Thursday, 2017-06-29

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ekcstime for congress meeting ramineni_ thinrichs masahito00:01
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ekcshello all. as usual, topics are here: free to add & comment!00:02
ramineni_ekcs: hi00:02
ekcshi ramineni_00:02
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ekcshi masahito00:03
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ekcsramineni_: is there anything to talk about on action execution logging?00:05
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ekcsanything we can help with?00:06
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ramineni_ekcs: I couldn't spend much time on it ..I'll check it this week .. I did some initial quick test ..but I couldn't get that info at that place needed00:07
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ramineni_May be I haven't enabled trace properly00:08
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ramineni_I'll try out again this week and let you know00:09
ekcsramineni_: ok I’m just checking in to see if anything is needed. Not that it’s urgent for me or anything.00:09
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ekcslet’s talk about PTG then.00:09
ekcs#topic PTG00:09
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ekcsSo where we left off last time was considering whether to do physical or virtual meetup. We have some options to consider for virtual just to get a sense of how workable the time zones are.00:10
ekcsanother issue to consider is how reliable the connections would be with the meeting software.00:10
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ekcsthe notes are on the etherpad under last week’s meeting.
ekcsAny more thoughts?00:11
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masahitoFrom my experience, some video conference with people from different time zone work for scheduled meetings.00:13
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masahitolike weekly meetings.00:14
ekcsso maybe here’s where we should start: let’s see if we can find at least one time slot we are all okay with.00:15
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ramineni_Opt2 , will be good for me ..8-1000:16
ramineni_Office timings 😃00:16
ekcswhat about you masahito ?00:18
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ekcsalso does it seem reasonably possible to block off that time for up to five days in one week?00:18
masahitoI prefer opt1 or 200:19
ekcsmasahito: got it.00:19
ekcsok assuming opt2 for a moment, do you have a preference between traveling to colorado vs doing virtual?00:20
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ramineni_If everyone ok with travelling ..I can also make it I guess00:23
masahitoI expected we have PTG in Denver, so it's ok to travel to there.00:23
masahitofor me.00:23
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ekcsok just to be clear, if it’s up to you to choose would you prefer to travel or do virtual or same or not sure?00:24
ekcsor prefer not to say =)00:25
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ramineni_I feel physical meet-up would be more productive ..never done virtual meet-up though00:27
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ekcsramineni_: got it.00:29
masahitoIf everyone has no problem, like schedule, budget or delay of daily work, physical meet-up sounds better.00:29
masahitoit's more easy to discuss.00:30
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qiangcaofor those who cannot travel to denver, any way for us to somehow participate the discussion?00:31
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ekcsmasahito, okay got it. I think thinrichs likely won’t be able to make it physically, but more likely virtual. But we can always dial him in when he’s available.00:31
ekcshi qiangcao ! I think it depends on the particular project team.00:32
ekcssomeone would need to setup the conferencing.00:32
ekcsI’d like to do it for congress project, but the problem is, you don’t know how well the venue internet connection works until you get there.00:32
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masahitoand in my side, I would be there to join discussion about different project.00:33
ekcsmasahito: got it. would it conflict with congress PTG sessions? cuz that could be a reason for us to do it virtually at a slightly different week.00:34
ekcsqiangcao: I think it should be at least possible to get an audio connection going. but hard to be sure until we get there and see how well internet performs.00:35
masahitoit wouldn't conflict with congress PTG session.00:35
ekcsok well sounds like we should just do physical meetup then. let’s plan on that!00:35
qiangcaohi ekcs! I’m particularly interested in congress. I’m in Durham, NC.00:36
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ekcsqiangcao: great! we’ll definitely do our best to make it easy for people to join virtually. it’d be great to have you.00:37
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ekcsqiangcao: would you like to tell us a bit about yourself and your interests?00:37
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masahitoqiangcao: welcome!00:37
qiangcaoyeah, sure. I’m Qiang Cao. I’m based in the computer science dept at Duke University, as a postdoc researcher. I’ve been working on policies in the cloud for a good amount of time.00:38
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qiangcaoas i said, I’m particularly interested in congress.00:39
ekcsqiangcao: oh thats great. definitely interested to hear/read more about your research sometime.00:40
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ekcsqiangcao: look forward to more discussions in future about what you hope to do with congress.00:41
qiangcaoSure. I Just noticed the project recently and so now I’m trying to follow the project  progress.00:41
ekcsqiangcao: Great. definitely feel free to ping me on IRC or email ( if you have any questions. as well a stop by the meeting when you like.00:42
ekcsok let’s move on the policy library then haha.00:42
ekcs#topic policy library discussion00:43
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ekcsI think policy library is coming along okay. I’m almost done with the patch that allows activation of policy from library. just adding tests.00:43
ekcsstill more client and GUI to deal with after all the APIs are in.00:44
ramineni_ekcs: great :)00:44
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ekcsramineni_: would you like to discuss this issue about storing paths now? or just leave to gerrit later?00:45
ramineni_Are you planning to add tempest tests also00:45
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ramineni_ekcs: right ..I saw your comment on having unique constraint .. I'm thinking if we have better way00:46
ramineni_ekcs: but while loading policies you are checking f already in db or not .. so multiple instances won't load it right00:47
ramineni_Do you still need unique constraint00:47
ekcsramineni_: not sure yet how much tempest testing we want/need. But definetly as much as needed.00:47
ekcsramineni_: if we don’t use unique constrant, database will allow insertion of two identical rows each representing a policy.00:48
ekcsramineni_: and if we don’t lock the table, then even if we try checking, node 2 may insert just after node 1 checks existence and just before node 1 finishes inserting.00:49
ekcsand then we have duplicate.00:49
ramineni_I'm thinking imposing name should be unique would be good idea00:49
ramineni_Having policies with same name ifwe support it will be more confusing IMO00:50
ekcsthat’s how I had it originally. But I do like the use case thinrichs brought up. we could have one rule that says p(x):- security:secure_vm(x)00:51
ekcsand in the library there may be different versions of the “security” policy each offering a different definition of `secure_vm`00:51
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ekcsthat way, the policy that contains the rule p(x):- security:secure_vm(x) works generically regardless of which security policy one activates.00:53
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ekcsif the different versions of the `security` policy are named differently, then the rule p(x):- security:secure_vm(x) needs to be changed.00:53
ekcsof course, this is not an ESSENTIAL use case. so we may still decide it’s not worth the trouble of supporting it.00:54
ekcsmasahito: any thoughts?00:54
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ramineni_Ok ..I'll check on this usecase .. I need to leave now ..I'll comment on gerrit00:55
ekcsmaybe it’s best if we just use unqiue name for now and it’s always easy to relax the uniqueness restriction if we decide to.00:55
ramineni_Thanks ekcs00:55
ekcsok later ramineni_00:55
ekcsok anything else for the last few minutes?00:56
masahitoFor the first release, there's no problem for library rules to refer rules or policies that have same name.00:57
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ekcsmasahito: sorry I don’t totally understand.00:57
ekcsyou’re saying we should allow policies with the same name in policy library?00:57
ekcsor that we should NOT allow policies with the same name?00:58
masahitosorry, I didn't check the patch yet, so I could miss the problem you discuss above.00:59
ekcsok. well feel free to comment on gerrit. or talk further on #congress.00:59
ekcslet’s wrap up then.00:59
ekcsthanks everyone!00:59
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liusheng#startmeeting Mogan02:01
