Thursday, 2017-05-18

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ekcstime for congress meeting. thinrichs masahito ramineni_ aimeeu00:00
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ramineni_ekcs: hi00:01
ekcsHi all! welcome back to another meeting.00:01
ekcshi ramineni_ !00:01
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ekcsas usual, collaborative set of topics are here;
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ekcshi masahito !00:03
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ekcsok let's dive in then.00:05
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ekcs#topic gate failures00:05
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ekcsramineni_ has resolved/worked around the failures from last week. Big thanks!00:06
ekcsseems like we may have a new failure though.00:06
ramineni_Nova client removed the floating ips list method from their code we are seeing error00:07
ramineni_It's deprecated since ocata I guess .. They removed completely now00:07
ekcsGot it! I had started looking at it today but didn't get very far.00:08
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ekcsramineni_, do you know if there is an easy fix?00:08
ramineni_I raised a patch00:09
ekcsah I see this one: #link
patchbotpatch 465020 - congress - Remove floating_IPs from nova datasource driver00:09
ramineni_I removed it from our code for now .. Do you see a better way00:09
ramineni_ekcs: yes00:10
ekcsHmmm. Do you have any reference to the deprecation and how they suggest people get that information?00:11
ramineni_I added link to release notes00:11
ramineni_In commit message00:11
masahitowarning messages?00:12
ekcsgreat. also this reference: #link
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ramineni_masahito: do you mean to add warning message it's deprecated in update datasource s method00:14
masahitoramineni_: yes.00:14
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masahitousually, user can't read log messages, but admin could check and notify it to user.00:15
ramineni_Ya , I can add that ..00:15
masahitoI don't have nice ideas to notify the table is deprecated of user...00:16
ramineni_But it's completely removed now rather than deprecated00:16
ekcsNot sure what the best approach is. 1) just remove it. 2) remove the data but keep a dummy column so that policies with positional args that do not use the column anyway are not broken.00:16
masahitoIIRC, congress can keep other tables that refer to the floating_ip table.00:17
ekcs3) keep the call in place, so it works with older nova/client and on newer nova log error message and continue.00:17
ekcsmasahito, I don't totally understand what you mean.00:18
masahitofor instance,00:19
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masahitoadmin has a rule like x(y):- nova:floating_ip(z)00:19
masahitothen upgrade it without updating the rule.00:19
masahitooops, x(y) :- nova:floating_ip(y)00:20
ramineni_Upgrade it to neutron floating ips?00:20
masahitothe table 'x' has no row because of no row in nova:floating_ip(z)00:21
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masahitoramineni_: yes00:21
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masahitoof course, the rule is needed to upgrade before upgrading congress.00:22
ekcsI see. so masahito you're saying we should keep the table just leave it empty.00:23
masahitoif congress doesn't take care the situation, it's ok to completely remove the table.00:23
ekcsoh. so you're saying we should change the nova_driver to get the floating IPs from neutron.00:24
masahitoekcs: leave it empty or write a message to notify the user.00:24
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ramineni_masahito: ok , got it00:25
ekcshaha ok I'm still not sure what the proposal is.00:25
ekcs1. remove table. 2. leave empty table. 3. populate table with data from neutron.00:26
masahitoekcs: i don't think it's good to get info from neutron_driver....00:26
ekcsis it one of those?00:26
ekcsI don't either. Just trying to understand which one you're saying we should do.00:26
ramineni_We should add a message this table is deprecated .. neutron table should be used further for floating ip data?00:27
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ramineni_And leave the table empty00:28
ekcsI prefer removing the table completely. It's better to break things and force admin to fix immediately, rather than potentially execute very unintended effects.00:29
ekcssay execute[action(x)] :- server(x, y), not nova:floating_ips(y)00:30
ekcsnow all of a sudden many things are executed.00:30
ekcswhen someone upgrades congress.00:30
ekcswhat do you guys think?00:31
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ramineni_ekcs: sounds good to me .. it will be clean00:31
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masahitoI don't have any objection to remove the table.00:32
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ekcscool so basically what ramineni_ already did in the patch. great!00:32
ekcsok let's move on then. that took a while haha.00:33
ekcs#topic policy library00:33
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ekcsgood discussion last time about policy library. and whether to use templates, etc.00:33
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ekcsany further thoughts on it to share here?00:33
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ramineni_ekcs: I'm good with Tim's suggestion to proceed without template s for now.00:34
ramineni_Later we can see if we can explore that templating mechanism00:35
ekcsramineni_, got it!00:35
ekcsmasahito, do you have anything to add about the policy library spec?00:36
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masahitosorry, I've not check well yet....00:36
masahitoI try to check it today, so if no comment from my side. please go ahead00:37
ekcsno problem. ok thanks!00:37
ekcsok next topic then.00:38
ekcs#topic PTG00:38
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ekcsA few weeks ago we mentioned we need to start deciding whether to do meetings at the next PTG.00:38
ekcsexpected: September 11-15; Location: Denver, CO00:39
ekcsWe need to have a decision by this Sunday at the latest.00:39
ekcsSo basically I just need to know from folks: 1) whether you think we should do sessions at the PTG, and 2) if we do, whether you expect to be able to make it.00:40
ekcsPlease feel free to discuss it here and/or email me later (I sent an email to ML)00:40
masahitoif we have, I'm ok to go there00:42
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ramineni_ekcs: ok, I think I should be able to attend00:43
ramineni_If we are planning to have00:43
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masahitobut if most of us can't go, I don't think it's need to have meeting.00:43
masahitos/meeting/ meetings at PTG/00:44
ekcsok so masahito I'm understanding that as: if most people can go, it'd be good to do it, otherwise, better to not do it. is that accurate?00:44
masahitoekcs: yes00:45
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ekcsok perfect. ramineni_ any more thoughts on whether you think we should have it or not? or email me later?00:46
ramineni_Agree with masahito00:46
ekcsok great. thanks!00:47
ekcslet's move on then.00:47
ekcs#topic patches00:47
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ekcsany other patches that'd be helpful to talk about here?00:47
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ramineni_When is pike 200:47
ramineni_ekcs: have a question on congress-dashboard release00:48
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ekcsweek of june 5.00:49
ekcswow that's right around the corner.00:49
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ekcsramineni_, what's the question?00:49
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ramineni_Ok .. how new projects are released .. should we do it for pike200:50
ramineni_For congress- dashboard00:50
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ekcshmm let me find out from the release team.00:50
ekcs#action ekcs find out whether to release congress-dashboard pike-200:51
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ekcson patches, here's a piece needed for policy library: #link
patchbotpatch 460348 - congress - support transactional insert of multiple rules00:52
ekcspls review when you have a chance ;)00:52
ekcsanything else to bring up on patches?00:52
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ekcsok let's move on then!00:54
ekcs#topic open discussion00:54
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ekcsany last things?00:54
ramineni_None from my side00:55
ekcsmasahito, how was the summit for you? anything interesting?00:55
masahitoI was busy with another project's stuffs....00:56
masahitoat the summit00:56
ekcsof course. I didn't mean necessarily congress specific =)00:56
ekcsI wasn't able to make it to the rabbitMQ talk, but hope it went well.00:57
ekcsI mostly went to different forum sessions.00:57
ekcsIt seems tempest plugin will likely be a Queens goal.
