Wednesday, 2017-05-31

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joehuang#startmeeting tricircle01:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tricircle'01:01
joehuangMany of us just had public holidays on Monday and Tuesday01:01
joehuangSo maybe not so many people will be shown in the meeting, it's ok01:01
joehuanglet's have open discussion01:02
Yipeiok, for lbaas, when creating health management interface, i fail to allocate the ip to it by using dhclient01:03
Yipeican i configure it manually?01:03
dongfengok, I still try to implement the pagination for routing list, because I'm not familiar with sqlalchemy, it will need some time01:04
joehuanghave you checked the dhcp name space01:04
joehuangwhether the dhcp namespace for the network is working01:04
joehuangto Dongfeng, thanks a lot01:05
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joehuangif you want to allocate ip to the instance via dhcp, the dhcp name space should be there01:06
Yipeithe dhcp network namespace exists01:06
Yipeii can see a tap for the dhcp port01:07
Yipeiin the network namespace01:07
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joehuangI remember that in octavia devstack plugin, there is some scripts for the health management interface01:09
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Yipeiyes, i create the interface by following the plugin.sh01:10
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joehuangsudo dhclient -v o-hm0 -cf $OCTAVIA_DHCLIENT_CONF01:10
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Yipeiyes, that is the command01:11
joehuangthe network is dhcp enabled or disabled?01:11
joehuangthe dhcp agent has been bound or not?01:12
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joehuangI am afraid that in Tricircle there is some processing in DHCP will make o-hm not work normally01:13
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Yipeii think it is enabled, because i create the management port without specifying a fixed ip, and i also successfully boot a vm01:13
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Yipeii think it the source of the amphora reboot, the health management cannot work well01:14
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Yipeihow to check whether the dhcp agent has been bound or not01:14
joehuanghave you installed tricircle local plugin in local Neutron?01:15
Yipeiyes, i installed tricircle and octavia together with devstack, but comment the lines in of octavia, which creates mgmt networks01:16
joehuangopenstack network agent list/show/etc01:16
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Yipeiso that i can create the management network manually01:16
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joehuangthe management network is created from central Neutron or from local neutron?01:18
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zhiyuansorry i am late. to yipei, you can check whether there is a dhcp namespace for the management network01:19
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joehuangdhcp namespace is there01:19
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zhiyuanthen can you ping the dhcp IP inside the VM?01:20
Yipeito joehuang, i execute openstack network agent list, all the states of agents are UP01:20
Yipeito zhiyuan, i can ping the dhcp IP in the dhcp network namespace01:21
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joehuangyes, you can also boot one VM in that mngt network to see if the VM can get IP01:21
joehuangIf you ping inside dhcp name space, you just ping loopback01:22
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Yipeiyes, i tried, the vm can be successfully booted. i booted a vm, because if i do not boot one, there is not dhcp network namespace01:23
Yipeii can ping loopback, too01:23
joehuangcan the dhcp IP be ping-able inside vm01:24
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Yipeito joehuang, but the o-hm0 interface is in default network namespace01:25
Yipeito joehuang, i tried01:27
Yipeithe dhcp ip is ping-able inside the vm01:27
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zhiyuanto yipei, in the host running the dhcp agent, run "ps axu | grep dnsmasq"01:29
zhiyuancheck if the IP of o-hm0 is inside this file: /opt/stack/data/neutron/dhcp/$SOME_ID/addn_hosts01:30
joehuangif vm can get IP, I think dhcp is normal01:30
zhiyuani am not sure $SOME_ID is network id or subnet id01:30
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zhiyuanyou can see from the result of "ps"01:31
Yipeinobody    1199  0.0  0.0  54608  2664 ?        S    5月30   0:03 /usr/sbin/dnsmasq --no-resolv --keep-in-foreground --no-hosts --bind-interfaces --pid-file=/var/run/NetworkManager/ --listen-address= --cache-size=0 --conf-file=/dev/null --proxy-dnssec --enable-dbus=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.dnsmasq --conf-dir=/etc/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.d01:31
Yipeinobody   29318  0.0  0.0  49988  2888 ?        S    08:58   0:00 dnsmasq --no-hosts  --strict-order --except-interface=lo --pid-file=/opt/stack/data/neutron/dhcp/e89bb941-2493-4146-8986-a2ea5990218c/pid --dhcp-hostsfile=/opt/stack/data/neutron/dhcp/e89bb941-2493-4146-8986-a2ea5990218c/host --addn-hosts=/opt/stack/data/neutron/dhcp/e89bb941-2493-4146-8986-a2ea5990218c/addn_hosts --dhcp-optsfile=/opt/stack/data/neutron/dhcp/e89bb941-2493-4146-8986-01:31
Yipeia2ea5990218c/opts --dhcp-leasefile=/opt/stack/data/neutron/dhcp/e89bb941-2493-4146-8986-a2ea5990218c/leases --dhcp-match=set:ipxe,175 --bind-interfaces --interface=tap99e6b6d7-4a --dhcp-range=set:tag0,,static,86400s --dhcp-option-force=option:mtu,1450 --dhcp-lease-max=256 --conf-file= --domain=openstacklocal01:31
Yipeistack    31234  0.0  0.0  15960  1020 pts/36   S+   09:30   0:00 grep --color=auto dnsmasq01:31
joehuangyipei, do you have this port locally in local Neutron, or the port is only in central Neutron?01:32
Yipeii only create the port in central neutorn01:32
Yipeiso no port in local neutron01:32
joehuangyou need to get the port in local neutron first01:32
joehuangonly if there is port in local neutron, then dhcp will work01:33
Yipeibut octavia uses central neutron to manage amphora as well as the management network01:34
zhiyuanafter creating a port in central Neutron, you can use "openstack port show $central_port_id" to create the port in local Neutron01:34
zhiyuan"openstack --os-region-name $local-region port show $central_port_id"01:34
joehuangYipei, do you know how to address this issue now?01:35
Yipeii see01:35
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joehuangfor some information to share01:36
joehuangtwo applications running in OPNFV summit multisite now all work01:37
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joehuangboth vIMS(voice) and JITSI(video conference) can run in multi-site environment with site level redundancy01:38
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joehuangthrough the networking capabilities, these two applications can achieve site level high availability01:39
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joehuangvIMS is via Triricle cross site L3 networking01:39
joehuangJITISI is via cross site L2 networking01:40
joehuang#info through the networking capabilities of tricricle, vIMS and JITSI can achieve site level high availability in OPNFV multisite environment01:40
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joehuanganother news is that Neutron + Tricircle can work well with Nova cellsv201:41
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joehuangother topic to discuss?01:42
RonghUIto zhiyuan please review the QoS spec :)01:43
joehuangRonghui, please communicate with ZHiyuan about the comment01:43
joehuangand some patches submitted should include test cases too01:44
RonghUIok will update in next version01:44
zhiyuanI have talked to Xiongqiu about the "create_qos_policy" job01:44
joehuangyeah, please update in time to make it being integrated fast01:45
joehuangif no other topic, let's conclude the meeting01:46
zhiyuanAt first he was going to create the local qos policy in both "network_update" and "create_qos_policy" jobs, so I suggest to only create qos policy in "create_qos_policy" job, then also update network to bind qos policy in this job01:46
joehuangplease refer to for OPNFV multisite environment01:48
joehuang#info refer to for OPNFV multisite environment01:49
joehuangother topic?01:49
Yipeito joehuang and zhiyuan, i tried, still does not work, can we discuss it in tricircle channel after the meeting?01:49
dongfengno for me01:49
RonghUIno for me01:50
Yipeino for me01:50
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gongysh#startmeeting tacker04:30
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tung_doanhi all04:30
gongysh#topic Roll Call04:30
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gongyshclaire1006, hi04:30
YanXing_anhello, claire1006, wellcome04:31
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gongyshbennco1, hi welcome04:31
bennco1thank you04:31
gongyshit seems we need some time for other guys to join.04:32
tung_doangongysh: agree04:32
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tung_doanhi sridhar_ram04:34
gongyshsridhar_ram, great to have you on meeting.04:34
sridhar_ramsorry for the delay, will get used to the new time :)04:34
gongyshok. today, we have two new guys. bennco1 and claire100604:35
gongyshbennco1, claire1006 , could you please introduce yourself?04:35
bennco1@claire1006 can go first04:36
YanXing_anclaire1006 is a girl, from china mobile :)04:36
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bennco1Well hello My name is Conrad from Verizon Wireless04:36
gongyshYanXing_an, great to hear china mobile give one more member to this project.04:37
bennco1Conrad Bennett04:37
sridhar_ramwelcome claire1006 and bennco1  to Tacker!04:37
gongyshbennco1,  welcome.04:37
tung_doanwelcome claire1006 and bennco1 to Tacker :)04:37
claire1006my name's bao fangyan,i'm yanxin'an's colleague.04:37
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gongyshverizon is acquired by someone, right?04:37
bennco1Verizon Wireless? No, not that I have heard04:38
gongyshbennco1, ok04:38
gongyshlets start04:38
gongysh#topic bp04:38
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gongyshremember June 8th, the deadline of P2 milestone is the deadline of BP merge04:39
gongyshif there is no much exception, we will abide by this rule.04:39
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gongyshwe have some specs pending for review or update.04:40
gongyshfirst one is from tung_doan,
gongyshtung_doan, hi04:40
tung_doangongysh: hi04:41
tung_doangongysh: I am trying to wrap my bp this week04:41
gongyshtell us the progress on this spec, how far it is from being merge?04:41
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tung_doangongysh: I think it could be merge soon. We just need some modification in NFVO04:42
tung_doangongysh: related to some support for connection points04:42
tung_doanat the same time. i also open the patch for this bp:
gongyshtung_doan,  is it related to vnffg in NSD?04:43
tung_doangongysh: firstly, i will go with vnffg, then move to nsd04:43
tung_doantung_doan: the scope of my bp only focuses on VNFFG04:44
tung_doangongysh: I think code will be lauched soon for this feature04:44
gongyshtung_doan, lets get bp merged first.04:44
tung_doangongysh: got it04:45
gongyshsecond bp04:45
gongyshVNFFG support for Network Service Descriptor04:45
gongyshtrozet, hi04:45
sridhar_ramtung_doan: does the scope include VNFFG fixup due to a VNF respawn ?04:45
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tung_doansridhar_ram: right04:45
sridhar_ramtung_doan: my understanding ^^ shd not need any TOSCA changes, can u confirm?04:45
tung_doansridhar_ram: exactly04:45
gongyshtung_doan, I think so too.04:46
tung_doansridhar_ram: we need auto-heal VNFFG when some VNF go down04:46
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gongyshtrozet,  dharmendra.kushwaha are both absent here.04:46
gongyshso let skip the NSD bp04:47
sridhar_ramtung_doan: so, the users need not do anything to get this feature .. that is unclear from the BP04:47
tung_doansridhar_ram: when some VNFs are respawned, their connection points will change. That break VNFFG.04:48
sridhar_ramtung_doan: i'll add some comments to the BP .. basically L39 (gongysh already flagged this)04:49
sridhar_ramtung_doan: understood, thanks04:49
tung_doansridhar_ram: sure. really need your comment. thanks04:49
gongyshtung_doan, I am also wondering what we need to do under scaling.04:49
sridhar_ramgongysh: i'm not sure if we support VNFFG + Auto-Scaling combo04:50
tung_doangongysh: ok. when vnf is overload, the new chain should be created.04:50
sridhar_ramgongysh: it would involve add new neutron ports to port-pair groups dynamically04:50
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tung_doansridhar_ram: you got the point04:51
gongyshsridhar_ram, our VNFFG is fixed on a certain CP path.04:52
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tung_doansridhar_ram: gongysh: in Barcelona summit I heard some questions about auto-healing in VNFFG. It should be up to Tacker04:52
sridhar_ramgongysh: that's what i was afraid of .. we first shd work towards enabling FFG + Scaling before taking that up ..04:53
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YanXing_anit's a big problem, i think we need fix it to support vnffg+scaling04:53
sridhar_rami suggest we split this BP into these two scenarios04:53
gongyshsridhar_ram, yes.04:53
sridhar_ram.. into two BPs04:53
