| ekcs | time for congress meeting. | 00:00 |
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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 31 00:00:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
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| ekcs | hi all! welcome back to the meeting. | 00:00 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: hi | 00:01 |
| ekcs | topics collected here as usual https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:01 |
| Songming | Hi | 00:01 |
| ekcs | Not too many on there right now. | 00:01 |
| ekcs | hi Songming ! | 00:01 |
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| ekcs | pls take a minute to read/add/comment on the topics =) | 00:02 |
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| ekcs | Songming: would you like to introduce yourself real quick? like a bit about you and your interests? | 00:05 |
| ekcs | a couple more people may join late but we can get started. | 00:06 |
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| ekcs | haha maybe he’ll be back later let’s move on along then. | 00:08 |
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| ramineni_1 | ekcs: in ptg schedule | 00:09 |
| ekcs | ramineni_1: yup? | 00:09 |
| ramineni_1 | there is topic "Policy in code" goal helproom (#policy-in-code) | 00:09 |
| ramineni_1 | any idea what that might be | 00:09 |
| ramineni_1 | https://www.openstack.org/ptg/#tab_schedule | 00:09 |
| Songming | Ok, hello everyone. I am a openstack engineer.I from china. I work on neutron before. | 00:09 |
| Songming | I am | 00:10 |
| ramineni_1 | Songming: welcome :) !! | 00:11 |
| ekcs | thanks Songming ! I’ve been working with him on a couple patches and it’s been great. | 00:11 |
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| ekcs | Songming: anything else you’d like to say about yourself or your interests? | 00:11 |
| ekcs | oh and hi masahito ! | 00:13 |
| masahito | ekcs: hi | 00:13 |
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| Songming | I like basketball and swimming. | 00:14 |
| ekcs | haha great! me too. | 00:14 |
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| ekcs | masahito: Songming is an engineer from china and he’s done work in neutron. | 00:15 |
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| thinrichs | Hi all. Sorry I'm late. | 00:15 |
| ekcs | Songming: if you have any topics to discuss today or in future meeting please go ahead and add to the etherpad. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:15 |
| ekcs | hi thinrichs | 00:15 |
| ekcs | ok let’s continue then. | 00:16 |
| ekcs | #topic policy in code | 00:16 |
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| ekcs | ramineni_1: I think it’s referring to this queens goal. | 00:16 |
| ekcs | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/queens/policy-in-code.html | 00:16 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: ah, ok | 00:17 |
| ekcs | I haven’t dug into it very much. but it looks like something having to do with policy.json | 00:17 |
| ekcs | anything for us to talk about now? | 00:18 |
| ekcs | ok moving on then. | 00:19 |
| ekcs | #topic PTG | 00:19 |
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| ekcs | the planning etherpad is here as mentioned before: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-ptg-queens | 00:20 |
| ekcs | Thanks for adding your thoughts there. | 00:20 |
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| ekcs | is there anything in PTG topics brainstorm we want to discuss here? | 00:21 |
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| ekcs | ok. | 00:22 |
| ekcs | another PTG thing is we have an ongoing discussion between several projects about how the different services can work together for a self-healing infra. | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | That sounds like an interesting opportunity for Congress | 00:23 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: on which dates? | 00:24 |
| ekcs | we’re hoping to do a discussion at the PTG. planning doc is here. have not set an exact day yet, but we may fold congress session into it. | 00:24 |
| ekcs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/self-healing-queens-ptg | 00:24 |
| ekcs | I’m guessing it’ll be 9/12 or 9/13 but it’s not been set yet. | 00:25 |
| ramineni_1 | ekcs: ohok | 00:25 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: yes I expect to be involved in helping define the vision and implementation. | 00:26 |
| ekcs | if you’re interested in self-healing infra, please take a look at maybe add your name and/or thoughts to the brainstorm section. | 00:27 |
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| ekcs | we’re hoping to get things rolling at the PTG and also organize a forum session on it in the sydney summit. | 00:28 |
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| ekcs | ok let’s move on then if no more thoughts on the self-healin infra. | 00:30 |
| Songming | That is sounds include a lot of project.Now i think every project has it's own policy.We hope to use congress policy as a top level | 00:30 |
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| Songming | That's right？ | 00:32 |
| ekcs | Songming: yes exactly. every project has policy about how that project should behave. Congress (vision) is to have policy about how all the projects should behave. | 00:32 |
| ekcs | perhaps partly translated into individual project policies. | 00:32 |
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| ekcs | and it’ll be great to sketch out how everything can work together. | 00:32 |
| ekcs | one question to answer is whether there is a need for a generic policy layer at all in self-healing infra. | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | Idea has always been that you need another layer because not every project in OS is aware of what every other project is doing. | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | Information needs to flow from one project to inform what's happening in another project. | 00:34 |
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| ekcs | it may be that we just want to define specialized behavior for that domain instead of in any generic policy layer. or it may be we really want a generic policy layer. | 00:35 |
| thinrichs | Policy decisions need to be made based on a holistic understanding of what's happening in all the other components. | 00:35 |
| ekcs | agreed thinrichs | 00:35 |
| ekcs | so that’s one thing for us to discuss in this effort. | 00:35 |
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| thinrichs | I think of the specialized behavior for a domain as how you react/heal the infrastructure | 00:36 |
| thinrichs | The decision as to whether apply that behavior still needs to be made. | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | Should be an interesting discussion! | 00:37 |
| Songming | Got it. That's very usefull. I think. | 00:38 |
| ekcs | yup! | 00:38 |
| ekcs | ok last thing about PTG is remote option. | 00:39 |
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| ekcs | I’m hoping to test out something before the conference. | 00:40 |
| ekcs | I’ll set something up on ML about that with people who are interested in that option. | 00:40 |
| ekcs | that’s all I have about the PTG. anything else we want to discuss? | 00:40 |
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| ekcs | one last comment about the self-healing effort. We’re also hoping to present unified vision about how all these services can work together in a “self-healing” infra, as a talk in the summit. so we have a couple months to design that =) | 00:44 |
| ekcs | moving on then. | 00:44 |
| ekcs | #topic open discussion | 00:44 |
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| ekcs | anything else we’d like to discuss today? | 00:45 |
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| ekcs | Songming: sorry to put you on the spot again. but would you like to say a bit about what brings you to Congress? | 00:46 |
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| Songming2 | HaHa,yes.i think we need a uniform policy over networking in openstack such as security. qos. | 00:49 |
| Songming2 | That's bring me here. | 00:49 |
| ekcs | got it! | 00:50 |
| ekcs | I would love to hear sometime some of the pain points you’ve seen of doing that strictly using neutron, and figure out together how congress may be able to help. | 00:51 |
| ekcs | looking forward to continuing working together! | 00:52 |
| Songming2 | That | 00:52 |
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| Songming2 | That' great. | 00:53 |
| ekcs | great! | 00:54 |
| ekcs | so anything else to discuss or should we end a tad early? I’ll wait a couple minutes before ending =) | 00:54 |
| ekcs | oh I think P release is officially out. | 00:54 |
| ekcs | ok then. more next week! | 00:56 |
| ekcs | see you all | 00:56 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 00:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 31 00:56:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-08-31-00.00.html | 00:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-08-31-00.00.txt | 00:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-08-31-00.00.log.html | 00:56 |
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| masahito | bye | 00:57 |
| ekcs | bye masahito | 00:57 |
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| Songming2 | bye | 01:03 |
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| zhenguo | #startmeeting mogan | 02:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 31 02:01:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhenguo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: mogan)" | 02:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mogan' | 02:01 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng, shaohe_feng, wanghao, Xinran, zhangyang: o/ | 02:02 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: morning | 02:02 |
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| wanghao | here | 02:02 |
| litao__ | o/ | 02:02 |
| Xinran | o/ | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | as always, the agenda: | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Mogan#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | let's jump in | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | #topic announcements and reminders | 02:03 |
