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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 22 03:00:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-08-22_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| spn | o/ | 03:00 |
| Namrata | Namrata | 03:00 |
| mkrai | Madhuri | 03:00 |
| pksingh | o/ | 03:00 |
| kevinz | o/ | 03:00 |
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| Shunli | o/ | 03:00 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining the meeting spn Namrata mkrai pksingh kevinz Shunli | 03:00 |
| hongbin | ok, let's get started | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
| hongbin | 1. Zun 0.2.0 release | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494541/ | 03:01 |
| hongbin | the stable/pike branch is cute based on this release | 03:01 |
| hongbin | so this is the official pike release | 03:01 |
| hongbin | thanks all for working hard in this cycle to deliver it | 03:01 |
| hongbin | from now no, bug fixes could be back port to stable/pike branch | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | however, it needs to be fixed in master branch first | 03:02 |
| hongbin | any comment on this ? | 03:02 |
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| mkrai | Thank you for your efforts | 03:03 |
| hongbin | mkrai: np, thanks all to deliver this release :) | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | seems no more comment, continue | 03:04 |
| pksingh | i could not contribute much in this release, hope to contribute much in next one :) | 03:04 |
| hongbin | pksingh: ack, thanks for your contribution :) | 03:04 |
| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:04 | |
| hongbin | 1. hongin create a bp for api version negoiation (DONE) | 03:04 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/api-version-negotiation | 03:04 |
| hongbin | i tried to outline the requirements in the bp | 03:05 |
| hongbin | please feel free to review this bp and take it if you interest | 03:05 |
| hongbin | note: you can ask a core to assign a bp to you if you couldn't assign it yourself | 03:05 |
| hongbin | ok, move on | 03:06 |
| hongbin | #topic Cinder integration | 03:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder integration (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:06 | |
| hongbin | for this one, i got a WIP patch up for review | 03:06 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473115/ | 03:06 |
| hongbin | it is a huge patch, i am going to break it down into several smaller patches | 03:07 |
| pksingh | huge patch :) | 03:07 |
| hongbin | :) | 03:07 |
| hongbin | the idea is to call cinder API to connect to the volume, them bindmount it to the container | 03:07 |
| hongbin | the cinder attach workflow is a bit complicated, and needs to handle a lot of exceptions | 03:08 |
| hongbin | i tried to break everything into module, hope it is more clear | 03:09 |
| mkrai | is the patch functional? | 03:09 |
| hongbin | mkrai: not yet, just for a preview | 03:09 |
| mkrai | Ok wanted to try out before reviewing | 03:09 |
| hongbin | mkrai: if i removed the WIP, then the patch is funtional | 03:09 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Ok | 03:10 |
| hongbin | mkrai: will let you know once it is ready to try | 03:10 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Thank you | 03:10 |
| hongbin | mkrai: np | 03:10 |
| hongbin | i will continue to work on the patch this week | 03:10 |
| hongbin | that is all from me | 03:10 |
| hongbin | any other question/comment? | 03:11 |
| hongbin | seems no, move on to the next item in agenda | 03:12 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce container composition (kevinz) | 03:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce container composition (kevinz) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:12 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/introduce-compose | 03:12 |
| hongbin | kevinz: ^^ | 03:12 |
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| kevinz | This week I'm struggling with capsule test case in API side. | 03:12 |
| kevinz | Because it introduce the experimental endpoint, so thing not very easy to write test case. However, I will continue to finish this today or tomorrow | 03:13 |
| hongbin | kevinz: unit tests ? or tempest tests? | 03:14 |
| kevinz | Unit test | 03:14 |
| hongbin | i see | 03:15 |
| kevinz | I will ping you for some help offline if possible :-) | 03:15 |
| hongbin | kevinz: sure | 03:16 |
| hongbin | kevinz: in addition, i wanted to mention that there are progress for this bp last week | 03:16 |
| pksingh | kevinz feel free to ping me too, if i can help you somehow | 03:16 |
| hongbin | kevinz: because we just merged a (huge) patch for capsule-create | 03:16 |
| kevinz | hongbin: pksingh: Thanks a lot | 03:16 |
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| kevinz | hongbin: Yes, a good progress | 03:17 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/484602 | 03:17 |
| hongbin | there are several other patches are merged as well | 03:17 |
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| hongbin | there is one to configure the devstack script to add the experimental endpoint | 03:18 |
| hongbin | there is a client patch that add support for the capsule api | 03:18 |
| kevinz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/480455/ | 03:18 |
| hongbin | those are great patches :) | 03:18 |
| hongbin | kevinz: thanks for your hard work on this feature :) | 03:18 |
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| mkrai | kevinz: Thank you :) | 03:19 |
| kevinz | hongbin: mkrai: My pleasure | 03:19 |
| kevinz | BTW, this patch need another review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/480455/ | 03:19 |
| kevinz | So that it can be merge in client side | 03:19 |
| hongbin | ack, thanks kevinz | 03:20 |
| Namrata | I will go through it and review | 03:20 |
| kevinz | Namrata: Thx in advance:-) | 03:20 |
| hongbin | ok, move on | 03:21 |
| hongbin | #topic NFV use cases (lakerzhou) | 03:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "NFV use cases (lakerzhou) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:21 | |
| hongbin | lakerzhou seems not here today | 03:21 |
| hongbin | for this bp, shunli has several pci patches that are merged last week | 03:21 |
| Shunli | will go on working on the database and objects | 03:22 |
| hongbin | Shunli: ack | 03:22 |
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| hongbin | Shunli: after the databae and objects is done, what will be the next step, the scheduler? | 03:23 |
| hongbin | or the compute? | 03:23 |
| Shunli | scheduler | 03:24 |
| hongbin | i see | 03:24 |
| Shunli | oh, sorry.maybe the compute first | 03:24 |
| Shunli | first need the pci tracker to collect the pci info | 03:24 |
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| hongbin | second, report the pci info to the scheduler (i guess) | 03:25 |
| Shunli | yes. | 03:25 |
| hongbin | get it | 03:25 |
| hongbin | sounds like a plan | 03:25 |
| hongbin | Shunli: thanks shunli for working on this | 03:25 |
| Shunli | np. my pleasure | 03:26 |
| hongbin | :) | 03:26 |
| hongbin | all, any comment on this topic? | 03:26 |
| Shunli | :) | 03:26 |
| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:27 |
| hongbin | #topic Zun connector for k8s | 03:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Zun connector for k8s (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:27 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/zun-connector-for-k8s | 03:27 |
| hongbin | we have an etherpad up for this one | 03:27 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-connector-k8s | 03:27 |
| * hongbin is reviewing the etherpad | 03:28 | |
| Shunli | hongbin: I refered last team meeting is about https://kubernetes.io/docs/concepts/api-extension/apiserver-aggregation/ | 03:29 |
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| hongbin | Shunli: go ahead | 03:29 |
| Shunli | is it possible to integrate zun with k8s like integrate zun with heat, define some customed resource type in k8s for zun. | 03:29 |
| Shunli | provide zun api as k8s's third party api using the apiserver-aggregation. | 03:30 |
| hongbin | i think this is possible technically | 03:31 |
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| Shunli | I just think it's a easy and feasible way to integrate zun with k8s | 03:31 |
| mkrai | I think the intention is not to implement anything in k8s | 03:32 |
| mkrai | but provide a similar implementation in zun so that it can be consumed by k8s | 03:32 |
| mkrai | Shunli: hongbin WDYT? | 03:33 |
| pksingh | and i think we discussed that idea in past too | 03:33 |
| kevinz | As I see, modify code in K8S is very hard and out of control | 03:33 |
| hongbin | mkrai: i agree with you comment in general | 03:33 |
| mkrai | kevinz: Right, that's my point as well :) | 03:33 |
| Shunli | yes, modify code in k8s is some kinds of out of control. | 03:34 |
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| hongbin | in addition, i see it this way: | 03:35 |
| hongbin | Shunli's idea is about extend k8s API to implement a Zun API | 03:35 |
| hongbin | The ACI connector is about bridge k8s to Zun (with k8s API) | 03:36 |
| hongbin | the intention are very different | 03:36 |
| kevinz | I will check it. That's a new idea | 03:37 |
| mkrai | Sorry I didn't get the first point | 03:38 |
| mkrai | Does it mean we extend the k8s API in Zun? | 03:38 |
| mkrai | user -> zun -> k8s ? | 03:39 |
| hongbin | no, shunli proposal is a k8s api extension for zun | 03:39 |
| hongbin | so in k8s api, there will be pod, service , ... , then there is an extension that provide "container", which is a zun container | 03:40 |
| mkrai | user->k8s->zun. Right? | 03:40 |
| hongbin | yes | 03:40 |
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| mkrai | hongbin: That seems very difficult to get through k8s community :) | 03:40 |
| hongbin | mkrai: yes, it is | 03:40 |
| hongbin | possibly, it needs to be out-of-tree | 03:41 |
| hongbin | frankly, i am not sure if k8s users interest in a "container" api if there is already a "pod" that they are familiar with | 03:41 |
| mkrai | hongbin: I agree completely | 03:41 |
| mkrai | container endpoint in k8s wouldn't make sense | 03:42 |
| hongbin | Shunli: i see the idea, but not sure if it will work , that is my comment :) | 03:42 |
| Shunli | hongbin: | 03:42 |
| Shunli | i'm creating the paste, maybe we can discuss if it possible | 03:43 |
| hongbin | Shunli: sure | 03:43 |
| hongbin | Shunli: in addition, feel free to list your idea in the etherpad (as option #3 in design): https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-connector-k8s | 03:43 |
| Shunli | ok, thx. | 03:44 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:44 | |
| hongbin | any other topic to bring up ? | 03:44 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Can I go ahead with the clear container patches? | 03:44 |
| hongbin | mkrai: feel free | 03:45 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Thank you | 03:45 |
| kevinz | mkrai: I have a question about clear container | 03:45 |
| mkrai | kevinz: sure | 03:45 |
| hongbin | mkrai: if you feel like, i can allocate a topic for clear container in the meeting | 03:45 |
| kevinz | mkrai: does it mature to commercial use case? | 03:45 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Sure | 03:46 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ack | 03:46 |
| mkrai | kevinz: I guess yes :) | 03:46 |
| mkrai | It is integrated with k8s, swarm as well | 03:46 |
| kevinz | mkrai: ACK | 03:46 |
| spn | In fact it makes more sense using CC with all its security around container | 03:46 |
| hongbin | spn: ++ | 03:46 |
| mkrai | spn: yes :) | 03:47 |
| hongbin | for example, in public cloud, strong-isolated container like CC is a must | 03:47 |
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| hongbin | so clear container integration is very import for zun | 03:48 |
| spn | but definately we should have an option of running regular containers and clear containers on same computes | 03:48 |
| hongbin | i see | 03:48 |
| mkrai | spn: We will have that support | 03:49 |
| spn | mkrai: great :) | 03:49 |
| hongbin | have both in the same compute node is a bit challenging, but i believe it can be done | 03:50 |
| mkrai | Bdw I and spn will have a session at sydney on clear container, if interested please join :) | 03:50 |
| mkrai | hongbin: can you tell the issues if possible? | 03:51 |
| hongbin | mkrai: i don't know what will be the issues, the challenging is like to ask nova to support two hypervisors in the same node :) | 03:51 |
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| spn | probably run multiple docker daemons on different port numbers one with coe runtime | 03:51 |
| hongbin | perhaps , it will be easy, i am just not sure | 03:51 |
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| mkrai | hongbin: ack. I will note this point and see if there's any issue | 03:52 |
| hongbin | i see | 03:53 |
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| mkrai | spn: I am not sure of that now. But seems that can be an option. | 03:53 |
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| spn | mkrai: yup! | 03:53 |
| mkrai | hongbin: spn Thanks | 03:54 |
| hongbin | all, any other topic or question? | 03:54 |
| mkrai | None from me | 03:55 |
| hongbin | all, thanks for joining the meeting, see you next time :) | 03:55 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 22 03:55:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-08-22-03.00.html | 03:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-08-22-03.00.txt | 03:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-08-22-03.00.log.html | 03:56 |
| spn | bye all | 03:56 |
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| samP | Hi all for masakari meeting | 04:00 |
| rkmrHonjo | Hi | 04:00 |
| tpatil | Hi | 04:00 |
| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 22 04:00:55 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:00 |