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gongyshtung_doan, do you got it? I agree with sridhar_ram.04:54
tung_doangongysh: one for vnffg+scaling, another for what? could you elaborate?04:54
gongyshanother is: vnffg to deal with respawn policy action04:54
tung_doangongysh: sridhar_ram: got it. i know they are different04:55
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sridhar_ramtung_doan: let's split those into two diff BPs .. so that they are scoped appropriately04:55
tung_doansridhar_ram: got it. thanks04:56
gongyshtung_doan, so you have lot to do. :)04:56
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gongyshnext bp is Implement VNF monitor policies with Mistral workflow04:56
tung_doangongysh: this time I can deal with these :)04:56
gongyshsridhar_ram, I need your review04:56
YanXing_antung_doan, i can help to write one if possible, after barbican finished.04:56
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tung_doanYanXing_an: vnffg+scaling may need your support04:57
tung_doanYanXing_an: I can deal with vnffg+respawning04:57
sridhar_ramgongysh: sure, will do04:57
tung_doanYanXing_an: thanks.04:57
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sridhar_ramtung_doan: +1 for that sequence04:58
gongyshnext bp is
gongyshblock storage bp04:58
gongyshfrom chinamobile04:58
gongyshzhouzhihong is busy with company job.04:59
gongyshso who can take this?04:59
YanXing_anzhouzhihong is not here, i will help to remove the WIP fields.04:59
gongyshYanXing_an, you need to update the spec according to review too.04:59
YanXing_angongysh, ok05:00
gongysh30 mins passed05:00
gongysh#topic bugs05:01
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gongyshor codes.05:01
gongyshbarbican patch05:01
YanXing_antung_doan, seems vnffg+scaling is difficult than vnffg+respawning :)05:01
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gongyshit seems almost done.05:02
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YanXing_angongysh, i will commit a PS EOD.05:02
tung_doanYanXing_an: that's why you and me should co-work ;)05:02
tung_doan* you and I05:03
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gongyshthis also need review, so that I can go with vim reachability bp coding.05:03
claire1006resources like vnf which got stuck in PENDING_DELETE status can't be deleted correctly.05:04
sridhar_ramgongysh: is the patchset for tacker-conductor out?05:04
gongyshsridhar_ram,  not, it is on tacker API to start workflow.05:05
gongyshtacker-conductor will be next patch to implement VIM monitoring.05:05
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gongyshclaire1006, I know it is a bug, could you please update doc to talk about the state transition?05:05
sridhar_ramgongysh: soudns good05:05
claire1006 It's better to add a state transition,or just make the deletion process continue?plz give some suggestion.thx.05:06
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claire1006i didn't take the state transition way.05:06
gongyshclaire1006, I am talking to write a doc about the state transition, so that we can make decision if the change is reasonable.05:07
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sridhar_ramclaire1006: is the heat stack ID available in the vnf db for those VNFs stuck in PENDING_DELETE ?05:08
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claire1006sridhar_ram,i will check it later05:09
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sridhar_rami remember we discussed 'vnf-delete --force' option way back to handle situations like this,05:09
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YanXing_ansridhar_ram, i think the VNF is already deleted in heat in this bug.05:10
sridhar_ramYanXing_an: I see ..05:10
gongyshclaire1006,  make a clear state transition in a devref doc and then make the change will help us.05:10
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claire1006It can't be found by _get_vnf_db() when it got stuck in PENDING_DELETE.05:10
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claire1006gongysh, ok05:10
gongyshclaire1006 thanks05:11
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gongysh#topic open discussion.05:11
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tung_doansridhar_ram: this bp is a really good feature:
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YanXing_angongysh, this state transition need another patch?05:12
tung_doansridhar_ram: do you have a plan to do it?05:12
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tung_doansridhar_ram: if i finish my work load, i will look into this05:12
digais our meeting timing changed ?05:12
gongyshYanXing_an, we can make it in the same patch. but another is ok too.05:12
gongyshdiga, it is one hour earlier than before.05:12
sridhar_ramtung_doan: yes, that BP  was a long standing request05:13
YanXing_angongysh, ok05:13
digagongysh: that;s the reason I am missing it05:13
sridhar_ramtung_doan: it makes even more relevant now that we support NSD, FFGD, etc05:13
tung_doansridhar_ram: seems heat-translator already support csar. it is really nice :)05:13
digagongysh: will talk you after the meeting, I think we are about to finish the meeting05:14
sridhar_ramtung_doan: yeah, i remember that .. we can use that to "unpack" the CSAR but we need to pass it thru' tacker for parsing05:14
gongyshdiga, we have still time about 10 mins.05:14
digagongysh: okay05:15
digagongysh: I will start pushing the patches on per module weekwise05:16
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tung_doansridhar_ram: agree. In the future, i think we can separate out a repo like tacker-catalog :) This will process TOSCA, YANG,...05:16
digagongysh: I didn't get time last month to work on this peace due to some office releases05:16
sridhar_ramtung_doan: yep05:16
digagongysh: I will start with VIM api05:17
gongyshdiga, never mind.  let push tacker forward together.05:17
digagongysh: Yeah05:17
sridhar_ramdiga: fyi, there is a general convergence in using uwsgi and riding on existing apache (using mod_wsgi)05:17
sridhar_ram.. in other openstack projects05:17
digasridhar_ram: ohh..kk05:18
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digasridhar_ram: do you have any link on that ?05:18
digasridhar_ram: I will go through it05:18
sridhar_ramdiga: don't have it handy, will pass on when i find it05:18
digasridhar_ram: sure! Thanks05:19
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digasridhar_ram: is this a first meeting after summit or second ?05:19
digasridhar_ram: I dont know how many I have missed in between05:20
sridhar_ramdiga: please use this to catchup ->
gongysh#info, YanXing_an and I proposed a topic in openstack china day to talk about tacker vnf.05:20
sridhar_ramgongysh: wonderful !05:20
digasridhar_ram: yep, thanks for sharing the link05:21
gongyshif someone talks about tacker at any conference, please share it.05:21
gongyshanything else to talk?05:22
gongysh#topic core team adjustment05:22
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gongyshI will make some adjustment about core team at Pike 3 milestone05:23
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gongyshso please stay active to make project hit.05:24
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digagongysh: +105:24
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gongyshif there is no more to talk, lets end the meeting. thanks everyone.05:25
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sridhar_rambye everyone05:25
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mahatic#startmeeting swift07:00
openstackMeeting started Wed May 31 07:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mahatic. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.07:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'07:00
mahaticwho is here for Swift alternate meeting?07:00
cschwede_Yay, Swift time :) Hello everyone!07:00
mathiasbgood morning07:00
* notmyname here, although disagrees with "alternate" ;-)07:00
mahaticDid I see acoles too?07:01
notmynamethanks, mahatic, for leading this meeting07:01
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acolesI'm here!07:01
mattoliverauSo weird to have it at this time, but also great :)07:01
mahaticnotmyname: of course np!07:01
mahatichello everyone!07:01
mahaticgreat to see you all07:01
mahaticlet's get started07:01
mahatic#topic Rotating Chair07:02
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mahaticSo, it'd be really great and helpful if we could have rotating Chairs07:02
acolesI have one :)07:02
* mattoliverau imagines mahatic on a swivel chair leading the meeting07:03
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mahaticPart of the reason is, currently I'm not 100% on Swift and also involved in other projects at my work07:03
mahaticall those jokes, note the capitalization of C ;)07:04
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mattoliveraumahatic: ok, but so far your doing great :)07:04
mattoliverauFair enough.07:04
cschwede_maybe rotate alphabetically? so it's (nearly) clear who's next and who has been the last one (eg acoles, cschwede, kota, mahatic, mathiasb, mattoliverau, and so on...)07:04
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mahaticgetting back, it'd make sense we have different Chairs especially to avoid times when one of is not caught up enough on what's going on07:04
acolescschwede_: I see what you did to me there ;)07:05
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mahaticcschwede_: sounds great to me07:05
mahaticacoles: ;)07:05
cschwede_acoles: pure coincidence :)07:05
mattoliverauSo long as it's written somewhere (on the ajenda/wiki) cause I'll forget :)07:05
mattoliverauBut sure07:05
acolesmahatic: ok with me07:05
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mahaticIs everyone else ok with having Chairs, in the alphabetical order?07:06
mahaticacoles: great, thanks07:06
cschwede_let's do that!07:06
acolesI think I saw that rledisez may be attending, so add him to list?07:06
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mattoliverauYup ;)07:06
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mahaticyes sure07:07
cschwede_yeah, my list is surely not complete...07:07
acolesAnd clayg *promised* he'd be here!!07:07
mahaticseems a lot of us agree on that. Nice!07:07
notmynamehe specifically said he wouldn't be here, today in the office :-)07:07
mahaticyes, clayg: where are you?! ;)07:07
mathiasbi'm not sure i'm ever caught up enough on what's going on, but if that's not a strict requirement then sure, +1 :)07:08
mahaticthank you everyone for agreeing on being a Chair!07:08
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mahaticmathiasb: oh well, you *can* get caught up if you aren't already, no? ;)07:08
mattoliveraumathiasb, it's should be just leading and going through what's on the ajenda07:08
mahatic+1 also preparing the agenda as well07:09
mattoliverauAnd getting us back into line when we get too off track ;)07:09
acolesmathiasb: everyone - i think it's important that the Chair does not fee they need to know everything that is going on - I see the role as facilitating07:09
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mattoliverauYeah, let's all try and help with the ajenda07:10
mahaticI agree07:10
mattoliverauStart with some common topics, then people can add if they need/want to discuss07:10
notmynameI would be very happy to assist anyone with that07:10
notmynameand am available to do so at whatever time is convenient for you07:11
mahaticI was just about to say that - you can coordinate with notmyname in any case :)07:11
mattoliveraunotmyname: thanks!07:11
mahaticany more questions/thoughts on this?07:12
notmynameso for practical todos, acoles will chair the next meeting on June 14?07:12
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mahaticnotmyname: should this be a hashtag todo you mean?07:13
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notmynameyes, it can be, but that's not what I meant by the statement/question07:14
mahaticI'll probably just note it in the wiki07:14
mahaticnext up07:14
notmyname#agreed chairs for 0700 meeting will rotate07:14
notmyname#agreed acoles will chair june 1407:14
notmynamedone :-)07:15
mahaticthanks! :)07:15
mahatic#topic Priority review patches that didn't have a turnaround in over a month07:15
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mahaticso as the title suggests, I noted a few of those patches07:15
kota_notmyname: perhaps the hashtag commands are only for the chiar?07:16
notmynamekota_: dunno07:16
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mahatic#agreed chairs for 0700 meeting will rotate07:16
mahatichmm that didn't prompt anything07:17
mahaticgetting back -
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patchbotoh hi!07:17
patchbotpatch 289664 - swift - Make eventlet.tpool's thread count configurable in...07:18
patchbotpatch 289664 - swift - Make eventlet.tpool's thread count configurable in...07:18
mahaticthat one is Sam's patch and Clay seems to have left a -1. There hasn't been any activity in more than a month07:18
mahaticthank you kota_ notmyname07:18
mattoliverauOh I had problems, getting it to work when testing this07:19
mattoliverauBeen meaning to retry07:19
mahaticoh okay07:19
mahaticI'm not sure if Sam is still intending to work on it?07:19
mahaticnotmyname: would you know?07:20
notmynamehe's not, in the short term07:20
notmynameor rather, that's not what he's currently working on day-to-day07:20
mahaticwell, since it's in the priority reviews, maybe anyone else who has bandwidth and interest could pick it up07:21
