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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 5 00:01:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 00:01 |
| ekcs | hi all! topics here as usual: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:01 |
| ramineni_ | Hi | 00:01 |
| ekcs | feel free to comment/edit/add =) | 00:02 |
| ekcs | hi ramineni_ ! | 00:02 |
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| ekcs | ok let’s get started. | 00:04 |
| ekcs | #topic gate blockage | 00:04 |
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| ekcs | since the infra transition to zuul3 congress gate has been blocked. | 00:05 |
| ekcs | devstack just merged a workaround for one issue: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508344/ | 00:05 |
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| ekcs | but another issue got surfaced where congress doesn’t explicitly set transport url and credentials. that’s being fixed in this patch. | 00:06 |
| ekcs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509604/ | 00:06 |
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| ekcs | looks like that should finally unblock the gate. | 00:06 |
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| thinrichs | Jenkins is failing on that for 35 | 00:10 |
| thinrichs | Or is that old? | 00:10 |
| thinrichs | I see-it's old | 00:10 |
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| ekcs | yea that’s an old issue we haven’t quite stabilized. needs rechecks once in a while. | 00:11 |
| ekcs | should probbaly put that in our priority too. | 00:11 |
| ekcs | #topic attach/detach security group | 00:12 |
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| ekcs | ok since ramineni dropped off and we need her for most of the other topics, i’m moving on to this. | 00:12 |
| ekcs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508657/ | 00:13 |
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| ekcs | the microseg use case (and probbaly others too) need an action to attach/detach security groups to ports. | 00:14 |
| ekcs | the standard neutron API requires updating the entire list of security groups associated with a port (https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/network/v2/index.html#update-port) | 00:14 |
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| thinrichs | Makes sense to me. Do we have someone wanting to use this for microseg? | 00:14 |
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| ekcs | so here’s a patch for creating custom actions to attach/detach a single security group. ZTE wants it. | 00:15 |
| ekcs | the problem is because it’s a read-modify-write process, concurrent changes may be overwritten. | 00:16 |
| ekcs | but I don’t think there is really a way to avoid it given the neutron API. | 00:16 |
| ekcs | any thoughts? | 00:16 |
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| thinrichs | See above | 00:17 |
| ekcs | the best I could do is include a warning in the action description. | 00:18 |
| ekcs | ok then. | 00:18 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: hi are you here or still going on/off? | 00:18 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: here .. hoping won't get disconnected again | 00:19 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: haha =) | 00:19 |
| ekcs | ok let’s move along then. | 00:19 |
| ekcs | #topic continue drivers conf discussion | 00:19 |
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| ekcs | ramineni sees user difficulty that drivers they try to instantiate as datasource have not been enabled in conf | 00:20 |
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| ekcs | there are two ideas being considered for how to avoid that problem. | 00:20 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: hi | 00:21 |
| ekcs | 1. remove the drivers config option completely and load all drivers specified by dev. | 00:21 |
| ekcs | 2. keep the drivers config option but default it to include all/most drivers. | 00:22 |
| thinrichs | ramineni_: hi | 00:22 |
| ekcs | 2. is a simpler and backward compatible change, but ramineni_ sees some problem with it that we didn’t finish discussing last time. | 00:22 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: you wanna elaborate? | 00:22 |
| ramineni_ | Ppl often forget to add any newly added driver in Conf .. so will get the error invalidDriver .. I saw that couple of times by user | 00:24 |
| ekcs | clarification: drivers added to congress repo, or custom drivers added by deployer? | 00:25 |
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| ramineni_ | So my initial thought was .. asking users to add full class name of driver with path into Conf .. didn't sound to me like good option | 00:25 |
| ramineni_ | Drivers added to repo | 00:25 |
| ramineni_ | We have to enable by stevedore instead | 00:26 |
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| ramineni_ | Than keeping as Conf option | 00:26 |
| thinrichs | If I remember right, the reason we made the drivers a config option was that we didn't need to discover them by walking through a directory or hierarchy of directories. So an implementation short-cut. | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | It also provided a safety hatch to disable a driver that was causing problems with everything else. | 00:27 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: yes ..but stevedore does that ..if we add in setup.cfg | 00:27 |
| ramineni_ | It discovers the drivers | 00:27 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: ok understood. the scenario is someone has congress running. we add a new driver but when they upgrade they continue to use the same conf file and don’t have access to newly added drivers in new version of congress. | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | ramineni_: that sounds nice to have auto-discovery. Maybe if we had/knew-about that we wouldn't have bothered with the config option. | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | It's definitely bad for usability to manually configure every driver. | 00:29 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: yes | 00:29 |
| ekcs | at the same time, if we just default the driver config to include all drivers, the new users won’t experience the problem. and existing users won’t have a problem once someone tells them to erase their current driver config. | 00:29 |
| ramineni_ | With stevedore ..we won't load the driver until datasource is created .. we load only when they need ..that's the idea | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | If we have auto-loading by default but want to support manual config as well, we could either think about a whitelist (which drivers to start) or a blacklist (which ones not to start) or both. | 00:32 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: yes. proposal 2 would essentially be all by default, whitelist available. | 00:32 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: but driver loading is needed only when datasource is created right | 00:32 |
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| ekcs | ramineni_: does it matter when we load the driver? | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | I could see lazy-loading in any case. | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | Though lazy-loading would let people avoid pulling in drivers that are causing problems. | 00:34 |
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| thinrichs | (kind of) If an end-user knew a driver was problematic, she could avoid instantiating it. But without a whitelist/blacklist, there'd be no way for the admin to prevent people from loading certain drivers. | 00:34 |
| ramineni_ | Yes | 00:35 |
| ekcs | sounds kludgy. wouldn’t it be better if the problem is surfaced right away then the deployer/op can do something about it? instead of leaving it up to the individual admin. | 00:35 |
| ekcs | deployer starts congress after upgrade. sees problem and fixes it. | 00:36 |
| ekcs | instead of something crashing when the everyday admin instantiates something. | 00:36 |
| thinrichs | Sounds like we're gravitating toward: (i) stevedore lazy loading and (ii) optional whitelist in config enumerating drivers stevedore is permitted to load. | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | Does stevedore support that kind of thing? | 00:37 |
| ramineni_ | Even if we keep enabled drivers or disable drivers in Conf option .. we should just accept name of driver instead of class name .. | 00:37 |
| ekcs | and theese are two fairly orthogonal issues. 1. load on start vs load on use. 2. whitelist vs blacklist | 00:37 |
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| ekcs | and 3. class path vs driver name. | 00:38 |
| ramineni_ | ii . We can keep Conf option to take just driver name s | 00:38 |
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| ramineni_ | Stevedore does nt support optional .. One option to remove from setup.cfg ..that's it .. stevedore won't be able to identify then | 00:40 |
| ramineni_ | Use stevedore .. And keep disabled_drivers option ..to take driver names to disable | 00:42 |
| ramineni_ | 2nd option .. Leave the config option as it is | 00:43 |
| ramineni_ | They can remove the drivers as needed | 00:43 |
| ekcs | on 2. whitelist vs blacklist, here are some pros and cons I can see. | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | Would the disabled-driver config be used by our code then to stop the code from creating an instance of a driver? | 00:43 |
| ekcs | blacklist pro: makes it so that current installations automatically gain access to newly added drivers. | 00:43 |
| ekcs | blacklist con: if an installation currently has a custom driver enabled by whitelist, it can get broken. | 00:43 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: yes | 00:43 |
| ramineni_ | Before loading by stevedore we check if it's disabled ..then proceed | 00:44 |
| ekcs | blacklist con: not backward compatible in that if a user currently relies on the config, it stops doing what they expect. | 00:44 |
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| ekcs | ok seems like a more complex discussion than initially anticipated. | 00:48 |
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| thinrichs | I'd imagine the following progression... | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | (i) stevedore to do lazy-loading, which obviates the need for the config | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | that's the default. | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | (ii) enforce a whitelist given in config, if it exists, before stevedore loads | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | (iii) if we want, add a blacklist config option as well | 00:50 |