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liushenghi mogan folks02:01
liushengshaohe_feng, Xinran zhangyang wanghao litao__02:02
liushengok, because zhenguo is on a business in shenzhen02:02
liushengI will hold this meeting temporarily02:03
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liushengthanks you all, let's move on02:03
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liushengas always, the agenda:02:03
liusheng#topic announcements and reminder02:04
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liushengseems nothing need to be announced here, zhenguo, wanghao do you have anything here ?02:05
liushengjust reminder you guys about the summit presentation :D02:05
wanghaoHaven't decide what the topic we should commit,  but we still work on this.02:06
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liushengwanghao: ok, no hurry, the Summit call for presentations open until July 1402:07
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wanghaoyes, okay02:07
liushenglet's take a look the recently contribution02:08
liushenglooks better than before, thanks for wanghao and litao's review contribution02:09
wanghaoliusheng: haha thanks.02:09
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liushengwanghao: it is important if you guys want to be core reviewers, (just told you a secret :D)02:10
wanghaogot that :)02:10
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litao__liusheng: yes, come on02:11
liushengok, if nothing else need to be announced here, let't move on02:11
liusheng#topic task tracking.02:11
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shaohe_fengmorning liusheng02:12
* liusheng give folks a few minutes to review the tasks status02:12
shaohe_fengsorry for late.02:12
liushengshaohe_feng: o/ it is ok02:12
liushengshaohe_feng: thanks02:12
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liushengwe have two bp specs need to be review these days, one is wanghao's bm adoption feature02:14
* litao__ yes, we should do it in this week.02:15
wanghaostill some thing we need to make a deal, and then we can go to code for that.02:16
liushenglitao__: thanks, will review that today, shaohe_feng, zhenguo if you have time, please take a look for that02:16
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wanghaoI have updated the spec for liusheng and zhengguo's review02:16
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liushengwanghao: yes, thanks, it is this a real requirement of your products, right ?02:17
wanghaoliusheng: yes, it will be a good feature that we can support that to our coustemers.02:18
wanghaoliusheng: nova can't support this, you know02:18
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shaohe_fengwanghao: great, that's mogan beyond nova02:18
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wanghaoshaohe_feng: yes, totally agree02:19
litao__liusheng: so if mogan is steady enough, we will change nova to mogan02:19
liushengwanghao: ok, I just found you have given a -1 for my bms migration patch, hah. you can feel free to take over or abandon that patch, if there is conflicts with your idea02:19
liushengshaohe_feng, wanghao yes, sure02:20
wanghaoliusheng: baisclly it's ok for me,  just a little think.. haha02:20
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liushengliusheng: hah, we all hope that02:21
liushengwanghao: :D02:21
liushengok, another spec is about tracking resource with placement service02:21
wanghaoyeah, have reviewed it today,  I think it's good start.02:22
liushengactually, I have uploaded almost all the code of this feature :-P02:22
liushengwanghao: thanks02:22
wanghaoliusheng: okay, will check the code later.02:23
liushengwanghao: thanks02:23
* litao__ liusheng: I will give you a -1 later :D02:24
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liushengbtw, must to reminder, after we switched to user placement to track node resources, we have removed the listing node api and list availability zone api02:24
liushenglitao__: hah, welcome02:24
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wanghaoliusheng: you mean to use placement api directly?02:25
wanghaoliusheng: get resource providers?02:25
liushengwanghao: as discussed with zhenguo, we decided won't provide listing nodes api to end users02:25
liushengwanghao: we will don't store the node info in Mogan's db after switching to use placement service02:26
wanghaoliusheng: okay, I see,  nodes should be exposed to user by mogan02:26
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wanghaoliusheng: they just need to care about the servers.02:27
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liushengfor listing az api, currently, it depends on the nodes objects stored in Moga's db02:27
wanghaoemm , since we also remove the compute node objects02:27
liushengwanghao: yes, the only reason we expose the api I can find out is we need to support node aggregate02:27
liushengwanghao: yes02:28
liushengbut for list az api, I am not sure if we need to provide a alternative implementation02:29
liushengwe will leverage placement api to support nodes aggregate02:29
wanghaoliusheng: en,  so  do we need to support az?  I'm not clear with it yet.02:30
wanghaoliusheng: I mean if we have used nodes aggregate for placing server.  Do we need az more?02:30
liushengwanghao: not very sure, but we cannot support it in current way, since it depends on the node object stored in Mogan's db.02:30
liushengwanghao: but az is not similar with nodes aggregate02:31
litao__wanghao: I think we need,  node aggregate is admin only and AZ is not02:31
liushengwanghao: have talked with zhenguo, may we can also remport the az info of nodes to placement service02:32
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zhangyangliusheng: so we need the driver to provide az info?02:33
wanghaoliusheng: you mean like adding a trail to node?02:33
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liushengzhangyang: ironic nodes have the az attribute02:34
liushengzhangyang: that can be configured by operators02:34
wanghaolitao__: so we need to bind az and node aggregate.02:34
liushengwanghao: yes, placement support traits of nodes02:34
zhangyangliusheng: emmm...but other driver may not have this value 😂02:34
liushengtraits is like metadata of a node object in placement service02:35
wanghaozhangyang: maybe can be configured in driver config group as default az.02:35
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wanghaoliusheng: yes,  so we can use traits to set the az info02:35
liushengzhangyang: the az info can be None, and we have defaut az config  option02:36
zhangyangwanghao: haha, all in default az equals no az info.02:36
wanghaozhangyang: that's true....02:36
liushenghah, yes02:36
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wanghaozhangyang: or push the driver to support it. :)02:36
zhangyangwanghao: ok, i'll check it out.02:37
wanghaozhangyang: cool02:37
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litao__liusheng: for az, we can learn from nova02:38
liushengzhangyang: btw, we can also push node info from cloudboot to placement in futrue02:38
liushenglitao__: Nova have store the node info to itself db, but we don't02:39
zhangyangliusheng: yeah, but the info cloudboot collected is much different from ironic, need to check the difference of abilities between them.02:39
liushenglitao__: so someting maybe different, but we hope to provide similar functionality. hah02:39
litao__liusheng: yeah02:40
liushengzhangyang: actually, it don't need much info to be report to placement02:40
liushengzhangyang: btw, what's the status of cloudboot driver task ?02:41
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zhangyangliusheng: its almost done on the driver side, but not tested with cloudboot yet...02:42
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liushengzhangyang: cool, you can feel free to push your draft code to gerrit, maybe we can help to review it, even we cannot test it, hah02:44
zhangyangliusheng: haha, ok, it's very nice of you guys.02:44
wanghaozhangyang: that's we should do02:44
liushenghah, yes02:45
litao__zhangyang: I like review codes, hah02:45
zhangyanglitao__: cool02:45
* liusheng thumbs up for litao__ 02:46
liushengok, anyone have other task state updates here ?02:47
liushengzhenguo is not here, we got less words. hah02:48
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liusheng#topic open disscussion02:48
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litao__liusheng: BTW, pls review my two patches , hah02:49
liushengoh, just reminder you to update the task status in etherpad, it is covenient for wanghao help to send the task tracking email02:49
wanghaoyeah, just don't forget update the task status02:49
liushengliusheng: ok, please add me in reviewers list02:49
* litao__ liusheng:ok02:50
wanghaoand we need a etherpad to put the review list for review hour02:50
wanghaodo we have that?  if not, I create one:
liushengwanghao: oh, yes, forgot that02:50
liushengwanghao: thanks, cool02:51
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wanghaoyou can put the patch into it.02:51
liushengok, we can end this meeting if nothing else need to be disscussed here02:53
shaohe_fengwanghao: cool.02:54
shaohe_fengwe use this link.02:54
liushengpleas feel free to ping each other in mogan channel02:54
liushengshaohe_feng: yes02:54
liushengshaohe_feng: do you have anyting else to talk ? :D02:55
liushengok, thank you all, bye02:55
liushengend meeting02:55
shaohe_fengliusheng: no, just do more reviews. :)02:55
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liushengshaohe_feng: thanks, lol02:56
