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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 30 03:00:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-05-30_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| Namrata | Namrata | 03:00 |
| mkrai | o/ | 03:00 |
| hongbin | hi Namrata mkrai | 03:00 |
| hongbin | i knew today is chinese holiday | 03:00 |
| hongbin | perhaps not too much ppl will join today | 03:00 |
| mkrai | Ok so do we have our meeting? | 03:01 |
| hongbin | let's pause for a few minutes for potential attendees, we could have a short meeting today | 03:01 |
| Namrata | ok | 03:01 |
| mkrai | Ok | 03:01 |
| mkrai | What is the holiday? | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | dragon boat festival | 03:02 |
| mkrai | Yes I searched in google | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | ok, let's get started | 03:02 |
| hongbin | Namrata: i am reviewing your heat patch | 03:03 |
| hongbin | Namrata: just uploading a revision for a few fixes | 03:03 |
| Namrata | okay will go through it and update the patch | 03:03 |
| hongbin | Namrata: will continue to test the patch and might upload a few more revisions | 03:03 |
| hongbin | Namrata: ack | 03:04 |
| Namrata | and regarding the heat doc I havent started yet | 03:04 |
| Namrata | I will do that by this week | 03:04 |
| hongbin | Namrata: sure, thx | 03:04 |
| hongbin | Namrata: you have taken another import BP | 03:04 |
| hongbin | Namrata: which is hte python35 bp | 03:04 |
| hongbin | Namrata: do you still have time to work on it ? | 03:05 |
| Namrata | will try to this week | 03:05 |
| Namrata | if i will not be able to i will unassign it | 03:05 |
| hongbin | Namrata: sure | 03:05 |
| hongbin | Namrata: thanks Namrata | 03:05 |
| Namrata | thanks hongbin | 03:06 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: you wanted to give a short update about your work? | 03:06 |
| mkrai | sure | 03:06 |
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| mkrai | But I haven't been working much on Zun these days due to other priorities at work | 03:07 |
| mkrai | But I will be posting few patches these week to the api doc | 03:07 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ok, take your time | 03:07 |
| mkrai | And after that I want to complete the image api. | 03:07 |
| hongbin | sure | 03:08 |
| mkrai | That's all | 03:08 |
| hongbin | mkrai: thx madhuri | 03:08 |
| mkrai | Now hongbin do you want to tell us about your work? | 03:08 |
| hongbin | i will give a short update of my part | 03:08 |
| mkrai | Ok | 03:08 |
| hongbin | i am working on the cinder spec | 03:08 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468658/ | 03:09 |
| hongbin | it is still a WIP, but you could take a look at it if you interest | 03:09 |
| mkrai | I will take a look this week | 03:09 |
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| hongbin | the idea is to make the volume driver pluggable as other drivers | 03:09 |
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| hongbin | eventually, i want to decouple from fuxi because there are several limitation of fuxi | 03:10 |
| mkrai | Ok so cinder is also configurable | 03:10 |
| mkrai | ? | 03:10 |
| hongbin | my major concern is that operators might find it overhead to install an extra service | 03:10 |
| hongbin | mkrai: yes, it should be | 03:10 |
| hongbin | mkrai: they will have a choice between direct cinder and fuxi | 03:10 |
| mkrai | Ah I see | 03:11 |
| mkrai | But I had this impression that Fuxi is used by Cinder | 03:11 |
| mkrai | What is the relation b/w these two projects? | 03:11 |
| hongbin | fuxi is used by cindre? | 03:11 |
| mkrai | I am not sure | 03:11 |
| hongbin | cinder is a docker volume plugin | 03:11 |
| hongbin | sorry | 03:11 |
| hongbin | fuxi is a docker volume plugin | 03:12 |
| hongbin | when user create a data volume in docker api, docker call fuxi, fuxi calls cinder/manila | 03:12 |
| mkrai | Ok got it | 03:12 |
| hongbin | if fuxi is hte driver, the flow is zun->docker->fuxi->cinder | 03:12 |
| hongbin | if cinder is the driver, the flow is zun->cinder | 03:13 |
| mkrai | Ok so cinder can also be used by docker directly | 03:13 |
| mkrai | Right? | 03:13 |
| hongbin | no | 03:13 |
| hongbin | it needs be used via a driver , i.e. fuxi/flocker/rexray | 03:13 |
| hongbin | oh, if you mean the cinder driver in zun, then yes | 03:14 |
| mkrai | Yes | 03:14 |
| mkrai | I will read the spec for more clarity | 03:14 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:15 |
| hongbin | i guess that is all from me | 03:15 |
| Namrata | I will also traverse through the spec | 03:15 |
| hongbin | thx | 03:15 |
| hongbin | the last thing i want to bring up before ending the meeting | 03:15 |
| hongbin | we need a critical fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468961/ | 03:16 |
| hongbin | currently, we cannot use CLI to spin up a container, so we need this fix | 03:16 |
| mkrai | Ok I wil review this right now | 03:16 |
| hongbin | need both of you to review it :) | 03:16 |
| mkrai | sure | 03:16 |
| hongbin | thx | 03:16 |
| Namrata | yeah sure | 03:16 |
| Namrata | will review the same | 03:16 |
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| hongbin | ok, that is it | 03:16 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining the meeting today | 03:17 |
| Namrata | Thanks | 03:17 |
| mkrai | Thank you | 03:17 |
| hongbin | see you next time | 03:17 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 30 03:17:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-05-30-03.00.html | 03:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-05-30-03.00.txt | 03:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-05-30-03.00.log.html | 03:17 |
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| samP | Hi all for masakari | 04:00 |
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| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 30 04:00:54 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:00 |
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| samP | hi o/ | 04:01 |
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| rkmrHonjo | hi | 04:01 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: hi | 04:01 |
| samP | I haven't had enough time to change the agenda in wiki, just the date | 04:02 |
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| samP | seems like only few members are here.. | 04:02 |
| samP | Anyway lets start.. | 04:02 |
| samP | #topic critical bugs | 04:02 |
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| samP | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1690768 | 04:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1690768 in masakari "Notification status will be "error" if recovered instance was "resized"." [High,In progress] - Assigned to Dinesh Bhor (dinesh-bhor) | 04:03 |
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| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468770/ | 04:03 |
| samP | Thanks Dinesh ^^ | 04:04 |
| rkmrHonjo | I commented to the patch. It looks good to me. | 04:04 |
| abhishekk | Hi all, we are facing network issue in office | 04:04 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: OK thanks | 04:04 |
| rkmrHonjo | abhishekk: Hi | 04:04 |
| samP | abhishekk: NP | 04:04 |
| abhishekk | rkmrHonjo: hi | 04:05 |
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| abhishekk | my response might be slow as I am joining from mobile | 04:06 |
| abhishekk | Sorry for inconvenience | 04:06 |
| samP | abhishekk: NP, lets wait for a while... | 04:06 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo: Yesterday you told that you wants to discuss something about VM_Status and how to recover them. Is this related to Dines's fix? | 04:07 |
| samP | s/Dines/Dinesh | 04:08 |
| rkmrHonjo | I'd like to talk about https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1692435 . And the patch for that report is not pushed yet. | 04:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1692435 in masakari ""ERROR" instances will be unexpectedly changed to "ACTIVE" when host failure happenes" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Dinesh Bhor (dinesh-bhor) | 04:08 |
| rkmrHonjo | But, I think that we should decide the policy for instance's state. | 04:09 |
| rkmrHonjo | "Error" instance will be recovered as "ACTIVE" now. Is this correct or not? | 04:10 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: it is not correct | 04:10 |
| abhishekk | rkmrHonjo: as per new solution this instance will be stopped | 04:11 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: In my point of view masakari should not try to activate error instances | 04:11 |
| samP | For other states, https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1690768/comments/5 | 04:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1690768 in masakari "Notification status will be "error" if recovered instance was "resized"." [High,In progress] - Assigned to Dinesh Bhor (dinesh-bhor) | 04:11 |
| samP | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1690768/comments/5 | 04:12 |
| abhishekk | samP: rkmrHonjo: we are working on that and will push.patch today | 04:12 |
| samP | abhishekk: thanks | 04:12 |
| rkmrHonjo | abhishekk: thanks a lot. I'll review the patch. | 04:13 |
| abhishekk | Testing is complete, just some refactoring is required | 04:13 |
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| abhishekk | rkmrHonjo: thanks :) | 04:13 |
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| samP | sorry | 04:16 |
| samP | I was disconnected | 04:16 |
| rkmrHonjo | oh | 04:16 |
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| abhishekk | rkmrHonjo: samP: does it sound good that instance which are in error state will be stopped after evacuation? | 04:16 |
| samP | Any other bus to discuss? | 04:16 |
| rkmrHonjo | no | 04:17 |
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| samP | abhishekk: my worry is, VM will start before you stop it. | 04:17 |
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| abhishekk | Yes, that is true and we dont have any controll over that :( | 04:18 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: I think that we can't avoid the behaviour. | 04:19 |
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| samP | abhishekk: yep.. in current nova code, we cant | 04:19 |
| samP | However, does it make sense to stop after rebuild in evacuation? | 04:20 |
| samP | I mean, if the instance is in stopped state, then it will evacuate to stopped state. not for active state. right? | 04:21 |
| abhishekk | samP: yes | 04:21 |
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| samP | Therefore, we can consider 2 options, (1) stop it before evacuate, (2) evacuate to given VM state | 04:22 |
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| samP | In (1), I dont think we nova API can stop the instance and change its status to "stopped", with broken compute-node | 04:23 |
| samP | On the other hand, (2) needs to fix nova. | 04:24 |
| samP | matter of fact, need to fix nova for (1) also | 04:25 |
| abhishekk | samP: right, but I doubt nova will accept this | 04:25 |
| samP | abhishekk: I could understand the reason for (1) | 04:26 |
| samP | abhishekk: Do you think (2) also not acceptable for nova? | 04:26 |
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| abhishekk | samP: for 2 as well that is expected behavior from nova's point of view | 04:26 |
| samP | abhishekk: right..that may be the expected behavior... but not what we expect..:) | 04:28 |
| abhishekk | samP: nova is not allowing evacuation of instances which are having vm state other than active, error and stop | 04:28 |
| abhishekk | samP: :) | 04:28 |
| rkmrHonjo | Or, modify Reset State API? For example, cinder's Reset state API can change the status freely. | 04:29 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: I think in nova, we had this discussion... | 04:29 |
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| abhishekk | Because in case of resize it will be overhead to know to which flavor instance has resized and will require to perform whole action again | 04:31 |
| abhishekk | rkmrHonjo: this will also not acceptable because changing vm_state to resized or shelved does not make any sense | 04:32 |
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| rkmrHonjo | abhishekk: thank you for explaining. | 04:33 |
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| samP | abhishekk: thanks | 04:33 |
| samP | I could not find the like to previous discussion.. | 04:34 |
| samP | anyway.. | 04:34 |
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| samP | Let's think about this... for next week I will crate some details on etherpad for this. | 04:35 |
| abhishekk | Ok | 04:36 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: tahnks. | 04:36 |
| abhishekk | So can we push the patch or not | 04:36 |
| rkmrHonjo | s/tahnks/thanks/g | 04:36 |
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| abhishekk | Because in current patch we are stopping the instance after evacuation | 04:36 |
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| samP | abhishekk: you can push the patch, with current nova code we could not do nothing else | 04:37 |
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| abhishekk | samP: ok | 04:37 |
| samP | #action samP create doc for how to rescue in to stopped state | 04:38 |
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| samP | Any other bugs to discuss? | 04:38 |
| abhishekk | No | 04:39 |
| samP | if not, let go to Discussion points | 04:39 |
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| samP | #topic Discussion | 04:39 |
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| samP | abhishekk: thanks for update on recovery-method-customization | 04:40 |
| samP | I will review new changes | 04:40 |
| abhishekk | samP: ok | 04:40 |
| samP | Any updates on other topics? | 04:41 |
| abhishekk | For destructive testing we are checking rally-hooks | 04:41 |
| samP | abhishekk: thanks | 04:41 |
| abhishek_k | https://docs.openstack.org/developer/rally/plugins/implementation/hook_and_trigger_plugins.html#problem-description | 04:42 |
