisEspecially since out of the things flagged that I looked in to, not one was an actual security issue.16:20
smcginnisBut I don't want that one real instance to slip through either.16:20
eharneyyeah... most of the current things have resulted in adding #nosec from what i've seen16:20
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smcginnisSo I'm good for now as long as it's nv.16:20
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jonesnCould we get some recommendations on which rules to turn off?16:21
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smcginnisNot that I know of off hand, but there may be some things.16:21
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jesseglerHaving it non-voting should allow us to do some statistics on which rules end up getting #nosec'd a lot and that might inform which to turn off.16:22
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smcginnisLet's get that added NV, then we can see where to go from there.16:22
jonesn^I could pull together a list of all the #nosec 's that are in the code right now16:22
jonesnsmcginnis: awesome.16:23
smcginnisjonesn: That may be useful.16:23
smcginnisOK, anything else on this topic?16:23
raroraI think we're set16:23
eharneyi'm still not sure how many of the current #nosec items are things that should be fixed vs just being disabled for now to have a clean run to start with16:23
smcginniseharney: Would you want to review that first?16:23
eharneymaybe, and we should probably decide that any time we add one, there's a good comment about why it's safe, or a bug report16:24
jungleboyjeharney: +116:24
raroraeharney: with this set up we wouldn't have to have a clean run since it just checks the delta so we at least won't have to add anymore #nosecs for getting a clean run16:24
eharneysounds good16:24
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xyangI did a grab on nosec and only get 9 entries16:25
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smcginnisMay be a good exercide for someone to go through and add comments on those explaining why they are not really issues.16:25
raroraalso +1 for needing a comment for #nosecs16:25
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smcginnisBut I don't think that would need to be the gate on getting a nv job added that just checks the diff.16:25
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smcginnisAlright, I'll move on for now. Please post a comment in #openstack-cinder to let folks know if a patch is submitted to add a job.16:26
jonesnWill do.16:26
smcginnisWe can always comment on there if any issues are thought of by then.16:27
smcginnisjonesn: Thanks!16:27
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smcginnis#topic Dynamic Reconfiguration16:27
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diablo_rojoHello :)16:27
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: All yours16:27
smcginnis#link Dynami reconfig spec16:27
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diablo_rojoSo with all the changes due to the A/A stuff I wanted to make sure the spec was still accurate16:27
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diablo_rojoI know we had noted the approach we decided on might not be pretty now that those things have landed.16:28
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: There hasn't been a patch to move this to Pike, right?16:28
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hemnathe formatting of that page looks borked for some reason16:28
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diablo_rojosmcginnis, yeah16:28
hemnalike the .rst was incorrectly formatted16:28
smcginnishemna: Under the Work Items section?16:28
hemnaUse cases16:29
diablo_rojohemna, I figured I'd fix that up if we had other changes to make16:29
diablo_rojoWanted to do it all at once.16:29
eharneythere are a lot of indentation errors after bullet points, which makes it format funny16:29
smcginnisOh, hmm. And Alternatives section too.16:29
hemnanot sure what happened there.  it didn't recognize the bullet points it looks like16:29
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smcginnisdiablo_rojo: I think if you can fix that up and propose a move to Pike, we can comment on there.16:29
geguileoI think bullet points where missing space after *16:30
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smcginnisdiablo_rojo: It was already accepted previously, but we can have another review to make sure it still matches the current state of things.16:30
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diablo_rojoSo, I talked to geguileo a bit yesterday and there are two approaches that we could do right now. One: create a new mechanism and have drivers implement. or Two: Modify the sighup to stop all child processes and start the new ones with the new config.16:30
diablo_rojosmcginnis, right, just wanted to make sure the approach was still valid before I did a bunch of work and found out no one liked it anymore :)16:31
jgriffithdiablo_rojo spec LGTM16:31
hemnacan we safely stop processes though?  There could be outstanding actions being taken16:31
jgriffithdiablo_rojo I like the sighug approach16:31
DuncanTdiablo_rojo: draining has the disadvantage of creating an outage while long-running operations (backup, copy to/from image) finish16:31
diablo_rojohemna, yeah that was something I wondered. There could be ongoing processes that never get finished up?16:31
e0nediablo_rojo: sighup sounds good for me16:32
diablo_rojoDuncanT, right.16:32
hemnasince we don't really track transactions/actions being taken16:32
hemnacopy volume <--> image16:32
smcginnissighug :)16:32
hemnabackup, etc16:32
DuncanThemna: I think that comes under the generic heading of 'drain'16:32
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geguileowe are already using sighup to do the reload within Cinder16:32
Swansonsmcginnis, quiet.16:32
hemnaDuncanT, we don't know what to drain at this point.16:32
geguileowe do the drain using oslo services mechanism16:32
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smcginnisSwanson: It just sounds so friendly.16:33
diablo_rojosmcginnis, hugged to death16:33
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hemnaalso, we need to add more information in the deployer impact section16:33
DuncanTgeguileo: So this feature is already implemented? Last I checked, our sighup handling was dangerously broken16:33
DuncanT(It has been a while)16:33
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jgriffith+1 for *sighug*, we should start a new Big Tent project with that name16:33
geguileoDuncanT: Last time I checked it worked16:33
hemnait's obvious, but if you change replication settings, you could potentially orphan existing replicated volumes16:33
diablo_rojohemna, When I get the patch up to clean things up you can make comments and I will integrate them. Sound good?16:33
geguileoDuncanT: that was for my Barcelona talk16:33
hemnadiablo_rojo sure16:34
DuncanTgeguileo: I'll take another look and see what I can break16:34
geguileothe problem is that you are without service for as long as it's draining the service16:34
diablo_rojohemna, cool I will let you know as soon as I get it up there16:34
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smcginnisdiablo_rojo: +116:34
bswartzbash: kill: SIGHUG: invalid signal specification :-(16:34
geguileoand cinder backup and volume can take a long time when we are talking about the data plane16:34
DuncanTgeguileo: Ah, yes, that was one of my definitions of 'broken', though that wasn't the dangerous one16:34
hemnageguileo, that's what concerns me16:34
diablo_rojohemna, agreed.16:35
geguileohemna: DuncanT I believe that's what we are trying to fix now16:35
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hemnadiablo_rojo also need to note that changing things like FCZM settings can nuke existing attachments16:36
DuncanTgeguileo: What you suggest is working is exactly what the spec proposes16:36
diablo_rojohemna, can do.16:36
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geguileoDuncanT: No, I'm saying that the sighup mechanism is already there, we just need to modify it's behavior to whatever we agree16:36
DuncanTgeguileo: The spec suggests drain and restart16:37
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geguileoDuncanT: Mmmmm, then we already have that16:37
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DuncanTWe're done! Beer time!16:37
jungleboyjDuncanT:  Yay!16:38
diablo_rojogeguileo accidentially implemented my spec lol16:38
geguileowe could at least support adding new backends and removing them through sighup16:38
jungleboyjgeguileo:  But does it refresh from cinder.conf?16:38
