Tuesday, 2017-11-14

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hongbin#startmeeting zun03:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 14 03:01:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.03:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.03:01
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hongbin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-11-14_0300_UTC Today's agenda03:01
hongbinhi kevinz03:02
hongbinit looks it is just you and me today03:02
kevinzHi hongbin03:02
hongbinwe could have a quick update then end the meeting shortly03:02
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kevinzShunli has join03:02
hongbinhi Shunli03:03
Shunlihi all03:03
hongbinfirst, i would like to give an update from my side03:03
hongbinlast week, it is the openstack summit03:03
hongbini gave two talks at the summit, madhuri gave another one03:04
hongbinthe two talks i gave is good, i collected some feedback, and there are several attendees03:04
kevinzI've seen the video:-)03:04
kevinzLooking forward to the feedback03:05
hongbinin general, people are interesting in the NFV use cases03:05
hongbinthere are a few other NFV talks mentioned Zun project as well03:05
kevinzgood news03:05
hongbinin addition, there are some requests for specific features03:05
hongbinsuch as cinder volume multi-attach03:05
hongbinmadhuri gave a talk about clear container integration in zun03:06
hongbinher session is also good, there are a lot of attendees03:06
hongbini mentioned both of you in the talks, hope you like it03:06
hongbinany question about the summit ?03:07
kiennt26o/ hi03:07
hongbinhi kiennt2603:07
hongbinkiennt26: we were doing the openstack summit recap03:08
hongbinkiennt26: you were in the summit as well, have anything to share with the team?03:08
kevinzhongbin: what do we need for supporting NFV now?03:08
hongbinkevinz: there are a few high performance features03:08
hongbinkevinz: for example, numa topology, cpu pinning, big page, etc.03:09
kiennt26hongbin: No, i wasn't there. The guy you had met is my co-worker in Fujitsu.03:09
hongbinkiennt26: oh, i see03:09
kevinzcool, these are all supported on NOVA now03:09
hongbinyes, basically, what they need is everything that is supported in vm, and move them to containers03:10
kevinzcinder multiple-attach is also a good features.03:10
hongbinok, that is all from my side03:11
hongbin#topic Introduce container composition (kevinz)03:11
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hongbinkevinz: ^^03:11
kevinzjust on a call03:13
hongbinkevinz: ok, should we move to the next topic ?03:13
hongbinkevinz: ok, will get back to you03:14
hongbin#topic NFV use cases (lakerzhou, Shunli)03:14
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hongbinShunli: have anything about this topic?03:14
Shunlii didn't spend much time on this bp03:15
Shunlias the basic function has ready.03:15
hongbini see03:15
ShunliI worked on k8s recently as my work need.03:15
hongbinoh, i see03:15
hongbinas the bp is closed to finish, i think we are good03:16
Shunlimaybe can introduce some k8s to zun later.03:16
Shunlik8s/k8s feature03:16
hongbinkevinz owns the k8s integration bp, perhaps you and kevin can work together for that03:16
hongbin(if you interest)03:17
Shunlisure, we look into the k8s connector bp03:17
Shunlisorry, we/will03:17
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kevinzI'm back03:17
hongbin#topic Introduce container composition (kevinz)03:18
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kevinzWarmly welcome Shunli to work on k8s connector:-)03:18
kevinzwe can do it together03:18
Shunlikevinz: :-)03:18
kevinzI'm trying the cinder attach for capsule last week.03:19
kevinzWill give a patch to support it this week about volume attach.03:19
kevinzFor K8s connector. I'm still meditating the python multiple process frame work03:20
hongbinyes, this might be the tough part03:20
kevinzAs this connector will simultaneously handle the request both from zun and k8s03:21
kevinzI will check kuryr-kubernetes for some reference03:21
hongbinsounds good03:21
kevinzThat's all from my side03:22
hongbinthanks kevinz03:22
kevinzhongbin: yw03:22
hongbinkiennt26: hi kien, do you have anything to discuss with the team ?03:22
hongbinkiennt26: btw, great work for the shared network implementation!03:23
kiennt26hongbin: i have one problem with Introduce Compute filter patch03:23
hongbinkiennt26: go ahead03:23
hongbinwhat is the problem?03:23
kiennt26#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/518685/03:24
kiennt26the broker was blocked due to memory limit03:24
kiennt26so that all tempest tests failed03:24
kiennt26#link http://logs.openstack.org/85/518685/2/check/zun-tempest-docker-sql/e6d649b/logs/screen-zun-api.txt.gz#_Nov_13_04_32_58_16342603:25
hongbini see, that is from the zun-api side03:25
hongbinkiennt26: i would need some time to look into the details, we can continue it after the meeting03:26
kiennt26hongbin: ok, thanks03:26
hongbinall, anything else to discuss ?03:27
kevinzNothing from me03:27
hongbinok, all, thanks for joining the meeting, see you next time03:27
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samNTThi all04:00
Dinesh_BhorsamNTT: Hi04:01
samNTT#startmeeting masakari04:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 14 04:01:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is samNTT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.04:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.04:01
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samNTTHi all.04:01
Dinesh_BhorHi all04:01
sagaraabhishekk: hi04:01
samNTTLet's start04:01
abhishekkhi sagara san!04:01
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samNTTSorry, I cound't update the agenda on wiki04:02
samNTT#topic Bugs04:02
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samNTTany bugs to discuss?04:02
rkmrHonjoPlease wait...04:02
samNTTrkmrHonjo: np04:02
rkmrHonjo#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516517/04:03
rkmrHonjopy27 UTs are failed now. This patch resolves it.04:03
rkmrHonjoAnd, we can't merge any patches until merging this patch.04:03
samNTTrkmrHonjo: sure, we discussed this in Sydney04:04
samNTTyour change LGTM04:04
Dinesh_BhorrkmrHonjo: Thanks!! This approach looks good to me.04:04
rkmrHonjoDinesh_Bhor: thank you for reviewing.04:05
abhishekkjust one nit in commit message, requirement.txt should be requirements.txt04:05
samNTTabhishekk: thanks04:05
rkmrHonjoabhishekk: oh, sorry. I fix it after that.04:05
samNTTsagara: could you please review this?04:05
Dinesh_BhorrkmrHonjo: samNTT: There are PY35 failures as well. But as we have py35 checks non-vatting there is no problem. I will create a patch to fix those.04:06
abhishekksamNTT, rkmrHonjo: no problem04:06
sagaraOK, I will review that04:06
samNTTDinesh_Bhor: thanks.04:06
