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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 05:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 22 05:30:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 05:30 |
| gongysh | helo guys | 05:30 |
| gongysh | #topic roll up | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll up (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:30 | |
| gongysh | who are here to join tacker meeting? | 05:30 |
| YanXing_an | o/ | 05:30 |
| tbh | o/ | 05:30 |
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| Zhou_Zhihong | o/ | 05:31 |
| JimmyYe2528 | o/ | 05:31 |
| diga | o/ | 05:31 |
| dkushwaha | o/ | 05:31 |
| gongysh | hi Zhou_Zhihong | 05:31 |
| tung_doan_ | o/ | 05:31 |
| Zhou_Zhihong | hi | 05:31 |
| gongysh | is sridhar_ram here? | 05:32 |
| sridhar_ram | o/ | 05:32 |
| * gongysh is missing sridhar_ram | 05:32 | |
| tung_doan_ | hi sridhar_ram | 05:32 |
| sridhar_ram | hi everyone.. missed last week, glad to be back | 05:32 |
| gongysh | yes, we have many of you at the meeting. | 05:32 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, welcome back to meeting. | 05:33 |
| YanXing_an | sridhar_ram, missing you | 05:33 |
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| trinaths | o/ | 05:33 |
| gongysh | hi, trinaths , welcome | 05:33 |
| gongysh | trinaths is doing great job at tacker client unit mock replacement. | 05:34 |
| gongysh | trinaths, thanks. | 05:34 |
| gongysh | let move to next topic | 05:34 |
| trinaths | gongysh: thank you. but been struck.. | 05:34 |
| sridhar_ram | trinaths: great ... familiar face, welcome! | 05:34 |
| trinaths | sridhar_ram: hi, thank you. | 05:34 |
| gongysh | #topic project activity stats | 05:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "project activity stats (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:34 | |
| gongysh | #link http://stackalytics.com/?metric=marks&module=tacker | 05:35 |
| gongysh | hi guys, in particular core reviewers, please look at out project's review, commit data. | 05:35 |
| gongysh | we are improving, but still lag behind. | 05:36 |
| gongysh | many of openstack project are in dormant status. | 05:37 |
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| gongysh | the projects which ranking after 100 ... | 05:37 |
| gongysh | we can imagine their status. | 05:37 |
| trinaths | gongysh: what are the suggestions for improvement? | 05:37 |
| gongysh | so we have to keep up with our efforts. | 05:38 |
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| gongysh | trinaths, be active is the only way. | 05:38 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, I will improve my review | 05:38 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, thanks. | 05:39 |
| trinaths | gongysh: ok. | 05:39 |
| gongysh | #topic features or BPs | 05:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "features or BPs (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:39 | |
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| gongysh | the first topic is still task rescheduling | 05:40 |
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| gongysh | today I got reviews from sridhar_ram and dkushwaha | 05:40 |
| diga | gongysh: that's the reason I was saying, handover module wise responsibilities of reviews each member like we do for features, if we have less member of core people | 05:40 |
| gongysh | one comment I want to say is: long live task is done by the framework, and I want shot one let them go to mistral. | 05:41 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: i saw ur response for long-running vs one shot .. | 05:41 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: ... can mistral support long running tasks ? | 05:41 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, I don't think so. | 05:42 |
| * sridhar_ram wondering whether we can punt the scale problem to mistral | 05:42 | |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, gongysh no | 05:42 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: okay.. | 05:43 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, you are saying mistral does not support long live task, right? | 05:43 |
| sridhar_ram | i think it will be confusing to have two different wasnt to write "tasks" in tacker | 05:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | s/wasnt/ways/ | 05:43 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, right. We need to give a time limit in mistral | 05:43 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: time limit is okay, but can we do a task in a loop ? | 05:44 |
| gongysh | So since mistral will become part of tacker system, we will make more use of mistral. | 05:44 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, I will check it, but IMO it looks not possible | 05:44 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: gongysh: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mistral/Long_Running_Business_Process | 05:45 |
| gongysh | such as start vnf, scaling vnf, update vnf, etc, these all can be put into mistral. | 05:45 |
| sridhar_ram | we use heat stack for many of these operations .. | 05:45 |
| sridhar_ram | ... it will be good to have clear demarcation .. which method to use for which tasks | 05:46 |
| sridhar_ram | .. it will avoid confusion .. for all of us | 05:46 |
| gongysh | TOSCA workflow system in future will be mistral dependent. | 05:47 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: gongysh: better to ask Mistral PTL (Renat) | 05:47 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: +1 | 05:47 |
| gongysh | #action ask mistral PTL renat for our long-live task support. | 05:48 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, you are always able to come up with different ideas. | 05:48 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: didn't mean to slow down ur efforts ;-) | 05:49 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, ideas are always important too. :) | 05:50 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: mistral has some good practical deployments .. particularly in StackStorm product.. used in NetFlix .. | 05:50 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, I will ask mistral PTL if mistral is ok for long live task we need. | 05:50 |
| gongysh | thanks | 05:50 |
| gongysh | next topic | 05:50 |
| sridhar_ram | sure | 05:50 |
| gongysh | #topic vim credential barbican solution | 05:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "vim credential barbican solution (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:51 | |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, could you please update? | 05:51 |
| YanXing_an | I am working on the barbican spec, trying write some draft code, will update the spec before next meeting. | 05:52 |
| * gongysh is waiting for YanXing_an to wake up | 05:52 | |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an, please come up with spec first. sridhar_ram will probably change your mind. :) | 05:53 |
| sridhar_ram | LOL | 05:53 |
| sridhar_ram | already working on it ;-) | 05:53 |
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| YanXing_an | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445543/, it's still in WIP | 05:53 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya was the lead dev for fernet key ... missing her insights | 05:54 |
| * gongysh has a sip of coffee | 05:54 | |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, sripriya is enjoy her coffee somewhere. we cannot find her for a long time. | 05:55 |
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| gongysh | enjoy -> enjoying | 05:55 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, ok we are waiting for your spec. | 05:56 |
| YanXing_an | sridhar_ram: if barbican is used, the fernet is not necessary? IMO | 05:56 |
| gongysh | So we will have barbican, mistral, keystone being our parts of tacker system then. | 05:56 |
| sridhar_ram | YanXing_an: we shouldn't need it .. we need move away from file (disk) based credential store for scalable tacker | 05:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | YanXing_an: with barbican, we will move to API based which is good | 05:57 |
| gongysh | next topic | 05:57 |
| gongysh | #topic NS with vnffg | 05:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "NS with vnffg (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:58 | |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, would you like to elaborate it? | 05:58 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, I have WIP initial spec for vnffg-ns https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448109/ | 05:58 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, and I am working on it | 05:59 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, the nice assii diagram, I don't have the patience to draw it even with that tool. | 05:59 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: trozet is intererested to co-author .. please include him in the spec and implementation | 05:59 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, it will be great help if trozet can join | 06:00 |
| trinaths | in vnffg, its only with ODL ? | 06:00 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, yesterday, I have tested the networking-sfc with ovs driver. | 06:00 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: he has capacity this cycle to co-author | 06:00 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, yes sure, I will add him. | 06:00 |
| gongysh | it works for asymmetric vnffg. | 06:01 |
| gongysh | but for the symmetric, there is still a bug. | 06:01 |
| gongysh | trinaths, networking-sfc can work with ODL | 06:01 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: you mean, networking-sfc now support symmetric but it is buggy ? | 06:02 |
| gongysh | in vnffg, our current solution is to integrate with networking-sfc. | 06:02 |
| gongysh | networking-sfc will use ovs or odl driver. | 06:02 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, right. | 06:02 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: okay | 06:02 |
| trinaths | gongysh: ok | 06:03 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc/+bug/1674588 | 06:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674588 in networking-sfc "Can not to find the back group is set with symmetric chain" [Undecided,New] | 06:03 |
| tbh | dkushwaha, if trozet is not available, I would like to join the efforts in vnffg | 06:03 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, it is a concern, networking-sfc is not an active project. | 06:03 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: heads up, even if this bug is fixed.. there might be issues in tacker sfc driver side .. | 06:03 |
| sridhar_ram | .. for symmetric | 06:04 |
| gongysh | if we depend on it, we have to risk. | 06:04 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: really ? i haven't looked at their stats .. i thought lfourie and cathy are active | 06:04 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, yes, that will be a small fix. | 06:05 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: we shd flag it to neutron PTL (kevin) .. *if* we get slow response | 06:05 |
| dkushwaha | tbh, sure, I will confirm it with trozet again | 06:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | i might meet armando and some sfc folks in the upcoming ONS summit | 06:05 |
| gongysh | tbh, you can start with vnffg, to fix the symmetric bug. | 06:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: i agree with gongysh, that diagram in the spec is super cool | 06:06 |
| gongysh | tbh, I mean even with networking-sfc fixed that bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc/+bug/1674588 | 06:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674588 in networking-sfc "Can not to find the back group is set with symmetric chain" [Undecided,New] | 06:06 |
| gongysh | tbh, tacker needs a small fix too | 06:07 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, gongysh Thanks :) | 06:07 |
| gongysh | next I want to talk about is | 06:08 |
| tbh | gongysh, I will work on those | 06:08 |
| gongysh | #topic bp persistent-block-storage | 06:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bp persistent-block-storage (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 06:08 | |
| gongysh | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/persistent-block-storage | 06:08 |
| gongysh | even though I have come up with a block-mapping solution, I think we need a tosca solution. | 06:09 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an has said the china mobil guy will take it. | 06:09 |
| YanXing_an | Zhou_Zhihong wants to help with it | 06:09 |
| Zhou_Zhihong | gongysh,I'll try to work on it | 06:10 |
| gongysh | Zhou_Zhihong, hi | 06:10 |
| gongysh | Zhou_Zhihong, welcome on board. | 06:10 |
| sridhar_ram | Zhou_Zhihong: welcome to tacker! | 06:10 |
| gongysh | please write a spec and let sridhar_ram to review. | 06:10 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram is expert on tosca. | 06:10 |
| Zhou_Zhihong | I'm newer to tacker and need time to fimiliar with the feature | 06:11 |
| sridhar_ram | can't claim being a expert, but will sure can help on the TOSCA side.. to come of up appropriate storage attributes | 06:11 |
| gongysh | with this, we will have floatingip ( in review), address pair, (merged), block-image ( to be drafted) | 06:11 |
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| Zhou_Zhihong | OK,thanks sridhar_ram first | 06:12 |
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| gongysh | ok, we are expecting Zhou_Zhihong 's spec. | 06:12 |
| gongysh | let's move to | 06:12 |
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| gongysh | #topic bugs or REFs | 06:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs or REFs (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 06:13 | |
| gongysh | first bug is vnfc image position | 06:13 |
| gongysh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1673012 | 06:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1673012 in tacker "Place vnfc image" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to yong sheng gong (gongysh) | 06:14 |
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| gongysh | I have skipped the vnfc functional test since it breaks our CI now and then. | 06:14 |
| gongysh | it is the github limit. I think | 06:15 |
| sridhar_ram | make sense.. not too surprised by github throttling | 06:15 |
| gongysh | so I plan to put the image to https://tarballs.openstack.org/tacker/ | 06:15 |
| gongysh | this is the way kolla team is doing. | 06:15 |