| thinrichs | If we do (i) and (ii) together, we're backwards compatible and we can tell people to delete their config to get all the new drivers. | 00:50 |
| thinrichs | Then if we think it's valuable, add (iii) later | 00:50 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: yes but the same effect i+ii can also be accomplished by just setting a config default to load all drivers. one line change. | 00:51 |
| ekcs | and we still have the option to add iii later. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | You mean change the line to "*" | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | Because "all" changes between releases | 00:51 |
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| ekcs | I meant enumerate the drivers here: https://github.com/openstack/congress/blob/master/congress/common/config.py#L67 | 00:52 |
| ekcs | and that can change with the release. | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | Right—but it won't solve ramineni_'s problem | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | where someone has config from release A and then upgrades to release B without changing their config. | 00:53 |
| ekcs | ok so your (ii) is a new option, not the existing drivers option? | 00:54 |
| ekcs | To me that’s not a big problem because you just tell them te delete that line in their config then they’re good. | 00:55 |
| ekcs | for all future releases. | 00:55 |
| ekcs | basically it comes down to whether we want to ignore the existing driver config or not. | 00:56 |
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| thinrichs | (ii) would say that if the config is there, use it to whitelist stevedore. If it's not there just load everything like normal. | 00:57 |
| thinrichs | But if you have your config there on purpose, we'll still respect it. | 00:57 |
| thinrichs | Hence backwards compatible. | 00:57 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: ok then we come back to the same problem that someone upgrading from release to release without changing/deleting their drivers config don’t get new drivers. | 00:58 |
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| ekcs | we can’t tell whether someone has the config there “on purpose” or not. unless we just ignore the existing config and ask users to use a new one. | 00:58 |
| ramineni_ | Can't we ask to change the way they enable custom drivers if any are there :) | 00:58 |
| ramineni_ | Mostly they would be testing purpose in most of the cases | 00:59 |
| thinrichs | So then they delete it. There's the capability of always taking all the drivers (which they do once), but if they don't want that, they get the old behavior. | 00:59 |
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| ekcs | ok we’re out of time. I’ll try to summarize on etherpad or something and contunue. | 00:59 |
| thinrichs | Thanks all | 01:00 |
| ekcs | thanks all for the detailed discussions! | 01:00 |
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| ekcs | bye ramineni_ ! | 01:00 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 5 01:00:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-10-05-00.01.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-10-05-00.01.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-10-05-00.01.log.html | 01:01 |
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| eumel8 | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 5 07:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:00 |
| eumel8 | gooooood morning! | 07:00 |
| eumel8 | who's there for the i18n team meeting? | 07:00 |
| ianychoi | Hi | 07:01 |
| ianychoi | Good morning | 07:02 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi | 07:02 |
| ianychoi | :) | 07:02 |
| eumel8 | nice! | 07:02 |
| eumel8 | :) | 07:02 |
| eumel8 | I noticed a small fading of the core-core-team ;) | 07:02 |
| ianychoi | ? | 07:03 |
| eumel8 | just analyze the participants for the meeting | 07:04 |
| eumel8 | anyway... | 07:04 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. | 07:04 |
| eumel8 | first topic | 07:04 |
| eumel8 | #topic Translation Jobs after Zuul-v3 migration | 07:04 |
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| eumel8 | This topic is at the moment obselete due the rollback of the zuul v4 migration yesterday | 07:05 |
| eumel8 | there are 2 proposals: | 07:05 |
| ianychoi | s/v4/v3 ? | 07:05 |
| eumel8 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/502208 | 07:05 |
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| eumel8 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/502207 | 07:05 |
| eumel8 | ah, forgot the history: translation jobs were broken since 09/29 and 10/02 | 07:06 |
| ianychoi | Yep.. it might be also nice if such news is notified to i18n mailing list | 07:07 |
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| eumel8 | I asked at the infra channel how we can help but the topic was already aware and seems "only" a little bit complicated to write new jobs. | 07:08 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: yes, I noticed this, I think, Monday afternoon | 07:08 |
| eumel8 | And there were a lots of trouble of Zuul-3 at this time and our translation jobs are only a very small part of the problem | 07:09 |
| ianychoi | What I mention is how such translation issues would be better and well shared to translators and how the translators acknowledge such situation. | 07:10 |
| ianychoi | I am very thankful for your acknowledgement of this important issue | 07:10 |
| eumel8 | understood, but no solution yet. | 07:10 |
| ianychoi | Hmm | 07:11 |
| eumel8 | sometimes as saw as broken but the jobs are running hours instead minutes | 07:11 |
| eumel8 | I think this was an exceptional situation like Monty mentioned on openstack-dev ML | 07:12 |
| ianychoi | I just think such downtime for translation sync would be fine | 07:13 |
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| ianychoi | I understand that infra team is working very hard for migrating to zuul-v3 | 07:13 |
| ianychoi | And I also think that such upgrade would be to make go forward | 07:14 |
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| eumel8 | For me it's a little surprise because infra team is now on the Top-5-wanted list and then they started such kind of work with a minimal man power. | 07:16 |
| eumel8 | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/top-5-help-wanted.html | 07:16 |
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| ianychoi | I don't know detail background of zuul-v3 migration | 07:17 |
| ianychoi | but it seems that infra team might have identified first that such migration would not be too difficult | 07:18 |
| ianychoi | Now translation ratio is not high comparing to soft & hard stringfreezes. This is why I feel fine mightbe:) | 07:19 |
| eumel8 | anyway, I try to support the guys and help what I can. For the translation jobs I gave a small repo as example for test. So no all repos will affected after the next try. | 07:19 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, great :) | 07:19 |
| eumel8 | true | 07:19 |
| eumel8 | #topic I18n Jobs in Zuul-v3 | 07:20 |
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| eumel8 | nevertheless we have also our own repo with our own gate checks in gerrit | 07:20 |
| eumel8 | and we are now responsible for zuul v3 checks | 07:21 |
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| eumel8 | #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/zuulv3.html | 07:21 |
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| eumel8 | the old jobs are auto-converted and renamed as "legacy-*" | 07:22 |
| eumel8 | note: I talk about the future | 07:22 |
| ianychoi | So.. it means that i18n repo has zuul v3 check jobs? | 07:23 |
| eumel8 | later, yes | 07:23 |
| eumel8 | hopefully we get support or some examples how that will work | 07:24 |
| ianychoi | Hmm what would be the due of having zuul v3 check jobs? | 07:24 |
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| eumel8 | it's similar to doc migration: de-centralize and move out the things | 07:25 |
| ianychoi | I see - just curious that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508587/ has a zuul section but https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509527/ does not | 07:25 |
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| eumel8 | translation jobs are special | 07:27 |
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| eumel8 | thats also broken at the moment: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506795/ | 07:28 |
| eumel8 | wait for merge: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509358/ | 07:28 |
| eumel8 | and there are hundreds of such changes :) | 07:29 |
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| eumel8 | ok, we will see what will happen | 07:32 |
| ianychoi | Hmm... it is hard for me to follow hundreds of such changes.. anyway yes we will | 07:32 |
| eumel8 | Just to raise this topic here without specific action point | 07:32 |
| eumel8 | it works more or less in real time when the US guys are online | 07:33 |
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| eumel8 | but don't trust a review invitation in gerrit ;) | 07:34 |
| eumel8 | ok, next | 07:34 |
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| eumel8 | #topic Doc/I18n Project Onboarding Session Sydney | 07:34 |
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| eumel8 | it seems we have a plan now | 07:35 |
| ianychoi | You can ask reviews in #openstack-infra IRC channel, for example: "Hello infra-roots, would you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509358/ if you have time? It is important to go forward... bulabula..". | 07:35 |
| ianychoi | Docs team will attend? | 07:35 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: of course - i have done this multiple times in the last days :) | 07:35 |
| eumel8 | Schedule forecast Nov 06 2017 3:10-3:50 PM (after the Zanata Session) | 07:36 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, haha yep you are so a good I18n PTL! | 07:36 |
| eumel8 | Thats the time for the room reservation in Sydney | 07:36 |
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| eumel8 | Pattrick will be there and I think Alex (Zanata-Alex) also. | 07:37 |
| ianychoi | If Docs team will not attend, I think setting a topic like "I18n Project Onboarding Session: Translation + Zanata" would get more attention | 07:37 |
