Thursday, 2017-06-01

ekcstime for congress meeting. thinrichs masahito00:01
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ekcsHi all!00:02
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ekcshope everyone's having a great week.00:02
ekcslist of topics are here as usual.
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thinrichsHi all.  Sorry I'm late00:08
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ekcshi thinrichs !00:09
thinrichsekcs: hi00:10
ekcsno one else has joined, so it may be just you and me today. ramineni let me know she won't be joining today.00:10
ekcsanyway I don't have much to day other than just announcements about the policy library tasks and policy UI sketch I sent out over ML and seeing if there is any questions/comments/discussion.00:12
thinrichsI don't have much either.  We could look through the UI sketch.  I haven't done that yet00:13
ekcsbut if it's just you and me we could talk about whatever makes sense and call it a meeting.00:13
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ekcs#topic policy monitoring UI00:13
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ekcsbased on some of the discussion at PTG, the minimal thing to display on the main panel would be 1. number of policies violated. and 2. some info about the violations00:15
ekcsSo I put those up. and each of the violated policies would be a link to the policy page that already exists, modified to include a section that shows the violation table. see "per policy page" on mockflow00:16
ekcsIn addition to this most basic panel, other things that have been suggested are:00:17
ekcs- show violations that have been resolved by remediation.00:17
ekcs- show which data sources are involved in causing each policy violation00:17
ekcs- show a count of how "big" the violation is perhaps by number of tuples in the violation table.00:18
thinrichsThe per-policy page makes sense00:19
thinrichsI feel like we want more info on the main page00:19
ekcsgreat any thoughts on what more info to give?00:20
thinrichsWe'd need to add a log somewhere to show violations resolved by remediation00:20
thinrichsdatasources involved is info we have00:20
thinrichsThe count of violations for each policy makes sense00:20
thinrichsMaybe in that row00:21
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thinrichsIf we had multiple severities of violations, we could display those too.  error(), warning(), etc.00:21
ekcshmm interesting.00:22
thinrichsI wonder if having each violation on that front-page would be valuable.  Maybe we could hide them until the user clicks on something00:22
ekcsset aside several different "violation tables" to indicate severity to the UI.00:22
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ekcsok I updated it. how about something like this?00:25
ekcswith additional color coding based on presence of error/warning00:26
ekcsI didn't understand the last thing you said about whether to have each violation on that front page. by each violation do you mean each policy violated or each tuple in the violation table?00:26
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masahitohi! sorry, late...00:27
thinrichseach tuple00:27
ekcshi masahito . we're talking about policy monitoring UI.00:27
masahitoekcs: got it.00:28
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ekcsthinrichs, maybe displaying the first 1-2 is helpful.00:28
ekcsbut probably not more.00:28
thinrichsIf I wanted to see any (of a given severity), I'd want to see them all (up to pagination requirements)00:30
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thinrichsSo if we think showing all the errors isn't a good idea, I'd say we leave them as is.00:30
ekcshmm ok.00:31
ekcsyou mentioned data sources involved. I wanted to ask about the state of the "explanation" facility.00:32
ekcsat some point we can implement a general explanation UI that a user can drill down to see the data that feed into deriving each tuple.00:33
ekcsbut I haven't looked at the code deeply to see how far or close we are from that.00:33
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thinrichsThere's no UI.00:34
thinrichsIt'll give you the trace00:34
thinrichsI think there's a —trace option from the CLI00:35
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ekcsok so it's just UI work to query and display that, but the infrastructure is there.00:35
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ekcshow does it handle multiple derivations?00:36
thinrichsCall, Exit, Redo00:37
ekcsmasahito, any thoughts on the UI sketches? feel free to jump in  = )00:37
thinrichsYou'll want to look at the trace00:37
thinrichsI don't have one handy00:37
thinrichsReturns as text00:38
ekcsoh ok I get it. I've seen it before.00:38
thinrichsSo to push into the UI, we'd need to change the output to produce <div> or the like00:38
ekcsdo you see any major challenge to enabling user to click on any tuple to drill down into explanation?00:39
masahitoekcs: do you think users can customize violated tables except error and warning00:39
ekcsmasahito, totally open to our design now. what would you suggest?00:39
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ekcsdo you think deployers/ops need a customizable set of types of violations? or just need more than two but can use a fixed set? or these two are enough?00:40
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masahitoI thinkg table names which users want to see in main panel are different depending on the user's demands.00:40
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ekcsgot it. is to more about the name or about the levels?00:42
masahitothe example policies represents 'errors' status of the cloud.00:42
masahitoit's more about name.00:42
ekcsI see so you're thinking about having existing policy that says `errors` instead of `error` but you want the UI to pick it up.00:43
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masahitofor instance, when I want to write a policy like, 'well maintained instances', there could be 'maintained' table and 'not maintained' table00:44
ekcsone way to handle that is to have add a special table in each policy: something like violation_tables(name, severity)00:45
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ekcsbut another way to handle that is to add an additional rule: like warning(...) :- not_maintained(...)00:45
ekcseither way something needs to be added to the policy, and I feel the second way is more straightforward because it doesn't introduce more concept into the system. what do you think?00:47
masahitoif the concept of monitoring panel is to use the panel instead of monitor lamp, seconds one makes sense.00:48
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ekcssorry I'm unfamiliar with monitor lamp.00:49
masahitoit's a tool usually operators use to monitor system00:50
ekcsand so if we go with a fixed set of violation tables, how many levels do you feel we need?00:50
ekcsgot it.00:50
ekcsmasahito: if the concept of monitoring panel is to use the panel instead of monitor lamp, seconds one makes sense.00:50
ekcsso what's the scenario where second one doesn't make sense?00:51
ekcsjust so we consider it.00:51
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masahitooops, long url...00:53
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ekcshaha can you use url shortener?00:54
ekcslike https://is.gd00:54
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masahitopage 8 in the slide.
