Tuesday, 2017-10-24

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hongbin#startmeeting zun03:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct 24 03:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.03:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.03:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'zun'03:00
hongbin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-10-24_0300_UTC agenda03:00
hongbin#topic Roll Call03:00
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hongbinthanks for joining the meeting kevinz kiennt2603:02
hongbinkevinz: kiennt26 there are not too much people today, let's have a short updates for each other, then end the meeting shortly03:02
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hongbinhi Shunli03:03
hongbin#topic Cinder integration (hongbin)03:03
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hongbinfor this topic, there are a few patches that are under reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/zun+branch:master+topic:bp/direct-cinder-integration03:03
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/zun+branch:master+topic:bp/direct-cinder-integration03:03
hongbinkiennt26: i believe you have tested these series of patches ?03:04
hongbinkiennt26: if you did, welcome to cast your votes into the patches :)03:04
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hongbin#topic Introduce container composition (kevinz)03:04
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kiennt26hongbin: yes, sure. I will do :)03:04
hongbinkiennt26: thanks03:05
hongbinkevinz: any update from you about the capsule topic ?03:05
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kevinzI'm still working on writing a demo for k8s-connector03:05
hongbinkevinz: ack03:05
kevinzI have one question03:05
hongbingo ahead03:06
kevinzhow to get the whole capabilities or resource of zun cluster?03:06
kevinzE.g: the CPU, the memory, the status.03:06
hongbinit is stored in compute-node table ?03:07
kevinzOK I will check03:07
kevinzI need a whole resource list, total compute-nodes03:07
hongbinfor status, each zun-compute will heartbeat in each 10 second i remembered03:07
hongbinyes, it seems the compute-nodes table is what you need03:08
hongbin#topic NFV use cases (lakerzhou, Shunli)03:08
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hongbinShunli: i think shunli has uploaded most of the patches for PCI passthrough03:09
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hongbinwith the pci scheduler filter, everything are working very well03:09
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Shunlipci tracker and pci request is under review and need review.03:09
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508025/03:10
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512230/03:10
hongbinthanks Shunli03:10
Shunlithe all patch for pci passthrough in zun side is ready.03:10
hongbinyes :)03:10
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Shunlii cannot spend much time on zun this week.03:11
hongbinShunli: ack, that is fine03:11
hongbinShunli: thanks for all your hard work for porting the pci features to zun03:11
kevinzShunli: Thanks03:11
hongbin#topic Open Discussion03:11
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Shunlihongbin: np, my pleasure.03:12
hongbinanything else to bring up for discussion ?03:12
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hongbinok, all, thanks for joining the meeting, see you next team03:12
hongbinnext time03:12
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kiennt26see you03:13
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tpatilToday Sampath is busy, so I will chair today's Masakari meeting04:02
tpatilping masakari team04:02
Dinesh_Bhortpatil: okay04:02
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tpatilDinesh_Bhor: Let's wait for few more people to join the meeting04:04
Dinesh_Bhortpatil: yes, sure04:04
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tpatilHi all04:05
tpatil#startmeeting Masakari04:05
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct 24 04:05:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tpatil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.04:05
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tpatilLet me check today's agenda04:05
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tpatil#topic High Priority Items04:05
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tpatilthere will be project on boarding forum session in Sydney summit on Monday04:06
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tpatilI will check with Sampath and see what things to discuss during this session04:07
tpatilMoving to next item04:07
tpatil#topic Bugs04:07
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tpatilAnyone wants to discuss any bugs here04:08
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tpatilI don't see any critical or blocker bugs04:08
rkmrHonjoPlease wait...04:09
rkmrHonjo#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513299/04:09
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rkmrHonjoAbove patch is very simple, please review it if you can. (But, this is not critical.)04:10
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Sure04:11
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rkmrHonjotpatil: thanks.04:11
tpatilrkmrHonjo: If you don't specify service user and service name, does it cause any problems?04:12
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tpatilrkmrHonjo: Just trying to understand the severity of this bug04:13
rkmrHonjotpatil: I heard that it causes problems about nova API microversion in some environments.04:13
rkmrHonjotpatil: ok.04:13
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Will appreciate if you can add details on the LP bug about the problems you are facing if these parameters are not passed04:14
rkmrHonjotpatil: ok, I'll add details.04:15
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Thanks04:15
tpatilAny other bugs to be discussed?04:16
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tpatilMoving to the next topic04:16
tpatil#topic Discussion Points04:16
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tpatilHorizon plugin04:17
tpatil#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/masakari/+spec/masakari-dashboard04:17
tpatilThe ^^ blueprint was approved by Sampath in the last week04:17
tpatilNiraj will a submit patch to create a new repo "masakari-dashboard"04:18
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tpatilShould we use same launchpad project "masakari" to manage masakari-dashboard project?04:19
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tpatil#startvote Should we use same launchpad project "masakari" to manage masakari-dashboard project? Yes, No04:21
openstackBegin voting on: Should we use same launchpad project "masakari" to manage masakari-dashboard project? Valid vote options are Yes, No.04:21
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.04:21
tpatilplease cast your vote04:21
tpatil#vote Yes04:21
rkmrHonjo#vote yes04:21
Dinesh_Bhor#vote Yes04:22
abhishekk#vote Yes04:22
Dinesh_BhorMistral guys are also doing the same for mistral-dashboard04:22
tpatilDinesh_Bhor: Ok, thanks for the information.04:22
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rkmrHonjo(I knew this vote feature for the first time...)04:23
tpatilWill check Sampath's opinion as well and then Niraj will do the needful04:23
niraj_singhtpatil: ok04:24
tpatilrkmrHonjo: You can read this for more details: https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html#voting04:24
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tpatilInstall Guide document04:24
tpatilThere are few comments on install guide patches04:25
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tpatilabhishekk: please address these comments04:26
abhishekktpatil: ok04:26
tpatilI think we should get these patches merged before the summit04:26
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tpatilabhishekk: Thank you04:26
tpatilRecovery method customization04:27
Dinesh_BhorI am modifying the spec for this.04:27
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tpatilLast time, we decided to update specs to allow operators to configure different drivers for processing each notification type04:28
tpatilDinesh_Bhor: Ok04:28
tpatilFind hosts without specifying segments04:28
tpatil#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506986/04:29
tpatilSampath suggested another solution to get segment from host04:29
tpatilI think his suggestion is doable04:30
tpatilrkmkHonjo: What do you think?04:30
rkmrHonjotpatil: Yes, Takahara is rewriting spec according to Sampath's opinion.04:30
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rkmrHonjoSo, please wait a little more.04:31
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Ok04:31
tpatilQueens work items04:31
tpatil#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-queens-workitems04:31
tpatilI have marked ssl support for masakari api service as completed04:32
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tpatilAnyone wants to discuss any items from this etherpad?04:32
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tpatilMoving to the next item04:33
tpatilBM HA (ironic + nova)04:33
tpatilSampath is not present, so let's skip this item04:34
tpatil#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449155/04:34
tpatilAbove patch review is in progress04:34
tpatilOpenStack Proposal Bot updates04:35
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Do you have any updates?04:35
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rkmrHonjoah, sorry, above "no" is mistake.04:36
tpatil#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510760/04:37
tpatil^^ patch is abandoned by you04:37
tpatilas oslo.context 2.19.1 is blocked04:37
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rkmrHonjoYes. In current global-requirement, oslo.context 2.19.1 is blocked. So this patch is unnecessary.04:37
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Ok04:38
rkmrHonjoSo I think that we can merge "Updated from global requirements" patch.04:38
rkmrHonjoBy the way, Ben Nemec submitted two patches for removing version cap of oslo.context.04:39
rkmrHonjo#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513500/04:39
rkmrHonjo#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513520/04:39
tpatilI will approve patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513500/1 later today04:42
tpatil#topic AOB04:42
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tpatilMigrate from LP to Storyboard04:43
