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| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 12 01:01:39 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:01 |
| joehuang | hello | 01:01 |
| hejiawei | hi | 01:01 |
| Yipei | hi | 01:01 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:01 | |
| zhiyuan | hi | 01:01 |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 01:02 |
| dongfeng | hi | 01:02 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 01:02 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 01:02 |
| hejiawei | #info hejiawei | 01:02 |
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| RonghUI | #info ronghui | 01:02 |
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| xuzhuang | #info xuzhuang | 01:02 |
| joehuang | #topic feature implementation review | 01:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "feature implementation review (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:02 | |
| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 01:02 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 01:03 |
| joehuang | the pike-3 is approching | 01:03 |
| joehuang | the date is july 28 | 01:03 |
| joehuang | let's have a short review for the ongoing development features | 01:03 |
| dongfeng | for me, the pagination feature for routing is under review. | 01:04 |
| joehuang | to dongfeng, yes, almost done | 01:05 |
| xuzhuang | for job pagination, paginate_query has finished, and some test cases has added, now I need to modify the code after your review | 01:05 |
| dongfeng | en, a question left there after your comment. | 01:05 |
| zhiyuan | the spec for smoke test has been merged, hopefully the patches for single/multiple gateway topology test can be merged in Pike | 01:05 |
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| Yipei | for lbaas, already finish installing octavia in multiple pods, plan to test lbaas across instances of different subnets | 01:07 |
| joehuang | @dongfeng, ok, so should we support sort filter in the api request | 01:07 |
| dongfeng | to joe, for simplicity, sort by id is more simple | 01:07 |
| Yipei | for importing external network, already begin coding | 01:07 |
| joehuang | to zhiyuan, smoke test landing is very important to guarantee the code quality, so it'll be put with high priority | 01:08 |
| yinxiulin | the sfc's update patch is under review | 01:08 |
| joehuang | to Yipei, great progress | 01:08 |
| joehuang | hope LBaaS can work soon for multi-pod | 01:08 |
| Yipei | ok, got it. i will make it | 01:09 |
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| joehuang | how do you guys think about the pagination sort key? | 01:09 |
| dongfeng | if we sort by a key, then this key will served as marker. | 01:09 |
| joehuang | how about server pagination and port pagination? | 01:10 |
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| dongfeng | currently marker is hardcoded to id. | 01:10 |
| dongfeng | what's the requirement for server pagination and port pagination? | 01:11 |
| joehuang | I meant do you have an idea about the server pagination/port pagination to deal with sort | 01:12 |
| zhiyuan | according to https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/pagination_filter_sort.html | 01:12 |
| zhiyuan | the sort key is usually the ID of the item, but not require to | 01:12 |
| zhiyuan | this page also talks about ID: https://developer.openstack.org/api-guide/compute/paginated_collections.html | 01:13 |
| zhiyuan | "The ``marker`` parameter is the ID of the last item in the previous list. By default, the service sorts items by create time in descending order. When the service cannot identify a create time, it sorts items by ID.The ``marker`` parameter is the ID of the last item in the previous list. By default, the service sorts items by create time in descending order. When the service cannot identify a | 01:14 |
| zhiyuan | create time, it sorts items by ID." | 01:14 |
| joehuang | By default, the service sorts items by create time in descending order | 01:16 |
| hejiawei | for qos, xiongqiu will update it tonight. | 01:16 |
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| joehuang | for routing table, because the id is bigint, so desceding is fine | 01:17 |
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| joehuang | from latest one to the oldest one | 01:17 |
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| joehuang | sorry, from the last one to the first one | 01:18 |
| dongfeng | you mean like 4 3 2 1 ？ | 01:18 |
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| zhiyuan | yes, just change "asc" to "desc" | 01:18 |
| joehuang | when you check, you often want to know the new added items | 01:19 |
| dongfeng | so, filter won't contain sorts? | 01:19 |
| joehuang | so descending is more reasonable | 01:19 |
| dongfeng | ok, I will change sort direction. | 01:19 |
| dongfeng | currently id representation can denote creation time | 01:21 |
| joehuang | ok | 01:22 |
| dongfeng | then I will hardcoded sort key to id. change its direction to desc. | 01:23 |
| joehuang | for qos, the patch needs to fix the issue in gate/check test, for example pep8 | 01:24 |
| joehuang | and functional test | 01:24 |
| joehuang | reviewers only do review if a patch passes all test | 01:25 |
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| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 01:27 |
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| joehuang | topic to discuss? | 01:27 |
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| dongfeng | no for me | 01:27 |
| RonghUI | no for me | 01:28 |
| Yipei | no | 01:28 |
| zhiyuan | no | 01:28 |
| xuzhuang | no for me | 01:28 |
| joehuang | #info reviewers only do review if a patch passes all test | 01:29 |
| joehuang | fine, let's end the meeting, and discuss in #openstack-tricicle if needed | 01:29 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 01:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 01:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 12 01:29:56 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-07-12-01.01.html | 01:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-07-12-01.01.txt | 01:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-07-12-01.01.log.html | 01:30 |
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| dkushwaha | o/ | 04:34 |
| YanXing_an | o/ | 04:34 |
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| dkushwaha | YanXing_an: tung_doan hi | 04:35 |
| tbh_ | dkushwaha, meeting started? | 04:35 |
| tung_doan | dkushwaha: no meeting, today? | 04:35 |
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| YanXing_an | wait a minute | 04:35 |
| dkushwaha | tbh_: not yet | 04:36 |
| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 04:36 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 12 04:36:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:36 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:36 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 04:36 |
| gongysh | #topic roll call | 04:37 |
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| dkushwaha | o/ | 04:37 |
| YanXing_an | o/ | 04:37 |
| tbh_ | o/ | 04:37 |
| tung_doan | o/ | 04:37 |
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| gongysh | welcome everyone | 04:39 |
| gongysh | #topic bp | 04:39 |
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| gongysh | what is the progress for mistral action policy? | 04:39 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, hi | 04:39 |
| gongysh | do we have any progress? | 04:39 |
| gongysh | I haven't seen there is patch coming. | 04:40 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh: I have pushed a wip patch for mistral re-factoring https://review.openstack.org/482753 | 04:40 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh: and will push patch over this | 04:41 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, ok, that's fine. | 04:41 |
| gongysh | fix the patch as soon as possible please. | 04:42 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: sure, it seems multiple mistral related duplicate code, so needs cleanup | 04:42 |
| tung_doan | Hi cores, please review/merge this patch in tacker-horizon. Currently, tacker-horizon cannot work: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481959/ | 04:42 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an, do you have any progress on ns with vnffg? | 04:43 |
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| YanXing_an | Sorry for no updation on it | 04:43 |
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| YanXing_an | i am on business after last IRC, fixing some urgent issues. | 04:44 |
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| dkushwaha | tung_doan: needs Django expert. :) | 04:45 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434974/ | 04:46 |
| gongysh | do you have any code patch for this? | 04:46 |
| tung_doan | dkushwaha: :)) just need your try | 04:46 |
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| trinaths | o/ | 04:47 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: i am still coding locally. Possibility I will upload patch this week | 04:47 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, ok | 04:48 |
| gongysh | #topic coding patch | 04:48 |
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| trinaths | tung_doan: the horizon fix did not work for me | 04:48 |
| trinaths | tung_doan: please revisit the dix | 04:48 |
| trinaths | *fix | 04:48 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481959/ | 04:48 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: thanks. need your try as well | 04:48 |
| gongysh | it seems tung_doan and trinaths have different experience on it. | 04:49 |
| tung_doan | trinaths: It worked ok for me. Another guy already confirmed that. Not sure about your issue | 04:49 |
| trinaths | gongysh: i have installed fresh devstack based single node setup. horizon went wrong from tacker. | 04:50 |
| trinaths | tung_doan: okay. let me give a try today. | 04:50 |
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| tung_doan | trinaths: thanks :) | 04:50 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: My colleague will join with us from now on. Firstly, he will try to support us with vnffg-scaling feature. We also has plan to wrap this bp soon | 04:52 |
| gongysh | it seems gitreview hangs now. | 04:52 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: YanXing_an: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469975/ | 04:53 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462690/ | 04:54 |
| gongysh | it is ok if we will fix the tosca parser. | 04:54 |
| gongysh | pleas file a bug to remember it. | 04:54 |
| YanXing_an | tung_doan, welcome to your colleague | 04:55 |
| tung_doan | sure. i will file bug now :) | 04:56 |
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| tung_doan | YanXing_an: thanks. :) | 04:56 |
| phuoc_ | Nice to meet all of you | 04:57 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, I remember we have problem on scale beyond the number of heat group. | 04:57 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: yep. it is about selective VDUs | 04:57 |
| YanXing_an | phuoc_, welcome | 04:57 |
| dkushwaha | phuoc_: welcome | 04:58 |
| tung_doan | tbh_: said we will offload this to heat-trabslator | 04:58 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, can you file a bug about scaling beyond numbers? | 04:58 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: dkushwaha: yeeahh... :) | 04:58 |
| phuoc_ | YangXing, Dkushwaha thank :) | 04:58 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, welcome. | 04:58 |
| tbh_ | tung_doan: sorry I haven't worked on it yet | 04:59 |
| phuoc_ | Gongysh thank :) | 04:59 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, can you file a bug about scaling beyond numbers? | 04:59 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: that seems to be up to heat-translator. I need to time to deeply look into this path. | 05:00 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, first file a bug so that we will not forget it. | 05:00 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: sure.. i am filing this | 05:00 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: we had another choice for that issue. Using senling could overcome this issue | 05:01 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, if we cannot fix it, we will need to remove the heat option. | 05:01 |
| gongysh | senlin's integration is too slow. | 05:02 |
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| gongysh | we have no one working on it. and that author does not join meeting either. | 05:02 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: yep.. this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449471/11 | 05:02 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: in fact, this patch need the scaling fix in Tacker, therefore i hope we can launch my patch soon: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462690/ | 05:03 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh: i will ping author for the same | 05:05 |
| tung_doan | dkushwaha: +1 | 05:05 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, give your tosca parser bug at that patch. | 05:05 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: yes.. I will file that bug in tosca-parser and fix it by myself :) | 05:06 |
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| gongysh | and reply my comment. I will review again. | 05:06 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: got it | 05:06 |
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| gongysh | these are from my side. | 05:07 |
| gongysh | do you guys have any bug or codes to talk? | 05:08 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, i have no much time on vnffg of ns before 7.24 due to that unexpected issues, please knowing it | 05:08 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, got it. | 05:09 |
| gongysh | #topic open discussion | 05:09 |
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| dkushwaha | YanXing_an: http://paste.openstack.org/show/615099/ | 05:09 |
| dkushwaha | YanXing_an: while creating vnf, getting this traces, any clue? | 05:10 |
| YanXing_an | the tenant account is the one creating the vim? | 05:11 |
| dkushwaha | yup, i have just prepared env with stack.sh and trying to create | 05:12 |
| YanXing_an | in devstack, the default vim is created in nfv_user account | 05:12 |
| phuoc_ | YanXing, i got this issue too | 05:12 |
| phuoc_ | when I i switch to nfv_user, i can't list any vim | 05:13 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, phuoc_ use your own account to create a vim and to create the vnf with this vim. | 05:13 |
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| gongysh | since CI passed, it seems you guys have some mis-usage. | 05:14 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh: sure, i will try again, but actually I am using admin privilege so it should not be failed | 05:15 |
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| gongysh | openstack summit topic acceptance is close to deadline | 05:16 |
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| gongysh | so please do it quickly if you have topic to summit. | 05:16 |
| YanXing_an | this limitation is mainly due to barbican, even admin privilege can not access other account's secrets by default policy. | 05:16 |
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| trinaths | gongysh: we have 4 proposals for summit | 05:17 |
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| gongysh | trinaths, you are proposal specialist. | 05:17 |
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| YanXing_an | trinaths, great | 05:17 |
| trinaths | gongysh: :) we are all such specialist | 05:18 |
| trinaths | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker_sydney_summit_proposals_2017 | 05:18 |
| trinaths | the porposal page | 05:18 |
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| tung_doan | trinaths: great job :) | 05:18 |
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| gongysh | anything else? | 05:18 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh: PTG? | 05:19 |
| trinaths | please add your proposals to that etherpad and we will submit them before the deadline | 05:19 |
| YanXing_an | we can add all proposals in that etherpad | 05:19 |
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| gongysh | what is the codename for next openstack release? | 05:20 |
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| trinaths | Queen | 05:20 |
| dkushwaha | Q | 05:20 |
| gongysh | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-queen-grooming | 05:20 |
| gongysh | we will have a virtual meeting | 05:20 |
| trinaths | nice | 05:21 |
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| gongysh | and please keep up reviewing | 05:22 |
| gongysh | lets decide PTG time | 05:24 |
| gongysh | who knows the date of community PTG? | 05:24 |
| dkushwaha | 11-15 | 05:25 |
| dkushwaha | sept | 05:25 |
| dkushwaha | i guess | 05:25 |
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| YanXing_an | yes. September 11-15th 2017, Denver | 05:27 |
| gongysh | The second Project Teams Gathering (PTG) will be hosted in Denver, September 11-15, 2017 | 05:27 |
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| gongysh | we will do it at the same time. | 05:28 |
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| gongysh | ok thanks everyone. | 05:29 |
| gongysh | please keep up the efforts. | 05:29 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 05:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 12 05:29:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-07-12-04.36.html | 05:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-07-12-04.36.txt | 05:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-07-12-04.36.log.html | 05:29 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 07:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 12 07:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 07:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the 0700 swift team meeting? | 07:00 |
| mahatic | o/ | 07:00 |
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| notmyname | mahatic: I know there's more than just you here right now ;-) | 07:01 |
| kota_ | hello | 07:01 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 07:01 |
| mahatic | notmyname: lol, I'm waiting for other hellos too | 07:01 |
| rledisez | o/ | 07:01 |
| acoles | hello | 07:01 |
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| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 07:01 |
| jeffli | o/ | 07:01 |
| notmyname | I wonder if christian will be here. doesn't seem like he's on irc | 07:01 |
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| notmyname | welcome, everyone | 07:02 |
| notmyname | since I'm chairing both the 0700 and the 2100 meeting today, we've got the same agenda for both :-) | 07:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 07:03 |
| notmyname | #topic Denver PTG | 07:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Denver PTG (Meeting topic: swift)" | 07:03 | |
| notmyname | reminder that the PTG is coming up | 07:03 |