geguileojungleboyj: yup16:38
* jungleboyj is baffled ...16:39
geguileojungleboyj: at least I think so...  now I'm unsure16:39
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jungleboyjgeguileo:  I am going to have to go try it.16:39
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smcginnisWell, diablo_rojo and geguileo, maybe you too should talk a bit.16:40
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: But I think getting it updated is probably worth it.16:41
diablo_rojosmcginnis, a bit more than we did yesterday anyway lol16:41
geguileoI think the reloading of the config is a minor thing16:41
diablo_rojosmcginnis, yep I put it towards the top of my todolist16:41
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: Excellent16:41
geguileoThe big thing is if we have any ideas about how to prevent the service being out while draining16:41
jungleboyjgeguileo:  The one man  Cinder show.16:41
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diablo_rojojungleboyj, +116:41
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: If you get an update, probably good to add DuncanT and hemna as reviewers to make sure their concerns get addressed.16:42
geguileodiablo_rojo: Maybe we could change it to make it only draing services that have changed the config or being completely removed16:43
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diablo_rojosmcginnis, can do16:43
geguileoand spins up a new process for added backens16:43
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smcginnisgeguileo: Nice, would be good if it can be smart about it.16:43
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: I'm going to move on. I think you at least have next steps.16:44
diablo_rojosmcginnis, thanks :)16:44
smcginnis#topic Forum Topic Brainstorming16:44
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smcginnis#link Brainstorming Etherpad16:44
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smcginnisThey are looking for topics for the forum.16:45
smcginnisI've also created a Cinder specific one for us:16:45
smcginnis#link Cinder topic brainstorming.16:45
smcginnisAll captured here:16:45
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xyangsmcginnis: what much time do we have?16:45
smcginnisSome good topics from jgriffith. We should add those to the etherpad.16:45
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xyangsmcginnis: how is this different from design summit in the past?16:46
smcginnisxyang: Unfortunately I have no idea for any of those.16:46
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: Any foundation guidance you can provide?16:46
jgriffithsmcginnis hehe... I meant to add those as topics for todays meeting but :)16:46
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jgriffithI updated the wiki to reflect that after I noticed I screwed it up16:46
smcginnisjgriffith: Probably good enough here. Will do that next16:46
smcginnisBeen there, done that.16:47
xyangsmcginnis: we'll probably get an answer on what to do with translations?16:47
smcginnisRunning out of time, so I'll move on. But add ideas and just know we may or may not be able to discuss at the forum depending on how timing is.16:47
smcginnisxyang: Yes, hoping that's finalized by then.16:48
hemnaxyang remove them all!16:48
xyangsmcginnis: I saw that as a forum topic16:48
smcginnis#topic 3'rd party CI16:48
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xyanghemna: :)16:48
jungleboyjxyang:  It is just more like the fishbowl sessions.16:48
hemnarm -f _LE, _LW, _LDIE!16:48
smcginnishemna: :)16:48
smcginnisjgriffith: All yours now.16:48
smcginnis#link Changing 3'rd party CI requirement16:48
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jgriffithsmcginnis thanks!16:48
jgriffithOk, so folks that were in ATL are familiar with this16:49
jgriffithat least if you stuck around Friday :)16:49
jgriffithSo I tried to summarize in that etherpad16:49
jgriffithbasically IMO we've stopped making any real forward/beneficial progress on 3'rd party CI16:49
jgriffithso... maybe we should try something different16:49
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jgriffithThe TLDR is stop *requiring* a true Continious integration for now16:50
jgriffithinstead require that CI's respond to triggers:  "run <driver-ci-name>" and "run all-cis"16:51
bswartzmore like an admission that the current "continuous" requirement is not being met by nearly all 3rd party CI16:51
jgriffithbswartz correct16:51
jgriffithin other words, quit fooling ourselves :)16:51
DuncanTjgriffith: Doesn't seem like a terrible idea given where we are and the total lack of improvement in the last 12 months16:51
jgriffithand focus on actually tasks to improve16:51
DuncanTjgriffith: With the appendium that it's sad that we have to do this16:52
jgriffithby isolating these to a more periodic and concerned effort we can publish, analyze and focus on getting things fixed up16:52
diablo_rojojgriffith, +116:52
jgriffithDuncanT yeah, but such is life16:52
jgriffithSo if folks want, take a look at the ehterpad and add comments/suggestions16:52
diablo_rojoNot biting off more than we can chew. start small and work our way up from there to actually make things better.16:53
jgriffithI'd propose doing both a dummy patch that just pulls from master and runs everything AND a known "everything should fail this" test16:53
bswartzDuncanT: it turns out that maintaining 3rd party CIs is like a full time job for some people, and I don't that that was ever the intention when we started down this road it Atlanta (that ATL design summit not the PTG)16:53
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smcginnisjgriffith: I like the "pipecleaner" everything should fail on this patch16:53
jgriffithbswartz DuncanT so the only caveat is that you'll still have to maintain a CI, it jus won't have the same load demand or elasticity requirements16:54
smcginnisThere goes my side business of running CIs for companies. :D16:54
jgriffithsmcginnis yeah, that's awesome!16:54
hemnaHow many of us look at driver CI for a driver patch?16:54
jgriffithand this way, as we go along if we get better we can do things like up the frequency or revisit ture continious16:55
hemnaI'm still not going to +A a patch for a driver, unless it passes CI16:55
jgriffithhemna read the etherpad, I knew you'd say that :)16:55
tbarronthat's consistent I think16:55
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bswartzhemna: yeah that's important16:55
jgriffithand I think that's perfectly reasonable/valid16:55
DuncanTbswartz: Yeah... I think the fact that it is a full time job suggests that something, somewhere needs some serious rethought, but that turns out to be a very big topic and probably outside of the cinder remit16:55
smcginnishemna: I do. And I guess the good thing about this is we can just trigger extra runs on the ones we care about.16:55
hemnaok coolio.16:55
bswartzvendors CIs should run on vendor driver patches16:55
jgriffitheven if it means a core has to add the comment "run xyz" that's fine16:56
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smcginnisSide bonus - less scrolling in gerrit. ;)16:56
jgriffithif you're an overachiever your CI will already be running it, OR you'll add the comment to the review when you submit it16:56
jungleboyjjgriffith:  +116:56
jgriffithsmcginnis hehe16:56
smcginnisjgriffith: Good point. There's no reason you can't run on all patches if you want to.16:56
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jgriffithNote, I did point out that this was the *requirement* but that folks can continue testing every patch if they want16:57
smcginnisGoing to run out of time, so let's let folks read up on the etherpad.16:57
jgriffithI should clarify that.. if you're CI sucks and your cluttering things with nonsense you will be dealt with harshly :)16:57
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smcginnis#topic Filtering and the API16:57
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jgriffithF'ing FILTERS16:57
bswartzit should also be pointed out that continual failing will be a lot less acceptable if you only have to run once a week16:57
jgriffithcan we stop the madness!16:57
smcginnisbswartz: +116:57
DuncanTjgriffith: Filters are good16:57
jgriffithseriously, the filtering every which way to Sunday is ludicrous16:58
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smcginnisDuncanT: I actually did say "let me put on my Duncan hat" when this came up at the PTG.16:58
jgriffithLet's have a generic filtering mechanism and sotp16:58
hemnaOpenStack - we love the madness.16:58
DuncanTgeneric, consistant filtering mechanism +116:58
jgriffithI have a spec and first round patch...16:58