| abhishek_k | #link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/rally/plugins/implementation/hook_and_trigger_plugins.html#problem-description | 04:42 |
| samP | abhishekk: thanks.. (not directly related to masakari... right?) | 04:42 |
| abhishek_k | using rally_hooks it is possible to trigger some faults like restart rabbitmq, openstack services, mysql etc | 04:42 |
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| abhishek_k | samP: yes :) | 04:43 |
| abhishek_k | samP: sorry for mixing :) | 04:44 |
| samP | abhishek_k: Lets make a another place for destructive testing topics.. | 04:44 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: +1 | 04:44 |
| abhishek_k | samP: agree | 04:44 |
| sagara | agree | 04:44 |
| samP | abhishek_k: NP.. I will send a mail to ML. | 04:44 |
| abhishek_k | samP: yes | 04:44 |
| samP | so we can discuss how to proceed with that... | 04:45 |
| samP | sorry.. | 04:45 |
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| samP | abhishek_k: BTW, thank you for the work | 04:45 |
| abhishek_k | samP: thanks :) | 04:46 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: What kind of tag will be added to the mail? QA? | 04:46 |
| samP | from my side, Force Stonith | 04:46 |
| samP | ah.. | 04:46 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: It will be QA and LCOO | 04:46 |
| samP | from my side, Force Stonith is almost done. I will push it soon | 04:47 |
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| rkmrHonjo | samP: ok, I got it. | 04:47 |
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| samP | Other than that, I think no more updates on Pike work items | 04:47 |
| abhishek_k | samP: thank you, we will like to understand how it will work :) | 04:48 |
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| abhishek_k | samP: need to review doeumentation patch | 04:48 |
| samP | abhishek_k: thanks.. I will do that | 04:49 |
| abhishek_k | samP: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459516/ | 04:49 |
| abhishek_k | samP: thank you | 04:49 |
| samP | #action samP review documentation patch | 04:49 |
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| samP | if no other topics, lets move to AOB | 04:51 |
| samP | #topic AOB | 04:51 |
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| samP | Greg was trying to push new spec for Intrusive Instance Monitoring. | 04:52 |
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| samP | However, he was having some problems with git | 04:52 |
| samP | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg106194.html | 04:52 |
| samP | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg106186.html | 04:53 |
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| samP | I couldn't find any problem with spec repo side... | 04:53 |
| rkmrHonjo | I read that mail, but I have no idea why he failed. | 04:53 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | samP: me too | 04:54 |
| samP | me neither | 04:54 |
| samP | if you find some useful info, please let him know.. | 04:54 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: sure. | 04:55 |
| samP | may be rebase and do it again will do the trick | 04:55 |
| samP | lest wait for the replay.. | 04:55 |
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| samP | Any other topics? | 04:55 |
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| abhishek_k | samP: nothing from us | 04:56 |
| rkmrHonjo | no | 04:56 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Masakari PY27 job is failing right now. This patch unblocks it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468767/ It will be great if someone approves that. | 04:56 |
| sagara | Sorry, I have no.. | 04:56 |
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| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: done | 04:57 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | samP: thanks | 04:57 |
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| samP | Its almost time and let's finish the meeting here.. please bring other topics to ML or #openstack-masakari | 04:59 |
| samP | Thank you all | 04:59 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 04:59 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | thank you all | 04:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 04:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 30 04:59:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-05-30-04.00.html | 04:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-05-30-04.00.txt | 04:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-05-30-04.00.log.html | 04:59 |
| rkmrHonjo | thanks, bye. | 04:59 |
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| igordcard | #startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 30 14:01:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is igordcard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: network_common_flow_classifier)" | 14:01 | |
| igordcard | hi all | 14:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'network_common_flow_classifier' | 14:01 |
| davidsha | Hi | 14:01 |
| igordcard | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/CommonClassificationFramework#Discussion_Topic_30_May_2017 | 14:01 |
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| hai_shi | Hi | 14:02 |
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| igordcard | hi hai_shi | 14:02 |
| igordcard | hi davidsha | 14:02 |
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| igordcard | hai_shi: interested in the CCF? | 14:03 |
| bcafarel | hello | 14:03 |
| igordcard | hi bcafarel | 14:03 |
| igordcard | alright let's dive in | 14:04 |
| igordcard | #topic Closing the spec | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Closing the spec (Meeting topic: network_common_flow_classifier)" | 14:04 | |
| igordcard | the newly-submitted v16 spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993/16 | 14:04 |
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| igordcard | (neutron-specs is kinda broken, sphinx dependency has to be capped at <1.6.1, will probably submit a patch to fix it soon) | 14:05 |
| igordcard | anyway, we didn't have any critical issues or critical requests on the v15 spec | 14:06 |
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| igordcard | so I'd say we have enough agreement on the spec now and it can now be reviewed with the goal of merging | 14:06 |
| davidsha | ack | 14:06 |
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| igordcard | like I talked with kevinbenton at the summit, I will now request him to give rights to the neutron-classifier repo | 14:07 |
| igordcard | so we can start submitting and merging code | 14:07 |
| bcafarel | nice | 14:09 |
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| igordcard | this is it, really | 14:09 |
| igordcard | any questions? | 14:09 |
| davidsha | cool, I'm good. | 14:10 |
| igordcard | moving on... | 14:10 |
| igordcard | #topic Access to the repository | 14:10 |
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| igordcard | well I've kinda addressed this topic already | 14:10 |
| igordcard | going to ask for access to neutron-classifier, start commiting code and building the team from there | 14:11 |
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| igordcard | a first commit will "wipe" the existing neutron-classifier code | 14:11 |
| igordcard | moving on... | 14:11 |
| igordcard | #topic Open discussion | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: network_common_flow_classifier)" | 14:11 | |
| * bcafarel has his coffee ready for open discussion | 14:12 | |
| * igordcard was exactly wondering if everybody had their coffees ready | 14:12 | |
| davidsha | So the first commit is just to wipe the repo correct? | 14:12 |
| igordcard | davidsha: yep I think that's the safest | 14:13 |
| igordcard | davidsha: so we don't swim in the old code | 14:13 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: ack, I suppose a deprecation period isn't necessary because there has never been a release of classifier | 14:14 |
| igordcard | davidsha: exactly, as far as I understand it was a PoC | 14:14 |
| davidsha | kk | 14:14 |
| bcafarel | will the wipe pass the current gates for the repo? | 14:15 |
| igordcard | we got some inspiration from that PoC, and we've credited them in the spec, but with a whole new codebase for it, there's no point in keeping the old code laying around the new code | 14:15 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: Hopefully! | 14:16 |
| * igordcard removes the last comma | 14:16 | |
| igordcard | bcafarel: it might be a soft wipe, as in wipe everything PoC-specific, but keep what makes it an openstack repository | 14:16 |
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| bcafarel | igordcard: or even full wipe+cookiecutter, this should be enough for the generic gates | 14:18 |
| igordcard | bcafarel: yep I'm not the most familiar with cookiecutter (yet), but that sounds about right from what I've heard/seen | 14:18 |
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| * igordcard waves to reedip_ | 14:19 | |
| davidsha | Will we need to look into expanding the test cases in neutron-classifier as well through the governance repo? | 14:19 |
| reedip_ | hi | 14:19 |
| reedip_ | just joined in | 14:19 |
| reedip_ | traffic .... | 14:19 |
| davidsha | reedip_: hey | 14:19 |
| reedip_ | need to catch my breath | 14:20 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: for now the repo will be ungoverned so we can technically do whatever we want, but we should aim towards being compliant to then become neutron stadium or maybe neutron-lib | 14:20 |
| davidsha | ack | 14:21 |
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| igordcard | the effort required to make the ccf compliant, and to maintain it over time, has to be evaluated and we have to know who is willing to participate on that | 14:22 |
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| igordcard | but for now let's just get an initial version out, then work on 1 or 2 consumer PoCs | 14:22 |
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| davidsha | kk, I'll try to work out a QoS one, when I get the chance. | 14:23 |
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| bcafarel | and I still hope to find some time to do one for SFC | 14:25 |
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| igordcard | great, great | 14:25 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: sfc will be tricky won't it, you'll need to maintain support for the flow classifier plugin also correct? | 14:26 |
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| bcafarel | davidsha: indeed, I will probably try to parse the ccf first, then add local parameters (if any) | 14:27 |
| bcafarel | not sure if it will be the end method, but for a POC it would be enough | 14:28 |
| bcafarel | and for the demo only use ccf :) | 14:28 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: ack, make sure to link me in the patch! | 14:29 |
| bcafarel | davidsha: sure will :) | 14:30 |
| igordcard | hmm the flow classifier plugin isn't needed for the sake of being needed | 14:30 |
| igordcard | it's simply what the project has for defining traffic classifications | 14:30 |
| davidsha | igordcard: it would need to be deprecated over a release though. | 14:30 |
| igordcard | having said that, it should have a deprecation period | 14:31 |
| igordcard | yes | 14:31 |
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| igordcard | the main sfc API (including create-port-chain --flow-classifier UUID) could be kept completely unchanged | 14:31 |
| igordcard | but the UUID would internally come from a different source | 14:32 |
| igordcard | the problem is that the flow classifier API is also being used | 14:32 |
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| igordcard | bcafarel: maybe we could make the sfc plugin lookup classifications in both the flow classifier tables and in the CCF? and have the flow classifier API as deprecated | 14:33 |
| davidsha | igordcard: you could try with the flow classifier api and catch the exception if the ID doesn'thave a FC db entry. | 14:33 |
| davidsha | then try classifier. | 14:33 |
| igordcard | bcafarel: or change both APIs so that port-chain can choose either --flow-classifier or --classification-group, each would lookup in a different place | 14:33 |
| igordcard | davidsha: yeah also | 14:34 |
| bcafarel | hmm I like the general idea yes! | 14:34 |
| bcafarel | both cases that leaves the existing flow classifier alone, which is simpler | 14:35 |
| igordcard | but yeah for PoC is fine, the rest should be with the networking-sfc team and the neutron-lib experts | 14:35 |
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| igordcard | alright great people, I think this is it | 14:36 |
| igordcard | thanks for coming | 14:37 |
| davidsha | Thanks, cya! | 14:37 |
| igordcard | I'm going to pursue access to the repo now, cya in gerrit! | 14:37 |
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| bcafarel | next meeting, we have a repository? ;) | 14:37 |
| davidsha | +1 | 14:37 |
| igordcard | bcafarel: yesss | 14:37 |
| igordcard | #endmeeting | 14:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 30 14:38:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-05-30-14.01.html | 14:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-05-30-14.01.txt | 14:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-05-30-14.01.log.html | 14:38 |
| igordcard | +2 | 14:38 |
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| yuval | #startmeeting karbor | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 30 15:02:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yuval. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 15:02 |
| yuval | Hello everyone. Most of Karbor's contributors will not attend the meeting today because of holidays | 15:02 |
| yuval | If anyone would like to discuss, please say so in the next 5 minutes, otherwise I'll end the meeting | 15:02 |