mattoliverauMaybe it shouldn't be a priority review, it's cool, so stay a patch07:21
notmynamethere's more info in the bug report
openstackLaunchpad bug 1554233 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Servers-per-port can consume excessive OS threads" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Samuel Merritt (torgomatic)07:21
notmynamemattoliverau: a bug doesn't get less-bad when someone is unavailable to work on a patch ;-)07:21
notmynamejust means the rest of us have to step up :-)07:21
mattoliverauLol true07:21
cschwede_yeah, clayg's comments seem to be rather easy to include, maybe someone wants to step in on this patch?07:21
mahaticmaybe Clay! ;)07:22
acolesnotmyname: right, but it would be helpful in such a case to know that the patch needs someone to take it on. otherwise it just clutters the priority review list but is in fact going nowhere07:22
cschwede_i assume Sam would be ok if someone takes over as long as the author tag is kept07:22
mahaticon a serious note, maybe someone who already has context - that's what I meant07:22
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notmynameyes, acoles and mahatic. that is very true07:23
acolesSo do we need a "priority reviews in need of an owner" list?07:23
cschwede_Prashanth liked the patch, maybe he has some interest in this. I'll ping him07:23
notmynameis he still around?07:23
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mattoliverauI'm not sure how great or long my promises can last in my current situation. But I can loop round on it seeing as I was testing it in the past.07:24
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mahaticacoles: looks like it. at least if we have bugs/patches that are a priority but doesn't have an owner, having a list would help and bring some visibility07:24
notmynameI think what we need on this patch is for someone to spend a bit of time to understand it, especially since it may need to be taken over from torgomatic07:24
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notmyname...and it sounds like mattoliverau can take a stab at that?07:25
notmynamegreat, thanks07:26
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mahaticand a fallback would be Prashanth if he's interested?07:26
notmynamemattoliverau: and even working in clay's comment and pushing another patch set would be good07:26
notmynamemahatic: if he's still working on swift...07:26
mahaticoic okay07:26
mahaticthanks mattoliverau!07:27
mahaticthe other patch is07:27
patchbotpatch 371150 - swift - Return 404 on a GET if tombstone is newer07:27
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mahaticthis one has also been for quite sometime with no activity. Could check with tdasilva if he's still planning on continuing with that work07:28
notmynamethis one looks like it's been a conversation between timburke and tdasilva07:28
notmynameyes, this one needs to be brought up in the 2100 meeting later today07:28
cschwede_looks like a useful improvement07:29
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mahaticyeah, I'm sure it'd be useful. It's tagged as medium priority07:30
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mahaticokay, we have one more and Romain is the author. But he doesn't seem to be around07:30
rledisezhi everybody :)07:30
mahaticrledisez: oh hi! :)07:30
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notmyname has everyone here right now :-)07:31
patchbotpatch 456921 - swift - Fix SSYNC failing to replicate unexpired object07:31
mahaticmattoliverau left a comment and acoles seems to have addressed it07:31
mahaticmattoliverau: did you get a chance to look over it?07:31
mattoliveraurledisez: o/07:31
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mahaticnotmyname: yes, thanks! :)07:31
mattoliverauNot yet, been distracted07:32
rledisezmattoliverau: i think alister answered your concerns about commit/verify07:32
mattoliverauKk, will take a look, sorry everyone07:32
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acolesmattoliverau: yeah, it is a little subtle but the verify flag is distinct from commit07:32
notmynamemattoliverau: no worries. you've been upended recently07:33
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notmynamemattoliverau: what would be best here (for you)? take it from rledisez an acoles that it's resolves? wait for you to respond in gerrit?07:33
notmynameget another person involved in the review?07:34
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acolesnotmyname: clayg spent some time on this - IIRC I ripped off a probe test he started in the follow up, so he may be able to jump in07:34
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mattoliverauI'll take a quick look tomorrow07:34
mattoliverauBut if need be don't wait for me07:35
mattoliverauBut I do trust them :)07:35
notmynameah, ok. is the follow-up07:36
patchbotpatch 460073 - swift - Add probe test for ssync of unexpired metadata to ...07:36
notmynameacoles: maybe that should be merged in?07:36
notmynamemattoliverau: ok, if you take a look tomorrow, that would be great. but if not, that's ok, but just let us know :-)07:37
mahaticok, that sounds good07:37
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mahaticthanks everyone for figuring it out :)07:38
mahaticnext up is07:38
mahatic#topic Drop translation that's causing bugs07:38
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mattoliverauI will, I'll leave a comment if I have issues or fail to test on my limited resources07:38
acolesnotmyname: +1 (squash the probe test) it's 'only' another 58 lines to review07:39
mahaticso we have a couple of bugs on this (maybe more around)07:39
openstackLaunchpad bug 1648082 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Yet UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte..." [Undecided,New]07:39
openstackLaunchpad bug 1580678 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "UnicodeDecodeError when rebalancing a ring" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Christian Schwede (cschwede)07:39
mahaticon the latter, clayg commented that openstack had a resolution to drop off log message translations07:40
mahaticand here is what info I could find on that -
mahaticbut it doesn't quite say the same. If anyone could point to a better source, that'd be great07:41
mahaticor if I'm missing some ML announcement on this, please correct me07:41
cschwede_if you ever google a translated log message, your chance is pretty low to find something useful...07:41
notmyname" Starting with the Pike series, OpenStack no longer supports log translation. It is not necessary to add translation instructions to new code, and the instructions can be removed from old code. Refer to the email thread understanding log domain change on the openstack-dev mailing list for more details."07:42
mahaticawesome, thanks notmyname07:42
cschwede_IMO that's not helpful for operators, and AFAICT many don't run this in a translated language therefore (true for other software as well)07:42
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cschwede_so we're getting rid of this?07:43
notmynamecschwede_: if you're saying that translated logs aren't helpful I completely agree07:43
cschwede_could be a nice low-hanging-fruit07:43
cschwede_notmyname: that's what i wanted to say! :)07:43
notmyname(I acknowledge that the logs [and everything else] are in my native language, though)07:43
notmynameso from the links above it seems very clear that we can remove translations from log messages07:44
notmynamecschwede_: does that help make progess on these open bugs (you'd been working on at least one)07:44
patchbotpatch 339360 - swift - Make verbose unicode test output working07:45
cschwede_notmyname: i need to look again into that patch & bug, but sounds so07:45
mahaticIs that one related?07:45
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mahaticokay cschwede_ to look at it07:47
mahatic#topic open discussion07:47
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mahaticI think that's all we have on the agenda today. Anyone has other topics to bring up?07:48
acolesmight be worth linking to this when removing translations from our code07:49
patchbotpatch 446762 - oslo.i18n - add notes about skipping log translation setup (MERGED)07:49
notmynameor rather, as question07:49
cschwede_we also need to prepare the birthday party for patch 33729707:49
patchbot - swift - Add support to increase object ring partition power07:49
cschwede_it's getting one year in a few weeks!07:49
acolescschwede_: :/07:49
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mahaticoops, I thought you had linked to the merged composite ring patch07:50
mattoliveraucschwede_ congrats :)07:50
kota_mahatic: no, it's increase part power07:50
mattoliverauWe should def get it in. It's awesome07:50
mahaticyeah, I see that :)07:50
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mahaticit had a +2 from Pete on a last patchset07:51
cschwede_yes; i had to rebase it again because of a merge conflict07:51
kota_cschwede_: sorry, I know my global ec + composite ring had big conflicts with that07:51
kota_and thanks for working to update07:51
notmynamekota_: now that global ec patches have landed, does that mean you could look at composite rings?07:52
mattoliverauHad timburke finished looking? I noticed he was going back and forth for a while on it07:52
cschwede_kota_: no worries!07:52
acolesnotmyname: do you mean part power increase ^^ ?07:52
kota_notmyname: yeah, i could look at *the increase part power*07:52
cschwede_mattoliverau: maybe - he updated the patch a while ago and fixed a few things07:53
kota_that's fair07:53
notmynameyes, I mean part power increase :-)07:53
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mahaticI think we have another 5 mins07:54
acoleskota_: thanks!07:54
mahaticnotmyname: you had something to ask?07:54
notmynameit kinda got covered07:54
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acolesmore positive news ... we have in last few weeks landed composite ring support and per-policy affinity config which are both pieces of work that Kota started a long time ago :)07:55
rledisezas it's open discussion, I have two patches related to cname_lookup/domain_remap that got +2 from tim, waiting for a an other reviewer from +1 workflow :)07:56
kota_yey, thanks acoles for helping it's done!07:56
mahaticcongrats kota_ ! and of course everyone else who helped get it merged07:56
rledisezone is bugfix:
patchbotpatch 435771 - swift - Rewrite redirection in cname_lookup & domain_remap07:56
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rledisezand other a new feature:
patchbotpatch 435768 - swift - Allow to configure the nameservers in cname_lookup07:56
rledisezif anybody got some times to have a look, that would be awesome :)07:57
mattoliverauWill try :)07:57
rledisezthx mattoliverau07:58
acolesrledisez: I have them starred, will try to get round to them soon07:58
notmynamemattoliverau: you've already promised to loot at at least 2 others!07:58
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mattoliverauThat's why I said I'll try ;)07:58
mahaticI could try and look at one of those07:58
notmynamemahatic: thanks07:58
rledisezthx mahatic07:58
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mahaticokay, if that's all we have - let's conclude07:59
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mahaticthanks so much for coming, it was a great first start to a new TZ meeting :)07:59
acolesmahatic: well done!07:59
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mattoliverauNice work mahatic!07:59
rledisezthx mahatic for chairing07:59
kota_thanks mahatic!07:59
notmynamemahatic: thanks for chairing and leading the whole group to set this up!08:00
mahaticthank you too for making it a great start!08:00
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mahaticnotmyname: thanks for your help!08:00
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rhochmuth#startmeeting monasca14:01
openstackMeeting started Wed May 31 14:01:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'monasca'14:01
rhochmuthanyone here14:01
rhochmuthhi kamil_14:01
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rhochmuthi'm wondering if folks are going to make the new time14:01
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witekshould we wait a couple of minutes?14:02
rhochmuthAgenda for Wednesday May 31 2017 (14:00 UTC)14:02
rhochmuth1.Pike-2 milestone: June 814:02
rhochmuth2.Use RST for documentation14:02
rhochmuth◦publish to and developer.openstack.org14:02
rhochmuth3. Review/Opinion needed14:02
rhochmuthi guess14:02
rhochmuthwe might have to wait an hour14:02
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rhochmuthi'm guessing we should just get started14:03
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rhochmuthbefore i get started, i've had some requests about the upcoming PTG in Denver14:04
rhochmuththere are requests for space14:04
rhochmuthmy assumption is that we wouldn't have a critical mass at the PTG14:05
rhochmuthwas wondering what others thought14:05
rhochmuthit is basically an hour drive for me14:05
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rhochmuthso a travel request isn't necessary14:05
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witekso, the requests are from OpenStack Foundation?14:06
witekand with not having critical mass, you mean only few attendees, right?14:07
witekI will ask managers, till when should you know?14:08
rhochmuthvery soon14:08
rhochmuthlike right now14:08
rhochmuthas they are starting to designate space14:08