jungleboyjhemna:  Nice.  A new mantra16:58
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smcginnis#link Filtering patches16:59
jgriffithSo there's a start of things, and the spec16:59
DuncanTjgriffith: Filter by tenant (for admins) is missing and important17:00
jgriffithMy proposal is that we can go ahead and expose everything the DB lets us fitler on if we want, by using a --filter arg and a json file to control what the admin wants to allow17:00
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smcginnisSorry, out of time.17:00
jgriffithDuncanT it's just another filter k/v pair isn't it?17:00
jgriffithvolume list filter=tenant:id17:00
smcginnisLet's go over to #openstack-cinder.17:00
jgriffithtil next time dirty rotten filters!17:00
DuncanTjgriffith: I'm just trying to figure that out, but yeah, I think so17:00
smcginnisThanks everyone.17:01
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bh526r_#startmeeting #gluon18:00
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bh526r_#topic Roll Call18:00
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bh526r_#info Bin Hu18:00
bh526r_Hi guys18:01
georgk#info Georg Kunz18:02
bh526r_Hi Georg18:02
bh526r_Looks like only you and I18:02
bh526r_Other people may be confused by daylight savings time18:02
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bh526r_#topic Admin Update18:03
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bh526r_#info We just finished OPNFV NetReady meeting18:03
bh526r_#info Our lab was deployed with Fuel OpenStack Newton, ODL and Gluon Ocata18:04
bh526r_#info Basic verification was done18:04
bh526r_#info Next step is to deploy Shim Layer on SDN-C specific VMs18:04
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bh526r_#info And make Contrail work (Mechanism Driver) with Fuel OpenStack18:05
bh526r_anything else to add, Georg?18:05
georgkno, that´s all18:06
bh526r_Thank you Gerog18:06
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bh526r_#info At an offline conversation, Huawei intended to set up a 2nd lab in Santa Clara18:06
bh526r_#info They will start to work on the lab setup18:06
bh526r_#topic PoC Planning for OpenStack Summit and OPNFV Summit18:07
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jinli#info JinLi18:12
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bh526r_Hi Jin18:12
bh526r_#info Logistics wise, in OpenStack Summit, we may not have our dedicated booth18:13
jinliHi Bin, sorry late, just came back from dr appt18:13
bh526r_no problem18:13
bh526r_#info Bin is in talk with OPNFV regarding the possibility to share OPNFV booth there18:13
bh526r_#info OPNFV is discussing it (marketing, admin, event team), and see what are the options, e.g. OpenSource Day booth etc.18:14
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bh526r_#info Bin will share more information once he knows more from OPNFV18:15
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bh526r_#info For OPNFV Summit, Bin will submit PoC proposal to secure an AT&T Booth as we did for OPNFV Summit in Berlin18:16
bh526r_#info In terms of PoC scope, there are several options18:16
bh526r_#info E.g. SFC among controllers. But it appears to be too aggressive to implement within short time frame18:17
bh526r_#info It is more confident to focus on the core value of Gluon and Proton18:17
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bh526r_#info So the demo scope could include:18:19
bh526r_#info (1) 3 YAMLs and Protons/APIs: L3VPN, SFC and P2P. We will write 3 YAMLs for L3VPN, SFC and P2P service models respectively. Then use Particle Generator to generate 3 Protons / 3 sets of APIs respectively.18:20
bh526r_#info No code is needed to implement those APIs on SDN-C, except those already supported.18:20
bh526r_#info The value proposition is to enable quick development and deployment of new networking service APIs so as to accelerate time-to-market and improve business agility18:21
bh526r_#info (2) Then demonstrate a fun use case for interoperability of multiple SDN controllers using Proton API L3VPN.18:22
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bh526r_#info Minimum code is needed to automate passing RT and RD parameters via Proton L3VPN API so as to enable BGP peering among those SDN controllers18:22
bh526r_any other thoughts?18:23
georgkregarding the last point, we need to extend the l3vpn api18:24
georgki guess we need to collect required parameters which need to be added18:24
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bh526r_That's right.18:24
bh526r_What about using "protonclient --api net-l3vpn vpnafconfig-create" to pass parameters?18:26
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georgkgood point18:26
georgkit is not really used at the moment anyway18:26
georgki need to see which parameters are needed18:26
georgkat least the remote SDN controller IP18:26
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georgkmaybe AS-number18:27
georgkso maybe it makes sense to create a bgppeering object18:27
georgkinstead of the afconfig thingy18:28
georgklet´s see18:28
bh526r_Great. Please figure out what are the parameters needed, and see if current vpnafconfig-create can be reused, or needs to add more arguments for this command, or need a new API endpoint18:28
bh526r_Currently "protonclient --api net-l3vpn vpnafconfig-create" supports RT values18:29
bh526r_e.g. "$ protonclient --api net-l3vpn vpnafconfig-create --vrf_rt_type both --vrf_rt_value 1000:1000"18:29
bh526r_If we need more parameters, we need to extend the arguments at least18:29
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bh526r_And bgppeering-create makes more sense if we have more parameters other than AFconfig18:31
bh526r_So first find the list of parameters needed for BGP peering first. Then let's see what is the best way18:32
bh526r_Thank you Georg18:32
bh526r_#Action: @georgk figure out a list of parameters needed for BGP peering18:33
bh526r_Other thoughts?18:33
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bh526r_Good, let's move on18:35
bh526r_#topic Planning for Pike18:35
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bh526r_I think we need Sukhdev and Ian's wisdom regarding RFE in Neutron18:36
bh526r_I will follow up with them offline18:36
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bh526r_#info Bin will follow up with Sukhdev and Ian regarding RFE "optional network type" and its implementation in Neutron18:37
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bh526r_#info We need more volunteer for other Pike tasks18:38
bh526r_#info All are encouraged to sign up18:39
bh526r_#topic Planning for Forum in Boston18:39
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bh526r_#info Telecom/NFV Etherpad is here:18:40
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bh526r_Do you feel we need to create an Etherpad for our own Gluon group session?18:41
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georgkwell, we can try - etherpads are cheap18:41
bh526r_:) OK, I will create one for planning purpose18:42
bh526r_#info Bin will create an Etherpad for planning a Gluon session18:43
bh526r_That's pretty much all from my side18:43
bh526r_Anything else?18:43
jinlibin, I can work on this one18:44
jinliLook into what should be returned when the base URL is accessed, i.e. what is expected by a REST API when the base URL is accessed. Currently, the proton server returns a response body with default_version, version, name, etc. We need to mimic what other APIs do (e.g. Neutron, Nova, etc).18:44
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jinlican you put my name there?18:44
jinlithat's in the pike task18:44
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bh526r_Sure, thank you Jin18:44
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bh526r_Jin, I just put your name there. Please double check18:45
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bh526r_Georg, what is your colleague's name that is looking into SFC YAML?18:46
bh526r_I will put his name under "New service binding model for SFC "18:46
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georgkhis name is Juanma, but he might leave SFC due to a re-org18:47
georgkso, not sure it if is good to put his name there18:47
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jinliyes, it is there now18:47
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bh526r_I see. Thank you Georg for more info.18:47
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bh526r_Anything else from everyone?18:48
georgkno, i am good18:48
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bh526r_Good. Thank you everyone. And let's focus on PoC part, and I will work with Sukhdev and Ian to move RFE forward in Neutron.18:49
