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| joehuang | hello | 01:00 |
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| zhiyuan | hi joe | 01:00 |
| dongfeng1 | hi | 01:01 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 21 01:01:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:01 |
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| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:01 | |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 01:01 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 01:01 |
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| Yipei | #info Yipei | 01:01 |
| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 01:01 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 01:02 |
| fredli__ | Hi all, I am Liyongle | 01:02 |
| joehuang | hello, fred, welcome to join | 01:02 |
| joehuang | #topic summary of tricircle demo in OPNFV summit | 01:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summary of tricircle demo in OPNFV summit (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:03 | |
| joehuang | before the summary of the summit | 01:03 |
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| joehuang | one info about storyboard | 01:03 |
| joehuang | the launchpad will be switched to storyboard in recent future | 01:04 |
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| joehuang | so please try storyboard and community is collecting feedback | 01:04 |
| joehuang | https://storyboard.openstack.org | 01:05 |
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| joehuang | the migration has not been started yet, but we have to be prepared for this | 01:05 |
| joehuang | that means all blueprint and bug management will be migrated to storyboard | 01:05 |
| joehuang | #info feedback for the storyboard https://storyboard.openstack.org | 01:06 |
| rongHui | #info Ronghui | 01:06 |
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| joehuang | for opnfv tricircle demo, it's quite successful | 01:07 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | As soon as I get the okay from you I can set a date to migrate Tricircle. | 01:07 |
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| joehuang | to diablo_rojo_phon: ok, will let you know when we are ready | 01:07 |
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| joehuang | shall we submit a patch to open a space for Tricircle in storyboard? | 01:08 |
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| zhiyuan | feedback from me: storyboard is convenient for tracking blueprint, since we can create several tasks for one blueprint. | 01:08 |
| zhiyuan | in launchpad, we have to put the tasks in the single white board | 01:09 |
| joehuang | ok, I'll dive into storyboard in more detail and check to see if a patch is needed for tricircle | 01:10 |
| joehuang | for the opnfv tricricle demo, video and slides are available | 01:11 |
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| joehuang | #info opnfv tricircle and demo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbcc7-eZnkY | 01:12 |
| joehuang | #info slides is available here https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1WBdra-ZaiB-K8_m3Pv76o_jhylEqJXTTxzEZ-cu8u2A/ | 01:12 |
| joehuang | and video conference demo is recorded at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK1nWnH45gI | 01:13 |
| joehuang | BoucherV will record vIMS video this week, once the link is available I'll share to you | 01:13 |
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| joehuang | there are several groups showed interest to integrate tricircle in OPNFV | 01:14 |
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| joehuang | and several guys told me they would like to contribute in tricircle, hope that they will join soon | 01:15 |
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| joehuang | that's the major info from tricircle demo in OPNFV summit | 01:15 |
| joehuang | any questions | 01:15 |
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| joehuang | ok, next topic | 01:17 |
| joehuang | #topic feature implementation review | 01:17 |
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| joehuang | before the feature implementation discussion, the milestone 3 of pike will be July 28 | 01:18 |
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| joehuang | #info milestone 3 on July 28 | 01:18 |
| joehuang | so if you want your features to be landed, please submit your patch ASAP | 01:18 |
| joehuang | please share your feature implementation and challenge to be discussed here | 01:19 |
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| dongfeng | for me, 1) a patch for resource routing pagination has been committed. 2) job cli feature is under development. | 01:20 |
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| Yipei | for labs, have some problems with plugging vip via the AmphoraAPIClient. it responses with 500 status code. still working on it | 01:21 |
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| joehuang | thanks dongfeng, will review the patch soon | 01:21 |
| zhiyuan | oh, I see "merge conflict" for the resource routing pagination patch | 01:21 |
| dongfeng | en, | 01:22 |
| Yipei | s/labs/lbaas | 01:22 |
| dongfeng | I base this patch on your previous patch | 01:22 |
| zhiyuan | to dongfeng, rebasing is needed I think | 01:23 |
| dongfeng | ok | 01:23 |
| dongfeng | local repo has been rebased, I am waitting your comment and then update the next version | 01:23 |
| zhiyuan | i see | 01:24 |
| joehuang | ok | 01:24 |
| joehuang | for Tricircle can work with cells v2 now | 01:24 |
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| yinxiulin | i'am modify sfc's patch according to yesterday's discussion | 01:25 |
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| joehuang | it's good to update the term of "cross OpenStack L2 network" to "cross Neutron L2 network", can someone help to update this in all document? | 01:25 |
| Yipei | to joehuang, i would like to do it | 01:26 |
| dongfeng | it's easy, I can do it. | 01:26 |
| dongfeng | oh | 01:26 |
| dongfeng | got it. | 01:26 |
| joehuang | ok, please submit a patch, because Nova support cells V2 in pike | 01:26 |
| ubuntu_ | for Qos, we will update all the patch today and submit the last patch ASAP | 01:26 |
| joehuang | if Tricricle can support cells V2 in networking side, it'll bring lots of value to cloud operators | 01:27 |
| ubuntu_ | and metering spec has passed the test, so other guys can continue to review | 01:28 |
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| zhiyuan | to ronghui, since you are going to update all the patches, please change to title of the patches to reflect to correct order. in fact, the current part2 needs to be merged first | 01:28 |
| zhiyuan | s/to correct/the correct | 01:29 |
| ubuntu_ | ok just like we talk before | 01:29 |
| ubuntu_ | part 2 is the base | 01:30 |
| zhiyuan | does QoS require some special configuration to make it work? | 01:30 |
| joehuang | part 2 is the base? are you using reverse order | 01:30 |
| zhiyuan | if so, we need to document them | 01:31 |
| ubuntu_ | to zhiyuan: just like openstack qos configuration | 01:31 |
| joehuang | yes, documentation for the guide is need | 01:31 |
| fredli__ | ubuntu_: have you responded all the comments zhiyuan | 01:31 |
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| ronghui | yes | 01:32 |
| ronghui | to joe: yes | 01:33 |
| zhiyuan | to fred, yes, we have discussed the patch in the review page yesterday afternoon | 01:33 |
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| ronghui | part 2 is the base | 01:33 |
| zhiyuan | so I am waiting for the update | 01:33 |
| ronghui | we need to adjust the order of merge | 01:33 |
| ronghui | Xiongqiu is try to update the patch and solve the problem you submit and will update the patch today | 01:34 |
| joehuang | who is updating the patch, I am confused | 01:35 |
| ronghui | Xiongqiu | 01:35 |
| joehuang | ok, hope that xiongqiu can talk to us directly | 01:36 |
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| ronghui | there is some problem with his network | 01:36 |
| joehuang | seems that we have reviewed all features in queue, next topic | 01:36 |
| joehuang | ok, I see | 01:36 |
| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 01:37 |
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| joehuang | any topic to discuss | 01:37 |
| fredli__ | nothing more from my side. | 01:37 |
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| joehuang | one topic from mine is tricircle integration support | 01:38 |
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| joehuang | just as what I mentioned in the first topic, there are several installer showed interest to integrate tricircle, and Vikram also said whether it's possible to integrate Tricricle with OVN | 01:39 |
| joehuang | so if there are lots of integration, some one may ask help, how can we help? | 01:40 |
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| zhiyuan | firstly I think we need to investigate that if it's easy to integrate Tricircle with other components. Is there any required patches to be implemented for that intergration. | 01:42 |
| fredli__ | what actions do we need to do if we support? | 01:43 |
| joehuang | currently passive reaction is good enough I think | 01:43 |
| fredli__ | is it possible to provide one document/script so that partners can do it by themselves? | 01:43 |
| zhiyuan | as I know, if the component is not using l2pop, we need some works to support sdn/l2 gateway mode for vxlan networking | 01:43 |
| zhiyuan | this part is not tested | 01:44 |
| joehuang | for OVN if it can recognize the shadow agent/port, I think it can deal with itself | 01:45 |
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| joehuang | and seems that cells V2 also have its own devstack plugin for multi-cells installation | 01:46 |
| joehuang | Tricricle plugin multi-cells installation may not work well with cells V2 multi-cell installation, though function works | 01:47 |
| zhiyuan | that script has been already merged? if so, we can write our own script to integrate cell V2 based on that script | 01:47 |
| joehuang | only use Tricricle plugin? | 01:47 |
| joehuang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436094/ | 01:48 |
| zhiyuan | I am thinking that cell V2 script may provide some functions that we can call | 01:48 |
| joehuang | not merged yet, but I am sure it'll merge soon | 01:48 |
| zhiyuan | ah, lib/nova is updated in that patch | 01:49 |
| joehuang | so except feature implementation, lots of engineering work is needed after more and more integration will be done, and bugs will be reported | 01:49 |
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| joehuang | tricricle provides documentation for installation/configuration/networking, https://docs.openstack.org/developer/tricircle/ | 01:52 |
| joehuang | have you found that it's not clear enough? does it work according to the guide? | 01:53 |
| joehuang | what's missing in the guide? | 01:53 |
| joehuang | I remembered that the transport URL configuration is missing in configuration or manual installation guide | 01:53 |
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| joehuang | #link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/tricircle/configuration.html#common-options | 01:54 |
| joehuang | could some one update this guide | 01:54 |
| zhiyuan | in the configuration guide, we just mention that "Logging, messaging, database, keystonemiddleware etc configuration which are generated from OpenStack Oslo library, will not be described here" | 01:55 |
| zhiyuan | so transport URL is not covered in the guide | 01:55 |
| joehuang | ok | 01:56 |
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| zhiyuan | transport_url is discussed in the manual installation guide | 01:56 |
| joehuang | ok, any other topic? | 01:57 |
| zhiyuan | no from me | 01:57 |
| dongfeng | no from me | 01:57 |
| Yipei | no for me | 01:57 |
| ronghui | no for me | 01:57 |
| fredli__ | good | 01:57 |
| joehuang | ok, thank you for attending the meeting | 01:58 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 01:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 21 01:58:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-06-21-01.01.html | 01:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-06-21-01.01.txt | 01:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-06-21-01.01.log.html | 01:58 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 04:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 21 04:31:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 04:31 |
| gongysh | #topic roll call | 04:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:31 | |
| dkushwaha | o/ | 04:31 |
| tbh | o/ | 04:31 |
| Liuqing | o/ | 04:31 |
| tung_doan | o/ | 04:31 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, tbh weclome | 04:31 |
| gongysh | Liuqing, welcome to join us. | 04:31 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, nice to see you. | 04:31 |
| Liuqing | gongysh, thanks | 04:32 |
| YanXing_an | o/ | 04:32 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, welcome our patch producer. | 04:32 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, haha:) | 04:33 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: me too.. get stuck in a hard project :) | 04:33 |
| gongysh | chinamobile is ranking 2nd at http://stackalytics.com/?metric=commits&module=tacker | 04:33 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, thanks | 04:33 |
| Liuqing | cool | 04:34 |
| * gongysh is wondering where sridar_ram is. | 04:34 | |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, we will work hard to be 1st :) | 04:34 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an, glad to see that. | 04:35 |
| gongysh | if you can keep that, I will consider to give over PTL role. | 04:35 |
| gongysh | to give -> giving | 04:35 |
| gongysh | :) | 04:36 |
| gongysh | ok, 5 mins passed. we will start without sridar_ram. | 04:36 |
| gongysh | #topic release | 04:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:36 | |
| gongysh | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118151.html | 04:37 |
| gongysh | thanks sridar_ram, who reminds me the release email. | 04:37 |
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| gongysh | if you guys see this email, we can feel the time is running low. | 04:38 |
| gongysh | so please keep up reviewing activity and coding. | 04:38 |
| gongysh | #topic bp | 04:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bp (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:39 | |
| gongysh | tung_doan, do you think your bp can be finished at this short time? | 04:39 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: sure, I thibk both vnffg-autoscaling and vnffg-autohealing can do | 04:40 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, ok. but you bp spec update is kind of slow. | 04:41 |
| gongysh | so keep up, and you can code side by sie. | 04:41 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: I had some code locally. will push it in parallel | 04:41 |
| gongysh | sie -> side. | 04:41 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: I got stuck in some urgent works until last week | 04:42 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, fine, make each patch testable, if it does not break CI, we can trust manual test first. | 04:42 |
| gongysh | but FT is favorable and must be made up sometime. | 04:43 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: got it. thanks | 04:43 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, you NS with vnffg status? | 04:43 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: no any update in last week | 04:43 |
| gongysh | have you implemented it in your mind, then? | 04:44 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: will update spec by tomorrow. | 04:44 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, if you have no time for it, we can leave it to next cycle. | 04:45 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, you can help to review other bps and patches. | 04:45 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: i will try to finish it, but yes, i will give 100% in review and other | 04:46 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, thanks. | 04:46 |
| gongysh | #topic coding | 04:46 |
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| gongysh | first code patch is the blueprint refactor-vim-monitor patches. | 04:46 |
| gongysh | these are from Liuqing, who is from 99cloud too. I have invited him to do contribution. | 04:47 |
