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| gongysh | hi | 05:29 |
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| gongysh | hi | 05:30 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 05:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 15 05:30:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 05:30 |
| JimmyYe2528 | hi | 05:30 |
| YanXing_an | o/ | 05:30 |
| gongysh | #topic roll call | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:30 | |
| JimmyYe2528 | o/ | 05:30 |
| tung_doan | hi all | 05:30 |
| jeremy_chang | ... | 05:30 |
| gongysh | who are you guys are here for tacker meeting? | 05:30 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, hi | 05:31 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, hello | 05:31 |
| gongysh | JimmyYe2528, YanXing_an , tung_doan , jeremy_chang , dkushwaha welcome to tacker meeting | 05:31 |
| YanXing_an | welcome, jeremy_chang. He is also from china mobile. | 05:31 |
| JimmyYe2528 | hi all | 05:32 |
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| gongysh | ok | 05:32 |
| tbh | o/ | 05:32 |
| diga | o/ | 05:32 |
| gongysh | tbh, diga hi | 05:32 |
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| diga | gongysh: hello | 05:33 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, sorry I missed last 2 weekly meetings. Just joined office now | 05:33 |
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| tbh | hi gongysh | 05:33 |
| tung_doan | welcome jeremy_chang | 05:33 |
| gongysh | #topic agenda | 05:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:33 | |
| gongysh | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_March_15th.2C_2017 | 05:33 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram is absent from today's meeting. | 05:34 |
| gongysh | so if anyone, in particular the core reviewers, are absent, please put names in agenda. | 05:34 |
| gongysh | thanks | 05:34 |
| tung_doan | miss you dkushwaha :) | 05:34 |
| gongysh | #topic announcement | 05:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcement (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:35 | |
| dkushwaha | tung_doan, :) | 05:35 |
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| gongysh | we have done a reservation on Project Onboarding Rooms | 05:35 |
| gongysh | so who are you guys going to summit? | 05:35 |
| diga | o/ | 05:36 |
| gongysh | none? | 05:36 |
| diga | I will be attending summit this time | 05:36 |
| gongysh | +1 diga | 05:36 |
| tbh | I haven't decided yet | 05:36 |
| gongysh | +1 me. I will go. | 05:37 |
| tbh | I will let you know, once it is confirmed | 05:37 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh, not sure | 05:37 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, once sure, let team know. | 05:37 |
| gongysh | thanks | 05:37 |
| gongysh | does someone get topic on tacker accepted? | 05:38 |
| diga | I think everyone is waiting for OS travel support confirmation :) | 05:38 |
| gongysh | diga, :) | 05:38 |
| diga | Not for VIM support submission | 05:38 |
| gongysh | it seems we have no tacker topic this time. | 05:39 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, tbh our topic on nsd is not selected. | 05:39 |
| gongysh | ok, that is for summit subject. | 05:39 |
| gongysh | #topic review stats | 05:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review stats (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:40 | |
| diga | gongysh: Tacker is core project & still no submission is accepted by OS team, I think we should raise this to OpenStack support team | 05:40 |
| gongysh | hi guys, I want the team know we will promote core members that is active in reviewing. | 05:40 |
| dkushwaha | diga, +1 | 05:40 |
| gongysh | diga, I will try to complain. but I don't think core project topic will be accept. | 05:41 |
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| gongysh | http://stackalytics.com/?module=tacker-group | 05:42 |
| diga | gongysh: Every core project topic has got at least one submission acceptance, may be we should try to reach right person to raise our concern | 05:42 |
| gongysh | our data is improving, but need more efforts. | 05:43 |
| diga | gongysh: I will try to improve my reviews, as I haven't got time last week | 05:43 |
| gongysh | diga, ok, I will try to ask someone for the topic acceptance. | 05:43 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, tbh, about review, please keep up. | 05:44 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: multi-VIM and NSD are good candidate for Pike I think | 05:44 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, yes sure, I will improve it | 05:45 |
| tbh | gongysh, I am improving from the last week, I will put more efforts for reviews | 05:45 |
| gongysh | tbh, dkushwaha , thanks | 05:45 |
| gongysh | let's move to next topic | 05:45 |
| gongysh | #features | 05:45 |
| gongysh | #topic features and bp | 05:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "features and bp (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:45 | |
| gongysh | First one I want to talk is task scheduling framework | 05:46 |
| gongysh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443719/ | 05:46 |
| gongysh | please have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443719/14/doc/source/devref/task_scheduling_framework.rst | 05:47 |
| gongysh | I have put steps to show how to run the scheduling | 05:47 |
| gongysh | and how to write task agent. | 05:47 |
| diga | gongysh: Have we finalized zookeeper for task scheduling ? | 05:48 |
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| gongysh | diga, I think we will use the zookeeper with 85 chance now. | 05:48 |
| diga | gongysh: okay | 05:48 |
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| gongysh | diga, and need you guys provide more comments if we have better candidates. | 05:49 |
| gongysh | if no, we have to move foreward. | 05:49 |
| tbh | gongysh, I need to look to zk more, but I have on doubt, if the task is assigned to worker, and worker is dead in between working on the task, does the scheduler assign the task to other worker? | 05:49 |
| gongysh | tbh, you can see the design rule at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443719/14/doc/source/devref/task_scheduling_framework.rst. | 05:50 |
| diga | gongysh: no problem, it is strong framework. Kafka and etc tools are already using it behind the scene | 05:50 |
| gongysh | any one can go and come easily. | 05:50 |
| tbh | ok | 05:51 |
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| gongysh | tbh, and dkushwaha , we should put the scheduling bp in at P1 | 05:51 |
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| gongysh | and we will start to move vim and vnf related long live jobs. | 05:51 |
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| tbh | sure | 05:52 |
| gongysh | and for short life task, such as scaling job, I think we should move to mistral. | 05:52 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, sure | 05:53 |
| gongysh | ok this is for task scheduling bp. | 05:53 |
| gongysh | and for NSD BP | 05:53 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, do you have update? | 05:53 |
| tung_doan | dkushwaha: I know symmetric chain was update in network sfc. This is also nice to have | 05:54 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, that is for vnffgd | 05:54 |
| gongysh | if you are interested in it, tung_doan you can put a patch. | 05:55 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, no update. I will put initial patch within 1 2 days | 05:55 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: we have plan to support vnffg for nsd. it is nice to go parallel | 05:55 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, I have to resume it | 05:56 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, yes. | 05:56 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, wait for your nsd update next meeting. thanks | 05:56 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, sure | 05:57 |
| gongysh | diga, do you want to share the progress of API? | 05:57 |
| diga | gongysh: I have fixed issues yesterday on falcon, | 05:57 |
| gongysh | diga, yes, that is a progress | 05:58 |
| diga | gongysh: I am working on attribute validation & wsgi addition, will push PS by today EOD | 05:58 |
| diga | gongysh: I had discussion with ttx in the last week, he guided to use apache if possible | 05:58 |
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| gongysh | diga, you can do a small API, for example VIM register API first. | 05:59 |
| diga | gongysh: yeah | 05:59 |
| gongysh | diga, let us know what it will look like in your new API framework. | 05:59 |
| diga | gongysh: sure | 05:59 |
| gongysh | diga, thanks | 05:59 |
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| diga | gongysh: welcome! | 05:59 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, I know you are active at policy part of tacker | 06:00 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: yes,, just try my best :) | 06:00 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, and please have a look at the new task scheduling framework, and make sure it will meet the needs of policy task. | 06:01 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: sure | 06:01 |
| gongysh | it is the feature part | 06:02 |
| gongysh | #topic bugs | 06:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 06:02 | |
| gongysh | #link https://launchpad.net/tacker/+milestone/pike-1 | 06:02 |
| gongysh | please review the bugs and patches that is in progress | 06:02 |
| gongysh | #topic bugs of vnffg | 06:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs of vnffg (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 06:03 | |
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| gongysh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1668838 | 06:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1668838 in tacker "add vnffg functional tests" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Jimmy.Ye (jimmy.ye) | 06:03 |
| gongysh | I think this bug's patch should guard our vnffgd features. | 06:04 |
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| JimmyYe2528 | I'll try to do it | 06:04 |
| gongysh | so keep our resource on this bug to put it merged as soon as possible. | 06:05 |
| gongysh | another topic is VNFFC CI test. | 06:05 |
| gongysh | the image on tbh's github seems not stable. | 06:06 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh, regarding bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1643576 | 06:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1643576 in tacker "Wrong value set required when passing parameter to VNFD" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to dharmendra (dharmendra-kushwaha) | 06:07 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: this is also failed: https://github.com/openstack/tacker/blob/master/tacker/tests/etc/samples/sample-tosca-vnfd-image.yaml#L22 | 06:07 |
| gongysh | I will have a try to put the images to openstack ci site just like the way kolla is doing. | 06:07 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh, I had put a comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417752/ please check it once you get time | 06:07 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha ok | 06:08 |
| tbh | gongysh, yeah, I am getting mail from github LFS team, about maximum usage of the resources :) | 06:08 |
| gongysh | #action gongysh to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1668838 | 06:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1668838 in tacker "add vnffg functional tests" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Jimmy.Ye (jimmy.ye) | 06:08 |
| gongysh | #action gongysh to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417752/ | 06:09 |
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| gongysh | #action gongysh to look at the way to put tacker vnfc image. | 06:09 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an, hi | 06:10 |
| YanXing_an | hi | 06:10 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, can you have a talk about the bartican solution for vim fernet key? | 06:10 |
| YanXing_an | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445543 | 06:10 |
| YanXing_an | I have reported a draft about using barbican to store vim password. | 06:11 |
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| gongysh | Just like what is said at the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445543 | 06:12 |
| gongysh | we can use barbican to store secret stuff. | 06:13 |
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| YanXing_an | yes, we can use the Secrets API to store the password of VIM | 06:13 |
| gongysh | later we will have other service middle ware to interact with. | 06:13 |
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| gongysh | for example, SDN controller | 06:14 |
| gongysh | we also need store the credentials of those components too. | 06:14 |
| gongysh | so I think barbican is a good solution. | 06:15 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, please report a BP at launchpad and write the spec. thanks | 06:15 |
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| gongysh | other bugs are: | 06:16 |
| YanXing_an | gongsh, okay, i will | 06:16 |
| gongysh | 1. floatingIP ref bug | 06:17 |
| gongysh | floatingip needs changes on three projects, tacker, tosca parser, heat translator | 06:17 |
| gongysh | 2. address pair | 06:17 |
| gongysh | all these are taken by someone. | 06:18 |
| gongysh | 3. one more feature I think makes sense the volume feature | 06:18 |
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| gongysh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422066/ | 06:19 |
| gongysh | if someone wants to take this, welcome | 06:19 |
| gongysh | the BP is here | 06:20 |
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| gongysh | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/persistent-block-storage | 06:20 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, does your team want to take this BP? | 06:20 |
| YanXing_an | i will discuss it with our team | 06:21 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, ok, thanks | 06:21 |
| gongysh | Let's move to next topic | 06:22 |
| gongysh | #topic open discussion | 06:22 |
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| gongysh | there are still 8 mins until the end of meeting. | 06:22 |
| diga | gongysh: As you told, we have got seperate room for Tacker | 06:22 |
| diga | gongysh: is there any schedule we have for 2-3 days | 06:22 |
| diga | in summit ? | 06:22 |
| gongysh | diga, probably. I think. | 06:23 |
| jeremy_chang | gongysh,VNF can be created only by a user with administrator role, is right? | 06:23 |
| diga | Ok | 06:23 |
| gongysh | jeremy_chang, that depends. | 06:23 |
| gongysh | normal users can use existed image, flavor to create VNF. | 06:24 |
| jeremy_chang | OK | 06:24 |
| gongysh | admin user can create VNF which need to create resource on demand: such as flavors | 06:25 |
| gongysh | diga, I will ask summit guys to get know what should be done at forum room. | 06:25 |
| gongysh | and get you guys synced. | 06:26 |
| gongysh | anything else? | 06:26 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: it seems containerized NF bp is neglected. It is really good to consider this bp in Pike. Some folks from opnfv are interested in. | 06:26 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, not neglected. | 06:27 |
| diga | gongysh: sure | 06:27 |
| diga | nothing from my side | 06:27 |
| gongysh | if you have time, you can upload codes. | 06:27 |
| gongysh | but first, put our existing feature stable at top Priority. | 06:28 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: got it. | 06:28 |
| gongysh | P1, P2 milestones are for essentail stuff. | 06:29 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: agree | 06:29 |
| gongysh | ok, core guys, please keep up reviewing. | 06:29 |
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| gongysh | review, review, is core members' main tasks. | 06:29 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 06:30 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 15 06:30:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-03-15-05.30.html | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-03-15-05.30.txt | 06:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-03-15-05.30.log.html | 06:30 |
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| tricircle | hello | 14:01 |
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| zhiyuan | hi | 14:01 |
| Yipei | hi | 14:02 |
| dongfeng | hi | 14:02 |
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| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 15 14:02:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 14:02 |
| joehuang | hello | 14:02 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 14:02 | |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 14:02 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 14:03 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 14:03 |
| fanyishi | #info fanyishi | 14:03 |
| yinxiulin | #info 秀林 | 14:03 |
| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 14:03 |
| RongHui11 | #info ronghui | 14:03 |
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| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 14:03 |
| longxiongqiu | #info longxiongqiu | 14:04 |
| WuCheng | #info WuCheng | 14:04 |
| joehuang | #topic Test coverage requirement | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Test coverage requirement (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 14:04 | |
| joehuang | there is one patch submitted to set threshold for test coverage | 14:04 |
| joehuang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444394/ | 14:04 |
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| joehuang | the current coverage is 71% | 14:05 |
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| joehuang | so all new patch should add enough test code | 14:06 |
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| joehuang | to keep the test coverage >-71% | 14:06 |
| joehuang | if a patch leads to the coverage <71% | 14:07 |
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| joehuang | then the check test will fail | 14:07 |
| longxiongqiu | ok | 14:07 |
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| RongHui11 | got it | 14:08 |
| joehuang | that means each new patch must add test cases to cover more than 71% code, otherwise it'll fail in test | 14:08 |
| dongfeng | will the doc be ignored? | 14:08 |
| joehuang | doc test is another test | 14:08 |
| dongfeng | got it. | 14:09 |
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| joehuang | for new patch, we hope it can reach >90% for its own code | 14:09 |
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| joehuang | that means all branch clauses will be covered as much as possible | 14:10 |
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| joehuang | you can check the coverage of test in each patch, just click the link of tricircle-coverage-ubuntu-xenial-nv | 14:11 |
