Tuesday, 2017-10-03

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hongbin#startmeeting zun03:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct  3 03:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.03:00
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kiennt26hi everyone03:02
hongbinhi spn2 kiennt2603:02
hongbinit looks today is chinese holiday, nobody is here03:02
hongbinspn2: kiennt26 i guess we can briefly share a update , then close the meeting shortly03:03
hongbinspn2: you have anything to update for hte clear container side?03:03
spn2i am not working on the code as of now. i am setting up a demo for the presentation.03:04
spn2i have around 15 machines which am using for this03:05
hongbini see03:05
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hongbinspn2: thanks for sharing, look forward to your presentation03:05
kiennt26hongbin: yup, due to zuulv3 migration, it's not much update last week.03:06
kiennt26About the bp migrate-to-zuulv3, I will propose some patches but we need to wait for infra-team.03:06
kiennt26The gate still very unstable03:06
hongbinkiennt26: ack, thanks for working on this bp03:06
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hongbinfor me, i am working on lakerzhou to get the SR-IOV support ready in kuryr side03:06
hongbini believe shunli is working on SR-IOV support on zun side03:07
hongbinthen, there will be a presentation at sydney summit03:07
hongbinthat is all from me03:07
hongbinall, thanks for joining the meeting03:07
hongbinlet's have a short meeting today, see you next time03:08
spn2sure thank you03:08
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tpatilPing, Anyone from Masakari project?04:02
tpatilDinesh_Bhor sagara: Today Sampath won't join this meeting and also I don't see Honjo online04:03
sagaraLet's check today's agenda04:04
tpatilShould I start the meeting?04:04
sagaratpatil: Yes, please start it04:05
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Dinesh_BhorThe agenda is not updated for todays meeting04:05
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Do you want to start today's meeting?04:05
sagaraSampath-san won't come today04:06
rkmrHonjooh. I don't have topics.04:06
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Today Sampath won't join this meeting04:06
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tpatilLet me chair today's meeting04:07
Dinesh_Bhoryes, please04:07
tpatil#startmeeting  Masakari04:07
rkmrHonjosorry, thanks.04:07
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tpatil#topic High Priority Items04:07
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tpatilAnyone has any high priority items for discussions?04:08
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tpatilOk, let's move on to next topic04:09
tpatil#topic Bugs (stuck/critical)04:09
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sagarait seems no stuck/critical bugs04:10
tpatillet's move on to next topic04:10
tpatil#topic Discussion Points04:11
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tpatilApplication for become OpenStack oficial project:04:11
tpatil# link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500118/04:11
patchbotpatch 500118 - governance - Masakari - Instances High Availability Service04:11
tpatilThis patch is not merged yet, but there are several +2, hopefully it will be merged soon04:12
tpatilInstall guide document04:12
tpatilAbhishek will use the official project templates to document installation guide.04:12
rkmrHonjoTakahara wrote documents about masakari-monitors. Please review it.04:13
rkmrHonjo#link  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500118/04:13
patchbotpatch 500118 - governance - Masakari - Instances High Availability Service04:13
rkmrHonjo#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489095/04:13
patchbotpatch 489095 - masakari-monitors - Masakari-monitors operator's documentation04:13
rkmrHonjotpatil: thanks.04:13
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tpatilNext item : recovery method customization04:14
tpatilI need to discuss two options to add mistral actions04:14
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tpatil1. Add all required actions in masakari repo04:14
tpatil2. Create a new repo04:15
tpatilwith option #1, wherever mistral executor is running, operator will need to install masakari package, is it acceptable to operators?04:15
tpatiloption #2 is straight forward04:16
tpatilThe new repo will be a library (masakari-mistral-actions) which should be installed on mistral executor nodes04:17
tpatilDo you have guys any comments on option#1?04:17
tpatilI have seen option #1 is used in tacker project04:18
rkmrHonjotpatil: In #1, we can divide package. So I think that operators will accept the install the package e.g. "masakari-mistral-action.deb".04:19
tpatil# link : https://github.com/openstack/tacker/tree/master/tacker/mistral04:19
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Sounds like a good option04:20
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tpatilNext topic: Find hosts without specifying segments04:21
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tpatil# link : Find hosts without specifying segments04:22
tpatil# link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506986/04:22
patchbotpatch 506986 - masakari-specs - Find segment by specifying host04:22
rkmrHonjoI wait the workflow +1 for this spec.04:22
rkmrHonjoSampath said that he'd like to review this.04:22
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rkmrHonjotpatil: And, thank you for reviewing the implementation. Takahara will create a new patch according to your comments.04:23
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Let's follow-up with Sampath and get this specs merged soon04:23
tpatilNext item: Queens Work items04:24
rkmrHonjotpatil: ok, I say it to samp.04:24
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Thanks04:24
tpatil# link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-queens-workitems04:24
tpatilAdd ssl support to devstack04:25
tpatil# link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508419/04:25
patchbotpatch 508419 - masakari - Add ssl support for masakari plugin04:25
tpatilI have +2 on this patch04:26
tpatilPlease review04:26
rkmrHonjook, I review it.04:26
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Thanks04:26
tpatilAnyone wants to talk about any tems from Queens work items?04:28
sagaratpatil: no04:29
tpatilMoving to next item04:29
tpatilBM HA (ironic+nova)04:29
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tpatilI think Sampath is working on this item, let's discuss on this topic in the next meeting04:30
tpatilNext item: OpenStack Proposal Bot updates04:30
tpatilI see there are several bot patches up for review04:31
tpatilIf Jenkins is passing, should we approve these patches as is?04:32
Dinesh_BhorI think yes,04:32
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Dinesh_BhorIf the updated lib is not breaking anything in masakari then it's safe to merge it04:33
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rkmrHonjosorry, I left these patches. ok, I review it.04:33
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Thanks, please review this one, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477955/, I have already voted +204:34
patchbotpatch 477955 - masakari - Updated from global requirements04:34
rkmrHonjotpatil: sure.04:34
tpatil#topic AOB04:35
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tpatilMigrate from launchpad to Storyboard04:35
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tpatilI don't have any update about this item. Sampath should take this decision04:36
rkmrHonjoYeah. I think that we should research & understand storyboard, and plan to migrating.04:37
tpatilI think this item is low priority, anyone finds time for research, please do so and update their findings in the meeting04:39
tpatil#topic Ansible support for Masakari04:39
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rkmrHonjotpatil: agree.04:39
tpatilI haven't worked on Ansible, so don't have any info at this moment04:41
rkmrHonjome too.04:42
tpatilAnsible deploys OpenStack, so it looks that we need to enhance ansible to build compute node HA setup04:43
diablo_rojo_phontpatil: WRT migrating to Storyboard. Here's some documentation. https://docs.openstack.org/infra/storyboard/migration.html04:44
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tpatildiablo_rojo_phon: Thanks for the pointers04:44
diablo_rojo_phonSorry to interrupt :) I just work on Storyboard and am helping facilitate the migration. If you have questions feel free to drop in #storyboard04:44
rkmrHonjodiablo_rojo_phon:thanks, I'll read it.04:45
diablo_rojo_phontpatil: no problem :)04:45
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tpatilI will discuss with Sampath about Ansible topic and let's decide how we should go ahead about this item in the next meeting04:46