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| yuval | #endmeeting | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:06 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 30 15:06:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-05-30-15.02.html | 15:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-05-30-15.02.txt | 15:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-05-30-15.02.log.html | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | sorry lost track of time | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | anyone to quickly discuss CI? | 16:02 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 16:02 |
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| ihrachys | ok | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 30 16:02:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:02 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Action items from prev meeting | 16:03 |
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| ihrachys | the last time was 3 weeks ago, that's a long time | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | first was: jlibosva to post a patch to disable port sec for trunk scenarios | 16:03 |
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| jlibosva | uh, I need to look into gerrit | 16:03 |
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| ihrachys | I see this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462227/ | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | oh, I did :) | 16:04 |
| jlibosva | yeah | 16:04 |
| jlibosva | jenkins voted -1 but it seems it's not related to the change | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | I see the test still fails | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | in scenarip | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | *scenario | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | for dvr | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | which suggests the patch hasn't helped? | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | or wasn't it an expectation that it will heal the failure? | 16:05 |
| jlibosva | yes, I hoped it will heal | 16:05 |
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| jlibosva | it seems that parent port didn't even get address from dhcp | 16:06 |
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| ihrachys | yeah | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | Failed to start Raise network interfaces | 16:07 |
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| ihrachys | that's in console log for the instance | 16:07 |
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| jlibosva | I'll investigate that | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | I guess we won't be able to get more data from inside the instance. the details are probably in journald. | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | ok great, let's move on | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to understand why instance failed to up networking in trunk conn test: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462227/ | 16:09 |
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| ihrachys | ok next is "jlibosva to talk to higher summit beings on python3 gate strategy for Pike" | 16:09 |
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| jlibosva | so there was a discussion regarding python3 goal | 16:10 |
| jlibosva | as part of the forum | 16:10 |
| jlibosva | the requirement is to have functional and integration test running python3 | 16:10 |
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| jlibosva | as there is a lack of overview where other projects stand in the transition, the goal I think slips into Queens | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | we talked with kevinbenton afterwards, and agreed that functional could be a good start because we control the pipeline there. | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | as for integration, it's harder because we depend on broader strategy. we can't really move independently there. | 16:12 |
| jlibosva | but I also briefly talked with kevinbenton about what tempest configuration makes most sense for us. to not consume gate resources, I think it makes sense to have at one tempest job | 16:12 |
| jlibosva | yeah, functional first, that's for sure | 16:13 |
| jlibosva | I was more wondering about the tempest configuratoin as neutron testing matrix is huge. So for tempest we'll go with multinode dvr - maybe +ha. The most complex scenario | 16:14 |
| haleyb | +1 to that | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | re ha: we don't have +ha anywhere. I would say that should be achieved first for py2 before we look to transit to py3. | 16:14 |
| jlibosva | that's why the "maybe" word. :) | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | ok. focus on functional for now, and we'll revisit tempest once closer to passing func. | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | I started py3 work for func | 16:15 |
| jlibosva | yep, I see you already started :) | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | there is now a experimental job for that | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | and we landed some fixes already | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | I think it's still ~150 failures right now. but a lot of them are identical | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | I would say, ~7 distinct failures probably | 16:16 |
| jlibosva | maybe we could fetch a list of failures and put them in sort of groups with similar failures | 16:16 |
| jlibosva | and split the failures among members | 16:16 |
| jlibosva | so we don't work on the same failure | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | this is the gerrit topic to use for py3 functional work: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:func-py3 | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, that would be nice, yes. who's up for the job? | 16:17 |
| jlibosva | I can take some failures | 16:17 |
| jlibosva | or you mean to fetch the list? | 16:17 |
| jlibosva | I can do that too | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | yeah, fetch and categorize | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | then we can spread the load | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | and ask others to help | 16:18 |
| jlibosva | ok, I'll make a list, on etherpad probably | 16:18 |
| haleyb | i should be able to take some as well | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to fetch and categorize functional py3 failures | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, nice, let's wait for the list and then see if we want to pull external help | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, thanks for handling it | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, please use the etherpad we had before | 16:19 |
| jlibosva | yeah, makes sense | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | I mean https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/py3-neutron-pike | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | ok, next item was organizational and handled so I will skip it | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | next is "jlibosva to report fullstack trunk failure bug once he has a reproducer" | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, you have stuff on your plate don't you?:) | 16:20 |
| * ihrachys recovers context on that one, sec | 16:20 | |
| jlibosva | so if I remember correctly - I suspected ovs to delete bridge | 16:20 |
| jlibosva | but then I realized fullstack runs in parallel and we don't have isolation of ovsdb data between fullstack ovs-agents | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | this is the context: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-05-02-16.01.log.html#l-122 | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | that's another trunk failure, now in fullstack | 16:22 |
| jlibosva | which means - all ovs-agents running in fullstack will start processing all trunk ports | 16:22 |
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| ihrachys | hm. will they irrespective of l2 extension being on? | 16:23 |
| jlibosva | and once trunk port is deleted, whoever gets the notification first from ip monitor will remove also the trunk bridge. As only one server is the source of truth, other servers will say they don't know this trunk | 16:23 |
| jlibosva | as a consequence it leaves subport patch ports between br-int and trunk-bridge | 16:23 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: can you explain? | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | oh sorry. you mean two ovs agents running in scope of the same test case? | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | not cross test race? | 16:24 |
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| jlibosva | cross test race | 16:25 |
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| jlibosva | in case we have two agents in the same test, both agents will think they handle the trunk .. so they get correct information from server | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | hm. how does the agent detect removal? independently of server? | 16:26 |
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| jlibosva | yep, it gets events from ip monitor that tap device was removed and will start processing trunk removal | 16:26 |
| jlibosva | since all agents use the same ovsdb, all of them will get this event and start processing | 16:26 |
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| ihrachys | aha. and all of them monitor the same thing. | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | makes sense | 16:27 |
| jlibosva | there were attempts in the past to have multiple ovsdb running but it didn't go well | 16:27 |
| jlibosva | I don't know any details though | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | it may make sense to talk to ovn/ovs folks, they should know better. | 16:28 |
| jlibosva | ovs devs said ovsdb has never been designed to run with other ovsdb process on the same node | 16:28 |
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| ihrachys | I would start with reporting a bug and collecting ideas from ovs folks. | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | if nothing else, maybe we can somehow tell agents to handle their own devices only (like passing a prefix for devices) | 16:29 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, what's the next step? | 16:30 |
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| jlibosva | ihrachys: I was thinking about hacked l2 agent for fullstack that would react only on its resources. But I don't like the idea that we have hacked agents (we already have l3 and dhcp). In the end we end up testing hacked neutron but not neutron | 16:31 |
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| jlibosva | I also vaguely remember otherwiseguy saying something about having ovsdb events per agent. I'll need to talk to him | 16:32 |
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| ihrachys | yeah, but if we are limited by ovs, we can make a workaround. ofc first thing would be asking for alternatives/experimenting with isolated ovsdb. | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to talk to otherwiseguy about isolating ovsdb/ovs agent per fullstack 'machine' | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | I guess we covered all items from the prev meeting | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | #topic Grafana | 16:34 |
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| ihrachys | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | I don't see anything horrific there | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | just scenarios and fullstack failing for reasons already discussed (all trunk) | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | functional job stays stable despite gating. | 16:35 |
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| jlibosva | there was a functional pike yesterday | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | ofc sometimes it flickers but not a lot | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | gate or check? | 16:35 |
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| jlibosva | check | 16:35 |
| jlibosva | let me check the gate | 16:35 |
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| ihrachys | hm yeah I see it 30% yesterday. do we have an idea? | 16:36 |
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| jlibosva | I didn't look at failures. Also the gate has some kind of pike. makes sense as gate won't get triggered if check is busted | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | I actually see one failure that doesn't seem neutron specific. like: | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | http://logs.openstack.org/33/468833/2/check/gate-neutron-dsvm-functional-ubuntu-xenial/dccf45b/console.html#_2017-05-30_13_28_43_886898 | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | and I saw that in the past | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | for some reason mostly in functional job. | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | I believe there was some infra issue with shade that infra tackled the prev week. could be a fallout. | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | the reason why it hits functional job can be because of how we (ab)use devstack to deploy rootwrap/deps in the job. | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | still would make sense to have a look closer. | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | I will take it | 16:39 |
| clarkb | ihrachys: I don't think that it is related to shade. Since that is devstack checking the local machine to determine its IP | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to understand why functional job spiked on weekend | 16:39 |
| clarkb | ihrachys: that looks like a bug in devstack unable to handle the ip ranges in citycloud. I can poke a bit more | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | clarkb, in regular devstack-gate runs, do we preconfigure the IP in localrc? | 16:39 |
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| clarkb | ihrachys: I think we may. Though someone wanted to stop doing it | 16:40 |
| ihrachys | ok. maybe this logic is not triggered in regular jobs and hence doesn't bother other projects. I will poke clarkb once I have a grasp of impact and read d-g. | 16:40 |