| notmyname | if you are able to attend, please make sure you are registered and have hotel room (do it soon. do it today) | 07:04 |
| notmyname | we're collecting topics at... | 07:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-ptg-queens | 07:04 |
| notmyname | so please add your ideas/curent work/hopes/dreams/fears/thoughts to it | 07:05 |
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| notmyname | hi cschwede!! | 07:05 |
| cschwede | Hi notmyname! | 07:05 |
| notmyname | cschwede: we were just starting to talk about the ptg | 07:05 |
| notmyname | so seeing as everyone here except me lives *outside* the US and the ptg is inside the US, are there any particular things I can help with? anyone know already they won't be able to go? | 07:06 |
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| notmyname | I take the silence to mean that I'll see you all in person in denver at the ptg :-) | 07:07 |
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| mahatic | I won't be able to go | 07:08 |
| psachin | o/ | 07:08 |
| notmyname | mahatic: I'm sorry to hear that | 07:08 |
| kota_ | no problem, right now from Japan/my company :-) | 07:08 |
| acoles | mahatic: :( | 07:08 |
| kota_ | mahatic: :( | 07:08 |
| notmyname | if anyone is choosing either the PTG or the summit in sydney, please choose the PTG. this definitely includes swift ops people | 07:08 |
| notmyname | please keep looking at the etherpad and add stuff as you have ideas | 07:10 |
| notmyname | #topic bug triage follow-up | 07:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug triage follow-up (Meeting topic: swift)" | 07:10 | |
| notmyname | cschwede: I'm putting you on the spot a little bit here :-) | 07:10 |
| cschwede | notmyname: heh, thx :) | 07:11 |
| notmyname | at the last 0700 meeting you had some things you said you'd follow up on | 07:11 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: "i'll have a look at Seans work, and on automating LP in general and will follow up in next weeks meeting | 07:11 |
| notmyname | cschwede to start etherpad for bug tag ideas, investigate automation of LP bug state changes and report in next meeting" | 07:11 |
| cschwede | yes, so i played a bit with the tools written by Sean Dague (https://github.com/sdague/nova-bug-tools). These are pretty cool already, and we could use them IMO to automate quite a bit | 07:11 |
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| notmyname | what kind of things will it automate? | 07:12 |
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| notmyname | #link https://github.com/sdague/nova-bug-tools#existing-tools | 07:12 |
| cschwede | for example, closing very old bugs without any changes in the last XXX days (would be my first choice to execute) or cleanup in progress bugs that got a fix | 07:12 |
| notmyname | cool, those would both be good | 07:13 |
| cschwede | also link missing reviews to bugs (ie where the automation in Gerrit failed because it was not the first patchset) | 07:13 |
| notmyname | have you done any dry-run of those yet to see how many bugs they would impact? | 07:13 |
| cschwede | all of this needs some consensus, ie what do we want to close for example | 07:14 |
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| cschwede | yes, it's a large number ;) | 07:14 |
| kota_ | sounds nice, it has dry-run | 07:14 |
| cschwede | if one uses the default of 6 months, it would be 292 closed bugs | 07:15 |
| notmyname | of 434 | 07:15 |
| cschwede | yes :) | 07:15 |
| notmyname | did you check 12 months? | 07:15 |
| cschwede | but i think 6 months might be to hard | 07:15 |
| acoles | cschwede: +1 for this "link missing reviews to bugs " | 07:15 |
| cschwede | 12 months / 365 days would be 173 bugs | 07:16 |
| notmyname | I agree with acoles. linking bugs to gerrit would be fantastic | 07:17 |
| cschwede | i can paste the "to-be-closed" bugs to an etherpad, so we can do some spot checks before executing the script | 07:17 |
| notmyname | since we're not in person, here's my off-the-top-of-my-head thoughts... | 07:18 |
| acoles | re closing old bugs - presumably with some other conditions (like status != confirmed, importance < high)? our two highest importance bugs right now are >12 months old | 07:19 |
| notmyname | great! close some old bugs. make the old list tractable. oh, but what if the old bugs are valid. we should check them. but if we check them, why do we need a script... | 07:19 |
| cschwede | "Could not submit your paste because your paste contains spam." | 07:19 |
| cschwede | thanks etherpad... | 07:19 |
| notmyname | have you considered not pasting spam? | 07:19 |
| notmyname | ;-)_ | 07:19 |
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| mahatic | :D | 07:20 |
| cschwede | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/615112/ | 07:20 |
| cschwede | i can add some checks for != confirmed and low importance and repost the list of to-be-closed bugs | 07:21 |
| acoles | what's wrong with spam paste? it sounds quite tasty ;) | 07:21 |
| mahatic | I'm not sure if right away closing bugs which has importance<high is a good thing to do. We still want "medium" priority bugs to get some attention I suppose | 07:21 |
| cschwede | notmyname: that's a risk, but i'd say it's a minor one. if there is no update within 12 months, not yet confirmed and low prio it should be safe to close. can add a message like "reopen if you think this is wrong" or sth like that | 07:22 |
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| acoles | mahatic: oh, I was not suggesting <high as an appropriate condition, I was just suggesting conditions. sorry if i confused. | 07:23 |
| notmyname | the option is close or not close? | 07:23 |
| notmyname | maybe a half-measure would be to set it to needs info? | 07:23 |
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| cschwede | yeah, i think i can easily modify the script to do that | 07:24 |
| acoles | we should not close bugs marked as wish-list, right? | 07:24 |
| cschwede | true | 07:24 |
| notmyname | hmm... yeah, spot checking just the titles of them, it's obvious that some are done, some are still important, and some are going to take some time to actually figure out | 07:25 |
| notmyname | eg https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1559347 is likely done (based on the title). ie we do concurrent reads now | 07:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1559347 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) " Add concurrent reads option to proxy" [Undecided,New] | 07:25 |
| cschwede | looks like many really old bugs are in state new | 07:25 |
| cschwede | so it might help to add the reviews first | 07:26 |
| mahatic | acoles: np! I read the follow on convo a bit later, looks like that's not what we're gonna d | 07:26 |
| mahatic | do* | 07:26 |
| notmyname | cschwede: yeah, I definitely think linking bugs with gerrit would be the first thing to do | 07:26 |
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| cschwede | what we could also do is to create an etherpad with bugs in NEW, and a bunch of volunteers grab parts of that list. so everyone tackles 10 or so bugs, and we avoid duplicate work | 07:27 |
| notmyname | does anyone else feel like doing the automated process to a huge number of bugs is somehow wrong? or giving up? | 07:28 |
| notmyname | I completely understand that there are hundreds of bugs that haven't been looked at in over six months | 07:28 |
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| cschwede | let's do the following (if you agree): | 07:29 |
| cschwede | 1. search for existing gerrit reviews and link them (ie bug NEW -> some other state) | 07:29 |
| cschwede | 2. run tool to close fixed bugs (merged gerrit reviews), but as a dry-run -> save list | 07:29 |
| cschwede | 3. dry-run close-bug script with low prio and still in new and > 365 days; save that list for review | 07:30 |
| acoles | notmyname: I think it has already been useful if only to present us with a different view of the status quo. But I am nervous about a mass cull. | 07:30 |
| cschwede | 4. discuss again if it makes sense to close that list from 3. | 07:30 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: when do we close the list from step 2? | 07:31 |
| cschwede | after we reviewed it (should be fine, but at least looking at the titles could help to spot any issues) | 07:32 |
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| notmyname | what are everyone else's thoughts? acoles, mahatic, m_kazuhiro, kota_, rledisez, mathiasb? | 07:32 |
| notmyname | oh, jeffli (sorry) | 07:33 |
| acoles | cschwede: on point 3, low prio means precisely Importance=Low?? so Wishlist is not included? | 07:33 |
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| mahatic | I think it's good. Agree with acoles that it definitely presents a different (better IMO) view of status quo. And so long as we initially take a look at the list before running the script to close, it seems quite helpful | 07:34 |
| cschwede | acoles: we can exclude any bugs with tags (not only wishlist, but also low-hanging-fruit etc) | 07:34 |
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| cschwede | btw, there are 18 bugs mostly in new that can be easily linked with existing gerrit reviews | 07:34 |
| mathiasb | I agree with mahatic and acoles | 07:35 |
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| kota_ | on step 1, the list for bugs we're looking for the gerrit patches is the paste above? | 07:35 |
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| kota_ | http://paste.openstack.org/show/615112/ i mean | 07:35 |
| cschwede | kota_: no, that's the list with bugs without any update in the last 6 months | 07:35 |
| kota_ | i see | 07:35 |
| acoles | step 1 seems like an obvious win | 07:36 |
| kota_ | so we may need the list for the bugs with *new* status | 07:36 |
| kota_ | just asking to LP, maybe :P | 07:36 |
| acoles | step 2. I would hope is a short list (I had always thought that released fixes closed bugs) | 07:36 |
| cschwede | kota_: i can do that with the tools | 07:37 |
| cschwede | acoles: only if the bug was linked on the first review | 07:37 |
| kota_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field | 07:37 |
| kota_ | .has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search | 07:37 |
| kota_ | oops | 07:37 |
| kota_ | the link looks broken | 07:38 |
| notmyname | gotta love gerrit urls ;-) | 07:38 |
| notmyname | oh, those are launchpad | 07:38 |
| kota_ | https://goo.gl/X4f44b | 07:38 |
| acoles | cschwede: yeah, I knew that first review linked to launchpad, but somehow I had hoped that on merge there was another cross-check. But IDK for sure | 07:38 |
| notmyname | crazy idea: get openstack community to use tools with reasonable, pastable URLs ;-) | 07:38 |
| cschwede | acoles: there isn't :/ | 07:38 |
| kota_ | notmyname: yeah, searching the bug reports with NEW status | 07:38 |
| acoles | cschwede: in which case +100 for step 2 :) | 07:39 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: I think your plan sounds great | 07:39 |
| notmyname | there's clearly some details (eg acoles is wise to bring up the specific levels instead of <) | 07:39 |
| notmyname | but I think we should start working through it | 07:40 |
| cschwede | let me do the following: i dry-run all the scripts, save the output and create an etherpad with task that could be done and the affected bugs | 07:40 |
| notmyname | that sounds great. thanks | 07:40 |
| mahatic | cschwede: +1, thank you | 07:40 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: if you have a chance to do that today, I'll include the links in teh 2100 meeting. if not, that's ok, but I'll go over the general plan then, too | 07:41 |
| mattoliverau | Ops, sorry forgot about meeting, was stuck at post office trying pick up the power pack that they said I wasn't home to deliver, when I was in fact at home. | 07:41 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: welcome | 07:41 |
| cschwede | notmyname: i'll do that this morning, will send you a mail afterwards | 07:41 |
| notmyname | ok | 07:41 |
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| notmyname | ok, two other topics, I think we can get through | 07:41 |
| notmyname | #topic docs migrations | 07:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs migrations (Meeting topic: swift)" | 07:41 | |
| notmyname | this is mostly an FYI topic | 07:42 |
| acoles | There are many reasons for how we got to this situation but one of them is that I sometimes do not feel confident to *unilaterally* mark a bug as Invalid or Wishlist. I wish there was a voting scheme on launchpad so we could form consensus. | 07:42 |
| notmyname | acoles: I can definitely sympathize with that | 07:42 |
| acoles | notmyname: oops, we moved on, docs... | 07:43 |
| notmyname | the docs that the docs team has been managing are moving into each respective project | 07:43 |
| notmyname | this means that we're taking on a lot more docs in our repo | 07:43 |
| notmyname | while this set of work was prompted by bad circumstances (ie layoffs), the end result is very very good | 07:44 |
| notmyname | I've been working on the migration, and there will be a few more patches for the import | 07:44 |
| notmyname | so here's the high-level view | 07:44 |
| notmyname | first, there will be an import. there's been some patches already, and there will be a few more | 07:44 |
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| notmyname | the import will result in a lot of duplication and awareness of stale docs. we can update and refactor *after* the import | 07:45 |
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| notmyname | also, in conjunction with the docs import, there is a general restructuring of the docs in each project | 07:45 |
| notmyname | you know how we currently have several docs trees, several docs jobs, etc? | 07:46 |
| notmyname | all that's going away | 07:46 |
| notmyname | we will have one docs directory. one conf.py | 07:46 |
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| mattoliverau | \o/ nice, I docs root to rule them all | 07:46 |
| notmyname | and all the stuff that's currently in it (ie the "developer docs") will be moved, along with the imports from the docs team | 07:46 |
| notmyname | this does mean that a lot of existing pages will move. this means links will break | 07:47 |
| notmyname | that's sad | 07:47 |
| notmyname | but we're doing it anyway | 07:47 |
| notmyname | because the end result is really really good | 07:47 |
| notmyname | we (ie us here, the swift team) will have one place where we manage docs | 07:48 |
| notmyname | if we want to add something, we can | 07:48 |
| mahatic | nice | 07:48 |
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| notmyname | if we want to delete something, we can | 07:48 |
| notmyname | if we want to do whatever, we can | 07:48 |
| mattoliverau | Also having it all in our repo means I can submit a patch to change everything to the queen's English, and acoles can +2 ;p | 07:48 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: soooper | 07:48 |
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| mattoliverau | Or would that be a translation :p | 07:48 |
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| acoles | lol | 07:48 |
| mahatic | lol @translation | 07:49 |
| notmyname | it also means that all the docs can be updates with a patch that actually implements stuff! | 07:49 |
| mattoliverau | Yeah that's a big +1 | 07:49 |
| mahatic | yay | 07:49 |
| notmyname | all the existing high-level references (eg api guide, install guide, etc) will link into our singular docs tree | 07:49 |
| notmyname | which also means we will have one and only one docs job | 07:49 |
| notmyname | *gate job | 07:50 |
| notmyname | you build docs. that's it. don't have to ask "which docs?". just docs. done | 07:50 |
| acoles | notmyname: will it be possible to build subsets of docs (for speed, when working on a patch)? | 07:50 |
| notmyname | no | 07:50 |
| notmyname | only one job | 07:51 |
| notmyname | well, maybe you could run sphinx-build locally to do a subset. if you learn how, you can teach us all :-) | 07:51 |
| acoles | nerd swipe alert | 07:51 |
| notmyname | but no that's not part of the design of the end goal | 07:51 |
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| notmyname | any quick questions about the docs stuff? I also want to briefly cover upcoming releases | 07:52 |
| notmyname | ok | 07:52 |
| notmyname | #topic upcoming releases | 07:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "upcoming releases (Meeting topic: swift)" | 07:53 | |
| notmyname | I updated the priority reviews page | 07:53 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 07:53 |
| notmyname | to have sections for the upcoming releases | 07:53 |
| notmyname | ideally, I'd like to tag releases for both swift and swiftclient next week | 07:53 |
| notmyname | I expect that swiftclient will happen before swift itself. I want the two patches mentioned there, though | 07:54 |
| notmyname | patch 449771 could use some eyes | 07:54 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449771/ - python-swiftclient - Buffer reads from disk | 07:54 |
| notmyname | the other (stream stdin) is waiting on the author for a foudn bug | 07:54 |
| notmyname | when those land, I'll do the release | 07:54 |
| notmyname | for swift, it's a little more ... what's the word? "fluid" | 07:55 |
| notmyname | ie the list is longer, and some of the listed things haven't even been started | 07:55 |
| notmyname | the first 2 patches mentioned are important | 07:56 |
| notmyname | patch 448480 needs reviews | 07:56 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448480/ - swift - DB replicator cleanup | 07:56 |
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| notmyname | clay is working on patch 478416 and should have something later this week to review (spoiler: at least a 7x improvement in the ec reconstructor cycle time) | 07:56 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478416/ - swift - WIP: Add multiple worker processes strategy to rec... | 07:56 |
| mattoliverau | Nice! | 07:57 |
| mattoliverau | That's the one we discussed in Boston right? | 07:57 |
| notmyname | the 3 high priority bugs listed aren't blockers, but they are high priority and should be addressed asap. | 07:57 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: I believe so | 07:57 |
| mattoliverau | Well discussed what we could do and was how to implement Romain's thing | 07:57 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yes. multiprocess reconstructor. there's more that we discussed, but this is the first step | 07:57 |
| mattoliverau | Cool, I look forward to that! | 07:58 |
| notmyname | so instead of going down the list of these to ask for reviews (or possibly patch authors!), there's the list. I trust you all to do what you can :-) | 07:58 |
| notmyname | also, the list may be incomplete | 07:58 |
| notmyname | if it is, please update the wiki page and let me know. or let me know and I'll update it | 07:59 |
| notmyname | (while I don't expect there to be another meeting in here at 0800utc, I do want to respect your time) | 07:59 |
| mattoliverau | Also I was involved in reviewing the earlier db replicator critical bug so will find time to look at the follow-up (or cleanup) tho it seems I'm a co author but I'll look anyway :p | 08:00 |