masahitoMapping all tables to some level tables, errors, warnings and so one is useful for monitoring operations.00:55
masahitoon the other hands, if the administrators of the cloud want to get more informations from the panel, the levels have less information.00:57
masahitolike the admins are needed to react the error right now or they can wait to handle the error by tomorrow.00:58
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masahitobut now that I'm thinking about it, the panel is a main panel and mapping some events to 2 or 3 levels is nice for operations.00:59
ekcshmm ok.01:00
ekcswell we're out of time. continue on web tools and next time then.01:01
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ekcsthanks for bringing up more ops perspective!01:01
ekcsthanks all!01:01
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zhenguo#startmeeting mogan02:01
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zhenguoanybody else here?02:02
zhenguoluyao, Xinran: are you here?02:03
luyaozhenguo, yes02:04
zhenguook, as always, the agenda:02:04
zhenguolet's jump in02:04
zhenguo#topic announcements and reminders02:04
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zhenguoI sent out a mail to ask if we can share the same keyword baremetal with ironic in CLI02:04
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zhenguoalthough there are no collisions presently, but maybe happen in future02:05
zhenguodo you have any suggestions about this?02:05
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zhenguosome guys suggest we should at lest use another keywork like ironic inspecter to group mogan commands02:06
zhenguolike openstack baremetal compute xxx02:06
_liushengBut this make some commands too long02:07
* zhenguo let me find the mail thread 02:07
zhenguo_liusheng: yes, that's also my concern02:07
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litao__change baremetal to another keyword?02:08
zhenguolitao__: yes02:08
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zhenguomaybe we can change to use 'bm'02:08
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zhenguoopenstack bm server list/show/create/delete02:08
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zhenguoespecially 'baremetal server' and 'baremetal node' are synonyms02:09
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zhenguoas we also want to add node aggregates support, it may cause collision with ironic 'openstack baremetal node xx'02:10
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zhenguoso the long term solution is to change to use another keyword02:11
zhenguobm? maybe02:12
_liushengOr may we don't use the "baremetal "?02:12
zhenguo_liusheng: yes02:12
litao__just 'openstack server'?02:13
_liushengSeems it is proper for Ironic but not for Morgan02:13
zhenguolitao__: hah, that's what nova does02:13
zhenguo_liusheng: do you have any suggestions?02:14
litao__is 'physical server' OK?02:14
_liushengIMO the bare means physical server without OS02:14
zhenguolitao__: physical seems a bit strange02:14
_liushengWe provide deployed physical server02:15
zhenguo_liusheng: not exactly, they all call it baremetal server02:15
_liushengHah personal thought02:15
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zhenguo'baremetal server' is the best choice for me, but we should avoid confusions02:16
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zhenguoI propose to change to replace baremetal with bm, if you don't have any other suggestions02:18
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zhenguoor maybe we can think this more and discuss later02:18
_liushengBut they means same thing02:18
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zhenguo_liusheng: yes, we just need a same thing here02:19
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litao__Did anybody deny us for using ‘baremetal server’?02:20
Xinransorry i'm late02:20
zhenguoXinran: np02:20
zhenguolitao__: currently not, but ironic guys a bit -1 for this02:21
_liushengyes I think there shouldn't be a namespace concept02:21
zhenguo_liusheng: yes, I also think one keyword should not belongs to one service02:22
_liushengFor osc  it should only care the resource of openstack02:22
zhenguo_liusheng: hah02:22
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zhenguoso, we can keep the baremetal keywrord? lol02:23
zhenguoyou guys can reply the mail to get more suggestions from the community02:24
litao__yes, we can fight with ironic guys02:24
zhenguolitao__: not fight, hah02:25
zhenguolitao__: they don't deny us for using baremetal02:25
litao__zhenguo: lol02:25
zhenguolitao__: we need to join force with ironic02:25
zhenguoso, just keep the CLI pattern now until we got some other better suggestions02:26
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_liushengThe gap between different projects should be invisible for users02:27
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litao__zhenguo: agree02:27
zhenguo_liusheng: yes, users should only care about what resouces they managed02:28
zhenguolitao__: hah02:28
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zhenguook, let's move on02:29
zhenguowe are still very light on docs :(02:30
zhenguonot sure if you noticed the mail to ask mogan architecture diagram02:30
litao__hah,  just in wiki page02:32
zhenguolitao__: yes, we should make more time on docs02:33
zhenguowe can talk about his task in next topic02:33
zhenguonot much of announcement, anyone else have a thing here?02:33
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zhenguoif not, let's move on02:34
zhenguo#topic task tracking02:34
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zhenguoI created a new etherpad for mogan priorities02:35
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zhenguoplease check the priorties and the owner, let's try to land them all before Pike release02:39
zhenguozhangyang: hi, for node aggregates and server groups, do you and liudong still have time to do it?02:40
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zhangyangzhenguo: yes, we are working on it02:41
zhenguowanghao will help to send out our task status report every week02:41
zhenguozhangyang: ok, thanks, I assign the tasks to you two in the new therpad, please update it every week02:42
zhangyangzhenguo: ok, np02:42
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zhenguo_liusheng:  I added the scheduler hints task to server groups, please check02:44
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_liushengOk thanks02:44
zhenguoshaohe_feng, luyao, Xinran: I assign the valence integration task to us, please also check02:45
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zhenguook, anyone else have a thing here?02:47
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zhenguo#topic open discussion02:48
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zhenguowho's got a thing here02:48
zhenguoif not, we can end the meeting02:50
zhenguothanks all for joining02:50
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ianychoijpich, hello!07:03
jpichGood morning!07:03
ianychoiIt seems that you and me are online for today I18n meeting07:03
jpichHah! Maybe let's wait a bit then? I haven't looked at the agenda yet07:05
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ianychoiAha yep:) Please visit
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ianychoiNo problem :)07:06
ianychoiAnyone for I18n meeting today?07:06
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ianychoijpich, it seems that you and me are online - Are you interested in some of today topics?07:16
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ianychoiIf you are fine, I wanna run a short I18n IRC meeting today07:16
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jpichI'm always curious but I don't think I'm the main audience for most of the items :(07:17
jpichWhat are the current i18n activities?07:17
ianychoiI see :) Let's briefly discuss :)07:18
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ianychoi#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting07:18
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  1 07:18:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.07:18
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)"07:18
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'07:18