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| zhenguo | We have migrated our docs to readthedocs | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | #link http://mogan.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | #link http://mogan.readthedocs.io/projects/api-ref/en/latest/ | 02:03 |
| liusheng | o/ | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | but there are still some problems there, need to be addressed | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | not sure if you like the new theme of our docs | 02:04 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: can we address the docs build problem? | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: any new clues? | 02:04 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: no :(, may need to struggle more | 02:05 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: oh | 02:05 |
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| zhenguo | anyone else got some suggestions for the docs? | 02:06 |
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| litao__ | zhenguo: what's wrong with the docs? | 02:06 |
| liusheng | seems all of us are not a readthedocs expert | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | litao__: we got some problems when build new verons | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: yes | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | we can learn more later | 02:07 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: it looks well | 02:07 |
| wanghao | really not familiar with this readthedocs... | 02:07 |
| shaohe_feng | cool | 02:08 |
| zhenguo | ok, let's move on | 02:08 |
| zhenguo | Seems we need to make an independent release as we are not cycle-with-intermediary, so it's actually not Pike, hah | 02:08 |
| wanghao | why api is not same with other docs? | 02:08 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: Is there error info? | 02:08 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: you can got that, as the errors happened when building the docs | 02:09 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: but we can name it as Pike, right? | 02:09 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: not sure | 02:09 |
| zhenguo | like this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498479/ | 02:09 |
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| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: is readthedocs free? | 02:10 |
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| liusheng | shaohe_feng: yes | 02:10 |
| shaohe_feng | nice | 02:10 |
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| liusheng | shaohe_feng: if you are interesting, I can add you as a maintainer of the Mogan project | 02:10 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: I see | 02:11 |
| liusheng | shaohe_feng: first, you need a readthedocs account, hah | 02:11 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: at least branch name can be stable/pike | 02:11 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: we may relase a 0.1.0 | 02:11 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: yeah, that's I want to say too. | 02:11 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: hah | 02:11 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: maybe that doesn't matter whatever we name it :D | 02:12 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: yes | 02:12 |
| zhenguo | so maybe we still have some time, as we are a independent relese, lol | 02:12 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: do we need to release in pypi ? | 02:12 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: both mogan and its client | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: sure | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: seems openstack/release will help us, right? | 02:13 |
| shaohe_feng | liusheng: Great. I'm interesting. | 02:13 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: not sure if it can used for non-official project | 02:14 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: but openstack is the owner of us, so seems it should be help | 02:14 |
| liusheng | shaohe_feng: ok, so please register a readthedocs account and set your username to me | 02:14 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: maybe | 02:15 |
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| zhenguo | ok, so when will we cut the release | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | seems still got something not landed yet | 02:15 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: so what's our deadline for Pike. | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: maybe by the end of this week | 02:16 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: okay | 02:16 |
| shaohe_feng | liusheng: OK. | 02:16 |
| litao__ | so little time | 02:16 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: or at least it should be not late than PTG, lol | 02:16 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: emm, that's sure | 02:17 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: btw, we will have the on-line PTG, right? | 02:17 |
| zhenguo | we can discuss the time durning next topic according to which must be landed | 02:17 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: seems we can, lol | 02:17 |
| zhenguo | we can arrange a audio meeting | 02:18 |
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| wanghao | cool | 02:18 |
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| litao__ | audio meeting , i like | 02:19 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: maybe I can go to Intel's office, and all guys in Beijing can be there | 02:19 |
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| wanghao | you guys in Beijing can go to coffee house. : ) | 02:20 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: hah | 02:21 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: but not sure you guys can connect to the coffee house | 02:21 |
| litao__ | liusheng: you can come here | 02:21 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: that's ture. | 02:21 |
| wanghao | true | 02:22 |
| zhenguo | hah | 02:22 |
| liusheng | litao__: hah | 02:22 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: yes, you can, lol | 02:22 |
| wanghao | at least we can't inter the Huawei's basement anymore.... | 02:22 |
| wanghao | enter | 02:22 |
| zhenguo | hah, so you guys in Xi' | 02:23 |
| zhenguo | Xi'an can find a place as well | 02:23 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: Fiberhome is ok | 02:24 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: yeah, welcome to Fiberhome | 02:24 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: hah | 02:24 |
| liusheng | sounds cool | 02:24 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: welcom to intel. | 02:24 |
| wanghao | : ) | 02:25 |
| litao__ | hah | 02:25 |
| zhenguo | lol | 02:25 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: there are fruits and coffee, drinks in our office. :) | 02:26 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: coool | 02:26 |
| litao__ | shaohe_feng: so coooool | 02:27 |
| zhenguo | ok, we can create a etherpad to collect attandees and topics | 02:27 |
| zhenguo | let's move on | 02:28 |
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| zhenguo | #topic task tracking | 02:28 |
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| zhenguo | #links https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MoganWhiteBoard | 02:28 |
| zhenguo | looks like things are moving along nicely | 02:29 |
| zhenguo | only managing servers left? | 02:30 |
| litao__ | Yes, according your advice yesterday, I have refactor the code. Now testing it | 02:31 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: I will commit the patch today for review | 02:31 |
| zhenguo | litao__: cool, thanks | 02:32 |
| zhenguo | Xinran: and the key_name one | 02:32 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: I plan to commit the client patch to support getting manageable servers today. | 02:32 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: thanks | 02:32 |
| litao__ | so do i later | 02:32 |
| zhenguo | I added a new one for root disk partitions | 02:32 |
| Xinran | zhenguo, yes, will commit today | 02:32 |
| zhenguo | litao__: cool | 02:32 |
| zhenguo | Xinran: cool | 02:33 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: so maybe we can finish the manging existing job this week. | 02:33 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: yes | 02:33 |
| zhenguo | I would like to land all by this week | 02:33 |
| litao__ | come on | 02:33 |
| zhenguo | do you guys find that we only support whole disk images | 02:33 |
| zhenguo | paritions image are not support well | 02:34 |
| zhenguo | as we can't pass partions information to ironic | 02:34 |
| zhenguo | nova's flavor includes root_gb, swap_mb, ephemeral_gb partitions | 02:34 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: yes, for bare metal node , whole disk image is better? | 02:35 |
| zhenguo | litao__: not sure, but we should add partions support as well | 02:36 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: yes | 02:36 |
| zhenguo | whole disk image is not that flexible | 02:36 |
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| litao__ | but easy to use | 02:37 |
| zhenguo | hah, that's true | 02:37 |
| zhenguo | I will test this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499039/ more | 02:38 |
| zhenguo | please also help to review to make it landed before we cut release | 02:39 |
| liusheng | ok | 02:40 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: thanks | 02:40 |
| liusheng | np :D | 02:40 |
| zhenguo | ok, do we have another things want to be in Pike? | 02:40 |
| wanghao | ok | 02:41 |
| litao__ | np | 02:41 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: is it hard to implement the partitions? | 02:42 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: do not forget this spec update: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494980/ | 02:42 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: : ) | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: hah, will review soon | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: not that hard | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: we can only support fixed partitons: root_gb, ephemeral_gb, swap_mb, but you can specify any size | 02:43 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: superman | 02:43 |