| gongysh | Liuqing, thanks. | 04:47 |
| Liuqing | :-) | 04:47 |
| tung_doan | Liuqing: welcome | 04:47 |
| dkushwaha | Liuqing: welcome | 04:48 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, to verify the patches are working as expected. I have tested it. | 04:48 |
| gongysh | https://docs.google.com/document/d/14xiggy3kkEXR435CDaTuYVUz8p8XHqK9Gc9VfvRXvL0/edit | 04:48 |
| gongysh | you can see it. | 04:48 |
| Liuqing | tung_doan, dkushwaha , thanks | 04:48 |
| YanXing_an | Liuqing, welcome, nice job. | 04:48 |
| gongysh | if you have no time to do testing, you can trust it. | 04:48 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: yup sure. i checked it. | 04:49 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: i will merge the patch | 04:49 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, thanks | 04:49 |
| Liuqing | dkushwaha, thanks | 04:50 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: done | 04:50 |
| gongysh | Liuqing, next after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475594/5, please add a patch to write devref doc and a function test. | 04:50 |
| gongysh | and also I will help you to start the monitor policy BP code. | 04:51 |
| Liuqing | sure, and in next patch i will add doc and test | 04:51 |
| gongysh | with blueprint refactor-vim-monitor is framework, we have good foundation. | 04:52 |
| tbh | I have to drop, travelling to office | 04:52 |
| gongysh | with blueprint refactor-vim-monitor's framework | 04:52 |
| gongysh | tbh, see you. | 04:52 |
| gongysh | tbh, storage patch, if you have time. | 04:53 |
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| gongysh | next code patch is from YanXing_an | 04:53 |
| Liuqing | yep, gongysh and thanks | 04:53 |
| gongysh | Liuqing welcome | 04:54 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465080/ | 04:54 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an, I thing you have the solution for the CI failure. | 04:54 |
| gongysh | thing -> think | 04:54 |
| YanXing_an | yes, I have known the reason of failure, will update the patch | 04:55 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, good to know it. | 04:55 |
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| gongysh | more things I want to say is the kolla installation of tacker MANO system. | 04:56 |
| gongysh | I want use kolla way to do tacker installation. devstack is too weak for non tacker developer to install tacker. | 04:58 |
| gongysh | second stuff is the doc -> user guide. | 04:58 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an, if you want to rank 1st, the user guide is the place to produce patch. | 04:59 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: nice to see that | 04:59 |
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| gongysh | we can write it in tacker repo first, and then move to openstack document team. | 04:59 |
| gongysh | #topic open discussion | 05:00 |
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| gongysh | do you guys want to say something? | 05:01 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: any updates from OPNFV summit | 05:01 |
| dkushwaha | ? | 05:01 |
| gongysh | triant is not here. he is there, I am not. | 05:02 |
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| Liuqing | wiil we Angularize tacker-horizon dashboard? | 05:02 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: oh | 05:02 |
| tung_doan | dkushwaha: gongysh: yeah.. i also want to know | 05:02 |
| gongysh | Liuqing, I want the visual digram for VNFD, VNFFGD | 05:03 |
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| dkushwaha | tung_doan yup, i think there should be many input points from opnfv summit | 05:03 |
| dkushwaha | for Tacker | 05:04 |
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| Liuqing | gongysh, we can use d3 to draw the digram | 05:04 |
| gongysh | Liuqing, if you are interested in it, that is great. | 05:04 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: thanks for caring my patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462690/ . I already emailed to Heat Translator team. Good news is that they may release Heat Translator 0.8.1 this week | 05:04 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, have it on my plate. | 05:05 |
| tung_doan | dkushwaha: agree | 05:06 |
| gongysh | once the CI is happy, I will do the reviewing. | 05:06 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: great! thanks | 05:06 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, dkushwaha , it seems triant is still touring tiananmen square and Great Wall. | 05:06 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: hahaha | 05:07 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: hahahaha | 05:07 |
| gongysh | and Forbidden city is large too. he has asked me for those sites. | 05:07 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: i also love to visit Great wall some day :) | 05:07 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, welcome anytime. | 05:08 |
| Liuqing | gongysh: hahahaha | 05:08 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, you can install a WeChat client on your phone so that can chat me anytime. | 05:08 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh: sure, will try it | 05:09 |
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| gongysh | my wechat number is my telephone number. | 05:09 |
| Liuqing | dkushwaha， welcome | 05:09 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: and what is your telephone number ? | 05:10 |
| gongysh | 18618199879 | 05:10 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: thanks | 05:10 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, don't forget your state transition diagram. | 05:11 |
| gongysh | we need it. | 05:11 |
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| gongysh | to narrate what action is ok at each state. | 05:12 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1697818 | 05:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1697818 in tacker "We can create vims with same name in same tenant." [Critical,New] - Assigned to Yan Xing'an (yanxingan) | 05:12 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, ok | 05:12 |
| gongysh | what do you think of this bug? | 05:12 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, after you update the unique index to include deleted_at, we can have the duplicated name for not deleted resources. | 05:13 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: it should not be occurred, i will check it | 05:14 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, thanks. | 05:15 |
| Liuqing | gongysh, duplicated name is not nice for end user, and we can raise a duplicatedNameException. | 05:15 |
| gongysh | #action dkushwaha to check 1697818 | 05:15 |
| gongysh | Liuqing, yes, we have constrain it via mysql unique index. | 05:16 |
| gongysh | constrain -> constrained | 05:16 |
| Liuqing | gongysh, ok | 05:16 |
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| gongysh | if you guys have no more thing to talk, we can end meeting earlier. | 05:17 |
| gongysh | one more news, YanXing_an and me have got a topic to talk about tacker at openstack china days | 05:18 |
| gongysh | the day is at July 24th. | 05:18 |
| gongysh | ok | 05:19 |
| gongysh | thanks everyone. | 05:19 |
| gongysh | have a good night or day. | 05:19 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 05:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 05:19 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 21 05:19:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-06-21-04.31.html | 05:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-06-21-04.31.txt | 05:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-06-21-04.31.log.html | 05:20 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 21 09:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:00 |
| verdurin | Morning, oneswig, all | 09:00 |
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| oneswig | Good morning... | 09:00 |
| oneswig | Blair mentioned a dinner appointment, is hoping to be along | 09:01 |
| oneswig | #link agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_June_21st_2017 | 09:01 |
| priteau | Hello | 09:01 |
| oneswig | Hi priteau | 09:01 |
| priteau | Good morning oneswig | 09:02 |
| priteau | Hello verdurin | 09:02 |
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| verdurin | Hi priteau | 09:02 |
| b1airo | Hi gang | 09:02 |
| oneswig | #topic Optimal meeting time | 09:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Optimal meeting time (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 09:02 | |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo | 09:02 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 09:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 09:02 |
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| oneswig | good evening | 09:02 |
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| oneswig | I was just about to quote some Shakespeare - "when shall we three meet again", but now we're four :-) | 09:03 |
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| b1airo | Note that I'm presently walking to a restaurant for a work thing, so will be a bit patchy this meeting I'm afraid | 09:03 |
| priteau | Good evening b1airo | 09:04 |
| oneswig | On that theme, there was some list discussion on more convenient times to meet for EMEA and APAC. | 09:04 |
| verdurin | oneswig: has someone complained about the current time? | 09:04 |
| b1airo | Hi priteau | 09:04 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: proposes 0700 UTC or 1100 UTC | 09:04 |
| b1airo | verdurin: mainly me - bedtime clash | 09:04 |
| oneswig | 1100 UTC is good for me, 0700 less so... | 09:05 |
| priteau | ditto, especially when we're out of DST | 09:05 |
| verdurin | 1100 UTC okay for me - 0900 was the problematic one | 09:05 |
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| oneswig | I think then, we have unanimous approval for 1100 UTC? | 09:06 |
| daveholland | (late vote for 1100UTC from me) | 09:06 |
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| oneswig | #agreed We'll request a move to 1100 UTC (if available) | 09:07 |
| b1airo | Great, I'll follow that up later then. Shall we chat about scientific software/apps etc on cloud? | 09:07 |
| oneswig | Hi daveholland that's excellent | 09:07 |
| daveholland | sorry, previous meeting ran a bit late | 09:07 |
| oneswig | #action b1airo to investigate 1100 UTC | 09:07 |
| oneswig | #topic Scientific app catalogues on OpenStack | 09:07 |
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| verdurin | Hi daveholland | 09:07 |
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| oneswig | OK so this topic came about because there appear to be several groups around the world who want to get started on making app catalogues for their users | 09:08 |
| b1airo | So I suggested we have a bit of a chat/survey on this prompted by some work we recently completed in the Nectar cloud to launch a new category of glance images contributed by our community | 09:08 |
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| verdurin | oneswig: could you define what "app" refers to in this context? | 09:08 |
| oneswig | I'm aware of prior work from the NSF gang (Jetstream and Bridges) | 09:08 |
| daveholland | are thinking of e.g. an image with Rstudio built/configured? | 09:09 |
| daveholland | (we have done that) | 09:09 |
| oneswig | verdurin: my definition is, someone using a tool rather than compiling it. Eg, ISV applications, or Spark, or similar. | 09:09 |
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| oneswig | daveholland: sounds right to me. | 09:09 |
| b1airo | I'm interested in looking at this broadly, figuring out everything that this might mean and then looking at recommendations for particular use cases | 09:10 |
| verdurin | oneswig: I suppose my point is whether we're covering something like Broad sequencing pipeline, or just the component programs, or both? | 09:10 |
| b1airo | A machine image is probably the most base form | 09:11 |
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| b1airo | verdurin: I would say whatever is useful at the level of the scientist | 09:11 |
| oneswig | verdurin: I'm thinking of the unit, a combination of services, allocated together | 09:11 |
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| daveholland | so we've done various "applications" e.g. an ELK stack; Docker (to make sure the bridge IP range is set to avoid clashing with our internal network range); an openlava cluster; an NFS server. Some of these are aimed at minimising the "sysadmin speed bump" for a developer. Some have CloudForms orchestration on top | 09:12 |
| b1airo | The point of distributing "apps" is to make them easy to consume for a particular purpose, so for e.g. genomics a whole pipeline is probably a suitable unit to distribute in some way | 09:12 |
| oneswig | The way the compute is typically consumed, I guess, makes it easier for users to consume | 09:13 |
| oneswig | daveholland: how have you gone about that? | 09:13 |
| priteau | Orchestration templates (Heat or CloudFormation or something else) should be handled as well as disk images | 09:13 |
| daveholland | oneswig: we pointed the intern in the right direction and let him go :) Seriously, we're using Packer (so, image definition as code) and building on a base OS image. There's no concept of combining functions (e.g. openlava with docker) which is something I don't know how to address | 09:15 |
| oneswig | priteau: on chameleon, do you have a feel for how many people use the appliances as a proportion? | 09:15 |
| verdurin | Yes, I think we need the recipes as well, or references to upstream support cf. definitions in elasticluster | 09:15 |
| priteau | oneswig: you mean what we call "complex appliances", which are orchestrated templates? | 09:15 |
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| b1airo | Anyone else using Murano? We have it on Nectar also and have some members contributing new packages quite steadily, but they are mostly typical app stacks rather than science/research specific at the moment | 09:16 |
| oneswig | priteau: things like the hadoop appliance | 09:16 |
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| b1airo | I need to pay attention here now, pls mention me if there's anything to answer | 09:17 |
| oneswig | We don't have Murano but are interested generally in it as a solution. One issue IIRC is that it's not supported by Red Hat OSP | 09:17 |
| oneswig | Which makes it tricky for quite a lot of deployments out there. | 09:18 |
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| daveholland | @blairo we're not using Murano mostly because it's not in RHOSP. but it looks potentially interesting | 09:18 |
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| b1airo | Does RH have a viable alternative? | 09:18 |
| priteau | oneswig: I haven't run the numbers recently but IIRC some months ago, most usage was with basic CentOS or Ubuntu images, then images for specialized hardware (GPU, FPGA), then OpenStack deployments | 09:19 |
| b1airo | Things like Juju seem like a reasonable agnostic alternative | 09:19 |
| oneswig | daveholland: Am I right in thinking that RH will still support OSP if a customer integrates other services - just not the extra non-supported services? | 09:19 |
| daveholland | I'm not sure if OpenShift fits that gap (maybe if you push hard) | 09:19 |
| priteau | The Hadoop appliance wasn't used much, I assume because it targets a very specific community of people interested by high-performance networking in VMs | 09:19 |
| oneswig | b1airo: I think RH would like people to use OpenShift or CloudForms perhaps? | 09:19 |
| oneswig | ok thanks priteau | 09:20 |
| daveholland | @oneswig yes, we have done various customizations (e.g. ml2 drivers) and still get support, we haven't added other OpenStack services though | 09:20 |
| verdurin | daveholland: Openshift leans more towards developers | 09:20 |
| verdurin | RH may have Murano as a Tech. Preview soon, if they don't already | 09:20 |
| priteau | oneswig: but we are a special testbed with a lot of users building their own systems for research. I expect domain scientists would use pre-packaged appliances much more. | 09:21 |
| oneswig | From this discussion, I think if somebody was to deploy Murano and make a good fist of it, we've got enough content for another section of the book on this. | 09:21 |
| daveholland | Murano isn't tech preview in RHOSP11 FWIW (we're only just about to deploy RHOSP10 as our next iteration...) | 09:21 |