| samP | Hi all o/ | 04:01 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Hi all | 04:01 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 04:01 |
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| samP | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Masakari | 04:01 |
| samP | Let's start | 04:02 |
| samP | First; about the release | 04:02 |
| samP | Thanks to all, we were able to do the 4.0.0.0rc1 on 8/18 | 04:02 |
| samP | Next tag would be 4.0.0.0rc2, will be on 8/25 | 04:03 |
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| samP | Final release 4.0.0 will be on 8/30 | 04:04 |
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| samP | Now we have stable/pike in a separate branch, we can continue work on master for Queens | 04:04 |
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| samP | If you have any critical updates for stable/pike please raise them before 8/25 | 04:05 |
| tpatil | samP: Sure | 04:06 |
| samP | 8/29 Masakari IRC team meeting would be the last place to discuss such things | 04:06 |
| samP | Thanks | 04:06 |
| samP | #topic Bugs | 04:06 |
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| samP | any bugs to discuss? | 04:07 |
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| samP | Since we released last week, not much to discuss here. If you have any, please use AOB to discuss them | 04:08 |
| samP | Let's goto next item | 04:08 |
| samP | #topic Discussion points | 04:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion points (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:08 | |
| samP | (1) Application for become OpenStack oficial project | 04:09 |
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| samP | Couldn't finish it. definitely do it today | 04:09 |
| samP | sorry.. | 04:09 |
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| samP | (2) Install guide document | 04:09 |
| samP | I think patches are up for all documentations. Need to review them. | 04:10 |
| rkmrHonjo | ok. | 04:10 |
| samP | This include masakari-monitors documentations | 04:10 |
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| samP | I will and please review them if you have spare time | 04:11 |
| samP | (3) recovery method customization | 04:11 |
| samP | we need to clarify discussion points with Mistral team at PTG | 04:12 |
| tpatil | Mistral etherpad is not open to add this item in the Queen PTG agenda | 04:12 |
| samP | tpatil: Thanks. | 04:12 |
| tpatil | IMO, For our case, there is no need to restart mistral service | 04:12 |
| tpatil | but in future, if we add few actions which might requires you to restart mistral service, then that could be a problem. | 04:13 |
| samP | tpatil: you said, some actions would need to restart it. | 04:13 |
| tpatil | we will discuss with Mistral community to understand in what instances you need to restart mistral service | 04:13 |
| tpatil | samP: For our POC, no need to restart mistral service | 04:14 |
| samP | tpatil: great. | 04:14 |
| samP | tpatil: But we dont know what will happen future, if some one add new action. | 04:15 |
| samP | tpatil: as you said ^^ | 04:15 |
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| samP | tpatil: let's make those clear, So, we could avoid using them. | 04:16 |
| tpatil | samP: correct, so we will discuss this point with Mistral community | 04:16 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks. | 04:16 |
| samP | tpatil: May I ask you to add this item to Mistarl etherpad, when it opens | 04:17 |
| tpatil | samP: Will do | 04:17 |
| samP | #action tpatil Add item to Mistral PTG etherpad for discuss when we should restart mistral service | 04:18 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:18 |
| samP | (4) Find hosts without specifying segments | 04:19 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo: any updates on this? | 04:19 |
| rkmrHonjo | I have thought about CLI way.(This was my homework in previous meeting.) In my idea... | 04:19 |
| rkmrHonjo | If user run "masakari get-host-by-segment <host name>", masakariCLI will do below processes: | 04:19 |
| rkmrHonjo | 1. Call segment list API. | 04:20 |
| rkmrHonjo | 2. Call host list API for each segments. | 04:20 |
| rkmrHonjo | 3. If there is the specified host, masakariCLI will show following columns: segment id, segment name, host id, host name | 04:20 |
| rkmrHonjo | For example, "neutron net-list" uses multiple APIs.(Network list API & Subnet list API) | 04:20 |
| rkmrHonjo | So, I think that CLI way is not impossible. | 04:21 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: thanks | 04:21 |
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| samP | Are there any need for get singe host details in masakari? | 04:22 |
| samP | I mean without segments? | 04:22 |
| samP | For an Ex, monitoring masakari itself | 04:22 |
| tpatil | samP: Yes, when you process notification, we get hostname from notification request | 04:23 |
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| tpatil | samP: but we get the host details using db apis | 04:23 |
| tpatil | Dinesh: Please confirm ^^ | 04:24 |
| samP | tpatil: yes, correct | 04:24 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | tpatil: yes correct | 04:24 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | it is internal and not the user specific requirement | 04:24 |
| samP | but my question is, do we need that on APIs? | 04:24 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | I think, No | 04:24 |
| tpatil | samP: No | 04:24 |
| samP | for an ex, if we want to setup a horizon UI for masakari :) | 04:25 |
| samP | probably not.. | 04:25 |
| samP | OK, then can we agree to go with CLI based solution for this? | 04:25 |
| samP | which is proposed by rkmrHonjo | 04:26 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: OK. Should I write bp? | 04:26 |
| rkmrHonjo | Ah, I'll write bp. sorry. | 04:27 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: this is a new feature for python-masakariclient, please write a bp | 04:28 |
| samP | for this | 04:28 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: Sure. | 04:28 |
| samP | if no objection; rkmrHonjo please proceed with CLI based solution. | 04:28 |
| tpatil | samP: adding this support in CLI is simplest way to solve this problem | 04:29 |
| samP | you will have another chance to raise your objections in BP or code review. | 04:29 |
| samP | tpatil: sure. | 04:29 |
| samP | #action rkmrHonjo crate BP and process with CLI based solution for "Find hosts without specifying segments" | 04:30 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo: I assigned this item to you, is it OK? | 04:31 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: No problem. | 04:32 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: thanks | 04:32 |
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| samP | (5) Queens Work Items | 04:32 |
| samP | I created a etherpad for this/ | 04:32 |
| samP | #link Queens Work Items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-queens-workitems | 04:33 |
| samP | Please add new items before 8/28 | 04:34 |
| samP | We could review them on 8/29 meeting | 04:34 |
| tpatil | samP: Ok | 04:34 |
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| rkmrHonjo | samP: Sure. | 04:34 |
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| samP | second round would be on 9/5 meeting | 04:34 |
| samP | (6) Pike work Items | 04:35 |
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| samP | we need to re arrange these items | 04:37 |
| samP | Let's mark things done with [done] tag and not completed ones with [uncomplete] and skipped to queens ones with [skipped] | 04:38 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: ok. | 04:38 |
| samP | I will put those tags, and let's do a review on our next IRC meeting | 04:38 |
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| samP | I will import skipped and uncomplete items to new Queens etherpad | 04:39 |
| samP | Let's have a review on 8/29 | 04:39 |
| samP | #topic AOB | 04:40 |
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| samP | AOBs? | 04:40 |
| samP | if nothing, we could finish meeting bit early... | 04:40 |
| rkmrHonjo | I don't have AOB items. | 04:41 |
| tpatil | samP: Nothing from my side too | 04:41 |
| samP | OK then, thank you all for attending to this meeting.. | 04:42 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | thank you all | 04:42 |
| samP | have a good day.. | 04:42 |
| rkmrHonjo | thank you. | 04:42 |
| samP | bye.. | 04:42 |
| tpatil | Thank you all | 04:42 |
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| samP | #endmeeting | 04:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 04:42 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 22 04:42:36 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-08-22-04.00.html | 04:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-08-22-04.00.txt | 04:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-08-22-04.00.log.html | 04:42 |
| rkmrHonjo | bye | 04:42 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 22 13:00:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
| ruijie | evening Qiming | 13:02 |
| Qiming | hi | 13:02 |
| Qiming | don't know if there are others joining today | 13:04 |
| ruijie | :) | 13:04 |
| Qiming | and I don't have many items for discussion | 13:04 |
| Qiming | just one thing about senlin-dashboard | 13:05 |
| Qiming | we are supposed to cut a release this week | 13:05 |
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| ruijie | me neither. the DB change had beed merged | 13:05 |
| Qiming | it needs a stable/pike branch | 13:05 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:05 |
| Qiming | not sure if there still things to be done at rdo release side | 13:06 |
| ruijie | XueFeng is not here? | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | seems no | 13:07 |
| Qiming | we also have two community wide goals to claim | 13:08 |
| Qiming | it was long due | 13:08 |
| Qiming | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/pike/index.html | 13:08 |
| Qiming | I believe senlin can be deployed using wsgi a long time ago and its support to py35 has been completed last year | 13:09 |
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| Qiming | jsut need to double confirm this and propose an update | 13:10 |
| ruijie | where to propose the proposal to update it? | 13:10 |
| Qiming | openstack/governance | 13:11 |
| Qiming | example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491754/ | 13:12 |
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| ruijie | thanks Qiming, will look at the governance project :) | 13:15 |
| Qiming | great | 13:15 |
| Qiming | I'm searching for Queens goals | 13:15 |
| ruijie | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/queens/index.html | 13:16 |
| Qiming | right | 13:17 |
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| Qiming | both queens goals need some effort | 13:19 |
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| ruijie | em.. still try to understand it | 13:19 |
| Qiming | these two goals ... sigh | 13:20 |
| Qiming | I don't understand the benefits | 13:20 |
| Qiming | btw, https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/ptl.html | 13:21 |
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| Qiming | I have added liyi to the core team | 13:24 |
| ruijie | yes Qiming, noticed the mail from mail list | 13:24 |
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| Qiming | finally, found this: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/index.html | 13:31 |
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| Qiming | we may want to consider some of the tags we should apply | 13:32 |
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| ruijie | sorry, just lost connection .. | 13:36 |
| Qiming | finally, found this: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/index.html | 13:36 |
| Qiming | we may want to consider some of the tags we should apply during queens | 13:37 |
| Qiming | if we are not qualified, find the problem and solve it | 13:37 |
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| Qiming | other than that, I don't have more to discuss | 13:37 |
| ruijie | okay, Qiming. Will have a look at these stuffs. | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | great | 13:39 |
| Qiming | we can end this today? | 13:39 |
| ruijie | yes Qiming :) talk to you in #senlin for just 1 min? | 13:39 |
| Qiming | sure | 13:39 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 22 13:39:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-08-22-13.00.html | 13:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-08-22-13.00.txt | 13:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-08-22-13.00.log.html | 13:40 |
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| davidsha | Hi | 14:00 |
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| igordc | #startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 22 14:02:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is igordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'network_common_flow_classifier' | 14:02 |
| davidsha | Hi | 14:03 |
| igordc | hi davidsha, all | 14:04 |
| igordc | agenda: | 14:04 |
| igordc | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/CommonClassificationFramework#Discussion_Topic_22_August_2017 | 14:04 |
| igordc | #topic CCF v0 - first wave of code (update) | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CCF v0 - first wave of code (update) (Meeting topic: network_common_flow_classifier)" | 14:04 | |
| davidsha | Myself and Thaynara are working on Unit tests for the Service plugin at the moment. | 14:05 |
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| davidsha | We're also working on addressing bcafarel comments on the patchset about tenant_id problems. | 14:06 |
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| igordc | davidsha: great | 14:06 |