| eumel8 | And what I've wrote on email: it's only to have the room reservation first in the right time slot | 07:38 |
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| eumel8 | We will decide this in the afternoon together with the Docs team. | 07:38 |
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| ianychoi | I see | 07:39 |
| eumel8 | but the reservation period has end yesterday | 07:40 |
| eumel8 | #topic Open Discussion | 07:41 |
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| ianychoi | Let's see who will attend from Docs team for Docs/I18n project onboarding room. Previously, me and Alexandra Settle did it, and I think Docs+I18n people need to discuss what can we do for the session. | 07:41 |
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| eumel8 | it will be a small event. Foundation expects only 2500 perticipants | 07:42 |
| ianychoi | And since rsimai is not here but in #openstack-i18n channel, I asked him about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509595/ | 07:43 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. | 07:43 |
| ianychoi | But plz celebrate Tom Fifield: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-October/014321.html | 07:43 |
| eumel8 | I'm too you in OpenStack age. Who is Tom Fifield? | 07:44 |
| eumel8 | too young, I mean | 07:45 |
| ianychoi | He is a community manager. | 07:45 |
| ianychoi | https://blog.rackspace.com/how-i-contribute-to-openstack-nectars-tom-fifield | 07:45 |
| ianychoi | I met him first during user group activities but he influenced a lot to Docs team and I18n team | 07:46 |
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| eumel8 | really? | 07:47 |
| jftalta | Hi ! | 07:48 |
| eumel8 | never heard | 07:48 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, oh hi! | 07:48 |
| eumel8 | jftalta! | 07:48 |
| eumel8 | the core-core team is complete ;) | 07:48 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, fine :) I think I met so many Foundation staff during my PTL activities. You would do that also if you feel happy with it :) | 07:48 |
| jftalta | I managed to find a few minutes this morning to tell you hello ;) | 07:49 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: I'm already on that way :) | 07:49 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, how are you going? :) | 07:49 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, :) | 07:49 |
| eumel8 | jftalta: nice! How it's going in France? | 07:49 |
| jftalta | I'm fine, thanx :) | 07:50 |
| jftalta | huge amount of work, but things are going well | 07:50 |
| jftalta | and what about you ? | 07:50 |
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| ianychoi | And.. eumel8: I copied an e-mail to Kendall about Storyboard, and also asked to you for cross-project liaisons since I don't want you to all communicate with multiple project teams. | 07:50 |
| eumel8 | oh, forgot to celebrate my new doc-core membership | 07:50 |
| jftalta | ;) | 07:51 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, wow.. same! :) Lots of work T.T | 07:51 |
| ianychoi | But this week is so fine - great big holiday season in Korea | 07:51 |
| eumel8 | jftalta: sex, drugs and openstack :-)) | 07:51 |
| jftalta | ah ah ah | 07:51 |
| jftalta | btw, did you know Tom Petty ? | 07:52 |
| ianychoi | Tom Petty? | 07:52 |
| eumel8 | some songs from the old days | 07:52 |
| eumel8 | Tom Petty and the Heartbreaker | 07:53 |
| jftalta | American rock star. He died last monday | 07:53 |
| jftalta | I was at his London concert in July. It was great | 07:53 |
| ianychoi | Oh.. | 07:53 |
| eumel8 | only 61 | 07:53 |
| jftalta | So sad... | 07:53 |
| jftalta | non, 67 | 07:53 |
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| jftalta | sorry, "no" | 07:53 |
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| jftalta | Did you have a great PTG ? | 07:55 |
| eumel8 | Yes, nice weather. 29 degrees | 07:55 |
| eumel8 | and some jokes with a train rail near to the hotel | 07:55 |
| jftalta | :( | 07:56 |
| jftalta | It was in Denver,right ? | 07:56 |
| eumel8 | not really | 07:56 |
| eumel8 | somewhere outside from Denver | 07:56 |
| jftalta | ok | 07:56 |
| eumel8 | free view of the land ;) | 07:56 |
| ianychoi | I will have a business trop from Oct 28 - Nov 07 in Oslo Norway. Germany and France should be near than Korea. :) | 07:56 |
| jftalta | and vice-versa ;) | 07:57 |
| eumel8 | Oslo has a nice airport | 07:57 |
| eumel8 | the city is also nice. I had some hours left when I traveled from Boston | 07:57 |
| jftalta | many electric cars, is not it ? | 07:58 |
| ianychoi | Aha really? | 07:58 |
| eumel8 | I heard it | 07:58 |
| eumel8 | let's switch to i18n and make the room free for qa | 07:59 |
| eumel8 | #endmeeting | 07:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 07:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 5 07:59:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-10-05-07.00.html | 07:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-10-05-07.00.txt | 07:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-10-05-07.00.log.html | 07:59 |
| jftalta | bye bye ! | 08:00 |
| gmann | #startmeeting qa | 08:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 5 08:01:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 08:01 |
| gmann | who all here today | 08:01 |
| * andreaf lurking around but may have to drop off at some point o/ | 08:02 | |
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| gmann | masayukig: chandankumar dmellado afazekas . | 08:03 |
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| masayukig | o/ | 08:04 |
| masayukig | gmann: thanks for your pinging :) | 08:04 |
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| gmann | let's wait fro more min. | 08:05 |
| * masayukig nods | 08:05 | |
| gmann | masayukig: np. :) | 08:05 |
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| martinkopec | o/, hi all | 08:06 |
| gmann | hi | 08:06 |
| masayukig | \o/ | 08:07 |
| gmann | let's start | 08:07 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_October_5th_2017_.280800_UTC.29 | 08:07 |
| gmann | ^^ today agenda | 08:07 |
| gmann | #topic Previous Meeting Action review | 08:08 |
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| gmann | no action item seems #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-09-28-17.00.html | 08:08 |
| gmann | #topic PTG Summary | 08:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Summary (Meeting topic: qa)" | 08:08 | |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122295.html | 08:09 |
| gmann | PTg summary from andreaf . we almost cover those in last meeting | 08:09 |
| gmann | i would like to move further if there is nothing to discuss from anyon\e | 08:09 |
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| andreaf | gmann: I submitted one session for the forum | 08:10 |
| gmann | #topic Forum Topics for Sydney Summit | 08:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Forum Topics for Sydney Summit (Meeting topic: qa)" | 08:10 | |
| andreaf | same as Boston about input on QA tools from users / operators | 08:10 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea, now:) | 08:10 |
| gmann | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/56 | 08:10 |
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| andreaf | heh sorry | 08:10 |
| gmann | aone sessions andreaf submitted. i saw some more sessions on o-h feedback etc | 08:11 |
| masayukig | o-h feedback? | 08:11 |
| gmann | andreaf: we will be having onboarding sessions also. which should be coming out on ML soon | 08:11 |
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| andreaf | gmann: oh is it? ok I didn't see anything about it yet | 08:12 |
| gmann | there is one mroe on stetrs from mtreinish | 08:12 |
| gmann | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/34 | 08:12 |
| gmann | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/35 | 08:13 |
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| masayukig | gmann: andreaf: do we have a list of QA topics? | 08:14 |
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| gmann | masayukig: for forum ? | 08:14 |
| andreaf | masayukig: not really, but I can add the links now back in the original etherpad | 08:15 |
| masayukig | gmann: yes, for forum | 08:15 |
| gmann | deadline for final schedule fro forum is oct 30 | 08:15 |
| dmellado | o/ | 08:15 |
| dmellado | hi guys, I'm late | 08:15 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-sydney-forum-topics | 08:15 |
| gmann | dmellado: hi np | 08:15 |
| masayukig | andreaf: sounds nice | 08:15 |
| gmann | masayukig: ^^ we did not had much topic this time. deadline to submit was sept 29 | 08:16 |
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| masayukig | gmann: thanks, I think it's good to gather the topic URLs | 08:17 |
| gmann | anything else on forum things | 08:17 |
| andreaf | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-sydney-forum-topics The etherpad with links | 08:17 |
| gmann | andreaf: thanks | 08:17 |
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| masayukig | andreaf: thanks, I added the titles | 08:18 |
| gmann | #topic Bug triage | 08:19 |
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| gmann | like we discussed in PTG about bug triage things. | 08:19 |
| gmann | we will go with Bug Czar approach | 08:19 |
| gmann | proposal is here | 08:20 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-bug-czar | 08:20 |
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| gmann | please provide your feedback if you have any | 08:21 |
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| andreaf | chandankumar graciously offered himself for the role | 08:21 |
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| gmann | yea, thanks chandankumar | 08:21 |
| gmann | Bug review will be in office hours instead of qa meeting | 08:22 |
| gmann | we need to select the appropriate time for office hour | 08:22 |
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| andreaf | gmann: right, I hope we can go through critical bugs in there and get actions for folks to take away :) | 08:22 |
| gmann | seems like 2 time proposal on etherpad | 08:23 |
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| chandankumar | \o/ | 08:23 |
| gmann | andreaf: coeect | 08:23 |
| andreaf | chandankumar o/ | 08:23 |
| gmann | *correct | 08:23 |
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| chandankumar | andreaf: gmann i will be dropping an email to openstack-dev mailing list regarding office hour and with etherpad link so that people can participate | 08:23 |