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rhochmuththe other possblity is to attend and meet with other projects in their space14:08
rhochmuthbut that would have to be coordinated ahead of time14:08
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rhochmuthfor example, if you were interested in working with another team on monasca integration14:09
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rhochmuthso, let's move on14:10
rhochmuth#topic Pike-2 milestone: June 814:10
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witekit would be important to know, who else could attend14:11
rhochmuthwitek: i agree14:11
rhochmuththere is no reason in attending if others won't be there14:11
witekI suggest to create a doodle14:11
witekand let people answer till like end of the week14:11
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witekwould that work?14:12
rhochmuthsince not many are at todays meeting it would have to be posted to openstack-dev14:12
witekI'll create one and send info to mailing list14:12
witekthen you can decide what we do14:13
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rhochmuth#topic Pike-2 milestone: June 814:13
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witekI can create tags this week, if everyone is OK with it14:14
rhochmuthso, besides tagging is there anything else for the upcoming milestone?14:14
rhochmuthi'm ok14:14
witeknext two weeks i'm in vacation14:14
rhochmuthohhh, better get tags done this week then14:14
witeki'm not aware of anything else what has to be done14:15
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rhochmuthok, then i guess we are good14:15
witekok, thanks14:15
rhochmuth#topic Use RST for documentation14:15
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witekwe have discussed internally, that it would be good to have all Monasca documentation in central OpenStack place14:16
witekmeaning and developer.openstack.org14:17
witekthere is quite some infrastructure to support publishing current documentation14:17
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witekand it is referenced together with other OpenStack projects14:17
witekwe could start with the content, that we have already14:18
witekthere is lots of useful documentation there14:18
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witekwhat we would have to do is reformat it to RST and configure gate jobs14:19
rhochmuthsounds good to me14:19
rhochmuthi'm not sure how this all works14:20
rhochmuthbut the monasca-log-api has all the rst docs at14:20
witekthey are not published though14:20
rhochmuthdo the rst docs just reference the md docs14:21
witekno, md docs would have to be reformatted14:21
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witekI think we could start with log-api and then follow-up with monasca-api14:22
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witekthat's it, we'll start working on it14:24
rhochmuthok, thanks14:25
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arturbso it is me14:25
rhochmuthhi arturb14:26
arturbhi ::)14:26
arturbthe problem was spotted by Jakub and he prepared the change14:26
arturbhe changed the offset to integer value according to the influxdb documentation14:26
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arturbwhere newest influxdb as he checked expects offset as an integer value14:27
arturbI only fixed the tempest test14:27
arturband also the question from me is: the java version of the api is deprecated and I only run modified test for python version14:28
rhochmuthso, doesn't the pagination for alarm history currently work simialr to metrics, based on a timestamp14:28
rhochmuththe java api is not deprecated14:28
arturbwe tried to test it with timestamp and api throws an error14:29
rhochmuthwe would like to deprecate the java api, but we havent' done that yet14:29
arturbso maybe somebody else could look at this14:29
rhochmuthsure, i'll need to dig in14:29
witekwasnt't it that monasca-ui set offset=0 for the first page and that throws exception?14:30
rhochmuthdid influxdb change the behaviour and we just didn't catch it14:30
rhochmuthi thought we had good coverage on the pagination tests14:30
arturbas I said the change was started by Jakub but currently he is on vacations thats why I modified tempests14:30
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rhochmuthwell, we can't jsut change what the api has specified14:31
rhochmuthand should work14:31
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rhochmuthi'll check with a couple of folks here to see can be done with influxdb14:32
arturbok thanks14:32
witekrhochmuth: thanks14:32
rhochmuthsince this is supposedely working with metrics, it should work with alarm state history the same way,14:32
rhochmuthi guess that is it for today14:33
rhochmuthunless there are other topics in closing14:33
rhochmuthi'll check with folks at the old place and time in half an hour14:34
witekI should still be there as well14:34
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rhochmuthok, thanks everyone14:34
rhochmuthsee you next week14:34
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smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed May 31 16:00:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
smcginnisping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor lhx_ baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov wxy16:00
smcginnisviks ketonne abishop sivn breitz16:00
diablo_rojoHello :)16:01
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smcginnisHey everyone16:01
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smcginnis#topic Announcements16:02
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jgriffithhola compadres16:02
smcginnis#info Pike-2 is next week16:02
smcginnisWe have a few driver reviews out there and a few specs that need attention before the cutoff.16:03
smcginnisPlease try to spend a little time on that if at all possible.16:03
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smcginnis#topic DocImpact and docs bugs16:03
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smcginnisBeen seeing this a lot so I wanted to bring it up here.16:04
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smcginnisPatches only need DocImpact tags if they need follow up documentation updates to openstack-manuals.16:04
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smcginnisAnd it is up to the patch submitter to do that work or get it to the right person to make the docs change.16:04
e0nesmcginnis: from my perspective, I prefer to assign these bugs to patch authors or close them16:04
smcginnisWe have a bunch of open docs bugs that are autoamtically generated from commits of these DocImpact patches that are just sitting out there.16:05
smcginnise0ne: Yep, that is how it should work16:05
smcginnisBut for a lot of them, it doesn't appear the patch authors know or care to do anything with them.16:05
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  So, I assume we still need them for config changes right.16:06
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smcginnisWhich either means there wasn't really a DocImpact, or they think the magic documentation fairies will just take care of everything.16:06
jungleboyjEven if they come with a release note.16:06
smcginnisjungleboyj: If there is an additional change to documentation that is needed.16:06
jungleboyjHe he.  Magic Documentation Fairies16:06
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Ok.16:06
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smcginnisMost config options automatically get generated in the tables. So unless there is something more to document about them, there's not really a doc impact.16:07
smcginnisWould love to see those implemented or closed. ^16:08
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smcginnis#topic Additional options to NFS backend16:08
e0nesmcginnis: in such case, we have to be attentive during review such patches16:08
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Ah, thank you.  The info about them be auto generated is helpful.16:08
smcginnisjsuchome: Sorry, one second then it's all yours. :)16:08
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* jsuchome can wait :-)16:09
smcginnise0ne: Attentive in what way?16:09
jgriffithsmcginnis what about the config guide/docs?16:09
e0nesmcginnis: to not add docimpact flag if only release notes are needed16:09
smcginnise0ne: +116:09
jungleboyje0ne:  That was why I was asking.  :-)16:10
jgriffithsmcginnis for example.
jungleboyjI may have been an offender there.16:10
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smcginnisjgriffith: The config pages that just list a table of the config options will be automatically updated. But if you want to add text describing how it should be used or any notes, then that should have the DocImpact and follow up docs submission.16:10
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  I will try to look through the list of docs bugs and see which ones can maybe just be closed or are easy fixes.16:11
jgriffithsmcginnis excellent, thanks :)16:11
* jungleboyj did say I would be the docs liaison16:11
smcginnisjsuchome: OK, sorry about that. The floor is yours.16:11
jgriffithI was unaware we got that automated now :)16:11
jungleboyjjgriffith:  +116:11
jgriffithalthough... nope it's not.  But I'll look at that offline16:12
jsuchomeI basically wanted to ask, what's the correct way of providing extra NFS options to cinder backend - documentation seems to mention 2 ways16:12
bswartzdid you see the ML reply from eharney?16:12
jsuchomealso the cinder code is using both (cinder.nfs_mount_options, option in the file cinder.nfs_shares_config)16:12
eharneywhich documentation are you looking at?  i'd like to see if it looks correct16:12
jsuchomeoh, there was a reply? let me check16:13
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jungleboyjjsuchome:  cinder.nfs_shares_config is only used if there isn't an IP of a nas server in cinder.conf .16:13
jsuchomeI've linked the documentation links in my mail16:13
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jsuchomeis used, or is supposed to be used?16:14
eharneyi'll look at updating the config-reference/block-storage docs, i think they need to be revamped a bit16:14
jsuchomethis piece of code takes whatever is written there and passes it further as the optiobns16:14
eharneyfor the nfs driver16:14
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jungleboyjeharney:  Agreed.  I don't thinks those were ever updated after I changed the way that nfs_shares_config is or is not used.16:15
smcginnisSpeaking of NFS, CI jobs have been failing for awhile now.16:15
jsuchomeeharney: ok, so you're saying putting options into nfs_shares_config config should be obsolere16:15
jungleboyjsmcginnis: :-(16:15
jsuchomebut what about nova?16:16
eharneyjsuchome: Nova will mount the export with the info that Cinder provides it, i believe16:16
jsuchomewhen volume is being attached, nova knows about the options that were in nfs_shares_config, but not about nfs_mount_options16:16
jsuchomeexactly, but Cinder does not provide those from nfs_mount_options16:17
jsuchomeat least not in my tests16:17
jsuchomeso this might be a bug16:17
jungleboyjnfs_mount_options should only be used if nfs_shares_config is not being used.16:17
jungleboyjLet me look here.16:17
jsuchomewell, there's definitely nothing in the code that prevents such usage16:18
jungleboyjIf I remember correctly, if nas_host and nas_share_path are specified it should not use nfs_shares_config .16:19
jungleboyjThen the nfs_mount_options will be used.16:19
eharneyi'm not sure about that16:19
jungleboyjeharney:   I am pretty sure I have set that up.16:20
eharneythere's nas_mount_options and nfs_mount_options -- i think that's true for nas_mount_options, not sure about the other16:20
jungleboyjI don't think I used nas_mount_options16:20
jungleboyjI would have to go try it again to be sure though.16:20
eharneyat any rate it looks like we need to re-evaluate the config for this driver and polish it up a bit16:20
jungleboyjeharney:  ++ and make sure the documentation matches16:20
cFoutseharney +116:21
smcginnisAnd fix the CI problem. :)16:21
* eharney looks to see what the CI problem is16:22
smcginnisjsuchome: Anything else?16:22
jungleboyjIn fact, I know the nas_host/nas_share_path isn't documented properly as I have gone and looked for that in the documentation and couldn't find it.16:22
jsuchomeso should I file a bug report that nfs_mount_options are not passed to nova?16:22
jungleboyjjsuchome:  Can you make the bug more generic?16:22
cFoutsI thought nas_mount_options were preferred over using nfs_mount_options16:23
eharneysmcginnis: oh, the compute service policy is still messed up16:23
smcginniseharney: Oh, right.16:23
jungleboyjjsuchome:  NFS config options not documented/working as expected and indicate that the nfs_shares_config isn't used as documented and that it doesn't appear nfs_mount_options are passed along.16:23
eharneycFouts: i think so, but we can sort that out in a thorough review in the bug16:23
jsuchomeI think I haven16:23
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jungleboyjeharney:  and I can use it to get things cleaned up.16:24
jsuchomejungleboyj: ok, that sounds good, I'll do it16:24
jungleboyjeharney:  smcginnis  Are you guys ok with that plan?16:24
smcginnisjungleboyj: +1 from me.16:24
eharneysure, i'll help sort out what the end goal should be here and help figure out the details16:24
eharneywe need to start issuing deprecation messages for nfs_shares_config if we aren't already, and aim at getting rid of it, this transition started quite a while ago16:25