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| igordc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487182/1/neutron_classifier/db/models.py | 14:07 |
| igordc | right? | 14:07 |
| davidsha | igordc: Thats the one, We're also going to break off some pieces of this patch into other patches to make it more digestible and easier to review. | 14:08 |
| davidsha | The Database migration code will be the first to be moved into it's own patch. | 14:09 |
| igordc | good stuff | 14:09 |
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| igordc | davidsha: can we still make it before pike is released? (not that it's too important, but would be a good milestone to sync with) | 14:10 |
| tmorin | hi everyone, sorry for joining late | 14:10 |
| igordc | hey tmorin, long time no see! | 14:10 |
| davidsha | tmorin: welcome, no problem. | 14:10 |
| davidsha | igordc: I'm hoping the smaller patches will help make that milestone. | 14:11 |
| igordc | great, tmorin any questions about the state of the code? | 14:11 |
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| tmorin | I just came to catch up | 14:12 |
| igordc | very well, let's mve on | 14:12 |
| igordc | #topic PTG update | 14:12 |
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| tmorin | I saw the v0 patch, haven't had time to have a look yet | 14:12 |
| igordc | Thaynara and davidsha will push a new patch soon | 14:12 |
| igordc | so about the PTG... davidsha you're likely not going there either correct? | 14:13 |
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| davidsha | igordc: Ya, my travel approval was rejected unfortunately, I'm going to see if there is an appeal, but we're too close now for that to be viable. | 14:14 |
| igordc | davidsha: right, so neither of us going, so it will be a bit more difficult to engage on brainstorming discussions | 14:15 |
| igordc | tmorin are you going to the PTG? | 14:15 |
| igordc | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-queens-ptg | 14:17 |
| igordc | I had a CCF topic for the PTG, mainly to talk about what v1 has to have and to start/accelerate dev of consuming services | 14:17 |
| tmorin | igordc: yes, I'll be in Denver | 14:17 |
| igordc | I say we can still do a good deal of the work via the mailing list | 14:18 |
| tmorin | I can put it on my list and be there to talk CCF with whoever would like to | 14:18 |
| igordc | the most important part is that the CCF provides the plugging points and supports the protocols/fields that consuming services want | 14:18 |
| igordc | I'll be on vacation but might join the etherpads just to follow and ask questions | 14:19 |
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| reedip_ | I added FwaaS team, and I think xgerman or SridarK would be discussin the same with you. I will also ping yushiro for this | 14:20 |
| davidsha | tmorin: If you could that would be great, as igordc mentioned it's the protocols services need and make sure the plug points work | 14:20 |
| tmorin | I can take the action of starting this discussion in Denver | 14:20 |
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| tmorin | we need to identify who of "consuming services" will be there | 14:21 |
| reedip_ | I wont be there so I will check virtually | 14:21 |
| davidsha | tmorin: Thanks. | 14:21 |
| tmorin | reedip_: so that would be these three and someone from fwaas ? | 14:21 |
| reedip_ | all three are from fwaas tmorin | 14:21 |
| davidsha | pcarver from SFC was heavily involved back in Atlanta if I remember correctly. | 14:22 |
| igordc | great tmorin thanks | 14:22 |
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| igordc | davidsha: yes, I don't see his name on the etherpad but he might go, I'll check with him on the sfc meeting | 14:23 |
| igordc | and hi reedip_ | 14:23 |
| reedip_ | hi igordc | 14:23 |
| tmorin | reedip_: ok! | 14:24 |
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| igordc | cool if you all can please socialize the ccf, and write down all the missing gaps and proposed directions, that would be awesome... I'll try to check the etherpad and IRC | 14:25 |
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| davidsha | I have seen the drivers propose the use of CCF for a few RFEs already, so I can try and find the RFE authors and sync with them. | 14:26 |
| igordc | awesome davidsha, that's great | 14:27 |
| davidsha | One was for Security groups and the other may have been DragonFlow, I'll talk to mlavelle about it and see what they were planning. | 14:28 |
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| igordc | davidsha: the dragonflow one was related to fwaas wasn't it? | 14:29 |
| davidsha | igordc: I can't recall off the top of my head. | 14:29 |
| davidsha | tmorin: you mentioned at the PTG about using BGP resources as classifications to be consumed by SFC or am I mistaken? | 14:30 |
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| tmorin | davidsha: yes, but the good solution to the target problem may end up being different | 14:31 |
| tmorin | the problem is : how to specify in some API that we want the traffic from a given BGPVPN and matching a given classifier, to be put into an SFC port chain | 14:31 |
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| tmorin | having a "source BGPVPN" in the classifier could have been a solution, but we ended up concluding it was not a good one when discussing the CCF spec | 14:32 |
| igordc | tmorin: as a source bgpvpn it looks OK to be put in a classification | 14:33 |
| tmorin | my current thinking is that the best would be to extend the BGPVPN API to associate a (Common Flow Classifier ID, SFC port-chain ID) tuple to indicate that the traffic from this BGPVPN matching the classifier should go into the chain. | 14:33 |
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| igordc | tmorin: as a destination, not really | 14:33 |
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| tmorin | igordc: right for source vs. dest, but we (you, me, ihar) ended up concluding we should add that and rely instead on the consuming service API to combine a CCF with its own resources | 14:34 |
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| igordc | tmorin: OK so in your current thinking, bgpvpn's users would still use the CCF but no changes in SFC would be needed (only in bgpvpn) | 14:35 |
| tmorin | igordc: yes, and only the port-chain and CCF APIs would be used (not the current SFC classifier API, nor an extension of it) | 14:36 |
| igordc | tmorin: the problem is that networking-sfc manages classifying the traffic... and port-chains require classifications | 14:36 |
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| igordc | tmorin: this could be done, but look like a workaround from networking-sfc's perspective | 14:37 |
| igordc | looks* | 14:37 |
| tmorin | (for ref, the discussion I'm referring to was: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993/15/specs/pike/common-classification-framework.rst@319 ) | 14:37 |
| igordc | let me just switch topic btw | 14:37 |
| igordc | #topic Open discussion | 14:38 |
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| tmorin | igordc: ok, perhaps this needs more thinking | 14:38 |
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| igordc | tmorin: I have to re-read the flow of arguments, including mine, but one thing is still clear I think: that the CCF doesn't actually classify | 14:39 |
| igordc | tmorin: so either bgpvpn or sfc will | 14:39 |
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| igordc | we then have the 2 options you mentioned today: sfc classifies based on 2+ classification types from the CCF (while bgpvpn only instantiates the bgpvpns) | 14:40 |
| tmorin | igordc: yes (to be exact in the case of bgpvpn, we delegate the actual classifiction of packet to BGP VPN routers thanks to BGP FlowSpec VPN routes) | 14:40 |
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| igordc | or sfc classification is bypassed and instead executed by bgpvpn (plus instantiating the bgpvpns and consuming from the CCF) | 14:41 |
| tmorin | given the delegation mentioned above, the second option would be natural (I think) | 14:41 |
| tmorin | the bgpvpn driver then simply needs to push the classified traffic to the ports of the first ingress port-pair | 14:42 |
| igordc | tmorin: and you'd then be able to route the matching packets to the first SF of the port chain right? | 14:42 |
| igordc | exactly | 14:42 |
| tmorin | yes :) | 14:42 |
| igordc | I think this is a discussion between bgpvpn and sfc then | 14:43 |
| igordc | and from the conclusions we can know whether bgpvpn classication type is required | 14:44 |
| tmorin | that makes sense | 14:44 |
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| igordc | your last option also looks better to my own subjective perception, but am just a bit concerned with the scope of networking-sfc then, seeing as the classification-part is bypassed | 14:45 |
| davidsha | reedip_: you linked this before I think, this is the list of protocols for security groups correct? https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lib/blob/99d4f1f35f8d915f48bfaa677f690b29bc4b0dbe/neutron_lib/constants.py#L202 | 14:46 |
| reedip_ | checking | 14:46 |
| reedip_ | davidsha : yep | 14:46 |
| reedip_ | but I found that this is only for the iptables implementation | 14:46 |
| reedip_ | But if we have nftables or any other implementation, then the protocol list might change, isnt it? | 14:47 |
| igordc | reedip_: not sure | 14:48 |
| davidsha | reedip_: Well the backend doesn't really matter to us, it's just supporting the classification definitions that already exist in Security Groups is what I'm thinking. | 14:48 |
| igordc | reedip_: do you know if SCTP is actually used in neutron? | 14:48 |
| reedip_ | igordc : its in the neutron_lib/constants, right ? | 14:49 |
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| davidsha | Yup, It's there | 14:49 |
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| igordc | reedip_: yes, but I don't see any actual use either there or in /neutron | 14:49 |
| igordc | reedip_: perhaps some stadium project | 14:49 |
| igordc | same goes for DCCP | 14:49 |
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| reedip_ | well : https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/7c1e21a3f35e80e176dfc025eb6f4a0024cb137c/neutron/agent/linux/iptables_firewall.py#L643 | 14:50 |
| igordc | reedip_: alright indirectly via IPTABLES_PROTOCOL_MAP | 14:50 |
| reedip_ | yes ... | 14:50 |
| igordc | reedip_: but I still don't see protocol-specific work | 14:51 |
| davidsha | So there are 22 in that list of protocols and we have 5 of them in Version 0 | 14:51 |
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| igordc | reedip_: at least for classification purposes | 14:52 |
| reedip_ | igordc : I can only find the implementation and usage of the protocols in 5 places | 14:52 |
| reedip_ | http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=IPTABLES_PROTOCOL_MAP&i=nope&files=&repos= | 14:52 |
| reedip_ | seems that it is only used in iptables_firewall.py | 14:52 |
| igordc | reedip_: yep got the same in github | 14:52 |
| reedip_ | so unless we have a separate agent, iptables will work well with the following 5 protocols | 14:52 |
| reedip_ | But yes, DCCP and SCTP wont be useful in generic terms | 14:53 |
| reedip_ | so you can avoid it. Maybe you can keep a list of Necessary protocols and additional protocols | 14:53 |
| reedip_ | the Necessary Protocols may have TCP, UDP , ICMP ICMPv6 | 14:53 |
| reedip_ | while the additional protocols can be dependent on the consumer of the CCF | 14:54 |
| tmorin | igordc: people are using protocols other than UDP or TCP out there, hence protos such as SCTP just need to be supported | 14:54 |
| igordc | right, I'd like to have more information about the need of certain protocols before anyone commits to work on their support in the CCF, otherwise we might just be wasting time | 14:54 |
| igordc | unless someone really wants to contribute those protocols, I'm fine with that | 14:54 |
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| igordc | tmorin: but are they compatible with any neutron API extension? | 14:55 |
| tmorin | I know that at least SCTP is important for Telco NFV application related to the historic phone system (SS7) | 14:55 |
| igordc | tmorin: or do they just have to be compatible with the backends that might be receiving, as an example, SCTP and DCCP traffic from VMs | 14:55 |
| igordc | tmorin: ohh that :p | 14:56 |
| tmorin | igordc: I don't get your question | 14:56 |
| tmorin | igordc: :D | 14:56 |
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| reedip_ | now I amm confused | 14:56 |
| reedip_ | :) | 14:56 |
| igordc | tmorin: in other words, are these protocols actually going to be object of a consumed Classification? | 14:56 |
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| tmorin | yes, they can: for instance, you could want to open only a given SCTP port range | 14:57 |
| igordc | + reedip_ | 14:57 |
| igordc | we can continue offline, time's about to run out | 14:57 |
| igordc | I'd just like to introduce you to Thaynara , who's been co-authoring the code with David | 14:57 |
| reedip_ | hi Thaynara | 14:58 |
| reedip_ | saw the patch 0 version | 14:58 |
| tmorin | similarly: direct a given SCPT port range into a chain, apply QoS profiles distinctively depending on SCTP port, etc. | 14:58 |
| Thaynara | Hi guys | 14:58 |
| tmorin | hi ! | 14:58 |
| igordc | tmorin: I understand, do you know of any neutron project doing it? | 14:58 |
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| igordc | I am fortunate enough to hear daily discussions about the CCF from these 2 hehe | 14:59 |
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| tmorin | I haven't checked | 14:59 |
| reedip_ | FWaaS would be using it soon ... but otherswise not enough consumers | 14:59 |
| igordc | reedip_: hmm OK so some potential there | 15:00 |
| igordc | aright, time's up | 15:00 |
| igordc | bye all! | 15:00 |