patchbotpatch 369749 - governance - Add Queens goal split out tempest plugins00:57
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ekcsBased on how the discussion went at the forum.00:58
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ekcswe also discussed deprecating postgreSQL, which would make many things easier for devs. But some ops really depend on postgres, so I think official deprecation is off the table at the moment.00:59
ekcsok well time's up.01:00
ekcsbye and have a great week/weekend!01:00
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ianychoiHello. Anyone for I18n meeting?07:01
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ianychoijpich, hi :)07:49
ianychoiSeems to be busy - fine. Let's meet next IRC meeting07:50
jpichianychoi: Hey :) Sorry I missed the meeting07:50
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ianychoiFine. How are you going?07:52
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gmann#startmeeting qa09:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May 18 09:00:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
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gmannwho all here today?09:01
gmannlet's start09:01
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gmann^^ today agenda09:02
gmann#topic Previous Meeting Action review09:02
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gmannno open action as of now #link
gmann#topic The Forum, Boston09:03
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gmannas you all know, we had summit last week.09:03
gmann1 onbaording and forum sessions09:03
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gmannOnboarding: May 8(Mon), 16:40- #link
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gmannForum: May 11(Thurs), 9:00- #link
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gmannwe tried to capture all discussion on etherpad , who did not make in summit09:04
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gmannandreaf:  how you want to track discussion on forum etc ?09:05
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gmanni tried to add tags on each query/items09:05
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andreafgmann: thanks I saw that - I plan to follow-up on the ML with a summary from the etherpad09:05
andreafgmann: there are few if no actionable items though09:05
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andreafgmann: apart from a kind reminder of announcing big changes in devstack / tempest beforehand in the ML09:06
gmannandreaf: yea few of them are long term things like coordinating with other community etc09:06
gmannandreaf: +1, yea that was one of the pain point09:07
andreafgmann: exactly that's something good to keep in mind / in our vision in general09:07
andreafgmann: so if any of us already work in adjacent communities and you see there an issue that could be solved with an openstack tool09:08
andreafgo ahead and share it to the other community09:08
gmannyea, that will be nice collaboration and we can get more feedback about doing it in better way if any09:09
gmannandreaf: thanks for plan to summarize on ML09:10
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chandankumarandreaf: gmann is it something related tempest plugin pike goal or other topic?09:10
gmannchandankumar: goal is being agreed on other TC sessions.09:10
gmannand had lot of voting also but not sure why it was updated :)09:11
andreafgmann: heh yeah - let's wait to see the votes though :)09:11
andreafgmann: because of a misunderstanding...09:11
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andreafgmann: it was updated because of  a misunderstanding09:11
andreafit was proposed to do an update in a follow up patch09:11
gmannlink could have been in follow up patch09:11
andreafinstead a new patchset was proposed09:11
gmannmtreinish has to get all vote again :)09:12
patchbotpatch 369749 - governance - Add Queens goal split out tempest plugins09:12
andreafchandankumar: one of the hot topics at the summit as well as in the TC vision is adjacent communities09:12
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andreafchandankumar: such as k8s for instance09:13
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chandankumarandreaf: yes, do we talked there how tempest would fit there as a testing framework09:13
prateekandreaf, and how do we plan to consume tempest in them ?09:14
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andreafchandankumar: as an openstack community we want to work well with them share best practices, tools, do cross testing where it makes sense etc09:14
prateeksounds good09:14
andreafprateek, chandankumar: it depends very much on the community09:14
gmannyea, and can get their best practices too09:15
andreafwe are not going to go and tell people "use this tool for testing"09:15
andreafbut we can share success stories / best practices09:15
andreafand if someone has a problem that can be solved with tempest we should suggest it09:15
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andreafor in future we could run integration tests in openstack gates which pull other components and drive them via Tempest for instance09:16
gmannopencontrail seems using tempest plugin it think09:16
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chandankumargmann: andreaf
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andreafthe repo is rather empty :P09:18
gmannnot sure this but few guys told they use it09:18
prateekmaybe they might not have open sourced it09:18
gmanneven in upstream training, ll check with them if i can reach09:18
gmannanything else on summit queries/discussion ?09:19
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chandankumarnope from myside!09:19
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gmann#topic Gate Stability - status update09:19
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andreafit looks pretty good :)09:20
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gmanni cannot see high peak recently09:20
andreaf#link The patch to run migration tests now merged09:21
patchbotpatch 465487 - openstack-infra/project-config - Run migration tests along scenario ones (MERGED)09:21
andreafnova migration tests that is09:21
andreafso we now have a non-voting multi-node job which runs all scenario and nova migration tests with concurrency 209:21
gmannandreaf: but that need multinode09:21
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gmannohk with scenario tests09:22
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andreafif that is stable enough I will try to make it voting :)09:22
andreafit also runs with no identity v209:22
andreafand test accounts09:22
gmannyou mean v3 + test account?09:22
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andreafyes identity v2 disabled09:23
andreafv3 is not the default anyways09:23
gmannandreaf: nova have separate job to run migration tests and i think not running new scenario job09:23
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gmannin case nova want to run scenario tests too?09:24
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andreafgmann: maybe - mostly I wanted to have a job on Tempest side where we can see those kind of tests running09:24
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gmannyea, may be nova can add that as separate job, should not be harder09:25
andreafgmann: because otherwise I fear we may break them - especially since they are used in nova gates09:25
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gmannyea, everytime we have to tests those on nova side or experimental09:26
gmannlet's see how stable they are and good to make them voting09:26
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andreafrelated to the gate, I also have another patch up to enable ssh by default in devstack (i.e. for master only)09:26
andreaf#link turning ssh on in all jobs09:26
patchbotpatch 458678 - openstack-dev/devstack - Enable ssh validation by default09:26
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gmannandreaf: for all job. hummm09:27
andreafI think it would be good to have ssh validation on by default09:27
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gmannthen we do not need separate ssh job09:27
andreafgmann: yes, indeed!09:28
gmannthat is kind of stable right09:28
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andreafgmann: yes, however it only runs against tempest09:28
andreafand I fear that changes on nova / neutron side might introduce regressions09:28
andreafthere are still one or two scenario tests in the integrated gate that do ssh validation09:29
gmannandreaf: any tempest test patch with Depends-ON ?09:29
andreafso we are not fully exposed - but I think more tests with ssh checks would be good in the integrated gate09:29
andreafgmann: heh good point I will make one09:29
gmannandreaf: thanks09:29
gmannandreaf: will be good to see the scenario job behavior09:31
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gmannlet's move next09:32
gmann#topic Specs Reviews09:32
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gmannsaw new spec #link
patchbotpatch 461140 - qa-specs - RBAC testing multiple policies09:33
andreaf#link  new spec09:34
patchbotpatch 461140 - qa-specs - RBAC testing multiple policies09:34