| gmann | chandankumar: we need to select the office hour timing | 08:24 |
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| gmann | 1 time proposal is 17UTC and other is 8 UTC | 08:24 |
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| chandankumar | as discussed yesterday above is the time | 08:24 |
| gmann | it will be biweekly, alternate to meeting day | 08:24 |
| andreaf | chandankumar: before you do that I would like to send an email about QA czar and tell about what it will be | 08:24 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: sure | 08:25 |
| dmellado | andreaf: qa czar? | 08:25 |
| andreaf | so 17 UTC won't work for a lot of people right? | 08:25 |
| gmann | with what time we are ok. | 08:25 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea | 08:25 |
| andreaf | dmellado: qa bug czar | 08:25 |
| dmellado | I'd love to hear about that | 08:25 |
| gmann | it is 2 Am for me and masayukig :) | 08:26 |
| dmellado | looks like a fancy new title xD | 08:26 |
| masayukig | yeah | 08:26 |
| andreaf | dmellado: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-bug-czar | 08:26 |
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| gmann | andreaf: we can move it little bit late like 9UTC etc if 8UTC is too early for you | 08:26 |
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| chandankumar | 9 UTC is also fine. | 08:27 |
| andreaf | gmann: yeah 9 UTC would be easier for me if it works for you | 08:27 |
| * masayukig was actually waking up last night 2am to watch the Google event, though :-p | 08:28 | |
| gmann | yea works for me | 08:28 |
| gmann | masayukig: 9UTC ok for you? | 08:28 |
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| masayukig | gmann: yeah, it works for me | 08:28 |
| gmann | ok let's lock the 9 UTC for bug review office hour. on every alternate week. | 08:29 |
| gmann | one week qa meeting and next week office hour | 08:29 |
| chandankumar | +1 | 08:29 |
| andreaf | gmann: cool thanks - it will be in the qa channel | 08:29 |
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| gmann | yea, in #opebnstack-qa | 08:30 |
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| gmann | added in etherpad also | 08:30 |
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| gmann | #action andreaf to float mail about bug czar introduction | 08:31 |
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| andreaf | I will do that today | 08:31 |
| gmann | anything else ? | 08:31 |
| gmann | andreaf: thanks | 08:31 |
| gmann | #topic Tempest | 08:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest (Meeting topic: qa)" | 08:32 | |
| gmann | 1. Test.py to be stable: | 08:32 |
| gmann | this is dependent on object storage client to be moved to lib | 08:33 |
| gmann | there is conflict for name conflict of service methods name | 08:33 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504439/ | 08:33 |
| gmann | oomichi_afk: suggested to go with wrapper approach for create_* and keep update_* for PUT APi | 08:34 |
| gmann | it is long pending patch and we should merge it | 08:35 |
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| gmann | oomichi_afk: and andreaf discussed the best possible way over qa channel. | 08:35 |
| gmann | i will check with oomichi_afk on create_update thing if i can catch him tonight | 08:36 |
| gmann | otherwise we will with same(wrapper) approach by tomorrow | 08:36 |
| andreaf | gmann: thanks | 08:37 |
| gmann | i will make sure those pactches are ready by tomorrow | 08:37 |
| gmann | andreaf: do you have anything to review meanwhile for test.py ? | 08:37 |
| andreaf | gmann: no, I will prepare a patch for it | 08:38 |
| gmann | ok | 08:38 |
| andreaf | gmann: it's going to be release notes / docs only | 08:38 |
| gmann | nice | 08:38 |
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| andreaf | #action andreaf prepare a patch to make test.py stable | 08:39 |
| gmann | thanks | 08:39 |
| gmann | 2. Scenario refactoring | 08:39 |
| gmann | zhufl is not here, but i saw she started working on this | 08:39 |
| gmann | may be it will be good to have a common topic for that to make fast review | 08:40 |
| gmann | i will ping her once she is back from holiday | 08:40 |
| gmann | anything else on Tempest ? | 08:40 |
| * andreaf has to leave, have a good rest of the meeting o/ | 08:42 | |
| gmann | ok, let's move | 08:42 |
| gmann | andreaf: thanks. | 08:42 |
| gmann | #topic Critical Reviews | 08:42 |
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| gmann | paste your critical reviews here if you have any | 08:42 |
| masayukig | andreaf: I'd like to know about this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509242/ | 08:43 |
| gmann | i will have tomorrow about object service clients. | 08:44 |
| gmann | masayukig: its for zullv3 migration right | 08:45 |
| masayukig | yeah, I was thinking about that, do we need this immediately? | 08:45 |
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| gmann | i am not sure immediately but we can review it | 08:46 |
| masayukig | gmann: yeah, is there any docs about zuulv3 to understand this patch? | 08:47 |
| gmann | i do not know. it is complete series | 08:48 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:zuulv3-tempest+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 08:48 |
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| gmann | we can refer this series | 08:48 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:zuulv3+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 08:48 |
| masayukig | gmann: ok, thanks, I'll check them | 08:49 |
| gmann | masayukig: thanks | 08:49 |
| masayukig | gmann: https://docs.openstack.org/infra/zuul/ this is also useful? | 08:50 |
| gmann | yea thanks | 08:50 |
| gmann | #topic Open Discussion | 08:50 |
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| gmann | anything else anyone want to discuss | 08:51 |
| gmann | ok, let's close the meeting if nothing else | 08:52 |
| gmann | 3 ... | 08:52 |
| gmann | 2 .. | 08:52 |
| chandankumar | 2.. | 08:52 |
| masayukig | heh | 08:52 |
| gmann | 1 .. | 08:52 |
| gmann | :) | 08:52 |
| gmann | thanks all for joining | 08:52 |
| masayukig | o/ | 08:52 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 08:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 5 08:53:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-10-05-08.01.html | 08:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-10-05-08.01.txt | 08:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-10-05-08.01.log.html | 08:53 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 5 14:00:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| mriedem | howdy | 14:00 |
| dansmith | ohai | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:01 |
| mriedem | guess we'll get started | 14:01 |
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| mriedem | #link Queens release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Queens_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
| mriedem | oops | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #undo | 14:01 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Queens_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
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| mriedem | #link Queens release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Queens_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #info Oct 19: q-1 milestone, nova spec freeze (2 weeks away) | 14:01 |
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| mriedem | taking a minute to think about progress, | 14:02 |
| mriedem | the efficient instance list main change is merged | 14:02 |
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| mriedem | so that's a major accomplishment | 14:02 |
| dansmith | \o/ | 14:02 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: jaypipes: edleafe: the alternate hosts stuff...thinking possible by q1? | 14:02 |
| gmann | o/ | 14:02 |
| andreas_s_ | o/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | mriedem: very possible | 14:03 |
| dansmith | mriedem: it's not all proposed yet, so hard to say, but not impossible | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: 2018 Q1, def. | 14:03 |
| mriedem | ha | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: :) | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: yes, definitely queens-1 | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: we're making good progress on it. | 14:03 |
| mriedem | alright, if the scheduler stuff could get done yet this week and conductor next, then yeah it's in good shape for q1 | 14:03 |
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| mriedem | and the migration uuid stuff is moving along | 14:03 |
| mriedem | we'll probably have traits done by q1 too once alex is back | 14:04 |
| mriedem | but moving on | 14:04 |
| mriedem | #info Blueprints: 50 targeted, 23 approved, 1 complete | 14:04 |
| mriedem | #link forum topics are being reviewed: http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ | 14:04 |
| mriedem | so far there isn't a lot of feedback on the proposed topics | 14:04 |
| mriedem | i don't know when they are supposed to all be reviewed offhand | 14:04 |
| mriedem | hopefully soon | 14:04 |
| * gibi arriving late | 14:05 | |
| mriedem | anything for release news? | 14:05 |
| mriedem | ok moving on | 14:05 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:05 | |
| mriedem | nothing listed as critical | 14:05 |
| mriedem | #info 9 new untriaged bugs (up 3 from last week) | 14:05 |
| mriedem | gate status is sort of stable, after the zuulv3 rollback | 14:06 |
| mriedem | i'm still seeing random cellsv1 job failures, and there is a volume snapshot test in tempest that's randomly failing and doesn't have a fingerprint on it | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | no news on 3rd party ci | 14:06 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | only reminder i have is review and promptly reply to feedback on specs | 14:06 |
| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:07 | |
| mriedem | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 14:07 |
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| mriedem | #link Etherpad for bugs tracked for Pike backports: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-pike-bug-fix-backports | 14:07 |
| * bauzas waves late | 14:07 | |
| mriedem | last i looked, most everything in ^ is proposed to stable/pike and/or approved on master | 14:07 |