| igordc | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 22 15:00:09 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| davidsha | cya! | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-08-22-14.02.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-08-22-14.02.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-08-22-14.02.log.html | 15:00 |
| reedip_ | Lets continue on the ML or #neutron ? | 15:00 |
| tmorin | bye everyone, thanks | 15:00 |
| Thaynara | Bye | 15:00 |
| igordc | yeah | 15:00 |
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| igordc | -neutron | 15:00 |
| davidsha | #neutron sounds good | 15:00 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 22 16:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, o/ | 16:00 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | #topic Actions from prev week | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from prev week (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:00 | |
| ihrachys | "jlibosva to look through uncategorized/latest gate tempest failures (15% failure rate atm)" | 16:01 |
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| * jlibosva slacked, didn't happen | 16:01 | |
| ihrachys | ok, we will revisit whether it's still needed in Grafana section | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | "ihrachys to capture os.kill calls in func tests and see if any of those kill test threads" | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | I haven't done THAT but since last kernel update we don't see to see the failure | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, right? | 16:02 |
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| jlibosva | right, and also at the end of last meeting we confirmed it's kernel who kills the process | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | I haven't seen it personally for a week + grafana board is very clean | 16:02 |
| jlibosva | I haven't checked via logstash | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | but I'm able to reproduce that failure on my ubuntu box with the -83 kernel | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | -83, is it the old or new? | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | I can update and confirm it not reproducible | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | ah, sorry. 83 is hte old one | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | I think :) | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | ok | 16:03 |
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| ihrachys | let's close https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1707933 if/when it's confirmed (I personally feel ok doing it without additional step, but you decide) | 16:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1707933 in neutron "functional tests timeout after a test worker killed" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Jakub Libosvar (libosvar) | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | "jlibosva to tweak gate not to create default subnetpool and enable test_convert_default_subnetpool_to_non_default" | 16:04 |
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| jlibosva | didn't do either :( | 16:04 |
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| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to tweak gate not to create default subnetpool and enable test_convert_default_subnetpool_to_non_default | 16:05 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Grafana | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grafana (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:05 | |
| ihrachys | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:05 |
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| ihrachys | of gating jobs, the only one that stands out is gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-multinode-ubuntu-xenial | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | not a catastrophe, ~10% | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=6&fullscreen | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | apart from that, usual check queue violators - fullstack and scenarios - are at 100% | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | for fullstack, I still suck | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | for scenarios, I believe jlibosva tried to gather troops to triage/fix remaining known failures | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, was there success in that? | 16:09 |
| jlibosva | Anil is looking at the router migration tests - but no outcome yet | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | I also see dvr-ha job failing at 100%. I don't think that was the case a while ago. | 16:10 |
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| ihrachys | we may need Brian back to have a look at it closer | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | he was working on making it voting | 16:12 |
| anilvenkata | jlibosva, ihrachys migration tests are failing intermittently | 16:12 |
| anilvenkata | jlibosva, ihrachys If consistently failing then it would be easier to fix | 16:12 |
| jlibosva | anilvenkata: are you able to reproduce it? | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | anilvenkata, ok. any ideas how can we make them not fail? what's missing to understand what happens there? | 16:12 |
| anilvenkata | may be I need to add more checks before the test try to ssh | 16:13 |
| anilvenkata | checks like HA port is active, etc | 16:13 |
| anilvenkata | that will make sure the dataplane path is properly configured, before the test try to ssh | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | yeah. another thing to look at would be, whether any helpful info is missing in agent logs. | 16:14 |
| anilvenkata | I Will also look at that | 16:15 |
| anilvenkata | thanks Ihar | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | #topic anilvenkata to add more control plane checks for migrated router ports tests before ssh'ing | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "anilvenkata to add more control plane checks for migrated router ports tests before ssh'ing (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:15 | |
| ihrachys | oops | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | #undo | 16:15 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic anilvenkata to add more control plane checks for migrated router ports tests before ssh'ing | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | #action anilvenkata to add more control plane checks for migrated router ports tests before ssh'ing | 16:15 |
| anilvenkata | :) | 16:15 |
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| ihrachys | I also noticed today that we still keep linuxbridge grenade job in dashboard even though it's experimental now | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | patch to remove it from there: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496287/ | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, back to the earlier action item you had, it doesn't seem it's a pressing need right now to classify tempest failures. | 16:17 |
| jlibosva | okies | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | #topic Bugs | 16:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:18 | |
| ihrachys | I started cleaning up the list: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=gate-failure | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | closed a bunch of those that no longer reproduce / no logs | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | we can reopen if they happen again | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1687709 | 16:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1687709 in neutron "fullstack: ovs-agents remove trunk bridges that don't belong to them" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Jakub Libosvar (libosvar) | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, is it correct that ovs isolation work should help with that? | 16:19 |
| jlibosva | I'm gonna close the functional killer bug, no hits in last week | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, yep, go for it | 16:19 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: yes, that's still something I'd like to implement but can't find spare time | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, is everything ready on ovsdbapp side for that? | 16:20 |
| jlibosva | my plan is not to use the sandbox ovs, so ovsdbapp is no longer a requirement | 16:20 |
| jlibosva | the isolation will use normal ovsdb-server process running in namespace instead | 16:20 |
| jlibosva | as we need an actual access to kernel datapath, which sandbox mocks | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | oh ok | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | I haven't walked through all bugs yet; I am going to continue cleaning up the gate-failure list this week | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to complete gate-failure cleanup | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1712278 | 16:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1712278 in neutron "Default qos policy doesn't work when creating network" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Hirofumi Ichihara (ichihara-hirofumi) | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | we seem to have a patch here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496139/ | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | I am not sure how it happened. don't we have test coverage for that? | 16:23 |
| jlibosva | on higher level, maybe tempest or fullstack - but both are non-voting | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | oh right. | 16:25 |
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| jlibosva | hmm, actually api tests should be able to catch that | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | for some reason, logstash shows osc functional test failures only | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | http://logstash.openstack.org/#dashboard/file/logstash.json?query=message%3A%5C%22AttributeError%3A%20'QosPolicyDefault'%20object%20has%20no%20attribute%20'translate'%5C%22 | 16:26 |
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| jlibosva | and api tests don't test default qos policy | 16:27 |
| jlibosva | only fullstack | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | I don't see fullstack hits in logstash | 16:28 |
| jlibosva | do we collect server logs for fullstack? | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | oh; we probably collect but don't index | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | we index test runner logs only | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | that explains then | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | would probably make sense to ask to add api tests to the fix | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | oh you did already | 16:30 |
| ihrachys | ok | 16:30 |
| jlibosva | yeah :) | 16:30 |
| jlibosva | also looking at the post-gate hook, if I understand the find correctly, we should index also the server and agent logs | 16:30 |
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| jlibosva | for fullstack | 16:30 |
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| ihrachys | hm, right. so which test do you think covers the functionality? | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | fullstack | 16:32 |
| jlibosva | yep, so maybe it doesn't hit that specific | 16:32 |
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| ihrachys | oh I see TestQoSPolicyIsDefault | 16:32 |
| jlibosva | I checked the index file and server and agents are included | 16:32 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys++ :) | 16:32 |
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| jlibosva | so we probably don't create a network after we have the default policy | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | I don't think we create a network using default policy in any of those test cases | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | right | 16:33 |
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| ihrachys | ok, that makes sense | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Other patches (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:34 | |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, anything of interest not mentioned already? | 16:35 |
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| jlibosva | just that if you look at functional gate failures in the last 7 days, it draws a batman :) | 16:35 |
| jlibosva | nothing else from me | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | :)) | 16:35 |
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| ihrachys | ok, I will note that I noticed some time ago that grenade failures don't always trigger corresponding elastic patterns, and I think I came up with the fix here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493987/ | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | elastic bot doesn't wait for all service logs to upload if it's grenade | 16:37 |
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| ihrachys | I have nothing else | 16:37 |
| jlibosva | oh, one more thing I have | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | shoot | 16:37 |
| jlibosva | I noticed that bot now reports elastic rechecks at the upstream channel :) it was discussed in this meeting a while ago | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | yeah. it doesn't seem very consistent though, I failed to grasp when it does and when it doesn't | 16:38 |
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| ihrachys | (same feeling I have for gerrit comments from the bot) | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | ok, we can close the session I guess | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | thanks jlibosva | 16:39 |
| jlibosva | yep | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
