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| joehuang | hello | 01:00 |
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| dongfeng | hi | 01:00 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 31 01:01:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:01 |
| Yipei | hi | 01:01 |
| joehuang | Many of us just had public holidays on Monday and Tuesday | 01:01 |
| joehuang | So maybe not so many people will be shown in the meeting, it's ok | 01:01 |
| joehuang | let's have open discussion | 01:02 |
| Yipei | ok, for lbaas, when creating health management interface, i fail to allocate the ip to it by using dhclient | 01:03 |
| Yipei | can i configure it manually? | 01:03 |
| dongfeng | ok, I still try to implement the pagination for routing list, because I'm not familiar with sqlalchemy, it will need some time | 01:04 |
| joehuang | have you checked the dhcp name space | 01:04 |
| joehuang | whether the dhcp namespace for the network is working | 01:04 |
| joehuang | to Dongfeng, thanks a lot | 01:05 |
| dongfeng | :) | 01:05 |
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| joehuang | if you want to allocate ip to the instance via dhcp, the dhcp name space should be there | 01:06 |
| Yipei | the dhcp network namespace exists | 01:06 |
| Yipei | i can see a tap for the dhcp port | 01:07 |
| joehuang | ok | 01:07 |
| Yipei | in the network namespace | 01:07 |
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| joehuang | I remember that in octavia devstack plugin, there is some scripts for the health management interface | 01:09 |
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| joehuang | #link https://github.com/openstack/octavia/blob/master/devstack/plugin.sh#L274-L312 | 01:10 |
| Yipei | yes, i create the interface by following the plugin.sh | 01:10 |
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| joehuang | sudo dhclient -v o-hm0 -cf $OCTAVIA_DHCLIENT_CONF | 01:10 |
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| Yipei | yes, that is the command | 01:11 |
| Yipei | /etc/octavia/dhcp/dhclient.conf | 01:11 |
| joehuang | the network is dhcp enabled or disabled? | 01:11 |
| joehuang | the dhcp agent has been bound or not? | 01:12 |
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| joehuang | I am afraid that in Tricircle there is some processing in DHCP will make o-hm not work normally | 01:13 |
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| Yipei | i think it is enabled, because i create the management port without specifying a fixed ip, and i also successfully boot a vm | 01:13 |
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| Yipei | i think it the source of the amphora reboot, the health management cannot work well | 01:14 |
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| Yipei | how to check whether the dhcp agent has been bound or not | 01:14 |
| joehuang | have you installed tricircle local plugin in local Neutron? | 01:15 |
| Yipei | yes, i installed tricircle and octavia together with devstack, but comment the lines in plugin.sh of octavia, which creates mgmt networks | 01:16 |
| joehuang | openstack network agent list/show/etc | 01:16 |
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| Yipei | so that i can create the management network manually | 01:16 |
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| joehuang | the management network is created from central Neutron or from local neutron? | 01:18 |
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| zhiyuan | sorry i am late. to yipei, you can check whether there is a dhcp namespace for the management network | 01:19 |
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| joehuang | dhcp namespace is there | 01:19 |
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| zhiyuan | then can you ping the dhcp IP inside the VM? | 01:20 |
| Yipei | to joehuang, i execute openstack network agent list, all the states of agents are UP | 01:20 |
| Yipei | to zhiyuan, i can ping the dhcp IP in the dhcp network namespace | 01:21 |
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| joehuang | yes, you can also boot one VM in that mngt network to see if the VM can get IP | 01:21 |
| joehuang | If you ping inside dhcp name space, you just ping loopback | 01:22 |
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| Yipei | yes, i tried, the vm can be successfully booted. i booted a vm, because if i do not boot one, there is not dhcp network namespace | 01:23 |
| Yipei | i can ping loopback, too | 01:23 |
| joehuang | can the dhcp IP be ping-able inside vm | 01:24 |
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| Yipei | to joehuang, but the o-hm0 interface is in default network namespace | 01:25 |
| Yipei | to joehuang, i tried | 01:27 |
| Yipei | the dhcp ip is ping-able inside the vm | 01:27 |
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| zhiyuan | to yipei, in the host running the dhcp agent, run "ps axu | grep dnsmasq" | 01:29 |
| zhiyuan | 0 | 01:29 |
| zhiyuan | check if the IP of o-hm0 is inside this file: /opt/stack/data/neutron/dhcp/$SOME_ID/addn_hosts | 01:30 |
| joehuang | if vm can get IP, I think dhcp is normal | 01:30 |
| zhiyuan | i am not sure $SOME_ID is network id or subnet id | 01:30 |
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| zhiyuan | you can see from the result of "ps" | 01:31 |
| Yipei | nobody 1199 0.0 0.0 54608 2664 ? S 5月30 0:03 /usr/sbin/dnsmasq --no-resolv --keep-in-foreground --no-hosts --bind-interfaces --pid-file=/var/run/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.pid --listen-address=127.0.1.1 --cache-size=0 --conf-file=/dev/null --proxy-dnssec --enable-dbus=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.dnsmasq --conf-dir=/etc/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.d | 01:31 |
| Yipei | nobody 29318 0.0 0.0 49988 2888 ? S 08:58 0:00 dnsmasq --no-hosts --strict-order --except-interface=lo --pid-file=/opt/stack/data/neutron/dhcp/e89bb941-2493-4146-8986-a2ea5990218c/pid --dhcp-hostsfile=/opt/stack/data/neutron/dhcp/e89bb941-2493-4146-8986-a2ea5990218c/host --addn-hosts=/opt/stack/data/neutron/dhcp/e89bb941-2493-4146-8986-a2ea5990218c/addn_hosts --dhcp-optsfile=/opt/stack/data/neutron/dhcp/e89bb941-2493-4146-8986- | 01:31 |
| Yipei | a2ea5990218c/opts --dhcp-leasefile=/opt/stack/data/neutron/dhcp/e89bb941-2493-4146-8986-a2ea5990218c/leases --dhcp-match=set:ipxe,175 --bind-interfaces --interface=tap99e6b6d7-4a --dhcp-range=set:tag0,192.168.0.0,static,86400s --dhcp-option-force=option:mtu,1450 --dhcp-lease-max=256 --conf-file= --domain=openstacklocal | 01:31 |
| Yipei | stack 31234 0.0 0.0 15960 1020 pts/36 S+ 09:30 0:00 grep --color=auto dnsmasq | 01:31 |
| joehuang | yipei, do you have this port locally in local Neutron, or the port is only in central Neutron? | 01:32 |
| Yipei | i only create the port in central neutorn | 01:32 |
| Yipei | so no port in local neutron | 01:32 |
| joehuang | you need to get the port in local neutron first | 01:32 |
| joehuang | only if there is port in local neutron, then dhcp will work | 01:33 |
| Yipei | but octavia uses central neutron to manage amphora as well as the management network | 01:34 |
| zhiyuan | after creating a port in central Neutron, you can use "openstack port show $central_port_id" to create the port in local Neutron | 01:34 |
| zhiyuan | "openstack --os-region-name $local-region port show $central_port_id" | 01:34 |
| joehuang | Yipei, do you know how to address this issue now? | 01:35 |
| Yipei | yes | 01:35 |
| Yipei | i see | 01:35 |
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| joehuang | ok | 01:36 |
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| joehuang | for some information to share | 01:36 |
| joehuang | two applications running in OPNFV summit multisite now all work | 01:37 |
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| joehuang | both vIMS(voice) and JITSI(video conference) can run in multi-site environment with site level redundancy | 01:38 |
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| joehuang | through the networking capabilities, these two applications can achieve site level high availability | 01:39 |
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| joehuang | vIMS is via Triricle cross site L3 networking | 01:39 |
| joehuang | JITISI is via cross site L2 networking | 01:40 |
| joehuang | #info through the networking capabilities of tricricle, vIMS and JITSI can achieve site level high availability in OPNFV multisite environment | 01:40 |
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| joehuang | another news is that Neutron + Tricircle can work well with Nova cellsv2 | 01:41 |
| joehuang | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/117599.html | 01:42 |
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| joehuang | other topic to discuss? | 01:42 |
| RonghUI | to zhiyuan please review the QoS spec :) | 01:43 |
| joehuang | Ronghui, please communicate with ZHiyuan about the comment | 01:43 |
| RonghUI | ok | 01:43 |
| joehuang | and some patches submitted should include test cases too | 01:44 |
| RonghUI | ok will update in next version | 01:44 |
| zhiyuan | I have talked to Xiongqiu about the "create_qos_policy" job | 01:44 |
| joehuang | yeah, please update in time to make it being integrated fast | 01:45 |
| joehuang | if no other topic, let's conclude the meeting | 01:46 |
| zhiyuan | At first he was going to create the local qos policy in both "network_update" and "create_qos_policy" jobs, so I suggest to only create qos policy in "create_qos_policy" job, then also update network to bind qos policy in this job | 01:46 |
| joehuang | please refer to https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/16Qfm3D1yhrW31ZEVRYea8mcyKI06fQ3a6Okk4VhFGkQ/ for OPNFV multisite environment | 01:48 |
| joehuang | #info refer to https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/16Qfm3D1yhrW31ZEVRYea8mcyKI06fQ3a6Okk4VhFGkQ/ for OPNFV multisite environment | 01:49 |
| joehuang | other topic? | 01:49 |
| Yipei | to joehuang and zhiyuan, i tried, still does not work, can we discuss it in tricircle channel after the meeting? | 01:49 |
| joehuang | ok | 01:49 |
| zhiyuan | ok | 01:49 |
| dongfeng | no for me | 01:49 |
| RonghUI | no for me | 01:50 |
| Yipei | no for me | 01:50 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 01:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 01:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 31 01:50:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-05-31-01.01.html | 01:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-05-31-01.01.txt | 01:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-05-31-01.01.log.html | 01:50 |
| joehuang | bye | 01:50 |
| Yipei | bye | 01:50 |
| dongfeng | bye. | 01:50 |
| yinxiulin | bye | 01:50 |
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| gongysh | hi | 04:29 |
| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 04:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 31 04:30:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 04:30 |
| tung_doan | o/ | 04:30 |
| tung_doan | hi all | 04:30 |
| YanXing_an | o/ | 04:30 |
| claire1006 | o/ | 04:30 |
| gongysh | #topic Roll Call | 04:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:30 | |
| gongysh | claire1006, hi | 04:30 |
| YanXing_an | hello, claire1006, wellcome | 04:31 |
| gongysh | welcome | 04:31 |
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| claire1006 | hi,all | 04:31 |
| bennco1 | hello | 04:31 |
| gongysh | bennco1, hi welcome | 04:31 |
| bennco1 | thank you | 04:31 |
| gongysh | it seems we need some time for other guys to join. | 04:32 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: agree | 04:32 |
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| sridhar_ram | hi | 04:34 |
| tung_doan | hi sridhar_ram | 04:34 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, great to have you on meeting. | 04:34 |
| sridhar_ram | sorry for the delay, will get used to the new time :) | 04:34 |
| gongysh | ok. today, we have two new guys. bennco1 and claire1006 | 04:35 |
| bennco1 | :) | 04:35 |
| claire1006 | hi~ | 04:35 |
| gongysh | bennco1, claire1006 , could you please introduce yourself? | 04:35 |
| bennco1 | @claire1006 can go first | 04:36 |
| bennco1 | :) | 04:36 |
| YanXing_an | claire1006 is a girl, from china mobile :) | 04:36 |
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| bennco1 | Well hello My name is Conrad from Verizon Wireless | 04:36 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, great to hear china mobile give one more member to this project. | 04:37 |
| bennco1 | Conrad Bennett | 04:37 |
| sridhar_ram | welcome claire1006 and bennco1 to Tacker! | 04:37 |
| gongysh | bennco1, welcome. | 04:37 |
| tung_doan | welcome claire1006 and bennco1 to Tacker :) | 04:37 |
| claire1006 | my name's bao fangyan,i'm yanxin'an's colleague. | 04:37 |
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| gongysh | verizon is acquired by someone, right? | 04:37 |
| bennco1 | Verizon Wireless? No, not that I have heard | 04:38 |
| gongysh | bennco1, ok | 04:38 |
| gongysh | lets start | 04:38 |
| gongysh | #topic bp | 04:38 |
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| gongysh | remember June 8th, the deadline of P2 milestone is the deadline of BP merge | 04:39 |
| gongysh | if there is no much exception, we will abide by this rule. | 04:39 |
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| gongysh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tacker-specs | 04:40 |
| gongysh | we have some specs pending for review or update. | 04:40 |
| gongysh | first one is from tung_doan, https://review.openstack.org/434974 | 04:40 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, hi | 04:40 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: hi | 04:41 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: I am trying to wrap my bp this week | 04:41 |
| gongysh | tell us the progress on this spec, how far it is from being merge? | 04:41 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: I think it could be merge soon. We just need some modification in NFVO | 04:42 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: related to some support for connection points | 04:42 |
| tung_doan | at the same time. i also open the patch for this bp: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469209/ | 04:43 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, is it related to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448109/ vnffg in NSD? | 04:43 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: firstly, i will go with vnffg, then move to nsd | 04:43 |
| gongysh | ok | 04:44 |
| tung_doan | tung_doan: the scope of my bp only focuses on VNFFG | 04:44 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: I think code will be lauched soon for this feature | 04:44 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, lets get bp merged first. | 04:44 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: got it | 04:45 |
| gongysh | second bp | 04:45 |
| gongysh | VNFFG support for Network Service Descriptor | 04:45 |
| gongysh | trozet, hi | 04:45 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: does the scope include VNFFG fixup due to a VNF respawn ? | 04:45 |
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| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: right | 04:45 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: my understanding ^^ shd not need any TOSCA changes, can u confirm? | 04:45 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: exactly | 04:45 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, I think so too. | 04:46 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: we need auto-heal VNFFG when some VNF go down | 04:46 |
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| gongysh | trozet, dharmendra.kushwaha are both absent here. | 04:46 |
| gongysh | so let skip the NSD bp | 04:47 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: so, the users need not do anything to get this feature .. that is unclear from the BP | 04:47 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: when some VNFs are respawned, their connection points will change. That break VNFFG. | 04:48 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: i'll add some comments to the BP .. basically L39 (gongysh already flagged this) | 04:49 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: understood, thanks | 04:49 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: sure. really need your comment. thanks | 04:49 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, I am also wondering what we need to do under scaling. | 04:49 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: i'm not sure if we support VNFFG + Auto-Scaling combo | 04:50 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: ok. when vnf is overload, the new chain should be created. | 04:50 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: it would involve add new neutron ports to port-pair groups dynamically | 04:50 |
| sridhar_ram | *addming | 04:50 |
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| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: you got the point | 04:51 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, our VNFFG is fixed on a certain CP path. | 04:52 |
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| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: gongysh: in Barcelona summit I heard some questions about auto-healing in VNFFG. It should be up to Tacker | 04:52 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: that's what i was afraid of .. we first shd work towards enabling FFG + Scaling before taking that up .. | 04:53 |
