Wednesday, 2017-10-25

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zhiyuan_#startmeeting tricircle01:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 25 01:02:48 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is zhiyuan_. Information about MeetBot at
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zhiyuan_hi joe01:03
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zhiyuan_I have submitted the patch for queens-1 tag, the nova cell v2 integration is included in this tag01:04
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zhiyuan_I see neutron team has updated their patch for queens-1 tag,so I will check if we need to update correspondingly01:05
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zhiyuan_especially recenetly we merge one patch from yipei to adapt the neutron change01:06
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joehuangok, and one more patch this morning01:07
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Yipei_yes, yesterday this patch receives a timeout error01:08
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Yipei_i resubmit it today01:08
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zhiyuan_i see01:08
zhiyuan_in this patch, a new atribute "tap_enabled" is added01:09
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zhiyuan_is this attribute also open to API?01:09
zhiyuan_if so, I think our sfc plugin code and xjob also need to be updated01:10
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Yipei_not sure, i think it is not01:12
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joehuangwe may need to wait for the sfc functional test result01:13
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joehuangto check to see if api is affected or not01:13
Yipei_ah, it added a flag01:13
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Yipei_--enable-tap and --disable-flag01:14
Yipei_so it should be open in api01:14
zhiyuan_the reason I think we need to update is that our xjob will sync the central sfc resource to local sfc resource, if xjob isn't aware of the new attribute, this attribute may be lost01:14
Yipei_i see01:15
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Yipei_i will further improve the patch01:16
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zhiyuan_at least we can set this attribute in our smoke test and check if the local resource is correctly created01:17
zhiyuan_before we do some changes on the plugin and xjob code01:18
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zhiyuan_this can be put in another patch since 514683 is an urgent patch01:19
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Yipei_good idea, i would like to go on fixing it01:22
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zhiyuan_thanks yipei01:23
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Yipei_zhiyuan, you are welcome:)01:24
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zhiyuan_the patch for default security group has been submitted, what about the other feature, passing the client information to the context, so central neutron server know where the request is from01:25
xuzhuangnow i'm doing the direction of requests01:26
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zhiyuan_for the qos patch, I find some errors in unit tests like test_create_policy_rule, so I think this is qos specific issue01:31
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zhiyuan_oh, it seems that the owner of the qos patch is offline currently01:36
joehuangmaybe ping the owner after the meeting?01:37
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zhiyuan_ok, will do that01:37
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zhiyuan_just check the neutron queens-1 tag patch, the change "consume load_class_by_alias_or_classname from neutron-lib" that affects our project is not included in queens-101:41
joehuangSorry I have to leave now for another meeting01:41
zhiyuan_fine, bye joe01:42
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zhiyuan_if no other topics, we can also end our meeting a bit earlier01:43
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Yipei_ bye, joe01:43
xuzhuangno for me01:43
zhiyuan_ok, I will ping then qos patch owner offline, thanks for join the meeting01:44
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gongysh#startmeeting tacker04:32
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 25 04:32:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at
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gongyshdkushwaha, haha.  welcome back04:32
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dkushwahagongysh, thanks, long time stuck in client request04:33
gongyshlets start04:33
gongysh#topic bp04:33
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gongyshphuoc, do you have any stuff to discuss for your two bps?04:34
phuocthe first bp, Kubernetes as VIM04:34
phuocI will remove using fernet key, use only use barbican to encrypt secret information04:35
phuocthe second bp, I will make spec in Heat translator to make it meet to Tacker requirements for containerized VNF04:36
digagongysh: phuoc: I have updated the spec with changes as per the comments04:36
digaphuoc: yes, we have to add spec in heat translator for k8s support04:37
gongyshphuoc,  the direction is fine for me.04:37
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trinathsHi All,04:37
gongyshtrinaths, hi04:37
phuocgongysh, about add new container VNFM, do you have any suggestion?04:37
phuochi trinaths :)04:38
MinWookKimtrinaths, hi:)04:38
gongyshphuoc, you are talk about your 2nd bp?04:38
gongyshtalk -> talking04:38
trinathscontainer VNFM ?04:38
phuocgongysh, yes04:38
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trinathshi, gongysh phuoc MinWookKim :)04:39
gongyshphuoc the heat-translator is not in the charge of tacker team04:39
digawe should talk to zala for heat-translator04:40
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gongyshif we use it, we have to first do bp in heat-translator, and then do bp in tacker04:40
phuocI think we should push it in Heat translator04:40
gongyshI think we have tosca-parser and then do tosca-translator in our own way.04:41
trinathsheat-translator is the perfect place.04:41
trinathsphuoc: that way the code is re-usable by other projects.04:41
gongyshI don't think so. heat-translator, the name hints, is to translator from tosca to hot04:41
digatrinaths: +1, I will also go with heat translator04:41
gongyshyou guys are enlarge the heat-translator scope.04:42
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trinathstosca-parser and heat-translator are sub projects to heat. we can have suggestions from Heat guys for this.04:42
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trinathscomments ?04:43
phuocgongysh, some guys from heat translator agreed to expand the heat translator scope04:43
digayes, we should talk to heat team and then come to conclusion04:43
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phuocI asked Boh and Zala about it04:43
gongyshin my opinion, first do tosca-translator in our own repo, and then push to related lib projects.04:43
digagongysh: you mean to avoid dependancy from start ?04:44
phuocgongysh, it can be the good way04:44
digagongysh: you want to implement it in tacker first04:44
phuocbecause if we start with Heat translator, it will take so long time04:44
gongyshdiga,  yes04:44
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digagongysh: okay04:45
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gongyshdo you know at the beginning nova has all of the stuff, and then the network, volume is split from it.04:45
digaI will think through this because how much it will take to implement it in heat-translator, it all depends on it04:45
trinathsgongysh: there are two ways IMO, [1] develop the code for translate within taker and later move it to heat. [2] first develop in heat and then use the lib in tacker04:46
digabut one thing we should get from heat-translator is, we can have full tosca parser support from other project also04:46
trinathsif we use [1] we may spin the wheel where we need to fix issues ourselves when ever there are requirements and changes04:46
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dkushwahatrinaths, agree for 104:47
trinathsthen using [1] writing translator might be good for now, but moving forward, it might not be the motive of the tacker team.04:47
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digayes, that's the major problem here04:47
digatrinaths: +104:47
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trinathsso if [2] is considered, we can offload the translator issues to heat team after we or heat collaboratedly develop the translator and let heat manage the things04:48
gongyshtrinaths, heat-translator is not heat/04:48
trinathsthat way [2] tacker as a MANO project can focus more on its essential future requirements rather than library fixex.04:48
trinathsgongysh:  agree. its a subproject from heat.04:49
digabut if we follow [2], then we can develop generic translator which can be used for other projects also04:49
digawith the help of heat04:49
phuocheat translator has few guys04:49
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phuocif we want to push it, we have to get involve :)04:50
dkushwahaIMO, its better to first discuss with heat guys04:50
gongyshphuoc,  the decision is do it in our own repo first,   depends on tosca-parser project.04:50
digaGuys, can I suggest one thing, We should talk to heat/het translator team first then we should decide04:50
trinathsphuoc: we have to. that is the easy way. s04:50
trinathsphuoc: please take this as an action-item and conclude this asap.04:51
phuoctrinaths, ok I will do it soon04:51
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trinathsphuoc: its our initial priority..04:52
phuocgongysh, can you approve this
digaphuoc: You need some help, let me know04:52
phuocdiga, yes its huge work for me04:53
trinathsphuoc: as gongysh said, we can also implement the translator in our code base. but it will contradict Tacker motive.04:53
digaphuoc: already got involved in this and going through heat-translator code base also :)04:54
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phuoctrinaths, I will make a discuss with Zala and choose the best way04:55
gongyshphuoc, my strategy is to do the parser first in our own base, and the put it into other project if needed. if the parser code is just one or two files,  maybe we will not split it anyway.04:56
gongyshok, next bp04:56
gongyshphuoc, I will +2 after my comment is fixed.04:56
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phuocgongysh, thanks04:57
gongyshand do you guys have tested the devstack script yet?04:57
gongyshI failed because of the ability access to google related site.04:57
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trinathsgongysh: this one ?