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| joehuang | then you can find each file coverage test report in the folder "cover" | 14:12 |
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| joehuang | do you have any question to check the coverage report? | 14:12 |
| dongfeng | no for me | 14:13 |
| joehuang | click each file, you can see what tested, what not | 14:13 |
| Yipei | no | 14:13 |
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| RongHui11 | no | 14:14 |
| joehuang | #info for old file, it's encouraged to add test cases to increase the test coverage | 14:14 |
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| joehuang | good, if no question, zhiyuan, I think we can approve this patch | 14:15 |
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| zhiyuan | ok, that's fine | 14:15 |
| joehuang | #topic Pike-1 prioritized patches progress review | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike-1 prioritized patches progress review (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 14:15 | |
| joehuang | #info two patches of VxLAN feature merged | 14:16 |
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| joehuang | #info router az support merged | 14:16 |
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| joehuang | other patches are still in review | 14:17 |
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| joehuang | QoS spec is still in discussion | 14:17 |
| joehuang | VxLAN feature spec is close to merge | 14:18 |
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| RongHui11 | yes we need to speed up the rhythm of the discussion | 14:18 |
| joehuang | do you have topic to discuss for the spec/code patch in review | 14:19 |
| dongfeng | no for me. | 14:19 |
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| zhiyuan | no for me, I will update my patches tomorrow based on the comments | 14:19 |
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| joehuang | tricircleclient patch is close to be ready, I think | 14:20 |
| electrocucaracha | sorry this savings time day | 14:20 |
| electrocucaracha | yes I guess it's | 14:21 |
| joehuang | hello, victor | 14:21 |
| joehuang | o, your time changed | 14:21 |
| joehuang | what's the current time now | 14:21 |
| electrocucaracha | Sindhu told me that she will fix it, but now she is serving as bug deputy in neutron | 14:21 |
| electrocucaracha | 9:21 am | 14:21 |
| joehuang | is it too early for you? or it's good | 14:22 |
| joehuang | understand | 14:22 |
| electrocucaracha | its much better | 14:22 |
| electrocucaracha | hehehe | 14:22 |
| sindhu | yes I will fix it today | 14:22 |
| sindhu | sorry for the delay | 14:22 |
| joehuang | there are several patches are almost close to merge, please have a look | 14:22 |
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| joehuang | to Sindhu, it's ok, not delayed yet :) | 14:23 |
| joehuang | We just discussed that the coverage patch will be merged to look after tricircle code test coverage | 14:24 |
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| joehuang | thanks to victor to bring this one | 14:24 |
| joehuang | really good | 14:24 |
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| electrocucaracha | yeah, and now makes more sense to have coverage jobs | 14:25 |
| electrocucaracha | that validates the code coverage and not the creation of the reports | 14:25 |
| joehuang | +1, it's very helpful, and I saw that the coverage increased from 71% to 72% | 14:26 |
| electrocucaracha | \o/ | 14:26 |
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| joehuang | after Tricircle pike-1 is released, we'd like to have a demo in OPNFV beijing summit | 14:27 |
| joehuang | #topic Demo of VNF high availability across OpenStack with Tricircle in OPNFV Beijing summit | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Demo of VNF high availability across OpenStack with Tricircle in OPNFV Beijing summit (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 14:27 | |
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| joehuang | based on the VxLAN cross Neutron L2 network and allowed address pair | 14:27 |
| joehuang | we can help VNF(telecom application) to realize high availability across OpenStack | 14:28 |
| joehuang | and I discussed with contributors in OPNFV | 14:28 |
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| joehuang | we'd like to setup a demo of this in OPNFV beijing summit, it'll be held in the middle of June | 14:29 |
| joehuang | and plan to integrate tricircle into OPNFV in its E-release | 14:30 |
| joehuang | do you have some questions on this? there is one project in OPNFV called multisite, I am also the PTL of that project | 14:31 |
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| electrocucaracha | joehuang: did you know if those sessions are going to be available online? | 14:33 |
| joehuang | you mean OPNFV summit? | 14:33 |
| electrocucaracha | yes | 14:33 |
| joehuang | last year, video was recorded and published in youtube | 14:34 |
| joehuang | OPNFV is call for presentation for the summit, we may submit a session | 14:34 |
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| joehuang | except the sessions, OPNFV summit also provide expo like that in OpenStack summit | 14:35 |
| joehuang | for expo, no video will be recorded | 14:35 |
| joehuang | If the session was selected, then we can have video published in youtube | 14:36 |
| joehuang | would you like to submit a session together? | 14:36 |
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| electrocucaracha | well, I can try it but I'm not sure that I've fully support of my manager | 14:37 |
| electrocucaracha | anyway, it's something that we can discuss offline | 14:38 |
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| joehuang | ok, let's discuss the session offline | 14:38 |
| joehuang | and one session was selected in OpenStack summit together with telecom NFV WG | 14:38 |
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| joehuang | so I am planning to attend OpenStack Boston summit | 14:39 |
| joehuang | we may meet there | 14:39 |
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| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 14:41 |
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| joehuang | any topics? | 14:41 |
| Yipei | yes | 14:41 |
| joehuang | please, Yipei | 14:41 |
| Yipei | for LBaaS, when creating lb, the service plugin will use the local plugin to create port. but the port body has no ip address. instead, the service plugin fills fixed_ip with subnet_id, leading None in ip_address | 14:41 |
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| Yipei | https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/master/tricircle/network/local_plugin.py#L443 | 14:42 |
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| joehuang | this is a bug in the code | 14:43 |
| Yipei | so how it is not belong to special port | 14:44 |
| zhiyuan | no, that's to reject port creation request from dhcp agent | 14:44 |
| Yipei | just skip the part? | 14:44 |
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| joehuang | have you checked the request body passed from LBaaS service plugin? | 14:45 |
| joehuang | for DHCP port processing, it's correct | 14:45 |
| zhiyuan | so LBaaS will also pass the body only with subnet_id? | 14:45 |
| joehuang | but we need to make sure it works for LBaaS or not | 14:45 |
| Yipei | to zhiyuan, yes, no fixed_ip | 14:46 |
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| zhiyuan | no fixed_ip or no ip_address? | 14:47 |
| Yipei | o, no ip_address | 14:47 |
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| Yipei | fixed_ip is filled with subnet_id | 14:47 |
| zhiyuan | does the body contain device_owner? | 14:47 |
| Yipei | yes | 14:48 |
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| Yipei | DEVICE_OWNER_LOADBALANCERV2 | 14:48 |
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| joehuang | we may judge by device owner to process the request from LBaaS | 14:49 |
| zhiyuan | cool, then we can also add this port to the special port list | 14:49 |
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| Yipei | so we need to add port in special ports | 14:50 |
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| Yipei | https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/master/tricircle/network/local_plugin.py#L453 | 14:51 |
| Yipei | then it will be processed here | 14:51 |
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| Yipei | oh, it wrong | 14:52 |
| Yipei | sorry | 14:52 |
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| joehuang | to Yipei, I think you can figure out offline how to fix this issue, it's much more clear nor | 14:53 |
| Yipei | ok | 14:53 |
| Yipei | got it | 14:53 |
| electrocucaracha | I'd like to mention the upgrades requirements patch that was submitted earlier, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445153/ it contains a change in SQLAlchemy | 14:54 |
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| joehuang | few minutes left, other topics? | 14:54 |
| RongHui11 | no for me | 14:54 |
| dongfeng | no for me | 14:54 |
| longxiongqiu | no for me | 14:54 |
| Yipei | no | 14:55 |
| joehuang | ok, will approve soon | 14:55 |
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| joehuang | please review the patches | 14:55 |
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| zhiyuan | ok | 14:55 |
| yinxiulin | no | 14:55 |
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| joehuang | ok, thank you for attending the meeting | 14:56 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 15 14:57:06 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-03-15-14.02.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-03-15-14.02.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-03-15-14.02.log.html | 14:57 |
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| joehuang | bye | 14:57 |
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| dongfeng | bye | 14:57 |
| longxiongqiu | bye | 14:57 |
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| zhiyuan | bye | 14:57 |
| RongHui11 | bye | 14:57 |
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| electrocucaracha | thanks bye | 14:57 |
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| Menthos2 | #startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 15 15:00:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Menthos2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: massively_distributed_clouds)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:00 |
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| Menthos2 | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Menthos2 ad_rien_ | 15:00 |
| Menthos2 | Hi there | 15:00 |
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| Menthos2 | ping ad_rien_, msimonin, denaitre, dsantoro, menthos, serverascode, jfpeltier, kgiusti, ansmith | 15:00 |
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| dsantoro | Hello | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | Hi o/ | 15:01 |
| Menthos2 | ping rcherrueau | 15:01 |
| denaitre | hey o/ | 15:01 |
| msimonin | o/ | 15:01 |
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| ansmith | o/ | 15:01 |
| Menthos2 | So who's with us today? | 15:01 |
| rcherrueau | :) | 15:01 |
| msimonin | rcherrueau: ping | 15:01 |
| mabderrahim | hi o/ | 15:01 |
| rarora | hi | 15:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 15:01 |
| paul-andreraymon | hi | 15:01 |
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| Menthos2 | Hi everyone | 15:02 |
| Menthos2 | Let's just take one more minute | 15:02 |
| Menthos2 | Okay let's start | 15:03 |
| Menthos2 | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: massively_distributed_clouds)" | 15:03 | |
| Menthos2 | So good news from our side, we have two presentations accepted at the Boston summit | 15:03 |
| Menthos2 | And one forum | 15:03 |
| jamemcc | Hi | 15:03 |
| Menthos2 | (but the forum planning is still under discussion) | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | Folks, please if you plan to attend the summit add your name in the last section of our minutes | 15:04 |
| Menthos | Anyone wants to share some news from their side? | 15:04 |
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| ad_rien_ | mabderrahim: do you know whether jf peltier or Mat Rohon will join us ? | 15:06 |
| jamemcc | From the LCOO side - pretty distantly related probably but would like to get any help from those here who have put some thought into similar. LCOO and more myself have submitted a User Story to the Product Workign Group process to get started with an analysis for Cloud Native principles | 15:06 |
| mabderrahim | no in fact I haven't any idea | 15:07 |
| jamemcc | #URL https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444611/ | 15:07 |
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| ad_rien_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444611/ cloud native stories | 15:07 |
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| Menthos | jamemcc: can you tell us more? | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | what is the meaning of cloud native principles :-) | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:08 |
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| paul-andreraymon | Are there specific principles for Cloud Native in a Massively distributed environment? | 15:09 |
| jamemcc | The idea of cloud native in generaal is to break down your application so it can more efficiently run as a stateless and small but easy to scale and distribute way | 15:09 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:09 |
| Menthos | Oh I see | 15:09 |
| msimonin | is Openstack cloud native ? | 15:09 |
| Menthos | So your question is do we have specifics requirements for doing that on massively distributed clouds? | 15:09 |
| jamemcc | As various teams - most notably Kolla and now OpenStack-Helm which is trying to bring Kubernetes OpenSource world together with OpenStack | 15:10 |
| jamemcc | are making progress it seems we need some underlying guidlies to help us sort it out | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry not sure I correctly understood the question: | 15:10 |
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| ad_rien_ | Is it related to the deployment of OpenSTack itself ? | 15:10 |
| jamemcc | Most notably for the OpenStck itself - in LCOO we differentiate this as being Containerized COntrol Plane | 15:10 |
| jamemcc | Yes | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | So we have started a study here @inria | 15:11 |
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| ad_rien_ | for the moment we identified all tools available in the openstack ecosystem | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | define a first workflow (based on kolla) | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | a technical repport should be available soon | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | The idea is to define how you can deploy (and then upgrade) a distributed version of OpenStack | 15:12 |
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| jamemcc | @msimonin - I'm far from the expert but as I understand - projcts are using many good contructs of Cloud Native - most notably REstFul interfaces - but no - in general architected as a larger/even single architecture | 15:13 |
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| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: paul-andreraymon: does it correpsond to your idea ? | 15:13 |
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| Menthos | To add to what ad_rien_ just said, @Inria they worked more on how to deploy applications on massively distributed clouds | 15:14 |
| Menthos | Not really about applications life cycle | 15:14 |
| paul-andreraymon | It does. But Intuitively, I would think there is a little more. | 15:14 |
| msimonin | jamemcc: ok, is there some references of those constructs of a Cloud Native app ? | 15:14 |
| paul-andreraymon | If I create a microservice, there are specific things to be done to make it cloud native. | 15:15 |
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| jamemcc | Defiantely an overlap - we were thinking it is just more about reanalyzing each of the projects to see if they could be and should be redesigned to better enable Cloud Native priciples, but defiantely distributing the computing and also more efficiently supporting maintenance are key outcomes. | 15:15 |
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| Menthos | And we welcome HeleneCoullon who works on this @Inria :-) | 15:16 |
| jamemcc | In fact he suer story is more about specifiying those goals then it is in doing an exhaustive list of the types of ways to redesign | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | Maybe the first question from the massively distributed WG perspective is to identify an application that needs to be deployed at WAN scale (i.e between multiple sites) | 15:16 |
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| msimonin | jamemcc: Actually, I may be wrong, but some study @inria are about edge or fog native applications | 15:16 |
| HeleneCoullon | o/ | 15:17 |
| Menthos | ad_rien_: …and then what do we need to do to this application to make it run on an edge cloud | 15:17 |
| Menthos | Maybe we should add this to the agenda for the next meeting? | 15:17 |
| dsantoro | @msimonin: a reference is for sure the 12th factor —> https://12factor.net/ | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | +1 | 15:17 |
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| Menthos | thanks dsantoro | 15:17 |
| msimonin | dsantoro: I see :) | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | Cloud Native Principles/Microservice approach for OpenStack - Implementing techniques to all of the projects so that they can be instantiated in a MicroService type fashion. This leads to scalability and operational flexibility in large clouds. ? | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | Is it related to that point I copied/pasted to the boston summit etherpad: | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-MassivelyDistributed-Fog-Edge Boston pad | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | if yes. I propose to discuss that point later | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | (espeecially because It appears at the end of the agenda) | 15:19 |
| Menthos | #action all Discuss Cloud Native app principles for Massively Distributed Clouds | 15:19 |
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| Menthos | Can we move on? | 15:19 |
| Menthos | #topic AMQP | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | We have two points to be discussed: | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | the slides from kgiusti | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | and additional informations regarding the AMQP stresser from Orange | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | so unfortunately from our side, we did not spend enough time | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | so I know msimonin gave a look at | 15:21 |