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tpatilI have no updates about this item04:43
tpatilAnyone interested to take up this task?04:44
tpatilI think it's priority is low04:44
rkmrHonjoI think so, too.04:45
Dinesh_Bhortpatil: I will check this.04:45
tpatilDinesh_Bhor: Thanks04:45
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tpatilAnyone wants to bring up any other topic?04:47
tpatilIf no, let's end this meeting04:48
Dinesh_Bhornothing from my side, thanks04:48
tpatilThank you everyone for joining this meeting04:48
rkmrHonjothank you for all!04:49
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chenying_#startmeeting karbor09:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct 24 09:02:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is chenying_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:03
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jiaopengjuhi chenying_09:03
chenying_hi good afternoon09:03
zhongjun Hi chenying_09:03
chenying_hi zhongjun09:03
chenying_#topic Open Discussion09:04
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chenying_do you have anything want to discuss ?09:05
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jiaopengjuimage verification09:05
chenying_As we know the verification has been introduced to karbor.09:06
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jiaopengjuchenying_: yes. If we want do the verification about images, we may need store the md5 of image chunks09:07
chenying_The verify action of some plugins is to check the status of backup or snapshot resources.09:07
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chenying_The backup of images are saved to swift bank. so we may need consider checking the md509:09
chenying_of images chunks.09:09
jiaopengju01chenying_: This means we should add some new interfaces of the banks09:09
chenying_does swift have a Ali to check the09:10
chenying_of objects.09:10
chenying_That is what I worry about, the new interfaces of banks may be needed.09:11
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chenying_I worry about that it may bring lots of changes to bank interfaces.09:11
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jiaopengju01yes. In fs bank, we may do md5sum in erery verification action09:13
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jiaopengju01chenying_: swift and s3 bank can store the md5 value as part of the object.09:13
chenying_jiaopengju could you please to write a spec about the verify action of images plugins. it can show the detail about the feature.09:14
jiaopengju01chenying_: ok, I will write it09:15
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chenying_Is there a solution that will not bring changes to bank interfaces. As we know, the bank nodule is a base module of karbor.  If it has been changed, we need consider all existed bank plugins, and also need consider the plugins that want to be introduced.09:17
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jiaopengju01chenying_: I will try to find out that09:18
chenying_if you have any idea about it, we can discuss it in the karbor irc channel.09:19
jiaopengjuchenying_: ok09:20
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chenying_so next one ?09:22
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chenying_The spec about protection parameters retention has been merged09:24
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chenying_gengchangcai is not online09:24
chenying_he now can continue the work about the feature.09:25
jiaopengju01I have saw the patch about the feature (not spec)09:26
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chenying_ he need introduce a new protection type with retention parameters to operation engine service.09:28
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jiaopengju01yes, this should be commented to the patch09:30
chenying_so do you have any idea about it09:30
chenying_ok we can ping him if hi is online.09:31
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chenying_do you have any other thing want to discuss ?09:32
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jiaopengju01I don't have09:33
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chenying_so I will end this meeting.  we can discuss any topic in karbor irc channel at any time.09:36
jiaopengjuchenying_: ok09:36
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ruijie#startmeeting senlin13:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct 24 13:00:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ruijie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
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ruijieevening Qiming13:01
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ruijielet's get started :)13:03
ruijie1. about the Queens goal13:03
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ruijiethe access policy had been done, I think13:04
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Qimingyep, good job13:04
ruijieyes, Qiming.  Splitting tempest plugin, we now have the senlin-tempest-plugin project in gerrit13:05
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Qimingmy understanding is that there must be some gate side job tunings following this split ?13:06
ruijiethings changed a little bit as they are using new zuul13:07
QimingI wasn't closely following the zuul upgrade thread13:08
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ruijiethe network is not stable today~ cannot access to openstack.org ..13:09
Qimingpossibly due to the great ccp meeting ....13:11
QimingI have been suffering from network problem all day13:11
ruijieya, the last day ~13:11
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ruijiewill check the zuul documentation later ..13:12
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Qimingbased on this ... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512996/13:13
Qiming"legacy jobs" have been removed ...13:13
Qiminghowever, we still have gate jobs running for latest patches, e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514505/13:14
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Qimingdoes this mean the migration to zuul v3 is done?13:14
ruijiefor senlin itself, I think Andreas have helped migrate it to zuulv313:16
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Qimingokay ...13:16
ruijieI saw the job template was changed13:16
ruijiebut the splitting job is not yet done :(13:17
Qimingthe next thing is to leverage the new tempest plugin project for api/functional/integration tests?13:17
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Qimingjob definitions are still all there13:17
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Qiminglooks like we need to do something about it before we delete the senlin/tests/tempest directory13:18
ruijieyes Qiming, indeed. When I adding the senlin-tempest-plugin, I was told just add the job to zuul.d and zuul folder13:19
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ruijiehi XueFeng13:20
XueFenghi ruijie13:20
XueFenghi, all13:20
QimingI'm trying to find a similar patch for reference13:20
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ruijiewe are talking about the senlin-tempest-plugin XueFeng13:21
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ruijiehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/509098/14 this is the first patch for migration?13:22
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Qimingem this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504901/13:23
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QimingI'm not sure which pattern is the suggested way to go13:25
Qimingcould be a combination of both13:25
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Qimingfix the senlin.yaml file for jobs to use senlin-tempest-plugin13:26
Qimingthen move the content to the places expected by zuul v313:26
ruijieokay Qiming, that makes sense, will check it13:27
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ruijiethe meetup, here is the agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-queens-meetup13:29
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ruijienp Qiming :)13:29
ruijiewe have two empty slots now :)13:29
XueFengLooks good13:30
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ruijiehi XueFeng, would you like to share a topic13:31
Qimingwhat's your topic, XueFeng, :)13:31
XueFengI will update to the link later13:33
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ruijiethanks XueFeng :)13:33
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ruijiewill send a e-mail to everyone about the agenda13:34
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XueFengI think can we use senlin to do OS/openstack upgrade?13:36
ruijieupgrade the service/software in server?13:37
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XueFengrun ansible shell by senlin node action13:39
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XueFengUpgrade OS/openstack(config/db) is a huge topic13:41
XueFengSenlin can provide the base famework13:41
Qiminglove to see more use cases13:42
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XueFengOK. I will update this idea tomorrow13:43
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ruijiedo we have new topics to discuss today?13:47
XueFengabout Interaction Between Senlin and K8s13:49
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Qimingno from me13:51
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XueFengI will talk with elynn, this will be a topic in Sydeny Summit13:51
ruijiesure XueFeng13:52
ruijiethanks for joining Gentlemen13:52
ruijiegood night :)13:53
XueFenggood night13:53
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jlibosva#startmeeting networking14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct 24 14:00:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jlibosva. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
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jlibosvahi all14:00
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jlibosva#topic Announcements14:00
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jlibosvaI see mlavalle has some announcements on wiki page :) nice. I'll copy & paste it here14:01
jlibosvaIf you are attending the Summit in Sydney, please register your name in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-sydney-summit-attendees. Team social event to be scheduled14:01
jlibosva#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-sydney-summit-attendees14:01
mlavallemust likely Monday night14:01