ianychoi#topic User survey translation status07:18
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ianychoi#info Skipping since no language coordinators are here unfortunately in today irc meeting07:19
ianychoi#topic Reviewing I18n current activities07:19
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ianychoi#info Translated PDF support - ianychoi investigated on some implementation details and he will propose a spec to docs-specs07:20
ianychoi#info Proposing a translate-support governance tag: slow progress but ianychoi will do :)07:20
jpichIs PDF support about translating source document that are PDFs, or making sure the PDF outputs look ok in all the languages?07:21
ianychoi#info Python 3 support in i18n repo: need to define how to test some tools and I have recently found that some Python scripts look fine but output generation is error07:21
ianychoijpich, aha PDF support from translated sources :)07:22
jpichHappy to help with poking/reviewing the translate-support tag document, in etherpad form or in gerrit or wherever :)07:22
ianychoi#info translate-dev.o.o currently uses openstackid-dev. ianychoi and openstackid developer discussed for future directions and some details how to support authentication in translate-dev.o.o for existing users07:23
ianychoijpich, thanks a lot and sorry for my slow progress :(07:23
jpichIt's ok! Everyone is always busy, and you've had a lot going on especially :)07:24
jpichStill plenty of time in the cycle07:24
ianychoi#info I18n PTL is curious on new functionalities in newer version of Zanata and fortunately newer version of Zanata (4.2) can be rather easily deployed to current openstack-infra (since Java 8 and Wildfly 10 are the same).07:25
ianychoi#info Zanata team will have a webinar: What are new features on newer version of Zanata since 3.907:25
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ianychoiThat's all from my self-review on current I18n activities.07:26
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jpichNot bad :D07:26
jpichThere's a lot in there07:26
ianychoiHow about in Tripleo-UI activities with translation?07:26
ianychoiAFAIK there is a launchpad bug which tells that json testing would be needed07:27
jpichI think it tends to be very quiet in the middle of a cycle, when things change a lot. However!! We got a partial Turkish translation last week :)07:27
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ianychoiWow so great!07:28
jpichYes, no one has looked into it yet unfortunately. At least the jobs are still working for the moment, as far as I know :)07:28
ianychoi#info Turkish glossary needs review from Turkish translators:
patchbotpatch 467240 - i18n - glossary: Add Turkish entries07:28
ianychoijpich, I see :)07:29
ianychoiAny more question on I18n activites?07:29
jpichThe Turkish translation is at 100% now actually, the glossary author did it... many thanks!!07:30
jpichNo more questions from me!07:30
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ianychoijpich, I think yes. I am waiting for +1 from Turkish translators - I think it is important to officially record the opinion from Turkish translators in Gerrit.07:31
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ianychoi#topic Next week: a webinar for Zanata new features since 3.9 instead of IRC meeting07:31
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jpichI saw your email, makes sense to me07:31
ianychoiSo.. for the next week, I would like to cancel the IRC meeting on the next week but it will substitute with the webinar :)07:32
ianychoiI am finding a webinar platform and I am currently considering Skype for Business07:32
jpichI think the Foundation uses webex for the board meetings (?), maybe it would be possible for us to use it as well? I'm not sure about the details07:33
ianychoijpich, thank you. Then I will ask to Foundation (but I am not sure who is the right person for such contact)07:34
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jpichianychoi: Maybe starting with one of the community managers, like Tom Fifield...?07:35
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* jpich looking at :)07:35
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ianychoijpich, I see - thanks a lot!07:36
ianychoi#topic Discussion on IRC meeting participation07:36
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ianychoi#info Let's skip this today since only two are online now. However, creating a poll might be an alternative instead of discussing through IRC.07:37
ianychoi#topic Open discussions07:37
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ianychoiThat's all from my side today.07:38
jpichThanks ianychoi!! :)07:38
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ianychoijpich, it's my pleasure!07:41
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ianychoijpich, question: will you go to next PTG - Denver US on Sep 11-15?07:42
jpichianychoi: I don't know yet! I will try :)07:42
jpichWill you?07:42
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ianychoijpich, I am now considering to go to the next PTG for I18n but I am a little bit worried about how many people are interested in I18n activities07:43
jpichianychoi: I think it was useful for discussing i18n concerns with infra folks and developers, I found the sessions I attended with you useful in any case! However it does seem that translators themselves mostly attended the Summit, from what I understand07:44
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ianychoijpich, +1! I quite agree that PTG is really useful for I18n team :)07:45
ianychoiOkay.. thanks a lot for today participation - jpich :) I would like to close the meeting now.07:47
jpichWorks for me!07:47
amotokiianychoi: one thing on user survey translation07:47
ianychoiamotoki, yes!07:47
amotokii am just here07:47
ianychoiamotoki, hello :)07:47
amotokiI talked a bit with Japanese users group members on this.07:47
ianychoiThanks a lot for such discussion07:48
amotokiI think developers are usually interested in normal translations, but user survery translation has a differnt aspect07:48
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amotokiit has marketing perspective too.07:48
amotokiI am afraid language coordinators are not necessarily the local community leaders07:49
amotokiand they sometimes has no connection on them07:49
ianychoiYes - I agree with your perspective. Just note that I am now involving both I18n contribution and Korea user group activities and I might have missed such important aspect.07:49
amotokiso I wonder it is a good idea or not that the foundation and you ask language translators to translate user survey07:49
ianychoiIn my opinion, upstream and downstream activities are different but inter-connected each other.07:50
amotokianother point is that translations which are not reviewed well are much worse than English version from the perspecitve of user experience07:50
amotokii wonder the foundation have requested local users groups or not...07:51
amotokithis is just from small chats so far.07:51
amotokiJapanese users group may access to the foundation directly to discuss how we can motivate folks to translate it07:52
ianychoiHmm, I see.07:52
ianychoiamotoki, then may I initiate more conversation with Foundation including you and Torii-san?07:53
ianychoiAnd another Akihiro - ambassador?07:53
amotokiI just talked with Mizuno-san not Torii-san07:53
amotokihe is the current chairman of Japan users group07:53
ianychoiAha.. I see. Then could you let me know the e-mail address of Mizuno-san?07:54
amotokiI will loop more folks in the loop07:54
amotokiI will send some mail including you this weekend07:54
ianychoiMy e-mail would be in English not Japanese but I want to more tell with the details (how it initiated the more on progress)07:54
amotoki:) no problem07:55
ianychoiamotoki, thanks a lot :)07:55
amotokibetter understanding on backgroudn and detail would help us07:55
amotokithat's all i have now07:55
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ianychoiamotoki, sure - Note that I initially wanted that the language coordinators would play more roles leading user survey translation07:56
ianychoibut yes - I should have more considered with user group organizers07:56
amotokiianychoi: you have done well so far.07:57