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| b1airo | Yeah I think Nectar generally would be interested in contributing and collaborating on that | 09:22 |
| verdurin | daveholland: okay, once more my optimism is dashed | 09:22 |
| daveholland | sorry :) :( | 09:22 |
| oneswig | b1airo: jmlowe and rbudden I'm sure would also be interested. | 09:22 |
| verdurin | oneswig: we would be happy to contribute | 09:22 |
| b1airo | Yes, this conversation actually started with them | 09:23 |
| oneswig | verdurin: daveholland: I expect it can be done within TripleO + RDO (gut instinct) | 09:23 |
| oneswig | And would then transfer direct to OSP | 09:23 |
| oneswig | I can do some research on that. | 09:24 |
| verdurin | oneswig: sure - that's how I would test it anyway | 09:24 |
| oneswig | b1airo: Is there anything online about Nectar's work with Murano so far? | 09:24 |
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| oneswig | verdurin: testing Murano on tripleo - that would be great, lets try to work out how | 09:25 |
| daveholland | do I understand right that Murano uses heat? Is that to assemble components in an instance deployed from a bare OS image? (sounds like say using CloudForms to inject cloud-init script to install/configure packages) | 09:26 |
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| b1airo | oneswig: a little, e.g., https://nectar.org.au/cloud-application-catalogue-released/ | 09:26 |
| oneswig | daveholland: I believe so, yes. Particularly good for managing a multi-node application topology as a single addressable thing | 09:27 |
| priteau | daveholland: yes, Murano can store Heat templates: https://docs.openstack.org/developer/murano/appdev-guide/hot_packages.html | 09:27 |
| daveholland | OK, and that does address how to combine components/applications in a single instance (assuming they don't tread on each other) thanks | 09:27 |
| oneswig | I wonder how portable Murano apps are from one cloud to another. Probably quite easy to include site-specific assumptions. | 09:28 |
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| oneswig | daveholland: b1airo's suggestion of juju earlier covers very similar ground - but even less likely to be on RH's roadmap | 09:29 |
| zz9pzza | If you used something like packer with openstack and aws to generate images that would help to reduce site specific issues. | 09:30 |
| b1airo | Though doesn't need to be on RH's roadmap to use it against a RHOSP cloud | 09:30 |
| verdurin | Yes, I'd go that way rather than Juju, about which I'm a bit of a sceptic | 09:31 |
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| oneswig | zz9pzza: agreed, building for two different targets does help remove assumptions | 09:31 |
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| oneswig | OK, how can we make progress here? I think there's some investigation and reporting back. Like everyone I can't be certain if I'll get the time at this end but I'd like to try it too. | 09:33 |
| daveholland | it's a trade-off though: build images and you have (potentially exponential) image sprawl and the size requirements; but an image is quicker to deploy the app than installing it on a bare OS every time | 09:33 |
| zz9pzza | I prefer images, as it reduces launch time and they can have functional tests via a ci | 09:34 |
| verdurin | oneswig: happy to coordinate with you separately about Murano testing with TripleO | 09:34 |
| b1airo | I'll have a think about a way to survey what people are going/seeing today | 09:34 |
| b1airo | s/going/doing/ | 09:34 |
| oneswig | I guess with images you lose the opportunity to easily parameterise, eg scale of resource allocated | 09:34 |
| oneswig | verdurin: great, lets do that. | 09:35 |
| zz9pzza | You can put some customisation in cloud init | 09:35 |
| b1airo | Can still use cloud-init to customise behaviour oneswig | 09:35 |
| b1airo | Jinx! | 09:35 |
| zz9pzza | :) | 09:35 |
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| oneswig | zz9pzza: but not things like the number of worker nodes? | 09:35 |
| zz9pzza | But that is at a different layer eg heat | 09:35 |
| zz9pzza | or auto scaling from the first machine | 09:36 |
| oneswig | true. Heat + images would get you a long way | 09:36 |
| oneswig | that is was we do for cluster-as-a-service currently, with ansible as the icing on the cake :-) | 09:36 |
| b1airo | The biggest issue we see with Heat templates is that the original dev assumes some feature of their local cloud, e.g., tenant networks or floating IPs | 09:37 |
| b1airo | Often those things are not necessary dependencies, but it's hard to untangle them | 09:37 |
| priteau | My dream would be one unified way of defining customization at image-build time or at deployment-time, and the infrastructure would decide which is best to use | 09:37 |
| oneswig | b1airo: My heat templates certainly have that stuff in them. | 09:37 |
| priteau | But I suppose that's more for a PaaS than for IaaS | 09:38 |
| daveholland | heat input parameters (+ defaults) could paper over that | 09:38 |
| b1airo | Yes priteau , reminds me of when I was programming against Azure many years back | 09:38 |
| oneswig | priteau: In this discussion I see the application catalogue in that layer, or above it | 09:38 |
| oneswig | OK, final actions? I can start a review for a new section of the book. When people's research comes back, we can start to gather findings there. b1airo it would be particularly interesting if there's evidence of Nectar's Murano serving science/HPC apps. GPUs, SRIOV - bonus material. | 09:42 |
| b1airo | Shall we have a quick chat on security oneswig ? I have one eye on my phone still... | 09:43 |
| oneswig | We should also roll over this topic for the Americas | 09:43 |
| oneswig | OK, here it comes | 09:43 |
| oneswig | #topic Security of research computing instances | 09:43 |
| b1airo | Yes agreed re. rollover | 09:43 |
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| oneswig | Another week, another kernel patch. | 09:43 |
| b1airo | Ha! | 09:43 |
| daveholland | :/ | 09:43 |
| oneswig | I'm not sure cloud helps to the extent that it could with these things - so easy to have user machines going rotten | 09:44 |
| oneswig | Any good practice out there? | 09:44 |
| b1airo | We are looking at ways to integrate FW into our OpenStack in an opt-in manner (it's otherwise a DMZ) | 09:44 |
| daveholland | turn on unattended-upgrades (or similar) in base images? maybe controversial for repeatable/reproducible | 09:44 |
| zz9pzza | I note that cloudforms can do security scans by taking a snapshot of a machine and run scripts against that image however we havn't tried using it yet. | 09:44 |
| verdurin | Should be possible to reuse some of the work people are doing to vet container images/definition files? | 09:45 |
| daveholland | or accept that the soft centre is going to remain soft, and check that security groups keep the outside relatively hard? | 09:45 |
| priteau | We run a vulnerability scanner against instances, but that only covers issues that can be detected remotely (mostly SSL security problems) | 09:45 |
| b1airo | Currently seems like a routed solution where FW is the default gateway on certain provider nets might be the simplest option. So no direct OpenStack Integra | 09:45 |
| oneswig | I've heard of the friendly probing service for that - both against infra and instances | 09:45 |
| b1airo | verdurin: any links on that? | 09:46 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: is that an instance serving as firewall & gateway, or FWaaS? | 09:46 |
| verdurin | b1airo: e.g. https://github.com/coreos/clair | 09:47 |
| daveholland | also the location of the security responsibility boundary. If the OpenStack admin is purely providing hosting (indeed might be contractually forbidden from looking inside instances) that makes a difference | 09:47 |
| b1airo | The image catalog work I mentioned earlier includes a static security scan of the image as one of the criteria to pass before we put the image in the "Contributed" category | 09:47 |
| oneswig | b1airo: sounds good. Is that on nectar's github? | 09:48 |
| b1airo | oneswig: the FW could be in an instance but we already have physical Palo Altos that we can probably integrate like that | 09:48 |
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| priteau | There was a related talk in Barcelona, still on my watch list though | 09:49 |
| priteau | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuL7in9CxHY | 09:49 |
| oneswig | Is there an equivalent of something like tripwire/electricfence that can run within a VTN, or is that under the firewall remit? | 09:49 |
| oneswig | Thanks priteau, looks interesting | 09:49 |
| b1airo | oneswig: yes, it's in our CI somewhere | 09:50 |
| b1airo | I can take that as an action to share | 09:50 |
| zz9pzza | But that kind of thing will not catch new issues that arise. | 09:50 |
| oneswig | b1airo: sure that would be helpful | 09:50 |
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| verdurin | zz9pzza: yes, that was my thought | 09:51 |
| zz9pzza | Which cloudforms could in theory | 09:51 |
| b1airo | zz9pzza: true, but we require "Contributed" images to be updated on a rolling basis | 09:51 |
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| oneswig | zz9pzza: I guess the hope is to catch the misuse of a compromised system. The university network watches for this. I guess it's all layers | 09:52 |
| zz9pzza | but if I have a system that has been up for a month... | 09:52 |
| daveholland | @b1airo do you expire or time-limit instances made from one of those images? can imagine a long-lived instance being vulnerable to a newly-announced bug | 09:53 |
| b1airo | Oh sure. We do vulnerability scanning too | 09:53 |
| daveholland | JOOI what is the time limit? we are looking to host "pets" which could be around for months | 09:53 |
| oneswig | daveholland: indeed. If the managed infrastructure is updated immediately, what equivalent can be done to shore up user cloud instances | 09:54 |
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| oneswig | Ah, we are short on time. Any more to add here? | 09:56 |
| oneswig | I think the different strategies are all valuable, great suggestions thanks everyone | 09:57 |
| daveholland | just a quick comment about user education :) this week I found someone who thought he had to enable ssh inbound to make ssh outbound work | 09:57 |
| verdurin | Worth talking to CERN people - when I was active in CMS, there was a lot of discussions about these sorts of security issues, e.g. with long lasting instances | 09:57 |
| daveholland | (actually it wasn't ssh in particular but a misunderstanding about port number at each end of a TCP connection) | 09:58 |
| priteau | oneswig: unrelated to the current topic, but any news about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459884/ | 10:00 |
| b1airo | Thanks all. I think all this warrants some ML threads too... | 10:00 |
| oneswig | verdurin: good point, and it's a general issue not just for research computing | 10:00 |
| verdurin | Bye all | 10:00 |
| oneswig | priteau: no, oddly - I'll make a note to chase | 10:00 |
| oneswig | thanks everyone, out of time | 10:00 |
| zz9pzza | ttfn | 10:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 10:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 10:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 21 10:01:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-06-21-09.00.html | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-06-21-09.00.txt | 10:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-06-21-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
| priteau | Thanks everyone, bye! | 10:01 |
| daveholland | bye! | 10:01 |
| b1airo | Goodnight! | 10:01 |
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| oneswig | bon appetite b1airo! | 10:02 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 21 14:00:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 14:00 |
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| rhochmuth | o/ | 14:00 |
| witek | hello | 14:01 |
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| rhochmuth | hi witek | 14:01 |
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| rhochmuth | agenda for todaty is posted at, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
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| rhochmuth | anyone at today's meeting | 14:01 |
| rhochmuth | looks like you made it back from vacation, witek | 14:02 |
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| witek | yes, full of energy :) | 14:02 |
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| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday June 21 2017 (14:00 UTC) | 14:03 |
| rhochmuth | 1.Reviews | 14:03 |
| rhochmuth | 1.2nd opinion needed -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470995/ [tomasz: everything looks ok from my POV, tested successfully and just need 2nd pair of eyes to confirm and accept or just +1] | 14:03 |
| rhochmuth | 2.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465532/ - is it acceptable to have gate tests against python-monascaclient@master or monascaclient change ? | 14:03 |
| rhochmuth | 3.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469418/ - needs reviews and opinion. This is a the same aproach to install monasca-api in devstack just like in monasca-log-api. Current installation has a problems because monasca-api is not starting locally. wrong change is installed inside of the virtualenv. | 14:03 |
| rhochmuth | 2.Should we disable bug tracking with Launchpad? | 14:03 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic Ceph cluster plugin | 14:04 |
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| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470995/ | 14:04 |
| witek | Tomasz has tested it, looks OK for him | 14:05 |
| rhochmuth | so, should we merge now | 14:05 |
| witek | would be nice to have someone else to have a look | 14:05 |
| rhochmuth | i can take a quick look and merge if that works for you | 14:05 |
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| witek | ok | 14:05 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic Integrate with newer client | 14:06 |
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| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465532/ | 14:06 |
| rhochmuth | Same on this one too i guess | 14:06 |
| witek | there is more | 14:06 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465532/32/tools/tox_install.sh | 14:06 |
| witek | the function install_client_depends_on changes the constraints of installed package | 14:07 |
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| witek | it allows to take the master of let say, pyton-monascaclient in that case, instead of the last tag | 14:08 |
| rhochmuth | cool | 14:08 |
| witek | it also allows to use Depends-On: tag for unit tests | 14:09 |
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| witek | till now, always last tag was used, and Depends-On tag was neglected | 14:09 |
| witek | standard OpenStack procedure is to take the last tag, but we have many cross-deps between repos | 14:10 |
| witek | so I think the change goes in right direction | 14:11 |
| rhochmuth | ok, sounds like a good improvement | 14:11 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic Adjust monasca-api installation | 14:11 |
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| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469418/ | 14:12 |
| witek | the previous change should be merged together with other osc-lib changes | 14:12 |
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| witek | to the next one, Artur has refactored installing monasca-api in devstack | 14:13 |
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| witek | most importantly, service configuration files are generated by devstack | 14:14 |
| witek | and monasca-api is installed without virtualenv | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i'll look at that one too | 14:14 |
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| rhochmuth | these all seem like good changes to me | 14:15 |
| witek | we have observed that sometimes old version of the package has been installed in venv | 14:15 |
| rhochmuth | although, we are spending a lot of time refactoring stuff, rather than developing new features | 14:15 |
| witek | and couldn't really tell why | 14:15 |
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| rhochmuth | i feel like the last 4-5 months has been on polishing stuff | 14:16 |