Dinesh_BhorAfter we merge rkmrHonjo's patch I think we are good to go with this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516506/04:07
Dinesh_BhorJust need a recheck.04:07
samNTTrkmrHonjo: I put my +2 on this. if it is possible please address abhishekk's above comment on commit msg. I will put +2 to new patch also.04:07
abhishekksorry to interrupt, do we need both project and project_id keys?04:08
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samNTTrkmrHonjo: thanks04:08
rkmrHonjoabhihsekk: project key was added by this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507444/ . But, the reason was not written in commit message.04:10
abhishekkrkmrHonjo: thank you04:11
samNTTsagara: thanks for review.04:11
samNTTreview done. This patch will merge soon.04:12
samNTTAny other bugs to discuss?04:12
rkmrHonjosamNTT, sagara: Thanks a lot!04:12
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rkmrHonjoI think that Dinesh_Bhor's suggestion is good.04:13
rkmrHonjo> After we merge rkmrHonjo's patch I think we are good to go with this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516506/04:13
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samNTTIf any bugs need to discuss, please bring them in AOB at the end of the meeting.04:14
samNTTrkmrHonjo: I hv just rechecked it..let's see04:14
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samNTT#topic Discussion points04:15
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samNTTSince most of us in summit last week, I think most of the items do not have any progress04:15
samNTTSo, I gonna skip item to items discussion today...04:16
samNTTPlease bring up any items you would like to discuss.04:16
abhishekkNeed to merge documentation patches as early as possible04:16
samNTTabhishekk: agree, and really sorry for the delay, I will do that04:17
abhishekksamNTT: no problem04:17
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samNTTOther items need to review also, try my best to finish them in this week04:18
rkmrHonjosamNTT: np04:18
samNTTif not let go to AOB04:19
samNTT#topic AOB04:20
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samNTTI did a masakari project onboarding session at Sydney summit.04:20
samNTThere is the link to slides04:20
samNTT#link https://www.slideshare.net/SampathPriyankara1/masakari-project-onboarding04:20
rkmrHonjosamNTT: thank you for sharing!04:20
samNTTwe also have to support ansible for deploy masakari04:21
samNTTI think Dinesh_Bhor had this request from some one. I also got this request from ML and IRC04:22
Dinesh_BhorYes, Some operators want ansible way for deploying masakari04:23
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samNTTCurrently I have some playbooks, which I use to test deploy masakari04:23
samNTTHowever, still there are some manual work, I need to automate them04:23
samNTTI will share those as it is in my github04:24
Dinesh_BhorsamNTT: yes, please, thank you.04:24
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samNTTIn the mean time we need to check about how other projects support ansible04:25
samNTTI think we need to provide a plugin to openstack-ansible04:25
Dinesh_BhorsamNTT: Okay, I will check this part04:27
samNTTNot sure I could do it in this week, but I will add this as an action item to our weekly meeting agenda04:27
samNTTDinesh_Bhor: thanks.04:27
samNTTLet's take a quick survey on this and discuss this in next week meeting04:28
samNTTAny other topics to discuss?04:28
samNTTOtherwise, we could finish today's meeting early04:28
Dinesh_BhorNothing from my side.04:29
abhishekknothing from my side04:29
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abhishekkThank you all!04:29
samNTTOk then, have nice week ahead, thank you all04:29
sagaraThank you, bye04:30
Dinesh_Bhorthank you all04:30
samNTTIf you need to discuss anything, please use openstac-dev ML with [masakari] or please visit #openstack-masakari @freenode04:30
samNTTthnks you all04:30
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ruijie_#startmeeting senlin13:01
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ruijie_hi all, this is the agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda#Agenda_.282017-11-14_1300_UTC.2913:02
ruijie_hi Qiming13:02
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ruijie_ok, let's get started :)13:05
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ruijie_do we have any summit experience sharing´╝č13:06
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ruijie_I drafted a etherpad page about the questions we met this week13:08
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ruijie_1. about the health policy13:08
ruijie_the polling mode should work well13:08
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ruijie_just need to improve to use user defined recovery action13:09
ruijie_but for the listening mode, we are not able to stop the listener after health policy detached13:09
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Qiminglistener cannot be stopped?13:11
ruijie_seems like the creation and starting of listener is asynchronous13:11
ruijie_no Qiming13:12
Qimingalright, have to check oslo.messaging for the correct sequence on doing that13:12
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Qimingyes, that is where we added a thread13:14
ruijie_the return value is the thread itself, but the thread will be released after start the listener13:14
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Qimingthread is released?13:18
chenyb4_yes, I've tested it multiple times.13:19
Qimingthen check the oslo_service.threadgroup for correct usage?13:21
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chenyb4_https://github.com/openstack/oslo.service/blob/master/oslo_service/threadgroup.py#L101 in this, will be appear remove error13:22
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chenyb4_use code pdb, self.threads get {}13:24
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chenyb4_scheduler call self.threads.append-->listener call self.threads.append-->scheduler call self.threads.remove13:27
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Qimingokay, can we try just call listener.stop() here: senlin/tests/unit/engine/actions/test_action_base.py13:27
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Qimingor we call listener.stop() first13:28
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Qiminglistener.stop() may invoke the link established by thread group13:28
Qimingthen thread_done() will be invoked automatically13:29
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ruijie_actually the thread already been released after invoke listener.start()13:35
ruijie_as I concerned, the logic of 'lister.start()' == threadpool.add(task)13:36
Qimingno it cannot be released13:37
Qimingread the logic13:37
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Qimingonly a thread link was added13:38