| notmyname | all this sound ok for upcoming releases? any questions? | 08:00 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 08:00 |
| mattoliverau | Yup | 08:00 |
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| acoles | notmyname: sounds good | 08:00 |
| mahatic | sounds good | 08:00 |
| kota_ | +1 | 08:00 |
| notmyname | kota_: rledisez: mahatic: mathiasb: jeffli: m_kazuhiro: cschwede: all good? | 08:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | +1 | 08:01 |
| cschwede | +1 | 08:01 |
| notmyname | great, thanks | 08:01 |
| mahatic | thank you for staying up late and leading the meeting! | 08:01 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 08:01 |
| notmyname | I'm am really happy you're all working on swift. thank you for your work, and I'm looking forward to seeing you in denver :-) | 08:01 |
| jeffli | +1 | 08:01 |
| notmyname | mahatic: I just missed you all :-) | 08:01 |
| acoles | notmyname: sleep well :) | 08:02 |
| notmyname | now! bedtime for me! ;-) | 08:02 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 12 08:02:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:02 |
| jeffli | notmyname: good night | 08:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-07-12-07.00.html | 08:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-07-12-07.00.txt | 08:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-07-12-07.00.log.html | 08:02 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 12 14:01:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 14:01 |
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| kornica | o/ | 14:01 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 14:01 |
| arturb_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| koji | o/ | 14:01 |
| witek | hello | 14:01 |
| kornica | fujitsu's power :D | 14:01 |
| Fdaisuke | o/ | 14:01 |
| hosanai | o/ | 14:01 |
| kornica | oh...not entirely ? | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | hi everyone | 14:02 |
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| rhochmuth | unofrtunately, i'm going to have to drop off shortly | 14:02 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic Monasca fails to meet Pike release goals | 14:03 |
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| rhochmuth | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/pike/index.html | 14:03 |
| kornica | ok, I can go through this I guess | 14:04 |
| rhochmuth | so, this sounds like a but of work | 14:04 |
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| kornica | recently I managed to make monasca-notificiation | 14:04 |
| rhochmuth | thx kornica | 14:04 |
| kornica | so apart from api (which is a real monster...) and agent (for which we need to agree on just one thing) | 14:04 |
| kornica | everything is I guess green | 14:04 |
| kornica | for notification and transform we need to make gates green | 14:05 |
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| kornica | and there's also idea from monasca-transform guys to run tempests under Py3 | 14:05 |
| kornica | but that requires having all APIs Py3 compatible | 14:05 |
| kornica | which is a case only for log-api | 14:05 |
| rhochmuth | i had started work on the api, and agree it was more complicated than i originally thought | 14:05 |
| rhochmuth | i believe others had looked at this too | 14:05 |
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| kornica | I've tried carrying on in this change > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349195/ | 14:06 |
| kornica | but despite all the eforts everytyhing keeps going south around expressions and sqlalachemy | 14:06 |
| kornica | parts | 14:06 |
| kornica | not to mention that green Py27 does mean all is as it was...tempest gate is failing | 14:07 |
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| kornica | so, unless we get more people into this, I strongly doubt api will meet the goal | 14:07 |
| witek | there is also monasca-ui which still doesn't has python 3 support | 14:07 |
| kornica | ah, right | 14:07 |
| kornica | that to | 14:07 |
| kornica | thx | 14:07 |
| witek | we have a story for that: | 14:08 |
| witek | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000975 | 14:08 |
| kornica | thx witek | 14:08 |
| kornica | totally forgot about that | 14:08 |
| witek | so, it would be great to get some hands on ui and api, right? | 14:10 |
| witek | and review notification | 14:10 |
| kornica | from my POV, yeah, +1 | 14:11 |
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| rhochmuth | +1 | 14:11 |
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| kornica | we don't have that much of menpower (or manpower :/) to keep all covered :(...for api it was just me and some of my free time (same as for other components I took care of) but other stuff comes up and might be that this api won't reach py3 | 14:12 |
| kornica | is there someone from HPE that could sit to this maybe ? maybe stratch from scratch, I don't know :/ | 14:13 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm not sure there is | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | i'm wondering about the suse folks | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | i can check with them | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | former hpe folks | 14:15 |
| rhochmuth | while there are hpe folks still working on monasca | 14:15 |
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| rhochmuth | the problem is getting resources on the upstream related issues | 14:16 |
| rhochmuth | like CI | 14:16 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm going to have to drop folks | 14:17 |
| rhochmuth | got to take my dad to airport | 14:18 |
| rhochmuth | didn't realize that needed to be now | 14:18 |
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| kornica | ok...anyway, there's just one thing that you could look after | 14:18 |
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| witek | ok, see you next time | 14:18 |
| kornica | I guess I will need PTL+1 for project-config change to move Py35 to voting | 14:18 |
| rhochmuth | please end the meeting later | 14:18 |
| rhochmuth | thx witek | 14:18 |
| kornica | that'd be all from my side | 14:18 |
| kornica | thx | 14:18 |
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| kornica | cya | 14:18 |
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| witek | #topic reviews | 14:19 |
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| witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479169/ | 14:20 |
| arturb_ | ok , so this is me and Tomasz | 14:20 |
| kornica | yeah, for that we'd need rhochmuth :/ | 14:20 |
| arturb_ | yeah | 14:20 |
| kornica | hopefully he'll read log later and see that cry out for help ^^ | 14:20 |
| arturb_ | but if anybody else is interested this is a first step for monasca-events-api, cleaning the repository | 14:21 |
| witek | this change prepares infrastructure for the restart of the events-api | 14:21 |
| kornica | and CI tooling | 14:21 |
| kornica | well...that infra..I guess | 14:21 |
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| witek | anything else on it? | 14:22 |
| kornica | not really...bunch of deletes and couple additions | 14:22 |
| arturb_ | exactly | 14:22 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482443/ | 14:22 |
| kornica | during testing failing py{27,35} and cover are expected, so don't bother with them | 14:23 |
| kornica | they will kick in once there is actual codebase | 14:23 |
| arturb_ | this is a first draft of new events-api | 14:23 |
| arturb_ | providing new edpoint with body schema and response codes | 14:23 |
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| witek | nice, the api-ref will be published to developers.o.o, right? | 14:24 |
| kornica | that's the goal | 14:24 |
| arturb_ | yep | 14:24 |
| kornica | once we clean the repo | 14:24 |
| kornica | arturb_ will, I guess push to project-config to have the same gate situation (apart from tempest) | 14:25 |
| kornica | as in log-api | 14:25 |
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| witek | for now there is only one resource? | 14:25 |
| kornica | <shining example for other monasca-*> <being modest> | 14:25 |
| kornica | an endpoint ? | 14:25 |
| arturb_ | kornica yes this is the plan after merging the change with clean up the repository | 14:25 |
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| kornica | arturb_, what about endpoints ? | 14:25 |
| kornica | just one for start? | 14:26 |
| arturb_ | there is only one endpoint for start | 14:26 |
| arturb_ | for colecting events in a bulk mode | 14:26 |
| kornica | might be good idea, to either try and see if specs are still used (there are jobs to build those) or mark that part of api-ref as spec | 14:27 |
| kornica | with the rst note or something | 14:27 |
| kornica | witek, any thoughts on that ? | 14:27 |
| kornica | guess we didn't really reach any agreement on specs for new API endpoints... | 14:27 |
| witek | we can switch on the infra jobs and then we'll see if they published correctly | 14:28 |
| kornica | they will be published as long as setup is correct | 14:28 |
| kornica | point is that, what arturb_ is doing, is more or less just a spec | 14:28 |
| kornica | drafting new feature | 14:28 |
| witek | I think it's OK to start like this | 14:29 |
| witek | arturb_ also starts implementing, right? | 14:29 |
| arturb_ | yeah, today i started implementing oslo.policies | 14:29 |
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| arturb_ | the change is in review but still a lot of work | 14:30 |
| arturb_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482837/ | 14:30 |
| arturb_ | this is the change | 14:30 |
| witek | if someone has ideas how the events api for collecting notifications should look like, it's good time to review the spec | 14:30 |
| arturb_ | it would be nice :) | 14:31 |
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| witek | can we move on? | 14:31 |
| arturb_ | witek, yes we can | 14:31 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/480160 | 14:31 |
| kornica | yeah, so that was mentioned before | 14:32 |
| kornica | requires testing inside local VM I guess | 14:32 |
| kornica | as there re no integrating tests for that part | 14:32 |
| kornica | (might be good idea to have them added) | 14:32 |
| witek | would you like to add some? :) | 14:33 |
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| kornica | I can try | 14:33 |
| kornica | actually that's not all that bad | 14:33 |
| kornica | the idea | 14:33 |
| kornica | I think I can start small with simple alarm def, send some metrics and expect that mailbox contains the email | 14:34 |
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| kornica | though I am not really sure if I should setup some fake mail server (which will require a lot of work) | 14:34 |
| kornica | or just try and access /var/mail | 14:34 |
| witek | keep it simple | 14:34 |
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| kornica | kiss | 14:35 |
| kornica | forgot stupid | 14:35 |
| kornica | :D | 14:35 |
| witek | :) | 14:35 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/482892 | 14:35 |
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| kornica | ok, but does that mean | 14:35 |
| kornica | that we're waiting with this | 14:35 |
| kornica | or manual testing and going further | 14:35 |
| kornica | ? | 14:35 |
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| witek | do you want to add the test, or you don't have time? | 14:36 |
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| kornica | I can add the test, but I'd consider that as much have for now | 14:36 |
| witek | I'm fine with leaving it as is | 14:36 |
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| kornica | mailing part (or rather notifying part) and lack of integration tests | 14:36 |
| kornica | is not just a problem of monasca-notification | 14:37 |
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| kornica | so we could have it talked over but looking at this change as Pike goal, I'd ask to just review that by hand | 14:37 |
| witek | works for me | 14:38 |
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| kornica | ok then | 14:38 |
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| witek | https://review.openstack.org/482892 | 14:39 |
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| witek | jenkins -1 | 14:39 |
| kornica | now it isn't :P | 14:39 |
| kornica | (just wait 2-3 minutes) | 14:39 |
| kornica | forgot to remove sth from one plae | 14:39 |
| witek | :) | 14:39 |
| kornica | s/plae/place/g | 14:39 |
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| witek | ok, will give +1 | 14:40 |
| kornica | thx | 14:40 |
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| witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/480030/ | 14:40 |
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| kornica | in overall same thing as already done for log-api | 14:40 |
| kornica | adding tooling needed to start working monasca-api docs in the same format as in log-api | 14:41 |
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| witek | so what documents would be published? | 14:42 |
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| kornica | api-guide | 14:42 |
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| kornica | user (developer) docs | 14:42 |
| kornica | api-ref | 14:42 |
| kornica | releasenotes | 14:42 |
| kornica | as far as I checked that's the overall approach for Openstack | 14:42 |
| kornica | looked for specs, but core projects seems not to have them anymore in trees | 14:43 |
| witek | what is the difference between api-guide and user (developer) docs? | 14:43 |
| kornica | user (dev) docs goes as far as to installing, configuring, dev + review process | 14:44 |
| kornica | some sample code | 14:44 |
| kornica | some project wide policies regarding different activities | 14:44 |
| witek | so basically, landing page for the project, right? | 14:44 |
| witek | like here: https://docs.openstack.org/neutron | 14:45 |
| kornica | while api-guides are some sort of an overview (as far as I understand them) regarding usage of api | 14:45 |
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| kornica | yeah, like landing page | 14:45 |
| kornica | might be actually the best way to describe it | 14:45 |
| amotoki | i am not a monasca folk, but i can comment on doc-migration | 14:46 |
| kornica | yeah ? | 14:46 |
| witek | amotoki: yes please | 14:46 |
| amotoki | the role of user/ or other directories are described here http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/pike/os-manuals-migration.html#proposed-change | 14:46 |
| amotoki | user/ is for end-users of monasca in your case. | 14:46 |
| kornica | hmmm...might be that we good initial idea for us wrong ? | 14:47 |
| amotoki | if you haven't visit the doc-spec, it is better to read it first :) | 14:48 |
| kornica | I mean...is api-guide something that should be covered inside doc/* | 14:48 |
| amotoki | for the api guide, it is not in the first step of the doc-migration. | 14:48 |
| amotoki | it is an option. | 14:49 |
| amotoki | the api guide is optional. IIUC, the API reference is highly recommended (though it is not a part of doc-migration) | 14:49 |
| amotoki | you can have the api-guide either in doc/ or in a separate dir. | 14:50 |
| kornica | that's nice feedback on that for sure | 14:50 |
| witek | so, the new place for API ref is doc/source/api, right? | 14:50 |
| amotoki | you can see "Further discussion of the layout of the api/ and releasenotes/ directories is deferred until we are farther along with the initial migration work. " as a note. | 14:50 |
| kornica | so I think that doc, api-ref and releasenotes can stay as it was | 14:51 |
| amotoki | currently we don't start the migration of the API reference into doc/ yet. | 14:51 |
| amotoki | kornica: exactly | 14:51 |
| kornica | until there's an agreement how to do this | 14:51 |
| kornica | but the point that bugs me is we really need seperate api-guide and seperate jobs | 14:52 |
| kornica | or should the ontent of it be merged into doc/ | 14:52 |
| kornica | we haven't started working on that part | 14:52 |
| kornica | but now I have doubts is it really needed | 14:52 |
| amotoki | kornica: I think API guide and API reference are different. | 14:52 |
| amotoki | right? | 14:53 |
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| kornica | yeah, they are | 14:53 |
| kornica | api-ref is more or less a documented restful api as far as I understand :D | 14:53 |
| kornica | api-guide is though a different beast | 14:53 |
| amotoki | for API guide I think having it in doc/ makes things simpler. | 14:53 |
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| kornica | witek: guess we'll talk this through and see if that's actually a point of interest for us to have it | 14:54 |
| amotoki | for API ref, it currently uses a different sphinx config, so it might be better to have it separately ATM | 14:54 |
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| kornica | might be as amotoki says, to have it inside doc/ | 14:54 |
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| amotoki | kornica: yes | 14:54 |
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| witek | what we definitely should do, is to convert the existing documentation to rst | 14:55 |
| witek | and publish to docs.o.o | 14:55 |
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| kornica | ok, so we'll move as we were with filling doc/ and api-ref (if needed) leaving api-guide in peace for now | 14:56 |
| kornica | fine with that ? | 14:56 |
| witek | kornica: I guess will still have to discuss it | 14:56 |
| kornica | kk | 14:57 |
| kornica | anyway, amotoki really appreciate the input | 14:57 |
| amotoki | kornica: you're welcome | 14:57 |
| witek | amotoki: thanks a lot | 14:57 |
| witek | #topic Documentation [monasca-log-api] live | 14:57 |
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| kornica | just some live examples ;-) | 14:58 |
| witek | apart from the fact that there are many empty pages, I like it a lot :) | 14:58 |
| kornica | phew :D | 14:58 |
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| witek | also, I guess the most information should be included in monasca-api and has reference to monasca-log-api | 14:59 |
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| witek | I guess we have to end here | 15:00 |
| witek | bye everyone | 15:00 |
| kornica | cya | 15:00 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:30 |
| openstack | ttx: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 15:30 |
| ttx | #endmeeting ? | 15:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 12 15:30:56 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-07-12-14.01.html | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-07-12-14.01.txt | 15:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-07-12-14.01.log.html | 15:31 |
| ttx | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 12 15:31:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:31 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:31 |
| ttx | dhellmann, dims: o/ | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | fungi : o/ | 15:31 |
| ttx | Let's try to fit in 30min | 15:31 |