| zhenguo | litao__: lol | 02:43 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: thanks | 02:44 |
| zhenguo | the disk to deply os maybe very large, like 1TB, is we use the whole disk is wasting | 02:44 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: OK. Is root_gb for the who distribution？ | 02:44 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: root_gb is for the OS | 02:44 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: users can set the root_gb to what they want | 02:45 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: and leave other space for data | 02:45 |
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| zhenguo | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1381111 | 02:46 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1381111 in openstack-ironic "[RFE] Advanced partitioning at deploy time" [Medium,New] - Assigned to lmartins | 02:46 |
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| zhenguo | the above bug if for purpose of use the rest of disk space for ceph | 02:46 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: if rebuilding or delete the server, all the data of the partitions will be erased, right ? | 02:46 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: seems only root_gb will be erased if you specify some parameter | 02:47 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: ok, got it | 02:47 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: we can add that support for rebuilding | 02:47 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: sounds cool | 02:47 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: that's like the safe-deleting for vm or volume | 02:48 |
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| wanghao | zhenguo: you know, dd 0 to disk before we delete the resource. | 02:48 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: yes, but that's time cost, lol | 02:48 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: not sure if we can support it in Mogan, maybe need ironic support. | 02:48 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: any user survey for partition? | 02:48 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: maybe hours | 02:48 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: you can see the bug I pasted | 02:49 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: yes, but it's a very safety option to users. | 02:49 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: yes, for public cloud, we have to | 02:49 |
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| wanghao | zhenguo: we can consider this function in Queens I think. | 02:49 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: but if we use volumes, seems that' not needed | 02:50 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: ironic will help to do that | 02:50 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: during cleaning | 02:50 |
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| wanghao | zhenguo: if use cinder's volume, that can be done in cinder. | 02:50 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: okay | 02:51 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: yes, volume support is one of the big tasks for us in Queens | 02:51 |
| liusheng | wanghao is an expert. hah | 02:51 |
| zhenguo | yes, hah | 02:51 |
| litao__ | sounds great | 02:52 |
| zhenguo | litao__: if you want to improve the managing servers, we can discuss during the PTG | 02:52 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: sure | 02:53 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: liusheng: haha | 02:53 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: got it. There is some scenario for partition. | 02:54 |
| zhenguo | oh, the server groups spec is still there.. | 02:54 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: yes | 02:54 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: for whole disk image, we dont' need that | 02:54 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: we will check the image type in mogan with the partitions | 02:55 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: seems server groups alrady landed, but the spec is still there | 02:55 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: oh, sorry, forgot that | 02:55 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: hah | 02:55 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: will look later | 02:55 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: thanks | 02:56 |
| zhenguo | oh, it's almost time, let's move on | 02:56 |
| zhenguo | #topic open discussion | 02:56 |
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| zhenguo | who's got a thing here | 02:56 |
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| zhenguo | hi all, please help to test our API and client before cutting the release, thanks | 02:57 |
| litao__ | ok | 02:58 |
| zhenguo | thanks | 02:58 |
| zhenguo | anything else here? | 02:58 |
| zhenguo | thanks everyone for joing the meeting! | 02:58 |
| liusheng | bye | 02:59 |
| zhenguo | #endmeeting | 02:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 31 02:59:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-08-31-02.01.html | 02:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-08-31-02.01.txt | 02:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-08-31-02.01.log.html | 02:59 |
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| eumel8 | so, who's there for the I18n team meeting??? | 13:00 |
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| ianychoi_phone | I18n meeting now? | 13:07 |
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| eumel8 | nobody's there :) | 13:07 |
| ianychoi_phone | Haha Hello eumel8! | 13:08 |
| eumel8 | but we can hold this together | 13:08 |
| eumel8 | if you like | 13:08 |
| ianychoi_phone | Yep I will arrive at my home in about 15 mins.. | 13:08 |
| jpich | Hello! | 13:08 |
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| ianychoi_phone | jpich: hi! | 13:08 |
| eumel8 | hello jpich | 13:08 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: we should wait for you? | 13:09 |
| ianychoi_phone | Haha it depends on u but i can follow now | 13:09 |
| eumel8 | ok, let's celebrate you | 13:10 |
| eumel8 | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 31 13:10:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:10 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:10 |
| ianychoi_phone | eumel8: thank u :) | 13:10 |
| eumel8 | welcome to the I18n meeting. We have jpich and ianychoi on the way | 13:10 |
| jpich | o/ | 13:11 |
| ianychoi_phone | o/ | 13:11 |
| * tosky is lurking | 13:11 | |
| eumel8 | #info PIKE is released yesterday! | 13:11 |
| ianychoi_phone | +1 | 13:11 |
| eumel8 | #link https://twitter.com/sparkycollier/status/902931011679514624 | 13:11 |
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| jpich | Woohoo! | 13:12 |
| ianychoi_phone | Hooray! | 13:12 |
| eumel8 | message from sparkycollier :) | 13:12 |
| jpich | Two more weeks to go for us cycle-trailing projects, but congratulations to the team and everyone else :D | 13:12 |
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| eumel8 | I want to thank all translators and contributors on this way | 13:13 |
| eumel8 | We have a great new version of openstack made | 13:13 |
| eumel8 | Special thanks of course to ianychoi as the PTL in Pike and the cycle before! | 13:13 |
| jpich | \o/ | 13:14 |
| eumel8 | #topic Status Pike release (final release week https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html) | 13:14 |
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| ianychoi_phone | It's my great pleasure! Now we are in Queens starting cycle with eumel8 PTL | 13:14 |
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| eumel8 | hahaha :) | 13:15 |
| eumel8 | hopefully sucessful in the same way | 13:15 |
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| eumel8 | okay, we have most of the projects in stable/pike branch now in Zanata | 13:16 |
| eumel8 | collected in the Pike Translation Board (what a great idea!) | 13:16 |
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| eumel8 | from my knowledge we leave it still in stable/branch and merge a week later to master | 13:17 |
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| eumel8 | hopefully ianychoi can do this or advice me ;) | 13:18 |
| jpich | For the regular projects, sounds good to me! For cycle-trailing better to wait a bit longer, probably until I18N liaison let you know | 13:19 |
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| ianychoi__ | +1 | 13:20 |
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| eumel8 | jpich: okay, I think we will wait. | 13:20 |
| ianychoi | (Arrived at home) | 13:20 |
| eumel8 | Or we do this during PTG, which is only one week left! | 13:20 |
| jpich | Thanks! I can let you know when tripleo-ui is ready :) | 13:20 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: welcome back! | 13:21 |
| eumel8 | we're talking about after release | 13:21 |
| ianychoi | jpich, when tripleo-ui is supposed to have stable/pike (expected)? | 13:21 |
| jpich | I think TripleO will be released during the PTG only, I expect some translations to also come after for a little while | 13:21 |
| eumel8 | and branch merging in zanata | 13:21 |
| ianychoi | Aha good - thanks a lot :) | 13:21 |
| jpich | ianychoi: stable/pike, we have (we are in RC period now) - eumel8 kindly created the matching zanata branch | 13:22 |
| ianychoi | jpich, great! eumel8! tripleo-ui is also in the infra sync list? | 13:22 |
| eumel8 | jpich: okay, then we're talking during PTG further | 13:22 |
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| jpich | for the release, we expect PTG week at the moment. I think some translators will translate that week as well so I would like to wait a bit before the translation merge back into master, if that's alright | 13:23 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: yes, it's merged. Should we set the master branch foru tripleo read-only in Zanata or how it will doing? | 13:23 |