gmanni need to check this. cannot find patrole team09:34
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gmannandreaf: yea09:34
chandankumargmann: this spec is for patrole na?09:34
patchbotpatch 461140 - qa-specs - RBAC testing multiple policies09:34
gmannchandankumar: yes09:34
blancosIs there a question regarding the spec?09:35
chandankumarnot from myside.09:35
gmannblancos: hi09:35
andreafblancos: I haven't read it yet, but I will :)09:35
gmannblancos: we have not reviewed yet, any thing you want to bring before review09:35
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blancosgmann No I don't think so09:35
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blancosgmann Besides that spec :)09:36
* gmann blancos seems changed irc name was searching with sblancos :)09:36
andreafblancos: but a NIT - I think we should have a patrole folder in there09:36
gmannblancos: ok09:36
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gmannandreaf: good catch09:36
blancosandreaf In the qa-specs repo?09:36
andreafit's not really important, I though it would be nice to have09:37
gmannblancos: yea like devstack has one-
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blancosandreaf gmann Okay, will do. And I agree, it keeps everything much neater09:38
chandankumarthat would be better, otherwise people will get confused whether the spec is for temepst or othere09:38
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gmannandreaf:  blancos: ok, we can do in same patch only. right09:38
gmannchandankumar: yea09:38
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gmann#action blancos to propose new patrole spec with separate folder in qa-specs09:39
gmannanything else on spec09:39
gmann20 min left09:39
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gmann#topic Tempest09:40
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gmannandreaf: thanks -
patchbotpatch 465897 - tempest - DNM Throughaway patch to test ssh validation09:41
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gmanni have 1 thing on tempest about cinder v3 tests and clients09:41
gmanni saw some of the patches proposing the same client for v3 tests09:41
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gmannbut we do not want to have duplicate clients09:42
gmanni think we discussed it before also09:42
andreafright we need to connect the folks doing the work09:42
gmannso what i want to know/track is how far are we from that merge09:43
andreafgmann: perhaps we could have an open etherpad for things like service clients or schemas09:43
gmannandreaf: oomichi was working on that. but not sure the progress09:43
gmannandreaf: yea, i have do for schema after simple spec. planed for next month09:43
andreafgmann: so that people sign up their name there and we can help avoiding conflict09:44
andreafthat only works if it is advertised properly though09:44
gmannoomichi: any etherpad you have for cinder client merge? where people can help09:44
andreafgmann: that would help thank you09:44
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gmannBug Triage:09:45
gmannandreaf: your turn this week09:45
andreafgmann: it was me this week09:45
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andreafI've not done much tbh - I've not seen much coming in either, I will try to smash some bugs today and tomorrow09:45
andreafso nothing else to report09:46
gmannandreaf: thanks09:46
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gmannnext week is mine turn.09:46
gmann#topic Patrole09:46
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gmannseems like blancos is offline09:48
gmannso there is first release going on for patrole09:48
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patchbotpatch 463578 - releases - Release Patrole 0.1.009:48
gmannand before that release notes were needed #link
patchbotpatch 464072 - patrole - Prepare release notes for release 0.1.009:49
gmannonce patrole patch is merged, use that commit as release one09:49
andreafgmann: ah good, I will review those two09:49
gmannandreaf: nice, that will help them. thanks09:49
gmannanything else on patrole ?09:50
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gmann#topic DevStack09:51
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andreafgmann: I think the 'not fully stable' was meant for the library part of patrole - that is not there yet :09:51
andreafso as a message that there is no stable API yet09:51
andreafi.e. there is no guarantee of backward compatibility on patrole common classes yet09:52
andreafI think it would be good to clarify that in the release notes09:52
gmannhumm, but there is no lib things in patrole yet09:52
gmanni mean the framework they have is stable. as they asked to add that in tempest lib initially09:53
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gmannfelipe reply was "Not "fully stable" means that we're not done enhancing it"09:53
gmannanyways let's review on patch, 5 min left09:54
andreafgmann: ok09:54
andreafcan we jump to the last topic?09:54
gmannon devstack, ssh things already discussed09:54
gmanni will review that once tempest patch results09:55
gmannandreaf: anything else on devstack ?09:55
andreafnope - I would like to skip the the last two bullets in the agenda if that's ok09:55
gmanndoc and open one ?09:56
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andreafMetting changes proposal09:56
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andreafI wanted to propose to move this meeting to either 8:00 or 8:30 UTC09:56
gmannlet's jump to Open09:56
gmannandreaf: yea go ahead09:57
gmannm +1 on 8 or 8.3009:57
andreafwhich will make it easier for contributors in China TZ to join09:57
gmannandreaf: you want voting09:57
andreafI will send an email to the LM09:57
chandankumarandreaf: for us also this time suits for meeting09:58
andreafbut I wanted to know if there is strong opposition09:58
andreafchandankumar: cool09:58
gmannandreaf: cool, thatnks09:58
gmannzhufl:  ?09:58
gmann#action andreaf to propose new meeting time on ML09:58
andreafalso you have seen on the ML the mail proposing zhufl for core09:58
andreafafazekas, sdague and jordanP have not voted yet so I will keep the pool open a bit longer09:59
gmann1 min left anything else anyone want to discuss09:59
chandankumarand tempest-plugin-sanity gate again failed10:00
andreafI look forward to having a new core member soon :)10:00
gmannlet's move to qa channel10:00
gmannthanks all10:00
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seva1021привет всем12:34
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seva1021кто руссо12:42
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mriedem#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May 18 14:00:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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mriedemalright then14:01
mriedem#link agenda
mriedem#topic release news14:01
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mriedem#link Pike release schedule:
mriedem#info Next upcoming milestone: Jun 8: p-2 milestone (3 weeks)14:02
* johnthetubaguy sneaks in late14:02
mriedem#info Blueprints: 70 targeted, 66 approved, 12 completed, 6 not started14:02
mriedemanything not started by p-3 we'll likely defer14:02
mriedemstarted or blocked i should say14:02
mriedemas there are some blueprints that are blocked on needing changes / owners in other projects, like ironic14:03
mriedemquestions about the release?14:03
mriedem#topic bugs14:03
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mriedemno critical bugs14:03
mriedem#help Need help with bug triage; there are 94 new untriaged bugs as of today (May 18)14:04
mriedem#link check queue gate status
mriedemthings are ok'ish14:04
mriedemthe gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-multinode-live-migration-nv job on master is 100% fail14:04
mriedemi think because the ocata side is not running systemd and the new side is trying to stop things the systemd way, and those aren't running so it fails14:05
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mriedemsdague: it was likely due to
patchbotpatch 465766 - nova (stable/ocata) - Use systemctl to restart services14:05
mriedemwhich didn't take grenade into account14:05
mriedemoops i mean
patchbotpatch 461803 - nova - Use systemctl to restart services (MERGED)14:06
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mriedemi don't have any news for 3rd party ci14:06
mriedem#topic reminders14:06
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mriedem#link Pike Review Priorities etherpad:
johnthetubaguyoh, right, we don't run nova grenade on the devstack gate I guess?14:06
mriedemdoes not compute14:07
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mriedemthe grenade live migration job is non-voting14:07
mriedemso it doesn't run in the gate queue14:07
mriedemand is restricted to i think nova, and maybe tempest experimental, not sure14:07
sdaguemriedem: it was, mostly because I didn't realize the script was used that way14:07
mriedemsdague: i forgot about it too14:08
mriedemone more reminder,14:08
mriedemIf you led sessions at the Forum, it would be good to provide summaries in the mailing list.14:08
mriedem#topic stable branch status14:08