mlavalleany opposition to that day?14:01
jlibosvathe social event?14:01
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jlibosvamaybe we could add it to the etherpad and people can suggest a day14:02
mlavalleright, will do14:02
jlibosvawow, I just realized that the summit date is getting pretty close :)14:03
jlibosvanext announcement14:03
jlibosvaNeutron team will be present in the Upstream Institute session in Sydney on Sunday 5th14:03
mlavalleI am the Neutron "mentor" for that session14:03
mlavalleif you are around, you are welcome to help14:03
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jlibosvaI don't have a schedule yet but if I'm available, I'll come14:04
jlibosvanext one14:04
jlibosvaNeutron will have a new contributors on-boarding session during Summit. Day and time yet to be defined14:04
mlavallewe have secured a room for the session14:04
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mlavallewaiting to hear back from the Foundation day and time14:05
mlavalleagain, if you are available, com and say hello to the newbies14:05
jlibosvaanother announcement: there were TC elections and we have results14:06
jlibosva#link https://governance.openstack.org/election/results/queens/tc.html14:06
jlibosvaany other announcements to make?14:07
mlavallenot from me14:07
amotokihave Q-1 been cut?14:07
mlavallethe patchset is still lingering around14:07
mlavalleso not yet14:08
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mlavalle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512432/14:09
amotokithanks. every team is waiting for the release job in shape :)14:09
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jlibosvaso is there anything no our side we can do or it's just CI not voting correctly?14:09
mlavalleas far as I can tell it is not on our side14:10
jlibosvaok, thanks14:10
jlibosvaI think we can move on then14:10
jlibosva#topic Blueprints14:10
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jlibosvaso as per plan, we're supposed to be in q2 now14:10
jlibosva#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/queens14:11
jlibosvathe link above reminds me how slow I am in reviewing the logging API patches14:11
mlavalleI worked earlier today on updating this https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/queens-114:12
mlavalleI left the blueprints still marked for Q-1 for the team to see what was left14:12
jlibosvamlavalle: I suppose those q1 marked BPs are going to flip into q2, right?14:12
mlavalleI just wanted to higlight where we need to focus14:12
mlavalleamotoki: how are we doing with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-in-tree-api-ref?14:13
mlavalleis it moving to Q-2?14:13
amotokimlavalle: I am thinking this can be completed and the remaining thing should be converted into bugs14:14
hoangcx_jlibosva: yeah. It is remain 2 logging's patches are waiting for you :-)14:14
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mlavalleamotoki: are you filing the bugs?14:14
amotokimlavalle: yes, of course14:14
jlibosvahoangcx_: I keep that in mind, I just had some fire that needed to be extinguished :)14:14
hoangcx_jlibosva: Thank you very much ;)14:15
mlavalleamotoki: ok, so I'll mark that blueprint as complete :-)14:15
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mlavallehoangcx_: my goal over the next couple of days is to take alook again at the rpc and DB patchset14:16
mlavallejlibosva: why don't we focus on that one over the next few days ^^^^?14:16
amotokithanks. I became suddenly busy for internal affairs after PTG till the summit so I could not do for the remaining things... will clean them up soon14:16
jlibosvamlavalle: I have it on my plate, I already did a partial review but then I didn't get back to it14:17
mlavalleamotoki: thanks :-)14:17
hoangcx_mlavalle: jlibosva happy to hear ;)14:17
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jlibosvaanything else to blueprints?14:19
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mlavallenot from me14:19
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jlibosva#topic Bugs14:19
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jlibosvaboden was bug deputy last week but he'll be late to this meeting14:19
jlibosvahe left an email14:20
bodenjlibosva I’m here, but feel free to just paste the summary14:20
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jlibosvaboden: o/ hi14:20
jlibosvaok :) boden triaged all the bugs and there is still one critical: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/172425314:20
openstackLaunchpad bug 1724253 in neutron "error in netns privsep wrapper: ImportError: No module named agent.linux.ip_lib" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Thomas Morin (tmmorin-orange)14:20
jlibosva#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/172425314:20
jlibosvait already has a fix up for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50570114:21
jlibosvaoh, it's merged14:21
mlavallewell, no14:21
mlavalleI don't think that's the fix14:21
mlavalleI think that was the trigger, right haleyb ?14:21
mlavalleor seems to be14:21
slaweqmlavalle: yes14:22
haleybyes, that is correct14:22
jlibosvabut I saw some fixes to configure_func_for_testing script14:22
jlibosvahold on14:22
haleybwait, that was the wrong review i think14:22
jlibosvaright ^^14:24
haleybi will update based on tmorin's comments, lost track of that one14:24
jlibosvaand then the fix for bagpipe: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500109/14:24
mlavallethanks haleyb :-)14:24
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jlibosvaand that's all for bugs from the last week14:26
jlibosvaunless anybody has anything, I'll move to the next topic14:26
mlavallegreat job boden. thanks for your dilligence :-)14:27
jlibosva#topic Docs14:27
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jlibosvaboden: hi again14:27
bodenjust an FYI.. there’s a proposal to add PDF generation to the unified doc build https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/14:27
bodenI’m guessing that would give us PDF generation “for free”14:28
mlavallemany moons ago we had that14:28
mlavalleI remember being a newbie and downloading the PDF API doc14:28
bodenthere are also still a few patches out for doc/api-ref fixes when folks get time to review14:29
bodenthat’s all I have unless someone wants to add something?14:29
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mlavallethose are in neutron-lib, correct14:29
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bodenmlavalle, yeah it appears all the neutron ones already landed14:30
* mlavalle making sure folks know where to look14:30
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amotokineutron-lib https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/neutron-lib+path:%255Eapi-ref/.*+status:open14:31
mlavalleamotoki: even better. Thanks :-)14:31
jlibosva#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/neutron-lib+path:%255Eapi-ref/.*+status:open14:31
jlibosvaboden: thanks for updates14:32
jlibosvaI think we can move on14:32
jlibosva#topic Transition to OSC14:32
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jlibosvaamotoki: hi, do you want to give any updates?14:32
amotokiI see zuul v3 jobs are now working.14:33
amotokiI am not sure who fixed it, but thanks anyway14:33
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amotokiregarding OSC transition, the remaining part is dynamic-routing. I think it is near the merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340763/14:34
jlibosva#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340763/14:34
amotokiI hope some folks around dynamic-routing test it14:34
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mlavalleI think that would be vikram14:34
jlibosvaamotoki: is that all to osc?14:36
amotokialso would like to cut a release of neutronclient for Queens after Q-114:36
amotokiI would like to include some SFC fixes14:36
amotokiif you have any to be included, let us know14:36
amotokithat's all from me14:37
jlibosvathanks for updates amotoki :)14:37
jlibosvaanybody has anything to add to this topic?14:37
jlibosvaI think we can jump to the next one then14:37
jlibosva#topic Neutron-lib14:37
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jlibosvaboden: hi again14:37
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bodenbusiness as usual… “consumption” patches are in progress https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+message:%22NeutronLibImpact%2214:38
bodenas mentioned, I’ve been making consumption changes for all impacted projects.. and thus have not been sending the “heads up” to the ML14:38
jlibosva#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+message:%22NeutronLibImpact%2214:38
bodenIf a neutron consumption patch has -1W from me, it means I’m waiting for consumer patches to land14:39
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bodenalso I think there are a number of patches ready to land in neutron-lib; they are just waiting for a +1 workflow vote from someone14:40
bodenif folks that have +W in lib get time, can you please make a pass through the neutron-lib review queue14:40
mlavalleI will take a look later today14:40
bodenand that’s all I have unless someone wants to add something14:40
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jlibosvaboden: thanks14:41
amotokiboden: one question: how can we know consumer patches?14:41
amotokiSame topic?14:41
bodenamotoki: for most cases you can just look at the topic to see all related patches14:41
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bodenhowever for those that have the bp/neutron-lib-networking-ovn you have to search for the matching subject14:42
bodenI’m not using that “generic” topic anymore tho, so hopefully just using the topic will suffice14:42
mlavalleyeah, it is pretty straightforward in my experience14:43
bodenBTW: I know we did have a breakage the other week from lib consumption14:43
bodenIMO that’s to be expected in these massive x-project efforts, tho I think overall it’s been fairly smooth14:43
bodenif ppl have comments on the approach feel free to voice them14:43
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bodenI’m done now :)14:44
jlibosvaok, thanks :)14:44
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jlibosvaunless there is nothing else to add we can jump to open discussion14:44
jlibosva#topic open discussion14:44
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mlavalleI have a topic14:45
jlibosvathere is no topic on wiki14:45
jlibosvamlavalle: go on :)14:45
mlavallewell, I added a "Starter Approved RFEs" section to the meeting's wiki14:45