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| YanXing_an | it's a big problem, i think we need fix it to support vnffg+scaling | 04:53 |
| sridhar_ram | i suggest we split this BP into these two scenarios | 04:53 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, yes. | 04:53 |
| sridhar_ram | .. into two BPs | 04:53 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, do you got it? I agree with sridhar_ram. | 04:54 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: one for vnffg+scaling, another for what? could you elaborate? | 04:54 |
| gongysh | another is: vnffg to deal with respawn policy action | 04:54 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: sridhar_ram: got it. i know they are different | 04:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: let's split those into two diff BPs .. so that they are scoped appropriately | 04:55 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: got it. thanks | 04:56 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, so you have lot to do. :) | 04:56 |
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| gongysh | next bp is Implement VNF monitor policies with Mistral workflow | 04:56 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467479/ | 04:56 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: this time I can deal with these :) | 04:56 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, I need your review | 04:56 |
| YanXing_an | tung_doan, i can help to write one if possible, after barbican finished. | 04:56 |
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| tung_doan | YanXing_an: vnffg+scaling may need your support | 04:57 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: I can deal with vnffg+respawning | 04:57 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: sure, will do | 04:57 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: thanks. | 04:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: +1 for that sequence | 04:58 |
| gongysh | next bp is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453442/ | 04:58 |
| gongysh | block storage bp | 04:58 |
| gongysh | from chinamobile | 04:58 |
| gongysh | zhouzhihong is busy with company job. | 04:59 |
| gongysh | so who can take this? | 04:59 |
| YanXing_an | zhouzhihong is not here, i will help to remove the WIP fields. | 04:59 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, you need to update the spec according to review too. | 04:59 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, ok | 05:00 |
| gongysh | 30 mins passed | 05:00 |
| gongysh | #topic bugs | 05:01 |
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| gongysh | or codes. | 05:01 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465080/ | 05:01 |
| gongysh | barbican patch | 05:01 |
| YanXing_an | tung_doan, seems vnffg+scaling is difficult than vnffg+respawning :) | 05:01 |
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| gongysh | it seems almost done. | 05:02 |
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| YanXing_an | gongysh, i will commit a PS EOD. | 05:02 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: that's why you and me should co-work ;) | 05:02 |
| tung_doan | * you and I | 05:03 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457843/ | 05:03 |
| claire1006 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469304/ | 05:03 |
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| gongysh | this also need review, so that I can go with vim reachability bp coding. | 05:03 |
| claire1006 | resources like vnf which got stuck in PENDING_DELETE status can't be deleted correctly. | 05:04 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: is the patchset for tacker-conductor out? | 05:04 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, not, it is on tacker API to start workflow. | 05:05 |
| gongysh | tacker-conductor will be next patch to implement VIM monitoring. | 05:05 |
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| gongysh | claire1006, I know it is a bug, could you please update doc to talk about the state transition? | 05:05 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: soudns good | 05:05 |
| claire1006 | It's better to add a state transition,or just make the deletion process continue?plz give some suggestion.thx. | 05:06 |
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| claire1006 | i didn't take the state transition way. | 05:06 |
| gongysh | claire1006, I am talking to write a doc about the state transition, so that we can make decision if the change is reasonable. | 05:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | claire1006: is the heat stack ID available in the vnf db for those VNFs stuck in PENDING_DELETE ? | 05:08 |
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| claire1006 | sridhar_ram,i will check it later | 05:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | i remember we discussed 'vnf-delete --force' option way back to handle situations like this, | 05:09 |
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| YanXing_an | sridhar_ram, i think the VNF is already deleted in heat in this bug. | 05:10 |
| sridhar_ram | YanXing_an: I see .. | 05:10 |
| gongysh | claire1006, make a clear state transition in a devref doc and then make the change will help us. | 05:10 |
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| claire1006 | It can't be found by _get_vnf_db() when it got stuck in PENDING_DELETE. | 05:10 |
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| claire1006 | gongysh, ok | 05:10 |
| gongysh | claire1006 thanks | 05:11 |
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| gongysh | #topic open discussion. | 05:11 |
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| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: this bp is a really good feature: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/tosca-csar-mgmt-driver | 05:11 |
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| YanXing_an | gongysh, this state transition need another patch? | 05:12 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: do you have a plan to do it? | 05:12 |
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| diga | o/ | 05:12 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: if i finish my work load, i will look into this | 05:12 |
| diga | is our meeting timing changed ? | 05:12 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, we can make it in the same patch. but another is ok too. | 05:12 |
| gongysh | diga, it is one hour earlier than before. | 05:12 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: yes, that BP was a long standing request | 05:13 |
| diga | ohh | 05:13 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, ok | 05:13 |
| diga | gongysh: that;s the reason I am missing it | 05:13 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: it makes even more relevant now that we support NSD, FFGD, etc | 05:13 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: seems heat-translator already support csar. it is really nice :) | 05:13 |
| diga | gongysh: will talk you after the meeting, I think we are about to finish the meeting | 05:14 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: yeah, i remember that .. we can use that to "unpack" the CSAR but we need to pass it thru' tacker for parsing | 05:14 |
| gongysh | diga, we have still time about 10 mins. | 05:14 |
| diga | gongysh: okay | 05:15 |
| diga | gongysh: I will start pushing the patches on per module weekwise | 05:16 |
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| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: agree. In the future, i think we can separate out a repo like tacker-catalog :) This will process TOSCA, YANG,... | 05:16 |
| diga | gongysh: I didn't get time last month to work on this peace due to some office releases | 05:16 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: yep | 05:16 |
| diga | gongysh: I will start with VIM api | 05:17 |
| gongysh | diga, never mind. let push tacker forward together. | 05:17 |
| diga | gongysh: Yeah | 05:17 |
| diga | :) | 05:17 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: fyi, there is a general convergence in using uwsgi and riding on existing apache (using mod_wsgi) | 05:17 |
| sridhar_ram | .. in other openstack projects | 05:17 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: ohh..kk | 05:18 |
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| diga | sridhar_ram: do you have any link on that ? | 05:18 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: I will go through it | 05:18 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: don't have it handy, will pass on when i find it | 05:18 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: sure! Thanks | 05:19 |
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| diga | sridhar_ram: is this a first meeting after summit or second ? | 05:19 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: I dont know how many I have missed in between | 05:20 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: please use this to catchup -> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/ | 05:20 |
| gongysh | #info, YanXing_an and I proposed a topic in openstack china day to talk about tacker vnf. | 05:20 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: wonderful ! | 05:20 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: yep, thanks for sharing the link | 05:21 |
| gongysh | if someone talks about tacker at any conference, please share it. | 05:21 |
| gongysh | anything else to talk? | 05:22 |
| gongysh | #topic core team adjustment | 05:22 |
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| gongysh | I will make some adjustment about core team at Pike 3 milestone | 05:23 |
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| gongysh | so please stay active to make project hit. | 05:24 |
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| diga | gongysh: +1 | 05:24 |
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| gongysh | if there is no more to talk, lets end the meeting. thanks everyone. | 05:25 |
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| diga | bye | 05:25 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 05:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 31 05:25:17 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:25 |
| sridhar_ram | bye everyone | 05:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-05-31-04.30.html | 05:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-05-31-04.30.txt | 05:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-05-31-04.30.log.html | 05:25 |
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| mahatic | #startmeeting swift | 07:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 31 07:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mahatic. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 07:00 |
| mahatic | who is here for Swift alternate meeting? | 07:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 07:00 |
| cschwede_ | Yay, Swift time :) Hello everyone! | 07:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 07:00 |
| mathiasb | good morning | 07:00 |
| * notmyname here, although disagrees with "alternate" ;-) | 07:00 | |
| mahatic | :D | 07:01 |
| mahatic | Did I see acoles too? | 07:01 |
| notmyname | thanks, mahatic, for leading this meeting | 07:01 |
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| acoles | I'm here! | 07:01 |
| mattoliverau | So weird to have it at this time, but also great :) | 07:01 |
| kota_ | hello | 07:01 |
| mahatic | notmyname: of course np! | 07:01 |
| mahatic | hello everyone! | 07:01 |
| zhongjun | hi | 07:01 |
| mahatic | great to see you all | 07:01 |
| mahatic | let's get started | 07:01 |
| mahatic | #topic Rotating Chair | 07:02 |
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| mahatic | So, it'd be really great and helpful if we could have rotating Chairs | 07:02 |
| acoles | I have one :) | 07:02 |
| * mattoliverau imagines mahatic on a swivel chair leading the meeting | 07:03 | |
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| mahatic | Part of the reason is, currently I'm not 100% on Swift and also involved in other projects at my work | 07:03 |
| mahatic | all those jokes, note the capitalization of C ;) | 07:04 |
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| mattoliverau | mahatic: ok, but so far your doing great :) | 07:04 |
| mattoliverau | Fair enough. | 07:04 |
| cschwede_ | maybe rotate alphabetically? so it's (nearly) clear who's next and who has been the last one (eg acoles, cschwede, kota, mahatic, mathiasb, mattoliverau, and so on...) | 07:04 |
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| mahatic | getting back, it'd make sense we have different Chairs especially to avoid times when one of is not caught up enough on what's going on | 07:04 |
| acoles | cschwede_: I see what you did to me there ;) | 07:05 |
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| mahatic | cschwede_: sounds great to me | 07:05 |
| mahatic | acoles: ;) | 07:05 |
| cschwede_ | acoles: pure coincidence :) | 07:05 |
| mattoliverau | So long as it's written somewhere (on the ajenda/wiki) cause I'll forget :) | 07:05 |
| mattoliverau | But sure | 07:05 |
| acoles | mahatic: ok with me | 07:05 |
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| mahatic | Is everyone else ok with having Chairs, in the alphabetical order? | 07:06 |
| mahatic | acoles: great, thanks | 07:06 |
| cschwede_ | let's do that! | 07:06 |
| kota_ | +1 | 07:06 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 07:06 |
| m_kazuhiro | +1 | 07:06 |
| acoles | I think I saw that rledisez may be attending, so add him to list? | 07:06 |
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| mattoliverau | Yup ;) | 07:06 |
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| mahatic | yes sure | 07:07 |
| cschwede_ | yeah, my list is surely not complete... | 07:07 |
| acoles | And clayg *promised* he'd be here!! | 07:07 |
| mahatic | seems a lot of us agree on that. Nice! | 07:07 |
| notmyname | he specifically said he wouldn't be here, today in the office :-) | 07:07 |
| mahatic | yes, clayg: where are you?! ;) | 07:07 |
| mathiasb | i'm not sure i'm ever caught up enough on what's going on, but if that's not a strict requirement then sure, +1 :) | 07:08 |
| mahatic | thank you everyone for agreeing on being a Chair! | 07:08 |
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| mahatic | mathiasb: oh well, you *can* get caught up if you aren't already, no? ;) | 07:08 |
| mattoliverau | mathiasb, it's should be just leading and going through what's on the ajenda | 07:08 |
| mahatic | +1 also preparing the agenda as well | 07:09 |
| mattoliverau | And getting us back into line when we get too off track ;) | 07:09 |
| acoles | mathiasb: everyone - i think it's important that the Chair does not fee they need to know everything that is going on - I see the role as facilitating | 07:09 |
| acoles | s/fee/feel/ | 07:09 |
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| mattoliverau | Yeah, let's all try and help with the ajenda | 07:10 |
| mahatic | I agree | 07:10 |
| mattoliverau | Start with some common topics, then people can add if they need/want to discuss | 07:10 |
| notmyname | I would be very happy to assist anyone with that | 07:10 |
| notmyname | and am available to do so at whatever time is convenient for you | 07:11 |
| mahatic | I was just about to say that - you can coordinate with notmyname in any case :) | 07:11 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: thanks! | 07:11 |
| mahatic | any more questions/thoughts on this? | 07:12 |
| notmyname | so for practical todos, acoles will chair the next meeting on June 14? | 07:12 |
| mattoliverau | Kk | 07:12 |
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| mahatic | Yup | 07:13 |
| mahatic | notmyname: should this be a hashtag todo you mean? | 07:13 |
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| notmyname | yes, it can be, but that's not what I meant by the statement/question | 07:14 |
| mahatic | okay | 07:14 |
| mahatic | I'll probably just note it in the wiki | 07:14 |
| mahatic | next up | 07:14 |
| notmyname | #agreed chairs for 0700 meeting will rotate | 07:14 |
| notmyname | #agreed acoles will chair june 14 | 07:14 |
| notmyname | done :-) | 07:15 |
| mahatic | thanks! :) | 07:15 |
| mahatic | #topic Priority review patches that didn't have a turnaround in over a month | 07:15 |
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| mahatic | so as the title suggests, I noted a few of those patches | 07:15 |
| mahatic | s/noted/noticed | 07:16 |
| kota_ | notmyname: perhaps the hashtag commands are only for the chiar? | 07:16 |
| kota_ | chair | 07:16 |
| notmyname | kota_: dunno | 07:16 |
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| mahatic | #agreed chairs for 0700 meeting will rotate | 07:16 |
| mahatic | hmm that didn't prompt anything | 07:17 |
| kota_ | hmm... | 07:17 |
| mahatic | getting back - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289664/ | 07:17 |
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| patchbot | oh hi! | 07:17 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289664/ | 07:18 |
| patchbot | patch 289664 - swift - Make eventlet.tpool's thread count configurable in... | 07:18 |
| kota_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289664/ | 07:18 |
| patchbot | patch 289664 - swift - Make eventlet.tpool's thread count configurable in... | 07:18 |
| mahatic | that one is Sam's patch and Clay seems to have left a -1. There hasn't been any activity in more than a month | 07:18 |
| mahatic | thank you kota_ notmyname | 07:18 |
| mattoliverau | Oh I had problems, getting it to work when testing this | 07:19 |
| mattoliverau | Been meaning to retry | 07:19 |