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ianychoieumel8, :)07:00
ianychoiHello - anyone for I18n meeting today?07:00
eumel8yes, sir!07:01
ianychoi#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting07:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.07:01
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ianychoieumel8, thank you for coming :)07:01
ianychoieumel8, how was OpenStack Days in Germany?07:01
eumel8I know, not so often possible to join the meeting07:01
eumel8dunno, I wasn't there07:01
eumel8we had an internal conference the week before and this was pretty good07:02
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ianychoiAha I see. I think Foundation emphasized translated user survey in German07:02
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ianychoi#topic translation checksite07:03
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eumel8some people like this stuff #link
ianychoieumel8, sorry for not following too much for translation checksite. I am actually too busy with my primary business.07:04
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eumel8I can imagine07:04
ianychoieumel8, great! :)07:04
eumel8but we make a good progress07:04
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eumel8some smaller bugs are fixed and maybe we are finally in the situation to install the site on openstrack-infra07:05
ianychoiI see07:05
ianychoiHope that translation checksite with OpenStackAnsible will be available for StringFreeze period in this Pike cycle07:06
eumel8I asked Andy if it's this possible. Then I want to test infra installation on my site07:06
eumel8depends on infra team but we are on a good way07:07
ianychoiI see :)07:07
ianychoi#topic i18n-guide translation support07:07
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eumel8our 2-years-milestone :)07:07
GenekHi ianychoi, sorry for being late07:08
ianychoiGenek, oh hello!07:08
ianychoieumel8, yep :)07:08
ianychoiGenek, how was your final exam? Finished?07:08
GenekI found that the production survey site still have strings that are not translated07:08
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GenekGreat, I think I can pass them07:09
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eumel8Hi Genek07:09
GenekHowever, I remember I've already translated those strings07:09
GenekHi eumel8 :)07:09
ianychoiGenek, please make 100% and do review for and tell me or share via i18n mailing list07:09
eumel8ianychoi: you know the sync cycle?07:10
ianychoiGenek, eumel8 you both have not met before during Boston Summit?07:10
ianychoieumel8, yep manual sync cycle :)07:10
Genekianychoi, I'm pretty sure it's 100% now07:10
eumel8I think not07:11
ianychoiGenek, ok then I will make a pull request :) Would it be fine to you?07:11
GenekMaybe I should contact Jimmy to sync it again07:11
GenekYeah, thanks a lot ianychoi07:11
ianychoiGenek, or you can make a pull request if you want to contribute through GitHub :)07:11
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Genekianychoi, can I have the link to the repo?07:12
ianychoiGenek, sure is a good example of making a pull request07:12
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ianychoiGenek, just downloading a po file from Zanata and make a pull request using the downloaded po file07:13
ianychoiinto your language folder07:13
Genekianychoi, How to you actually pull down the po files from Zanata?07:13
GenekFound it07:13
ianychoiGenek, :)07:14
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ianychoiAnd i would like to tell that translation support is fine with except final publishing translated documents07:15
GenekWow nice effort07:16
GenekI'll translate it during summer vacation :)07:16
eumel8very good07:17
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ianychoiGenek, eumel8: thanks a lot amotoki is helping a lot for publishing translated pages for i18n guide07:17
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-amotoki- just noticed the meeting :)07:18
ianychoiamotoki, fine :) I think you are also busy but plz see later with my comment in
amotokithe publish job is now working, but we got console.html log in the job result.07:18
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amotokiianychoi: I haven't checked it yet.07:19
ianychoiamotoki, fine - also would be somewhat related I think.07:19
amotokibut the problem seems just a job result link07:20
amotokii confirmed the draft document is published as expected.07:20
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amotokithough we need to prepare a link manually :(07:21
ianychoiMy current understanding is that upload-docs-draft job execution would be needed07:21
ianychoiI think so - the job should be executed07:21
amotokibut i see an uploaded draft doc on the draft docs server.07:22
ianychoiamotoki, would you share the link where I can find such generated translated documents?07:23
ianychoi(Sharing later is also fine)07:23
amotokiianychoi: wait for a moment. will post the link to the review.07:23
ianychoiamotoki, thanks!07:23
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ianychoi#topic open discussions07:23
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eumel8some plans for Sydney?07:24
amotokiadded a link to the review
ianychoiAlthough jpich is not online, I received an e-mail from her that she would like organize a meeting 14:00 UTC next Thursday (after I18n IRC meeting) for tripleo-ui and I18n07:24
ianychoiI think attending to such meeting is also helpful for I18n members07:25
eumel8please send invitation to mailing-list07:25
ianychoieumel8, I received an e-mail from Foundation that I18n team can participate in "Project Update" sessions07:25
ianychoieumel8, yep I will more discuss with jpich :)07:25
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eumel8great, what that mean? We have project updates?07:26
ianychoiThis is a good example07:26
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GenekIt's a talk about how's the project going I think07:27
GenekAttended some of them in Boston07:27
eumel8Saw something on youtube, yeah07:27
amotokiit is a good idea to have it07:27
amotokisome project update sessions were short like 20mins, so I don't think we need to cover full time :)07:27
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ianychoiamotoki, eumel8 would you attend to Sydney Summit as a presenter for I18n project update?07:30
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jpichianychoi: Sorry I was late, I see in the logs that you mentioned me. The presentation I mentioned is aimed at the TripleO developers primarily, in a presentation slot we have every few weeks. Everyone is welcome to attend though! :) So I'll forward the meeting invite to the i18n list as well (I haven't sent it to the dev list yet either)07:31
jpichIt'd be great to have translators present as well, if people have questions on the process or how to make things easier from the translator's perspective :)07:31
ianychoijpich, sorry for not replying your e-mail yet and thanks a lot for detail explanation on that!07:31
eumel8ianychoi: it's not sure if I'm really there.07:31
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jpichianychoi: No problems, I only sent it yesterday :)07:32
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ianychoieumel8, neither do I but at least you have the best knowledge on translate checksite implementation07:32
ianychoijpich, :)07:32
amotokiare we talking about two things?07:32
eumel8only if we really met the milestone07:33
amotokisydney session and next thursday one with triple-o07:33
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ianychoiamotoki, now is open discussion :) Any topic would be fine and right07:33
jpichamotoki: Probably, my bad! I don't have anything more to say on my topic, I'll send an email about it today or tomorrow :)07:33
amotokihehe. no worries07:34
amotokiperhaps I can be there at Sydney unless the situation changes a lot.07:34
ianychoiamotoki, great!07:34
amotokiif so I can help the project update session07:35
GenekI'll probably be at Sydney, too07:35
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ianychoiIn my opinion, partcipating I18n team to project update session would be so great because it would be our 1st project update during Summit and second it will be recorded and more translators will see with the video :)07:35
ianychoiGenek, great!07:35
ianychoiGenek, you have also good knowledge with user survey translation :)07:36
ianychoiAnd.. yep I have actually many things in my to-do list for I18n (e.g., PTL activity documentation)07:37
amotokire: the user survey, we Japanese team wonder who translate answers written in local languages.07:38
ianychoiamotoki, I will share it to you07:38
Genekianychoi, I can help with the Traditional Chinese answers07:38
ianychoiThe numbers are the stat - word count. amotoki FYI07:39
ianychoiamotoki, oh sorry07:39
ianychoiI thought your asking was who participated the Japanese translation07:39
Genekianychoi, I think amotoki is asking about who's going to translate the answers07:39
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amotokiGenek: yes07:40
ianychoiamotoki, it depends on how many strings for answers but my last communication with Foundation was: if the volume is small, then translating from I18n team would be appreciated / If the volume is too high, then Foundation will find translation company07:40
ianychoiGenek, amotoki: Is the answer for your question?07:41
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amotokiianychoi: yes07:41
ianychoiThanks :)07:41