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amotokidifferernt folks have different views. never mind so much07:57
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ianychoiamotoki, thanks for such saying :)07:58
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ianychoiThen, let's close today IRC meeting. Thanks a lot for today participation - amotoki and again, jpich :)07:58
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bauzas#startmeeting nova14:00
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openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  1 14:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
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bauzasmriedem can't make all the meeting, so chairing if you agree14:00
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bauzasfortunately, he did filled the agenda, so I can still be lazy :)14:01
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dansmithedleafe: it's my shoulder14:01
dansmithor something14:01
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bauzaslet's start14:02
bauzas#topic Release news14:02
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bauzas #link Pike release schedule:
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bauzas #info Next upcoming milestone: Jun 8: p-2 milestone (1 week)14:02
bauzas #info Blueprints: 72 targeted, 68 approved, 15 completed, 4 not started14:02
bauzasgiven pike-2 is in one week, mriedem had a thing to make sure we don't diverge too much14:03
bauzas #info Blueprints which are blocked, not started or do not have an  owner after the p-2 milestone will likely be deferred to Queens.14:03
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bauzascomments ?14:03
bauzasfolks not scary about that?14:03
bauzaspersonnally, I'm fine with14:03
bauzasin other words, if you haven't started yet to work on your implementation, please consider it as urgent for your week :)14:04
bauzasI take it as a silent nodding14:04
bauzas#topic Bugs14:04
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bauzas#link Critical bugs
bauzasnone I heard14:05
bauzas #help Need help with bug triage; there are 96 (down 8 from last week) new untriaged bugs as of today (June 1).14:05
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bauzasand I truly blame myself for the above ^14:06
bauzasthrow e-tomatoes at me if you will14:06
bauzasso the gate14:06
bauzas #link check queue gate status
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bauzassince I was off last week, can someone point me if there were CI failures that required investigation ?14:07
bauzasI can see a couple of rechecks along when reviewing, but I'd say the situation is steady, correct?14:08
sfinucanafaik, yeah14:08
bauzas3rd-party CI is more concerning me14:09
bauzas#link 3rd party CI status
bauzasmriedem wrote an email 2 days ago about VMware NSX CI14:09
bauzasAFAICS, some other 3rd-party CIs are having problems14:10
bauzasand if you see at the latter, you'll see not a good shape14:10
bauzas #info XenServer CI is having some known issues with Tempest SSH  validation enabled by default; has been removed from nova-ci voting  group for now.14:10
sfinucanI would assume a lot of that is the setuptools issue, no?14:10
efriedLink please?14:11
bauzasefried: link for what ? mriedem's email ?14:11
efried"the setuptools issue"14:11
sfinucanefried: -openstackstatus/#openstack-nova- NOTICE: There is a known issue with setuptools 36.0.0 and errors about the "six" package. For current details see and monitor #openstack-infra14:11
sfinucanfrom the channel this morning14:11
efriedThanks sfinucan - missed it.14:12
bauzasFWIW, the email I mentioned
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bauzasanyway, let's see if things improve next week, or we could possibly need to reach stakeholders14:12
bauzas#topic Reminders14:13
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bauzas#link Pike Review Priorities etherpad:
bauzasI can see some of the sections of the etherpad relevant, some not14:13
bauzasI beg subteams to make sure the above is up to date14:13
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bauzas#topic Stable branches status14:14
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bauzas #link stable/ocata:,n,z14:14
bauzas#info Ocata 15.0.5 has been released.14:14
bauzas#link stable/newton:,n,z14:14
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bauzas #info Newton 14.0.7 has been released.14:15
bauzasI know we have a couple of bugfixes worth releasing14:15
bauzasI'll try to review the above asap14:15
bauzasmoving on14:16
bauzas#topic Subteam highlights14:16
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bauzasdansmith, you had meeting on last Wed, right ?14:17
dansmithyou mean yesterday?14:17
bauzasI am14:17
dansmithyes, we talked about a few bug fixes that are in the backport queue,14:17
dansmithand outstanding patches like quotas and the last couple for multicell devstack14:17
dansmiththat's about it, moving along well14:17
bauzasI guess quotas is the hot plate ?14:17
bauzasand AFAIK, cells-aware BP is pretty all done, correct?14:18
bauzasexcept the devstack side14:18
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dansmithI have a few more patches that I need to collect14:18
dansmithso no, but most of the ones that are up are merged or merged last night yeah14:19
bauzasso, we had no scheduler meeting on Monday given Memorial Day14:19
bauzaspassing tho14:19
bauzascan someone tell me if we had an API meeting yesterday?14:20
alex_xuyes, but very short14:20
alex_xuthe spec for quota-class API bug is up
patchbotpatch 468619 - nova-specs - Fix to return server groups quota in the quota-cla...14:21
alex_xuthat is all14:21
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bauzasalex_xu: well, it's a spec, right?14:22
mriedemit's a spec for a bug fix14:22
mriedemregression in v2.114:22
bauzasah ok14:22
mriedemfor the quota class sets api14:22
alex_xubauzas: yea, a API bug, but it need to be fix by microversion14:22
bauzasso not impacted by the spec freeze then14:22
bauzasmriedem: thanks for the explanation14:22
mriedemi'm back so watch out14:22
* bauzas hides the nasty things because daddy is back14:23
bauzasso, gibi said no notifications meeting14:23
bauzasmoving on quickly14:23
bauzasaaaaand, perfect timing14:23
bauzasCinder, mriedem ?14:23
mriedemyeah, link is in there14:24
bauzas#link need reviews starting here to use new microversion when attaching volumes14:24
patchbotpatch 469579 - nova - Use microversions for new style volume attachments14:24
mriedemi put up patches yesterday for version discovery with cinder,14:24
mriedemwhich is needed to send 3.27 for the new attachment flow14:24
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mriedempretty simple changes14:24
mriedemjgriffith has a poc for attach with the new flow that is going to be rebased on top of that series14:25
mriedemand steve noyes is working on the live migration conversion14:25
mriedemoh speaking of,14:25
mriedem needs to get in14:25
patchbotpatch 469740 - nova - Fix call to driver_detach in remove_volume_connection14:25
mriedemlive migration rollback for volume-attached instances was regressed in pike14:25
mriedemi see i'm hitting the setuptools issue now though14:26
mriedemanyway, simple fix14:26
bauzas#topic Stuck reviews14:26
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bauzasnothing in the agenda14:26
bauzasI guess we can continue14:26
bauzas#topic Open discussion14:27
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bauzasthere was an item14:27
bauzasmhenkel: you there ?14:27
mhenkelyes, this was my BP on dpdk14:27
mhenkelhi all!14:27
bauzasthe question is "Can for a new VIF be approved as a spec-less blueprint?"14:27
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mhenkelI added more explanation to the BP today14:28
mhenkelcan you let me know if that is sufficient or if I am still missing something14:28
mriedemi thought jaypipes had questions in there about doing stuff in os-vif?14:28
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bauzasyeah that was my question14:28
bauzaswe already have os-vif for that14:28
mriedemsean-k-mooney and jaypipes are the authorities here14:28
mhenkelyes, and I talked with both on it and went through the code14:29
