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| ttx | o/ | 15:00 |
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| ttx | Ping list: dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, stevemar, lbragstad, smcginnis | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 15:01 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 15:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Sep 1 15:01:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:01 |
| ttx | Agenda @ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-relmgt-tracking -- scroll down to R+0 | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:01 |
| ttx | #topic Release postmortem | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release postmortem (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:01 | |
| ttx | so... I think it went well overall | 15:02 |
| ttx | There was the issue with release announcements | 15:02 |
| ttx | Anything else we shoudl change before next time ? | 15:02 |
| fungi | what was the announcements issue again? | 15:02 |
| * fungi either wasn't paying attention or already killed off those brain cells | 15:03 | |
| dhellmann | fungi : the script to update the deliverable files for the final releases had a bug that set the wrong field so the announcements didn't include the full list of changes | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | A minor type. | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | *typo | 15:03 |
| ttx | typo in the change-from entry causing bad start of interval ? | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | Irony | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | it was litterally _ instead of - | 15:03 |
| fungi | aha, got it. i think i saw that fix blow by on wednesday but didn't pay it enough heed. thanks! | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | although that points to a need for better schema validation for that yaml file | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | I was a little surprised that wasn't caught. | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | the field isn't required, and I thought the existing schema file would have caught it, but nope | 15:04 |
| ttx | Anything else ? | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | I don't think so | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | very smooth, overall | 15:05 |
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| dhellmann | oh, well, we did have some late releases for libs, didn't we? | 15:05 |
| ttx | Do we know of some projects which ended up shipping with a pretty old intermediary-release ? | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, was a lot more peaceful than I was expecting. | 15:05 |
| ttx | that could be indicative of beingt dead/dying | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | I haven't looked at that | 15:06 |
| ttx | yeah, it's not that easy to figure out from files | 15:06 |
| ttx | before the branch we could sort files by date | 15:06 |
| ttx | Probably a good exercise for the TC, not for us | 15:06 |
| ttx | I'll have a look | 15:06 |
| * dhellmann looks at the intersection of the membership of both teams | 15:07 | |
| ttx | as part as my graveyard exercise | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Huh, big venn diagram. | 15:07 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yeah, that's what I meant | 15:07 |
| fungi | is the goal to catch releases which tagged all old/stale files, or just releases consisting of old-ish tags? | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | I've wanted to put dates on releases.o.o for a while. I'll bump that up my low priority list a bit | 15:07 |
| ttx | fungi: the goal is to spot dead projects before they start embarassing us | 15:08 |
| fungi | or looking for projects which saw significant churn after their last release but failed to propose another one before the coordinated release? | 15:08 |
| fungi | yeah, i guess all three of those scenarios is a possible indicator of some problem | 15:08 |
| ttx | yeah, at least worth a deeper look | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:08 |
| ttx | I'll run some analysis | 15:08 |
| ttx | ok, next topic then | 15:09 |
| ttx | #topic Tasks for trailing projects over the coming two weeks | 15:09 |
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| ttx | I reviewed them and spotted a few potential issues | 15:09 |
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| ttx | We have a grey area around trailing projects, as some follow milestones and some don't | 15:09 |
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| ttx | and it's hard to determine which is which | 15:10 |
| ttx | I assumed they were all intermediary-released now, but that was a mistake | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | Should we try to enforce for Queens that they at least follow one milestone prior to end of cycle? | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | yes, that has been an issue in the past | 15:10 |
| ttx | So for example the Gerrit ACL reset for cycle-trailing on R+2 | 15:10 |
| ttx | Only tripleo has a $PROJECT-release-branch thing | 15:10 |
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| ttx | the aclmanager command won't fix it for you | 15:10 |
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| ttx | since it only acts on cycle-with-milestones things | 15:11 |
| ttx | can patch it, or we can fix it manually since it's only one team | 15:11 |
| ttx | That said, Kolla should probably have a kolla-release-branch ACL | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | for the tool to propose final releases, I added a separate mode flag for the trailing projects | 15:11 |
