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| ttx | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 16 15:01:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:01 |
| ttx | Ping list: dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, stevemar, lbragstad | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:01 |
| ttx | Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-relmgt-tracking | 15:02 |
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| ttx | scroll down to R-11 | 15:02 |
| ttx | #topic Still-missing libs | 15:02 |
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| ttx | so we have a number of libs that haven't released yet | 15:02 |
| ttx | was wondering if we should do anything about it | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | I can prod Brian on the glance-store release | 15:03 |
| ttx | We could also just say we'll tag them as needed if nothing was done | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | the others seem minimal | 15:03 |
| ttx | like, we do need a y bump right | 15:03 |
| ttx | (at the very least) by the lib deadline | 15:03 |
| ttx | how about we force one if they don't ? | 15:04 |
| ttx | would spare us the chasing exercise | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | we could float that idea | 15:05 |
| ttx | I mean, we should still encourage them to do it | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | I'd hate to be responsible for releasing a broken lib | 15:05 |
| ttx | but if they don't, rather than go out of our way getting them to do it, we would just release it | 15:05 |
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| ttx | hmm, good point | 15:05 |
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| ttx | Oh | 15:06 |
| ttx | We could just retag the last one | 15:06 |
| ttx | that way our needs are covered | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | that would give us a place to create the new branch | 15:06 |
| ttx | (our needs = the .y bump) | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | we don't need to change the version for that | 15:06 |
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| dhellmann | actually, if we do that, we'll likely have libs with mismatched requirements | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | so we do need to land those g-r updates and do a new release | 15:07 |
| ttx | hmm, you still need to give room for point releases from the previous series, right ? | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | oh, true | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it's better for us not to branch from the same place | 15:08 |
| ttx | also lets us land those requirements sync | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | I think if we have to force something, a new release is the best of several bad options | 15:08 |
| ttx | I'd rather do that than try to force someone that doesn't want to hear to listen | 15:08 |
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| ttx | next countdown email (in two weeks) I warn the remaining libs that we'll force a release if they don't have one by the deadline | 15:09 |
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| ttx | which is just stating what we'll have to do if they don't react anyway | 15:09 |
| ttx | that or removing the lib | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | that may be worth a separate email | 15:10 |
| fungi | that gets extra fun given libs tend not to exist in a vacuum | 15:10 |
| ttx | My expectation would be that people will be more unhappy because the things they landed in master won't make it into Pike, than about us triggering a release | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | I hope so | 15:11 |
| ttx | ok, hopefully we won't have to force that | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | does this only apply to libraries, or does it include anything in the g-r list? | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | we have some non-libs in that list | 15:12 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: like? not sure what you mean | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | mistral was in that list, wasn't it? | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | several of the cycle-with-intermediary services where they didn't do a clean split to create a lib | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | s/several/a couple/ | 15:13 |
| ttx | ah, that. I'd argue that's a bug (but we might need to workaround those exceptions) | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | would we force releases for those, too? | 15:13 |
| ttx | if we didn't have Pike releases for them, yes | 15:13 |
| ttx | I think we do, though | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | ah, good | 15:13 |
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| ttx | although mistral is still cycle-with-milestones apparently | 15:14 |
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| dhellmann | I might be misremembering which project it was | 15:14 |
| ttx | it was mistral | 15:14 |
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| ttx | probably not a solved issue yet | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | we have quite a few intermediary projects without releases (see the etherpad) | 15:15 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: I would apply the same rule if we are stuck with nothing by the end of the cycle. Force release or dump | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:16 |
| ttx | it just happens a bit later | 15:16 |
| ttx | I expect those to only do one release at this point | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that reminder email should make that clear | 15:17 |
| ttx | which imho should trigger a "do you REALLY want to be cycle-with-intermediary in those conditions ?" | 15:17 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, if they're only doing 1 that sounds like they should be milestone | 15:18 |
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| dhellmann | and if they're not doing any, we should remove them from the release list | 15:18 |
| ttx | to be fair that is pretty close to how we operate with everything | 15:18 |
| ttx | (retag on last known tag) | 15:18 |
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| ttx | it's just that some models are more conducive to generating a recent tag | 15:19 |
| ttx | cycle-with-intermediary is "I can take care of myself, thanks" | 15:19 |
| ttx | and yet some teams don't / can't | 15:19 |
| ttx | OK, let's plan to communicate around that in the coming week(s) | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:20 |
| ttx | anything else on that topic ? | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | nothing from me | 15:20 |
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| ttx | #topic Review Pike3 TODOs | 15:20 |
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| ttx | wanted to review tasks that are marked PIKE3 | 15:21 |
| ttx | Ensure changes to the (pre-)release branch are backports (ttx) | 15:21 |
| ttx | I'll be able to complete that, that's mostly doc updates | 15:21 |
| ttx | Port all release tools to work under python 3 (dhellmann, dims, others) | 15:21 |
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| dhellmann | I think the only thing left there is to turn on the unit test job in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470352/ | 15:21 |
| ttx | Also on track ? | 15:21 |
| patchbot | patch 470352 - openstack-infra/project-config - add python 3.5 unit test job for release-tools rep... | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | fungi, can you look at that one? | 15:21 |
| ttx | ok | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | other than that, we've ported all of the tools we *can* port | 15:22 |