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| ad_rien_ | but he cannot attend this meeting too | 15:21 |
| rcherrueau | I have a question for ansmith and kgiusti about their slides. What kind of messages goes through notification traffic? Is it stuff like compute heart-beat or is it something that required a pub/sub model? | 15:22 |
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| kgiusti | rcherrueau: notifications are typically used for telemetry, logging and billing, etc | 15:23 |
| kgiusti | rcherrueau: heartbeats - not likely, but I would need to check the impl to be sure | 15:23 |
| kgiusti | rcherrueau: usually that's a 'cast' RPC operation (RPC without returning a value) | 15:24 |
| kgiusti | rcherrueau: but again I'll have to confirm that in the code. | 15:24 |
| rcherrueau | I would say that telemetry will use the REST API no? | 15:25 |
| Menthos | kgiusti: so you mean ATM there is no optimisation and it is all RPC calls? | 15:25 |
| kgiusti | rcherrueau: perhaps - again I need to check the code. | 15:25 |
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| kgiusti | Menthos: the applications are free to implement whatever traffic pattern they see fit. | 15:26 |
| kgiusti | Menthos: quite possibly using Notifications for heartbeat | 15:26 |
| Menthos | applications or OpenStack services? | 15:26 |
| kgiusti | Menthos: Openstack services | 15:26 |
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| kgiusti | Menthos: Notifications re: billing could be stored to disk (durable) to prevent loss. | 15:27 |
| Menthos | So the reason for this notification service is one-to-one vs one-to-many? | 15:27 |
| Menthos | Notifications are one-to-many? | 15:28 |
| kgiusti | Menthos: one to many, yes | 15:28 |
| kgiusti | Menthos: but not truly pub/sub - | 15:28 |
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| Menthos | So why not using something like a distributed pub-sub system instead of a centralized broker? | 15:28 |
| Menthos | Oh | 15:28 |
| Menthos | I see | 15:28 |
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| rcherrueau | and what about probabilistic broadcast to implement such one-to-many link without a broker (ie, in a fully decentralized manner) | 15:29 |
| kgiusti | Menthos: under the current impl the notification messages are competed for by all subscribers. | 15:29 |
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| kgiusti | Menthos: so the actual functionality is like a shared queue - go figure it was a surprise to me. | 15:29 |
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| Menthos | So it's a broadcast? | 15:30 |
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| kgiusti | Menthos: no - each notification is consumed by only one subscriber even if there are many subscribers | 15:30 |
| kgiusti | Menthos: like a queue | 15:30 |
| kgiusti | Menthos: but the Notification API is very high level - like a logging API | 15:31 |
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| kgiusti | Menthos: It is presumed that order is preserved (but not across multiple consumers) - like logging | 15:31 |
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| clauden | kgiusti: is there an exactly-once semantic? or at-most? | 15:31 |
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| Menthos | So if it's one-to-one, why not using RPC calls? | 15:31 |
| kgiusti | clauden: at-most | 15:32 |
| kgiusti | Menthos: it's the API for Notifications that makes the difference really | 15:32 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:33 |
| kgiusti | Menthos: services that need to log events have a high-level logging like api (severity, filtering etc) | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | how can we try to identify concrete actions? | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | to be honest, I'm starting to be completely lost :( | 15:33 |
| kgiusti | Menthos: you'd have to build your own on top of RPC if you wanted to use RPC | 15:33 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: welcome to my nightmare | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | We should probably go deeper an try to clarify the ecosystem | 15:33 |
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| ad_rien_ | kgiusti: :) | 15:33 |
| Menthos | Maybe we could add an action for next time? | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | There is also kafka | 15:34 |
| Menthos | This is an interesting topic | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | in the big picture in the openstack ecosystem | 15:34 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: oslo.messaging only support Notifications for kafka, not RPC | 15:34 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: just fyi. | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | but we were talking about notifications ;- | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | ) | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | just now | 15:35 |
| clauden | seems like a core platform function to support a bunch of different scenarios... | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:35 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: so kafka can be used as an alternative to "broker" in all those slides | 15:35 |
| clauden | notifications can set up rdv for future RPC calls too :-) | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | that is my question :( | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | indeed | 15:35 |
| paul-andreraymon | In Barcelona, there were also a lot of talks about ZeroMQ and its benefits. I believe oslo supports it. | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so let's try to summarize the situation: | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | right now there is RabbitMQ. | 15:36 |
| kgiusti | paul-andreraymon: +1 - see the slides it covers that | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | we all agree it is an issue | 15:36 |
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| ad_rien_ | (i.e. RabbitMQ will definitely be able to tackle with our challenges) | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | Then we have zeroMQ | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | QPid | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | (and maybe Kafka) | 15:37 |
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| ad_rien_ | so who can try to clarify this picture ? | 15:37 |
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| ad_rien_ | Pros/Cons of the different approaches (conceptually and technically speaking) | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:38 |
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| kgiusti | ad_rien_: I attempted to do that in the slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ghwinrArfoCw1qIsNGxWSrd8NTynYomThERGUpN4f0U/edit#slide=id.g1b279a0990_0_7 | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | For ZeroMQ we discussed last time that the number of connexions to be maintained can be critical | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | yes kgiusti | 15:39 |
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| ad_rien_ | thanks for that | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | it would be great to go deeper | 15:39 |
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| ad_rien_ | how can we move forward? | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | We need to challenge kgiusti ? | 15:39 |
| kgiusti | :) | 15:40 |
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| ad_rien_ | (kindly challenge him ;)) | 15:40 |
| jamemcc | with utmost respet | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | the idea is to try to identify elements that cannot be debated anymore | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | something like: if you use zeroMQ you will face that and that issues | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | Kafka does not answer this point | 15:41 |
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| ad_rien_ | and QPid will solve this but you have to accept that.... | 15:41 |
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| ad_rien_ | So maybe we can try to exchange by mail? | 15:41 |
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| ad_rien_ | my proposal is: please if you are interested by taking part to this action | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | Add you email | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | so kgiusti rcherrueau can start a thread and we can move forward | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | what do you think. | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:42 |
| clauden | is the topic of (broadly speaking) "coordinating activities across widely distributed OpenStack services" being worked anywhere else in parallel? | 15:42 |
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| kgiusti | ad_rien_: sure thing | 15:42 |
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| rcherrueau | ad_rien_: kgiusti yes good idea | 15:42 |
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| kgiusti | ad_rien_: I can start something on openstack-dev, have the other oslo folks weigh in | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | if you want but generally it is better | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | to start with a few folks get a first initial draft (as much complete as possible) | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | and then go on on the general ML | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | Otherwise you may receive a lot of noise | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | so it is up to you guys. | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:44 |
| Menthos | 15 minutes lef, we should move on to the next topic | 15:44 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: ok | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | so if we agree I propose to move to the next topic | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | great | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | so Folks from Orange: are you there? | 15:44 |
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| ad_rien_ | seems not | 15:45 |
| mabderrahim | me I am here | 15:45 |
| jamemcc | FYI - claudn and I are here largely to field any questions about eCOMP | 15:45 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok so seems not (thanks mabderrahim but I'm looking from Jf or Matt) | 15:45 |
| mabderrahim | ok | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | BTW mabderrahim may make sense to take part to the discussion as you are rather familiar with kafka | 15:46 |
| rcherrueau | kgiusti: could you, please. explicitly link me and paul-andreraymon in your mail on to the openstack-dev? | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so let's move to the next topic | 15:46 |
| Menthos | #topic ECOMP | 15:46 |
| kgiusti | rcherrueau: will do | 15:47 |
| rcherrueau | kgiusti: thanks | 15:47 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok so first question: | 15:47 |
| Menthos | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2017-February/001722.html | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | whether is it possible to arrange a short presentation by webconf? | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | I think we are several interested by understanding a bit more. | 15:48 |
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| Menthos | +1 | 15:48 |
| Menthos | But the timing is short | 15:49 |
| paul-andreraymon | +1 | 15:49 |
| clauden | i think that an ecomp overview would be good, can't set it up in 9 minutes though :( | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | so jamemcc clauden would it be possible to arrange such a presentation | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:49 |
| jamemcc | Yeah I think so - I'll take it offline with claude | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | so we can arrange a slot. | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | great | 15:49 |
| jamemcc | Maybe same time but next week? | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | so can we do the same so we can open a doodle | 15:49 |
| jamemcc | OK | 15:49 |
| paul-andreraymon | Should the presentation be about AT&T's eCOMP or should it be about the new opensource ONAP of LinuxFoundation? | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | Follks that are interested by taking part in the ECOMP webconf presentation add your email | 15:50 |
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| jamemcc | #action jamemcc open doodle to get times setup for web/video conference intro to eCOMP | 15:50 |
| clauden | there's a subset of "internal production" ECOMP in ONAP, we can talk about that as well as discussing the extensions/customizations that would go along with it... does that help? | 15:51 |
| paul-andreraymon | clauden: Yes, I think it would help | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | Maybe we can have a rather large overview of ECOMP and then have some backup slides according to the questions/Discussions | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: can you please take care about that ? | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | (sorry 8 min left) | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | we should move to the next point because I really want to highlight the question | 15:53 |
| Menthos | #topip Enos | 15:53 |
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| Menthos | #topic Enos | 15:53 |
| Menthos | :-) | 15:53 |
| Menthos | I think we can cover this next time | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | I propose that we move this point to the next meeting (nothing special to mention but things are progressing) | 15:53 |
| Menthos | #topic Open discussion | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | OK | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | so here is the important point. | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | In order to prepare the forum sessions in Boston, we should gather inputs | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | You can see the general one at | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming general boston forum pad | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | and the one which is related to our WG | 15:55 |
| Menthos | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-MassivelyDistributed-Fog-Edge | 15:55 |
| Menthos | #undo | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | so may I ask all of you to add inputs | 15:55 |
| Menthos | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-MassivelyDistributed-Fog-Edge massively distributed clouds forum pad | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | especially in the second one. | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | We will discuss it deeper next time but we should raise the major points we would like to discuss by the end of the week (deadline) | 15:56 |
| jamemcc | Wanted to get this in the meetign minutes this is the Doodle link for finding the right time and participants for EComp intro | 15:56 |
| jamemcc | #url http://doodle.com/poll/3by7n2mcxhg2aapk | 15:56 |
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| ad_rien_ | for instance kgiusti ansmith may I ask you to add a section to discuss AMQP related questions ? | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | (3 min left) | 15:57 |
| Menthos | #link http://doodle.com/poll/3by7n2mcxhg2aapk | 15:57 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: sure | 15:57 |
| Menthos | Anything more to add to the discussion? | 15:58 |
| Menthos | (In less than 2 minutes) | 15:58 |
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| paul-andreraymon | jamescc: what time zone are you using for the doodle? | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | so two important points of today: | 15:58 |
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| ad_rien_ | - please add your email in the pad if you are interested by | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | the AMQP discussions | 15:58 |
| jamemcc | Should come up in your time but I am using US Central time | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | - please add your email in the pad (in the correct section ) if you are interested by the ECOMP presentation | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | Thanks | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | that's all from my side | 15:59 |
| Menthos | So thank you all for coming today | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | (unfortunately discussions were fruitful today but we do not have anymore time) | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | Bye | 15:59 |
| Menthos | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| rcherrueau | thanks | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-03-15-15.00.html | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-03-15-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 15 16:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #chair jungleboyj | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: jungleboyj smcginnis | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Just in case ^^ | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thanks. :-) | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| xyang | hi | 16:00 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Oh good, was afraid everyone missed the time change. | 16:01 |
| bswartz | just in case of what? | 16:01 |
| rarora | hi | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
| geguileo | hi! | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: In case I get dropped for some reason. | 16:01 |
| jessegler | o/ | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: Not in my usual hemisphere. | 16:01 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: no ping today? ;-) | 16:01 |
| bswartz | ah | 16:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Oh right! :) | 16:01 |
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| patrickeast | o/ | 16:01 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: AFAIK, only US switched to DST time now | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | wxy viks ketonne abishop sivn breitz | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Yeah. When does Europe? | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
| hemna | \o | 16:02 |
| e0ne | the last weekend of March in Ukraine | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: Good to be aware of that, thanks! | 16:02 |
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| mdovgal | Hi | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | Same here I believe | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| smcginnis | DuncanT! | 16:02 |
| wxy | hello | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Nice to see you. :) | 16:02 |
| hemna | whoa | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: !!!!! | 16:03 |
| DuncanT | Thanks :-) | 16:03 |
| DuncanT | Just starting to get back into things | 16:03 |
