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| joehuang | hello | 01:00 |
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| Yipei | hi | 01:00 |
| dongfeng | hi | 01:00 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 28 01:00:39 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:00 |
| xuzhuang | hi | 01:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:00 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 01:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:00 | |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 01:01 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 01:01 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 01:01 |
| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 01:01 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 01:01 |
| xuzhuang | #info xuzhuang | 01:01 |
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| joehuang | #topic feature implementation review | 01:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "feature implementation review (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:02 | |
| joehuang | hello, as the pike-3 is approaching | 01:02 |
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| RonghUI | hello | 01:02 |
| fredli__ | good morning | 01:02 |
| joehuang | let's review the feature wants to land in pike | 01:02 |
| Yipei | for lbaas, already finish lbaas in one region successfully | 01:03 |
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| joehuang | great message, yipei | 01:03 |
| Yipei | plan to configure it again to make sure it is reproducible | 01:03 |
| joehuang | you mean the LBaaS can work with tricircle now | 01:03 |
| Yipei | yes, in one region, it works well | 01:03 |
| joehuang | and one central neutron, one local neutron | 01:04 |
| Yipei | i will update spec and prepare for a guide | 01:04 |
| Yipei | yes | 01:04 |
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| joehuang | great progress, look forward for landing the spec and code update | 01:04 |
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| joehuang | #info LBaaS work in one region scenario where Tricircle is installed | 01:05 |
| xuzhuang | for async job paginate_query, in first time I use union in query, but can show status of jobs, so now I plan to use dongfeng's paginate_query in core.py | 01:05 |
| Yipei | OK, got it. i will continue with lbaas across multi region in the meantime | 01:05 |
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| joehuang | thanks | 01:05 |
| yinxiulin | sfc'create and delete can land in pike-3 | 01:05 |
| joehuang | to xuzhuang, great | 01:06 |
| joehuang | to xiulin, welcome the feature | 01:06 |
| yinxiulin | thanks | 01:06 |
| xuzhuang | sorry, using union in query can't show status of jobs, so I plan to use paginate_query now | 01:06 |
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| joehuang | to yipei, have you registered BP for LBaaS | 01:07 |
| Yipei | yes | 01:07 |
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| zhiyuan | the job-log table doesn't have "status" field, since all jobs in that table are considered successful | 01:07 |
| xuzhuang | to zhiyuan,yes so in order to show status of job table, I giving up using union in query | 01:08 |
| zhiyuan | i see | 01:09 |
| dongfeng | for routing pagination, I think it can be landed in pike3, the replacement of "cross OpenStack L2 network" can be completed in pike3 too | 01:09 |
| joehuang | good, will review patches ASAP, but I have to leave tomorrow/Friday, will review next Monday | 01:10 |
| joehuang | to ronghui, how about qos series patches? | 01:11 |
| dongfeng | ok, thx~ | 01:11 |
| joehuang | is xiongqiu online? | 01:12 |
| RonghUI | will update ASAP | 01:12 |
| RonghUI | Seemingly absent | 01:12 |
| joehuang | ok | 01:13 |
| zhiyuan | I have posted the newest comment. Two main concerns: (1) try to use driver instead of plugin (2) try not to bring ML2 extension manager to central plugin | 01:13 |
| zhiyuan | for the qos patches | 01:13 |
| RonghUI | ok | 01:14 |
| joehuang | yes, qos is high priority feature, hope that it can be merged in pike-3 | 01:14 |
| joehuang | it has been postponed two milestones | 01:15 |
| RonghUI | we will try best to finish | 01:16 |
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| fredli__ | RonghUI: please, it is quite important and urgent | 01:17 |
| RonghUI | got it | 01:17 |
| joehuang | after pike-3, it'll be difficult to land big feature, we need to test the code, and make sure the quality is good | 01:17 |
| joehuang | so if you miss the pike-3, the feature has to be postponed to next release | 01:18 |
| zhiyuan | udpate not enought frequent, part3 is submitted on Jun 25, failed in all the tests, however, not updated yet | 01:18 |
| joehuang | fine, I am sure ronghui can deal with it | 01:19 |
| joehuang | :) | 01:19 |
| joehuang | #topic Community wide goals, PTG and Sydney summit topics | 01:20 |
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| joehuang | hello, there are more and more people are trying to use tricircle | 01:20 |
| joehuang | If you find any topic in the mail-list related to tricircle | 01:21 |
| joehuang | we can reply and help new committter | 01:22 |
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| Yipei | ok, got it | 01:23 |
| joehuang | he/she may seek for help or propose new feature / scenario or implementation discussion | 01:23 |
| joehuang | if more and more people get on board, it'll make tricircle better and better | 01:23 |
| zhiyuan | yes! | 01:24 |
| dongfeng | yes | 01:24 |
| joehuang | if you receive someone send you message in private, you can ask him whether to discuss the topic in mail-list publicly | 01:24 |
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| joehuang | if someone send you message in private, you can ask him whether to discuss the topic in mail-list publicly | 01:25 |
| RonghUI | ok | 01:26 |
| joehuang | there are lots of enhancement we can do to make it easy for new committer to get on board | 01:26 |
| dongfeng | it's fine | 01:26 |
| xuzhuang | got it | 01:27 |
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| joehuang | for community wide goals in pike | 01:27 |
| joehuang | there are two goals, one is python3 support | 01:28 |
| joehuang | the other one is Control Plane API endpoints deployment via WSGI | 01:29 |
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| joehuang | we have finished these two goals, need to submit a patch | 01:30 |
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| joehuang | it should be submitted by PTL, so I'll submit the patch | 01:31 |
| joehuang | one more thing | 01:31 |
| zhiyuan | a patch to declare we have done that? | 01:31 |
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| joehuang | yes, you have to submit a patch to update this page https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/pike/deploy-api-in-wsgi.html | 01:31 |
| joehuang | and https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/pike/python35.html | 01:32 |
| zhiyuan | i see | 01:32 |
| joehuang | during opnfv demo preparation, it's important to import external network to central Neutron if there is already ext-network in local neutron | 01:33 |
| joehuang | it's especially useful if Tricricle will be running in VM or container inside some cloud | 01:33 |
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| joehuang | who can help to provide such an import function? | 01:34 |
| Yipei | i want to have a try | 01:34 |
| zhiyuan | does this need a spec, to talk about the solution? | 01:35 |
| joehuang | by command like like python db-sync, or admin api, spec is prefered | 01:35 |
| joehuang | it could be short, but good for discussion | 01:36 |
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| joehuang | code is not complex, how to support such management purpose function is an interesting area | 01:37 |
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| joehuang | thank you Yipei | 01:38 |
| Yipei | lbaas in one region do not need much code, only one guide, so i would like to try | 01:38 |
| joehuang | your contribution and guide for LBaaS is very important | 01:38 |
| joehuang | in real production, LBaaS is a must sometimes | 01:39 |
| joehuang | for PTG and summit, what's your idea and proposal? | 01:39 |
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| zhiyuan | since most of the developers are in China, we can hold PTG in China, if needed, or just discuss online | 01:42 |
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| joehuang | we may have several time slots for the discussion | 01:43 |
| joehuang | one guy from orange is also working on tricircle | 01:43 |
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| joehuang | currently he is trying to deploy tricircle | 01:44 |
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| joehuang | and some other contributors also express the interest in contribution during OPNFV summit | 01:45 |
| joehuang | so friendly time slot is very important for them to get involved, except mail-list | 01:46 |
| zhiyuan | is our weekly meeting time convenient for them? | 01:47 |
| joehuang | I am not sure yet, if more and more contributors from different time zone, we may rotate the weekly meeting | 01:48 |
| joehuang | so that everyone can work with comfort time slot | 01:48 |
| joehuang | Do you have topics for Sydney summit? | 01:49 |
| joehuang | You can submit presentation or forum session in Sydney summit | 01:50 |
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| zhiyuan | If nova cellV2 is finished in Pike, we can show a demo about the integration between tricircle and cellv2 | 01:51 |
| joehuang | it's not urgent, we can continue discuss in next weekly meeting :) | 01:51 |
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| joehuang | to Zhiyuan, good idea | 01:53 |
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| joehuang | also talk with Dan Smith whether to have a session about cells V2 and tricircle | 01:53 |
| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 01:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:54 | |
| joehuang | other topic? | 01:54 |
| zhiyuan | no from me | 01:54 |
| dongfeng | no for me | 01:54 |
| RonghUI | no for me | 01:54 |
| Yipei | no from me | 01:54 |
| xuzhuang | no for me | 01:54 |
| joehuang | ok, thank you for attending the weekly meeting | 01:55 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 01:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 01:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 28 01:55:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-06-28-01.00.html | 01:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-06-28-01.00.txt | 01:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-06-28-01.00.log.html | 01:55 |
| joehuang | thank you, bye | 01:55 |
| dongfeng | bye | 01:55 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 01:56 |
| xuzhuang | bye | 01:56 |
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| qiangcao | Hi Everyone, this is Qiang Cao. I’ve been working on policies in the cloud for a while. I’m interested in Congress and related stuff. | 03:48 |
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| gongysh_ | #startmeeting tacker | 04:29 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 28 04:29:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:29 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:29 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 04:29 |
| Liuqing | \o | 04:29 |
| gongysh_ | #topic roll call | 04:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:30 | |
| YanXing_an | hello | 04:30 |
| gongysh_ | hi, everyone | 04:30 |
| YanXing_an | Liuqing, hello | 04:30 |
| tbh_ | Hi all | 04:30 |
| gongysh_ | YanXing_an, you have a busy last week, right? | 04:30 |
| Liuqing | YanXing_an ,hi | 04:30 |
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| YanXing_an | gongysh, yes, finally fix the CI case, it's a looong work | 04:31 |
| tung_doan | o/ | 04:31 |
| sridhar_ram | o/ | 04:32 |
| gongysh_ | YanXing_an, yes, it works at last. thanks the CI gate which help us to improve the codes. | 04:32 |
| gongysh_ | sridhar_ram, hi, how's the week? | 04:33 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh_: going on .. | 04:33 |
| gongysh_ | sridhar_ram, it never stops the beat! | 04:33 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: long time no see :) | 04:34 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh_: help as much possible w/ the reviews under the circumstances | 04:34 |
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| sridhar_ram | *helping | 04:34 |
| sridhar_ram | unfortunately that the current state of affairs in my end :( | 04:34 |
| gongysh_ | #topic bp | 04:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bp (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:35 | |
| gongysh_ | tung_doan, hi | 04:35 |
