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| lennyb | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 15 15:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lennyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| lennyb | Hello | 15:00 |
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| mmedvede | o/ | 15:05 |
| mmedvede | around, but have no topics | 15:05 |
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| asselin_ | o/ | 15:20 |
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| lennyb | hey guys, neither have I. Good to see you. have a good rest of the day. I will close the meeting | 15:35 |
| asselin_ | +1 | 15:35 |
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| lennyb | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 15 15:36:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-05-15-15.00.html | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-05-15-15.00.txt | 15:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-05-15-15.00.log.html | 15:36 |
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| ijw | #startmeeting networking-vpp | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 15 16:02:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ijw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_vpp' | 16:02 |
| ijw | Anyone about? | 16:03 |
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| ijw | #endmeeting | 16:14 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 15 16:14:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_vpp/2017/networking_vpp.2017-05-15-16.02.html | 16:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_vpp/2017/networking_vpp.2017-05-15-16.02.txt | 16:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_vpp/2017/networking_vpp.2017-05-15-16.02.log.html | 16:14 |
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| kevinbenton | hello! | 21:01 |
| kevinbenton | #startmeeting networking | 21:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 15 21:01:56 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
| haleyb | hi | 21:02 |
| dimak_ | Hey | 21:02 |
| hichihara | hi | 21:02 |
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| oanson_ | Hi | 21:02 |
| kevinbenton | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:02 | |
| kevinbenton | the summit was last week | 21:03 |
| kevinbenton | we got some pretty good feedback in the forum sessions | 21:03 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 21:03 |
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| kevinbenton | if you attended a forum session, can you please send an email to the list with a link to the etherpad and a short summary with the action items | 21:04 |
| Sukhdev | I need to send the summary of the session that I moderated | 21:04 |
| kevinbenton | Sukhdev: thanks | 21:04 |
| Sukhdev | Will | 21:04 |
| kevinbenton | armax: do you have a link to yours handy? | 21:04 |
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| kevinbenton | here is an example of one from armax | 21:05 |
| kevinbenton | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/116610.html | 21:05 |
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| mlavalle | kevinbenton: armax sent a couple of messages to the ML over the weekend | 21:05 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 21:05 |
| kevinbenton | does anyone else have any announcements to make? | 21:06 |
| Sukhdev | I have one | 21:06 |
| kevinbenton | Sukhdev: go ahead | 21:06 |
| Sukhdev | I announced the kick off networki-OpenContrail during the summit | 21:07 |
| Sukhdev | Want to make sure everyone is aware of it here as well | 21:07 |
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| mlavalle | Sukhdev: maybe a message to the ML would be helpful, to reach more people | 21:07 |
| Sukhdev | mlavalle: good suggestion... Will do | 21:08 |
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| kevinbenton | ok, thanks | 21:08 |
| kevinbenton | i'll turn it over to boden now to talk about neutron lib since he's time constrained | 21:09 |
| kevinbenton | #topic neutron-lib | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "neutron-lib (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:09 | |
| boden | hi thanks | 21:09 |
| boden | a number of neutron-lib 1.6.0 consumption changes in-progress and more in the pipeline | 21:09 |
| boden | for those out already please see the ML notes and: | 21:09 |
| boden | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+message:%22NeutronLibImpact%22 | 21:09 |
| boden | if there are no questions/comments on those, I wanted to bring up one from a few weeks ago | 21:10 |
| kevinbenton | boden: the mech lib | 21:10 |
| kevinbenton | boden: i would like to leave behind shims for that one if we can | 21:11 |
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| kevinbenton | boden: since we have been taking an effort to make the mech driver API quite stable | 21:11 |
| boden | kevinbenton: well a lot of people already switched | 21:12 |
| boden | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/message:%22use+MechanismDriver+from+neutron-lib%22 | 21:12 |
| boden | but sure | 21:12 |
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| boden | can we take that discussion to the patch? | 21:12 |
| boden | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462731/ | 21:12 |
| kevinbenton | yep | 21:12 |
| kevinbenton | i just want to make sure | 21:12 |
| kevinbenton | we aren't causing too much churn just to avoid a few lines of imports in neutron that pass through | 21:13 |
| kevinbenton | particularily with the development resource shortage in general around neutron projects | 21:13 |
| boden | kevinbenton: have peopel been yelling at you about this one? | 21:13 |