gongyshtrinaths, have you?04:58
trinathsgongysh:  no..04:59
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gongyshdiga, do you have guys to test it?04:59
digagongysh: okay, will take a look at it05:00
gongyshdiga, ok, if it is tested, we can merge it as soon as possible.05:00
gongyshdiga, thanks05:00
digagongysh: yeah, i will test it by tomorrow05:01
gongyshYanXing_an, hi05:01
trinathsgongysh:  i will test and reply my comments05:01
gongyshdo you have any to talk about indirect mode and vnf with vnffg?05:01
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YanXing_anI have saw the comments in indirect mode spec05:02
YanXing_anwill update it05:02
phuocYanXing_an, I think we can apply your spec with container VNFM05:03
gongyshand what about vnffg?05:03
trinathsphuoc: no hurry.05:03
YanXing_anand for vnffg in ns, will try to push the first patch next meeting05:03
trinathsphuoc: lets complete this, mean time we can have indirect-mode ready.05:04
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phuoctrinaths, I mean in the future, not now :)05:04
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digagongysh: I want to introduce one of my company colleague05:05
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gongyshdkushwaha, can you start the policy mistral action tasks?05:05
dkushwahagongysh, yea, i will resume it now05:05
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trinathsphuoc:  :)05:05
gongyshdkushwaha, thanks05:05
gongyshnext bp05:06
gongyshMinWookKim, hi05:06
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MinWookKimgongysh, hi05:06
gongyshany think to talk about you AMP spec?05:07
MinWookKimI'm sorry, Actually security has not yet been considered.05:08
MinWookKimFor security, I will update the content after review.05:08
gongyshand also to consider how the system will run if scale, respawn action is trigger backer to tacker system.05:09
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MinWookKimI'll update you soon.05:11
gongyshwho is interested in the AMP policy can help to review this spec patch.05:11
gongyshI find Yan Xing an has done one review05:11
dkushwahai will review it05:12
gongyshdkushwaha, thanks05:12
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gongyshtung doan is not back for a long time,05:12
gongyshI think he will be interested in it too05:12
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MinWookKimWe are also working on code for scale and respawn actions for the  trigger.05:12
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gongyshMinWookKim, ok great05:13
MinWookKimI think so05:13
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gongyshwho know where is tung doan?  whether will he be back to join us?05:14
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phuocgongysh, he moved to another project and busy with it05:14
dkushwahai think, he shifted to Germany05:14
phuocI will notice him :)05:14
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jankihey gongysh05:15
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gongyshjanki, hi05:15
gongyshthat is all for bp review05:15
gongysh#topic coding05:15
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phuochi janki :)05:16
gongyshwe have some code patch in queue05:16
jankiphuoc, heyyy05:16
gongyshnot much05:16
YanXing_anhi janki05:16
jankiYanXing_an, hello05:16
gongyshplease have your time to have a look at.05:16
phuocDimitrios Markou is working hard, we should support him :)05:17
gongyshphuoc, you are right.05:17
trinathsphuoc: +105:17
phuocI see some his work is very helpful05:17
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gongyshdkushwaha, you have this +2, how do you think if we merge it?05:17
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dkushwahagongysh, i haven't tested, but looks fine to me05:19
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gongyshdkushwaha, ok05:19
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gongyshI have to read the related doc and then merge it.05:19
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gongyshYanXing_an, there are two related to vnffg05:20
digagongysh: Let me introduce my colleague from my company, as we have very less time left05:20
gongyshcould you please help to review them?05:21
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gongysh#topic open discussion05:21
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YanXing_angongysh, ok05:21
digagongysh: msk will be working with me on Tacker05:21
gongyshdiga, your time05:21
digagongysh: yes05:21
digamsk (Mohsin) is a architect with having more than 10 years of exp in storage and networking domain05:22
phuocdiga, I can't see him05:22
gongyshis he/she at the channel?05:22
YanXing_andiga, is he here?05:22
digayeah, he got disconnected05:22
digahe is joining again05:23
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diganow he joined as mohsin05:23
dkushwahawelcome mohsin05:23
digawelcome to tacker mohsin05:23
mohsinThank you :)05:23
phuocwelcome mohsin to Tacker :)05:23
trinathsmohsin: hi :)05:23
YanXing_anwelcome, mohsin05:23
gongyshdiga, welcome the senior team member.05:23
gongyshmohsin, hi05:23
MinWookKimwelcome mohsin :)05:24
digamohsin: please introduce05:24
gongyshif we are doing wrong, please help to speak loudly.05:24
mohsinThanks all05:24
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mohsincurrently i am working with VMware based NFV platform05:24
mohsinlooking forward to contribute in Tacker05:25
gongyshmohsin, could you please talk some thing aoubt vmware nfv platform?05:25
gongyshdoes it have MANO part?05:25
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digagongysh: they have their own mano based NFV orchestrator05:26
mohsinvmware publishes its reference architecture based on MANO05:26
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dkushwahamohsin, in which company you working?05:27
gongyshmohsin, if it is ok, share us some URL to learn. that will  help to save a lot time.05:27
gongyshdkushwaha, he is working along with diga.05:27
digadkushwaha: He is with Calsoft inc. same company I am working with now05:27
phuocdkushwaha, I think the same company with Diga :)05:27
digaphuoc: :)05:28
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gongyshmohsin, great05:28
dkushwahaaah, got it05:28
mohsinit is the open link from VMware which describes its ref architecture w.r.t MANO05:28
gongysh2 mins left05:28
trinathsmohsin: its aligned to ETSI NFV architecture ?05:29
gongyshlook forwards to progress within next week.05:29
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dkushwahawho all going to summit?05:29
gongyshthanks everyone.05:29
gongyshI will05:29
phuocme too05:30
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gongyshsee you guys at tacker channel.05:30
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b1airo#startmeeting scientific_wg10:02
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b1airooh wait, i could be early...10:02
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ildikovb1airo: you scared the heck out of me for a moment that I missed the meeting :D10:25
b1airoildikov, dum de dum - nothing to see here o_010:27
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ildikovb1airo: all good, been there done that :)10:28
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b1airotake two11:01
b1airo#startmeeting scientific_wg11:01
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b1airo#topic roll call11:02
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ildikovAfternoon :)11:02
b1airoyes, would be more interesting to ask for a time call11:02
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b1aironot sure where oneswig has gotten to11:04
ildikovthe beauty of open source and a global community :)11:04
tomkingb1airo: hi, i'm on the same BoF as you at SC, happy to partake in this meeting11:04
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b1airohi tomking! thanks for joining11:05
b1airoi was just following up on the BOF email thread - has taken me a while to come around to it11:05
b1airohi verdurin11:06
b1airook, in terms of agenda the SC17 BOF is really the main thing11:07
b1airothough would also be good to find anyone else interested in participating in the Scientific OpenStack Lightning Talk session at the Sydney Summit11:08
b1airodid anyone have AOB they want to add to the agenda? ildikov - perhaps a word on the wash-up with the hackathon?11:08
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ildikovI can give ORC updates11:08
ildikovI have limited knowledge on the hackathon besides the fact that it's cancelled :(11:09
ildikovbut we can have a word about that too11:09
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b1airook let's get into it then...11:09
b1airo#topic SC17 BOF11:09
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b1airosession details:
tomkingb1airo: what was the title of your orig bof before the merger?11:11
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b1airothat was it tomking11:12
b1airosame title we used last year11:12
b1airoi guess you weren't there last year?11:12
tomkingok, so they've just squashed the storage bit into your orig11:13
b1airoi've just minted a fresh etherpad to start agenda planning for it:
tomkingi was, sorry. jetlag excuse11:13
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b1airoyeah pretty much tomking, personally i think cloud - hpc-storage integration could be a bof of its own, but i guess it's easy to see why they were suggested to merge11:14
b1airoi will dig up the etherpad we used last year as a reference point...11:15
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tomkingok, have the vendors suggested anything to you cover or have just me/bruno/simon been in touch?11:15
tomkinglooking back i went to the panel not the bof last year11:17
b1airowell I must admit I was fairly bullish with the vendor / vendor-reps and made it clear i only wanted to merge the actual user-institutions/practitioners in11:17
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tomkingno complaints11:19
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b1airoso tomking, i take it you are expecting what seems to be the typical SC BOF format, i.e., set of short talks and then open discussion, potentially moderated within the BOF group but taking questions from the audience ?11:21
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b1airolast year we did not have that moderator role really, and i think perhaps it would have helped11:22
tomkingyes, in that there should/could encourage audience interaction11:22
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tomkingthe panel session was a bit more to and fro11:23
b1airowe started with a set of high-level areas we were going to cover and then kind of went through them and let a few members of the BOF talk about specific points they had11:23
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b1airoyes, i think the panel session went alright (from what i remember anyway)11:24
tomkingok, how many people turned up for the bof last year? 50-100?11:24
b1airoit was standing room only11:24
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oneswigHello, apologies for my extreme lateness11:24
oneswigsomeone nicked the chairs?11:24
b1airowell, there were people standing i remember - though that doesn't mean there wasn't a row of seats empty at the front ;-)11:25
b1airohi there oneswig11:25
oneswigit certainly was busy11:25
b1airo#chair oneswig11:25
openstackCurrent chairs: b1airo oneswig11:25
martial_Hi guys (sorry on phone going to airport)11:25
oneswighi b1airo, evening11:25
oneswighi martial_, morning11:25
b1airono probs martial_11:25
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oneswigHave you discussed the BoF and lightning talks at the sydney summit?  I'ld like to put one in11:26
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b1aironot yet oneswig , just been discussing the SC17 BOF11:26
oneswigAh OK.11:27
b1airook, think we should move along to those other items - i am already following up on the BOF participant email thread and will report back on that next week11:27