| gongysh_ | Add auto-healing function for VNFFG | 04:35 |
| gongysh_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434974/ | 04:35 |
| gongysh_ | I think we should have time for this. | 04:36 |
| tung_doan | gongysh_: hi.. I am trying to wrap my bp | 04:36 |
| gongysh_ | my concern is the API way for vnfm to nfvo | 04:36 |
| tung_doan | gongysh_: I think it just needs some minor changes now | 04:36 |
| gongysh_ | sridhar_ram, do you have any comments for the callback method. | 04:36 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh_: I prefer using API for this | 04:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: gongysh_: yes, that will break the modularity and the layering | 04:37 |
| gongysh_ | tung_doan is using http API, my commented way is to use MESSAGE rpc. | 04:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | in fact, we should avoid any VNFM -> NFVO call .. both http and rpc | 04:38 |
| sridhar_ram | can | 04:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | can't NFVO listen for events from VNFM and readjust FFG if needed ? | 04:39 |
| tung_doan | gongysh_: sridhar_ram: We also need a generic method for Network Services (NSs). Therefore, I think API is a suitable choice | 04:39 |
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| sridhar_ram | we need to clearly understand the ownership of resources first .. VNF resources are "owned" by VNFM. FFG is "owned" by NFVO | 04:40 |
| trinaths | o/ | 04:40 |
| gongysh_ | sridhar_ram, even with events: (in fact, RPC or HTTP API is a kind of event) we can not isoloate VNFM and NFVO. | 04:40 |
| gongysh_ | sridhar_ram, right | 04:40 |
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| sridhar_ram | VNFM shouldn't know a VNF is participating in a FFG .. | 04:41 |
| sridhar_ram | all it needs to give are .. low level neutron ports IDs for NFVO to stitch a FFG | 04:41 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: alsolutely. | 04:41 |
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| trinaths | sridhar_ram: +1 | 04:42 |
| sridhar_ram | .. if that low level ports change .. NFVO needs to be notified so that it can reapply a FFG using newer low level ports | 04:42 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: you got the point. That's why we inform vnffgs (NSs), which VNFs belong to | 04:42 |
| sridhar_ram | VNFM shd just emit events out and NFVO shd react | 04:42 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: then, can we make this generic .. can VNFM emit "VNF" respawned or altered or scaled event out .. | 04:43 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: +2 | 04:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: NFVO can subscribe to these events and react appropriately | 04:43 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: that's totally something I want to do :) | 04:43 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: but there shd be no REST API or RPC calls from VNFM towards NFVO API | 04:43 |
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| gongysh_ | what is the event method? | 04:44 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: gongysh_: how can we emit events? | 04:44 |
| sridhar_ram | we don't have the async event publish method implemented yet | 04:45 |
| gongysh_ | sridhar_ram, enssentially, the RPC call, or HTTP API is a kind of event emit and acceptance. RPC call can be RPC cast, which is asynchronous. | 04:45 |
| tung_doan | gongysh_: sridhar_ram: My code locally implemented with API. It looks reasonable | 04:46 |
| sridhar_ram | we had planned a follow on to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/audit-support which will send the events out ... | 04:46 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh_: what direction is the HTTP API happens ? | 04:46 |
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| sridhar_ram | here is a proposal .. that the most efficient but architecturally the right thing (IMO): | 04:48 |
| gongysh_ | one way I think is to differentiate the policy into two level. one level is VNFM, another is nfvo level. | 04:48 |
| sridhar_ram | have NFVO poll VNF event list periodically .. if any of the VNFs in the FFG respawned or scaled .. delete and re-apply FFG | 04:48 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: my concern is whether it is generic enough to use event/audit functions in place | 04:48 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: why do you think it WON'T be generic? | 04:49 |
| gongysh_ | nfvo policy is done on nfvo level, if a vnf is managed by NFVO policy, its own policy is disabled. | 04:49 |
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| YanXing_an | the HTTP API is exposed to user, i think it is not a good way, user does not use it | 04:50 |
| sridhar_ram | just to be clear are we talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434974/12/specs/pike/vnffg-autohealing.rst@L55 here ? | 04:50 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: when we refer to API, we can control request. with event/audit, I cannot imagine how to do | 04:50 |
| sridhar_ram | call back action from VFNM policy back to NFVO ? | 04:50 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: it is HUGE layer violation for VNFM to call a NFVO API in first place .. | 04:51 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: architecturally that does not make sense .. | 04:52 |
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| YanXing_an | In ETSI NFV MANO, Or-vnfm reference point is used between nfvo and vnfm, supports: | 04:53 |
| YanXing_an | Forwarding of events, other state information about the VNF that may impact also the NS instance | 04:54 |
| sridhar_ram | Exactly ... | 04:54 |
| sridhar_ram | .. we shd restrict it to events out of VNFM -> NFVO | 04:54 |
| trinaths | YanXing_an: agree | 04:54 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: that's right. ETSI said that NSs can get failure events from other functional blocks. It could be from VNFM level | 04:55 |
| sridhar_ram | in fact, the current tacker architecture event envisions a SINGLE NFVO using multiple site-local VNFMs .. we need to preserve that model | 04:55 |
| sridhar_ram | s/event/even/ | 04:55 |
| gongysh_ | YanXing_an, sridhar_ram , I think there should allow vnfm to emit event to upper layers. | 04:55 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh_: we planned a follow for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/audit-support .. to use a pub-sub bus for external entities to receive events from Tacker | 04:56 |
| sridhar_ram | for now, we can use an internal event queue from VNFM -> NFVO to implement this FFG-HA feature | 04:57 |
| sridhar_ram | .. suggesting this as a way to unblock us for near term | 04:57 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: what problem if users they want to do HA functions for VNFFG or even NSs? | 04:58 |
| gongysh_ | sridhar_ram, how about to use rabbit mq for vnfm to emit cast message to a certain queues? | 04:58 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh_: that would work too .. | 04:58 |
| sridhar_ram | as long as the changes to VNFM are "generic" and not specific | 04:59 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: the user facing functionality is fine .. it is a valid feature and we need to implement it.. "how" is the question here | 04:59 |
| gongysh_ | tung_doan, lets use tacker conductor to implement the queue. | 05:00 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: that's why I am stil thinking about API support :) | 05:00 |
| gongysh_ | vnfm rpc cast, conductor receives it. | 05:01 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: API from VNFM -> NFVO does (reverse) coupling of layers that does not make sense | 05:01 |
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| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: I mean API support can use for both users and VNFM level. Is it acceptable? | 05:02 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: sorry, what you mean by users here? | 05:03 |
| gongysh_ | tung_doan, I don't think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434974/12/specs/pike/vnffg-autohealing.rst@L55 is for user | 05:04 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh_: +1 | 05:04 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, +1 | 05:04 |
| YanXing_an | Sridhar_ram: Tacker support events on VNF resource, how about nfv subscibe the events? If so, we need define the event carefully | 05:05 |
| gongysh_ | so, about for tacker conductor way? | 05:05 |
| sridhar_ram | YanXing_an: that is exactly what I | 05:05 |
| sridhar_ram | YanXing_an: that is exactly what I'm proposing | 05:05 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh_: for near-term, yes that would work .. | 05:06 |
| sridhar_ram | i'm trying to search with success a ppt from a previous tacker midcycle meetup that describes events emitted using a pub-sub bus | 05:07 |
| gongysh_ | tung_doan, then do tacker conductor way. | 05:07 |
| tung_doan | gongysh_: i will look into conductor. thanks | 05:07 |
| sridhar_ram | this for any application on top of Tacker to receive events .. that is the ideal way .. an internal rpc might work as a near term alternative | 05:07 |
| gongysh_ | sridhar_ram, we have to think pub-sub bus beyond tacker api server process. | 05:08 |
| gongysh_ | the rabbitmq is the way to do it. | 05:08 |
| sridhar_ram | yes.. it is generic and can be used internally as well.. | 05:08 |
| sridhar_ram | Tacker NFVO becomes an "app" for Tacker VNFM | 05:08 |
| sridhar_ram | for -> "on top of" | 05:09 |
| gongysh_ | sridhar_ram, also to remember, we will remove all policy action into tacker conductor. | 05:09 |
| gongysh_ | remove -> move. | 05:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh_: i see tacker-conductor as a worker process shared by both NFVO and VNFM .. | 05:09 |
| sridhar_ram | it is more a utility worker process IMO | 05:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | what do you think? | 05:10 |
| sridhar_ram | both NFVO and VNFM can send their long running "work" to tacker-conductor to get it done | 05:10 |
| sridhar_ram | .. and have the results back | 05:10 |
| gongysh_ | sridhar_ram, if I understand you, I say yes. we can use tacker conductor as a pub-sub system too. | 05:11 |
| sridhar_ram | ack ... | 05:11 |
| gongysh_ | lets wrap the healing bp. | 05:11 |
| sridhar_ram | again, please keep the architecture clean in a way one day Tacker NFVO can be installed in a central site and local Tacker VNFM can be installed in local OpenStack sites | 05:12 |
| gongysh_ | tung_doan, to investigate the conductor way, thanks. | 05:12 |
| gongysh_ | sridhar_ram, right. | 05:12 |
| tung_doan | gongysh_ : sure | 05:12 |
| trinaths | sridhar_ram: that must be the design | 05:12 |
| gongysh_ | #topic code patches | 05:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | trinaths: yep | 05:13 |
| gongysh_ | vim monitoring mistral way is merged. | 05:13 |
| gongysh_ | do you anyone try it? | 05:13 |
| gongysh_ | not yet? | 05:14 |
| YanXing_an | i will upgrade my testbed to use it | 05:14 |
| trinaths | gongysh_: not yet. will try that | 05:14 |
| gongysh_ | YanXing_an, great. | 05:14 |
| YanXing_an | not yet +1. | 05:14 |
| gongysh_ | trinaths, thanks | 05:14 |
| gongysh_ | next patch I want you to merge is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465080/ | 05:15 |
| gongysh_ | It passed the CI gate and a long patchset chain. | 05:16 |
| gongysh_ | I think it is the time to get it merged. | 05:16 |
| gongysh_ | and then we will have time to test it during developers daily work, when they are developing other features. | 05:17 |
| YanXing_an | wow, it's good news. I will fix any bugs if appeared. | 05:17 |
| trinaths | YanXing_an: nice work | 05:17 |
| sridhar_ram | YanXing_an: great job!! | 05:17 |
| gongysh_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476449/ | 05:18 |
| YanXing_an | trinaths, sridhar_ram, thanks. | 05:18 |
| gongysh_ | this is from | 05:18 |
| gongysh_ | vagrant <dharmendra.kushwaha@nectechnologies.in> | 05:18 |
| gongysh_ | will conflict with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465080/ | 05:18 |
| gongysh_ | on db migration script | 05:18 |
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| gongysh_ | so we will merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465080/ and then https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476449/ | 05:19 |
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| gongysh_ | other patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472045/ | 05:19 |
| gongysh_ | also from dharmendra.kushwaha@nectechnologies.in | 05:19 |
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| gongysh_ | recently, our core dharmendra is doing great to improve the tacker inner logical | 05:20 |
| gongysh_ | that is great. | 05:20 |
| sridhar_ram | +1 | 05:20 |