rkmrHonjotpatil: Sure.04:46
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tpatilThat brings us to the end of this meeting, Anyone has any other topics for discussions?04:47
Dinesh_Bhoryes, I have one AOB today04:48
Dinesh_BhorPlatform9 guys are using masakari in their production. So they are interested in the support of multinode masakari-engine.04:48
Dinesh_BhorFor this feature there is a new etcd3 service for distributed key-value storage which we can use directly or the tooz lib which internally uses etcd3.04:48
Dinesh_Bhorthis will be a good addition to masakari04:48
Dinesh_BhorI started exploring etcd.04:49
tpatilDinesh_Bhor: use etcd3 for storing locks info used for synchronization?04:49
Dinesh_Bhortpatil: yes04:49
Dinesh_BhorThe newer version tooz uses etcd04:49
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tpatilDinesh_Bhor: Yes, definitely, let's use tooz library for multiple node installation.04:51
Dinesh_Bhortpatil: Okay,04:51
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tpatilLet's end the meeting04:52
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sagarathanks, bye04:53
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davidsha#startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier14:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct  3 14:01:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is davidsha. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
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davidshaHi everyone14:01
igordchi davidsha14:01
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davidshaI'll wait 2 mins for more to join.14:02
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igordcwhat's up bcafarel14:02
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bcafarelhaving fun with zuulv3 fallout mostly :)14:03
igordcbcafarel: :(14:04
davidshaAs long as your having fun :P14:04
davidshaI guess we should start14:05
davidsha#topic CCF v0 - Update14:05
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bcafarelreedip will probably pop in (now that fwaas meeting was moved)14:05
davidshaI've most of the proposed changes implemented, just had a few issues with my dev environment that have help me up.14:06
davidshaI should have at least the database migrations patch and the models patch up by Friday.14:07
davidshaAre there any questions for the patches?14:08
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igordcdavidsha: when is v0 ready to merge?14:08
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igordcdavidsha: should existing code be merged as is and then smaller patches submitted to fix the multiple parts towards v1?14:09
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davidshaigordc: When there is a consensus on it being ready to merge is the simplest answer.14:09
davidshaigordc: That could be an issue with database migrations14:10
davidshaWe don't want 2 or 3 migration contractions and expansions because we pushed it in too early14:10
davidshaButt sooner rather than later is prefered, especially when people need to experiment for PoCs14:11
igordcdavidsha: you need the migrations when releasing v114:11
bcafarelcan't we allow updating the migrations until v1 is there?14:11
igordcdavidsha: there is no release for v0... migrations can be adapted14:11
davidshaThat's true, fair enough.14:12
davidshaIf there are not massive problems with next next patch will we merge it then and refine it as we progress?14:12
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davidshaWill Zuul also be an issue?14:13
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igordcdavidsha: sounds good to me14:14
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davidshaok, will we move on?14:14
bcafarelif there are no major objections, having an "initial v0" in tree will be nice indeed14:14
bcafarelfor zuul, it should be ok ccf-wise14:14
bcafarelthere may be failures, but "generic" ones14:15
bcafarelhopefully in a few days the dust will have settled a bit14:15
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davidsha#topic PTG discussion14:15
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davidshaI was hoping tmorin would be here for this, cause now I need to speak on his behalf14:16
davidshaHe forwarded me an etherpad with some of the discussions he had outside of the main track: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-queens-ptg-ccffwaas-raw-notes-tmorin14:17
davidshaHave you all seen the live streamed discussions of the Neutron PTG?14:17
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bcafarelI played them while doing other things, guess I missed the ccf discussion :/14:19
davidshapeople are just reviewing this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-queens-ptg-ccffwaas-raw-notes-tmorin14:19
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igordchi mlavalle14:19
davidshabcafarel: I believe the CCF discussion was on the Tuesday morning video14:19
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reedip_sorry for being late14:20
igordchi reedip_14:20
davidshagive me 2 mins and I'll try to grab it14:20
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reedip_hi igordc14:21
davidshaHere is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58AyKXHkI-I14:21
mlavalleyeap, that's the one14:21
davidshaSo one of the topics tmorin noted in his etherpad was tracking classification/group usage to know if we can delete them.14:22
mlavalleYou can also look at the CCF summary here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122583.html14:23
davidshamlavalle: Thanks! forgot about the mailing list summary.14:23
davidshaI'll copy the CCF one into tmorin's etherpad actually14:24
reedip_yep that has the gist of the meeting, I remember the fwaas discussion for ccf :)14:25
igordcdavidsha: cool I'll fix the spec, the one attached seems to be the flow manager14:25
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davidshaigordc: your right.14:26
reedip_guys brb14:27
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davidshakk, just on the etherpad, the first 2 topics, knowing that a classification/group has been consumed and classifications being read/write. Any comments?14:28
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davidshaOn the second one, I believe classifications should be read only otherwise we have the update problem.14:29
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igordcdavidsha: I tend towards read-only14:29
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davidshabcafarel: your thought?14:29
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bcafareldavidsha: sorry, was looking for the merged spec14:30
davidshabcafarel: no problem14:30
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davidshabcafarel: this one isn't it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993/14:31
patchbotpatch 333993 - neutron-specs - Neutron Common Classification Framework (MERGED)14:31
bcafarelbut leaning towards read-only too, updating one and potentially syncing a firewall, a SFC, ... on it does not look like a good idea14:31
igordcoh... what is this?14:31
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igordcdavidsha: yeah... oh because bcafarel mentioned it14:32
igordcdavidsha: you*14:32
davidshaOk, so read only is the decision. What about tracking classification usage?14:33
davidshaIn earlier patches I could track when a classification was consumed through RPC, however that was against the idea of keeping this at the service plugin layer.14:33
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bcafarelI guess tracking usage is mandatory if we want to keep the feature consuming services do not need to keep a local copy of the classification14:35
davidshaAny suggestions? igordc, bcafarel, mlavalle?14:35
bcafarelso we can allow deleting CCF resources only if they are not in use14:35
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igordcdavidsha: I see the tracking useful at least to check if classifcations can be deletd (not being consumed)14:35
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igordcdavidsha: but if there's an alternative to tracking it's also fine I think14:35
igordcand now patchbot has quit...14:36
davidshaigordc: I think the alternative is not allow deletion :P14:36
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davidshabcafarel: Ya14:37
igordcdavidsha: yes, that is a perfect solution to this problem! KISS, very S14:37
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mlavalleKISS works for me14:38
davidshamlavalle is throwing his weight behind not being able to delete the classification resource, a decision has been made ;)14:39
mlavallemhhh, I'm going to be blamed at some point in time ;-)14:39
davidshaLol, we can do some more path finding for this as the PoCs are being developed. so we can kick this can down the road I guess.14:40
igordcdavidsha: yes but the final impl on this aspect should be before v114:41