| ttx | and a stable-maint team | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | both kolla and tripleo have milestone-based versions going right now | 15:12 |
| ttx | Since we'll be at the PTG, we could fix that all in a group exercise | 15:12 |
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| ttx | since I won't have much cycles before now and then | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | makes sense | 15:12 |
| ttx | and I'm the expert on the ACL dance | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | I'd appreciate being able to look over your shoulder too. | 15:12 |
| ttx | will be the occasion to pass down that knowledge | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | maybe you can do the talking and someone else can do the driving, ttx | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:13 |
| ttx | yap | 15:13 |
| * ttx adds to etherpad ptg | 15:13 | |
| * fungi wonders if we could eventually drive that script from release jobs as well | 15:13 | |
| dhellmann | oh, I like that | 15:14 |
| fungi | worth mulling over at ptg at least | 15:14 |
| ttx | ok added | 15:15 |
| ttx | I also used pretty relaxed lan,guage in my countdown email, compared to what those tasks show | 15:15 |
| ttx | Assuming they were mostly intermediary and not needing a final patch | 15:15 |
| ttx | I told them they could push additional RCs during the R+1 and R+2 weeks | 15:16 |
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| ttx | as long as they hit the deadline on Thursday of PTG week | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | kolla hasn't done their rc1, yet | 15:16 |
| ttx | The taskplan hints at a final addition deadline on R+1 | 15:16 |
| ttx | Given the number of projects on that list, and the fact that nobody cares if they are a day late... | 15:16 |
| ttx | I think we can afford to close the list on Tuesday for a release Thursday | 15:17 |
| ttx | (rather than close the list on the Friday before) | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | didn't we have some confusion last cycle about these trailing deadlines? | 15:17 |
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| * ttx looks up ocata-tracking | 15:18 | |
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| ttx | Fuel proposed their final early Tuesday | 15:18 |
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| ttx | maybe that's what you mean ? | 15:19 |
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| dhellmann | maybe | 15:19 |
| ttx | anyway, now that my email is out, if we want to be stricter we have to retract | 15:19 |
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| dhellmann | I don't have a problem being relaxed, as long as we're clear what the actual final date is | 15:20 |
| ttx | I was clear on that date in the countdown email | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | I thought the email was clear on dates. Hopefully there are no surprises. | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:21 |
| ttx | "need to post | 15:21 |
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| ttx | their Pike final release before the cycle-trailing release deadline | 15:21 |
| ttx | (September 14)". | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | that's clear :-) | 15:21 |
| ttx | Basically on Sept14 we can produce the patch and process it | 15:21 |
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| ttx | but yeah, would be great to have brnaches for everything on R+1 | 15:22 |
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| ttx | let's discuss that in the "unbranched projects" topic | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Only thought I had was to list the projects themselves, just so if they actually read the email, there's a better chance they see it and think "oh, that's me" and pay attention. | 15:22 |
| ttx | #topic unbranched projects | 15:23 |
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| ttx | patrole IIRC was to be considered like tempest | 15:23 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I wasn't sure | 15:23 |
| ttx | (last I asked) | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | That's my understanding. | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | I think I've already made a note that list-deliverables needs to skip over the branchless projects | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | in this query, at least | 15:24 |
| ttx | So we shoudl chase down kolla for RC1 and tripleo-quickstart for a stable/pike branch | 15:24 |
| ttx | That should happen next week | 15:24 |
| ttx | I should have listed/shamed them in the countdown email | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | I'm more worried about the rc1 than the branch | 15:24 |
| ttx | yep | 15:24 |
| ttx | Addin that as a team action for next week to pester Kolla folks for a RC1 | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | Public shaming can be effective. :) | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | at least for the projects not using pre-release versions | 15:25 |
| ttx | task added | 15:25 |
| ttx | Anything else on that topic ? | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | nothing from me | 15:26 |
| ttx | #topic PTG prep | 15:26 |
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| ttx | So we have an etherpad up | 15:26 |
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| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-PTG-relmgt | 15:26 |
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| smcginnis | It's a good start. | 15:26 |
| ttx | I think we should cover that agenda on Wed-Fri in some room cprner, rather than try to get something done in Mon-Tue | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | yes, my monday and tuesday are full of other things already | 15:27 |