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mriedem#link We have a few bugs which were regressions in Newton that we need to get fixed on master and backported:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1658070 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Failed SR_IOV evacuation with host" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Eli Qiao (taget-9)14:09
patchbotpatch 465042 - nova - Cache database and message queue connection objects14:09
patchbotpatch 464088 - nova - Handle special characters in database connection U...14:09
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lyarwood^ core reviews on stable/ocata would be helpful if anyone has time14:09
mriedemwe're starting to see newton bugs rolling in,14:09
mriedembecause people are just upgrading to newton now14:09
mriedem#topic subteam highlights14:10
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mriedemCells v2 (dansmith)14:10
dansmithwe talked about the outstanding patch sets we have up. things like the quotas set14:11
dansmithand we covered some recent bugs that cropped up, which I think we mostly have fixes for14:11
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dansmithincluding one where we, uh, press the limits of the network stack by trying to, uh, use all the connections14:11
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dansmithand I said I would send a summary of the cellsv2 session14:12
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dansmithwhich I totally might do14:12
dansmithI think that's it. maybe/14:12
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mriedemand i'm back14:12
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dansmithmriedem: I'm done. I said amazing things. they were yuuge.14:12
mriedemok so we need
patchbotpatch 465042 - nova - Cache database and message queue connection objects14:12
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mriedemand start working on backports14:12
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mriedembauzas: scheduler14:13
johnthetubaguyoh, whoops, I could see that bug being an issue14:13
bauzasno huge discussion for that last meeting, apart knowing which specs to review14:13
bauzasI explained to edleafe that I was working on my series for the scheduler claims14:14
bauzasand we did discussed on how Jay is very good for presentations :p14:14
bauzasthat's it, small one.14:14
mriedemok, i don't know if there was an api meeting yesterday14:15
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mriedemsince alex_xu is at the bug smash14:15
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: did you attend the api meeting?14:15
johnthetubaguyah, I did14:15
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johnthetubaguywe had a nice chat about policy docs thats up for review14:15
johnthetubaguyand the api-extension tidy up stuff14:15
johnthetubaguythe keystone policy meeting is starting to discuss how to make wider progress on the per-project admin thingy14:16
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johnthetubaguythats all folks14:16
mriedemok thanks14:16
mriedemgibi: notifications14:17
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gibifocus is on searchlight notification additions:14:17
gibiand on 3 selected notification transformation patches:14:17
gibi#link and the series starting at #link
patchbotpatch 396225 - nova - Transform instance.trigger_crash_dump notification14:17
patchbotpatch 396210 - nova - Transform aggregate.add_host notification14:17
gibithe next subteam meeting will be held on 6th of June as I will be on vacation for the next two weeks14:17
gibithat is all14:17
mriedemefried: powervm14:18
efriedNo change since last time.14:18
efriedWe're really at a point where we just need the reviews.14:18
efriedSo removing powervm from "subteams" section.14:18
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mriedemthe cinder new volume attach flow stuff is in the same boat14:19
mriedemthere is a series starting at with +2s14:19
patchbotpatch 456896 - nova - Add Cinder v3 detach call to _terminate_volume_con...14:19
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mriedemjohn and i have been helping on those but since i'm pushing some of the changes we need a 3rd core14:19
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mriedemthat's it for subteam stuff14:19
mriedem#topic stuck reviews14:19
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mriedemnothing in the agenda14:20
mriedemanyone have anything they want to bring up here?14:20
mriedem#topic open discussion14:20
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mriedemthere is one item14:20
mriedem(mlakat) We'd like to get some advice on: What is the standard OpenStack  way of running something (in this case an os.path.getsize()) with a  timeout? This came up as part of: Basically what happened is that a broken NFS connection might block os.path.getsize(path) forever. Approaches tried:14:20
openstackLaunchpad bug 1691131 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "IO stuck causes nova compute agent outage" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Daniel Gonzalez Nothnagel (dgonzalez)14:20
mriedem1) putting it on a separate green thread: Still blocks the main green thread forever14:20
mriedem2) putting it on a separate Thread: We have no way of killing threads nicely in python14:20
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mriedem3) use multiprocess module: seems to work, but I am a bit worried about the overhead of it14:21
mriedem* Someone must have solved this already in OpenStack14:21
mdboothmlakat: I commented in the review: I think you need to address that problem at a different level.14:21
johnthetubaguydon't we dispatch in the libvirt driver already?14:21
mdboothGiven that literally everything may be on NFS, if we've got fundamental issues like that, we can't use that technique everywhere.14:21
mriedemright, i was going to say,14:21
mriedemthis seems like a giant game of whack a mole14:22
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dgonzalezmdbooth: That's why we put the issue on the agenda, it would be nice to get feedback on the issue and maybe some ideas how this can be solved the proper way14:22
johnthetubaguymdbooth: that came up in channel yesterday, a related thingy14:22
mkodererfor me it's a design issue - the heartbeat should never stop although there is an hanging fs14:22
johnthetubaguybut if the thread is hanging, nothing will happen, so the heartbeat dieing is actually useful?14:22
mdboothFWIW, NFS in Linux has been a pita as long as I've been using it14:22
mriedemi'm not sure what 'heartbeat' we're talking about14:23
mdboothIf the server goes away, you end up with a process stuck in uninterriptible sleep14:23
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mdboothAnd that's, well, uninterruptible14:23
mriedemthe update_available_resource periodic task in the compute?14:23
mkodererthe thing was we had an overload in the cloud and weren't able to stop any vm in this case14:23
lyarwoodD state ftw14:23
johnthetubaguyheatbeat = service up check (in DB)?14:23
mdboothlyarwood: Indeed14:23
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mdboothI think this is best solved with monitoring tools14:23
mlakatSo how shall we handle/recover situations where we have an I/O blocked NFS share?14:24
mdboothWe should blow the mount out of the water (is that possible now, never used to be) if it hangs14:24
mkoderermdbooth: we have it in the monitoring14:24
dgonzalezmriedem: yes its the update_available_resource task14:24
johnthetubaguydid os-privsep make this worse by accident, out of interest?14:24
mkodererbut we aren't able to stop vm producing the overload14:24
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: i don't think it has anything to do with that14:24
johnthetubaguyoh, this is a regular python call, just on an NFS filesystem14:24
mlakatyes, a stat call14:24
mlakatin the end14:24
mdboothuninteruptible sleep is a Linux kernel process state14:24
mlakatwhich blocks.14:24
mdboothThis isn't a python issue14:25
dgonzalezthe moment os.path.getsize on the hanging nfs, the task gets stuck14:25
* johnthetubaguy nodes at mlakat in a yes, and a hello nice to see you sense14:25
johnthetubaguyheh nods14:25
* mlakat nods back :-)14:25
johnthetubaguymdbooth: agreed14:25
mkodererit's a deployment issue14:26
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lyarwoodso if this stat was threaded and timed out what then? the instances are still marked as running while they are actually in D-state right?14:26
mriedemmkoderer: when you say you can't stop any vm in the cloud, you mean just any vm on this compute host right?14:26
johnthetubaguyI could have swarn we fixed this someone already, for something... like in disk cache or something14:26
mriedemor does this lock every vm on every compute running on the same nfs share?14:26
mkoderermriedem: the NFS is mounted on several compute hosts14:26
mkodererso basically we lost control of a big portion of the cloud14:27
mriedemi think i would reconsider using NFS14:27
mdboothmriedem: +114:27
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mkodererso the message is: don't use NFS?14:27
mkodererand don't do any live migration?14:27
johnthetubaguyuse iSCSI or something like that instead, or ceph14:27
mriedemwe can't thread out every os path python call in the libvirt driver14:27