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mhenkelfrom a code and integration point of view they were fine with the approach14:29
mriedemit's not in os-vif,14:29
mriedemit's a plugin right?14:29
mhenkelthat is correct14:29
sfinucanwhich, tbf, is how it's supposed to be done14:30
mriedem^ scares me a bit14:30
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mhenkelwhy is that?14:30
mriedemmonkey patching the networking api14:30
qwebirc93460FYI.. this is the actual plugin -
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mriedemwell i guess i don't have major objections to this,14:34
mriedemit's all just passthrough to the plugin14:34
mriedemi have no idea if it works of course, or will continue to work14:34
mriedembut that's what you get if you're a plugin14:34
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mhenkelcurrently it works ;)14:35
mhenkelbut you are right, we need to track any interface changes14:35
mriedemi'll talk to jay and sean about it when they are around14:35
mhenkelbut that is in the nature of plugins14:35
mhenkelok, thanks14:35
mhenkeland can you let me know if the BP now contains the necessary details?14:36
bauzasI think there was a good argument about that not specifiically tied to DPDK14:37
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mriedemmhenkel: also,14:37
mriedemisn't "vrouter" a rather generic vif type name?14:37
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mriedemwhy not contrail-vrouter or something?14:38
mhenkelmriedem: no, vrouter is OpenContrails ovs/linux bridge replacement14:38
mriedemi get that,14:38
mriedembut what happens when ACME SDN has a vif type of vrouter that collides with this?14:39
mriedemACME SDN being another vedor14:39
mhenkelthat is probably true. I can rename it to contrail-vrouter14:39
bauzasyup, another BP URL and naming would suit me14:39
bauzasI guess that's all we have for today's meeting14:40
mriedemanyway let's not do all this in the meeting14:40
bauzasany other items to raise to the community?14:40
bauzasagain, keeping in mind that pike-2 is literally next week14:41
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bauzasif so, I can call it a day14:41
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cdentthanks bauzas14:42
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bauzasnp, I'd rather thank mriedem for just letting me copy/paste14:42
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l315:01
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mlavalle#chair haleyb Swami_15:01
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Swami_mlavalle: hi15:01
haleybmlavalle: are we in the right channel?15:02
haleybi had meeting-3 in my invite15:02
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mlavallehaleyb: nope, you are right15:02
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Swami_mlavalle: yes I thought we are supposed to be in meeting-3 room15:02
mlavalleSwami_: ^^^15:02
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asettle#startmeeting docteam16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  1 16:00:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is asettle. Information about MeetBot at
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asettle#topic Roll call16:00
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jungleboyjo/  Coming to represent the Cinder peeps.  :-)16:01
asettleAnd here I was, worried we wouldn't have quorum16:01
asettleLooking at chicken pie recipes instead16:01
jungleboyjMmmm, Chicken Pie sounds good.  Guess I need to start thinking about lunch.16:02
asettleI'll wait until 5 past before I get going.16:02
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asettleYeah that was my thoughts today16:02
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asettleOkay, let's start :)16:04
asettle#topic Action items from the last meeting16:04
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asettleACTION: asettle to chat to rluethi about training-labs and guides future16:04
asettlerluethi: we didn't quite manage that, did we? :p16:04
rluethinot that I know of.16:04
rluethiwell, there is always another chance.16:04
asettleLet's book in some time next week to chat? Just an IRC convo, but I can send you a cal invite so at least we both know :)16:05
asettleThat sound alright?16:05
asettleI'll keep that action item though16:05
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asettle#action asettle to chat to rluethi about training-labs and guides future16:05
asettleACTION: asettle and ianychoi to discuss planning changes with translation activities16:05
asettleThis, we also did not do, did we ianychoi ? :p16:05
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ianychoiasettle, we have the same memory :)16:05
asettleHahaha good good. Okay. Well. Let's also book in some time to talk this week :) how does that sound?16:06
asettleamotoki: welcome :)16:06
ianychoiPretty cool!16:06
asettleExcellent, excellent16:06
asettleWill keep that action item up then16:06
asettle#action asettle and ianychoi to discuss planning changes with translation activities16:06
asettle#topic Count down to release16:06
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asettle30 weeks LOL16:07
asettleBut, that's coming up pretty damn fast16:07
ianychoiLoL (2)16:07
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asettleI sent out a call for release managers today16:07
asettleIf anyone is interested and can help out, I would really appreciate it16:07
asettleWe need release help more than ever now. Esp considering our cores are continuing to dwindle16:07
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asettleAnyone interested?16:07
jungleboyjThe releases always do seem to come out of nowhere .16:07
asettleWe like to surprise you all with documentation16:08
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asettleIt's an incredibly boring surprise16:08
dhellmannasettle : what's involved in that?16:08
jungleboyjdhellmann:  +116:08
asettleWithout going into specifics too deeply16:08
asettleHEre's our overview16:08
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dhellmannok, I'll review those16:09
asettleIt's mostly regarding the install guide testing, packages, CPL checks (we should add the doc-tag to that list)16:09
asettlePublishing branches, making sure the www stuff is up-to-date16:09
jungleboyjI am planning/hoping before the end of Pike to get the docs bug mess in Cinder cleaned up a bit.16:10
asettlePreviously, two people volunteer to help out. The PTL and the managers will meet, sync up, and make sure that all release items are all done :)16:10
asettlejungleboyj: woooo! :D16:10
asettleLove the sound of that16:10
asettleDo you need anything from us?16:10
jungleboyjasettle:  Thought you would.16:10
asettleI'm easily pleased.16:10
jungleboyjasettle:  No, going to come join your meetings here.  Go through the bugs out there and do some cleanup / triage .  I will bring you all questions as they arise.  :-)16:11
asettleWonderful :) well, welcome. Thanks for coming :)16:11
asettleLet us know what we can do to help you along the way :)16:11
asettleHappy to answer any questions16:11
jungleboyjDiscovered I like documentation while working on upstream-institute16:11
asettleI'm in the UK16:11
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jungleboyjWill do.16:11
asettleWell, I'm glad to hear that!16:11
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jungleboyjSo, I will help those release items from that aspect.16:12
asettleThat sounds great :) thanks. We appreciate that.16:12
jungleboyjMy pleasure.16:12
asettleOkay, well if nobody is going to jump at the opportunity to be release managers right this second, i'll move on :p16:12
ianychoijungleboyj, wow more Docs-philic people :)16:12
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jungleboyjianychoi:  :-)  Yep.  You helped inspire me.  ;-)16:12
asettleI have never heard of it being referred to as 'docs-philic' but I think that's hilariously great.16:13
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jungleboyjasettle: +216:13
ianychoijungleboyj, haha it's great pleasure. I also learned a lot from you during latest upstream institute!16:13
asettleAw :)16:13
asettleOkay team, let's keepa rolling16:13
asettle#topic Operations Guide16:13
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asettleSome of you may have seen my emails that contained info about this16:13