| * smcginnis pictures DuncanT walking into the Cheers bar. | 16:03 | |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | We are four weeks out from milestone 1. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Glad to see it. There wasn't enough arguing without you. ;-) | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | No major Cinder deadlines for P-1, but still a good checkpoint. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | It would be really nice if all of the new driver submissions have had a once over by then. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | So we're not pointing out spelling errors and the like right before the actual driver deadline. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Tracking driver requirement | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: All yours. | 16:05 |
| eharney | well, i added driver-requirements.txt | 16:05 |
| eharney | the aim is for drivers to add their "optional" dependencies there (optional for Cinder, but needed for the driver to work) | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/443761 Driver dependencies patch | 16:06 |
| e0ne | eharney: is it something like requirements.txt? | 16:06 |
| eharney | this started because of difficulties figuring out whether we packaged all of the right things in RDO etc, so should be useful for any downstreams | 16:06 |
| e0ne | eharney: I've checked for ceph - there is no rbd and rados packages in pypi:( | 16:07 |
| eharney | e0ne: it's very much like it, it's just not managed by any tools | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | eharney: So no automated enforcement or anything like that now, just a convention for us to capture these hidden dependencies, right? | 16:07 |
| eharney | e0ne: correct | 16:07 |
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| e0ne | eharney: I like the general idea | 16:07 |
| hemna | eharney, so these are pypi requirements to use a particular driver ? | 16:07 |
| eharney | this may well end up being managed by our requirements tools etc at some point, but i haven't really figured out what that looks like, so it's just useful documentation for now | 16:07 |
| eharney | hemna: yes | 16:07 |
| hemna | ok | 16:07 |
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| hemna | does it make any sense to create a const in the driver class that has this info? | 16:08 |
| hemna | and then the tools generate this file ? | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | eharney: But we can also capture non-pypi in there too? | 16:08 |
| hemna | as well as the generate_driver_list.py can generate it too ? | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Ooh, I kind of like that. | 16:08 |
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| * smcginnis likes self documenting automation | 16:08 | |
| hemna | kinda like the CI_WIKI_NAME thingy | 16:08 |
| eharney | i think we should determine if/how we will integrate with requirements tools before we integrate it too deeply into cinder's code | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Fair | 16:08 |
| e0ne | eharney: +1 | 16:08 |
| eharney | but certainly sounds like a useful thing to consider | 16:08 |
| hemna | well it wouldn't be much different than the hard coded driver-requirements.txt except that that file gets generated | 16:09 |
| hemna | $0.02 | 16:09 |
| eharney | smcginnis: how non-pypi things work is still somewhat of an open question | 16:09 |
| hemna | eharney, thanks for starting this | 16:09 |
| eharney | there's also another area of non-python things (CLIs), not too sure there yet either, but, this seems like a starting point | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | eharney: That may be harder to automate, but I think it might be even more useful since I know when I tried to find all of it, it really wasn't obvious where some of this came from. | 16:10 |
| hemna | maybe a driver-bindep.txt | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | I think just pypi is a great start. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Anything else we should discuss on that now? Or just an awareness thing at this point? | 16:11 |
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| eharney | nothing else from me | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Cool, thanks! | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | #topic Revisiting adding a Bandit Gate | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | jonesn, rarora: Hi | 16:11 |
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| jonesn | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Projects/Bandit#Bandit_Baseline_Gate | 16:11 |
| rarora | hi | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Projects/Bandit#Bandit_Baseline_Gate Bandit Baseline | 16:12 |
| jonesn | Short story: Having a bandit gate that only checks for added issues will be a fairly small change to the tox.ini and zuul configuration to setup the gate itself. | 16:12 |
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| e0ne | jonesn, rarora: do we have a fresh report for cinder somewhere? | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | jonesn: So kind of like what we do with pylint now. We just don't want the number to go up unnoticed. | 16:12 |
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| jonesn | Exactly like pylint, except we don't have to write the script for it. | 16:13 |
| jonesn | e0ne: not off hand | 16:13 |
| e0ne | jonesn: I'm ok with this job if there will be a little number of false positive errors | 16:14 |
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| rarora | so basically you can just run the bandit-baseline command and it will do a diff... the only issues that will pop up are new ones | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | There were a set of patches to disable warnings on false positives. Are those still out there? | 16:15 |
| rarora | with medium confidence and severity there should not be many | 16:15 |
| jonesn | e0ne: We might want to look through the list of things bandit checks for and exclude some entirely | 16:16 |
| rarora | smcginnis: not sure of which patches you're talking about but we can also set up a config to disable certain bugs altogether and people can always #nosec something and leave a comment if they know it isn't an issue | 16:16 |
| xyang | smcginnis: I haven't seen any outstanding patches, but there are probably more to fix | 16:16 |
| eharney | experience with the pylint job has shown that this kind of thing is useful, but really requires some particularly interested people to keep an eye on it | 16:16 |
| jonesn | eharney: rarora, jessegler and I would be pretty dedicated to checking the failures | 16:17 |
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| e0ne | eharney: good point | 16:17 |
| jonesn | In fact I was going to ask if there was a way to be notified if a particular gate fails. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | jonesn: Not that I know of, but a spot check from time to time should be good at a minimum. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Our only challenge with the way pylint works is since it's non-voting, it tends to get ignored. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | But I think usually it doesn't go too long before someone (usually eharney) noticed and complains. :) | 16:18 |
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| jonesn | smcginnis: I'd strongly advocate using this as a trial period, with the goal of moving to a voting gate. | 16:19 |
| rarora | we were planning on doing non-voting at least for now until we can fine tune the bugs, and it would at least be a step in the right direction | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | So I guess I agree with e0ne - as long as there aren't too many false positives, I think it's good. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | jonesn: I'd really want to be more comfortable with it before we make it voting. | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | Especially since out of the things flagged that I looked in to, not one was an actual security issue. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | But I don't want that one real instance to slip through either. | 16:20 |
| eharney | yeah... most of the current things have resulted in adding #nosec from what i've seen | 16:20 |
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| smcginnis | So I'm good for now as long as it's nv. | 16:20 |
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| jonesn | Could we get some recommendations on which rules to turn off? | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | Not that I know of off hand, but there may be some things. | 16:21 |
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| jessegler | Having it non-voting should allow us to do some statistics on which rules end up getting #nosec'd a lot and that might inform which to turn off. | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | +1 | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Let's get that added NV, then we can see where to go from there. | 16:22 |
| jonesn | ^I could pull together a list of all the #nosec 's that are in the code right now | 16:22 |
| jonesn | smcginnis: awesome. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | jonesn: That may be useful. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | OK, anything else on this topic? | 16:23 |
| rarora | I think we're set | 16:23 |
| eharney | i'm still not sure how many of the current #nosec items are things that should be fixed vs just being disabled for now to have a clean run to start with | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Would you want to review that first? | 16:23 |
| eharney | maybe, and we should probably decide that any time we add one, there's a good comment about why it's safe, or a bug report | 16:24 |
| jonesn | +1 | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: +1 | 16:24 |
| rarora | eharney: with this set up we wouldn't have to have a clean run since it just checks the delta so we at least won't have to add anymore #nosecs for getting a clean run | 16:24 |
| eharney | sounds good | 16:24 |
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| xyang | I did a grab on nosec and only get 9 entries | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | May be a good exercide for someone to go through and add comments on those explaining why they are not really issues. | 16:25 |
| rarora | also +1 for needing a comment for #nosecs | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | But I don't think that would need to be the gate on getting a nv job added that just checks the diff. | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | Alright, I'll move on for now. Please post a comment in #openstack-cinder to let folks know if a patch is submitted to add a job. | 16:26 |
| jonesn | Will do. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | We can always comment on there if any issues are thought of by then. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | jonesn: Thanks! | 16:27 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Dynamic Reconfiguration | 16:27 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: All yours | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/cinder-specs/specs/ocata/dynamic_reconfiguration.html Dynami reconfig spec | 16:27 |
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| diablo_rojo | So with all the changes due to the A/A stuff I wanted to make sure the spec was still accurate | 16:27 |
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| diablo_rojo | I know we had noted the approach we decided on might not be pretty now that those things have landed. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: There hasn't been a patch to move this to Pike, right? | 16:28 |
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| hemna | the formatting of that page looks borked for some reason | 16:28 |
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| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, yeah | 16:28 |
| hemna | like the .rst was incorrectly formatted | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Under the Work Items section? | 16:28 |
| hemna | Use cases | 16:29 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna, I figured I'd fix that up if we had other changes to make | 16:29 |
| diablo_rojo | Wanted to do it all at once. | 16:29 |
| eharney | there are a lot of indentation errors after bullet points, which makes it format funny | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Oh, hmm. And Alternatives section too. | 16:29 |
| hemna | not sure what happened there. it didn't recognize the bullet points it looks like | 16:29 |
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| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: I think if you can fix that up and propose a move to Pike, we can comment on there. | 16:29 |
| geguileo | I think bullet points where missing space after * | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: It was already accepted previously, but we can have another review to make sure it still matches the current state of things. | 16:30 |
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| diablo_rojo | So, I talked to geguileo a bit yesterday and there are two approaches that we could do right now. One: create a new mechanism and have drivers implement. or Two: Modify the sighup to stop all child processes and start the new ones with the new config. | 16:30 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, right, just wanted to make sure the approach was still valid before I did a bunch of work and found out no one liked it anymore :) | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo spec LGTM | 16:31 |
| hemna | can we safely stop processes though? There could be outstanding actions being taken | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo I like the sighug approach | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | diablo_rojo: draining has the disadvantage of creating an outage while long-running operations (backup, copy to/from image) finish | 16:31 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna, yeah that was something I wondered. There could be ongoing processes that never get finished up? | 16:31 |
| hemna | yup | 16:31 |
| e0ne | diablo_rojo: sighup sounds good for me | 16:32 |
| diablo_rojo | DuncanT, right. | 16:32 |
| hemna | since we don't really track transactions/actions being taken | 16:32 |
| hemna | copy volume <--> image | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | sighug :) | 16:32 |
| hemna | backup, etc | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | hemna: I think that comes under the generic heading of 'drain' | 16:32 |
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| geguileo | we are already using sighup to do the reload within Cinder | 16:32 |
| Swanson | smcginnis, quiet. | 16:32 |
| hemna | DuncanT, we don't know what to drain at this point. | 16:32 |
| geguileo | we do the drain using oslo services mechanism | 16:32 |
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| smcginnis | Swanson: It just sounds so friendly. | 16:33 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, hugged to death | 16:33 |
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| hemna | also, we need to add more information in the deployer impact section | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: So this feature is already implemented? Last I checked, our sighup handling was dangerously broken | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | (It has been a while) | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | +1 for *sighug*, we should start a new Big Tent project with that name | 16:33 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: Last time I checked it worked | 16:33 |
| hemna | it's obvious, but if you change replication settings, you could potentially orphan existing replicated volumes | 16:33 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna, When I get the patch up to clean things up you can make comments and I will integrate them. Sound good? | 16:33 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: that was for my Barcelona talk | 16:33 |
| hemna | diablo_rojo sure | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: I'll take another look and see what I can break | 16:34 |
| geguileo | the problem is that you are without service for as long as it's draining the service | 16:34 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna, cool I will let you know as soon as I get it up there | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: +1 | 16:34 |
| bswartz | bash: kill: SIGHUG: invalid signal specification :-( | 16:34 |
| geguileo | and cinder backup and volume can take a long time when we are talking about the data plane | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: Ah, yes, that was one of my definitions of 'broken', though that wasn't the dangerous one | 16:34 |
| hemna | geguileo, that's what concerns me | 16:34 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna, agreed. | 16:35 |
| geguileo | hemna: DuncanT I believe that's what we are trying to fix now | 16:35 |
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| hemna | diablo_rojo also need to note that changing things like FCZM settings can nuke existing attachments | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: What you suggest is working is exactly what the spec proposes | 16:36 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna, can do. | 16:36 |
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| geguileo | DuncanT: No, I'm saying that the sighup mechanism is already there, we just need to modify it's behavior to whatever we agree | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: The spec suggests drain and restart | 16:37 |
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| geguileo | DuncanT: Mmmmm, then we already have that | 16:37 |
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| diablo_rojo | Lol | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | We're done! Beer time! | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Yay! | 16:38 |
| diablo_rojo | geguileo accidentially implemented my spec lol | 16:38 |
| geguileo | we could at least support adding new backends and removing them through sighup | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: But does it refresh from cinder.conf? | 16:38 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: yup | 16:38 |
| * jungleboyj is baffled ... | 16:39 | |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: at least I think so... now I'm unsure | 16:39 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: I am going to have to go try it. | 16:39 |
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| smcginnis | Well, diablo_rojo and geguileo, maybe you too should talk a bit. | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: But I think getting it updated is probably worth it. | 16:41 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, a bit more than we did yesterday anyway lol | 16:41 |