davidshaThere is mention of FWaas drafting a spec for this and BGP VPn doing the same, so I'll need to find those when they go up14:41
davidshaigordc: Of course14:41
bcafarelno progress on the SFC side, was too busy on other fronts14:42
bcafareldavidsha: so I won't block you! (for now)14:42
davidshabcafarel: same for me, I was working on a qos one, but it's been lost in some obscure branch name now....14:43
davidshaThe next thing is horizon, what will we need to do to make a component?14:44
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davidshaCan we extend Horizon from the Neutron Classifier repo like the openstack client or do we need to submit something to horizon?14:45
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igordcdavidsha: I think so, but once ccf becomes neutron-stadium or more than the code would be moved to horizon itself14:45
igordcdavidsha: which is ccf v2 at least, I expect14:46
reedip_afksorry, my network has issues with me14:46
davidshaigordc: ack, something else to revisit in the future.14:46
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davidshareedip_afk: np14:46
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bcafarelyep I don't think keeping it in-house will be a problem short-term14:47
davidshaOk, that sounds like a plan then#14:47
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bcafarelso akihiro was a volunteer to get it done?14:47
mlavalleamotoki: ^^^^14:47
davidshaI'm not sure, we'd need tmorin to clarify14:48
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davidshaWe're running out of time, I don't think the points from the summary need to be discussed, will we move onto the next topic?14:49
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davidsha#topic Call for requirements14:50
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davidshaThere hasn't been any response on the mailing list so I won't bring this up again next meeting14:51
davidshaI added it because it was mentioned at the PTG.14:52
davidshaSo we can move onto open discussion if no one has anything to add.14:52
mlavalledo you mean from the FWaaS team and others?14:53
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davidshamlavalle: well just in response to the mailing list, I'd need to talk to tmorin and see was it discussed14:53
reedip_afkdavidsha : I think as per our last discussion, the protocols mention in the IP_PROTOCOL would be useful, right ?14:54
davidshaIn neutron lib right?14:55
davidshaThere were a few we were not going to pursue I think but generally yes14:55
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davidshaWe're coming up to the end of the hour, I'll switch to open discussion in case people have something they want to bring up14:56
davidsha#topic Open discussion14:56
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davidshaAny topics anyone would like to mention?14:57
amotokiI was away from keyboard a while14:57
davidshabcafarel: don't for get to share :P14:57
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igordcmaybe I'll use this time to clarify my positon on the ccf14:57
mlavalleI have a few questions14:58
amotokii think horizon support should be done per each *service* project like fwaas, sfc, so I don't think we need ccf-specific support14:58
igordcdue to other priorities I won't be driving the CCF anymore - however I will continue to follow its developments and provide input if I can14:58
davidshaamotoki: If it's a common resource between each service though?14:59
igordcamotoki: you do need a specific UI for the definition of classifications14:59
davidshaigordc: ack14:59
amotokidavidsha: afaik this is the first case, so I think we need more discussion14:59
davidshaWe're out of time, we'll move this to #openstack-neutron14:59
bcafareligordc: thanks for all the restart/spec effort14:59
igordcbcafarel: ;)15:00
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ihrachys#startmeeting neutron_ci16:00
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ihrachysbefore we start, I'd like to mention that I was not very attentive to upstream fallout lately so I may miss crucial things. if so, speak up.16:01
ihrachys#topic Action items from prev week16:01
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ihrachyswe had two items for the same16:02
ihrachys"ihrachys to report bug for iptables apply failure" and "jlibosva to triage iptables apply failure in linuxbridge scenarios job"16:02
ihrachysI am afraid I haven't done the job, but let me check16:02
jlibosvaI haven't found time to look at it16:02
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ihrachysoh I actually did, wow https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/171971116:02
openstackLaunchpad bug 1719711 in neutron "iptables failed to apply when binding a port with AGENT.debug_iptables_rules enabled" [High,Confirmed]16:03
ihrachysmy memory bank is not long enough it seems.16:03
ihrachysjlibosva, will you? or we should find someone else?16:03
jlibosvaI'd love look at it but I was busy with some other things lately ..16:04
jlibosvaI was also two days off last week so that's my excuse :)16:04
haleybihrachys: i can look, just didn't have time this past week, but since i have another iptables issue on my plate i will have that part of my brain swapped-in16:04
ihrachyswe are not to blame here :)16:04
ihrachysjlibosva, sounds fair if we pass the cake to haleyb ?16:05
jlibosvathank haleyb :)16:05
ihrachysok, assigned to haleyb16:05
ihrachys#topic Grafana16:05
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ihrachysgrafana is dead: http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate16:06
ihrachysno data points16:06
ihrachysprobably a fallout of zuulv3 switch16:06
ihrachyshaleyb, I remember you asked about it. was there any progress after that to get it back?16:06
ihrachysany patches to chew?16:06
haleybihrachys: no, that was near end of day here, but i could take a look.  this zuulv3 change was not as clean as i expected16:07
ihrachyshaleyb, I suspect it's because job names changed16:07
ihrachysmaybe our board was not updated with new16:07
haleybihrachys: yes, there's a lot of legacy-* now16:07
ihrachysyeah, no 'legacy' matches in grafana/neutron.yaml16:08
ihrachys#action haleyb to update grafana board with new job names16:08
ihrachysI hope this part of the repo is still fresh and we don't need to learn more new ways16:08
haleybwho is going to update all the jobs... :(16:09
ihrachysthey can live as legacy for a while16:09
ihrachysthe main problem is that we now are on the hook to migrate them if we need improvements/new jobs...16:09
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ihrachysa lot of patches were caught in flight16:09
ihrachysmlavalle, are you aware of anyone working on migration to new job format?16:10
bodenI might wait to see what happens with zuul v3 before doing too much work.. based on the latest ML thread there are a lot of problems and folks are starting to talk about a revert if we can’t get the gates healthy with v316:10
mlavalleI pinged back the person who asked about it on Friday16:10
mlavallebut didn't get back to me16:11
ihrachysboden, wow that's harsh16:11
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bodenwell it has been pretty disruptive16:11
bodenneutron-lib gate is on the floor and there are also issues with neutron gate16:12
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ihrachysyeah, I see patches falling with POST_FAILUREs16:13
ihrachysI thought we were past that?16:13
bodenthere are other problems16:13
ihrachysapparently more bits of the puzzle were deployed16:13
ihrachysboden, do we have a list of grievances on our side?16:14
bodenI’ve been adding them here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-migration-faq16:14
bodenso far for neutron I only noticed the legacy releasenotes job busted… but its busted across the board best I can tell16:14
bodenneutron-lbi is diff story16:14
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armaxdo we have a list of neutron related jobs that are known to be unstable/broken?16:15
bodenthe only list I have is that faq… but its hard to tell right now b/c there are random POST_FAILURES that are not related to gate “job logic” best I can tell16:16
armaxshall we attempt to focus on one pipeline at the time? there might be common problems and once we identified those it’s easier to do a sweep across the board?16:16
ihrachysyeah, that would be nice to have something neutron specific. I think we could do a quick triage of failures in our gates based on late patches and have a list that we would then run against what's in faq, and if smth is not there, escalate it to infra16:17
armaxperhaps the neutron-lib pipeline is easier to bring back to sanity?16:17
bodenarmax: TBH I think it has more problems than neutron16:17
armaxthen go to neutron and the other networking-* projects?16:17
armaxboden: even better :)16:17
bodenI’d say get neutron working 1st16:17
bodenI know for sure the legacy releasenotes is busted16:17