bh526r_#info Meeting adjourned18:49
georgkok, bye18:49
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zara_the_lemur__it's that time again!18:59
zara_the_lemur__for the storyboard meeting!19:00
zara_the_lemur__anyone about?19:00
zara_the_lemur__I believe SotK will be busy tonight19:00
SotKabout that is19:00
SotKalso busy19:00
zara_the_lemur__:) I intend to race through things19:00
zara_the_lemur__#startmeeting storyboard19:00
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zara_the_lemur__#topic Announcements19:01
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zara_the_lemur__Monasca intends to migrate to StoryBoard after 20UTC Monday19:01
zara_the_lemur__PUT IT IN YOUR CALENDARS19:01
SotKalso refstack and defcore :)19:01
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zara_the_lemur__ah, was that at the same time, I missed that!19:02
zara_the_lemur__#topic Urgent Items19:02
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zara_the_lemur__based on that, I would say the branches patch is somewhat urgent19:02
zara_the_lemur__will link shortly19:02
zara_the_lemur__(one day I'll get the hang of opening all my links *before* the meeting)19:03
zara_the_lemur__(but it is not this day)19:03
fungihappily, it's already on my calendar ;)19:03
fungi(the monasca move)19:03
fungi(refstack/defcore too)19:03
SotKwe don't *need* the non master branches patch for these projects19:03
zara_the_lemur__ohhhh, in that case that's not urgent then19:04
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zara_the_lemur__SotK: do you know if we need the UUID patch ?19:04
zara_the_lemur__oh, diablo_rojo has reviewed that anyway19:04
zara_the_lemur__so I can merge it19:05
zara_the_lemur__moving on, then19:05
zara_the_lemur__#topic In-Progress Work19:05
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zara_the_lemur__that's the branches patch I just mentioned19:05
zara_the_lemur__thanks, diablo_rojo!19:06
zara_the_lemur__(and thanks, SotK, for leaving such detailed feedback)19:06
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zara_the_lemur__that's a patch to import non-master branches from launchpad, and I now gather it is not immediately urgent, but the sooner the better. :D19:07
zara_the_lemur__as other projects are likely to need it19:07
zara_the_lemur__the UUID patch to which I just referred was:19:07
zara_the_lemur__which works around an issue where importing two users with the same name in lp would cause an error and halt the import19:08
zara_the_lemur__I've just +A'd it so hopefully that will merge soon.19:08
zara_the_lemur__next, some patches I am very excited about...19:08
SotKare these my spectacular board speed patches? :)19:09
zara_the_lemur__I still have not actually had time to test/review them, to my undying shame19:09
zara_the_lemur__but I am so happy even at the idea19:10
SotKthey need further work still19:10
zara_the_lemur__well, it has been possible to have children and grandchildren in the time it takes to load a large board, so I'll be pleased if we can reduce it by a generation19:10
zara_the_lemur__(see before I couldn't complain because you'd implemented it, so it would just be mean, but now you've sent a fix so it cancels it out.)19:11
SotKsince I forgot to finish a bit of the changes to the story db api19:11
SotKyeah, the times were unacceptably long19:11
zara_the_lemur__I am very pleased about those, thanks so much19:12
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zara_the_lemur__we have another patch in review,19:12
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zara_the_lemur__It increases the char limit for project and project group names. I've left a comment on the relevant story; I don't know of any reason to oppose it in theory.19:12
zara_the_lemur__I gather the patch itself requires a rework19:13
zara_the_lemur__so if anyone knows a historic reason for that limitation that we should be aware of, speak now or forever hold your peace19:13
* SotK is fine with it once it adds a migration to make the database match the model19:13
zara_the_lemur__I can't remember off the top of my head how the webclient code works with that19:13
zara_the_lemur__and if we'd need to update anything there19:14
zara_the_lemur__other things...19:15
SotKperhaps we would, I don't recall if we have the limit hardcodes there too19:15
SotKgood point :)19:15
zara_the_lemur__(I'll have a quick look after the meeting)19:15
zara_the_lemur__(it wouldn't surprise me)19:15
zara_the_lemur__the thing linked above is betherly's patch to change less to sass; I left a comment but it pretty much just says 'this is the bit reported in the tests'19:16
zara_the_lemur__I don't know the details around that19:16
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* SotK secretly wants to move all the way to sass instead of scss, but that is a bikeshed for the future19:16
zara_the_lemur__so that is likely blocked on someone with more less/sass/css-specific knowledge than I have taking a look19:17
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zara_the_lemur__well, nobody will fight you but that's probably blocked for the same reason19:17
zara_the_lemur__I said I would look at removing some story_types things  so we could move toward flattening our db migrations19:18
zara_the_lemur__then suddenly it was this meeting19:18
zara_the_lemur__so... I haven't even started that.19:18
zara_the_lemur__and now there are board speed patches to try....19:18
zara_the_lemur__oh, but since they're not ready19:19
zara_the_lemur__maybe I can do some work on that tonight19:19
zara_the_lemur__I'll do that, then, and salvage some pride19:20
SotKyou can still sample the speed if you like19:20
SotKyou just get the wrong story count19:20
zara_the_lemur__okay, I'll do that (I want to see it!:D), I just won't test toooo thoroughly yet19:20
zara_the_lemur__I think that's it for in-progress work, so will move on...19:21
zara_the_lemur__#topic Discussion19:21
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* diablo_rojo sneaks in late19:21
zara_the_lemur__#topic Open Discussion19:21
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zara_the_lemur__haha, well now we have a specific section of logs that will just say 'diablo_rojo sneaks in late'19:21
SotKhey diablo_rojo19:21
diablo_rojoGot distracted by other things19:21
zara_the_lemur__np :)19:22
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zara_the_lemur__I don't have a lot to discuss, am wondering if we should be doing other Boston things.19:22
diablo_rojoSo, I have reviews I need to do is what I gather from the scrollback19:22
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zara_the_lemur__:) 'need' might be a bit strong where things are being reworked19:23
zara_the_lemur__OH ACTUALLY WAIT19:23
zara_the_lemur__I forgot that19:23
zara_the_lemur__that is waiting on +1s19:24
zara_the_lemur__it has a +2 from me19:24
zara_the_lemur__dmsimard raised it some time ago19:24
zara_the_lemur__(3 weeks, ish)19:24
zara_the_lemur__it fixes a bug in search19:24
diablo_rojoI got a new patchset up for my branch handling19:24
diablo_rojocould use some more comments19:24
diablo_rojoGetting closer I think.19:24
* SotK will attempt to find time to comment19:25
SotKlooked much closer at a glance earlier19:25
zara_the_lemur__ah cool, I linked to it but wasn't sure if you were soliciting comments on it yet19:25
diablo_rojoYes please :)19:25
* zara_the_lemur__ links again19:25
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zara_the_lemur__ooh, I like the approach to splitting those urls, suspect you might find they start with a /19:28
zara_the_lemur__(just ran something similar in an editor)19:28
zara_the_lemur__(am worst chair ever)19:28
zara_the_lemur__(since I was like 'oh hey that's a nice way of doing it')19:28
diablo_rojoYeah I need to make a few more tweaks there, I just threw that in as a starting poitn19:28
zara_the_lemur__(so then wanted to check if it'd work before I publicly embarrassed myself going 'that's nice' if it didn't work at allxD)19:29
zara_the_lemur__(/end context)19:29
zara_the_lemur__it's looking good at a glance :)19:29
diablo_rojoCoolio. If I get comments in the next day or so I can hopefully get a new patch out Friday since I will be gone next week19:31
* SotK will do hos best19:31
zara_the_lemur__okay, prod me if you haven't heard anything from me on Fri and I'll try to at least get something up then19:31
diablo_rojoSounds good.19:32
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zara_the_lemur__I don't think I have anything else to discuss today + am wary of keeping folk longer than necessary19:32