asettleHere's my most recent email to the ops list16:14
asettle#link #topic Operations guide16:14
asettleOh ffs16:14
asettleCopy pasta is hard16:14
asettleTL;DR - we have three options for the future of hte ops guide, and I'm voting for option 316:14
asettleI wanna hear what you all think16:14
amotokihonestly this topic raises me a question what is a difference between admin guide and ops guide16:15
AJaegerasettle: option 3 means somebody needs to move it somehow in the wiki - so needs a volunteer and ownership16:15
rluethiamotoki: +116:15
asettleamotoki: well, that's what the session was about. We all very much came to the conclusion that the two guides, although one was technically more theoretical, and one more practical, they were both for hte same audience16:16
asettleTherefore, we decided that we had to go one of three ways with the guide's future16:16
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asettleIn the session, the operators agreed that we should do option 316:16
asettleBut I want to make sure the community agrees16:16
asettleAnd as AJaeger says - we get some volunteers to help this move16:16
amotokii see. that makes sense.16:16
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rluethiasettle: If it's pretty much the same subject, how will they differ going forward?16:17
jungleboyjThat seems sensible.  An understandable division of the documentation.16:17
asettlerluethi: in content, or maintainability?16:17
amotokiregardless of wiki or git repo, who takes ownership? ops team from UC?16:18
rluethiWell, the email talks about where each guide lives, but how is the content different?16:18
asettleAh, so, as I mentioned above - the main difference is mostly that one guide (ops) is more theoretical and concerns desiging, creating, and administratoring a production cloud16:19
asettleWhereas admin is more about managing and troubleshooting16:19
asettleDoes that make sense?16:19
rluethiI hope it does for the target audiences :).16:20
jungleboyjasettle:  The admin guide is more driven by development while the ops guide is driven by developers.  RIght?16:20
rluethiTo me, it sounds like a difficult line to draw.16:20
jungleboyjops driven by operators16:20
asettleHaha yep, with that correction, yep16:20
asettleWe still have the intention to move the Administration Guide out to the project repos for that reason16:20
ianychoiBut.. such all migration from current ops-guide to Wiki would require huge effort - maybe creating a basic wiki for ops-guide (same table of contents, migrating just key content, and referring to current ops-guide in docs.o.o would be a first step?16:20
jungleboyj:-)  Yeah, minor detail.  So, having the ops guide easily accessible to operators on the wiki and making admin guide closer to what developers are used to makes sense.16:21
asettleianychoi: that's not a bad idea - we could then call for help?16:21
asettlejungleboyj: yep, that's pretty much my thinking16:21
asettleI probably haven't been clear enough in my email :/16:21
amotokianother option on ops-guide is to delegate core team.16:21
asettleWhat do you mean by that, amotoki ?16:22
jungleboyjThe challenge is going to be making the developers do it.  :-)16:22
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asettlejungleboyj: yo literally the story of my life16:22
amotokiasettle: the wiki is not so easy to maintain. I believe gerrit review is really useful even for operators16:22
asettleMy autobiography will be titled that.16:22
asettleamotoki: I completely agree with you. But we've struggled *so* much to get contributions from operators16:22
asettleTHey dont' want to use gerrit16:22
ianychoiasettle, +1, because the most huge effort I think is that .rst syntax and MediaWiki syntax are not compatible. Migrating all the content may require long period..16:23
amotokihehe, difficult choice :p16:23
jungleboyjianychoi: :-(16:23
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asettleHahhaha oh dear.16:23
asettleYou're all very correct.16:23
asettleHmm, anyway, let's see if I get any response from the ML - if not, I think we should make an executive decision. dhellmann - what would be TC appropriate protocol there?16:23
AJaegerasettle: I think we're in charge here, no need for TC IMHO16:24
dhellmannif you don't get a response, or if you don't have volunteers to do the work?16:24
asettleAJaeger: mostly just wondering if TC would have an issue with me going "okay, no responses, nobody cares, bye bye guide"16:24
jungleboyjCan the work of moving to the wiki be split among the team here.  Everyone take a section, reformat and move?16:25
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asettlejungleboyj: we normally would do that, but we barely have a team as is :(16:25
dhellmannyeah, you don't need the tc to weigh in unless the decision is to mothball the guide16:25
dhellmannand then it's just a matter of going through the process16:25
asettleCoolio hoolio16:25
asettleWhat is "the process"?16:25
dhellmannjungleboyj : the whole point of this transition period is that there is not really a pool of people to do work like that16:25
asettle^ what he said16:25
dhellmannasettle : let me find the doc, stand by16:25
asettleSwell, swell16:26
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dhellmannasettle :
asettleJust for later16:27
asettleThis is good info :) AJaeger ^16:27
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asettleOn that note, I'll move to the next topic because it's related16:27
asettle#topic Docs team going forward16:27
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asettleSo, we're looking to gather as many volunteers to help us do a lot of heavy lifting in the coming months16:27
asettleSo, I'm hoping we can all pool in and do some recruiting16:27
asettleIt appears that from our ML discussion16:29
asettleThat we have chosen to go with option 116:29
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asettle"We could combine all of the documentation builds, so that each project has a single doc/source directory that includes developer, contributor, and user documentation."16:29
asettleWe're going to need a really nice, special, helpful, person in infra to help us out :)16:30
* asettle looks at AJaeger16:30
* AJaeger is happy to review and advise - but cannot be in the driver seat16:30
asettleSounds good - AJaeger could you help us recruit someone (or recommend?) we could talk to about driving this with us16:30
dhellmannI'll help with the build stuff, if AJaeger will help with reviews16:31
ianychoiAJaeger, regarding this, maybe translation build jobs also need to be unified for Documentation builds?16:31
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dhellmannit should just be a matter of a new job that looks very much like the existing one, with a different publisher step, right AJaeger?16:31
asettleHmm, would it affect translation?16:31
dhellmanngood point16:31
asettleHow integrated are the builds currently?16:32
dhellmannwe already have translation jobs for the release notes. we can use those as the basis for new jobs.16:32
AJaegerdhellmann: yes. You need to figure out whether we still to "tox -e venv python build_sphinx" or run "tox -e docs" instead - and then how to publish16:32
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ianychoidhellmann, good point - yes all releasenote build jobs and AFAIK you, AJaeger, amotoki helped a lot16:33
AJaegertranslations will be affected16:33
amotokibut the translation script does a lot, so we might need to update it. I believe AJaeger and i can help it16:33
dhellmannok. let's get the regular build stuff going and then add translations to it.16:33
AJaegerdhellmann: I'm happy to review16:33
* dhellmann likes to work in phases16:33
asettleSo, for the build changes - should we be looking at writing a spec, and then getting the plans nutted out a bit further?16:34
ianychoidhellmann, amotoki. AJaeger: Thanks a lot all!16:34
ianychoi(I will follow such activities)16:34
amotokiasettle: +1  it clarifies what's happening16:34
asettle#action asettle to write spec for build changes16:34
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dhellmannI can help with that, too16:35
asettleSweet, thanks dhellmann :)16:35
asettle#topic Speciality teams reports16:35