jlibosvamlavalle: do you want this as a topic in our team meetings?14:46
mlavalleI just want to highlight it in very meeting to remind folks that those RFEs are ready to be implemented, are cosidered entry level14:46
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mlavallejlibosva: yeah, I just would like to spend a couple of minutes highlighting them14:47
jlibosvalet's do it then14:47
jlibosva#topic Starter Approved RFEs14:47
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mlavallePlease look at this new section in the teams wiki14:47
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jlibosva#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Starter_Approved_RFEs14:47
mlavalleI am also planning to discuss these RFEs during the Upstream Institute and on-boarding sessions in Sydney14:48
mlavallelet's see it this helps to bring new recruits to the team14:48
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mlavalleand I will send a message to the ML this week also14:49
mlavallethat's all I have on this topic14:49
jlibosvadoes anybody have any other topic to discuss?14:50
jlibosvaif not, we can end 10 minutes earlier14:50
jlibosvasounds like a plan then :) thanks everybody for coming14:50
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mlavallejlibosva: thanks for leading the meeting :-)14:51
jlibosvait's always a pleasure :)14:51
amotokithanks all14:51
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ihrachys#startmeeting neutron_ci16:01
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ihrachys#topic Actions from prev meeting16:01
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ihrachys"haleyb to follow up with infra on missing grafite data for zuulv3 jobs"16:01
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ihrachyshaleyb, any news on the missing data?16:01
ihrachyshaleyb, meaning no? :)16:02
* mlavalle waiting for call from hospital where wife is undergoing minor surgery procedure. Might drop from the meeting to go pick her up. Will advice the team16:02
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haleybi have been busy with other priorities, will ping them now16:02
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ihrachysmlavalle, ack, thanks for the heads up, I hope everything is ok16:02
haleybmlavalle: don't worry about work16:02
jlibosvamlavalle: I hope everything will be alright16:02
mlavalleminor thing, she is ok16:03
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ihrachyshaleyb, ok. let's tackle that in next days. if you are busy with other stuff, we can find someone else to follow up16:03
ihrachysempty grafana is PITA16:03
ihrachys#action jlibosva to post a patch for decorator that skips test case results if they faile16:04
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #action jlibosva to post a patch for decorator that skips test case results if they faile16:04
ihrachys#action haleyb to follow up with infra on missing grafite data for zuulv3 jobs16:04
clarkbI think we have been pushing statsd events for a while now16:04
clarkbjust a matter of updating the paths to the gauges/counters?16:05
ihrachysclarkb, 'a while' is weeks?16:05
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clarkbihrachys: zuulv3 hasn't been deployed for weeks :P since last week at least iirc16:05
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haleybclarkb: i'll have to follow-up in in the infra channel as our grafana page has no stats, maybe we just have to change where we grab them?16:06
clarkbhaleyb: ya that16:06
haleybi didn't see new names in graphite16:06
ihrachysI think we had that discussion, there was a doc page somewhere describing new paths16:06
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haleybi just don't see it in the faq or migration16:07
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ihrachyssorry, can't find the link now :-x16:08
clarkbafter a quick look the data is there, swing by the infra channel after your meeting and we'll get you sorted out16:08
haleybclarkb: great, thanks16:09
ihrachysgreat. next item was "jlibosva to post a patch for decorator that skips test case results if they failed"16:09
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jlibosvaI did today but it failed CI cause of my bad mistakes16:09
jlibosvanext PS was sent a few minutes ago: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514660/16:09
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jlibosvaand that's all from me :)16:11
ihrachysgreat, seems reasonable, I will have a look16:11
ihrachysnext was "slaweq to take over https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504186/ from armax"16:11
slaweqI pushed patch today: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514586/16:11
ihrachysI see the patch was abandoned, replaced by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514586/16:11
slaweqI didn't abandon any patch but maybe someone else did it16:11
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slaweqfullstack test for trunk passed with this my patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514586/16:12
jlibosvaone question to it. do we want that config opt to be exposed to users or is it just for testing purposes?16:12
jlibosvaafaik the original patch from armax stated that's just for testing16:12
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ihrachysshould be test only16:13
ihrachysprobably need to pick some explicit name for the option16:13
ihrachyslike '__prefix_for_testing'16:13
slaweqhis patch was doing something else, he don't initialized trunk handler if trunk wasn't enabled16:14
slaweqmy config option is available for all but IMHO it should be used only for tests16:14
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slaweqI can of course update help message and name for this option to be more "test" only16:14
jlibosvayeah, maybe that would be safer16:15
jlibosvathanks :)16:15
slaweqso, please review my patch and I will address Your comments :)16:15
ihrachyslet us review what you have and then you respin16:15
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slaweqihrachys: thx16:15
ihrachysnext item was "ihrachys to talk to oslo folks about RWD garbage data in the socket on call interrupted"16:15
ihrachysI popped at their channel a bunch of times, didn't seem like there is interest in it. I was told Thierry is the expert on rootwrap. :)16:16
ihrachysI also started looking at the library code but was distracted by a flu16:16
mlavallewe can corner him in Sydney, if you want :-)16:17
ihrachysmlavalle, well I guess I should just ask him. though afair he was not behind the daemon mode.16:17
ihrachysso tl;dr I will continue looking at it16:17
jlibosvatoshii is also looking at it16:17
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jlibosvahe sent a patch to prove that rwd is not a friend with eventlet16:18
jlibosvaas there might be yet another issue16:18
ihrachysdidn't know that's his nic :)16:18
jlibosvarwd fails with fullstack in agents too, not just testrunner - http://logstash.openstack.org/#dashboard/file/logstash.json?query=message%3A%5C%22Second%20simultaneous%5C%2216:18
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jlibosvathe 15 minutes doesn't show the result but bigger window does ^^16:19
ihrachysinteresting. is it the same issue?16:20
jlibosvaihrachys: yeah, he's in a lot different timezone than you are so probably you don't overlap :)16:20
jlibosvano, I think that's a different issue16:20
jlibosvaone is that data are left in socket if timeout raises before data are read16:20
jlibosvathis is about accessing fd concurrently, if I understand the trace16:21
ihrachysfully flushing the data before calling a command should fix the first, for what I understand16:21
ihrachysright, I also think it's different16:21
jlibosvathe error is: RuntimeError: Second simultaneous read on fileno 9 detected.  Unless you really know what you're doing, make sure that only one greenthread can read any particular socket.  Consider using a pools.Pool.16:21
ihrachysmaybe need another bug16:21
ihrachysthe second failure usually happens when some part of i/o libraries is not patched16:22
jlibosvabut I thought each process (agent) spawns its own rwd process16:22
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jlibosvahmm, we had this issue in the past with customized agents16:22
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jlibosvathat dhcp agent was not monkey_patched but that was fixed iirc16:22
ihrachysI see it happens in dhcp agent only16:23
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ihrachyswe'll need a separate bug for that. I will ask toshii to spin it off the existing one.16:24
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ihrachysit could be e.g. that oslo.rootwrap is imported before monkey patching happens in the customized fullstack dhcp agent16:25
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ihrachysthanks for letting know there is also that issue16:25
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ihrachysfinally, we had "mlavalle to explore how to move legacy jobs to new style"16:25
ihrachysmlavalle, any discoveries?16:25
mlavallei made some progress there reading the guide16:26
mlavallethe process has two steps16:26
mlavalle1) Move a legacy job to our repo, under .zuul.yaml16:26
mlavalle2) Once moved and executing from our repo, tweak it to exploit zuulv3 goodies16:27
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mlavalleI am in the process of moving legacy-neutron-dsvm-api16:27
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mlavalleclarkb: I have a question. is .zuul.yaml expected to be at the top our repo?16:27
ihrachysmlavalle, is it identical copy when first step is done?16:28
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mlavalleyes it is16:28
clarkbmlavalle: yes I think zuul only looks at the repo root16:28
ihrachyswill zuul use our override right after it lands, or we'll need to clean it up first in global space?16:28
ihrachysI mean, are we able to gate on the move right away, or we'll need to merge/clean up to see result?16:29
clarkbyou should be able to gate on the move right away16:29
clarkbbut you'll have potentially duplicate jobs running until cleaned up16:29
clarkb(so you'll want to get that done quickly too)16:29
mlavalleand then there is a number of steps explianed in the doc on how to remove it from zuul16:29
mlavalleI will take care of this as well16:30
ihrachysclarkb, you mean two jobs with same name? or do you suggest that names will differ?16:30
mlavalleno, the moved job has a different name16:30
clarkbthe names have to differ16:30