| ihrachys | clarkb, citycloud, is it something new? | 16:41 |
| clarkb | yes it is a new cloud we are running jobs in | 16:42 |
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| clarkb | with 4 regions | 16:42 |
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| ihrachys | ok | 16:44 |
| ihrachys | #topic Gate setup | 16:45 |
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| ihrachys | I was looking at the jobs that we have in check queue lately | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | f.e. see in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468056/ | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | and I see a lot of -nv jobs | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | I wonder if we need them all. | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | for one, what's gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-identity-v3-only-full-ubuntu-xenial-nv ? | 16:46 |
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| ihrachys | hasn't we enabled v3 in gate for other jobs? | 16:46 |
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| clarkb | ihrachys: yes I think devstack is v3 by default now, so we can likely drop those identity-v3 jobs acorss the board. Double check with keystone and qa ? | 16:47 |
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| ihrachys | clarkb, thanks for the info. I will check. | 16:48 |
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| ihrachys | then there is gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-ha-multinode-full-ubuntu-xenial-nv that seems passing (not sure how stable it is) | 16:48 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: i think that's the one i just added | 16:48 |
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| ihrachys | hm nice. so you are monitoring it? | 16:49 |
| haleyb | yes, i've been watching, it generally rises and falls with all the other jobs | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, what's your plan re this job? will it replace any existing ones? | 16:50 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: it replaced another one, basically swapped it to the experimental queue | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | yeah but I mean, will it be promoted to voting (replacing something?) | 16:51 |
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| haleyb | it should be able to replace the dvr-multinode tempest job if the failure rates are equal, i will look how it's behaved recently | 16:52 |
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| ihrachys | cool | 16:53 |
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| ihrachys | yeah I think dvr-multinode are good candidates. | 16:54 |
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| ihrachys | #action haleyb to monitor dvr+ha job and maybe replace existing dvr-multinode | 16:54 |
| haleyb | i don't know what the multinode-full job difference is, so there might be multiple overlaps | 16:54 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to talk to qa/keystone and maybe remove v3-only job | 16:54 |
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| clarkb | haleyb: the regular multinode-full job is going to run the full tempest suite against multinode setup without dvr | 16:55 |
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| clarkb | haleyb: in that case controller node is also a network node and all things terminate there | 16:56 |
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| clarkb | assuming dvr works with live migration we can likely drop non dvr multinode everywhere as its definitely not as interesting as the dvr multinode case I think | 16:56 |
| haleyb | so i guess we have to keep that non-dvr job then, but for the rest might as well have all the moving parts | 16:57 |
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| ihrachys | I feel there is some scoping/writing up to do. the set of l3 job flavours becomes hard to comprehend. | 16:57 |
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| ihrachys | once we would have the scope, we could bring it to wider team to see what we can afford to drop | 16:58 |
| haleyb | yes, i will track down all the settings, perhaps something like the single-node one can go away in favor of the multinode (non-dvr), for example | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | one can argue both ways - either that legacy mode should stay covered, or that dvr only should stay (in addition to the new dvr/ha) | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, afaik single node was a requirement for integrated gate in the past, but maybe now that we have multinode, it can go away. | 16:59 |
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| ihrachys | ok we are at the top of the hour | 16:59 |
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| ihrachys | #action haleyb to analyze all the l3 job flavours in gate/check queues and see where we could trim | 17:00 |
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| ihrachys | thanks folks | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| jlibosva | thanks, bye \o | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 30 17:00:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-05-30-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-05-30-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-05-30-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 30 18:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius | 18:00 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:00 |
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| lbragstad | how is everyone? | 18:00 |
| edmondsw | o/ | 18:00 |
| raildo | o/ | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | weekend was too short | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | hi all | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo: ++ | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | gagehugo: need more? :) | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | samueldmq it would be nice | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | #topic announcements | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | #info spec freeze is next week | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | for reference this is what we have committed for specs this release | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/keystone-specs/ | 18:02 |
| knikolla_phone | O/ | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | we have several others in review - so this week is our last week for the final push without requiring a spec freeze exception | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | does anyone have questions on specs that have been merged or are in flight? | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | we will need reviews on the unified limits spec | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455709/ | 18:04 |
| ayoung | kill it | 18:04 |
| ayoung | impossible to implement | 18:05 |
| ayoung | will cause world famine | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | we also have the API key/application specific password one in flight yet | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | #link | 18:05 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450415/ | 18:05 |
| ayoung | http://adam.younglogic.com/2017/05/why-quotas-are-hard/ | 18:06 |
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| lbragstad | that's about all i have for specs | 18:07 |
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| hrybacki | crickets love specs | 18:07 |
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| lbragstad | #topic outreachy program starts today | 18:08 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: api-key + limits? | 18:08 |
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| ayoung | so we are punting on RBAC in middleware? | 18:08 |
| samueldmq | there is also the policy ones correct, I saw you have a few outlining that | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: two of those are general documents | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: that don't really tie to any work | 18:09 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: neat | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: the third is the one that would require some work for us, but i realize it's late | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | as far as the RBAC in middleware - we're missing feedback from other projects | 18:10 |
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| lbragstad | unless johnthetubaguy is around? | 18:11 |
| ayoung | you are never going to get it | 18:12 |
| ayoung | once people understand a problem, they jump right to implementing their own, service specific solution | 18:12 |
| ayoung | best to just leave them out of it and solve the problem for them | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: let come back to this in open discussion | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | rodrigods: o/ | 18:13 |
| rodrigods | hey everyone | 18:13 |
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| rodrigods | so the new round for the outreachy program starts today | 18:13 |
| rodrigods | and we have an awesome intern, lwanderley | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | sweet! | 18:13 |
| lwanderley | hi, everyone :) | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | lwanderley: o/ | 18:14 |
| rodrigods | she will be working in the LDAP integration tests | 18:14 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:14 |
| knikolla | lwanderley: o/ | 18:14 |
| samueldmq | lwanderley: welcome aboard | 18:14 |
| rodrigods | finally addressing this for us | 18:14 |
| hrybacki | can we get context -- one liner on the outreachy program (sorry if everyone else already knows) | 18:14 |
| gagehugo | lwanderly o/ | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | hrybacki: ++ good question | 18:14 |
| samueldmq | that's great, also remember we have sjain who will be working on docs | 18:14 |
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| raildo | hrybacki, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Outreachy | 18:15 |
| rodrigods | me and raildo are going to mentor her in the project | 18:15 |
| knikolla | rodrigods: have we decided what ldap backend we're using for the integration tests? | 18:15 |
| samueldmq | #link https://gnome.org/outreachy/ | 18:15 |
| hrybacki | ahh, wonderful. Thanks raildo rodrigods | 18:15 |
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| raildo | hrybacki, it's an intern program from OpenStack and other Open Source projects :) | 18:15 |
| rodrigods | knikolla, open ldap for now (it is the current plugin devstack provides) | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | rodrigods: lwanderley the openstack-ansible folks are looking to do something similar for their gate | 18:16 |
| rodrigods | lbragstad, awesome | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | (standup keystone with open ldap to test with) | 18:16 |
| samueldmq | devstack does support setting up ldap to a certain degree, doesn't it ? | 18:16 |
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| rodrigods | the project is a really cross-project effort and will involve lots work in keystone, devstack and possibly tempest | 18:16 |
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| lbragstad | it might be worthwhile to check in with that group | 18:17 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, it did at one point | 18:17 |
| knikolla | samueldmq: yes. anybody confirms that it still works? i don't think that piece of code has been touched in over a year. | 18:17 |
| rodrigods | knikolla, it is currently broken | 18:17 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: ah cool, I had the impression there was something in there (not sure it worked) | 18:17 |
| rodrigods | will be lwanderley first task to fix it :) | 18:17 |
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| lbragstad | looks like the library is still there - https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/dec121114c3ea6f9e515a452700e5015d1e34704/lib/ldap | 18:18 |
| knikolla | rodrigods: ok, cool! | 18:18 |
| knikolla | lwanderley: good luck | 18:18 |
| ayoung | should be set up as part of the keystone gate job if we don't want it to break again | 18:18 |
| rodrigods | ayoung, absolutely | 18:18 |
| raildo | ayoung, ++ | 18:18 |
| rodrigods | that's the idea | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: that's exactly what openstack ansible wanted to help us with during the PTG in Atlanta | 18:18 |
| knikolla | rodrigods: still leaving the code in devstack, or splitting it out as part of our devstack plugin? | 18:19 |
| ayoung | fix the devstack one first | 18:19 |
| ayoung | always work from success | 18:19 |
| ayoung | move it to Keystone as step 2 | 18:19 |
| rodrigods | knikolla, what ayoung said :) | 18:19 |
| knikolla | +1 | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | fwiw - we will be splitting out our tempest plugin into it's own repository next release https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/queens/split-tempest-plugins.html | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/queens/split-tempest-plugins.html | 18:19 |
| rodrigods | lbragstad, ++ | 18:20 |
| raildo | ayoung, should be a mentor with us, haha | 18:20 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: that's great | 18:20 |
| ayoung | raildo, Qui ducis super ducis? | 18:20 |
| ayoung | Qui docent doctores? | 18:21 |
| ayoung | meh | 18:21 |
| ayoung | Who mentors the mentors? | 18:21 |
| knikolla | it's turtles… ehmm… mentors all the way down | 18:22 |
| ayoung | https://aptira.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/openstack_keystone-1.png | 18:22 |
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| lbragstad | rodrigods: raildo lwanderley don't hesitate to ping me if you need anything | 18:23 |
| raildo | lbragstad, thanks :) | 18:23 |
| rodrigods | be certain that we will | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | rodrigods: cool, anything else on the outreachy front? | 18:23 |