jsuchome(but yes, nas options seem to have higher priority: , not that it is relevant to my case)16:25
mdovgaljungleboyj, Coolio with his gangsta's paradise? :D16:25
eharneythe nas_* options have higher priority because the goal was to have the same options for a handful of similar drivers called nas_* rather than having numerous duplicated options16:26
* jungleboyj keeps spending most my life, Livin' in a gangsta's paradise16:26
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jungleboyjeharney: ++16:27
smcginnisSounds like we have a plan. Good to move on?16:27
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jsuchomeI'm good16:27
jungleboyjMove along.  Nothing to see here.16:28
smcginnis#action jungleboyj to work on bug report from jsuchome16:28
smcginnis#topic Recruiting awesome Block-Heads to help with fuxi-golang16:28
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smcginnisjgriffith: fuxit16:28
jgriffithSo not sure how many people are already aware... but fuxi is a kuryr project that has provided a means to plug Cinder into a Docker environment16:29
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  That is fuxed up.16:29
e0nejgriffith: I don't know what is fuxi-golang, but I'm interesting in everything related to standalone16:29
jgriffithsimilar to the cinder-docker-volume-plugin stuff16:29
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apuimedoit's pronounced Foo She16:29
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e0nejgriffith: I'll be glad to help you with it16:29
smcginnisNot in my head. ;)16:29
jgriffithnow, I know that there are several of us here that are doing Docker and K8's work on the side16:29
jgriffithsmcginnis +1 :)16:29
apuimedosmcginnis: :D16:29
jgriffithWith the foundation for stand-alone cinder and some other things going on16:30
apuimedothe idea is to consolidate the efforts just like in Neutron we did with Kuryr16:30
apuimedo(fuxi also enables manila shares to be accessible as Docker vols)16:30
jgriffithI am hoping it might be a good time to take another shot at building a community around some of this work, inparticular fooshi (I'll just spell it that way to keep jungleboyj under control)16:30
jungleboyjjgriffith:  Hey know.  I can be good.16:31
Swansonjgriffith, don't ruin our fun.16:31
jgriffithjungleboyj no you can't :)16:31
jungleboyjjgriffith:  Ok, you are right.16:31
jgriffithso there's efforts underway to make cinder and manilla usable as standalone components in K8s16:31
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xyangjgriffith: isn't there already a cinder driver in K8s?16:32
jgriffithbut there are also some base layers that we kinda need, like a cinder-volume-plugin and most importantly a version of os-brick that we can port to a golang pkg16:32
apuimedoxyang: you mean the cloud provider?16:32
jgriffithxyang yes as the cloud-provider16:32
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jgriffithxyang work is also underway to make a standalone cinder and manila option as well16:32
jgriffithie bare-metal with cinder/manila16:33
xyangapuimedo, jgriffith: ok, I didn't realize that's different from this effort16:33
e0nejgriffith: I was asked about golang version of os-brick from by k8s community too16:33
jgriffithanyway... what I'm trying to gauge is is there enough interest in Cinder members to help out with this?16:33
apuimedoxyang: the idea is to support baremetal as well, yes16:33
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apuimedoside by side k8s and openstack is a big use case16:33
xyangapuimedo: ok, thanks16:33
apuimedoyou're welcome16:33
jgriffithrather than continue to fragment, it would be kinda cool if we all pitched in a bit16:34
apuimedoe0ne: interesting16:34
* dims peeks16:34
apuimedohongbin: is starting gos-brick16:34
jgriffithit's really not that much work to be honest16:34
apuimedo'g' standing for golang16:34
apuimedogos means dog in my language, so I approve of the anem16:34
jgriffithbut if everybody continues to do their own thing it just means more fragmentation16:34
smcginnisapuimedo: Hah!16:34
e0nejgriffith: +116:34
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e0nejgriffith: It wouyld be great to start this topic in openstack-dev@ too16:35
apuimedoso the goal would be to get a strong core team for the fuxi effort from cinder folks16:35
jgriffithe0ne can do16:35
apuimedoand to build this together16:35
smcginnisjgriffith: The repo is started for gos-brick. Once we start getting some code ported over there, I think that's a good first area folks can help contrubute to.16:35
smcginnisapuimedo: +116:36
jgriffithso I'm curious... anybody here interested (I mean seriously interested, not just "oh that's neat")?16:36
e0nesmcginnis, jgriffith: can you share a link, please?16:36
e0nejgriffith: I'm interesting in it16:36
jgriffithWe already have a golang version of Cinder-volumem plugin here:
smcginnise0ne: This repo was just created:
jgriffithjust need to update, openstackify it and create a brick pkg16:36
e0nejgriffith: and even can find time for this activity :)16:36
smcginnisSo no code yet.16:36
e0nesmcginnis: thanks16:36
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jgriffithhonestly, shouldn't we have it all under a single repo and just seperate pkgs?16:37
apuimedojgriffith: I think you mentioned as well to have the fuxi flavored options16:37
e0nesmcginnis: does it mean that Foundation officially accept golang?16:37
jgriffithe0ne yes16:37
e0neI remember that mail thread bout goland and swift16:37
dimse0ne : working towards it. yes. (TC not foundation)16:37
jgriffithFoundation was never the detracting opinion16:37
jgriffithdims +116:38
smcginnisjgriffith: The advantage I see in having it separate would be if there would end up being other go based projects needing to do something with it.16:38
jungleboyjjgriffith:  Yeah, having different repos seems more complicated.16:38
e0nedims, jgriffith: cool, thanks!16:38
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jgriffithsmcginnis fair, TBH though go lets you stuff multiple pkgs in a single rep and pull just what you want, but I don't have a strong enough feeling on this to worry about it :)16:38
smcginnisjgriffith: True. I guess it's just a difference between go and python we're not really used ot.16:39
jgriffithsmcginnis ok... so forget that part, more important part here is level of interest from folks like _alastor_ patrickeast xyang e0ne geguileo etc16:39
jgriffithalthough xyang might have some political things around that16:39
xyangjgriffith: nothing political:)16:40
jgriffithsmcginnis I arleady have your vote :)16:40
geguileojgriffith: I'd probably be interested if I had any time   :-(16:40
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smcginnisgeguileo: You don't! :P16:40
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jgriffithsomebody create another clone of geguileo :)16:40
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geguileoyes, please!!16:41
xyangjgriffith: I'm interested, just can't tell you how much time I can spend on it yet16:41
jgriffithSo to be clear, we'd need some work on the fuxi parts, but more importantly IMO is starting to make sure we put some effort into the stand-alone cinder model16:41
* jungleboyj creates a work item for geguileo cloning16:41
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e0negeguileo: I'm waiting for your blog post about pros and cons on how to be cloned16:41
smcginnisjgriffith: Good point. There are a few efforts here that all need to come together.16:41
jgriffithsmcginnis right16:42
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jgriffiththe big question is if there's enough interest from cinder team to get to the end result to begin with16:42
apuimedojgriffith: can you expand on the 'stand-alone cinder model'?16:42
jgriffithif there is, I can start working on documenting/outlining the things I think are needed16:42
e0nejgriffith: I hope, the answer from the most of us will be 'yes'16:43
smcginnisjgriffith: So I think there's enough interest. For now, let's just try to do periodic updates in the Cinder meeting to keep the awareness up and folks can jump in when/where they can.16:43
jgriffithapuimedo are you familiar with stand-alone cinder?16:43
jgriffithor is that the question :)16:43
e0nejgriffith: feel free to ask me if anuy help is needed16:43
jungleboyjI know we have interest.16:43
apuimedojgriffith: isn't it just cinder without keystone?16:43
smcginnisjgriffith: +1 for documenting a plan.16:43
jgriffithsmcginnis +116:43
jgriffithapuimedo it's cinder with/without keystone and without nova16:43
e0neapuimedo: w/o keystone and w/o nova too16:43
jgriffiththat's the bare-metal piece I mentioned16:43
jgriffithor triple-o16:44
jgriffithor *insert-your-consumer-here*16:44
apuimedojgriffith: ok. Similar to what we do with Kuryr, just that we keep Keystone practically always16:44
jgriffithapuimedo yeah, there are good reasons to keep keystone :)16:44
apuimedocomfort being a big one16:44
e0neapuimedo: the main point of stanalone cinder was to make it work without nova16:45
apuimedoe0ne: then it is the same goal fuxi and kuryr have16:45
apuimedo(fuxi for cinder and manila, kuryr for neutron)16:45
e0neapuimedo: cool16:45
apuimedowe started with baremetal16:45
dims++ apuimedo16:45
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jgriffithso I think there's a lot of value in this, not only for all of us with storage devices, but also for Cinder as a community and for customers16:45
apuimedonow we support also things like Pods inside VMs16:45
e0nejgriffith: +116:46
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jgriffithapuimedo +116:46
jungleboyjjgriffith:  +116:46
jgriffithso just to be clear, what this means is that anything that *works* in Cinder, works in container environments16:47
jgriffithand it's backed by the community, rather than a single vendor/company16:47
smcginnisBig +116:47
apuimedoHow we do this in kuryr is that we have a repo for the base stuff and then we have repos for integrations. With Golang you'd probably 'vendor' the base component16:47
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jgriffithapuimedo vendor as in glide or godeps you mean?16:48
* jgriffith is confused16:48
jgriffithapuimedo OH!16:48
jgriffithNo... cinder's different16:48
jgriffithwe don't have external *things* with cinder16:48
apuimedojgriffith: I meant things like gos-brick16:49
jgriffithapuimedo ahh!  Yes, ok16:49
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apuimedoand if we come up with subset functionality that can be used both by docker and by k8s integrations, it's also a candidate16:49
jgriffithalright, well at least we seem to have a few people here interested16:50
apuimedo(depends on whether people are interested in using the docker volume api for the k8s integration or prefer a more runtime agnostic approach really)16:50
smcginnisjgriffith: A good start.16:50
jgriffithmaybe start some work and communications and get things rolling?16:50
smcginnisjgriffith: Sounds like a good plan to me.16:50
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patrickeastlate to the party, but im definitely interested... combines all my latest.. uh.. hobbies16:50
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jgriffithpatrickeast phewww... I needed at least you or _alastor_ before feeling warm and fuzzy16:51
apuimedojgriffith: so, if I took my notes right, the action items are to send a message about this to the ML16:51
apuimedoand then coordinate with zengchen to make a core team16:51
apuimedo(and hongbin for the gos-brick)16:51
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jgriffithapuimedo I suppose that's needed... or just start hacking and see where we go16:52
jgriffithearn core16:52
apuimedojgriffith: we need a starting team with good CInder knowledge16:52
apuimedootherwise I'll have to review too many things I'm not good at16:53
jgriffithapuimedo yep, we have myself, smcginnis patrickeast e0ne and maybe xyang16:53
apuimedoI wish I could be of more help, but my extent of storage knowledge ends at nfs and lvm16:53
jgriffithoff to a pretty good start :)16:53
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jungleboyjapuimedo:  That is all you need.  ;-)16:53
jgriffithneed to figure out if manila folks are interested or not16:53
xyangjgriffith: you are not afraid that I'll reject things for political reasons?:)16:53
jgriffithjungleboyj +116:53
jgriffithxyang never!16:53
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dimsjgriffith : smcginnis : apuimedo : please post the outline to -dev@ this sounds like great start16:54
apuimedojgriffith: indeed. We should reach out as well. I know the huawei guys want manila since they already have it in16:54
jgriffithdims will do16:54
jgriffithI'll take that action item16:54
apuimedobut getting manila cores involved would be the best16:54
apuimedothank jgriffith16:54
dimsthanks jgriffith16:54
jgriffith#action jgriffith outline plan/steps and send to ML16:54
jgriffiththat trick never works16:54
tbarronputting this on the manila weekly meeting agenda would make sense16:54
smcginnisjgriffith: Hah!16:54
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smcginnisWe have tbarron here - what more do we need? :)16:55
smcginnisOK, 5 minutes. Anything else?16:55
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abishopI've got one - any thoughts on updating cinderclient so it defaults to API v3?16:55
apuimedotbarron: :-)16:55
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smcginnis#topic Open discussion16:55