| geguileo | I think the reloading of the config is a minor thing | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | :D | 16:41 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, yep I put it towards the top of my todolist | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Excellent | 16:41 |
| geguileo | The big thing is if we have any ideas about how to prevent the service being out while draining | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: The one man Cinder show. | 16:41 |
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| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, +1 | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: If you get an update, probably good to add DuncanT and hemna as reviewers to make sure their concerns get addressed. | 16:42 |
| geguileo | diablo_rojo: Maybe we could change it to make it only draing services that have changed the config or being completely removed | 16:43 |
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| geguileo | s/services/backends | 16:43 |
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| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, can do | 16:43 |
| geguileo | and spins up a new process for added backens | 16:43 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: Nice, would be good if it can be smart about it. | 16:43 |
| geguileo | backends | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: I'm going to move on. I think you at least have next steps. | 16:44 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, thanks :) | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | #topic Forum Topic Brainstorming | 16:44 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-TC-brainstorming Brainstorming Etherpad | 16:44 |
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| smcginnis | They are looking for topics for the forum. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | I've also created a Cinder specific one for us: | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Cinder-brainstorming Cinder topic brainstorming. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | All captured here: | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Boston2017 | 16:45 |
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| xyang | smcginnis: what much time do we have? | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | Some good topics from jgriffith. We should add those to the etherpad. | 16:45 |
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| xyang | smcginnis: how is this different from design summit in the past? | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | xyang: Unfortunately I have no idea for any of those. | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Any foundation guidance you can provide? | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis hehe... I meant to add those as topics for todays meeting but :) | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | I updated the wiki to reflect that after I noticed I screwed it up | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Probably good enough here. Will do that next | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | Been there, done that. | 16:47 |
| xyang | smcginnis: we'll probably get an answer on what to do with translations? | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Running out of time, so I'll move on. But add ideas and just know we may or may not be able to discuss at the forum depending on how timing is. | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | xyang: Yes, hoping that's finalized by then. | 16:48 |
| hemna | xyang remove them all! | 16:48 |
| xyang | smcginnis: I saw that as a forum topic | 16:48 |
| hemna | :P | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | #topic 3'rd party CI | 16:48 |
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| xyang | hemna: :) | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | xyang: It is just more like the fishbowl sessions. | 16:48 |
| hemna | rm -f _LE, _LW, _LDIE! | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | hemna: :) | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: All yours now. | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ci-proposals Changing 3'rd party CI requirement | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis thanks! | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | Ok, so folks that were in ATL are familiar with this | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | at least if you stuck around Friday :) | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | So I tried to summarize in that etherpad | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | basically IMO we've stopped making any real forward/beneficial progress on 3'rd party CI | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | so... maybe we should try something different | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | The TLDR is stop *requiring* a true Continious integration for now | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | instead require that CI's respond to triggers: "run <driver-ci-name>" and "run all-cis" | 16:51 |
| bswartz | more like an admission that the current "continuous" requirement is not being met by nearly all 3rd party CI | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | bswartz correct | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | in other words, quit fooling ourselves :) | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Doesn't seem like a terrible idea given where we are and the total lack of improvement in the last 12 months | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | and focus on actually tasks to improve | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: With the appendium that it's sad that we have to do this | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | by isolating these to a more periodic and concerned effort we can publish, analyze and focus on getting things fixed up | 16:52 |
| diablo_rojo | jgriffith, +1 | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT yeah, but such is life | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | So if folks want, take a look at the ehterpad and add comments/suggestions | 16:52 |
| diablo_rojo | Not biting off more than we can chew. start small and work our way up from there to actually make things better. | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | I'd propose doing both a dummy patch that just pulls from master and runs everything AND a known "everything should fail this" test | 16:53 |
| bswartz | DuncanT: it turns out that maintaining 3rd party CIs is like a full time job for some people, and I don't that that was ever the intention when we started down this road it Atlanta (that ATL design summit not the PTG) | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: I like the "pipecleaner" everything should fail on this patch | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | bswartz DuncanT so the only caveat is that you'll still have to maintain a CI, it jus won't have the same load demand or elasticity requirements | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | There goes my side business of running CIs for companies. :D | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis yeah, that's awesome! | 16:54 |
| hemna | How many of us look at driver CI for a driver patch? | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | and this way, as we go along if we get better we can do things like up the frequency or revisit ture continious | 16:55 |
| hemna | I'm still not going to +A a patch for a driver, unless it passes CI | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | hemna read the etherpad, I knew you'd say that :) | 16:55 |
| tbarron | that's consistent I think | 16:55 |
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| bswartz | hemna: yeah that's important | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | and I think that's perfectly reasonable/valid | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: Yeah... I think the fact that it is a full time job suggests that something, somewhere needs some serious rethought, but that turns out to be a very big topic and probably outside of the cinder remit | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | hemna: I do. And I guess the good thing about this is we can just trigger extra runs on the ones we care about. | 16:55 |
| hemna | ok coolio. | 16:55 |
| bswartz | vendors CIs should run on vendor driver patches | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | even if it means a core has to add the comment "run xyz" that's fine | 16:56 |
| tbarron | +1 | 16:56 |
| hemna | jgriffith,+1 | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | Side bonus - less scrolling in gerrit. ;) | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | if you're an overachiever your CI will already be running it, OR you'll add the comment to the review when you submit it | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis hehe | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Good point. There's no reason you can't run on all patches if you want to. | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith | Note, I did point out that this was the *requirement* but that folks can continue testing every patch if they want | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | Going to run out of time, so let's let folks read up on the etherpad. | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | I should clarify that.. if you're CI sucks and your cluttering things with nonsense you will be dealt with harshly :) | 16:57 |
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| jgriffith | kk | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | #topic Filtering and the API | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | +1 | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | F'ing FILTERS | 16:57 |
| bswartz | it should also be pointed out that continual failing will be a lot less acceptable if you only have to run once a week | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | can we stop the madness! | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: +1 | 16:57 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Filters are good | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | seriously, the filtering every which way to Sunday is ludicrous | 16:58 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: I actually did say "let me put on my Duncan hat" when this came up at the PTG. | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | Let's have a generic filtering mechanism and sotp | 16:58 |
| hemna | OpenStack - we love the madness. | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | generic, consistant filtering mechanism +1 | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | I have a spec and first round patch... | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Nice. A new mantra | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder+branch:master+topic:bp/generalized-filtering-for-cinder-list-resource | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder+branch:master+topic:bp/generalized-filtering-for-cinder-list-resource Filtering patches | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441516/ | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | So there's a start of things, and the spec | 16:59 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Filter by tenant (for admins) is missing and important | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | My proposal is that we can go ahead and expose everything the DB lets us fitler on if we want, by using a --filter arg and a json file to control what the admin wants to allow | 17:00 |
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| smcginnis | Sorry, out of time. | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT it's just another filter k/v pair isn't it? | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | volume list filter=tenant:id | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | ok | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Let's go over to #openstack-cinder. | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | til next time dirty rotten filters! | 17:00 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I'm just trying to figure that out, but yeah, I think so | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | hehe | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 15 17:01:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-03-15-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-03-15-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT I'ma answering for you.. .it is :) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-03-15-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 17:01 |
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| bh526r_ | #startmeeting #gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 15 18:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to '_gluon' | 18:00 |
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| bh526r_ | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
| bh526r_ | Hi guys | 18:01 |
| georgk | #info Georg Kunz | 18:02 |
| bh526r_ | Hi Georg | 18:02 |
| bh526r_ | Looks like only you and I | 18:02 |
| bh526r_ | Other people may be confused by daylight savings time | 18:02 |
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| bh526r_ | #topic Admin Update | 18:03 |
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| bh526r_ | #info We just finished OPNFV NetReady meeting | 18:03 |
| bh526r_ | #info Our lab was deployed with Fuel OpenStack Newton, ODL and Gluon Ocata | 18:04 |
| bh526r_ | #info Basic verification was done | 18:04 |
| bh526r_ | #info Next step is to deploy Shim Layer on SDN-C specific VMs | 18:04 |
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| bh526r_ | #info And make Contrail work (Mechanism Driver) with Fuel OpenStack | 18:05 |
| bh526r_ | anything else to add, Georg? | 18:05 |
| georgk | no, that´s all | 18:06 |
| bh526r_ | Thank you Gerog | 18:06 |
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| bh526r_ | #info At an offline conversation, Huawei intended to set up a 2nd lab in Santa Clara | 18:06 |
| bh526r_ | #info They will start to work on the lab setup | 18:06 |
| bh526r_ | #topic PoC Planning for OpenStack Summit and OPNFV Summit | 18:07 |
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| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:12 |
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| bh526r_ | Hi Jin | 18:12 |
| bh526r_ | #info Logistics wise, in OpenStack Summit, we may not have our dedicated booth | 18:13 |
| jinli | Hi Bin, sorry late, just came back from dr appt | 18:13 |
| bh526r_ | no problem | 18:13 |
| bh526r_ | #info Bin is in talk with OPNFV regarding the possibility to share OPNFV booth there | 18:13 |
| bh526r_ | #info OPNFV is discussing it (marketing, admin, event team), and see what are the options, e.g. OpenSource Day booth etc. | 18:14 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Bin will share more information once he knows more from OPNFV | 18:15 |
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| georgk | thanks | 18:15 |
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| bh526r_ | #info For OPNFV Summit, Bin will submit PoC proposal to secure an AT&T Booth as we did for OPNFV Summit in Berlin | 18:16 |
| bh526r_ | #info In terms of PoC scope, there are several options | 18:16 |
| bh526r_ | #info E.g. SFC among controllers. But it appears to be too aggressive to implement within short time frame | 18:17 |
| bh526r_ | #info It is more confident to focus on the core value of Gluon and Proton | 18:17 |
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| bh526r_ | #info So the demo scope could include: | 18:19 |
| bh526r_ | #info (1) 3 YAMLs and Protons/APIs: L3VPN, SFC and P2P. We will write 3 YAMLs for L3VPN, SFC and P2P service models respectively. Then use Particle Generator to generate 3 Protons / 3 sets of APIs respectively. | 18:20 |
| bh526r_ | #info No code is needed to implement those APIs on SDN-C, except those already supported. | 18:20 |
| bh526r_ | #info The value proposition is to enable quick development and deployment of new networking service APIs so as to accelerate time-to-market and improve business agility | 18:21 |
| bh526r_ | #info (2) Then demonstrate a fun use case for interoperability of multiple SDN controllers using Proton API L3VPN. | 18:22 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Minimum code is needed to automate passing RT and RD parameters via Proton L3VPN API so as to enable BGP peering among those SDN controllers | 18:22 |
| bh526r_ | any other thoughts? | 18:23 |
| georgk | yes | 18:24 |
| georgk | regarding the last point, we need to extend the l3vpn api | 18:24 |
| georgk | i guess we need to collect required parameters which need to be added | 18:24 |
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| georgk | right? | 18:24 |
| bh526r_ | That's right. | 18:24 |
| bh526r_ | What about using "protonclient --api net-l3vpn vpnafconfig-create" to pass parameters? | 18:26 |
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| georgk | good point | 18:26 |
| georgk | it is not really used at the moment anyway | 18:26 |
| georgk | i need to see which parameters are needed | 18:26 |
| georgk | at least the remote SDN controller IP | 18:26 |
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| georgk | maybe AS-number | 18:27 |
| georgk | so maybe it makes sense to create a bgppeering object | 18:27 |
| georgk | instead of the afconfig thingy | 18:28 |
| georgk | let´s see | 18:28 |
| bh526r_ | Great. Please figure out what are the parameters needed, and see if current vpnafconfig-create can be reused, or needs to add more arguments for this command, or need a new API endpoint | 18:28 |
| bh526r_ | Currently "protonclient --api net-l3vpn vpnafconfig-create" supports RT values | 18:29 |
| bh526r_ | e.g. "$ protonclient --api net-l3vpn vpnafconfig-create --vrf_rt_type both --vrf_rt_value 1000:1000" | 18:29 |
| bh526r_ | If we need more parameters, we need to extend the arguments at least | 18:29 |
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| georgk | ok | 18:31 |
| bh526r_ | And bgppeering-create makes more sense if we have more parameters other than AFconfig | 18:31 |
| bh526r_ | So first find the list of parameters needed for BGP peering first. Then let's see what is the best way | 18:32 |
| bh526r_ | Thank you Georg | 18:32 |
| bh526r_ | #Action: @georgk figure out a list of parameters needed for BGP peering | 18:33 |
| bh526r_ | Other thoughts? | 18:33 |
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| bh526r_ | Good, let's move on | 18:35 |
| bh526r_ | #topic Planning for Pike | 18:35 |
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| bh526r_ | I think we need Sukhdev and Ian's wisdom regarding RFE in Neutron | 18:36 |
| bh526r_ | I will follow up with them offline | 18:36 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Bin will follow up with Sukhdev and Ian regarding RFE "optional network type" and its implementation in Neutron | 18:37 |