| rhochmuth | meanwhile the core is being neglected | 14:16 |
| rhochmuth | but, i guess that is another topic | 14:16 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic Should we disable bug tracking with Launchpad? | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Should we disable bug tracking with Launchpad? (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 14:17 | |
| rhochmuth | YES | 14:17 |
| witek | I have noticed that there are still new bugs being filed to LP | 14:17 |
| witek | I have talked to SB team and they have run migration script again today to update the stuff | 14:18 |
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| rhochmuth | thanks | 14:19 |
| rhochmuth | if we can shut it down | 14:19 |
| witek | there are still some cross-project bugs which we will kind of 'lose' if we switch of LP | 14:19 |
| rhochmuth | then now would be a good time | 14:19 |
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| witek | I also think it is a good idea | 14:19 |
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| witek | and we should update/add information about bug tracking location | 14:20 |
| rhochmuth | in the wiki and landing page | 14:21 |
| witek | which is the landing page? :) | 14:21 |
| rhochmuth | i was thinking https://launchpad.net/monasca | 14:22 |
| witek | right | 14:22 |
| rhochmuth | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Monasca | 14:22 |
| witek | we could also add it to README in repos | 14:22 |
| rhochmuth | that would be good too | 14:22 |
| rhochmuth | so, i can update the launchpad and wiki | 14:24 |
| rhochmuth | and we can get the repos updated | 14:24 |
| witek | cool, thanks | 14:24 |
| rhochmuth | so, i guess that is it for today | 14:25 |
| rhochmuth | just you and me i guess | 14:25 |
| witek | private session | 14:25 |
| rhochmuth | not exactly standing room only | 14:25 |
| rhochmuth | unless you are standing right now | 14:25 |
| rhochmuth | should we call it a day | 14:25 |
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| witek | I don't have anything else | 14:26 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i'll look into those reviews and update the wiki and launchpad | 14:26 |
| rhochmuth | if you can look into shutting launchpad bugs down that woudl be great | 14:26 |
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| witek | thank you, bye | 14:26 |
| rhochmuth | ok, thanks, see you next week | 14:27 |
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| witek | yes, I can do it right now | 14:27 |
| rhochmuth | thanks | 14:27 |
| haruki | thx, bye | 14:27 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 14:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 21 14:27:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-06-21-14.00.html | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-06-21-14.00.txt | 14:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-06-21-14.00.log.html | 14:27 |
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| msimonin | #startmeeting fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 21 15:02:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is msimonin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:02 |
| msimonin | #chair parnexius | 15:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: msimonin parnexius | 15:02 |
| msimonin | #topic roll call | 15:02 |
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| parnexius | Hello everyone | 15:02 |
| samP | hi..o/ | 15:02 |
| msimonin | Hello folks ! | 15:02 |
| msimonin | Let's see who's around :) | 15:03 |
| rcherrueau | o/ | 15:03 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:03 |
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| samP | o/ | 15:03 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 15:03 |
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| pbressan | o/ | 15:03 |
| parnexius | Adrien has posted an Agenda for the meeting but will not be joining us. Mat and I will chair today | 15:04 |
| msimonin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 | 15:04 |
| msimonin | today we are at line 810 | 15:04 |
| serverascode | o/ | 15:05 |
| msimonin | Feel free to add your name | 15:05 |
| msimonin | It Seems we can start | 15:05 |
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| msimonin | #topic announcements | 15:05 |
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| msimonin | As parnexius said _ad_rien_ is not available today | 15:06 |
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| msimonin | so I'll try to transmit his announcements :) | 15:06 |
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| msimonin | First thing is that we are in touch wit ESTI MEC | 15:07 |
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| msimonin | #link http://www.etsi.org/technologies-clusters/technologies/multi-access-edge-computing | 15:07 |
| msimonin | They have some architecture work done there | 15:07 |
| msimonin | and we are now currently discussing with them to see if OpenStack can be used in their architecture | 15:08 |
| msimonin | at least identify some building blocks | 15:08 |
| parnexius | Great idea. I have started using some of their material in the use case development. | 15:09 |
| parnexius | More on that later. | 15:09 |
| msimonin | cool ! | 15:09 |
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| msimonin | I think we can move to the next topic | 15:10 |
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| msimonin | #topic AMQP alternatives | 15:10 |
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| msimonin | kgiusti ansmith any updates ? | 15:10 |
| kgiusti | hey! | 15:10 |
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| kgiusti | kolla work is progressing nicely | 15:11 |
| kgiusti | andy and I have started an epad to define tests of the messaging bus | 15:11 |
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| kgiusti | link in epad | 15:11 |
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| kgiusti | mostly focused on messaging testing | 15:12 |
| msimonin | thanks for this proposal kgiusti | 15:12 |
| kgiusti | at this point. | 15:12 |
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| kgiusti | cloud level messaging test tools explored a bit | 15:12 |
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| kgiusti | but really need help with defining the openstack cloud deployment arch to help define the best messaging topology to tests | 15:13 |
| kgiusti | err - "most appropriate messaging topology" for the cloud deployment | 15:13 |
| msimonin | by topology: you mean where to put the router and what links between them ? | 15:14 |
| kgiusti | so please weigh in if you have any suggestions for messaging-oriented tests, failure scenarios, etc. | 15:14 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: yeah - the optimal distribution of routers "under" the cloud | 15:14 |
| parnexius | kgiusti: which link is that in the epad (the one on strawman proposal) | 15:14 |
| kgiusti | parnexius: line 834 | 15:15 |
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| parnexius | kgiusti: by router, you mean message router (like rabbitmq instances). | 15:15 |
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| rcherrueau | kgiusti: I guess, we should test several topologies | 15:16 |
| kgiusti | parnexius: in general yes, but that really depends on the tech used (rabbitmq/zeromq/router) | 15:16 |
| rcherrueau | I mean, putting router on all physical nodes vs router on one leader node | 15:16 |
| kgiusti | for example: rabbitmq would be limited to clustering for scale | 15:16 |
| parnexius | kgiusti: so if I understand the point right a router topology would include whether the router is deployed in the edge node, or only in a central location. | 15:17 |
| kgiusti | rcherrueau: that's one scenario for the router, yes | 15:17 |
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| kgiusti | parnexius: yes - the router model is the most flexible, | 15:17 |
| rcherrueau | meshing is also important I guess. Going with a full mesh between rooters is not the same thing than going with a star mesh | 15:17 |
| kgiusti | and thus most complex - we need to consider redundancy, locality of traffic, etc | 15:17 |
| kgiusti | rcherrueau: right - for example, how many network or router failures should be tolerated? | 15:18 |
| parnexius | Is Dynamic routing available in these solutions? | 15:18 |
| rcherrueau | I don't know, I much as OpenStack tolerate no :) | 15:19 |
| rcherrueau | as much as* | 15:19 |
| parnexius | So High-Availability would need to be provided by the solution (RabbitMQ, ZeroMQ, ....) | 15:19 |
| kgiusti | parnexius: yes - all routing is dynamic | 15:19 |
| parnexius | kgiusti: can you please elaborate? | 15:20 |
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| parnexius | What would happen if a router on a node becomes unreachable? | 15:20 |
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| kgiusti | parnexius: sure - regarding dynamic routing I'm assuming you mean re-routing around network failures | 15:20 |
| kgiusti | parnexius: if the clients have a fail-over router configured, that will be tried in recovery. | 15:21 |
| parnexius | OK! I would call that static. but you are right it is a little dynamic. | 15:21 |
| kgiusti | parnexius: if there are redundant routers on the node (hot standby) that would take over (assuming redundant network paths) | 15:22 |
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| kgiusti | parnexius: topology is one factor, the other is over-provisioning for throughput | 15:23 |
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| kgiusti | parnexius: eg, if we lose a rabbit in a cluster, how does that reduce overall capacity? | 15:23 |
| msimonin | I think we need time to get through what is written on the epad | 15:23 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: yep | 15:24 |
| msimonin | and give you feedback | 15:24 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: and questions! :) | 15:24 |
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| msimonin | #info kgiusti share a premilinary "message plane load testing" | 15:24 |
| msimonin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/1BGhFHDIoi | 15:24 |
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| msimonin | (just recording some stuffs :) ) | 15:25 |
| msimonin | Can we iterate on the mailing list ? | 15:25 |
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| msimonin | and/or direclty on the document until next meeting | 15:25 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: yes - I did send an email just before the meeting regarding this | 15:25 |
| parnexius | msimonin: Good Point. We shoudl all take action to be more active outside of IRC sessions. | 15:26 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: so folks not present can get the epad | 15:26 |
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| msimonin | kgiusti ansmith anything else on qpid dispatch router ? | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | fyi: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118716.html | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | I'm good - andy? | 15:27 |
| ansmith | good | 15:27 |
| parnexius | Should we move to next topic then | 15:28 |
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| msimonin | right parnexius :) | 15:29 |
| msimonin | *was reading the ml :) * | 15:29 |
| msimonin | so | 15:29 |
| msimonin | next topic | 15:29 |
| msimonin | #topic cockroachdb | 15:29 |
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| msimonin | So I would say that similarly to the work on the messaging layer | 15:30 |
| msimonin | there has been a mail on the ml about using cockroadb as an alternative backend for keystone | 15:30 |
| msimonin | CockroachDB could be very interesting also in the context of a massively distributed cloud | 15:31 |
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| parnexius | Would that mean the database is replicated to all edge nodes? | 15:32 |
| serverascode | cool will have to read through those notes | 15:32 |
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| msimonin | we had a meeting with some cockroachdb folks last week | 15:32 |
| msimonin | a very first contact | 15:32 |
| msimonin | parnexius: the same as qpid the topology will need to be defined | 15:33 |
| rcherrueau | parnexius: not necessarily. With cockroachdb, you can tell which tuples should be replicated and which should not. | 15:33 |
| msimonin | So | 15:34 |
| parnexius | But this is not an opensource solution! | 15:34 |
| rcherrueau | no, this is | 15:34 |
| rcherrueau | Spanner is proprietary, CockroachDB is opensource | 15:35 |
| * rcherrueau check the licence | 15:35 | |
| parnexius | OK. I see it now. | 15:35 |
| msimonin | So at Inria we are very much interesting in evaluating this | 15:35 |
| msimonin | but we'll need support ! | 15:36 |
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| rcherrueau | parnexius: Apache License, Version 2.0, for community | 15:36 |
| msimonin | Changing the DB backend here we'll require to resurect the postgresql driver, choose a service (keystone, nova, glance …) to make primary evaluation | 15:37 |
| msimonin | and so on | 15:37 |
| parnexius | Ceilometer ? | 15:37 |
| msimonin | parnexius: yes it could be as well | 15:38 |
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| msimonin | so there's a lot of exciting stuff to do | 15:38 |
| msimonin | so my question is | 15:38 |
| msimonin | how to make people as excited as I am about this ? | 15:38 |
| serverascode | that's a good question, there will be a fair amount of pushback on using cockroachdb | 15:39 |
| parnexius | msimonin: why are you excited? | 15:39 |
| serverascode | mostly I think around who will actually do the work in terms of the openstack testing system | 15:40 |
| msimonin | parnexius: to speak roughly cockroach is noSQL with ACID properties | 15:40 |
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| parnexius | and Why is ACID important to our usecases? would performance be more important? | 15:41 |
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| serverascode | I would imagine a lot of code would have to be rewritten if the db were not ACID | 15:42 |
| msimonin | I should add that cockroach is compatible with sqlalchemy | 15:43 |
| rcherrueau | parnexius: ACID or not, Cockroach speaks Postgres protocol. That means -- in principle -- using it would be as simple as configuring oslo.db to connect to Cockroach | 15:43 |
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| rcherrueau | parnexius: The thing is, you have to implement ACID properties to implement pgsql protocol | 15:44 |
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| msimonin | To conclude here | 15:45 |
| parnexius | Great discussion: some requirements are popping up here. | 15:45 |
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| msimonin | parnexius: yes ? | 15:46 |
| parnexius | Performance, ACID, noSQL, pgsql | 15:46 |
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| parnexius | we need to get our heads together and define what is important to massively distributed. | 15:47 |
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| msimonin | right parnexius | 15:47 |
| parnexius | please conclude. | 15:48 |
| rcherrueau | parnexius: It would be cool is someone can look at Keystone db API/db requests and says which parts require string consistency (ACID) | 15:48 |
| rcherrueau | strong consistency* | 15:49 |
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| msimonin | I'll take an action on this | 15:49 |
| msimonin | I'll ping keystone guys | 15:49 |
| msimonin | #action msimonin get in touch with keystone about cockroach | 15:49 |
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| parnexius | you should look at Nova too. | 15:49 |
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| rcherrueau | If none require strong consistency, then we can go with NoSQL -- but this means, we have to rewrite the db part of Keystone | 15:50 |
| parnexius | keystone db tends to be centralized... while nova can be distributed. | 15:50 |
| msimonin | the step after will be nova | 15:50 |
| msimonin | the initial idea was from keystone | 15:50 |
| parnexius | My point is we should focus on the aspects that are more relevant to Massively distributed. | 15:50 |
| serverascode | how can nova be distributed? you mean cells? | 15:51 |
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| msimonin | #topic use-case definitions/dicussions | 15:51 |