zara_the_lemur__so if nobody has anything else to bring up, I'll end the meeting in the next couple of minutes19:33
diablo_rojoEverything is good to go for Monday so I think we are good.19:33
zara_the_lemur__thanks (and thanks fungi for volunteering to be around!)19:33
SotKyes, thank you!19:34
fungii'm around anyway ;)19:34
fungibut happy to take that on19:34
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zara_the_lemur__tailor my thanks accordingly, then :D19:34
diablo_rojoYes yes thank you fungi :)19:34
zara_the_lemur__welp, adam's left us for the stage once more, so with that...19:36
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zara_the_lemur__thanks, everyone :)19:36
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ekhugen_alt#startmeeting wos_mentoring20:01
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ekhugen_altHi Nicole_!  Who else is here for wos_mentoring?20:01
Nicole_hi emily!20:01
Nicole_hi megan!20:01
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Nicole_hi diablo-rojo!20:02
ekhugen_altHi Megan20:02
ekhugen_altHi Kendall!20:02
ekhugen_altanyone else snowed in?20:03
Nicole_no, it looks like all of our snow (in oregon) headed your way!20:03
MeganRI'm in NYC - not snowed in, but wow it is cold!20:03
ekhugen_altI don't think we need anymore, we got 30" yesterday20:03
MeganRin Virginia we only had about 4 inches20:03
ekhugen_altyeah, everyone said we were going to be on the edge of it and we ended up right in the middle20:04
diablo_rojoHad like six inches Sunday but it didnt last20:04
knangiahi everyone :)20:05
knangiasorry for being late20:05
ekhugen_altHi Khanak! no worries20:05
knangiatalking about weather, I'm in TX, no snow :D20:05
ekhugen_altI think we can ship some around :-D20:06
Nicole_it has felt like the never-ending winter out in oregon!20:06
ekhugen_altNicole_ have you had a lot of snowstorms?20:06
Nicole_yep! far more than usual,20:06
MeganRI can't complain, we've had a pretty warm winter in Virginia - guess it all went to Nicole!  :)20:06
Nicole_usually, we only have max. 3 days of snow. but, this year we've had 3 weeks!20:07
knangiaekhugen_alt:  :p20:07
ekhugen_altoh wow, that is a lot!20:07
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ekhugen_alt#topic Boston Planning20:07
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Nicole_yes, no one is used to it out where i am. so many days of cancelled school days for my little one!20:07
ekhugen_altaww, that's too bad, and then they have to go into the summer20:08
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ekhugen_altanyway, hopefully it will be warm and beautiful by the time of the Boston summit20:09
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diablo_rojoIt'll be warmer than here.20:09
ekhugen_altyeah, it must be frigid in MN right now diablo_rojo20:09
diablo_rojoNo colder than normal20:10
diablo_rojobut everything except Alaska is better than here20:10
* ekhugen_alt thinks that's probably a lot colder than she could handle20:10
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diablo_rojoIts like 33 today so much warmer than it has been20:10
ekhugen_altoh that is not bad actually20:11
diablo_rojoNot at all. Had the windows open for a while actually :)20:11
ekhugen_altokay, that's not *that* warm20:11
diablo_rojoAnywho, sorry to derail :)20:11
MeganRlol - barely above freezing, but really not bad!  :)20:11
diablo_rojoMeganR, true statement :)20:12
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ekhugen_altI think on Boston planning maybe the main topic is the call for mentors20:12
ekhugen_altdid we get any signups on the form diablo_rojo?20:12
knangiaso how many responses we received ?20:12
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diablo_rojoWe have 10 mentors20:13
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diablo_rojoPretty good :)20:13
knangianice :)20:13
ekhugen_altthat is pretty good for the first week after the call20:13
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Nicole_yeah, that's great!20:13
ekhugen_altI know nicole at the foundation contacted me about a superuser article too20:14
ekhugen_altso hopefully that will drive some more signups when it comes out20:14
Nicole_oh, that's awesome!20:14
diablo_rojoYeah it definitely will get us a few more20:14
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ekhugen_altso does anyone have any other ideas for advertising the call for mentors?20:15
ekhugen_altI think Nicole_ and I put some tweets out that people retweeted, which awesome, thanks!20:15
knangiaI can advertise here at OSIC and try getting people signed up20:16
ekhugen_altthat would be great, thank you knangia!20:16
MeganRdo we have any specific areas of interest already identified - for example, questions about Ansible, maybe we should reach out to that team20:16
knangiado we just need women mentors or men are also included ?20:16
diablo_rojoekhugen_alt, I can see if Anne will tweet it from the Openstack handle20:17
knangiaso, whats the target number figure we are aiming for mentors ?20:17
ekhugen_altMeganR I don't think we have any mentee signups yet because that's not out on the schedule, so we don't know that yet20:18
ekhugen_altand knangia we welcome all mentors and mentees20:18
diablo_rojoI just need to know what info you want in the tweet20:18
MeganRok, ty20:18
ekhugen_altI think we were thinking 20-25 mentors would be great (I think in Austin we had about 20 and that was around our max)20:19
diablo_rojoHalfway there then.20:19
ekhugen_altI told Nicole (foundation nicole) that we wanted signups by April 17, since we were thinking of holding the mentor prep call that week, right Nicole_?20:19
Nicole_and we're making sure that we're inclusive of both women & men mentors -- baseball cards & caps to distinguish them.20:20
ekhugen_altso for the tweet basically we're just looking for any experienced stackers looking to share their advice who don't mind getting up early20:21
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diablo_rojoLol got it20:21
ekhugen_altfor a monday breakfast speed mentoring session, sign up on the form?20:21
diablo_rojoI will pass that along20:22
diablo_rojoGot the link handy by chance?20:22
diablo_rojoSweet I'm on it20:23
ekhugen_altty diablo_rojo20:23
diablo_rojoekhugen_alt, np20:23
Nicole_who are the 10 that signed up as mentors?20:24
Nicole_i'm thinking about reaching out to others at intel who have either participated before, or who i think would be great mentors to ask them to participate20:24
Nicole_and also others across the community ...20:25
ekhugen_altgood idea Nicole_!20:25
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Nicole_question about the mentor baseball caps ...20:26
Nicole_i'm thinking about whether or not to put a "mentor" designation on them.20:26
knangiai just posted on slack, hoping for more sign ups20:27
ekhugen_altI like the idea of having mentor on them20:27
MeganR+1 for adding Mentor to the hats, great idea20:27
Nicole_how many (quantity) should we produce?20:27
Nicole_am thinking that, if wanted to, we could give them to a broader set of people ... will explain ...20:28
ekhugen_altmaybe 25?20:28
diablo_rojoAnne is drafting the tweet now20:28
Nicole_though i'd like to, i haven't started getting involved in the broader mentor work group activities beyond the summit yet. are there others who have served as mentors that would make sense to add to our numbers. we could give them hats as well. am thinking it would be a great community-building notion.20:28
Nicole_would that make sense?20:29
MeganRI like that idea, makes sense and is a great gesture20:30
Nicole_so, if you're a part of the mentor workgroup &  have served as a mentor, you would get a cap. your thoughts?20:30
ekhugen_altthat is a really good idea, there are mentors who have helped with upstream and also the longer term mentoring20:30
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Nicole_i would just need the number to provide to the vendor who is producing the caps for us.20:31
knangiagood idea Nicole_20:31
ekhugen_altI think ildikov probably knows more about how many we have for upstream20:31
Nicole_ok, i can check with her.20:32
ekhugen_altand the longer term mentoring, it's kind of petered out, but we had 10 mentor/mentee pairs in the last round of that20:32
Nicole_ah, ildikouv is on the call! :)20:32
ildikovNicole_: only on IRC20:32
Nicole_sorry, yes, that's what i meant!20:33
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ildikovNicole_: but if the question is coaches/mentors for the training in Boston, we're building a team to help out with that, I'm filling up a wiki page to capture volunteers20:33