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XueFenghi, Qiming ,ruijie_13:43
QimingI was talking about oslo.service side13:44
Qimingnot oslo.messaging side13:44
Qimingthe event listening logic was learnt from ceilometer13:44
QimingI cannot recall whether seting executor to 'eventlet' rather than 'threading' would help13:45
Qimingyou may want to give it a try though13:45
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ruijie_sure, will dig this problem13:50
ruijie_hi XueFeng13:50
ruijie_the second one is about how to use user defined action to recover the physical resources13:51
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ruijie_as we discussed, we can let the health policy support node_recover action so that decision will be made when checking health poliy13:52
ruijie_or we can set the recovery action to HealthRegistry directlly13:52
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XueFenghi, ruijie_.you are discussing a health policy bug?13:54
ruijie_yes XueFeng13:54
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XueFengWhich problem? any bug report?13:55
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ruijie_no bug reported yet13:55
ruijie_the problem now is that: 1. recovery action will recreate the resource by default, 2. we are not able to close/stop the listener after policy detached13:56
Qimingthere is no conflict ruijie13:57
Qimingwe should persist the action into db13:57
Qimingthen retrieve it, send it as part of the recover action13:58
Qiminghave to leave to join a call13:58
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ruijie_Gentlemen, time's run out13:59
ruijie_we can discuss it in #senlin13:59
ruijie_#stopmeeting senlin13:59
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davidshaIts end meeting14:00
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davidsha#startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier14:00
ruijie_sorry davidsha :(14:00
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davidsharuijie_: No problem I've made the mistake myself!14:00
davidshaHi everyone!14:01
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igordchi davidsha14:01
bcafarelhi guys14:01
igordchi bcafarel14:01
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davidshawe'll wait 2 mins for people to join, then start14:01
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igordchi tmorin14:04
davidshaHey :)14:04
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tmorinhi igor !14:04
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davidshaLets start then14:04
davidsha#topic CCF v0 - Update14:04
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davidshaSo I need to update: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499571/14:04
tmorindavidsha: yes, I think some improvements are needed14:05
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davidshaI'll try to draft another patch for functional tests14:05
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tmorindavidsha: do you think you could finish the functional job checking DB vs. models consistency *before* we merge the models ?14:06
davidshatmorin: thats my plan, but I'll also need to enable functional testing in governance/infra14:07
davidshaI'll try to start into that next week.14:08
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davidshaI'll also try to respond to the comments on the patch soon too :)14:09
davidshaI've read them, I just need to reply14:09
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* bcafarel still has to finish reading them :/14:10
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davidshaAre there any questions or anything anyone wants to bring up in regards to V0?14:11
igordcall good here14:11
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tmorindavidsha: there is something I didn't look closely at yet:14:12
tmorindavidsha: which is how the OVO objects code is unit-tested14:12
tmorindavidsha: I haven't checked how much the unit test proposed in the change covers14:12
davidshatmorin: the only unit test for versioned objects is the hash to version check.14:13
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davidshaI haven't seen other types of unit tests for versioned objects in neutron.14:13
tmorindavidsha: I have to look at this in another context, which might give me ideas (or not)14:13
tmorindavidsha: I'll do suggestions if I have any...14:14
davidshatmorin: Cool, thanks!14:14
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davidshaI was talking to Ihar and he mentioned we should move the models to be more similar to QoS14:15
igordcdavidsha: in what way?14:15
davidshaigordc: basically mapping classifications -> class groups like qos maps rules -> policies14:16
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davidshawe have a bit of a disconnect between out API and our DB models at the moment.14:17
davidshanot in this patch but in this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487182/14:17
davidshabasically we don't pipe it straight into an OVO, we have to extract the definition and mess with the API model to make it fit into the OvO14:18
davidshaIt kind of messes with the point of OVO14:19
igordcdavidsha: it difficults the grouping and boolean flexibility we have at the moment... but if it's worth it for the sake of getting the OVOs right then fine14:20
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davidshaigordc: Well we'll need to see as we review it, we might figure something out that makes it work.14:21
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igordcdavidsha: sure.. I'd recommend looking at some of the conversations that were held in the spec with me, ihar, tmorin and others14:21
davidshaigordc: kk14:22
davidshaWill we move to open discussion?14:23
bcafarelnothing to add on v0 here14:23
igordcI'm not writing anything else atm :)14:23
davidshakk lets move on14:24
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davidsha#topic open disscusion14:24
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davidshaAny topics anyone would like to bring up?14:25
bcafarelI guess you Irish folks will make it to the PTG?14:26
igordcbcafarel: I probably won't... but I'm also not irish :p..14:26
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bcafarels/Irish/working near Dublin/ then? :)14:27
davidshaI'm hoping to make it up, we're on the other side of the country though :)14:27
davidshaSomething else actually, I'm being moved off of OpenStack.14:28
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davidshaI'm going to try to stick around for reviews beyond the work I'm doing at the moment, but I'm not sure how much time I'll have.14:30
tmorinbcafarel: if French Britany qualifies as "near Dublin", then count me !14:31
tmorindavidsha: yes, we heard about that... :-/14:31