| ianychoi | IMO, we can also merge from stable-pike to master version in Zanata to reflect new translations from stable branches | 13:23 |
| ianychoi | I think during or after PTG would be the best | 13:24 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, now should.. :) But.. would you slightly edit Zanata home wiki - translate.o.o to reflect current priority? | 13:24 |
| ianychoi | s/now/not | 13:24 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: good idea, thx. Are there more projects affected? | 13:25 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, IMO all stable-pike versions would be fine | 13:25 |
| eumel8 | my impression is someone would translate in master branch again. | 13:26 |
| eumel8 | that's for me not so 100% clear | 13:26 |
| ianychoi | Yep.. merge would solve to reflect translations to master branch | 13:26 |
| eumel8 | Okay, I would announce this on t.o.o und maybe on ml | 13:27 |
| ianychoi | Thank u :) | 13:27 |
| eumel8 | next topic? We're a little out of time :) | 13:28 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 13:28 |
| eumel8 | #topic Status of doc migration - no branching anymore, pick out version specific docs #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-migration-tracking | 13:28 |
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| eumel8 | #topic Status of doc migration - no branching anymore, pick out version specific docs | 13:29 |
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| eumel8 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-migration-tracking | 13:29 |
| eumel8 | so it's better | 13:29 |
| eumel8 | there are some changes for the doc translation | 13:29 |
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| eumel8 | from my understanding it would be easier in the future to handle doc translation because there is only one branch anymore. | 13:30 |
| eumel8 | we would discuss this in detail during PTG because there are much more changes in responsibility of documents | 13:31 |
| ianychoi | Yes - for openstack-manuals repository | 13:32 |
| ianychoi | However, install tutorial is now composed of openstack-manuals + project repositories | 13:32 |
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| ianychoi | It implies that translated documentation builds need to reflect such nature of distributed repositories | 13:33 |
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| eumel8 | for this reasons I would announce on openstack-dev after the meeting our presence during PTG for further questions. | 13:34 |
| ianychoi | Also, I am not still sure, but we can try to support migrated documentation translation if translators want (e.g., networking-guide -> admin-guide in neutron repo( | 13:34 |
| eumel8 | for me it's also not 100% clear | 13:36 |
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| ianychoi | :) | 13:36 |
| eumel8 | but there are a lot's of links from the doc team about this | 13:38 |
| eumel8 | I would mention this in the next topic | 13:38 |
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| ianychoi | Hmm, asking thoughts through mailing-list would be a good idea. | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | Next topic +1 | 13:39 |
| eumel8 | #topic Update PTG planning | 13:39 |
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| eumel8 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-queens | 13:39 |
| eumel8 | We have a new etherpad for the PTG, based on ianychoi's proposal and developed together with pkovar, the new PTL of the doc team | 13:40 |
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| eumel8 | We are in the same room and work closely together. | 13:41 |
| ianychoi | So nice! | 13:42 |
| eumel8 | There are a lot's of interesting stuff from the doc team during the whole week. | 13:43 |
| eumel8 | our goals is installation of translation check site and preparing zanata upgrade 4.0 | 13:43 |
| ianychoi | I think so. Many teams would be interested in how to document their projects a lot | 13:43 |
| ianychoi | Agreed | 13:43 |
| eumel8 | At the end we will have also our translation prios for Queens. | 13:44 |
| ianychoi | Yep | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | One note that I don't have a good idea how to handle translation priorities for stable-pike documents | 13:46 |
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| ianychoi | I think there might be no stable-pike documents AFAIK | 13:46 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: dunno, have to double check on zanata | 13:47 |
| eumel8 | my first thinking we have only master | 13:48 |
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| ianychoi | Now I think so because I have heard that there will be no stable/pike branch for openstack-manuals repository | 13:48 |
| eumel8 | yes | 13:49 |
| eumel8 | on the other hand: if the documents are later located in the project repos, it will be. | 13:49 |
| ianychoi | Yep.. :) | 13:51 |
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| eumel8 | thrilling | 13:51 |
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| ianychoi | Haha | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | Then open discussions? | 13:52 |
| eumel8 | #topic Open Discussions | 13:52 |
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| ianychoi | I have heard that the submission due of project updates (e.g., I18n project updates) for Sydney Summit is Sep 29 | 13:53 |
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| eumel8 | really? I think it's next week Tuesday. | 13:53 |
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| eumel8 | Sep 5 | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | September - about 4 weeks :) | 13:54 |
| eumel8 | I'm still not sure if I will travel to Sydney. | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I forwarded one e-mail to u | 13:54 |
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| ianychoi | Hmm.. I see | 13:55 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: There was a new email for the Queens PTLs | 13:55 |
| eumel8 | At the PTG there is a possibility to hold a video session for project retrospektive and plans. | 13:56 |
| eumel8 | I tend more to use this as the 28000 miles travel tour :) | 13:57 |
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| ianychoi | I really want to go. However, my environment is unfortunately not good now to go to Sydney | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot today - eumel8 and jpich ! :) | 13:58 |
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| eumel8 | okay, time is still over | 13:59 |
| jpich | thanks! | 13:59 |
| eumel8 | thx to all for participating and let's celebrate the Pike release for the rest of the day! | 13:59 |
| eumel8 | have a nice day/evening :) | 13:59 |
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| eumel8 | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 31 13:59:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-08-31-13.10.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-08-31-13.10.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-08-31-13.10.log.html | 14:00 |
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| shintaro | anyone here for LCOO? | 14:05 |
| AndyU | hi, I am o/ | 14:06 |
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| shintaro | let's wait for a while to see if anyone else is showing up | 14:08 |
| AndyU | ok | 14:09 |
| AndyU | I texted Jamey. | 14:09 |
| shintaro | thanks | 14:09 |
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| jamemcc | I'm here | 14:47 |
| jamemcc | Thanks for getting me Andy - sorry - I had a little time zone confusion | 14:47 |
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| jamemcc | #startmeeting LCOO | 14:47 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 31 14:47:55 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jamemcc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:47 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:47 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'lcoo' | 14:47 |
| jamemcc | FYI: Meeting info/agenda can be found at | 14:49 |
| jamemcc | #link https://openstack-lcoo.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/LCOO/pages/14652203/2017.08.31+LCOO+General | 14:49 |
| jamemcc | Main discussion today is about Containerized control plan | 14:50 |
| jamemcc | It is being proposed to have an intro session to allow question and answer at least around OpenStack Helm early next week | 14:50 |
| jamemcc | Would help to prepare the engineers who might want to participate more actively in the PTG the following week | 14:51 |
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| jamemcc | Proposed for September 5 UTC 0000 | 14:54 |
| jamemcc | #link https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?pl=1&lid=100,1850147,6&h=100&date=9/5/2017%7C6 | 14:54 |
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| shintaro | thanks jamemcc | 15:00 |
| jamemcc | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 31 15:01:32 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/lcoo/2017/lcoo.2017-08-31-14.47.html | 15:01 |
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| andreaf | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 31 17:00:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreaf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
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| andreaf | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_August_31st_2017_.281700_UTC.29 - Today's agenda | 17:01 |
| andreaf | o/ | 17:01 |
| andreaf | who's here for the meeting today? | 17:01 |
| chandankumar | \o/ | 17:02 |
| felipemonteiro | o/ | 17:02 |
| andreaf | hello folks | 17:02 |
| andreaf | let's see if someone else joins today | 17:02 |
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| andreaf | ok let's start | 17:04 |
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| andreaf | #topic PTG | 17:04 |
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| andreaf | #link session planning https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-queens-ptg | 17:04 |
| andreaf | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-pike-retrospective retrospective | 17:04 |
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| trevormc | o/ | 17:05 |
| andreaf | I setup an etherpad for a pike retrospective | 17:05 |