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ianychoiIf there are no more questions, I would like to close the meeting today07:42
ianychoi(I need to move to another place unfortunately)07:42
Genekianychoi, Thanks a lot :)07:42
ianychoiGenek, me too! Thanks a lot for translating user survey into Traditional Chinese very quickly and hard :)07:43
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jpichThanks, ianychoi!07:43
amotokire translated i18n guide publishing, i confirmed korean version was generated as expected07:44
ianychoiamotoki, great! I have also seen the logs and let's find how we can link the document in Jenkins :)07:45
ianychoieumel8, amotoki, Genek, jpich : Thanks a lot for today meeting!07:45
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eumel8thx also07:45
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gmann#startmeeting qa08:00
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gmannhi, who all here today?08:00
chandankumargmann: \o/08:00
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gmann^^ today agenda08:01
gmann#topic Previous Meeting Action review08:01
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gmanngmann to check with samP about HA testing spec08:02
gmannwe discussed this in last meeting only08:02
gmanngmann to discuss plugin clients in tempest with team and get consensus08:02
gmannthis one i did not check yet08:02
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gmannanyone knows which patch moving keystone plugin service client to tempest ?08:03
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gmannwe can take that example to decide the strategy on this08:03
masayukiggmann: nope08:03
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gmannok let me find later08:04
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gmanni am continuing on this AI08:04
gmann#action gmann to discuss plugin clients in tempest with team and get consensus08:04
chandankumargmann: no idea but last night they have remove tempest plugin code from keystone project completely08:04
gmann#topic PTG08:04
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gmannchandankumar, removed?08:04
gmannchandankumar, it is separate repo -
chandankumargmann: as tempest plugin moves to anew repo
gmannwhich is nice08:05
gmannon PTG08:06
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gmannneed to check with andreaf if any action item he has to do, room booking etc but we have time for that08:06
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gmannbut all can plan their travel in advance and there is discount for hotel also (~149USD)08:07
gmannanything else to discuss or query on PTG08:07
masayukigis there any travel support for PTG?08:08
gmannmasayukig, yes08:08
gmannmasayukig, #link
masayukiggmann: thanks, cool. I'm actually not sure I'll get the budget, yet.08:08
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gmannmasayukig, you should fill soon08:09
gmanni think last date is july 2nd for first round08:09
afazekasWhere can I see more info about travel support ?08:09
gmannbudget things is for everyone seems08:09
gmannafazekas, here - #link
masayukiggmann: oh, wow, I didn't know that..08:09
gmannafazekas, masayukig there is form to fill for requesting travel suppoprt08:10
masayukig"July 2, 2017: Final deadline to submit applications for Round One approvals"08:10
gmannafazekas, are you planning to come so that i can finally meet you face to face :)08:10
masayukiggmann: thanks, I need to do, probably.08:10
gmannyea please08:11
gmann#topic Gate Stability - status update08:11
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afazekasgmann, I am planning, I try to not miss the deadlines ..08:11
gmannafazekas, nice.08:12
gmanngate seems stable #link
gmannthere was issue on newton job which andreaf fixed and merged08:12
gmannother was for shelve tests where tests expect image to be deleted immediately after unshelve08:13
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gmannwhich failed on ceph but tests expectation was not right and written anywhere, so fixing that in
zhuflyeah I've left comment on it, it's a good solution08:15
gmannzhufl, not sure about yoour comment,08:15
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gmannanyways let';s discuss after meeting08:15
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gmannany other issue/things to discuss on gate stability ?08:15
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gmannok, let's move next08:16
gmann#topic Specs Reviews08:17
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gmanni did not get time to review spec08:17
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gmannmay be next week i put some in my review queue08:18
gmannplease review and provide feedback08:18
gmannif anyone want to bring or discuss any spec, go ahead08:19
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gmannlet's move if nothing08:20
gmann#topic Tempest08:20
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gmann2 mailing thread on tempest last week08:20
gmannthis was not generic issue, it is some tests failing on ceph08:21
gmannthis time unshelve tests which i mentioned earlier and its tests issue and fix is up08:22
gmannbut from that mail it seems ceph job still not happy with many tests08:22
gmannin previous discussion we agreed on having ceph job skipping the tests which fail on ceph because either feature is not implemented or unstable08:23
gmannwhich is in progress #link
gmannbut not yet merged08:24
gmannbut now ceph job is all n-v everywhere08:24
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gmann2nd mail was tempest plugin scope from chandankumar #link
gmannhope it is clear now about what goes in plugin and what in tempest08:25
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chandankumargmann: yes, Thanks for the input :-)08:26
gmanni want to ask, do we have well document about Tempest scope (what all tests tempest should have and what all project side etc) ?08:26
gmannor we just assume that as we all know the scope in our mind08:26
gmanni remember i added the clear scope for microversion tests08:27
masayukiggmann: probably, we should have that document.08:27
masayukiggmann: but, I'm actually not sure that the DefCore test must be in Temepst repo.08:27
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gmannmasayukig, ok, a very simple doc is needed which is always difficult08:28
chandankumargmann: i think we need a doc difference between tests in tempest and tempest plugin for core projects08:28
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masayukigchandankumar: ++08:28
chandankumargmann: this time there was a defcore thread also regarding tempest tests recently.08:28
gmannmasayukig, as per TC decision it should be in tempest but as defcore cover more projects as interop that is still undecided08:29
gmannchandankumar, +1 that will be nice08:29
chandankumari will take AI on mine08:29
gmannchandankumar, great, about to ask you :)08:29
chandankumar#action chandankumar to add a doc stating difference between tests in tempest and tempest plugin for core projects08:30
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gmannchandankumar, thanks08:30
masayukiggmann: my understanding is "in tempest" doesn't equal to "in tempest tree".08:30
gmannmasayukig, for defcore?08:30
masayukiggmann: yeah, let me find the ml thread...08:31
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gmannmasayukig, it is not yet decided08:31
gmannmasayukig, problem will be same either it is tempest tree or another plugin08:31
gmannmain thing is we need to solve the man power issue to own more and more projects tests under Tempest team08:32
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gmannmasayukig, this one ^^08:33
masayukiggmann: yeah08:33
gmannanyways that is future things08:34
gmannnext is : Bug Triage & Integrated gate issue categorization:08:34
masayukiggmann: yeah, fyi, you may know,
gmannmasayukig, yea08:34
chandankumargmann: just one update from tripleo ping test thread, we will be merging these some pieces of two scenario tests into new scenario test in tempest which will implement boot an instance from volume then attach flotaing ip ssh/ping ot it an ddestroy it08:35
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chandankumar and
gmannchandankumar, ok, we do not have any tests doing that?08:35
masayukigchandankumar: it seems like one.08:36
ltosky[m]before we move away from the tempest topic: is it time to tag a new tempest, so that projects (plugins) can depend on it?08:36
chandankumargmann: nope, based on my investigation, we need a test for the same08:36
gmannltosky[m], need to check how much we have since 16.0.008:36
ltosky[m]for example there is a deprecation warning about test.attr moved to tempest.lib08:36
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gmannchandankumar, that can be extended in existing one or you are thinking new one?08:37
gmannltosky[m], i see, attr and related_bug  are not yet tagged08:37
chandankumargmann: thinking of a new one,08:37
chandankumargmann: let me get the patch up and we can take it from thetre08:37
masayukigchandankumar: ++08:38
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gmannchandankumar, only "attach flotaing ip ssh/ping" will be extra what we are already doing in volume pattern tests08:38
ltosky[m]yep, patches for attr (seen one in the mistral plugin) can't be merged without a new tag08:38
gmannchandankumar, yea that will be fine08:38
chandankumargmann: yes08:38
gmannltosky[m], i know i think i have also one for mistral08:39
gmannltosky[m], ll check with andreaf if there is enough things for new tag08:39