igordcsame with me, I've essentially moved off of OpenStack entirely already14:31
bcafarelsean-k-mooney mentioned it yes :/14:31
igordcthe closest to it I'm doing now is in OSM (open source mano)14:31
davidshaKk, Just said I'd make a formal announcement!14:32
bcafareldavidsha: well same as when igordc stepped down a bit "thanks for the ccf work!"14:34
davidshabcafarel: Thanks14:35
davidshaWe can warp up now and get 25 mins back if no one has anything else?14:36
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bcafarelsounds good to me (and hoping the ccf manages to keep some steam without you guys)14:36
tmorinI echo that: thanks guys ! I hope/wish you'll have time to finish some pieces!14:36
davidshaCool, have a good day folks!14:38
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igordcbye all14:38
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ihrachys#startmeeting neutron_ci16:00
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ihrachyshi all16:00
ihrachyswe skipped the last time because of summit but now we are hopefully back to business16:00
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ihrachysgiving people some time to join16:01
jlibosvasorry for joining late16:01
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ihrachysok let's get it started16:03
ihrachys#topic Actions from prev meeting16:03
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ihrachyswe had a single one16:03
ihrachys"ihrachys to follow up with Chandan about tempest split again"16:03
ihrachysI guess I can update on that here16:03
ihrachysso we prepared the new repo after cookie cutting it: v16:03
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ihrachysalso added -nv jobs in neutron repo: https://review.openstack.org/51693416:04
ihrachysthere is a follow up on the patch adding jobs here: https://review.openstack.org/519649 removing -api job from gate pipeline (it's just cosmetic, the job is not triggered by zuul)16:04
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ihrachysalso, Chandan has a patch inheriting those new jobs in the new repo: https://review.openstack.org/51964616:05
ihrachysonce it's all done, next steps are syncing latest test code from neutron repo to the new one: https://review.openstack.org/519310 (still WIP)16:06
mlavalleNice progress!16:06
ihrachysthen we'll enable voting for new jobs, remove legacy jobs, and finally clean up neutron tree from tempest code16:06
ihrachysI want to block all patches for tempest code after we land the sync patch16:07
ihrachysbasically go through all patches touching neutron/tests/tempest/... and -2 them until the code is spun into the new repo16:07
ihrachysI *think* we haven't missed anything in the list of tasks, but if you see a gap, feel free to tell16:08
ihrachysmaybe we'll need to update our docs somewhere to reflect the new location of tests16:08
mlavallewill do16:08
mlavalleThat is a good idea16:08
slaweqso new "workflow" will be to add tempest tests after patch to neutron is merged, right?16:08
slaweqor will be any way to do it "in parallel"?16:09
ihrachysslaweq, kinda. you can post a patch with depends-on16:09
slaweqahh, ok16:09
ihrachysand reviewers can enforce the patch present16:09
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ihrachysalso note that the new repo is meant for pike only16:09
ihrachysso if you let's say want to get it in an earlier release, you gotta backport it to neutron repo16:10
slaweqok, good to know, thx16:10
ihrachysin the future, new releases will all be covered by the new repo16:10
ihrachysbut we start with current master only16:10
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mlavallemakes sense16:11
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ihrachys#topic Grafana16:11
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ihrachysnothing of special interest there it seems16:12
ihrachysryu periodic has failed twice though16:12
ihrachyswhich is weird, I can't see any failures in http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/legacy-periodic-tempest-dsvm-neutron-with-ryu-master/16:14
ihrachysI guess some fluke in data16:15
ihrachys#topic Fullstack16:16
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ihrachysso this landed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517598/16:16
ihrachyswhich should hopefully make trunk test fixed16:16
mlavallethanks slaweq :-)16:17
slaweqI hope it helps16:17
ihrachys(taking random failure) http://logs.openstack.org/13/518113/1/check/legacy-neutron-dsvm-fullstack/08c6be8/logs/testr_results.html.gz16:17
ihrachysit seems to pass16:17
ihrachysthough there are still failures there16:17
slaweqgood to hear that it passes16:18
ihrachysit seems that those connectivity/sg failures are now the new constant. here is another log with the same: http://logs.openstack.org/51/396351/43/check/legacy-neutron-dsvm-fullstack/6f49eec/logs/testr_results.html.gz16:18
ihrachysin the latter log, see how test_north_south_traffic failed16:19
ihrachysit failed waiting for port active16:19
ihrachysand here is what I see in dhcp agent: http://logs.openstack.org/51/396351/43/check/legacy-neutron-dsvm-fullstack/6f49eec/logs/dsvm-fullstack-logs/TestLegacyL3Agent.test_north_south_traffic/neutron-dhcp-agent--2017-11-14--10-37-54-629926.txt.gz?level=TRACE#_2017-11-14_10_38_37_37016:20
ihrachysRuntimeError: Second simultaneous read on fileno 9 detected16:20
ihrachysafair it's eventlet issue16:20
ihrachyslike when something is not monkey patched16:20
ihrachysand it happens when calling to rootwrap16:20
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ihrachysalso, this error does seem like a logic bug in neutron: http://logs.openstack.org/51/396351/43/check/legacy-neutron-dsvm-fullstack/6f49eec/logs/dsvm-fullstack-logs/TestLegacyL3Agent.test_north_south_traffic/neutron-dhcp-agent--2017-11-14--10-37-54-629926.txt.gz?level=TRACE#_2017-11-14_10_39_57_40116:21
ihrachysseems like we pass mac address of None there into netaddr16:21
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jlibosvathe first one should be fixed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514547/, is that right?16:22
ihrachysI believe for the eventlet issue, the following patch may help: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514547/16:22
ihrachysjlibosva, yeah :)16:22
ihrachysand afaiu it also helps the issue with obsolete data left in buffer when we raise Timeout16:23
ihrachystoshii explained there why it's so16:23
ihrachysif we don't unset need_restart flag, it means we raised an error, so we force restart which makes it clean up the socket16:24
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jlibosvawe should get some oslo cores, that's what I think :)16:25
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ihrachys#action ihrachys to pull oslo folks into reviewing rootwrap patch16:26
ihrachysas for mac address being None, I think we still should fix it.16:27