| mahatic | oh okay | 07:19 |
| mahatic | I'm not sure if Sam is still intending to work on it? | 07:19 |
| mahatic | notmyname: would you know? | 07:20 |
| notmyname | he's not, in the short term | 07:20 |
| notmyname | or rather, that's not what he's currently working on day-to-day | 07:20 |
| mahatic | well, since it's in the priority reviews, maybe anyone else who has bandwidth and interest could pick it up | 07:21 |
| mattoliverau | Maybe it shouldn't be a priority review, it's cool, so stay a patch | 07:21 |
| notmyname | there's more info in the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1554233 | 07:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1554233 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Servers-per-port can consume excessive OS threads" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Samuel Merritt (torgomatic) | 07:21 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: a bug doesn't get less-bad when someone is unavailable to work on a patch ;-) | 07:21 |
| notmyname | just means the rest of us have to step up :-) | 07:21 |
| mattoliverau | Lol true | 07:21 |
| mahatic | lol | 07:21 |
| cschwede_ | yeah, clayg's comments seem to be rather easy to include, maybe someone wants to step in on this patch? | 07:21 |
| mahatic | maybe Clay! ;) | 07:22 |
| acoles | notmyname: right, but it would be helpful in such a case to know that the patch needs someone to take it on. otherwise it just clutters the priority review list but is in fact going nowhere | 07:22 |
| cschwede_ | i assume Sam would be ok if someone takes over as long as the author tag is kept | 07:22 |
| mahatic | on a serious note, maybe someone who already has context - that's what I meant | 07:22 |
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| notmyname | yes, acoles and mahatic. that is very true | 07:23 |
| acoles | So do we need a "priority reviews in need of an owner" list? | 07:23 |
| cschwede_ | Prashanth liked the patch, maybe he has some interest in this. I'll ping him | 07:23 |
| notmyname | is he still around? | 07:23 |
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| mattoliverau | I'm not sure how great or long my promises can last in my current situation. But I can loop round on it seeing as I was testing it in the past. | 07:24 |
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| mahatic | acoles: looks like it. at least if we have bugs/patches that are a priority but doesn't have an owner, having a list would help and bring some visibility | 07:24 |
| notmyname | I think what we need on this patch is for someone to spend a bit of time to understand it, especially since it may need to be taken over from torgomatic | 07:24 |
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| notmyname | ...and it sounds like mattoliverau can take a stab at that? | 07:25 |
| mattoliverau | Yup | 07:25 |
| notmyname | great, thanks | 07:26 |
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| mahatic | and a fallback would be Prashanth if he's interested? | 07:26 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: and even working in clay's comment and pushing another patch set would be good | 07:26 |
| notmyname | mahatic: if he's still working on swift... | 07:26 |
| mattoliverau | Kk | 07:26 |
| mahatic | oic okay | 07:26 |
| mahatic | thanks mattoliverau! | 07:27 |
| mahatic | the other patch is | 07:27 |
| mahatic | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371150/ | 07:27 |
| patchbot | patch 371150 - swift - Return 404 on a GET if tombstone is newer | 07:27 |
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| mahatic | this one has also been for quite sometime with no activity. Could check with tdasilva if he's still planning on continuing with that work | 07:28 |
| notmyname | this one looks like it's been a conversation between timburke and tdasilva | 07:28 |
| notmyname | yes, this one needs to be brought up in the 2100 meeting later today | 07:28 |
| cschwede_ | looks like a useful improvement | 07:29 |
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| mahatic | yeah, I'm sure it'd be useful. It's tagged as medium priority | 07:30 |
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| mahatic | okay, we have one more and Romain is the author. But he doesn't seem to be around | 07:30 |
| rledisez | hi everybody :) | 07:30 |
| mahatic | rledisez: oh hi! :) | 07:30 |
| mahatic | welcome | 07:30 |
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| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456921/ has everyone here right now :-) | 07:31 |
| patchbot | patch 456921 - swift - Fix SSYNC failing to replicate unexpired object | 07:31 |
| mahatic | mattoliverau left a comment and acoles seems to have addressed it | 07:31 |
| mahatic | mattoliverau: did you get a chance to look over it? | 07:31 |
| mattoliverau | rledisez: o/ | 07:31 |
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| mahatic | notmyname: yes, thanks! :) | 07:31 |
| mattoliverau | Not yet, been distracted | 07:32 |
| rledisez | mattoliverau: i think alister answered your concerns about commit/verify | 07:32 |
| rledisez | *acoles | 07:32 |
| mattoliverau | Kk, will take a look, sorry everyone | 07:32 |
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| acoles | mattoliverau: yeah, it is a little subtle but the verify flag is distinct from commit | 07:32 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: no worries. you've been upended recently | 07:33 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: what would be best here (for you)? take it from rledisez an acoles that it's resolves? wait for you to respond in gerrit? | 07:33 |
| notmyname | get another person involved in the review? | 07:34 |
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| acoles | notmyname: clayg spent some time on this - IIRC I ripped off a probe test he started in the follow up, so he may be able to jump in | 07:34 |
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| mattoliverau | I'll take a quick look tomorrow | 07:34 |
| mattoliverau | But if need be don't wait for me | 07:35 |
| mattoliverau | But I do trust them :) | 07:35 |
| notmyname | ah, ok. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460073/ is the follow-up | 07:36 |
| patchbot | patch 460073 - swift - Add probe test for ssync of unexpired metadata to ... | 07:36 |
| notmyname | acoles: maybe that should be merged in? | 07:36 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ok, if you take a look tomorrow, that would be great. but if not, that's ok, but just let us know :-) | 07:37 |
| mahatic | ok, that sounds good | 07:37 |
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| mahatic | thanks everyone for figuring it out :) | 07:38 |
| mahatic | next up is | 07:38 |
| mahatic | #topic Drop translation that's causing bugs | 07:38 |
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| mattoliverau | I will, I'll leave a comment if I have issues or fail to test on my limited resources | 07:38 |
| acoles | notmyname: +1 (squash the probe test) it's 'only' another 58 lines to review | 07:39 |
| notmyname | :-) | 07:39 |
| mahatic | so we have a couple of bugs on this (maybe more around) | 07:39 |
| mahatic | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1648082 | 07:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1648082 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Yet UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte..." [Undecided,New] | 07:39 |
| mahatic | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1580678 | 07:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580678 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "UnicodeDecodeError when rebalancing a ring" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Christian Schwede (cschwede) | 07:39 |
| mahatic | on the latter, clayg commented that openstack had a resolution to drop off log message translations | 07:40 |
| cschwede_ | +1! | 07:40 |
| mahatic | and here is what info I could find on that - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LoggingStandards#Log_Translation | 07:40 |
| mahatic | but it doesn't quite say the same. If anyone could point to a better source, that'd be great | 07:41 |
| mahatic | or if I'm missing some ML announcement on this, please correct me | 07:41 |
| cschwede_ | if you ever google a translated log message, your chance is pretty low to find something useful... | 07:41 |
| notmyname | here | 07:42 |
| notmyname | https://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.i18n/guidelines.html#log-translation | 07:42 |
| notmyname | " Starting with the Pike series, OpenStack no longer supports log translation. It is not necessary to add translation instructions to new code, and the instructions can be removed from old code. Refer to the email thread understanding log domain change on the openstack-dev mailing list for more details." | 07:42 |
| mahatic | awesome, thanks notmyname | 07:42 |
| notmyname | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/thread.html#113365 | 07:42 |
| cschwede_ | IMO that's not helpful for operators, and AFAICT many don't run this in a translated language therefore (true for other software as well) | 07:42 |
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| cschwede_ | so we're getting rid of this? | 07:43 |
| mahatic | yup! | 07:43 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: if you're saying that translated logs aren't helpful I completely agree | 07:43 |
| cschwede_ | could be a nice low-hanging-fruit | 07:43 |
| cschwede_ | notmyname: that's what i wanted to say! :) | 07:43 |
| notmyname | (I acknowledge that the logs [and everything else] are in my native language, though) | 07:43 |
| notmyname | so from the links above it seems very clear that we can remove translations from log messages | 07:44 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: does that help make progess on these open bugs (you'd been working on at least one) | 07:44 |
| notmyname | ? | 07:45 |
| mahatic | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339360/1 | 07:45 |
| patchbot | patch 339360 - swift - Make verbose unicode test output working | 07:45 |
| cschwede_ | notmyname: i need to look again into that patch & bug, but sounds so | 07:45 |
| mahatic | Is that one related? | 07:45 |
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| mahatic | okay cschwede_ to look at it | 07:47 |
| mahatic | thanks | 07:47 |
| mahatic | #topic open discussion | 07:47 |
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| mahatic | I think that's all we have on the agenda today. Anyone has other topics to bring up? | 07:48 |
| notmyname | o/ | 07:49 |
| acoles | might be worth linking to this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446762/ when removing translations from our code | 07:49 |
| patchbot | patch 446762 - oslo.i18n - add notes about skipping log translation setup (MERGED) | 07:49 |
| notmyname | or rather, as question | 07:49 |
| cschwede_ | we also need to prepare the birthday party for patch 337297 | 07:49 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337297/ - swift - Add support to increase object ring partition power | 07:49 |
| mahatic | yay! | 07:49 |
| cschwede_ | it's getting one year in a few weeks! | 07:49 |
| acoles | cschwede_: :/ | 07:49 |
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| mahatic | oops, I thought you had linked to the merged composite ring patch | 07:50 |
| mattoliverau | cschwede_ congrats :) | 07:50 |
| kota_ | mahatic: no, it's increase part power | 07:50 |
| mattoliverau | We should def get it in. It's awesome | 07:50 |
| mahatic | yeah, I see that :) | 07:50 |
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| mahatic | it had a +2 from Pete on a last patchset | 07:51 |
| cschwede_ | yes; i had to rebase it again because of a merge conflict | 07:51 |
| kota_ | cschwede_: sorry, I know my global ec + composite ring had big conflicts with that | 07:51 |
| kota_ | and thanks for working to update | 07:51 |
| notmyname | kota_: now that global ec patches have landed, does that mean you could look at composite rings? | 07:52 |
| mattoliverau | Had timburke finished looking? I noticed he was going back and forth for a while on it | 07:52 |
| cschwede_ | kota_: no worries! | 07:52 |
| acoles | notmyname: do you mean part power increase ^^ ? | 07:52 |
| kota_ | notmyname: yeah, i could look at *the increase part power* | 07:52 |
| cschwede_ | mattoliverau: maybe - he updated the patch a while ago and fixed a few things | 07:53 |
| kota_ | that's fair | 07:53 |
| notmyname | yes, I mean part power increase :-) | 07:53 |
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| mahatic | :) | 07:53 |
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| mahatic | I think we have another 5 mins | 07:54 |
| acoles | kota_: thanks! | 07:54 |
| mahatic | notmyname: you had something to ask? | 07:54 |
| notmyname | it kinda got covered | 07:54 |
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| mahatic | okay | 07:55 |
| acoles | more positive news ... we have in last few weeks landed composite ring support and per-policy affinity config which are both pieces of work that Kota started a long time ago :) | 07:55 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 07:56 |
| rledisez | as it's open discussion, I have two patches related to cname_lookup/domain_remap that got +2 from tim, waiting for a an other reviewer from +1 workflow :) | 07:56 |
| kota_ | yey, thanks acoles for helping it's done! | 07:56 |
| mahatic | congrats kota_ ! and of course everyone else who helped get it merged | 07:56 |
| rledisez | one is bugfix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435771/ | 07:56 |
| patchbot | patch 435771 - swift - Rewrite redirection in cname_lookup & domain_remap | 07:56 |
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| rledisez | and other a new feature: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435768/ | 07:56 |
| patchbot | patch 435768 - swift - Allow to configure the nameservers in cname_lookup | 07:56 |
| rledisez | if anybody got some times to have a look, that would be awesome :) | 07:57 |
| mattoliverau | Will try :) | 07:57 |
| rledisez | thx mattoliverau | 07:58 |
| acoles | rledisez: I have them starred, will try to get round to them soon | 07:58 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: you've already promised to loot at at least 2 others! | 07:58 |
| notmyname | s/loot/look/ | 07:58 |
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| mattoliverau | That's why I said I'll try ;) | 07:58 |
| mahatic | I could try and look at one of those | 07:58 |
| notmyname | mahatic: thanks | 07:58 |
| rledisez | thx mahatic | 07:58 |
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| mahatic | okay, if that's all we have - let's conclude | 07:59 |
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| mahatic | thanks so much for coming, it was a great first start to a new TZ meeting :) | 07:59 |
| acoles | mahatic: well done! | 07:59 |
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| mattoliverau | Nice work mahatic! | 07:59 |
| rledisez | thx mahatic for chairing | 07:59 |
| kota_ | thanks mahatic! | 07:59 |
| notmyname | mahatic: thanks for chairing and leading the whole group to set this up! | 08:00 |
| mahatic | thank you too for making it a great start! | 08:00 |
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| mahatic | notmyname: thanks for your help! | 08:00 |
| mahatic | #endmeeting | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 31 08:00:39 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-05-31-07.00.html | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-05-31-07.00.txt | 08:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-05-31-07.00.log.html | 08:00 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 31 14:01:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 14:01 |
| rhochmuth | anyone here | 14:01 |
| kamil_ | yes | 14:01 |
| rhochmuth | hi kamil_ | 14:01 |
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| rhochmuth | o/ | 14:01 |
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| witek | hello | 14:01 |
| arturb | o/ | 14:01 |
| rhochmuth | i'm wondering if folks are going to make the new time | 14:01 |
| kamil_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
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| witek | should we wait a couple of minutes? | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday May 31 2017 (14:00 UTC) | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | 1.Pike-2 milestone: June 8 | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | 2.Use RST for documentation | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | ◦publish to docs.openstack.org and developer.openstack.org | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | ◦https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/documentation.html | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | ◦https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437889/ | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | 3. Review/Opinion needed | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | 3.1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466203/ | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | i guess | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | we might have to wait an hour | 14:02 |
| witek | :) | 14:03 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm guessing we should just get started | 14:03 |
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| arturb | ok | 14:03 |
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| rhochmuth | before i get started, i've had some requests about the upcoming PTG in Denver | 14:04 |