gmann#action gmann to check with andreaf about new tag08:39
gmannlet's discuss bug08:40
gmannblancos, turn this week08:40
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blancosI wasn't able to triage the one new bug as it came in a little later yesterday08:41
gmannblancos, is this report up to date? ^^08:41
gmannblancos, ok08:41
blancosThere are a few incomplete bugs, but they're currently counting down to expire (except the one to remove Glance v1 tests) since no one is currently working on them08:41
prateekwe didnt have meeting last week, so bug triage for last week is also yet to be discussed08:41
gmannblancos, ok08:41
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gmannblancos, glance v1 tests yes we need to wait more may be but need to check ML thread before that08:42
gmannprateek, oh, please update if you have any key finding08:42
prateekgmann, a cinder ceph issue
openstackLaunchpad bug 1687533 in tempest "Regression issue of adding force delete backup support" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Fei Long Wang (flwang)08:43
prateekmaybe this is the reason the ceph team was talking about failing tempest tests08:44
gmannprateek, that is already reverted08:44
gmannmail thread also - #link
prateekok, do we have any decorator for skipping a specific test for a particular backend like ceph ?08:45
gmannwhat is issue on this?08:45
gmannprateek, not actually and honestly we do not want to do that08:45
prateekgmann, ok08:46
prateekthat was all i wanted to ask with reference to this bug08:46
gmannprateek, if you read that mailing thread we should mainly concentrate on mandatory features and if any backend does not implement those then their CI can skip those08:46
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gmannprateek, ok, thanks for bug triage08:46
gmannblancos, thanks for this week triage08:47
gmannwe have 62 in-progress which is doubtable actually :) we should keep cleaning those08:47
gmannmkopec turn next week08:48
blancosgmann I noticed some of them are attached to patches that haven't been updated in >6 months08:48
martinkopecgmann, ack08:48
gmannmartinkopec, thanks, you changed your irc name  :)08:48
martinkopecgmann, sorry, I always forgot that I have a different nic on freenode08:49
gmannblancos, yea, not sure what we should do on those, some are really good fix but no progress08:49
gmannmay be we can unassign such bug so that people can take up even old patches08:49
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gmannmartinkopec, no issue08:49
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gmannchandankumar, seems like you volunteered for
chandankumargmann: i didnot worked on this week08:50
gmannanything else on tempest (10 min left)08:50
gmannchandankumar, your turn is next week08:50
chandankumargmann: i will working on gates this week will catch sdague and mtreinish08:50
chandankumarfor learning on how to do that.08:50
gmann#topic Patrole08:50
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gmannblancos, your turn08:51
gmannchandankumar, sure, thanks08:51
blancosgmann Nothing new to report08:51
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gmannchandankumar, andreaf mentioned in mail about expectation on those08:51
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chandankumarwill take a look gmann08:51
gmannblancos, i reviewed the nova spec for gating patrole on nova #link
gmanni am +1. ll ask matt to check this08:52
blancosI saw, thank you :)08:52
gmanni forgot to bring this in yesterday nova api meeting, ll add for next week08:52
gmann#topic Critical Reviews08:53
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gmannany critical reviews to bring on priority08:53
chandankumargmann: need +w08:53
chandankumarand followed up
chandankumari need this for speeding up tempest plugin sanity gate08:54
masayukig I'd like to know your opinions.08:54
gmannchandankumar, ok ll check. did not follow up those though08:54
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gmannmasayukig, ll add my comment after meeting08:55
masayukiggmann: thanks :)08:55
gmannmasayukig, not sure we need to keep release named dire as well release note name also08:55
gmannprateek, sure,08:55
masayukiggmann: yeah, but I feel the directory is just a mess..08:55
prateekgmann, thanks08:55
gmann#topic Documentation08:56
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gmannanything specific to discuss on documentation. one we already covered about scope of tests in tempest and plugin08:56
gmann#topic Open Discussion08:57
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gmann3 min left08:57
gmannanything more to discuss related to anything08:57
masayukigrelated to documentation:
masayukigWe should change the doc directory.08:59
gmannmasayukig, yea that is global work going on08:59
* asettle waves08:59
asettleIf you have any questions about docs08:59
asettleLemme know :)08:59
gmannasettle, sure, thanks for that08:59
gmannthanks all for joining09:00
gmannit time to close09:00
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chandankumarthanks gmann for chairing the meeting :-)09:00
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mriedem#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 29 14:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
* bauzas emerges from his cave14:00
bauzastoo much sunlight, doh14:01
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mriedemalright i'd like to go to bed so let's get started14:01
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mriedem#link agenda
mriedem#topic release news14:01
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mriedem#link Pike release schedule:
mriedem#info July 27 is feature freeze (4 weeks away)14:02
mriedem#info Blueprints: 65 targeted (-6 from last week), 62 approved, 25 (+3 from last week) completed14:02
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mriedemso we're making some slow progress on getting some blueprints done14:02
mriedemi dropped the targeted list due to things that were blocked, not started, or just weren't going to happen in pike at this point14:02
mriedemwe still have a lot to do though14:03
mriedemneed to focus on the placement series as top priority right now probably since that's the biggest thing with the most amount of change left14:03
mriedemanything about the release?14:04
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mriedem#topic bugs14:04
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mriedemthere are no critical bugs14:04
mriedem#help Need help with bug triage; there are 107 (+23 from last week) new untriaged bugs as of today (June 29).14:04
mriedemso the untriaged new bugs number jumped up,14:04
mriedemi think that's from sdague-bot14:04
mriedemgate status - i have no idea14:05
mriedemassume it's fine since patches are merging14:05
mriedem3rd party CI - again i have no idea14:05
mriedemanyone want to mention something about bugs?14:05
mriedem#topic reminders14:05
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mriedem#link Pike Review Priorities etherpad:
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mriedemtop priority right now has to be
mriedemand the things in that series14:06
mriedemanyone disagree?14:06
mriedemedleafe: i know you've been reviewing that too - would be cool if you could take another pass that the latest revision today14:07
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edleafeas usual, I have to update the etherpad14:07
edleafetab is perpetually open14:07
mriedem#topic stable branch status14:07
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mriedem#link stable/ocata:,n,z14:07
bauzasFWIW, I'm reviewing now14:07
mriedem#link stable/newton:,n,z14:07
mriedemthere is no news for stable right now14:08
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mriedem#topic subteam highlights14:08
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mriedemdansmith: cells v2 stuff this week?14:08
dansmithnope we skipped again14:08
dansmithsummary would be that the quotas set is important14:08
dansmithas it's holding up everything,14:08
mriedemi see you and melwitt have been going through
dansmithbut we've been doing a bunch of reviews on those things and it's moving14:09
mriedemok hopefully that's close14:09
mriedemalright edleafe - scheduler14:09
edleafeDiscussed the choice to use flavor.extra_specs instead of custom Flavor attributes for specifying custom resource classes. The main reason, as stated in the spec, is that it would further tie us to flavors, making the eventual cleanup of flavors more difficult.14:09
edleafeOtherwise it was just a recap of the outstanding reviews.14:10
mriedemedleafe: re: ?14:10
edleafemriedem: heh, pushing as I type14:11
mriedemok, was just a confusing sentence for me to parse, as ^ is using extra specs14:11
edleafemriedem: that was the source of alex_xu's concern14:12
alex_xuyea, new feature in the API without microversion14:12
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mriedemok, we don't have to get into it now - i also read over that spec again today and there are some other things yet to do, like migrating some ironic data on nova-compute startup14:12
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edleafealex_xu: the API hasn't changed14:12
mriedemalex_xu: that's kind of how extra specs have always been14:13
mriedemand image metadata14:13
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mriedembut yeah i don't consider this the api14:13
edleafealex_xu: that's one of the big problems with extra_specs14:13