| ttx | Ping list: dims, fungi, tonyb, stevemar, lbragstad | 15:31 |
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| ttx | although the unusual time is likely to mess up with attendance today | 15:31 |
| ttx | #topic Organize next week work | 15:32 |
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| ttx | So I'm traveling to Asia all week, being in planes every other day | 15:32 |
| ttx | which will mess up with my availability to do things | 15:32 |
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| dhellmann | I'll be around | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | I can keep an eye on library releases | 15:32 |
| ttx | We have a number of tasks noted on the tracking doc | 15:32 |
| ttx | I think you can probably cover for all of them ? | 15:33 |
| * dhellmann looks | 15:33 | |
| fungi | oh, right. the meeting moved for this week | 15:33 |
| ttx | I could probably do the two patches | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I can do those | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | the others, I mean | 15:34 |
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| ttx | OK, let's do that | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | you could do the patches this week, really | 15:34 |
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| ttx | Any question re: next week ? | 15:34 |
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| lbragstad | o/ | 15:34 |
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| ttx | yes, will try to :) | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | oh, and I think there were 2 patches before because I messed it up that time but they're the same file so you only need 1 | 15:35 |
| ttx | ok | 15:35 |
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| ttx | #topic Prepare to force releases for: instack and glance-store | 15:35 |
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| ttx | We have two non-client libs that haven't released in Pike yet | 15:35 |
| ttx | For which we may have to force a release on master HEAD | 15:36 |
| ttx | as mentioned in the last countdown email | 15:36 |
| ttx | (I will repeat it again this week) | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | I'm surprised by instack | 15:36 |
| ttx | Might be a mismatch | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:36 |
| ttx | All I know is they have an empty file in openstack/releases deliverables/pike | 15:36 |
| dims | o/ sorry was afk | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | ttx: maybe talk to EmilienM about it? | 15:37 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yeah, although my overlap with him is limited those days | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | I assume the glance-store situation is lack of team members watching | 15:37 |
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| ttx | so better if you or dims ask it | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll try to raise him | 15:37 |
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| ttx | guess we could ping a Glance team member. Or flaper87 | 15:38 |
| ttx | (re: glance-store Pike release before next week deadline) | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | or jokke_ | 15:38 |
| ttx | Keep me posted if the situation changes, so taht I don't shame them in tomorrow's relkease countdown email | 15:38 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 15:39 |
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| ttx | #topic Blurb to add to the countdown email about "Please complete doc migration work" | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | hello | 15:39 |
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| ttx | #undo | 15:39 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic Blurb to add to the countdown email about "Please complete doc migration work" | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | hi, EmilienM, we were just talking about the fact that instack hasn't released yet this cycle, and last week is the last chance to do so | 15:39 |
| ttx | EmilienM: instack next week | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | I'm doing it this week | 15:40 |
| ttx | ok, great | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : great, thanks | 15:40 |
| EmilienM | even today in fact | 15:40 |
| EmilienM | I also need to check with my team - instack is deprecated and we plan to remove it | 15:40 |
| EmilienM | thx for the reminder | 15:40 |
| dims | very little has changed in glance_store (http://stackalytics.com/?module=glance_store&metric=commits), but definitely enough for a fresh cut | 15:40 |
| ttx | #topic Blurb to add to the countdown email about "Please complete doc migration work" | 15:41 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: you mentioned that I should talk about that in next countdown email | 15:41 |
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| ttx | If you have a paragraph I could add, I'll take it | 15:41 |
| ttx | I suspect the situation evolves contanstly :) | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll send you something | 15:41 |
| ttx | constantly | 15:41 |
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| dhellmann | we decided to send a separate email to point out some of the repos that haven't been started, so we may not need it in the release email | 15:42 |
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| ttx | I'll likely send the email at the end of my day on Thursday (off Friday) | 15:42 |
| ttx | ok, just let me know if you want me to mention anything about it | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:42 |
| ttx | #topic Queens Release management PTL candidates ? | 15:42 |
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| ttx | Elections are coming up, I'm fine rotating if anyone feels up to take the hat | 15:43 |
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| ttx | "feels like taking the hat" sounds better | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | I anticipate needing time to continue the docs work, so I won't be running, but I'll still be on the team | 15:43 |
| dims | ttx : dhellmann : i am still trying to figure out how much workload will be on the internal side for new employer.. | 15:44 |
| fungi | heh. pass the hat | 15:44 |
| ttx | I'm fine doing it again. I think dims is busy enough and may have to cover for requirements if nobody shows up there :P | 15:44 |
| dims | y, requirements i can handle :) | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:45 |
| ttx | OK, let's say I'll do it for Queens, with an eye on passing the baton for R | 15:45 |
| ttx | (assuming there are no other candidates) | 15:45 |
| dims | smcginnis any interest in the release work? | 15:46 |
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| smcginnis | dims: I'm game. | 15:46 |
| ttx | smcginnis: aren't you knee-deep in cinder ? | 15:46 |
| dims | cool smcginnis ! | 15:46 |
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| fungi | maybe he wants to pass the hat too | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | ttx: The water level comes and goes. It's manageable. | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | fungi: ;) | 15:47 |
| ttx | By all means if you feel like you can cover it all, I'm more than happy to help you in the job | 15:47 |
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| ttx | It's not as if dhellmanna nd me would go anywhere | 15:48 |
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| ttx | and dims | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | I never intended to be Cinder PTL as long as I have been, but it's not too bad until someone else steps up. | 15:48 |
| dims | ++ smcginnis | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | sure, we'd be here to support | 15:49 |
| ttx | Job is mostly about sending reminders according to the process, holding the meetings, and then take up the work that nobody else takes | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | Not too scary. | 15:49 |
| ttx | (and of course some release request reveiwing) | 15:49 |
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| ttx | Even less scary knowing that dhellmann, dims and myself will be very much around. Actually more available having someone holding the PTLship | 15:50 |
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| dims | ++ ttx | 15:51 |
| ttx | And teh more people know the process the better | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, seems like there would be good support available. | 15:51 |
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| dhellmann | plus, we wrote instructions! | 15:51 |
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| smcginnis | Either way, I'd definitely like to be more involved in the process to be able to help more. | 15:52 |
| fungi | ever evolving instructions | 15:52 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Documentation?! Amazing. :) | 15:52 |
| dims | dhellmann has automated all the stuff too! :) | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : yep, see the process.rst file in the releases repo | 15:52 |
| fungi | which we have a probable update to we can discuss in #openstack-release once the meeting wraps | 15:52 |
| ttx | PROCESS.rst | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | yes, I forgot it's a shouty filename | 15:53 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:53 |
| ttx | because it's a shouty PROCESS | 15:53 |
| fungi | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/releases/tree/PROCESS.rst | 15:53 |
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| fungi | perhaps it's a fortran process | 15:53 |
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| dhellmann | I was typing very hard that day. | 15:53 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 15:53 |
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| dims | safe travels ttx | 15:54 |
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| fungi | smcginnis: noticed that the `tox -e aclmanager -- groups post_release ...` step seems to have been missed for ocata | 15:55 |
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| dhellmann | smcginnis : seriously, take a look through the file and let us know if there are any questions | 15:55 |
| fungi | at least according to http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/releases/tree/PROCESS.rst#n299 that should have put the gerrit groups right for stable branch maintainers | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | hmm | 15:55 |
| ttx | fungi: I just run the prerelease step | 15:55 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Will do, I have it on my list to actually focus some time on this afternoon now. | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | for all repos, or just cinder? (I saw the comment in #openstack-release) | 15:55 |
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| fungi | ttx: oh, so that's a stable maint task? | 15:55 |
| fungi | dhellmann: cinder looks consistent with, e.g., nova | 15:56 |
| dhellmann | well, it might have been the previous PTL's responsibility | 15:56 |
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| fungi | heh | 15:56 |
| dhellmann | that slacker couldn't wait to be done with the release | 15:56 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 15:56 |
| ttx | aclmanager sets the members of the $project-release-branch group in gerrit | 15:56 |
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| fungi | yeah, https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/nova-release-branch for example | 15:57 |
| ttx | Post-release that group needs to contain $project-stable-maint | 15:57 |
| fungi | still just the release managers and nova-release in therwe | 15:57 |
| ttx | Pre-release that group needs to contain $project-release | 15:57 |
| ttx | We are at pre-release stage now | 15:57 |
| fungi | so they're the only ones allowed to approve stable/ocata changes for now | 15:57 |
| ttx | Oh | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | ttx: this is for the ocata branch | 15:57 |
| ttx | That's because we need to approve... | 15:57 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/482951 | 15:57 |
| ttx | first | 15:57 |
| ttx | I did both steps at the same time | 15:57 |
| fungi | yep, i saw that show up in my review queue today and have started looking at it | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | aha | 15:58 |
| fungi | aha! race condition ;) | 15:58 |
| ttx | so yes we should approve that ASAP | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | Isn't that supposed to flip before the next release gets going too far? | 15:58 |
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| fungi | so it's only been broken for a few hours. mystery solved | 15:58 |
| ttx | smcginnis: actually that group is supposed to be used only for stable/pike | 15:58 |
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| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/482951 swwitches it to stable/pike | 15:58 |
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| ttx | but that hasn't merged yet | 15:59 |
| ttx | and yet I updated the group members | 15:59 |
| fungi | was just proposed earlier today | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | ttx: So as soon as Ocata was final, we switch to stable/pike. In preparation for the next release even though it doesn't exist yet? | 15:59 |
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| ttx | let's switch to openstack-release | 15:59 |
| fungi | smcginnis: yep, gerrit is fine having acls that refer to nonexistent refs | 15:59 |
| ttx | htere is another meeting starting now here | 15:59 |
| fungi | thanks ttx! | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | do we have that step out of order in the process? | 15:59 |
| ttx | this needs a rather lengthy explanation | 15:59 |
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| ttx | no | 15:59 |
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| ttx | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 12 16:00:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-07-12-15.31.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-07-12-15.31.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-07-12-15.31.log.html | 16:00 |
| ttx | -> #openstack-release | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 12 16:00:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| Swanson | Hello. | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | Hi | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu | hello! | 16:00 |
| arnewiebalck | hi | 16:00 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello :) | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
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| geguileo | hi! | 16:01 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Hello all. | 16:01 |
| * geguileo is missing the ping };-) | 16:01 | |
| wxy- | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor lhx_ baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov wxy | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | viks ketonne abishop sivn | 16:01 |
| geguileo | thanks! ;-) | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | I need a macro or something | 16:02 |
| _pewp_ | hemna ヘ(°￢°)ノ | 16:02 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:02 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:02 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:02 |
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| abishop | o/ | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | OK, guess we can get going. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Still some open work on merged specs for Pike in there. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | And we're running really low on time. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | So if at all possible, please help with reviews and updates. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | I hope to be a little more proactive this time arround and move merged specs that don't fully land. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Since we've just left them for the most part in the past. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Then people come along a few releases later and ask why it's not working. | 16:04 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: I didn't find API-WG decision as was asked for 'Backup Service Enabled API' - so let's move it to Queens | 16:05 |
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| lhx_ | o/ hi | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: OK, great. Want to propose that? | 16:06 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:06 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: I need to look on it a bit deeper forst | 16:06 |
| e0ne | s/forst/first | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: OK, sounds good. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ptg-queens Planning etherpad for PTG | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | We have a topic planning etherpad started for the PTG. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Please add any topics you think would be good to discuss face to face there. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Hopefully many of you can attend. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Oh, even if you don't have a topic, please add your name if you are planning to attend so we can get an idea of who will be there. | 16:07 |
| e0ne | even if you can't attend - please, add topic you are interesting in | 16:07 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | If you don't think you can, please apply for tsp. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: ;) | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo_phon: Jumping the gun! :D | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/project-teams-gathering-denver-2017-tickets-33219389087 PTG registration | 16:08 |
| e0ne | I think if topic is really important - it should be discussed | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | #link https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/travelsupportptg_denver | 16:08 |
| e0ne | maybe with some hangout session too | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Travel support program is accepting applications. | 16:08 |
| hemna | diablo_rojo_phon, tsp link? | 16:08 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I know it's just important :) | 16:08 |
| * e0ne still is not sure about PTG attandance | 16:08 | |
| smcginnis | If you are involved but are unable to get company funding, please apply for travel support. | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: :( | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | We willd definitely try to stream again. | 16:09 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | hemna smcginnis: has it on the agenda | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | Hopefully with decent audio. | 16:09 |
| hemna | oh yah it still costs $100 to attend | 16:09 |
| e0ne | hemna: $100 + hotel + flight to US :( | 16:09 |
| hemna | yah | 16:09 |
| hemna | thanks for the links | 16:10 |