| andreaf | input in there is welcome - I will consolidate it before the PTG | 17:05 |
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| andreaf | #link https://doodle.com/poll/84mwxxbrtsmsaw4x | 17:06 |
| andreaf | I also setup a doodle for an evening event at the PTG | 17:07 |
| andreaf | if you are interested please vote your preferred date | 17:07 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: i have one query which day is tempest plugin split walkthrough? | 17:07 |
| andreaf | and if you know Denver and have ideas for a place add it to the etherpad | 17:07 |
| felipemonteiro | thanks, just added myself to doodle | 17:09 |
| andreaf | chandankumar: I'm not sure yet I guess we can go through as many time as needed for people when they ask | 17:09 |
| andreaf | chandankumar: we can advertise in the PTG rooms a few minutes before it happens | 17:10 |
| andreaf | trevormc: o/ - will you be at the PTG? | 17:10 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: that will help, thanks :-) | 17:10 |
| trevormc | andreaf, yes I will | 17:10 |
| trevormc | but only for w-f | 17:11 |
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| andreaf | trevormc: nice - if there is something that you would like to work with the QA team feel free to add it to the etherpad | 17:11 |
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| trevormc | andreaf, will do, thanks | 17:12 |
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| andreaf | about sessions, if you plan to discuss a topic, please setup a dedicated etherpad for it and link it to the main etherpad | 17:14 |
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| andreaf | anything else to discuss for the PTG? | 17:15 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: just an update on tempest plugin split, I talked with manila team for tempest plugin split | 17:16 |
| chandankumar | raissa: will be helping on manila side | 17:16 |
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| andreaf | chandankumar: good - raissa thanks for your help | 17:16 |
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| raissa | glad to help | 17:17 |
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| andreaf | ok next topic | 17:19 |
| andreaf | #topic Gate stability | 17:19 |
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| andreaf | The categorization rate for the integrated gate is rather bad still - 28% | 17:20 |
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| andreaf | And the utilisation of nodes is still pretty high | 17:21 |
| felipemonteiro__ | do you mind sharing the link? | 17:22 |
| andreaf | #link http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/integrated_gate.html#gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ubuntu-xenial | 17:22 |
| andreaf | #link http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ - the amount of nodes used is a graph on the bottom | 17:23 |
| andreaf | #link https://goo.gl/ptPgEw - failures in the gate integration | 17:24 |
| felipemonteiro__ | thanks | 17:24 |
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| andreaf | ok moving on | 17:25 |
| andreaf | #topic Tempest | 17:25 |
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| andreaf | There's one topic there "Addition of scenario tests in Tempest" but I don't know who added that? | 17:26 |
| lwanderley | I think it was rodrigods or raildo | 17:27 |
| lwanderley | But I guess I speak for it | 17:27 |
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| andreaf | lwanderley: sure go ahead | 17:28 |
| lwanderley | andreaf thanks | 17:28 |
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| lwanderley | we added a need ci job in a multiple domain keystone scenario | 17:29 |
| lwanderley | and we need reviews | 17:29 |
| lwanderley | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490735/ | 17:29 |
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| lwanderley | the test failed on this specific case | 17:30 |
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| andreaf | lwanderley: ok sure I'll look at it | 17:31 |
| lwanderley | andreaf great, thanks! | 17:31 |
| andreaf | lwanderley: so it's CI job running on all keystone changes? | 17:32 |
| lwanderley | it's still under review but that's the plan | 17:32 |
| lwanderley | non-voting of course | 17:33 |
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| andreaf | lwanderley: I see ok - it would be good to see that job running with the Tempest change perhaps we can see that before merging the change | 17:34 |
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| andreaf | lwanderley: does domain_specific_drivers mean that the users backend is different in different domains? | 17:34 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: what about a depends-on job with this change on keystone side to test it | 17:34 |
| andreaf | chandankumar: yeah that's what I was thinking - but first the job needs to merges on keystone side | 17:35 |
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| andreaf | anything else on Tempest? | 17:36 |
| lwanderley | andreaf yes | 17:36 |
| lwanderley | we proposed this change to deal with an additional LDAP users backend | 17:37 |
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| andreaf | lwanderley: ok | 17:39 |
| andreaf | lwanderley: well if this does not get sorted before it's something we can follow-up on at the PTG | 17:39 |
| rodrigods | i think raildo will be there ^ | 17:40 |
| andreaf | rodrigods: cool | 17:40 |
| rodrigods | thanks andreaf - would be really nice to have these latest patches merged | 17:40 |
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| raildo | andreaf, yeah, I'll be there in the PTG, so I would love to help on it | 17:41 |
| andreaf | there's still space to add proposed sessions in the QA etherpad - and add your name in there | 17:41 |
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| andreaf | ok anything else on PTG or Tempest? | 17:42 |
| trevormc | i just had one thing for tempest at the moment. | 17:42 |
| trevormc | its not critical but im looking forward to the load-list command being merged soon, is there any more opinions on this review? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487444/ | 17:42 |
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| andreaf | trevormc: heh I meant to look at it but didn't manage yet | 17:43 |
| trevormc | nice, thanks | 17:43 |
| trevormc | i left a comment regarding ids | 17:43 |
| andreaf | trevormc: what's the use case for that? | 17:44 |
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| andreaf | trevormc: if you have a list of test names add ^ $ at the beginning and end of each line and replace . with \. and you have a list of regex :) | 17:45 |
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| trevormc | andreaf: ok ill try that out, I haven't actually done a permutation on all the regex combinations | 17:46 |
| trevormc | this was something that was left in the middle I was asked to look at. I'll follow up on the use case. | 17:46 |
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| andreaf | trevormc: I was just trying to understand why we need the load-tests argument having the whitelist | 17:47 |
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| trevormc | andreaf, yeah they sound the same to me | 17:48 |
| trevormc | ill see what the difference is, if any. | 17:48 |
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| trevormc | ok we have about 800 tests and adding a ^ $ around them all would be a pain | 17:49 |
| trevormc | is what im hearing | 17:49 |
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| andreaf | trevormc: ok cool thanks | 17:49 |
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| andreaf | trevormc: ok well I guess it let's you skip using one sed command in your pipeline | 17:50 |
| andreaf | anyways I'm not opposed to it as long as it works fine :) | 17:50 |
| trevormc | cool, thanks! | 17:50 |
| andreaf | ok time's running out - 10 minutes left | 17:50 |
| andreaf | moving to next topics | 17:51 |
| andreaf | #topic Patrole | 17:51 |
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| felipemonteiro | we'd like to release a v0.2.0 release since a lot has changed since v0.1.0 | 17:51 |
| andreaf | congratulation for the release | 17:51 |
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| chandankumar | felipemonteiro: great | 17:52 |
| chandankumar | felipemonteiro: in RDO, we have tagged patrole-0.1.0 for pike release | 17:52 |
| felipemonteiro | andreaf so you're ok with it, i'll add you as reviewer? | 17:52 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro: is someone using patrole from pip already? | 17:52 |
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| chandankumar | i will update the package to 0.2.0 once released | 17:52 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro: sure | 17:52 |
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| felipemonteiro | andreaf: not that i know of, but it's possible, redhat started contributing recently | 17:53 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro: ok | 17:53 |
| felipemonteiro | so anything is possible | 17:53 |
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| felipemonteiro | that's it from me on patrole | 17:53 |
| andreaf | ok | 17:53 |
| andreaf | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:53 |
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| felipemonteiro | this unblocks broken qa-specs gate:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498665/ | 17:54 |
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| andreaf | Any review that require urgent attention? | 17:54 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: felipemonteiro need your help on aodh tempest plugin repo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498796/ | 17:54 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro: thanks - why didn't we get that from the bot I wonder? | 17:55 |
| chandankumar | aodh have a mixture of gabbi and tempest tests | 17:55 |
| chandankumar | i think same type of queries might come when we seperate heat tempest plugin to seperate repo | 17:55 |
| felipemonteiro | andreaf: dunno, mayasuki has a good patch to to make qa-specs warnings errors | 17:56 |
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| felipemonteiro | chandankumar: will look at it | 17:56 |