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alex_xuyea, I thought we will never add new thing to the extra spec14:13
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mriedemi don't remember saying we wouldn't add new things to extra specs14:13
dansmithwell, I think we want to avoid new complex data structures in there14:14
dansmithwhich we've discussedmany times14:14
dansmithhowever, the flavor overrides *have* to be there,14:14
dansmithand they're simple primitive types14:14
mriedemcomplex data structures like pci passthrough, right?14:14
bauzaswhat's the main concern with extra specs except the fact they're not fully consistent across clouds ?14:14
dansmithor tristate things, or json blobs, etc14:15
dansmithwe should move on and not discuss this in the meeting14:15
alex_xuI'm stuck at the case there is no way to the API user to discover whether the current deployment support the resource_class in the extra spec or not14:15
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bauzasalex_xu: that's something we ack'd14:15
edleafeyeah, we need to let mriedem go to bed14:15
mriedemok, should probably move it to the mailing list14:15
alex_xuok :)14:15
mriedemthere are lots of things that aren't discoverable for the user today14:16
mriedemok, moving on14:16
edleafeand this is strictly operators14:16
mriedemalex_xu: did you want to cover anything from the api meeting?14:16
alex_xuwe have short meeting14:16
alex_xuwe found the network related quotas aren't deprecated from the quota-class API yet14:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1701211 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "The network related quotas aren't deprecated in quota-class API" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ghanshyam Mann (ghanshyammann)14:17
alex_xugmann take the task14:17
mriedemoh come on14:17
mriedemthis is what, the 3rd microversion trying to deprecate resources hidden in quota extensions now?14:17
mriedem4th actually14:18
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mriedemcan we roll this into the same microversion currently being worked on for server groups/members?14:18
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alex_xuyes, that patch doesn't merge yet14:18
mriedemok, let's do them in the same microversion then14:18
mriedemgmann: ^14:18
alex_xuok, got it14:18
mriedemgibi: notifications?14:19
gibiNo meeting this week as I was alone.14:19
gibiThe BDM patch of additional-notification-fields-for-searchlight bp needs some agreement between sfinucan and mriedem about the config option. #link
gibiPlenty of notification transformation commits are ready for the cores to take a quick look #link
gibiThere is an api.fault notification bug where the way forward is not clear. #link
openstackLaunchpad bug 1699115 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "api.fault notification is never emitted" [Medium,Confirmed]14:19
gibiI posted details and questions about the bug to the ML: #link
gibiThe rest of the status is in my weekly mail: #link
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gibithat is all14:19
mriedemok the 2 keypair ones are approved14:20
gibimriedem: just saw that thanks14:20
mriedemi'll likely have to check the bdm one later14:20
gibimriedem: OK14:20
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mriedemok nova/cinder meeting,14:20
mriedemhappens in a few hours, and i won't be there14:20
mriedemstatus is basically we need reviews on the 3 main changes14:20
mriedem#help needs reviews:
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mriedemthat's for swap volume, live migration and then the final one for using the new cinder api for volume attach14:21
mriedemand then it's all rainbows and unicorns14:21
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mriedem#topic stuck reviews14:21
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mriedemthere was nothing in the agenda, does anyone have anything to mention here?14:21
mriedemi guess the bdm notifications one14:22
mriedemanything else?14:22
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mriedem#link open discussion14:22
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openstackRemoving item from minutes: #link open14:22
mriedem#topic open discussion14:22
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mriedemnothing on the agenda,14:22
mriedemdoes anyone have something to bring up here?14:22
dansmithI do14:23
dansmithI think we should have a long drawn out discussion14:23
dansmithsomething really juicy that takes like an hour14:23
mriedem37 minutes is ok14:23
efriedWe could talk about trailing parentheses14:23
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mriedemhow about gibi's bdm thing?14:23
dansmithefried: that's not controversial14:23
mriedemgibi: can you summarize the bdm thing quick?14:24
gibimriedem: sure14:24
gibiso we are adding BDM to instance.action notification14:24
gibibut most of the cases BDM needs an extra db query to get14:24
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gibiso the original agreement in the bp was to introduce a config option14:24
mriedemright, and instance.update for any state change14:24
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gibiso when the config option is set we do the extra query14:25
gibiif not set then we return null for BDM in th payload14:25
gibisfinucan commented on the review that this breaks the rule, do not make the API parts configurable14:25
mriedemsure, i can see that,14:26
mriedemthe end user doesn't consume notifications directly14:26
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mriedemthey might indirectly via searchlight in horizon14:26
dansmiththis isn't the api, this is notifications right?14:26
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sfinucanSo notifications aren't bound by the interop guidelines?14:27
gibiI don't know14:27
dansmithnotifications are very internal to the deployment14:27
dansmithvery operator-specific in their use14:27
dansmithso choosing to dump some information to save some db traffic seems appropriate to me14:28
mriedemcertain things downstream internally consume notifications, like telemetry, mistral, searchlight14:28
mriedemthe end user doesn't see the results of those things except maybe via searchlight usage in horizon14:28
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sfinucanAh, then I've no problem taking this route. I wasn't aware of the distinction14:28
mriedembut i don't think horizon is exposing bdms when listing instances anyway14:28
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mriedemthe alternative to making it configurable is determining the small subset of notifications that we will pass bdms which only make sense for volume-related actions, like attach/detach volume, swap volume, etc - but that list is hard to define14:29
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gibimriedem: yeah that is an alternative14:29
mriedeme.g. migration notifications could also take those, and rebuild, etc14:29
mriedemso let's just do the config thing14:29
sfinucantbh, I'm fine with configuration options14:30
gibiOK, cool14:30
mriedemok, good. problem solved. :)14:30
sfinucanYAGNI, etc.14:30
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mriedemnow 30 minutes left14:30
mriedemi think we're done14:30
mriedemthanks everyone14:30
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asettle#startmeeting docteam16:00
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asettleAnyone around? :)16:00
ianychoiasettle, hi!16:01
asettleianychoi: you woke up ridiculously early again :P16:01
ianychoiasettle, haha it's 1am here - I am awake late now :)16:01
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asettleianychoi: ah! that's not tooooo bad16:02
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ianychoiasettle, :) Actually amotoki is the same :)16:02
asettleI know, amotoki is alos crazy16:02
amotokiit is a bit easier to join early morning meetings :)16:02
rluethiour japanese friends are true heroes.16:03
AJaegerasettle: lovely kind of crazy ;)16:03
asettlerluethi: true that16:03
ianychoiHaha..... :)16:03
amotoki* easier than ....16:03
asettleOkay, I'll give till 5 past the hour, as always16:03
asettleFor those that would like to take a look16:03
asettleThe meeting agenda16:03
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asettleVery short. I'll be focusing on previous action items, coming release, and then if anyone wants to talk about the migration, I'll leave this meeting chan open for the full hour16:04
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asettleOkay, let's start16:05
asettle#topic Action items from the last meeting16:05
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asettleWhich, was like, meeting AGES ago!16:05
asettleACTION: asettle to chat to rluethi about training-labs and guides future16:05
asettleDone! Tick that box16:05
asettleI don't know if we *really* came to a conclusion, I think we'll have to chat some more about what the labs are doing16:06
* rluethi nods16:06
asettledhellmann had some ideas regarding collaboration with the deployment teams16:06
asettleThis is something we should probably discuss further16:06
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rluethiI have not heard anything regarding this.16:06
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asettleI know dhellmann is in another meeting right now, so, when he's back rluethi we should find some time to chat16:06
rluethiHaven't I?16:06
asettlerluethi: no, I haven't brought it to you just yet :) was a passing conversation I had with Doug. But we would like to discuss the team's future with you :)16:07