| rhochmuth | there are requests for space | 14:04 |
| rhochmuth | my assumption is that we wouldn't have a critical mass at the PTG | 14:05 |
| rhochmuth | was wondering what others thought | 14:05 |
| rhochmuth | it is basically an hour drive for me | 14:05 |
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| rhochmuth | so a travel request isn't necessary | 14:05 |
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| witek | so, the requests are from OpenStack Foundation? | 14:06 |
| rhochmuth | correct | 14:06 |
| witek | and with not having critical mass, you mean only few attendees, right? | 14:07 |
| rhochmuth | correct | 14:07 |
| witek | I will ask managers, till when should you know? | 14:08 |
| rhochmuth | very soon | 14:08 |
| rhochmuth | like right now | 14:08 |
| witek | :) | 14:08 |
| rhochmuth | as they are starting to designate space | 14:08 |
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| rhochmuth | the other possblity is to attend and meet with other projects in their space | 14:08 |
| rhochmuth | but that would have to be coordinated ahead of time | 14:08 |
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| rhochmuth | for example, if you were interested in working with another team on monasca integration | 14:09 |
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| rhochmuth | so, let's move on | 14:10 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Pike-2 milestone: June 8 | 14:10 |
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| witek | it would be important to know, who else could attend | 14:11 |
| rhochmuth | witek: i agree | 14:11 |
| rhochmuth | there is no reason in attending if others won't be there | 14:11 |
| witek | I suggest to create a doodle | 14:11 |
| witek | and let people answer till like end of the week | 14:11 |
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| witek | would that work? | 14:12 |
| rhochmuth | sure | 14:12 |
| rhochmuth | since not many are at todays meeting it would have to be posted to openstack-dev | 14:12 |
| witek | I'll create one and send info to mailing list | 14:12 |
| rhochmuth | thx | 14:12 |
| witek | then you can decide what we do | 14:13 |
| rhochmuth | ok | 14:13 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic Pike-2 milestone: June 8 | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike-2 milestone: June 8 (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 14:13 | |
| witek | I can create tags this week, if everyone is OK with it | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | so, besides tagging is there anything else for the upcoming milestone? | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | i'm ok | 14:14 |
| witek | next two weeks i'm in vacation | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | ohhh, better get tags done this week then | 14:14 |
| witek | i'm not aware of anything else what has to be done | 14:15 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, then i guess we are good | 14:15 |
| witek | ok, thanks | 14:15 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Use RST for documentation | 14:15 |
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| witek | we have discussed internally, that it would be good to have all Monasca documentation in central OpenStack place | 14:16 |
| witek | meaning docs.openstack.org and developer.openstack.org | 14:17 |
| witek | there is quite some infrastructure to support publishing current documentation | 14:17 |
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| witek | and it is referenced together with other OpenStack projects | 14:17 |
| witek | we could start with the content, that we have already | 14:18 |
| witek | there is lots of useful documentation there | 14:18 |
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| witek | what we would have to do is reformat it to RST and configure gate jobs | 14:19 |
| rhochmuth | sounds good to me | 14:19 |
| rhochmuth | i'm not sure how this all works | 14:20 |
| rhochmuth | but the monasca-log-api has all the rst docs at | 14:20 |
| rhochmuth | https://github.com/openstack/monasca-log-api/tree/master/doc/source | 14:20 |
| witek | they are not published though | 14:20 |
| rhochmuth | do the rst docs just reference the md docs | 14:21 |
| witek | no, md docs would have to be reformatted | 14:21 |
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| witek | I think we could start with log-api and then follow-up with monasca-api | 14:22 |
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| witek | that's it, we'll start working on it | 14:24 |
| rhochmuth | ok, thanks | 14:25 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466203/ | 14:25 |
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| arturb | so it is me | 14:25 |
| rhochmuth | hi arturb | 14:26 |
| arturb | hi ::) | 14:26 |
| arturb | the problem was spotted by Jakub and he prepared the change | 14:26 |
| arturb | he changed the offset to integer value according to the influxdb documentation | 14:26 |
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| arturb | where newest influxdb as he checked expects offset as an integer value | 14:27 |
| arturb | I only fixed the tempest test | 14:27 |
| arturb | and also the question from me is: the java version of the api is deprecated and I only run modified test for python version | 14:28 |
| rhochmuth | so, doesn't the pagination for alarm history currently work simialr to metrics, based on a timestamp | 14:28 |
| rhochmuth | the java api is not deprecated | 14:28 |
| arturb | we tried to test it with timestamp and api throws an error | 14:29 |
| arturb | ok | 14:29 |
| rhochmuth | interesting | 14:29 |
| rhochmuth | we would like to deprecate the java api, but we havent' done that yet | 14:29 |
| arturb | so maybe somebody else could look at this | 14:29 |
| rhochmuth | sure, i'll need to dig in | 14:29 |
| witek | wasnt't it that monasca-ui set offset=0 for the first page and that throws exception? | 14:30 |
| rhochmuth | did influxdb change the behaviour and we just didn't catch it | 14:30 |
| rhochmuth | i thought we had good coverage on the pagination tests | 14:30 |
| arturb | as I said the change was started by Jakub but currently he is on vacations thats why I modified tempests | 14:30 |
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| rhochmuth | well, we can't jsut change what the api has specified | 14:31 |
| rhochmuth | and should work | 14:31 |
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| rhochmuth | i'll check with a couple of folks here to see can be done with influxdb | 14:32 |
| arturb | ok thanks | 14:32 |
| witek | rhochmuth: thanks | 14:32 |
| rhochmuth | since this is supposedely working with metrics, it should work with alarm state history the same way, | 14:32 |
| rhochmuth | i guess that is it for today | 14:33 |
| rhochmuth | unless there are other topics in closing | 14:33 |
| rhochmuth | i'll check with folks at the old place and time in half an hour | 14:34 |
| witek | I should still be there as well | 14:34 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, thanks everyone | 14:34 |
| rhochmuth | see you next week | 14:34 |
| kamil_ | bye | 14:35 |
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| witek | thanks | 14:35 |
| arturb | thanks | 14:35 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 14:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 31 14:35:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-05-31-14.01.html | 14:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-05-31-14.01.txt | 14:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-05-31-14.01.log.html | 14:35 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 31 16:00:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor lhx_ baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov wxy | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | viks ketonne abishop sivn breitz | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:00 |
| cFouts | hi | 16:01 |
| _alastor_ | \o | 16:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:01 |
| scottda | hi | 16:01 |
| abishop | o/ | 16:01 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
| wxy| | o/ | 16:01 |
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| jsuchome | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Hey everyone | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| tbarron | hi | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | hi | 16:02 |
| geguileo | hi! | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | hola compadres | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #info Pike-2 is next week | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | We have a few driver reviews out there and a few specs that need attention before the cutoff. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Please try to spend a little time on that if at all possible. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | #topic DocImpact and docs bugs | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DocImpact and docs bugs (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:03 | |
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| smcginnis | Been seeing this a lot so I wanted to bring it up here. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | Patches only need DocImpact tags if they need follow up documentation updates to openstack-manuals. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | And it is up to the patch submitter to do that work or get it to the right person to make the docs change. | 16:04 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: from my perspective, I prefer to assign these bugs to patch authors or close them | 16:04 |
| mdovgal | hi) | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | We have a bunch of open docs bugs that are autoamtically generated from commits of these DocImpact patches that are just sitting out there. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Yep, that is how it should work | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | But for a lot of them, it doesn't appear the patch authors know or care to do anything with them. | 16:05 |
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| e0ne | :( | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: So, I assume we still need them for config changes right. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | Which either means there wasn't really a DocImpact, or they think the magic documentation fairies will just take care of everything. | 16:06 |
| apuimedo | hi | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Even if they come with a release note. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: If there is an additional change to documentation that is needed. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | He he. Magic Documentation Fairies | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ok. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | Most config options automatically get generated in the tables. So unless there is something more to document about them, there's not really a doc impact. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bugs?field.tag=doc | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Would love to see those implemented or closed. ^ | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Additional options to NFS backend | 16:08 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: in such case, we have to be attentive during review such patches | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Additional options to NFS backend (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:08 | |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ah, thank you. The info about them be auto generated is helpful. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | jsuchome: Sorry, one second then it's all yours. :) | 16:08 |
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| * jsuchome can wait :-) | 16:09 | |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Attentive in what way? | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis what about the config guide/docs? | 16:09 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: to not add docimpact flag if only release notes are needed | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: +1 | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: That was why I was asking. :-) | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis for example. https://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/config-reference/block-storage/drivers/solidfire-volume-driver.html | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | I may have been an offender there. | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: The config pages that just list a table of the config options will be automatically updated. But if you want to add text describing how it should be used or any notes, then that should have the DocImpact and follow up docs submission. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I will try to look through the list of docs bugs and see which ones can maybe just be closed or are easy fixes. | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis excellent, thanks :) | 16:11 |
| * jungleboyj did say I would be the docs liaison | 16:11 | |
| smcginnis | jsuchome: OK, sorry about that. The floor is yours. | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | I was unaware we got that automated now :) | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | although... nope it's not. But I'll look at that offline | 16:12 |
| jsuchome | I basically wanted to ask, what's the correct way of providing extra NFS options to cinder backend - documentation seems to mention 2 ways | 16:12 |
| bswartz | did you see the ML reply from eharney? | 16:12 |
| jsuchome | also the cinder code is using both (cinder.nfs_mount_options, option in the file cinder.nfs_shares_config) | 16:12 |
| eharney | which documentation are you looking at? i'd like to see if it looks correct | 16:12 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:12 |
| jsuchome | oh, there was a reply? let me check | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | jsuchome: cinder.nfs_shares_config is only used if there isn't an IP of a nas server in cinder.conf . | 16:13 |
| jsuchome | I've linked the documentation links in my mail | 16:13 |
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| jsuchome | is used, or is supposed to be used? | 16:14 |
| eharney | i'll look at updating the config-reference/block-storage docs, i think they need to be revamped a bit | 16:14 |
| jsuchome | this piece of code https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/stable/newton/cinder/volume/drivers/nfs.py#L163 takes whatever is written there and passes it further as the optiobns | 16:14 |
| eharney | for the nfs driver | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: Agreed. I don't thinks those were ever updated after I changed the way that nfs_shares_config is or is not used. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Speaking of NFS, CI jobs have been failing for awhile now. | 16:15 |
| jsuchome | eharney: ok, so you're saying putting options into nfs_shares_config config should be obsolere | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: :-( | 16:15 |
| jsuchome | but what about nova? | 16:16 |
| eharney | jsuchome: Nova will mount the export with the info that Cinder provides it, i believe | 16:16 |
| jsuchome | when volume is being attached, nova knows about the options that were in nfs_shares_config, but not about nfs_mount_options | 16:16 |
| jsuchome | exactly, but Cinder does not provide those from nfs_mount_options | 16:17 |
| jsuchome | at least not in my tests | 16:17 |
| jsuchome | so this might be a bug | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | nfs_mount_options should only be used if nfs_shares_config is not being used. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | Let me look here. | 16:17 |
| jsuchome | well, there's definitely nothing in the code that prevents such usage | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | If I remember correctly, if nas_host and nas_share_path are specified it should not use nfs_shares_config . | 16:19 |
| eharney | correct | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Then the nfs_mount_options will be used. | 16:19 |
| eharney | i'm not sure about that | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: I am pretty sure I have set that up. | 16:20 |
| eharney | there's nas_mount_options and nfs_mount_options -- i think that's true for nas_mount_options, not sure about the other | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | I don't think I used nas_mount_options | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | I would have to go try it again to be sure though. | 16:20 |
| eharney | at any rate it looks like we need to re-evaluate the config for this driver and polish it up a bit | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: ++ and make sure the documentation matches | 16:20 |
| cFouts | eharney +1 | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | And fix the CI problem. :) | 16:21 |
| * eharney looks to see what the CI problem is | 16:22 | |
| smcginnis | jsuchome: Anything else? | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | In fact, I know the nas_host/nas_share_path isn't documented properly as I have gone and looked for that in the documentation and couldn't find it. | 16:22 |
| jsuchome | so should I file a bug report that nfs_mount_options are not passed to nova? | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | jsuchome: Can you make the bug more generic? | 16:22 |
| cFouts | I thought nas_mount_options were preferred over using nfs_mount_options | 16:23 |