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| gongysh_ | before next meeting, we will have these patch to be merged. | 05:21 |
| gongysh_ | #topic open discussion | 05:21 |
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| gongysh_ | anything to talk? | 05:22 |
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| gongysh_ | tung_doan, hi | 05:22 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh_: pong | 05:23 |
| gongysh_ | could we enable the policy related CI tests? | 05:23 |
| tung_doan | gongysh_: could you pls elaborate? Why we need this? thanks | 05:23 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, how to generate a asic chart using blockdiag, i can only generate a picture | 05:24 |
| gongysh_ | tung_doan, http://logs.openstack.org/80/465080/22/check/gate-tacker-dsvm-functional-ubuntu-xenial-nv/47dd728/testr_results.html.gz | 05:24 |
| sridhar_ram | YanXing_an: team: https://answers.launchpad.net/tacker/+question/633708 keeps lingering ... seems multiple folks are hitting this issue. | 05:25 |
| gongysh_ | tung_doan, tacker.tests.functional.vnfm.test_tosca_vnf_alarm.VnfTestAlarmMonitor | 05:25 |
| tung_doan | gongysh_: I am trying to fix this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462690/ . It will be finished soon for sure | 05:26 |
| trinaths | YanXing_an: you can use ascii to text generators | 05:26 |
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| tbh_ | sridhar_ram: can I work on that | 05:27 |
| gongysh_ | YanXing_an, why do you need asscii? | 05:27 |
| YanXing_an | sridhar_ram, yes, it linger there for long time | 05:28 |
| tbh_ | Or someone working on that | 05:28 |
| gongysh_ | you can just put the blockdiag in rst. | 05:28 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh_: YanXing_an: i just asked some info .. but tbh_ if yoyu' | 05:28 |
| gongysh_ | you don't need to upload the png. | 05:28 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh_: if you've some time please take a look. thanks! | 05:28 |
| trinaths | gongysh_: we dont upload any png. | 05:28 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, if so, we can only see the chart in CI result | 05:29 |
| trinaths | gongysh_: we just do ascii based diagrams | 05:29 |
| gongysh_ | trinaths, no, that is not absolutely. | 05:29 |
| trinaths | gongysh_: can we have png/jpeg stuff included ? | 05:29 |
| gongysh_ | YanXing_an, yes sometime. | 05:29 |
| gongysh_ | time is up. | 05:30 |
| gongysh_ | thanks for everyone. | 05:30 |
| gongysh_ | good day or night. | 05:30 |
| gongysh_ | #endmeeting | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 05:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 28 05:30:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:30 |
| trinaths | one more | 05:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-06-28-04.29.html | 05:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-06-28-04.29.txt | 05:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-06-28-04.29.log.html | 05:30 |
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| cschwede | #startmeeting swift | 07:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 28 07:02:47 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cschwede. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 07:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 07:02 |
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| cschwede | Hello everyone! Who's here for our biweekly Swift-meeting? | 07:03 |
| acoles | I am! | 07:03 |
| mahatic_ | me | 07:03 |
| mathiasb | me too! | 07:03 |
| tovin07_ | me :D | 07:03 |
| hieulq_ | o/ | 07:03 |
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| rledisez | i'm here o/ | 07:03 |
| clayg | o/ | 07:03 |
| jeffli | o/ | 07:04 |
| psachin | o/ | 07:04 |
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| acoles | clayg: ! | 07:04 |
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| kota_ | hello | 07:04 |
| kota_ | i'm late | 07:04 |
| mahatic_ | clayg: hi! | 07:04 |
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| clayg | mahatic_: hello :D | 07:04 |
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| cschwede | awesome - so let's get started! our agenda for today is: | 07:05 |
| cschwede | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 07:05 |
| cschwede | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 07:05 |
| cschwede | #topic Follow ups from last two weeks | 07:05 |
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| cschwede | I had a look at the topics from the last two meetings, and most of the followup are on our agenda for today (bugs, prio reviews etc). Has anyone another important follow up that needs to be discussed? | 07:06 |
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| mahatic_ | none from me | 07:07 |
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| cschwede | alright, so let's continue with the next topic then | 07:08 |
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| cschwede | #topic Denver PTG - session ideas | 07:08 |
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| cschwede | PTG is taking place in ~10 weeks, and it's time to collect topic ideas. I duplicated our etherpad from the last time: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-ptg-queens | 07:09 |
| cschwede | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-ptg-queens | 07:09 |
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| cschwede | i thought this worked well the last time - please feel free to add entries! | 07:10 |
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| cschwede | also, note that a limited hotel block is already open for reservation - more details on the mailing list post from Erin: | 07:10 |
| cschwede | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118002.html | 07:10 |
| acoles | cschwede: thanks, etherpad works well usually | 07:11 |
| kota_ | is it useful to add the etherpad link to meeting wiki? | 07:11 |
| kota_ | or topic on #openstakck-swift channel | 07:12 |
| cschwede | kota_: already done :) | 07:12 |
| mahatic_ | thanks for the info | 07:12 |
| kota_ | nice | 07:12 |
| kota_ | thx | 07:12 |
| mahatic_ | kota_: yeah, adding to the topic is what is usually done I think | 07:12 |
| cschwede | kota_, mahatic_: i'll ping notmyname to change the topic on #openstack-swift - good idea! | 07:13 |
| mahatic_ | thanks | 07:13 |
| cschwede | ok, let's continue | 07:13 |
| cschwede | #topic Reminder - Sydney summit: CFP | 07:13 |
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| cschwede | this is just a reminder, call for presentations is open for the Sydney summit | 07:13 |
| cschwede | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/call-for-presentations/ | 07:14 |
| cschwede | #topic Bug triage | 07:14 |
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| cschwede | as you may have noticed, there were quite a few new open bugs in the last few days for Swift. Some are already in discussion, some not | 07:15 |
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| cschwede | So I had a look at all bugs for Swift in state New, and that list is quite long: | 07:15 |
| cschwede | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit | 07:15 |
| cschwede | _dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on | 07:15 |
| cschwede | link is also on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 07:16 |
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| cschwede | i'm wondering how we could triage this long bug list in a timely manner. some bugs are more questions, some are actually missing infos, and i'm sure some are important bugs that are not worked on yet | 07:17 |
| cschwede | any ideas? | 07:17 |
| mahatic_ | maybe let ppl know when you're triaging a bug, so there's no overlap? (amongst other things) | 07:18 |
| cschwede | for reference, here's a shorter link: | 07:19 |
| cschwede | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bugs?orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 07:19 |
| rledisez | is there rules on bugs like on reviews (eg: if i feel it must be closed i set -1, and someone with -2 rights can approve or not) | 07:19 |
| acoles | cschwede: we have talked in the past about having a bug triage day - not sure we have ever actually done it | 07:20 |
| cschwede | mahatic_: yes, i think the idea is to change the state then? for example, might be incomplete, or confirmed | 07:20 |
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| mahatic_ | cschwede: correct | 07:21 |
| mahatic_ | as that's one of the things that needs to be done before getting to work on it | 07:21 |
| cschwede | acoles: i remember - maybe we can do that, but split this a bit? for example, have groups of people in the same timezone working on 10 bugs each, instead of doing this for a whole day? | 07:21 |
| acoles | rledisez: I *think* only cores can change bug importance but I know i would pay a lot of attention to a comment saying 'this is critical' | 07:21 |
| kota_ | acoles: correct | 07:22 |
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| cschwede | acoles: good point! so there needs to be at least one core taking part in each (sub-)triage | 07:22 |
| mahatic_ | rledisez: I think you could set the "status" per your investigation on the bug | 07:23 |
| rledisez | mahatic_: yes, it seems i can edit it (as assigned to) | 07:24 |
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| mahatic_ | great | 07:24 |
| acoles | rledisez: ah, so you can change the bug status? or just assign the bug? | 07:25 |
| mahatic_ | I think he meant both? | 07:25 |
| rledisez | acoles: both i think. i'll try on a bug later | 07:25 |
| rledisez | i have the "pen" icon | 07:26 |
| mahatic_ | rledisez: example bug you can try on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1700036 | 07:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1700036 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Less number of connection retries between proxy-server and container/object-server." [Undecided,New] | 07:26 |
| mahatic_ | :) | 07:26 |
| clayg | I'm interested in the work sdauge is doing - he sent something to the ML - but worried about how an eventual migration to storyboard might effect efforts spent automating against launchpad and defining process for that tool | 07:26 |
| acoles | rledisez: how about 'Importance'? | 07:26 |
| mahatic_ | rledisez: yup, you should see a drop down when you click on the "pen" icon | 07:26 |
| mahatic_ | for "status" | 07:26 |
| mahatic_ | I mean, dropdown == set of options | 07:27 |
| cschwede | clayg: while there are discussions for some time, i think there is no schedule yet for us to switch over to storyboard? | 07:27 |
| rledisez | acoles: i have the dropdown. but not for importance, i guess this one is for coredev only | 07:27 |
| acoles | rledisez: for the time being, if you find a bug that should be high or ciritical then tell me or another core and we will bump the importance | 07:28 |
| cschwede | ^^ that! | 07:28 |
| cschwede | #info ping swift cores if you see bugs that are of critical or high importance | 07:29 |
| clayg | I have another idea how we could solve that particular problem... | 07:29 |
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| clayg | nm | 07:29 |
| clayg | cschwede: yeah i don't know the status of the storyboard migration either | 07:30 |
| clayg | I do think that attacking the bug triage problem with automation is the right approach | 07:30 |
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| acoles | surely a migration to storyboard will preserve bug status etc? or is there a concern our triage would be lost in migration? | 07:30 |
| clayg | if it wasn't for the backlog it'd probably be fairly manageable to keep up with bug status if we stayed on top of it | 07:31 |
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| cschwede | here is the ML post from Sean on the bug triage that clayg mentioned: | 07:32 |
| cschwede | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118868.html | 07:32 |
| clayg | i was thinking more about usefulness of scripts that push lauchpad statuses around... stuff like "in progress with no open patch" | 07:32 |
| clayg | or "new/undecided" > 1 yr old (should => needs information or invalid) | 07:33 |
| cschwede | clayg: so, should that become invalid or new (i mean the "in progress with no open patch")? | 07:33 |
| clayg | probably go back to new | 07:34 |
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| mahatic_ | seems the default itself is "new" and "undecided" | 07:34 |
| cschwede | yeah, that was my thinking as well. however, that would cleanup the state somewhat, but then we'd have even more bugs in state new | 07:34 |
| cschwede | that need to be triaged | 07:34 |
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| acoles | gerrit doesn't reliably update bugs with patch references, especially if the Closes-Bug is not in first patch version IIRC | 07:35 |