asettleIt was a passing though16:07
rluethiAlso, I have not heard back from marketing(?) re: web access stats.16:07
asettlerluethi: to be honest, neither. I'll chase them up for it :) thanks for reminding me16:07
asettle#action asettle to chase up foundation for web access stats16:08
asettleOkay, next action16:08
asettleACTION: asettle and ianychoi to discuss planning changes with translation activities16:08
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asettleianychoi: we briefly spoke, and translation is greatly affected by the docs stuff. We're keeping tabs of impacts here:16:08
ianychoiasettle, yep :)16:09
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asettleACTION: asettle to write spec for build changes16:09
asettleWhich, I hope you have ALL seen by now16:09
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asettleOkay, continuing on swiftly16:10
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asettleThe big topic of the day is...16:10
asettle#topic Doc migration16:10
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asettleSo, for all doc-ers here that are helping out, save this in your tabs!16:10
asettleThe spec was passed last week thanks to dhellmann16:10
asettleFor those that haven't read the spec (uh, please do)16:11
asettleTHe project teams are currently in the process of moving out their project-relevant documentation into their specific repo16:11
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asettleWith guidance from out team16:11
asettleSo, anyway - I'm opening up this floor for people to come in with questions, concerns, etc16:11
asettleWe've had a lot of people coming to us over the last few weeks16:12
asettledhellmann: is keeping track of the migration here16:13
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* AJaeger thanks dhellmann for tremendous work on this!16:14
asettleThank you AJaeger :)16:15
annegentlehear, hear! dhellmann for president!16:15
annegentlewait. :)16:15
asettledhellmann: has done an amazing job of getting us all started when half of us simply just don't have the time16:15
asettleannegentle: nah man I'm all for it continue :p16:15
annegentlefor sure16:15
ianychoi+1 So great work, dhellmann !16:16
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annegentleso do we prioritize the sitemap.xml work higher than other work based on trying to get our search hits improved?16:21
annegentleor is it all high priority already?16:21
asettleannegentle: I admittedly thought it was all high priority already, but I could be wrong.16:22
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annegentleasettle it is... haven't heard a need to strictly prioritize other than the sitemap.xml coming up on the mailing list today16:22
* annegentle admires the burndown chart. That is a thing of beauty16:23
asettleYeah, the burndown chart is hella impressive16:23
asettleannegentle: the way I understand it, prio 1 is sitemap, then it'll be a domino effect of falling cards once we merge that first patch from dhellmann16:23
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AJaegerwhat exactly do you want to do with the sitemap?16:26
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annegentleAJaeger apparently it'll help with our problem of search hits bringing up old release content first16:27
annegentleAJaeger rather than updated docs16:27
asettleWhich - I agree, is a priority. We've been having this issue for ages, and if we can help solve it sooner rather than later, I'm all for it.16:28
annegentleAJaeger I think the current sitemap planning looks like an improvement16:28
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AJaegerannegentle: I still don't know what actually to do.16:31
AJaegerWe need to regenerate the sitemap *after* dhellmann's reorg changes land. Since the complete docs.o.o page will look totally different.16:31
AJaegerIf we need to change logic, we can do that anytime.16:32
asettleThat's true too16:32
annegentleAJaeger does the generation automation take into account active/inactive projects?16:33
AJaegerIMHO we need to help getting the site ready, regenerate sitemap.xml so that it points to all the new and changed content - and then work on improving it. Besides regenerating it, I have not seen anything actionable yet.16:33
annegentleAJaeger that's all I was thinking could be additional16:33
AJaegerannegentle: it takes into accounts 404s. So, if we add those 404s as redirects to .htaccess, the sitemap will not find the pages.16:34
AJaegerWe already remove retired projects from all our index pages, so nothing should point to them.16:34
annegentleAJaeger ok16:34
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AJaegerBut somebody needs to double check. retirement is not happening often - but we have no scripts to check.16:35
annegentleAJaeger yeah it was the scripting I was curious about16:35
AJaegerWith dhellmann's changes to put all projects into yaml files, we can easily script and check that it does not contain retired projects16:35
annegentleAJaeger that's great and what I was hoping!16:35
AJaeger(dhellmann's yaml files are used to generate the index pages we have)16:36
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annegentleAJaeger should i capture that thought anywhere?16:36
AJaegerSo, IMHO: Merge dhellmann's changes, write a script on top of his stack to cross check that we only list official products listed in governance - and that way we do not need to check for retirement since retirement means removal from governance docu16:36
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AJaegerannegentle: yes, on the future problems etherpad16:37
annegentleAJaeger will do16:37
AJaegerthanks, annegentle !16:37
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* AJaeger needs to leave now and waves good bye16:41
asettleAdios AJaeger o/\16:41
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rluethibye, AJaeger !16:41
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annegentleoh goodie, I have the cSS fix that should fix the dropdown list for releases! Yippee16:44
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asettleannegentle: \o/16:44
ianychoi(I also need to leave now - see u all!)16:44
asettleI'll keep my eyes open!16:44
asettleCya ianychoi :)16:44
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annegentleasettle one thing to think about is writing a policy for when to set up your to have releases... I can take that on16:49
asettleThat'd be really helpful! Thank you annegentle :)16:49
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asettleI assume based on crickets everyone understands the migration perfectly ;)16:51
asettleTerrific :D16:51
asettleAny objections to shutting down a few minutes early? I gotta catch a train if possible :)16:51
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rluethisilence is compliance?16:52
asettlerluethi: you got it pal ;)16:52
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asettleIf anyone gets stuck or does have more concerns, you know where to find me or dhellmann16:53
asettlerluethi: let's chat some more in the future about things :) i'll shoot an email your way this week!16:53
asettleThanks to annegentle for being bug triage liaison for this fortnight16:53
asettleI'll send a reminder email to Maria to keep up the duty!16:53
annegentleit wasn't bad at all!16:53
asettleannegentle: anything to report? :)16:53
annegentlenot really!16:53
asettleNeat, that's what I like to hear :)16:54
annegentleBasically asking for more info on a few16:54
annegentlethat's about it16:54
asettleSweet. Well, I think the bug triage liaison role is working for us16:54
annegentleoh yeah16:54
asettleSweet, well, on that note :)16:55
asettleAdios homies! Thanks all for stopping by :)16:55
asettleHopefully we'll continue to be succcessful!16:55
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ianw#startmeeting diskimage-builder20:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 29 20:01:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ianw. Information about MeetBot at
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andreas-fHello Ianw.20:01
ianw#topic Annoucements20:02
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ianwI wanted to put in the record our testing situation20:02
ianwlast week we had the "perfect storm" ... debian stable released over the weekend, ubuntu broke it's sha hash for images, and we had infra instability due to DNS issues20:03
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ianwafter a bunch of work we're in a much better position20:04
andreas-fWhat changed?20:04
ianwthe voting func-tests are now all using infra mirrors to build, meaning we should not be rechecking due to odd mirror failures20:04
ianwi have moved the image-based tests, that are downloading from various places, into a new, non-voting job20:05
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ianwi've started to look at mirroring the required images.  there is some infrastructure for doing this for devstack.  it's non-trivial to get dib in there, just because of the way it's all written.  it's not high priority for me20:05
andreas-fSo we are now in a stable environment?20:06
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andreas-fWhat is done to prevent wrong sha1?20:07
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ianwi've seen some suse changes out there to use mirrors, and from now on, we won't do voting jobs unless they're coming from a suitable local mirror20:07
andreas-fOr even buggy dnf (as we also saw last week)?20:07