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mriedemjust because NFS can lock up your entire cloud14:28
mdboothmriedem: It's not just os.path14:28
mriedemthe message is, use monitoring tools to detect the issue, and then blow up the stuck mount14:28
mdboothIt's presumably literally anything which touches the filesystem14:28
mdboothAnd they're just hitting it here first14:28
johnthetubaguyjust to get my head straight, the problem is the system is broken, NFS has locked up, but we look bad because we also lock up and the computes appear dead?14:29
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mdboothjohnthetubaguy: I'd say so14:29
mlakatjohnthetubaguy, yes, and we have no way of stopping instances causing the high workload14:29
johnthetubaguysounds like we are doing the correct thing14:30
mriedemmlakat: you can't kill them via virsh?14:30
mkodererno I would like a design were deletion is also possible in case of an overload14:30
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johnthetubaguyits a good question, does virsh still work for the delete?14:30
mlakatmriedem, we still look at what virsh's reaction in this situation, we are in the process of testing it.14:31
dgonzalezI am currently testing this, and it seems to be hanging too...14:31
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mlakatAssume virsh is not cooperating, how would you then "kill" the busy domain?14:31
mkodererok that's tricky14:31
johnthetubaguywe only really talk vai libvirt, so game over I think14:32
mlakatmriedem, you said to blow the mountpoint?14:32
bswartzdoes qemu have an builtin userspace NFS client?14:32
johnthetubaguythis NFS isn't mounted by Nova I guess?14:32
mdboothjohnthetubaguy: It would have been, actually14:32
johnthetubaguylike you can't do a force cinder detatch at this point?14:32
mdboothIt's a volume14:32
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johnthetubaguyah, I was assuming this was the whole instances dir14:32
mdboothAlthough it could equally be shared instance dir14:32
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mdboothHowever, force unmount of nfs is apparently *still* not possible robustly in Linux14:33
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dgonzalezfor us its currently only volumes that are affected. But all VMs that have a volume from the affected NFS can't be deleted14:33
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bswartzif things getting stuck on NFS is a big problem then it's worth considering NFS soft mounts instead of hard mounts, but I worry that soft mounts create other problems which might be worse14:34
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mdboothYep, soft mounts prevent hangs14:35
mdboothHowever, they cause IO errors during transient load spikes14:35
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bswartzyeah and that's probably and even worse situation14:35
mdboothNFS is what it is14:35
mkodererok seems it's not solvable in nova then.. :(14:36
mriedemso i'm not sure we're going to come to any conclusion here - i don't really think this is nova's problem to solve, honestly14:36
mdboothI think Nova is the wrong place to address it, unfortunately14:36
dgonzalezyeah I agree with you...14:36
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mriedemeven if you thread things out and log an error on timeout, you have to address and resolve the underlying issue at some point outside of nova most likely14:37
mriedemby cleaning up the locked mount i guess14:37
mlakatsounds like a monitoring agent, or something like that?14:37
mdboothmriedem: Which can sometimes only be achieved with a reboot14:37
mriedemthreading out anything that touches the filesystem is going to be a mess, unless you're talking about monkey patching the os module or something14:37
johnthetubaguysounds like some stat call to each NFS mount in some monitoring loop would catch this OK?14:38
mlakatmriedem, threads are not an option14:38
mlakatjohnthetubaguy, the action is still not clear in that case.14:38
mriedemanyway, i'm -1 to what's proposed in the change, and i think we've spent enough time on it in this meeting14:39
mriedemwe can move to -nova if you want to discuss further14:39
mriedembut let's end this meeting14:39
mlakatThank you for your time.14:39
johnthetubaguymlakat: true14:39
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mdboothjohnthetubaguy: The stat call itself would probably hit the same problem14:39
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asettle#startmeeting docteam16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May 18 16:00:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is asettle. Information about MeetBot at
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asettleHey ianychoi :)16:00
ianychoiasettle, rluethi: hello!16:00
asettlerluethi: hooray! Glad you made it :)16:01
rluethiso am I :)16:01
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asettleAJaeger: hey pal!16:01
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* AJaeger is just lurking, need to cycle home and want to read backscroll16:01
asettleOkay AJaeger :)16:02
rluethiwelcome all lurkers!16:02
asettleWe'll wait until 5 past for quorum :)16:02
asettleI know annegentle is around, but double booked16:03
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ianychoiannegentle, hello!16:04
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asettleOkay we're at 5 past16:05
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asettleShould we continue?16:05
asettleThe agenda is pretty short anyway :)16:05
annegentlego for it!16:05
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ianychoi+1 Let's go16:05
asettle#topic Action items from the last meeting16:06
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asettleI don't believe we had any again \o/16:06
asettleSo, nice!16:06
asettle#topic Summit recap16:06
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asettleThis is our etherpad from the summit - linked to all other etherpads!16:07
asettleUniverse of pad16:07
asettleThere was a lot going on at the summit, a full on week, as always.16:07
asettleI'm currently writing up my summit recap email which has some more indepth information16:07
asettleBut we'll be looking at some fairly radical changes with how the doc team is structured.16:07
asettleAs it stands, the group has been going up and up and up, which is great.16:07
asettleBut now we're at a stage where we are unable to maintain the content that we have16:08
* AJaeger thanks asettle for driving all these discussions!16:08
asettledhellmann has been working with me to come up with new action items for the future.16:08
asettleYou can view them here16:08
asettlethanks AJaeger :) I appreciate your support16:08
* dhellmann checks his calendar16:09
rluethiwow, that's a lot of action items.16:09
asettleOne of the biggest concerns at the moment (and always has been, who am I kidding) is the Installation Guide16:09
asettlerluethi: sure is :( we have a *lot* of stuff16:09
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asettledhellmann: meeting time change ;)16:09
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asettleIf anyone has any questions about that, please ping me16:09
asettleI'm happy to walk it through with you all16:09
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dhellmannasettle : ah, I guess I missed the notice of that. I'll talk to you later about how to keep up to date on these things :-)16:10
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rluethiI am glad to see that we haven't got any items :).16:10
asettledhellmann: meeting minutes?16:10
asettlerluethi: none so far16:10
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asettleBut, It would be good to talk about that16:11
asettleAnd figure out where you want to take the training-labs and guides16:11
dhellmannasettle : well, I thought I'd try to attend until this transition is completed16:11
* AJaeger adds some action items for rluethi ;)16:11
rluethiasettle: was that with a threatening voice?16:11
asettlerluethi: hahahhaa not at all16:11
asettleI'll phrase with more smileys next time - I'm sorry. I do genuinely think we should chat about what you are thinking for the future :)16:11
ianychoiasettle, I want to follow the changes regarding some changes on translation (I18n) activities16:12
rluethino, ajaeger, stay good.16:12
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* AJaeger will16:12
asettleianychoi: of course. Definitely a prioritiy16:12
annegentlethanks dhellmann16:12
rluethiasettle: sure, no problem. (maybe _I_ should have used more smileys)16:12
asettleHahhaha perfect :) we'll sync up sometime soon16:13
annegentlemore smileys all around!16:13
asettle#action asettle to chat to rluethi about training-labs and guides future16:13
asettle#action asettle and ianychoi to discuss planning changes with translation activities16:13
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ianychoiasettle, please try to reach out matjazp for training-guides :) If no, then I would like to propose it as an agenda for next IRC meeting (May 30).16:14
asettleianychoi: good point! Please update the agenda for next week :)16:14
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asettleOkay, sorry, distracted all over hte hsop16:16