| cschwede | also, do we need some more precise notes when opening a new bug? i remember there were some bugs a few days ago which lacked some required infos | 07:35 |
| clayg | acoles: we could troll our commit log and make sure to push lp to the correct state | 07:36 |
| cschwede | and acoles also tried to ping the author on irc without success | 07:36 |
| cschwede | clayg: neat! | 07:36 |
| acoles | clayg: yes, for merged patches, but for in progress ... cross reference gerrit ? | 07:37 |
| acoles | actually, launchpad does seem to get updated when patches are released, it is the in progress that go AWAOL | 07:37 |
| acoles | AWOL* | 07:38 |
| cschwede | here's a proposal: i'll have a look at Seans work, and on automating LP in general and will follow up in next weeks meeting? sounds like this also needs a broader coverage within the community? | 07:38 |
| cschwede | (ie the other meeting) | 07:38 |
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| clayg | acoles: ok, i understand - yeah checking gerrit is probably a good idea | 07:39 |
| clayg | we could probably use some information about the patch status to help add some tagging | 07:40 |
| acoles | does swift have a list of 'common' bug tags? I have used ec, low-hanging-fruit - if we start to tag we need to use a common set of tags | 07:40 |
| clayg | "has patch" "patch is +2'd" kind of tagging could help get bugs closed | 07:40 |
| acoles | clayg: ^^ nice | 07:41 |
| kota_ | clayg: +1 | 07:41 |
| clayg | acoles: seans email talked about trying to classify bugs under various modules/sub-teams | 07:41 |
| clayg | we could probably spot a ring bug vs. api? | 07:41 |
| mahatic_ | patch status tag idea is good! | 07:42 |
| acoles | clayg: yes | 07:42 |
| clayg | acoles: but I'm not aware of anyone writing down what we think a good list of appropriate tags for swift bugs would look like | 07:42 |
| cschwede | clayg: so we have to start with that, right? | 07:43 |
| clayg | acoles: maybe we need way-out-reach-fruit | 07:43 |
| acoles | clayg: lol ... 'no-hope' | 07:43 |
| mahatic_ | :D | 07:43 |
| clayg | cschwede: maybe... I mean *probably* | 07:43 |
| clayg | it would help me if I had some idea how we thought we were going to get these tags onto the bugs | 07:43 |
| cschwede | right | 07:44 |
| cschwede | i'd say we'll continue this discussion in next weeks meeting? and i start an etherpad with some ideas inbetween? | 07:44 |
| clayg | to some extend I think the actual tags themselves can be a somewhat emergent observed set - we could bikeshed over names - but if we know *how* to tag a bug that has a single-plus-2 patch we could name the tag "acoles-look-at-this-one" and that'd be fine | 07:45 |
| mahatic_ | an etherpad to list out tags we think are appropriate would help | 07:45 |
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| clayg | ^ yeah or just do that and get the creative juices flowing | 07:45 |
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| cschwede | acoles will get a lot of extra work if we automate the "acoles-look-at-this-one" tag | 07:45 |
| acoles | does it filter ones that have *my* +2 ;) or do I get to go in circles | 07:46 |
| * acoles imagines becoming infinitely trapped in launchpad | 07:46 | |
| cschwede | this discussion is great, but let's continue with the next topic and follow up on this one - only 14 mins left | 07:47 |
| cschwede | #action cschwede to start etherpad for bug tag ideas, investigate automation of LP bug state changes and report in next meeting | 07:47 |
| clayg | cschwede: awesome | 07:47 |
| clayg | good work | 07:47 |
| cschwede | alright | 07:47 |
| cschwede | #topic Priority Reviews | 07:47 |
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| acoles | I would love it if launchpad 'learnt' the tags we were commonly used an offered them on the UI...I have a vague recollection of there being some way to setup project tags in launchpad...that of course only helps humans | 07:47 |
| cschwede | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 07:48 |
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| cschwede | there was some progress on the linked prio reviews (thx Tim & Matt!), but the list didn't get shorter from the last time | 07:48 |
| acoles | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+manage-official-tags | 07:48 |
| acoles | yes! ^^ | 07:49 |
| acoles | oh, sorry, we moved on | 07:49 |
| cschwede | acoles: i'll noted that for the follow up, thx for looking into it! | 07:49 |
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| cschwede | is the list of prio reviews exhaustive, are there any other patches that need some higher priority when reviewing? | 07:50 |
| mahatic_ | a couple of bugs on that page are merged, it probably needs some updating | 07:51 |
| cschwede | mahatic_: ah, right. i only had a look at the ones i included in the agenda (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift). updating the prio page should be a ... prio ;) | 07:52 |
| mahatic_ | :D | 07:52 |
| cschwede | #action cschwede will update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 07:53 |
| cschwede | ok, if there is nothing special to discuss here, let's continue | 07:53 |
| acoles | rledisez: any progress on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472659/? (needs tests) | 07:53 |
| acoles | which fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1652323 | 07:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1652323 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "ssync syncs an expired object as a tombstone" [Medium,Confirmed] | 07:53 |
| clayg | acoles: he's going to be too busy reviewing patch 428408 and patch 478416 to be bothered with tests - you'll have to do it ;) | 07:54 |
| rledisez | acoles: no, sadly i've been very very busy | 07:54 |
| rledisez | i'll really try to find some time by the end of the week | 07:54 |
| rledisez | clayg: noted, on my (too long) todolist ;) | 07:55 |
| acoles | rledisez: well, clayg has bullied me now | 07:55 |
| cschwede | #topic Open Discussion | 07:55 |
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| acoles | rledisez: I have a probe test patch that I think can be adapted easily | 07:56 |
| tovin07_ | I have one patch that need some comments | 07:56 |
| tovin07_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468316/ | 07:56 |
| acoles | rledisez: I'll try to put some time on it | 07:56 |
| cschwede | that already sounds like an open discussion, anything else for this meeting? a couple of minutes left | 07:56 |
| clayg | notmyname: is out - this is the only meeting today | 07:56 |
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| cschwede | #info notmyname is out - no Swift meeting at 2100UTC today | 07:57 |
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| tovin07_ | can anyone take a look at patch 468316? :D | 07:57 |
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| cschwede | tovin07_: i'll have a look at it at the end of the week | 07:59 |
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| tovin07_ | cschwede, thanks! | 07:59 |
| cschwede | Alright, thanks everyone for attending this meeting, your ideas and contributions to Swift! Talk to you soon on #openstack-swift again :) | 08:00 |
| cschwede | #endmeeting | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 28 08:00:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-06-28-07.02.html | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-06-28-07.02.txt | 08:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-06-28-07.02.log.html | 08:00 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 28 14:01:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 14:01 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 14:01 |
| witek | hello | 14:01 |
| rhochmuth | hi witek | 14:01 |
| koji | hi | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | i just realized that i still have a number of reviews to complete | 14:02 |
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| rhochmuth | hi koji | 14:02 |
| kornica | hello | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | hi kornica | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | looks like a pretty small group again | 14:02 |
| kornica | pleasure to meet you sire ;) | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | and the agenda is a little light | 14:03 |
| kornica | group is small but strong | 14:03 |
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| rhochmuth | so besides all the stuff that I said I would do last week that I didn't get to, are there other items to cover today | 14:03 |
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| kornica | I'd mention that we reached a state where we have a gates in place for documentation | 14:04 |
| witek | kornica works on publishing docu | 14:04 |
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| witek | for log-api | 14:04 |
| kornica | results can be examined here -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437889/ | 14:04 |
| kornica | witek: yes that's only for log-api, clearing the path | 14:05 |
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| kornica | api-ref, api-guide, dev docs and releasenotes | 14:05 |
| rhochmuth | very impressive | 14:05 |
| kornica | what's missing and could be a subject of discussion are install docs, but that's point for agend for another meeting I guess | 14:05 |
| kornica | rhochmuth is there any agenda at all, I don't want to jump in front of it | 14:06 |
| witek | let's fill this docs with body first | 14:06 |
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| witek | one thing to mention perhaps | 14:07 |
| kornica | witek: btw, I addressed comments here => https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478480/ | 14:07 |
| witek | CloudKitty started work on integrating with Monasca | 14:07 |
| rhochmuth | yes, saw that | 14:07 |
| rhochmuth | thanks for answering their questions | 14:07 |
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| witek | Ashwin and Joseph has given valueable input on using monasca-ceilometer | 14:08 |
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| witek | for that purpose | 14:08 |
| rhochmuth | thanks ashwin and joseph | 14:08 |
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| witek | I don't have anything else | 14:10 |
| kornica | have they uploaded anything to review ? | 14:10 |
| witek | I don't think so | 14:11 |
| kornica | I mean what's the scope of their integration ? I think I got little behind in that topic | 14:11 |
| kornica | :( | 14:11 |
| rhochmuth | i don't see anything | 14:11 |
| rhochmuth | i'm going to check with the OP5 folks to see if they are going to start joining the meetings | 14:12 |
| witek | they want to use Monasca as backend for storing metrics they use in their project | 14:12 |
| rhochmuth | i promise i'll get some reviews done this week | 14:12 |
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| rhochmuth | btw, next week i'll probably be out for July 4th week | 14:13 |
| kornica | sure things (from my side I can tell you that keystone_auth and new_client topics) are in fairly good shape, however in new_client[monasca-agent] adrian found a flaw around libvirt and ovs that I need to fix tommorow | 14:13 |
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| kornica | but apart from those two checks everything is ok (rest of agent, ui and client while used in cli) | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | thx kornica | 14:14 |
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| rhochmuth | we added rate calculation to monasca-aggregator recently | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | https://github.com/monasca/monasca-aggregator | 14:15 |
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| rhochmuth | i guess that is it for today | 14:16 |
| kornica | oh, it is written in go :) | 14:16 |
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| rhochmuth | yes i | 14:16 |
| kornica | did you check that maybe with newer kafka ? | 14:16 |
| witek | does it cover all the functionallity of monasca-transform? | 14:16 |
| witek | I mean monasca-aggregator? | 14:16 |
| rhochmuth | yes, it covers everything in monasca-transform and more | 14:16 |
| kornica | witek: you want to say that it is meant to replace monasca-transform ? | 14:16 |
| witek | I'm wondering what should be the future of these two | 14:17 |
| rhochmuth | and it is a very easy to deploy/configure, very performant, with guarantees on collection | 14:17 |
| kornica | from what I saw they still contribute to monasca-transform, so that's a bid odd from my POV | 14:17 |
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| witek | what Kafka client do you use? | 14:18 |
| rhochmuth | well, monasca-transform was developed and deployed in Helion OpenStack | 14:18 |
| rhochmuth | Dependencies: Dependent on only the following Go libraries: | 14:18 |