b1airounless you wanted to discuss anything more tomking ?11:27
oneswigbefore that11:28
tomkingno, i'll read through last year's etherpad and suggest if anything comes to mind11:28
oneswigwhat happened with the merge?11:28
b1airogreat, thanks!11:28
tomkingpresumably update for latest Openstack release11:28
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tomkingand a bit more on storage11:28
b1airooneswig, it's happened - though updating the schedule only happened last week11:28
oneswigok thanks.11:29
b1airopossibly more on Ironic too11:29
tomkingas verdurin will note, bruno and I are suit-wearing manager types these days11:29
oneswigb1airo: tomking: we hit some interesting issues with Pike and Ironic11:29
b1airoso BOF participants are currently listed as: Stig TelferMartial MichelMike LoweTimothy RandlesRobert BuddenBenjamin LynchBruno SilvaTom KingSimon Thompson11:30
b1airo(oh dear, that didn't paste very nicely)11:30
oneswigtomking: are you at the Crick?  I'm sitting in Kings Cross11:30
verdurinDidn't realise you meant that sort of merging11:30
tomkingno i live at qmul11:30
oneswigah, got it11:31
b1airooneswig, shall we ask to remove you and add ...?11:31
b1airoverdurin, haha!11:31
oneswigoh, hadn't noticed I was still on there!  I'll take care of it.11:31
tomkingdo you want emedlab/climb to prepare a few slides?11:32
tomkingon what we've got and how we're doing it right now?11:32
b1airotomking, yes I think that'd be great11:32
tomking10 mins worth?11:32
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b1airowill sort that out via email - might need to be shorter depending on how many decks we are going through11:33
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b1airowe have 1h40m11:33
b1airo#topic Sydney stuff...11:33
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oneswigLast meeting before Sydney for me, I'll be in All the Timezones next Tuesday11:34
martial_Same for me11:34
b1airosounds awfully exciting oneswig11:34
martial_With the hackathon being cancelled...11:34
oneswigIt's not the journey b1airo it's the destination :-)11:34
b1airoroll up, roll up, come one, come all:
ildikovoneswig: I'm flying out next Tuesday evening, so I'm with you on that :)11:35
martial_To 201811:35
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oneswigI hadn't heard that.  Must pay attention11:35
b1airooneswig, you just gained a free weekend in Melbourne and/or Sydney I guess!11:35
martial_They sent an email to mentors11:35
ildikovwe're encouraging the attendees who signed up to come to the Upstream Institute training during the weekend11:35
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oneswigPerfect opportunity to write a lightning talk!11:36
ildikovto learn about the community and do some hacking still11:36
oneswigHi ildikov - sounds good, where is it?11:36
ildikovthe training is in the Sydney Convention and Exhibition Centre - Level 4 - C4.511:36
ildikovSaturday 2pm - 6pm and Sunday 9am - 6pm11:36
oneswigb1airo: current plan is to fly Melbourne-Sydney fairly early Saturday morning11:37
b1airoyeah it's a bit of a shame but I think it was always on shaky ground trying to bring it together so late and without solid commitment from the vendors/platforms involved11:37
oneswigildikov: can you link to it?  Do people need to sign up somewhere?11:37
ildikovoneswig: ^^11:38
ildikovonly students need to sign up11:38
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ildikovif anyone would like to pop by as a mentor please reach out to us on #openstack-upstream-institute11:39
b1airoso anyway, if you are interested in doing a lightning talk at the summit then please at throw your hat in the etherpad:
b1airoanything else on Sydney?11:40
oneswigthanks b1airo I'm doing it11:40
b1airowe have a BOF session to plan too11:41
ildikovb1airo: should I do the ORC update now or in AoB? :)11:42
b1airo#topic ORC update11:42
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b1airotake it away ildikov11:42
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ildikovb1airo: thanks :)11:43
ildikovso we have the first day on the Summit schedule now11:43
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ildikovwe also sorted out registration related questions for those, who're planning to attend ORC only11:44
ildikovI reached out to the Keystone folks so far to give them a heads up on Craig's session about Federation and ORC in general11:45
ildikovalso encouraged them to attend the relevant ORC sessions on Identity11:45
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ildikovalso a heads up that the ORC Congress is two days long and only the first day is hosted in the Summit venue11:46
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oneswigildikov: is the second day venue arranged?11:46
martial_(thanks ildiko, phone keyboard less efficient)11:47
ildikovthere is a separate eventbrite for ORC to get an idea who's coming:
oneswigI can only attend the second day I think - unless it's easy to hop between them11:47
armstrongildikov: so we need to register for both events?11:47
martial_Wilfred was looking into this11:47
ildikovoneswig: yes, but I can't find the mail about it :/11:48
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ildikovarmstrong: yes11:48
martial_A location was found from what I know11:49
armstrongildikov: ok thanks11:49
martial_Just can not access it just now11:49
ildikovarmstrong: we will not turn away anyone from the ORC Congress without a registration though, we would like to have an idea on who's interested and attended overall11:49
armstrongildikov: Sounds good but am sure I had registered.11:50
ildikovarmstrong: Summit registration however is essential as the first day is hosted in that venue11:50
ildikovarmstrong: great!11:50
ildikovI also sent out a mail to the ORC ML to help with finding related presentations and Forum sessions11:51
b1airook, all done on that?11:52
ildikovI hope that will help with further collaboration between the two communities besides the overlapping participants11:52
b1airoyes, good idea ildikov11:52
ildikovb1airo: do you know if there was any outreach to local universities/institutions about this?11:52
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b1airoabout ORC ?11:52
ildikovb1airo: both Summit and ORC, but I'm more curious about ORC as I'm sure we did as much as we could with promoting the Summit there11:53
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b1airono idea i'm afraid, i imagine Wilfred has promoted it at least a little, but i doubt he would have gone much broader than existing Nectar community11:55
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b1airowe did have the eResearch Australasia conference here last week - that would have been a good venue for promotion... :-/11:55
b1airo#topic AOB11:56
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ildikovb1airo: :(11:56
oneswigAnyone out there using TripleO with LinuxBridge or OVN, by any chance?11:56
oneswigI've been researching it... want datapoints.11:56
ildikovb1airo: do you know if there's any way to reach out to that group still?11:57
b1airoildikov, yes there is, there are a few national projects/groups that effectively spam everyone in the sector :-)11:58
ildikovb1airo: nice :)11:58
b1airooneswig, isn't OVS more equivalent to linux-bridge?11:58
verdurinb1airo: would like to hear about your local developments, that I don't think you got around to last week? Not now, clearly.11:58
oneswigb1airo: older, simpler, some say faster11:59
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oneswigthat is the question11:59
ildikovb1airo: if you could give some pointers after the meeting that would be great and then we can decide what and what not to do :)11:59
b1airoildikov, for example AeRO11:59
priteauIn AOB I wanted to mention that Blazar became an official OpenStack project at the end of September. We'll be in the Queens release!11:59
oneswigWe've hit some problems with Nova+Ironic on Pike this last week or two which we ought to write up.11:59
oneswigBravo priteau11:59
oneswigDid I mail you earlier?11:59
b1airobut the conference also has a mailing/contact list too - tricky to ask them to use it though...11:59
ildikovpriteau: +1, great news, congrats!12:00
priteauoneswig: got your email, thanks!12:00
oneswigGreat.  Just checking I'm still sane12:00
b1airopriteau, awesome!12:00
verdurinwell done priteau12:00
oneswigpriteau: we need to set a date and I'd like to bring some 'friends'12:01
oneswigto chat blazar12:01
b1airoare you guys arranging a playdate?12:01
priteauoneswig: absolutely, do let me know when is a good time12:01
oneswiggot a new gaming rig b1airo!12:01
oneswigah, we are out of time.12:02
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b1airoto be continued in #scientific-wg12:02
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b1airothanks all!12:02
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oneswigalas, gotta get onto a train now.12:02
oneswigThanks all12:02
priteauBye everyone12:02
martial_Bye everyone12:02
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ildikovthanks all!12:05
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witek#startmeeting monasca14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 25 14:00:38 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is witek. Information about MeetBot at
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witekthere is no agenda for today14:01
rhochmuthwitek: i've been out for a few days, will try and answer our questions later today14:01
rhochmuthwitek: sorry about that14:01
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witekno problem14:02
witekdo we have any topics for today?14:02
witekZuul migration is almost completed14:03
witekthere are new gate jobs in almost all repos14:03
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witekthe configuration is now maintained in a given repo itself14:04
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witekthe referenced playbooks live here:
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witekthanks everyone working on this14:06
witekif we don't have any topics, I would like to bring some review to your attention14:07
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sclet's go with reviews14:08
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witekCassandra support14:09
witekjgu is quite far with his changes14:09
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tobiajomaybe stupid question, but why does it fail the zuul checks?14:10
witekthe last check was run on Oct 1914:10
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witekrechecking should work now14:11
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jguthe persister patch fails because of maven dependency on the common patch14:11
jgucommon and api patch passed zuul I think +-)14:12
witekjgu: you'll have to rebase the api change14:12
witekI have added one task to the story14:13
jguyep, thanks14:13
witekyou might want to have a try, or someone from our team takes care of it14:13
witek5793: add zuul gate jobs with tempest tests14:14
jguI got the pointers from Ryan where to to add the zuul gates. We will give it a try.14:15
jgubut welcome help if anyone on your team wants to offer help!14:15
witekI would appreciate a lot a review from HPE on monasca-api change14:16
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rhochmuthwill do14:16
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witekrhochmuth: thanks a lot14:16
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jgurhochmuth: thanks!14:17
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witekLuka Peschke from CloudKitty kindly requested some reviews14:18
witekhe implemented Monasca collector for CloudKitty14:18
rhochmuththanks luka14:18
witekyes, it's nice to have some cross-project work14:19
rhochmuthi'll also try to get some reviews on cassandra and cloud kitty done this week14:19
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rhochmuthi've been somewhat absent on reviews lately14:19