| sridhar_ram | i tried the vnfc image script.. it worked fine, though it took quite some time generate the file | 06:15 |
| gongysh | we will need a few more CI job to do it. | 06:16 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: are you planning to generate fedora vnfc image on every CI job run ? | 06:16 |
| gongysh | so if we have this job running, and want to update the image, we will just need to update one of file in our devstac/vnfc | 06:16 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram you got it. | 06:17 |
| gongysh | we will let the image updating job to be intelligent. | 06:17 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, have I made clear? | 06:18 |
| sridhar_ram | on my baremetal server, it took 8 mins for the script to spit out a qcow2 image | 06:18 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: if i understand you correctly, you will conditionally update this file in the tarballs location ? on what condition you would run this script ? | 06:19 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, Ci job has a precondition, for example the files under a particular dir | 06:21 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: okay, will wait for you related PS .. conditional update, if possible, is a fine approach | 06:21 |
| gongysh | nine mins to go | 06:21 |
| gongysh | next bug | 06:22 |
| gongysh | vnffg functional test. | 06:22 |
| gongysh | JimmyYe2528 uploaded a patch 5 days ago. | 06:22 |
| gongysh | but it is WIP. | 06:22 |
| JimmyYe2528 | today, i will update it | 06:22 |
| gongysh | so please keep on updating it. | 06:22 |
| JimmyYe2528 | got it | 06:23 |
| gongysh | vnffg is a pearl of our tacker. | 06:23 |
| gongysh | we need to make it work. | 06:23 |
| gongysh | next bugs https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tacker+branch:feature/falcon-api-framework | 06:24 |
| gongysh | API branch's CI is broken | 06:24 |
| gongysh | so make an eye on these review so that API work can go right. | 06:25 |
| gongysh | #topic open discussion | 06:25 |
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| gongysh | I want leave some time for every one. | 06:25 |
| gongysh | so what do you guys have in mind? | 06:25 |
| trinaths | gongysh: you are talking leave ? | 06:26 |
| YanXing_an | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447773/, need some reviews | 06:26 |
| dkushwaha | trinaths, ;) | 06:26 |
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| trinaths | gongysh: how to check this pagination ? | 06:27 |
| dkushwaha | YanXing_an, SURE | 06:27 |
| gongysh | trinaths, how should I say? | 06:27 |
| trinaths | gongysh: i'm confused :( | 06:27 |
| dkushwaha | YanXing_an, sure | 06:27 |
| gongysh | trinaths, you can generate a dozen vnfd | 06:27 |
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| trinaths | gongysh: okay. | 06:28 |
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| gongysh | and to test the pagination feature of API. | 06:28 |
| sridhar_ram | trinaths: put vnfd-create in a loop | 06:28 |
| YanXing_an | dkushwaha, thanks | 06:28 |
| trinaths | sridhar_ram: ok got it | 06:28 |
| trinaths | gongysh: since othe project client are aligning to osc, tackerclient do the same ? | 06:29 |
| gongysh | trinaths, will. | 06:29 |
| gongysh | trinaths, if you want to take it, you can start. | 06:29 |
| gongysh | one minute. | 06:29 |
| trinaths | gongysh: okay. I will start that work. integrating tackerclient to osc. | 06:30 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 06:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 22 06:30:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-03-22-05.30.html | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-03-22-05.30.txt | 06:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-03-22-05.30.log.html | 06:30 |
| gongysh | thanks everyone | 06:30 |
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| joehuang | hello | 14:00 |
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| zhiyuan | hi | 14:01 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 22 14:01:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 14:01 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 14:01 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 14:01 |
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| joehuang | #topic Pike-1 patches review | 14:03 |
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| joehuang | for VxLAN L2 networking, there are two patches are waiting for approve | 14:04 |
| joehuang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425131/ | 14:04 |
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| joehuang | Shared VxLAN (Part4: bridge network l3) | 14:05 |
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| joehuang | Shared VxLAN (Part5: bluk create shadow port) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444112/ | 14:05 |
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| joehuang | and the spec is waitfing for approve too: | 14:06 |
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| joehuang | Cross-pod VxLAN network spec | 14:06 |
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| joehuang | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429155/ | 14:06 |
| joehuang | I would like to know if there are more comments on the way for these patches | 14:07 |
| zhiyuan | I have just submitted a patch for the vxlan network doc and release notes: https://review.openstack.org/448524 | 14:07 |
| joehuang | thank you, zhiyuan, this is what we just need to have pike-1 release | 14:08 |
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| joehuang | ok, will talk to Victor after he is online if he need to do more review for the first 3 patches | 14:10 |
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| joehuang | how about other patches which target at pike-1 is still in review | 14:11 |
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| joehuang | as far as I know, QoS spec is still in review | 14:12 |
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| zhiyuan | there are three features: qos spec, wsgi deployment and multi-region job | 14:14 |
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| zhiyuan | I have voted +2 for the second and third one | 14:14 |
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| joehuang | ok, for wsgi and multi-region, need to consult victor, whether he need more time to review | 14:15 |
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| joehuang | For Qos spec, several rounds review may be needed | 14:15 |
| zhiyuan | qos spec was updated this afternoon. I will check it tomorrow morning | 14:16 |
| joehuang | good | 14:16 |
| longxiongqiu | thinks zhiyuan. :) | 14:17 |
| RongHui11 | thank you zhiyuan | 14:17 |
| joehuang | #topic Pike-1 release | 14:18 |
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| joehuang | consider that there are still several patches in review, and our milestone is ahead of Neutron pike-1, how about to postpone the milestone pike-1, we need to include VxLAN features | 14:19 |
| joehuang | as tricircle is cycle-with-intermediary project | 14:21 |
| zhiyuan | postpone to the end of this month? | 14:21 |
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| joehuang | it's not date based milestone, but feature based milestone | 14:21 |
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| joehuang | I think it's ok, Neutron's pike is in early of Apirl | 14:22 |
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| joehuang | It's Apr.10 ~ Apr.14 | 14:23 |
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| joehuang | what's your proposal for milestone pike-1 reschedule? | 14:23 |
| zhiyuan | I think the end of this month is fine. So we can have enough time to review the qos spec and my change for the doc | 14:24 |
| electrocucaracha | #info electrocucaracha | 14:25 |
| joehuang | hello, victor, morning | 14:25 |
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| electrocucaracha | hey good morning joehuang | 14:25 |
| zhiyuan | morning victor | 14:26 |
| joehuang | we are talking about whether to postpone pike-1 | 14:26 |
| electrocucaracha | hey zhiyuan | 14:26 |
| joehuang | consider that there are still several patches in review, and our milestone is ahead of Neutron pike-1, how about to | 14:26 |
| joehuang | postpone the milestone pike-1, we need to include VxLAN features | 14:26 |
| joehuang | as tricircle is cycle-with-intermediary project | 14:26 |
| joehuang | it's not date based milestone, but feature based milestone | 14:26 |
| joehuang | zhiyuan's proposal is " the end of this month " | 14:27 |
| electrocucaracha | basically all depends on reviews instead of coding right? | 14:28 |
| electrocucaracha | I mean, the patches has been submitted and it's only matter of doing reviews to complete them | 14:28 |
| joehuang | yes, and also want to know do you need more time to review these patches, there 5 patches got zhiyuan's or mine +2 | 14:28 |
| joehuang | yes | 14:29 |
| joehuang | for patches target at pike-1 | 14:29 |
| electrocucaracha | yes, sounds reasonable | 14:29 |
| joehuang | so let's postpone the pike-1 to Mar.31 | 14:30 |
| joehuang | and for tricircle-client, could submit a patch to make a release | 14:30 |
| electrocucaracha | yes, I'm going to consult to dasm how do it | 14:31 |
| dasm | electrocucaracha: ack. i can assist you with that | 14:31 |
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| joehuang | I know how to do that | 14:31 |
| joehuang | one second | 14:31 |
| * dasm is neutron release liaison :) | 14:31 | |
| joehuang | ok | 14:32 |
| joehuang | just like this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432166/ | 14:32 |
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| electrocucaracha | princenana and sindhu are adding more UTs to the client, that will give us more stabiliy | 14:32 |
| joehuang | submit a patch in release repository | 14:32 |
| joehuang | ok, we can wait for that | 14:33 |
| joehuang | after these patches are merged, then I can do the release work for tricircle-client | 14:33 |
| joehuang | #info pike-1 postponed to Mar.31 | 14:33 |
| joehuang | #info add more UT for tricircle-client to make it more stable | 14:34 |
| dasm | joehuang: fyi. pie1 is Apr 10-Apr 14 | 14:34 |
| dasm | https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 14:34 |
| dasm | *pike1 | 14:34 |
| dasm | so, you're not even postponing, but you're planning to release it earlier | 14:34 |
| joehuang | yes, but tricircle released a little early, should we make it being aligned to Neutron | 14:35 |
| dasm | joehuang: ack | 14:35 |
| joehuang | tricircle is cycle-with-intermediary | 14:35 |
| joehuang | but not cycle-with-milestone | 14:35 |
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| joehuang | we planned to release pike-1 tomorrow, from our plan, it's "postpone" :) | 14:37 |
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| joehuang | more comment on the release plan? | 14:38 |
| joehuang | sorry, I missed some information | 14:38 |
| joehuang | electrocucaracha said he can do release, and dasm can assist electrocucaracha | 14:39 |
| joehuang | my fault, I did not catch this information | 14:39 |
| joehuang | so, electrocucaracha, I am pleased that you can do the release work | 14:40 |
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| electrocucaracha | joehuang: sure no problem | 14:40 |
| electrocucaracha | sindhu, dasm and I are in the same office | 14:40 |
| joehuang | that's great! | 14:41 |
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| joehuang | I am so sorry that I just made a fault | 14:41 |
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| joehuang | thank you electrocucaracha and dasm, sindhu :) | 14:42 |
| joehuang | #info electrocucaracha to release tricircle-client | 14:42 |
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| joehuang | next topic | 14:43 |
| joehuang | #topic Demo and talk of VNF high availability across OpenStack with Tricircle in OPNFV Beijing summit | 14:43 |
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| joehuang | hello | 14:43 |
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| joehuang | for the demo, there is one video conferrence APP is recommended | 14:44 |
| joehuang | to do the high availability across OpenStack cloud | 14:44 |
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| joehuang | with the help by Tricircle | 14:45 |
| sindhu | joehuang: hi :) | 14:45 |
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| joehuang | hi, sindhu | 14:45 |
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| joehuang | nice to meet you here | 14:45 |
| sindhu | joehuang: sorry for joining in late | 14:45 |
| joehuang | always welcome | 14:46 |
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| joehuang | I will discuss with the committers in OPNFV in more detail about the demo | 14:46 |
| sindhu | thank u :) | 14:46 |
| joehuang | and will share information here | 14:47 |
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| joehuang | and discuss topics as needed | 14:47 |
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| joehuang | And also planned to submit a presentation in OPNFV beijing summit together with Victor | 14:48 |
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| joehuang | victor proposed to use the title ¡°Shared networks to support VNF High Availability across OpenStack Multi Region deployment¡± | 14:48 |
| joehuang | your comments? | 14:49 |
| joehuang | and more presentations to submit? | 14:49 |
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| zhiyuan | good titile | 14:49 |
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| joehuang | thank you zhiyuan | 14:51 |
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| joehuang | if no more comments, then it's time for open discussion | 14:51 |
| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 14:51 |
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| joehuang | any other topic to be discussed | 14:51 |
| electrocucaracha | well, yesterday I saw a patch for removing log translations | 14:52 |
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| electrocucaracha | apparently there is an effort from i18n team to remove that information | 14:52 |
| joehuang | yes, it's good idea to remove log translation | 14:52 |
| electrocucaracha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448162/ | 14:53 |
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| joehuang | it's hard to do maintainnce using translated info :) | 14:53 |
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| joehuang | +1, will review that | 14:53 |
| joehuang | and I also submitted a spec for east-west networking enhancement | 14:53 |