ihrachyseven though maybe it wouldn't show up without eventlet issue16:27
mlavallethe L3 subteam can take a look16:27
ihrachysmlavalle, ok cool16:28
mlavalleI can bring it up on Thursday16:28
ihrachys#action mlavalle to track down "TypeError: None is not str() or unicode()!" error in dhcp agent fullstack tests16:28
jlibosvaisn't the second only a consequence? it failed to create a namespace so then later it didn't add a device16:28
ihrachysmlavalle, I put you personally on the hook ;)16:28
mlavallethat's ok16:28
ihrachysjlibosva, probably, but passing bad data into a lib is bad taste16:29
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mlavalleyeah, it usually is :-)16:29
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ihrachysok, I think it's enough for fullstack. as usual, we will revisit next time when we make progress on rootwrap.16:30
ihrachys#topic Scenarios16:30
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ihrachysI take a random recent failure16:31
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ihrachystimeout in test_east_west16:31
ihrachysafair there was a bug for that16:31
mlavallemaybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/171730216:32
openstackLaunchpad bug 1717302 in neutron "Tempest floatingip scenario tests failing on DVR Multinode setup with HA" [High,Confirmed]16:32
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ihrachyslogs service just dumped on me. is it working for everyone?16:33
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slaweqnot for me :/16:34
ihrachysyeah just hanging here16:34
ihrachysmlavalle, hard to say since I don't have logs. :)16:34
mlavallenot responding to me either16:34
ihrachysmlavalle, but speaking of that, do we have progress on the bug?16:34
slaweqit works again16:34
mlavalleI don't know, Swami was working on that one and he was in Sydney last week16:35
mlavalleI will get update in the L3 meeting on Thursday16:35
ihrachysok. I also saw some weird security groups failure that seemed api layer related once but now I don't have it16:35
ihrachyscould be it was fixed or smth16:35
ihrachysit was smth like api layer spilling an error on request validation16:35
ihrachysslaweq, not for me16:36
ihrachysok there is little we can do without log server here. I will report the SG api bug if I see it again.16:37
ihrachysthere was also this bug that affected the job: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/171971116:38
openstackLaunchpad bug 1719711 in neutron "iptables failed to apply when binding a port with AGENT.debug_iptables_rules enabled" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)16:38
mlavalleyeah, logs don't work yet for me either16:38
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ihrachyshaleyb, was there any progress on that one?16:39
haleybno fix for ^^ yet btw16:39
ihrachysdo we have an idea what happens there?16:40
haleybnot yet, don't know how they got out of sync16:41
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ihrachysok. if you feel like you won't have time for it in next weeks, feel free to unassign so that we can find someone to pick it16:42
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ihrachysbtw seems like log server is actually working but very slow16:43
ihrachys#topic zuulv3 job migration16:43
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ihrachysmlavalle, your floor16:43
mlavalleI got https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516715/ reviewed by yamamoto16:44
mlavalleI will need to rebase, now that the tempest patch merged16:44
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mlavalleonce I do that, I will need another +216:44
mlavalleand I will complete the entire process with the two related patchsets16:45
mlavalleand https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516744/16:45
mlavalleonce I complete this, I will migrate the other jobs16:46
mlavallethat's all I have for today16:46
ihrachysmlavalle, ok. how does it fit the narrative of moving the code of tempest into the new repo?16:46
ihrachysseems like we already have a job for api no?16:46
ihrachysthat uses the new repo16:46
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mlavalleI hadn't thought of that16:46
ihrachysso when we switch to it as voting, we won't need the legacy flavor16:47
mlavallethen we remove the legacy one I guess16:47
ihrachysso it could be that moving it around is not very useful if we get rid of it in next weeks16:47
ihrachyswe could as well remove it from project-config right away16:47
ihrachysthat being said... the new jobs are for master only16:48
ihrachyswe still need legacy jobs for stable16:48
ihrachyshow does it work in terms of branches?16:48
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ihrachysdo we keep both jobs in master? backport jobs to stable?16:48
mlavalledon't know, need to think about it16:48
ihrachysyeah. ok that's cool with me. in general, maybe fullstack or functional would be better candidates to start since we don't reshuffle them right now16:49
mlavallegood suggestion16:50
ihrachys#topic Open discussion16:51
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ihrachysif you have a topic, bring it on16:51
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ihrachysalso, patches to peek at are welcome16:52
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jlibosvathere is still this patch lacking attention https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514660/16:52
jlibosvado we want it?16:52
ihrachysoh right. I think it makes sense to have it.16:53
ihrachyszuul is nuts there16:53
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ihrachysprolly to recheck16:53
mlavalleyeah, I was about to say16:54
ihrachysmlavalle, maybe you can have a look at it, it's small ^16:54
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mlavalleyeap, will review today16:54
ihrachysI will be happy if we don't every use it in tree, it would still be helpful to have it.16:54
mlavalleLOL, we both rechecked it16:55
ihrachysok. I also gonna advertise a new scenario for availability zones: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509156/16:55
ihrachysmlavalle, thankfully zuul is smart enough not to run it twice16:56
ihrachysanything else?16:56
ihrachysor you have your full 3 minutes of free time!16:56
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Nov 14 16:56:33 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:56
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jlibosvathanks :) bye16:56
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ihrachysenjoy infinity16:56
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clarkbby my UTC clock it is now infra meeting time18:59
clarkbanyone else around to make it a meeting?18:59