ihrachyslet's start the pad16:17
ihrachys#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-zuulv3-grievances Etherpad for zuulv3 grievances16:17
bodenwhy not just add to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-migration-faq so everyone knows the issues16:18
bodenother people might have similar problems16:18
bodenother people = other projects16:18
ihrachysI think it makes sense for ourselves to understand what's the fallout and then cross-match with what they alredy track16:18
ihrachysI don't intend to have it forever, just to classify and pass over16:19
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ihrachyswe have neutron, -lib, and client + stable branches to classify16:19
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armaxwhat about we have a liasion on each of these areas, tasked to report a status of the gate by EOB?16:20
bodenFYI: I did land this patch to try and fix a lib gate job: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508945/16:20
ihrachyswe could split those right now and work the next 24h on getting the full picture?16:20
armaxthen perhaps we can have a ad hoc sync-up tomorrow to see where we are?16:20
ihrachysarmax, yeah +16:20
armaxI can take neutron-lib16:20
ihrachysI take stable16:20
ihrachysall of them16:21
mlavalleI'll take Neutron16:21
ihrachyswho's on neutron?16:21
armaxwho wants to take the neutron- and networking- ones?16:21
ihrachysteam team team team. if you can't work as a team...16:21
ihrachysmlavalle, I put your name in the pad16:22
bodenI dont mind to help, problem is I’m nearly gate illiterate16:22
ihrachysmore volunteers for the rest?16:22
haleybi can look at client16:23
armaxI’ll have a look at the periodic runs I have time16:23
armaxhaleyb: take it off of me then16:23
ihrachyshaleyb, check the list of not assigned in the pad16:23
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armaxI added myself but happy to hand it over :)16:23
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* haleyb takes a step back :)16:24
ihrachysok. if nothing else, I am not too nervous about networking- / neutron- / periodic at this point16:24
ihrachysit's on subteams (except periodic that doesn't block)16:24
armaxso for now we don’t worry about the non-voting jobs, right?16:25
ihrachysthanks for everyone who is not a chicken16:25
ihrachysarmax, yeah, goal is unblock gate16:25
* mlavalle is a chicken but is trying to hide it16:25
ihrachyswe will review the gate in a week for others16:25
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armaxI think let’s try to figure out the grafana black hole asap16:25
armaxwe can’t fix what we can’t see16:25
haleybwe're more like squirrels who all got run over by the zuulv3 bus, and it's backing-up now16:25
haleybarmax: i was going to look at grafana, most likely just needs update to job names16:26
armaxhaleyb: true, but we’ll have to move away from the legacy- prefix sooner or later16:26
ihrachysthat's after we are back on our legs16:26
* jlibosva is also chicken16:27
armaxunless we want to create a legacy dashboard16:27
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armaxeither way16:27
haleybarmax: i hope we don't have to do that16:27
ihrachysI don't think infra in a position to force the switch through further16:27
armaxgreat, I get a status.json: Proxy Error when looking at http://zuulv3.openstack.org/16:27
armaxihrachys: agreed, but I loathe to see ‘legacy’ everywhere :)16:28
ihrachyshaleyb, I don't think that's realistic hope16:28
haleybihrachys: you mean not having a legacy dash?16:28
armaxI hope the translation is pretty straightforward16:28
ihrachyshaleyb, not having to do it16:28
ihrachysarmax, it's switch to ansible man16:28
ihrachyswell, we could call a bash script from there I guess?16:29
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armaxihrachys: rock. on.16:29
haleybi will see what other dashboard changes landed recently i guess16:29
ihrachyswould probably make sense to move definitions as scripts into neutron tree; then work on ansible switch as needed.16:29
ihrachysso excited of all the productive work we are about to do16:30
ihrachysI don't think we have anything to discuss for grafana or gate without data, so let's move on16:31
ihrachys#topic Bugs16:31
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ihrachysI don't see anything new in the list except the iptables apply issue that haleyb will look at16:31
ihrachysso we can focus on gate for the most part.16:31
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ihrachys#topic Fullstack16:32
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ihrachysI am not sure there is a lot of reason to discuss fullstack or scenarios at the point where we are right now. thoughts?16:32
armaxit’s like discussing that the house is dirty when the roof is on fire16:33
ihrachys#topic Open discussion16:33
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ihrachysanything critical that is more important than putting the fire off to discuss?16:33
armaxback to the zuulv3 topic any idea what to do with node_failure errors?16:34
armaxit seems like infra is fighting stability issues of their own?16:34
bodenarmax; yes, that’s what I said earlier… the infra isn’t even stable enough to test the gate jobs now16:34
ihrachysarmax, maybe ask them about whether they have it fixed, or when it's going to be fixed16:35
mlavalleso maybe talking to them, to get a sense as to where they stand16:35
ihrachysmaybe they will tell us straight they revert and we don't need to do the work in the first place :)16:35
armaxOK, I am going to learn a bit about this today so that I can ask intelligent questions16:35
mlavalleihrachys: that's a nice dream16:36
ihrachysmlavalle, not really, only means you will go through another round of pain in the future16:36
mlavallethat's true16:36
ihrachysok, thanks everyone, let's follow up with infra, and classify. that will be something already.16:36
ihrachyskeep up16:36
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lbragstadping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar17:00
lbragstad#startmeeting keystone17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct  3 17:00:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'keystone'17:00
lbragstad#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting17:00
lbragstadagenda ^17:00
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samueldmqlbragstad isn't it 1 hour earlier for the meeting yet?17:01
lbragstaddst is next moth17:02
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bretontimezones got someone17:02
bretonbecause the meeting is in 1h17:03
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lbragstadwhat?! bah17:03
lbragstadsorry about that17:03
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breton in #openstack-meeting on Tuesdays at 18:00 UTC ( https://www.google.com/search?q=current+utc+time ) :p17:03
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lbragstadsome day i'll figure out dst17:04
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lbragstadsee everyone in 56 minutes!17:04
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lbragstadping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar18:00
lbragstad#startmeeting keystone18:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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lbragstad#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting18:00
lbragstadagenda ^18:00
lbragstadalighty - let's try this again18:00
lbragstadwe'll give folks a few minutes to trickle in18:01
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lbragstad#topic Sydney Media Session18:02
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lbragstadgagehugo: added this to the agenda but he's not here - so i can explain it18:02
lbragstad#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-09-28-17.01.log.html18:03
lbragstadcontext ^18:03
lbragstadif anyone is interested in participating in a security discussion in sydney please feel free to ping gagehugo or lhinds18:03
lbragstadthey are looking to do some interviews focused on OpenStack + security18:03
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lbragstadif that sounds interesting to you or if you want to participate in those, ping gagehugo18:04
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lbragstad#topic trello sync18:04
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lbragstad#link https://trello.com/b/5F0h9Hoe/keystone18:05
lbragstadone of my action items from the retrospective in Denver was to be better about communicating with various people driving things throughout the release18:05
lbragstadnow that we have a trello board, this seems like a natural fit18:05
* hrybacki nods18:05
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lbragstadi figured we could spend a few minutes getting a quick status on where folks are at, if they need help/reviews, etc...18:06
lbragstadwe can start with the in progress column18:06