| eharney | smcginnis: oh, the compute service policy is still messed up | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Oh, right. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | jsuchome: NFS config options not documented/working as expected and indicate that the nfs_shares_config isn't used as documented and that it doesn't appear nfs_mount_options are passed along. | 16:23 |
| eharney | cFouts: i think so, but we can sort that out in a thorough review in the bug | 16:23 |
| jsuchome | I think I haven | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: and I can use it to get things cleaned up. | 16:24 |
| jsuchome | jungleboyj: ok, that sounds good, I'll do it | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: smcginnis Are you guys ok with that plan? | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: +1 from me. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Coolio | 16:24 |
| eharney | sure, i'll help sort out what the end goal should be here and help figure out the details | 16:24 |
| eharney | we need to start issuing deprecation messages for nfs_shares_config if we aren't already, and aim at getting rid of it, this transition started quite a while ago | 16:25 |
| jsuchome | (but yes, nas options seem to have higher priority: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/stable/newton/cinder/volume/drivers/nfs.py#L99 , not that it is relevant to my case) | 16:25 |
| mdovgal | jungleboyj, Coolio with his gangsta's paradise? :D | 16:25 |
| eharney | the nas_* options have higher priority because the goal was to have the same options for a handful of similar drivers called nas_* rather than having numerous duplicated options | 16:26 |
| * jungleboyj keeps spending most my life, Livin' in a gangsta's paradise | 16:26 | |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: ++ | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Sounds like we have a plan. Good to move on? | 16:27 |
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| jsuchome | I'm good | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Move along. Nothing to see here. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | #action jungleboyj to work on bug report from jsuchome | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | #topic Recruiting awesome Block-Heads to help with fuxi-golang | 16:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Recruiting awesome Block-Heads to help with fuxi-golang (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:28 | |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: fuxit | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | So not sure how many people are already aware... but fuxi is a kuryr project that has provided a means to plug Cinder into a Docker environment | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That is fuxed up. | 16:29 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: I don't know what is fuxi-golang, but I'm interesting in everything related to standalone | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | similar to the cinder-docker-volume-plugin stuff | 16:29 |
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| apuimedo | it's pronounced Foo She | 16:29 |
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| e0ne | jgriffith: I'll be glad to help you with it | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Not in my head. ;) | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | now, I know that there are several of us here that are doing Docker and K8's work on the side | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis +1 :) | 16:29 |
| apuimedo | smcginnis: :D | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | With the foundation for stand-alone cinder and some other things going on | 16:30 |
| apuimedo | the idea is to consolidate the efforts just like in Neutron we did with Kuryr | 16:30 |
| apuimedo | (fuxi also enables manila shares to be accessible as Docker vols) | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | I am hoping it might be a good time to take another shot at building a community around some of this work, inparticular fooshi (I'll just spell it that way to keep jungleboyj under control) | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | children!! | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Hey know. I can be good. | 16:31 |
| Swanson | jgriffith, don't ruin our fun. | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj no you can't :) | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok, you are right. | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | so there's efforts underway to make cinder and manilla usable as standalone components in K8s | 16:31 |
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| xyang | jgriffith: isn't there already a cinder driver in K8s? | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | but there are also some base layers that we kinda need, like a cinder-volume-plugin and most importantly a version of os-brick that we can port to a golang pkg | 16:32 |
| apuimedo | xyang: you mean the cloud provider? | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | xyang yes as the cloud-provider | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | xyang work is also underway to make a standalone cinder and manila option as well | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | ie bare-metal with cinder/manila | 16:33 |
| xyang | apuimedo, jgriffith: ok, I didn't realize that's different from this effort | 16:33 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: I was asked about golang version of os-brick from by k8s community too | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | anyway... what I'm trying to gauge is is there enough interest in Cinder members to help out with this? | 16:33 |
| apuimedo | xyang: the idea is to support baremetal as well, yes | 16:33 |
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| apuimedo | side by side k8s and openstack is a big use case | 16:33 |
| xyang | apuimedo: ok, thanks | 16:33 |
| apuimedo | you're welcome | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | rather than continue to fragment, it would be kinda cool if we all pitched in a bit | 16:34 |
| apuimedo | e0ne: interesting | 16:34 |
| * dims peeks | 16:34 | |
| apuimedo | hongbin: is starting gos-brick | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | it's really not that much work to be honest | 16:34 |
| apuimedo | 'g' standing for golang | 16:34 |
| apuimedo | gos means dog in my language, so I approve of the anem | 16:34 |
| apuimedo | *name | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | but if everybody continues to do their own thing it just means more fragmentation | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | apuimedo: Hah! | 16:34 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: +1 | 16:34 |
| * jgriffith gives up | 16:34 | |
| e0ne | jgriffith: It wouyld be great to start this topic in openstack-dev@ too | 16:35 |
| apuimedo | so the goal would be to get a strong core team for the fuxi effort from cinder folks | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | e0ne can do | 16:35 |
| apuimedo | and to build this together | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: The repo is started for gos-brick. Once we start getting some code ported over there, I think that's a good first area folks can help contrubute to. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | apuimedo: +1 | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | so I'm curious... anybody here interested (I mean seriously interested, not just "oh that's neat")? | 16:36 |
| e0ne | smcginnis, jgriffith: can you share a link, please? | 16:36 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: I'm interesting in it | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | We already have a golang version of Cinder-volumem plugin here: https://github.com/j-griffith/cinder-docker-driver | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: This repo was just created: https://github.com/openstack/gos-brick | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | just need to update, openstackify it and create a brick pkg | 16:36 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: and even can find time for this activity :) | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | So no code yet. | 16:36 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: thanks | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | honestly, shouldn't we have it all under a single repo and just seperate pkgs? | 16:37 |
| apuimedo | jgriffith: I think you mentioned as well to have the fuxi flavored options | 16:37 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: does it mean that Foundation officially accept golang? | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | e0ne yes | 16:37 |
| e0ne | I remember that mail thread bout goland and swift | 16:37 |
| dims | e0ne : working towards it. yes. (TC not foundation) | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | Foundation was never the detracting opinion | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | TC | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | dims +1 | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: The advantage I see in having it separate would be if there would end up being other go based projects needing to do something with it. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Yeah, having different repos seems more complicated. | 16:38 |
| e0ne | dims, jgriffith: cool, thanks! | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/resolutions/20170329-golang-use-case.html | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis fair, TBH though go lets you stuff multiple pkgs in a single rep and pull just what you want, but I don't have a strong enough feeling on this to worry about it :) | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: True. I guess it's just a difference between go and python we're not really used ot. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | *to | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis ok... so forget that part, more important part here is level of interest from folks like _alastor_ patrickeast xyang e0ne geguileo etc | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | although xyang might have some political things around that | 16:39 |
| xyang | jgriffith: nothing political:) | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis I arleady have your vote :) | 16:40 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:40 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: I'd probably be interested if I had any time :-( | 16:40 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: You don't! :P | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | somebody create another clone of geguileo :) | 16:40 |
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| e0ne | :) | 16:41 |
| geguileo | yes, please!! | 16:41 |
| xyang | jgriffith: I'm interested, just can't tell you how much time I can spend on it yet | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | So to be clear, we'd need some work on the fuxi parts, but more importantly IMO is starting to make sure we put some effort into the stand-alone cinder model | 16:41 |
| * jungleboyj creates a work item for geguileo cloning | 16:41 | |
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| e0ne | geguileo: I'm waiting for your blog post about pros and cons on how to be cloned | 16:41 |
| geguileo | rofl | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Good point. There are a few efforts here that all need to come together. | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis right | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | the big question is if there's enough interest from cinder team to get to the end result to begin with | 16:42 |
| apuimedo | jgriffith: can you expand on the 'stand-alone cinder model'? | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | if there is, I can start working on documenting/outlining the things I think are needed | 16:42 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: I hope, the answer from the most of us will be 'yes' | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: So I think there's enough interest. For now, let's just try to do periodic updates in the Cinder meeting to keep the awareness up and folks can jump in when/where they can. | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | apuimedo are you familiar with stand-alone cinder? | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | or is that the question :) | 16:43 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: feel free to ask me if anuy help is needed | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | I know we have interest. | 16:43 |
| apuimedo | jgriffith: isn't it just cinder without keystone? | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: +1 for documenting a plan. | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis +1 | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | apuimedo it's cinder with/without keystone and without nova | 16:43 |
| e0ne | apuimedo: w/o keystone and w/o nova too | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | that's the bare-metal piece I mentioned | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | or triple-o | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | or *insert-your-consumer-here* | 16:44 |
| apuimedo | jgriffith: ok. Similar to what we do with Kuryr, just that we keep Keystone practically always | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | apuimedo yeah, there are good reasons to keep keystone :) | 16:44 |
| apuimedo | comfort being a big one | 16:44 |
| e0ne | apuimedo: the main point of stanalone cinder was to make it work without nova | 16:45 |
| apuimedo | e0ne: then it is the same goal fuxi and kuryr have | 16:45 |
| apuimedo | (fuxi for cinder and manila, kuryr for neutron) | 16:45 |
| e0ne | apuimedo: cool | 16:45 |
| apuimedo | we started with baremetal | 16:45 |
| dims | ++ apuimedo | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | so I think there's a lot of value in this, not only for all of us with storage devices, but also for Cinder as a community and for customers | 16:45 |
| apuimedo | now we support also things like Pods inside VMs | 16:45 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: +1 | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | apuimedo +1 | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | so just to be clear, what this means is that anything that *works* in Cinder, works in container environments | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | and it's backed by the community, rather than a single vendor/company | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Big +1 | 16:47 |
| e0ne | +2:) | 16:47 |
| apuimedo | How we do this in kuryr is that we have a repo for the base stuff and then we have repos for integrations. With Golang you'd probably 'vendor' the base component | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | apuimedo vendor as in glide or godeps you mean? | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | apuimedo OH! | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | No... cinder's different | 16:48 |
| apuimedo | godeps | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | we don't have external *things* with cinder | 16:48 |
| apuimedo | jgriffith: I meant things like gos-brick | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | apuimedo ahh! Yes, ok | 16:49 |
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| apuimedo | and if we come up with subset functionality that can be used both by docker and by k8s integrations, it's also a candidate | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | alright, well at least we seem to have a few people here interested | 16:50 |
| apuimedo | (depends on whether people are interested in using the docker volume api for the k8s integration or prefer a more runtime agnostic approach really) | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: A good start. | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | maybe start some work and communications and get things rolling? | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Sounds like a good plan to me. | 16:50 |
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| patrickeast | late to the party, but im definitely interested... combines all my latest.. uh.. hobbies | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | patrickeast phewww... I needed at least you or _alastor_ before feeling warm and fuzzy | 16:51 |
| apuimedo | jgriffith: so, if I took my notes right, the action items are to send a message about this to the ML | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:51 |
| patrickeast | haha | 16:51 |
| apuimedo | and then coordinate with zengchen to make a core team | 16:51 |
| apuimedo | (and hongbin for the gos-brick) | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | apuimedo I suppose that's needed... or just start hacking and see where we go | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | earn core | 16:52 |
| apuimedo | jgriffith: we need a starting team with good CInder knowledge | 16:52 |
| apuimedo | otherwise I'll have to review too many things I'm not good at | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | apuimedo yep, we have myself, smcginnis patrickeast e0ne and maybe xyang | 16:53 |
| apuimedo | I wish I could be of more help, but my extent of storage knowledge ends at nfs and lvm | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | off to a pretty good start :) | 16:53 |
| apuimedo | xD | 16:53 |