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ildikovNicole_: I will be more up to date with numbers once we managed to catch up with the availability of people for the on-site training in Boston20:34
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Nicole_i'm actually talking about the mentor workgroup community as a whole. those who will be in boston, plus those who may not be.20:34
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ildikovI will also drop a mail to the mailing lists about it once I'm done with the wiki, so you'll have the training related data visible20:35
ildikovlook for the os-university tag20:35
ildikovNicole_: got it20:35
Nicole_those folks who are part of the mentor workgroup community & have served as a mentor -- either through speed mentoring, long term mentoring, upstream mentoring, etc. --20:35
ekhugen_altwould that include outreachy mentors too?20:35
Nicole_am thinking they should all receive a cap.20:35
Nicole_are the outreachy mentors part of the larger mentor workgroup? i'm less familiar with outreachy.20:36
ildikovNicole_: we can add that data to this wiki as well if we have overlapping20:36
Nicole_ok, cool!20:36
ekhugen_altI don't know that we have a really organized "mentoring workgroup"20:36
ekhugen_altI mean, we have this one that deals with speed mentoring and the long term mentoring and then we talk with the upstream training because we have mentor overlap at the summits20:37
ekhugen_altand then victoria (vkmc) I think still runs the outreachy stuff?20:38
Nicole_ok, let's figure out, taking a look at all of the mentors through all of these different teams/groups, how many there are.20:38
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Nicole_it may be possible to provide them all with a cap.20:38
Nicole_to encourage mentorship within the broader openstack community.20:39
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ekhugen_altokay, I think between all our matches for long term mentoring we might've had 60 mentors tops (we were less organized in earlier rounds so I think some people signed up and never responded).  Speed mentoring we had 20 in Austin and then 10 in Barcelona about20:41
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ekhugen_altI can send you victoria's email if you want to include the outreachy mentors20:42
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ekhugen_altso anything else on Boston planning?20:48
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Nicole_sorry ... got pulled away momentarily ...20:50
Nicole_yes, please send me victoria's email & i'll reach out to her.20:51
Nicole_so, emily, you think we'll end up with a total of 60?20:52
Nicole_am wondering if i should begin to put a list of mentors together so that we can ensure a good total number without overlap?20:52
MeganRthat's a good idea, do you want extra for future events?20:53
diablo_rojoNicole_, +120:54
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ekhugen_altI mean, I think we have a decent amount of overlap so 50-60 should probably be enough, I don't know how many there are for outreachy20:55
Nicole_yes, megan, i'm thinking extras would be great!20:55
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ekhugen_altI can pull together a list later this week of the ones from long term + past speed mentoring events20:56
ekhugen_altand send that to you maybe friday?20:56
Nicole_fantastic, emily! and i'll reach out to victoria about the number from outreachy.20:56
Nicole_(once i get her email :))20:56
Nicole_kendall, can we also get a list of those who have signed up for mentors in boston? i think you said it was 10. i can do some personal outreach to folks, but don't want to overlap.20:57
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ekhugen_altokay, I think I have to close the meeting now but thanks everyone!20:59
ekhugen_altand stay warm!20:59
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notmynamethanks ekhugen_alt20:59
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notmynameswift team meeting time21:00
notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
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notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
notmynameclayg: around? we're going to talk about the rebalance stuff21:01
jungleboyjNow that I am not an hour early.21:01
notmynamejungleboyj: :-)21:01
jungleboyjTime change is truly messing with me this year.21:01
notmynamewelcome everyone21:02
notmynamewe've got some interesting and important stuff to cover this week21:02
notmynamefirst up, although she's asleep right now, I'd like to welcome mahatic to the swift core team21:02
cschwede\o/ great news, welcome Mahati!21:03
acolescongrats Mahati21:04
claygpart time freak out woooo21:04
notmyname#topic awareness patches21:04
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notmynametwo patches to make you aware of, and need gerrit attention, but I don't think they need big discussion in here21:04
notmynamefirst, patch to close a critical bug21:05
notmynameso please review that one21:05
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notmynameclayg and mahatic and zaitcev have been looking. thanks21:05
zaitcevI did but I didn't realize it was critical.21:05
notmynamesecond, thurloat has proposed a patch to make an API to undelete accounts that have been marked as deleted21:06
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claygomg timezones suck so much - the globe is HUGE21:06
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notmynamewe've said for about 7 years that we should have an API for this, and thurloat actually took the initiative and put together a patch21:06
notmynameI know that several of us have run in to needing this from time to time21:07
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notmynameso which I don't think it's a time-critical thing to review, I think it's very important to review from the perspective of the API we want21:07
claygis thurloat around?  if patch 445160 works I'm pretty interested?21:07
notmynamethis patch adds a header to a proxy PUT verb. maybe that's great. maybe it's not21:07
notmynamebut we need to look at it and write down thoughts in gerrit21:08
claygI'm always scared to start a review on a big deal from a new contributor tho (no offense!)21:08
notmynamehe's in -swift, but not here right now21:08
notmynameand IIRC he's in an EU timezone21:08
notmynameanyway, like I said, needs eyes from an API perspective21:08
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notmynameok, let's move on to the bigger stuff21:09
notmyname#topic hummingbird->golang->rebalance->oh my! status21:09
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notmynamelast week I said I'd come this week with something written up on this topic: what's going on with golang/hummingbird/etc21:10
notmynamethere's a couple of things that you shoudl read, but start with this one...21:10
notmynameclayg also wrote up a lot of info in an etherpad that's on the ideas page and linked in my wiki page21:10
notmynamehere's the basic summary21:11
notmynamefirst, golang or not golang, that doesn't matter. language is a tool to solve problems21:11
notmynameand the problem is that rebalances and latency and ops overhead for these are bad21:11
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notmynamewe know several reasons why these things are bad21:12
claygsorry what happened now21:12
claygyeah!  we want big fast and stupid easy!21:12
notmynameeg with rsync, we aren't in the data path. and we don't do a good job of scheduling partition movement. and eventlet's hub is bad for disk IO21:12
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notmynameand we've talked about a lot of different ways to help solve these problems21:13
notmynameone of which is rewriting stuff in golang21:13
notmynamethis is the essence of what needs to get done:21:13
claygstupid eventlet hub and blocking operations - it says right on the tin don't use this if you do blocking io - why'd we do it then!?21:13
notmyname1) we need a better protocol for moving data between storage nodes21:13
notmyname2) we need a better way to schedule the work that needs to be done (eg moving a partition or hashing directories)21:14
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notmyname3) we need a standard protocol for proxy<->storage node communication that doesn't depend on our custom additions to it (I'm looking at you, 100-headers21:14
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notmyname4) we need a better way to do network-to-disk-and-back operations21:15
notmynamethat's it. that's the four things21:15
* clayg waves at torgomatic 21:15
notmynameand to be clear, golang is still part of the solution21:15