| joehuang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448359/ | 14:54 |
| joehuang | please review the enhancement, it'll make it more flexible on networking demands | 14:55 |
| electrocucaracha | ack | 14:55 |
| zhiyuan | Shall we also create a patch to remove log translations in tricircle? | 14:55 |
| princenana | ok | 14:55 |
| joehuang | already some patches submitted in tricircle for log translation | 14:56 |
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| zhiyuan | i see | 14:56 |
| joehuang | ok, if no other topics, we may end the meeting | 14:57 |
| joehuang | think you for attending the meeting | 14:57 |
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| joehuang | /s/think/thank | 14:58 |
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| electrocucaracha | fyi, we won't be able to attend the summit | 14:58 |
| electrocucaracha | :'( | 14:58 |
| joehuang | electrocucaracha, a little pity | 14:58 |
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| joehuang | I think whether I can fly to Austin to meet with you | 14:59 |
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| electrocucaracha | that will be nice, at least you'll have the opportunity to meet all OSIC | 15:00 |
| joehuang | yes | 15:00 |
| joehuang | discuss offline | 15:00 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 22 15:00:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-03-22-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-03-22-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-03-22-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
| joehuang | thank you, bye | 15:00 |
| RongHui11 | bye | 15:01 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 22 16:00:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | wxy viks ketonne abishop sivn breitz | 16:00 |
| mdovgal | hi | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| viks | o/ | 16:00 |
| rajinir | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! | 16:00 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| DuncanT | How is it Wednesday again? | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | The usual: | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:00 |
| karthikp_ | hi | 16:00 |
| abishop | o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | I've seen some new driver reviews going - good to see that. | 16:00 |
| hemna | yough | 16:00 |
| wxy| | hello | 16:00 |
| Swanson | Hello | 16:00 |
| wiggin15 | hi | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu_ | hey | 16:01 |
| mdovgal | DuncanT, Are you surprised?) | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | It is DuncaT again! | 16:01 |
| DuncanT | mdovgal: Very much so. I entirely didn't notice until I get the pop up from smcginnis announcing the meeting | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Glad it's useful. :D | 16:02 |
| hemna | DuncanT, you aren't the only one :) | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Just a couple of other quick announcements, then we can discuss more if we have open time at the end. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | If there are any Cinder specific sessions we want at the Summit, apparently we were supposed to have been discussing that and brainstorming. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | But since that's completely opposite of the original message, I missed that one. | 16:03 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | So just an FYI. Let me know if anyone has anything. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | And just for awareness, Pike-1 is coming up in a few weeks. | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I'll not be there, but "what is broken" is always the most useful feedback... we mostly hear from vendors wanting to add stuff, rarely from users who're trying to make use of what we have | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis you are spreading untruths | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis it CANT be already :) | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Not an alternative fact! | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | #fakenews | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: +1 | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | #topic 3rd part CI | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "3rd part CI (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:05 | |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I think we brought it up last week, but ran out of time. | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | shhhweeet | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ci-proposals Changing 3'rd party CI requiremen | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | Yeah... https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ci-proposals | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | was hoping to see outrage and general dissent on that etherpad... | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | but since there's nothing there I guess that means we're all in agreement and life is good? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Or everyone is just happy with it. :) | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis you're the eternal optimist! | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 16:06 |
| * jungleboyj sees unicorns and rainbows | 16:06 | |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Can we filter on CI results? | 16:07 |
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| e0ne | jgriffith: I'm all for these changes | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | Bahhhh!!!! | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | hehe | 16:07 |
| * jgriffith 's head just exploded | 16:07 | |
| tommylikehu_ | lol | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | He he he. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Should we do an official vote? | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | ok... so seriously; does anybody have any thoughts or objections to lowering the bar and taking a stricter approach to CI ? | 16:07 |
| * smcginnis frantically looks up the voting syntax | 16:07 | |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis oh.. yes! We haven't had an official vote in a long time | 16:07 |
| DuncanT | It has to be worth a try... waht we have is a complete mess | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT agreed | 16:08 |
| eharney | stricter how? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | eharney if you can't pass a nightly it's easy to track and I don't think we need to be very lenient | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | eharney driver gets listed as unsupported or whatever | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: So no long grace period if they are not passing? | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | eharney and it can be automated | 16:09 |
| eharney | the puzzling part to me is why the overall results are so bad after this many years... do we have some vague understanding of why so many CIs don't work? | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | eharney no more "somebody send an email to xyz" | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Are we doing Nightly or Weekly? | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj that's a great question | 16:09 |
| hemna | eharney, there are just an infinite list of reasons why they fail it seems | 16:09 |
| eharney | it's not really clear to me what being stricter would actually accomplish | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | How strict it is very much depends on that. | 16:09 |
| hemna | the environment is always a moving target | 16:10 |
| e0ne | IMO, nightly should be good | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | eharney the only thing it would gain is automating the process | 16:10 |
| viks | I agree, there can be multiple reasons for failure | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | HTTP501 Enclosure on Fire | 16:10 |
| tommylikehu_ | I have to mention not every country have a good network as the us do | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | tommylikehu_ yeah, that's fair | 16:10 |
| e0ne | and if we can get automatically CI triggering on driver's patch - is would be great | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | eharney so if you don't like the proposal or have input I'd love to get your feedback | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | I think weekly would be fine, and we can trigger on specific relevant patches. | 16:11 |
| Swanson | Occasionally they run off with our CI equipment. 404, I guess for that one. | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | eharney I'm just trying to come up with a way to manage the disaster we currently have and perhaps make it something more useful | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | 404 - CI rig not found | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | I know a few of us have hit that one. | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | currently IMHO it's only slightly more than useless | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | We had originally talked weekly. Doing the passing and a forced failure run. | 16:12 |
| hemna | as a side note, we should also discuss any ramifications for os-brick patches and CIs. | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | eharney thoughts? | 16:12 |
| wiggin15 | I'm not entirely sure what we will gain by changing "test every patch" to "test nightly". Not a lot of drivers are "unstable", most are either "always not working" or "always working". So basically we will change to "fail on every commit"/"pass on every commit" to "fail every night"/"pass every night". | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | Ok... so maybe let folks ponder this for a week and vote or propose changes next week? | 16:13 |
| eharney | my thoughts are more around what exactly the goals are with third party CI and how we should approach it in general | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | eharney do you have any interest in sharing those thoughts with the group :) | 16:13 |
| eharney | because years of evidence seems to point toward just banging on CIs to work better is not going to be an easy road | 16:14 |
| hemna | I thought we discussed this at the PTG ? | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | eharney and FWIW that's exactly why I wrote that up and it's exactly what we discussed in ATL | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | hemna +1 we did | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | anyway, if nobody actually has anything to say about it I don't want to waste meeting time on it | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | I think it's clear what we have now is not working the way we had envisioned. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | And I think we all want the CI results to be more useful | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis +100000000000000000000000000 | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | I t++ | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | In that respect I think it's worth exploring ways to make the signal to noise ratio better. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis if nothing else that's all I'd like to accomplish | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | Let's let it stew for a week and bring it up again after more folks have had time to mull it over. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | works for me | 16:17 |
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| jungleboyj | Sounds good. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Alrighty... | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | maybe we should just add it as a topic for Australia now :) | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | #topic Filtering and the API | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Head explosion time again. :) | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | so many of you may have noticed that this has become a bit of a hot button for me | 16:18 |
| * jungleboyj puts on my blast shield | 16:18 | |
| jgriffith | We have all sorts of convenience filters being added here and there for different resources | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | I certainly get that it's a nice thing to have and can be useful | 16:18 |
| tommylikehu_ | based on jgriffith and eharney's spec I think we would finally have one command for create one command for delete ........ | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Good thing we have DuncanT here, the patron saint of large deployments. :D | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | but it makes for a rather inconsistent mess of things in the API | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis not any more :) | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I've still got the scars... they never heal | 16:19 |
| e0ne | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441516/ | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | anyway... my proposal may not be clear | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | the point was basically that we already have list filters on most of the resources at the DB layer | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | rather than add another 27 micoversion bumps over the next release for a filter here and there | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | I'd like to propose instead we just leverage the db filter mechanism | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | allow a *generic* --filter arg to the resource list calls | 16:21 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: +1 | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | generic in terms of db keys | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | also, give the admin the ability to specify what they want to allow via a filters list file | 16:22 |
| hemna | is that a direct line into sql ? re: sql injection | 16:22 |
| * DuncanT likes jgriffith's spec. Need to check again the list is sane (it was missing tenantid last time I looked, and I forgot to leave a review comment) but the idea looked great. Being able to graba list of what you can filter by from the API is nice. We should get good defaults, since almost nobody will change them | 16:22 | |
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| jgriffith | that could then be used not only to make sure things are valid, and they're things the admin wants to allow, BUT also it could be used for the end user to query the system and see what's available/valid | 16:22 |