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smcginnisabishop: I thought we should wait at least another cycle.16:56
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smcginnisJust to make sure v3 has a little more time to actually make it out there.16:56
abishopsmcginnis, I thought v2 was reported as deprecated16:57
SwansonWhat horrible thing is going on with iscsi?16:57
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smcginnisabishop: Yes, as of Pike.16:57
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smcginnisabishop: But the client is used for existing deployments too, so I think we're kind in a weird interim spot right now.16:57
abishopsmcginnis, so if v2 is deprecated, not sure why cinderclient shouldn't move on to v316:57
smcginnisabishop: Well, if you want go ahead and propose a change. We can see what other folks have to say about it.16:58
smcginnisI'm not really sure what the best answer is.16:58
abishopsmcginnis, will do and see how it flies16:58
smcginnisabishop: Sounds good. :)16:58
smcginnisOK, thanks everyone.16:59
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e0nesee you next week16:59
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bh526r#startmeeting gluon18:00
openstackMeeting started Wed May 31 18:00:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at
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bh526r#topic Roll Call18:00
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bh526r#info Bin Hu18:00
pcarver#info Paul Carver18:00
bh526rHi Paul18:00
jinliHi all18:01
jinli#info JinLi18:01
bh526rHi Jin18:01
bh526rPaul, I kept on receiving emails regarding ice cream social, pop corn social etc. in New Jersey :)18:02
bh526rYou guys are cool18:02
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bh526rLooks like only 3 of us18:03
pcarverYeah, apparently the new organization has an admin who sends that sort of stuff to everyone18:03
bh526r#topic Admin Update18:03
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bh526rI wish she could ship some to me :)18:03
bh526r#info No admin update18:04
bh526r#topic Pike Release Update18:04
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bh526rJin, I tried to merge Version management patch
bh526rBut failed in Jenkins18:05
jinliyes, I am looking at it18:05
jinlilooks like both of my patches fail on the same error18:05
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bh526rThat's right.18:06
bh526rRecheck didn't work18:06
jinliNoSuchOptError: no such option api in group [DEFAULT]18:06
bh526rWas it because of some sort of deprecated lib in other projects, like oslo?18:06
bh526rVery strange error18:07
jinlidon't know yet,18:07
jinlineed to look more into it18:07
jinliI think it could be deprecated lib18:07
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bh526ror related to doc utils18:08
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bh526rCan you also ping Tin and see if he has clue?18:08
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jinliI will18:08
jinliI think he also rechecked my patches yesteray18:09
jinliwill talk to him later today18:09
bh526rYes, he did. But didn't work18:09
bh526rsounds good.18:09
jinlihopefully we can find out whats going on by end of day18:09
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bh526rthat will be awesome :)18:10
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bh526rNot sure if Ian is here or not18:10
bh526rWe need his update regarding more details proposal of integrating with Neutron18:11
bh526rAnd Sukhdev18:11
bh526rArmando gave some comments on his 2 RFEs regarding Neutron improvement18:12
pcarverI still don't really understand Ian's explanation of why we need a network type field that's separate from the already existing network_type field18:13
bh526rWe need Sukhdev's further action18:13
bh526rHis explanation is that semantically, we cannot mix 2 types of networks in one field18:13
bh526rso existing network_type field is for different types of L2 networks18:14
pcarveryeah, I understood the words but don't see what the reason is18:14
bh526rAnd a new network type field for new L3 networks18:14
pcarverI don't see where it is stated that network_type can only hold L2 values18:14
pcarverother than Ian saying it I mean18:14
bh526rIt doesn't say, but current usage is for L218:14
pcarverI've hear Ian say it many times, but I haven't heard anyone else say it, nor seen it in any documentation18:15
bh526rIt is not documented, I guess because it is designed for L2 at the beginning, so I assume it didn't mention it because it was a no-brainer at that time18:16
bh526rBut the usage, and current values are all for L218:16
bh526rSo if we put L3 values there, it could be confusing18:17
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bh526rSo Ian thinks it is a cleaner method to have a new network type field dedicated to L3 networks18:18
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krenczewskiHi, sorry I am late18:19
bh526rHi Kamil, how are you?18:19
bh526rThank you for joining18:19
krenczewskiI was on week vacation18:19
krenczewskiGreat, thanks :-)18:19
bh526rHow is your vacation?18:19
pcarverI guess we should find out if any neutron cores are confused. The review comment seemed more confused by why we would want to add an additional network type field.18:19
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bh526rThat's right.18:20
pcarverUnless there are actual problems in the code, it would seem simpler to write some documentation that explains what the valid values of the existing field are and document that it can distinguish both L2 and L3 network types18:20
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pcarverOtherwise we need to write documentation explaining the difference between the two network type fields or that'll cause confusion as well.18:21
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bh526rConfusing one way or the other. So documentation is critical here18:21
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bh526rWe need to see more details from Ian and Sukhdev regarding their new thoughts of how to integrate with Neutron.18:22
bh526rThen we can revisit those 2 RFEs, and revise our approach18:22
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bh526r@krenczewski, welcome back, and hope you have had great time on your vacation18:23
bh526rWhat is your plan for next week (after you are back :)?18:24
krenczewskiIt was great, I am working now on documenting the whole Contrail installation process18:24
bh526rThank you18:24
krenczewskiIt is not so easy to do everything right to deploy contrail so it works18:25
krenczewskiIt may be that I forgot about something and need to look into same topic again18:25
bh526rThat's right, lots of complex configurations to deploy Contrail to make it work.18:25
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krenczewskiAnyway I am making constant progress18:26
bh526r:) It always happens. So documentation is very important18:26
krenczewskiAnd I can see the finish line in couple next days18:26
bh526rGreat, thank you.18:26
krenczewskiI hope I am correct with my estimations18:26
pcarverkrenczewski: I'll try following your instructions and let you know if anything doesn't work18:27
krenczewskiOK Paul, I'll let you know when I finish18:27
bh526r#info Kamil is working documenting the deployment process to make Contrail work with Gluon framework18:27
bh526r#info Ian and Sukhdev are working on more details regarding how to integrate with Neutron18:28
bh526r#info There are recent comments on 2 RFEs18:28
bh526r#info After Ian and Sukhdev finish those details, we will revisit those 2 RFEs, and revise our approach if needed18:29
bh526r#info Jin is debugging the Jenkins failure18:29
bh526rAnything else from anybody?18:30
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bh526rIf nothing else, we may finish earlier today, and give back everyone 30 minutes18:31
bh526rPaul can enjoy ice cream, pop corn, or whatever social :)18:31
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bh526r#info Meeting adjourned18:32
bh526rThank you everyone, and hope we will have more to share and discuss next week18:32
bh526rBye all18:32
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zara_the_lemur__pizza time!18:58
zara_the_lemur__erm, I mean, storyboard meeting18:58
zara_the_lemur__anybody about?18:59
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* zara_the_lemur__ gives it a couple of minutes18:59
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zara_the_lemur__you can't rush pizza time18:59
zara_the_lemur__#startmeeting storyboard19:00
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zara_the_lemur__#topic Announcements19:00
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fungii was hoping for actual pizza19:00
zara_the_lemur__sorry :(19:00
zara_the_lemur__I have one over here in the uk19:00
zara_the_lemur__if that's any consolation19:00
zara_the_lemur__there are no announcements19:00
fungifax me a slice19:00
SotKI have pasta, which is nearly as good19:00
diablo_rojoHello :)19:01
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zara_the_lemur__except for the announcement that there is no pizza in this meeting but might be some obtainable outside of it19:01
zara_the_lemur__#topic Urgent Items19:01
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zara_the_lemur__Anybody got an urgent item?19:01
fungiseems like no19:01
* zara_the_lemur__ will move on to in-progress then19:02
zara_the_lemur__#topic In-Progress Work19:02
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zara_the_lemur__Okay I am aware there is a tonnne of stuff in review I have been sorely neglecting19:02
zara_the_lemur__I have this evening marked out as 'task-tracking software evening'19:02
zara_the_lemur__so tonight's gonna be a good night19:02
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fungiyou're going to need that pizza19:03
zara_the_lemur__I want to get those boards-speedups patches in19:03
zara_the_lemur__and am acutely conscious I've been saying that for way too long19:04
zara_the_lemur__I did look at the lp branching patch last week and left a coupla comments; idk if anybody else has had time to look at that19:04
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* SotK will look at that tonight19:05
zara_the_lemur__and we got a partial fix to the 400 of doom in over the last few weeks, that I forgot to make a fuss of; thanks SotK!19:05
fungiyes! i haven't seen it hit me for a few weeks now, thanks a bunch!19:05
zara_the_lemur__yay, I was about to ask if you'd seen fewer questions about that one!19:06
fungiwell, in particular the triggered refresh it seems to perform hasn't caused me any surprise (i almost don't even notice)19:06
zara_the_lemur__yeah, people will still get logged out, but that's something a lot of sites do, I think19:06
zara_the_lemur__so hopefully it'll scare people less19:06
fungiright, perfectly acceptable as far as i'm concerned19:07
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zara_the_lemur__thanks again SotK for sorting that19:07
SotKyw :)19:07
fungiawesome work19:08
zara_the_lemur__:) all my 'in progress' atm is review; anyone else have anything they would like to draw attention to?19:08
diablo_rojoIndeed! Much appreciated19:08
SotKits very satisfying being able to click a link to storyboard and not have to re-click immediately after19:08
SotKI think I have nothing else19:08
* diablo_rojo thinks hers has been reviewed but hasnt gotten around to updating again..19:08
funginothing on my end19:08
fungithe imports last week (that was last week, right?) seemed to go fine19:09
zara_the_lemur__yeah, last week19:09
zara_the_lemur__though I feel like I have no sense of time at the moment19:09
fungidiablo_rojo: we did get a followup question from one of the recent migrations... "what should i do on lp after migrating" is something we likely need to cover in our migration documentation19:09
zara_the_lemur__I'm glad they went fine :)19:10
zara_the_lemur__we did see somebody in #storyboard asking what they should do if they later wanted to make a cross-project story with a project that hadn't migrated yet19:10
fungiwith general suggestions about how to close down the ability to open new lp bugs, updating project description on lp with a direct link to the new tracker, updating your readme or contributing files with similar changes, et cetera19:10
zara_the_lemur__(well specifically, they were wondering if sb supported that)19:10
diablo_rojofungi, yeah I saw that, I will need to start mentioning that too when I reach out/coordinate dates19:11
zara_the_lemur__(which it doesn't, and I don't know how it would)19:11
fungion that one i would say sb "supports" it insofar as you can stick hyperlinks in comments of the story and the lp bug report pointing at one another19:11
zara_the_lemur__that's true19:11
fungireally more of a workaround, but whatever19:11
zara_the_lemur__yeah, I'm vaguely wondering if there could be a nicer ui for that, but I also don't know who would do it19:12
diablo_rojoLP is FULL of workarounds19:12
diablo_rojoso they should be used to that19:12
fungithe solution is to get the rest of the teams to migrate as far as i'm concerned19:12
diablo_rojofungi, +119:12
diablo_rojoI reached out to TripleO, Tacker, and Octavia last week and havent heard back yet19:12
zara_the_lemur__ace, thank you19:12
fungieventually, down the road, it could make sense for stories to have a bucket for external references where you could link to other bug trackers19:13
zara_the_lemur__yeah, I've always wanted that19:13