| jlibosva | thanks | 16:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:39 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 22 16:39:09 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:39 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-08-22-16.00.html | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-08-22-16.00.txt | 16:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-08-22-16.00.log.html | 16:39 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 22 18:00:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| spilla | o/ | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | hi | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 18:00 |
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| rodrigods | o/ | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | ok - let's get started | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | #topic announcements | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | kinda of a fire going on today | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | i was going through our release notes for pike today and notices a bunch of old release notes were rendering | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | #link https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/keystone/pike.html | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | stuff that was fixed in ocata or newton | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | turns out release notes are generated based on when they are touched | 18:02 |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: +2/a on the last one | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | and we had a change come through to update a bunch of the release notes to point to the right documentation after the great docs migration | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: thnaks | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | so - after talking to the release team - we have a couple action itmes | 18:03 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: aha, it'd useful to have a release: pike thing in the rns | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | which will result in us having to cut an rc3 | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | 1.) we need to backport all doc patches to release notes to affected branches | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | those patches can be found here | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1710572 | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | 2.) update any false positives in the current release notes | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | so - stuff like this | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496322/ | 18:05 |
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| lbragstad | gagehugo: has a patch on the way to fix another one | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496342/ | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | actually - it's right there ^ | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | in addition to that - reno provides a way to blacklist specific release notes from rendering for a release | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | very similar to what horizon did here - https://github.com/openstack/horizon/commit/85fe8f3b5fdf526302831107aee0c372ac5a9fec | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | I have a patch up that addresses this for pike | 18:06 |
| edmondsw | o/ | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496343/ | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | looks like everything is approved - so i'll monitor the gate until they merge | 18:07 |
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| samueldmq | ++ | 18:07 |
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| lbragstad | if anyone notices something wrong in our release notes between now and then, please let me know | 18:08 |
| edmondsw | good catch | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | we might also need patches similar to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496343/ for stable/ocata | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | maybe just double checking that https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/keystone/ocata.html is accurate | 18:08 |
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| kmalloc | solution: never touch/fix a release note from previous releases | 18:09 |
| kmalloc | (going forward) | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: yeah - this totally slipped the radar | 18:09 |
| kmalloc | we can't always keep links in shape, and knowing the limitation, we do our best but roll with it knowing 1yr out the docs don't matter | 18:09 |
| kmalloc | so, policy: don't "update" reno once a release is cut. | 18:09 |
| kmalloc | following this round of "whelp, we're there" or we revert the changes | 18:10 |
| kmalloc | from this round | 18:10 |
| kmalloc | which is also valid | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | however we decide to handle it - we should document the process in out release notes docs | 18:10 |
| * kmalloc votes for revert. | 18:10 | |
| kmalloc | and document no change-y going forward | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | #link https://docs.openstack.org/keystone/latest/contributor/release-notes.html | 18:11 |
| kmalloc | especially for ocata/newton | 18:11 |
| kmalloc | pike... less of a concern since we're cutting rc3 anyway | 18:12 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad: yes we definitely need to update that doc | 18:12 |
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| kmalloc | tl;dr lets halt the patches for Ocata/Newton and just revert | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | i noticed a couple other nits when parsing the release notes that i'll include in an update | 18:13 |
| kmalloc | and with pike *either* revert or roll forward but policy fixed. | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | kmalloc: the patches that touched the rns? | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | do they just make some corrections to the rns or something else? | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | we also have to think about the backport process | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | if a fix needs to go to stable/pike and it has a release note | 18:14 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: yeah, how is that included in the stable branch's RNs? | 18:14 |
| samueldmq | since it's based on dates? | 18:14 |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: i just switched the stable branch fixes for the links to a -2 | 18:15 |
| kmalloc | ftr | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: except for stable/pike, right? | 18:15 |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: backport the release note. | 18:15 |
| kmalloc | yeah stable pike is still +2/+A, but i would vote a revert over rolling forward | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: release notes from stable are rendered from the stable/branch | 18:15 |
| kmalloc | you can backport a clean reno to stable as it will be redered sanely | 18:15 |
| kmalloc | just don't ever "update" a reno that has been released | 18:15 |
| kmalloc | basically don't change release notes once merged | 18:16 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: I was wondering specifically the new RNs we backport | 18:16 |
| kmalloc | if it hasn't been merged to a stable/* branch, it is fine to do so. | 18:16 |
| kmalloc | it will render sanely | 18:16 |
| samueldmq | if they get included in stable/* | 18:16 |
| kmalloc | on the next stable release | 18:16 |
| knikolla | kmalloc: this one's for pike https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496323/ | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | that seems somewhat counter-intuitive to keep the release note in source control... but i don't have much of an alternative | 18:16 |
| dhellmann | kmalloc : no, don't change release notes anywhere other than the branch on which they apply. | 18:17 |
| dhellmann | kmalloc : changing it on the same branch works fine. | 18:17 |
| kmalloc | dhellmann: except if the reno was originally in say ocata | 18:17 |
| kmalloc | don't change it in pike | 18:17 |
| kmalloc | it will then render as a pike change in docs | 18:17 |
| dhellmann | kmalloc : right, change it in stable/ocata | 18:17 |
| kmalloc | w/o a lot of extra work | 18:17 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: aha, makes sense. | 18:17 |
| samueldmq | change in stable/ocata | 18:17 |
| samueldmq | and leave it "unfixed" in master | 18:17 |
| dhellmann | change the note in the branch where the note applies | 18:17 |
| dhellmann | right | 18:17 |
| kmalloc | "fixing links" is counter-intuative though | 18:18 |
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| kmalloc | i'd vote don't bother fixing on stable/ocata unless the reno is really b0rked | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | i wonder if sorting release notes by dir would be more helpful? | 18:18 |
| dhellmann | the real right way to fix those links would have been to set up redirects for them, rather than editing the old content | 18:18 |
| kmalloc | not for things like updated links | 18:18 |
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| lbragstad | dhellmann: well - the redirects were in place | 18:18 |
| kmalloc | dhellmann: welcome to bad doc migration with no redirects | 18:18 |
| kmalloc | dhellmann: or so i understand | 18:18 |
| dhellmann | you have in-tree redirects set up? | 18:19 |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: ok so revert pike changes plz | 18:19 |
| kmalloc | instead | 18:19 |
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| kmalloc | dhellmann: no for things like o.o/developer -> o.o./keystone | 18:19 |
| kmalloc | it wasn't docs in our tree | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | dhellmann: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/commit/77500b3615ae94ea45837f3fc0d503c8aadcc462 | 18:19 |
| kmalloc | it was external links | 18:19 |
| dhellmann | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120418.html | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | it was stuff like https://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/plugins.html -> https://docs.openstack.org/devstack/latest/plugins.html | 18:19 |
| kmalloc | uh. | 18:20 |
| kmalloc | yeah | 18:20 |
| dhellmann | ok. that would have meant updating the docs in the devstack repo | 18:20 |
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| kmalloc | again not in our tree | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | which does make sense because the old link drops you at the wrong spot with the redirect | 18:20 |
| kmalloc | so, lbragstad revert pike | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: well - my previous statment is true for some links in our tree too | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | let me find another example that applies to keystone | 18:20 |
| kmalloc | if it's 100% in our tree, what dhellmann pointed out for the .htaccess is fine, right? | 18:21 |
| kmalloc | i was looking strictly at the external links | 18:21 |
| dhellmann | yeah, if it's in a different repo the redirects need to be set up over there, but the process is the same | 18:21 |
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| lbragstad | so we need a redirect for https://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/event_notifications.html | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | to https://docs.openstack.org/keystone/latest/advanced-topics/event_notifications.html | 18:22 |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: ok i've swapped everything to -2 except the link for the pike-specific bug | 18:22 |
| dhellmann | the global htaccess file would redirect https://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/event_notifications.html to https://docs.openstack.org/keystone/latest/event_notifications.html | 18:23 |
| dhellmann | so you need in the keystone tree a redirect from that 2nd url to the real new location | 18:23 |
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| kmalloc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496322/1/releasenotes/notes/bug_1698900-f195125bf341d887.yaml is the only one not -2 now | 18:23 |
| kmalloc | that one looks to be legitimately a pike thing | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: and the patch gagehugo has up | 18:24 |
| kmalloc | which is from gagehugo | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | it was a by-hand revert that didn't catch the release note | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496342/ | 18:24 |
| kmalloc | ok cool that one is being left alone | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | alright - so it looks like i need to investigate the .htaccess change | 18:25 |
| kmalloc | though, if it was a revert of code... | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | and get that done sometime today | 18:25 |
| kmalloc | was the code across releases? | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: no | 18:25 |
| kmalloc | if so, don't remove the release note, add a new one | 18:25 |
| kmalloc | saying the code was reverted | 18:25 |
| kmalloc | ok | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | ok - so to recap | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | #info don't modify release notes across releases | 18:26 |
| kmalloc | don't modify release notes once they are merged* | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | #action propose an .htaccess file for keystone doc redirects | 18:26 |
| kmalloc | really. just don't | 18:26 |
| kmalloc | unless it is a within-release revert | 18:26 |
| kmalloc | dhellmann: thanks for stepping in and helping | 18:26 |