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| kevinbenton | boden: not that one in particular, just lots of the little import changes build up for people that can't keep up with trunk development | 21:13 |
| boden | ack | 21:14 |
| boden | that plays into my next topic/question | 21:14 |
| boden | about 3 weeks ago we started the transistion to neutron-lib callbacks and a note was sent to the ML (http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115924.html) | 21:14 |
| boden | there are still a number of consumers who have not swtiched: http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=from%20neutron.callbacks | 21:14 |
| boden | how long do we wait before removing callbacks from neutron? | 21:14 |
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| kevinbenton | boden: let's just wait until last milestone | 21:15 |
| kevinbenton | so another couple of months | 21:15 |
| kevinbenton | it's not blocking anything is it? | 21:16 |
| mlavalle | why not, midway through those 2 months, send a reminder to the ML stating what the hard deadline is? | 21:16 |
| boden | kevinbenton: not aware of it blocking anything… IIUC the new “payload” api can be used now; so I could start on that work as-is | 21:17 |
| kevinbenton | boden: right, it shouldn't block any development in neutron-lib | 21:18 |
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| boden | anyway: sounds like we want to wait a bit… I can bring the topic up again in a later meeting | 21:18 |
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| kevinbenton | boden: +1 | 21:19 |
| boden | I don’t have anything else | 21:19 |
| kevinbenton | ack | 21:19 |
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| kevinbenton | #topic bugs | 21:19 |
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| kevinbenton | who was bug deputy last week? | 21:19 |
| mlavalle | I think janzian was the week before | 21:20 |
| janzian | I was for the week leading up to the summit, but not sure who came after me | 21:20 |
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| kevinbenton | ah, we didn't have a meeting to assign one :) | 21:20 |
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| kevinbenton | i can go through the backlog and be bug deputy for this week | 21:20 |
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| kevinbenton | #topic liaisons | 21:22 |
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| kevinbenton | we need a new oslo liaison | 21:23 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 21:23 |
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| kevinbenton | it's pretty simple, just keep an eye on the oslo mailing list for changes that might impact neutron | 21:24 |
| kevinbenton | we also need a docs person | 21:25 |
| janzian | kevinbenton: I can handle oslo liaison | 21:25 |
| kevinbenton | janzian: thanks | 21:26 |
| kevinbenton | janzian: can you update that wiki to add your name and IRC handle? | 21:26 |
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| janzian | kevinbenton: Sure thing, will do | 21:26 |
| kevinbenton | To make docs a little more manageable I think there is some work to bring the docs into the neutron tree so we can have a hard requirement to at least get something in place for docs before merging patches | 21:27 |
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| kevinbenton | but I need to sync up with the docs folks to see the status of that | 21:27 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: if you have to much work, I can handle that | 21:27 |
| Sukhdev_ | kevinbenton : one of the feedback from the session I moderated was that we need to document a bit better | 21:28 |
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| mlavalle | kevinbenton: I just don't to hog those liasions positions | 21:28 |
| mlavalle | I think we need to give opportunity to new people | 21:28 |
| mlavalle | but, in the meantime, if things are urgent, I can help | 21:28 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: it would be good if you can take the role for now | 21:29 |
| mlavalle | ack | 21:29 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: but i think we should force our devs to write some basic docs for things | 21:29 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 21:29 |
| haleyb | i can help as well | 21:29 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: thanks | 21:30 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: great | 21:30 |
| kevinbenton | #topic Open Discussion | 21:30 |
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| kevinbenton | does anyone have anything else to bring up? | 21:30 |
| kevinbenton | I'm still going through a bunch of action items from the summit so expect to see emails from me throughout the week as well with summaries of sessions and whatnot | 21:31 |
| mlavalle | I think dimak_ has a topic | 21:31 |
| kevinbenton | dimak_: go ahead | 21:31 |
| dimak_ | Yeah, following up the DVR forum session | 21:31 |
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| dimak_ | I think we can make some progress using dragonflows SNAT solution | 21:32 |
| kevinbenton | dimak_: well the issue wasn't that we didn't have potential solutions | 21:33 |
| kevinbenton | we just don't have the development bandwidth to make those changes in Neutron | 21:33 |
| kevinbenton | at least it doesn't look like it for Pike | 21:33 |
| kevinbenton | dimak_: does that make sense? | 21:34 |
| dimak_ | kevinbenton, yeah | 21:35 |
| dimak_ | It was mentioned making df's snat part of l3 flavor | 21:36 |
| dimak_ | I'm not sure we can do that easily with current architecture | 21:36 |