zara_the_lemur__(and of course the converse, for when every other tracker is like 'WE NEED TO SUPPORT STORYBOARD')19:13
zara_the_lemur__(I have big dreams =D)19:13
fungisome trackers (including lp) have some limited ability to even track statuses of bugs reported in external trackers, though more useful there since their primary use case was tracking bugs in ubuntu which often needed to depend on upstream reports in various other software off-lp19:13
zara_the_lemur__also I think I tested Octavia but not the others there, idk if anybody else has19:14
fungiif sb implemented something like that at some point, i wouldn't object but i really don't think it's a necessity for our use case19:14
zara_the_lemur__yeah, it's on my 'nice to have' pile because we've been asked a few times 'is it possible to import bugs from $otherthing'?19:15
zara_the_lemur__and generally importing is more complex than just watching some statuses or similar19:15
fungiwhat people mostly want in that case is not so much importing as reflecting19:16
zara_the_lemur__though I suppose once they're reflected in one way, there'd be a 'can we put them in a board' etc19:17
fungiright, like "shadow" stories or tasks19:17
zara_the_lemur__yeah, I think after some point the import script would start to look like the simpler option for those19:18
zara_the_lemur__but I'm just guessing really19:18
fungiit does certainly stretch the current data model a lot oterwise19:19
zara_the_lemur__#topic Open Discussion19:20
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zara_the_lemur__we were already openly discussing19:20
zara_the_lemur__so I have updated the log19:20
* SotK certainly thinks that migration scripts would be an easier solution for such use cases19:20
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zara_the_lemur__I don't think I have any discussion topics of my own this week19:22
zara_the_lemur__anybody else?19:22
* SotK doesn't19:22
diablo_rojoNope. Just need to dig in,19:22
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zara_the_lemur__in that case, I propose we end the meeting so I can get round to faxing fungi that slice of pizza19:23
diablo_rojoFax me one too please :)19:23
zara_the_lemur__step 1) locate a fax machine19:23
zara_the_lemur__step 2) learn how to use it19:24
fungii'll be listening for the fax noises19:24
zara_the_lemur__step 3) work out the whole 'it's a pizza' thing19:24
* fungi is sure he has a fax lying around here somewhere still19:24
fungiduct tape a scanner, printer and modem together. instant fax machine19:25
zara_the_lemur__photo of the pizza and definitely not a random picture I just found on the internet19:25
fungiit's a long-standing (though perhaps long-forgotten?) techie joke19:25
* zara_the_lemur__ will end the meeting now19:26
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zara_the_lemur__thanks, everyone! :)19:26
fungithanks zara_the_lemur__!19:26
zara_the_lemur__pizza should be on its way, not sure how fast this fax works19:27
SotKthanks zara_the_lemur__ :)19:27
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notmynameswift team meeting time21:00
notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
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notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
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claygyo yo yo21:00
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notmynameI feel like I just talked to half of you ;-)21:01
notmynamejeffli: were you aware of the swift meeting that was 14 hours ago?21:01
notmynamejeffli: probably a much better meeting time for your time zone :-)21:02
notmynameanyway, that's one of the topics for *this* meeting today21:02
jeffliyeah. but I had an unexpected meeting at that time.21:02
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notmynameme too!21:02
notmynameactually, no. I expected it21:02
notmynamemeeting agenda page is...21:03
tdasilvanotmyname: you had conflicts meetings at midnight?21:03
notmynameyeah. sleep ;-)21:03
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notmynamealso video games21:03
joeljwrightpfft, sleep21:03
notmynamethere's a few things to go over in this meeting today, so let's get started21:03
notmyname#topic last meeting follow-ups21:04
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notmynameok, meta comment: "this meeting" "next meeting" and "last meeting" are now confusing21:04
clayghar har21:04
notmynamepersonally, I do not want to have a "main" meeting and "alternate" meeting21:04
notmynameso I've been referring to them as the 0700 meeting and the 2100 meeting21:04
notmyname(this is the 2100 meeting)21:05
notmynameok, so last 2100 meeting follow-ups21:05
clayg^ nice21:05
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notmynameagain, no status updates on writing things down for the pike goals. but I'll keep it on the agenda to keep guilting myself about it21:05
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notmynamerledisez: last week you promised charts and graphs about memory consuption. did you and/or jeffli get a chance to work on that?21:06
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acolesnotmyname: I think I promised you a patch on the uwsgi goal21:06
acolesnotmyname: but I haven't done it ... yet21:06
rlediseznotmyname: not on my side, we were off most of the week21:06
claygi promise nothing21:06
rlediseznotmyname: for next we should have them21:06
notmynamerledisez: ..and a mailing list discussion21:06
claygrledisez: that's the ticket!21:06
notmynamegreat, thanks21:06
notmynameacoles: ok :-)21:06
jefflime neither21:07
rlediseznotmyname: same for mailing discussion, we'll start it by the end of this week21:07
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notmynamethe ML discussion was the share that memory info (and the related discussion about which LOSF scheme to use), right?21:07
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rledisezyes, so that anyone can follow progression and choices and give insight21:08
notmynameok, perfect21:08
claygso perfect21:08
notmynameI'll look for that ML thread from rledisez and jeffli this week21:08
claygrledisez: is a hero21:08
notmynameplease let me know if you need any help on it21:08
claygjeffli: is a hero21:08
mattoliverauYay to heros21:08
notmynameok, next up21:09
claygnotmyname: is a facilitator of global communication21:09
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notmynamepatch 466255 from tdasilva and cschwede_21:09
patchbot - swift - Make mount_check option usable in containerized en...21:09
* clayg hi-five's mattoliverau for assistance with the running commentary 21:09
notmynameand we were waiting for comments from cschwede_21:09
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cschwede_uhm, what do you want to hear?21:10
notmyname...which it looks like we have?21:10
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mattoliverauclayg: it's you and me buddy21:10
notmynamethere was one question about the re-instroduction of the lstat() call?21:10
notmynamenot that the comment needs to be updated, but are we ok with the additional call?21:11
cschwede_well, it's adding one lstat, but then it's only happening when you have an unmounted or failed disk21:11
cschwede_it should not happen when you're running outside containers with healthy disks21:11
notmynameI like "the normal case is unaffected"21:12
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notmynameso clayg already had a +2 on it21:12
notmynameand IIRC is still good with it21:12
cschwede_right, normal usecases should'nt be affected at all (hopefully?)21:12
notmynametdasilva: can you please remove your -2 cork?21:13
notmynamezaitcev has a +121:13
tdasilvanotmyname: sure21:13
notmynameso we need another core to review it (zaitcev or otherwise)21:13
cschwede_i mean if someone has a better idea for containers, i'm happy to hear about it - i didn't see one so far21:13
notmynamewell, the big question is "were the concerns over the stat call addressed?"21:13
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cschwede_clayg? ^^21:14
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tdasilvaclayg: cschwede_: is there a more 'elegant' solution? the bug clayg linked seemed to detail a better way to solve this21:15
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tdasilvaso maybe we could have a short term and long term solution?21:15
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tdasilvaI know clayg was also concerned about doing things just for containers21:16
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claygI think mostly the stat syscall (which returns false for everyone except cschwede_'s containers) will mostly be cached/quick - I wouldn't worry about it if I thought there was no way solve the use-case with out it21:16
cschwede_well, as written in the comments - doing stats has some benefits, because it detects broken disks that are still mounted (probably not always, but at least sometimes)21:17
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notmynamethe docstring implies that if we add the lstat() back in, we might as well use the python version of it instead of our own (but I haven't looked at python's in a long time)21:17
claygtdasilva: not worried about "doing things just for containers" - worried about "trying to do the *right* thing being slower than just 'doing the first obvious thing that seems to work for containers' (and also then that slowness causing contempt or alienating potential contributions)"21:18
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cschwede_no, that's different afaict - that's another lstat in "normal" cases iirc21:18
cschwede_notmyname: ^^21:18
notmynamecschwede_: ah ok21:18
notmynameok, so for this meeting, we've got it sorted, and we need another reviewer. shall we ping zaitcev about it? or does someone else want to volunteer?21:19
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notmynametdasilva: thanks21:19
cschwede_thx Thiago!21:20
notmynameok, last thing in the follow-up section is "composite ring"21:21
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notmynameand that's landed!21:21
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notmyname#topic 0700 meeting update21:22
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notmynameall right. report on the first 0700 meeting21:22
tdasilvanotmyname: quick question for kota_ and other folks working on composite rings21:22
tdasilvawhat's left for the global EC work?21:23
notmynameyeah, what's uo?21:23
mattoliveraumahatic: did a great job chairing21:23
tdasilvajust trying to catch up21:23
notmynamemahatic: thanks for chairing21:23
notmynametdasilva: follow-ups on
acolestdasilva: IIRC there are some follow up patches e.g. doc changes21:23
notmynamehere's a brief summary of the earlier meeting21:23
kota_tdasilva: true for acoles21:24
notmynamethe next 0700 meeting will be on june 14. acoles will chair21:24
acolestdasilva: longer term there are some EC GET path optimisations we may want to make21:24
acolesto do with duplicate frags21:24
kota_tdasilva: and, making CLI binary for composite ring builder may be needed too21:25
notmynamethere are lots of EC reconstructor optimizations we "may want to make" (regardless of "global ec" or not) ;-)21:25
* acoles apparently has first nick by alphabetical order21:25
notmynameok, for meeting transition follow-ups...21:26
tdasilvaacoles, kota_ thanks!21:26
notmynamemattoliverau is going to look at and roll in clayg's comments21:26
patchbotpatch 289664 - swift - Make eventlet.tpool's thread count configurable in...21:26
mattoliverauThat's why I'm changing my nick to zzzmattoliverau :p21:26
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notmynameand we need to bring up in this meeting now21:27
patchbotpatch 371150 - swift - Return 404 on a GET if tombstone is newer21:27
tdasilvanotmyname: i'm almost done sending another patchset for that21:27
notmynametdasilva: great!21:27
claygtdasilva: that's awesome21:27
notmynameyeah, the 0700 meeting was like "it hasn't been touched in a month, needs to get in, but everyone who's looked at it is asleep" ;-)21:27
timburkei'd like to add to the list of priority patches that haven't had movement in a month. the only change has been to break out as a separate patch since it's a bit of a change in how the replicator works21:28
patchbotpatch 302494 - swift - Sync metadata in 'rsync_then_merge' in db_replicator21:28
patchbotpatch 464084 - swift - Apply remote metadata in _handle_sync_response21:28
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notmynameadjusting meeting topic to reflect the converstation21:29
notmyname#topic patches that need attention21:29
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kota_notmyname: I'll be back at in this week21:29
notmynamefor we need other reviewers21:29
patchbotpatch 302494 - swift - Sync metadata in 'rsync_then_merge' in db_replicator21:29
patchbotpatch 302494 - swift - Sync metadata in 'rsync_then_merge' in db_replicator21:29
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notmynamekota_: thanks :-)21:29
joeljwrightI'd love people to review
patchbotpatch 365371 - swift - Add Preamble and Postamble to SLO and SegmentedIte...21:30
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notmynamehang on hang on. we've got several patches to discuss21:30
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notmynamefirst patch 302494 then path 36537121:30
patchbot - swift - Sync metadata in 'rsync_then_merge' in db_replicator21:30
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notmynamefor it's been split out ( timburke: because it changes the behavior?) and needs reviews21:31