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| apuimedo | great! | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | apuimedo: That is all you need. ;-) | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | need to figure out if manila folks are interested or not | 16:53 |
| xyang | jgriffith: you are not afraid that I'll reject things for political reasons?:) | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj +1 | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | xyang never! | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:53 |
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| xyang | :) | 16:54 |
| dims | jgriffith : smcginnis : apuimedo : please post the outline to -dev@ this sounds like great start | 16:54 |
| apuimedo | jgriffith: indeed. We should reach out as well. I know the huawei guys want manila since they already have it in | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | dims will do | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | I'll take that action item | 16:54 |
| apuimedo | but getting manila cores involved would be the best | 16:54 |
| apuimedo | thank jgriffith | 16:54 |
| dims | thanks jgriffith | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | #action jgriffith outline plan/steps and send to ML | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | that trick never works | 16:54 |
| apuimedo | :-) | 16:54 |
| tbarron | putting this on the manila weekly meeting agenda would make sense | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Hah! | 16:54 |
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| smcginnis | We have tbarron here - what more do we need? :) | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | OK, 5 minutes. Anything else? | 16:55 |
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| abishop | I've got one - any thoughts on updating cinderclient so it defaults to API v3? | 16:55 |
| apuimedo | tbarron: :-) | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | abishop: I thought we should wait at least another cycle. | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | Just to make sure v3 has a little more time to actually make it out there. | 16:56 |
| abishop | smcginnis, I thought v2 was reported as deprecated | 16:57 |
| Swanson | What horrible thing is going on with iscsi? | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | abishop: Yes, as of Pike. | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | abishop: But the client is used for existing deployments too, so I think we're kind in a weird interim spot right now. | 16:57 |
| abishop | smcginnis, so if v2 is deprecated, not sure why cinderclient shouldn't move on to v3 | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | abishop: Well, if you want go ahead and propose a change. We can see what other folks have to say about it. | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | I'm not really sure what the best answer is. | 16:58 |
| abishop | smcginnis, will do and see how it flies | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | abishop: Sounds good. :) | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone. | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 31 16:59:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-05-31-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-05-31-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-05-31-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
| e0ne | see you next week | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:59 |
| mdovgal | txn) | 16:59 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 31 18:00:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
| pcarver | hi | 18:00 |
| pcarver | #info Paul Carver | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Hi Paul | 18:00 |
| jinli | Hi all | 18:01 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Jin | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Paul, I kept on receiving emails regarding ice cream social, pop corn social etc. in New Jersey :) | 18:02 |
| bh526r | You guys are cool | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | Looks like only 3 of us | 18:03 |
| pcarver | Yeah, apparently the new organization has an admin who sends that sort of stuff to everyone | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Admin Update (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:03 | |
| bh526r | I wish she could ship some to me :) | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #info No admin update | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #topic Pike Release Update | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike Release Update (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:04 | |
| bh526r | Jin, I tried to merge Version management patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459894/ | 18:05 |
| bh526r | But failed in Jenkins | 18:05 |
| jinli | yes, I am looking at it | 18:05 |
| jinli | looks like both of my patches fail on the same error | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | That's right. | 18:06 |
| bh526r | Recheck didn't work | 18:06 |
| jinli | NoSuchOptError: no such option api in group [DEFAULT] | 18:06 |
| bh526r | Was it because of some sort of deprecated lib in other projects, like oslo? | 18:06 |
| bh526r | Very strange error | 18:07 |
| jinli | don't know yet, | 18:07 |
| jinli | need to look more into it | 18:07 |
| jinli | I think it could be deprecated lib | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | or related to doc utils | 18:08 |
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| bh526r | Can you also ping Tin and see if he has clue? | 18:08 |
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| jinli | yes | 18:08 |
| jinli | I will | 18:08 |
| bh526r | Great | 18:08 |
| jinli | I think he also rechecked my patches yesteray | 18:09 |
| jinli | will talk to him later today | 18:09 |
| bh526r | Yes, he did. But didn't work | 18:09 |
| bh526r | sounds good. | 18:09 |
| jinli | hopefully we can find out whats going on by end of day | 18:09 |
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| bh526r | that will be awesome :) | 18:10 |
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| bh526r | Not sure if Ian is here or not | 18:10 |
| bh526r | We need his update regarding more details proposal of integrating with Neutron | 18:11 |
| bh526r | And Sukhdev | 18:11 |
| bh526r | Armando gave some comments on his 2 RFEs regarding Neutron improvement | 18:12 |
| pcarver | I still don't really understand Ian's explanation of why we need a network type field that's separate from the already existing network_type field | 18:13 |
| bh526r | We need Sukhdev's further action | 18:13 |
| bh526r | His explanation is that semantically, we cannot mix 2 types of networks in one field | 18:13 |
| bh526r | so existing network_type field is for different types of L2 networks | 18:14 |
| pcarver | yeah, I understood the words but don't see what the reason is | 18:14 |
| bh526r | And a new network type field for new L3 networks | 18:14 |
| pcarver | I don't see where it is stated that network_type can only hold L2 values | 18:14 |
| pcarver | other than Ian saying it I mean | 18:14 |
| bh526r | It doesn't say, but current usage is for L2 | 18:14 |
| pcarver | I've hear Ian say it many times, but I haven't heard anyone else say it, nor seen it in any documentation | 18:15 |
| bh526r | It is not documented, I guess because it is designed for L2 at the beginning, so I assume it didn't mention it because it was a no-brainer at that time | 18:16 |
| bh526r | But the usage, and current values are all for L2 | 18:16 |
| bh526r | So if we put L3 values there, it could be confusing | 18:17 |
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| bh526r | So Ian thinks it is a cleaner method to have a new network type field dedicated to L3 networks | 18:18 |
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| krenczewski | Hi, sorry I am late | 18:19 |
| bh526r | Hi Kamil, how are you? | 18:19 |
| bh526r | Thank you for joining | 18:19 |
| krenczewski | I was on week vacation | 18:19 |
| krenczewski | Great, thanks :-) | 18:19 |
| bh526r | How is your vacation? | 18:19 |
| pcarver | I guess we should find out if any neutron cores are confused. The review comment seemed more confused by why we would want to add an additional network type field. | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | That's right. | 18:20 |
| pcarver | Unless there are actual problems in the code, it would seem simpler to write some documentation that explains what the valid values of the existing field are and document that it can distinguish both L2 and L3 network types | 18:20 |
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| pcarver | Otherwise we need to write documentation explaining the difference between the two network type fields or that'll cause confusion as well. | 18:21 |
| bh526r | Right. | 18:21 |
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| bh526r | Confusing one way or the other. So documentation is critical here | 18:21 |
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| bh526r | We need to see more details from Ian and Sukhdev regarding their new thoughts of how to integrate with Neutron. | 18:22 |
| bh526r | Then we can revisit those 2 RFEs, and revise our approach | 18:22 |
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| bh526r | @krenczewski, welcome back, and hope you have had great time on your vacation | 18:23 |
| bh526r | What is your plan for next week (after you are back :)? | 18:24 |
| krenczewski | It was great, I am working now on documenting the whole Contrail installation process | 18:24 |
| bh526r | Excellent. | 18:24 |
| bh526r | Thank you | 18:24 |
| krenczewski | It is not so easy to do everything right to deploy contrail so it works | 18:25 |
| krenczewski | It may be that I forgot about something and need to look into same topic again | 18:25 |
| bh526r | That's right, lots of complex configurations to deploy Contrail to make it work. | 18:25 |
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| krenczewski | Anyway I am making constant progress | 18:26 |
| bh526r | :) It always happens. So documentation is very important | 18:26 |
| krenczewski | And I can see the finish line in couple next days | 18:26 |
| bh526r | Great, thank you. | 18:26 |
| krenczewski | I hope I am correct with my estimations | 18:26 |
| bh526r | :) | 18:26 |
| pcarver | krenczewski: I'll try following your instructions and let you know if anything doesn't work | 18:27 |
| krenczewski | OK Paul, I'll let you know when I finish | 18:27 |
| bh526r | #info Kamil is working documenting the deployment process to make Contrail work with Gluon framework | 18:27 |
| bh526r | #info Ian and Sukhdev are working on more details regarding how to integrate with Neutron | 18:28 |
| bh526r | #info There are recent comments on 2 RFEs | 18:28 |
| bh526r | #info After Ian and Sukhdev finish those details, we will revisit those 2 RFEs, and revise our approach if needed | 18:29 |
| bh526r | #info Jin is debugging the Jenkins failure | 18:29 |
| bh526r | Anything else from anybody? | 18:30 |
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| bh526r | If nothing else, we may finish earlier today, and give back everyone 30 minutes | 18:31 |
| bh526r | Paul can enjoy ice cream, pop corn, or whatever social :) | 18:31 |
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| bh526r | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:32 |
| bh526r | Thank you everyone, and hope we will have more to share and discuss next week | 18:32 |
| krenczewski | Thanks | 18:32 |
| bh526r | Bye all | 18:32 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:32 |
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| krenczewski | Bye | 18:32 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 31 18:32:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-05-31-18.00.html | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-05-31-18.00.txt | 18:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-05-31-18.00.log.html | 18:33 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | pizza time! | 18:58 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | erm, I mean, storyboard meeting | 18:58 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | anybody about? | 18:59 |
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| * zara_the_lemur__ gives it a couple of minutes | 18:59 | |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | you can't rush pizza time | 18:59 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | o/ | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 31 19:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zara_the_lemur__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Announcements | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:00 | |
| fungi | i was hoping for actual pizza | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | sorry :( | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I have one over here in the uk | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | if that's any consolation | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | there are no announcements | 19:00 |
| fungi | fax me a slice | 19:00 |
| SotK | I have pasta, which is nearly as good | 19:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 19:01 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | except for the announcement that there is no pizza in this meeting but might be some obtainable outside of it | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Urgent Items | 19:01 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | Anybody got an urgent item? | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Nope | 19:01 |
| fungi | seems like no | 19:01 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ will move on to in-progress then | 19:02 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic In-Progress Work | 19:02 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | Okay I am aware there is a tonnne of stuff in review I have been sorely neglecting | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I have this evening marked out as 'task-tracking software evening' | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so tonight's gonna be a good night | 19:02 |
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| diablo_rojo | Nice. | 19:03 |
| fungi | you're going to need that pizza | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeahhh | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I want to get those boards-speedups patches in | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | and am acutely conscious I've been saying that for way too long | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I did look at the lp branching patch last week and left a coupla comments; idk if anybody else has had time to look at that | 19:04 |
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| * SotK will look at that tonight | 19:05 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | and we got a partial fix to the 400 of doom in over the last few weeks, that I forgot to make a fuss of; thanks SotK! | 19:05 |
| fungi | yes! i haven't seen it hit me for a few weeks now, thanks a bunch! | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yay, I was about to ask if you'd seen fewer questions about that one! | 19:06 |
| fungi | well, in particular the triggered refresh it seems to perform hasn't caused me any surprise (i almost don't even notice) | 19:06 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, people will still get logged out, but that's something a lot of sites do, I think | 19:06 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so hopefully it'll scare people less | 19:06 |
| fungi | right, perfectly acceptable as far as i'm concerned | 19:07 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks again SotK for sorting that | 19:07 |
| SotK | yw :) | 19:07 |
| fungi | awesome work | 19:08 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :) all my 'in progress' atm is review; anyone else have anything they would like to draw attention to? | 19:08 |
| diablo_rojo | Indeed! Much appreciated | 19:08 |
| SotK | its very satisfying being able to click a link to storyboard and not have to re-click immediately after | 19:08 |
| SotK | I think I have nothing else | 19:08 |
| * diablo_rojo thinks hers has been reviewed but hasnt gotten around to updating again.. | 19:08 | |
| fungi | nothing on my end | 19:08 |
| fungi | the imports last week (that was last week, right?) seemed to go fine | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, last week | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | though I feel like I have no sense of time at the moment | 19:09 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: we did get a followup question from one of the recent migrations... "what should i do on lp after migrating" is something we likely need to cover in our migration documentation | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I'm glad they went fine :) | 19:10 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | we did see somebody in #storyboard asking what they should do if they later wanted to make a cross-project story with a project that hadn't migrated yet | 19:10 |
| fungi | with general suggestions about how to close down the ability to open new lp bugs, updating project description on lp with a direct link to the new tracker, updating your readme or contributing files with similar changes, et cetera | 19:10 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (well specifically, they were wondering if sb supported that) | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, yeah I saw that, I will need to start mentioning that too when I reach out/coordinate dates | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (which it doesn't, and I don't know how it would) | 19:11 |