mlavalleit is not legacy anymore16:30
clarkbbut they will likely be functionally equivalent16:30
clarkbthen you delete the old one and have a single set of job(s)16:30
ihrachysmlavalle, I thought 'legacy' means 'no fancy ansible'16:30
mlavallelegacy means it is not in our repo16:31
mlavalleas soon as it is in our repo it is up to us what the job does16:31
mlavalleas far as exploiting facy ansible16:31
ihrachysI see. so we can stick to calling a script as we do, that's fine with infra?16:31
mlavalleclarkb: I will add your name to the patches in neutron and infra so you can baby sit me16:33
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ihrachysnice progress, thanks mlavalle and clarkb16:33
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ihrachys#topic Scenarios16:34
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ihrachysduring the previous meeting, we briefly talked about this bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/171730216:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1717302 in neutron "Tempest floatingip scenario tests failing on DVR Multinode setup with HA" [High,Confirmed]16:35
* mlavalle just got call from hospital. She did great. Pick her up in 1 houir, so will be able to finish this meeting :-)16:35
ihrachyshaleyb, I believe Swami was going to have a look?16:35
haleybihrachys: yes, but i don't see an update16:36
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haleybi am thinking he is on pto or otherwise busy16:36
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ihrachysright, I am just pulling attention of l3 Olympus :)16:37
mlavallewill make sure we review this on Thursday16:37
haleybdelegate is my middle name16:37
* mlavalle wonders if haleyb iz Zeus16:38
haleybnot I16:39
ihrachysthere are other scenario failures, but seems like we already have hands full, so I will skip enumerating all of them..16:39
ihrachyswe already talked about grafana, and fullstack... so I will skip to...16:40
ihrachys#topic Open discussion16:40
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ihrachysanything to discuss beyond all above?16:40
jlibosvaI don't have anything16:40
mlavalleI'm good16:41
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haleybnothing here16:41
ihrachysone thing is that I need to follow up with Chandan on tempest plugin repo. it becomes a concern now, we diverge and not making progress.16:42
ihrachys#action ihrachys to follow up with Chandan on progress to split off tempest plugin16:42
mlavalleyeah, good catch16:42
ihrachysif we don't have anything else, I will wrap it up16:42
armaxihrachys: going back to your comment above we can’t use __ in config options16:42
armaxas prefix16:42
armaxoslo doesn’t like it16:42
armaxdon’t shoot the messenger!16:43
ihrachysok, we can say 'test_prefix_dont_use_yes_I_know_what_I_do_here' :)16:43
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mlavalleahhh, armax was lurking16:43
armaxthat’s very reasonable16:43
slaweqyes, that's good name16:43
armaxactually I just looked at the patch while I was boringly attending another meeting :)16:43
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armaxI dunno, I am having seconds thoughts :)16:43
armaxhave we considered running fullstack serially for the time being?16:44
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jlibosvaarmax: no, that would take eternity to finish :)16:44
ihrachysyeah, it's 52 mins now16:45
armaxdid you quantify what ethernity means?16:45
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ihrachyswith 8 (?) threads16:45
jlibosvathe setup takes a long and it's run per test method16:45
jlibosvaI don't have exact numbers tho16:45
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armaxthere are jobs that take about 2 hours16:45
armaxso it’s not like if fullstack finishes fast we can do anything else16:46
ihrachysyou assume no one runs it locally16:46
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armaxwho runs the entire fullstack suite locally? that’s insane :)16:46
slaweqarmax: I agree :)16:46
ihrachysI am pretty sure it will take like 5h serially.16:46
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armaxOK then16:47
ihrachysslaweq, agree with what exactly? that we can serialize or that the patch is a hack? :)16:47
armaxihrachys: should be easy to check, though16:48
slaweqthat it probably no one runs all fullstack tests locally :)16:48
jlibosvaI do16:48
slaweqI can try to check it with one thread16:48
jlibosvawhen I work on fullstack stuff16:48
ihrachysslaweq, ok please check it so that we have the data16:48
armaxjlibosva: you’re not staring at the screen though, are you? :)16:48
slaweqihrachys: ok, I will16:49
jlibosvaarmax: I am, that's why I do only a few things a day :-p16:49
armaxjlibosva: looks like we need to teach you one thing or two then :)16:49
ihrachyspreaching the importance of short feedback loop to developers, I love it16:49
armaxihrachys: run only the test you touch!16:49
armaxthat’s how race conditions creep in!16:50
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armaxbut even running the whole thing doesn’t stop that, so that’s such an emitter of CO emissions16:50
ihrachysok, seems like we fall into joke contest16:50
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ihrachysslaweq will check and we'll decide what to do with the data16:51
* jlibosva likes jokes16:51
ihrachysarmax, CO2 is good. just move from California to a more reasonable place (New Hampshire anyone?)16:51
armaxeither way, it looks to me that the cleanest solution to a test problem is to limit the change to the test code16:51
jlibosvaarmax: just say you want to use the monkey patch approach you and I talked about at the PTG :)16:52
armaxbut I am not too strongly opinionated16:52
armaxjlibosva: I actually did on the patch :)16:52
jlibosvaI mean, I wouldn't be against :)16:53
armaxjlibosva: both are hackish16:53
ihrachyshuh. so we are back to zero. ok, let's comment on the patch. at this point, I agree with anything that makes those green. :)16:53
armaxone hack is hidden in the fullstack subtree16:53
armaxand that’s feels cleaner16:53
armaxihrachys: no16:53
armaxwe’re not16:53
armaxwe learned in the process16:53
slaweqihrachys: so we should use https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pytest-vw to make it green :D16:54
ihrachysjlibosva, we should use -vw ^ instead of your decorator :)16:54
armaxeh, I would have gone as far as stop running the job altogether16:54
armaxbut pytest-vw looks good too16:55
jlibosvawon't we need to change all the stuff to pytest ?16:55
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ihrachysjlibosva, do you want all green or not???16:55
jlibosvaI do, less emissions, love it16:55
armaxI think we should make ‘what green means’ configurable16:56
armaxbut I digress16:56
ihrachysI see the contest is rolling forward16:56
ihrachysbut I will call it a day16:56
ihrachysthanks everyone :)16:57
jlibosvathanks :)16:57
ihrachysclarkb, thanks a lot for popping up in the meeting, really helpful16:57
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Oct 24 16:57:17 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:57
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openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-10-24-16.01.txt16:57
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-10-24-16.01.log.html16:57
mlavalleihrachys: if you have a chance, please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512856/16:57
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ihrachysmlavalle, +116:58
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lbragstad#startmeeting keystone18:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct 24 18:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'keystone'18:00
lbragstad#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting18:00
lbragstadagenda ^18:00
lbragstadping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, kmalloc, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar18:00
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lbragstad#topic Relevant Forum sessions/activities18:02
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lbragstadildikov: o/18:02
ildikovhey all :)18:02
ildikovI would like to draw your attention to a few sessions happening over the Summit18:02
ildikovlong story short the origin of these is the Open Research Cloud group18:03
ildikov#link http://www.openresearchcloud.org18:03
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ildikovthe goal is to federate scientific research clouds all around the globe18:03
ildikovnot exclusive to OpenStack, but experimenting with OpenStack based clouds right now18:03
ildikovthey have a two days long conference in Sydney the first day is in the Summit venue18:04
ildikov#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20534/3rd-open-research-cloudcongress18:04
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ildikovthey have an identity working group18:04
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ildikovand it would be great to have insights from the experts on this team if you have capacity to pop by when the relevant slot(s) come up18:05
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lbragstadcmurphy: sounds closely related to one of your answers in the TC questioning period18:05
ildikovthe other session is from a NIST/IEEE activity also on federation18:05
ildikovlbragstad: +1 :)18:05
cmurphylbragstad: heh :)18:06
ildikovcmurphy: I hope you'll be a partner in crime :)18:06
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ildikovso for the latter the guy, who proposed the session was playing with Keystone earlier18:06
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ildikovand it would be great if someone from the team could attend to see what's working already and what ideas they have that would need some additional tweaking18:07
lbragstadMartial or Craig?18:07
lbragstadyeah - that'd be valuable feedback18:07
knikollai'll definitely have a look18:07
cmurphyI might be free during that slot18:07
knikollaseems closely related to my work18:08
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ildikovI just wanted to ensure that you have this on the radar as I think it would be great to foster some collaboration with the developer community where relevant18:08
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ildikovand also if you have any questions either now or onwards please ping me18:08
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ildikovI'm happy to answer what I can or connect you with the right person18:09