| rhochmuth | •https://github.com/confluentinc/confluent-kafka-go | 14:18 |
| rhochmuth | •https://github.com/prometheus/client_golang | 14:18 |
| rhochmuth | •https://github.com/sirupsen/logrus | 14:18 |
| rhochmuth | •https://github.com/spf13/viper | 14:18 |
| kornica | confluent- | 14:18 |
| rhochmuth | there is a nice readme that covers what monasca-aggregator does | 14:18 |
| rhochmuth | yes | 14:19 |
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| kornica | so the same thing that we considered a while ago for the rest of monasca, but that got swallowed by other more important priorities :/ | 14:19 |
| rhochmuth | right | 14:19 |
| kornica | cofluent is async, right ? | 14:19 |
| rhochmuth | right | 14:20 |
| rhochmuth | it uses librdkafka | 14:20 |
| rhochmuth | the go client is written ontop of that | 14:20 |
| kornica | having that established, couldn't we simply switch to oslo.messaging[kafka] and use newer kafka from their dependencies that is also async | 14:20 |
| kornica | for the rest monasca | 14:20 |
| kornica | high-level idea | 14:20 |
| rhochmuth | i don't recall all the specific issues, but librdkafka requires a C build of the library | 14:21 |
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| kornica | kafka in oslo.messaging is I guess the same on as in forked monasca code (what monasca used to use) but newer | 14:22 |
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| kornica | well, not kafka but kafkaclient | 14:22 |
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| rhochmuth | anything else? | 14:25 |
| kornica | witek: you have something ? | 14:25 |
| witek | no, thanks | 14:25 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, bye everyone | 14:26 |
| rhochmuth | small croud | 14:26 |
| witek | thank you rhochmuth | 14:26 |
| rhochmuth | but twice as big a last week | 14:26 |
| koji | thx | 14:26 |
| kornica | heh, cya | 14:26 |
| rhochmuth | so we are gaining momentum | 14:26 |
| witek | thank you everyone | 14:26 |
| rhochmuth | 2^2 | 14:26 |
| witek | haha | 14:26 |
| haruki | thank you | 14:26 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:26 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 28 14:26:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-06-28-14.01.html | 14:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-06-28-14.01.txt | 14:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-06-28-14.01.log.html | 14:27 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 28 16:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hi | 16:00 |
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| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:01 |
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| pewp | jungleboyj (♦亝д 亝)ﾉ | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Give people one more minute. | 16:02 |
| pots | o/ | 16:02 |
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| Swanson | You'll never get that minute back. Gone forever. | 16:02 |
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| Swanson | Your last words will be cut short by one minute now. | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, we have a lot to cover. smcginnis , the bum , is sleeping in China right now so I am your fearless leader again today. | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | And I am not letting the meeting run over this time! | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| tommylikehu | hey | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Your weekly reminder to check our review focus list. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Added specs that are approved for pike but not yet complete. So, need to be reviewing those. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | We need to finish implementation against those specs, move them to queens or revert if no longer needed. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | If you own one of those specs and it needs action, please take care of it. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Also, we now have the work item of moving documentation from the docs team to the Cinder project. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | The first of the patches asettle was nice enough to start for us: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472275/ | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | I took over the docs liaison project so I am going to shoot to put together an etherpad to organize the work. Haven't had a chance to do that yet though. Will update everyone here when that happens. | 16:07 |
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| hemna | so all docs for cinder are going to live in cinder now ? | 16:07 |
| hemna | everybody knows that engineers don't write docs....... | 16:07 |
| hemna | guess openstack is just giving up then ? | 16:08 |
| tommylikehu | ：） | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Yes. This is because of the brain drain on the documentation team. | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: I know. | 16:08 |
| hemna | oofa | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | So, it is going to be important for Cores to make sure that Docs are happening. | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | honestly I think we *should* own our docs | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | I am going to be working/enforcing in that area. | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | we should also own interactions with users | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I think you are right. | 16:08 |
| asettle | So nice | 16:09 |
| asettle | Very asettle | 16:09 |
| * asettle walks in late | 16:09 | |
| jungleboyj | hey asettle | 16:09 |
| asettle | o/ | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | So, I am just going to have to figure out how to get you all to write docs. ;-) | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | I can't send a cheesecake to everyone. | 16:09 |
| _alastor1 | o/ | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:09 |
| tommylikehu | you can | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Any other questions on that topic? | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Well, I CAN ... but ... | 16:10 |
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| geguileo | jungleboyj: can't we just make sure that we add the docs together with the code? | 16:11 |
| geguileo | just like unit-tests | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Let me get an etherpad put together and we can talk in greater detail in the next week or two. We need to get this done for Pike though. | 16:11 |
| ildikov | geguileo: +1 | 16:11 |
| diablo_rojo | geguileo, +1 | 16:11 |
| ildikov | geguileo: that would be the point in the whole initiative | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: +1 | 16:11 |
| lhx__ | jungleboyj, is this ok? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-migration-tracking | 16:11 |
| lhx__ | or something like this etherpad | 16:12 |
| ildikov | tl;dr the idea is to let the experts write the doc and the docs team help with formatting and phrasing it consistently | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | lhx__: Oh cool. Yes, something like that. Thanks for getting that to me. | 16:12 |
| hemna | s/experts/engineers | 16:13 |
| hemna | :P | 16:13 |
| hemna | who don't write docs | 16:13 |
| hemna | lol | 16:13 |
| hemna | anyway, the projects should own their docs, I'm just saying.....99% of engineers don't write em. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: :-p Things change. | 16:13 |
| asettle | hemna: and you have just summed up the problem | 16:13 |
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| hemna | yah :( | 16:14 |
| asettle | So, help us be a part of the change :) | 16:14 |
| asettle | Promise it'll be awesome | 16:14 |
| asettle | jungleboyj: is promising cheesecake so ya know | 16:14 |
| * hemna is ready for awesome. | 16:14 | |
| asettle | \o/ | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | asettle: ++ | 16:14 |
| ildikov | hemna: I didn't say you have to write War and Piece length and quality docs from now on | 16:14 |
| asettle | jungleboyj: yo fo real i'm a very serious gal about cheese cake | 16:14 |
| geguileo | I'm sure we'll bother to write the docs if we can't get our code merged without it | 16:14 |
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| asettle | no, no hemna ildikov did say you'd have to write giant docs ;) | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: ++ | 16:15 |
| ildikov | hemna: but you're the expert of what you develop :) | 16:15 |
| hemna | can we write docs in regex code? :P | 16:15 |
| ildikov | asettle: ;) | 16:15 |
| asettle | Precisely :) | 16:15 |
| asettle | hemna: errrr | 16:15 |
| asettle | ERRR | 16:15 |
| asettle | UM | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | And there are those of us that don't mind reviewing and helping with documentation. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | So, it will be ok. | 16:15 |
| Swanson | Managers. | 16:15 |
| * jungleboyj shakes my head a Swanson | 16:16 | |
| ildikov | hemna: is that the new English? :) | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | Anyway, this was more of a 'heads up' that this was coming and we will discuss further once I have a better handle on this. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Critical and security fixes to driverfixes branch | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical and security fixes to driverfixes branch (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:17 | |
| jungleboyj | So, this topic came out of last week's Manila meeting. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | They are going to also add a driverfixes branch. | 16:17 |
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| hemna | a single branch ? | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | Question came up as to whether we are making sure that critical and security fixes are also going back to that branch, but I think the actual answer here is that we don't want to do that. | 16:18 |
| bswartz | branches | 16:18 |
| eharney | that seems like confusion about what the driversfixes branches are for | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: No, the same thing we are doing. | 16:18 |
| hemna | didn't we already try this a while back to allow driver devs to get whatever fixes we needed into old releases? | 16:18 |
| hemna | (which we still need badly) | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Yeah, after I added this I realized that driverfixes is just for fixes to drivers and that we don't need to be putting other changes back there. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Agreed? | 16:19 |
| eharney | yes, there is no commitment currently to handle security fixes or critical bug fixes there | 16:19 |
| hemna | did we implement that plan ? | 16:20 |
| hemna | or wasn't it shot down by the infra folks due to lack of CI ? | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, good. Glad we aren't missing anything there. I will carry that forward to Manila so we are all on the same page. | 16:20 |
| bswartz | the reason I wanted to duplicate bugfixes in both branches is so that the 2 branches don't end up with conflicts | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: We did, that is the other reason I bring this up is as a reminder that that branch is there. | 16:20 |
| hemna | the branch? | 16:20 |
| bswartz | driverfixes should have everything stable has and more | 16:20 |
| hemna | meaning singular ? | 16:20 |
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| eharney | bswartz: i'm not sure that will happen since the driverfixes branches don't exist until after the regular stable branch has ended (iirc) | 16:20 |
| hemna | we need the ability to fix bugs on each out of service release | 16:21 |
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| eharney | hemna: we have driverfixes/mitaka and driverfixes/newton branches | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Right. | 16:21 |
| hemna | eharney, ok thanks | 16:21 |
| bswartz | eharney: there's a period when the both exist -- after the stable branch is closed to non-critical bugfixes but before the stable branch is gone | 16:21 |
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| hemna | that's what I was wondering | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: Sorry, I should be plural. | 16:21 |
| eharney | bswartz: ahh, true | 16:21 |
| hemna | ok I was getting confused | 16:21 |
| hemna | I see the 2 driverfixes branches there in github now | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | I understand why you are confused now. Sorry. | 16:22 |
| bswartz | during that period, everything that goes into stable should (IMO) go into driverfixes too | 16:22 |
| hemna | for M and N | 16:22 |