| fungi | on that one i would say sb "supports" it insofar as you can stick hyperlinks in comments of the story and the lp bug report pointing at one another | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | that's true | 19:11 |
| fungi | really more of a workaround, but whatever | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, I'm vaguely wondering if there could be a nicer ui for that, but I also don't know who would do it | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | LP is FULL of workarounds | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | so they should be used to that | 19:12 |
| fungi | the solution is to get the rest of the teams to migrate as far as i'm concerned | 19:12 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | indeed | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, +1 | 19:12 |
| SotK | +1 | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | I reached out to TripleO, Tacker, and Octavia last week and havent heard back yet | 19:12 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ace, thank you | 19:12 |
| fungi | eventually, down the road, it could make sense for stories to have a bucket for external references where you could link to other bug trackers | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, I've always wanted that | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (and of course the converse, for when every other tracker is like 'WE NEED TO SUPPORT STORYBOARD') | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (I have big dreams =D) | 19:13 |
| fungi | some trackers (including lp) have some limited ability to even track statuses of bugs reported in external trackers, though more useful there since their primary use case was tracking bugs in ubuntu which often needed to depend on upstream reports in various other software off-lp | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | also I think I tested Octavia but not the others there, idk if anybody else has | 19:14 |
| fungi | if sb implemented something like that at some point, i wouldn't object but i really don't think it's a necessity for our use case | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, it's on my 'nice to have' pile because we've been asked a few times 'is it possible to import bugs from $otherthing'? | 19:15 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | and generally importing is more complex than just watching some statuses or similar | 19:15 |
| fungi | what people mostly want in that case is not so much importing as reflecting | 19:16 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yep | 19:16 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | though I suppose once they're reflected in one way, there'd be a 'can we put them in a board' etc | 19:17 |
| fungi | right, like "shadow" stories or tasks | 19:17 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, I think after some point the import script would start to look like the simpler option for those | 19:18 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but I'm just guessing really | 19:18 |
| fungi | it does certainly stretch the current data model a lot oterwise | 19:19 |
| fungi | otherwise | 19:19 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | *nod* | 19:19 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Open Discussion | 19:20 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | we were already openly discussing | 19:20 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so I have updated the log | 19:20 |
| * SotK certainly thinks that migration scripts would be an easier solution for such use cases | 19:20 | |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I don't think I have any discussion topics of my own this week | 19:22 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | anybody else? | 19:22 |
| * SotK doesn't | 19:22 | |
| diablo_rojo | Nope. Just need to dig in, | 19:22 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | in that case, I propose we end the meeting so I can get round to faxing fungi that slice of pizza | 19:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Fax me one too please :) | 19:23 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | sure! | 19:23 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | step 1) locate a fax machine | 19:23 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | step 2) learn how to use it | 19:24 |
| fungi | i'll be listening for the fax noises | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | step 3) work out the whole 'it's a pizza' thing | 19:24 |
| * fungi is sure he has a fax lying around here somewhere still | 19:24 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ooh | 19:24 |
| fungi | duct tape a scanner, printer and modem together. instant fax machine | 19:25 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | http://24.media.tumblr.com/7617172e353ff43f644ca142e5c58984/tumblr_mxewn5OXVt1s3yr8vo1_500.png | 19:25 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | photo of the pizza and definitely not a random picture I just found on the internet | 19:25 |
| fungi | it's a long-standing (though perhaps long-forgotten?) techie joke | 19:25 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :D | 19:26 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ will end the meeting now | 19:26 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #endmeeting | 19:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:26 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 31 19:26:36 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-05-31-19.00.html | 19:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-05-31-19.00.txt | 19:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-05-31-19.00.log.html | 19:26 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks, everyone! :) | 19:26 |
| fungi | thanks zara_the_lemur__! | 19:26 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | pizza should be on its way, not sure how fast this fax works | 19:27 |
| SotK | thanks zara_the_lemur__ :) | 19:27 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 31 21:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| timburke | yay! | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| cschwede_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
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| clayg | yo yo yo | 21:00 |
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| rledisez | o/ | 21:00 |
| jeffli | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:01 |
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| tdasilva | hello | 21:01 |
| joeljwright | 0/ | 21:01 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:01 |
| acoles | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | I feel like I just talked to half of you ;-) | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:01 |
| notmyname | jeffli: were you aware of the swift meeting that was 14 hours ago? | 21:01 |
| notmyname | jeffli: probably a much better meeting time for your time zone :-) | 21:02 |
| notmyname | anyway, that's one of the topics for *this* meeting today | 21:02 |
| jeffli | yeah. but I had an unexpected meeting at that time. | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | me too! | 21:02 |
| notmyname | actually, no. I expected it | 21:02 |
| notmyname | meeting agenda page is... | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: you had conflicts meetings at midnight? | 21:03 |
| notmyname | yeah. sleep ;-) | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | also video games | 21:03 |
| joeljwright | pfft, sleep | 21:03 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:03 |
| notmyname | there's a few things to go over in this meeting today, so let's get started | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #topic last meeting follow-ups | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "last meeting follow-ups (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:04 | |
| notmyname | ok, meta comment: "this meeting" "next meeting" and "last meeting" are now confusing | 21:04 |
| clayg | har har | 21:04 |
| notmyname | personally, I do not want to have a "main" meeting and "alternate" meeting | 21:04 |
| notmyname | so I've been referring to them as the 0700 meeting and the 2100 meeting | 21:04 |
| notmyname | (this is the 2100 meeting) | 21:05 |
| notmyname | ok, so last 2100 meeting follow-ups | 21:05 |
| clayg | ^ nice | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | again, no status updates on writing things down for the pike goals. but I'll keep it on the agenda to keep guilting myself about it | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: last week you promised charts and graphs about memory consuption. did you and/or jeffli get a chance to work on that? | 21:06 |
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| acoles | notmyname: I think I promised you a patch on the uwsgi goal | 21:06 |
| acoles | notmyname: but I haven't done it ... yet | 21:06 |
| rledisez | notmyname: not on my side, we were off most of the week | 21:06 |
| clayg | i promise nothing | 21:06 |
| rledisez | notmyname: for next we should have them | 21:06 |
| notmyname | rledisez: ..and a mailing list discussion | 21:06 |
| clayg | rledisez: that's the ticket! | 21:06 |
| notmyname | great, thanks | 21:06 |
| notmyname | acoles: ok :-) | 21:06 |
| jeffli | me neither | 21:07 |
| rledisez | notmyname: same for mailing discussion, we'll start it by the end of this week | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | the ML discussion was the share that memory info (and the related discussion about which LOSF scheme to use), right? | 21:07 |
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| rledisez | yes, so that anyone can follow progression and choices and give insight | 21:08 |
| notmyname | ok, perfect | 21:08 |
| clayg | so perfect | 21:08 |
| notmyname | I'll look for that ML thread from rledisez and jeffli this week | 21:08 |
| clayg | rledisez: is a hero | 21:08 |
| notmyname | please let me know if you need any help on it | 21:08 |
| clayg | jeffli: is a hero | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | Yay to heros | 21:08 |
| notmyname | ok, next up | 21:09 |
| clayg | notmyname: is a facilitator of global communication | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | patch 466255 from tdasilva and cschwede_ | 21:09 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466255/ - swift - Make mount_check option usable in containerized en... | 21:09 |
| * clayg hi-five's mattoliverau for assistance with the running commentary | 21:09 | |
| notmyname | and we were waiting for comments from cschwede_ | 21:09 |
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| cschwede_ | uhm, what do you want to hear? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | ...which it looks like we have? | 21:10 |
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| mattoliverau | clayg: it's you and me buddy | 21:10 |
| notmyname | there was one question about the re-instroduction of the lstat() call? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | not that the comment needs to be updated, but are we ok with the additional call? | 21:11 |
| cschwede_ | well, it's adding one lstat, but then it's only happening when you have an unmounted or failed disk | 21:11 |
| cschwede_ | it should not happen when you're running outside containers with healthy disks | 21:11 |
| notmyname | I like "the normal case is unaffected" | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | so clayg already had a +2 on it | 21:12 |
| notmyname | and IIRC is still good with it | 21:12 |
| cschwede_ | right, normal usecases should'nt be affected at all (hopefully?) | 21:12 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: can you please remove your -2 cork? | 21:13 |
| notmyname | zaitcev has a +1 | 21:13 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: sure | 21:13 |
| notmyname | so we need another core to review it (zaitcev or otherwise) | 21:13 |
| cschwede_ | i mean if someone has a better idea for containers, i'm happy to hear about it - i didn't see one so far | 21:13 |
| notmyname | well, the big question is "were the concerns over the stat call addressed?" | 21:13 |
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| cschwede_ | clayg? ^^ | 21:14 |
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| tdasilva | clayg: cschwede_: is there a more 'elegant' solution? the bug clayg linked seemed to detail a better way to solve this | 21:15 |
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| tdasilva | so maybe we could have a short term and long term solution? | 21:15 |
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| tdasilva | I know clayg was also concerned about doing things just for containers | 21:16 |
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| clayg | I think mostly the stat syscall (which returns false for everyone except cschwede_'s containers) will mostly be cached/quick - I wouldn't worry about it if I thought there was no way solve the use-case with out it | 21:16 |
| cschwede_ | well, as written in the comments - doing stats has some benefits, because it detects broken disks that are still mounted (probably not always, but at least sometimes) | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | the docstring implies that if we add the lstat() back in, we might as well use the python version of it instead of our own (but I haven't looked at python's in a long time) | 21:17 |
| clayg | tdasilva: not worried about "doing things just for containers" - worried about "trying to do the *right* thing being slower than just 'doing the first obvious thing that seems to work for containers' (and also then that slowness causing contempt or alienating potential contributions)" | 21:18 |
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| cschwede_ | no, that's different afaict - that's another lstat in "normal" cases iirc | 21:18 |
| cschwede_ | notmyname: ^^ | 21:18 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: ah ok | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ok, so for this meeting, we've got it sorted, and we need another reviewer. shall we ping zaitcev about it? or does someone else want to volunteer? | 21:19 |
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| tdasilva | o/ | 21:19 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: thanks | 21:19 |
| cschwede_ | thx Thiago! | 21:20 |
| notmyname | ok, last thing in the follow-up section is "composite ring" | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | and that's landed! | 21:21 |
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| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:21 |
| kota_ | \o/ | 21:22 |
| notmyname | #topic 0700 meeting update | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | all right. report on the first 0700 meeting | 21:22 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: quick question for kota_ and other folks working on composite rings | 21:22 |
| tdasilva | what's left for the global EC work? | 21:23 |
| notmyname | yeah, what's uo? | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | mahatic: did a great job chairing | 21:23 |
| tdasilva | just trying to catch up | 21:23 |
| notmyname | mahatic: thanks for chairing | 21:23 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: follow-ups on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:23 |
| acoles | tdasilva: IIRC there are some follow up patches e.g. doc changes | 21:23 |
| notmyname | here's a brief summary of the earlier meeting | 21:23 |
| kota_ | tdasilva: true for acoles | 21:24 |
| notmyname | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-05-31-07.00.html | 21:24 |
| notmyname | the next 0700 meeting will be on june 14. acoles will chair | 21:24 |
| acoles | tdasilva: longer term there are some EC GET path optimisations we may want to make | 21:24 |
| acoles | to do with duplicate frags | 21:24 |
| kota_ | tdasilva: and, making CLI binary for composite ring builder may be needed too | 21:25 |
| notmyname | there are lots of EC reconstructor optimizations we "may want to make" (regardless of "global ec" or not) ;-) | 21:25 |
| * acoles apparently has first nick by alphabetical order | 21:25 | |
| notmyname | ok, for meeting transition follow-ups... | 21:26 |
| tdasilva | acoles, kota_ thanks! | 21:26 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau is going to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289664/ and roll in clayg's comments | 21:26 |
| patchbot | patch 289664 - swift - Make eventlet.tpool's thread count configurable in... | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | That's why I'm changing my nick to zzzmattoliverau :p | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | and we need to bring up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371150/ in this meeting now | 21:27 |
| patchbot | patch 371150 - swift - Return 404 on a GET if tombstone is newer | 21:27 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: i'm almost done sending another patchset for that | 21:27 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: great! | 21:27 |
| clayg | tdasilva: that's awesome | 21:27 |
| notmyname | yeah, the 0700 meeting was like "it hasn't been touched in a month, needs to get in, but everyone who's looked at it is asleep" ;-) | 21:27 |
| timburke | i'd like to add https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302494/ to the list of priority patches that haven't had movement in a month. the only change has been to break out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464084/ as a separate patch since it's a bit of a change in how the replicator works | 21:28 |