asettlethe shop*16:16
annegentlehop, shop, all good :)16:16
* AJaeger will enjoy the sunshine with his bike now - bbl16:16
asettleI will be sending out an email to the dev ML regarding my concerns with the installation guide16:16
asettlecya AJaeger !16:16
ianychoicya AJaeger :)16:16
asettlePlease everyone keep your eyes out for that16:16
asettleI would love your support and thoughts16:16
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annegentleasettle still need more context on discussions, need to read read read16:17
asettleannegentle: yep. there's more coming out too. After this meeting I will be sending out my summary email :016:18
asettle:) *16:18
asettleHopefully that'll add some more context, and we can go further16:18
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asettleI'm always happy to answer questions16:18
annegentleok, good16:18
asettleIt is hard to communicate everything when it all happens so fast! But hopefully I'll clarify evrything16:18
ianychoiannegentle, aha that's how to increase English - good writing is based on more more reading16:18
annegentleso true!16:19
asettleWell, annegentle you're going to love this reading :p16:19
asettleAnyway. MOving along :)16:19
asettle#topic Specialty team reports16:19
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asettleannegentle: API :)16:20
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annegentleasettle on it!16:20
annegentle#info Looking for better ways to indicate "nesting" on request parameters16:20
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asettleLooking :)16:21
annegentleAnd then also saw that bug report on the developer landing page that the CLI section wraps badly, thanks dhellmann for reporting16:21
annegentleotherwise, mostly looking for info on what came out of the Forum16:22
annegentlethat's all I have16:22
asettleAwesome :) thanks annegentle16:22
asettleDo you have any more reports on the theme, btw?16:22
asettleLots of people are really interested in it16:22
annegentleasettle interested in it how? I had hoped to get help with it at Write the Docs, I can't quite figure out how to bring in inherited pieces.16:23
annegentleasettle any input on what they can't live without?16:23
asettleannegentle: none so far. Mostly that people are just mega excited for consistency.16:24
annegentleand it's what we had identified before, that the openstackdocstheme doesn't "inhereit"16:24
asettleThat's a sentence I never htought I'd say16:24
annegentleasettle oh that's encouraging, yay16:24
asettleVery encouraging :D16:24
annegentleI do need to make a 1.9.0 release for the header breakage (404s in links in drop-down menus)16:25
annegentle#info Working on a 1.9.0 release of openstackdocstheme for bug fixing16:25
dhellmannannegentle : it looks like sphinx 1.6.1 breaks the oslosphinx theme inheritance, so keep an eye out for that in the work you're doing.16:25
annegentledhellmann ok, thanks16:25
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dhellmannI just hit that yesterday, and we've been blocking 1.6.1 until we have a fix16:25
dhellmannthat release broke builds all over the internet :-16:26
annegentleasettle any input from infra team about their deliverables specifically or shall I reach out individually?16:26
annegentledhellmann boo16:26
asettleannegentle: I've had no specifics, I"m sorry :(16:26
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annegentleasettle no worries, I'll reach out16:26
asettleI'll reach out and try and get some more info for you annegentle16:26
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asettleAt least, people that are putting in requests, I'll ask what they want ;)16:26
annegentleasettle I'm sure consistency is a huge win :)16:27
asettleHhahaha well, it was pretty exciting considering all I'd ever herad before was 'grumble grumble i hate change'16:27
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annegentleasettle ha!16:27
annegentleconsolidate for the win16:28
asettleHahhaha yes16:28
asettleOkay, I don't see Matjaz?16:28
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ianychoiIt seems that matjazp is offline16:29
asettleOkay :)16:29
asettleWell, rluethi up to you then for Training labs16:29
asettleAnything happy-happening?16:29
rluethiWe have started development work for Pike. Small bug fixes, refactoring, ramping up for a few new features that we hope to introduce during this cycle.16:29
asettleOh neato :)16:30
rluethiThis will give you a rough idea: #link
asettlerluethi: do you need a second core on any of those?16:30
rluethiI think I will first try to wack one of those that we have :).16:31
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asettleHahha okay :)16:31
rluethiBut yeah, we are spread thin as well.16:32
asettlerluethi: definitely worth us having that conversation then :)16:33
asettleI want to make sure we're all coming together as a team, rather than being so silo'd. It definitely worked in the past, but as rluethi said, we're all spread pretty thin16:33
mpranjicsorry for being late16:34
asettlempranjic: yo yo16:34
asettleThat's okay :)16:34
annegentlehey mpranjic16:34
asettleThanks for joining16:34
mpranjicthanks for having me :)16:34
asettleNo worries, we're just at the end here16:34
ianychoimpranjic, hello!16:34
asettle#topic Bug triaging16:34
*** openstack changes topic to "Bug triaging (Meeting topic: docteam)"16:34
asettleOlena is our current bug triage liaison (I am stepping in while she is PTO). Nothing notable.16:34
asettleThanks to Chason to filling in the remaining slot!16:34
asettleNext up is bsilverman for the 22 May - 5 Jun16:34
ianychoiAha... Olena triaged my recent bug submission - :)16:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1691058 in openstack-manuals "Old EOL-ed release landing pages have master (up-to-date) document links" [Low,Confirmed]16:35
asettleianychoi: ahhh jeez, good catch16:36
asettle#topic Open discussion16:37
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asettleAlright, that's the end of this one folks!16:37
asettleAny questions, concerns, comments, feelings?16:38
ianychoiDuring Docs/I18n project onboarding session, one tempest contributor applied openstackdocstheme by changing from oslosphinx:
asettleAh, was that Matt?16:38
ianychoiasettle, Masayuki :)16:38
asettleI know a lot of people were like 'why are we still using oslo.sphinx?!'16:38
asettleAnd I was like 'uhhhh, cause you choose to?'16:38
ianychoiAnd I18n team also now uses openstackdocstheme:
annegentlelook at that cool parrot16:39
annegentleoh I sat next to a tech writer at Pivotal who LOVES and I mean LOVES our fox mascot!16:39
asettleHhahahaha that's cute16:39
ianychoiannegentle, haha thanks! :) I also love FOX mascot!16:40
annegentledefinitely nearly took my fox sticker off my laptop (not really)16:40
annegentleI'll mail her one if I can find one!16:40
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asettleannegentle: I have about forty billion, no joke16:40
asettleLet me send you some16:40
asettleI don't know what to do with them16:40
annegentlealso, there's a writer at F5 who presented about treating docs like code who has some OpenStack patches to do, so that's cool.16:40
annegentlepresented at Write the Docs in Portland Tuesday, I mean16:41
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asettleOh wonderful :D16:41
annegentlei also attempted to onboard six people at once on Sunday!16:41
asettleI'm glad there's people still out there paying attention to us16:41
annegentleHence my patches over the weeeknd.16:41
asettleHow'd that go annegentle ? :)16:41
asettleI got your email late, I'm so sorry!16:41
annegentlegrateful to you all helping me merge those :)16:41
annegentlealso how I found the broken links in the header16:41
annegentleso yeah, went really well16:41
ianychoiannegentle, great! I sometimes see you on "Write the Docs" slack :)16:42
annegentleall the usual onboarding headaches with identities and ssh keys16:42
annegentleianychoi yeah!16:42
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asettleannegentle: ugh noooo. One day we'll have to make that better16:43
asettleGuess that isn't going to happen tomorrow :P16:43
annegentleheh, nope16:43
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asettleAlright, well, I think we're pretty much done here16:44
asettleANything else folkks?16:44
asettlePass on the word that this is the new improved meeting time16:44
asettleHow does this work for people?16:44
rluethiimproved indeed.16:44
rluethiasettle: thanks for the review :)16:46
annegentlegreat except for double (was triple) booking... heh16:46
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asettleNot a problem :) made sense!16:46
asettleHahaha :)16:46
ianychoiI can sleep now haha16:46
asettleBYE GUYS16:47
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openstackMinutes (text):
mpranjicbye :)16:47
ianychoiBye all!16:47
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kevinbentonarmax, amotoki, ihrachys: ping22:00
kevinbentonfirst time we've had everyone in a long time :)22:00
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kevinbentonfirst i'd like to talk about the community goals really quick22:01
kevinbentonihrachys: we had briefly chatted about switching at least one tempest job to python322:01