| ttx | Let's use our limietd free time on Mon-Tue to field other team's questions | 15:27 |
| ttx | (in the "helproom" | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | Sure, works for me. | 15:27 |
| ttx | ) | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | i'm committed for wednesday morning, too, but free after that | 15:28 |
| ttx | OK, let's see how other things are being scheduled before we make a call | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | I have Cinder and wanted to drop in for a bit with Glance, but this will have priority. | 15:28 |
| ttx | I feel like we'll likely need half a day | 15:28 |
| fungi | i'll hang out in the relmgmt helproom monday/tuesday when i'm not busy in the infra, qa, stable or requirements helprooms ;) | 15:28 |
| ttx | a day max | 15:28 |
| lbragstad | fungi: you have a lot of rooms to be in :) | 15:29 |
| fungi | they're conveniently close to each other | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | fungi: It's all one room, right? Rotate chairs every few minutes? :) | 15:29 |
| ttx | The way I see the Mon-Tue helproom is that we should have some presence to answer questions that project teams may have about "infrastructure" in a large sense | 15:29 |
| ttx | Obviously the infra team will field zuul v3 questions | 15:29 |
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| fungi | if something comes up wednesday through friday, i'm happy to run over to wherever stuff is being discussed that could use input, just give me a heads up | 15:29 |
| ttx | It's OK if only one of us is present in the room at any time | 15:30 |
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| ttx | and even if nobody is present, if someone can redirect the questions to a time when we'll be present | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | We can also ping in the -ptg channel if someone's presence is required. | 15:31 |
| fungi | across those 5 teams, i expect that there's someone from one of the other 4 who knows the answer to >90% of teh questions anyone's likely to ask anyway | 15:31 |
| ttx | dhellmann: we could also (ab)use the room for an informal presentation on release management (annoucned by ptgbot) for interested projects | 15:31 |
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| smcginnis | I need to give one of those internally. | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | we could | 15:31 |
| ttx | like how we drive things from the releases repo, the different models, etc. Paraphrasing the project-team-guide chapter | 15:31 |
| smcginnis | Any existing material out there I could steal^wborrow? | 15:32 |
| ttx | Not necessarily a recruitment talk, just a level-set talk for new liaisons and stuff | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | ttx: were you thinking https://github.com/dhellmann/presentation-openstack-release-team-onboarding ? | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Oh nice, I missed that one. | 15:32 |
| ttx | I was thinking more about https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/release-management.html | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that would make more sense, probably | 15:32 |
| ttx | Reality is, not so many people understand that stuff as well as they think :) | 15:33 |
| ttx | Reno could use some publicity too | 15:33 |
| ttx | like "openstack is better if you get into the habit of using reno extensively | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'll see if I have some time to put together some notes for something about that | 15:34 |
| ttx | Can be prett informal / workshoppy | 15:35 |
| ttx | I fear that if we wait for people to ask questions we might never get one | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | having a few topics ready for discussions on tuesday seems like a reasonable way to go | 15:35 |
| ttx | Such a "presentation" is one way to answer FAQ | 15:35 |
| ttx | also we can do it when we end up with a hole in our busy multitasking Mon-Tue schedule | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | I've been meaning to write a blog post on reno anyway | 15:36 |
| ttx | if we do it in the helproom itself it doesn't require that much booking of space or anything | 15:36 |
| smcginnis | No projector though, right? | 15:36 |
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| ttx | OK, added a "Presentations / explanations we could give in the infra helproom on Monday-Tuesday" section to the etherpad | 15:37 |
| ttx | smcginnis: actually most rooms have AV | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | Oh great. | 15:37 |
| ttx | (integrated AV from the hotel) | 15:37 |
| ttx | (that's one of the reasons why we picked this hotel actually) | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | I think folks will appreciate that. | 15:37 |
| ttx | I think /some/ rooms won't have it | 15:37 |
| ttx | but /most/ rooms supposedly have | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | Better than the very few in ATL at least. | 15:37 |
| ttx | that's why we haven't been saying "there will be AV everywhere" | 15:38 |
| ttx | Pretty sure the large Infra helproom will have AV | 15:38 |
| fungi | exciting | 15:38 |
| ttx | fungi: something we could check with Erin I guess | 15:38 |
| fungi | sure, i'll ask her now | 15:38 |
| ttx | Last thing on PTG, we should probably organize a RelMgt + friends dinner | 15:39 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:39 |
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| * smcginnis is going to gain so much weight in Denver | 15:39 | |
| ttx | our small group + tonyb, prometheanfire (requirements and stable folks) | 15:39 |
| ttx | swpanil maybe | 15:39 |
| ttx | swapnil* | 15:40 |