| Swanson | Swim. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo_phon: Does the TSP cover anything with the registration cost? | 16:10 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Tap can cover all of it. | 16:10 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Tsp | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | Sweet. | 16:10 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Reg, flight and hotel | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | So definitely apply if you need it. | 16:10 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Or some subset | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | #topic Update on mysql/pymysql issues with oslo.db | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update on mysql/pymysql issues with oslo.db (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:11 | |
| smcginnis | No name on this one. Was that you arnewiebalck ? | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Sorry, that was me. | 16:11 |
| arnewiebalck | nope | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Just for awareness. | 16:11 |
| arnewiebalck | not me, I mean :) | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | arnewiebalck: Well, it was you. ;) | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | I talked to the Oslo team about this and they agreed that it was something to improve. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.db/+bug/1692956 | 16:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1692956 in oslo.db "Warn about potentially misconfigured connection string " [Undecided,Fix committed] | 16:12 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:12 |
| * smcginnis marks _alastor_ as tardy | 16:12 | |
| jungleboyj | They will add a warning to logs when the config option is used and they will update the help text to indicate that the option can cause deadlocks. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | gcb was going to push the patch up. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: OK, great. | 16:13 |
| _alastor_ | smcginnis: sorry teach :P | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | Looks like he already has a patch linked in there. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | I know there was some debate about just internally switching it to the pymysql connection, but didn't want to change behavior on people. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | arnewiebalck: You mind taking a look and making sure it looks good to you? | 16:13 |
| arnewiebalck | sure, will do | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | arnewiebalck: Thank you sir. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | I will go look at the patch in the bug as well. | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | That was all on that from me. :-) | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Thanks for the update. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | #info oslo.db proposal is to log warning and improve help text. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Welcome. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | #topic Documentation Migration | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | It's the jungleboyj show today. :) | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:16 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/481756 | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | Just wanted to make people aware of how this is progressing. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/481847 | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/481848 | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | So, the main admin-guide content has been migrated and merged. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | We have some cli documentation that hasn't merged yet. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | Found that the detailed driver config info hasn't been moved yet either. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | So in case anyone missed what was going on, it's been decided all documentation is moving out of openstack-manuals into the individual projects. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | So we can update docs along with patches. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | So first step is getting things moved over. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Oh yeah, background is important. :-) | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Then we can improve any formatting and other issues. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: ;) | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | This is all because of the brain drain from the documentation team. | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | Which reminds me - no real need for DocImpact tags now. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Is super excited that we get to maintain our own documentation now. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | As if there is a DocImpact, the patch should just include the doc updates. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Good note. | 16:18 |
| tommylikehu | wow | 16:18 |
| geguileo | I raised the subject of whether it makes sense or not having openstack commands in all the docs when we don't actually maintain that client... | 16:18 |
| geguileo | Anybody thinks this is kind of "weird" | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | All english grammer and style questions can go to hemna | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | :D | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ So, now reviewers need to enforce doing documentation updates in their patches. | 16:19 |
| bswartz | geguileo: +1 | 16:19 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | smcginnis: :) | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Yeah, I kind of agree there. But not sure if there's a way around that now. | 16:19 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: +1, that's one of the key aspects here | 16:19 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: OK, so it is what it is :-( | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: :-) I will be the documentation Czar about would appreciate help enforcing the need for doc updates. | 16:20 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: or they could go in a different patch dependent on the code one, but they should be available before merging the code | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I think things like the admin guide should show openstack CLI commands, since that's what we want end users to move to. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | Even though we don't really have much to do with that. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: That is good too. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: +1 | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Sorry, I kind of hijacked that. Anything else? | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: We need to move the cinderclient content right now. | 16:21 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: with the Ceilometer team we've been for moving the admin-guide for a while to be able to handle the doc updates along with the code changes | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | I don't know that we want that to go away but we do need to work on moving people to OpenStack client. Let me think about that. | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | Anyway, so I will be pushing up a patch for the driver config stuff soon. Then we need to enable handing spinx warnings as errors. | 16:22 |
| xyang1 | jungleboyj: are you just talking about doc or the cinderclient code? | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | xyang1: Just the doc. | 16:22 |
| xyang1 | Ok | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | There are a lot of docstring issues in our code that I am going to have to push patches up to resolve. Will do that in bite size pieces before enabling errors. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | Some have seen me -1 patches for docstring issues. | 16:23 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: :) | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | I need to work on better understanding what is right and wrong. Hope to have that together for everyone to look at before next week's meeting and then can answer questions. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | I just know right now what causes the doc build to fail. How to fix it. Want to find if there are better ways to avoid the warnings. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I think we all need to learn what is correct formatting, but once we are able to enable warnings as errors, at least it will be pretty obvious. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | If you find missing documentation please let me know. | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Careful what you ask for. :) | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ Yeah, that will help. | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | I think people will need to get in the habit of doing a docs build with their changes. | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | Or we could make it a part of pep8 maybe? | 16:26 |
| eharney | it's already a separate job, doesn't need to be done as part of pep8 | 16:26 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I would just run their tox check build or whatever after | 16:26 |
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| e0ne | jungleboyj: we already have doc job. can we re-use it? | 16:26 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Not combine them | 16:26 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: the docs job is fairly quick, so it should be fine | 16:26 |
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| ildikov | jungleboyj: it's only the matter of raising awareness on that it counts from now on | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo_phon: Then people will need to remember to do 'tox -e docs' before the do a review. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Right. | 16:27 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: people will learn form the docs job failures, I wouldn't add it to pep8 either | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | eharney: I wonder if we should have a "tox -e pregitreview" target that does fast8, docs, and py27 or something. | 16:27 |
| eharney | people can just run "tox", dragging docs into pep8 is not the right thing to do | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Kind of a "here are the things you should really run before proposing a patch". | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That would be nice. | 16:28 |
| eharney | smcginnis: shouldn't that be the list of what runs by default when no environment is specified...? | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Well, I think that does full pep8, not fast8, and both py27 and 35. | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: And now some jerk wants to add py36 as well. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | :P | 16:29 |
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| eharney | lol | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | hehe | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Anyway... anything else to cover jungleboyj? | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Anyway, we can bikeshed on that piece when I have the doc builds all working. :-) | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 16:30 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Not right now. Appreciate everyone's support getting through the migration. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | And being aware that the docs have a new level of importance. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Thanks! | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | #topic Gathering of thin provisioning stats in Ocata | 16:31 |
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| smcginnis | arnewiebalck: OK, now it's you. | 16:31 |
| arnewiebalck | Ok :) | 16:31 |
| arnewiebalck | As mentioned yesterday, we upgraded to Ocata and hit the problem that the provisioning stats gathering broke the upgrade. | 16:31 |
| arnewiebalck | The prob is that it cycles through our 4000+ volumes and that takes too long. | 16:32 |
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| arnewiebalck | So, we had to disable it to upgrade. | 16:33 |
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| geguileo | arnewiebalck: is that on a specific backend? | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | #link https://github.com/openstack/cinder/commit/d4fd5660736a1363a4e78480b116532c71b5ce49 | 16:33 |
| arnewiebalck | Ceph. | 16:33 |
| eharney | it's a ceph issue | 16:33 |
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| geguileo | eharney: I thought so, but wanted to be sure | 16:34 |
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| arnewiebalck | I have to admit I’m also struggling with the overall idea behind this. | 16:34 |
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| geguileo | 'cause I remember Jon Bernard mentioning that that was slow | 16:34 |
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| geguileo | arnewiebalck: I believe it was the only mechanism to get the data (though I don't remember the specifics) | 16:35 |
| arnewiebalck | From what I see the code queries Ceph for every volume to get the image size. | 16:35 |
| arnewiebalck | Cinder knows these sizes already. | 16:35 |
| arnewiebalck | It’s not getting the actual usage from what I see.. | 16:35 |
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| eharney | it only knows the provisioned size already, not the amount of data actually written/consumed | 16:35 |
| arnewiebalck | The code doesn’t give you that either. | 16:36 |
| arnewiebalck | It gives you the allocated size. | 16:36 |
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| eharney | the goal of this is to gather that to be able to calculate the overprovisioning ratio | 16:36 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck: it does give you the real size | 16:36 |
| eharney | there was lengthy discussion in reviews about this code (i think the first attempt was wrong and later fixed), so i hope it's doing the right thing at this point | 16:37 |
| arnewiebalck | geguileo: I don’t think so. We patched the code and it gives you the allocated size, not the used space of each volume. | 16:37 |
| geguileo | it iterates over the diffs to calculate the real size | 16:37 |
| arnewiebalck | geguileo: even if it does this, what you wnat to know in the end is how much space is used in the pool, no? | 16:38 |
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| geguileo | and that is the sum of all the diffs | 16:38 |
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| arnewiebalck | geguileo: right (if you get the real size :-) ) | 16:39 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck: correct | 16:39 |
| eharney | assuming that there isn't other data written into the pool than just the cinder volumes | 16:39 |
| arnewiebalck | in our case you do 4000 calls to Ceph on startup | 16:39 |
| arnewiebalck | and on each create | 16:39 |
| arnewiebalck | and on each delete | 16:40 |
| geguileo | jbernard: could you chime in? | 16:40 |
| jbernard | i agree with the direction, as long as pools are cinder-exclusive | 16:40 |
| jbernard | else, stats will be misleading | 16:40 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck: no, not on each create (afaik) | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | Seems like there should be a more efficient way than making 4000 calls. | 16:40 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I don't think there is | 16:40 |
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| arnewiebalck | geguileo: ok ok, I got excited ;) | 16:40 |
| jbernard | and we need to preserve allocated reporting, and not virtual | 16:40 |
| eharney | there was also a pending optimization to move to diff_iterate2 which hasn't been tried afaik | 16:41 |
| jbernard | but i think we're all on the same page about that, from reading the backlog | 16:41 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: the pool could be used for other volumes | 16:41 |
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| jbernard | geguileo: then a per-pool call willl be inaccurate | 16:41 |
| arnewiebalck | geguileo: if it used by other volumes, it will be very diffcult to do the over subscription correctly | 16:41 |
| geguileo | jbernard: yes, that's what I meant | 16:41 |
| geguileo | jbernard: that there's no easier way, because it could be shared | 16:42 |
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| jbernard | if it can, then we must iterate | 16:42 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck: yes, but it's possible | 16:42 |
| jbernard | or, document that we perfer it not be | 16:43 |
| arnewiebalck | geguileo: sounds pretty complicated | 16:43 |
| jbernard | or add a setting | 16:43 |
| jbernard | but lets not do that | 16:43 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck: unless we explicitly prevent it somehow it's possible | 16:43 |
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| jbernard | geguileo: the admin would have to adhere to a policy, and deploy as such | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | I don't suppose a call could be added for ceph to take a collection and return the result in one call? | 16:44 |
| geguileo | jbernard: Or we could check on start that all volumes belong to cinder (or look like they do) and report a warning that data will be inaccurate if not | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | Not sure passing 4000 IDs is much better. Or possible. | 16:45 |
| jbernard | smcginnis: it could, but we'd have to iterate there | 16:45 |
| jbernard | smcginnis: and it would take time to adopt | 16:45 |
| arnewiebalck | Why isn’t it enough to know how full the pool is? | 16:45 |
| arnewiebalck | IN the end, the admin needs to take action when some threshold of real usage is used, no? | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, seems like you would want to know the pool usage total, not just the cinder useage. So if it's used by non-cinder you can actually take some of that into account. | 16:46 |
| arnewiebalck | No matter what filled the pool. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Good point. :-) | 16:46 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck: it looks like it got broken and you are right | 16:46 |
| geguileo | I was looking at the original code | 16:46 |
| geguileo | but this broke it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410884/5/cinder/volume/drivers/rbd.py | 16:46 |
| arnewiebalck | geguileo: ok, thx for checking! | 16:46 |
| eharney | yeah, i also thought the current code still did diff_iterate, apparently not | 16:47 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck: it's adding the total size so it's like you say, not doing what it should | 16:47 |
| geguileo | So 2 issues, right no it's not returning the right data | 16:47 |
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| geguileo | And it's inefficient | 16:48 |