| tommylikehu_ | jgriffith: that make sense ,+1 | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT the current example just takes what was added for volumes to the config file | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | hemna: That was my initial reaction, but I believe it's not an issue with this case. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | also, tenant id doesn't make sense for an end user cuz... well they can only view their tenant id resources :) | 16:23 |
| hemna | ok, we should just be careful and make sure we can't allow end users to bork the DB with a filter. | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Yeah. I think it just needs tenantid adding (for admins and nested project types) | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | hemna it's not, it's just allowing you to set the filter k/v pairs | 16:24 |
| tommylikehu_ | hemna: I think we will still take advantage of current filter logic in db layer | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | hemna if you provide something that's not in the valid list file it gets popped and ignored | 16:24 |
| hemna | ok sweet | 16:24 |
| hemna | thanks, I just wanted to raise and ask. | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | hemna DuncanT eharney https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444598/ | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Nova has something similar. Right? | 16:25 |
| viks | we wil need to validate filter value types as well | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: users in nested projects can see other people's volumes | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj I don't know | 16:25 |
| viks | i mean certain filter values are key/value itself | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT ok | 16:25 |
| viks | e.g. metadata filters | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I thought we had talked about this at the PTG and concluded they did. I could be wrong though. | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj don't know for sure, don't know that I care either :) | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I saw that coming. ;-) | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | anyway, sounds like eharney doesn't like this idea... are there questions that I can answer maybe? | 16:26 |
| eharney | i haven't looked at the code, i think the spec just didn't give me the right idea of what was being proposed | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | eharney fair enough | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | I suck at writing specs | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | It seems impossible to really convey the ideas without code | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | eharney maybe that link to the code will help | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT I think you're missing an important point here | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444598/2/etc/cinder/resource_filters.json | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | we can add anything and even everything here | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | or a cloud operator can do it | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | BUT | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | what I put there for now is stricly an example | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | and it's based off of what people already approved/merged here: | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: We should have good defaults... most operators won't and shouldn't change it | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT that's fine | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT run a tox -egenconfig | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | we already merged a change that puts those things as the default in the config file directly | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | I just copied them over | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Ah, got you | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | I don't care if we just provide a default list of *everything* or keep it compatable, or whatever | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444598/2/cinder/api/common.py | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Why the json then? Why not just read fromt he config file if it is already there? | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT line #48 | 16:32 |
| tommylikehu_ | DuncanT: that could be another option | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | We can undepricate them from the config file if that makes more sense than a json file | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | I kind of like having it separate from the config file. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT tommylikehu_ yeah, the main reason was that I thought it would be pretty fugly by the time you added all of that in the config | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | Kind of like the policy file. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis +1 | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, it reminds me of that. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | Not a fan of fugly. | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Our config file is already pretty fugly :-) I'm not religious about it either way, as long as it has been vaguely considered | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT I considered it, thought it sucked so didn't do it | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Hey now. Don't talk about our baby that way. | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Fair enough | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Should we move on to the next one? | 16:35 |
| tommylikehu_ | jgriffith: if we have the default value and the user only required to add or remove filter keys, will that help to maintain the config things | 16:35 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: sorry, slow type speed | 16:36 |
| eharney | tommylikehu_: the problem there is you can't ever update the default list later | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | tommylikehu_: That makes the config file hard to read though | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: No problem! | 16:36 |
| tommylikehu_ | DuncanT, eharney, ok | 16:36 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Did we lose you? | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: IMO Make the defaults at least a bit more inclusive, and ship it | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Head exploded. | 16:37 |
| Swanson | (Maybe his head really did explode.) | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | sorry | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I'm afraid of that! | 16:37 |
| * jungleboyj plays taps | 16:37 | |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj you wish! | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | You all wish! | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | so this one kinda piggy backs on the whole filtering madness | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Nah ... Wouldn't be the same without you. | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | So I have an opinion that an API isn't something to just have crap bolted on to over the years to hack things in | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | in other words, it shouldn't try to deliver every convenience wrapper that you can think of to users | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | but instead it should be well designed, stable, infrequently changing and give you everything you need | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | more exotic things should be left to the consuemr | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | consumer | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I don't think things like filtering are convenience wrappers... try doing a detail list with 10k volumes. Our API performance sucks enough already. | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | as such, it would be interesting to consider returning *data* to callers to enabl ethem | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | so I thought it might be worth considering just returning data without the fancy view builders etc for users that want it | 16:40 |
| tommylikehu_ | DuncanT: that's why we need like filter | 16:40 |
| eharney | are we on the client/shell topic now? | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | eharney yeah | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | #topic Client/Shell output format | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | at least I thought we were :) | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Now we are. :) | 16:41 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: are you around? :) | 16:41 |
| mdovgal | e0ne, :D | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | e0ne :) | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Wondered when you were going to transition. | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | anyway... | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Wasn't sure if we were ready or not. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Yes, let's please move on. :) | 16:42 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: in general, this idea looks like a good options for operators who doesn't want to use curl | 16:42 |
| eharney | so we're talking about formatting data that's been processed by the client, right, not raw HTTP responses? | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | regardless of all the debate, is there value in providing an option to return json data in the client shell? | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | eharney yeah, basically the json payload | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | eharney otherwise just use pycurl :) | 16:43 |
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| e0ne | jgriffith: IMO, it's needed only for CLI | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Could be useful with jq. Easy to write bash scripts for things. | 16:43 |
| eharney | which json payload? | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | eharney TBF though it's the same as just doing "import client.... xyz lajdslfjaldsf " | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | Syntax error on line 1 | 16:43 |
| eharney | it would be great to take what the CLI is printing into tables now and do that as json | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | eharney: +1 | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | eharney so for example instead of passing the resultant volume list through the view builder just return a json blob | 16:44 |
| eharney | but not raw server responses | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | eharney +10000 | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | eharney: +1 | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | eharney: +1 again | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | exactly what I mean | 16:44 |
| eharney | great | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | holy shit eharney and I agree on something today! | 16:44 |
| eharney | yay :) | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | now if DuncanT and I agree the world is sure to end | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I see value. I wouldn't consider it a high priority thing to get in, but seems like it could be useful. | 16:44 |
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| jungleboyj | Nice. | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | LOL | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis yeah | 16:44 |
| e0ne | unbelievable! | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis the nice thing is it's super easy | 16:44 |
| eharney | qemu-img has this feature, it's nice | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | Maybe we should just stop here. :D | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | Well, in the interest of time, since there's no major "hell no" | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | 's, move on? | 16:46 |
| e0ne | 15mins reminder | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | #topic Backup service initialization | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, seems like everyone is ok with the idea. | 16:46 |
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| smcginnis | Not sure who added this one. | 16:46 |
| mdovgal | yes | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367439 - feature's spec | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446518 - Problems with swift driver for this feature | 16:46 |
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| mdovgal | so e0ne added spec about backup service driver init check | 16:47 |
| mdovgal | and during realizing this feature in code i came across some troubles connected with swift driver | 16:47 |
| mdovgal | idea was to check at least connection to backend at the startup moment, but for swift we don't have enough information | 16:48 |
| e0ne | it's mostly because we use user context to connect to swift | 16:48 |
| mdovgal | and at the moment of startup we don't have this info | 16:49 |
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| e0ne | we can just verify if swift-related config options are configured well | 16:49 |
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| eharney | could it just check to see that the swift endpoint is alive/reachable instead? | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | Ah yes. Fun. You don't even know what server to talk to if you're (sensibly) using the one from the catalogue | 16:49 |
| e0ne | eharney: yes, we can | 16:49 |
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| mdovgal | and this spec was created due to bug connected to swift | 16:50 |
| mdovgal | so we can just check the config | 16:51 |
| e0ne | we've got one more problem with implementation | 16:51 |
| e0ne | we use new backup driver instance for each call | 16:51 |
| e0ne | so, we have to re-initialize it | 16:51 |
| e0ne | that's why I do propose to refactor manager to bi similar with volume manager | 16:52 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: Seems reasonable. | 16:53 |
| mdovgal | now we don't have one best solution for this situation | 16:53 |