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notmynamenumber 4 is solved with a golang object server21:15
zaitcevbut rebalance is in replicator, isn't it? Why is proxy-storage commication important?21:15
notmynamezaitcev: its' both repl and ec21:16
notmynamejust moving parts to the right place21:16
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notmynameproxy->storage matters for EC and for crypto21:16
kota_MIME prroglem?21:16
notmynameand we can't rewrite the object server in golang and not change the protocol unless we also modify standard golang libraries for doing http21:16
claygaww man I didn't know what a prroglem was - but I definately thought we had one and didn't want it21:17
notmynameso if instead we use a protocol that's more supported across different languages, we can actually solve the problems in the object server more easily21:17
zaitcevkota_: Go supports MIME and 100-continue, but not the way we use them, in partcular extra headers for the 100 reply.21:17
notmynamein other words, the proxy->object protocol isn't itself crucial, but it's needed to vastly simplify the work needed to rewrite the object server21:18
kota_clayg, zaitcev: ok21:18
claygzaitcev: can you send a second 100-continue in the middle of a chunked transfer?!21:18
notmynamekota_: yep. the MIME stuff21:18
notmynameincluding the 100-continue stuff21:18
notmynameso that's why we need the new proxy<->storage protocol21:18
notmynamealso, I know I'm saying "storage" instead of "object". only to keep in mind longer-term stuff that may include account/container. but object server is definitely the first thing21:19
clayg*I* don't like the MIME stuff - it's *technically* pretty ok - don't confuse the 100-continue stuff that is acctually wrong, witht he 100-continue stuff that is just annoying, with the MIME stuff that is basically fine except clayg misses curl21:19
notmynameclayg: :-)21:19
zaitcevclayg: no, the runtime decides when to sent one. But it seems to do it just where we otherwise want it, so no issue that I found. The only problem is that it's not possible to negotiate with our extra headers.21:20
claygunless we *all* miss curl - in which case - heck yeah stupid MIME!21:20
notmynamethe point is, something that actually works without our upstream patches to eventlet is what we want21:20
zaitcevI generate MIME body and feed it to curl21:20
notmynameok, I'm going to rush ahead, then stop for questions21:20
claygzaitcev: that doesn't sound corect - the *big* problem - the part that's *wrong* is the pause in the middle of the EC stream after sending the body waiting on the 100 continue to send the rest of the MIME document indicating the commit bit21:21
notmynameso to get there (how do we get there john?), here's what we do....21:21
notmynamefirst (or zeroth, in the wiki page) is that we realize that the hummingbird branch is great R&D and POC. but it's not something we're going to add to and eventually merge with master21:22
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claygzaitcev: do you have MIME generating wrapper thing that you can use with pipes like `cat data | python | curl <args>`!?21:22
notmynamenext, clayg's already been hard at work getting reconstruction and replication to a point where it's not a "hair on fire" situation when someone has big rebalance problems21:22
notmynamethat's pretty much done for replication and close for reconstruction21:22
zaitcevclayg: I captured it with wireshark once.... Sorry, not a generated one.21:23
claygzaitcev: ack21:23
notmynameafter that, we need to make a better scheduler for the rebalance work (initially farming work to rsync or ssync), then we make "tsync"21:23
claygnotmyname: wfm, ain't no body been trying to merge hummingbird anyway near as I can tell21:24
notmynameclayg has written a bunch on tsync (see the link in the wiki), and the basic idea here is that it uses http2+grpc (ie common stuff that's not NIH swift team wire protocols)21:24
notmynamealongside the scheduler and tsync work, we need a golang object server that's feature complete21:24
notmynameand we need to do the infra/devstack/testing/etc work to make sure golang is consumable in openstack21:25
notmynamemuch of this is paralellizable21:25
claygoh "written a bunch *on* tsync" like "about" not "written a bunch *of* tsync"21:25
notmynameyou're pretty much done right? ;-)21:25
claygyeah I like that we can work on fixing rebalance seperately from fixing the object-server problem21:26
notmynamethat (the pages of ranting I just did) is where we are with solving one of the biggest problems in swift today, and golang is part of the overall solution to it21:26
claygAnd I like that going with something like gRPC could make it a bunch easier to migrate the rebalance engine to golang piecemeal21:27
notmynameand that's a basic walkthrough of the wiki page21:27
notmynamewhat questions do you have? :-)21:27
claygand I like the idea of defining the swift consistency protocol seperately from the implementation21:27
claygthis is a pretty good idea actually notmyname - kudos!21:27
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notmynameclayg: well you helped me finish it up yesterday :-)21:27
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zaitcev"hummingbird branch is ... not something we're going to add to and eventually merge with master" - so, what is?21:28
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notmynamezaitcev: I fully expect that some parts of hummingbird will be able to be reused21:28
notmynameas of this moment, that is undefined (ie what branch that will go on)21:28
rledisezis there somewhere any kind of functional tests for object server that could be used in checking golang object-server is complete?21:29
claygzaitcev: you might be asking "what is the first patch that adds golang to swift master going to be" (it's a good question - do we know?)21:29
claygrledisez: no, and it's been an annoying gap since we started talking about a hard rewrite of the object server21:29
notmynamerledisez: so far all we have are the probe tests and functests. (ie not complete)21:29
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acolesrledisez: I have had same thought, it would be a great thing to have21:30
rledisezclayg, notmyname: at some point we will need some for our diskfile implem, so we will certainly start the work on that in the following weeks21:30
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notmynamerledisez: yep!21:30
claygrledisez: oh some direct object server tests21:31
notmynamerledisez: oh wait? are you saying you'll start on the diskfile stuff? or the tests?21:31
claygrledisez: for testing current diskfile vs. your implementation21:31
rlediseznotmyname: start working on tests, to test the diskfile we’re working on21:32
claygwe should start an etherpad to brainstorm requirements for that test suite21:32
rledisezcompared to the original21:32
claygis there a bot that will put rledisez on the hook to start that etherpad?21:32
notmynameI'll ask notmynamebot21:32
acolesrledisez: there are some unit tests that make requests to a port on localhost, IDK if they could be re-used somehow21:33
claygshit.. now i'm thinking about rledisez's diskfile and entrypoints21:33
claygstay focused clayg21:33
claygnotmyname: zaitcev: I think there is an open and important question "what is the expected first golang patch to swift"21:33
rledisezclayg: stay focused, but we started today about entry points ;)21:33
notmynamewhat other questions are therE?21:33
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notmynameclayg: yeah. I don't think we know21:34
zaitcevclarkb: I think notmyname just said "undefined" to that.21:34
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notmynamewe've talked about finding something tiny (eg a simple CLI script) to rewrite in golang just to test the mechanics21:34
notmynameto get all the infra mechanics out of the way without it blocking a major patch21:34
notmynamebut beyond that, undefined at the moment21:35
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notmynamein general, though, does this make sense to everyone? specifically, the problem, the different parts of the solution, and how golang fits in?21:35
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claygi don't immediately love the idea of re-writing some trivial component in golang just to prove it's doable - that runs pretty counter to my expectation we'd push back on rewrites just for the sake of rewrites :\21:36
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notmynameclayg: I think it depends on how much of the infrastructure is in our repo vs external21:37