| andreaf | chandankumar: sure I will check | 17:56 |
| andreaf | chandankumar: I know not everyone agrees to the goal anyways so we cannot force teams to implement it | 17:57 |
| chandankumar | felipemonteiro: andreaf thanks :-) | 17:57 |
| andreaf | chandankumar: but I can comment on that review for sure | 17:57 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: yes same situation turned up for manila also | 17:57 |
| andreaf | chandankumar: yeah I saw the chat during the manila meeting | 17:57 |
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| andreaf | ok two minutes left - anything else? | 17:58 |
| andreaf | 3.. | 17:58 |
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| andreaf | thanks everyone | 17:58 |
| andreaf | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 31 17:58:40 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-08-31-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-08-31-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-08-31-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 31 21:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:00 |
| efried | o/ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:00 |
| cfriesen_ | \o | 21:00 |
| mriedem | alright then | 21:00 |
| mriedem | #link meeting agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:00 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| mriedem | well we know pike is released | 21:01 |
| mriedem | good riddance | 21:01 |
| dansmith | I'll say | 21:01 |
| melwitt | heh | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #link Queens release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Queens_Release_Schedule | 21:01 |
| mriedem | i have to fill in ^ | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #info Re-propose specs for Queens | 21:01 |
| cfriesen_ | resource tracking is going to haunt us | 21:01 |
| mriedem | i love resource tracking but it doesn't love me | 21:02 |
| mriedem | ok that's about it for release news | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| mriedem | nothing marked critical | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #info 4 new untriaged bugs (up 1 from last week) | 21:02 |
| mriedem | gate status is ok | 21:03 |
| mriedem | 3rd party ci status is, ok? | 21:03 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:03 | |
| mriedem | #link Consider signing up for the Queens PTG which is the week of September 11 in Denver, CO, USA: https://www.openstack.org/ptg | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | #link Pike PTG topics etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-queens | 21:04 |
| mriedem | i will hopefully get more serious about organizing that etherpad next week | 21:04 |
| mriedem | right now it's PLACEMENT...CELLS...EVERYTHING ELSE | 21:04 |
| mriedem | #info Be a star and consider the Pike project update interview at the PTG: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/121369.html | 21:04 |
| melwitt | yeah. are we gonna have designated times for syncing with cinder and neutron teams? | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | thursday morning is nova/cinder love time | 21:05 |
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| dansmith | yeah, 9th green at 9 | 21:05 |
| dansmith | for both | 21:05 |
| mriedem | don't know about neutron | 21:05 |
| mriedem | kevinbenton hasn't been returning my calls | 21:05 |
| mriedem | or texts | 21:05 |
| mriedem | or letters | 21:05 |
| kevinbenton | mriedem: you called? | 21:05 |
| melwitt | haha | 21:05 |
| mriedem | oh NOW you decide to respond | 21:05 |
| kevinbenton | mriedem: you don't even hang out in the #openstack-neutron channel :) | 21:05 |
| mriedem | sure as shit i do | 21:06 |
| mriedem | anyway, kevinbenton if you want to talk PTG stuff later we can | 21:06 |
| kevinbenton | mriedem: i haven't finished a schedule for neutron PTG so i'm flexible for a cross session | 21:06 |
| kevinbenton | mriedem: ack, let's chat in channel | 21:06 |
| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 21:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:06 | |
| mriedem | well, we drop one, we add one | 21:06 |
| melwitt | another thing to consider with PTG scheduling is, whether we should try to break stuff up into some time chunks to make it easier for people to move between rooms | 21:06 |
| mriedem | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 21:06 |
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| dansmith | melwitt: we did that last time right? | 21:07 |
| dansmith | I assumed we would again | 21:07 |
| mriedem | did we? | 21:07 |
| dansmith | yeah, didn't we assign some times to things? | 21:07 |
| melwitt | I don't think we did. some folks were disappointed with the lack of ability to move between rooms | 21:07 |
| mriedem | yeah, morning/afternoon | 21:07 |
| mriedem | but not granular like to the hour, like at the summit | 21:07 |
| mriedem | some people == mel | 21:07 |
| efried | There's that #openstack-ptg channel | 21:08 |
| melwitt | haha, nooo | 21:08 |
| efried | where we're sposed to announce when we're gonna move on to a topic. | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | yeah there is a bot thing now to notify when something is happening in a room | 21:08 |
| dansmith | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-pike | 21:08 |
| dansmith | we did for L287 and 288 | 21:08 |
| mriedem | yeah there are common rooms for cross-project things | 21:08 |
| dansmith | there were meeting times for some of the cross-project ones, that's probably what I'm thinking about though | 21:08 |
| dansmith | like the api wg one | 21:08 |
| mriedem | that you can schedule a block of time | 21:09 |
| mriedem | the horizontal topic things are also mostly monday/tuesday | 21:09 |
| mriedem | leaving wed-friday for nova-specific stuff | 21:09 |
| clarkb | efried: it has a "now" topic and a "next" topic | 21:09 |
| mriedem | in our cave | 21:09 |
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| melwitt | I never move so it's not about me. I just heard some people felt stuck in the room so as not to miss the topic they wanted | 21:09 |
| mriedem | yeah, i hope the bot helps with that, | 21:09 |
| dansmith | we scheduled the neutron and keystone syncs | 21:09 |
| mriedem | plus, if you're there, and you want to be pinged when we start talking about something, put your nick in the etherpad next to said topic | 21:09 |
| dansmith | anyway | 21:10 |
| bauzas | holy ship | 21:10 |
| dansmith | +1 to slots | 21:10 |
| * bauzas waves super late | 21:10 | |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to appease melwitt and only melwitt with slotifying the ptg topics down to the nanosecond | 21:10 |
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| melwitt | lol | 21:10 |
| mriedem | melwitt: i will totally be happy to trade doing that for you doing the project update | 21:10 |
| mriedem | with the red hat marketing team | 21:11 |
| mriedem | so as for stable stuff, | 21:11 |
| melwitt | I'll take a look at that, maybe I could do it | 21:11 |
| mriedem | stable/pike is active | 21:11 |
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| mriedem | and we have some known bugs coming out of pike FF/RC1/RC2 for edge cases with placement stuff | 21:11 |
| mriedem | which will all get backported | 21:12 |
| mriedem | we've had recent releases for ocata and newton, so those are pretty stable atm | 21:12 |
| mriedem | no pun intended | 21:12 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:12 | |
| mriedem | dansmith: cells v2? | 21:12 |
| bauzas | mriedem: planning a stable version soon-ish ? | 21:12 |
| bauzas | given all the backports | 21:13 |
| mriedem | not until several more bugs are fixed and backported | 21:13 |
| bauzas | okay, fine by me | 21:13 |
| bauzas | will prioritize that then | 21:13 |
| mriedem | did we lose dansmith? | 21:13 |
| dansmith | sorry | 21:13 |
| dansmith | we talked about ptg topics | 21:13 |
| dansmith | details are in the ptg etherpad | 21:13 |
| dansmith | only one minorish bug since rc2 | 21:14 |
| dansmith | winning. | 21:14 |
| dansmith | that's all | 21:14 |
| mriedem | edleafe: scheduler? | 21:14 |
| edleafe | Most of the meeting was spent discussing the options for returning data from the scheduler once we support alternates for each instance, along with the allocations for each choice. | 21:14 |
| edleafe | We agreed not to use a cache for the allocations, and to use an object to manage the data returned from select_destinations() | 21:14 |
| edleafe | There is already a much more limited Destination object in the RequestSpec, so that may be adapted to add this new information. | 21:14 |
| edleafe | Lots of pre-requisite work, such as BP/specs for returning alternates and allocations still needs to be done first. | 21:14 |
| edleafe | Fin. | 21:14 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:15 |
| mriedem | api meeting, i wasn't there | 21:15 |
| mriedem | not sure anyone here was there either given timezone | 21:15 |
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| mriedem | notifications, | 21:15 |
| mriedem | there was a meeting | 21:15 |
| mriedem | The subteem meeting and weekly status mail has been restarted | 21:16 |
| * mriedem speaks for gibi | 21:16 | |
| mriedem | I started a ML thread and an etherpad to collect who is using nova notifications and I'm trying to get feedback and possible new contributors. #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/121651.html | 21:16 |
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| mriedem | and finally cinder, | 21:16 |
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| mriedem | meeting was today. there was a new cinderclient release that has some stuff we need | 21:16 |
| mriedem | patches in nova are going to be rebased | 21:17 |
| mriedem | and ildikov is re-proposing the specs | 21:17 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 21:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stuck reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:17 | |
| mriedem | nothing on the gaenda | 21:17 |
| mriedem | *agenda | 21:17 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:17 | |
| mriedem | nothing on the agenda so i'll open it up | 21:17 |
| mriedem | ok well i guess that's it | 21:18 |