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| parnexius | I mean that nova has components in each cells or edge nodes..... While keystone is usually central to a region ar the master cell. | 15:51 |
| parnexius | Great transition. | 15:51 |
| msimonin | parnexius: serverascode: let's see what keystone guy had in mind when proposing cockroach | 15:52 |
| parnexius | About Use cases. | 15:52 |
| msimonin | yes go on :) | 15:52 |
| rcherrueau | parnexius: In multi-region scenarios, some also put keystone in each region and make it consistent using galera | 15:52 |
| parnexius | I have uploaded some slides on goold doc. They touch on this very topic. | 15:52 |
| Nil_ | very bad experience with galera cluster. MySQL nbd better experience but requiere very services and complicated. | 15:53 |
| parnexius | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1sBczuC2Wu1d_misBmPahLPdvyhOI4QuVy129EHunuUM/edit?usp=sharing | 15:53 |
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| parnexius | I will follow kgiusi example and send in an email. | 15:54 |
| serverascode | many people have run galera sucessfully, and that is where some pushback will come from | 15:54 |
| rcherrueau | Nil_: I have no doubt on that :) | 15:54 |
| msimonin | parnexius: +1 for the ml | 15:54 |
| serverascode | but the most I've seen anyone mention is 12 regions with a shared galera over all of them | 15:54 |
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| serverascode | where was hopefully with something like cockroachdb we could do many more regions | 15:55 |
| parnexius | I was hoping that I could get some input from the team. and the discussion on galera and coackroach is relevant. | 15:55 |
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| msimonin | too many interesting topics here :) | 15:55 |
| parnexius | Let's move this discussion to the mailing list. | 15:55 |
| Nil_ | maybe CockroachDB, i read gitup and very interesting... | 15:55 |
| rcherrueau | serverascode: Galera is not an option in our usecases because of the WAN latency | 15:55 |
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| msimonin | parnexius: ok | 15:56 |
| serverascode | I'm just letting you know the pushback we will get :) | 15:56 |
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| parnexius | is everyone interested in this discussion, or should we create a subteam. | 15:56 |
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| msimonin | actually I think we should move this discussion in the beginning next time :) | 15:57 |
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| parnexius | Msimonin: please give me action to take discussion to ML and let's move to close the meeting. | 15:57 |
| msimonin | sure | 15:57 |
| msimonin | #action parnexius starts a thread on the ml about massively distributed use cases | 15:57 |
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| msimonin | We have 2 min left :( | 15:58 |
| msimonin | #topic open discussion | 15:58 |
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| pbressan | just leaving a question for next session, is discussion about how implement distributed UCs in terms of networking ? | 15:58 |
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| msimonin | UCs ? | 15:58 |
| pbressan | ml2/3, tricircle, etc ? | 15:58 |
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| samP | just a quick intro.. from LCOO | 15:58 |
| parnexius | UC = Use cases. | 15:58 |
| msimonin | kk :) | 15:59 |
| samP | Hi, I’m Sampath from NTT, one of the persons driving Ext ream testing (Destructive Testing) in LCOO with jamemcc | 15:59 |
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| msimonin | sorry guys | 15:59 |
| msimonin | =) | 15:59 |
| msimonin | let's try to iterate as much as possible between meetings | 15:59 |
| msimonin | on the ml for example | 15:59 |
| parnexius | +! | 15:59 |
| parnexius | +1 | 15:59 |
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| msimonin | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| samP | np..next time..+1 | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 21 16:00:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2017/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2017-06-21-15.02.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2017/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2017-06-21-15.02.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2017/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2017-06-21-15.02.log.html | 16:00 |
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| msimonin | thanks all ! | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 21 16:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor lhx_ baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov wxy viks ketonne abishop | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | sivn | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:00 |
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| geguileo | hi! | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu | hi | 16:01 |
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| scottda | hi | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Sean has asked me to cover today. :-) | 16:01 |
| wxy | hello | 16:01 |
| patrickeast | Hey | 16:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello | 16:01 |
| * smcginnis is not really here, will catch up later | 16:01 | |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
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| cFouts | hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Is more here than expected. ;-) | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so it looks like we have a good group here to start with. | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | The usual reminder to please take a look at the review priority for the release: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: and I went through the reviews from last month's bug smash and worked to get as many things merged as possible. | 16:04 |
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| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, did our tagging bugs ahead of time help them out? | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | Also went through all the spec tracking items and got them updated. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: I think that worked well. | 16:05 |
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| Swanson | hi | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: I think it is a practice we should continue to do. It looked like that was used as a starting point and then some other items were added. | 16:05 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool, we will have to keep that in mind for tagging bugs. Might even want to consider a monthly bugsmash day like other projects do. I | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Last time I checked there were about 19 bugs that were addressed and closed. | 16:06 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, jinx | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Jinx. ;-) | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | I have been trying to coordinate with smcginnis once a month to go through and clean up bugs, etc. So, yeah, we are on the same page there. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | I think people have been doing a good job of looking at reviews from what I have seen. Thank you. | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | Also, one other announcement, I marked all the proposed drivers that missed the Pike deadline with a -2 just so we don't accidentally merge anything there. | 16:08 |
| lhx_ | hi | 16:08 |
| * jungleboyj wasn't very popular for that. | 16:08 | |
| jungleboyj | @!h | 16:08 |
| pewp | jungleboyj (/ .□.) ︵╰(゜Д゜)╯︵ /(.□. ) | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | So, I think that was all I had for announcements. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Add new config option in volume driver class | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | guyk: You here? | 16:09 |
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| guyk | jungleboyj: yes | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Take it away. | 16:09 |
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| guyk | this idea was proposed by Mike Perez in one of my patch. It is to create and use generic variable in the volume driver. | 16:10 |
| geguileo | what kind of generic variable? r:-?? | 16:11 |
| guyk | And replace current and different config options used in the drivers | 16:11 |
| lhx_ | guyk, what's the patch? | 16:11 |
| geguileo | so consolidation of configuration variables | 16:11 |
| guyk | geguileo: set the ip address and the port of the volume backend | 16:11 |
| guyk | lhx_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457426/3 | 16:11 |
| lhx_ | thx :) | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Oh yes, we have had this discussion before. | 16:12 |
| e0ne | in general, I like this idea | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457426/3 | 16:12 |
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| geguileo | wouldn't it be better to support a list | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | geguileo +1 | 16:13 |
| e0ne | geguileo: +1 | 16:13 |
| tommylikehu | address list? | 16:13 |
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| geguileo | problem is that each address could have a different port | 16:13 |
| geguileo | unlikely, but possible | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: So that is concern with the specific patch. | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | guyk just to be clear, we do already have this option FWIW | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | san_ip | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | just some don't use it | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | I think we want to first address consolidation? | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ++ | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | I'm sort of leary about introducing yet another "common" config option that people choose to not use | 16:14 |
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| guyk | jgriffith: yes some of the drivers don't use it because their backend doesn't use the san protocol so they rename it | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | if we do want a better name that's totally cool with me, but we should deprecate the old one and make it clear we expect it to be used | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | guyk there's no such thing as a 'san' protocol | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | guyk san just means it's an external device | 16:15 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: +1 | 16:15 |
| xyang2 | we have some "common" config options in san.py that some drivers have been using: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/drivers/san/san.py#L42 | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | guyk and that you're accessing it via API on the 'san_ip' address | 16:15 |
| guyk | jgriffith: yes, made a mistake | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | In other words, it's the name game IMO; and if people want to play the name game that's fine by me; but be very clear that we already have a generic config option, this change should be a proposal to rename the existing san_ip | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | we'll still have the problem we have now of 1/2 the devices not using it though :) | 16:17 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: I agree that we have 2 topics: name game and adoption | 16:18 |
| geguileo | For adoption we could go through deprecating all individual configuration options | 16:18 |
| geguileo | to force drivers to update and consolidate | 16:18 |
| geguileo | though it may not be a very nice thing to do :- | 16:18 |
| geguileo | ( | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | geguileo yeah | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | geguileo there's a broader effort there if we wanted to consider it | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | geguileo there's pretty extensive duplication of config options and exception classes... | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | anyway; that's a bit of a rat-hole probably :) | 16:19 |
| diablo_rojo | I think consolidation is a good idea | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | and geguileo yes, it's sort of not nice to do probably | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | but I'm not a nice person.. so... there's that :) | 16:20 |
| geguileo | lol | 16:20 |
| geguileo | It would be best if we could consolidate all/most of the common options | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | back to guyk 's patch though | 16:20 |
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| geguileo | but then we would really need to make sure they are adopted | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | there is a broader question, but what do we want to do with his proposal to start with? | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | geguileo +1 | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | bueller.... bueller.... | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: I agree but that is going to require a large commitment and planning to implement it. | 16:21 |
| geguileo | should we decide if we want to go with the deprecation of other options? | 16:21 |
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| diablo_rojo | geguileo, do it in waves? A few at a time? | 16:22 |
| geguileo | because as I see it, without adoption this will be another san_ip | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Agreed. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo the problem is that never seems to work for us :( | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ++ | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo we set out to do things that way rather often and never finish | 16:22 |
| geguileo | diablo_rojo: yeah, but the only way to force it is if we deprecate the options | 16:22 |
| diablo_rojo | jgriffith, touche | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | I think it would need to be all at once. | 16:22 |
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| geguileo | diablo_rojo: and then remove them | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo although it is an optimal approach (when it works) | 16:23 |
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| diablo_rojo | So deprecating few at a time is not a good idea? | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | keep in mind you have to deal with upgrades too | 16:23 |
| winston-d | it's migration from individual cfg opts to common opts instead of adoption | 16:23 |
| geguileo | diablo_rojo: I would go with deprecating them all in one patch | 16:23 |
| diablo_rojo | How many approx need to be deprecated? | 16:23 |
| diablo_rojo | geguileo, that works too :) | 16:23 |
| winston-d | adoptions sounds like you had a choice of not to | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | winston-d good point! | 16:23 |
| winston-d | but it seems not adopting is not allowed here. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: ++ | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | so here's an excercise for folks that are interested... generate a current sample.conf | 16:24 |
| geguileo | winston-d: if we want this to be really usefull yeah, it wouldn't be optional | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Agreed. | 16:24 |
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| diablo_rojo | geguileo, +1 | 16:25 |
| geguileo | so we agree to force the migration to common config options? | 16:25 |
| cFouts | Does the upgrade mean that currently installed cinder.conf files will need to be updated manually? | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I think I know where you are going. | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj :) | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | cFouts: I think it might. | 16:25 |
| diablo_rojo | geguileo, yes? | 16:25 |
| winston-d | geguileo: i agree. | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | cFouts yup, that's the problem | 16:25 |
| xyang2 | to support backward compatibility, the old options will have to be supported for many releases | 16:26 |
| cFouts | yeah, it is | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: I don't want to go that far yet. | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | Let me make a proposal before we charge forward. | 16:26 |