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akiraYTomasz, thanks for your many reviews.14:21
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witek:) Tomasz and rhochmuth are most active reviewers, thanks14:22
jgu+1 "Tomasz, thanks for your many reviews"14:22
rhochmuthwell, i haven't done much recently14:22
rhochmuthbut will try to help in that area14:23
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rhochmuthwe'll see what happens this week though14:23
witeknew agent plugin for linuxcontainers14:24
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witekJoe Keen had a look at it already14:25
witekand another plugin:14:25
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witeknew contributor from Orange Labs14:26
Fouad_BenamraneHello all14:26
witekhi Fouad14:26
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scI like this14:27
Fouad_Benamranesc: thanks14:27
witekso hopefully we'll get some eyes on these14:27
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Fouad_Benamranewitek: ok14:28
witekwe also have some extension to grafana-datasource14:30
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witekI guess, that was all on my list14:31
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jgrYeah, I'll need to polish a few things about that extension still...14:32
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jgrWill take a while, though - currently packaging all the dependencies for that...14:33
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witekdo you have any topics or reviews?14:35
jgrNot at the moment14:35
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witeknext week we have a public holiday and I'm not sure if I will be able to participate in the team meeting14:35
witekrhochmuth: could you lead the meeting?14:36
rhochmuthi might14:36
rhochmuthjgr, are you available?14:36
rhochmuthor someone else, just in case14:36
jgrrhochmuth: next week?14:36
jgrrhochmuth: let me quickly check...I think that one's not a public holidy here...14:36
akiraYoplease review griddb metrics repository.14:37
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jgrOk, not a public holiday here (only Tuesday). I'll be here.14:38
witekanyone can start the meeting14:38
witekhelp is here:
rhochmuthright, i was just concerend about my avaialbilyt14:38
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witekand here
rhochmuthi will try and make it though14:38
scI can be the backup of the back ;-)14:39
rhochmuththx witek14:39
rhochmuththx sc14:39
scrhochmuth: drop me an email if you can't do14:39
witekand in two weeks I will be attending the Summit14:39
witeksame story :/14:39
rhochmuthwe should cancel that week, as is common with all the weekly meetings14:39
akiraYome, too.14:40
witekyes, we might do that14:40
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witekOK, let's cancel then the meeting on Nov 814:41
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witekif there is nothing more, I'll be closing14:42
nseyvetok. thx14:42
jguthx Witek14:42
witekthank you, bye14:42
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ad_rien_#startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds15:00
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parusGood Morning/Afternoon!15:00
ad_rien_#chair parus ad_rien_15:00
openstackCurrent chairs: ad_rien_ parus15:00
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ad_rien_#topic roll call15:01
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ad_rien_Please update the etherpad ;)15:01
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ad_rien_#link line 141315:01
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ad_rien_anyone from FBK, Ericsson ?15:02
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ad_rien_seems not15:03
dancnyes, FBK, but in another meeting also, partial ttention15:03
ad_rien_ok thanks dancn15:03
ad_rien_so a few of them are on vacations on Inria too.15:03
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ad_rien_Actually I should have been off too but…15:03
ad_rien_#topic news15:03
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ad_rien_as usual please go to the pad, read/amend/complete15:04
ad_rien_If you have questions or some points you would like to discuss please do it ;)15:04
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ad_rien_ok let's switch to the next topic so ;)15:05
ad_rien_#topic ongoing-actions15:05
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ad_rien_we have two important points to discuss today15:06
ad_rien_(at least from my side):15:06
ad_rien_1./ the F2F meeting15:06
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ad_rien_2./ the use-cases' slides15:06
ad_rien_I propose to start with 1./15:06
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ad_rien_as you can see, I already added a couple of links toward the different sessions/presentations that are scheduled for the Sydney meeting.15:07
ad_rien_I would like to ask anyone to complete this list with presentations that you believe are relevant for our discussions15:07
ad_rien_(i.e. please explain what you/we can expect from the discussion).15:07
ad_rien_I will open a dedicated etherpad15:07
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ad_rien_Regarding the agenda: Can you please add your expectations (i.e. points you would like to discuss).15:08
jamemcc_Thanks for the long list of related sessions - I was able to mine a couple of them to add to the Suggested LCOO working group sessions - thanks15:08
ad_rien_I remind that I will not attend the summit this time. dpertin and parus will chair the session15:08
ad_rien_so parus maybe you would like to highlight some points in particular?15:09
ad_rien_regarding the agenda15:09
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parusdo we agreee that the next IRC session will be in late novement?15:09
ad_rien_Nov 22 ?15:10
ad_rien_If I'm right15:10
parusThat works for me.15:10
parusOf course, we will create an etherpad for the f2f so anyonne interested can find out what happens.15:10
jamemcc_Communication proposal - I'm assuming we will use the ongoing working pad - even for the F2F session - alternative is we would setup a standalone pad just for that session.  In either case we should let the knw to change the text description here to include hyperlink to that pad.15:11
jamemcc_22 ok for me15:11
ad_rien_@parus done15:11
ad_rien_@jamemcc_ good point15:12
jamemcc_If the F2F is likely to bemore of a birds of a feather session - people coming and attending who are not usual collaborators - maybe standlone makes more sense15:12
jamemcc_FYI - I will not be travelling to Sydney either15:13
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ad_rien_guys would you please put your name once again on the pad (i.e. the F2F meeting if you attend the summit)15:13
ad_rien_ok so that's all from my side right now.15:14
jamemcc_I can work with Parus to set it up - not a big debate needed here I think15:14
ad_rien_parus:  we can iterate offline to make progress on the agenda. dpertin will also give an overview of the ongoing activities of the WG/SIG/Team15:14
ad_rien_great let's move forward so15:14
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parusOK. I think there was an item about Neutron also that we were planning to address at sidney. Right?15:15
ad_rien_parus could you please elaborate a bit more ?15:15
ad_rien_we have a new PhD student that should start by december (hopefully)15:15
ad_rien_but right now we didn't do anything from our side around Neutron. Did I miss(understand) something15:16
parusMaybe my memory is fuzzy. but I thought we mentionned something like that in past meeting about cell v2 and neutron.15:16
ad_rien_there is indeed some discussions about how including similar concepts of Cell V2 in neutron15:16
ad_rien_I do not know what are the current progress?15:16
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ad_rien_that can be one point to put in the agenda indeed15:17
ad_rien_good point15:17
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parusI thought the action was to contact people from Neutron... and sydney might be a good time.15:17
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ad_rien_#link let's start to work on the agenda15:18
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ad_rien_may I suggest to move on the use-cases bullet ?15:19
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ad_rien_#topic use-cases' presentation15:20
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parusThanks for anyone to provide comments to this draft.15:20
ad_rien_May I propose to spend 20 min on this point15:21
ad_rien_I think it is important that we have a common understanding ?15:21
ad_rien_Is it ok15:21
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ad_rien_So slide 3, I will prepare the content15:21
dancn+1 FBK will add something right after the fog congress next week15:21
ad_rien_Slide 415:22
ad_rien_What do you mean by Service Scenarios ?15:22
ad_rien_Please parus15:22
parusService Scenarios = VoLTE or uCPE or ....15:22
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parussome service that telcos offer to entreprise or consumer.15:23
parusor some service that an enterprise builds.15:23
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ad_rien_my point is that it is difficult to see the diff between Deployment scenarios vs service scenarios15:24
ad_rien_but it seems you know what you are talking about15:24
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ad_rien_so let's move forward15:24
parusDeployment scenario would be cinder on edge , or cinder on central node.15:24
ad_rien_whereas services are more about applicaitons, correct?15:24
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parusApplication is a good word. Let's change service for application.15:25
ad_rien_ok maybe putting deployment scenarios at that time is a bit sooner15:25
ad_rien_too early15:25
jamemcc_Parus - thanks I see the VM machines are low profile and include non Linux.15:26
ad_rien_maybe we can talk about different sandboxing technologies15:26
ad_rien_i.e. VM, containers, unikernel15:26
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parusI am happy to. serverless too.15:27
parusjamecc: does that address your point?15:27
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ad_rien_Slide 7 ?15:28
ansmithSlide 7 - the term 'Edge Node' is not clear to me, the slide refers to relationships/attributes of app, frameworks, premises, etc.15:28
ad_rien_can I?15:28
ad_rien_good point15:29
ad_rien_Edge sites vs edge nodes (i.e. site= a micro/nano DC vs nodes = a server15:29
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ad_rien_They may be different15:30
ad_rien_OpenStack / Kubernetes15:30
ad_rien_not sure it should be presented in that way15:30
parusWhat way do you suggest?15:30
ad_rien_(once again don't get me wrong, this is your presentation parus, so just some feedbacks from our side)15:30
parusI am open to suggestion... can you be more specific?15:30
ad_rien_A mCPE vs a C-RAN15:31
ad_rien_what do it mean?15:31
ad_rien_maybe two slides15:31
ad_rien_the first one hardware oriented15:31
ad_rien_the second one software oriented15:31
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ad_rien_i.e. slide 6 hardware oriented15:31
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ad_rien_i.e. what's make an edge site different than a normal cloud  from the hardware viewpoint/requirements15:31
ad_rien_and then Slide 7: what make en edge site different… from the software viewpoint15:32
ad_rien_you can run Kubernetes on top of OpenStack (and actually a lot of end-users do that)15:32
ad_rien_e.g., the FBK use-case for instance15:32
parusOK I get it. This is a good point.15:32
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parusI think it is three slides:15:32
parusone to define edge, one to show hw options, one to show sw options15:33
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ad_rien_I mean how you provide then containers, unikernel, VM, baremetals15:34
ad_rien_is another question15:34