| mriedem | thanks everyone | 21:18 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:18 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 31 21:18:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-08-31-21.00.html | 21:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-08-31-21.00.txt | 21:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-08-31-21.00.log.html | 21:18 |
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| kevinbenton | hello! | 22:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 22:01 |
| amotoki | hi | 22:01 |
| alisanhaji | hi | 22:01 |
| davidsha | hi | 22:01 |
| ihrachys | hi | 22:01 |
| armax | hi | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 31 22:03:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 22:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:03 |
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| kevinbenton | #topic announcements | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 22:03 | |
| kevinbenton | armax has pushed the patch to open the queens specs directory | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | armax: do you have the link handy? | 22:04 |
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| armax | hang on | 22:04 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498953/ | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | armax: and a link to the specs build to show what went into pike? :) | 22:06 |
| armax | sure | 22:06 |
| armax | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/53/498953/2/check/gate-neutron-specs-docs-ubuntu-xenial/7f40f42//doc/build/html/ | 22:06 |
| ihrachys | hm. doesn't it show same things you moved to backlog in Pike? | 22:07 |
| ihrachys | ah wait, I misread | 22:07 |
| armax | it’s at the bottom | 22:07 |
| kevinbenton | well the things under Pike in that build there should be the specs that landed in pike | 22:07 |
| armax | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/53/498953/2/check/gate-neutron-specs-docs-ubuntu-xenial/7f40f42//doc/build/html/#backlog | 22:08 |
| ihrachys | is classification framework done? why is it there? | 22:08 |
| armax | ihrachys: that’s the point of the patch, it needs reviewing | 22:08 |
| armax | I don’t believe half of the stuff got done | 22:08 |
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| kevinbenton | yes, so please review that patch and the stuff there so we can get other stuff carried forward | 22:08 |
| ihrachys | oh ok, I thought we rubber stamp :p | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | nope | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | I don't think egress is done either, but it would be good to confirm with who is working on things | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | other features are good I beleive | 22:09 |
| armax | OK | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: is the gate ok now? | 22:11 |
| ihrachys | I rechecked the grenade revert just now | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | because of functional failure (unrelated) | 22:12 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | once it's in, we'll also need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499585/2 | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | and probably https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499725/3 when ready | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | and of course, all that is to backport | 22:12 |
| kevinbenton | ack, thanks | 22:12 |
| kevinbenton | the PTG is coming up quickly | 22:13 |
| kevinbenton | has everyone added their name to the etherpad that is going to attend? | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | remind the link | 22:13 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-queens-ptg | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | RH list is complete | 22:14 |
| kevinbenton | ok, cool. I will put the schedule together next week | 22:14 |
| kevinbenton | anyone else have any announcements before we start looking at some RFEs? | 22:15 |
| ihrachys | I won't join next week | 22:16 |
| ihrachys | I have some conf here in SF Thu-Fri | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | ack | 22:16 |
| armax | which one? | 22:16 |
| ihrachys | http://www.opendevconf.com/ | 22:17 |
| armax | get out of town! | 22:17 |
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| armax | :) | 22:17 |
| ihrachys | yeah it's pretty hot | 22:17 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys: enjoy! | 22:17 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:17 |
| kevinbenton | #topic RFEs | 22:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 22:18 | |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle, you mentioned that some folks wanted to discuss some specific ones before we dig into the list | 22:18 |
| mlavalle | I think alisanhaji and davidsha | 22:18 |
| mlavalle | I know alisanhaji has an RFE for sure | 22:18 |
| alisanhaji | Hi, yes, this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1692951 | 22:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1692951 in neutron "[RFE] DSCP mark on the outer header" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 22:18 |
| alisanhaji | We discussed it in the QoS meeting and they said it should be discussed here | 22:19 |
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| ihrachys | ok. question: is there a reason not to reuse the existing rule? | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | +1, why do we need all of the API work to enable overrides? | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | i can see this being much simpler if we just carry inner to outer | 22:21 |
| alisanhaji | Only so that we can have outer without inner, but I think we could do it anyway | 22:21 |
| ihrachys | I would say, if you want DSCP preference, you probably want it across all network types transparently | 22:21 |
| alisanhaji | kevinbenton: yes, the OVS ports can be created with inherit option, or updated | 22:21 |
| kevinbenton | The problem here is that the DSCP mark for the underlay should be completely transparent to the tenants | 22:22 |
| amotoki | copying inner dscp to outer sounds reasonable. | 22:22 |
| amotoki | alisanhaji: can we update existing vxlan ovs port? | 22:22 |
| alisanhaji | yes, for OVS a simple set can work. For LB it doesn't if it is not created that way AFAIK | 22:23 |
| kevinbenton | (so adding a special qos flag for tenants to set when they don't even know the infra or encap type isn't good) | 22:23 |
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| kevinbenton | alisanhaji: ok, so would you be okay trimming out basically all of the API stuff and just have inherit automatically happen? | 22:23 |
| kevinbenton | or does that prevent the critical use cases? | 22:24 |
| alisanhaji | kevinbenton: sorry? | 22:24 |
| kevinbenton | alisanhaji: no new rule types | 22:24 |
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| kevinbenton | alisanhaji: just automatically inherit dscp marking from the inner encap | 22:25 |
| alisanhaji | Well we can extend the old rule | 22:25 |
| mlavalle | alisanhaji: not modify the API, just copy the DSCP mark | 22:25 |
| alisanhaji | Ah | 22:25 |
| alisanhaji | You mean without the tenant involvment? | 22:25 |
| mlavalle | right | 22:25 |
| kevinbenton | alisanhaji: the issue is that a tenant would have no idea what DSCP marking is appropriate for the underlay | 22:26 |
| kevinbenton | so I don't see how they would know what to put in these rules | 22:26 |
| armax | if we copy blindly from inner to outer is there a possibility that this would go against settings as specified by the admin? | 22:26 |
| armax | I mean the network admin, not even the openstack admin | 22:27 |
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| amotoki | so in most cases qos rules are defined by openstack admin (or who can know network infra) and shared to tenant users | 22:27 |
| ihrachys | in general, qos policies are managed by openstack admin. they will need to negotiate with network admin if using dscp is somehow a bad thing for the network. | 22:28 |
| ihrachys | if there is concern that it breaks something, maybe a conf option will do (enabled by default) | 22:28 |
| alisanhaji | Can't the openstack admin know what rules suit the underlay network? | 22:28 |
| mlavalle | yeap, that is what I was thinking | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | ok, well then maybe this should be an admin-only API | 22:28 |
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| ihrachys | kevinbenton, qos policies are admin-only | 22:28 |
| ihrachys | unless you modify polic7 | 22:28 |
| ihrachys | *policy | 22:28 |
| alisanhaji | yes they are admi-only by default | 22:29 |
| amotoki | DSCP rule itself are intended to use by admin-only | 22:29 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachys: ah, sorry | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | i was thinking users could create policies on their own networks | 22:29 |
| amotoki | if operators allows tenants to create it, they should be careful | 22:29 |
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| armax | we should definitely preserve a way to keep the existing behavior where the inner rule doesn’t propagate to the outer header | 22:30 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 22:30 |
| armax | though that doesn’t seem that interesting | 22:30 |
| armax | in the sense that it might be seen as an oversight | 22:30 |
| amotoki | so we need a conf option for this, right? | 22:30 |
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| armax | what happens with vlan as seg type? | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | well maybe a new API does make sense if qos is already admin-only... | 22:31 |
| amotoki | do we need a new API? QoS API is generally neutral to which backend is used | 22:32 |
| alisanhaji | armax: There is an RFE on VLAN 802.1Q tagging: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505631 | 22:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505631 in neutron "[RFE] QoS VLAN 802.1p Support" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | amotoki: well new rule type i mean as suggested in RFE | 22:32 |
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| davidsha | As in adding a flag to the existing rule --propagate=True or such? | 22:32 |