| winston-d | xyang2: yeah, :( | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | I think we need to do what jgriffith started to propose. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | Generate a config file and take inventory of the options. | 16:27 |
| xyang2 | so we'll end up with more options than we wanted | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | See how many options this may actually impact. | 16:27 |
| winston-d | cfg opts is also considered as user-facing interface | 16:27 |
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| jungleboyj | Once we have an idea of the impact we can make a plan going forward. | 16:27 |
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| xyang2 | winston-d: +1 | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Deprecate the old ones. Do a release accordingly. | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | Document the upgrade path to help people. | 16:28 |
| Nil_ | this metting , today it's running... | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | Thoughts on this proposal? | 16:28 |
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| xyang2 | jungleboyj: do you think people read document?:) | 16:28 |
| xyang2 | jungleboyj: you'll get a support call first:) | 16:29 |
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| e0ne | xyang2: the will once something will fail | 16:29 |
| lhx_ | so all san options will be deprecate too? | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | xyang2: True enough. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | lhx_: That scares me. A lot of people use that. | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | Well, that stopped the discussion. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | Everyone is looking through the sample config? | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj :) | 16:31 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, I think people lost interest when it started seeming less imminent | 16:32 |
| diablo_rojo | Lol :) | 16:32 |
| * jungleboyj is suddenly very lonely | 16:32 | |
| jgriffith | so I think if this is an approach we want to take the starting point would be to use what we have first | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Can you say more about that? | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | ie consolidate on the existing things like san_ip etc, find as many as we can without introducing new ones | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ++ | 16:32 |
| winston-d | yesterday I tried 'tox -egenconfig' on master branch tip, it's not working. :( but probably that's just me. | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | if we just go in and introduce a whole new set of "new" options we're just making the problem worse | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | winston-d: :-( Yikes. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Totally agree. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | even if it's temporary.. and remember temporary is like at least 2 releases | 16:33 |
| xyang2 | jgriffith: +1 | 16:33 |
| lhx_ | is there a user survey of new options? not sure user care about the new ones. | 16:34 |
| e0ne | :( | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d I just ran it succesfully.. so maybe refresh on your tox env? | 16:34 |
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| xyang2 | lhx_: my guess is user wants the existing options they've already configured to continue to work:) | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | Look.. here's the thing; our config file is 4,859 lines!!!! | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | That's stupid | 16:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Agreed | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: This can't be an imminent thing as it directly impacts users. | 16:35 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: yup, i should try with new virtual env. | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | Need to be careful here. | 16:35 |
| xyang2 | lhx_: if an existing option stops working, they will get upset | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | granted that's all the blank-lines and comments, but still | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | it's not exactly consumable | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | Right. | 16:35 |
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| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, I wasn't saying go for it :) I just mean people are less interested when its not a threat. | 16:36 |
| * jgriffith hands folks a copy of War and Peach and says.. "here's your example, all the answers are in there" | 16:36 | |
| jgriffith | good luck | 16:36 |
| diablo_rojo | jgriffith, lol | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | I would like to know how much consolidation will change that. | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | haha... "Peach" | 16:36 |
| diablo_rojo | 'May the odds be ever in your favor' | 16:36 |
| lhx_ | xyang2, haha, +1 | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: *Laughing* | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | I love War and Peach | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | So we agree we have a problem here. | 16:37 |
| * jungleboyj wonders if there is support group for config option addiction. | 16:37 | |
| lbragstad | o/ My name's Lance and it's been 187 days since I've added a configuration option to my project | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | Hi Lance ... | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | o/ My name's Jay and I cried while writing a config file once. | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | haha | 16:39 |
| bswartz | grep -v '^$\|^\s*\#' /etc/cinder/cinder.conf | 16:39 |
| bswartz | that's not profanity it does something useful | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | Anyway, so, it has gotten quiet again. Do we have anyone who would be willing to take the config file and get an idea of how many options could be consolidated to use existing options. | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | bswartz thanks for that regex foo | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | I think that would be the first step and then re-address discussion in the next meeting. | 16:41 |
| diablo_rojo | *crickets* | 16:41 |
| diablo_rojo | I can put it on my backlog to take a look. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Would be good to have someone familiar with config options do it. | 16:41 |
| diablo_rojo | :D | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | Will you have a chance to at least get an idea of how many duplicates there are before next week? | 16:42 |
| diablo_rojo | Maybe, I can do an introductory foray to get a general idea of a lot- little, etc. | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Ok, cool. | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | #agreed We need to look at our crazy list of config options. | 16:44 |
| diablo_rojo | I will see if I can get a more exact number, but I suspect it will be tedious and time consuming as hell. | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo you're suspicion is correct :) | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | #action diablo_rojo will try to get an idea of how many options could possibly be consolidated to existing items | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | which is why we have the sprawl we have | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | #agreed We should start by using existing options rather than adding new ones. | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | Those agreements and action look good? | 16:45 |
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| diablo_rojo | jgriffith, hence my unease at accepting the task lol | 16:45 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, yeah looks fine to me | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | #action Jay to add to agenda for an update next week. | 16:46 |
| xyang2 | diablo_rojo: I usually ask driver author to use options in san.py, but sometimes they argue that they need to use a different option in their driver for some reason. Just FYI | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo too late, it's been registered in IRC.... you're DOOOOMED | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | With a number/impact in mind we can put together a plan. | 16:46 |
| e0ne | 15 mins reminder | 16:46 |
| winston-d | I guess cinder only cfg opts are only < 50% of all 4,859 lines? | 16:46 |
| diablo_rojo | jgriffith, thanks for the vote of confidence ;) | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: You are good at those details. | 16:46 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, not sure if that is a compliment or not lol | 16:47 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. Lets wrap this up for this meeting. | 16:47 |
| diablo_rojo | xyang2, noted :) | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: :-) | 16:47 |
| winston-d | many shall be library introduced opts. | 16:47 |
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| jungleboyj | guyk: Sorry, we kind of hijacked things here. | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo I have confidence in you, I just feel bad for you :) | 16:47 |
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| diablo_rojo | jgriffith, can't be any worse than standing in front of thousands of people and a demo not working ;) | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | guyk: So, I think we want to hold on your patch at the moment and look at this before going forward. That ok? | 16:48 |
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| guyk | jungleboyj: it is ok | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | Ouch ... | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | guyk: Ok. Thanks. | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Dynamic Reconfiguration | 16:49 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: More config discussion. | 16:49 |
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| diablo_rojo | Indeed. | 16:49 |
| diablo_rojo | It appears that there is a nontrivial section of Cinder cores that think this is a bad idea- especially for multinode setups | 16:50 |
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| diablo_rojo | And I am gravitating towards that school of thought | 16:50 |
| e0ne | diablo_rojo: could you please share a link to the patch? | 16:50 |
| diablo_rojo | e0ne, sure one sec | 16:50 |
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| eharney | is there a short summary of the reason it's tough for multinode/HA? | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: ++ | 16:51 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446132/ | 16:51 |
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| e0ne | diablo_rojo: thanks | 16:51 |
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| jungleboyj | Sad to see the discussion go this way. | 16:51 |
| diablo_rojo | eharney, basically it gets messy fast because processes don't end all at the same time. | 16:51 |
| winston-d | eharney: synchronziation between multi-nodes is hard? | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Manila supports this, doesn't it? | 16:51 |
| * e0ne still thinks that SIGHUP signal will be always a good potion | 16:51 | |
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| eharney | ? | 16:52 |
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| e0ne | s/potion/option | 16:52 |
| diablo_rojo | e0ne, agreed, especially if CInder actually inherits from oslo's services and its handled how it looks to be written. | 16:52 |
| bswartz | jungleboyj: not yet, we want it | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Ah, ok. I had been told you have it. | 16:52 |
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| winston-d | e0ne: potion is better, we need magic here. | 16:53 |
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| * diablo_rojo votes to wait till Manila has solved it like we do with most our problems ;) | 16:53 | |
| geguileo | diablo_rojo: afaik current SIGHUP will shutdown everything in Cinder afaik | 16:53 |
| bswartz | jungleboyj: maybe we inherited it? | 16:53 |
| e0ne | winston-d: :) | 16:53 |
| bswartz | or maybe I'm less informed than you >_< | 16:53 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: it's not in cinder yet:) | 16:53 |
| * jungleboyj is confused. I though the point of this work was to get SIGHUP working. | 16:53 | |
| e0ne | geguileo: yes, but we can implement graceful shutdown if it's not implemented yet | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: I doubt it. | 16:53 |
| geguileo | e0ne: we have graceful shutdown implemented there | 16:54 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: I remember we talked about this in some manila meetings, referencing cinder | 16:54 |
| geguileo | e0ne: but it still needs to shutdown, which may take a loooong time | 16:54 |
| e0ne | geguileo: it's another issue we should care about | 16:54 |
| geguileo | the long time? | 16:55 |
| eharney | so what's the core reason that we can't implement this? it's hard? | 16:55 |
| tbarron | winston-d: diablo_rojo I'm trying to understand what is different in the multi-node case than when one shuts down service on a single node, changes config, and brings it up while other nodes are running. | 16:56 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: That is my fear. | 16:56 |
| tbarron | winston-d: diablo_rojo are we contrasting this with: | 16:56 |
| tbarron | shut down service on all nodes, update config, start on all nodes? | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Yeah, I don't understand why that is more dangerous that what we currently do. | 16:56 |
| diablo_rojo | eharney, well yes, but from looking through the code, it looks like it should work already. Some people have said it works for them and others have said it does not. I personally haven't been able to figure out why that is. | 16:57 |
| tbarron | that last is probably safest, but ... | 16:57 |
| tbarron | just trying to understand the issue | 16:57 |
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| tbarron | and some config options would be safe, whereas some may have problems w/o synchronization across nodes I guess. | 16:58 |
| geguileo | If we are talking about using SIGHUP to make cinder restart itself and reload the new config options | 16:58 |
| geguileo | that's been working for a long time | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | Just shuts down for me. | 16:58 |
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| diablo_rojo | geguileo, right, that should work but some people say it doesn't? | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: I think that had to do with whether you were running Cinder in Devstack/screen vs. using systemd | 16:58 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: on which env? devstack? r:-?? | 16:59 |
| tbarron | devstack tests don't count :) | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: In devstack ? | 16:59 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: did you send SIGHUP to the parent process or to all of them? | 16:59 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, that was part of the confusion, but I thought some people also ran it with their own drivers too | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: I thought I tried on actual deployment, but can't remember for sure now. Parent process. | 16:59 |
| tbarron | for multinode unless you have a better multinode devstack than I've been able to do | 16:59 |
| e0ne | geguileo, smcginnis: SIGHUP doesn't work on devstack with screen | 17:00 |
| eharney | there was some difference in how services behave when running on a terminal (i.e. in screen) that i looked into a while back, so yeah, devstack tests may not behave like normal services | 17:00 |
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| jungleboyj | Anyway, we have run out of time. | 17:00 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I tried it while preparing for my Barcelona presentation and it worked for me back then | 17:00 |
| tbarron | screen is dead for devstck anyways | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | I think we need to finish this discussion. | 17:00 |