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clarkb#startmeeting infra19:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 14 19:00:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'infra'19:00
clarkb#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:00
clarkbwe do have a few items on the agenda so lets go ahead and get started19:01
clarkbmordred: I think I've seen you on IRC today as well so ping :)19:01
clarkb#topic Announcements19:01
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clarkbI don't really have anything other than Summit happened and people are likely jet lagged or still traveling or sight seeing still19:02
clarkbso we may be on the slow end of things for a bit19:02
clarkb#topic Actions from last meeting19:02
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clarkb#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-10-31-19.01.txt Minutes from last meeting19:02
clarkb#action fungi Document secrets backup policy19:02
clarkbI don't think I've seen a change for ^ yet so will keep that on there19:03
clarkb#topic Specs approval19:03
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clarkbOur current spec list seems to be mostly work in progress19:03
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clarkbif I've missed something important let me know, but I don't think we need to spend time on this today19:03
clarkb#topic Priority Efforts19:03
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clarkb#topic Zuul v319:04
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clarkbThis morning we had problems with release jobs inheriting from final jobs and not failing until tags were made19:04
pabelangeroh, I missed that19:05
clarkb#info release note job is final but projects have inherited from it to add require projects. This error was not discovered until tags were made and those release note jobs were actually run19:05
clarkbI expect that addressing this properly will require modifications to how zuul processes proposed config changes so doubt we'll be able to design a fix here :)19:05
clarkbbut somethign to be aware of when reviewing jobs, make sure we aren't modifying things that are marked final19:06
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pabelangerwe also somehow landed a zuul.yaml file that broken zuulv3: https://review.openstack.org/519442/ this reported a syntax error only after being merged, and we had to revert19:06
clarkb#info when reviewing jobs be careful to not allow inheritance of final jobs19:06
AJaegersorry, missed the start ;(19:06
clarkbpabelanger: it is possible that the error checking for both cases is related and similarly broken19:07
AJaegerclarkb: we also have to review current state - check which repos in project-config and templates in openstack-zuul-jobs are wrong19:07
clarkbAJaeger: good point19:07
clarkbthere may be other cases of inherited and modified final jobs19:07
clarkbI'll make a note to add my understanding of the problem to the zuul issues etherpad (I haven't yet)19:08
pabelangerclarkb: maybe, I'm going to make note and get help from jeblair when he returns to debug19:08
clarkbpabelanger: ya lets write it down on the issues etherpad and then remember to bring it up with jeblair when he returns19:08
clarkbok, any other zuulv3 related items we want to talk about or make sure others are aware of?19:08
ianwsorry, just to summarise, a job marked job.final was able to be inherited from incorrectly?19:09
AJaegerianw: it failed when executed19:10
clarkbianw: correct we were able to merge at least one change to trove-dashboard that inherited from a job marked final19:10
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clarkbianw: then didn't have any errors until we tried to run the job when a tag was made for releasing that project19:10
ianwahh, ok, so it merges but not runs.  ok, something to keep an eye out for.  thanks19:10
clarkbyup it does error properly in the end so that bit works, it would just be ideal to error pre merge and haev people fix it before trying to make a release19:11
AJaegerclarkb: trove and neutron-fwaas-dashboard - trove-dashboard was something else19:11
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clarkb#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124535.html19:11
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AJaeger#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124480.html19:12
AJaegerthose two are the failures ^19:12
clarkbAJaeger: thanks19:12
clarkb#topic General topics19:13
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clarkb#topic rax-ord instance clean up19:13
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clarkbpabelanger: re ^ did you get the info you needed? I think I saw cleanup was happening?19:13
clarkbpabelanger: anything else to discuss on this one?19:13
AJaegerclarkb: I was wrong and you're right: trove-dashboard it was, trove was a different failure ;(19:14
pabelangerclarkb: oh, that was last week?19:14
pabelangeryah, i did delete fg-test19:14
pabelangerI think ianw and I are ready to delete pypi.slave19:14
clarkb#info fg-test was deleted and we are ready to delete pypi.slave.openstack.org19:15
clarkbsounds good, and thanks for working on cleanup19:15
clarkb#topic New backup server19:15
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clarkbianw: my plan today is to restore zuul config(s) after lunch to confirm the new server is working as expected19:16
ianwok, if i get external confirmation on that, i think we can do https://review.openstack.org/51615919:16
ianw#link https://review.openstack.org/51615919:16
ianwmaybe give me an action item to report next week that all backups are happening correctly on the new server19:16
ianwthat way, i/we won't forget to check things are working19:16
clarkb#action ianw to confirm backups are working properly next week (after we migrate to new backup server)19:17
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pabelangerianw: +219:17
clarkbother than second set of eyes checking backups and reviews on 516159, anything else you need on this?19:17
clarkb#topic Puppetmaster health19:18
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ianwyeah, so when i found that zombie host that had been up for ~400 days running jobs ...19:18
ianwi also found puppetmaster dead.  since the credentials to reboot puppetmaster were on puppetmaster ...19:18
* jlvillal remembers ianw finding that zombie host and wonders if there are more...19:18
ianwthe rax guy told me it was oom messages on the console19:19
ianwjlvillal: i did an audit, and didn't find any (that's how i noticed the other pypi.slave node etc)19:19
jlvillalianw: cool and thanks19:19
ianw2gb is small for this i think, i know we've discussed it ... is it on anyone's plate to migrate?19:19
pabelangerI think we discussed about maybe moving off infracloud first to new puppetmaster, see what we learn, then move everything else19:19
clarkbmaybe call it something other than puppetmaster too?19:20