| gagehugo | ok | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | #action update release notes to reflect the outcomes and reasoning discussed in this meeting | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | and - we still need a new rc because of the following: | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: thanks | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/496342 | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | and we need to revert #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/commit/77500b3615ae94ea45837f3fc0d503c8aadcc462 | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | in order to render release notes properly - right? | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | or do we still need the patch that ignore specific release notes | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496343/ | 18:29 |
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| samueldmq | fixing things for pike and reverting for other stable/ seems fine | 18:31 |
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| samueldmq | I'm fine either way. reverting things in pike would work too | 18:31 |
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| dhellmann | kmalloc, samueldmq: sure. let me know if you need help with reviews on those redirect patches | 18:31 |
| kmalloc | samueldmq: revert anything that isn't explicitly a pike bug in the pike release | 18:32 |
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| kmalloc | i don't think anything landed, but if it did... | 18:32 |
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| lbragstad | dhellmann: on last quick question - if we revert https://github.com/openstack/keystone/commit/77500b3615ae94ea45837f3fc0d503c8aadcc462 do we still need the ignore-notes patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496343/? | 18:33 |
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| dhellmann | lbragstad : I think unfortunately you will, because the file will still be "touched" in the master branch | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | dhellmann: ack - that's what i was curious about | 18:33 |
| dhellmann | you might as well not revert, actually | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | lol - since we're two steps away :) | 18:33 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 18:34 |
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| lbragstad | kmalloc: ^ | 18:34 |
| * kmalloc still is of the opinion revert. | 18:34 | |
| kmalloc | revert should not make the file touched | 18:34 |
| kmalloc | unless reno is looking at git history | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | well - regardless of what we do - we're still going to need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496343/ | 18:35 |
| kmalloc | which case i have other complaints. | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | with or without the htaccess file | 18:35 |
| kmalloc | but that is not here or later. | 18:35 |
| dhellmann | kmalloc : yes, reno looks at the git history. It reads content out of the git commits, not from the files in the working tree. | 18:35 |
| kmalloc | can we just disable that and instead make it render based upon release note directory structure | 18:36 |
| kmalloc | that feels like it's being too clever | 18:36 |
| dhellmann | there isn't a "disable" -- that's just how it works | 18:36 |
| * lbragstad wondered that same thing a few months ago | 18:36 | |
| * kmalloc wants reno to stop being used in keystone then. but that aside. *sigh* | 18:36 | |
| lbragstad | i think it was when stevemar was refactoring a bunch of the release notes for stable/newton | 18:36 |
| dhellmann | refactoring? | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | yeah - let me grab an example | 18:37 |
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| kmalloc | people not understanding (me included) reno. | 18:37 |
| kmalloc | and making bad decisions based on lack of understanding | 18:37 |
| knikolla | reno really wants release notes to be immutable | 18:39 |
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| dhellmann | no, making them mutable was one of the design requirements | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429179/ | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429143/ | 18:40 |
| knikolla | i see. across deliverables at least. | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429145/ | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429177/ | 18:40 |
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| lbragstad | stevemar: had a bunch of patches proposed to the stable branchs to cleanup release notes after we started establishing conventions | 18:40 |
| dhellmann | ah, yeah | 18:40 |
| dhellmann | renaming should work, too | 18:40 |
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| dhellmann | with the same caveat: do it on the branch where the note appears | 18:41 |
| dhellmann | *applies | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | i want to say the majority if that was a change to master that was attempted to be backported? | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | they were massive changes, and no one really understood them | 18:42 |
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| dhellmann | ah, yeah, so that would cause the same sort of issues | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | or specifically - how reno would interpret them | 18:42 |
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| dhellmann | if you wanted to rename those, the way to do it would be to start with the oldest stable branch and rename the files there | 18:44 |
| dhellmann | then forward port that patch to the next branch and rename any others | 18:44 |
| dhellmann | lather, rinse, repeat | 18:44 |
| dhellmann | hrm, no, not quite | 18:44 |
| dhellmann | you wouldn't want to forward port | 18:44 |
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| lbragstad | i was gonna saw | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | say* | 18:44 |
| dhellmann | you'd want to rename the files in each branch that didn't exist in the older branches | 18:44 |
| kmalloc | it feels like that is a case that reno doesn't handle well? | 18:45 |
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| dhellmann | yes, it was not designed for a wholesale renaming | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | i started trying to think about how that would work and my ears started smoking | 18:45 |
| dhellmann | it was designed to let you fix broken things | 18:45 |
| dhellmann | but "I don't like the naming convention we used" wasn't really on the list of potential breaks :-) | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | so - that's another point that once a release note merges - it shouldn't be updated | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | dhellmann: sure - that was something we came up with later | 18:46 |
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| kmalloc | i like the policy of just not updating release notes in tree once it merges | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | in the case - i'd be fine letting older branches bit rot | 18:46 |
| dhellmann | you can safely make changes on the stable branch where the note applies, including editing the content, renaming the file, and even deleting the note | 18:46 |
| kmalloc | as long as we're using reno in this case. | 18:46 |
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| dhellmann | but you should probably minimize the amount you do it | 18:46 |
| dhellmann | consider the fact that the source distribution won't include the update | 18:46 |
| kmalloc | fair, but it would be much easier to just let people know to not change things. | 18:47 |
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| kmalloc | less headaches | 18:47 |
| dhellmann | well, that's up to the keystone team to set as a policy | 18:47 |
| kmalloc | source distribution and otherwise | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | so - if a patch merges in master (which is under pike development) we have up to the release of pike to make changes without messing this up | 18:47 |
| kmalloc | yeah | 18:47 |
| kmalloc | was speaking for us | 18:47 |
| kmalloc | not openstack as a whole ;) | 18:47 |
| dhellmann | lbragstad : and after the stable/pike branch is created, you can continue to update the file on that branch safely | 18:47 |
| dhellmann | but yeah, if you want a simple rule, just don't change things :-) | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | ok | 18:47 |
| kmalloc | i like the simple rule | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | man - thinking about writing patches to stable branches without backporting to master feels weird :) | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | backporting from master* | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | ok - so it sounds like we have to document this process | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | i can do that | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | then we're going to revert https://github.com/openstack/keystone/commit/77500b3615ae94ea45837f3fc0d503c8aadcc462 | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | right? | 18:49 |
| dhellmann | lbragstad : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496318/ | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | dhellmann: oh - nice | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: and we'll still need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496343/ based on how reno works, at least for this release because of the doc migration | 18:50 |
| lbragstad | s/because of the doc migration// | 18:50 |
| gagehugo | should I abandon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496342/ then? | 18:51 |
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| lbragstad | well - that should still go into master i think | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | because it was missed in a previous revert | 18:51 |
| gagehugo | ok | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | but we also need to remove it from stable/pike *or* ignore it | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | since the release note is advertising false information | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | (since the patch was reverted) | 18:52 |
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| kmalloc | delete sounds like it always works | 18:53 |
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| knikolla | lbragstad: should we exclude this specific file from the revert? it's not a release note https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496367/1/devstack/plugin.sh | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | knikolla: yeah - let's update that separately though? | 18:55 |
| knikolla | lbragstad: ok, ++ | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496367/1 reverts the links | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | does anyone have any questions? | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | about the process or what we need to do for rc3? | 18:57 |
| cmurphy | are there any patches that non-stable-cores can help with atm? | 18:57 |
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| lbragstad | we need to document things so we don't end up here again :) | 18:57 |
| knikolla | lbragstad: this needs to go to master too right? | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | knikolla: what needs to go to master? | 18:58 |
| knikolla | errr.. copy pasta fail. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496343/ | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | knikolla: according to dhellmann it should go directly to pike | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | sorry for burning the whole hour here | 18:59 |
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| lbragstad | head to #openstack-keystone and we can continue there | 19:00 |
| lbragstad | thanks all | 19:00 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 22 19:00:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-08-22-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-08-22-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-08-22-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
| clarkb | anyone here for the infra meeting? | 19:00 |
| ianw | hello! | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | I think fungi mentioned he was doing post eclipse traveling and isn't around today | 19:01 |
| jeblair | we live in a post-eclipse world | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| clarkb | er derp | 19:03 |
| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 22 19:03:42 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| clarkb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | PTG is quickly approaching. | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | Pike is right in the middle of release fun as release candidates come out and all that (so we should be careful to be slushy and avoid breaking things) | 19:05 |
| clarkb | That is all I had. Anyone have anything to add? | 19:05 |
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| ianw | clarkb: just that mirror nodes should be Xenial now, so if anyone has issues we're not aware of, let us know | 19:06 |
| clarkb | ya I've added that to general discussion so that we can talk about it a bit more | 19:06 |
| clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-08-15-19.03.txt Minutes from last meeting | 19:06 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 19:07 |
| clarkb | ianw: I'm guessing that mirror update hasn't been updated to xenial yet. Have you heard from the release team on whether or not we can move forward on that? | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | I completely failed to send the gerrit upgrade email last week so shoudl get that done nowish. And I haven't seen word of infracloud switchport counts | 19:08 |
| clarkb | #action fungi get switchport counts for infra-cloud | 19:08 |
| clarkb | #action clarkb send reminder of Gerrit upgrade after the PTG to the dev mailing list | 19:09 |