| lwanderley | lbragstad: thanks :D | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | lwanderley: thanks helping out! | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | thanks for* | 18:24 |
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| rodrigods | heh | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | moving on | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 18:24 |
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| lbragstad | floor is open | 18:24 |
| clarkb | I'm trying to go through e-r's uncategorized bugs and classify them today and ran across an itneresting thing with grenade + keystone | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | clarkb: o/ | 18:26 |
| clarkb | tempest times out to keystone logged at http://logs.openstack.org/36/458636/16/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-ubuntu-xenial/5f07eaa/logs/tempest.txt.gz?level=DEBUG#_2017-05-23_19_00_51_098 | 18:26 |
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| clarkb | then in the keystone log we find that that user isn't found http://logs.openstack.org/36/458636/16/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-ubuntu-xenial/5f07eaa/logs/apache/keystone.txt.gz?level=WARNING#_2017-05-23_19_01_18_408 | 18:26 |
| clarkb | possible upgrade/migration bug? | 18:26 |
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| clarkb | in any case would be good if keystone could look into it a bit more | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | clarkb: cool - is there a current bug open? | 18:27 |
| clarkb | no thats as far as I have gotten | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | ok | 18:27 |
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| lbragstad | is anyone interested in taking a poke at this? | 18:28 |
| ayoung | nope | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | So, back to my question | 18:29 |
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| lbragstad | clarkb: i'll set aside some time later to look into it. I'll probably open a bug to track stuff for now though | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | is Keystone abdicating its responsibity to implement a reasonable RBAC solution? | 18:30 |
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| lbragstad | clarkb: but thanks for bringing this to us | 18:30 |
| ayoung | Do we really have an obligation to do any more begging for feedback from people that have shown they do not care? | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: no | 18:30 |
| ayoung | OK, then approve the dang spec. | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | several folks have expressed concerns with the approach | 18:31 |
| ayoung | Or provide a better viable spec | 18:31 |
| morgan | providing actionable requests is important | 18:31 |
| morgan | if the concerns are actually blocking the approval | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | and it's something that impacts projects, getting their opinion and buy in is important if the approach is going to be successful | 18:32 |
| morgan | if they are "I dunno, this looks wrong", we can't hold things up on that | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | i know i had concerns on the upgrade approach | 18:32 |
| ayoung | they have built broken policy based on Keystone not providing the appropriate tools | 18:32 |
| ayoung | we need to fix 968696 | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | sure | 18:32 |
| ayoung | and we need RBAC in middleware | 18:32 |
| morgan | as long as they are actionable "hey, upgrade needs to be more clear because X, how dow e do that" | 18:32 |
| morgan | that is reasonable | 18:32 |
| ayoung | and both have been laid out | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | two separate but related things | 18:32 |
| ayoung | and both are sitting there | 18:32 |
| morgan | and we should demand improvement to the spec. | 18:33 |
| morgan | but again if it is "i don' | 18:33 |
| morgan | t like this" or #bikeshed | 18:33 |
| morgan | i'll support approving as long as the main concerns that are actionable are addressed/not still an issue | 18:33 |
| morgan | ayoung: is that fair? | 18:33 |
| morgan | lbragstad: ^ same question to you | 18:34 |
| lbragstad | There was a ton of feedback on the spec after it merged | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391624/ | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | I'd like to make sure those things are addressed, along with the upgrade case | 18:35 |
| morgan | that souinds pretty specific/directed | 18:35 |
| morgan | especially the questions on the upgrade case(s) | 18:35 |
| ayoung | upgrade was answered several times | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: where? | 18:36 |
| edmondsw | I remember being upset when it merged because a bunch of comments hadn't been addressed yet | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | what happens if a project changes a policy and upgrades | 18:36 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, in the weekly policuy discussion, and with an update doc | 18:36 |
| edmondsw | so it's not just post-merge comments | 18:36 |
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| ayoung | we need a better way to do new development | 18:37 |
| ayoung | this is not workable | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | the default route? | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | which is in keystone database | 18:37 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, I think I can link directly... | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | could be completely different from the default registered in a service | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | there is nothing keeping the two defaults in sync | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | if new policies are added to the service (which are added to the default policies in code) how do we ensure those are added to keystone new API for storing all that data? | 18:39 |
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| lbragstad | I can't see how that is going to be pleasant for operators to handle anyway I look at it (but I'll defer to operator opinion here, too) | 18:40 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, short answer is, we start by defaulting to services continue to enforce "Admin required" in policy. Default rule would be "Member". Once we can clean up Admin in policy, we make the default rule "Admin" | 18:40 |
| ayoung | and I know I added that to the doc.... | 18:40 |
| ayoung | Ah...but I'm l;ooking at the old review...one sec | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | Does the address the upgrade case? | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | A lot of projects want to move towards fixing or improving default roles (introducing roles that make sense) | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | we're going into this knowing that those changes are coming down the pipe | 18:42 |
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| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452198/8/specs/keystone/pike/role-check-from-middleware.rst line 537 or so | 18:43 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung: yes - sure | 18:44 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung: but again, that's a blanket default that can be inconsistent from the default the service or project has implemented | 18:44 |
| ayoung | If anyone touches Default roles without being a regular attendee of the Policy meetings they are in a state of sin | 18:44 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, no | 18:44 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, projects no longer get to say anything about roles | 18:45 |
| ayoung | the role data is not their to touch | 18:45 |
| ayoung | there is exactly one role they can depend on | 18:45 |
| ayoung | and that is admin | 18:45 |
| ayoung | the rest of it is data managed in the keystone database, and can be a huge array of anything | 18:46 |
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| lbragstad | that goes back to my cross-project communication bits, i don't see signoff for any of that | 18:47 |
| ayoung | This is what Keystone is supposed to do. I'm willing to entertain alternate approaches to solve it, but solutions need to be applicable across all the projects. | 18:47 |
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| ayoung | nova does not get to Veto | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: have you talked to the other core services yet? | 18:48 |
| ayoung | yes | 18:48 |
| ayoung | endlessly | 18:48 |
| ayoung | for years | 18:48 |
| ayoung | including recently | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: about *this* specifically | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | how this affects them | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | and what this means for their project | 18:48 |
| ayoung | you mean beside scheduling a full session about it at the Openstack summit and have it filled with Keystone plus 1 or 2 others? | 18:49 |
| ayoung | You mean other than all the effort you know I have put in to this? | 18:49 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung: I'm not questioning your effort, i'm looking for buy in from the other projects that this won't be another failed attempt | 18:50 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, this will not be a failed attempt because it bypasses their approval | 18:50 |
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| ayoung | it does in middleware what it should be doing./ | 18:50 |
| ayoung | Note sdagues comment on the 968696 wtyuff... | 18:50 |
| ayoung | "so, I don't really understand why we would leak through this implementation detail on is_admin_project to Nova instead of having keystonemiddleware and oslo.context process the abstraction for us." | 18:51 |
| ayoung | they want the solution to be in middleware | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | if we could solve 968696 in middleware, they would be happier | 18:51 |
| ayoung | and so would I | 18:51 |
| ayoung | why, then, should we shirk our responsibilituy on RBAC | 18:52 |
| ayoung | which is totally a Keystone Kreation? | 18:52 |
| ayoung | referenced comments here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384148/ | 18:53 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung: what sdague is saying there is why don't we have oslo.context process the is_admin_project bits for us, not do the middleware role check | 18:54 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, please give me more credit than that, and more closely read what I wrote. | 18:55 |
| ayoung | I know exactly what he was asking for there. And I was explicitly extrapolating. | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: the reason why i say that is because he left the same response here - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/117534.html | 18:55 |
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| ayoung | regardless of what we call it, policy needs to know about it at the scope check level | 18:56 |
| ayoung | we could call it godmode and it would make no difference | 18:56 |
| ayoung | it can't be done in middleware | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: regardless - i can take an action item to follow up with him to get clarification | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | because it sounds like we're talking about two different interpretations | 18:57 |
| ayoung | go for it | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to follow up with sdague about comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384148/ | 18:57 |
| ayoung | I'm done. I'm going to let you drive this. | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | alright - we have a couple minutes left | 18:58 |
| ayoung | Call me if you need clarification | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | anyone else have anything? | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: will do, thanks | 18:58 |
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| hrybacki | looks like that's it | 18:59 |
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| lbragstad | yep - thanks for coming | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 30 18:59:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-05-30-18.00.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-05-30-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-05-30-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
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| fungi | cc infra-team.c -Wall -ansi -lmeeting -o now | 19:00 |
| fungi | action items and topics courtesy of bkero and pabelanger | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | hello | 19:01 |
| bkero | o/ | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:01 |
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| ianw | -funroll-loops | 19:01 |
| * fungi refreshes the agenda looking for any last-minute additions | 19:01 | |
| fungi | -fruit-rollups | 19:02 |
| ianw | so we're done faster | 19:02 |
| jeblair | can we distcc and just use the cache from last time? | 19:02 |
| bkero | -fomit-instructions # what are we doing here? | 19:02 |
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| fungi | jeblair: that's basically what i do by copying a meeting template ;) | 19:02 |
| fungi | okay, let's get compiling | 19:03 |
| pabelanger | distcc saved me when I was doing a bunch of work on an embedded powerpc box. Mac G4 FTW | 19:03 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 30 19:03:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| fungi | #info OpenStack general mailing list archives from Launchpad (July 2010 to July 2013) have been imported into the current general archive on lists.openstack.org. | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/ OpenStack general mailing list archives | 19:03 |
| fungi | as always, feel free to hit me up with announcements you want included in future meetings | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-05-23-19.02.html Minutes from last meeting | 19:04 |
| fungi | bkero draft an upgrade plan for lists.o.o to xenial | 19:04 |