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| bh526r_ | #info We need more volunteer for other Pike tasks | 18:38 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gluon/Tasks-Pike | 18:39 |
| bh526r_ | #info All are encouraged to sign up | 18:39 |
| bh526r_ | #topic Planning for Forum in Boston | 18:39 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Telecom/NFV Etherpad is here: | 18:40 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-Telecom&NFV | 18:40 |
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| bh526r_ | Do you feel we need to create an Etherpad for our own Gluon group session? | 18:41 |
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| georgk | well, we can try - etherpads are cheap | 18:41 |
| bh526r_ | :) OK, I will create one for planning purpose | 18:42 |
| bh526r_ | #info Bin will create an Etherpad for planning a Gluon session | 18:43 |
| bh526r_ | That's pretty much all from my side | 18:43 |
| bh526r_ | Anything else? | 18:43 |
| jinli | bin, I can work on this one | 18:44 |
| jinli | Look into what should be returned when the base URL is accessed, i.e. what is expected by a REST API when the base URL is accessed. Currently, the proton server returns a response body with default_version, version, name, etc. We need to mimic what other APIs do (e.g. Neutron, Nova, etc). | 18:44 |
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| jinli | can you put my name there? | 18:44 |
| jinli | that's in the pike task | 18:44 |
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| bh526r_ | Sure, thank you Jin | 18:44 |
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| bh526r_ | Jin, I just put your name there. Please double check | 18:45 |
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| bh526r_ | Georg, what is your colleague's name that is looking into SFC YAML? | 18:46 |
| bh526r_ | I will put his name under "New service binding model for SFC " | 18:46 |
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| georgk | his name is Juanma, but he might leave SFC due to a re-org | 18:47 |
| georgk | so, not sure it if is good to put his name there | 18:47 |
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| jinli | yes, it is there now | 18:47 |
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| bh526r_ | I see. Thank you Georg for more info. | 18:47 |
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| bh526r_ | Anything else from everyone? | 18:48 |
| georgk | no, i am good | 18:48 |
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| bh526r_ | Good. Thank you everyone. And let's focus on PoC part, and I will work with Sukhdev and Ian to move RFE forward in Neutron. | 18:49 |
| bh526r_ | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:49 |
| georgk | ok, bye | 18:49 |
| bh526r_ | #endmeeting | 18:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 15 18:49:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_gluon/2017/_gluon.2017-03-15-18.00.html | 18:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_gluon/2017/_gluon.2017-03-15-18.00.txt | 18:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_gluon/2017/_gluon.2017-03-15-18.00.log.html | 18:50 |
| bh526r_ | Thank you Georg, Jin and everyone. Bye all | 18:50 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | it's that time again! | 18:59 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | for the storyboard meeting! | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | anyone about? | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I believe SotK will be busy tonight | 19:00 |
| SotK | vaguely | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | haha | 19:00 |
| SotK | about that is | 19:00 |
| SotK | also busy | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :) I intend to race through things | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 15 19:00:48 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zara_the_lemur__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | Monasca intends to migrate to StoryBoard after 20UTC Monday | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | PUT IT IN YOUR CALENDARS | 19:01 |
| SotK | \o/ | 19:01 |
| SotK | also refstack and defcore :) | 19:01 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | ah, was that at the same time, I missed that! | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | wonderful | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Urgent Items | 19:02 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | based on that, I would say the branches patch is somewhat urgent | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | will link shortly | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (one day I'll get the hang of opening all my links *before* the meeting) | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (but it is not this day) | 19:03 |
| fungi | happily, it's already on my calendar ;) | 19:03 |
| fungi | (the monasca move) | 19:03 |
| fungi | (refstack/defcore too) | 19:03 |
| SotK | we don't *need* the non master branches patch for these projects | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ohhhh, in that case that's not urgent then | 19:04 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | SotK: do you know if we need the UUID patch ? | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | oh, diablo_rojo has reviewed that anyway | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so I can merge it | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ace | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | moving on, then | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic In-Progress Work | 19:05 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437469/ | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | that's the branches patch I just mentioned | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks, diablo_rojo! | 19:06 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (and thanks, SotK, for leaving such detailed feedback) | 19:06 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | that's a patch to import non-master branches from launchpad, and I now gather it is not immediately urgent, but the sooner the better. :D | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | as other projects are likely to need it | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | the UUID patch to which I just referred was: | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444593/ | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | which works around an issue where importing two users with the same name in lp would cause an error and halt the import | 19:08 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I've just +A'd it so hopefully that will merge soon. | 19:08 |
| SotK | yay! | 19:08 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :) | 19:08 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | next, some patches I am very excited about... | 19:08 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444614/ | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444644/ | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444615/ | 19:09 |
| SotK | are these my spectacular board speed patches? :) | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | YES | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I still have not actually had time to test/review them, to my undying shame | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but I am so happy even at the idea | 19:10 |
| SotK | :) | 19:10 |
| SotK | they need further work still | 19:10 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | well, it has been possible to have children and grandchildren in the time it takes to load a large board, so I'll be pleased if we can reduce it by a generation | 19:10 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (see before I couldn't complain because you'd implemented it, so it would just be mean, but now you've sent a fix so it cancels it out.) | 19:11 |
| SotK | since I forgot to finish a bit of the changes to the story db api | 19:11 |
| SotK | haha | 19:11 |
| SotK | yeah, the times were unacceptably long | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I am very pleased about those, thanks so much | 19:12 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | we have another patch in review, | 19:12 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445965/ | 19:12 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | It increases the char limit for project and project group names. I've left a comment on the relevant story; I don't know of any reason to oppose it in theory. | 19:12 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I gather the patch itself requires a rework | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so if anyone knows a historic reason for that limitation that we should be aware of, speak now or forever hold your peace | 19:13 |
| * SotK is fine with it once it adds a migration to make the database match the model | 19:13 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I can't remember off the top of my head how the webclient code works with that | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | and if we'd need to update anything there | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | other things... | 19:15 |
| SotK | perhaps we would, I don't recall if we have the limit hardcodes there too | 19:15 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379595/ | 19:15 |
| SotK | good point :) | 19:15 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (I'll have a quick look after the meeting) | 19:15 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (it wouldn't surprise me) | 19:15 |
| SotK | s/hardcodes/hardcoded/ | 19:15 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | the thing linked above is betherly's patch to change less to sass; I left a comment but it pretty much just says 'this is the bit reported in the tests' | 19:16 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I don't know the details around that | 19:16 |
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| * SotK secretly wants to move all the way to sass instead of scss, but that is a bikeshed for the future | 19:16 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so that is likely blocked on someone with more less/sass/css-specific knowledge than I have taking a look | 19:17 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hahaha | 19:17 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | well, nobody will fight you but that's probably blocked for the same reason | 19:17 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I said I would look at removing some story_types things so we could move toward flattening our db migrations | 19:18 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | then suddenly it was this meeting | 19:18 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so... I haven't even started that. | 19:18 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | and now there are board speed patches to try.... | 19:18 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | oh, but since they're not ready | 19:19 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | maybe I can do some work on that tonight | 19:19 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I'll do that, then, and salvage some pride | 19:20 |
| SotK | :) | 19:20 |
| SotK | you can still sample the speed if you like | 19:20 |
| SotK | you just get the wrong story count | 19:20 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | okay, I'll do that (I want to see it!:D), I just won't test toooo thoroughly yet | 19:20 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I think that's it for in-progress work, so will move on... | 19:21 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Discussion | 19:21 |
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| * diablo_rojo sneaks in late | 19:21 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Open Discussion | 19:21 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | haha, well now we have a specific section of logs that will just say 'diablo_rojo sneaks in late' | 19:21 |
| SotK | hey diablo_rojo | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Got distracted by other things | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Sorry! | 19:22 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | np :) | 19:22 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I don't have a lot to discuss, am wondering if we should be doing other Boston things. | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | So, I have reviews I need to do is what I gather from the scrollback | 19:22 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | :) 'need' might be a bit strong where things are being reworked | 19:23 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | OH ACTUALLY WAIT | 19:23 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436702/ | 19:23 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I forgot that | 19:23 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | that is waiting on +1s | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | it has a +2 from me | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | dmsimard raised it some time ago | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (3 weeks, ish) | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | it fixes a bug in search | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | I got a new patchset up for my branch handling | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | could use some more comments | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Getting closer I think. | 19:24 |
| * SotK will attempt to find time to comment | 19:25 | |
| SotK | looked much closer at a glance earlier | 19:25 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ah cool, I linked to it but wasn't sure if you were soliciting comments on it yet | 19:25 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes please :) | 19:25 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ links again | 19:25 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437469/ | 19:25 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | ooh, I like the approach to splitting those urls, suspect you might find they start with a / | 19:28 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (just ran something similar in an editor) | 19:28 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (am worst chair ever) | 19:28 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (since I was like 'oh hey that's a nice way of doing it') | 19:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah I need to make a few more tweaks there, I just threw that in as a starting poitn | 19:28 |
| diablo_rojo | point | 19:29 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (so then wanted to check if it'd work before I publicly embarrassed myself going 'that's nice' if it didn't work at allxD) | 19:29 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (/end context) | 19:29 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | it's looking good at a glance :) | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo | Coolio. If I get comments in the next day or so I can hopefully get a new patch out Friday since I will be gone next week | 19:31 |
| * SotK will do hos best | 19:31 | |
| SotK | s/hos/his/ | 19:31 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | okay, prod me if you haven't heard anything from me on Fri and I'll try to at least get something up then | 19:31 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds good. | 19:32 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I don't think I have anything else to discuss today + am wary of keeping folk longer than necessary | 19:32 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so if nobody has anything else to bring up, I'll end the meeting in the next couple of minutes | 19:33 |
| diablo_rojo | Everything is good to go for Monday so I think we are good. | 19:33 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | \o/ | 19:33 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks (and thanks fungi for volunteering to be around!) | 19:33 |
| SotK | yes, thank you! | 19:34 |
| fungi | i'm around anyway ;) | 19:34 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | haha | 19:34 |
| fungi | but happy to take that on | 19:34 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | tailor my thanks accordingly, then :D | 19:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes yes thank you fungi :) | 19:34 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | welp, adam's left us for the stage once more, so with that... | 19:36 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #endmeeting | 19:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 15 19:36:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:36 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks, everyone :) | 19:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-03-15-19.00.html | 19:36 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-03-15-19.00.txt | 19:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-03-15-19.00.log.html | 19:36 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #startmeeting wos_mentoring | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 15 20:01:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen_alt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'wos_mentoring' | 20:01 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Nicole_! Who else is here for wos_mentoring? | 20:01 |
| Nicole_ | hi emily! | 20:01 |
| MeganR | Hello! | 20:01 |
| Nicole_ | hi megan! | 20:01 |
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| diablo_rojo | hello | 20:02 |
| Nicole_ | hi diablo-rojo! | 20:02 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Megan | 20:02 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Kendall! | 20:02 |
| ekhugen_alt | anyone else snowed in? | 20:03 |
| Nicole_ | no, it looks like all of our snow (in oregon) headed your way! | 20:03 |
| MeganR | I'm in NYC - not snowed in, but wow it is cold! | 20:03 |
| ekhugen_alt | I don't think we need anymore, we got 30" yesterday | 20:03 |
| MeganR | wow! | 20:03 |
| MeganR | in Virginia we only had about 4 inches | 20:03 |
| ekhugen_alt | yeah, everyone said we were going to be on the edge of it and we ended up right in the middle | 20:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Had like six inches Sunday but it didnt last | 20:04 |
| knangia | hi everyone :) | 20:05 |
| knangia | sorry for being late | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Khanak! no worries | 20:05 |
| knangia | talking about weather, I'm in TX, no snow :D | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think we can ship some around :-D | 20:06 |
| Nicole_ | it has felt like the never-ending winter out in oregon! | 20:06 |
| ekhugen_alt | Nicole_ have you had a lot of snowstorms? | 20:06 |
| Nicole_ | yep! far more than usual, | 20:06 |
| MeganR | I can't complain, we've had a pretty warm winter in Virginia - guess it all went to Nicole! :) | 20:06 |