| ttx | Those teams are just too small to have a "team dinner" so I think we should include them. They work so close to us anyway | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | that worked ok in atl | 15:40 |
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| ttx | smcginnis: want to handle that one ? I'm trying to organize the TC dinner already :) | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Yep, got it. | 15:41 |
| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Queens/CityGuide will hopefully have lots of suggestions next week | 15:42 |
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| ttx | So far only reflects my very limited Denver knowledge | 15:42 |
| smcginnis | We have a few locals that should be able to help fill that out. | 15:42 |
| ttx | I have great suggestions for small places, but they are likely to not be happy if we show up in parties of 7+ | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | lyft is going to be very busy coming and going to the hotel that week | 15:43 |
| smcginnis | We need the armada of shuttle buses we had in Paris. | 15:43 |
| ttx | Yes, beyond Station 26 everything else interesting seems to be 45-min walk away | 15:43 |
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| ttx | Anything else on PTG prep ? | 15:44 |
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| ttx | #topic Meeting / countdown email handover | 15:45 |
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| smcginnis | \o/ | 15:45 |
| ttx | So that was my last countdown email and meeting leading | 15:45 |
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| dhellmann | thanks for a smooth cycle, ttx | 15:45 |
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| ttx | I'm traveling next Friday, so will miss 1st meeting then | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | and big thanks for stepping up, smcginnis | 15:45 |
| smcginnis | ttx: IIRC, you suggest a one time direct email to all PTLs just stating how the release communication will go, then just the weekly ML posts? | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | do we need to meet next week? | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Glad to. | 15:46 |
| ttx | No need for a countdown email next week, I posted for R+1 and R+2 | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | I would guess there will be a lot of folks travelling. We could probably skip since we will have all the face to face time. | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | meeting, I mean | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | that's what I was thinking, smcginnis | 15:47 |
| ttx | smcginnis: that's how we did it past cycles. First an email explaining how things will be done (you have received the Pike one as PTL), then ask PTLs to formally ack it, then use ML | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | ttx: I was checking if I still had the pike one but apparently don't. | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | ttx: I remember it was informative. If you still have a copy, I'd love to take a look again and follow suite. | 15:48 |
| ttx | that was openstack-dev + cc all PTLs apparently, let me find it | 15:48 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, couldn't find it on the archives, but I can look some more. | 15:48 |
| ttx | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113303.html | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | Dang you're quick. | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 15:48 |
| ttx | Nobody can beat my crazy firefox shortcuts | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | re: meeting, I will send out an email stating no meeting next week if there are no objections. | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:49 |
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| ttx | ++ | 15:49 |
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| smcginnis | On my todo list. | 15:49 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 15:50 |
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| ttx | Anything else ? Famous last words ? | 15:50 |
| fungi | #link https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x4c8b8b5a694f612544b3b4bac52f01a3fbdb9949&fingerprint=on Queens Cycle signing key | 15:50 |
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| fungi | i'll push up the changes to swap that into production shortly after the ptg (once cycle-trailing releases are completed) | 15:50 |
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| * dims peeks | 15:50 | |
| fungi | also erin is looking up a/v situation for our ptg helproom now | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | I don't have anything else. | 15:53 |
| fungi | but don't hold up the #endmeeting for that, i can update everyone in #openstack-release once she gets back to me | 15:53 |
| ttx | no big deal if we don't have AV in that room, since we probably won't have slides anyway :) | 15:53 |
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| ttx | alright then | 15:53 |
| ttx | Have a GREAT weekend | 15:53 |
| fungi | we can borrow soem cat pics from mordred | 15:53 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:54 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Sep 1 15:54:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-09-01-15.01.html | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-09-01-15.01.txt | 15:54 |
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| smcginnis | Thanks ttx! | 15:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-09-01-15.01.log.html | 15:54 |
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| clayg | tdasilva: I'm not logged in to gerrit (on the train) can you +A https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500078/ for me? | 16:48 |
| clayg | Wrong Chan! | 16:48 |
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