| fungi | i saw you talking about this a lot last week in #openstack-infra | 19:04 |
| fungi | have you firmed up any thoughts about it yet? | 19:04 |
| fungi | got a new etherpad you can #link? | 19:04 |
| bkero | Yes, I took the snapshot and did the update similar to the precise -> trusty update. The update went about as expected with the new version serving the content. | 19:04 |
| bkero | I haven't had it send any test emails yet, I'll need to crete some mailman accounts/admins to be able to do that. | 19:05 |
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| fungi | i saw one hiccup where the data was somewhere other than where teh package expected it? did that get sorted out? | 19:05 |
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| bkero | The lockfile directory didn't exist was the problem with that. I haven't nailed down the reason yet, although the service was running. | 19:06 |
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| bkero | We could manually create it root:mailman with 2775, although I'd prefer to have that handled by the package. Maybe --reinstall will create it for us. | 19:06 |
| fungi | could have to do with how we disabled services before taking the snapshot maybe? | 19:06 |
| * fungi is grasping at straws | 19:06 | |
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| bkero | The dir is created by the package, although maybe with an upgrade something is different | 19:07 |
| clarkb | but it existed on the lists.o.o server | 19:07 |
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| bkero | It likely existed on the snapshot before do-release-upgrade-ing as well | 19:07 |
| fungi | so something cleaned it up... is it in a directory which doesn't persist between boots (e.g., /var/run)? | 19:07 |
| bkero | jeblair had the theory that systemd manages /var/run and clobbered it for us | 19:07 |
| jeblair | yeah, it doesn't persist across reboots. normally the init script makes it when starting mm. | 19:08 |
| fungi | yeah, i wouldn't be surprised (not actually bashing systemd here) | 19:08 |
| jeblair | so only a problem if you upgrade a system which had not run the program since boot. | 19:08 |
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| fungi | right, that is teh sort of direction i was going as well | 19:09 |
| pabelanger | seems to make sense | 19:09 |
| fungi | okay, i guess let's do what we can to test and maybe next week get a topic on the agenda to discuss a time to roll forward with the production upgrade window assuming it seems viable? | 19:09 |
| bkero | Sounds good to me | 19:10 |
| jeblair | ++ | 19:10 |
| fungi | we probably don't need quite so long of an outage as we took for precise->trusty since we're not doing the filesystem conversion as part of the maintenance again | 19:10 |
| bkero | For a trail, things done on the snapshot for the update are listed on the trusty etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lists.o.o-trusty-upgrade | 19:10 |
| bkero | Under "Things done on snapshot:". Should likely be moved to a new etherpad. | 19:11 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lists.o.o-trusty-upgrade has notes about the xenial upgrade for now | 19:11 |
| clarkb | might be nice to have an etherpad for xenial upgrade without the unneeded noise from the trusty upgrade | 19:11 |
| clarkb | just to make it clear when reviewing/executing | 19:11 |
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| fungi | agreed. also if we can get some rough runtime estimates for things like the system package upgrading step, that will help inform our maintenance duration for the announcement | 19:12 |
| bkero | Good point. For that I might need another snapshot to time the tasks. | 19:12 |
| fungi | just give one of us a heads up in #openstack-infra when you're ready for another instance booted from the original snapshot | 19:13 |
| fungi | shouldn't need a new snapshot, just a new instance | 19:13 |
| fungi | anyway... thanks bkero, jeblair, clarkb and everyone else who has helped with this so far. sounds like excellent progress | 19:14 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:14 |
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| fungi | #info APPROVED: "Nodepool Drivers" spec | 19:14 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/nodepool-drivers.html "Nodepool Drivers" spec | 19:14 |
| pabelanger | great | 19:14 |
| jeblair | yay! tristanC started hacking on this too | 19:14 |
| fungi | this reminds me, we should consider adding a help-wanted section to the specs page where we keep specs that have no assignee (yet) | 19:15 |
| fungi | though in this case it's getting picked up fairly quickly | 19:15 |
| jeblair | fungi: good idea | 19:15 |
| fungi | #action fungi propose a help-wanted section to our specs index for unassigned specs | 19:15 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:16 |
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| fungi | nothing called out specifically here, though the spec approved above is closely related to the "Zuul v3" priority | 19:16 |
| fungi | #topic Use ansible for zuulv3.openstack.org (pabelanger) | 19:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Use ansible for zuulv3.openstack.org (pabelanger) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:17 | |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/468113 WIP: Use ansible for zuulv3.openstack.org | 19:17 |
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| pabelanger | hello | 19:17 |
| fungi | a nice segue from the zuul v3 priority too ;) | 19:17 |
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| pabelanger | I wanted to get the pulse of people and see if running puppet to bootstrap a server, then have ansible take over as cfgmgmt on the server | 19:17 |
| pabelanger | I know we cannot hard cut over today, but wanted to see if dual stack make sense | 19:17 |
| fungi | that's definitely new territory | 19:17 |
| fungi | in the past we've considered puppet good at configuration management (and mediocre at orchestration/automation) while ansible was held up as sort of the reverse of that | 19:18 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: by bootstrap, do you mean users/mta/dns/iptables/etc? | 19:18 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: yes, template::server.pp today is still puppet | 19:18 |
| clarkb | my only real concern with this is that there seems to be the thoguht that using ansible will fix the config management issues with the zuulv3 deployment. I think the real issues are independent of puppet/ansible (lack of reporting, slow turn around in application loop, etc) and personally feel effort would be better spent on addressing those problems. But I don't have much time to address either so | 19:18 |
| clarkb | won't get in the way | 19:19 |
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| fungi | i will admit to being pretty uninformed on the current state of ansible as an idempotent/declarative configuration management solution | 19:19 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: (if so, i'd assume you'd want puppot to continue doing that -- so i think it's more both puppet and ansible both cfg-mangaging, just different areas of the system) | 19:19 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i don't think this is intended to "fix the config management issues with the zuulv3 deployment" ? | 19:19 |
| clarkb | jeblair: that was the impression I got from the discussion in #zuul the other day | 19:20 |
| jeblair | huh, not what i got | 19:20 |
| clarkb | it was basically "the puppet doesn't work and no one is updating it, lets just delete it" | 19:20 |
| jeblair | i thought this was pabelanger likes writing ansible more than puppet. | 19:20 |
| jeblair | again, not what i got at all | 19:20 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: Well, that phase, user/mta/dns/iptables is a larger change, since it affects more then 1 server. But I think we could do ansible for the long term. But currently, logic is the only shared code between our servers. I think having that as puppet then ability to run ansible after might be a go step to migrating | 19:20 |
| fungi | i think i missed the discussion. what the current wip change could certainly benefit from is rationale in the commit message | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | zuulv3 puppet will be no more complex than zuulv2 puppet which works just fine | 19:20 |
| fungi | it does more to describe the what without really addressing the why | 19:21 |
| pabelanger | right, I am writing way more ansible the puppet today. That doesn't mean we can upgrade puppet-zuul to support zuulv3. | 19:21 |
| jeblair | the only complication is if we want the same thing to support v2 and v3. but that has nothing to do with the language. you could make that as "easy" by just not supporting both in puppet | 19:21 |
| pabelanger | Personally, I am hoping to support a 3rd party CI system in all ansible. To provide another option to puppet-openstackci | 19:22 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: the argument I heard was puppet was in the way and ansible would fix the problems. I just think the problems aren't really due to puppet (like lack of reporting, difficulty of local deployment, and slow turnaround in production) | 19:22 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: okay, that's not what pabelanger just said | 19:22 |
| clarkb | I'm fine with using either tool. I just think we are better served fixing those problems before changing tooling | 19:22 |
| jeblair | clarkb: what problems? | 19:22 |
| jeblair | clarkb: what does "lack of reporting" mean? | 19:23 |
| clarkb | jeblair: lack of reporting, slow turnaround in production, and difficulting of local deployment | 19:23 |
| clarkb | jeblair: people making changes to puppet do not know if/when/how their things get applied | 19:23 |
| jeblair | yes you have said that 3 times, and i still don't know what those mean | 19:23 |
| clarkb | which will also be true should we use ansible | 19:23 |
| fungi | lack of reporting from the puppet apply invocation? | 19:23 |
| clarkb | fungi: yes and generally where the ansible loop is "eg do I just need to wait longer" | 19:24 |
| jeblair | ara may help with that | 19:24 |
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| pabelanger | I'd like to get ARA working, but I think we need to do some dev to support our scale | 19:24 |
| jeblair | is anyone working on setting up ara for "puppetmaster" ? | 19:24 |
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| pabelanger | I have looked at it | 19:24 |
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| jeblair | that would, at the very least, get us back to "last run timestamp" level of reporting | 19:25 |
| pabelanger | Agree, I can first set that up if it is a requirement | 19:25 |
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| fungi | and success/fail output | 19:25 |
| jeblair | ya | 19:25 |
| jeblair | clarkb: slow turnaround in production? | 19:25 |
| clarkb | jeblair: it sometimes takes an hour for a config change to get applied | 19:25 |
| clarkb | jeblair: even though we in theory run every 15 minutes | 19:26 |
| fungi | the time between run_all.sh loops? | 19:26 |
| clarkb | (and sometimes longer if ansible has gone out to lunch) | 19:26 |
| fungi | aha | 19:26 |
| mordred | jeblair: fwiw, I thnk cloudnull uses ara for managing openstack clouds - so it might not be too bad for our scale | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | fungi: ya | 19:26 |
| clarkb | jeblair: basically slow turnaround makes it really hard for people to be around and address config changes more iteratively | 19:26 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: gotcha. we might be able to do some refactoring now, but we can also consider having zuulv3 drive more specific tasks once it's ready. | 19:27 |
| mordred | yah- I think some of that time issue stems from the fact that we're treating it as one single loop - my understanding of how people recommend running things in more ansible-ish ways are to have playbooks broken out a bit more, so that applying an update to system A doesn't depend on applying an update to system b | 19:27 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:27 |
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| mordred | (specific tasks) | 19:28 |
| fungi | and maybe we can find some way to be more selective about when we do targeted puppet apply for servers impacted by a specific change vs full runs | 19:28 |
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| pabelanger | agree, I think we could debug the execution more too. I know I haven't tried to see why things are slow on puppetmaster | 19:28 |
| clarkb | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23zuul/%23zuul.2017-05-25.log.html#t2017-05-25T16:52:03 is why I have/had the impression I did re using ansible | 19:28 |
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| clarkb | and I just think if we are going to say config management isn't working for us those ~3 reasons are why far more so than ansible vs puppet | 19:29 |
| jeblair | i interpreted that more as mordred saying "if no one wants to write puppet then maybe we should switch" | 19:29 |
| mordred | right | 19:29 |
| mordred | I agree with clarkb that changing systems will not magically fix anything | 19:29 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: regardless of the different perceptions both of us had to that, i think "all of the above" are relevant, and they are all related | 19:29 |
| mordred | but - if we're having issues with people fixing the current system because they just don't want to work on puppet any more, then I think that is relevant and a thing we should consider | 19:29 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:29 |
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| clarkb | we already use both tools so happy to use ansible more. I just didn't want us going down that rabbit hole with the idea it will fix the real issues with config management we have | 19:31 |
| mordred | clarkb: ++ | 19:31 |
| mordred | totally agree | 19:31 |