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| mriedem | so once we flush through some of the stable/pike backports i'm going to do another release | 14:07 |
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| mriedem | since there are some pretty severe fixes that need to get released | 14:08 |
| mriedem | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 14:08 |
| mriedem | #link stable/newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 14:08 |
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| mriedem | i proposed the final novaclient release earlier in the week | 14:08 |
| mriedem | for newton i mean | 14:08 |
| mriedem | #info Newton EOL postponed 1 week due to the zuulv3 issues http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123088.html | 14:08 |
| mriedem | so the new proposed newton-eol is oct 18 | 14:09 |
| mriedem | so let's spend some time going through https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 14:09 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:09 | |
| mriedem | dansmith: cells v2 highlights | 14:09 |
| dansmith | we had a meeting, | 14:09 |
| dansmith | where we didn't discuss much given the events of the last week | 14:10 |
| dansmith | but we did get instance list merged, and I haven't heard of any fallout from that yet, which is good | 14:10 |
| dansmith | we pointed out that the consoles set is still up and needing review | 14:10 |
| dansmith | and only one usability bug reported recently that we could remember | 14:10 |
| dansmith | I think that's all | 14:11 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:11 |
| mriedem | edleafe: scheduler highlights | 14:11 |
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| edleafe | Jay's nested resource provider spec merged; progress being made on the code for it | 14:11 |
| edleafe | Same with the alternate host stuff | 14:11 |
| edleafe | EOM | 14:11 |
| edleafe | Jay has also started the work to remove the ORM stuff from placement | 14:11 |
| edleafe | Chris's spec for limiting GET /rps just needs another +2 | 14:11 |
| edleafe | In general, moving forward at a good clip. | 14:11 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:12 |
| efried | What's the status of the GET /allocation_candidates syntax with numbered resources & traits? | 14:12 |
| efried | jaypipes ^ | 14:12 |
| efried | Cause I noticed specs, including traits-in-flavors, getting pretty close to approval, but they're going to be impacted by that. | 14:13 |
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| efried | Like, those specs should at least be looked at with that in mind. | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | efried: have not had time to do it. would definitely appreciate your help if you can hack it. | 14:14 |
| efried | jaypipes Okay, I'll try to throw some words together. | 14:14 |
| jaypipes | efried: ty sir | 14:14 |
| efried | #action efried to start drafting numbered-resources-and-traits spec | 14:15 |
| mriedem | ready to move on? | 14:15 |
| efried | y | 14:15 |
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| mriedem | ok api | 14:15 |
| mriedem | alex_xu isn't around | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: there's also johnthetubaguy's ironic traits spec, which is also close | 14:15 |
| mriedem | gmann: was there an api meeting this week? | 14:15 |
| gmann | mriedem: i can update | 14:15 |
| gmann | yea we had but short one | 14:15 |
| gmann | 2 item we discussed | 14:15 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: right-o | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | #link https://review.openstack.org/507052 | 14:16 |
| gmann | 1. extensions policies removal spec #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508101/ | 14:16 |
| mriedem | Extensions Policies removal list feedback - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508101/ | 14:16 |
| gmann | looking for feedback on this | 14:16 |
| gmann | next item is abort cold migration from takashin | 14:16 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334732 | 14:16 |
| gmann | we need consensus on return code. | 14:17 |
| mriedem | what is the issue? | 14:17 |
| cdent | gmann: I still need to read your response on that, haven’t had a chance to digest it yet | 14:17 |
| gmann | current spec propose 400 in many case which can be 409. i agree with cdent on most of them | 14:17 |
| gmann | mriedem: its 400 vs 409. many of them are state conflict and 409 make sense there | 14:18 |
| gmann | actually it going 400 -> 409 -> 400 many times during review :) | 14:18 |
| mriedem | is it consistent with the return codes for canceling an in-progress live migration? | 14:18 |
| mriedem | or is there debate that the live migration abort return code is wrong too? | 14:18 |
| gmann | live migration return 400 in one of the case which i feel(cdent too) should be 409 | 14:18 |
| gmann | yea, there are multiple cases like task state, migration state , migration type etc | 14:19 |
| edmondsw | 400 is supposed to mean the client requested something it shouldn't have, and should not repeat the request | 14:19 |
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| gmann | edmondsw: yea which can be first case L100 in spec | 14:20 |
| mriedem | ok so we don't need to debate this in the meeting, it can happen in the spec | 14:21 |
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| gmann | yea | 14:21 |
| edmondsw | gmann yep, sounds right | 14:21 |
| gmann | that's all from api side. | 14:21 |
| mriedem | i would just like to be consistent between the live and cold migration stuff | 14:21 |
| takashin | okay | 14:21 |
| mriedem | so either conform, or change the live migration ones at the same time | 14:21 |
| edmondsw | gmann I'll drop some comments in the extensions policies spec today... just started looking | 14:21 |
| gmann | mriedem: takashin it is proposing to change the live migration also L111 | 14:22 |
| mriedem | ok moving on | 14:22 |
| gmann | edmondsw: thansks. | 14:22 |
| mriedem | gibi: notifications | 14:22 |
| gibi | No meeting this week | 14:22 |
| gibi | I have only two bug fixes to highlight: | 14:22 |
| gibi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bug/1718226 | 14:22 |
| gibi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bug/1699115 | 14:22 |
| gibi | That is all | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | so brief | 14:22 |
| mriedem | so #1 is the bdm perf improvement stuff, easy reviews, +2 from me on the series | 14:23 |
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| gibi | yes | 14:23 |
| mriedem | #2 is removing the dead api.faul notification stuff, broken since kilo? | 14:23 |
| mriedem | but also +2 from me | 14:23 |
| gibi | mriedem: yes | 14:23 |
| edmondsw | I think I saw some open notifications fixes in the stable newton/ocata links above as well needing reviews | 14:23 |
| gibi | edmondsw: I will go look at those, thanks | 14:23 |
| mriedem | yes, unrelated, but yes | 14:23 |
| mriedem | just backports | 14:23 |
| edmondsw | yep | 14:23 |
| mriedem | gibi: for the stuff that wasn't whitelisted b/c of lack of proper testing | 14:24 |
| gibi | mriedem: OK | 14:24 |
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| mriedem | alright moving on | 14:24 |
| mriedem | cinder stuff | 14:24 |
| mriedem | #link The new style attachment live migration patch needs a final +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/463987/ | 14:24 |
| mriedem | john has been pinged | 14:24 |
| mriedem | starting next week, ildikov will begin escalation procedures on him | 14:24 |
| ildikov | mriedem: +1 | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | and jgriffith is working a cinder spec for modeling shared connections for volumes | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | learn more in the nova/cinder xp meeting in 2.5 hours! | 14:25 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | nothing on the agenda - i guess the abort cold migrate spec is stuck for now | 14:26 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 14:26 |
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| mriedem | hshiina: specless BP request: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ironic-volume-connector-ip | 14:26 |
| mriedem | This is the remaining work of ironic booting from volume support in Pike: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ironic-boot-from-volume | 14:26 |
| andreas_s_ | I have another short topic for discussion after that | 14:27 |
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| mriedem | so i'm ok with that as a specless blueprint | 14:27 |
| mriedem | it's a single non-api change | 14:28 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468353/ | 14:28 |
| hshiina | mriedem, thanks | 14:28 |
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| mriedem | there are some new virt driver methods https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468353/12/nova/virt/driver.py | 14:28 |
| mriedem | which only ironic would implement, of course | 14:28 |
| mriedem | but otherwise this doesn't look too bad | 14:29 |
| mriedem | mikal might be interested | 14:30 |
| mriedem | but moving on | 14:30 |
| mriedem | andreas_s_: z ci | 14:30 |
| mriedem | go! | 14:30 |
| andreas_s_ | It's about getting the kvm s390x (zkvm) third party ci back reporting. | 14:30 |
| andreas_s_ | I posted a Mail on the ML: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123100.html | 14:30 |
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| andreas_s_ | so it's only about reporting (+1/-1), NOT voting | 14:31 |
| mriedem | ok that's fine with me | 14:31 |
| efried | To be clear, voting but not gating | 14:31 |
| andreas_s_ | yeah, not sure about terminology here ;) | 14:31 |
| efried | (or so I thought I saw someone else clarify in a separate ML thread) | 14:31 |
| mriedem | just means you can't block a change from merging | 14:32 |
| efried | (I guess it's displayed as "non-voting" | 14:32 |
| efried | ) | 14:32 |
| mriedem | ok i'll add it to the nova-ci group | 14:32 |
| andreas_s_ | great, thanks! | 14:32 |
| mriedem | andreas_s_: thanks for the details in the ML thread, and persisting | 14:32 |
| mriedem | ok anything else? | 14:32 |
| andreas_s_ | yw | 14:33 |
| mriedem | for anyone | 14:33 |
| efried | Getting allocations into spawn? | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | ? | 14:33 |
| efried | Maybe save that for the next scheduler meeting... | 14:33 |
| edleafe | efried: add it to the agenda | 14:34 |
| efried | Brief discussion around here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-nova/%23openstack-nova.2017-10-04.log.html#t2017-10-04T13:51:25 | 14:34 |