andreas-fIs there some check running for / on these local mirrors?20:08
ianwyes, thousands of jobs a day :)20:08
ianwanyway, i've also started a stretch mirror in infra (still need to finalise rerepro setup) so we can get debian going again20:10
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ianw#topic Testing on Trusty20:10
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ianwI'm not sure if we need to keep testing on trusty20:11
ianwmaybe after queens release we can stop20:11
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ianwwe have python2 host testing on centos, and python3 on xenial.  infra has moved to xenial based builders20:11
andreas-fI see also no reason to keep it.20:12
ianwunless there are old branches using it somehow.  i'll investigate20:13
ianw#action ianw to investigate if any old branch jobs use dib on trusty20:13
ianw#topic Voting ppc jobs20:14
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ianwrfolco asked in channel about making the 3rd party ci for these voting20:15
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ianwi don't have any problem with that, it seems to be going well20:16
andreas-fThe CI jobs under IBM PowerKVM CI?20:16
ianwtonyb tells me that -minimal jobs will work soon too20:16
ianwyes PowerKVM20:16
rfolcoianw, right. we're willing to vote, after we fix our instability :)20:16
andreas-fTwo of them (currently) always fail.20:17
ianwrfolco: heh, well we know a lot about that :)20:17
andreas-fDo we have enough knowledge and resources for supporting this?20:18
ianwrfolco: ok so we just adjourn on that for now?20:18
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mmedvedeianw: well, trusty and xenial do not fail, so if voting is added it would help to keep them green20:19
rfolcoianw, ok. Please note: the voting jobs are green: xenial, the non-voting centos and fedora being worked.20:19
mmedvedecetnos/fedora on PowerKVM CI are marked non-voting anyway20:19
ianwahh, yes.  sorry trained to look for "-nv" now :)20:20
rfolcoso as soon as we are added to voting group, these jobs will vote.20:20
rfolconot sure how to do that, I believe only infra cores?20:21
ianwandreas-f: in reality it's still best-effort, as the vote won't block the gate.  but i think it's a reasonable level of signal20:21
andreas-fFine from my side.20:22
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rfolcowe commit to monitor and be careful with reporting/voting jobs20:23
ianw#agreed powerkvm voting20:25
rfolcothanks ianw andreas-f20:25
ianwnow ... to the practicalities; we don't have a -ci group i don't think?20:25
ianwwhy can't it just vote?20:25
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clarkbverified is by default restricted to the jenkins and zuul users. so ya just need to update the acl20:27
mmedvedeI think by default third-party CIs have no voting rights20:27
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mmedvedeyes, there is no diskimage-builder-ci group setup yet20:28
ianwok, let me look at that offline20:28
ianw#action ianw setup 3rd part ci group20:28
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openstackRemoving item from minutes: #action ianw setup 3rd part ci group20:29
ianw#action ianw setup 3rd party ci group20:29
ianw#topic Review review20:29
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ianwthat removes the centos/rhel elements, and has some description of the small tangle we've left ourselves with centos720:30
ianwi think i'd like to put that in a next release20:31
andreas-fI just started to review this before. Looks good to me.20:31
openstackLaunchpad bug 1699437 in diskimage-builder "muti mount points don't mount in right order" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Ian Wienand (iwienand)20:31
ianwandreas-f: ^ this could maybe do with a comment from you20:31
ianwto me, it look like this was always setup backwards and i'm not sure how it ever worked20:32
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andreas-fI had a look in - but did really not understand what happens here.20:32
ianwis a test-case20:32
andreas-fthere *are* tests.20:32
ianwof the mount ordering?20:33
andreas-fYes - at least once upon a time I wrote one.20:34
andreas-fCan you reproduce the bug?20:34
andreas-fThe pure order should not influence the behavior.20:35
ianwi haven't gone back to old releases to try.20:36
ianwandreas-f: ? the order comes from the sequential ordering in the "partitions:" list?20:37
andreas-fAhhhh. Missed this special case.20:37
andreas-fSo for me it looks that the ordering itself is find.20:38
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andreas-fDo you know if there is somewhere a 'reverse()' while save / load?20:39
andreas-f(IMHO this is not tested.=20:39
ianwwe test the output ordering of
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andreas-fYes - I'm just thinking about possible reasons:20:42
andreas-fwe have test cases that check the order20:42
andreas-ftherefore this should be ok20:42
andreas-fWhat I don't know if we have a test case using BlockDeviceState?20:43
ianwwell, we are checking the value put into the state dictionary ->
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ianwanyway, i'll try to determine a root cause as i get time, but i think it works if just flipped around20:46
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ianw476340 could be templated out a bit more, more tests welcome20:47
ianwseems straight foward, use DIB_PYTHON in cleanup path20:48
ianwi'll merge that20:49
ianwi'll review the outstanding suse stuff today, that hasn't been around for too long20:49
andreas-fThat would be good - I have not that much experience with suse.20:50
ianwthat was from discussions with jamielennox from the work he's doing20:50
andreas-fIs this (still) in use?20:51
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andreas-fIMHO when using the new block device layer the sized are given / fixed?20:51
andreas-fOr maybe I'm mixing things here....20:52
andreas-fNo: I think this whole size computation is needless.20:52
andreas-f(Except for debugging)20:53
ianwwell it ends up passed to image_create(size) ...20:54
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andreas-fWhich works only if you have one image.20:55
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andreas-fBut if you have different partitions on different images this does not work.20:56
ianwwell i don't think we're going to solve this right now.  i will sync with jamielennox on this today as we're in the same tz and update20:56
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ianwwow, time just flies ... if anyone else wants to stick a link of something in to look at please do now20:57
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ianwalright, well i think that's time for now.  thanks and see you on gerrit :)21:00
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kevinbenton#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 29 22:01:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at
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kevinbentonhi everyone22:01
kevinbenton#topic open discussion22:01
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kevinbentonI think we are short a couple of drivers members this week22:01
kevinbentonso I will defer our normal review of RFEs to next week22:02
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kevinbentondoes anyone have anything they would like to discuss?22:02
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amotokiquestions on some stadium inclusion patches like CLI or API reference.22:03
kevinbentonamotoki: go ahead22:03
amotokido we suggest them to propose a patch to update project aasessment to neutron-specs?22:03
amotokiwe only see vpnaas so far.22:04
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kevinbentonamotoki: yeah, i think that's the easiest method to review22:04
kevinbentonbecause we can easily comment on each item22:04
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amotokii am not sure there are other projects to join in this cycle22:05
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mlavalleI saw a patchset for tap as a service yesterday by reedip22:05
amotokimlavalle: which repo?22:05
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amotokii found it. neutron-spec one22:06
mlavalleseems they have a lot of work to do22:07
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kevinbentonyeah, i suspect vpnaas is going to be the only one this cycle22:08
mlavalledo they have their assesment up in gerrit yet?22:08
amotokithey sometimes update it22:08
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kevinbentoni need to review the latest state22:09
kevinbentonamotoki: are you aware of any issues with their latest assessment?22:09
amotokikevinbenton: i haven't checked the latest status. need to check22:10
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amotokiIIRC they added their ongoing work recently but i haven't checked them22:10
kevinbentonamotoki: ack22:11
kevinbentonmlavalle: add that patch to your review queue :)22:11
mlavalleI just did :-)22:11
kevinbentonok, anything else?22:12
mlavallenot from me22:13
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amotokime either22:13
mlavallekevinbenton: enjoy the holiday. I found out yesterday that Monday 3rd is a site holiday for IBM Austin. So I have a long weekend:-)22:14
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kevinbentonok, talk to everyone same time next week!22:14
amotokienjoy holildays22:14
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