| jeblair | i think there are some things we can do with the hybrid system we have now to address the issues clarkb raised. i think puppet continues to be workable in the long run. i also think that if we did want to switch from puppet to ansible, it may further address clarkb's issues and also be more fun for some of us. :) | 19:31 |
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| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | mordred: ++ | 19:32 |
| fungi | i also think that we have a decent enough separation right now between ansible for orchestration and puppet for configuration management and are (mostly) using each to its strengths. if we want to switch that around, as we've said in the past, we need a coordinated plan | 19:32 |
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| jeblair | fungi: yeah, this would be a step over a line we have drawn. it would be good to know what the steps following that are. :) | 19:32 |
| bkero | Having been at several projects who tried to switch configuration management systems over, I can tell you that there is no endgame there. | 19:32 |
| bkero | Feature parity is expected, but it never comes | 19:32 |
| mmedvede | side note from a third-party CI maintainer, switch from puppet to ansible would be painful for us. It is more or less starting from scratch. This at least should be considered if decision is made to go full in ansible | 19:32 |
| mordred | mmedvede: ++ | 19:33 |
| fungi | pabelanger: also, to reiterate, while discussion in the meeting is useful the commit message for 468113 really needs to summarize the reasons it's being proposed | 19:34 |
| mordred | in fact, I think that's a really good reason why, even if we do make ansible playbooks to install/manage a zuulv3 - we also need puppet modules for the same for puppet-openstackci | 19:34 |
| pabelanger | fungi: right, it was mostly a POC to have people look at code. I am thinking some document outlineing how it might work is the next step? | 19:35 |
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| mordred | since we have a bunch of people depending on that | 19:35 |
| fungi | pabelanger: sure, beefing up the commit message would be a start, but based on the discussion in here so far i'm pretty sure you'd need to start a spec | 19:35 |
| pabelanger | okay, I can start iterating on that | 19:36 |
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| jeblair | i am open to moving openstack-infra to ansible, and at this point, i'd even be okay doing it piecemeal, but i'd like us to agree that's the point we want to get to so that we know the ultimate destination before we start. | 19:36 |
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| fungi | because the nuances of the decision will make for a very wordy commit message and burying an important decision there when it's broader-reaching isn't great for discoverability | 19:36 |
| jeblair | ++spec | 19:37 |
| fungi | i won't #action that as i have no idea what direction you want to take it | 19:37 |
| mordred | spec++ | 19:37 |
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| clarkb | spec+=1 | 19:38 |
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| pabelanger | perfect, that is all I had on the topic. Thank you | 19:38 |
| fungi | it should also take some of the open specs we have (including the ansible puppet apply spec which is still in our priority efforts list) into account too | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | meanwhile, i feel that we may need to deploy zuulv3 for openstack-infra before we resolve this issue | 19:38 |
| jeblair | (unless we think we'll have a decision by next meeting) | 19:39 |
| fungi | i also expect a number of downstream consumers who are more or less happily using our puppet module now would like to get the benefits of zuul v3 without having to switch up their configuration management significantly | 19:39 |
| clarkb | can always make the config management turtles go deeper. ansible runs puppet which runs ansible >_> (I'm not serious) | 19:40 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 19:40 |
| fungi | so for those reasons, fixing what we have now enough to be able to at least initially support zuulv3 seems pretty necessary regardless | 19:40 |
| jeblair | fungi: agreed | 19:40 |
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| mordred | fungi: I definitely think we need to consider puppet-openstackci a first-class deliverable regardless of how we decide to run infra | 19:40 |
| jeblair | fungi: if there's a longer term switch, we should give enough time for folks who depend on puppet-zuul to step up to maintain it before we abandon it. | 19:41 |
| fungi | i'm inclined to agree | 19:41 |
| fungi | thanks for the interesting topic pabelanger! | 19:41 |
| pabelanger | thanks for chatting about it | 19:41 |
| jeblair | mordred: sure, but realistically, if we move infra to ansible, it will need another maintainer (there may still be overlap) in the long run. | 19:41 |
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| mordred | jeblair: agree | 19:42 |
| fungi | there's nothing else on the agenda, so we can go to open discussion for teh last few minutes and still talk about this if people want | 19:42 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:43 |
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| fungi | pabelanger: you got a couple of replacement nodepool builders up on xenial, right? how'd that go? | 19:43 |
| pabelanger | fungi: yes, we have 100% migrated | 19:43 |
| fungi | looks like the service is running on them and stopped on the old builders now... time to delete the old ones yet? | 19:43 |
| pabelanger | yup, I can delete them today | 19:43 |
| clarkb | and zypper works on xenial (we have suse images booted in clouds now) | 19:43 |
| pabelanger | yes, that too | 19:43 |
| fungi | oh, right, we have opensuse nodes! (and jobs!) | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | it should be much easier to bring on new operating systems now thanks to cmurphy work | 19:44 |
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| fungi | cmurphy: awesome work! | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | mordred: clarkb: did we want to push on citycloud for ipv6 networking? | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | I haven't done anything since friday | 19:44 |
| fungi | did they ever get back to us about the weird extra addresses in that one region? | 19:45 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: maybe? perhaps we first attempt another region to see if it is more reliable there and possibly use stateless dhcp rather than just slaac? | 19:45 |
| fungi | or has the problem maybe magically vanished? | 19:45 |
| clarkb | fungi: I haven't heard from them on it beyond that they were looking into it. We worked around it in shade on our end | 19:45 |
| pabelanger | fungi: I thought we pushed a fix in shade too | 19:45 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: yes, I can look at la1 tomorrow | 19:45 |
| fungi | oh, right there was that. did it also solve the reasons for the boot failures? | 19:45 |
| pabelanger | they appear to have decreased | 19:45 |
| pabelanger | but I see a few still | 19:46 |
| fungi | maybe those are for different reasons too | 19:46 |
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| clarkb | the only servers in sto2 with multiple private IPs currently are the pabelanger-test server and the multinode set of servers I held for debugging | 19:46 |
| clarkb | I will go ahead and delete the multinode servers, pabelanger's we gave to citycloud as an example so maybe keep that one around a little longer? | 19:47 |
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| fungi | maybe they found/fixed that issue and just didn't reply to us in that case | 19:47 |
| clarkb | ya which is what happened with the flavor issue in la1 | 19:47 |
| fungi | but yeah, let's give them a little longer | 19:47 |
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| clarkb | pabelanger: but re ipv6 maybe lets try the other options available to us first (stateless ipv6 and other citycloud region) and then take what we learn to citycloud | 19:48 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: so far they seem receptive to the feedback so thats good | 19:49 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: wfm | 19:49 |
| clarkb | er s/ipv6/dhcpv6/ | 19:49 |
| fungi | yep, quite pleased with citycloud's generous assistance and donation | 19:49 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 19:50 |
| fungi | seems like it went really smoothly, all things considered | 19:50 |
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| jeblair | yay! | 19:50 |
| fungi | and quite a lot of capacity | 19:50 |
| clarkb | I'm looking for feedback on https://review.openstack.org/468705 which is another d-g journald related change to help address SUSE runs | 19:51 |
| fungi | did we hear any further news about the kolla job failures they (at least originally) thought were only manifesting in citycloud? | 19:51 |
| clarkb | it puts a little more effort on the end user grabbing the logs but not significantly more | 19:51 |
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| clarkb | probably need sdague though who appears out today | 19:51 |
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| clarkb | fungi: Ihaven't heard more on that no | 19:51 |
| fungi | sdague has the right idea ;) | 19:52 |
| pabelanger | didn't somebody say there was a web interface for systemd logs? | 19:52 |
| clarkb | fungi: however found a possibly related problem in neutron functional tests where they don't use our ipv4 safe range | 19:52 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: there is but it would require work to make useful for our current steup | 19:52 |
| bkero | pabelanger: systemd-journal-gateway | 19:52 |
| clarkb | fungi: so wondering if maybe kolla is also not using the safe range and the IPs are conflicting | 19:52 |
| fungi | clarkb: which web interface was that? a search i just did turned up one called cockpit | 19:53 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i think sdague is out this week | 19:53 |
| clarkb | fungi: the one bkero named, its part of systemd | 19:53 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ah so maybe we need to just decide without him :) | 19:53 |
| fungi | oh, cool! and i guess cockpit is a more general management frontend, not just a log viewer | 19:53 |
| fungi | looks like maybe it's systemd-journal-gatewayd (d on the end) | 19:54 |
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| fungi | "serves journal events over the network. Clients must connect using HTTP" | 19:55 |
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| fungi | oh, right, discussion in the channel covered some missing features we've come to rely on in os-log-analyze | 19:56 |
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| fungi | especially hyperlinking to individual loglines | 19:56 |
| clarkb | cockpit does look shiny though I expect it will have similar issues | 19:56 |
| clarkb | basically everything is built assuming one giant journal | 19:56 |
| bkero | Cockpit is a...big thing. | 19:57 |
| fungi | more likely we'd just teach osla to run journalctl commands under the covers or something | 19:57 |
| fungi | probably less work than trying to integrate something like those | 19:57 |
| fungi | since we have lots of other logs we still need osla for | 19:58 |
| fungi | so it's not like it's going anywhere | 19:58 |
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| fungi | and we're at time. find us in #openstack-infra for subsequent discussion! (need to make way for the no-tc-meeting now) | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 30 20:00:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-05-30-19.03.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-05-30-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-05-30-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
| jeblair | there is a systemd.journal module for python too | 20:00 |
| fungi | up next, no tc meeting! | 20:00 |
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| jeblair | so might not be too hard | 20:00 |
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| martial | #startmeeting | 20:59 |
| openstack | martial: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 20:59 |
| martial | #startmeeting Scientific Working Group Meeting | 20:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 30 20:59:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is martial. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:59 |
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| martial | #chair oneswig | 20:59 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 20:59 |
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| oneswig | Hi Martial (again) :-) | 20:59 |
| martial | Hi Stig (fancy seeing you here) | 21:00 |
| trandles | hi folks | 21:00 |
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| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_May_30th_2017 | 21:00 |
| martial | #topic Collecting together research papers: user stories of Scientific OpenStack | 21:00 |
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| priteau | martial: We usually start the meeting with #startmeeting scientific-wg | 21:00 |
| oneswig | Hi trandles priteau | 21:01 |
| priteau | I am not sure if the logs will go to the right place with your command | 21:01 |
| priteau | nothing is showing up in http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/ yet | 21:01 |
| oneswig | priteau: true - what will happen? | 21:01 |
| martial | priteau: sorry let me see if I can change that | 21:01 |
| martial | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 21:01 |
| priteau | they're here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_working_group_meeting/2017/ | 21:01 |
| openstack | martial: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 21:01 |
| martial | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 30 21:01:41 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_working_group_meeting/2017/scientific_working_group_meeting.2017-05-30-20.59.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_working_group_meeting/2017/scientific_working_group_meeting.2017-05-30-20.59.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_working_group_meeting/2017/scientific_working_group_meeting.2017-05-30-20.59.log.html | 21:01 |