| geguileo | e0ne: devstack doesn't use devstack anymore, right? | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: OK, could be why I was having issues with this too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464028/ | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Times up. | 17:00 |
| bswartz | screen is dead, long live screen! | 17:00 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, yes, cause we have had this part of the discussion several times and made no progress :) | 17:00 |
| tbarron | but there's a good question about incompatability across nodes | 17:00 |
| e0ne | geguileo: yes, it switched to systemd by default | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | Can we get people to verify what they see working or not and we cna wrap up discussion next week? | 17:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes please | 17:01 |
| eharney | i think we need to do another round on the spec... | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Ok. We will go that way. | 17:01 |
| diablo_rojo | eharney, :P | 17:01 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: that's something I haven't explored but could be interesting | 17:01 |
| tbarron | across three apis running concurrently, or if an option affects the rpc between services | 17:01 |
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| jungleboyj | #action Cores to try using sighup this week and then we will decide what to do in next week's meeting. | 17:02 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, we need to free up the meeting room. | 17:02 |
| * tbarron watches jungleboyj SIGTERM this meeting | 17:02 | |
| winston-d | tbarron: got disconnected just now, will catch up with you in cinder | 17:02 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks for the good discussion! | 17:02 |
| bswartz | SIGKILL! | 17:02 |
| e0ne | see you next week! | 17:02 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 21 17:02:52 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-06-21-16.00.html | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-06-21-16.00.txt | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-06-21-16.00.log.html | 17:02 |
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| lhx_ | thanks :D | 17:03 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks everyone. | 17:03 |
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| jungleboyj | @! | 17:04 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 21 18:00:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:01 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:01 |
| jinli | Hi Bin | 18:01 |
| jinli | Hello all | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Jin | 18:02 |
| bh526r | How are you? | 18:02 |
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| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:02 |
| bh526r | I am multitasking, because I am taking another internal conference call now | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Hi Kamil | 18:02 |
| bh526r | So forgive me if I respond to you late, or not seem active from while to while | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #topic Status Update | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | Let's start with Kamil, because it is night for Kamil | 18:03 |
| krenczewski | Give me 15 more minutes, please | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | Sure. | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | Maybe Jin can give an update first? | 18:07 |
| jinli | sure | 18:07 |
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| jinli | I am continue working on reviewing and also some updating on Kamal's code for integrating keystone with gluon | 18:08 |
| bh526r | great | 18:08 |
| jinli | I am able to set up the system so that I can use keystone for authentication | 18:09 |
| bh526r | #info Jin continues working on reviewing and also some updating on Kamal's code for integrating keystone with gluon | 18:09 |
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| jinli | still not able to add port or view port which has to do with the policies | 18:09 |
| bh526r | #info Jin sets up the system and uses keystone for authentication | 18:09 |
| jinli | need to look deeper into that | 18:09 |
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| jinli | I have a patch that updates the instructions for setting up keystone | 18:10 |
| bh526r | #info The issue now is not able to add port or view port which has to do with the policies | 18:10 |
| jinli | #474812 | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #info Jin is looking deeper into that | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #info Jin also submitted a patch that updates the instructions for setting up keystone | 18:11 |
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| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474812/ | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #info It's been reviewed, and comments were received | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #info Jin will address those comments and provide new patchset as needed | 18:13 |
| jinli | i will respond to their comments and make updates if needed | 18:13 |
| bh526r | great, thank you Jin | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | Kamil? | 18:36 |
| krenczewski | Not much from me | 18:37 |
| bh526r | Ok, no problem. | 18:38 |
| krenczewski | Reviewed documentation and I need to update it | 18:38 |
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| bh526r | Thank you | 18:38 |
| krenczewski | but in my repository | 18:38 |
| bh526r | #info Kamil reviewed documentation, and will update it in his repo | 18:38 |
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| krenczewski | I'll start a review tomorrow | 18:38 |
| bh526r | anything else from anyone? | 18:38 |
| bh526r | great, and thank you Kamil | 18:39 |
| krenczewski | since Pauld didn't chech the procedure | 18:39 |
| bh526r | He is very busy. So he won't check the procedure in near future | 18:39 |
| krenczewski | Thanks for info | 18:39 |
| bh526r | if nothing else, we can adjourn the meeting | 18:40 |
| bh526r | #info Nothing else. Meeting adjourned | 18:41 |
| krenczewski | Bye | 18:41 |
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| bh526r | Bye all | 18:41 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 21 18:41:56 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-06-21-18.00.html | 18:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-06-21-18.00.txt | 18:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-06-21-18.00.log.html | 18:42 |
| jinli | bye | 18:42 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | anybody about for the all-singing, all-dancing storyboard meeting? | 18:59 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ will give it a couple of minutes | 18:59 | |
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| fungi | i'm around but willing to skip | 19:03 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | heh, I have no strong feelings either way so that would also work for me | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | and I think SotK is travelling so is probably not too attached either | 19:04 |
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| fungi | a significant chunk of the infra team is at a conference right now too | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | I am around | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | diablo_rojo: CONGRATULATIONS, YOU ARE THE LUCKY #OPENSTACK-MEETING VISITOR. you get to decide if you want a meeting I guess (I have nothing to report personally) | 19:06 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I was only gonna run it so people could come in and ask questions if they'd made a note to attend, but I think we've probably given it long enough for that | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | folk seem to be finding their way to #storyboard, which I'm happy about | 19:08 |
| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, ha ha if SotK is out and we have no questions I don't think we need a meeting | 19:08 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | my goodness, software developers who don't want meetings for the sake of meetings? | 19:08 |
| diablo_rojo | I've never been one to have useless meetings :) | 19:09 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #startmeeting wos_mentoring | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 21 20:00:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen_alt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: wos_mentoring)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'wos_mentoring' | 20:00 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi, who's here for women of openstack mentoring? | 20:00 |
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| ekhugen_alt | hm, anyone here for wos_mentoring? | 20:03 |
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| smcginnis | ekhugen_alt: When is the mentoring going to be? During the summit? | 20:04 |
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| * smcginnis isn't really here for the meeting, but was curious :) | 20:04 | |
| NicoleH | hi there! | 20:04 |
| ekhugen_alt | smcginnis we have the meeting to talk about the Speed Mentoring sessions during the summit and also the long term mentoring (which has been languishing a bit lately) | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi NicoleH | 20:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Kendall! | 20:05 |
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| NicoleH | hi smcginnis! | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | are aimeeu and amrith also hear for the meeting? | 20:05 |
| NicoleH | hi diablo_rojo! | 20:05 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 20:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello NicoleH and ekhugen_alt :) | 20:06 |
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| aimeeu | i'm swamped and in multi-meetings right now already. aack! | 20:06 |
| NicoleH | yikes, aimeeu! | 20:06 |
| ekhugen_alt | s /hear/here/ | 20:06 |
| ekhugen_alt | yeesh, good luck Aimee! | 20:07 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, well first topic any other wrapup from boston? | 20:08 |
| ekhugen_alt | pointer to feedback https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-speed-mentoring | 20:08 |
| ekhugen_alt | #topic Boston final wrapup | 20:08 |
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| NicoleH | thanks for the link to the feedback. | 20:08 |
| ekhugen_alt | yw | 20:08 |
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| NicoleH | i think the feedback from boston looks really solid, and can be applied to future summits! | 20:10 |
| diablo_rojo | NicoleH, +1 | 20:10 |
| ekhugen_alt | yep, I think so too! | 20:10 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, so speaking of future summits | 20:10 |
| ekhugen_alt | #topic sydney planning | 20:10 |
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| ekhugen_alt | there was some discussion about this in the last women of openstack meeting | 20:10 |
| ekhugen_alt | they talked about combining the speed mentoring and women of openstack lunch | 20:11 |
| ekhugen_alt | and asking if we could do it sans sponsors and just ask people to pick up a box lunch outside the room | 20:11 |
| ekhugen_alt | any thoughts on that? | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Is that going to be enough time to do everything? | 20:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Or would we be completely changing the schedule? | 20:12 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think they'd be completely changing the schedule, and maybe making it less speed mentoring and more speed networking | 20:13 |
| ekhugen_alt | I guess, diablo_rojo, do you know if we have sponsors for both the WOS lunch and speed mentoring at Sydney | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo | I think both events are int the prospectus | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Not sure about any takers yet, I will ask. | 20:13 |
| * smcginnis would be sad to see no one willing to sponsor these events | 20:14 | |
| NicoleH | i'd be interested in thoughts about combining the two. | 20:14 |
| NicoleH | i think there's enough meat in each to continue to make them 2 separate activities. | 20:14 |
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| smcginnis | NicoleH: +1 | 20:14 |
| NicoleH | i can see intel continuing to sponsor the speed mentoring session. | 20:15 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think the discussion too was centered around whether there would be enough mentors/mentees at Sydney | 20:16 |
| NicoleH | and i think we've started to make the wos luncheon meaty enough with a mini-panel discussion hosted during the lunch. | 20:16 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think someone mentioned the Sydney summit is going to be smaller, and if we only had half or less the participants, would that still be enough to call it a separate session? | 20:16 |
| ekhugen_alt | (not that we need to make a decision here, they were just some discussion points) | 20:17 |
| NicoleH | oh, i see -- so, different approaches based on US vs international summits? | 20:17 |
| diablo_rojo | If we dont do full on speed mentoring for Sydney we definitely need to in Vancouver | 20:17 |
| NicoleH | meaning -- for U.S. summits, they would remain separate, and for international summits, they may be combined? | 20:17 |
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| ekhugen_alt | right, particularly the Sydney summit, people were talking about that being much, much smaller (2500?) | 20:18 |
| ekhugen_alt | I have no idea if that's really true or not | 20:18 |
| NicoleH | i think our experience in barcelona was that, although the speed mentoring session was smaller, it allowed time/opportunity for more interaction. | 20:18 |
| diablo_rojo | There's a sponsor for the networking lunch- Intel | 20:18 |
| diablo_rojo | None for speed mentoring yet | 20:19 |
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| NicoleH | oh, interesting -- i'll check with our events team. | 20:19 |
| ekhugen_alt | +1 NicoleH on the Barcelona experience | 20:21 |
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| diablo_rojo | Smaller more personal experience was good | 20:23 |
| ekhugen_alt | anyway, any other thoughts on sydney or what we should/shouldn't do (I know Amrith and Swami volunteered to run the session there and I don't think they're on) | 20:23 |
| NicoleH | +1 diablo_rojo | 20:23 |
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| NicoleH | perhaps focus one of our future calls on sydney, when they're here? | 20:23 |
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| ekhugen_alt | yes, I think so | 20:24 |
| ekhugen_alt | any other topics? do we want to talk any more about long term mentoring? We haven't done a match in awhile, do we want to think about doing another push to get mentors and mentees? | 20:25 |
| ekhugen_alt | #topic open | 20:25 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think we should look at doing another round of longer term mentoring | 20:26 |
| NicoleH | +1 diablo_rojo | 20:27 |
| ekhugen_alt | would we want to use the same form?https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/mentor_mentee_signup_pre_barcelona | 20:27 |
| NicoleH | let me know how i can help / get more involved! | 20:27 |
| diablo_rojo | That or I can make a new one | 20:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Its pretty easy. | 20:27 |
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| ekhugen_alt | well I mean, do we like the questions on the existing form? | 20:28 |
| ekhugen_alt | we could cut out some of them like how often they like to meet, preferred working style, since we don't really match on those | 20:30 |
| diablo_rojo | It would be nice if we could make it shorter.. Maybe take out the communication style one- they can figure that out on their own. | 20:30 |
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| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, ha ha :) | 20:30 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I mean, I think part of our thoughts with some of those questions had been to try to weed people out who were just randomly filling out the form | 20:32 |
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| ekhugen_alt | and didn't really have time, but the increased checkins that we did with the last round of matches is probably a better way to weed those out, I think | 20:32 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think if we can, we should opt for a bi monthly check in? and then at 6 months we say they've graduated? | 20:35 |