| Nicole_ | usually, we only have max. 3 days of snow. but, this year we've had 3 weeks! | 20:07 |
| knangia | ekhugen_alt: :p | 20:07 |
| ekhugen_alt | oh wow, that is a lot! | 20:07 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #topic Boston Planning | 20:07 |
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| Nicole_ | yes, no one is used to it out where i am. so many days of cancelled school days for my little one! | 20:07 |
| ekhugen_alt | aww, that's too bad, and then they have to go into the summer | 20:08 |
| Nicole_ | yep! | 20:08 |
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| ekhugen_alt | anyway, hopefully it will be warm and beautiful by the time of the Boston summit | 20:09 |
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| diablo_rojo | It'll be warmer than here. | 20:09 |
| ekhugen_alt | yeah, it must be frigid in MN right now diablo_rojo | 20:09 |
| diablo_rojo | No colder than normal | 20:10 |
| diablo_rojo | but everything except Alaska is better than here | 20:10 |
| * ekhugen_alt thinks that's probably a lot colder than she could handle | 20:10 | |
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| diablo_rojo | Its like 33 today so much warmer than it has been | 20:10 |
| ekhugen_alt | oh that is not bad actually | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Not at all. Had the windows open for a while actually :) | 20:11 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, that's not *that* warm | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Anywho, sorry to derail :) | 20:11 |
| MeganR | lol - barely above freezing, but really not bad! :) | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo | MeganR, true statement :) | 20:12 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I think on Boston planning maybe the main topic is the call for mentors | 20:12 |
| ekhugen_alt | did we get any signups on the form diablo_rojo? | 20:12 |
| knangia | so how many responses we received ? | 20:12 |
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| diablo_rojo | We have 10 mentors | 20:13 |
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| diablo_rojo | Pretty good :) | 20:13 |
| knangia | nice :) | 20:13 |
| ekhugen_alt | that is pretty good for the first week after the call | 20:13 |
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| Nicole_ | yeah, that's great! | 20:13 |
| ekhugen_alt | I know nicole at the foundation contacted me about a superuser article too | 20:14 |
| ekhugen_alt | so hopefully that will drive some more signups when it comes out | 20:14 |
| Nicole_ | oh, that's awesome! | 20:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah it definitely will get us a few more | 20:14 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so does anyone have any other ideas for advertising the call for mentors? | 20:15 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think Nicole_ and I put some tweets out that people retweeted, which awesome, thanks! | 20:15 |
| knangia | I can advertise here at OSIC and try getting people signed up | 20:16 |
| ekhugen_alt | that would be great, thank you knangia! | 20:16 |
| MeganR | do we have any specific areas of interest already identified - for example, questions about Ansible, maybe we should reach out to that team | 20:16 |
| knangia | do we just need women mentors or men are also included ? | 20:16 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, I can see if Anne will tweet it from the Openstack handle | 20:17 |
| knangia | so, whats the target number figure we are aiming for mentors ? | 20:17 |
| ekhugen_alt | MeganR I don't think we have any mentee signups yet because that's not out on the schedule, so we don't know that yet | 20:18 |
| ekhugen_alt | and knangia we welcome all mentors and mentees | 20:18 |
| diablo_rojo | I just need to know what info you want in the tweet | 20:18 |
| MeganR | ok, ty | 20:18 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think we were thinking 20-25 mentors would be great (I think in Austin we had about 20 and that was around our max) | 20:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Halfway there then. | 20:19 |
| ekhugen_alt | I told Nicole (foundation nicole) that we wanted signups by April 17, since we were thinking of holding the mentor prep call that week, right Nicole_? | 20:19 |
| Nicole_ | yep | 20:20 |
| knangia | yup | 20:20 |
| Nicole_ | and we're making sure that we're inclusive of both women & men mentors -- baseball cards & caps to distinguish them. | 20:20 |
| ekhugen_alt | so for the tweet basically we're just looking for any experienced stackers looking to share their advice who don't mind getting up early | 20:21 |
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| diablo_rojo | Lol got it | 20:21 |
| ekhugen_alt | for a monday breakfast speed mentoring session, sign up on the form? | 20:21 |
| diablo_rojo | I will pass that along | 20:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Got the link handy by chance? | 20:22 |
| ekhugen_alt | https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/boston_woo_speed_mentoring_baseballcard_info | 20:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Sweet I'm on it | 20:23 |
| ekhugen_alt | ty diablo_rojo | 20:23 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, np | 20:23 |
| Nicole_ | who are the 10 that signed up as mentors? | 20:24 |
| Nicole_ | i'm thinking about reaching out to others at intel who have either participated before, or who i think would be great mentors to ask them to participate | 20:24 |
| Nicole_ | and also others across the community ... | 20:25 |
| ekhugen_alt | good idea Nicole_! | 20:25 |
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| Nicole_ | question about the mentor baseball caps ... | 20:26 |
| Nicole_ | i'm thinking about whether or not to put a "mentor" designation on them. | 20:26 |
| knangia | i just posted on slack, hoping for more sign ups | 20:27 |
| ekhugen_alt | I like the idea of having mentor on them | 20:27 |
| MeganR | +1 for adding Mentor to the hats, great idea | 20:27 |
| Nicole_ | how many (quantity) should we produce? | 20:27 |
| Nicole_ | am thinking that, if wanted to, we could give them to a broader set of people ... will explain ... | 20:28 |
| ekhugen_alt | maybe 25? | 20:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Anne is drafting the tweet now | 20:28 |
| Nicole_ | though i'd like to, i haven't started getting involved in the broader mentor work group activities beyond the summit yet. are there others who have served as mentors that would make sense to add to our numbers. we could give them hats as well. am thinking it would be a great community-building notion. | 20:28 |
| Nicole_ | would that make sense? | 20:29 |
| MeganR | I like that idea, makes sense and is a great gesture | 20:30 |
| Nicole_ | so, if you're a part of the mentor workgroup & have served as a mentor, you would get a cap. your thoughts? | 20:30 |
| ekhugen_alt | that is a really good idea, there are mentors who have helped with upstream and also the longer term mentoring | 20:30 |
| Nicole_ | cool! | 20:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Tweeted | 20:31 |
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| Nicole_ | i would just need the number to provide to the vendor who is producing the caps for us. | 20:31 |
| knangia | good idea Nicole_ | 20:31 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think ildikov probably knows more about how many we have for upstream | 20:31 |
| Nicole_ | ok, i can check with her. | 20:32 |
| ekhugen_alt | and the longer term mentoring, it's kind of petered out, but we had 10 mentor/mentee pairs in the last round of that | 20:32 |
| ildikov | o/ | 20:32 |
| Nicole_ | ah, ildikouv is on the call! :) | 20:32 |
| Nicole_ | *ildikov | 20:32 |
| ildikov | Nicole_: only on IRC | 20:32 |
| Nicole_ | sorry, yes, that's what i meant! | 20:33 |
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| ildikov | Nicole_: but if the question is coaches/mentors for the training in Boston, we're building a team to help out with that, I'm filling up a wiki page to capture volunteers | 20:33 |
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| ildikov | Nicole_: I will be more up to date with numbers once we managed to catch up with the availability of people for the on-site training in Boston | 20:34 |
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| Nicole_ | i'm actually talking about the mentor workgroup community as a whole. those who will be in boston, plus those who may not be. | 20:34 |
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| ildikov | I will also drop a mail to the mailing lists about it once I'm done with the wiki, so you'll have the training related data visible | 20:35 |
| ildikov | look for the os-university tag | 20:35 |
| ildikov | Nicole_: got it | 20:35 |
| Nicole_ | those folks who are part of the mentor workgroup community & have served as a mentor -- either through speed mentoring, long term mentoring, upstream mentoring, etc. -- | 20:35 |
| ekhugen_alt | would that include outreachy mentors too? | 20:35 |
| Nicole_ | am thinking they should all receive a cap. | 20:35 |
| Nicole_ | are the outreachy mentors part of the larger mentor workgroup? i'm less familiar with outreachy. | 20:36 |
| ildikov | Nicole_: we can add that data to this wiki as well if we have overlapping | 20:36 |
| Nicole_ | ok, cool! | 20:36 |
| ekhugen_alt | I don't know that we have a really organized "mentoring workgroup" | 20:36 |
| ekhugen_alt | I mean, we have this one that deals with speed mentoring and the long term mentoring and then we talk with the upstream training because we have mentor overlap at the summits | 20:37 |
| ekhugen_alt | and then victoria (vkmc) I think still runs the outreachy stuff? | 20:38 |
| Nicole_ | ok, let's figure out, taking a look at all of the mentors through all of these different teams/groups, how many there are. | 20:38 |
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| Nicole_ | it may be possible to provide them all with a cap. | 20:38 |
| Nicole_ | to encourage mentorship within the broader openstack community. | 20:39 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, I think between all our matches for long term mentoring we might've had 60 mentors tops (we were less organized in earlier rounds so I think some people signed up and never responded). Speed mentoring we had 20 in Austin and then 10 in Barcelona about | 20:41 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I can send you victoria's email if you want to include the outreachy mentors | 20:42 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so anything else on Boston planning? | 20:48 |
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| Nicole_ | sorry ... got pulled away momentarily ... | 20:50 |
| Nicole_ | yes, please send me victoria's email & i'll reach out to her. | 20:51 |
| Nicole_ | so, emily, you think we'll end up with a total of 60? | 20:52 |
| Nicole_ | am wondering if i should begin to put a list of mentors together so that we can ensure a good total number without overlap? | 20:52 |
| MeganR | that's a good idea, do you want extra for future events? | 20:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Nicole_, +1 | 20:54 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I mean, I think we have a decent amount of overlap so 50-60 should probably be enough, I don't know how many there are for outreachy | 20:55 |
| Nicole_ | yes, megan, i'm thinking extras would be great! | 20:55 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I can pull together a list later this week of the ones from long term + past speed mentoring events | 20:56 |
| ekhugen_alt | and send that to you maybe friday? | 20:56 |
| Nicole_ | fantastic, emily! and i'll reach out to victoria about the number from outreachy. | 20:56 |
| Nicole_ | (once i get her email :)) | 20:56 |
| Nicole_ | kendall, can we also get a list of those who have signed up for mentors in boston? i think you said it was 10. i can do some personal outreach to folks, but don't want to overlap. | 20:57 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, I think I have to close the meeting now but thanks everyone! | 20:59 |
| ekhugen_alt | and stay warm! | 20:59 |
| MeganR | bye | 20:59 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 15 20:59:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-03-15-20.01.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-03-15-20.01.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-03-15-20.01.log.html | 20:59 |
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| notmyname | thanks ekhugen_alt | 20:59 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 15 21:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| dmorita | hi | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| acoles | hi | 21:00 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:00 |
| rledisez | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 21:01 |
| zaitcev | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | clayg: around? we're going to talk about the rebalance stuff | 21:01 |
| jungleboyj | Now that I am not an hour early. | 21:01 |
| notmyname | jungleboyj: :-) | 21:01 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:01 |
| jungleboyj | Time change is truly messing with me this year. | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome everyone | 21:02 |
| notmyname | we've got some interesting and important stuff to cover this week | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | first up, although she's asleep right now, I'd like to welcome mahatic to the swift core team | 21:02 |
| timburke | whoooo! | 21:03 |
| cschwede | \o/ great news, welcome Mahati! | 21:03 |
| dmorita | congrats! | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:04 |
| acoles | congrats Mahati | 21:04 |
| clayg | part time freak out woooo | 21:04 |
| m_kazuhiro | congrats! | 21:04 |
| kota_ | congrats | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #topic awareness patches | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | two patches to make you aware of, and need gerrit attention, but I don't think they need big discussion in here | 21:04 |
| notmyname | first, patch to close a critical bug | 21:05 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444604/ | 21:05 |
| notmyname | so please review that one | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | clayg and mahatic and zaitcev have been looking. thanks | 21:05 |
| zaitcev | I did but I didn't realize it was critical. | 21:05 |
| notmyname | second, thurloat has proposed a patch to make an API to undelete accounts that have been marked as deleted | 21:06 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445160/ | 21:06 |
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| clayg | omg timezones suck so much - the globe is HUGE | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | we've said for about 7 years that we should have an API for this, and thurloat actually took the initiative and put together a patch | 21:06 |
| notmyname | I know that several of us have run in to needing this from time to time | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | so which I don't think it's a time-critical thing to review, I think it's very important to review from the perspective of the API we want | 21:07 |
| clayg | is thurloat around? if patch 445160 works I'm pretty interested? | 21:07 |
| notmyname | this patch adds a header to a proxy PUT verb. maybe that's great. maybe it's not | 21:07 |
| notmyname | but we need to look at it and write down thoughts in gerrit | 21:08 |
| clayg | I'm always scared to start a review on a big deal from a new contributor tho (no offense!) | 21:08 |
| notmyname | he's in -swift, but not here right now | 21:08 |
| notmyname | and IIRC he's in an EU timezone | 21:08 |
| notmyname | anyway, like I said, needs eyes from an API perspective | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's move on to the bigger stuff | 21:09 |
| notmyname | #topic hummingbird->golang->rebalance->oh my! status | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | last week I said I'd come this week with something written up on this topic: what's going on with golang/hummingbird/etc | 21:10 |
| notmyname | there's a couple of things that you shoudl read, but start with this one... | 21:10 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/Fixing-rebalance-and-golang | 21:10 |
| zaitcev | ok | 21:10 |
| notmyname | clayg also wrote up a lot of info in an etherpad that's on the ideas page and linked in my wiki page | 21:10 |
| notmyname | here's the basic summary | 21:11 |
| notmyname | first, golang or not golang, that doesn't matter. language is a tool to solve problems | 21:11 |
| notmyname | and the problem is that rebalances and latency and ops overhead for these are bad | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | we know several reasons why these things are bad | 21:12 |
| clayg | sorry what happened now | 21:12 |
| clayg | yeah! we want big fast and stupid easy! | 21:12 |
| notmyname | eg with rsync, we aren't in the data path. and we don't do a good job of scheduling partition movement. and eventlet's hub is bad for disk IO | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | and we've talked about a lot of different ways to help solve these problems | 21:13 |
| notmyname | one of which is rewriting stuff in golang | 21:13 |
| notmyname | this is the essence of what needs to get done: | 21:13 |
| clayg | stupid eventlet hub and blocking operations - it says right on the tin don't use this if you do blocking io - why'd we do it then!? | 21:13 |
| notmyname | 1) we need a better protocol for moving data between storage nodes | 21:13 |
| notmyname | 2) we need a better way to schedule the work that needs to be done (eg moving a partition or hashing directories) | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | 3) we need a standard protocol for proxy<->storage node communication that doesn't depend on our custom additions to it (I'm looking at you, 100-headers | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | 4) we need a better way to do network-to-disk-and-back operations | 21:15 |
| notmyname | that's it. that's the four things | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | and to be clear, golang is still part of the solution | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | number 4 is solved with a golang object server | 21:15 |
| zaitcev | but rebalance is in replicator, isn't it? Why is proxy-storage commication important? | 21:15 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: its' both repl and ec | 21:16 |
| notmyname | just moving parts to the right place | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | proxy->storage matters for EC and for crypto | 21:16 |
| kota_ | MIME prroglem? | 21:16 |
| kota_ | problem | 21:16 |
| notmyname | and we can't rewrite the object server in golang and not change the protocol unless we also modify standard golang libraries for doing http | 21:16 |
