Wednesday, 2017-11-15

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zhiyuan#startmeeting tricircle01:00
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zhiyuani would like to discuss some implementation details of our features one by one01:01
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zhiyuan#topic distinguish the source of requests01:02
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zhiyuanafter discuss offline with xuzhuang, we find that one problem for this feature is that the function exposed by neutronclient doesn't have header parameter01:03
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zhiyuanso we cannot set some labels in the header to distinguish request from local/central01:04
zhiyuanxuzhuang's previous patch is to set labels in query string, but i think this is not a good way01:04
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xuzhuangI have finished the first version code through setting  source tag into req.params. The result of testing in a running openstack is the request source tag can be get in central neutron. But it's a pity that, central neutron can't transform the source tag into context. So using params is failed.01:05
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joehuangwe may need to add this to oslo.context, and neutron-client for this field configuration01:06
zhiyuani assume that you can set the label via "ctx.label = label"01:06
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zhiyuanone way without changing neutron-client is to set the module level value USER_AGENT01:07
zhiyuanabd neutron-client will put USER_AGENT in header01:08
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joehuangthis field itself is to discribe the source of the request01:10
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xuzhuangok, I will try to use USER_AGENT01:10
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zhiyuanand for setting the field in context object, i think the code looks like this01:12
zhiyuanctx = req.environ['neutron.context']; ctx.label = label; req.environ['neutron.context'] = ctx01:13
zhiyuanthe previous filter will construct the context object and put it into req.environ01:13
zhiyuanyou need to confirm that the previous filter exactly put context object in req.environ['neutorn.context']01:14
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xuzhuangThere is no user_agent in context01:17
zhiyuanyeah, but you can still do "ctx.user_agent = xxx"01:17
zhiyuanyou can dynamically add field to python object01:18
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xuzhuangok, Got it01:18
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zhiyuanfine, then next01:18
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zhiyuan#topic "LBaaS with tricircle"01:18
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zhiyuanhi yipei, I think michael has identified the problem01:19
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zhiyuan"the issue here is the gateway neutron gave us for the subnet is different than the one the amphora is receiving via DHCP"01:20
zhiyuanthis is true for our tricircle environment01:20
Yipeihi, zhiyuan, yes, but he is oblivious of the additional route table may lead to failure for finding missing gateway ip01:21
zhiyuanoctavia query central neutron server to get gateway ip, this is different from the local neutron gateway ip01:21
zhiyuanbut this is not a bug of octavia, in a normal setup, the route in table 1 is a onlink route01:22
zhiyuandefault via dev eth1  table 1 onlink01:22
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Yipeiok, i see. so do we need to change the way we set gateway ip in tricircle?01:24
zhiyuanhi johnsom, please01:24
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johnsomJust saying Hi and I can answer questions if you have them01:25
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zhiyuani have a question, octavia queries the subnet gateway and set it in the route of table 1, so dhcp request will not change the route, is that correct?01:28
Yipeito zhiyuan, maybe we can make central neutron return the real gateway ip in local neutron?01:28
johnsomzhiyuan Correct, we honor the gateway neutron gives us for the neutron subnet the VIP is on.01:30
zhiyuanto yipei, but central neutron need to know gateway ip of which local neutron to return01:30
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johnsomThe rule and route table are there to make sure the traffic from the VIP goes back out the right interface.  This allows members to access the VIP and get the response back from the appropriate MAC, etc.01:33
zhiyuanjohnsom, if the subnet doesn't have a gateway ip, will the route be set?01:34
zhiyuanYipei, so i think we have a work-around, to create a subnet without gateway ip01:34