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| diablo_rojo | Or do quarterly for a year? | 20:35 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think we were leaning 6 months | 20:35 |
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| ekhugen_alt | by bimonthly, did you mean twice a month or once every two months? | 20:36 |
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| NicoleH | quarterly seems like it would be a good interval. | 20:37 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so NicoleH you like the yearlong mentoring relationship better than 6 months? | 20:38 |
| NicoleH | ah, i see ... with the quarterly check-ins, it's a year-long mentoring time period. | 20:39 |
| NicoleH | and with a 6-mo mentoring time period, how often are the check-ins? | 20:39 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I think diablo_rojo was suggesting every other month? | 20:39 |
| NicoleH | ok, i see. | 20:39 |
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| NicoleH | it feels like, with a 6-mo time period, perhaps the check-ins should be once per month. | 20:40 |
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| NicoleH | to keep the relationships active. | 20:40 |
| diablo_rojo | Once per month would be ideal, but thats a big commitment for us ;) | 20:41 |
| diablo_rojo | Unless we rotate the job | 20:41 |
| NicoleH | i like the idea of rotations. | 20:41 |
| ekhugen_alt | it is a lot, we do have the shared gmail address, so we could rotate it | 20:41 |
| NicoleH | has that been tried before? | 20:41 |
| NicoleH | i mean, has the idea of rotations been tried before? | 20:42 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think that the thing we might run into is it's hard to keep things active every month | 20:42 |
| NicoleH | true. | 20:42 |
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| ekhugen_alt | like it hasn't seemed unusual that people would have conflicts for a month and need to postpone things | 20:43 |
| NicoleH | so, given a 6-mo time period, if we do check-ins every other month, then it would essentially be 2 check-ins & a final check-in before they're "graduated"? | 20:43 |
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| ekhugen_alt | well I guess maybe we should quantify check-ins | 20:44 |
| ekhugen_alt | previously check-ins had just been an email "let us know if things aren't going okay" | 20:44 |
| ekhugen_alt | (longer than that, but that's the basic idea) | 20:45 |
| NicoleH | ah, ok | 20:45 |
| ekhugen_alt | and then if we didn't get responses to the emails, we'd start putting people on warning, and then eventually unmatch them | 20:45 |
| NicoleH | i thought it was something more like a call. but i get it now. | 20:46 |
| ekhugen_alt | so a lot of the work was in the people who didn't respond, like making sure you followed up again in 2 weeks, 3 weeks, then unmatching | 20:46 |
| NicoleH | ok, i understand. | 20:46 |
| ekhugen_alt | but we could change the check-ins to be more of a support for the relationship | 20:46 |
| NicoleH | +1 emily | 20:47 |
| NicoleH | we could talk about what that might look like, and then pilot the approach? | 20:47 |
| ekhugen_alt | yes, maybe that's a good thing to think about for next week? | 20:48 |
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| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, +1 | 20:48 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I would say there's probably 2 sides to it: how can we structure the program so we have fewer no-shows and how we can restructure the checkins to help mentors/mentees more | 20:49 |
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| ekhugen_alt | any other topics for today? | 20:50 |
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| diablo_rojo | Things to ponder for next week :) | 20:51 |
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| NicoleH_ | +1 emily | 20:51 |
| NicoleH_ | great discussion for next week! | 20:52 |
| ekhugen_alt | cool | 20:52 |
| diablo_rojo | Good chat everyone :) | 20:52 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks everyone! have a good day and happy summer! | 20:52 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #endmeeting | 20:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 21 20:52:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-06-21-20.00.html | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-06-21-20.00.txt | 20:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-06-21-20.00.log.html | 20:52 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 21 21:00:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
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| mattoliverau | o/ (kinda) | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
| notmyname | big crowd ;-) | 21:01 |
| acoles | hello | 21:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | looks like a short agenda today, so let's get started so people can get breakfast/to bed | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | #topic boilerplate announcements | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "boilerplate announcements (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| notmyname | note the PTG and summit links on the agenda | 21:02 |
| notmyname | please encourage any ops you know to go to the PTG | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #topic deprecate known-bad EC config | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "deprecate known-bad EC config (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:03 | |
| notmyname | patch 468105 | 21:03 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468105/ - swift - Require that known-bad EC schemes be deprecated | 21:03 |
| notmyname | we've got 2 +2 on it | 21:03 |
| notmyname | we've emailed different ML | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | we've talked about it for a long time | 21:03 |
| notmyname | is there any reason to not +A it right now? | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | Nope, do it! | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | kota_: acoles: ok with you for me to +A it right now? | 21:04 |
| kota_ | ok | 21:05 |
| acoles | yes | 21:05 |
| notmyname | done | 21:05 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:05 |
| notmyname | timburke: thanks for pushing this one | 21:05 |
| notmyname | kota_: thanks for setting this whole thing off by finding the bug :-) | 21:05 |
| kota_ | :-) | 21:05 |
| notmyname | #topic previous meeting follow-ups | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting follow-ups (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:05 | |
| notmyname | not much here | 21:06 |
| timburke | all i did was write a patch :-) sorry for a bit of a fire drill at work clayg/acoles | 21:06 |
| notmyname | romain isn't here this week | 21:06 |
| notmyname | although I saw the email ovh sent about LOSF | 21:06 |
| notmyname | if you didn't read it, please do | 21:06 |
| acoles | timburke: lol | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | no progress on py3 work afaik | 21:06 |
| acoles | timburke: thanks for updating the patch with doc | 21:06 |
| notmyname | #topic priority patches | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priority patches (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:07 | |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:07 |
| notmyname | I updated that wiki page | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | there's 10 patches there, but I have a question about one or two of them | 21:07 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455488/ | 21:07 |
| patchbot | patch 455488 - python-swiftclient - Tolerate RFC-compliant ETags | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | has +2 from joeljwright1 and timburke, but timburke is also the author | 21:08 |
| joeljwright1 | reviewed that today | 21:08 |
| notmyname | so what needs to happen there? | 21:08 |
| notmyname | timburke: ? | 21:08 |
| joeljwright1 | it's a simple patch, but more eyes couldn't hurt… | 21:08 |
| timburke | merge it! there was some hesitance since i'm also the author | 21:08 |
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| joeljwright1 | (I'm the hesitant one) | 21:08 |
| joeljwright1 | I'll go merge it | 21:09 |
| notmyname | joeljwright1: ack | 21:09 |
| clayg | i clicked +A on the etag one - I had comments from last week - my bad | 21:09 |
| notmyname | ah! thanks clayg | 21:09 |
| joeljwright1 | dammit clayg beat me to it! | 21:09 |
| clayg | sort of - would have been better to do that last week! | 21:09 |
| joeljwright1 | :D | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | ok, any other patches to call out or that need discussion during this meeting? | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | The tpool one looks good now, with a fixed SAIO, you can easily test and use servers_per_port | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289664/ | 21:11 |
| patchbot | patch 289664 - swift - Make eventlet.tpool's thread count configurable in... | 21:11 |
| notmyname | that one? | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | Ta | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | Yup | 21:11 |
| timburke | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307937/ seems like a good idea... haven't actually demonstrated a socket leak, but fairly certain there is one | 21:12 |
| patchbot | patch 307937 - swift - Close all versioned_writes subrequests' app_iters | 21:12 |
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| mattoliverau | So someone go play. Also merged in clays thoughts and using auto config | 21:12 |
| notmyname | ah right. thanks timburke. I wanted to track the socket leak ones. didn't you have another? | 21:12 |
| timburke | Romain's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474767/ merged already | 21:13 |
| patchbot | patch 474767 - swift - Fix a socket leak in copy middleware (MERGED) | 21:13 |
| acoles | rledisez fixed one last week | 21:13 |
| acoles | timburke: beta me | 21:13 |
| acoles | beat* | 21:13 |
| notmyname | tim as a beta version of al? | 21:14 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 21:14 |
| timburke | oh, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471993/ ? i forget whether that actually full fixes the problem | 21:14 |
| patchbot | patch 471993 - swift - Send Connection:close headers when we haven't read... | 21:14 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:14 |
| joeljwright1 | It also seems like more people need to weigh in on whether we want to add & expose pre/postambles to the SLO API… https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365371 | 21:14 |
| patchbot | patch 365371 - swift - Add Preamble and Postamble to SLO and SegmentedIte... | 21:14 |
| notmyname | joeljwright1: ah, right. you and i talked in irc about it | 21:15 |
| timburke | i haven't played around with a bad client on it yet -- see if eventlet closes the connection even if the client tries to hold it open | 21:15 |
| clayg | @timburke I've been growing increasingly convinced sending connection: close to eventlet won't do the trick (because of the EC connection: close backend header leaking bug) | 21:15 |
| timburke | :-( | 21:15 |
| clayg | lp bug #1680731 | 21:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1680731 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "GET EC policy object includes connection:close header which causes external LB returns 502 bad gateway to client" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1680731 | 21:15 |
| clayg | also when I looked at the code in patch 471993 I remember being totally confused - but never tested if the pipelined request with 413 acctually broke | 21:16 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471993/ - swift - Send Connection:close headers when we haven't read... | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | so... more testing is warranted | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | joeljwright1: when did we talk about the TLO stuff? I want to find the link. what day was it? | 21:19 |
| notmyname | yesterday? or monday? | 21:19 |
| joeljwright1 | Monday | 21:19 |
| notmyname | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-swift/%23openstack-swift.2017-06-19.log.html#t2017-06-19T15:48:47 | 21:19 |
| timburke | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459023/ would be nice (particularly, i feel, if tdasilva is still working on that release) | 21:20 |
| patchbot | patch 459023 - liberasurecode - Consistently use zlib for crc32 | 21:20 |
| notmyname | ah yes. easy to search logs when not much has been said in them ;-) | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | joel's pre/post amble addition to SLO is for enabling tarfiles. and potentially other archive formats | 21:21 |
| notmyname | and while I've heard some bit of discussion about it, there's not a lot of record of that in gerrit | 21:21 |
| notmyname | see the above IRC log link for monday's conversation we had. gives a little more detail on the goals for after this patch | 21:21 |
| notmyname | but it's a change that, if we add, we'll have to support, so now's the time to speak up about it | 21:22 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:22 | |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone to bring up in today's meeting? | 21:22 |
| timburke | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465776/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449394/ are interesting things that kinda popped out of reviewing sharding and symlinks... wouldn't mind getting opinions on them | 21:23 |
| patchbot | patch 465776 - swift - Increase name-length limits for internal accounts | 21:23 |
| patchbot | patch 449394 - swift - WIP: Move listing formatting out to proxy middleware | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | I'm kinda busy (yes even tho unemployed) until Friday, but will try and have a look at em then | 21:25 |
| mattoliverau | The first one would be needed and awesome for Sharding name edgecases | 21:25 |
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| timburke | mattoliverau: i think the second one would be useful too -- we're splicing listing results across shards in the proxy, right? | 21:26 |
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| timburke | only having one format to deal with could be handy | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | Oh yeah, I like that idea too :) | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | Yup | 21:27 |
| notmyname | timburke: thanks for mentioning those | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | And so we always ask for json | 21:27 |
| notmyname | no need to sit around in here for another 30 minutes if theres not a pressing topic... last call? | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | this is easier in person when i can look at your faces :-) | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | thanks for the work you do on swift, and thanks for coming to the meeting | 21:28 |
| timburke | someone (zaitcev?) should go land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337297/ | 21:28 |
| patchbot | patch 337297 - swift - Add support to increase object ring partition power | 21:28 |
| tdasilva | hello! sorry i'm late | 21:29 |
| timburke | notmyname: see, this is why we can't end early :P | 21:29 |
| notmyname | well, exciting things happen in what was going to be the last 5 seconds of the meeting... | 21:29 |
| notmyname | seriously, i had #endmeeting already about to hit return | 21:29 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:29 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: anything to bring up this week? | 21:30 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: otherwise, I'm gonna call it :-) | 21:30 |
| tdasilva | no, sorry, i'm going to read up on what was said and am happy to follow up on the channel | 21:30 |
| notmyname | cool | 21:30 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 21 21:30:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:30 |
| notmyname | ta da! | 21:30 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 21:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-06-21-21.00.html | 21:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-06-21-21.00.txt | 21:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-06-21-21.00.log.html | 21:31 |
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