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| kevinbenton | dimak_: if you can identify gaps in l3 flavors to enable that we can definitely make changes | 21:37 |
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| oanson_ | We'll have to look into it. Currently the snat solution is heavily integrated into DF architecture | 21:38 |
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| kevinbenton | well the l3 flavors would just be to allow DF to run side-by-side as an alternative to DVR | 21:39 |
| oanson_ | That means another service in the compute node (The DF controller) | 21:39 |
| dimak_ | It will have to run a stripped down df agent that does just that | 21:40 |
| kevinbenton | oanson_: right | 21:40 |
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| dimak_ | And it will require deployment of a database for DF (at least at the moment) | 21:40 |
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| kevinbenton | dimak_: not quite, the l3 flavors approach would be fully adopting DF for routers | 21:41 |
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| kevinbenton | with that flavor | 21:42 |
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| oanson_ | How is policy installed in this case? How is the information passed to the routers? | 21:42 |
| oanson_ | This is what the DB is for - it stores the objects and policies used to build the network features | 21:43 |
| kevinbenton | yes | 21:45 |
| kevinbenton | l3 flavors is just a way to have multiple l3 plugins essentially | 21:45 |
| kevinbenton | with some routers assigned to 1 plugin | 21:45 |
| kevinbenton | and others assigned to a different one | 21:45 |
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| kevinbenton | it's not a way to just adopt some features from one plugin and some from another | 21:45 |
| kevinbenton | so if dragonflow has an l3 flavor service provider | 21:46 |
| kevinbenton | the routers associated with that will just be using dragonflow as it is today | 21:46 |
| oanson_ | Dragonflow has an L3 plugin and implementation. | 21:46 |
| oanson_ | So in this scenario, Dragonflow will replace e.g. DVR? | 21:46 |
| mlavalle | would live side by side with it | 21:46 |
| kevinbenton | users would pick a flavor | 21:47 |
| kevinbenton | when creating a router | 21:47 |
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| kevinbenton | e.g. "fully distributed" would go to dragonflow | 21:47 |
| kevinbenton | while "centralized SNAT" would go to DVR | 21:47 |
| kevinbenton | l3 flavors is very similar to ML2 | 21:47 |
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| oanson_ | ok, I think I get it. | 21:48 |
| oanson_ | So if we want to do that, what do we have to do? | 21:48 |
| kevinbenton | oanson_: implement a "dragonflow" service provider | 21:49 |
| mlavalle | we need an L3 flavor service provider | 21:49 |
| mlavalle | in dragonflow | 21:49 |
| kevinbenton | the difficult part will be if you implemented special extensions | 21:49 |
| kevinbenton | l3 flavors doesn't currently have a way for different providers to introduce extensions | 21:50 |
| Sukhdev_ | I think we need some kind of network policy extension in L3 to accomodate it | 21:50 |
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| kevinbenton | Sukhdev_: network policy extension? | 21:51 |
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| Sukhdev_ | right - which allows different plugins to implement different routing techonologies in the backend | 21:52 |
| Sukhdev_ | existing plugins will ignore it DF can implement it | 21:52 |
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| kevinbenton | Sukhdev_: an API that only works with some backends and has no effect on others is bad for users | 21:53 |
| Sukhdev_ | kevinbenton : right - that will be the shortcoming of this approach - | 21:53 |
| Sukhdev_ | but, other plugins may want it down the road - | 21:54 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton, oanson_, dimak_: if we want to explore this further, I can help from the Neutron side. I am not sure we can do it in Pike, but we can get it rolling | 21:54 |
| kevinbenton | oanson_: if you introduce extensions in your l3 plugin, it would be good if you can let me know what they do | 21:55 |
| kevinbenton | oanson_: and then we can make adjustments to l3 flavors for any gaps as necessary | 21:55 |
| oanson_ | Currently all our extensions are based on Neutron APIs. | 21:55 |
| Sukhdev_ | oanson_ : I would be interested to know this as well | 21:55 |
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| kevinbenton | oanson_: so you don't add any additional ones? | 21:56 |
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| oanson_ | No. We tried to stick the Neutron API. | 21:56 |
| kevinbenton | oanson_: perfect, you should be able to write a service driver then | 21:57 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 21:57 |
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| dimak_ | kevinbenton, we'll see how easy it can be done with dragonflow as it is | 21:57 |
| kevinbenton | ok, well we are out of time | 21:57 |
| dimak_ | not sure we can manage it in pike either | 21:57 |
| kevinbenton | oanson_, dimak_: if you hit any issues/questions with l3 flavors, shoot an email to openstack-dev | 21:58 |
| dimak_ | will do | 21:58 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 21:58 |
| kevinbenton | thanks everyone | 21:58 |
| oanson_ | Thanks | 21:58 |
| kevinbenton | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 15 21:59:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-05-15-21.01.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-05-15-21.01.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-05-15-21.01.log.html | 21:59 |
| dimak_ | bye | 21:59 |
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