| clayg | aww man I didn't know what a prroglem was - but I definately thought we had one and didn't want it | 21:17 |
| notmyname | so if instead we use a protocol that's more supported across different languages, we can actually solve the problems in the object server more easily | 21:17 |
| zaitcev | kota_: Go supports MIME and 100-continue, but not the way we use them, in partcular extra headers for the 100 reply. | 21:17 |
| notmyname | in other words, the proxy->object protocol isn't itself crucial, but it's needed to vastly simplify the work needed to rewrite the object server | 21:18 |
| kota_ | clayg, zaitcev: ok | 21:18 |
| clayg | zaitcev: can you send a second 100-continue in the middle of a chunked transfer?! | 21:18 |
| notmyname | kota_: yep. the MIME stuff | 21:18 |
| notmyname | including the 100-continue stuff | 21:18 |
| notmyname | so that's why we need the new proxy<->storage protocol | 21:18 |
| notmyname | also, I know I'm saying "storage" instead of "object". only to keep in mind longer-term stuff that may include account/container. but object server is definitely the first thing | 21:19 |
| clayg | *I* don't like the MIME stuff - it's *technically* pretty ok - don't confuse the 100-continue stuff that is acctually wrong, witht he 100-continue stuff that is just annoying, with the MIME stuff that is basically fine except clayg misses curl | 21:19 |
| notmyname | clayg: :-) | 21:19 |
| zaitcev | clayg: no, the runtime decides when to sent one. But it seems to do it just where we otherwise want it, so no issue that I found. The only problem is that it's not possible to negotiate with our extra headers. | 21:20 |
| clayg | unless we *all* miss curl - in which case - heck yeah stupid MIME! | 21:20 |
| notmyname | the point is, something that actually works without our upstream patches to eventlet is what we want | 21:20 |
| zaitcev | I generate MIME body and feed it to curl | 21:20 |
| notmyname | ok, I'm going to rush ahead, then stop for questions | 21:20 |
| clayg | zaitcev: that doesn't sound corect - the *big* problem - the part that's *wrong* is the pause in the middle of the EC stream after sending the body waiting on the 100 continue to send the rest of the MIME document indicating the commit bit | 21:21 |
| notmyname | so to get there (how do we get there john?), here's what we do.... | 21:21 |
| notmyname | first (or zeroth, in the wiki page) is that we realize that the hummingbird branch is great R&D and POC. but it's not something we're going to add to and eventually merge with master | 21:22 |
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| clayg | zaitcev: do you have MIME generating wrapper thing that you can use with pipes like `cat data | python wrap_mine.py | curl <args>`!? | 21:22 |
| notmyname | next, clayg's already been hard at work getting reconstruction and replication to a point where it's not a "hair on fire" situation when someone has big rebalance problems | 21:22 |
| notmyname | that's pretty much done for replication and close for reconstruction | 21:22 |
| zaitcev | clayg: I captured it with wireshark once.... Sorry, not a generated one. | 21:23 |
| clayg | zaitcev: ack | 21:23 |
| notmyname | after that, we need to make a better scheduler for the rebalance work (initially farming work to rsync or ssync), then we make "tsync" | 21:23 |
| clayg | notmyname: wfm, ain't no body been trying to merge hummingbird anyway near as I can tell | 21:24 |
| notmyname | clayg has written a bunch on tsync (see the link in the wiki), and the basic idea here is that it uses http2+grpc (ie common stuff that's not NIH swift team wire protocols) | 21:24 |
| notmyname | alongside the scheduler and tsync work, we need a golang object server that's feature complete | 21:24 |
| notmyname | and we need to do the infra/devstack/testing/etc work to make sure golang is consumable in openstack | 21:25 |
| notmyname | much of this is paralellizable | 21:25 |
| clayg | oh "written a bunch *on* tsync" like "about" not "written a bunch *of* tsync" | 21:25 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:25 |
| notmyname | you're pretty much done right? ;-) | 21:25 |
| clayg | yeah I like that we can work on fixing rebalance seperately from fixing the object-server problem | 21:26 |
| notmyname | that (the pages of ranting I just did) is where we are with solving one of the biggest problems in swift today, and golang is part of the overall solution to it | 21:26 |
| clayg | And I like that going with something like gRPC could make it a bunch easier to migrate the rebalance engine to golang piecemeal | 21:27 |
| notmyname | and that's a basic walkthrough of the wiki page | 21:27 |
| notmyname | so... | 21:27 |
| notmyname | what questions do you have? :-) | 21:27 |
| clayg | and I like the idea of defining the swift consistency protocol seperately from the implementation | 21:27 |
| clayg | this is a pretty good idea actually notmyname - kudos! | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | clayg: well you helped me finish it up yesterday :-) | 21:27 |
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| zaitcev | "hummingbird branch is ... not something we're going to add to and eventually merge with master" - so, what is? | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: I fully expect that some parts of hummingbird will be able to be reused | 21:28 |
| notmyname | as of this moment, that is undefined (ie what branch that will go on) | 21:28 |
| rledisez | is there somewhere any kind of functional tests for object server that could be used in checking golang object-server is complete? | 21:29 |
| clayg | zaitcev: you might be asking "what is the first patch that adds golang to swift master going to be" (it's a good question - do we know?) | 21:29 |
| clayg | rledisez: no, and it's been an annoying gap since we started talking about a hard rewrite of the object server | 21:29 |
| notmyname | rledisez: so far all we have are the probe tests and functests. (ie not complete) | 21:29 |
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| acoles | rledisez: I have had same thought, it would be a great thing to have | 21:30 |
| rledisez | clayg, notmyname: at some point we will need some for our diskfile implem, so we will certainly start the work on that in the following weeks | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: yep! | 21:30 |
| clayg | rledisez: oh some direct object server tests | 21:31 |
| notmyname | rledisez: oh wait? are you saying you'll start on the diskfile stuff? or the tests? | 21:31 |
| clayg | rledisez: for testing current diskfile vs. your implementation | 21:31 |
| clayg | interesting | 21:31 |
| rledisez | notmyname: start working on tests, to test the diskfile we’re working on | 21:32 |
| notmyname | awesome! | 21:32 |
| clayg | we should start an etherpad to brainstorm requirements for that test suite | 21:32 |
| rledisez | compared to the original | 21:32 |
| clayg | is there a bot that will put rledisez on the hook to start that etherpad? | 21:32 |
| notmyname | I'll ask notmynamebot | 21:32 |
| rledisez | :D | 21:32 |
| acoles | rledisez: there are some unit tests that make requests to a port on localhost, IDK if they could be re-used somehow | 21:33 |
| clayg | shit.. now i'm thinking about rledisez's diskfile and entrypoints | 21:33 |
| clayg | stay focused clayg | 21:33 |
| clayg | notmyname: zaitcev: I think there is an open and important question "what is the expected first golang patch to swift" | 21:33 |
| rledisez | clayg: stay focused, but we started today about entry points ;) | 21:33 |
| notmyname | what other questions are therE? | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | clayg: yeah. I don't think we know | 21:34 |
| zaitcev | clarkb: I think notmyname just said "undefined" to that. | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | we've talked about finding something tiny (eg a simple CLI script) to rewrite in golang just to test the mechanics | 21:34 |
| notmyname | to get all the infra mechanics out of the way without it blocking a major patch | 21:34 |
| notmyname | but beyond that, undefined at the moment | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | in general, though, does this make sense to everyone? specifically, the problem, the different parts of the solution, and how golang fits in? | 21:35 |
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| clayg | i don't immediately love the idea of re-writing some trivial component in golang just to prove it's doable - that runs pretty counter to my expectation we'd push back on rewrites just for the sake of rewrites :\ | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | clayg: I think it depends on how much of the infrastructure is in our repo vs external | 21:37 |
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| acoles | it's helpful to have the problem/solution broken down into the contributing parts - thanks for the write-ups notmyname and clayg | 21:37 |
| mattoliverau | I had the idea that the thing we use to test the waters is something like logging, that we can extract from say golang, and would build bridges (and be small to make sense) because is could be the golong oslo.logging or config.. pick one. | 21:37 |
| notmyname | if it's all in the swift repo (eg devstack plugin etc), then we can pretty easily avoid gratuitous rewrite | 21:37 |
| mattoliverau | s/goloang/hummingbird | 21:38 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: I think that's what some of the golang-commons has proposed | 21:38 |
| notmyname | wait. reoder that sentence | 21:38 |
| notmyname | I think that's what some of the proposed golang-commons is about | 21:39 |
| clayg | i think we avoid a bunch of friction if we only golang stuff that's not tested/required in devstack | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | there's a huge amount of questions like this that will come up. and that we can't answer right now | 21:39 |
| notmyname | right now I want to make sure people understand the general idea as presented and if there are any immediate concerns | 21:40 |
| clayg | there is a bunch of questions about "how does openstack golang" that are orthogonal to "how does openstack use a swift that doesn't have a python object server" | 21:40 |
| clayg | like openstack has a way that it doesn't requirements and dependencies and configs and talk to database and access DLM's and ... not all of that effects us | 21:41 |
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| clayg | the part that is really sticky is the stuff that "deploys openstack" that has to change dramatically | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | on the openstack side, I've asked tdasilva and cschwede to help me by working on a TC resolution for the flavio process. | 21:41 |
| mattoliverau | my point is, find a small bit that we can work though all the testing and golong openstack problems, get it right, something huge would take too long, and something useless doesn't help as much but a part of the overall thing is what we want.. | 21:42 |
| cschwede | notmyname: tdasilva is mostly working on this atm, he just sent me a proposal | 21:42 |
| clayg | historically we've been pretty slow to go update that stuff to setup multiple storage policies, multipl regions, ec, encryption - if we change fundementally how swift is deployed from source - we might have to play ball a little more | 21:42 |
| notmyname | clayg: and I want to start talking to other projects about that asap. I'll probably bug mattoliverau about ansible and cschwede about tripleo and find others for other projects | 21:42 |
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| mattoliverau | but anyway sure, this can be moved to a etherpad or out of meeting :) | 21:42 |
| notmyname | yeah, I want to get to acoles's topic too :-) | 21:42 |
| notmyname | so.. everyone excited? terrified? wheeee! | 21:43 |
| zaitcev | wheeee... | 21:43 |
| notmyname | ok, mental context shift coming | 21:43 |
| notmyname | #topic composite rings, how to best expose building in a CLI | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | acoles: this is your topic. what's up? | 21:44 |
| mattoliverau | I'm terri-wheeed | 21:44 |
| mattoliverau | :P | 21:44 |
| clayg | I think zaitcev has the skepticism about the golang object server replacement - but i'm not 100% sure why - we essentially need to rewrite the object server and we have a working example in hummingbird | 21:44 |
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| acoles | ok, so Kota has been doing great work on global EC, we now have experimental support for duplication of frags... | 21:44 |
| notmyname | yay kota_ | 21:45 |
| clayg | so awesome | 21:45 |
| acoles | and his next patch (well one of them ) is composite rings https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441921 | 21:45 |
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| kota_ | thx | 21:45 |
| acoles | and we've an etherpad going to discuss some of the issues around that https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/composite_rings | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/composite_rings | 21:45 |
| notmyname | (for the bots) | 21:45 |
| kota_ | thanks acoles to sketch the issues there | 21:46 |
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| acoles | one particular issue we've been discussing is how best to expose the composition of rings on a CLI, and whether any state needs to be maintained about the composite ring | 21:46 |
| clayg | yup etherpads + acoles == awesomesause | 21:47 |
| acoles | (see the etherpad...) | 21:47 |
| clayg | acoles: it's a *long* etherpad? at somepoint it even gets into other global-ec metaissues | 21:47 |
| clayg | do you want people to go read it now? are you just raising awareness? | 21:48 |
| acoles | and even whether we need at this point in time to put CLI support in place or just have the functions available for people to use if they want to compose rings | 21:48 |
| notmyname | acoles: kota_: great. do we have a particular question or thing to decide in the meeting, or do we follow up next week after people have read it? | 21:48 |
| acoles | No, don't read it now, | 21:48 |
| acoles | I'm raising awareness and seeking any opinions on the etherpad | 21:48 |
| notmyname | ok, great. I'll bring it up again next week to make sure we've collected input and see where we are | 21:49 |
| notmyname | acoles: is there anything else on that topic for today's meeting? | 21:49 |
| acoles | just that specific thing that's been discussed is whether we add support for this to swift-ring-builder, or have another CLI, or ... ? so if you have opinions on that please add them | 21:50 |
| clayg | cschwede: I'm particuarlly interested if you could spare some braincells on the UX for managing composite and component rings - I feel like you have a lot of relevant experience to draw from | 21:50 |
| acoles | +1 that^^ | 21:51 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks for bringing it up | 21:51 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:52 |
| clayg | acoles + etherpads == awesomesause - it is known | 21:52 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:52 | |
| notmyname | please remember to register for the summit, if you're going | 21:52 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: we should get that on a t-shirt | 21:52 |
| notmyname | there's an etherpad with topics we'd like to see discussed... | 21:52 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Swift-brainstorming | 21:52 |
| acoles | clayg: I kinda hate them actually ! | 21:52 |
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| zaitcev | I'm just back from PTG. Seems like Too Soon. | 21:53 |
| notmyname | please update the etherpad. we've got about 5 days before people will pull from that to make topics and schedules | 21:53 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: that just means you bring the aweswomesauce. . or shouhld I say you can spell awesomesauce without acoles ;) | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up this week in the meeting? any more follow up from a previous topic? we've got about 5 minutes more | 21:54 |
| mattoliverau | *cant | 21:54 |
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| mattoliverau | Or regisiter for the forum while it's free (if you were at PTG).. and then hope to come (I'm in this boat) | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | if you need a ticket and didn't get a free one, please ping me. I might be able to find one or two | 21:55 |
| notmyname | anything else? shall we end a few minutes early? | 21:56 |
| mattoliverau | early mark! (or should I say breakfast) | 21:56 |
| acoles | notmyname: clayg are you planning to add a forum topic on rebalance-awesomeness work? | 21:56 |
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| jungleboyj | For those of you that are having trouble getting management backing there was a note that came out from the foundation explaining why technical representation was important. | 21:57 |
| jungleboyj | Check my twitter feed @jungleboyj or the @openstack feed for the link. | 21:57 |
| notmyname | the forum topics need to be operator-focussed, so we;ll try to add one phrased like that | 21:57 |
| notmyname | jungleboyj: got it handy now? | 21:57 |
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| * jungleboyj looks quick. | 21:57 | |
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| acoles | notmyname: yes, might need a different slant than the wiki content | 21:58 |
| notmyname | acoles: definitely | 21:58 |
| zaitcev | "ops who has rebalances running more than 72 hours after a drive replacement please register to this session" | 21:58 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:58 |
| notmyname | yes! | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | thank you for your hard work on swift. the project is better because of everyone here | 21:58 |
| notmyname | have a good rest of your day! | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 15 21:59:06 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-03-15-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-03-15-21.00.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-03-15-21.00.log.html | 21:59 |
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| jungleboyj | Found it: https://www.openstack.org/blog/2017/03/helping-ptg-attendees-and-other-developers-get-to-the-openstack-summit/ | 21:59 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:59 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:59 |
| jungleboyj | notmyname: Welcome. I thought I had retweeted it. Was wrong. :-) | 21:59 |
| notmyname | jungleboyj: I put it in -swift | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | I was looking for that a while back and didn't find it | 22:00 |
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| jrichli | i think i retweeted it | 22:00 |
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| jrichli | notmyname: i do retweet to support something ;-) | 22:01 |
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| jungleboyj | So do I! :-) | 22:01 |
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