ad_rien_"They may be in different administrative domains"15:35
ad_rien_this is an important assumption15:35
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ad_rien_just to let you know that we do not take it right now15:35
ad_rien_as it makes the global pictures much more difficult15:35
ad_rien_(i.e. you need to think about peering agreement ....)15:35
ad_rien_in other way, having a global Openstack to supervise/orchestrate a (large) couple of edge sites might be relevant15:36
ad_rien_(whatever if you are leveraging a broker or a fully distributed approach)15:36
ad_rien_but supervising several systems looks definitely a real challenge15:36
ad_rien_I'm not sure even ONAP is targetting that15:36
ad_rien_billing, ….15:36
parusAre you suggesting I leave this point out?15:36
ad_rien_this will become a nightmare15:37
ad_rien_I think this point is more relevant to the guys that deal with federation challenge15:37
parusWe want to focus on things that Openstack people can act on.15:37
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ad_rien_see for instance the current efforts that are done in NIST15:37
parusThat is the audience.15:37
ad_rien_There is a difference from my viewpoint between federations15:37
ad_rien_and edge computing15:37
ad_rien_is it clear ?15:37
ad_rien_#link  Federation objective15:38
parusit is different... but there are a lot of federating questions around edge that are specific.15:38
ad_rien_here you really target to interconnect different domains15:38
ad_rien_there are some overlaps indeed  but15:39
ad_rien_the evil in the details :-P15:39
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ad_rien_the evil is  ;)15:39
ad_rien_we discussed a lot with Craig Lee during the first year of the WG15:39
ad_rien_for instance you have to deal with Keystone federation challenges15:40
parusI am happy to leave the topic out. I would really like people to walk out of the presentation and think about how edge impact Neutron, how it impact cell v2, how it may impact AMQP ... etc.15:40
ad_rien_where are in a edge infrastructure operated by the same telco this question can be non relevant15:40
ad_rien_so maybe you can add that in the software slide15:40
ad_rien_(i.e. according to what we discuss before)15:40
ad_rien_from the software view point it is different than the federation challenge15:40
ad_rien_from the hardware also15:41
ad_rien_because it is a single domain (at least in the vision we have/share)15:41
ad_rien_butonce again this is your deck ;)15:41
ad_rien_so please take it as feedback not an obligation (I do not want to be impolite)15:41
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parusHow do you feel about the question on privacy?15:42
ad_rien_I really like the latest slides15:42
ad_rien_I think they put the right questions15:42
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ad_rien_coul dyou please elaborate a bit more ?15:43
ad_rien_@rcherrueau is our privacy expert ;)15:43
ad_rien_He made his Phd on it.15:43
paruseven though it might be the same domain.15:43
parusOne driver of edge, is that private content can stay local.15:43
ad_rien_Privacy is something rather large. Could you please precise your point?15:43
parusThis is a new attribute for openstack.15:43
ad_rien_yes location15:43
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parusShould we open that topic with this audience?15:44
ad_rien_we should be able to reify the location at the end-users/developers API level15:44
ad_rien_may make sense15:44
ad_rien_Maybe asking the question or at least mentioning sounds good15:45
parusI will add that as a bullet.15:45
parusMaybe on side 14.15:45
ad_rien_I think we should close that point15:46
ad_rien_We can iterate offlne for sure15:46
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parusCan you please make sure to mark comments on the presentation? I will review offline.15:46
ad_rien_we can iterate by mail. It will be easier15:46
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parusGreat. Thanks for the input.15:46
ad_rien_Ok any other comment ?15:47
parusdid we address jamecc's point?15:47
ad_rien_ok I propose to switch to AMQP to have a short overview of what has been done (unless dancn wants to add something regarding the fog congress) ?15:47
ad_rien_(jamemcc_ can you double check that your comment(s) is/are in the slide please)15:48
ad_rien_#topic AMQP15:48
dancnno update, we are working on the demo right now... :-)15:48
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ad_rien_ok thanks15:48
ad_rien_I will put it in the pad15:48
ad_rien_ansmith:  ?15:48
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ansmithnot much to update, we are scheduling a meeting in early november to discuss testing details15:49
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ad_rien_anything else ?15:49
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ad_rien_#topic open discussions15:51
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ad_rien_so as I wrote I have to send the offical email for switching to a SIG15:52
ad_rien_jamemcc_:  did you already do it for LCCO ?15:52
ad_rien_jamemcc_:  are you still there?15:53
ad_rien_(by the way this is the only point I have from my side, so please feel free to add any comment/remark if you have some)15:54
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parusThere is a call on white paper starting in 5 min.15:54
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ad_rien_so if there is nothing else. I propose to end the meeting now?15:55
ad_rien_so thanks everyone15:55
ad_rien_Feel free to complete/amend the pad15:55
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smcginnisOh jungleboyj, where art thou?16:01
jungleboyjI am here.16:01
jungleboyj#startmeeting cinder16:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 25 16:01:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:01
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lhx__hi all16:01
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jungleboyjcourtesy ping:  jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers16:01
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gouthamrhi o/16:01
jungleboyjSorry, have a 'sick kid' that had questions.16:02
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diablo_rojoHello :)16:02
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jungleboyjGive people another minute to join.16:02
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SwansonYou used up that minute.16:02
jungleboyjGuest74730:  Gorka, you are very guest like.16:03
jgriffithwe're now 3 minutes in16:03
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jungleboyjOk ok.16:03
Guest74730jungleboyj: I just noticed!   XD16:03
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jgriffithjungleboyj: :)16:03
jungleboyj#topic announcements16:03
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jungleboyjSo, nothing on the agenda today other than announcements.16:03
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jgriffithshort meeting :)16:04
jungleboyjjgriffith:  Don't jinx it.16:04
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jungleboyjAs always, please keep an eye on the spec review tracking.16:04
jgriffithjungleboyj: oops16:04
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jungleboyjWe have had some more specs approved that I need to get added to the list.16:04
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jungleboyjWill get that done.16:04
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jungleboyjI did cut queens-1 last week.16:05
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Are you guys still blocked up on Zuulv3 issues?16:05
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smcginnisAnd we were actually able to process it.16:05
eharneyyeah, need to get encryption key migration into that list16:05
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smcginnisStill backed up, but we've been able to get a few through.16:05
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Cool.16:05
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smcginnisOne big remaining issue with service tarballs not getting signed.16:05
jungleboyjeharney:  Ok, will do.16:05
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jungleboyj#action jungleboyj  to add encryption key migration to the spec review tracking.16:06
jungleboyjAny other items that people know need to be added?16:06
jungleboyjGuess not.  :-)16:07
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smcginnisNone I know of.16:08
jungleboyjThank you to everyone who updated the Sydney information page to indicate they will be there.16:08
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smcginnisjungleboyj: Got that link handy again?16:08
jungleboyjStill a small group but some of us will be there.16:08
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jungleboyjSo, that was all I had for today.  Thank you to those of you who have helped do reviews the last week.16:09
smcginnisHopefully that list will grow at least a little bit.16:09
jungleboyjsmcginnis: ++16:09
smcginnisBut hopefully a much bigger list for the PTG in Dublin.16:09
e0nesmcginnis: +116:09
jungleboyj#topic Open Discussion16:10
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: ++16:10
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  You said that the Dublin dates were officially announced?16:10
smcginnisYeah, let me see if I can find that now, but last week of Feb, first week of March.16:10
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Cool.  Thanks.16:11
jungleboyjeharney:  Any update on getting the driverfixes branch working again?16:11
eharneyjungleboyj: i think it's getting close, waiting for some job results now, need to start16:11
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smcginnisOh wow. Well, I found Thierry's tweet, but with the reply to it I better not link to it.16:12
e0nejungleboyj, smcginnis: here is it:
smcginnise0ne: Thanks!16:12
e0nethere was an announcement in openstack-dev too16:12
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* DuncanT is looking forward to seeing folks in Dublin16:13
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diablo_rojoDaww :)16:13
jungleboyjDuncanT:  Yay!  It will be great to see you!16:13
DuncanTIf you've any generic questions about Ireland, shout :-)16:14
diablo_rojoShame you couldn't make it to OSD UK16:14
DuncanTdiablo_rojo: Yeah16:14
jgriffithDuncanT: can you adjust the weather in Feb ?  :)16:14
smcginnisDuncanT: I have a question. Do they have any beer there?16:14
jungleboyjeharney:  Can you let me know when driverfixes looks good so I can try to get the many backed up patches through?16:14
jgriffithsmcginnis: +116:14
DuncanTjgriffith: You can have rain in any temperature you like as long as it is cold16:14
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  He he.16:14
jgriffithDuncanT: excellent!!  I love choices16:14
DuncanTsmcginnis: No. The Irish don't drink, ever16:15
eharneyjungleboyj: i've started rebasing some patches there, hopefully they will start showing +V16:15
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diablo_rojoHow about whiskey?16:15
jungleboyjeharney:  Ok.  Thanks.  I will watch.16:15
DuncanTWhiskey? Oh yes.16:16
DuncanTsmcginnis: I'll post up a Dublin ale pubs and microbrewer map16:16
e0nesmcginnis: you must to try guinness there :)16:16
jungleboyjSo, do we anything else for open discussion time?16:17
smcginnise0ne: Think I've heard of that one. :)16:17
jungleboyjOther than beer and whiskey?16:17
diablo_rojoDuncanT, can we do a Jameson tour?16:17
smcginnisDuncanT: What's that one that actual distills in Dublin now.16:18
e0nejungleboyj: we can't talk about something else now16:18
diablo_rojojungleboyj, what else could there be?16:18
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smcginnisDuncanT: Toured there last time I went through and the tasting was pretty good.16:18
jungleboyjSo, I am taking that as a no.16:18
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smcginnisjungleboyj: Yeah, I think we're past being productive.16:19