ildikovknikolla: cmurphy: would be great if you could come!18:09
lbragstadildikov: do you have irc nics for either of the presenters?18:09
cmurphyildikov: will put it on my schedule :)18:09
ildikovlbragstad: Martial is using martial when he's online18:10
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ildikovlbragstad: I need to check Craig18:10
lbragstadjust curious18:10
ildikovlbragstad: Martial is also involved in our Scientific WG/SIG18:10
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ildikovand Craig had chats with Steve a while back about federation topics18:11
ildikovso he's not completely new to the community either18:11
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lbragstadgood deal18:11
ildikovso appreciated in advance that you guys look into this18:12
lbragstadfor sure - i have it book marked18:12
ildikovand I hope we will have good discussions coming out of the sessions in Sydney18:12
lbragstadildikov: thanks for giving us a heads up!18:12
ildikovlbragstad: thanks for the floor :)18:13
lbragstadildikov: anytime18:13
ildikovlbragstad: :)18:13
lbragstad#topic trello sync18:13
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lbragstad#link https://trello.com/b/5F0h9Hoe/keystone18:13
lbragstadso - just fyi, i changed a bunch of stuff in trello18:13
lbragstadi apologize in case you found a bunch of tello notifications in your inbox18:13
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lbragstadbut - overall, i wanted to be able to track bigger work while seeing smaller tasks move through the process18:14
lbragstadwhich is essentially where the "epics" column comes from18:14
cmurphythat was a good call18:14
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lbragstadotherwise - it doesn't really look like anything it moving, when things really are in flight18:15
lbragstadcredit goes to hrybacki for the tip18:15
gagehugohrybacki +118:15
lbragstadfor the time being - i'm not expecting the cards in "Epics"18:15
lbragstad to leave that column18:16
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lbragstadbut they should be descriptive enough and broken down into smaller cards18:16
lbragstadthat can move through the rest of the stages18:16
lbragstaddoes anyone have comments or concerns about the new format?18:16
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lbragstadalso - nearly ever card has a due date, which roughly corresponds to a milestone18:17
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lbragstadif you're the owner of a card, and you're comfortable setting a sooner due date, feel free to do so18:18
lbragstadfrom an actual work tracking perspective - the project tag stuff is *super* close to being done18:19
lbragstad#link https://trello.com/c/n7iBqoLY/35-project-tags18:19
lbragstadwe're pretty much just waiting on a patch to tempest18:20
lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485344/18:20
lbragstadthen we should be good to go from a server perspective18:21
lbragstadnext would be the system-scoping stuff18:21
lbragstad#link https://trello.com/c/W6eFpdPw/28-system-scoping18:21
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lbragstadstarting with the spec18:21
lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464763/18:21
lbragstadi'm working on converting the whole global roles implementation to using system-scope18:22
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lbragstad(i'm trying to break things into smaller patches, too)18:22
lbragstadthis is where we're at currently18:22
lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/system-scope+(status:open+OR+status:merged)18:22
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lbragstadwe also have unified limits and application credential specs coming down the pipe18:24
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lbragstadit'd be good to have most of the spec work for the release taken care of before or shortly after sydney18:26
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lbragstaddoes anyone else have anything for trello status?18:27
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lbragstad#topic queens retrospective18:28
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lbragstaddoes anyone have objections to holding the queens-1 retro during this meeting next week?18:29
hrybackiI think it's a good idea18:29
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lbragstadi figured most everyone will have time blocked off anyway18:29
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gagehugo_phoneSounds good to me18:30
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lbragstadcool - we'll plan on doing the retro next week then18:31
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lbragstad#topic open discussion18:31
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lbragstadfwiw - the openstack-ansible upgrade job has been removed in favor of something else18:31
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lbragstadas a result, odyssey4me has moved the job into the keystone repository18:32
lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514765/18:32
lbragstadthis was discussed this morning in #openstack-ansible18:32
lbragstad#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-ansible/%23openstack-ansible.2017-10-24.log.html#t2017-10-24T13:23:5918:32
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lbragstadjust fyi - and encouraging folks to review that if they're interested18:33
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gagehugo_phoneEventually all the jobs will be moved into the project repos right?18:35
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lbragstadgagehugo_phone: that's a good question - i'm not 100% sure18:35
lbragstadclarkb: or fungi might have a better answer?18:36
clarkbnot all jobs18:36
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clarkbI think the plan is to keep the PTI defined jobs in project-config to ensure projects are running them along with any of the "system-required" jobs18:37
clarkbthen anything that needs access to infra secrets will remain in eg project-config18:37
clarkbbut the vast majority of jobs should be able to move into your repos18:37
gagehugo_phoneAh ok18:38
lbragstadi assume functional or ldap testing might fall into that category?18:38
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lbragstadunless anyone has anything else - we can get some time back18:40
lbragstadreminder office hours starts in 20 minutes18:40
gagehugo_phoneThanks clarkb18:40
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ayoungWe have the Amazon walk thru tomorrow, right?18:40
lbragstadtomorrow at 1500 UTC18:41
lbragstadayoung: thanks for the reminder18:41
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lbragstadthanks for coming!18:43
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clarkb#startmeeting infra19:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct 24 19:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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clarkbhello infraers19:00
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clarkb#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:01
clarkb#topic Announcements19:01
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clarkb#info Summit in two weeks19:01
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fungiseems like we just had one19:01
clarkbThis is a general fyi that many of us will be traveling to the summit in Sydney soon. Expect things to slow down starting mid next week19:02
clarkb#info You probably need a Visa if you don't have one yet19:02
fungiyeah, i have to start my journey a week from tomorrow19:02
jeblairor an "electronic travel authorization" if you don't need a "visa"19:02
clarkbright that19:02
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clarkbso make sure you've got one19:03
clarkb#info No meeting November 719:03
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clarkbI'm just going to go ahead and call it on ^19:04
clarkbbut I will be around to host the meeting next week19:04
clarkb#topic Actions from last meeting19:04
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clarkb#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-10-17-19.00.txt Minutes from last meeting19:05
clarkbfungi did the backup policy on secrets get a doc patch yet?19:05
fungisomething i was probably supposed to do there, so... no not yet19:05
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clarkb#action fungi Document secrets backup policy19:05
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clarkbianw: I don't think I've seen backups for the actual secret keys yet either?19:05
ianwbah no, will do19:06
fungioh, right, something about making sure it says not to treat us as a backup of your secrets19:06
clarkb#action ianw Work to backup zuulv3 secret's keys19:06
clarkbfungi: ya that19:06
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clarkb(fwiw I didn't expect those things had been done as so much effort is still in sorting out bugs/jobfixes/etc)19:06
fungiwe can't provide them to you if you lose them, but we'll back up our private keys for our own disaster recover of the ci system19:06
fungiwill do19:06
clarkb#topic Priority Efforts19:07
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clarkb#topic Zuul v319:07
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clarkbjeblair had an item about the PTI and job variants here19:07
AJaegerAre we ready to remove zuul v2 config from project-config? Then we need to merge first https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513910 and then recheck and merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507180/19:07
jeblairoh hi19:07
AJaegerWe first want to tag, don't we?19:07
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jeblairAJaeger: yeah, i think we're ready19:07
jeblairwe can always retroactively tag19:08
* AJaeger removes the WIP from 513910...19:08
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jeblair(anyone want to suggest a commit to tag?  anyone want to actually perform the tag?)19:08
AJaegerjeblair: go ahead, sorry for sneaking in front...19:08
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clarkbI can make the tag19:09
jeblair(i don't care enough to suggest a commit :)19:09
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clarkbjeblair: probably commit before 513910?19:09
jeblairclarkb: wfm19:09
clarkbor we could even tag 513910 since it doesn't remove the jobs yet19:09
jeblairso the pti thing -- i think the migration doc is pretty clear on "don't put python-jobs template in your repo, put it in project-config"19:10