| hemna | bswartz, +1 | 16:22 |
| bswartz | so driverfixes doesn't diverge from stable | 16:22 |
| hemna | is anyone doing that? | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Seems reasonable though I don't think people are taking the whole driverfixes branches. | 16:22 |
| hemna | I presume we are managing those driverfixes/* branches manually now | 16:22 |
| bswartz | probably not | 16:22 |
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| jungleboyj | So, do we agree that we should be pulling security and critical fixes back to the driverfixes branches? | 16:24 |
| eharney | i'm not sure | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Is RedHat using anything from those branches? | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | As are token distro rep. ;-) | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | *our | 16:24 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: we use them as a place to have patches backported upstream that we can then cherry-pick from | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: And you are using it? | 16:25 |
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| bswartz | so eharney wouldn't you be happier to have patches in driverfixes already rebased on top of any conflicting critical bug fixes from stable? | 16:25 |
| eharney | we've used it once or twice, it hasn't been around long enough to see a lot of activity (newton surely will) | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: The changes should only be to drivers in those branches. | 16:26 |
| eharney | bswartz: probably, but my guess is that critical bug fixes are either going to be in-driver and backported there anyway, or not conflict | 16:26 |
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| eharney | critical bug fixes that conflict with other driver fixes are probably quite rare | 16:26 |
| tbarron | i have some concern about putting critical and security patches on branch that isn't tested | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | tbarron how come? | 16:27 |
| tbarron | may imply "warrant" as it were to end users that isn't there | 16:27 |
| hemna | tbarron, we already went over this when we decided to do the driverfixes branching scheme | 16:27 |
| hemna | it's up to each dev that puts the patch up to test it | 16:27 |
| eharney | we don't run all of the test jobs on driverfixes/* iirc | 16:27 |
| bswartz | I agree conflicts are unlikely, but because they're not impossible it seems worth protected against them by just doing the backports | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Correct. | 16:27 |
| tbarron | hemna: jgriffith well I think that "infra" arg has more credibility w.r.t. critical and security fixes than for driver fixes :) | 16:27 |
| hemna | we have no way of getting the CI systems to work, as infra refuses to tag/branch their code to keep it working against old stuffs | 16:27 |
| bswartz | we're talking about a handful of extra cherrypicks | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | bswartz: ++ | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | tbarron I guess my point was I don't know why crit/sec fixes are any different than any change to the driver etc that we've already talked about? | 16:28 |
| eharney | but we can't show that those cherrypicks for other critical fixes are properly tested | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | tbarron I mean; same rule applies right, change in driver/* only? | 16:29 |
| tbarron | jgriffith: are these *driver* crit/sec or core crit/sec that we rebase on? | 16:29 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | tbarron I thought we all agreed on no changes to the core code; it wouldn't be feasible/sustainable | 16:29 |
| bswartz | tbarron: if you read the apache license you'll see very clearly we offer no warranty on our code | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | because in that model if you don't have gate testing this would NEVER EVER work | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ++ | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | but maybe I'm wrong | 16:30 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: somebody has to test these patches -- just not the upstream community | 16:30 |
| tbarron | bswartz: that's why I used quotes, trying to indicate a concern about some weaker level of assurance | 16:30 |
| bswartz | we rely on vendors and distros to ensure quality of driver bugfixes | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | I guess maybe I'm not being clear | 16:31 |
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| bswartz | and you can be sure that vendors and distros are testing with a combination of all the security patches and the driver bugfixes in question | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | bswartz so if you provide a change to cinder/api/xxxx. are you going to test it against all 80 backend/drivers? | 16:31 |
| bswartz | so the point here is just to make cherrypicking easier | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | so that's not a great example... let's say cinder/volume/manger.py | 16:31 |
| hemna | bswartz, the person pushing the fix has to test it. | 16:31 |
| hemna | and it's supposed the be the driver dev/owner anyway | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: I think what we are trying to say is that the cherry picks should only be under /volume/drivers so that shouldn't be an issue. | 16:32 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: such a patch would already have been tested when it went into stable | 16:32 |
| bswartz | taking in into driverfixes too causes no harm | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz my experience in backporting/cherry-picking is very different than yours | 16:33 |
| eharney | but it also doesn't seem to offer much benefit? | 16:33 |
| bswartz | eharney: the benefit is marginal | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | the whole point of this was to be a place for driver fixes | 16:33 |
| bswartz | if you say you don't want it we can agree to not do this | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | not core fixes etc | 16:33 |
| hemna | jgriffith,+1 | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: I think that is what we originally agreed upon. | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | my experience is that the further back you go with trying to backport/cherry-pick things the more difficult it is in terms of conflicts, missing things etc | 16:34 |
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| bswartz | the specific case I have in mind is a security bug or critical bug in a driver that needs to merge to the stable branch after the driverfixes branch has been forked | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | these are all just point in time snapshots remember | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | say for example sec fix to Ocata that relies on something added in the object or rpc modules | 16:35 |
| bswartz | I agree it's kind of pointless to backport a bugfixes that doesn't touch any driver code to the driverfixes branch | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | you try and backport that to Newton, but it turns out it relies on some special thing in the version that only exists in Ocata | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: So, I think we have the answer there. | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | I would like to reach consensus and move on here if possible. | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | So, it sounds like the Cinder team is in agreement that we agreed to no core changes to the driverfixes branches. | 16:37 |
| bswartz | yeah I can agree to that too | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | I don't feel a need to change that policy. | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj | bswartz: Are are willing to keep that consistent in Manila? | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | *Are you | 16:38 |
| bswartz | but if there's a critical bugfix or security bugfix to a driver that goes into stable, it should *also* go into driverfixes | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: I can agree with that. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | Any disagreements? | 16:38 |
| eharney | sounds good to me | 16:38 |
| tbarron | bswartz: how do you ensure that it happens though? | 16:38 |
| tbarron | vendors will be motivated to do their own patches to drivers | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: That is going to be the core team's oversight and the driver maintainers should want to do that. | 16:39 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I think it's in everyone's best interest | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Agreed. | 16:39 |
| tbarron | I don't disagree: but it may take some vigilance. | 16:39 |
| tbarron | vendors will be motivated to do a quick dump of a local fix in driverfixes | 16:40 |
| tbarron | but less motivated to do the due diligence. | 16:40 |
| hemna | driver devs want the ability to backport fixes to older revs | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | we could probably right a hook that prevents committing to the upper dirs | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | write | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | geesh | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: ++ | 16:40 |
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| hemna | they are motivated ( at least I was when I owned the 3par/lefthand drivers) | 16:40 |
| tbarron | and I think we thought there would be expedited review for driver fixes, right? | 16:40 |
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| eharney | expedited in that there are fewer CI hoops, maybe | 16:41 |
| tbarron | I guess what I'm saying is that if I'm cherry-picking from driver-fixes and I want to be sure that | 16:41 |
| tbarron | I have all the crit/sec fixes as well I'm probably going to check the other branch anywways | 16:42 |
| hemna | I think this would help out the various linux distro maintaners.... | 16:42 |
| e0ne | hemna: +1 | 16:42 |
| eharney | tbarron: yes | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: ++ | 16:42 |
| tbarron | but I'm not objecting to tryinig to keep driver-fixes up to date when there is a correspondiing stable branch either. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | Anyway, lets not bikeshed on this further. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | #agreed No core changes to driverfixes branches | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | #agreed security and critical drivers fixes should be backported to driverfixes | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | Any disagreements there? | 16:43 |
| tbarron | only when there is a corresponding stable branch, right? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj but I want it to be fuscia in color! | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: We are color blind. Why do you care? | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: I wouldn't say that, any time the backport makes sense. | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj because somebody who's not may tell me they like the color :) | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: :-p | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: But obviously when there is a corresponding stable branch it is something we should enforce. | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | Make sense>? | 16:45 |
| tbarron | sorry but now I think you're back to introducing risk when someone cherry-picks a driver fix | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Ok, lets chat about this in the channel afterwards. | 16:46 |
| tbarron | because of the issue jgriffith pointed out, you have a sec/crit fix that doesnt' work right in older release | 16:46 |
| tbarron | and it's not tested | 16:46 |
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| jungleboyj | I think we are going around in circles. | 16:47 |
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| jungleboyj | Lets move on for now. I think what we have agreed on is good. Should make sure it is documented somewhere. We can further discuss details after the meeting. | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | So diablo_rojo said she is not ready to talk about the config consolidation yet. I will carry that forward to next week. | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Dynamic Reconfiguration | 16:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Dynamic Reconfiguration (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:48 | |