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| smcginnis | arnewiebalck: Not just inefficient. It breaks large deployments, right? | 16:49 |
| arnewiebalck | smcginnis: c-vol for that pool didn’t start | 16:49 |
| eharney | presumably it breaks them by causing a timeout somewhere to be exceeded that could be raised in config? | 16:49 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck: it's not knowing how full the pool is, but how much space WE are using the problem | 16:49 |
| arnewiebalck | service-list reported that c-vol as XXX | 16:49 |
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| smcginnis | Maybe enough for the meeting? Sounds like there will need to be some follow up discussion later. | 16:52 |
| arnewiebalck | geguileo: You would use a pool for something else than just Cinder volumes (and not have a separate pool)? | 16:52 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck: or you could have 2 different cinder-volume services using the same pool | 16:53 |
| arnewiebalck | smcginnis: Shall we open a bug for the follow-up? | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | arnewiebalck: Sounds like that might be good if the current bug doesn't cover all of it. | 16:53 |
| e0ne | arnewiebalck: +1 for bug for it | 16:53 |
| arnewiebalck | smcginnis: you mean https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1698786 | 16:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1698786 in Cinder "cinder-volume fails on start when rbd pool contains partially deleted images" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Ivan Kolodyazhny (e0ne) | 16:54 |
| arnewiebalck | ? | 16:54 |
| arnewiebalck | geguileo: I can see how you use 2 pools for 1 service, but the other way round? | 16:55 |
| geguileo | arnewiebalck: I've seen it done | 16:55 |
| geguileo | I'm not saying it makes sense, buuuuut, I've seen it | 16:55 |
| arnewiebalck | geguileo: was there an explanation ? ;) | 16:55 |
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| arnewiebalck | geguileo: ah, I see :-D | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | arnewiebalck: Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | Any other things we need to discuss yet? 4 minutes. | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | OK, let's wrap up then. Thanks everyone. | 16:57 |
| e0ne | arnewiebalck, smcginnis: it's a different bug | 16:57 |
| arnewiebalck | e0ne: ok, I’ll open one then | 16:58 |
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| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 12 16:58:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-07-12-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| tommylikehu | thanks | 16:58 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Thanks smcginnis :) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-07-12-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-07-12-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:59 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (;-_-)ノ | 16:59 |
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| lhx_ | thanks | 16:59 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 12 17:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 17:00 |
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| johnsom | Hi folks | 17:00 |
| sanfern | hi | 17:01 |
| gans | hello | 17:01 |
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| johnsom | Outlook is fighting with me. I updated it for our new time, but I guess it didn't update the full series. Sigh | 17:01 |
| jniesz | hi | 17:01 |
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| johnsom | At least I am here on time... | 17:01 |
| nmagnezi | o/ | 17:01 |
| evgenyf | o/ | 17:02 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:02 | |
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| johnsom | We are heading towards feature freeze Pike-3 July 24th | 17:02 |
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| johnsom | My normal reminder, just a few days left for new features in Pike | 17:02 |
| johnsom | Also, I released python-octaviaclient 1.1.0 yesterday. It fixes the l7rules issue. | 17:03 |
| johnsom | We have closed out our Pike community goals, py35 support and uwsgi | 17:03 |
| johnsom | So, that is good stuff. | 17:03 |
| johnsom | Also, our docs have moved under the new scheme: https://docs.openstack.org/octavia/latest/ | 17:03 |
| xgerman_ | o/ | 17:04 |
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| johnsom | The old developer link will still work for some time, but this is the new location. | 17:04 |
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| johnsom | I did a basic restructuring to fit the new standard. We can probably polish more, but it is a start. | 17:04 |
| johnsom | The presentation deadline for Sydney is soon. | 17:05 |
| johnsom | Two more days. | 17:05 |
| nmagnezi | don't forget to share a link for us to vote when time comes :) | 17:05 |
| johnsom | FYI, I do not plan to attend Sydney | 17:05 |
| johnsom | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/call-for-presentations/ | 17:06 |
| johnsom | Any other announcements this week? | 17:06 |
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| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 17:07 |
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| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Octavia-Pike-priority-patches | 17:07 |
| johnsom | We are tracking a set of priority patches for Pike at that link. If you can, please help review | 17:08 |
| johnsom | Also, nmagnezi asked for reviews on: | 17:08 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469850/ | 17:08 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464332/ | 17:08 |
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| johnsom | I have been focused on Docs, governance, and API performance improvement issues recently. | 17:09 |
| johnsom | This week I have some internal stuff to attend to, so will mostly be doing reviews and such. | 17:10 |
| johnsom | Any other progress updates to share? | 17:10 |
| nmagnezi | about tripleO | 17:10 |
| nmagnezi | we are close to merging this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447496/ | 17:10 |
| sanfern | review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478385/10 | 17:11 |
| nmagnezi | next step would be to have this fully automated as well | 17:11 |
| xgerman_ | Yeah!! | 17:11 |
| nmagnezi | just FYI. | 17:11 |
| johnsom | Cool stuff | 17:11 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478385/10 | 17:11 |
| johnsom | sanfern FYI, we use the #link tag to get the URLs in the minutes. | 17:11 |
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| sanfern | ok | 17:12 |
| johnsom | It highlights it a bit more | 17:12 |
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| johnsom | #topic Discuss publishing amphora images (xgerman_) | 17:12 |
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| johnsom | xgerman_ I think you wanted to talk about publishing amp images | 17:12 |
| xgerman_ | yes | 17:13 |
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| xgerman_ | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/resolutions/20170530-binary-artifacts.html | 17:13 |
| xgerman_ | so the image building process has been a source for a lot of confusion for our users so I was wondering we could provide some artifacts to ease them into Octavia | 17:14 |
| johnsom | Reading through that it seems like the TC's stance is "you are on your own" | 17:14 |
| xgerman_ | yep | 17:14 |
| xgerman_ | we would only provide stable images and not provide very timely updates aka if their is a security issue we might not get around pushing an update immediately | 17:15 |
| xgerman_ | but if some vendor wants to step into doing that more timely… | 17:15 |
| xgerman_ | anyhow, throughts? | 17:15 |
| johnsom | Yeah, that is my big concern about this. They would be heavily "at your own risk" unless we do something like a daily build with the base OS updates | 17:16 |
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| xgerman_ | yeah, it might be more to help non-production users | 17:16 |
| xgerman_ | but there is always the risk people ignore our disclosures… | 17:17 |
| johnsom | From the sound of the resolution we might not be able to get infra support to do daily builds either... | 17:17 |
| xgerman_ | yeah, I think it would be manual for a while unless we get some server somewhere | 17:18 |
| johnsom | Yeah, plus it's hard to include disclosures that are prominent with images. Maybe if we gz them or something | 17:18 |
| johnsom | Anyone else have input on this? | 17:18 |
| xgerman_ | nmagnezi? | 17:19 |
| johnsom | He just stepped away | 17:19 |
| sanfern | can we send some kind of alert on security patch release so users can update | 17:20 |
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| johnsom | In theory yes. Basically it would trigger any time that base OS vendor pushes a new cloud image. | 17:21 |
| xgerman_ | since twe only monitor security issues in Octavia actively I doubt we will be able to for the OS | 17:21 |
| johnsom | Again, I'm not sure we have the infra for that right now. | 17:21 |
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| xgerman_ | yeah, I think it will be a journey from building images occasionally to setting up more infrastructure | 17:21 |
| johnsom | I guess the question I have for this group is, would you find value in it? Was building your own image easy enough? | 17:21 |
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| johnsom | I have to say as well, those cloud images roll pretty often | 17:22 |
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| jniesz | I would imagine there is custom packages that a lot of people will add when building their images | 17:23 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I know most production shops customize the image to some degree | 17:24 |
| jniesz | and we are building our own images already | 17:24 |
| xgerman_ | yeah, my big concern are those evaluating Octavia and to speed up some 3rd party stuff (e.g. OSA) | 17:24 |
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| johnsom | Yeah. So, I think the "best" solution would be a daily build if we can find a place to host that. Highly label it DEMO or something. | 17:27 |
| xgerman_ | yep | 17:27 |
| johnsom | DEMO-WARNING-NOT-PRODUCTION-You-have-been-warned.gz | 17:27 |
| johnsom | Grin | 17:27 |
| jniesz | +1 | 17:28 |
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| xgerman_ | wonder how my free dropbox feels about that ;- | 17:28 |
| xgerman_ | ) | 17:28 |
| johnsom | xgerman_ Do you want to ask infra about it? | 17:28 |
| xgerman_ | sure, I can ask | 17:28 |
| johnsom | Ok, let's at least inquire if they would support us in that. | 17:28 |
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| xgerman_ | #action (xgerman) ask infra about daily image build | 17:29 |
| johnsom | Ok, anymore on that topic for today? | 17:29 |
| johnsom | #topic Discuss having a scenario tests gate the runs with ACTIVE_STANDBY amphoras (nmagnezi) | 17:30 |
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| johnsom | So, yes, we need that. grin | 17:30 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 17:30 |
| johnsom | Not sure if he is back or not. | 17:30 |
| johnsom | FYI, I have setup a new repo for our go forward tempest tests: | 17:31 |
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| johnsom | #link https://github.com/openstack/octavia-tempest-plugin | 17:31 |
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| johnsom | It looks like there will be a community goal for queens for projects to move to this model. | 17:31 |
| johnsom | In reality our tempest tests need to be re-written using the new "tempest way". | 17:32 |
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| johnsom | The other challenge we have had with act/stdby is the infra hosts have limited resources, so spinning up the VMs could be a problem. But we can cross that bridge when we get there. | 17:33 |
| johnsom | I think really it comes down to do we have someone that can spend some time working on octavia-tempest-plugin and modernizing our tempest suite. | 17:34 |
| xgerman_ | we should probably apply at the summer of code ;-) | 17:34 |
| johnsom | Yes! Interns! Grin | 17:36 |
| johnsom | Our last intern wrote most of the act/stdby code. | 17:36 |
| xgerman_ | yeah, maybe we need to wrk with some local college and hand out coursework | 17:36 |
| johnsom | Hmmm, if I had the cycles I would hit up the local university. I know they have done OpenStack courses in the past. | 17:37 |
| xgerman_ | wasn’t there some QA team in OpenStack we could pawn things to? | 17:37 |
| johnsom | Umm, yeah, well, I think that team is short on folks now too. | 17:38 |
| johnsom | They have been helpful with "how-to" type questions and such, but I don't think they are in the business of writing tests at the moment | 17:39 |
| xgerman_ | ok, I guess we are not solving this today | 17:39 |
| johnsom | Anyway, it will probably become a focus for Queens if nothing else. | 17:39 |
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| xgerman_ | in Queens we also need to nail down the vendor driver stuff | 17:40 |
| johnsom | Yeah, if anyone wants to help there... | 17:40 |
| johnsom | Oh definitely, if we don't get started earlier | 17:40 |
| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 17:40 |
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| johnsom | Since we have twenty minutes left, any other topics today? | 17:41 |
| johnsom | Oh! | 17:41 |
| xgerman_ | ? | 17:41 |
| johnsom | FYI, there is another L3 Active/Active discussion scheduled for Friday. | 17:41 |
| cpuga | I'd like to request a review on flavor spec #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392485/ | 17:42 |
| johnsom | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119565.html | 17:42 |
| xgerman_ | Ok, on th Active-Active front I reworked https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313006/ to make the distributor table look more like the one jsniez proposed | 17:42 |
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| xgerman_ | comments welcome | 17:43 |
| johnsom | cpuga it looks like there is a docs error, the new file needs to be added to an index. | 17:43 |
| cpuga | I'll take care of that, thx. | 17:44 |
| xgerman_ | yeah, I think we are close with flavors | 17:44 |
| xgerman_ | but that also hinges on the 3rd party interface | 17:44 |
| johnsom | It will go in here: https://github.com/openstack/octavia/blob/master/doc/source/contributor/index.rst | 17:44 |
| johnsom | Actually, that is odd since I have a wild card.... | 17:45 |
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| johnsom | Oh, I renamed the directory for the new docs migration stuff | 17:45 |
| jniesz | yes, I remember having to change mine from 1 to 1.0 | 17:46 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, flavors is on our priority review list. | 17:46 |
| johnsom | Yeah, sorry about that. The docs stuff is all getting changed due to the docs team reducing scope. | 17:46 |
| johnsom | Octavia docs should be pretty stable now. | 17:47 |
| johnsom | Other topics or concerns? | 17:47 |
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| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Octavia-Pike-priority-patches | 17:48 |
| jniesz | xgerman_ the change looks good to support [] for lb and amphora for distributor model | 17:48 |
| johnsom | Ok, off to do reviews! | 17:48 |
| xgerman_ | thanks | 17:48 |
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| johnsom | #endmeeting | 17:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 12 17:48:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-07-12-17.00.html | 17:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-07-12-17.00.txt | 17:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-07-12-17.00.log.html | 17:48 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | does anyone feel like having a storyboard meeting? | 18:58 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I will say that if we cancel this week, we should definitely do one next week | 18:58 |
| diablo_rojo | Still following convos on watcher, tricircle, and octavia. No updates there. | 18:58 |
| diablo_rojo | I updated my patch and am waiting for reviews currently | 18:58 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | right let's do a meeting so it's in the logs but skip straight to open discussion and keep it short | 18:59 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #startmeeting storyboard | 18:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 12 18:59:45 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zara_the_lemur__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 18:59 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Open Discussion | 18:59 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #info diablo_rojo has updated her patch and is waiting for reviews currently | 19:00 |
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| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | o/ | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | tristanC raised a point about the webclient tarball in-channel | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I haven't had time to look at it yet | 19:01 |
| SotK | me neither I'm afraid | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but I seem to recall him or someone else raising the same point a little while ago | 19:01 |
| * diablo_rojo has reviews on her todo list | 19:01 | |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I'm hoping to have more time to get to reviews over the next few weeks | 19:02 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | though I also started learning the violin so we'll see how that goes | 19:02 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | erm I mean I am a very busy professional individual with all the softwares | 19:02 |
| fungi | i'm here, just also troubleshooting stuff in #-infra | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hi fungi! :) | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I am lurking in there with interest atm | 19:03 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I am also lurking on the nova bugs triage thread | 19:03 |
| SotK | reviews would be great because then I wouldn't have the vague feeling of stressing folk if I send patches :) | 19:03 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | oh no please do send them | 19:04 |
| * SotK is also watching that thread with interest | 19:04 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I'm just rubbish | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | there's an interesting discussion about tags atm | 19:04 |
| SotK | (ha, I don't actually have any to send rn anyway) | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (okay, when you stop sending them it makes it worse because I think my failure to review has totally demotivated you) | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I'll find the link to that ml discussion | 19:05 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I don't yet have thoughts in a coherent enough form to actually *post* on it | 19:05 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119608.html | 19:06 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | and our outstanding reviews can be found over at: | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/storyboard | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, I addressed all your comments from before :) So its ready to go again. | 19:08 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | other things... i have not yet registered for the next ptg and probably should :/ | 19:08 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo: thanks! I will test it out in the near future | 19:08 |