| martial | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 30 21:01:47 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is martial. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 21:01 |
| martial | #topic Collecting together research papers: user stories of Scientific OpenStack | 21:01 |
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| priteau | better :-) | 21:02 |
| martial | #chair oneswig | 21:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:02 |
| oneswig | And now for something completely different! :-) | 21:02 |
| martial | Ni | 21:02 |
| trandles | haha | 21:02 |
| oneswig | too good! | 21:02 |
| oneswig | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_May_30th_2017 | 21:02 |
| oneswig | OK, lets get this show on the road. | 21:02 |
| oneswig | Blair sends apologies - he is in flight | 21:02 |
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| martial | #topic Scientific datasets blog from SWITCH | 21:03 |
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| martial | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2017-May/002051.html# | 21:04 |
| martial | so switch people? | 21:04 |
| oneswig | right - this was a blog post by Saverio from SWITCH | 21:04 |
| oneswig | it's late night for them. | 21:04 |
| oneswig | I put it on the agenda because I thought it might interest some people (including me) | 21:04 |
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| martial | #link https://cloudblog.switch.ch/2017/05/22/hosting-and-computing-public-scientific-datasets-in-the-cloud/ | 21:05 |
| martial | #topic Collecting together research papers: user stories of Scientific OpenStack | 21:05 |
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| martial | do we have anybody else able to contribute such user stories | 21:05 |
| martial | ? | 21:05 |
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| oneswig | I've not previously used Zenodo | 21:06 |
| trandles | we've been talking about public datasets in the cloud internally but that's as far along as we are | 21:06 |
| oneswig | How do we check a paper is appropriate for sharing? | 21:06 |
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| martial | I would guess it has to do with the use of the dataset | 21:10 |
| TheMistyMay | hello! | 21:11 |
| martial | is it public, can it be used, etc ... | 21:11 |
| oneswig | Hello TheMistyMay, welcome | 21:11 |
| martial | as for the paper, "user stories" might also be good ways for people to share technology work / success they are having | 21:12 |
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| martial | maybe we ought to have those peer reviewed | 21:12 |
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| martial | the plan is still to have those added to a possible v2 of the book? | 21:12 |
| oneswig | martial: for sure, user stories is another level. The papers I've seen up on Zenodo are more academic in style | 21:12 |
| oneswig | martial: I'd like to collect user stories, each being approximately a chapter in scope. | 21:13 |
| oneswig | eg, identity federation (the current work in 'progress' - although I blush to call it that) | 21:13 |
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| martial | how long are we talking about here? | 21:14 |
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| martial | Mike (TheMistyMay) made a demo at the lighting talks, would a 3-4 pages description of why/how/links be a good user story for example? | 21:14 |
| oneswig | martial: no fixed constraint but a working rule of thumb was about 8 pages (plus some images) in a google doc... | 21:14 |
| oneswig | That sounds good, but the other sections bring in ~3 related user stories into a common theme - what was the demo on Mike? | 21:15 |
| TheMistyMay | I'd be happy to write something up as a "Helping to Prevent Bit Rot" in the style of a user story | 21:15 |
| oneswig | #link existing work for Scientific WG study here: https://github.com/openstack/scientific-wg/tree/master/doc/source | 21:16 |
| TheMistyMay | It was a demo of CI/CD build base images for openstack (and other common IaaS). As well as an nginx reverse proxy plugin that took care of authentication so researchers (users) didn't have to worry about edge security. | 21:17 |
| martial | that actually sounds pretty cool to me | 21:18 |
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| oneswig | That might be a useful contribution on a wider section on how people go about doing research computing development on cloud - what people sometimes call "ResOps"? | 21:19 |
| martial | oneswig: too early for me and Dmoni and such ... a public beta planned for a couple of weeks from now | 21:19 |
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| oneswig | What's interesting to me is that there isn't really an analogy to working at the system image level on conventional infrastructure. It's a new level of freedom - conversely a new level of burden :-) | 21:20 |
| oneswig | martial: plenty of time for that though, right? I think we are targeting November... | 21:21 |
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| martial | oneswig: I know but a user story based on it would be great | 21:22 |
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| martial | (ie will make it happen after we introduce it here) | 21:23 |
| oneswig | Mail just in from Lauren Sell - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2017-May/002091.html | 21:24 |
| oneswig | Should we have people's video picks of outstanding talks they saw in Boston? | 21:25 |
| martial | that sounds like a good idea to me | 21:25 |
| oneswig | #topic summit video picks | 21:25 |
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| martial | (remembering the presentation name is going to be the tricky part) | 21:26 |
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| oneswig | #link Manila, CephFS at CERN - watched this video, it's quite similar to some things we are doing, was intrigued by the question at the end on RDMA (thought that was not active) https://www.openstack.org/videos/boston-2017/manila-on-cephfs-at-cern-the-short-way-to-production | 21:28 |
| martial | #link Container as a Service on GPU Cloud: Our Decision Among K8s, Mesos, Docker Swarm, and OpenStack Zun https://www.openstack.org/videos/boston-2017/container-as-a-service-on-gpu-cloud-our-decision-among-k8s-mesos-docker-swarm-and-openstack-zun | 21:29 |
| oneswig | One thing that we are stuck on is that there's no Manila equivalent of provider networks - 'provider filesystems' if you will - I want to manage access to existing filesystems, which can be big and long-lived | 21:29 |
| trandles | oneswig: +1 on 'provider filesystems' | 21:30 |
| priteau | +1 for the CephFS talk at CERN, that was a good one | 21:30 |
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| martial | #link OpenStack + OpenHPC = HPC Cloud https://www.openstack.org/videos/boston-2017/openstack-openhpc-hpc-cloud | 21:30 |
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| oneswig | Cool - something we are interested in too! | 21:31 |
| Georgem_ | https://youtu.be/EhrXALI_I-Y | 21:31 |
| trandles | What's the deadline on providing some input on videos? I haven't even had a chance to start through my watch list. :( | 21:32 |
| oneswig | That you George? :-) | 21:32 |
| Georgem_ | Yeap | 21:32 |
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| Georgem_ | On the train, poor connection:( | 21:32 |
| oneswig | trandles: lets scrape these links and keep going via openstack-operators in the next few days | 21:33 |
| oneswig | I haven't had a good look through myself yet, not even made it through the HPC/Research track | 21:34 |
| trandles | Ok. I'll try to provide some feedback by the end of the week. | 21:34 |
| martial | #link The U.S. Army Cyber School OpenStack Use Case: Saving Millions and Making Changes for the Benefit of National Defense https://www.openstack.org/videos/boston-2017/the-u-s-army-cyber-school-openstack-use-case-saving-millions-and-making-changes-for-the-benefit-of-national-defense | 21:34 |
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| martial | (that last one was very interesting, an extension of the keynote presentation) | 21:35 |
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| oneswig | I love the fact they are presenting in uniform! | 21:35 |
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| TheMistyMay | fun fact: cyber schools architecture was build around a deployable mobile cloud architecture that was mission oriented | 21:36 |
| martial | #link Towards a Platform for Science - Initial Lessons from the Science Accelerator Platform at LBL https://www.openstack.org/videos/boston-2017/towards-a-platform-for-science-initial-lessons-from-the-science-accelerator-platform-at-lbl | 21:36 |
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| martial | that's it for me for now | 21:38 |
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| oneswig | martial: How was the Cyborg talk in the end - I know that's one you're interested in | 21:39 |
| martial | oneswig: it was very interesting and a good introduction for people to join the team | 21:39 |
| priteau | I haven't watched it yet, but there was another CERN presentation, about containers | 21:39 |
| priteau | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOh0dwPGeSM | 21:39 |
| martial | but my colleague goldenfri is on the team for the presentation, so I will let him talk about it | 21:40 |
| oneswig | priteau: very interested in new work from CERN OpenLab | 21:41 |
| martial | #link OpenStack Acceleration Service: Introduction of Cyborg Project https://www.openstack.org/videos/boston-2017/openstack-acceleration-service-introduction-of-cyborg-project | 21:42 |
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| oneswig | OK, I'll collect these together and follow up to the list, we'll get a thread going there | 21:44 |
| martial | sounds like a good plan | 21:44 |
| martial | #topic Working Group activities for the new release cycle | 21:44 |
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| oneswig | There's definite interest in updating and extending the studies done so far. | 21:45 |
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| martial | stig: extending those would make a lot of sense I agree | 21:46 |
| oneswig | What's bugging everyone else? | 21:47 |
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| martial | stig: as you know, I want to make our set of tools open to the SWG for testing, and hopefully have a stable version for the next in person meeting in November | 21:48 |
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| martial | My team and I will welcome comments, recommendations and bug reports (and fixes :) ) | 21:49 |
| oneswig | martial: good for you, sounds like a very worthwhile contribution | 21:49 |
| oneswig | You think it'll be public in a couple of weeks? | 21:49 |
| martial | we are packaging it internally as an alpha | 21:50 |
| trandles | bare metal is still bugging me and it looks like progress is being made on that front | 21:50 |
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| trandles | if that's the case I'll be happy to show off our use case in November | 21:50 |
| trandles | but it's nothing new for the WG I'm afraid | 21:50 |
| martial | going to try to have a few people to use it, comment on the "docs" ... we all know we write our docs for people who already know how to use it | 21:50 |
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| martial | then release a beta on github | 21:51 |
| martial | tim: although it is not new, it is still relevant | 21:51 |
| oneswig | trandles: one area I am hopeful for progress is in the new roles in the Ironic state machine and how that might enable us (with the new Nova scheduler capabilities) to find a more elegant way of reprogramming BIOS and RAID for bare metal instances | 21:51 |
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| martial | tim: looking forward to progress or best case definition | 21:52 |
| oneswig | I think Mike Lowe was interested in continuing the project on handling datasets | 21:53 |
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| martial | stig: I think this is correct | 21:54 |
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| martial | does not seem there is much to be discussed today | 21:55 |
| martial | #topic Any other business | 21:56 |
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| martial | open floor... | 21:56 |
| trandles | sorry I'm being pulled in two directions at the moment so only about 50% present here | 21:56 |
| martial | tim: no worries, we understand. Feel free to follow up if you are able to | 21:57 |
| oneswig | Anyone using CephFS in bare metal? We've got curious problems with metadata latency | 21:57 |
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| trandles | in fact, I have to run... I'll follow up on the mailing list thread with video feedback | 21:57 |
| oneswig | bandwidth is good but directory operations really seem to hurt | 21:57 |
| trandles | later! | 21:57 |
| oneswig | see you trandles | 21:57 |
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| oneswig | I think I've got a blog article to make on it, but only if I can find an answer... | 21:58 |
| themisty_ | We're experimenting with bare metal Ceph too | 21:59 |
| oneswig | themisty_: cool - lets keep in touch - #scientific-wg is the place to be :-) | 21:59 |
| themisty_ | :) I plan to try and be around more | 22:00 |
| oneswig | I leave you with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMwP7nEuDGA | 22:00 |
| martial | sweeeet | 22:01 |
| oneswig | OK folks, got to pop | 22:01 |
| oneswig | until next week | 22:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 30 22:01:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-05-30-21.01.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-05-30-21.01.txt | 22:01 |
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| martial | darn that was a good pilot | 22:02 |
| priteau | good bye | 22:02 |
| martial | bye all :) | 22:02 |
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