lbragstad#link https://trello.com/c/b5ovuvqG/1-project-tags18:06
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lbragstad#topic trello status: project tags18:06
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lbragstadi reviewed most of that stuff last week and it's looking really good - i don't see anything preventing us from landing that in queens-118:07
lbragstadspilla: lamt ^ anything you want to add there? anything you need help with outside of reviews?18:07
lamtlbragstad I am good. I think that's what's left, and some filtering work for the client left18:08
spillajust a few kinks were working out with comparators, but other than that reviews are always greatly appreciated!18:08
lbragstadcool - i'll revisit the reviews be EOW for sure18:08
lbragstadfor server at least, i imagine the client bits will be easier once we have the keystone implementation landed18:09
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lbragstad#action keystone team to finish reviewing project tags implementation18:10
samueldmqI will make sure to revisit them too18:10
samueldmq(project tags)18:10
lbragstadsamueldmq: ++ thanks18:10
lbragstad#topic trello status: v2.0 API removal18:10
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lbragstad#link https://trello.com/c/XTkAiqaB/21-remove-v20-apis18:10
lbragstadwe have a bunch of patches in flight and they are passing18:10
lbragstadbut we're really just hung up on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499783/18:11
lbragstadmainly due to the zuul switch over18:11
lbragstadnothing really to do here until that enters the gate18:11
ayoungDon't you need something more than recheck for the merge pipeline kmalloc ?18:12
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lbragstadkmalloc: reapplied a +2/+A last night, and i checked with infra this morning18:12
ayounglike reverify or summat18:12
lbragstadthey merged those two things iirc18:12
lbragstadsounds like a zuul restart is the answer at this point18:13
lbragstadthere is a thread going on the topic18:13
lbragstad#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123049.html18:13
ayoungits in the check queue18:13
lbragstadcool - that must have happened since this morning18:14
ayoungthrid from the top, 1hr26 until its up18:14
lbragstadawesome - i'll keep an eye on it, we should start seeing the rest of those patches go through18:15
lbragstadonce that's in18:15
ayoungSecond from top, actually, behind a Cinder one...18:15
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ayoungat some point I should actually learn how Zuul works18:15
lbragstadyeah... it'd be helpful for giving the infra team a hand at times like this18:16
ayoungIf only we knew someone that worked on it18:16
lbragstad... right18:16
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lbragstad#topic trello status: system scoping18:16
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lbragstad#link https://trello.com/c/9jYTqjgc/22-implement-system-scoping18:17
lbragstadi have patches up the start the implementation here - i also have the specification up18:17
lbragstadall reviews welcome18:17
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lbragstadif you're curious about getting your hands dirty with the code, let me know - i have several patches in flight18:18
ayoungCouplea questions on that18:18
ayoungare we going to have something that indicates "all services"  and "this subset of endpoints?"18:18
lbragstadayoung: right now - we're not even getting that far18:19
lbragstadbut the initial implementation shouldn't prevent us from doing that in the future18:19
ayoungDoes system imply all services the way it is written?18:19
lbragstadI rewrote the specification to summarize everything we discussed at the PTG18:19
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lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464763/18:19
lbragstadditching the global approach with a system approach18:20
lbragstadI also added a section in the current spec why we chose that route18:20
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ayounglbragstad, so,  I'd argue you dropped some wisdom from previous discussions in that spec:18:20
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ayoungwe have discussed service scoped roles many times in the past, and that seemed to be the best mapping for what you have here18:21
ayounga service scoped role is a system scoped role the way you wrote it, but it CAN be more specific18:21
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ayoungI'd go for an approach that allows us to move that way18:21
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lbragstadif there is a seem where we can add it in the spec - let me know and i'll try and work it in18:22
ayoungi.e. this token is only valid on Nova systems, or is only valid on this specific nova endpoint.  etc18:22
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ayounglbragstad, will do18:22
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lbragstadi think the conclusion at the PTG was that kind of thing is powerful and we should have a system that lets us move that direction if we want to18:22
lbragstad#topic trello status: policy community goal18:23
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lbragstad#link https://trello.com/c/XzM8IXy4/10-cross-project-policy-work18:23
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lbragstadwe're making progress18:24
lbragstad#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123040.html18:24
lbragstadi send an update ^18:24
lbragstadif you're interested in helping, let me know18:24
lbragstad#topic trello status: oslo policy deprecation tools18:25
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lbragstad#link https://trello.com/c/Z6pUPEJu/3-oslopolicy-deprecation i have plans to start this implementation by EOW - once i get most of the projects started on the community goal18:25
lbragstadi'm still hoping to have that done by queens-1 so that projects can start consuming it18:26
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edmondswlbragstad any more discussion with the oslo.config guys on how to support changing policy/conf defaults?18:26
lbragstadi haven't seen any updates on the specs i've proposed, yet18:27
lbragstadi did respin the oslo specs to include details from the PTG discussions though18:28
lbragstadso the current specs should be up-to-date18:28
lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500141/18:29
lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500207/18:29
lbragstad#topic trello status: oslo policy scope18:29
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lbragstad#link https://trello.com/c/ZjsNk84y/4-oslopolicy-scope18:30
lbragstadthis is in the same boat18:30
lbragstad#topic trello status: keystonemiddleware work18:31
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lbragstad#link https://trello.com/c/CQeSTZgP/18-keystonemiddleware-work18:31
lbragstadcmurphy: has been pushing the ball forward there18:31
lbragstadthanks cmurphy!18:31
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lbragstadi need to review those patches18:31
lbragstaddoes anyone have things related to keystonemiddleware work they need to share besides reviews?18:32
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lbragstadcool - that should do it for all things "In Progress"18:34
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lbragstadnext topic18:37
lbragstad#topic: next policy session18:37
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lbragstadayoung: had an idea for the next policy meeting, which is tomorrow18:38
ayoungYeah.  Should we walk through the Amazon IAM page to get a sense of what the other side is doing?18:38
ayoungIt is quite elaborate, and will, I think, lead to a lot of questions about how we do stuff in the future18:39
lbragstadi like the idea18:39
ayoungIf we have < 10 people, we can do Google Hangouts.  I can also set up Bluejeans for a larger group if that is acceptable18:39
lbragstadi think a group exercise to go through it would be useful18:39
hrybackiayoung +118:40
ayoungAnd we should not plan on getting through the whole thing at once, just gett started on it18:40
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ayoungand walk through a few use cases, like how a new user would get things done.18:40
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lbragstadayoung: is a ML thread appropriate?18:40
ayoungmight overwhelm if we do18:41
ayoungmaybe a small group first time, something larger after that?18:41
edmondswlbragstad ayoung I won't be able to make the policy mtg tomorrow18:41
ayoungplus...I only want people that are somewhat involved with implementing to think about it to start, as we might generate more work for ourselves han we can handle with the larger audience18:41
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ayoungedmondsw, have you worked with IAM in the past?18:42