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| jungleboyj | Did anyone try using SIGHUP with cinder not running in screen to see what happened? | 16:49 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, so I tried this with devstack running in systemd and I saw that c-vol reacted to it but didn't re-read the config file. | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | There was some version pinning that was released but it didn't appear to do anything else. | 16:50 |
| hemna | chirp | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | So, I think we have more work to do in this space. | 16:50 |
| e0ne | I tried to do it with newton or ocata in the past. not all config options were re-read after SIGHUP | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: You had suggested re-addressing the spec giving the changes that have happened since we originally wrote it. | 16:51 |
| e0ne | I didn't have a chance to test with master last week | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | I tested using the environment from our Upstream Institute. | 16:51 |
| eharney | i'm interested in this, just haven't had a chance to poke at it yet | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: e0ne diablo_rojo Thoughts on how to proceed? | 16:52 |
| eharney | i think we should still proceed down the path that SIGHUP should reload config | 16:52 |
| geguileo | eharney: +1 | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: +1 | 16:53 |
| geguileo | I agree SIGHUP reload config, not restart the whole service, right? | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: ++ | 16:53 |
| eharney | is there a bug on this? | 16:54 |
| tommylikehu | +1 | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | So, lets do this. Hate to do this, but lets go back, look at the spec and update it based on that knowledge. | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Good question. Not that I know of. | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Do we want to handle it as a bug and abandon the spec? | 16:54 |
| eharney | nah, spec is fine for now | 16:54 |
| e0ne | #link https://github.com/openstack/oslo.service/blob/b20bd84cbe6db7c6e1cb829fa4700b42fba8f604/oslo_service/service.py#L190 | 16:55 |
| tbarron | I think the point of a bug would be to have a reproducer with the config that isn't getting reloaded | 16:55 |
| e0ne | we have to figure out why cinder doesn't use code approach above ^^ | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Can we go back to the spec, make sure it matches the work and keep going forward? | 16:55 |
| diablo_rojo | I will make those updates today. | 16:55 |
| tbarron | not bug vs spec | 16:55 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, yes | 16:55 |
| tommylikehu | tbarron: +1 | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: I will make sure we include in the spec the process that should work. | 16:56 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Thanks. So, I think we have path forward there. Thank you. | 16:56 |
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| jungleboyj | #action diablo_rojo to update spec to ensure that SIGHUP causes reload of config. | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, I want to make sure we get to the last topic quickly in 3 minutes. | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic HA A/A Certification Criteria | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: Have we made any progress defining this? | 16:57 |
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| geguileo | jungleboyj: I'm trying to close the multipath stuff | 16:58 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: just got my hands on a backend that does the discovery | 16:58 |
| geguileo | I should start working on that in 1 or 2 weeks | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Ok. So, looks like this is something that may hang over into Queens? | 16:58 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: Ok, so may still get traction yet in Pike? | 16:58 |
| geguileo | I should be able to get a good part of it done in P | 16:59 |
| geguileo | but it may drag on to Q | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Ok. Cool. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't lost. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | patrickeast: You still on the hook to verify it? | 16:59 |
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| patrickeast | Sure | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | I am hoping I will have a driver to run through the process with in Queens as well. | 16:59 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: I've been dying to get back to it :-( | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Ok. We have all priorities to juggle. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | It sounds like we still have a plan and just need to keep executing. Lets check back in a few weeks . | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | And with that, time is up! | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Lets take additional discussion over to the Cinder channel. | 17:01 |
| * jungleboyj is looking at tbarron | 17:01 | |
| jungleboyj | Thank you everyone for coming. | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| tommylikehu | thanks | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 28 17:01:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-06-28-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-06-28-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-06-28-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| e0ne | see you next week | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Yes, might be a smaller group due to the 4th of July Holiday but I think we will still have the meeting. | 17:01 |
| Swanson | 12:01 | 17:02 |
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| krenczewski | Hi Bin | 17:48 |
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| bh526r | Hi Kamil | 17:51 |
| bh526r | How are you? | 17:51 |
| bh526r | I was reading some emails. | 17:51 |
| krenczewski | Great, no problem, have your time. | 17:51 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 28 18:00:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:01 |
| krenczewski | Thanks :-) | 18:01 |
| bh526r | :) | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Looks like only you and I | 18:02 |
| bh526r | I see Jin's patch was updated | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | and you submitted a new patch of doc | 18:02 |
| krenczewski | Yes | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | #topic Pike status update | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | #info Patch Update documentation for Contrail installation | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476509/ | 18:03 |
| krenczewski | This covers scenario from last summit | 18:04 |
| bh526r | great | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info There was one review and 2 comments | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info regarding format | 18:05 |
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| krenczewski | This also assume that installation is done with docs from ContrailMechanismDriver repo | 18:05 |
| krenczewski | I think that is all for now. | 18:05 |
| bh526r | I assume it covers 2 areas we discussed (1) detailed steps/instructions to install Contrail dependencies (2) config changes for Fuel | 18:06 |
| krenczewski | I am working with Sukhdev on new mechanism driver. | 18:06 |
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| krenczewski | Correct | 18:06 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:07 |
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| bh526r_ | sorry Kamil, | 18:11 |
| bh526r_ | I lost Internet connection for a few minutes | 18:11 |
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| krenczewski | No problem | 18:11 |
| bh526r_ | So I must have missed what you have typed after "Correct" | 18:12 |
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| krenczewski | Nothing ... | 18:12 |
| bh526r_ | :) | 18:12 |
| bh526r_ | So just go ahead to fix the formatting comments and re-submit a new patch set | 18:13 |
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| krenczewski | OK, will do this tomorrow | 18:13 |
| bh526r_ | #info New patch covers (1) details of steps/instructions to install Contrail dependencies (2) config changes for Fuel | 18:13 |
| bh526r_ | #info Kamil will work on a new patchset based on comments received | 18:13 |
| bh526r_ | #info Next patch is Fix incorrect commands adding Gluon service to Keystone | 18:14 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474812/ | 18:14 |
| bh526r_ | #info Jin has taken care of all comments. Reviewer gave +1 | 18:15 |
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| bh526r_ | #info I suggest that if there is no further comments for next 24 hours, we approve and merge this patch | 18:15 |
| bh526r_ | anything else from you Kamil? | 18:15 |
| krenczewski | Nothing more. | 18:16 |
| jinli | Hi Bin, I am here | 18:16 |
| jinli | please let me know any comments on that patch | 18:16 |
| bh526r_ | Hi Jin | 18:16 |
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| bh526r_ | Your patch looks good to me. | 18:16 |
| jinli | ok | 18:16 |
| bh526r_ | I leave for another 24 hours just in case Tin or someone may have comments. | 18:16 |
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| bh526r_ | Otherwise, I will approve and merge it tomorrow | 18:17 |
| jinli | I am still working on the policy.json and policy.py, try to make the authorization work | 18:17 |
| jinli | ok | 18:17 |
| jinli | sounds good to me. | 18:17 |
| jinli | will ping Tin to review it | 18:17 |
| bh526r_ | Great, and hopefully see your new patch soon :) | 18:17 |
| bh526r_ | because Tin gave -1 before, so make sure he is happy now | 18:18 |
| jinli | yeah, agree | 18:18 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Group agreed to approve and merge Jin's patch 474812 if no more comments in 24 hours | 18:19 |
| bh526r_ | #info Jin is also working on the policy.json and policy.py, try to make the authorization work | 18:19 |
| bh526r_ | any other update, Jin? | 18:19 |
| jinli | that's all for me | 18:20 |
| bh526r_ | If no more update, we can adjourn and go back to work, and Kamil enjoys evening | 18:20 |
| bh526r_ | Thank you Kamil and Jin | 18:20 |
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| bh526r_ | #info No other update or item to discuss, meeting adjourned | 18:20 |
| jinli | bye Bin and Kamil | 18:20 |
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| krenczewski | Thanks | 18:20 |
| bh526r_ | #endmeeting | 18:20 |
| krenczewski | Bye | 18:20 |
| bh526r_ | Bye all | 18:21 |
| bh526r_ | #endmeeting | 18:21 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | anyone around for... the storyboard meeting???????????????????? | 18:59 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | the more question marks, the more excitement | 18:59 |
| SotK | YEAH | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | \o/ | 19:00 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:00 |
| openstack | SotK: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 19:00 |
| SotK | well then | 19:00 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 28 19:00:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-06-28-18.00.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-06-28-18.00.txt | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-06-28-18.00.log.html | 19:01 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | aw, that was a good reason to not have a meeting xD | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 28 19:01:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | they're going to have some long logs... | 19:01 |
| SotK | heh | 19:01 |
| SotK | somewhere there is an agenda, I am unprepared today | 19:01 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :) dw, I'm mainly attending because I feel chatty | 19:02 |
| SotK | I don't think we have any announcements or urgent items, so... | 19:02 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:02 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I fail at review :( | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I have it on my todo list for tonight | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I know diablo_rojo sent an update for the branches patch | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | which I have not yet looked at | 19:03 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | and I have my usual pile of boards patches to look at :) | 19:04 |
| * SotK intends to write a response to the email from AJaeger tonight, and also look at how much work it will be to provide useful functionality there | 19:04 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | \o/ | 19:04 |
| SotK | since I think it will solve some other problems too | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, 'bug templates', right? | 19:04 |