patchbotpatch 302494 - swift - Sync metadata in 'rsync_then_merge' in db_replicator21:31
notmynametimburke: should we wait until we get reviews on the dependency from kota_?21:31
claygnotmyname: I think timburke and kota_ can tell us when that one is ready21:31
claygtimburke: may already know it's done?21:31
claygso someone could race kota through the first sanity review - or sweep with +A if he's already commited?21:32
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claygIIRC it's one of those must fix things - the question is in how much follow will be needed once we grok the issue and land the damn thing21:32
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kota_clayg: correct, is what we must fix and the other is optional improvement IIRC21:33
patchbotpatch 302494 - swift - Sync metadata in 'rsync_then_merge' in db_replicator21:33
notmynamekota_: timburke: how does that sound to you?21:33
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claygkeep it tight that's always my suggestion21:33
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kota_probably, I will be able to give my +2 for the first one in near future21:34
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timburkei'm rather certain the first one is good to go -- i've just meddled with it enough that i'm not sure i'm an unbiased reviewer. the follow-up is a bit more of an open question, but should be ready to merge if we want it21:34
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kota_on the second one, I'm not entierly sure if it's *good* thing for us21:34
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claygtimburke: second set of eyes is good always - too easy to get code-blind21:34
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claygkota_: timburke: let's focus on landing the critical fix - follow up is... follow up21:34
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notmynamelet's focus on the first one fir this week21:35
notmynameyeah :-)21:35
timburkeand clayg's thought about keeping it tight is why i split it into two changes21:35
kota_yup, will do at least this week.21:35
claygtimburke: is a hero!21:35
notmynameok, joeljwright's patch 36537121:35
patchbot - swift - Add Preamble and Postamble to SLO and SegmentedIte...21:35
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notmynamethis is new functionality to swift. offers some pretty interesting stuff (that joeljwright wants to use in his cluster)21:35
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joeljwrighttimburke has been looking at it and torgomatic expressed some interest a while back21:36
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notmynameIIRC this enables being able to download tar files from swift that are dynamically composed21:36
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joeljwrightthat's certainly my use case - avoiding storing lots of tiny objects that only make sense combined with actual data21:36
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notmynamebut in this case you'll be storing the tiny files and then make a tarfile manifest to download them all at once?21:37
joeljwrightall the tar specific data would be base64 encodeed and stored in the manifest21:37
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claygnotmyname: I think joeljwright was contrarsting with storing the pre-amble and post-amble *as* objects - then preamble postamble slo is just... a slo21:38
joeljwrightas pre/postambles to the objects21:38
notmynameoh, I see. instead of making individual object of the tar metadata, you dynamically build it21:38
cschwede_me totally wants this - currently doing something similar for backups...21:38
notmynamecschwede_: does that mean you could review it?21:38
claygjoeljwright: is there any write up on the API?21:39
joeljwrightit's all in the SLO docstring atm21:39
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claygthe use-case seems more like "instead of storing some SLO segments as objects (or a range of an object) I want them to be data written directly into the manifest"21:39
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* tdasilva wonders if gnocchi driver could use this21:40
joeljwrightclayg: yes that's the use-case21:40
claygjoeljwright: maybe a script/snippet that says "here's three examples of different things (two useful one crayz) how you use this new api capability for awesomeness success and winning"21:40
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joeljwrightclayg: I'll have a think21:41
claygjoeljwright: so is it *pre/post*amble - or just add inline object support to SLO segments21:41
notmynamecschwede_: when you look at it, please keep an eye out for what would be good docs :-)21:41
joeljwrighttimburke already created a gist to make tarballs :) Now I just need other examples!21:41
notmynameoh cool21:41
claygnotmyname: timburke: do we just recheck to make the doc build refresh?21:41
timburkeclayg: ya21:41
notmynamethat would be nice to include in the tree then21:41
claygnotmyname: the code snippet?21:42
timburkenotmyname: i believe joeljwright's intention is to write a new middleware to do exactly that :-)21:42
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notmynameoh, I said that before I clicked the link ;-)21:42
joeljwrightI modified timburke's example to use the python tarfile lib:
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claygnotmyname: maybe in the doc/prose - but it could also just go in a gist referenced in the review21:42
notmynameno, I don't want to link to timburke's gists in the swift source tree21:42
timburkewell aren't *we* fancy :P21:42
notmynameok, we've got a plan on this patch for this week21:43
timburkenotmyname: you do enough linking to my gists as it is21:43
notmynamea couple of others I wanted to bring up...21:43
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patchbotpatch 435152 - swift - Do not sync suffixes when remote rejects reconstru... (MERGED)21:43
claygoh, every segment needs it's own pre-amble post amble21:44
notmynameI did some backport releases this week, and I noticed that although we backported this patch and have now (or soon) released it, we haven't actually released this on master. it's post-2.14.021:44
notmynamewhich raises the question of tagging another swift release21:44
notmynamewhich is totally fine. or not. what do you think?21:44
claygI had imagined [{'preabmle'}, {'object1'}, {'object2'}, {'postamble'}]21:44
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notmynameseems that if it's important enough to backport, it's important enough to cut a release for21:45
notmynamebut I'd like input from everyone else21:45
notmynamewhat are your thoughts?21:45
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timburkeclayg: yeah, i had a similar thought... in particular, i was reminded of things like data uris...21:45
claygbut I could also imagine an api [{'blah1'}, {'object1'}, {'blah2'}, {'blah3'}, {'object2'}, {'blah4'}]21:45
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timburkecertainly in the context of a tlo, having it in the object dict makes perfect sense21:46
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acolesnotmyname: I hadn't realised we backported that21:46
joeljwrightclayg: pre/postambles are optional and can be mixed in any combination for each object21:47
claygnotmyname: i thought that was a minor optimization - also not understanding the backport (unlike the *other* suffix hashing *bug* which was both terrible *and* inefficient)21:47
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claygjoeljwright: but can I have a segment that is *just* a pre-post amble - like an "inline" segment instead of a segment that is referencing another object or a range of an object21:48
notmynameclayg: acoles: ok. I'll let it sit for now21:48
claygnotmyname: yeah I think it's weird that got backported - so what's the question?  it's done now right?21:48
clayg:shipit: who cares21:48
notmynameyeah, it's done21:48
acolesnotmyname: well we have a lot of new stuff recently landed so a release might  make sense soon21:48
joeljwrightHmmmm, zero byte objects are allowed as segments if they have a pre/post amble21:48
notmynamelol, you just described our backport policy ;-)21:48
notmynameacoles: indeed, but I won't rush for it21:48
notmynameok, last patch on the agenda..21:49
patchbotpatch 468105 - swift - Require that known-bad EC schemes be deprecated21:49
notmynamefor clayg and timburke to bring up21:49
claygtimburke: is definitely the hero here21:49
claygjust the other day I logged into a lab cluster and noticed those messages being logged21:49
clayggoing to be really rough when I upgrade to the version of swift that makes your proxies not start - but hey - at least I'll %^&*ing fix my lab clusters!21:50
* clayg so lazy21:50
notmynameI definitely support preventing this known-bad config21:50
kota_sounds good to me21:50
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notmynametimburke: do you have, off-hand, the releases of when we said it was deprecated?21:50
notmynamejust ocata?21:51
timburkeif i remember right, yeah21:51
notmynamechangelog has it there (2.13.0)21:51
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timburkewe backported to newton, but that doesn't mean people upgraded21:52
notmynameok, so we need to check the deprecation policy. but if we land it now (ie "Pike" series), I think we'll be ok. IIRC the deprecation is to keep it as a warning for one openstack cycle and remove it in the next21:52
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notmynamehowever, this is also a Big Deal, and there's very little reason to leave that particular issue lurking for operators21:53
claygbe nice if we had some cluster-assisted-policy-migration up in there21:53
timburkeyeah, i'm cool with landing it whenever -- i just wanted to be aggressive since that config harms durability21:53
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claygwell - it's worse if you have an old liberasurecode - at least now we 503 instead of corrupt data21:54
notmyname"oh you lost all your data because you selected some parameters? we knew it was bad, but we still let you do that because we didn't warn people long enough" <<<--- a terrible terrible message and we shoudl feel bad if we do it21:54
acolesnotmyname: timburke is there any value in a half way step i.e. force the bad policy to be deprecated in the policy config sense, so that it becomes read only?21:54
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claygoh i like that - instead of refusing to start just auto deprecate - noice21:55
acolesotherwise we go from warning to no data, right?21:55
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timburkeclayg: a plus, but how does that get handled in the reconstructor? do we go grab another frag, or just skip it and hope we have better luck later?21:55
claygpeople be like "where'd my policy go" - and we be like "ftfy"21:55
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notmynameyeah, that is a good idea. timburke, thoughts?21:55
claygtimburke: yeah21:55 would we handle single-policy deployments?21:56
notmynametimburke: read-only21:56
claygnotmyname: there is no such thing as a read-only policy21:56
timburkeno, just no-new-containers21:56
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acolestimburke: h, you mean you gotta have *one* policy not deprecated21:57
tdasilvacan't deprecate if you only have one policy, right?21:57
notmynameyeah, sorry, if you only have one and it gets deprecated, things don't work21:57
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notmynamewill the proxy just not start?21:57
notmynamewhich is the same as what's proposed now21:57
acolesI wonder if we can special case this though21:57
claygtdasilva: yeah I think if you do the checks in the right order it could still say "This policy is bad and it's deprecated now; I can't start unless you have at least one not-deprecated policy"21:58
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claygstill not *great* - but the whole idea is we're doing something - something mean - and the beatings will continue until your cluster configuration improves!21:58
notmynametimburke: can you work through these questions in that patch this week?21:58
timburkealso, i'm not sure we'd really be doing operators any favors by hiding the issue -- you need to deal with this, and one of the first steps to dealing with it is to have a good, non-deprecated policy to migrate to21:58
notmynameoh! one more note from the 0700 meeting. now that composite rings has landed, cschwede_ is unblocked on part power increase and will be moving forward on it again!21:59
acolestimburke: +1 you need to make a good policy anyway to move on from this terrible place21:59
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timburke(also worth remembering: even with the policy deprecated, you'll *still* have new data being written with the bad config)21:59
notmynamebah. we're at full time for the meeting21:59
claygwomp womp21:59
timburkethat's a whole *other problem that needs addressing22:00
notmynameok, I'm trusting that timburke will keep thinking on this and type up some awesome code for it22:00
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notmynamethank you all for coming to this meeting22:00
notmynameand for about half of you, it's your second swift meeting in 24 hours!22:00
notmynamethank you for your commitment to swift22:00
acolesnotmyname: it's great! two in a single day!22:01
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