edmondswayoung no18:42
ayoungAh...well...we can postpone a couple weeks if we won't have a quorum. I'm out next week18:42
ayoungOr we could go tomorrow, and then someone that is there can walk through it with you later...I'18:43
ayoungd be happy to do a one on one with you say later on this week18:43
hrybackiayoung: could we record the session?18:43
edmondswor find another time that would work for everyone this week?18:43
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lbragstadayoung: do you want to forward the info you have to the wider list or do you want me to?18:45
lbragstador kmalloc to?18:45
lbragstad(if that is the next step)18:45
* lbragstad is open to suggestions18:46
ayounglbragstad, go for it. I'll be enabler, but you've been running this thus far18:46
lbragstadayoung: ack18:47
lbragstad#action lbragstad to start openstack-dev thread for next policy meeting on IAM sessions18:47
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lbragstadayoung: thanks for driving this18:49
ayoungMy pleasure.  I've been looking into it for my day job already18:49
lbragstad#topic open discussion18:50
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hrybackiWe've officially lost jamie to other things :(18:50
lbragstadfor those who haven't seen it yet18:52
lbragstad#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123001.html18:52
ayoungI blame btopol18:53
hrybackiHave not heard from him in awhile either!18:53
lbragstadjamie did ping me saying that he is going to be wrapping things up over the next few weeks18:54
samueldmqlbragstad: that's sad :/18:54
lbragstada big thanks to jamie for all he's done18:56
lbragstadif there isn't anything else, we can get a few minutes back before office hours.18:57
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lbragstadthanks for coming!18:58
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clarkbhello infra team18:59
clarkbit is our regularly shceduled meeting time. I'll admit to not being very well prepared iwth all the zuulv3 related stuff that has happened recently19:00
clarkbI think I'll run this meeting like last time. Open it for any important items that may have been missed over the week and then close out so that we can get back to zuul19:00
clarkb#startmeeting infra19:01
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* mordred waves to the lovely people19:01
* fungi meets19:01
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* mordred meets19:01
* AJaeger meets mordred19:01
clarkb#info Zuulv3 deployment is being rolled back to operate like a third party CI. Zuulv2 is now going to be gating for most projects while we sort out the issues we ran into with v319:01
* mordred hands AJaeger meats19:01
clarkb#topic Open Discussion19:02
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clarkbrather than stick to hard agenda, I'll open it to any important topics we've otherwise missed or ignored due to the zuulv3 transition19:02
mordredclarkb: there are other things in the world?19:02
fungithere is no world, only zuul19:02
clarkbcertainly hasn't felt like it recently :)19:02
clarkbI'm traveling to seattle thursday-sunday for a conference19:03
clarkbSummit is coming up in a month19:03
fungisomething something project update talk something something19:03
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clarkbfungi: my plan is to work on that after this weekend's conference19:04
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ianychoiclarkb, would you see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/translate-dev-openstackid-issues and have comments on this?19:04
fungiclarkb: happy to pitch in, and i know pabelanger volunteered at one point as well19:04
ianychoiAlso, I18n team would like to upgrade Zanata one more and it would be nice if https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+spec/queens-zanata-upgrade will get more attention from Infra team.19:05
clarkbianychoi: thank you for putting that together, I think that really helps illustrate the problem we are trying t osolve19:05
mlavalleclarkb: should we expect the new attempt to move to zuul v3 before the summit? or should we wait after the summit?19:05
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clarkbianychoi: its likely we won't be able to give those items much attention until zuulv3 transition is done. But once that is done I'll be sure to put it on the list.19:05
clarkbianychoi: at first glance the proposed solution for openstackid lgtm19:05
clarkbmlavalle: mordred say a week or two in his email, which would put it before the summit19:06
ianychoiclarkb, I see - thanks a lot!19:06
clarkbianychoi: does it make sense to file an infra spec for the zanata upgrade?19:07
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clarkbianychoi: I think that would help it get greater feedback from the infra side at least19:07
ianychoiclarkb, it would surely make sense :)19:07
fungithe recent gerrit upgrade spec probably makes for a good example/template to follow19:08
clarkbmlavalle: I odn't think we want to wait too long as double accounting job stuff would be unfun19:08
fungi(speaking of which, that can be moved to implemented now, right?_19:08
mlavalleclarkb: just wanted to set my own expectation19:08
clarkbfungi: yes I think at this point it can be. All the issues I know about it except for occasional GCing that is annoying have been addressed19:08
fungiclarkb: oh, and the fallout for the requirements proposal job19:09
clarkboh right that19:09
clarkbwas it frickler that volunteered to work on that?19:09
fungii don't think that's been tackled yet, but it's probably sane to consider that ongoing work and not block moving the spec to implemented19:09
fungisimilarly, the contactstore removal spec can go into implemented now19:09
clarkbI thought I approved that one19:10
fungioh, you did19:10
fungiwe just didn't get the publish job run successfully i guess19:11
AJaegerif it was approved with zuul v3 - yes, most publish jobs are/were broken19:11
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fungiright, that's what i'm assuming happened19:12
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fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/509257 The Gerrit 2.13 upgrade is implemented19:13
clarkbalright, we're sort of in the middle of the zuulv3 rollback. Anything else urgent that needs to be brought up?19:13
AJaegerwe should consider switching infra-specs and infra-manual to v3 as well to fix those jobs19:13
clarkbAJaeger: they would make good test cases, yes19:13
ianychoifungi, thanks a lot for pointing gerrit 2.13 upgrade spec. I think it is a good example :) I will more do to write Zanata upgrade as a spec.19:13
* AJaeger will propose a patch19:14
fungiianychoi: you're welcome--i look forward to reviewing it19:14
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mlavalleclarkb: do you want to end the meeting?19:23
clarkbsorry ya got distracted byzuul :)19:23
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clarkbits been quiet here. If there is any thing else feel free to ping us in #openstack-infra or on the mailing list19:23
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mlavallebut someone might get pissed at the top the hour19:24
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clarkbya, though anyone can end the meeting after an hour from the start of a meeting19:29
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clarkbwe've definitely had this problem in the past so put ^ in place to mitigate it19:29
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mlavalledidn't know that19:32
mlavallegood to know19:32
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fungireminder: no tc meeting this week, but we do have our second office hour of the week coming up at 01:00 in #openstack-tc if anyone's interested in joining20:10
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oneswig#startmeeting scientific-wg21:00
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martialhello Stig21:01
oneswig#link agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_October_3rd_201721:01
oneswig#chair martial21:01
openstackCurrent chairs: martial oneswig21:01
oneswigGood day Martial21:01
* ildikov is lurking :)21:01
martialHello Ms Vansca :)21:01
oneswigHi ildikov!21:01
ildikovoneswig: martial: hi :)21:02
oneswighey trandles21:02
martialthanks again for all the wonderful work and networking with the ORC people last week, truly appreciated21:02
oneswighey bob21:02
martialHi Tim, Robert :)21:02
oneswigildikov: thanks for attending ORC21:03
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oneswigOK, ready to go?21:03
oneswig#topic Open Research Cloud: looking for volunteers to lead working groups21:03
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ildikovoneswig: martial: it was my pleasure, I always like to learn more about this community and that effort21:03