| SotK | indeed | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I like the idea of it and am not volunteering to do it because I'm already behind with my commitments | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so I'm pleased that you want to work on it | 19:05 |
| SotK | :) | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (for my own part, I'm not going to look at coding anything until I get more on top of review) | 19:06 |
| SotK | (the logic with bug templates being, a similar feature will let people provide links to a pre-filled story submission modal, which is basically a template) | 19:06 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yep | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/119016.html Report a bug and storyboard | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks | 19:07 |
| SotK | thanks fungi | 19:07 |
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| fungi | took me a moment to dig it back out of my history | 19:07 |
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| fungi | thanks for following up there | 19:09 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I don't have any other in-progress things to note myself | 19:09 |
| SotK | yw :) | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello | 19:09 |
| SotK | hey diablo_rojo | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Multitasking | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hi! | 19:10 |
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| fungi | a more generalized option might be to allow story creation to take an arbitrary title and description and whatnot provided via get parameters, and just expect the client to get prompted to athenticate to sb via openid first or something | 19:10 |
| fungi | but not worry about making it possible to specify arbitrary subfields within the description and just leave that up to the caller | 19:11 |
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| fungi | granted the templates stuff would be more elegant and reusable within the webui for new story submissions which come in without such prior context | 19:12 |
| SotK | yeah, the ability to have reuse there was what I was hoping for | 19:13 |
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| SotK | though, I see how both approaches could be useful | 19:13 |
| * SotK may look at both | 19:13 | |
| persia | Continuing to allow the API to submit arbitrary description content (regardless of subfields), even if the webui allows subfield templating seems safer to me, especially for folk who are already using alternate clients and may be surprised by new validation changes on description input from the API. | 19:14 |
| SotK | I wasn't planning on any change to validation, just the ability to pre-fill the description field for folk who use a particular URL to create a story | 19:15 |
| SotK | this could have the issue of a bunch of stories with useless content in the description though | 19:15 |
| fungi | if people don't edit them before saving, i guess | 19:15 |
| persia | That's a natural side effect of the template clients (and has widely been seen in other trackers). That a later triager could edit it to be less verbose makes this less painful than some systems that hardcode all the possible subfields. | 19:16 |
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| SotK | yeah, I expect it would be rare, but I can see it not being impossible someone would see the field with words in and be like "oh automatic description, *submit*" | 19:17 |
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| SotK | anything else in progress? | 19:19 |
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| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:21 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, just that patch I've had around forever. I updated things. It should be good to go I think.. | 19:21 |
| SotK | oh yeah, I saw you updated that and was meaning to take a look, thanks! | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, thank you! | 19:21 |
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| diablo_rojo | Stil haven't heard the 'go ahead' from the projects I've reached out to. Kind of waiting to hear back from them currently. | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | I replied to one email with questions with some help from the wonderful fungi but that's all I've seen. | 19:23 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ hasn't looked at the etherpads; wonders if there's anything there | 19:23 | |
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| * diablo_rojo never had the links to them in the first place | 19:24 | |
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| diablo_rojo | I have been listening in on Tripleo's meetings and answering questions where I can with them | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | iirc someone linked one on the list once, will see if I can dig them up. | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-storyboard | 19:25 |
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| diablo_rojo | Doesn't look like anything new | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks for the link zara_the_lemur__ ! | 19:26 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yw :) | 19:27 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, I see nothing dramatic there | 19:28 |
| * SotK neither | 19:28 | |
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| SotK | anything else or shall we end this meeting here? | 19:32 |
| diablo_rojo | I dont think so but to plead for reviews :) | 19:33 |
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| * SotK will get on it :) | 19:34 | |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 19:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 28 19:34:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-06-28-19.01.html | 19:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-06-28-19.01.txt | 19:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-06-28-19.01.log.html | 19:34 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks! | 19:34 |
| fungi | thanks everyone! | 19:35 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #startmeeting wos_mentoring | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 28 20:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen_alt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: wos_mentoring)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'wos_mentoring' | 20:00 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi who's here for women of openstack mentoring | 20:00 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 20:01 |
| MeganR | Hi | 20:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks for the new invite I just saw now lol :) | 20:01 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Kendall, Hi Megan! | 20:01 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I think Nicole is off at Intel Kid's day so she won't be on | 20:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh fun :) | 20:02 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so I think we had a few topics from last week: 1. sydney planning if amrith was on 2. restructuring the long term mentoring program so there are fewer no shows and 3. restructuring mentor/mentee check ins so they're more helpful | 20:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds right to me :) | 20:05 |
| MeganR | ok, I need to mention that I have a hard stop in 30 min - sorry | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | so #topic restructuring the long term mentoring program | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | #topic restructuring the long term mentoring program | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "restructuring the long term mentoring program (Meeting topic: wos_mentoring)" | 20:05 | |
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| ekhugen_alt | last week the discussion was that maybe we should check in more often with mentors/mentees (once every 2 months?) and instead of just an "are you there?" email, make it more helpful to the relationship | 20:06 |
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| MeganR | more helpful as in checking to see how things are working, are we looking for specific feedback? | 20:07 |
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| ekhugen_alt | MeganR I think the idea is can we do something in the checkin to help the mentor/mentee grow their relationship | 20:08 |
| ekhugen_alt | instead of just "reply if you're still meeting" | 20:08 |
| MeganR | That makes a lot of sense | 20:09 |
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| ekhugen_alt | on the flip side, keeping track of who's still in the program, giving people a reasonable buffer for vacation/sickness before we kick them out, rematching, etc eats up a lot of time, so we also have to make that easier | 20:09 |
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| diablo_rojo | Agreed. | 20:14 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so, any ideas on either problem? | 20:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Its difficult to minimize work on our end and make it a meaningful and useful for them. | 20:15 |
| diablo_rojo | I think the reply if you are still meeting is a good way to go | 20:15 |
| ekhugen_alt | could we turn it around and say they need to check in with us? | 20:16 |
| diablo_rojo | 2 months I think is a good time period unless we want to switch off who is checking in to lighten the load on us | 20:16 |
| diablo_rojo | We could. It might be harder for them to remember though? | 20:16 |
| diablo_rojo | I like that it gives us a lot lighter load :) | 20:17 |
| ekhugen_alt | that's true | 20:17 |
| ekhugen_alt | can we give them fewer chances? like not a three strikes policy but like a one strike policy? | 20:17 |
| ekhugen_alt | "if you don't reply in 7 days we unmatch you" or is that too harsh from a perspective of vacation, etc? | 20:18 |
| MeganR | are we ccing the mentor as well - could either respond that they are active | 20:18 |
| ekhugen_alt | yes, I think it's been okay for either to respond | 20:20 |
| ekhugen_alt | honestly we've had as much trouble with mentors as mentees being MIA | 20:21 |
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| diablo_rojo | In my experience finite numbers and due dates are incredibly helpful. | 20:21 |
| MeganR | then I think 7 days is fine, true both could be on vacation at the same time, but the chances are better of having one respond in that time | 20:22 |
| MeganR | totally agree on the finite dates! | 20:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah either one can respond and we'd call it good | 20:22 |
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| ekhugen_alt | how often do we want to do these heartbeat checks? I think the past round we asked them to respond when they got matched, then asked them a couple months later if they were still meeting? | 20:25 |
| ekhugen_alt | ^ heartbeat check = does the mentoring relationship have a pulse or not | 20:25 |
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| MeganR | I think 2 months is good | 20:26 |
| diablo_rojo | I'd say at start and every 2 months | 20:26 |
| diablo_rojo | Graduation at a year? | 20:26 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think we'd talked last week about either 6 months or a year, so yes, that works | 20:30 |
| ekhugen_alt | MeganR do you need to leave now, should we table discussion to next meeting? | 20:30 |
| MeganR | Sorry, I need to drop - we can table it, or I can also review the meeting notes | 20:31 |
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| diablo_rojo | I'm flexible :) | 20:31 |
| ekhugen_alt | we can keep talking if you have more ideas diablo_rojo I'm guessing we won't come to any conclusions until we have a few more people on | 20:32 |
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| diablo_rojo | Do we want to start clearing up the form to sign up? | 20:34 |
| diablo_rojo | If not we can wait | 20:34 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think last week we talked about taking out preferred working style, how often they want to meet, communication style preference? | 20:35 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, tabling to 2 weeks from now, since next week is a US holiday on Tuesday | 20:45 |
| ekhugen_alt | #endmeeting | 20:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 28 20:45:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-06-28-20.00.html | 20:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-06-28-20.00.txt | 20:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-06-28-20.00.log.html | 20:45 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks! | 20:45 |
| diablo_rojo | thanks ekhugen_alt ! | 20:47 |
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