| fungi | on the nova bug triage thread, i didn't have a great followup to sdague's last reply there because it's not completely clear what combination of behaviors he's looking for (maybe he feels there should be task tags instead of tagging at the story level?) | 19:08 |
| fungi | seems like in shared jurisdiction situations there's a semantic collision over tag names | 19:09 |
| SotK | yeah | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, I wondered how solvable that would be by any tool | 19:09 |
| fungi | so a story with tasks for nova and ironic, to use his example, may have story tags set in ways that ironic bug triagers expect which conflicts with what nova bug triagers expect from the same tag names? | 19:10 |
| SotK | I got the impression of a need for per-project-involved-in-a-story tags, but idk for sure (hence not yet formulating a reply myself) | 19:10 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, I'm wondering how compatible cross-project issues can be if the semantics can overlap or contradict for the same terms between projects | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | *cross project issues with understanding | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | sorry that sentence was a mess | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | now y'all can see how I haven't got to replying yet :D | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I guess I'm wondering if at some point you might just have to enforce standard names... but I don't know how realistic that is | 19:12 |
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| diablo_rojo | Standard names or like formalized list of tags? | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, effectively that | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | though then maybe that just pushes the problem elsewhere | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ie: you get a long discussion about what should be on the list | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so the disagreements just move to that | 19:14 |
| fungi | alternatively, as we've suggested before, just prefix tags you expect to only have meaning for your team | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, personally that's my preferred option | 19:14 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | though I wonder how safe the prefixes will be | 19:14 |
| fungi | so instead of the "compute" tag, nova can set "nova-compute" on stories and ironic can set "ironic-compute" on them and avoid stepping on each others toes | 19:15 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | That seems like a good solution to me | 19:15 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I have in the past used storyboard-foo, though for different reasons (at that time it made it easier to find them) | 19:15 |
| fungi | enforcing that through some sort of acl isn't probably in the cards any time in the foreseeable future, but as an agreement across projects it's probably fine | 19:16 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ wonders how likely people are to tag things and not follow the convention | 19:16 | |
| SotK | seems sensible to me too | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | That works for me. | 19:16 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I figure the most likely people to tag things will be triage teams anyway | 19:17 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | who would know it | 19:17 |
| fungi | like, we agree as a community that the nova bug triagers are well within their rights to set or unset nova-.* tags on stories even if originally set by other teams | 19:17 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | that seems fine to me (I also think it's probably something we can only evaluate by trying out) | 19:18 |
| fungi | so if someone at random puts a nova-foo tag on a particular story, and the nova bug triagers subsequently unset that tag, then that's their perogative | 19:18 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah. I do wonder if they'd end up spending a lot of time on that, but I really don't know and I'd *expect* most people wouldn't tag unless they'd been asked to | 19:19 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I think it's pretty rare for people to give more information than they need to to begin with | 19:19 |
| * SotK agrees | 19:19 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (I'm thinking out loud a bit hehe) | 19:19 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | project renames could be painful but then they're always painful | 19:20 |
| fungi | less painful for sb than in most other places. can do it with a very simply update query (or several) | 19:20 |
| fungi | s/simply/simple/ | 19:21 |
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| fungi | no service downtime, no filesystem rearrangement, no new urls | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Everything you could want. | 19:22 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ was thinking of 'search by tag' | 19:22 | |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | eg: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/list?tags=low-hanging-fruit | 19:22 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | if that read something like tags=nova-foo | 19:22 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but I agree it's not technically difficult to change | 19:22 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | just something to consider for those with 'find our bugs here' pages and the like | 19:23 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | but I also think that's the prerogative of those who want to change their project name | 19:24 |
| SotK | yeah, I think if folk are renaming their project its acceptable to make them need to change a link with the old name in | 19:26 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hahaha | 19:26 |
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| * zara_the_lemur__ feels that there is consensus to say that 'use prefixes' is the official storyboard stance | 19:27 | |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Yep! | 19:28 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | now I have not really done anything but feel a sense of accomplishment; we have an 'official stance' on something; this is great | 19:28 |
| fungi | it's good to feel all official and stuff | 19:29 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | :) I think I don't have anything else to talk about | 19:30 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | so anyone got something they want to discuss? | 19:30 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | otherwise I'll end this meeting in 3 minutes | 19:30 |
| SotK | I don't think I have anything | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Nada. | 19:31 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :) | 19:31 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | 1 minute remaining; anyone having anything nice for tea? | 19:32 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | apparently not | 19:32 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #endmeeting | 19:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 12 19:32:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-07-12-18.59.html | 19:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-07-12-18.59.txt | 19:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-07-12-18.59.log.html | 19:32 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks, everyone! :) | 19:32 |
| SotK | thanks! | 19:32 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Thank you :) | 19:35 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:36 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #startmeeting wos_mentoring | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 12 20:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen_alt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'wos_mentoring' | 20:00 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi, who's here for women of openstack mentoring? | 20:00 |
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| ekhugen_alt | Hi Megan! | 20:00 |
| MeganR | Hello! | 20:01 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think so far it's just the two of us | 20:02 |
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| diablo_rojo | And me :) | 20:02 |
| MeganR | and that makes three! :) | 20:02 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Kendall! | 20:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Practically a party :) | 20:03 |
| * ekhugen_alt gets her party hat and kazoo | 20:03 | |
| diablo_rojo | Hello ekhugen_alt :) | 20:03 |
| * diablo_rojo turns on the strobes and picks a spotify playlist | 20:04 | |
| ekhugen_alt | I think last week we were talking about restructuring the long term mentoring program | 20:04 |
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| ekhugen_alt | Hi Nicole! | 20:04 |
| NicoleH | Hi Emily! | 20:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Man, four people, now it is a party. | 20:04 |
| NicoleH | How are you enjoying your summer?! | 20:04 |
| NicoleH | Haha! | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | my summer is going too fast | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | how is it a week past independence day? | 20:06 |
| MeganR | Yes, way too fast! | 20:06 |
| * diablo_rojo was moving over the 4th | 20:06 | |
| NicoleH | Couldn't agree with you guys more! | 20:06 |
| NicoleH | Hope it went smoothly, diablo_rojo! | 20:06 |
| ekhugen_alt | how's the new apartment diablo_rojo? | 20:06 |
| ekhugen_alt | did you get all the computer equipment sorted? | 20:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Made it to Seattle safe and sound :) The car getting totaled the week before wasn't so awesome.. | 20:06 |
| ekhugen_alt | oh no! are you okay though? | 20:07 |
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| diablo_rojo | Yeah, got some xrays and it was all okay. Should probably go to a chiropractor though too. | 20:07 |
| MeganR | oh wow - I am sorry to hear that, like moving isn't stressful enough | 20:07 |
| MeganR | Yes, deal with it now, so it isn't work 12 months from now | 20:07 |
| ekhugen_alt | eesh, yeah, that sounds really tough! hope you feel better soon! | 20:08 |
| diablo_rojo | MeganR, that was my thought. Though, down one car, I only had to get the moving truck to the new place, not both vehicles | 20:08 |
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| NicoleH | Yikes! | 20:08 |
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| diablo_rojo | It was a nice drive through South Dakota, Wyoming, Montanta and Idaho to Washington :) | 20:09 |
| MeganR | oh, I hope you took photos during that drive | 20:09 |
| NicoleH | Welcome to the west coast. I love living in the Pacific Northwest. I'm only 3.5 hrs south, in Portland. | 20:10 |
| ekhugen_alt | oh nice, that does sound like a pretty drive | 20:10 |
| diablo_rojo | MeganR, lots of snaps in snapchat, a few actual photos | 20:10 |
| diablo_rojo | NicoleH, OH MAN! I will keep that in mind when I go for workdays with other Foundation people. | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo | You could join us :) | 20:11 |
| NicoleH | Perfect -- I'd love to! | 20:11 |
| NicoleH | Let me know whenever you're in Portland. It'd be great to get together! | 20:11 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so last week we were talking about restructuring the long term mentoring program | 20:14 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think we talked about making it easier by doing check-ins every 2 months | 20:14 |
| ekhugen_alt | and only giving people 7 days to respond before we unmatched them, no second chances or anything | 20:14 |
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| NicoleH | sounds good on this end. | 20:15 |
| NicoleH | that way, we'll know their level of commitment. | 20:16 |
| NicoleH | or, seems so, anyway! | 20:16 |
| ekhugen_alt | so I think now we were talking about what to do for the check-ins, how to make them more helpful | 20:16 |
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| ekhugen_alt | like do we want to try to schedule a half hour meeting with mentor and mentee | 20:18 |
| ekhugen_alt | and coach them through any issues they're having? | 20:18 |
| NicoleH | i think it's helpful to make a "human" check-in, rather than via email or online. | 20:19 |
| NicoleH | how do others feel? | 20:19 |
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| ekhugen_alt | diablo_rojo, meganr any thoughts? | 20:23 |
| MeganR | I like the idea of the human check-in | 20:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah that sounds good | 20:24 |
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| diablo_rojo | Sounds good, and I am willing to help out with those :) | 20:25 |
| ekhugen_alt | do we think it would be good to have a script or suggestions of how to go through the meeting, or do we want to wing it for the first few and then later work on standardizing | 20:26 |
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| NicoleH | i think it would help us to have a list of a few questions that we ask. the conversion could go in different directions, and we'll learn from that, but this short list to start out with may help guide us initially. | 20:29 |
| NicoleH | *conversation | 20:29 |
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| MeganR | +1 - and as a way to make certain nothing gets overlooked (more for my benefit, if I do these) :) | 20:30 |
| diablo_rojo | I wouldnt have more than like three prompt questions to fall back on, but I think it would be okay to wait to figure out what those might be | 20:30 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so could the questions be things kind of based on the forms? like how often are you meeting, what are you finding is the best way to communicate, and then any questions or concerns? | 20:32 |
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| diablo_rojo | Yeah I think that would be a good place to start | 20:34 |
| NicoleH | sounds good! | 20:36 |
| ekhugen_alt | so anything else to iron out before we talk about starting another round of long term mentoring? | 20:36 |
| ekhugen_alt | want to update the form at all? https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/mentor_mentee_signup_pre_barcelona | 20:37 |
| NicoleH | also, in terms of questions, it'd be nice to get a sense of the discussions between the mentor & mentee, and a sense for how the mentor has helped the mentee. | 20:37 |
| ekhugen_alt | +1 nicole | 20:39 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so maybe next week (or do we want to meet in 2 weeks?) we'll finalize any details for the next round of long term mentoring? | 20:45 |
| ekhugen_alt | and start to get signup emails sent out? | 20:45 |
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| diablo_rojo | Yes that sounds good. Next week :) | 20:47 |
| diablo_rojo | The sooner we get rolling on this, the easier it will be to stop ignoring it ;) | 20:48 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, cool, | 20:48 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks everyone! | 20:48 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks Emily! | 20:49 |
| NicoleH | thanks, everyone! | 20:49 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #endmeeting | 20:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 12 20:49:55 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-07-12-20.00.html | 20:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-07-12-20.00.txt | 20:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-07-12-20.00.log.html | 20:50 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 12 21:00:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting | 21:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| acoles | here | 21:00 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 21:00 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ( ^_^)／ | 21:00 |
| torgomatic | hi | 21:00 |
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| cschwede | o/ | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:01 |
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| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:01 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:01 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | hi jrichli! | 21:01 |
| jrichli | notmyname o/ | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | ok, so just 9 hours ago, half of you were in the 0700 meeting where I said the 2100 meeting would be exactly the same :-) | 21:02 |
| jungleboyj | *Laughing* | 21:03 |
| notmyname | welcome :-) | 21:03 |
| cschwede | notmyname: shall we leave then? ;) | 21:03 |
| notmyname | cschwede: you should stay. everyone else can go ;-)\ | 21:03 |
| cschwede | lol | 21:03 |
| tdasilva | lol, cschwede sounded like that ;) | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | I just figured you wanted sleep/breakfast/dinner/whatever | 21:03 |
| notmyname | ok, let's go through it then | 21:04 |
| torgomatic | here's a small difference for you: 3091a594d6dc0bd360f498af5bef4c71 | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:04 |
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| mathiasb | repetition is the mother of all learning! | 21:04 |
| torgomatic | that's 128 random bits, just to shake things up :) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: whoa! | 21:04 |
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| jungleboyj | notmyname: They didn't trust you. | 21:04 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: it's unlikely any meeting ever will have that string again | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #topic Denver PTG | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | the PTG is coming up | 21:05 |
| clayg | i still haven't signed up - but will today | 21:05 |
| notmyname | topic etherpad is at | 21:05 |
| jungleboyj | 3091a594d6dc0bd360f498af5bef4c71 | 21:05 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-ptg-queens | 21:05 |
| notmyname | if you haven't signed up for the ticket or hotel, please do so soon. today would be good | 21:05 |
| notmyname | all the links can be found at https://www.openstack.org/ptg | 21:05 |
| * tdasilva imagines everybody will copy and paste that string next week | 21:06 | |
| jrichli | tdasilva, lol | 21:06 |
| notmyname | for the week's schedule, monday and tuesday will be more of an emphasis on cross-project topics, and we'll have a room for swift wed-friday | 21:06 |
| jungleboyj | tdasilva: Wondered if anyone was going to comment on me being a smart-a$$ | 21:06 |