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| DuncanT | So I believe that currently you can tell backup to use whatever swift endpoint is in the catalogue? | 16:54 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT: yes, we can | 16:54 |
| eharney | yes | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | In which case, two different users can be backing up to different swift endpoints... | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | 5 minute warning. | 16:55 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: oh... I understood the issue | 16:55 |
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| mdovgal | we can't do it. having one object of backend driver we need to reconnect every time | 16:56 |
| mdovgal | DuncanT, +1 | 16:56 |
| e0ne | mdovgal: I would like to play with your code a bit more | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | Ok, having stated the problem I'll hide in the corner until somebody has a good fix then :-) | 16:57 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: you're welcome to fix it:) | 16:57 |
| mdovgal | DuncanT, :) | 16:57 |
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| e0ne | so, we'd to 2 items now: | 16:57 |
| e0ne | 1) we're ok to refactor backup manager to be like a volume manager | 16:57 |
| e0ne | 2) we have to resolve issue with swift driver and different users/swift servers | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | 2 minutes | 16:58 |
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| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: I'll leave your topic on the agenda for next time. | 16:58 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: sure | 16:58 |
| e0ne | I'll work with mdovgal on PoC for this fix | 16:58 |
| mdovgal | is everything ok with e0ne's proposition? | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | e0ne, mdovgal: Sounds good. | 16:59 |
| mdovgal | smcginnis, ok. tnx) | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Sounds ok to me. | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone. Times up. | 16:59 |
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| DuncanT | e0ne: I wrote the current code, you can see what a mess I made :-) | 16:59 |
| viks | :| | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 22 17:00:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-03-22-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-03-22-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | It's all DuncanT's fault. | 17:00 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: :) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-03-22-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 22 18:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
| pcarver | #info Paul Carver | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Paul | 18:01 |
| pcarver | hi | 18:01 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | Hi Kamil | 18:02 |
| krenczewski | Hi Bin | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | Georg is on a business trip, so he will miss the meeting today | 18:02 |
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| jinli | Hi everyone | 18:02 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Hi Jin | 18:03 |
| robert_tao | Hi All! This is Robert | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #info Admin Update | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Admin Update (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:03 | |
| bh526r | Hi Robert | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #info No update | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #topic Bug Fix Patch | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug Fix Patch (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:04 | |
| bh526r | Let's discuss an easy one | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | #info Jin submitted a patch to remove unused import statements | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446776/ | 18:05 |
| bh526r | Any comments? | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #info Tin Lam commented, and Jin uploaded a patchset 2 | 18:06 |
| bh526r | Any objection to approve and mege it? | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | #info Team consensus is to approve and merge it | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #info Bin will take the action | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #topic PoC Status | 18:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PoC Status (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:09 | |
| bh526r | #info (1) Lab Status | 18:09 |
| bh526r | #info Gluon was deployed to Pharos Lab in Germany, and basic verification was done | 18:10 |
| bh526r | #info Kamil is working on deploying Mechanism Driver for Contrail in the same OpenStack environment | 18:10 |
| bh526r | #info to achieve the interoperability between Contrail and other SDN-Cs through Gluon | 18:11 |
| bh526r | Kamil, any more update? | 18:11 |
| krenczewski | I've fixed the env | 18:11 |
| bh526r | great | 18:11 |
| krenczewski | but Juniper node is still as deleted | 18:11 |
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| krenczewski | Georg suggest tu create another VM | 18:12 |
| bh526r | Do you mean the Compute Node or the virt-manager node? | 18:12 |
| krenczewski | I am nt sure how much resources I can assign to it | 18:12 |
| krenczewski | The compute node | 18:12 |
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| bh526r | You can set up the virt-manager node first for Contrail | 18:12 |
| krenczewski | I was trying to re-add the compute node, but Fuel complains about not able to sync time | 18:13 |
| bh526r | I am sending you the spreadsheet that we discussed in December regarding resources for each SDN-C, including Contrail | 18:13 |
| bh526r | I see. | 18:13 |
| krenczewski | It is probably related to network config issure that I can't explain | 18:13 |
| krenczewski | Thanks | 18:13 |
| robert_tao | We are bringing up ONOS in the Huawei node, and will need to work with Georg on getting a BGP session with ODL | 18:13 |
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| krenczewski | Ok, so if Contrail is to use separate node outsize the fuel env | 18:14 |
| krenczewski | then does we need its compute node? | 18:15 |
| bh526r | Let me send you another architecture diagram of lab setup | 18:17 |
| bh526r | Kamil, I sent you both the lab architecture diagram and sheet of resource allocation | 18:18 |
| krenczewski | Got it, thank you | 18:19 |
| bh526r | Under the same openstack environment, each SDN-C will run on a VM, which is managed by virt-manager | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | So SDN-C is outside of OpenStack environment. For example, Contrail is running separate on a VM of virt-manager | 18:20 |
| bh526r | But Contrail's Mechanism Driver should be deployed in OpenStack Controller node | 18:20 |
| krenczewski | correct | 18:20 |
| bh526r | Then Mechanism Driver will work with Contrail that runs on a separate VM | 18:21 |
| bh526r | Compute Node, which is part of OpenStack environment, will host the Guest VM, which attaches ports and networks managed by SDN-C | 18:22 |
| krenczewski | Ok, got it | 18:23 |
| bh526r | For example, user creates port and network via Contrail, and then boot a VM with that port and network on the Compute Node assigned to Contrail | 18:23 |
| bh526r | The assignment of Compute Node is just to make sure that each participant has its resource to boot Guest VM | 18:24 |
| bh526r | And not to over use others' resources | 18:24 |
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| krenczewski | OK | 18:25 |
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| bh526r | Ideally, we shouldn't care about Compute nodes. Whoever needs to boot VM, just boot it and let Nova to schedule it. | 18:25 |
| bh526r | But our resources are very limited (CPU, RAM and disk) | 18:26 |
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| bh526r | So we have such resource allocation to make sure everyone has minimum resources to run its SDN-C and Guest VM within our very limited resource pool | 18:27 |
| bh526r | Kamil, anything else do you need in order to continue and complete setup of Contrail with Gluon? | 18:27 |
| krenczewski | I think that is all | 18:28 |
| krenczewski | Thanks | 18:28 |
| bh526r | Great, thank you Kamil. and look forward to hearing your good news | 18:28 |
| bh526r | Then once Georg is back, he may help with the Compute Node issue. | 18:28 |
| bh526r | #info Kamil gets necessary information to continue and complete the setup | 18:29 |
| bh526r | Robert, are you still here? | 18:29 |
| bh526r | How about your 2nd lab in Santa Clara? | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | Looks like we lost Robert | 18:31 |
| bh526r | #info Status of 2nd Lab in Santa Clara is unknown. Will follow up with Robert | 18:32 |
| bh526r | #info (2) L3VPN API - Parameter List for BGP Peering | 18:32 |
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| bh526r | #info Georg is on business trip. Will follow up with Georg once he is back to office | 18:33 |
| bh526r | #info (3) SFC YAML | 18:33 |
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| bh526r | #info Georg mentioned in OPNFV NetReady meeting last week that someone has worked on a simple SFC YAML | 18:34 |
| bh526r | #info We need more information. Need to follow up with Georg | 18:34 |
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| bh526r | #info (4) P2P YAML | 18:34 |
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| bh526r | #info Sukhdev and Ian had a very good discussion in Juniper on last Friday. Sukhdev will document the solution, which will naturally supports P2P | 18:36 |
| bh526r | #info (5) Contrail Status | 18:36 |
| bh526r | #info We already covered it. Thank you Kamil | 18:36 |
| bh526r | #info (6) PoC Scenario Description | 18:36 |
| bh526r | #info We already discussed it last week | 18:36 |
| bh526r | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_gluon/2017/_gluon.2017-03-15-18.00.html | 18:37 |
| bh526r | #info Bin will document it and put it on wiki | 18:37 |
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| Sukhdev_ | Hi Folks | 18:37 |
| bh526r | Hi Sukhdev | 18:37 |
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| Sukhdev_ | Heard a ping on my laptop did not know what it was :-) | 18:37 |
| bh526r | I mentioned that you and Iab had a very good discussion on last Friday, and you will document the solution. | 18:38 |
| Roberttao | An update of the 2nd lab: I am putting hardware together and will configure the topology next | 18:38 |
| bh526r | I used your name "Sukhdev" in my message | 18:38 |
| bh526r | perhaps it generated a "ping" in your laptop? | 18:39 |
| Sukhdev_ | haleyb : yes - that was it | 18:39 |
| bh526r | Great, thank you Robert | 18:39 |
| Sukhdev_ | bh526r : If you need me, I will be around | 18:40 |
| bh526r | Sure. I know you are busy, and will document it next week. So don't worry :) | 18:40 |
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| bh526r | #info Robert is back, and reported that he is putting hardware together for 2nd lab in Santa Clara, and will configure the topology next | 18:42 |
| bh526r | OK, we have several items to follow up with Georg. | 18:42 |
| bh526r | #topic Planning for Gluon Pike Release | 18:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Planning for Gluon Pike Release (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:43 | |
| bh526r | #link Planning for Gluon Pike Release | 18:43 |
| bh526r | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gluon/Tasks-Pike | 18:43 |
| bh526r | #info All please review and sign up | 18:44 |
| bh526r | #topic Planning for Forum in Boston | 18:44 |
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| bh526r | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-Telecom&NFV | 18:45 |
| bh526r | #info Bin proposed a topic of "Containerized, Cloud Native Microservice in NFV Networking (Gluon)" there | 18:45 |
| bh526r | #info Now the formal submission window is open. | 18:45 |
| bh526r | #info Bin will work with Session Chair to get it submitted | 18:46 |
| bh526r | #info This is an additional topic, besides a proposal of Service Modeling Method by Georg and Bin, which has been accepted for Summit | 18:47 |
| bh526r | Does anyone else have new topics? | 18:47 |
| ildikov | bh526r: hi | 18:48 |
| bh526r | Hi ildikov | 18:48 |
| ildikov | bh526r: we now opened the official submission for the Forum | 18:48 |
| bh526r | Yes, that's great | 18:49 |
| ildikov | bh526r: this is the form: http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/create | 18:49 |
| bh526r | Cool | 18:49 |
| ildikov | bh526r: and here you can find guidelines and hints for proposals: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum | 18:49 |
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| bh526r | Sure. I will work with Jamey to submit it. Jamey is trying to organize the submissions | 18:50 |
| ildikov | bh526r: it is important to have a moderator for the session you propose, so I wanted to reach out to you regarding the one that's on the etherpad already | 18:50 |
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| ildikov | bh526r: to give a heads up on the official proposal period and to ensure you are prepared to submit the session | 18:51 |
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| ildikov | bh526r: also one of the main purposes of the Forum is having discussions that involves both the developers and the users/operators | 18:51 |
| bh526r | Thank you ildikov. Will "Telecom & NFV" be one session? Or each topic be a separate session? | 18:52 |
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| ildikov | bh526r: I think it will be separate | 18:52 |
| bh526r | Cool. Do you have suggestion of the session chair/moderator for the session I proposed? | 18:53 |
| ildikov | bh526r: so when you propose yours having the subject and goals as a standalone topic there would be the way to go | 18:53 |
| ildikov | bh526r: and also try to highlight how the users will be involved in the discussion, what they will benefit and what you expect from them and what you wish to discuss | 18:54 |
| ildikov | bh526r: will you or anyone from the team be there? | 18:54 |
| bh526r | I see. Thank you for the hints. | 18:55 |
| bh526r | Yes, I will be in Boston. | 18:55 |
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| ildikov | bh526r: would you be comfortable with moderating? | 18:55 |
| bh526r | I should be fine. And usually it is better to have 2 moderators. Will you be able to help too if your time permits? | 18:56 |
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| ildikov | bh526r: yes | 18:57 |