| ianw | i also completely failed on that, sorry | 19:09 |
| clarkb | #action ianw upgrade mirror-update server and bandersnatch | 19:09 |
| clarkb | that is all we had from last meeting. So moving on | 19:10 |
| clarkb | #topic Specs approval | 19:10 |
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| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462207/ is an update to the zuulv3 spec around zuul's handling of ssh keys | 19:10 |
| clarkb | jeblair: SpamapS ^ is that generally ready for approval? | 19:10 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yes, sorry! | 19:11 |
| clarkb | I think we may also want to add in the way we switch out the ifnra key for the job key? | 19:11 |
| clarkb | aiui pre playbook removes infra key from agent and adds in a per job key? Not sure if you want that to be a separate spec update though. In any case I think getting that updated as necessary would be good | 19:12 |
| jeblair | clarkb: we could -- though that's already implemented so we don't really need to drive consensus on it. may be better to find a good place to document that for posterity. | 19:12 |
| jeblair | maybe expand our base job documentation | 19:12 |
| clarkb | wfm | 19:13 |
| clarkb | The other spec I wanted to bring up was mentioned last week. | 19:13 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492287/ mark gerrit contact store spec as completed | 19:13 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:13 |
| clarkb | It has a couple depends on that could use reviews from infra-roots | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | basically all cleanup at this point, pretty straightforward. | 19:14 |
| clarkb | Are there any other specs that we should bring up today? | 19:14 |
| clarkb | sounds like not. Would be great to get 462207 reviewed and I expect that fungi will merge that when he gets back (I don't have approval bits in that repo yet). And reviews to finish up the contact store priority effort much appreciated as well | 19:16 |
| clarkb | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:16 |
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| clarkb | I don't think there is much else to add on the gerrit upgrade or contact store front. | 19:16 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: anything from zuulv3? | 19:17 |
| jeblair | nope, still chugging along | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | #topic General topics | 19:18 |
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| clarkb | One of the big things that happened last week was we upgraded our region local mirror instances to xenial from trusty in an effort to get more reliable http servers and afs | 19:18 |
| clarkb | We weren't sure if it would fix all the problems but ianw pointed out debugging a current lts is far more beneficial than the last one | 19:19 |
| pabelanger | Ya, switching to xenial has been an improvement from what I see | 19:19 |
| pabelanger | also the patch for htcacheclean 4096 directories is also working great | 19:19 |
| ianw | clarkb: only one in the list still is OVS, is that ready? | 19:19 |
| clarkb | yup I agree. Though I did notice that yesterday we had 4 cases of pip hash mismatches in rax-dfw all within a minute of each other so I think we may still have some minor issues around afs (assuming it was an afs problem in the first place) | 19:20 |
| ianw | "the list" being https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mirror-xenial for reference | 19:20 |
| clarkb | #link http://logstash.openstack.org/#/dashboard/file/logstash.json?query=message:%5C%22THESE%20PACKAGES%20DO%20NOT%20MATCH%20THE%20HASHES%20FROM%20THE%20REQUIREMENTS%20FILE.%5C%22%20AND%20tags:%5C%22console%5C%22%20AND%20voting:1&from=864000s for query on pip hash mismatch | 19:20 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mirror-xenial for finishing up mirror upgrades | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | ianw: I didn't really want to touch them until we got the account situation sorted out there just to avoid potentially causing more problems | 19:21 |
| ianw | hmm, i'll look into that, because a cluster is consistent with the segfaults we saw | 19:21 |
| pabelanger | ianw: clarkb: the ttl for proxypass also seems to be an improvement for 502 proxy errors. I haven't see any issues from buildlogs.centos.org today | 19:21 |
| cmurphy | hmm i noticed that pycrypto doesn't build properly when using the mirrors, possibly related to the mirror update? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496027/1 | 19:21 |
| ianw | cmurphy: hmm, that shouldn't be different ...looking | 19:22 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: that is good to know thanks. | 19:22 |
| clarkb | jeblair: you haven't heard anything back from jean daniel have you? Checking my email I don't have anything | 19:23 |
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| cmurphy | ianw: those tests try and fail to install gerritbot which fails building pycrypto, but it seems to work fine on the same vm without the pip.conf changes | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: negative | 19:24 |
| mordred | whoops. /me waves | 19:24 |
| ianw | cmurphy: that seems to be a problem with the host side, rather than the mirror side? | 19:24 |
| clarkb | #action clarkb follow up on ovh account situation and make sure mirrors get rebuilt there as xenial | 19:25 |
| ianw | cmurphy: ill comment | 19:25 |
| clarkb | I'll go ahead and try to track that down now that we expect people to be back from vacation aiui | 19:25 |
| clarkb | The other bigish thing that happened recently was we no longer allow glean to update dns resolvers based on dhcp content in our images | 19:26 |
| clarkb | we were having dns resolution problems in clouds like rax and it turned out we weren't using our local unbound install, we were hitting the cloud resolvers instead | 19:26 |
| pabelanger | Yes! That has helped bigtime for centos | 19:26 |
| clarkb | pabelanger did a bunch of work in glean to fix that. | 19:26 |
| pabelanger | now that we are using unbound, DNS failures are basically gone | 19:26 |
| clarkb | except for on suse where we now have the problem of using unbound :) | 19:27 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496310/ should fix unbound for suse if people can review that today | 19:27 |
| Shrews | git branch | 19:27 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496341/1 is alternate suse fix | 19:27 |
| Shrews | oops. sorry | 19:27 |
| clarkb | there ended up being two changes pushed for that, if we prefer one more than the other I will be sure to abandoned the second one | 19:27 |
| pabelanger | k, I'll look at suse fixes after meeting | 19:28 |
| clarkb | thanks | 19:28 |
| clarkb | Overall I think these changes are doing quite a bit to make test jobs more reliable so thank you to everyone that helped get them in place | 19:28 |
| pabelanger | Ya, tripleo gate pipeline hasn't reset in 24 hours now | 19:29 |
| clarkb | The last item I had for general discussion was something that happened this morning. nose-html-output is still in use by a couple projects (horizon and swift I think?) Its basically unsupported by us due nose being highly discouraged as a test runner and lack of subunit. As a result I have added amotoki to the core list as they have an interest in keeping the tool running at least for the short | 19:30 |
| clarkb | term | 19:30 |
| clarkb | if there are other individuals interested in supporting that project I think we should just go ahead and add them to the core group | 19:30 |
| clarkb | (good news is sounds like there will be new investigation of getting horizon to emit subunit so yay) | 19:30 |
| pabelanger | nice | 19:31 |
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| clarkb | #topic Open discussion | 19:31 |
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| clarkb | Anything else? | 19:32 |
| ianw | anyone mind if i get to a bindep release today? | 19:32 |
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| ianw | there's some rpm changes that will be helpful for testing python3.6 | 19:32 |
| pabelanger | can we remove fedora-25 DIB? | 19:32 |
| clarkb | re bindep any concern about that affecting the release? IIRC the unittest are pretty robust since its basically just a language parser so probably fine | 19:33 |
| pabelanger | also, somebody asked if we could remove debian-jessie too. Since openstack-deb team is getting disbanded | 19:33 |
| ianw | pabelanger: not quite, but i can do some cleanup today to get us there. fedora-26 is ok with devstack now | 19:33 |
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| clarkb | pabelanger: ya I had asked about debian but fungi pointed out projects like dib are using the image so I think we can keep it around | 19:33 |
| dmsimard | For open discussion, just wanted to mention I officially got the green light from Red Hat to spend time on upstream/infra and help you guys out. My first work item is to improve devstack-gate bash/ansible things. | 19:34 |
| ianw | clarkb: i think, looking at the changes, low risk, mostly just the changes to add "--whatprovides" to rpm calls | 19:34 |
| cmurphy | i have a mass approval request if anyone wants some internet points https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:refactor-infra-beaker the idea is to hopefully reduce the need for mass updates | 19:34 |
| pabelanger | k, the reason I ask, is we only have 100Mbps link on nb03.o.o, so it does take some time for new images to upload. | 19:34 |
| pabelanger | rackspace is crazy fast, like 30mins to upload 80GB | 19:34 |
| ianw | i don't think dib is testing on debian | 19:34 |
| jeblair | dmsimard: yay! thanks! | 19:34 |
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| clarkb | dmsimard: nice! and thank you | 19:34 |
| pabelanger | dmsimard: ^5 | 19:35 |
| clarkb | ianw: did that change to add the output of all deps get merged? I +2'd it but I think the submitter would like it if it was in the next release | 19:35 |
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| clarkb | it did merge so thats good | 19:35 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:refactor-infra-beaker mass approval revuest to reduce the need for mass updates | 19:36 |
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| ianw | clarkb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492693/ ? yep | 19:36 |
| clarkb | ianw: ya | 19:36 |
| ianw | the only outstanding changes are refactor ones ... bit iffy on code motion without other reasons for it | 19:37 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: probably the next step is do a job listing for the debian image and see if its just our bindep fallback test and the debian packaging jobs | 19:37 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: agree | 19:38 |
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| clarkb | cmurphy: I'll try to review that after lunch | 19:39 |
| cmurphy | ty clarkb | 19:39 |
| clarkb | for those of us going to the ptg is there interest in trying to have a team dinner again? anyone interested in lining that up? | 19:41 |
| clarkb | that might be better off as a ml thread | 19:42 |
| pabelanger | +1 | 19:42 |
| clarkb | I'll give it to 19:45UTC before ending the meeting but beginning to sound like that is it | 19:43 |
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| clarkb | ok thank you everyone. You can find us in #openstack-infra if we missed anything or you remember something important | 19:45 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 19:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 22 19:45:32 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-08-22-19.03.html | 19:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-08-22-19.03.txt | 19:45 |
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| zioproto | hello | 21:00 |
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| zioproto | is the Scientific WG meeting here now ? | 21:00 |
| martial | hello zioproto, yes | 21:00 |
| zioproto | hi :) | 21:01 |
| martial | #startmeeting scientific_wg | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 22 21:01:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is martial. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| martial | Hello everybody | 21:01 |
| armstrong | Hello | 21:01 |
| martial | I hope everybody is doing fine | 21:01 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Buonasera, @zioproto. ;-) | 21:01 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | Evening folks! | 21:02 |
| martial | Blair and Stig are on well deserved vacations without internet :) | 21:02 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | *slackjawed* You mean someone actually managed to persuade them to go on holiday? | 21:02 |
| martial | I "blame" significant others | 21:03 |
| trandles | hello | 21:03 |
| martial | Hi Tim | 21:03 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | ROFL | 21:03 |
| martial | so we have a short list of topics today, so we can add extra items at the end | 21:03 |
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| martial | but basically | 21:03 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 21:03 |
| martial | #topic Updated edition of the Scientific OpenStack book | 21:04 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-computing-book-update-2017 | 21:04 |
| martial | And it looks like Mr Hoge is here :) | 21:04 |
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| hogepodge | Yes, new information from the last week, I'll update the etherpad | 21:04 |
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| hogepodge | We're switching format, so editing should be easier | 21:05 |
| hogepodge | Diagrams need to be in AI format, we need an expert in that | 21:06 |
| hogepodge | Reminder that we're one month away from the HARD deadline of September 22 | 21:06 |
| hogepodge | Are there any updates from the content side? | 21:06 |
| hogepodge | Do we need to schedule a meeting to organize that? | 21:06 |