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| kevinbenton | continuing on armax's question, is this relevant for vlan/flat? | 22:33 |
| armax | memory is slowly coming back | 22:34 |
| amotoki | there is no outer IP header for vlan/flat, so it is unrelated | 22:34 |
| alisanhaji | For VLAN, we need to be able to tag with 802.1Q first | 22:34 |
| ihrachys | that's a completely different feature | 22:34 |
| alisanhaji | nad have a suitable map between DSCP and 802.1Q | 22:34 |
| amotoki | I think syncing dscp mark to 802.1q priority is a different thing | 22:34 |
| alisanhaji | Well, it's priority tagging | 22:35 |
| kevinbenton | we probably could get by with a config option to disable/enable inheritance on the agent | 22:36 |
| alisanhaji | kevinbenton: Yes we could. There is already a config option in LB to set TOS | 22:36 |
| alisanhaji | I don't know if it works with inherit | 22:37 |
| kevinbenton | shall we start with that and get all of the implementation kinks worked out in the agents and then reconsider API-controlled behavior later? | 22:37 |
| amotoki | +1 to a config option. it is not clear to me what is the real value which have a different qos rule or a flag in dscp-marking rule | 22:37 |
| kevinbenton | because this lands in the intersection of rules and network encap types | 22:38 |
| kevinbenton | it doesn't cleanly fit as part of a qos rule by itself | 22:38 |
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| alisanhaji | That's a good start | 22:38 |
| ihrachys | + works for me | 22:38 |
| mlavalle | +1 | 22:38 |
| kevinbenton | armax: are you okay with that as a start? you said it didn't seem interesting :) | 22:39 |
| armax | I meant the dscp tag only on the inner packet | 22:40 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: ok, then are you okay with starting out with an agent config to disable/enable inheritance? | 22:41 |
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| ihrachys | btw do we even need that inheritance knob? if dscp rule is created, at least underlay supports it for flat/vlan no? | 22:42 |
| ihrachys | why not tunneled? | 22:42 |
| armax | djd I drop? | 22:42 |
| mlavalle | you did | 22:42 |
| ihrachys | <kevinbenton> armax: ok, then are you okay with starting out with an agent config to disable/enable inheritance? | 22:42 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: the knob might not even be necessary, we can figure that out in the review | 22:42 |
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| armax | meant the dscp tag only on the inner packet | 22:43 |
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| ihrachys | ok, so we agree that it's useful to have it on outer; we need to reword RFE; we will figure out config knob need during review. | 22:44 |
| ihrachys | is it a good tl;dr? | 22:44 |
| kevinbenton | ok, then i'll mark this as rfe-approved and put comments capturing the changes | 22:44 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: +1 | 22:44 |
| armax | sounds good to me | 22:44 |
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| kevinbenton | excellent | 22:44 |
| alisanhaji | great | 22:44 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: was there another? | 22:44 |
| mlavalle | maybe davidsha wants to pitch something? | 22:44 |
| davidsha | This RFE: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1705536 | 22:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705536 in neutron "[RFE] L3-agent agent-mode dvr bridge." [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:45 |
| armax | no more DVR features! | 22:45 |
| armax | go away! :) | 22:45 |
| davidsha | :P | 22:45 |
| armax | davidsha: no office :) | 22:45 |
| armax | *offense | 22:46 |
| davidsha | armax: None taken :) | 22:46 |
| davidsha | I have a basic PoC just showing it working with IPv4, I just have to enable floating IP | 22:46 |
| davidsha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472289/ | 22:46 |
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| ihrachys | "compatible with DPDK and Windows" | 22:47 |
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| armax | actually the impact doesn’t look too bad | 22:48 |
| armax | I am intrigued | 22:48 |
| armax | ihrachys: come back!! | 22:48 |
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| armax | davidsha: have you given any thought to the comment I made on the RFE? | 22:50 |
| armax | like, how to handle migration if this is something we’d even want to consdier? | 22:50 |
| armax | and how would this L3 mode work with HA and VRRP | 22:50 |
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| davidsha | armax: I'd have to talk more with the L3 team about it, mlavalle would it be ok to discuss this next week? | 22:51 |
| mlavalle | davidsha: of course | 22:51 |
| ihrachys | I know I am a PITA, but I honestly think it's not the right time to touch this code. we don't seem to have it not breaking into pieces every time we touch it. we never delivered on making DVR+HA working and voting in gate, and I think stabilization and bug fixing is the thing to focus on on L3 side, not rearchitecture. that's my 2cents. | 22:51 |
| mlavalle | let's put it in the agenda | 22:52 |
| armax | ihrachys: you’re stealing my lines | 22:52 |
| davidsha | mlavalle: thanks | 22:52 |
| armax | just saying | 22:52 |
| armax | :) | 22:52 |
| armax | that said, the way davidsha seems to have approached at the problem looks like it’s nearly a 100% non-overlap | 22:53 |
| armax | now, I am not saying I support this RFE in principle | 22:53 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, this approach is nice in that it's not invasive | 22:53 |
| armax | but if we managed to bring the non-overlap to 100% or (in reverse logic) 0% overlap | 22:53 |
| armax | I can’t see why we could not consider have this available for users to play with... | 22:54 |
| armax | so long as.. | 22:54 |
| ihrachys | it may exist as an experimental feature I guess | 22:54 |
| armax | we are clear upfront what the scope of the whole effort is | 22:54 |
| ihrachys | that will need to prove itself in gate and whatnot to move to supported | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | maybe we can revisit this one in a couple of weeks after the PTG once we have a better big picture of development for this cycle? | 22:54 |
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| mlavalle | so we can continue maturing it as a POC, they way it's been done so far | 22:54 |
| armax | like no migration required etc | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | (and after the PTSD has worn off from the gate disaster :) ) | 22:54 |
| ihrachys | if I can have it not disabled/dropped on all my customers, I would be happy | 22:54 |
| ihrachys | *not enabled | 22:54 |
| armax | there’s literally no coverage of the new code from davidsha, am I right? | 22:55 |
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| armax | ihrachys: I feel you | 22:55 |
| ihrachys | armax, I've heard that about the mode we just landed | 22:55 |
| ihrachys | but I am not blocking. I think it's up to l3 team to figure out how to isolate it as much as possible | 22:56 |
| armax | ihrachys: totally agree | 22:56 |
| ihrachys | I just ask not to enable it by default, give it time, gate... | 22:56 |
| armax | if I see one line of code where it shouldn’t be | 22:56 |
| armax | I make changes to gerrit to apply a -3 | 22:56 |
| davidsha | armax: ack | 22:56 |
| mlavalle | davidsha: we can take this guidance and refine next week in the meeting | 22:56 |
| kevinbenton | i wonder if there is a way this can be architected as a drop-in extension | 22:57 |
| armax | kevinbenton: go away | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 22:57 |
| armax | kevinbenton: but seriously, care to elaborate? | 22:57 |
| ihrachys | :))) | 22:57 |
| mlavalle | yeah please | 22:57 |
| armax | not sure I fully understand what you mean | 22:57 |
| ihrachys | pluggable agent mode implementation. we don't seem to have enough pluggable things. | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | well i was thinking some way to load up this code using the extension stuff added for fwaas/vpnaas | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | but this looks much more tightly coupled to internal router processing | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | so that's probably too much to put into the extension framework | 22:58 |
| armax | um like if it were a router type? | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | we would need to have hooks everywhere | 22:58 |
| armax | dvr_kickass? | 22:58 |
| armax | or kickass_dvr? | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | not a different flavor | 22:59 |
| davidsha | armax: I'm switching dvr_bridge to that... | 22:59 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, ...which means changing architecture for existing users, which is no go | 22:59 |
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| armax | davidsha: please do! | 22:59 |
| armax | :) | 22:59 |
| davidsha | :) | 22:59 |
| armax | kevinbenton: I think we’ll have to either that offline or somewhere else | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: yeah, it would require more hooks | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:59 |
| armax | we’re 1 min to the top of the hour | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | my clock says times up | 22:59 |
| armax | but my suggestion would be to minimize the invasiveness | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | so thanks everyone | 22:59 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 23:00 |
| armax | davidsha: good work btw! | 23:00 |
| ihrachys | armax, amen | 23:00 |
| amotoki | o/ | 23:00 |
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| davidsha | Thanks! | 23:00 |
| kevinbenton | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
| alisanhaji | Thanks, bye | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 31 23:00:13 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-08-31-22.03.html | 23:00 |
| armax | addio | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-08-31-22.03.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-08-31-22.03.log.html | 23:00 |
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