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| ildikov | bh526r: I will need to look into the schedule as you pointed out, but I plan to attend the Telecom/NFV ones | 18:57 |
| ildikov | bh526r: the deadline for submissions is April 2nd if I remember correctly | 18:58 |
| bh526r | ildikov: great, thank you for help. So I will get it submitted as soon as possible (after talking with Jamey) | 18:58 |
| ildikov | bh526r: feel free to ping me if you have any questions or need help before submitting | 18:58 |
| bh526r | Yes, it is April 2nd | 18:58 |
| bh526r | Sure, definitely Ildikov | 18:58 |
| ildikov | bh526r: sounds great, thank you! | 18:58 |
| bh526r | Thank you too | 18:58 |
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| bh526r | We are on top of the hours | 18:59 |
| bh526r | That's all from my side | 18:59 |
| bh526r | If nothing else, we can adjourn the meeting | 18:59 |
| bh526r | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:59 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 22 19:00:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-03-22-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-03-22-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-03-22-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
| bh526r | Thank you everyone, and bye all | 19:00 |
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| krenczewski | Bye | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | anyone about for the storyboard meeting? | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I'm aware both fungi and diablo_rojo are away today | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so expecting it to be very short | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 22 19:01:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zara_the_lemur__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | Monasca, defcore and refstack have been successfully migrated! | 19:01 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | you can see the projects here: | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/list | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks, to everyone who was involved! :) | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I believe it was split between fungi and SotK; I was lurking but didn't do much. | 19:02 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | moving straight on ... | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Open Discussion | 19:03 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I'm skipping 'in progress work' this week since I'd be talking to myself. | 19:03 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | in-progress work can be found in the usual places | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/storyboard | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient | 19:04 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/python-storyboardclient | 19:04 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/boartty | 19:04 |
| * SotK waves | 19:05 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hi there | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | if you have anything to discuss, now's a good time to discuss it xD | 19:06 |
| * SotK doesnt think he has anything | 19:06 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I am wondering about whether we should be doing a cross project session in boston | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but I'd rather talk about that in a week when diablo_rojo's around to get her thoughts on that | 19:07 |
| SotK | that seems sensible | 19:08 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I can keep this meeting short, then. :) I probably need to do a better job of advertising it. | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | wow, that's almost an action item | 19:10 |
| SotK | almost | 19:10 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #action zara_the_lemur__ to actually advertise the storyboard meeting next week | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | there we go? | 19:11 |
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| SotK | \o/ | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :) | 19:13 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ will end the meeting now | 19:13 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | discussion can continue in #storyboard if we want; I don't think we require the structure of a meeting to keep things orderly... | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #endmeeting | 19:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 22 19:13:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-03-22-19.01.html | 19:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-03-22-19.01.txt | 19:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-03-22-19.01.log.html | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | that's gotta be a new record | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | not even 15 mins | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | had I realised it'd be this quiet in advance, I'd've cancelled it, but didn't give it much thought, sorry | 19:15 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #startmeeting wos_mentoring | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 22 20:00:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen_alt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
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| ekhugen_alt | Hi who's here for WOS mentoring? | 20:00 |
| MeganR | Hi | 20:01 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Megan! | 20:01 |
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| ekhugen_alt | gosh is it just the two of us this week? | 20:03 |
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| ekhugen_alt | Hi Nicole! | 20:03 |
| nicoleh | Hi Emily! | 20:04 |
| nicoleh | i'm getting excited for boston ... this is gonna be fun! | 20:04 |
| ekhugen_alt | yes, definitely | 20:04 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I think we'll talk first about your list of mentors? | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | #topic mentors list | 20:05 |
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| nicoleh | yep, sounds good! | 20:07 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so did you have any more questions about the mentors list? | 20:08 |
| nicoleh | so far, i have a list of the long term mentors & am looking for a list of the upstream & outreachy mentors. | 20:08 |
| nicoleh | provided that our plan is to give a baseball cap to all of these mentors, i'm trying to come up with a final count. | 20:09 |
| ekhugen_alt | ildikov did you see the email from nicoleh? | 20:09 |
| ildikov | nicoleh: for the upstream training we're still finalizing the list | 20:09 |
| ildikov | ekhugen_alt: yep, I have it, couldn't get there yet, sorry :( | 20:09 |
| nicoleh | ildikov: does the list of upstream mentors change each summit? | 20:09 |
| ildikov | nicoleh: yes | 20:09 |
| nicoleh | ah, ok | 20:09 |
| nicoleh | perhaps we can do this a different way then ... | 20:10 |
| nicoleh | how many do you usually have per summit? | 20:10 |
| ildikov | nicoleh: people need to get travel approvals, not everyone is sticking around, etc | 20:10 |
| ildikov | nicoleh: 10-15 total I think | 20:10 |
| nicoleh | ok, great! | 20:10 |
| ildikov | nicoleh: some of them can join only one day, etc | 20:10 |
| nicoleh | we'll add 10-15 to the our total list, and give you the caps so that you can give them to the upstream mentors -- sound good? | 20:11 |
| ildikov | nicoleh: sounds great, thank you! | 20:11 |
| nicoleh | cool! | 20:11 |
| nicoleh | ildikov, would the upstream mentors also be interested in the baseball cards? | 20:12 |
| ildikov | nicoleh: hmm, good question | 20:12 |
| nicoleh | i'm not sure how the upstream mentor program works ... | 20:12 |
| nicoleh | say, if it's similar to the speed mentoring session where they might use the cards to give to mentees? | 20:12 |
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| ildikov | we are putting more emphasis on the on-site event currently and need to figure out whether we will have follow-ups, etc. | 20:13 |
| ildikov | our mentors/trainers are presenting and we have hands on sessions where mentors are sitting together with a group of people | 20:13 |
| ildikov | we are planning to pair mentors to groups | 20:13 |
| nicoleh | ok, no worries, if they won't use the cards during the event, then we'll only give them the caps. :) | 20:14 |
| ildikov | I'm certainly more sure about the caps :) | 20:14 |
| nicoleh | cool! | 20:14 |
| ildikov | what's your deadline on the cards? | 20:15 |
| nicoleh | the week of apr 17 | 20:15 |
| ildikov | ok, great | 20:15 |
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| nicoleh | but i need a near-final count for budgeting purposes | 20:16 |
| ildikov | will give it a second thought when Kendall is back and will let you know if we changed our minds | 20:16 |
| ildikov | let's stick with the caps for now | 20:16 |
| nicoleh | ok, sounds good! so, we've got the upstream mentors covered then! what about the outreachy mentors? | 20:16 |
| ildikov | Kendall is back next week, so we will not be last minute | 20:16 |
| ekhugen_alt | I don't see vmkc online, and I guess she didn't respond to the email? | 20:17 |
| ildikov | nicoleh: thanks for doing/organizing this! | 20:17 |
| nicoleh | absolutely, ildikov! | 20:17 |
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| nicoleh | emily, i haven't heard back from vmkc yet. | 20:18 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I think I saw that outreachy applications are due soon, so they must have a list of possible mentors/projects | 20:18 |
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| ekhugen_alt | maybe she hasn't had a chance to respond yet? | 20:18 |
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| nicoleh | very possible. | 20:19 |
| ekhugen_alt | oh actually, they have a list of mentors on their wiki page | 20:19 |
| ekhugen_alt | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Outreachy | 20:19 |
| nicoleh | does outreachy happen similar to the speed mentoring session & the upstream mentor group ... meaning, we could get a guesstimate count & give them out during the onsite event? | 20:20 |
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| nicoleh | emily, just looked at the outreachy wiki page. this is perfect -- it gives us the rough count i was referring to! | 20:22 |
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| ekhugen_alt | great, sorry I didn't think of that earlier! | 20:22 |
| nicoleh | no worries! i didn't either! | 20:22 |
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| nicoleh | remaining question: do we know what the current mentor count is, and who they are? i'd like to see if we need to start personal outreach. | 20:23 |
| ekhugen_alt | sorry, from all three sources, or are you just talking about the list I sent, Nicoleh? | 20:24 |
| nicoleh | oops -- sorry! | 20:24 |
| nicoleh | i meant, who has specifically signed up as a mentor for the speed mentoring session in boston. | 20:24 |
| nicoleh | was that the list you sent in email, emily? | 20:25 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think that Kendall shared the list with me of who signed up for Speed Mentoring in Boston | 20:25 |
| ekhugen_alt | sorry I should've included that with the other list | 20:25 |
| nicoleh | no worries! do you mind passing it along? | 20:26 |
| ekhugen_alt | there are 15 people on the list, but there's a fair amount of overlap with the other mentor list | 20:26 |
| ekhugen_alt | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c_TXXQnITg4VqixppmxZAaJB2QnJOxbso_Kv5Y1C2Us/edit#gid=0 | 20:26 |
| ekhugen_alt | can you see that spreadsheet? if not I'll just send the list in an email | 20:27 |
| MeganR | it says that I need permission, don't know if I need to be added | 20:27 |
| nicoleh | it is giving me the same message -- that i need permission. | 20:28 |
| ekhugen_alt | I just added you meganr | 20:28 |
| ekhugen_alt | nicoleh, do you have a gmail address? | 20:28 |
| MeganR | thank you, I can see it now | 20:29 |
| nicoleh | ah, yes ... uoduckswtd@gmail.com | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, nicoleh, you should have it now | 20:29 |
| nicoleh | i can see it now, thanks! | 20:29 |
| nicoleh | this is perfect! i'll reach out to a few colleagues to enlist them as mentors! | 20:30 |
| ekhugen_alt | cool, thanks! | 20:31 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think it's great we already have 15 signups | 20:31 |
| MeganR | that is a good number | 20:32 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so anything else on the mentor list or on Boston while we're at it? | 20:33 |
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| nicoleh | i don't think so, not from my end. | 20:33 |
| ekhugen_alt | #topic long term mentoring | 20:34 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I put this on the agenda just because we haven't talked about it in awhile | 20:34 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think end of January we checked in with mentors and mentees (we had 10 matches then) | 20:35 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I don't think there have been many new signups, but I wondered if it was worth doing a signup push and another round of matching before Boston? | 20:35 |
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| ekhugen_alt | hm yeah, maybe we'll just not do another round of matching, unless we have a sudden surge in interest | 20:39 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #topic open | 20:40 |
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| ekhugen_alt | anything else anyone has to discuss? | 20:41 |
| MeganR | I think after Boston would be good - feed off of the enthusiasm after the summit | 20:41 |
| MeganR | I don't have anything for open | 20:41 |
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| ekhugen_alt | that's a good idea MeganR | 20:41 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, I think we can end early then, thanks everyone! | 20:44 |
| ekhugen_alt | #endmeeting | 20:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 22 20:44:21 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:44 |
| MeganR | bye! | 20:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-03-22-20.00.html | 20:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-03-22-20.00.txt | 20:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-03-22-20.00.log.html | 20:44 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| notmyname | hello, world | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 22 21:00:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| jungleboyj | Hello. | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| jrichli | hello | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