johnsomI still don't quite understand why if they are on the same subnet it would need to go to the default route...01:37
johnsomIt's as if you are using DVR and the arp tables are not correct.01:37
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zhiyuanjohnsom, in tricircle, one subnet in central neutron will be created in several local neutron, to avoid ip conflict, we allocate a gateway ip for each local neutron01:38
zhiyuanso the gateway IPs of the same subnet in different local neutron are different01:39
Yipeieh... but in my environment where octavia is installed alone, the gateway ip port does not exist, the route of table 1 is still added01:41
zhiyuanYipei, what about the curl traffic?01:42
johnsomIt would likely bypass the routing table and use the default routing table with the other gateway01:43
Yipeii checked, same issue, haproxy cannot respond curl with source if as VIP01:44
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johnsomSorry, I need to sign off now.01:48
zhiyuanbye, johnsom, thanks for your help01:49
Yipeibye johnsom, thank a lot01:49
zhiyuanYipei, i think we just try to use a subnet without gateway01:50
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Yipeiyou mean the gateway port does not exist?01:50
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zhiyuanno, create a subnet without gateway01:51
Yipeiif the subnet has no gateway, how about l3 traffic01:51
zhiyuanby default the ip is .101:51
Yipeii will test it01:53
zhiyuanthe main problem is that octavia queries central neutron to get gateway ip01:54
zhiyuanthis is always different from the local neutron gateway ip01:55
Yipeioh, i see01:55
zhiyuanso even you attach a router, tricircle with LB still doesn't work01:55
Yipeicool, i think it will work01:56
zhiyuanso we have a limited LB01:56
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Yipeimaybe we need to figure out a way to adapt the route of table 1 in future01:58
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zhiyuanif we can distinguish the request from octavia, we can reply the local neutron gateway ip01:58
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Yipeiyes, i can investigate it02:00
Yipeihope we can implement a full lbaas02:00
zhiyuanhope so02:01
joehuangyes, need to find a way to address this issue02:01
zhiyuana quick pass of the last topic02:01
zhiyuan#topic QoS with tricircle02:01
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zhiyuanglad to see that all the tests have passed!02:02
zhiyuanbut my last comments are not addressed02:02
zhiyuanthe updated patch only rebase the master change02:02
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Yipeisorry, maybe i missed it, will double check and update it02:03
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joehuangto Yipei, Zhiyuan is talking about QoS02:04
zxhto zhiyuan, i modified your review, now adding qos bound network unit tests02:04
zhiyuanYipei, we have moved to the QoS topic :)02:04
Yipeioh, sorry02:04
zhiyuanzxh, great, i think the patch need to rebase again, i see "Merge Conflict" in the review page02:05
zxhok, i know, thinks02:06
songbeyond this are there any other work we can do? we also have two people freedom.02:07
zhiyuanoh, time's up, let's end our meeting02:07
zhiyuansong, let's discuss in openstack-tricircle02:07
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zhiyuanthanks for join the meeting02:08
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gongysh#startmeeting tacker04:30
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gongysh#topic roll call04:30
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gongyshDinesh_Bhor, diga hi04:32
digagongysh: hi04:32
MinWookKimgongysh, Dinesh_Bhor, diga hi04:33
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digagongysh: kirandivekar is joining from my org today, he is a senior architect having more than 17 years of exp04:34
gongyshdkushwaha, tbh , YanXing_an , hi04:34
digakirandivekar: welcome to team04:34
tbhHi gongysh04:34
gongyshkirandivekar, welcome04:34
Dinesh_Bhorkirandivekar: welcome04:34
MinWookKimkirandivekar, welcom : )04:34
kirandivekarhi all, kiran here...joining as new member04:34
tbhkirandivekar, welcome to the tacker!04:35
gongysh#topic blueprint04:35
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gongyshImplement containerized VNF in Kubernetes VIM04:35
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gongyshI have a comment on it04:36
gongyshwe have an agreement about it: first we need a pure k8s VIM04:37
digagongysh: yes, we almost submitted everything as per the review comment04:37
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gongyshno kury-kubernetes04:37
gongyshno dependency on openstack env.04:37
digagongysh: we have to depend on kuryr04:38
digabecause kuryr only provides container networking for k8s and docker04:38
digaand it is reliable project now in openstack ecosystem04:38