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asettleannegentle: you around for the API report? :)16:35
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asettleGuessing not at the moment :) we can come back16:36
asettleI can't see Matjaz either16:36
asettlerluethi: it's all you and the Training Labs :)16:36
rluethiWe merged a few patches for Windows hosts, and there are a few more under review or otherwise pending.16:37
amotokiregarding the API ref, is proposing the addition of a new format. feedback would be appreciated.16:37
patchbotpatch 464255 - os-api-ref - WIP Add support for making sub-elements clearer16:37
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asettle#link #topic Speciality teams reports16:37
asettleThanks amotoki :)16:37
asettlerluethi: that's cool :)16:37
rluethiNew features will have to wait until that's done.16:37
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ianychoirluethi, cool for training-labs :)16:38
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rluethiI hope so :).16:38
asettleWonderful :) thanks for the update rluethi16:38
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asettle#topic Bug triaging16:39
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asettleBen is our current bug triage liaison. Problems?16:39
asettle(not that I heard of)16:39
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asettleI just pinged him, but he might not be around16:39
asettleNext up is Olga (ogusarenko) for the 5 Jun - 19 Jun16:40
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asettle#topic Open discussion16:40
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asettleOkay, we're at the end folks. I don't think I have much else.16:40
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asettleI'm going to jump into the security team's meeting after this to talk about the Security Guide if anyone is interested16:40
mlavalleasettle: I just want to let the team know that I have volunteered to be the Neutron liaison here16:41
asettlemlavalle: wonderful :D thanks for coming along mlavalle16:41
asettlemlavalle: have you had a peak at the Networking Guide by any chance?16:41
asettleamotoki has been helping us out with a bunch of stuff, which has been awesome16:41
dhellmannasettle : which channel?16:41
mlavalleasettle: well, I look at different chapters every now and then16:41
asettledhellmann: #openstack-meeting-alt16:42
asettlemlavalle: Okay cool :) well, john-davidge was pretty hands on! Which was great16:42
asettleI don't know if you have the time for htat?16:42
amotokimlavalle: this is useful for me*16:42
jungleboyj:-)  So we have an official Cinder and Neutron Liaison now.16:42
jungleboyjIs there some place I should indicate that in the wiki?16:42
asettleI was just about to shoot htat ot you16:42
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asettlethat to you*16:42
asettleIf you could both update, that'd be great16:43
jungleboyjasettle:  Thank you.16:43
mlavalleamotoki: am I stepping on your tows? Should you be the Neutron liaison?16:43
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amotokimlavalle: np. it is yours. i have too many hats...16:43
mlavalleasettle: I have also too many hats. But this role was deemed important in a recent Neutron team meeting16:44
amotokimlavalle: asettle: we can share the loads. no worries16:44
asettleThanks for helping, it is important :) the Networking Guide is a highly valued doc and we really appreciate all updates and maintenance the neutron team can offer16:45
asettleTHank you both :) I really appreciate that16:45
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mlavalleasettle: so I would like to get guidance from you and amotoki as to where help is critical16:45
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asettleSo, amotoki was picking up where John left off on this bug:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1656378 in openstack-manuals "Networking Guide uses RFC1918 IPv4 ranges instead of RFC5737" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Chason (chen-xing)16:46
asettleThis is a high priority for us16:46
ianychoiasettle, I think PDF support for translated documents would be possible. :)16:46
amotokiah... the remaining part is to change IP address/cidr in figures16:46
asettleamotoki: ah wonderful! That's it?!16:46
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asettleianychoi: wonderful :D16:46
amotokiI believe all stuffs in the rst contents have been clean up16:47
asettleOh that's such good news!16:47
asettleThank you amotoki :)16:47
asettleOkay, well, mlavalle that was a number one prio16:47
amotokiI will post changes in figures in this month16:47
asettleBut I would appreciate bug tackling:
mlavalleasettle: ok, I'll keep an eye on that and will coordinate with amotoki16:48
asettleAlso, I know John had some plans for improvements here16:48
amotokione difficult thing is the netwokring guide sometimes use too many networks :(16:48
asettleTrue that16:48
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amotokiwe sometimes use four networks...16:48
asettleJeez :P16:48
amotokimoving on ?16:49
asettleHahha oh yes! Sorry, we're in open discussion16:49
asettleAnything from anyone else? :)16:49
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asettleOkay! Let's close it out :)16:50
asettleThanks for coming guys :)16:50
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jungleboyjThanks!  Enjoyed joining you all today.16:50
rluethiSee you16:50
asettleThanks for coming jungleboyj :)16:50
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ianychoiThank you all!16:51
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mlavallebye asettle16:51
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ianw#startmeeting diskimage-builder20:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  1 20:01:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ianw. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:01
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andreas-fHello Ian!20:01
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ianw#topic Annoucements20:02
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ianwahh, nothing20:03
ianw#topic Actions from last meeting20:03
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ianwI think we can skip this20:03
andreas-fYep - Its quite a while...20:04
ianw#topic Testing20:04
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ianwsorry, forgot to add this to the agenda20:05
ianwbit of movement on suse out there as it goes towards the gate20:05
ianwi think moving the nodepool jobs to voting is a good idea20:05
andreas-fSo we'll get a voting suse?20:06
ianw#link nodepool jobs to voting20:06
patchbotpatch 469538 - openstack-infra/project-config - diskimage-builder/glean: Upgrade nodepool-src-* jo...20:06
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ianwa voting job that boots it, at least.  seeing as we broke it, also not the first time we've ignored the nodepool failures20:07
andreas-fYes good point.20:07
ianwit does mean we're co-gating a bit on glean, to bring the vm up in devstack, but i think that's ok for the benefit of knowing it boots20:08
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ianw#agreed dib devstack/nodepool jobs to voting20:09
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ianwany more immediate testing issues?20:09
ianwi've just woken up, but i'm presuming setuptools has unbroken itself20:10
andreas-fI don't know of any testing issues.20:10
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ianw#topic Review review20:10
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ianwI don't think there's anything out there particularly stuck at the moment?20:11
andreas-fexcept the UEFI ;-)20:11
patchbotpatch 468186 - diskimage-builder - Drop support for Ubuntu precise20:11
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ianwI'm actually thinking we can think about dropping trusty20:12
andreas-ftrusty might be in use.20:12
andreas-fI think it is not EOL.20:13
andreas-fEOL: April 201920:13
ianwsorry, i meant as a build platform, really part of the previous topic, if nobody is using it in the wild.  it would only be 3rd party ci i think now, as infra has moved builders to xenial20:14
andreas-fBut on the other side, we also dropped support for RHEL 6 / Centos 6...20:14
andreas-fAh, ok.20:14