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| alecuyer | hello! | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
| rledisez | hello o/ | 21:00 |
| acoles | hi | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | o/ | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | welcome | 21:01 |
| notmyname | agenda is at... | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
| notmyname | lots of bullet points, so let's see how fast we can go | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #topic follow-up from last week | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "follow-up from last week (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| notmyname | a few things we talked about last week had some follow-up for this week | 21:02 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444604/ has landed, closing https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1657246 | 21:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1657246 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Proxy logs wrong request method when validating SLO segments" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Janie Richling (jrichli) | 21:02 |
| notmyname | thanks timburke jrichli mahatic and zaitcev for that | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | I'll get a backport for that proposed soon | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | also, rledisez (and alecuyer) said they'd get an etherpad started so we can discuss object server compat testing | 21:03 |
| notmyname | and that's done too | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-object-server-tests | 21:03 |
| notmyname | we asked for review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445160/ since it introduces a new api semantic (and it's a lot easier to get it right the first time) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | we got some reviews (from clayg and rledisez), but please keep an eye on it as thurloat works on it | 21:05 |
| notmyname | and lastly... | 21:05 |
| notmyname | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/composite_rings is for discussion about the best way to expose composite rings | 21:05 |
| notmyname | there's some discussion going on there, and it would be good for everyone to read over it | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | (and leave comments!) | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | that's all the follow-up stuff I had. did I forget anything? | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | ok, I'll take that as a "no" | 21:07 |
| notmyname | #topic FYI things | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FYI things (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:07 | |
| notmyname | a few things to be aware of (and participate in) | 21:07 |
| notmyname | timburke: you've noticed some nightly gate failures recently. can you share any more about that? any links? | 21:07 |
| notmyname | or ideas on finding the issues? | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | timburke: yeah, are there more stable failures? | 21:08 |
| timburke | no clue on the reasons. but there's been like 5 this month? | 21:08 |
| clayg | are just like flakey unittests that we already patched on master? | 21:08 |
| cschwede | stable failures? | 21:08 |
| kota_ | around tox py27 xfs? | 21:08 |
| timburke | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic-stable/periodic-swift-python27-newton/fc260fd/ | 21:09 |
| timburke | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic-stable/periodic-swift-python27-newton/51cf2e4/ | 21:09 |
| timburke | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic-stable/periodic-swift-python27-newton/aa54677/ | 21:09 |
| timburke | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic-stable/periodic-swift-python27-mitaka/50c0108/ | 21:09 |
| timburke | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic-stable/periodic-swift-python27-newton/687f8d9/ | 21:09 |
| notmyname | timburke: how did you see/find these? is there a graph or list or soemthing somewherE? | 21:09 |
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| timburke | for reference, we would previously see one failure roughly every two months | 21:09 |
| timburke | notmyname: go subscribe to http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-stable-maint then set up filters so everything not-swift is automatically marked as read? | 21:10 |
| kota_ | ah, it's in stable branch with periodic check | 21:10 |
| notmyname | timburke: ah | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | maybe it is an intermittant falure. I can start running py27 unit tests on newton in a loop, but assume your already doing that thing | 21:11 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: actually, I think that would be really helpful | 21:11 |
| notmyname | I'm not sure that timburke has done much more than read the test output | 21:12 |
| mattoliverau | kk, I'll start setting it up now :) | 21:12 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks :-) | 21:12 |
| notmyname | timburke: thanks for noticing and bringing it up | 21:12 |
| mattoliverau | +100 | 21:12 |
| notmyname | other FYI things... | 21:12 |
| timburke | as much as anything, i just figure it'd be good if people took a look at the failures and report back if they see anything familiar. "oh yeah, i remember tracking down that intermittent failure in patch X. maybe we should backport that" | 21:13 |
| notmyname | the TC has a newly proposed tag for "never-breaks-compat". https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446561/ | 21:13 |
| notmyname | clayg: thanks for commenting on it (and I agree with what you said) | 21:13 |
| notmyname | but the patch proposer assumed it would be something that would apply to swift, but that's a choice that we need to make | 21:14 |
| notmyname | so read over it and be aware of it. think about if that's something you think we should apply to swift or not | 21:14 |
| notmyname | also, the boston summit is coming up soon | 21:14 |
| notmyname | I've learned more how the process for sessions will work | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | this week (THIS WEEK) please add anything you want to talk about at the summit to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Swift-brainstorming | 21:15 |
| timburke | on the never-breaks-compat: i think they really ought to break that down between client API and operator config. as it is, i'd still rather like to drop post-as-copy | 21:15 |
| notmyname | early next week I'll take what's there and use the provided session submission tool to propose sessions | 21:16 |
| clayg | timburke: i had assumed it was limited to client api - you should put that in a review comment - makes sense to me | 21:16 |
| notmyname | timburke: +1 | 21:16 |
| notmyname | the summit sessions are supposed to be stuff that can't be discussed elsewhere because in other places there aren't the right people | 21:16 |
| notmyname | that means that the boston sessions should be more ops focussed (eg dev design sessions for the PTG) | 21:17 |
| notmyname | and finally, note that we're in the middle of time changes around the world. | 21:17 |
| notmyname | US has passed, EU is this weekend, AUS is next weekend. Japan doesn't do this sillyness. meeting time is 2100UTC (which doesn't change) | 21:17 |
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| clayg | notmyname: how many things do you have to select how long should a topic be (i.e. how much ground do we try to cover) | 21:18 |
| notmyname | but also note that affects our tx overlap | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | clayg: 40 minute sessions (with a very tiny possibility of having a double session) | 21:18 |
| notmyname | any questions on all those FYI things? | 21:18 |
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| clayg | there's not much getting added to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Swift-brainstorming | 21:20 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | I'm not sure how I feel about that, honestly | 21:20 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think there must be some trepidation about what's appropriate | 21:20 |
| notmyname | because on the one hand, the previous summit sessions that aren't dev design sessions are largely "ops feedback" | 21:20 |
| clayg | but i'm looking at the list of people attending ... i know what I want to talk about those people - let's just plan to talk about that! | 21:20 |
| notmyname | so this etherpad isn't actually too bad | 21:20 |
| notmyname | but I think you're right too -- trepidation and uncertainty about what is appropriate to propose | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | if we don't propose anything, we won't have much relevant swift stuff at the summit. if we propose a lot of stuff, we might not get it accepted, but we'll likely have some | 21:22 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: one question | 21:22 |
| notmyname | so if you're not sure if something is appropriate, then write it down. worst that can happen is that it doesn't get selected | 21:22 |
| notmyname | kota_: yes? | 21:22 |
| acoles | timburke: so I wonder , would the backwards compat thing mean we couldn't start to version DLO, just in case someone out there relied on the current behaviour? | 21:22 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: I'm still not getting all for the forum which say like "that should be long-term future discussion" | 21:22 |
| clayg | acoles: I think eventually the tags just signal intent + whatever you can manage to test for | 21:23 |
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| clayg | acoles: If tempest magically tested that behavior and we needed/wanted to change it I think we just make a case like we would have to do anyway | 21:23 |
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| timburke | acoles: i'm torn. i could see an argument for it falling into the security-fix category | 21:23 |
| kota_ | notmyname: I always want to land all my patch asap so it may be in Pike so some ideas still be in the list may be in Pike or soon, so it's a reason I did not write so much there | 21:24 |
| timburke | (but then i'm biased toward wanting it to land :-) | 21:24 |
| notmyname | kota_: I think the reason for saying that is because they imagine that the forum would be requirements gathering for the Q or R cycles instead of stuff that will be worked on right now | 21:24 |
| notmyname | kota_: :-) | 21:24 |
| clayg | tdasilva: cschwede: can you guys come to BOS to talk about ring management? | 21:24 |
| notmyname | kota_: yeah, I'm with you. land all the patches right now :-) | 21:24 |
| cschwede | clayg: not sure yet | 21:24 |
| acoles | timburke: right! well let's land it quickly :) | 21:24 |
| kota_ | yeah, and if we could use the forum like as the ptg or past hackathon, it seems to be easy to write something for everyone | 21:24 |
| clayg | tdasilva: cschwede: I feel like a forum ops summit might be a good place to do that!? | 21:24 |
| tdasilva | clayg: funny enough, it will probably be easier for cschwede to be there than me....trying to figure out funding atm... | 21:25 |
| notmyname | kota_: I don't think the highly separated (1) requirements (2) planning (3) develop (4) deploy schedule that's implied from some openstack projects applies very well to how we've been successful in swift | 21:25 |
| clayg | tdasilva: cschwede: esp. if we can get word out to people that might be doing openstack deployment kind of stuff - or etcd config management stuff - get some fresh ideas on what ring management might look like from someone that doesn't "know better" | 21:26 |
| tdasilva | clayg: but, yeah, i will try to make it at least one day | 21:26 |
| notmyname | oh man, gotta get me some etcd configs | 21:26 |
| tdasilva | clayg: yeah, i was interested in that whole etcd config mgmt stuff | 21:26 |
| kota_ | notmyname: k, thanks | 21:26 |
| acoles | notmyname: I had thought the current etherpad was for ops-feedback-type-sessions, not swift-devs-ptg-type session proposals? was I wrong? | 21:26 |
| cschwede | clayg: but it's a good idea to discuss this with ops, i'll put this on the etherpad | 21:26 |
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| acoles | tdasilva: or we'll come to you! | 21:27 |
| cschwede | acoles: y'all should come over here ;) | 21:27 |
| tdasilva | acoles: works for me! :) | 21:27 |
| notmyname | acoles: my impression is the same as you. more like ops/deployment stuff. but that's historically been intertwined with dev sessions within the swift community (IMO). so it's hard to draw a distinct line | 21:27 |
| clayg | acoles: nobody knows - i think if we have to cut we prefer sessions that can take feedback/requirements - but that's design/planning too | 21:27 |
| notmyname | IMo if there's something our community needs to talk about in order to make swift better, then write it down. | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | who is selecting, this the openstack powers to be? or us? | 21:28 |
| clayg | notmyname: +1 | 21:28 |
| acoles | notmyname: clayg: I just hadn't added topics in the usual fashion that would be dev focussed | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | ie topics. | 21:28 |
| notmyname | yeah, the Powers That Be. (I think that's the TC and User Committee) | 21:29 |
| mattoliverau | I worried to put something up that I need to be there, but then can't get approval or funding to turn up | 21:29 |
| clayg | notmyname: OHHHHH, they'll pick 'em from the etherpad - or notmyname has to submit something? | 21:29 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: if we've got something in swift that can only happen with one person, then that's another problem, TBH. (ie write it down anyway) | 21:29 |
| notmyname | clayg: no, they will pick from submitted sessions | 21:29 |
| clayg | sorry I think i zoned out | 21:30 |
| notmyname | we as a team need to write down the stuff we want to talk about, then someone submits those via the sessions submission tool | 21:30 |
| clayg | notmyname: do you submit sessions? | 21:30 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:30 |
| notmyname | it doesn't have to be me, but yeah, I was planning on doing it | 21:30 |
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| clayg | notmyname: could you name a session "EC feedback" and then if no one has feedback we just talk about the reconstructor rledisez's patches? | 21:30 |