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ihrachysbecause I think we also planned to switch functional/fullstack?22:02
kevinbentonbut one of the tempest as well i think to exercise actual VM boots and all22:02
armaxkevinbenton: I thought taht switching tempest needs to be a concerted effort across projects22:02
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ihrachysI think there was some experimental job somewhere that attempted to switch all things to py322:03
armaxotherwise we risk to break because of other projects failing py322:03
kevinbentonihrachys: well if we switch functional to start, does it pass right now?22:03
kevinbentonarmax: i think ihrachys had a fix for that22:03
ihrachyskevinbenton, I would assume no but I dunno until we check22:03
armaxkevinbenton: what’s the fix?22:03
kevinbentonarmax: so projects had to opt into python322:03
kevinbentoni remember that was the case for rally22:03
ihrachyskevinbenton, I think dhellmann and sdague were the last ones who were looking at this in devstack22:03
kevinbentonwell lets just do functional/fullstack then22:04
kevinbentonshall we sacrifice the functional job?22:04
kevinbentonit's been unusually stable :)22:04
ihrachyswell some worked on it..22:05
ihrachys+ for sacrifice22:05
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kevinbentonok, we can see where that's at after the meeting to push it forward22:05
armaxit’s stable because there’s less volume of changes come into the system22:05
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ihrachysand maybe let's just lag on tempest until community comes up with proper nudge and solution22:05
kevinbentonihrachys: sounds good22:05
ihrachysarmax, yeah, 'magic'22:05
kevinbentonso the other one is switching to wsgi22:05
armaxlong are the days were I would wake up to 100s of review notifications in my inbox22:05
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armaxihrachys: +22:06
kevinbentonthere is a bug tracking this somewhere isn't there?22:06
armaxlet’s switch to something we have full control over22:06
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kevinbentoni think i'm going to make a blueprint to track the wsgi one because there are several things that need to be done22:06
ihrachysI am not aware of a bug. there was a etherpad22:06
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ihrachyswell it's not very helpful :p22:07
ihrachysI think jlibosva was supposed to come up with a plan but..22:07
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ihrachysyou can see there is a bug indeed
openstackLaunchpad bug 1683301 in neutron "python 3.5 support" [Undecided,New]22:08
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kevinbentonsorry, not a bug for py322:08
ihrachysbut something happened, not sure. atm Jakub is on PTO.22:08
kevinbentonone for wsgi22:08
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kevinbentoni just filed this to track efforst22:08
armaxoh right22:08
ihrachysbug #166677922:09
openstackbug 1666779 in neutron "Expose neutron API via a WSGI script" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka)22:09
kevinbentoni know there was a devstack patch floating around to actually run22:09
ihrachysthe devstack piece:
ihrachysthe author left the team22:09
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mlavalleyeah electrocucaracha22:10
kevinbenton#info armax is going to be release person for cycle22:11
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kevinbentonok, i have the devstack piece recorded in the blueprint22:11
kevinbentonthe neutron-rpc-server binary needs to be fixed so it works22:11
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kevinbentonwhich is what yamamoto was getting at in the review22:11
ihrachysyeah, there is some neutron side work22:12
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1687896 in neutron "neutron-rpc-server fails to start on configuration that works under neutron-server" [Undecided,New]22:12
kevinbentonlooks like someone tried it already and opened a bug22:12
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kevinbentoni will look into these things for that goal22:12
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kevinbentonare there any other blueprints that are now at risk due to OSIC cuts, etc?22:13
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mlavallethe whole OVO effort, maybe?22:13
kevinbentonihrachys: is it basically just down to you?22:13
ihrachysehm it's at risk but it's not like I bail out22:14
ihrachysyes it's on me basically. also manjeets helps with some bits.22:14
ihrachysI am not bailing out though.22:14
armaxihrachys: not now anyway? :22:14
ihrachysnot today22:14
kevinbentonihrachys: ok, are you using that google docs spreadsheet to track which ones need to be done?22:14
armaxit’s becoming a race to who’s the last one standing22:14
ihrachyskevinbenton, I should make a proper assessment of work items, haven't looked this way for quite a while22:15
ihrachyskevinbenton, lemme come up with smth the next week.22:15
ihrachysone spec that is not affected by OSIC but by other changes in the team is, I believe, flow manager is going to die:
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kevinbentonihrachys: ok, if you get the blueprint whiteboard updated with a todo i might be able to take some on in my spare time22:16
kevinbentonihrachys: yeah22:16
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ihrachysjust talked to David, and he seems like he won't work on this, and we neither have interested parties.22:16
kevinbentonihrachys: i'm getting that suspicion as well22:16
ihrachysI am fine to kill it. it's a nice idea but won't deliver. tough life.22:16
ihrachys(I actually wanted to kill it in the past, but then David and Thomas asked to keep it on life support)22:17
armaxyet another victim of ovn defection22:17
kevinbentonihrachys: is it blocking any features on their side?22:17
ihrachysarmax, basically yes22:17
armaxnatural selection22:17
amotokiwho needs this spec? I think fwaas or sfc folks need it. is it worth asking them?22:17
armaxthat’s good22:17
ihrachysarmax, both resource wise and philosophically22:17
armaxwell, I think we need to seriously consider the impact on people who geniunely are still interested in writing this stuff in python22:18
ihrachysamotoki, I am beyond the point where I will ask if they need. if they would be interested, I would see more activity on the spec.22:18
armaxbecause we’re not trading apples with apples here22:18
kevinbentonright, OVN definitely isn't a replacement for a thing we can actually develop new features on22:19
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kevinbentonso we'll probably be stuck with OVS ref for quite a while22:19
armaxwe should try and not to kill the spec itself though22:19
ihrachyskevinbenton, well it depends on how you look at it. even for ovs, you need to lay ground work before you consume its features in neutron. it's just more stuff pushed into platform.22:19
armaxit’d be nice to park it somewhere22:19
armaxfor future reference22:20
ihrachysarmax, like devref?22:20
armaxihrachys: if we merged it as it22:20
armaxbut not work on it22:20
armaxit’ll go in the backlog22:20
armaxand stay there22:20
kevinbentonihrachys: only for a limited set of things. anything 'steering traffic' using openflow has been suppored by OVS since openflow became a thing22:20
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armaxand eventually archive22:20
kevinbentonwhich is what things like SFC and BGPVPN need22:21
kevinbentonOVN just gives much higher level primitives22:21
ihrachysarmax, I am fine either way. maybe just move it to backlog right away and merge?22:21
armaxwhich actually made me notice that there’s still an ocata backlog that hasn’t been dealt with22:21
ihrachyswith a NOTE at the top22:21
armaxihrachys: I am fine either waty22:22
kevinbentonarmax: what does "dealt with"22:22
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armaxthose blueprints should either be retargeted to pike22:22
armaxor moved to archive22:22
ihrachysmmm, thanks for the notice, I need to move the online-upgrades one, it's still relevant for Pike, and we have something to land for it.22:22
kevinbentonagentless-driver has a blueprint for pike22:23
kevinbentonbut no patches it looks like22:23
armaxihrachys: ack22:24
armaxkevinbenton: I thought garyk was interested in taht one22:24
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amotokilooking at the bug report, i found but there has been no progress from January22:25
kevinbentonok, let's look through some of the RFEs22:26
kevinbentoni think some are as a result of the summit22:26
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1686035 in neutron "[RFE] More detailed reporting of available QoS rules" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)22:26
mlavallewas at the top of the list earlier22:27
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mlavallebut I re-classified at rfe and went to the bottom22:27
mlavalleI saw slaweq_ signing in22:27
mlavallemaybe he wants to discuss22:27
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mlavalleslaweq_: are you there?22:28
mlavallemhhh, maybe not22:29
kevinbentonlet's go from top down then for now22:29