| mriedem | if it's yet another 45 minute placement thing with jaypipes, yes save it for the scheduler meeting or nova channel | 14:34 |
| efried | heh | 14:34 |
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| mriedem | alright if nothing else, that's the meeting, thanks everyone | 14:34 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 14:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 5 14:34:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-10-05-14.00.html | 14:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-10-05-14.00.txt | 14:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-10-05-14.00.log.html | 14:34 |
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| pkovar | #startmeeting docteam | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 5 16:00:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pkovar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 16:00 |
| pkovar | hello, who's around for today's meeting? | 16:01 |
| eumel8 | hello! | 16:01 |
| eumel8 | one guest, pls :) | 16:01 |
| pkovar | alright :) | 16:01 |
| eumel8 | but I have no beer | 16:01 |
| pkovar | let's give others 5 more mins | 16:02 |
| eumel8 | ok | 16:02 |
| pkovar | eumel8: will be served later i believe | 16:02 |
| eumel8 | just arrived at home due some issues with the storm | 16:02 |
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| pkovar | ah, is everything okay? | 16:03 |
| ianychoi_phone | o/ | 16:03 |
| pkovar | its cloudy here, no storms yet | 16:03 |
| eumel8 | yes, I'm alright. House and garden is also okay | 16:03 |
| pkovar | hi, ianychoi_phone | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:03 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (。･∀･)ﾉ | 16:03 |
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| ianychoi_phone | Hi pkovar ! | 16:03 |
| ianychoi_phone | jungleboyj: hello :) | 16:03 |
| eumel8 | hi ianychoi, jungleboy | 16:04 |
| ianychoi_phone | eumel8: :) | 16:04 |
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| pkovar | okey, let's start with agenda | 16:05 |
| pkovar | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 16:05 |
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| pkovar | we didn't have a mtg two weeks ago | 16:05 |
| pkovar | so let's do a sum up for ptg in denver | 16:06 |
| pkovar | Denver PTG Summary for Docs (and i18n) | 16:06 |
| pkovar | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2017-September/003085.html | 16:06 |
| pkovar | that's the summary email i sent to our MLs | 16:06 |
| pkovar | with what i consider most important | 16:06 |
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| pkovar | in terms of decisions / action items | 16:07 |
| pkovar | for more details, we have two etherpads with discussions | 16:07 |
| pkovar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-queens | 16:07 |
| pkovar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-future-problems | 16:07 |
| pkovar | i know, next time we will just use one | 16:08 |
| pkovar | Jimmy updated our vision document draft | 16:08 |
| pkovar | and emailed the dev ML | 16:08 |
| pkovar | so please comment and share your feedback | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Saw that, trying to find time to get through it. | 16:08 |
| pkovar | it's a WIP though | 16:09 |
| ianychoi_phone | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123140.html | 16:09 |
| pkovar | will add more udpates to the draft later | 16:09 |
| pkovar | thanks! | 16:09 |
| ianychoi_phone | Is it related with PTG result? | 16:09 |
| pkovar | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xy78CnmnKlQ7SbR1XewqgrUdGe7DqnKAGYw_9aj5Ndg/edit# | 16:10 |
| pkovar | is the link to the draft which we worked on at the ptg | 16:10 |
| pkovar | we worked in groups and then shared the results with others in the room | 16:10 |
| pkovar | and agreed to work some more on the draft with Jimmy | 16:10 |
| pkovar | and share with the community | 16:11 |
| ianychoi_phone | I see - I want to be more align with that although I didn't attend to last PTG | 16:11 |
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| pkovar | ianychoi_phone: if the current draft is not very clear and could use some more work, please let us know | 16:12 |
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| ianychoi_phone | pkovar: i will - thank u? | 16:12 |
| ianychoi_phone | ! | 16:12 |
| pkovar | when this draft is finalized and approved by the community, we'd like to update our docs tags | 16:12 |
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| pkovar | so that it aligns with what the docs team currently does | 16:14 |
| pkovar | so there will be a new docs spec proposed, etc. | 16:14 |
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| pkovar | comments on the team vision? | 16:15 |
| ianychoi_phone | Nope yet | 16:15 |
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| pkovar | as for eol / retention policy | 16:15 |
| pkovar | doug created a spec draft | 16:15 |
| pkovar | so you can comment on that | 16:15 |
| pkovar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507629/ | 16:16 |
| pkovar | at the ptg, ppl agreed to resurrect mitaka docs | 16:16 |
| pkovar | and stop deleting unsupported docs going forwards | 16:16 |
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| pkovar | forward, rather | 16:16 |
| pkovar | from the docs site | 16:17 |
| asettle | o/ | 16:17 |
| asettle | Sounds good | 16:17 |
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| pkovar | so, share your thoughts or +1's -1's etc. | 16:17 |
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| pkovar | anything else we want to cover for ptg topics? | 16:18 |
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| asettle | Nothing coming to mind right now | 16:19 |
| pkovar | cool :) | 16:20 |
| pkovar | moving on | 16:20 |
| pkovar | #topic Bug Triage Team | 16:20 |
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| pkovar | you can still sign up at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 16:20 |
| pkovar | if you want to help with bugs | 16:20 |
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| pkovar | if nobody takes 9 Oct - 23 Oct i will do it :) | 16:21 |
| pkovar | actually, i should also add we agreed to move older bugs to project components where applicable | 16:21 |
| pkovar | at the ptg i mean | 16:21 |
| pkovar | so if you spot a bug that's related to content moved to project repos during the grand migration | 16:22 |
| pkovar | please move the bug accordingly :) | 16:22 |
| * eumel8 is looking at Bug Triage page | 16:23 | |
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| pkovar | ah, did we lose ianychoi? the next topic is about pdfs :/ | 16:24 |
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| pkovar | okay, let's first discuss sydney summit then, k? | 16:25 |
| pkovar | #topic Sydney Summit | 16:25 |
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| pkovar | so there's a shared docs + i18n session planned for onboarding | 16:26 |
| pkovar | new contributors | 16:26 |
| pkovar | then we have a project update session | 16:26 |
| pkovar | and three forum topics to cover during the week | 16:26 |
| pkovar | one is about release notes | 16:27 |
| pkovar | then ops guide | 16:27 |
| pkovar | and finally install guide testing | 16:27 |
| pkovar | no final schedule available | 16:27 |
| pkovar | the update is that i'll eventually be there | 16:27 |
| pkovar | who else is going? | 16:28 |
| pkovar | let me add that the release notes session is to be run by Sylvain Bauza | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | I will be there. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry for slow responses. In two meetings. | 16:29 |
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| pkovar | and the ops session by Erik McCormick | 16:29 |
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| pkovar | no worries, jungleboyj | 16:29 |
| eumel8 | just to mention the onboarding session will be on Monday, Nov 6. | 16:29 |
| pkovar | my understanding is that these need to be approved first though | 16:30 |
| pkovar | that hasn't happened yet | 16:30 |
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| pkovar | thanks, eumel8 | 16:30 |
| pkovar | and we will have some translators there to cover the i18n part, right | 16:30 |
| eumel8 | it's to 90 % :-) | 16:30 |
| pkovar | 90% sounds cool | 16:30 |
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| eumel8 | We have the Australian Zanata guys there | 16:31 |
| pkovar | i will let the group know when the docs sessions get approved, ofc | 16:31 |
| pkovar | ah, that's right | 16:31 |
| pkovar | i believe they are mostly based in brisbane | 16:31 |
| pkovar | good, good | 16:32 |
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| pkovar | okay, so that's what i have for now for summit | 16:33 |
| pkovar | comments? thoughts? | 16:33 |
| eumel8 | no | 16:33 |
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| pkovar | shall we talk about pdfs? | 16:34 |
| pkovar | is Ian online? | 16:34 |
| eumel8 | maybe shift 10 min later | 16:34 |
| eumel8 | I think he is also at the way to home | 16:35 |
| pkovar | i don't have other topics than open discussion | 16:35 |
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| pkovar | on the agenda | 16:35 |
| pkovar | #topic Open discussion | 16:35 |
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| eumel8 | normaly he has a short outage and after that he is mostly back online | 16:36 |
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| pkovar | so if we don't have other topics to discuss, let me share some pdf links with the group and see if he gets back :) | 16:36 |
| eumel8 | ok | 16:37 |
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| pkovar | #topic PDF builds | 16:37 |
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| pkovar | at the ptg the group agreed to provide pdf builds for project docs as well | 16:37 |
| pkovar | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123076.html | 16:38 |
| pkovar | Ian went ahead and started a review here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/ | 16:38 |
| pkovar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/ | 16:38 |
| pkovar | yes, it's a wip | 16:38 |
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| pkovar | thank you goes to Ian | 16:40 |
| pkovar | so, let's wait for 5 more mins and then end the mtg? | 16:40 |
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| eumel8 | 3 assignees. Who are the other 2? | 16:41 |