| tdasilva | jungleboyj: heh ;) | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | and I'm sure that if there are swift people together on mon-tues without something else going on, we'll grab a table, corner, or room | 21:07 |
| notmyname | also, please encourage any ops you see to attend the PTG | 21:07 |
| notmyname | if you have to make a choice between the PTG and the sydney summit, choose the ptg | 21:07 |
| notmyname | I expect to have very light attendance at the sydney summit. the ptg will be far better for contributors (devs and ops) to work together | 21:08 |
| notmyname | honestly, it's still an open question if I'll be going to the summit. don't know yet | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | any questions about the ptg? | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | ok. moving on then | 21:09 |
| notmyname | #topic bug triage | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | cschwede has been doing some great work on organizing the work that needs to be done to get a handle on our bugs | 21:10 |
| notmyname | there's some tools available at | 21:10 |
| notmyname | #link https://github.com/sdague/nova-bug-tools#existing-tools | 21:10 |
| notmyname | look at the bottom of that page | 21:10 |
| notmyname | cschwede: can you give a quick recap of what we got to at the previous meeting? | 21:10 |
| cschwede | sure | 21:11 |
| cschwede | there is one specific tool that runs over all bugs and can close them if they are too old. i dry-run it and this is the result (ordered by me): | 21:11 |
| cschwede | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/615138/ | 21:11 |
| cschwede | there are a few more tools that can do some nice tricks like searching for gerrit reviews and attach them to the bugs | 21:12 |
| cschwede | or update the state depending on the patch state | 21:12 |
| cschwede | however, these tools would only help with a small number of bugs (15-35, depending on what we want to do) | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: nicely cleaned up list :-) | 21:13 |
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| cschwede | the tool that produced above linked list can be used to shrink the list, but it would be automatically. ie we have only a very limited influence on it | 21:13 |
| notmyname | what's the first column in that list? | 21:14 |
| cschwede | age in days | 21:14 |
| notmyname | ah | 21:14 |
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| clayg | yeah i could work on a chunk! | 21:14 |
| cschwede | so, one idea we had this morning was to paste the list into an etherpad, and everybody grabs a chunk of that list and works on that | 21:14 |
| cschwede | to avoid duplicate work | 21:15 |
| clayg | *brilliant* | 21:15 |
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| cschwede | i think most of us are a little bit afraid of closing bugs without reviewing them | 21:15 |
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| clayg | roughly - terrified - why? - don't know | 21:15 |
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| clayg | what if the bug report was *the key* - THE KEY!? | 21:16 |
| notmyname | clayg: yep, that's exactly what we said this morning :-) | 21:16 |
| cschwede | clayg: there might be some "good/nice to have" bugs in that list | 21:16 |
| cschwede | and we don't want to autoclose them | 21:16 |
| cschwede | (we can exclude bugs with a tag like wishlist or low-hanging-fruit, but thats the minority of bugs) | 21:16 |
| cschwede | did i forget anything from this morning? | 21:17 |
| clayg | community todo lists are weird... on MY todo lists I can say "nope not today" or even "ah ^&*# it, it's not gunna get done" - it's harder to do that when the "who is responsible for this?" is *wide* open | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: I like the idea of chunking up the list of bugs. assign names to them for triage, and track it every meeting for accountability | 21:17 |
| clayg | notmyname: don't forget the part about "grab a list" to avoid duplicate work | 21:18 |
| jungleboyj | cschwede: Cinder has just blanket closed things in the past. The ones someone cares about get re-opened. ;-) | 21:18 |
| notmyname | right. that's what I mean by assing names for triage. eg you take 1-15, I take 15-30, etc | 21:18 |
| cschwede | i mean it's "only" 300 bugs. if all active cores tackle at least 5 bugs per week, we're nearly done in Denver. | 21:18 |
| clayg | notmyname: it would help to have some common guidelines tho - so people can feel confidient making decisions independently w/o risk of reprisal? | 21:18 |
| cschwede | clayg: good point! +1 | 21:19 |
| clayg | cschwede: that's a great way to frame it! I want to do 5 for sure - where is tdasilva ? | 21:19 |
| cschwede | we should add a tag "needs-consensus" or sth like that | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | acoles mentioned that having some sort of voting in LP would be great, to avoid that very situation of one person only seeing or not seeing something | 21:19 |
| cschwede | notmyname: add a specific tag for it? | 21:19 |
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| clayg | tdasilva: you have been *Killing* it on bug triage!? I see updates form lp and I constantly screaming at my computer "heck yes! tdasilva! get some! go go go!" | 21:20 |
| notmyname | what if we assigned overlapping sets? eg I do 1-5, clayg does 3-8, cschwede does 6-10, etc | 21:20 |
| acoles | if we're tracking on an etherpad then if I am 50/50 about a bug I'll just mark it on etherpad and throw it back for second opinion? | 21:20 |
| cschwede | notmyname: we split it into chunks in the etherpad because of that | 21:20 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: and write our names to each chunk | 21:20 |
| acoles | which is nuts because we have launchpad, so yes maybe a tag would do it | 21:20 |
| clayg | notmyname: modulo strategies are subject to ordering issues | 21:20 |
| tdasilva | clayg: yeah, but I do fear that I will get yelled at at some point | 21:20 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: here's me yelling: "YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB! KEEP IT UP!" | 21:21 |
| cschwede | tdasilva: don't worry, rock on :D | 21:21 |
| clayg | tdasilva: ^ that 100% | 21:21 |
| tdasilva | my fear with needs-consensus tag, is that then it forces everyone to look at (almost) everything ?? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:21 |
| acoles | tdasilva: we will escort you at all times at PTG :) | 21:21 |
| tdasilva | acoles: lol | 21:21 |
| notmyname | so what acoles just said makes sense. most are likely to not need multiple people. if so, make a note on the etherpad, someone else will look at it on next block assignments | 21:22 |
| clayg | tdasilva: i was hoping you could give more guidance like "there are what I see as 3 broad classes of bugs ..." | 21:22 |
| tdasilva | maybe instead of assiging chunks to an individual, we can assign chunks to a group of 3 people | 21:22 |
| clayg | and tell us a little bit about what's out there - and how you're taking that on? | 21:22 |
| clayg | basically - what is your secrets you brilliant man!? | 21:22 |
| clayg | then we can all say "yes, that 100% - everyone be like tdasilva - grab 5 and ask 'what would tdasilva do?'" | 21:23 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: build a ring. each of us are drives. make the replica count the size of the chunks. part number is mapped to bugs. let get_nodes() sort it out ;-) | 21:23 |
| clayg | tdasilva: notmyname: cschwede and this doesn't have to be an on-the-spot thing? | 21:23 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: perfect! | 21:24 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:24 |
| kota_ | are we devices? :) | 21:24 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: this makes an excellent incentive to lose weight... | 21:24 |
| clayg | oh dear | 21:24 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: lol | 21:24 |
| tdasilva | rofl | 21:24 |
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| acoles | tdasilva: can i be in your group of 3? ;) I think what notmyname said - if in doubt leave a comment (e.g. I think this is invalid but...) and leave on etherpad, otherwise close it and delete from etherpad?? | 21:24 |
| notmyname | ok ok ok | 21:24 |
| notmyname | can cschwede keep going on his data mining and build an etherpad? | 21:25 |
| cschwede | sure | 21:25 |
| notmyname | at first glance, I really like the organization in the pastebin | 21:25 |
| clayg | I just want some rough guage of what I'm doing when I grab my 5 bugs? is the goal to... reproduce the issue and add context? decide if this is a bug or some feature that someone asked for but isn't working on? Is it *terrible* and everything is mostly bad until it's fixed (think every client disconnect resource leak bug we've ever had and the current open ones)? | 21:25 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: let me know if we need some other data, different groups or whatever | 21:26 |
| notmyname | first goal is to close it if it's obviously no longer valid or already fixed | 21:26 |
| clayg | acoles: that's the ticket! so one goal would be "close invalid bugs" - maybe 50% are invalid at this point? Maybe it's 70%!? | 21:26 |
| clayg | notmyname: good restatement | 21:27 |
| acoles | clayg: my 2pence worth - first pass, categorize e.g. wishlists, invalids; second pass, try to confirm | 21:27 |
| notmyname | second is to repro it enough to confirm it or put it in needs info | 21:27 |
| cschwede | i can add the data from the other tools, like commits that mention that bug etc | 21:27 |
| notmyname | third (bonus points) is to repro well enough to easily construct a failing test for it | 21:27 |
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| acoles | clayg: it's like we need handoffs_only to get rid of the crap ;) | 21:27 |
| notmyname | acoles: yeah, that's good | 21:27 |
| clayg | tdasilva: have you *found* some of these "obviously invalid" bugs!? | 21:27 |
| clayg | tdasilva: or do you have to more or less try and repo to be like "I'm ~80% sure this is fixed because it sure seems to not be a problem as described?" | 21:28 |
| notmyname | eg "mirror trans-id to openstack-request-id https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/bugs/1572786" is done and released already | 21:28 |
| notmyname | so there's an example | 21:28 |
| clayg | I thought I saw some going from "fix released" to like "no srly fix released" or w/e the lp terms are? Can't we just bot that state change away? Does it *matter* to anyone what the difference is!? | 21:28 |
| tdasilva | clayg: a lot of what I have been closing recently was bugs that were marked as fix committed, but never got set to fix released | 21:29 |
| notmyname | "fix committed" was something that used to be used by the openstack bots. don't use that. it's either open, being worked on, or "fix released" | 21:29 |
| tdasilva | I think there's a bot to make that change, but it doesn't seem to change the state if the bug is not assigned to anyone | 21:29 |
| clayg | wtf is up with hudson-openstack -> "This issue was fixed in the openstack/swift 2.11.0 release." | 21:30 |
| clayg | can we just *search* for that message!? why is that bug still "in progress" | 21:30 |
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| clayg | tdasilva: yeah - so I don't want my 5 bugs to be 3 of those - that's just lame - is that really where we're at? | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | so far, what we've discussed/decided from this meeting and the 0700 one is that (1) there's some mapping from gerrit to LP that can happen via script and cschwede is doing that and (2) cschwede will group the old LP bugs of questionable status into an etherpad and we'll start triaging them a block at a time | 21:32 |
| notmyname | does that make sense? | 21:32 |
| cschwede | tdasilva: i didn't look into them, were the fixes really released? | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | did I miss something? | 21:32 |
| clayg | cschwede: have you looked at the source of any of these scripts you've been running - does it make more sense to apply humans to this or is the raw materials there to do this from the command line? | 21:32 |
| cschwede | clayg: these scripts are pretty easy to hack, i already did that a bit | 21:32 |
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| tdasilva | cschwede: clayg but I think I closed all of the now :) | 21:32 |
| clayg | cschwede: hellz yeah you did - awesome | 21:32 |
| clayg | tdasilva: ah, ok - that's good! | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | I left only one that was related to swift3 and i wasn't sure about | 21:33 |
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| clayg | notmyname: I think you're summary is correct then - I think i side tracked on a particularlly weird/dumb state that you pointed at and tdasilva has mostly cleaned up - so let's move forward with the blocks - and we all do 5 for next week - then report back and correct!? | 21:34 |
| clayg | cschwede: tdasilva: you guys are amazing!? where's the etherpad link - i want to pick my 5 now - i want good ones | 21:34 |
| tdasilva | sounds good | 21:34 |
| clayg | torgomatic: don't you try and get my good ones | 21:34 |
| notmyname | cschwede is on the etherpad. he's about to go to bed, but he'll put it up tomorrow, I hope ;-) | 21:34 |
| cschwede | clayg: there is no etherpad yet, but i will update the list and prepare one tomorrow | 21:34 |
| notmyname | (see what I did there?) | 21:34 |
| clayg | oh... | 21:35 |
| clayg | ok, good call. cschwede ML/async maybe then? | 21:35 |
| cschwede | clayg: sure! | 21:35 |
| clayg | and thanks again (and again and again and again!) | 21:35 |
| acoles | + thank cschwede and tdasilva | 21:35 |
| cschwede | no problem, you're welcome! | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:35 |
| notmyname | #topic docs migration | 21:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs migration (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:36 | |
| tdasilva | notmyname: just one more thing | 21:36 |
| tdasilva | about bugs | 21:36 |
| clayg | #action thank cschwede and tdasilva for amazing efforts and great results for swift bug triage | 21:36 |
| acoles | notmyname: are you going to plot graphs of our bug burndown ;) | 21:36 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: what's up? | 21:36 |
| tdasilva | so, I think doing this fire drill of triaging existing bugs is great, but it's like day1, I think long term we should also thing about some kind of sane process to keep triaging | 21:37 |
| tdasilva | once we have (hopefully) gone through this big list, how do we not get into this state again? | 21:37 |
| notmyname | good point | 21:37 |
| tdasilva | we don't need to answer that now, but maybe a good discussion for ptg | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | I hope that going through the old ones will help us exercise our triage muscles so it's not as painful as ongoing work | 21:38 |
| notmyname | and yes, it's already listed on the topic etherpad :-) | 21:38 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: cschwede: I really hope you can help lead that topic at the ptg | 21:38 |
| tdasilva | heh, I see what you did there :) | 21:39 |
| notmyname | ok, for docs migration... | 21:39 |
| notmyname | I said a lot of words this morning at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-07-12-07.00.log.html#l-142 | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | but the summary of that summary is that we're taking on a lot more docs, and it's a really really good thing | 21:39 |
| clayg | and I also hope we can remember that as much as good ideas/tools/process - effective bug triage takes elbow grease too! So be prepared to pitch in - it's totally worth it! | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | but it will result in some more work, of course, and it will result in some existing docs links breaking | 21:40 |
| clayg | tdasilva: cschwede: thanks for being doers/leaders! | 21:40 |
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| clayg | notmyname: from my desk that host is broke? | 21:40 |
| notmyname | weird. here too, but I had it pulled up already | 21:41 |
| notmyname | it's ok, it's fine to read async later | 21:41 |
| notmyname | #topic upcoming releases | 21:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "upcoming releases (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:41 | |
| notmyname | I'd like to tag swift and swiftclient as early as next week, if possible | 21:42 |
| notmyname | I think swiftclient is possible, swift slightly less likely (but still possible) | 21:42 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:42 |
| notmyname | priority reviews has new "next release" sections | 21:42 |
| notmyname | for swiftclient, patch 449771 needs reviews | 21:43 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449771/ - python-swiftclient - Buffer reads from disk | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | patch 475038 will get another patch set from timur, but likely not until late this week | 21:43 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475038/ - python-swiftclient - Allow for uploads from standard input. | 21:43 |
| notmyname | for swift, patch 448480 needs reviews | 21:43 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448480/ - swift - DB replicator cleanup | 21:43 |
| notmyname | and keep and eye on clay's new patch 478416 | 21:43 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478416/ - swift - WIP: Add multiple worker processes strategy to rec... | 21:43 |
| notmyname | super awesome stuff, but not quite ready for full review | 21:44 |
| notmyname | the bugs are high priority: important, but not blocking | 21:44 |
| notmyname | if there's stuff that needs to be added, please addit and let me know or let me know and i can add it | 21:44 |
| notmyname | any questions/thoughts on this? | 21:44 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:45 | |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up this week? | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | if you've been looking at contributor trends, you've noticed swift's been down recently. however, the graphs show a recent uptick | 21:46 |
| notmyname | http://d.not.mn/active_contribs.png | 21:46 |
| notmyname | so that's nice :-) | 21:47 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: cschwede: thanks again for the bug triage work | 21:47 |
| notmyname | please don't forget to register for the ptg asap | 21:47 |
| notmyname | I'm looking forward to seeing everyone there | 21:47 |
| notmyname | thanks for all your work on swift | 21:47 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 12 21:47:49 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-07-12-21.00.html | 21:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-07-12-21.00.txt | 21:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-07-12-21.00.log.html | 21:47 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 21:47 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (;-_-)ノ | 21:47 |
| clayg | @! | 21:48 |
| _pewp_ | clayg (♦亝д 亝)ﾉ | 21:48 |
| clayg | heh | 21:48 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 21:48 |
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