andreas-fDoes this mean some simplification / unification?20:14
ianwtrusty?  i don't know, maybe.  but anyway, unless there's objections i'm ok with precise removal20:15
andreas-fYes - let's remove precise now.20:16
ianw#agreed merge 46818620:16
andreas-fIt looks that there are some dependencies for trusty: hpdsa element (never saw before).20:17
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ianwmy only thought really was that we could remove the -trusty- jobs from the gate, and leave python2.7 testing up to centos20:18
ianwwe can probably wait until there is a problem, or infra starts to wind-down trusty node support20:19
ianwany more pressing review requests?20:19
andreas-fOk - maybe I think I'm missing something: how are these (somewhat) special elements (like hpdas element) tested?20:20
andreas-fFor me it looks that this works only under trusty.20:20
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andreas-fSo it we drop trusty, we should remove this element.20:20
ianwthey are probably not, and have probably bit-rotted20:20
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ianwsee that dracut kernel one doing the patching20:21
andreas-fSo maybe a more general question: what do to with those elements?20:22
ianwi think, these days, we would probably suggest any new like that don't belong in dib core but as elements as part of your project20:22
fungiofficially dropping support for precise is probably wise anyway since we'll (soon) cease to have servers we can test that on20:23
ianwas we find stuff broken and unused, remove it20:23
andreas-fIt's hard to say if it is unused.20:23
andreas-fMaybe some project uses it?20:23
ianwwe just have to use our best judgement, do some code searches/archaeology and respond if it turns out we did the wrong thing20:25
fungiif it's a project in the openstack ecosystem, you can look on
fungithough i think we don't index stable branches, recent stable branches should be using constraints anyway20:26
andreas-fCurrenly we have 99 elements - should check how many of them are tested or used.20:26
andreas-f(long term thingy...)20:27
ianwi'm happy to consider things on a case-by-case basis, like when it comes time to remove trusty looking at elements that only work there20:29
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ianwi don't feel like going through everything is the best use of time; a broken but unused element doesn't really affect the core mission of getting a usable .qcow out20:30
ianwit just ... is20:30
ianwanyway, moving on20:31
ianwI guess everything else falls under20:31
ianw#topic Open Discussion20:31
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ianwandreas-f: what is your priority there?20:32
andreas-fUEFI boot: because it's open since 14 month.20:32
andreas-fand it is an element which is IMHO a step forward.20:33
ianwok, do we have a consumer that needs it?20:33
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patchbotpatch 287784 - diskimage-builder - Add support for building images capable of UEFI20:33
andreas-fI personally don't know of one.20:34
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andreas-fI know that HP uses it in one of the products.20:34
andreas-fAnd I don't know if Yonalda needs this for her security.20:34
ianwHP ... HP ... that's a company that used to exist, right? <joking>20:34
ianwso 287784 is not based on dib-block-device at all?20:35
andreas-fYes, that the major problem.20:35
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andreas-fAnd there are another two:20:36
andreas-f1) Missing GPT support20:36
andreas-f2) old bootloader element20:36
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ianwso 1) ... writing our own mbr stuff is already super complex20:37
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ianwdo we need to actually implement gpt writing?20:37
ianwi did not understand why we did not just write out a parted/sfdisk script and get that to do all that20:37
andreas-fI know: do you know a usable library here?20:37
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ianwnot sure it's a library :)20:38
andreas-fparted *is* a library; but GPL.20:38
andreas-fHere are some more arguments:20:39
ianwright, i kind of got that looking back in the history why we didn't link against it, but we can call it?20:39
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andreas-fYes; I used it in the first versions of block_device.20:39
andreas-fIt does not do what you want...20:40
andreas-f... but what it thinks you want ;-(20:40
andreas-fThese tools want to 'optimize' things; and I did not find a way to switch this off.20:41
ianwok, well i just think finding someone to write low-level, like byte-level GPT partitioning code is tough, and then to also have two people give it decent review, and maintain it is ... unlikely20:42
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ianwhow does guestfish do it's partitioning in the back end?20:44
ianwcould we just use that?20:44
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andreas-fI'm just looking....20:46
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andreas-ftoo big... will do this offline.20:47
ianwdaemon/parted.c seems to be it20:47
andreas-fit's also GPL.20:48
ianwit is essentially system() calling out to parted, AFAICS20:48
ianwwell, not copy it, but it suggests to me that probably getting an external tool to do it is going to be a better way forward than writing it from scratch20:48
andreas-fYes - system()20:48
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andreas-fDid not check parted for GPT until now. Maybe we could use it at least for GPT.20:50
ianwseems to have bits for parted/sfdisk/sgdisk all together20:50
ianwmaybe it requires some combo20:50
andreas-fI checked all of them for MBR - all of them using some /sys-fs access to get some buffer infos.20:51
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andreas-f... which they will use for 'optimizations'.20:51
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andreas-fSo calling 'parted' might be a solution.20:52
andreas-f2) bootloader element refactoring is needed20:53
andreas-fIMHO we should split the bootloader into a grub and extlinux.20:53
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ianwis this another case of who's using extlinux?20:54
andreas-fYes ;-)20:54
andreas-fThen there is the need to get all the needed info from the block device layer and push it into the bootloader element.20:54
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andreas-fSo thinking about this:20:55
andreas-fA lot of work - and maybe nobody really needs / uses it.20:55
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ianwright, that was my next point, i presume you're wanting to drive all this?20:56
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andreas-fMaybe we should ask Yolanda if this is needed for some kind of 'secure boot'?20:56
ianwyes, let's sync with her on this, and it's priority to LVM20:56
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ianwi think starting at the bottom would work best.  there is quite a bit of unit testing templating going on in dib-block-device now20:57
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andreas-fYes - saw the patches (which currently all fail...)20:57
ianwi think any gpt implementation in there can be put in and relatively well tested20:57
ianwthe current failures were setuptools related, that should be fixed now20:58
ianwthen we can start building the elements ontop of it20:58
andreas-fOk - will check tomorrow.20:58
ianwso, to summarise on this20:58
ianw1. sync with yolanda on relative importance20:59
ianw2. thoroughly investigate external tools for writing partitions, with reference to things like guestfish20:59
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ianw3. start at implementation within dib-block-device at least covered by unit testing21:00
ianwalright, well that feels like some progress21:00
ianwwe've hit 1 hour21:00
andreas-fYes saw this.21:00
andreas-fOk - then: have a nice day.21:01
andreas-fTalk / mail / review in some hours.21:01
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andreas-f(Here it is 23:00 and I need some sleep now....)21:01
ianwok, thanks.  7am and i need some breakfast :) ttyl21:02
andreas-fsee you.21:02
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