martialI guess the ORC is the first topic of conversation, Khalil was going to try to join tonight but is unable, so I will paste some content I wrote and let Tim and Ms Vansca add to21:03
martialFirst, what it is: The Open Research Cloud (ORC) is a collaboration of the international community supporting scientific research computing. Having recognized that a number of significant obstacles continue to interfere with the ability of globally dispersed researchers to effectively collaborate. It focuses on the federation of data, identity, security, shared compute and storage; and an interoperable cloud services management platform.21:03
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martial#link http://www.openresearchcloud.org/21:04
martialThe ORC just completed its second Congress hosted in Amsterdam last week, started to collect and curate the draft declaration21:04
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martial#link https://docs.google.com/a/datamachines.io/document/d/1nqlaFOWUX8jbmlGsDRCigVphaapaQl5M5C3kHS1VJOo/edit?usp=sharing21:04
martial(the above link is a copy as of 2017/10/02 and read-only)21:04
martialIn particular, the ORC is looking to undertand what are the fundamental requirements needed  to create a succesful effort21:04
martial^ this in particular is important for people interested in helping21:05
martialThe ORC is looking for individuals to volunteer and to get involved in its Working Groups by committing time to some specific working groups where they feel their expertise will be well utilized.21:05
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martialFor examples: conversations and communications on the topics of Identity, access to data (granting, provisioning, authentication), and the use of computing resources (allowing access to, data locality).21:05
martialTo do so, please add contact Khalil Yazdi <khalilyazdi@outlook.com> or Enol Fernández <enol.fernandez@egi.eu> and sign up for any and all group email lists here:21:05
martial#link https://groups.google.com/a/openresearchcloud.org/forum/#!forumsearch/21:05
martial(end of paste)21:06
martialI was discussing the outreach with Khalil yesterday21:06
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martialand I plan to post this to our SWG ML as well as ask people who are interested to share it21:06
martialTim / Ms Vansca, anything to add re:ORC?21:07
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ildikovmartial: thank you, I think this is a great summary21:07
oneswigmartial: I think that's a good idea to widen the discussion21:07
trandlesnot really from me, I'm just pinging folks trying to get some more potential stakeholders engaged21:07
martialthanks Tim, this is very useful21:08
ildikovthe effort is growing global and the intent is to involve more people and organizations from Asia and Australia as well onwards21:08
martialI will work with Khalil on finalizing the language and provide a version of this text to share21:08
oneswighow can ORC build upon, and get momentum from other projects in this area?  Was that discussed in Amsterdam?21:08
ildikovthe plan is also to have a draft by the time of the Summit and the next Congress currently planned for Sydney21:09
martialthis was discussed more I think at the conversation we had yesterday on the phone, but yes, they want to expand, and they hope to have the expertise and volunteer21:09
martialone of the big plan is to make more an International ORC Organization21:10
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martial(the first and last words are important)21:10
martialwe have weekly teleconferences at 11am EST on Mondays21:11
ildikovthere is another thing that I heard much last week in the room, which was to get big commercial providers into the room21:11
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trandlesAs far as I know only Microsoft has been active in ORC21:12
ildikovtrandles: that was my take from last week as well21:12
oneswigildikov: what's in it for them?  Abstracting the cloud supplier might be against their interests21:13
martialBox and Cisco also presented their solutions21:13
ildikovoneswig: there were comments like the researchers should spend time on research as opposed to managing infra in 90% of their time21:14
martialI think it will have to come to similar term as the OpenStack foundation when a legal status is created: you plan to release the work to the foundation (or whatever status the ORC end up having)21:14
jmloweThe first meeting was very vendor heavy in Boston21:14
ildikovoneswig: I'm also less aware on where funding structures are evolving in the future21:14
oneswigildikov: show us the money, lebowski...21:15
ildikovI didn't mean to throw a rock into the lake, but I felt to mention this as something I heard multiple times during the two days21:15
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jmloweTo a large degree for US researchers the funding agencies, which have not been participating, decide what resources researchers use21:15
ildikovoneswig: lol, I've just got introduced to that nice piece of art this summer :)21:15
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oneswigildikov: nice!21:16
martialcan not fault that and we are trying to figure this structure as we form the declaration and the groups21:16
ildikovjmlowe: so it can be on that side whether there's a policy for open source or they will go with any (specific) vendor?21:16
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martialildikov: my belief is that it will have to grow into a sharing agreement between collaborating partners21:17
martialildikov: kind of like the OpenStack terms21:17
martial(for contributing)21:18
ildikovmartial: that sounds reasonable as much as I can see this area21:18
jmloweWell, the funding agency could put that policy in place, but the program officers need to be engaged21:18
ildikovthere are also activities where we can join and emphasize collaboration by having a broad forum as for the declaration itself21:19
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ildikovjmlowe: thanks for clarifying21:19
martialjmlowe + flanders_: we are looking at forming the working groups as it is, firming the declaration, and creating a legal entity to represent the effort21:19
martialildikov: I look forward to seeing this happen21:20
ildikovmartial: me too21:20
ildikovmartial: let me know how I can help21:20
martialso to sum it up, if you are interested in seeing this happen, I would ecnourage you to contact Khalil and Enol and/or join the mailing list or weekly teleconference21:20
martialKhalil Yazdi <khalilyazdi@outlook.com> or Enol Fernández <enol.fernandez@egi.eu>21:21
flanders_Is Wilfred still a chair?21:21
martialflanders_ : I believe so21:21
oneswigMore to add here?21:22
martialThere is a planning meeting for the Sydney Summit and ORC next week21:23
martialI know it is 2am EST :)21:24
martial#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/open-cloud-declaration-sydney21:24
ildikovI have invites in my calendar, which indeed don't seem US friendly :)21:25
flanders_We've yet to agree a room for this activity and need to decide if it happens at the summit or request susceptible from UTS.  Pending format of event. NB it shouldn't pull away from scientific-wg activities imho.21:25
ildikovflanders_: +121:25
martialflanders_: I know you will keep us in the loop, and that some of us will attend :)21:26
ildikovflanders_: assuming there are some activities during the Summit/Forum it would be great to have either less overlap or co-located space21:26
flanders_Please do let me know if you would like me to add you to calendar item :)21:26
flanders_Thanks martial21:27
martialmy personal concern is that they both overlap heavily21:27
flanders_+1 though coming at it from top-down vs bottom-up?21:27
martial(the ORC / Summit)21:27
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martialstig, we ought to move to the next item, still21:28
oneswigmartial: lets do that21:28
ildikovmartial: flanders_: I will send out a reminder to the ORC list when we have the Forum schedule out to further encourage collaboration21:28
ildikovoneswig: yep, we can move on :)21:29
oneswig#topic Discussion - a convention for image names between federated clouds21:29
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martialildikov thank you Ms Vansca21:29
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flanders_Thanks ildikov21:29
trandleswell, this next topic sounds like something that's perfect for the ORC declaration  :P21:29
oneswigok, I had a side-discussion with Kalle Happonen as a part of the ORC meeting21:30
ildikovtrandles: +1 :)21:30
oneswigHe said, their group at CSC in Finland found a pain point was inconsistency on simple stuff like image naming between clouds21:30
oneswigSo they thought of putting a stake in the ground and saying, "heres your standard CentOS image" and "heres your standard Ubuntu image', etc21:31
oneswig#link The CSC proposal for a convention on image naming https://github.com/CSCfi/CloudImageRecommendations21:31