| pkovar | i'm not sure, actually | 16:42 |
| eumel8 | and gate check error | 16:43 |
| pkovar | oh yeah, that could be another topic | 16:43 |
| eumel8 | maybe a new directory for queens which is not covered by the script | 16:43 |
| pkovar | we've been getting many of those | 16:43 |
| pkovar | recently | 16:43 |
| pkovar | "pdf-unified-doc-builds.rst:document isn't included in any toctree" | 16:44 |
| eumel8 | yeah | 16:44 |
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| pkovar | so we should add it to index, basically | 16:44 |
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| pkovar | but it's a wip | 16:44 |
| pkovar | anything else, anybody? | 16:47 |
| eumel8 | https://github.com/openstack/docs-specs/tree/master/specs | 16:48 |
| eumel8 | there is no queens dir | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | Quck question about doc build. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | Has anyone seen an error like this before? http://logs.openstack.org/50/507650/1/check/gate-python-cinderclient-docs-ubuntu-xenial/8c7a332/console.html#_2017-10-05_14_41_56_681375 | 16:49 |
| pkovar | eumel8: okay, i got confused by the tree structure | 16:49 |
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| pkovar | jungleboyj: nope, did you really reach that limit? 1000? | 16:50 |
| eumel8 | jungleboyj: nope | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | Not sure. Happened in the check. I think I had maybe seen that once building locally a lot time ago but don't know what caused it. | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | Guess we will just see if it happens again. | 16:51 |
| pkovar | please let the group know if that happens | 16:52 |
| eumel8 | very strange | 16:52 |
| pkovar | yeah | 16:52 |
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| jungleboyj | pkovar: Will do. | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | Don't trust anything from the gate right now. :-) | 16:54 |
| pkovar | right! :) | 16:54 |
| eumel8 | ++ | 16:54 |
| eumel8 | just wondering, the output comes from zuul, but it's an jenkins job | 16:55 |
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| eumel8 | so, it seems ianychoi will not come back | 16:56 |
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| pkovar | let's catch him on irc or ML then | 16:57 |
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| eumel8 | yeah | 16:57 |
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| pkovar | okay, thanks for attending, everybody, and for your work on openstack! | 16:58 |
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| eumel8 | thx for the meeting :) | 16:58 |
| pkovar | next mtg in two weeks | 16:58 |
| eumel8 | alright | 16:59 |
| pkovar | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 5 16:59:11 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-10-05-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-10-05-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-10-05-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 5 22:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:00 |
| armax | hello | 22:00 |
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| mlavalle | hey | 22:00 |
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| ihrachys | ssup | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | amotoki, yamamoto: ping | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | let's wait a copuple of minutes for amotoki and yamamoto | 22:02 |
| ihrachys | ok | 22:02 |
| amotoki | hi, sorry for late | 22:03 |
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| mlavalle | np problem amotoki, thanks for attending | 22:04 |
| mlavalle | I don't see yamamoto, so let's get going | 22:04 |
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| mlavalle | The agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronDrivers#Agenda | 22:05 |
| mlavalle | #topic Alternate time meeting | 22:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Alternate time meeting (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 22:05 | |
| mlavalle | yesterday armax and I had a conversation about looking for a time slot alternative | 22:05 |
| mlavalle | armax problem is that early morning hist time is when he can work with his Suse counterparts in Europe | 22:06 |
| mlavalle | so he proposes to "share the pain", alternating the meeting time | 22:06 |
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| ihrachys | I am fine | 22:07 |
| mlavalle | the same way we do with the Neutron meeting | 22:07 |
| ihrachys | so this slot and some early CA, US one? | 22:07 |
| mlavalle | yes | 22:07 |
| mlavalle | it would have to be sustainable when we fallback to standard time in the US | 22:08 |
| armax | so 2pm UTC | 22:08 |
| armax | and 10pm UTC | 22:08 |
| armax | every other week | 22:08 |
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| armax | or 1400UTC and 2200 UTC I should say | 22:08 |
| mlavalle | the present meeting is at 2200utc | 22:08 |
| mlavalle | does 1400UTC work for you, armax, when we fallback to standard time | 22:09 |
| mlavalle | ? | 22:09 |
| armax | that would be 6am, I don’t typically function at that time | 22:09 |
| armax | even if I am awake | 22:09 |
| mlavalle | how about 1500UTC | 22:09 |
| armax | but the problem for me is that the mornings from 7am to 10am are loocked up | 22:09 |
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| mlavalle | armax: so on the alternate week you wouldn't attend? | 22:10 |
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| armax | the reason to alternate is to allow the rest of the team to meet in a time you all are comforable with | 22:10 |
| armax | and I would be able to engage half the time | 22:11 |
| armax | mlavalle: right, unless I happen to travel and I am in a funny timezone :) | 22:11 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys: what are your thoughts? | 22:11 |
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| mlavalle | amotoki: does 1400UTC work for you? | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | well I am fine with the change if it helps to keep armax involved and is better for Asian fellas | 22:12 |
| amotoki | I am okay with either. 14or15UTC is easier to attend. | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | I enjoy mornings, so it's to the better for me | 22:12 |
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| mlavalle | and I understand that yamamoto also prefers 1400UTC | 22:13 |
| armax | right, I think we should give this a try | 22:13 |
| armax | and see if we can engage a few other folks who may be interested in attending but are not in US timezones | 22:13 |
| mlavalle | and at the same time, we allow people in the US East cost, Europe and Middle East to attend the meeting every two weeks | 22:13 |
| haleyb | i'm in a US timezone and have trouble at this time :) | 22:14 |
| mlavalle | I know haleyb is interested in attending | 22:14 |
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| mlavalle | ok, let's give it a try | 22:14 |
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| armax | haleyb: right | 22:15 |
| mlavalle | next week will be our first alternate session | 22:15 |
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| armax | so early mornings may gather a larger crowd | 22:15 |
| mlavalle | early morning US time, that is | 22:15 |
| yamamoto | hi | 22:16 |
| mlavalle | hey yamamoto | 22:16 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, make sure you send the patch for irc-meetings repo earlier | 22:16 |
| ihrachys | so that we have ical files in advance | 22:16 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys: I'll do it tonight or tomorrow morning | 22:16 |
| ihrachys | and cancel meetings if there is overlap | 22:16 |
| ihrachys | do we need a doodle? | 22:16 |
| ihrachys | to pick a day | 22:16 |
| mlavalle | before that, maybe Thursday already works | 22:17 |
| mlavalle | that was my assumption | 22:17 |
| armax | mlavalle: we should look at what’s available in the openstack calendar | 22:17 |
| amotoki | as far as I checked, 1400UTC Thursday next week is only used by one meeting, so it would be no problem | 22:17 |
| armax | but I assume you already thought of that :) | 22:17 |
| mlavalle | ^^^^ | 22:18 |
| amotoki | sorry.... I see a wrong slsot | 22:18 |
| ihrachys | neutron-upgrades meeting is in the same slot | 22:18 |
| ihrachys | on Thu | 22:18 |
| amotoki | all five meeting channels seems to be used already.. | 22:18 |
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| ihrachys | US mornings are usually packed because of sync with Europe | 22:19 |
| mlavalle | ok, so I have to fix the meeting room problem | 22:19 |
| mlavalle | I'll work on that as soon as we finish this meeting | 22:20 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: does 1400UTC work better for you? | 22:20 |
| armax | we need to increase timezones | 22:20 |
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| yamamoto | mlavalle: it's fine | 22:20 |
| armax | by moving to mars | 22:21 |
| ihrachys | armax, or just get another channel | 22:21 |
| mlavalle | the idea is to alternante between 2200UTC and 1400UTC | 22:21 |
| armax | ihrachys: too simple | 22:21 |
| ihrachys | or hold them in #openstack-neutron channel | 22:21 |
| armax | ihrachys: you gotta think bolder | 22:21 |
| ihrachys | actually, that wouldn't be that bad | 22:21 |
| armax | ihrachys: there’s no nice logging that way | 22:21 |
| armax | is there? | 22:21 |
| amotoki | we can use a project channel for meetings now. meeting bot is there | 22:21 |
| armax | amotoki: that makes it hard to index the meeting logs | 22:22 |
| armax | though, no? | 22:22 |
| amotoki | fwaas team moved their meeting to #neutron-fwaas and it works. | 22:22 |
| ihrachys | I think it was even encouraged somewhere, but I struggle to find the email | 22:22 |
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| amotoki | armax: we can use the same title, but I am not sure how gerrit bot can pollute our logs.. | 22:22 |
| armax | um | 22:22 |
| mlavalle | I'll ask xgerman and sridar thei experience | 22:22 |
| armax | that might work | 22:22 |
| armax | it’s worth a try at least once | 22:23 |
| armax | and see how we do | 22:23 |
| ihrachys | the "[openstack-dev] [tc][all] Move away from meeting channels" thread | 22:23 |
| ihrachys | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118899.html | 22:23 |
| armax | ihrachys: I still think we should move to mars | 22:23 |
| ihrachys | armax, well, it's 2024 no? | 22:23 |