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acolesit's helpful to have the problem/solution broken down into the contributing parts - thanks for the write-ups notmyname and clayg21:37
mattoliverauI had the idea that the thing we use to test the waters is something like logging, that we can extract from say golang, and would build bridges (and be small to make sense) because is could be the golong oslo.logging or config.. pick one.21:37
notmynameif it's all in the swift repo (eg devstack plugin etc), then we can pretty easily avoid gratuitous rewrite21:37
notmynamemattoliverau: I think that's what some of the golang-commons has proposed21:38
notmynamewait. reoder that sentence21:38
notmynameI think that's what some of the proposed golang-commons is about21:39
claygi think we avoid a bunch of friction if we only golang stuff that's not tested/required in devstack21:39
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notmynamethere's a huge amount of questions like this that will come up. and that we can't answer right now21:39
notmynameright now I want to make sure people understand the general idea as presented and if there are any immediate concerns21:40
claygthere is a bunch of questions about "how does openstack golang" that are orthogonal to "how does openstack use a swift that doesn't have a python object server"21:40
clayglike openstack has a way that it doesn't requirements and dependencies and configs and talk to database and access DLM's and ... not all of that effects us21:41
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claygthe part that is really sticky is the stuff that "deploys openstack" that has to change dramatically21:41
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notmynameon the openstack side, I've asked tdasilva and cschwede to help me by working on a TC resolution for the flavio process.21:41
mattoliveraumy point is, find a small bit that we can work though all the testing and golong openstack problems, get it right, something huge would take too long, and something useless doesn't help as much but a part of the overall thing is what we want..21:42
cschwedenotmyname: tdasilva is mostly working on this atm, he just sent me a proposal21:42
clayghistorically we've been pretty slow to go update that stuff to setup multiple storage policies, multipl regions, ec, encryption - if we change fundementally how swift is deployed from source - we might have to play ball a little more21:42
notmynameclayg: and I want to start talking to other projects about that asap. I'll probably bug mattoliverau about ansible and cschwede about tripleo and find others for other projects21:42
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mattoliveraubut anyway sure, this can be moved to a etherpad or out of meeting :)21:42
notmynameyeah, I want to get to acoles's topic too :-)21:42
notmynameso.. everyone excited? terrified? wheeee!21:43
notmynameok, mental context shift coming21:43
notmyname#topic composite rings, how to best expose building in a CLI21:44
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notmynameacoles: this is your topic. what's up?21:44
mattoliverauI'm terri-wheeed21:44
claygI think zaitcev has the skepticism about the golang object server replacement - but i'm not 100% sure why - we essentially need to rewrite the object server and we have a working example in hummingbird21:44
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acolesok, so Kota has been doing great work on global EC, we now have experimental support for duplication of frags...21:44
notmynameyay kota_21:45
claygso awesome21:45
acolesand his next patch (well one of them ) is composite rings
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acolesand we've an etherpad going to discuss some of the issues around that
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notmyname(for the bots)21:45
kota_thanks acoles to sketch the issues there21:46
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acolesone particular issue we've been discussing is how best to expose the composition of rings on a CLI, and whether any state needs to be maintained about the composite ring21:46
claygyup etherpads + acoles == awesomesause21:47
acoles(see the etherpad...)21:47
claygacoles: it's a *long* etherpad?  at somepoint it even gets into other global-ec metaissues21:47
claygdo you want people to go read it now?  are you just raising awareness?21:48
acolesand even whether we need at this point in time to put CLI support in place or just have the functions available for people to use if they want to compose rings21:48
notmynameacoles: kota_: great. do we have a particular question or thing to decide in the meeting, or do we follow up next week after people have read it?21:48
acolesNo, don't read it now,21:48
acolesI'm raising awareness and seeking any opinions on the etherpad21:48
notmynameok, great. I'll bring it up again next week to make sure we've collected input and see where we are21:49
notmynameacoles: is there anything else on that topic for today's meeting?21:49
acolesjust that specific thing that's been discussed is whether we add support for this to swift-ring-builder, or have another CLI, or ... ? so if you have opinions on that please add them21:50
claygcschwede: I'm particuarlly interested if you could spare some braincells on the UX for managing composite and component rings - I feel like you have a lot of relevant experience to draw from21:50
acoles+1 that^^21:51
notmynameacoles: thanks for bringing it up21:51
notmyname#topic open discussion21:52
claygacoles + etherpads == awesomesause - it is known21:52
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notmynameplease remember to register for the summit, if you're going21:52
mattoliverauclayg: we should get that on a t-shirt21:52
notmynamethere's an etherpad with topics we'd like to see discussed...21:52
acolesclayg: I kinda hate them actually !21:52
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zaitcevI'm just back from PTG. Seems like Too Soon.21:53
notmynameplease update the etherpad. we've got about 5 days before people will pull from that to make topics and schedules21:53
mattoliverauacoles: that just means you bring the aweswomesauce. . or shouhld I say you can spell awesomesauce without acoles ;)21:53
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notmynameanything else to bring up this week in the meeting? any more follow up from a previous topic? we've got about 5 minutes more21:54
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mattoliverauOr regisiter for the forum while it's free (if you were at PTG).. and then hope to come (I'm in this boat)21:55
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notmynameif you need a ticket and didn't get a free one, please ping me. I might be able to find one or two21:55
notmynameanything else? shall we end a few minutes early?21:56
mattoliverauearly mark! (or should I say breakfast)21:56
acolesnotmyname: clayg are you planning to add a forum topic on rebalance-awesomeness work?21:56
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jungleboyjFor those of you that are having trouble getting management backing there was a note that came out from the foundation explaining why technical representation was important.21:57
jungleboyjCheck my twitter feed @jungleboyj or the @openstack feed for the link.21:57
notmynamethe forum topics need to be operator-focussed, so we;ll try to add one phrased like that21:57
notmynamejungleboyj: got it handy now?21:57
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* jungleboyj looks quick.21:57
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acolesnotmyname: yes, might need a different slant than the wiki content21:58
notmynameacoles: definitely21:58
zaitcev"ops who has rebalances running more than 72 hours after a drive replacement please register to this session"21:58
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notmynamethank you for your hard work on swift. the project is better because of everyone here21:58
notmynamehave a good rest of your day!21:59
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jungleboyjFound it:
jungleboyjnotmyname:  Welcome.  I thought I had retweeted it.  Was wrong.  :-)21:59
notmynamejungleboyj: I put it in -swift22:00
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notmynameI was looking for that a while back and didn't find it22:00
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jrichlii think i retweeted it22:00
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jrichlinotmyname: i do retweet to support something ;-)22:01
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jungleboyjSo do I!  :-)22:01
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