oneswigit's a punctuation mark or so from most people's naming, so why not harmonise?21:32
oneswigOr even harmonize, for the Americans :-)21:32
clarkbkeep in mind that that naming scheme doesn't work with how many clouds want to do it at least in the public space (they like timestampingthem and it causes allthe problems as a user)21:33
trandlesWe've found that simple base image naming is an easy one to solve, much like that document describes.  It gets hairy when folks build images for/with specific complex applications installed.21:33
oneswigThe question for me is, is this a human-level construct?21:33
oneswigclarkb: that's true, we timestamp all the n-1 editions of our images.21:34
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trandlesand it's a discussion (bordering on religious war) when folks start to discuss how to handle image versioning and curating21:34
trandleswhether it's timestamping or some other meta-metric21:35
oneswigbut not the nth, latest.  I was questioning our rationale but seems to make sense21:35
oneswigtrandles: agreed - "lets all do something together" works so long as everyone believes it's their thing we'll all be doing...21:36
clarkbwe;ve also discovered that an ubuntu 16.04 here and one over there are often significntly different21:36
clarkbhardware enablement kernels here not there, etc21:36
clarkb(so we just build and ship our own images now)21:36
martialoneswig: this is when I want to be a "funding agency" and say ... "fix it"21:36
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trandlesclarkb: +1  - just because we agree on "centos-7" doesn't and shouldn't imply equivalency21:37
oneswigclarkb: obvious now you've said it, but I hadn't considered that.  Good point.21:37
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trandlesnot to air too much dirty laundry, but when the emacs user found out that "centos-7" only included vi, feelings were hurt21:38
martialtrandles: this is why centos is dead to me ;)21:38
oneswigtrandles: ouch.  Suspect it went super-critical?21:39
martialbut joking aside (emacs power), tim is right about this kind of things being religious wars ... fast21:39
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trandlesoneswig: not that bad, but it could have spiraled if one side didn't just give in21:40
oneswigWe add properties to our images, I wonder if that's enough to get a first-order approximation of consistency?21:40
oneswigtrandles: you mean the emacs user said "hey, vi's actually pretty good", right?21:40
trandlesoneswig: haha, sure ;)21:40
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oneswigIt's the kind of discussion at an OpenStack level where I wonder if ORC could widen to other cloud infrastructure.21:41
martialoneswig: the ORC was planned as cloud agnostic, so hopefully yes21:42
trandlesthe combinatorics on the distro packages is too big, properties might not be rich enough to describe the level of detail people might want, maybe <gasp> centers should be prepared to document their images in some standard way21:42
oneswigOK, I thought I'd throw that one out there21:42
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ildikovoneswig: I think that would be part of the idea there, yes21:43
oneswigI think there's a discussion to be had.  I think EGI do this across multiple infrastructures, for example.21:43
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trandlesperhaps ORC should define a metadata field for images that is a hyperlink to documentation for that image21:43
oneswigtrandles: interesting idea.  A layer of indirection21:44
martialtrandles: we are always interested in people participating in the Working Groups. so this is a great idea to share on the ML21:44
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oneswigOK, we should move on21:45
oneswig#topic Cloud for Science and Engineering - new book and resource portal21:45
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oneswigNot much to cover here: I put a chapter on OpenStack into a book on cloud for scientific compute.21:45
oneswigThe nice thing is, the authors have created a website and portal so the book becomes like a 'living document'21:46
oneswig#link cloud for science and engineering https://cloud4scieng.org/21:46
ildikovoneswig: that sounds pretty cool :)21:46
oneswigHopefully we can all enjoy people's additions here :-)21:47
oneswigthanks martial :-)21:47
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oneswigI think the book has only just come out - you can download it digitallly for free from that site.21:48
oneswigHas a lovely retro TeX feel21:48
oneswigOK, lets move on21:48
oneswig#link OpenStack-OpenHPC project code published21:49
oneswig#item OpenStack-OpenHPC project code published21:49
oneswigI mean...21:49
oneswig#topic OpenStack-OpenHPC project code published21:49
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oneswiglate in the day...21:49
ildikovoneswig: I'm with you on that!21:49
oneswigEven later for you I guess?21:49
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oneswig#link OpenHPC / OpenStack on Github https://github.com/hpc-cloud-toolkit/ostack-hpc21:50
oneswigThe team at Intel who have presented previously on this have released their code21:50
ildikovoneswig: yep, one hour ahead21:50
oneswigFirst seen (by me) last November at the IU booth at SC, thanks to jmlowe21:51
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jmloweYes, they are giving an update in our booth at sc this year21:51
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oneswigThere's an opportunity here to get all the OpenHPC + OpenStack efforts out there under one roof21:51
jmlowealong with lustre mounting in openstack vm's21:51
oneswigSo get your PRs in :-)21:51
oneswigjmlowe: is that from the LUG workshop at IU earlier in the summer?21:52
rbuddenjmlowe: +1, i have some ongoing work for potentially Lustre/Manilla21:52
hogepodgehi everybody! (52 minutes late... conflicting meeting)21:53
jmloweI think we have the 11:00am Tuesday slot in our booth, need to double check21:53
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oneswigHi hogepodge - damn those 52-minute meetings21:53
oneswigrbudden: jmlowe: have you seen this presentation https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1kGRzcdVQX95abei1bDVoRzxyC02i89_m5_sOfp8Aq6o/edit#slide=id.p321:53
trandleshogepodge: -1  I'm in here, on a concall, and listening to a webex  (and have very little idea what's going on in any of them)21:54
rbuddenoneswig: i have not, will check it out21:54
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hogepodgetrandles: I was on a concall too, but it was a really exciting meeting. The michael bay transformers of meetings. :-)21:54
trandlesLENS FLARE21:54
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jmloweoneswig: I have not, thanks, btw I'm totally stealing your ligo hook from your CSCS talk when rbudden and I go visit trandles in two weeks21:55
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oneswigjmlowe: get in there, nobel prize winners and all now :-)21:55
oneswigHow come you're heading to Arizona?21:56
oneswigOr New Mexico I guess?21:56
jmloweoneswig: I may need your cheesiest head shot to give you credit on a slide21:56
hogepodgesorry to drop this in at the last minute, but I need mailing address for stickers and eventual mailing address (hotel I'm guessing) for books for SuperComputing (Denise and Kathy approve this message)21:56
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oneswighogepodge: Can they be addressed to a booth?21:56
rbuddenhogepodge: you can send them to PSC or IU or both21:57
jmloweoneswig: trandles has some directors wanting an overview of cloud computing21:57
martialhogepodge: I will email you my info21:57
oneswigSeems sketcy21:57
hogepodgeStickers are lighter and can be carried by hand, so we want to send them out earlier.21:57
jmlowehogepodge: what rbudden said21:57
hogepodgeBooks will come from the publisher or our warehouse, and are better timed for the event. But I think we can try to do both in one shipment. I'll check.21:57
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trandlesoneswig: as far as jmlowe and rbudden know, the invite to LANL is totally on the up-and-up21:58
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jmlowethis does sound a bit like the wind up for a horror movie22:00
oneswigOK better close up for the week - on that happy note :-)22:00
oneswigjmlowe: next time, you'll have added bit errors22:01
martialgood meeting :)22:01
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-10-03-21.00.html22:01
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-10-03-21.00.txt22:01
oneswigThanks y'all22:01
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-10-03-21.00.log.html22:01
hogepodgethanks everybody. amazing meeting! ;-)22:01
rbuddenthanks everyone!22:01
trandleslater folks22:01
ildikovthanks everyone!22:01
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