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| martial | well Today's meeting was another call for volunteers | 21:07 |
| martial | but you can see the list --so far-- at the bottom of the Etherpad | 21:07 |
| trandles | We should probably have a draft deadline in a couple weeks. I hate getting feedback then having to rush to integrate it. | 21:07 |
| jmlowe | I need to do the globus auth federation work before I can add the piece I said I would | 21:07 |
| martial | jim: we need to think of a hard deadline for review | 21:08 |
| martial | at least a week before | 21:08 |
| martial | jim: do you think this is possible? | 21:09 |
| hogepodge | cool :-D I'm playing very much a deadline enforcer role here. | 21:09 |
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| jmlowe | Maybe, pushing it here | 21:09 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Will try to get my hands on this... | 21:09 |
| hogepodge | I'm happy to facilitate in any other way you can direct me to | 21:09 |
| trandles | hogepodge: just to clarify, Sept. 22 deadline means whatever Kathy has on Sept. 22 is set in stone? | 21:09 |
| martial | Jim: we can help by doing iterative review | 21:10 |
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| martial | stefan: please do | 21:10 |
| jmlowe | put we actually need to get it done Sept. 15 to review | 21:10 |
| jmlowe | ? | 21:10 |
| rbudden | hello | 21:10 |
| martial | Hello Robert | 21:10 |
| hogepodge | Yeah, the real real deadline is the 29th, but I'm saying the 22nd to emphasize that it _has_ to be ready by the 29th, no exceptions whatsoever, so the 22nd for final copy editing. | 21:10 |
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| martial | Mr Hoge, if you think we need a phone conversation to discuss content with possible content publishers, I am sure we can accommodate this | 21:11 |
| martial | it is more a matter of getting volunteers for now | 21:12 |
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| martial | the people present here today is mostly our regular team | 21:12 |
| hogepodge | martial: ok | 21:12 |
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| martial | crowd ... I think if we want/need to outreach it, we should | 21:13 |
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| martial | maybe a post on the mailing list (although I believe it was done already) | 21:14 |
| martial | and maybe our friends here can reach out to some of their colleagues and get some content | 21:14 |
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| martial | we do not have a hard deadline on pages I believe | 21:15 |
| hogepodge | martial: probably a good idea, plus a good plan and assignment of content :-D | 21:15 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | I'll block out some of my calendar to do some of this... | 21:16 |
| hogepodge | even if it's just mostly a content refresh with a few new stories, that's good. Reflect the current state of the art in the sc community | 21:16 |
| martial | okay I will send an email to the mailing list to be safe | 21:16 |
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| rbudden | i will have updates for Bridges and our move to Ocata Ironic and local boot | 21:16 |
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| rbudden | not sure if just a google doc is a good place for the content or if you want it directly in the etherpad | 21:17 |
| rbudden | ah, I see a google doc linked in the etherpad. i’ll check that out | 21:17 |
| martial | thanks Robert, I was just checking that | 21:17 |
| martial | Robert: are you listed at the bottom of the etherpad? | 21:18 |
| martial | stefan: thank you as well, we appreciate your help on this matter | 21:18 |
| rbudden | yes, I’m in the updates section | 21:19 |
| martial | Pierre: any update? | 21:19 |
| martial | robert: thanks | 21:19 |
| martial | I think we also ought to work on a reviewer process | 21:19 |
| martial | ie assign people to review content when it is ready to do so | 21:20 |
| martial | scratch "assign" ... "request" ? | 21:20 |
| martial | :) | 21:20 |
| martial | okay anything else on the book chapters to share? | 21:21 |
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| martial | Mr Hoge, we can have a email conversation if that is useful to you | 21:22 |
| martial | seems like nothing, so I am going to move to the next topic | 21:22 |
| martial | #topic ORC Update and planning | 21:22 |
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| martial | So I know Tim was at the last meeting, and so was I | 21:23 |
| martial | the conversation is still ongoing and we are discussing the content at this point for presentations | 21:23 |
| martial | there was a request for scientific content if at all possible | 21:23 |
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| martial | any idea/comment so far? | 21:24 |
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| trandles | martial: are they encouraging remote presentations or just on-site? I can't make it to Amsterdam, but I might be able to put something together (or find someone who will) | 21:24 |
| martial | both are welcome | 21:25 |
| jmlowe | You want scientific work being done using openstack clouds? | 21:25 |
| martial | they are also trying to build the working group effort | 21:25 |
| martial | and have created google group to start the communication | 21:25 |
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| martial | there next meeting will be collocated with the Sydney meeting | 21:26 |
| trandles | jmlowe: scientific use cases for open research cloud iirc | 21:26 |
| martial | jim: actually ... (thansks Tim) | 21:26 |
| jmlowe | we have a pile of that | 21:26 |
| trandles | something that sounds a lot like jetstream ;) | 21:26 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Hmmm... Open Research Cloud, how is this related to the EOSC project in the EU? | 21:28 |
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| martial | well they are trying to built a global model with a lot of areas to cover ... more deails on the areas https://groups.google.com/a/openresearchcloud.org/forum/?pli=1#!forumsearch/ | 21:28 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Ahh, was about to ask for the Google Group name ;-) | 21:28 |
| jmlowe | ok, yep, we did nearly a whole day of use cases for our annual review, should be able to recycle | 21:30 |
| martial | You can contact Khalil or Enol | 21:30 |
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| martial | Enol Fernández <enol.fernandez@egi.eu> | 21:30 |
| jmlowe | I was profoundly unhappy with the meeting in Boston so I've been ignoring ORC | 21:30 |
| martial | K Yazdi <khalilyazdi@outlook.com> | 21:31 |
| martial | jim: it is still an effort in progress and I expect it to be for a litlte bit of time, until they get the momentum needed | 21:31 |
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| martial | but there are a few people from Industry in particular that are interested in helping build a model | 21:32 |
| martial | there was also a conversation about there being a more technical meeting right before the ORC meeting | 21:32 |
| martial | and the briefs from that meeting being presented at the ORC one | 21:33 |
| martial | I expect we will get more content as the weeks progress | 21:34 |
| zioproto | martial: you mean https://wiki.geant.org/display/CISS/1st+SIG-CISS+meeting ? | 21:34 |
| martial | yes thank you, I was looking for that | 21:35 |
| martial | so that is that for the ORC update for now | 21:36 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Ahhh... was not aware of the second congress... Will run this past my management to see if I can attend | 21:36 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Thanks! | 21:36 |
| martial | Tim and Jim, if you have content to provide and are willing to do so, feel free to contact Enol or Khalil | 21:36 |
| martial | #topic Community Voting | 21:37 |
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| martial | so I understand that the vote is completed (I voted) | 21:37 |
| martial | and unless I misread the results... congratulations Saverio | 21:37 |
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| zioproto | martial: thanks ! | 21:38 |
| martial | can you tell us a litlte bit more about what it means, for you and the SWG? | 21:38 |
| trandles | yeah, congrats zioproto ! | 21:38 |
| zioproto | sure | 21:38 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Congrats, Saverio! :-) | 21:39 |
| zioproto | so I will be in the User Committee for a 1 year term | 21:39 |
| zioproto | https://www.openstack.org/foundation/user-committee/ | 21:39 |
| zioproto | The user committee is led by a core group five individuals, who provide oversight and guidance to a number of working groups that target specific areas for improvement. | 21:39 |
| zioproto | It is still a lot to learn also for me, I had my first meeting with those folks yesterday | 21:40 |
| zioproto | The user committee mission is to: | 21:40 |
| zioproto | Consolidate user requirements and present these to the management board and technical committee | 21:41 |
| zioproto | Provide guidance for the development teams where user feedback is requested | 21:41 |
| zioproto | Track OpenStack deployments and usage, helping to share user stories and experiences | 21:41 |
| zioproto | Work with the user groups worldwide to keep the OpenStack community vibrant and informed | 21:41 |
| zioproto | I have done some cut and paste from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee#Working_Groups | 21:41 |
| martial | so when do you sleep in all that? :) | 21:42 |
| zioproto | yes it is a lot of work :) Lets see :) | 21:42 |
| martial | It looks to me that it will be a very rewarding position | 21:43 |
| trandles | zioproto: are there any changes with the User Committee and the new SIGs? | 21:43 |
| zioproto | trandles: I understood the User Committee is something that stays. The Working Groups (WG) are going to be replaces by SIGs in the long term. That is what I understood. | 21:44 |
| trandles | ok, good... :) | 21:45 |
| zioproto | trandles: User Committee is at the governance level https://governance.openstack.org/ | 21:45 |
| martial | Saverio, this looks to me that you will have a lot of good opportunities to make a significant impact, congratulations | 21:47 |
| zioproto | Thanks. The experience running Openstack is that the gap between devs and operators is still big. I hope to make this gap smaller. | 21:48 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | *applause* | 21:48 |
| martial | If we are okay, after we are done, I would like to give the floor to Tim | 21:48 |
| martial | Saverio: I look forward to your oversight and influence, Sir | 21:48 |
| martial | and now before AOB | 21:49 |
| martial | #topic SC17 | 21:49 |
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| martial | Tim? | 21:49 |
| martial | sorry Jim | 21:49 |
| jmlowe | I have the green light for a round of lightning talks in the IU booth just like last year | 21:49 |
| jmlowe | so, probably time to gather volunteers and start planning | 21:50 |
| martial | that is great news | 21:50 |
| martial | how "lightning are we talking about" | 21:51 |
| martial | ? | 21:51 |
| jmlowe | I'll have 1 to 1.5 hours, so divide by volunteers and... | 21:51 |
| rbudden | i believe last year they were 10-15 min each? | 21:51 |
| martial | I am planning to be there, so I will be happy to contribute | 21:51 |
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| rbudden | i’m happy to give a short lightning talk as well | 21:51 |
| trandles | count me in if there's space | 21:52 |
| martial | :) | 21:52 |
| jmlowe | excellent, surely there's an etherpad somewhere for this? | 21:52 |
| jmlowe | That's two | 21:52 |
| martial | we had one for SC17 did we not? | 21:52 |
| martial | let me check the meeting notes | 21:52 |
| jmlowe | It was the best attended and best received thing at our booth last year, so well done | 21:53 |
| hogepodge | We're happy to help promote anything from SC | 21:53 |
| jmlowe | We are all set to distribute updated books as well | 21:53 |
| martial | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SWG-SC17 | 21:53 |
| hogepodge | If you reach out to me I can be sure our marketing team tweets out and blogs timely info | 21:53 |
| jmlowe | I know PSC is in for books | 21:53 |
| rbudden | yep | 21:54 |
| rbudden | I can still ask about booth space for talks if we have too many for one slot of want a second go around | 21:54 |
| rbudden | *or want* | 21:54 |
| rbudden | w/e people would like | 21:54 |
| jmlowe | ok, marking you two down on the etherpad | 21:55 |
| martial | I know GWU is going to be at SC17, I was going to go talk to them early september | 21:55 |
| martial | jim: added myself as well | 21:56 |
| martial | Jim: thank you very much for sharing this piece of information | 21:57 |
| jmlowe | np | 21:58 |
| martial | well we are running close to the clock | 21:58 |
| martial | #topic AOB | 21:58 |
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| martial | anything short that we need to discuss? | 21:58 |
| zioproto | thanks for the meeting ! see you guys in Amsterdam at SIG-CISS for who will be there :) | 21:59 |
| zz9pzza_ | ttfn | 21:59 |
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| rbudden | ttyl! | 21:59 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | I hope to be there (and actually be mentally present) | 21:59 |
| trandles | later | 21:59 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | See ya! | 21:59 |
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| martial | if not, thank you kindly for coming. Once again congratulations to Saverio and Sorry tim/jim -> John | 21:59 |
| martial | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 22 22:00:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-08-22-21.01.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-08-22-21.01.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-08-22-21.01.log.html | 22:00 |
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