| ttx | support storyboard in openstack/releases (tbd) | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | until we get a lazr client update that works with py3 | 15:22 |
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| ttx | nice | 15:22 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: sure, i'll take a look here in a moment | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | maybe we can get the storyboard team to help with that? is there a CLI? | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | fungi : thanks | 15:22 |
| ttx | Not much success asking for a volunteer yet. I can probably take it over next cycle if nobody picks it up | 15:22 |
| ttx | not sure it's THAT urgent | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:23 |
| ttx | the "storyboard team" is pretty busy pushing the last bits that are necessary for everyone to be able to switch | 15:23 |
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| ttx | that is more urgent | 15:23 |
| fungi | dhellmann: there is a cli if you don't want to use the api directly | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | I agree | 15:23 |
| ttx | also they are working on their free time at this stage | 15:23 |
| ttx | so their time is limited and precious | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | fungi : ok, that may make this script we need easier | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok, let's not pile on more work then | 15:23 |
| ttx | Consolidate the release tools that use the releases repository data in the releases repository (dhellmann) | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | the next step for that was the announce scripts | 15:24 |
| fungi | i did follow up on the release tooling implementation thread on the ml with some suggestions (which i also ran by the sb team this week in irc to confirm they're grounded in reality) | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | I was going to move those into the releases repo | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure how high of a priority that is, though, and the doc migration stuff is eating up more of my time right now | 15:24 |
| ttx | dhellmann: it's fine to push it back to next cycle. It's technical debt reduction | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | I think we should just assume that's the plan, then | 15:25 |
| ttx | we actually have more urgent items that were untouched | 15:25 |
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| ttx | Anything else we should add ? | 15:26 |
| ttx | I wanted to review things that tonyb originally signed up for, see if there are thiungs we absolutely need | 15:26 |
| ttx | since at this point there is a backlog of work on the stable maint side | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:27 |
| ttx | looking at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-relmgt-plan | 15:27 |
| ttx | Let's read that and mention here anything that may make sense as a Pike priority | 15:27 |
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| ttx | "Step in the branch script that tries to fix the upper constraints url does not work for all repos" maybe | 15:28 |
| ttx | line 77 | 15:28 |
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| ttx | "do not propose constraint updates for pre-release versions" maybe | 15:28 |
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| ttx | line 119 | 15:28 |
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| dhellmann | I think we resolved constraints url update issue, but if not we should make a list of the specific cases at the end of this release | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | I think we sorted out the pre-release version thing by changing the release model for the project | 15:29 |
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| ttx | ok, let's mark it fixed then and reopen if it fails again | 15:29 |
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| ttx | althoug hmistral hasn't switched yet | 15:30 |
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| ttx | Is line 138 solved now that gnocchi is no longer in openstack ? | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | maybe we can preemptively change them for queens | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | probably | 15:31 |
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| ttx | added a note about checking the mistral situation next week | 15:31 |
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| ttx | Check all the deliverables that are available on pypi have the include-pypi-link attribute (tonyb) | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | I think that was a data consistency thing. I don't think it's especially high priority. | 15:34 |
| ttx | ok | 15:34 |
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| dhellmann | if we had a new recruit, I would give it to them to script | 15:34 |
| ttx | Looks like we are good. Only a couple of Pike3 items actually | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | we could also change the release job logic to not need the explicit flag, and to check for the pypi project on its own | 15:35 |
| ttx | Python 3 work, a bit of doc update | 15:35 |
| ttx | ok, all the rest will likely end up in the backlog | 15:35 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 15:35 |
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| ttx | Anything else ? | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | tfw you have an idea and go to write it down, and you already have | 15:36 |
| ttx | happens to me a lot in the release management | 15:36 |
| ttx | It's /really/ easy to forget the corener cases you already handled | 15:36 |
| ttx | corner* | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | I don't have anything else to add this week | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | aside from those lagging releases, things seem to be going fairly smoothly this cycle | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | oh, did we get an answer from the congress team? | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | sorry, not congress, designate | 15:38 |
| ttx | I did -1 it | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I see now | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | ok, it seems fine to let that one go until p3 | 15:38 |
| ttx | yep, will abandon that one if they don't yell | 15:38 |
| ttx | little point in doing p2 now | 15:39 |
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| dhellmann | right | 15:39 |
| ttx | ok, meeting over then | 15:39 |
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| ttx | Have a great weekend | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if it makes sense to just automate the milestone tags | 15:39 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: part of it is training people to deadlines | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | though I guess the point is to have the teams thinking about releases throughout the cycle, and that would not do it | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:40 |
| ttx | It's almost a drill exercise | 15:40 |
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| ttx | exercises the release machinery | 15:40 |
| * dhellmann nods | 15:40 | |
| ttx | alright, have a good end of day and weekend then | 15:41 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | ok, have a good weekend! | 15:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 16 15:41:06 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-06-16-15.01.html | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-06-16-15.01.txt | 15:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-06-16-15.01.log.html | 15:41 |
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