| armax | it’s not impractical at all | 22:23 |
| ihrachys | gotta have some interim solution | 22:23 |
| armax | actually | 22:23 |
| armax | let me try something | 22:23 |
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| armax | so | 22:24 |
| armax | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-10-05-22.24.log.txt | 22:24 |
| armax | we’re good | 22:24 |
| amotoki | I was surprised that two same name meetings can be started | 22:25 |
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| mlavalle | ok, let's give it a try next week | 22:25 |
| armax | the danger is the noise that comes from people interleaved messages | 22:25 |
| armax | unless we tell them to BACK OFF! | 22:25 |
| armax | a tad rude, but that works | 22:25 |
| mlavalle | in the alternate time slot | 22:25 |
| mlavalle | I'll still see if I can get a meeting room | 22:25 |
| armax | mlavalle: sounds good to me | 22:25 |
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| armax | mlavalle: shall I get quotes for tickets to mars? | 22:26 |
| armax | who’s coming? | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | I'll go | 22:26 |
| armax | sweet | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | #topic Triaged bugs | 22:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Triaged bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 22:27 | |
| mlavalle | Triaged bugs to discuss today are here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:27 |
| mlavalle | First up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1653932 | 22:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1653932 in neutron "[rfe] network router:external field not exported" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:27 |
| mlavalle | The way I see this one is that we have an agreement on how to move it forward | 22:28 |
| armax | yup | 22:29 |
| armax | we lack hands that can crack code up | 22:29 |
| mlavalle | he is not to do it? | 22:29 |
| mlavalle | at least we could ask | 22:30 |
| armax | we could try | 22:30 |
| mlavalle | unless someone in the meeting wants to go for it | 22:30 |
| armax | it’s straighforward work | 22:31 |
| armax | it only takes time | 22:31 |
| ihrachys | does the description reflect the final idea? | 22:31 |
| armax | actually I’d say this is almost low-hanging fruit | 22:31 |
| armax | and it’s a great starter bug | 22:31 |
| armax | because it touches many parts of the system | 22:31 |
| ihrachys | it tells what's bad but doesn't say what's expected | 22:31 |
| armax | but the ‘easy’ ones | 22:31 |
| armax | ihrachys: what do you mean? | 22:32 |
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| ihrachys | armax, well from looking at the description, it's not clear what you actually agreed on in comments | 22:32 |
| armax | oh | 22:33 |
| ihrachys | there are multiple ideas there, and I think we need capture the final one in description so that whoever is going to implement it knows the path | 22:33 |
| armax | we said we’ll expose a new API that shows the subnets for the floating IP ranges avaialble | 22:33 |
| armax | ihrachys: I can do that | 22:33 |
| ihrachys | go for it | 22:33 |
| armax | I suggest we mark it approved and also introduce a new tag | 22:34 |
| armax | rfe-ready | 22:34 |
| ihrachys | define difference to rfe-approved? | 22:35 |
| mlavalle | what do we want to signal with that? | 22:35 |
| armax | and start advertising that with rfe-ready are approved ready that are in need of volunteers | 22:35 |
| armax | the original workflow assumed that rfe-approved was for bugs that had owners on both sides of reviews and contributions | 22:36 |
| mlavalle | so we transition from rfe-ready to rfe-approved once we get volunteers? | 22:36 |
| armax | if we mark this one approved but no-one picks it up it’s just gonna linger | 22:36 |
| armax | or we simply mark it approved without assignee | 22:36 |
| amotoki | what is the difference from rfe-postponed? | 22:37 |
| armax | and start advertising on the ML and team meetings for volunteers | 22:37 |
| mlavalle | we can also use it in the on-boarding sessions during summits | 22:37 |
| armax | rfe-postoned was for bugs that were considered worthy but had dependencies that prevented them from being worked on straightaway | 22:37 |
| mlavalle | armax: are definitions (except rfe-ready) documented somewhere? | 22:38 |
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| amotoki | okay, rfe-postponed means it is not ready. | 22:38 |
| amotoki | rfe-ready is a new proposal, so we need to document it if we use it | 22:39 |
| armax | https://docs.openstack.org/neutron/latest/contributor/policies/blueprints.html, | 22:39 |
| armax | but I don’t see the rfe-postponed | 22:39 |
| mlavalle | I can update that document | 22:39 |
| armax | mlavalle: there’s a link on the wiki page | 22:39 |
| armax | and it looks like there are a few | 22:39 |
| armax | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=rfe-postponed | 22:39 |
| armax | we should go back and see which ones are still relevant | 22:39 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys, yamamoto, haleyb: thoughts? | 22:40 |
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| ihrachys | re new tag, just post a patch and we can then discuss | 22:40 |
| armax | mlavalle: anyhow, leave this with me and I’ll put some notes together and see if this can get traction | 22:40 |
| mlavalle | I like the idea of a category that we can advertise for work ready to b done | 22:40 |
| ihrachys | I think rfe-approved without assignee would work same, but let's take a look | 22:40 |
| armax | ihrachys: agreed | 22:40 |
| armax | I actually prefer that | 22:40 |
| armax | so long as we’re proactive in seeking for help | 22:41 |
| armax | it’s worth a try | 22:41 |
| mlavalle | I am not so hung up on the tag itself | 22:41 |
| ihrachys | + for advertising broadly | 22:41 |
| mlavalle | I like the concept of have something ready to be picked up, though, and advertiseing it | 22:41 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 22:42 |
| armax | I suppose it’s important that the RFE being advertised is somewhat well scoped | 22:42 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 22:42 |
| mlavalle | the same applies to low hanging fruit bugs | 22:43 |
| ihrachys | yes, that's why I asked to update description in that bug. if you think it's low hanging, you should expect people that are not in context of the project enough to understand what is expected. | 22:43 |
| armax | OK, 40 mins in, we’re just 1 in | 22:43 |
| mlavalle | armax: will you document this? | 22:43 |
| armax | mlavalle: this being the bug? | 22:43 |
| armax | mlavalle: yes | 22:43 |
| ihrachys | and the process? | 22:43 |
| mlavalle | the process | 22:44 |
| armax | ihrachys: the process too? Oh boy, ok | 22:44 |
| ihrachys | I mean, the unassigned + focus on scope | 22:44 |
| armax | you guys take the whole arm with the finger | 22:44 |
| ihrachys | that's how bureaucracies work | 22:44 |
| ihrachys | they expand and waste ink | 22:44 |
| armax | if you know what I mean | 22:44 |
| mlavalle | ok, so this RFE is approved | 22:44 |
| armax | mlavalle: I’d say so | 22:45 |
| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1689830 | 22:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1689830 in neutron "[RFE] advanced policy for allowed addres pairs" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:45 |
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| armax | this is also another one where we said that another API might solve the use case | 22:46 |
| armax | I am not particularly fond of the approach, but I suppose I get by | 22:46 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 22:46 |
| mlavalle | and the submitter agreed with kevinbenton's comment | 22:47 |
| armax | this is also another starter bug | 22:47 |
| mlavalle | I'd say so | 22:47 |
| amotoki | i almost agree, but have one thing to clarify | 22:49 |
| amotoki | do we suggest to add a new attribute to allowed_address_pair dictionary or add a new attr to the port dict? | 22:49 |
| mlavalle | the comment says to the port | 22:50 |
| armax | mlavalle: +1 | 22:50 |
| mlavalle | comment #16 | 22:50 |
| amotoki | yeah, the comment says so. | 22:50 |
| amotoki | on the other hand, it is a variation of allowed-address-paris, so I wonder which is easier to understand for end-users. | 22:51 |
| amotoki | thought? | 22:54 |
| amotoki | either would work and achieves the goal requested in this bug | 22:55 |
| mlavalle | but I think the intent is that we are saying in the new attributes the ports from which we can take addresses for allowed-address-pairs | 22:55 |
| mlavalle | in other words, the new attribute would express the range of possiblities for allowed address pairs | 22:55 |
| mlavalle | does that make sense? | 22:56 |
| armax | yes | 22:56 |
| ihrachys | ok please update the description | 22:56 |
| ihrachys | it does suggest something very different | 22:57 |
| ihrachys | a new policy rule or smth | 22:57 |
| mlavalle | yeah, agree with ihrachys | 22:57 |
| armax | that’s why people who files RFE should refrain from making proposals | 22:57 |
| armax | :( | 22:57 |
| ihrachys | yeah, stick to use case | 22:57 |
| armax | they should stick to describing the problem | 22:57 |
| amotoki | it works for me | 22:57 |
| armax | but it doesn’t matter how LOUD we said it | 22:57 |
| ihrachys | who's to update | 22:57 |
| armax | it doesn’t sink in | 22:58 |
| mlavalle | I'll update it | 22:58 |
| amotoki | so end-users will see addresses from ports specified in the new attribute? | 22:58 |
| armax | mlavalle: +1 | 22:58 |
| armax | 2 mins to the top of the hours | 22:58 |
| armax | hour* | 22:58 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: no, they will see port UUID's that they can impersonate | 22:58 |
| amotoki | okay | 22:59 |
| mlavalle | we ran out of time | 22:59 |
| mlavalle | please remember next week will try the alternate time slot | 22:59 |
| mlavalle | I will send message to the ML | 22:59 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for attending | 23:00 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 5 23:00:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-10-05-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-10-05-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-10-05-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
| armax | bye | 23:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 23:00 |
| amotoki | thanks | 23:00 |
| yamamoto | bye | 23:00 |
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