clarkbafter the meeting I'll pull up a git log and propose a commit to tag but I'm guessing something like master or master~119:10
fungii'm happy to `git tag -s farewell-jenkins ...` the immediate merge commit parent of whatever change removes our v2 configs19:10
fungias noted, doesn't have to happen pre-merge19:10
jeblairbut projects may need/want to create project-pipeline variants of the jobs in those templates19:10
jeblair(like, use a trusty on this old branch, or adding files or irrelevant files)19:11
clarkbor adding required projects like with neutron jobs19:12
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jeblairgenerally speaking, those could go either place -- project-config or in-repo.19:12
jeblairwith one notable exception19:12
AJaegerjeblair: I'd like to have a clear policy on what is ok: Do we reject variants in project-config? Don't care? Ask to have them in project-config?19:12
Shrewsor don't run any py27 jobs (the template adding that also adds pep8, which makes that more complex)19:13
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jeblaironce the project template is applied in project-config, you can't elect not to run a job on a branch, you have to drop the template and add the job specifically for the branch19:13
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jeblairyah, that :)19:13
jeblairit's probably worth treating these as two separate cases19:13
jeblairsince not running a pti job on a branch is, strictly speaking, a policy violation19:13
jeblaireven though, in the case which brought it to our attention (nodepool), it's a very forward-looking one :)19:14
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jeblairanyway, that case requires a project-config change anyway, so it's not going to slip by us.  i think we can set it aside for the moment and focus on the other case -- variants that add projects or file matchers, etc19:14
jeblairoh you know what, file matchers may not work either for the same reason19:15
Shrewsbranch matchers do not19:15
clarkbjeblair: I think that may be what the release job is running into19:15
jeblair(i bet that's what's going on with the thing i'm supposed to look at in the etherpad)19:15
AJaegerto reduce our work, we could say: templates have to stay in project-config, any variants go in-repo ;)19:15
jeblairAJaeger: i'm inclined to favor that idea too19:15
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AJaegerif we would go down this road, would we -2 any variant and ask to add to in-repo?19:16
clarkbis this something that is considered a bug or just behavior we have to live with?19:16
clarkbasking beacuse if it is just something that needs to be fixed do we want to move back to project-config later?19:17
jeblairclarkb: this is largely a policy question19:17
AJaegerSimilar, do we allow new legacy jobs like https://review.openstack.org/514768? I'm inclined to -2 this change that adds a legacy tempest troveclient job19:17
jeblairclarkb: ultimately, i'm inclined to say that we should trust projects to manage their own variants19:18
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jeblairreviewing those isn't really worth our time, and it's desirable that they be in-repo.19:18
clarkbjeblair: would we still force the variant to be run via project-config?19:18
AJaegerjeblair: then I would love to have a check that we do not run non-voting jobs in gate or voting jobs only in check ;)19:18
dhellmannthere are rules about defining a job in one repo and attaching it to another repo right?19:18
clarkbslightly concerned we'll end up with teh variant of "run no jobs" if not19:19
jeblairdhellmann: yes.  one of the rules is you can totally do that.19:19
dhellmannso I can define a job in releases and attach it to nova without their consent?19:19
jeblairclarkb: yeah, having the project-template attached to the project in project-config will cause the job to always run.19:19
clarkbjeblair: gotcha so even if the variant is defined elsewhere we'll force it to run19:20
jeblairdhellmann: nope.  another rule is you can only attach it to your own project.  only project-config is exempt from that rule.19:20
clarkbin that case ya I agree that allowing projects to define their own variants seems to be simplest19:20
dhellmannjeblair : ok, that's what I thought, thanks19:20
AJaegerdhellmann: you could define a template in release and if nova uses it, any changes in release repo, would be used...19:20
AJaegerdhellmann: but then nova could remove the template usage19:21
dhellmannAJaeger : yeah, that'll work fine. I was hoping to put the list of which projects use which release jobs in one place. it sounds like that place is still project-config, even if we move the job definitions elsewhere.19:21
AJaegerdhellmann: yes19:21
jeblairso i think where this is most likely to break down is in the competing interest between having the template in project-config saying "always run pep8" and a project wanting to say "don't run pep8 on these files".19:21
jeblairbasically, as soon as any variant matches a change, the job is going to run.  you can't undo that19:22
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clarkbjeblair: would the main job with no exclusions match too?19:22
jeblairthis is both in the case of the 'don't run on this branch' example from earlier, but now that i think about it, the more mundane 'don't run on this file'.19:22
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dhellmannso the job settings aren't applied in "layers"?19:22
jeblairdhellmann: they are, but once a job is selected to run, it can't be unselected19:23
AJaegerjeblair: so, to not run a job, I just add a "files: this-file-does-not-exist" ?;)19:23
jeblairdhellmann: cause basically, that's just not applying extra layers19:23
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jeblairlet me rephrase19:23
dhellmannjeblair : I guess you're saying the settings in the project tree don't override the settings in project-config19:23
fungiusing a first-match algorithm on the decision to run a job19:24
dhellmannthey may extend them to add jobs, but not change the rules for selecting jobs to run19:24
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jeblairthe openstack-python-jobs template in project-config is attached to all projects.  if a change matches any of the matchers are on *that template*, the jobs will run, regardless of whether a project adds their own variant to their own pipeline.19:25
* dhellmann nods19:25
jeblairdhellmann: yeah.  they can even alter the way the job is run (ie, increase timeout, add projects, change nodes).  the only thing they can't do is cause it not to run.19:25
clarkbya that is why releases py35 job runs even though there is a variant that specifies different irrelevant files19:25
dhellmannI guess that's not surprising and is probably a feature.19:25
AJaegerjeblair: so, irrelevant-files/files cannot be added in a variant?19:25
jeblairAJaeger: only in an additive capacity19:26
fungiso adding files would work fine19:26
dhellmannfiles would work but irrelevant-files wouldn't?19:26
jeblairyou can use them to say "also run this job on this file".  or, "extend the timeout if the change touches this file"19:26
dhellmannbut not "don't run this, even though another rule says to"19:26
jeblairdhellmann: right19:26
dhellmanngot it19:26
fungiif you wanted to note additional files which should also cause the job to run (assuming the job was previously set to run only under more limited circumstances)?19:26
jeblairfungi: yep19:27
AJaegerjeblair: thanks for this discussion, this is helpful!19:27
dhellmannso, tl;dr, there's no way to make the py35 job not run for data files that don't change the test results?19:27
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jeblairso i think if our policy is "you have to have the pti template attached to your project in project-config"  there's some implicit policy around when those jobs run.19:27
clarkbdhellmann: you could modify the base py35 job19:27
jeblairdhellmann: i think there are 2 things we can do (while continuing this policy)19:27
clarkbdhellmann: but otherwise I dn't think so19:27
* clarkb lets jeblair explain better19:28
jeblairwe can try to have a good set of matchers on that project-template19:28
jeblairand i think we actuall do that now?19:28
dhellmannI wonder why the releases repo falls under the pti we use for product repos.19:28
clarkbjeblair: ya there are already some irrelevant files on the project-template19:28
jeblairie, i think the project template does have irrelevant-files19:28
jeblaircopied from the nova/neutron copypasta from v2 i think19:28
jeblairso we can continue to manage additions to that and try to find a happy medium for everyone19:28
fungidhellmann: currently the pti is getting applied to every deliverable of an official team. we may want to decide at the tc level that the pti is only applicable to some subset?19:28
jeblairor we could adopt a policy that lets folks remove the project-template from their project in project-config, perhaps only if they also add back the individual jobs but with the matchers they want.19:29
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dhellmannfungi : Yeah, I think that's a conversation worth having. Not just for this case, which it seems we can solve regardless.19:29
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fungior, rather, we at the governance level have done a poor job of defining the extent to which deliverables have to conform to the pti19:29
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Shrewsjeblair: that is what nodepool has done19:29
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fungiand so project-config-core reviewers are taking the safest and most literal interpretation19:30
dhellmannfungi: yeah, I've noticed several times that different people have a different definition of "all repos" :-)19:30
Shrewsthough i expect, once we merge feature back to master, we can re-apply the template19:30
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jeblairalso, to be fair, the pti doesn't say 'you have to have a zuul project-template'.  it just says 'you have to run these jobs'.  it's probably fair for releases to still follow the pti, and for us to adapt our thinking on how that happens.19:30
jeblair(and more importantly, if you run these jobs, they run this way)19:31
dhellmanndoes the infra team *want* to enforce the PTI for all projects? or would you prefer that happens some other way?19:31