clarkbas that no longer accurately reflects its duties19:20
pabelangeror just go all in on zuulv3 post playbooks :D19:20
* bswartz recommends "zombiemaster"19:20
clarkbbswartz: necromancer?19:20
jlvillaldespot? Pharaoh? tyrant?19:21
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ianwok, so step 1 is split off infracloud control to this new thing?19:21
jlvillaloverlord? enforcer!19:21
clarkbianw: I think it would probably be a good idea to come up with a rough plan for any migration (spec I guess) just because the instance is fairly important. But ya splitting off infracloud control sounds like a good place to start to me19:21
ianwalright then, let me investigate and write a spec for this then, with that as a starting point19:22
clarkb(also let me know if we think a spec is too heavy weight, maybe just an email thread to the list. Mostly I want to make sure its fairly well communicated)19:22
clarkbianw: thanks!19:22
ianwi think spec is fine.  clearly a lot of opinion on names :)19:22
clarkb#topic bindep & external repositories19:23
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ianwwe can skip to this last if others are more important19:23
clarkbI want to say that the 5 second reading of meeting topic notes makes me want this feature in bindep...19:23
clarkbianw: ok lets come back to it then19:23
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #topic bindep & external repositories19:23
clarkb#topic Jobs requiring IPv619:23
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clarkbbswartz: you are up19:23
bswartzThis might be better handled as a question in the channel, but I knew you were meeting today so I figured I'd try here first.19:24
bswartzIf a test job requires an IPv6 address on the test node for ${reasons} is there a way to guarantee that?19:24
bswartzMy (limited) observation is that some test nodes are IPv4-only and some are mixed. IDK if IPv6-only nodes exist or not.19:24
clarkbbswartz: do you need external ipv6 connectivity or just between the test nodes?19:24
bswartzjust the existence of a non-link-local IPv6 address on the host would be sufficient for our use case19:25
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bswartzwe're doing to install nfs-kernel-server on the test node and connect to it from nova VMs over IPv619:25
clarkband yes, we currently have clouds that do not provide ipv6 addrs to interfaces by default19:25
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bswartzis there a way to setup jobs to only run on nodes with IPv6?19:26
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clarkbbswartz: no, even in our ipv6 only cloud we had ipv4 for reasons19:26
bswartzand if not, can I request it?19:26
clarkbI don't expect that would go away any time soon. (also we don't have any ipv6 only clouds left)19:26
ianwso multi-node testing, one node running nfs server & the other connecting to it?19:26
bswartzhaving ipv4 also is no problem19:26
frickleriirc devstack does setup a public v6 network and it should be possible to give the host an address too, if it doesn't already, would that be enough?19:26
clarkbinstead I think you can just modify local networking to have ipv619:26
bswartzjust having no ipv6 at all causes problems19:26
clarkbfrickler: ya it does for testing ipv6 iirc19:27
clarkbfrickler: bswartz so that is how I would appraoch this here. If you need ipv6 set it up locally and it should work fine. Even for multinode you should be able to ipv6 over the inter node overlay just fine19:27
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bswartzokay I may follow up with more questions about that approach later19:28
bswartzbut it sounds like the answer to my first question is no19:28
ianwyeah, it sounds a bit like a devstack setup problem19:28
bswartzit's not possible to schedule zuul jobs to nodes with or without ipv619:28
clarkbbswartz: ya I wouldn't expect something like that at least not in the near future since it is largely to do with clouds and they can and do change over time as well19:28
bswartzokay thank you19:28
bswartzthat's all I wanted to know19:29
clarkbbswartz: I would start by looking at how devstack + tempest do ipv6 testing. They arleady do it today where you connect via v6 between instances and stuff19:29
bswartzyes I know that setting up IPv6 within neutron is quite easy19:29
ianwbswartz: i don't know all that much about the guts of ipv6 in neutron in devstack, but happy to help out and learn things along the way, just ping me19:30
bswartzwe need it to be on the dsvm too, because manila installs services there that are "outside the cloud" from neutron's perspective19:30
clarkbbswartz: yup all you need is an address in the same range and local attached routing rules should just work for that19:30
clarkbbswartz: that is how we do floating IP routing on multinode tests with an overlay network19:30
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clarkbthe host VM gets addrs in the first /24 of a /23 and the floating IPs are assigned from the second /2419:31
pabelangermaybe we should setup ipv6 by default on overlay in multinode?19:31
bswartzI believe we can attempt to leverage the "public" ipv6 network that neutron places on the external bridge19:31
clarkbI imagine you could do something similar with ipv6 address assignment19:31
clarkbpabelanger: maybe, though I think this is an issue on signle node as well so probably start there19:31
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clarkbbswartz: definitely come back and ask questions if you find unexpected things trying ^19:32
bswartzI'm sure I will19:32
clarkbbswartz: anything else we can help with or is this a good start?19:33
bswartzthat's all for now19:33
clarkb#topic Zanata upgrade19:33
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clarkbAt this point this is mostly informational, but at the summit aeng reached out and was asking about upgrading our zanata servers19:33
clarkbit sounds like the translators would like to have a new version in place for string freeze which means getting upgraded by early/mid January if I remember the release calendar properly19:34
clarkbmy understanding is this new version of zanata doesn't require newer java so this upgrade should be much simpler than the last one. Will just be a config update then the actual zanata update19:35
clarkbalso wildfly doesn't need an upgrade19:35
clarkbI have asked them to push changes to translate-dev's puppet config to do the upgrade (config and zanata) and then we can test there and work out problems in order to get a production upgrade planned19:35
clarkbso be on the lookout for those changes.19:35
clarkb#topic bindep & external repositories19:36
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ianwoh, so back to that ...19:36
clarkbwe have time to bikeshed bindep config grammar :)19:36