| notmyname | sure | 21:31 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:31 |
| kota_ | clayg: :-) sounds nice | 21:31 |
| clayg | I like the "let's write down what we need to talk about in Boston" - then we'll see what happens with the TC process | 21:31 |
| notmyname | exactly | 21:31 |
| clayg | or foundation/user-group whatever | 21:31 |
| clayg | they're *trying* | 21:31 |
| clayg | if it sucks - well tell them and why | 21:32 |
| notmyname | and if, worst case, we can only end up talking about things in the hallway (or tdasilva's house), then at least we've got a list of stuff we can use to start the conversation | 21:32 |
| clayg | k i'm set | 21:32 |
| notmyname | ok :-) | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | kk sounds like a plan | 21:32 |
| notmyname | any more questions? I want to move on to the next topic | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | #topic generic diskfile implementation (ie OVH LOSF) | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | #info LOSF = Lots Of Small Files | 21:34 |
| clayg | i liked where the entrypoints patch was going near as I can tell | 21:34 |
| clayg | awesome work there | 21:34 |
| notmyname | alecuyer is working on optimizing swift for lots of small files | 21:34 |
| notmyname | and added them item to the agenda | 21:34 |
| notmyname | he's got an etherpad up... | 21:34 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-losf-base | 21:34 |
| notmyname | and would like to give a very brief overview of the direction | 21:34 |
| alecuyer | right. We are trying, with rledisez, to make it easier to add alternative diskfile implementations | 21:35 |
| alecuyer | so there is the patch clayg just mentionned | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436406/ | 21:35 |
| notmyname | that one? | 21:35 |
| rledisez | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447129/ | 21:36 |
| rledisez | that one | 21:36 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:36 |
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| alecuyer | and another point. When working on the prototype for LOSF, I had to deal with callers outside of diskfile that use full path as arguments (path to objects, partition, etc) | 21:37 |
| notmyname | alecuyer: so what's the current state, and where do you need feedback? how can the rest of us help? | 21:37 |
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| alecuyer | that may not make sense for non-file based backends | 21:37 |
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| alecuyer | So I had to emulate listdir, and parse paths to extract information | 21:37 |
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| alecuyer | It would be easier if the functions passed "location" arguments, such as policy, partition, ohash | 21:38 |
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| alecuyer | I have started to patch some functions in DiskFileManager and in callers to do that. | 21:38 |
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| alecuyer | The LOSF "manager" functions would have the same prototypes | 21:38 |
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| alecuyer | So I was wondering what if you think that would be a correct approach | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | alecuyer: from a high-level (ie you talking about it and me not having looked at the code), i like it. it sounds like the right approach | 21:40 |
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| clayg | alecuyer: I would slighly prefer the interface optionally support 'suffix' as a param than have all the callers have to ohash[-3:] | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-losf-base etherpad would be a great please to leave feedback (but since etherpads are hard for collaboration, please leave your nick next to what you type) | 21:41 |
| clayg | alecuyer: similarlly it might make sense to just cache some state on the instance and take less params - let implementations use what they need | 21:41 |
| alecuyer | clayg, ok. We have seen suffix will be an issue because it is "hardwired" at least in the replicator , I think | 21:41 |
| alecuyer | notmyname, if the approach sounds right I will post patches and link to them in the etherpad | 21:42 |
| notmyname | cschwede: acoles: based on your part power increase and ec work, I'd love to see your feedback | 21:42 |
| clayg | alecuyer: it's not a terrible place to split up the partition - were you going to rework get_hahes to an entirely different format? | 21:42 |
| tdasilva | alecuyer: i'm not sure, but i'm wondering if we should look at a tier above for abstraction, since it is called *diskfile*. My fear is that we might try to change it to fit something it wasn't made for | 21:42 |
| cschwede | notmyname: and tdasilva as well, he's a diskfile expert! | 21:43 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: who would come along and implement a "Diskfile" for something that's not a local disk?!?!? | 21:43 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 21:43 |
| tdasilva | rofl | 21:43 |
| tdasilva | touché | 21:43 |
| clayg | alecuyer: for context tdasilva maintains the swift-on-file diskfile; i mainained a out-of-tree diskfile implementation in another life - but I think it *mostly* had to reimplement stuff needed for replication | 21:43 |
| tdasilva | but...it is still files! | 21:43 |
| alecuyer | clayg, we have not done so at the moment. We're not going for a full rewrite, initially at least ! | 21:44 |
| alecuyer | thanks for the context :) | 21:44 |
| clayg | alecuyer: that sounds good to me - so anyway - I think "suffix" as a concept may contine to exist - even if it's not strictly needed by your implementation | 21:44 |
| rledisez | clayg: current idea is « just » to plug a new disk file without disrupting everything around (not patching replication that’s your job clayg ;)) | 21:44 |
| clayg | I'm suggesting you continue to send it down - but ignore it - rather than try to get rid of it ... maybe.... maybe not | 21:45 |
| clayg | rledisez: understood | 21:45 |
| alecuyer | in the prototype, the patches to replication were minimal to get it working (for replication), I believe < 50 lines | 21:45 |
| notmyname | yeah, that's good to keep in mind. the problem being solved here is to optimize a real problem, not to make the ultimate abstraction layer for anything :-) | 21:45 |
| acoles | alecuyer: my first reaction is that if there are improvements to the interface that will help then we should consider them (like not passing full paths). if possible, small tactical patches would be good | 21:45 |
| alecuyer | acoles, that is what we had in mind, yes, small patches to build on | 21:46 |
| clayg | alecuyer: the etherpad makes reference specifically to _get_hashes - and I think the interfaces used outside of the object server are the most coupled with the existing implementation | 21:46 |
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| clayg | not to the interfaces used by the object server ... it sounds very fine/correct | 21:46 |
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| clayg | i think i lost part of the sentence | 21:47 |
| rledisez | clayg: _get_hashes is an example. an actually, we need very few functions patched as the coupling between callers and diskfilemanager is about 10 functions | 21:47 |
| clayg | alecuyer: i was just trying to say that the less changes you have to make to the interface in the object server - the stronger you should feel you're doing it right | 21:48 |
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| rledisez | and most of them are ok for what we need | 21:48 |
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| alecuyer | clayg, right, thank you for clarifying :) | 21:48 |
| clayg | rledisez: ok, yeah and the REPLICATE verb is the outlier - that's part of the "replication" interface IMHO | 21:48 |
| clayg | other stuff should be "internal" - but jesus - it's not like we ever tried to documnt what the f'ing interface is | 21:48 |
| clayg | there's annoying coupling everywhere - the *type* of the exception raised on certain conditions is part of the "interface" for christ sakes | 21:49 |
| rledisez | ^ good point, we should note that alecuyer | 21:49 |
| clayg | ok, but it sounds great - can't wait to see a patch! | 21:49 |
| alecuyer | I think there is a comment about it -the exception | 21:50 |
| notmyname | +1 | 21:50 |
| notmyname | if we could keep discussing it in the etherpad and in IRC, that would be great | 21:50 |
| alecuyer | ok ! thank you all for the feedback and please do send more in the etherpad | 21:50 |
| notmyname | alecuyer: thank you for working on this. i'm really excited about it | 21:50 |
| clayg | rledisez: alecuyer: try not to get *too* caught up on a crusade to define the perfect diskfile interface - KISS | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:51 |
| alecuyer | yes | 21:51 |
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| acoles | alecuyer: don't assume that because code exists on master that it is universally considered to be perfect :) there has been a lot of history in diskfile, so please challenge anything you find that seems wrong | 21:51 |
| notmyname | ok, a couple of things here | 21:51 |
| notmyname | acoles: +100 | 21:51 |
| rledisez | about patches, our goal is to land that as fast as we can to build the new diskfile on clean bases. so these modifications and the pkg_resources will be submitted very soon | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | first, i had an idea that I was curious about. "call your patches" | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | if you're about to review or look at a patch in gerrit, say somehting in IRC. like, "I'm looking at patch 345345" | 21:52 |
| notmyname | then, within an hour or two, leave a comment in gerrit on the patch | 21:52 |
| notmyname | call your patch, leave a comment | 21:52 |
| notmyname | I think this will do a couple of things | 21:52 |
| clayg | rledisez: we'll try to keep up! Obviously any help you guy apply to the review backlog makes a huge difference to our throughput - if you think something is not important and you see reviews going on there you need to find some way to communicate that | 21:53 |
| notmyname | first, it will help us all know who's looking at what | 21:53 |
| clayg | triage takes a village - everyone can get caught up chasing dragons and lose sight of the prize | 21:53 |
| notmyname | and second, I hope it will help reduce the perceived "cost" of leaving a comment | 21:53 |
| clayg | notmyname: but what if I don't want to admit how long it takes me to review things sometimes :'( | 21:54 |
| notmyname | ie leaving a comment is just a thing you do and small comments are ok | 21:54 |
| clayg | what if I say in channel I'm going to review something and then don't because I'm a dirty lazy liar! | 21:54 |
| notmyname | clayg: it's ok. I've learned that in a group, if you feel a certain way, probably three other people do too :-) | 21:54 |
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| clayg | notmyname: I don't think I follow how this reduces the cost of leaving a comment? | 21:55 |
| * jungleboyj is curious about that as well. | 21:55 | |
| clayg | notmyname: I've historically been a big advocate of "try to comment with clear instructions to make the patch meragable" - that can a non-trivial amount of work | 21:56 |
| notmyname | because if leaving a comment, even a "I looked at it and didn't find anything yet, +0", if that becomes common, then it's easier for everyone to leave a comment | 21:56 |
| clayg | notmyname: I tend to be a hypocrite about it too | 21:56 |
| notmyname | because if you don't ever comment until the comment is perfect, it's like not submitting code until it's perfect -- it's impossible and leads to not much getting done | 21:56 |
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| clayg | notmyname: but it "seems" like a reasonable goal? And from someone on the other side - clear instructions help *a lot* | 21:56 |
| notmyname | definitely | 21:57 |
| jungleboyj | Hmmm, I leave a lot of imperfect comments. :-) | 21:57 |
| clayg | notmyname: ok, yeah I kinda like that.... we should update the review guidelines! | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | we can't all be in the same room all the time, so "hey I'm looking at Foo" is something that can be helpful to coordinate | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | and it might even lead to a "oh! I was looking there too, and I found ..." | 21:58 |
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| clayg | timburke: does this sound right to you? Maybe the difference is the +0 and the -1 | 21:58 |
| acoles | FWIW I sometimes leave a 'part-complete' review and say its only partial. usually it means I have not yet worked through 100's of lines of test changes, but have some comment on the real code. | 21:58 |
| jungleboyj | notmyname: Doesn't seem like a bad idea. I know I have collided with people on many occasions . | 21:58 |
| clayg | -1 "fix this and we're mergable" +0 "you can either pretend I didn't leave this here or read it - my review is WIP" | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | WIP review :-) | 21:59 |
| acoles | we need real and imaginary numbers for votes :) | 21:59 |
| notmyname | because even if you don't get to come back to your review, it's a starting point for the next reviewer! | 21:59 |
| timburke | clayg: i can get behind it. i certain will leave +0s when i've done a partial review, not found anything blatantly wrong, but definitely had some questions raised | 21:59 |
| notmyname | acoles: multi-demensional reviews? | 21:59 |
| notmyname | ok, we're at time | 22:00 |
| clayg | notmyname: the review history is *super* important to me when I come to patch that's been at it awhile | 22:00 |
| acoles | notmyname: +100i | 22:00 |
| notmyname | I saw that PavelK had a patch question in -swift about a patch. I wanted to get to it here, but we should look at it in -swift | 22:00 |
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| clayg | notmyname: sometimes I wish we could a review "summary" or something :P | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thank you for your work on swift | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 22 22:00:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-03-22-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-03-22-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-03-22-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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