tbhdiga,kuryr provides container networking in case of openstack env04:39
digatbh: yes04:39
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tbhdiga, but gongysh stsatement makes sense04:40
gongyshdiga, we agreed that we will provide pure k8s vim and k8s with openstack vim04:40
gongyshin pure k8s vim, there is no need of kuryr04:40
digaat the end we have provide neutron networks to k8s pods and containers04:40
digait is required in case of containerized VNF on k8s but not for k8s as a vim04:41
digaBoth use cases (BP's) are different04:42
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gongyshdiga, you mentioned both BPs, where are they?04:44
digathis one is related to kubernetes as VIM04:44
digathe one we are talking about now is containerized VNF on k8s04:45
gongyshit seems is a k8s with kuryr04:46
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gongysh  is designed based on it.04:47
phuoc_gongsyh, we are trying to support both pure k8s and k8s with kuryr-kubernetes04:47
digaI never looked at previous BP in detail but it was merged it last week already04:47
digaK8s as VIM04:48
gongyshphuoc_ then how do we known if the vim has the kuryr capability?04:48
phuoc_actually if we don't consider to connect to VM, it is the same as pure K8S04:48
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phuoc_we can not know about it04:49
gongyshthe capability of kuryr will impact the implementation of c-VNF04:49
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phuoc_because Tacker focuses on VNFM and NFVO04:50
phuoc_we don't care about the infrastructure too much04:50
digagongysh: kuryr is anyway needed for both in my opinion because without kuryr, we cannot configure the k8s pod networking04:50
gongyshin a pure k8s, we will have no openstack in target vim04:50
phuoc_gongysh, it is the problem we need to figure out04:51
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digaphuoc_: no, it is important to care about infrastructure otherwise we may fail in configuring c-vnf part04:51
digatbh: what do you think ?04:51
digaI think trinath might have different understanding about this but he is not here today04:52
phuoc_we have to support both two cases04:52
digagongysh: what problem you see in kuryr ? actually I dont understand it04:53
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gongyshin a k8s with openstack target vim env, we still need openstack access credentials.04:53
gongyshdiga, it is about target vim env. we need to cover pure k8s env, that is lighter than k8s and openstack env.04:54
digagongysh: got it04:54
phuoc_maybe we can add some code to check if kuryr is enable04:55
digagongysh: okay, and you mean it should not depend on any infrastructure layer04:55
digagongysh: then in that case, we should not bring kuryr in this picture04:55
phuoc_and depend on each case, we can treat them differently04:55
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gongyshphuoc_,  we still need openstack access information when we register a k8s with openstack vim.04:56
phuoc_gongysh, I will check it again04:58
tbhgongysh, you mean we need openstack details for accessing neutron?04:58
gongyshtbh,  at ,  it reads the loadbalancer will be used.04:59
gongyshthe loadbalancer will be openstack neutron lb service05:00
gongyshif there is no openstack information, how we can do it?05:00
phuoc_gongysh, I updated it with Kubernetes service05:01
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tbhgongysh, yeah that's what I was referring ... agreed05:01
phuoc_it will cover for pure k8s05:01
gongyshok, lets move on05:01
phuoc_I will put detail about how to translate too05:02
digaphuoc_: let sync before updating further05:02
gongyshdkushwaha, hi05:02
diganeed to cover these steps05:03
dkushwahagongysh, hi05:03
gongysh#topic bug triage05:03
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gongyshdkushwaha, your time05:03
dkushwahaCurrently we have total 183 open bugs05:04
dkushwaha63 bugs are in progress, and most of them, no one working on that05:04
dkushwahai think first we needs to focus on that05:05
digato start with05:05
dkushwahathere are 5 bugs with high importance05:06
digadkushwaha: do you have some low hanging fruits kind of bugs, then I can assign them to my team05:06
dkushwahadiga yea05:07
dkushwahathere are 5 bugs in that,05:07
digadkushwaha: I will assign those to me now05:07
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dkushwahaok discuss high importance first05:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1658364 in tacker "DBReferenceError when Deploy or delete vnffg" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Tim Rozet (trozet)05:08
gongyshdoes anyone want to pick it up?05:09
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digaif not, I will assign it to me05:10
gongyshdiga, sure, please05:10
digadkushwaha: who is venkatamahesh, is he working on bug05:10