smcginnisWell, at least productive in the way our employers would prefer.16:19
* jungleboyj has plenty I need to be productive on.16:19
jungleboyjWe have plenty of time to plan drinking in Dublin.16:19
jungleboyjNot much time before Sydney.16:19
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jungleboyjOne drinking destination at a time.16:19
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jungleboyjOn the bright side, I now know how to get people to participate in the meeting.16:20
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jungleboyjOk team.  Thank you to all of you who are helping to keep things running smoothly.16:20
jungleboyjOh, one last thing.16:21
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jungleboyjNext week's meeting.16:21
jungleboyjI will either be in the air or just landing at LAX.16:22
jungleboyjSo I don't know that I will be able to run the meeting.16:22
smcginnisWe can probably skip.16:22
smcginnisMaybe just send important updates out via the ML?16:22
diablo_rojojungleboyj, are we on the same flight? lol16:23
smcginnisThat would be funny.16:23
jungleboyjdiablo_rojo:  Don't know.16:23
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  That sounds good.16:23
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jungleboyjSo watch the mailing list for meeting plans over the next few weeks.16:24
diablo_rojoSounds good. Will do.16:24
jungleboyjProbably will note meet on 11/8 but get back to the regular schedule on 11/15.16:25
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jungleboyjOk.  Safe travels to all who are traveling.  Talk to you all later.16:26
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diablo_rojo_alastor_, late to the party ;)16:27
_pewp_jungleboyj (*゚͠ ∀ ͠)ノ16:27
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_alastor_diablo_rojo: yeah.  I always miss my alarm for this meeting16:28
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diablo_rojo_alastor_, MOAR alarms!16:30
_alastor_diablo_rojo: ;)16:30
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thingee_alastor_: you should be up in time right? isn't your baby your alarm now?16:55
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_alastor_thingee: I'm definitely up, I just get distracted with the baby :)17:00
diablo_rojo_alastor_, better have a bunch of baby pictures and videos to show off in two weeks17:01
_alastor_diablo_rojo: oh, you have no idea17:01
_alastor_diablo_rojo: it's gonna be a deluge17:01
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bh526r#startmeeting gluon18:00
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bh526r#topic Roll Call18:00
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krenczewskiHi Bin18:00
bh526r#info Bin Hu18:00
bh526rHi Kamil18:00
krenczewski#info Kamil Renczewski18:00
bh526rThank you for joining.18:01
bh526rHow is everything going?18:01
krenczewskiStruggling with setting up dev environment18:01
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bh526rwhat happened?18:01
jinli#info JinLi18:02
bh526rHi Jin18:02
jinliHi bin and kamil18:02
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krenczewskiI am working on integrating networking-opencontrail witn networking-bgpvpn18:02
krenczewskiHi Jin18:02
krenczewskibut I have some troubles with devstack and ubuntu 1618:02
krenczewskiNothing unususal18:02
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bh526r:) I see. What is the rational of "integrating" contrail with bgpvpn?18:03
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krenczewskito allow bgpvpn to be started by neutron and use contrail as a worker18:04
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krenczewskinetworking-bgpvpn is a Nautron api extension18:04
pcarveris "integrating" the right word? I think "writing a new driver" might be what you mean18:04
bh526rI see. So use contrail as a backend driver (implementation) of bgpvpn18:05
pcarverThere has been a Contrail driver for networking-bgpvpn for quite a while, but the networking-opencontrail driver is a newly designed driver18:05
bh526rso basically update the original contrail driver of bgpvpn with the new networking-opencontrail18:06
krenczewskiI'll look into that, I didn't explore this topic yet18:06
pcarverI think it's a re-write, I'm not sure, but I don't think it uses the original driver that was written early on18:06
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krenczewskicurrent networking-opencontrail has a very little in common with original contrail driver18:08
bh526rSo in general, the intention is to use opencontrail as backend for everything, while allow to support Neutron's bgpvpn APIs18:08
krenczewskiyes, something like that18:08
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bh526rso that is "re-write"18:08
bh526rGreat. Good luck with those "not unusual" hickups in setting up dev environment18:09
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bh526r#topic Update18:10
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krenczewskiThanks :-)18:10
bh526r#info Kamil is setting up dev environment to use networking-opencontrail as backend driver of networking-bgpvpn18:10
bh526r#info The intention is to use opencontrail as backend for everything, while allow to support Neutron's bgpvpn APIs18:11
jinliI wrote the code according to our meeting last week. I will need to run some test case to make sure at least the front end rest api is working18:11
bh526r#info Nothing unusual, but some hickups in environment setup18:11
jinliI will schedule a meeting with you next week to review code and run a full test18:12
bh526r#info Jin is focusing on backend Shim Layer, and working on the code18:12
bh526r#info Jin will run some test case to make sure at least the front end rest api is working18:13
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bh526r#info Jin and Bin will meet next week to do code review and full test, if possible18:13
bh526rLooks like business as usual.18:14
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bh526rany other update to share?18:14
jinlithat's all for me18:14
bh526rthank you Jin and Kamil.18:15
krenczewskiThank you18:15
jinlithank you!18:15
bh526rIf nothing else, we can finish meeting.18:15
bh526r#info Nothing else, meeting adjourned18:15
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bh526rfeel free to hang in and chat, but meeting finished :)18:16
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bh526rThank you everyone, and bye all18:16
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SotKstoryboard folk!18:59
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diablo_rojoHello :)18:59
SotK#startmeeting storyboard18:59
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SotK#link Agenda19:00
SotK#topic In Progress Work19:00
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SotKThe database consolidation patch was merged, thank you for the reviews there!19:00
Zarathanks for writing it!19:00
SotKnow hopefully our gate works a bit more smoothly19:00
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SotKI'd like to fix the test suite more but that is low priority for me now19:01
Zarathe os testr patch did pass its tests immediately after19:01
Zaraso that's a good sign19:01
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diablo_rojoI think I just +1ed it19:01
* SotK will review that this evening19:02
Zaraand thanks mtreinish! :D19:02
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SotKthe next thing I want to look at is fixing this weird emails bug, but I've not had time to pester anyone about helping this last week or two19:03
ZaraI've only just got to reviews :/19:04
diablo_rojoSotK, gotta ask for help or else no one will know you need help :)19:05
SotKdiablo_rojo: I know, but time goes so fast D:19:05
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ZaraI swear it was july last week19:06
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SotKthis matches my perception19:06
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diablo_rojoI blinked and three months passed.19:06
SotKI should get to rebasing and finishing like I did with the automatic worklists patch soon too19:07
SotKone day the teams implementation will be fully featured19:07
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Zaraoh, neat19:08
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diablo_rojoThat day should be soon now that I have proposed this:
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diablo_rojoA release goal.19:08
SotK\o/ thanks diablo_rojo19:08
Zarayes, thanks!19:08
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ZaraI've skimmed but not read in depth yet (and feel much guilt about that)19:08
diablo_rojoDon't thank me yet- hasn't been merged and once it has we have a lot of work to get done.19:08
Zarabut you made a thing19:09
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Zaraso you get a thank you19:09
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Zarait's not the allcaps thank you yet19:09
Zarawe have tiered thank yous19:09
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Zarathere are also some webclient patches in review that I finally took a look at19:10
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Zaraseems fine to me, though I may have missed something subtle19:11
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SotKseems fine to me too, I'll vote after the meeting19:11
diablo_rojoYeah something is wrong there but I can't see it either.19:11
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Zara#link appears to need some reworking to me though if my comment seems misleading or misses some things, feel free to add more19:11
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Zaraour zuul jobs have been doing some strange things and I've put a note in their etherpad for that19:12
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ZaraI was reminded becuase you can see it in the js draft builds for the first of those patches19:12
Zaracompare the jenkins one to the zuul one19:12
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Zarawell, 'jenkins'19:12
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Zaraaaaand if ever I remember the url for the zuulv3 etherpad, I'll link that here since I noted it on there...19:13
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ZaraI'd've preferred a story, though I know some folk have been having issues with login that I don't think anyone has got to the bottom of yet19:16
ZaraI couldn't log in to storyboard-dev last night :/19:16
Zararegular storyboard.o.o worked, though19:16
Zaraas did my personal instance19:16
Zaraserver logs from an affected instance could be helpful, maybe a db dump... not sure what else could be useful for debugging that19:17
SotKyeah, it has been broken for a while19:17
Zarait worked for me until yesterday but that might be to do with a token needing refreshing at that point, idk19:17
SotKI'm not sure what the cause is, I suspect something is misconfigured19:18
ZaraI'm concerned as some people have reported it on s.o.o as well as dev, and also even if it were just dev, that's an issue for training etc19:18
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Zaraand as there are some email issues too, seems like a good time to investigate the deployment more generally19:19
SotKI think the issue some folk have had on s.o.o is different, in all but one case of that it has been a transient issue whereas dev has been giving me a (different) reproducible error19:19
Zaraoh, okay19:20
Zarathat's frustrating in one way but maybe better news for dev at least19:20
SotKbut yes, it would be good to try to improve things across the board, I agree19:20
Zaraif we have a list of things that'd help with debugging, maybe we can send it infra's way19:20
Zarasince aiui that's the way to get a db dump or some server logs19:21
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* SotK will organise something19:21
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ZaraI was a bit wary of this ending up as a hazy 'investigate' task where nothing happens19:22