ianwjust wanted to see what people thought about this before i wrote anything19:36
ianwi'm wondering if bindep should get involved in this ... or just have a rule that it deals with the packages it can see from the package manager, and that's it19:37
clarkb`iberasurecode-devel [platform:centos enable_repo:epel] -> yum install --enablerepo=epel liberasurecode-devel` is the example19:37
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ianwright, any sort of package in bindep.txt that isn't in the base repos ... how do you know where it comes from19:37
clarkbzypper install has a --from flag which I think would be the equivalent there19:38
clarkbdoes apt/apt-get/aptitude know how to enable things for a single install?19:38
pabelangeryah, this has been asked for in the past19:38
ianwi guess apt has "-t"19:39
ianwalthough not sure if that's for disabled repos19:39
pabelangerI think with apt you setup pins for packages19:39
pabelangerif you want to only pull something from a specific repo19:39
clarkbpabelanger: ya its priority based and much more painful/complicated iirc19:39
pabelangerI'm leaning towards not adding that into bindep, and maybe seeing how to work around it19:40
ianwwe can just put in a role to enable repos before running bindep19:40
pabelangeryah, I think we've been suggesting that for now19:41
pabelangerbut I do like --enablerepo foo with yum19:41
pabelangerif only we could figure out an easy win for apt19:41
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ianwit could be a sort of distro-specific flag19:42
pabelangerI'll look into dpkg_options and see what there is19:42
ianwi guess, when i think this through, you're still going to have to have like the epel-release package pre-installed before bindep anyway19:43
ianwyou can't really specify that *in* bindep19:43
clarkbianw: ya I think end of day maybe making it distro specific is fine19:44
ianwat which point, you've already had to manually setup the repos19:44
pabelangeryah, in our case, repo files already exists but just disabled19:44
* mordred played with adding repo indications to bindep a couple of months ago - gave up because it got super complex19:45
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ianwright, but at that point you've had to work outside bindep anyway to get the repo setup19:45
ianwso you might as well enable/disable around the bindep call19:45
ianwmordred: good to see we're reaching the same conclusion :)19:45
mordredthe thing I wanted to do was just add a list of repos that needed to be added - have them be permanent vs temporary adds didn't occur to me19:46
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ianwthat kind of gets complex because on redhat for epel and openstack-* packages you'd just install the -release packages which dumps the repo files19:47
ianwwhere as on deb you'd write in apt sources i guess to things like libvirt repos19:47
pabelangerso, I am in favor of removing some of the packages from bindep-fallback.txt: https://review.openstack.org/519533/19:47
pabelangermaybe we should just give a heads up to ML and help projects that might be affected setup bindep.txt files19:48
* mordred is in favor of removing bindep fallback ...19:48
pabelangeror that19:48
ianwright, this was just about what do we tell people to do when they need the package and it's in the different repo19:48
pabelangerianw: I think we continue with, you need to manually enable repo X before bindep19:49
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ianwi think we just provide roles to enable/disable around the bindep calls myself19:49
pabelangerthis is what we've said with OSA and kolla up until now19:49
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ianwok, well if people are happy with 519533 ... that removes the packages that use non-base things on mostly centos, but others too19:50
clarkbI think it would be good to get a bit more settled in zuulv3 first19:50
ianwhowever, before we remove centos-release-openstack-ocata (519535) i will look at having roles to put it back19:50
clarkbwe still have job issues outside of that and adding more fuel to the fire won't help anyone19:51
ianwok, i just don't want to grow too many more dependencies on this19:51
clarkbya I don't think we have to wait very long, just thinking this has potential to break release again and we are still sorting out v3 related chagnes there19:52
ianwwe already have tripleo having to turn these repos off before they start.  that's a bit of a silly situation and creates potential for weird version skews19:52
clarkband will be harder to debug if multiple things are changing19:52
ianwi don't think release will really be involved, as this really only affects centos & suse19:52
clarkboh right19:53
clarkbin that case maybe its safe enough (sorry was thinking of it as a more global issue)19:53
ianwand not devstack jobs, because they pull in the repos, so only unit testing really19:53
clarkbmaybe email to the dev list, say we'd like to do it sometime next week and please speak up if this is a problem for you?19:53
clarkbosa, puppet, tripleo, kolla are likely to be broken by it if their bindep isn't up to date?19:54
ianwok, yep can do.  not a put in on friday and disappear thing19:54
clarkb#topic open discussion19:55
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pabelangerdo we want to consider a virtual sprint for control plane upgrades (xenial) before or after PTG?19:56
clarkbthis week is going to be a weird one for me. I've got the kids while my wife recovers from surgery. Hoping things will be more normal next week19:56
pabelangerclarkb: np, I think most people are still recovering from summit19:56
pabelangerI know I am19:56
clarkbpabelanger: if we are able to take advantage of holiday slowdown that may be a good time to knock out a bunch of services with few people noticing19:56
jlvillalI really would like to get this fix in: https://review.openstack.org/509670  Since I keep hitting cases where there is a CRITICAL log level but if I select ERROR log level I don't see it. Reviews appreciated :)19:57
clarkbpabelanger: but that depends on availability. I think sooner is better than later though19:57
clarkbjlvillal: I will give that a review19:57
pabelangerclarkb: yah, that is what I was thinking too. I can see what peoples schedules look like and propose a time19:57
jlvillalclarkb: Awesome, thanks :)19:57
clarkbpabelanger: maybe an ethercalc/etherpad of proposed times and see who is available when? like we do for ptg/summit dinner things19:58
clarkbalright out of time. Thanks everyone and you can find us in #openstack-infra or on the infra mailing list if anything else comes up19:59
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pabelangerJust a reminder, there is no weekly TC meeting today. We do have office hours weekly on Wednesday at 0100 UTC in #openstack-tc20:02
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