fungijeblair: in fact this came up for swift not too far back. their unit tests include tests requiring some special local filesystems provided which results in them needing to run an alternate job for them. the decision at the governance level was that the sort of deviation they required was acceptable19:31
jeblairi'm not sure i'd characterize our desire as that to 'enforce' as much as 'facilitate'.19:32
dhellmannsure, ok19:32
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AJaegerWe're not enforcing all PTI templates on jobs - I'm not -2 a change that removes python-jobs or a repo creation without python-jobs...19:32
clarkbya we've also given leeway in the past with eg noop jobs to start19:32
fungidhellmann: basically we'll do our best to review what's tested based on guidance provided in project governance19:32
fungibut, definitely not the police19:33
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dhellmannok. so it sounds like we should clarify that, and independently the infra team wants to consider the approach to apply the results19:33
jeblairso maybe the happy medium is:  1) use the template if you can.  2) if you want to change the matchers on the template to improve them and it would work for everyone, do that and we'll merge the change.  3) if that doesn't work for you, it's okay to drop the template in project-config, but then (a) add the jobs back in project-config (b) add the jobs back in your own repo.19:34
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jeblair(i don't know which of 3a or 3b we should suggest)19:34
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clarkbjeblair: does adding the jobs back in project-config outside of a template work? eg this behavior is specific to templates?19:34
fungiprobably 3a vs 3b can depend on whether the project has (yet) started to do any in-repo config19:35
dhellmannif part of the point of being able to set the jobs up outside of project-config is to lower the infra team's review burden, it seems like (b) is the approach to go with19:35
jeblairclarkb: yeah, and when you do that, you can add whatever (project-specific) matchers you want.19:35
clarkbgot it19:35
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clarkbfungi: ya that seems like a reasonable place to start19:35
fungii agree 3b is preferred but if a project doesn't have or doesn't want in-repo configuration at that point then 3a is fine they just agree to put up with our review bottleneck19:36
dhellmannthat seems fair19:36
clarkbits not like that bottleneck is a regression and generally should be improved if >0 projects do it in repo19:36
fungiin most cases i expect teams to prefer 3b as a solution over 3a anyway19:36
fungionce they get comfortable with the notion19:37
jeblairokay, i think i have a feeling for this, thanks.  this has been really useful to discuss in a meeting setting :)  i'll write it up and send it to the list19:37
fungiawesome, thanks jeblair!19:37
AJaegerthanks, jeblair !19:38
fungii agree, very helpful19:38
AJaegerOne related question: Do we allow new legacy jobs like https://review.openstack.org/514768? I'm inclined to -2 this change that adds a legacy tempest troveclient job.19:38
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clarkbAJaeger: I'm inclined to allow it if only because it is easy to copy what saharaclient did and this appeas to be a bug in the migration itself19:38
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AJaegerOr do we handle this like 3a  vs 3b - if in-repo exists...19:38
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jeblairi'm maybe inclined to let that slide for a few weeks.  maybe a month or so.19:39
AJaegerSo, encourage them to go in-repo but let them make their own decision for some time - ok, let's try...19:39
jeblairjust because the v3 native replacements for complicated jobs are only now becoming available, and we're impinging on peoples' schedules enough as it is :)19:39
jeblairmaybe stop doing that after sydney19:40
fungiand also that allows teams comfortable with writing v3-native jobs to lead the way, and provide a larger body of examples and experience for other teams to learn from19:40
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clarkbok anything else zuul? we are running out of time and have a few other items on the list19:40
funginothing from me19:41
clarkb#topic General topics19:41
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clarkb#topic IRC highlight string for project-config cores19:41
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clarkbconfig-core has been proposed as a replacement for project-config-core to reduce the amount of typing necessary19:41
fungii'm happy to match on the alternative there19:42
fungiwhatever has some loose consensus is fine by me at any rate19:42
clarkbya probbly best thing is to add both sets of highlights and that way users can get away with teh short version or use the long one if already learned19:42
AJaegerthat's what I did earlier today...19:42
clarkblets do that then. It is easy19:43
clarkb#agreed Add both config-core and project-config-core highlights to irc clients19:43
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clarkbplease disagree if there is a reason not to19:44
ianwconfig-core: i agree19:44
ianwhopefully that highlighted for you :)19:44
AJaegerthanks for the test, ianw ;)19:44
clarkb#topic Remove old/EOL branches19:44
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clarkbtonyb: this one is yours19:44
AJaegertonyb: did you make it?19:45
AJaegerOtherwise I can step in...19:45
AJaegertonyb has proposed two topics for branch removal: stable/newton and old numeric ones19:45
AJaegerthe agenda lists the two emails.19:45
AJaegerThe numeric one got no feedback at all AFAIU.19:46
clarkbAJaeger: the projects using the numberic branches are who you were looking for feedback from right?19:46
AJaegerI'd like to see the removal done to make our jobs easier - less to migrate19:46
AJaegerclarkb: yes, those where what tonyb looked for feedback.19:46
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AJaegerNo feedback can mean those projects are dead, haven't read it, whatever - but he only asked for disagreement and nothing happened19:47
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clarkbworst case we'll have tags for the branches and can restore them19:48
clarkbI think it is probably fine to ask for forgiveness in this case19:48
ianwif they were important they'd be in a branch-override in project-config or something, which they're not afaics?19:48
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AJaegerSo, two questions basically: Shall we do it? And who volunteers? jhesketh_ did it the last few times AFAIR but he seems not be around19:49
clarkb++ to doing it19:50
clarkbAJaeger: is this time sensitive as far as running the script?19:50
ianwi'm happy to work with tonyb on it, since we're timezone buddies19:50
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clarkbianw: that would be great. I'm happy to help too so feel free to ping if I can help19:51
AJaegerclarkb: not really time sensitive - but we normally clean up jobs only after removal. And I would prefer to simplify jobs earlier instead of seeing them migrated in-repo...19:51
clarkbAJaeger: good point so should be done soon19:51
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clarkbAJaeger: does that cover it? anything else you and tonyb want to go over on this topic?19:52
AJaegerthis covers everything from my side19:52
clarkb#topic Sydney team evening ideas19:52
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AJaeger(but I expected tonyb to be here, so don't know whether it covers everything from his)19:52
clarkbAJaeger: ok we can follow up with tonyb later in the day (when tonyb is awake)19:52
clarkb#link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/lx7zv5denrb919:53
clarkbianw has put together a thing ^19:53
clarkbif you are going to be in sydney and are interested in walking around and finding food and drink you should take a look19:53
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ianwi realised the tuesday is melbourne cup day19:53
clarkbianw: does that mean everyone is going to be in the bars watching a sporting event?19:53
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ianwthe event is at like 3pm, but many will continue.  i'm not sure if the conference has organised anything19:54
ianwit is "the race that stops a nation", as they say19:54
clarkbsounds fun :)19:54
clarkbbut ya just wanted to amke sure people saw that ethercalc, there is an infra list thread. Please take a look if interested19:54
clarkb#topic Project Renames19:55
jeblairdoes "X" mean i am available?19:55
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openstackRemoving item from minutes: #topic Project Renames19:55
clarkbjeblair: that is how I was treating it19:55
ianwjeblair: yes19:55
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clarkb#info X on ethercalc means you are available that night for team thing19:55
clarkb#topic Project Renames19:55
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clarkbThese didn't happen beacuse we were focused on helping the release team. I think it is probably a good idea to get more settled into zuulv3 before we try to schedule this19:56
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ianw++ agree19:56
ianw#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rename-2017-10-2019:56
clarkbit also came up that we may have to modify our "playbook" for performing these due to zuulv319:56
ianwa preliminary plan19:56
clarkbProbably post sydney we can resync and go from there19:56
ianwbut i think we decided the early zuul steps were wrong?19:56
clarkbianw: ya I think there were concerns about renaming things in a way that kept zuul happy19:57
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clarkblets pick it back up after the summit19:57
clarkb#topic Open Discussion19:57
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clarkbquick you have 1.5 minutes19:57
clarkbI did something to one of my molars last Friday eating a brick that we called toast and have a dentist visit tomorrow morning (I was just there too...)19:58
fungiright, renaming projects without breaking zuul's configuraiton loading is the tricky bit we don't have answers to yet, i think (short of forcing the change in while zuul is offline)19:58
clarkbok, thank you everyone19:59
clarkbsee you next week then in sydney19:59
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fungithanks clarkb!19:59
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fungireminder: no tc meeting this week, but we have office hours in #openstack-tc as usual (our next is at 01:00 utc)20:07
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