Zaraso trying to come up with concrete stuff we can do when we know nothing :)19:22
SotKanything else in progress?19:24
Zarathere was the docs patch19:25
diablo_rojojohnsom's patch?19:25
Zaratl;dr: currently links to gh because of limitations of rendered docs anchoring with our current tooling19:25
Zarawould prefer release time to have rendered docs somewhere more official so it can be anchored there19:26
diablo_rojoAh. Makes sense.19:26
diablo_rojoYeah I remember now. Debate about where to link to19:26
johnsomYeah, no deep links when pointing to the text on git.o.o19:27
Zarayeah, there's some discussion in the comments there about options, I've held off merging until that's settled, though we should be aware of it when projects migrate so that we can give them that info in the meantime19:27
johnsomIt became more that I had time for to try to move the doc and I couldn't just link to it from the docs, it didn't render well.19:28
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diablo_rojoIt happens, we are all super busy johnsom :)19:28
johnsomBTW, any news on getting emails working?  Grin19:28
Zaranone yet though I believe it's now our top priority19:29
Zarawe are inching forward19:29
johnsomOk. Ping me if you want me to see if it starts working19:29
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Zarathanks :) (also re: the docs patch, I think it's a useful patch and would like it in there before too many teams migrate, even if we have to link to a gh version)19:30
Zara(still hoping we can avoid gh linking but most important thing is that the teams have that info imo)19:30
diablo_rojoAgreed. I care less about how it looks so long as the info is there.19:30
diablo_rojoIts not like most people havent seen a gh page anyway ;)19:31
Zaraheh, considering saying something like 'if it gets to a point where we have x number of teams waiting for it, we merge, tidy later'.19:31
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ZaraI think that's everything that's in-progress19:32
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SotK#topic Discussion19:34
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Zaracan we put together a plan for emails debugging/fixing?19:34
ZaraI'm not sure what info to assemble; I estimate that I last got emails around july.19:34
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Zarayes, july 21st19:35
Zaraso a starting point might be to go back to around then in db and gerrit and see what changed19:36
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Zaraand another thing would be to get a list of people we know are/aren't affected and look for differences19:37
SotKI will ask you some questions after the meeting19:37
Zarathat's my idea of where to start with it, anyway, but it's a pretty hazy plan19:37
SotKseems sensible19:37
Zaraokay, we should also write stuff up in a story so we can point people at it etc19:38
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SotKI'd like to get logs from the email workers, and see if any of them have had some kind of trouble19:38
ZaraI think there was one19:38
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* Zara finds!/story/200122919:38
Zaranot sure if that was the only one but related anyway19:38
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SotKthat one was discovered at the same time but turns out to be unrelated afaict19:40
* Zara makes a story19:41
SotKthanks Zara19:41
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Zaraadded some scrawly tasks19:42
Zarafeel free to make them less scrawly19:43
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Zarajust writing stuff up from here so I don't lose it19:43
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Zarathat's all I had, I figure that's the first step to get moving toward a fix19:45
SotKyep, it is a sensible step19:45
Zaranow I've written it down I can completely forget it!~ =D19:45
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SotKheh :D19:47
SotKanything else?19:47
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SotKthen thanks everyone for coming!19:48
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Zarathanks for chairing, SotK!19:48
diablo_rojothank you SotK19:49
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mtreinishZara: sure, np. Sorry it took me so long for me to get it working20:44
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notmynameswift team meeting time21:00
notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
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notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
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rledisezhi o/21:00
notmynamehmm... I'm sure there's more than 4 people out there :-)21:01
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acoleshi, sorry to be late21:02
notmynamenow that acoles is here, we can finally begin21:03
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notmynameacoles: no worries. we haven't started yet :-)21:03
acolesI was here I just didn't say hello21:03
notmynameah. of course21:03
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notmynameok, let's get started then. most of the people I expected to discuss today's topic are here21:04
notmyname#topic next release21:04
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notmynameit's time to tag another release21:04
notmynamepriority reviews page is updated with 2.16 stuff21:05
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notmynameit's in rough order that I'd prioritize it21:05
notmynameplease review stuff as you are able21:05
notmynameideally, I'd like to release next week (earlier than later, since i'll be flying to the openstack summit late next week)21:05
notmynameare there any questions about any of these patches?21:06
mattoliverauNope, let's aim for next week21:06
notmyname#topic bug triage21:07
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notmynamelast week we said we'd have a bug triage day next week21:07
notmynameideally, that would be right after a release is tagged :-)21:07
notmynamewhich is great21:07
notmynameso put the bug-bash day on your calendar and let's clean up that list21:08
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notmyname(this is a reminder topic instead of one that needs a lot of discussion, I think)21:08
notmynameok, now for the meaty topics :-)21:08
notmyname#topic SPDK and swift21:08
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notmynametoday peluse is back with us (yay) to talk about something he's been working on21:09
peluserock n roll21:09
notmynamepeluse: take it away21:09
peluseI'm thinking I should have typed some shit up in advance to avoid all the typos I'm about to introduce :)21:09
notmyname#link http://spdk.io21:09
peluseis the URL as I mentioned before.  Quick high level overview then I'll bring up a proposal someone in our community has made21:09
pelusethat we haven't spent a whole lot of time thinking about TBH21:10
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peluseAlso, here's a SNIA talk I did last month about SPDK in general and one relevant component called blobstore
peluseSo SPDK is a set of user space components that is all BSD licensed21:10
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peluseits used in a whole bunch of ways but mainly by storage appliances to optimize SSD performance in what swift would call the storage node21:11
peluseFYI its in Ceph already but not the default driver21:11
peluseand when I say "it" I mean whatever component the system has chosen to take on, in Ceph its the user space polled mode NVMe driver21:11
pelusethere are some basic perf marketing type hypes slides in that deck I pated in for anyone interested21:11
pelusepretty huge gains when you consider latency and CPU sensitive apps running with latest SSDs21:12
notmynameso the basic idea is a fast/efficient way to talk to fast storage media that might potentially be useful in swift's object server?21:12
peluseanyway, that's the real trick is that its all user space, direct access to HW, no INTs and no locking21:12
pelusebut there are a ton of compoennts, well not a ton, but a bunch that would not be relevant21:13
timburkecould it be useful for the account/container servers, too, or are we just looking at object servers (and diskfile in particular)?21:13
notmynamewhat are the integration points. I doubt it's as simple as mmaping a file and your'e done21:13
peluseand some are lirbaries and some are applications.21:13
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peluseI think since its SSD only (well not techncially but it wouldn't make sense to use on spinning media) most likelt container21:13
rledisezso we are talking of objec servers on SSD. is it a real use case? (i would think it's the target of ceph, very low latency)21:13
peluseif you used object servers there are probably some limitations wrt what we call blobstore21:14
peluseI'l get to the integration question in a sec21:14
peluseso, assuming a node takes on the user space NVMe driver and the driver talks directly to HW you can see there no kernel and no FS21:14
peluseso... unless the storage application talks in blocks it doesn't make much sense21:15
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peluseblobstore is SPDK's answer to this but its not a FS21:15
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peluseit's a super simple way for apps that don't talk blocks that can use a really simple file-ish object-ish like interface to take advantage of SPDK21:15
peluseso for example, RocksDB21:15
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pelusein that slide deck I mention some work we did there to bolt blobstore up to RocksDB as a back end21:16
notmynameso ... as you know swift likes to be HW and driver agnostic. what does this tie in too? is it possible to write stuff in a way that works if you have fast media or not?21:16
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peluseits that kind of idea that might makes sense for Swift21:16
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notmynameor is the idea that swift would engage spdk mode if it detects flash?21:16
peluseso there are lots of things that can be done there21:16
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pelusebut yeah I think anything more aggressive than NVMe only would not be worth it21:17
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peluseSPDK doesn't automateically do any of that kind of detection21:17
peluseso that would have to be considered21:17
notmynamethat makes sense21:17
notmynameI could imagine swift detecting that21:17
peluseand blocstore itself is pretty immature, need to point that out.  We just now added code to recover from a dirty shutdown if that gives you an idea21:18
notmynameok, so tell me (us) more about the blobstore. would that be a diskfile thing?21:18
peluseso this whole thing would be a proof of concept type activity for sure21:18
notmynamehow does this make rledisez's LOSF work awesomer?21:18
peluseso yeah, I think diskfile would make sense21:18
pelusebut I don't rememeber the details there of course.  my brain is pretty small :)21:18
peluseIn that slide deck you can see a super simple example of the interface21:18
peluseblobstore bascially takes over an entire disk, writes its own private metadata and then the app create "blobs" and does basic LBA sized reads and writes to them21:19
notmynameah, ok21:19
peluseit can't handle sub-LBA access (by design)21:19
pelusewell, we can them pages in blobstore but they're 4K21:20
notmynamethat sounds like a haystack-in-a-library thing. or something similar to what you're working on rledisez21:20
rledisezyes, blobstore would be what we call volume. and I guess it embed its own k/v indexation. so it looks similar in some ways21:20
peluseyeah, I think the integration effort w/Swift for production would be a decent sized lift but for a POC may be worth it provided, maybe for container SSDs, the latency and CPU usage bebenfit made sense21:21
notmynamepeluse: is there any spdk component that could replace sqlite? eg some kv store that does transactions?21:21