| patchbot | patch 302494 - swift - Sync metadata in 'rsync_then_merge' in db_replicator | 21:28 |
| patchbot | patch 464084 - swift - Apply remote metadata in _handle_sync_response | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | adjusting meeting topic to reflect the converstation | 21:29 |
| notmyname | #topic patches that need attention | 21:29 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: I'll be back at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302494/ in this week | 21:29 |
| notmyname | for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302494/ we need other reviewers | 21:29 |
| patchbot | patch 302494 - swift - Sync metadata in 'rsync_then_merge' in db_replicator | 21:29 |
| patchbot | patch 302494 - swift - Sync metadata in 'rsync_then_merge' in db_replicator | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | kota_: thanks :-) | 21:29 |
| joeljwright | I'd love people to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365371/ | 21:30 |
| patchbot | patch 365371 - swift - Add Preamble and Postamble to SLO and SegmentedIte... | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | hang on hang on. we've got several patches to discuss | 21:30 |
| joeljwright | sorry | 21:30 |
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| joeljwright | :D | 21:30 |
| notmyname | first patch 302494 then path 365371 | 21:30 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302494/ - swift - Sync metadata in 'rsync_then_merge' in db_replicator | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302494/ it's been split out ( timburke: because it changes the behavior?) and needs reviews | 21:31 |
| patchbot | patch 302494 - swift - Sync metadata in 'rsync_then_merge' in db_replicator | 21:31 |
| notmyname | timburke: should we wait until we get reviews on the dependency from kota_? | 21:31 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think timburke and kota_ can tell us when that one is ready | 21:31 |
| clayg | timburke: may already know it's done? | 21:31 |
| clayg | so someone could race kota through the first sanity review - or sweep with +A if he's already commited? | 21:32 |
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| clayg | IIRC it's one of those must fix things - the question is in how much follow will be needed once we grok the issue and land the damn thing | 21:32 |
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| kota_ | clayg: correct, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302494/ is what we must fix and the other is optional improvement IIRC | 21:33 |
| patchbot | patch 302494 - swift - Sync metadata in 'rsync_then_merge' in db_replicator | 21:33 |
| notmyname | kota_: timburke: how does that sound to you? | 21:33 |
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| clayg | keep it tight that's always my suggestion | 21:33 |
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| kota_ | probably, I will be able to give my +2 for the first one in near future | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | great | 21:34 |
| timburke | i'm rather certain the first one is good to go -- i've just meddled with it enough that i'm not sure i'm an unbiased reviewer. the follow-up is a bit more of an open question, but should be ready to merge if we want it | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | kk | 21:34 |
| kota_ | on the second one, I'm not entierly sure if it's *good* thing for us | 21:34 |
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| clayg | timburke: second set of eyes is good always - too easy to get code-blind | 21:34 |
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| clayg | kota_: timburke: let's focus on landing the critical fix - follow up is... follow up | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | let's focus on the first one fir this week | 21:35 |
| notmyname | yeah :-) | 21:35 |
| timburke | and clayg's thought about keeping it tight is why i split it into two changes | 21:35 |
| kota_ | yup, will do at least this week. | 21:35 |
| clayg | timburke: is a hero! | 21:35 |
| notmyname | ok, joeljwright's patch 365371 | 21:35 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365371/ - swift - Add Preamble and Postamble to SLO and SegmentedIte... | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | this is new functionality to swift. offers some pretty interesting stuff (that joeljwright wants to use in his cluster) | 21:35 |
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| joeljwright | timburke has been looking at it and torgomatic expressed some interest a while back | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | IIRC this enables being able to download tar files from swift that are dynamically composed | 21:36 |
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| joeljwright | that's certainly my use case - avoiding storing lots of tiny objects that only make sense combined with actual data | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | but in this case you'll be storing the tiny files and then make a tarfile manifest to download them all at once? | 21:37 |
| joeljwright | all the tar specific data would be base64 encodeed and stored in the manifest | 21:37 |
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| clayg | notmyname: I think joeljwright was contrarsting with storing the pre-amble and post-amble *as* objects - then preamble postamble slo is just... a slo | 21:38 |
| joeljwright | as pre/postambles to the objects | 21:38 |
| notmyname | oh, I see. instead of making individual object of the tar metadata, you dynamically build it | 21:38 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:38 |
| cschwede_ | me totally wants this - currently doing something similar for backups... | 21:38 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: does that mean you could review it? | 21:38 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:38 |
| cschwede_ | sure! | 21:39 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:39 |
| notmyname | nice! | 21:39 |
| joeljwright | thanks! | 21:39 |
| clayg | joeljwright: is there any write up on the API? | 21:39 |
| joeljwright | it's all in the SLO docstring atm | 21:39 |
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| clayg | the use-case seems more like "instead of storing some SLO segments as objects (or a range of an object) I want them to be data written directly into the manifest" | 21:39 |
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| * tdasilva wonders if gnocchi driver could use this | 21:40 | |
| joeljwright | clayg: yes that's the use-case | 21:40 |
| clayg | joeljwright: maybe a script/snippet that says "here's three examples of different things (two useful one crayz) how you use this new api capability for awesomeness success and winning" | 21:40 |
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| joeljwright | clayg: I'll have a think | 21:41 |
| clayg | joeljwright: so is it *pre/post*amble - or just add inline object support to SLO segments | 21:41 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: when you look at it, please keep an eye out for what would be good docs :-) | 21:41 |
| joeljwright | timburke already created a gist to make tarballs :) Now I just need other examples! | 21:41 |
| notmyname | oh cool | 21:41 |
| clayg | notmyname: timburke: do we just recheck to make the doc build refresh? | 21:41 |
| timburke | https://gist.github.com/tipabu/5c96175d26fac1ec1771b5d01c6573a7 | 21:41 |
| timburke | clayg: ya | 21:41 |
| notmyname | that would be nice to include in the tree then | 21:41 |
| clayg | notmyname: the code snippet? | 21:42 |
| timburke | notmyname: i believe joeljwright's intention is to write a new middleware to do exactly that :-) | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | oh, I said that before I clicked the link ;-) | 21:42 |
| joeljwright | I modified timburke's example to use the python tarfile lib: https://gist.github.com/joel-wright/b8282f689ff1a622c035cd2741e8e265 | 21:42 |
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| clayg | notmyname: maybe in the doc/prose - but it could also just go in a gist referenced in the review | 21:42 |
| notmyname | no, I don't want to link to timburke's gists in the swift source tree | 21:42 |
| timburke | well aren't *we* fancy :P | 21:42 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:42 |
| notmyname | ok, we've got a plan on this patch for this week | 21:43 |
| timburke | notmyname: you do enough linking to my gists as it is | 21:43 |
| notmyname | a couple of others I wanted to bring up... | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | first, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435152/ | 21:43 |
| patchbot | patch 435152 - swift - Do not sync suffixes when remote rejects reconstru... (MERGED) | 21:43 |
| clayg | oh, every segment needs it's own pre-amble post amble | 21:44 |
| notmyname | I did some backport releases this week, and I noticed that although we backported this patch and have now (or soon) released it, we haven't actually released this on master. it's post-2.14.0 | 21:44 |
| clayg | interesting... | 21:44 |
| notmyname | which raises the question of tagging another swift release | 21:44 |
| notmyname | which is totally fine. or not. what do you think? | 21:44 |
| clayg | I had imagined [{'preabmle'}, {'object1'}, {'object2'}, {'postamble'}] | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | seems that if it's important enough to backport, it's important enough to cut a release for | 21:45 |
| notmyname | but I'd like input from everyone else | 21:45 |
| notmyname | what are your thoughts? | 21:45 |
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| timburke | clayg: yeah, i had a similar thought... in particular, i was reminded of things like data uris... | 21:45 |
| clayg | but I could also imagine an api [{'blah1'}, {'object1'}, {'blah2'}, {'blah3'}, {'object2'}, {'blah4'}] | 21:45 |
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| timburke | certainly in the context of a tlo, having it in the object dict makes perfect sense | 21:46 |
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| acoles | notmyname: I hadn't realised we backported that | 21:46 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/Ia72c407247e4525ef071a1728750850807ae8231,n,z | 21:46 |
| notmyname | yep | 21:47 |
| joeljwright | clayg: pre/postambles are optional and can be mixed in any combination for each object | 21:47 |
| clayg | notmyname: i thought that was a minor optimization - also not understanding the backport (unlike the *other* suffix hashing *bug* which was both terrible *and* inefficient) | 21:47 |
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| clayg | joeljwright: but can I have a segment that is *just* a pre-post amble - like an "inline" segment instead of a segment that is referencing another object or a range of an object | 21:48 |
| notmyname | clayg: acoles: ok. I'll let it sit for now | 21:48 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah I think it's weird that got backported - so what's the question? it's done now right? | 21:48 |
| clayg | :shipit: who cares | 21:48 |
| notmyname | yeah, it's done | 21:48 |
| acoles | notmyname: well we have a lot of new stuff recently landed so a release might make sense soon | 21:48 |
| joeljwright | Hmmmm, zero byte objects are allowed as segments if they have a pre/post amble | 21:48 |
| notmyname | lol, you just described our backport policy ;-) | 21:48 |
| notmyname | acoles: indeed, but I won't rush for it | 21:48 |
| notmyname | ok, last patch on the agenda.. | 21:49 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468105/ | 21:49 |
| patchbot | patch 468105 - swift - Require that known-bad EC schemes be deprecated | 21:49 |
| notmyname | for clayg and timburke to bring up | 21:49 |
| clayg | timburke: is definitely the hero here | 21:49 |
| clayg | just the other day I logged into a lab cluster and noticed those messages being logged | 21:49 |
| clayg | going to be really rough when I upgrade to the version of swift that makes your proxies not start - but hey - at least I'll %^&*ing fix my lab clusters! | 21:50 |
| kota_ | oic | 21:50 |
| * clayg so lazy | 21:50 | |
| notmyname | I definitely support preventing this known-bad config | 21:50 |
| kota_ | sounds good to me | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | timburke: do you have, off-hand, the releases of when we said it was deprecated? | 21:50 |
| notmyname | just ocata? | 21:51 |
| timburke | if i remember right, yeah | 21:51 |
| notmyname | changelog has it there (2.13.0) | 21:51 |
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| timburke | we backported to newton, but that doesn't mean people upgraded | 21:52 |
| notmyname | ok, so we need to check the deprecation policy. but if we land it now (ie "Pike" series), I think we'll be ok. IIRC the deprecation is to keep it as a warning for one openstack cycle and remove it in the next | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | however, this is also a Big Deal, and there's very little reason to leave that particular issue lurking for operators | 21:53 |
| clayg | be nice if we had some cluster-assisted-policy-migration up in there | 21:53 |
| timburke | yeah, i'm cool with landing it whenever -- i just wanted to be aggressive since that config harms durability | 21:53 |
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| clayg | well - it's worse if you have an old liberasurecode - at least now we 503 instead of corrupt data | 21:54 |
| notmyname | "oh you lost all your data because you selected some parameters? we knew it was bad, but we still let you do that because we didn't warn people long enough" <<<--- a terrible terrible message and we shoudl feel bad if we do it | 21:54 |
| acoles | notmyname: timburke is there any value in a half way step i.e. force the bad policy to be deprecated in the policy config sense, so that it becomes read only? | 21:54 |
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| clayg | oh i like that - instead of refusing to start just auto deprecate - noice | 21:55 |
| acoles | otherwise we go from warning to no data, right? | 21:55 |
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| timburke | clayg: a plus, but how does that get handled in the reconstructor? do we go grab another frag, or just skip it and hope we have better luck later? | 21:55 |
| clayg | people be like "where'd my policy go" - and we be like "ftfy" | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | yeah, that is a good idea. timburke, thoughts? | 21:55 |
| clayg | timburke: yeah | 21:55 |
| timburke | ...how would we handle single-policy deployments? | 21:56 |
| notmyname | timburke: read-only | 21:56 |
| clayg | notmyname: there is no such thing as a read-only policy | 21:56 |
| timburke | no, just no-new-containers | 21:56 |
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| acoles | timburke: h, you mean you gotta have *one* policy not deprecated | 21:57 |
| tdasilva | can't deprecate if you only have one policy, right? | 21:57 |
| notmyname | yeah, sorry, if you only have one and it gets deprecated, things don't work | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | will the proxy just not start? | 21:57 |
| notmyname | which is the same as what's proposed now | 21:57 |
| notmyname | effectively | 21:57 |
| acoles | I wonder if we can special case this though | 21:57 |
| clayg | tdasilva: yeah I think if you do the checks in the right order it could still say "This policy is bad and it's deprecated now; I can't start unless you have at least one not-deprecated policy" | 21:58 |
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| clayg | still not *great* - but the whole idea is we're doing something - something mean - and the beatings will continue until your cluster configuration improves! | 21:58 |
| notmyname | timburke: can you work through these questions in that patch this week? | 21:58 |
| timburke | also, i'm not sure we'd really be doing operators any favors by hiding the issue -- you need to deal with this, and one of the first steps to dealing with it is to have a good, non-deprecated policy to migrate to | 21:58 |
| notmyname | oh! one more note from the 0700 meeting. now that composite rings has landed, cschwede_ is unblocked on part power increase and will be moving forward on it again! | 21:59 |
| acoles | timburke: +1 you need to make a good policy anyway to move on from this terrible place | 21:59 |
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| timburke | (also worth remembering: even with the policy deprecated, you'll *still* have new data being written with the bad config) | 21:59 |
| notmyname | bah. we're at full time for the meeting | 21:59 |
| clayg | womp womp | 21:59 |
| timburke | that's a whole *other problem that needs addressing | 22:00 |
| notmyname | ok, I'm trusting that timburke will keep thinking on this and type up some awesome code for it | 22:00 |
| notmyname | :-) | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | thank you all for coming to this meeting | 22:00 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 22:00 |
| notmyname | and for about half of you, it's your second swift meeting in 24 hours! | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thank you for your commitment to swift | 22:00 |
| acoles | notmyname: it's great! two in a single day! | 22:01 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 31 22:01:06 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-05-31-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-05-31-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-05-31-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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