openstackLaunchpad bug 1505627 in neutron "[RFE] QoS Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Support" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee)22:29
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kevinbentonihrachys: who is this qos team you speak of? :)22:29
kevinbentonihrachys: what are their feelings on it22:30
ihrachyswell there is Rodolfo and Slawek at least22:30
kevinbentonihrachys: shall we wait for them to reply?22:30
mlavalleand slawek also shows up to their bi-weekly meeting on Tuesdays22:30
ihrachysI dunno what their feelings are, but I see a lot of stuff they seem to care, and I wonder if that other thing is on their radar for Pike. I am not sure.22:31
armaxwe should can this one22:31
armaxit’s been sitting in the pipe dream stage for too long22:31
kevinbentonarmax: that's not a reason22:31
armaxOK, then approve all the things22:31
kevinbentonlet's wait for feedback from them22:31
mlavallekevinbenton: I attend their meeting regularly. I can bring it up next time22:32
kevinbentonmlavalle: thx22:32
openstackLaunchpad bug 1558812 in neutron "[RFE] Enable adoption of an existing subnet into a subnetpool" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee)22:32
armaxthe thread on the report goes back and forth for months and months22:32
kevinbentonthis is an old one as well22:32
mlavallewith a good summary from Carl22:32
armaxkevinbenton: what confidence do you have this will suddenly becomes high priority?22:32
armaxlet’s wait22:32
kevinbentonI think we should be able to adopt subnets now if each adoption bumps the revision of the subnet pool22:33
kevinbentonthat will protect us from the race condtion that plagued this before22:34
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kevinbentonor bumps the revision of the address scope22:34
kevinbentonwhat do we think about just putting this to approved and then decide based on teh complexity of the patch22:35
armaxthe latest patch I can recall was
kevinbentonit looks relatively short and isolated as it is22:35
kevinbentonthere is also this one
armaxthat was was a clone of ryan's22:36
armaxand I blocked it to avoid losing the history of the initial patch22:36
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armaxif we do have someone willing to work on the patch22:37
armaxwe should just restore the blueprint and RFE22:37
armaxit was approved at one point22:37
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kevinbentonok, reedip said he was interested22:37
armaxwe can provisionally put it back on the radar and see what thappens22:37
kevinbentonthat's why i brought it back from postponed22:37
kevinbentonarmax: ok, set to rfe-approved and lets see what happens22:38
openstackLaunchpad bug 1561824 in neutron "[RFE] Enhance BGP Dynamic Routing driver with Quagga suppport" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Steve Ruan (ruansx)22:38
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kevinbentonthis one seems like it should maybe be rfe-postponed for now22:38
kevinbentonnobody restored the spec22:39
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mlavalleSteve used to show up to the L3 subteam regularly22:40
kevinbentonmlavalle: ok, if he shows up again just have him restore the spec22:40
mlavalleBut he hasn't shown up since maybe october - novemeber22:40
mlavallewill do22:40
openstackLaunchpad bug 1596611 in neutron "[RFE] Create L3 IPs with qos (rate limit)" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889)22:40
kevinbentonihrachys: this one needs buy-in from qos folks as well?22:41
ihrachysI would imagine they may have some input, yes22:41
ihrachysthe use case seems interesting22:41
ihrachysand the WIP patches seem promising22:41
ihrachysI reviewed the spec, needs some refinement22:42
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mlavallekevinbenton: again, I can bring it up in their next meeting22:42
kevinbentonihrachys: LIU has been a pretty good contributor in the past, shall we just move to rfe-approved and see if we can get agreement on the spec from everyone?22:43
mlavallejust keep in mind it is bi-weekly and they had it this week22:43
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ihrachyskevinbenton, I am fine, he seems active22:43
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ihrachysmy main concern about the other qos rfe was that it's not clear who's going to support it. here, I see how it's useful and hence can help.22:43
openstackLaunchpad bug 1639566 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for local SNAT" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:44
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kevinbentonthis is distributed SNAT where different colored lipstick22:44
kevinbentonbased on the meeting at the summit it sounds like we won't have review bandwidth to make that change this cycle22:45
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kevinbentonand even the person that filed the RFE said they won't be able to write the code22:46
kevinbentonso i think rfe-postponed is appropriate for this one22:46
amotokisounds fair22:47
armaxI thought the feedback fromt he summit was to let users have a go at dragonflow22:48
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kevinbentonyeah, that's the same thing as not doing it in DVR :)22:48
armaxand see if l3 flavor enhancements were required in case users wanted to use dragonflow in conjunction with other L3 options22:48
kevinbentonyeah, we can definitely make changes to L3 flavors to help if needed to test DVR22:48
kevinbentoni already mentioned that in the neutron meeting on monday22:49
armaxso rather than postpone we should possibly close the RFE altogehter?22:49
kevinbentonin the future someone may actually want to change DVR22:49
openstackLaunchpad bug 1658682 in neutron "port-security can't be disabled if security groups are not enabled" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:49
kevinbentonthis now just sounds like a regular bug to me22:50
kevinbentonwe are requiring security groups to be enabled to touch an API value that is unrelated22:50
amotokiagree. in some summit forum session, someone complained the same thing.22:51
armaxamotoki: I think it was the same person22:51
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armaxOK, I can fix it22:53
amotokiI think we need to clarify what we expect with port security enabled and SG disabled.22:53
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armaxamotoki: just spoofing rules applied22:53
amotokimy understanding is that anti-spoofing is enabled but no filtering like SG22:53
armaxas kevin said22:53
amotokithanks. move on22:54
armaxI’ll give it a stub tonight22:54
armaxif I can22:54
openstackLaunchpad bug 1662650 in neutron "[RFE] Advance configuration of SR-IOV ports- api extension" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Trevor McCasland (twm2016)22:54
kevinbentontrevormc: hey, you were going to break this into smaller RFEs, has that been done yet?22:54
mlavalleThis is what we discussed with Trevor and team on Thursday22:55
trevormcyes I have22:55
trevormcthree are on the way22:55
mlavalleI already saw a couple of them in the ML22:55
trevormctwo are currently available22:55
openstackLaunchpad bug 1690937 in neutron "[RFE] Support allowed address pairs without ip address" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:55
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1690921 in neutron "[RFE] Manage Broadcast, Unicast, and Multicast traffic" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:55
kevinbentonok, we'll probably get to those next session22:55
kevinbentoni'll move to triaged state after reading through22:55
trevormcI have a meeting with the research team next week.22:56
kevinbentonoh i see22:56
armax4 minutes22:56
kevinbentonalready triaged22:56
kevinbentontrevormc: so can we dump ?22:56
openstackLaunchpad bug 1662650 in neutron "[RFE] Advance configuration of SR-IOV ports- api extension" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Trevor McCasland (twm2016)22:56
mlavalletrevormc: will you be ready by Thursday of next week?22:56
trevormcmlavalle: I hope so, you will see the new RFEs if so22:56
mlavalle++ :-)22:57
openstackLaunchpad bug 1671634 in neutron "[RFE] Allow to set MTU for networks" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka)22:57
armaxI thought this was already solved:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1682775 in neutron "[RFE] Tag mechanism supports all resouces with standard attribute." [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Hirofumi Ichihara (ichihara-hirofumi)22:57
kevinbentonihrachys: can you take over that one?22:57
ihrachyskevinbenton, which of?22:58
ihrachysyes, once it gets approved, I will move to it22:58
kevinbentonsomeone had a very clear use case of connecting a neutron net to another with l2tp so MTU needed to be downgraded to match22:58
kevinbentonso i think we can approve this22:58
amotokiIIRC armax had opinions on this in a past meeting22:59
kevinbentonarmax: please release your opinions onto us in 30 seconds22:59
armaxI am ok with the it22:59
armaxI only fear the backlash22:59
armaxof bugs that will creep in22:59
kevinbentonthat's okay23:00
ihrachysbugs? I write no bugs23:00
armaxbecause of the allow_post=True now23:00
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