notmynameeg to replace the container layer21:21
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peluserocksDB would be the closest match, using blobstore as a backing component21:21
pelusebut that's really what Wewe's proposal was - to add a k/v interface on blobstore21:22
notmynameah ok. so a 3rd part db that works with spdk21:22
peluseyeah, maybe that's the best first step21:22
notmynameany questions from anyone, so far?21:23
peluseI can't remember what sqlite guts look like, can you easily replace the storage engine as its called in like MariaDB, anyone know?21:23
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peluseyeah, OK didn't think so21:23
notmynamesqlite is "just" a DB library21:23
tdasilvadumb question from me, but can you explain the difference from spdk and the intel cas tech?21:23
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notmyname^ not a dumb question21:23
pelusesure, good question21:23
pelusethey are totally different for one thing21:24
peluseCAS is a caching project/product that works between an app and the FS.21:24
peluseSPDK is a whole bunch of stuff, but not caching layers.  It has to be integrated with an application unless you use one of the things like the compiled iSCSI target21:24
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pelusedunno if that's enough explanation - block cache vs library of stuff for integration, mainly polled mode device driver for NVMe21:25
peluseso Q for you guys, is there any urgency with container SSDs and latency and/or using a bunch of CPU?21:26
tdasilvapeluse, so spdk provides performance improvements by substituting the FS and writing directly to block storage21:26
rledisezdo you handle caching in bdev or blobstore? or do you assume the underlaying device is fast enought21:26
pelusetdasilva, yup21:26
peluserledisez, there's no data caching at all right now21:26
tdasilvapeluse: very similar to bluestore?21:27
pelusebdev is a layer for abstracting different types of block devices.  For example we can have an NVMe at the bottom of the stack or a RAM disk and for layers above bdev they don't care.  its super light wieght21:27
pelusetdasilva, yeah, bluestore and blobstore area  lot alike but bluestore was done of course just for Ceph and I think is more mature/feature rich right now21:27
pelusebut Sage mentioned in his keynote at SNIA SDC about looking at maybe using rocksdb w/blobstore at some point in the future (dont quote me though)21:28
pelusethat would be in addition to bluestore as backing FS though, no isntead of21:28
notmynamepeluse: what questions do you have for us?21:28
tdasilvapeluse: ack, thanks21:29
pelusejsut the one above about pain points wrt latency and or CPU utilization around SSDs21:29
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pelusewell, and if anyone is interested enough to work with someone from the SPDK community to try and see if there's some sort of proof of concept worth messing with here21:30
notmynameonly pain points I've seen recently with the container layer is drive fullness and the contaienr replicator not having all the goodness we've added to the object replicator for when drives fill up21:30
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notmynamerledisez: how about you? any latency or cpu issues on containers or accounts?21:30
rledisezpeluse: from my experience, there is not really a pain point about storage speed on containers. having a lot of containers slo down some process (like replicator) as they need to scan all db. not sure yet if blobstore would help here21:31
pelusewen I say CPU util, there's more in that deck I referenced, using SPDK (nvme + blobstore) greatly reduces CPU utillization while at the same time greatly improving perf21:31
peluseso you get kinda a two fer one thing21:31
peluseso for containers you'll get more CPU utillization for other things happening on the storage node, and the IOs will be faster and more repsonsive21:32
peluse(or your money back)21:32
rledisezhow can you measure that CPU usage related to kernel/fs. i don't think i see any, but i would like to check21:33
rledisezmost of the cpu usage comes from replicator or container-server21:33
peluseThere's a perf blog on that may have some good info in it, honestly I haven't read it :(21:33
pelusebut we have some folks in our comm that live for that kinda stuff so I can ask there and get back to y'all21:33
peluserledisez, yeah unless used for object storage wouldn't help w/replicator21:34
rledisezif you have a magic command to get the cpu usage i would be interested (i guess it would be something related to perf command)21:34
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notmynamehonestly, spdk sounds really cool. it seems like something that would be great for an all-flash future. (but I'm not sure if anyone deloying swift is there yet)21:35
peluserledisez, yeah I dunno the details of the various measurements but the team has looked at every metric known to man using a variety of tools21:35
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notmynamepeluse: do you have people in the spdk community who are interested in swift? if so, are they interested because they just want to integrate spdk everywhere or because they are using swift already?21:36
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peluseWewe is the only person I know that's brought it up and he wasn't able to get connected today due to network issues21:37
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peluseright now there's more demand on features/integration than there is anything else so I don't think the former is driving anyone21:37
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pelusewhich is one of the reasons I wanted to chat w/you guys about this - if it doesn't make a lot of sense to investigate from your perspective we certainly have enough work on our plate :)21:38
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pelusethat's all I got for ya, other questions?21:38
notmynameI think it makes sense when looking a few years into the future and preparing for that. it doesn't make sense from the sense that all of our current employers have a huge amount of stuff we need to do in swift way before we get to needing spdk21:39
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peluseyup yup21:39
notmyname(my opinion)21:39
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pelusewhat is the current split of SSD usage, still mostly containers?21:39
notmynamedefinitely something I want to keep an eye on21:39
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notmynameflash still too expensive for interesting-sized object server deployments21:39
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pelusemakes sense21:40
notmynamepeople these days are going for bigger nodes. 80 10TB in a single chassis21:40
notmyname(and getting all the eww that implies)21:40
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pelusewell, that's not to say nobody on this end will work on a proof of concept anyways and if so I'll encourage them to check in the Swift comm frequently of course...21:40
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rledisezi like the idea, and we can surely share some stuff between LOSF/blobstore but i think that people looking for really low latency object store will check ceph as by its design/implem, it looks more suited21:40
notmynamelet's move on so we can give m_kazuhiro appropriate time :-)21:40
notmynamepeluse: that's great!21:40
pelusethanks for the time guys!!21:41
notmynameand thanks for stopping by to give an update21:41
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pelusemy pleasure... ping me later if anyone has followup questions.  take care!21:41
notmynamerledisez: I can get you in contact with peluse if you can't find him on IRC later21:41
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notmyname#topic symlinks21:41
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mattoliverauYeah thanks peluse, sounds like cool tech :)21:41
notmynamem_kazuhiro: looks like the discussions and code have been going well!21:41
notmynameonly one more big question, and that's for CORS, right?21:42
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m_kazuhironotmyname: Yes. There is only one discussion point for symlink. It's about CORS.21:42
m_kazuhiroDetails is in #4 of the etherpad page.21:42
m_kazuhiroOverview is that...21:42
notmynametimburke and I talked about it as soon as I walked in the office this mornign. he didn't even let me put down my bag! ;-)21:43
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m_kazuhiroWhen symlink and the target in different containers and these container have diffecent CORS settings...21:44
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m_kazuhiroclients will receive error response to GET/HEAD symlink even if the request follows CORS setting of the symlink container.21:45
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m_kazuhiroThe discussion point is that "Do we accept this behavior?" and "If update behavior, how to update?"21:46
notmynametimburke: can you give a summary of what we talked about earlier? (you understand the context better than me)21:46
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timburkem_kazuhiro: so is the error you mention because of ACLs, or because of CORS allowed-origin settings? 401/403 because of container ACL is definitely fine -- and we can currently return such (kinda curious) responses21:48
timburke(ie, 200 on the preflight OPTIONS request, but then a 401/403 on the subsequent GET/POST/whatever)21:49
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timburkethe behavior i'd expect, given two containers both publicly readable, one with a permissive allowed-origin one without21:50
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m_kazuhirotimburke: Because of ALCs. My concerning case is that CORS setting is same with ALCs but clients will receive ACL error even if following CORS settings.21:51
timburkewould be that a symlink from the permissive container into the "normal" one would work -- we'd 200 the OPTIONS request (because of the settings on the container that's actually in the HTTP request path), then allow the subsequent GET (because the ACLs on both containers allow it)21:52
timburkewhile the *other* way wouldn't work because we fast-fail the OPTIONS request and the ACLs have no bearing21:52
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timburkem_kazuhiro: do we know the corresponding behavior for DLO/SLO?21:54
kota_sorry, I did sleep too much21:54
* kota_ just get waken up.21:55
timburkelike, if i have a DLO in one container, which has one set of ACLs and one particular CORS setting, but all of its segments are in another container where everything's different...21:55
m_kazuhirotimburke: I'm not sure for DLO/SLO.21:55
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timburkeit seems like a similar situation could arise -- following whatever precedent that gives us would at least have the advantage of consistency21:57
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mattoliverauSounds like a nice way of answering the question21:58
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m_kazuhirotimburke: So, the conclusion is that we should accept and keep current behavior. correct?21:58
timburkepretty sure. it's worth double checking (and probably having a func test or two that include OPTIONS requests)21:59
notmynameI was just thinking that with questions like this, a functional test for each and the question "which one do we want to get passing" would be a great way to do a discussion22:00
notmyname...and we're out of our time22:00
timburkegenerally, though, it seems like we rarely think about OPTIONS in middleware, so symlinks probably behaves like slo/dlo :-)22:00
notmynamem_kazuhiro: I think you've got enought to go on today, right?22:01
m_kazuhironotmyname: Yes!22:01
notmynamethanks everyone for coming!22:01
notmynamethank you for your work on swift22:01
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