digagongysh: okay05:10
dkushwahadiga, on which?05:10
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digaI assigned it to me05:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1648327 in tacker "Name of the key in vnf-show command to be modified" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Digambar (digambarpatil15)05:12
dkushwahadiga, i am not sure venkatamahesh working on, i observed he is in almost all openstack components ;)05:12
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digadkushwaha: hahah05:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1668838 in tacker "add vnffg functional tests" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Jimmy.Ye (
gongyshYanXing_an, is Jimmy still on tacker?05:13
dkushwahathis seems good to go,and essential05:13
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1663082 in tacker "novaclient tenant_id deprecation warning in ./" [Low,New] - Assigned to Hari (hosingh000)05:14
digadkushwaha: what is status of this, i saw the status is fix committed05:15
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dkushwahadiga, i could not found its patch, may be i needs to check more git logs05:16
digadkushwaha: okay, I will also take a look at it05:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1691363 in tacker "VNF should not be allowed to delete separately, if part of an active NS" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to dharmendra (dharmendra-kushwaha)05:17
digadkushwaha: thank you, I will target to complete these bugs in this week only05:17
dkushwahagongysh, i am working on this one, hopefully will submit patch before next week meeting05:18
gongyshdkushwaha, you are the owner of this bug.05:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1656997 in tacker "possible invalid custom node " [High,In progress] - Assigned to Tung Doan (tungdoan)05:19
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dkushwahagongysh, not sure about this one, will it be abandon or valid05:19
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gongyshdkushwaha, I will have a look at it05:20
dkushwahagongysh, sure05:21
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dkushwahagongysh, other than these bugs, there are some bugs reported by "Manik Bindlish"05:21
dkushwahahe is working with me in Tacker/NFV Poc related activities05:22
gongyshis he working in tacker team?05:23
gongyshwill he fix the reported bugs?05:24
digaguys we have less time left05:24
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dkushwahagongysh, yes, but mostly involved him for Tacker Testing activities05:24
dkushwahagongysh, he will start code contributing in Tacker too05:25
digagongysh: can you brief us about Tacker demo and what is communities take on tacker in going ahead05:25
gongyshdkushwaha,  thanks for the bug triage.05:25
dkushwahagongysh, one bug i would like to discuss is
openstackLaunchpad bug 1716831 in tacker "No handling when updating with wrong value(disk size) for VNF updation" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Manik Bindlish (manikbindlish)05:25
phuoc_dkushwaha, it is nice05:25
digagongysh: I hope you had interaction with TC members and other PTL in the summit05:25
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digadkushwaha: I appreciate your effort in bug triage05:26
gongyshdiga, not yet, but I will commit some time for it.05:26
dkushwahagongysh, whenever we update vnf with wrong data, it goes success, but actually no update05:26
gongyshdkushwaha, got it05:27
dkushwahawhat should be the behavior in that case05:27
gongyshdkushwaha, with wrong data, we can raise exception and return message to end users.05:27
gongyshdkushwaha,  could you continue the triaging the job?05:28
dkushwahagongysh, yes sure05:28
gongyshdkushwaha, thanks05:29
gongyshlets code to reduce the bugs.05:29
gongyshthanks everyone05:29
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witek#startmeeting monasca14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 15 14:00:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is witek. Information about MeetBot at
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witekHello everyone14:00
dougszhi all14:00
fouadbenhi all14:01
witeksmall group today14:01
witeklet's start then14:02
dougszI added point 1. to the agenda14:02
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dougszI'm new to the monasca project14:02
witek#topic value_meta in alarms14:02
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witekhi Doug14:02
dougszHi Witek14:03
witeknice to see StackHPC again :)14:03
dougszSo this one is about alarms on log metrics14:03
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dougszAnd how it could be helpful to include some value_meta in the alarm notification14:04
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dougszSo for example, for log metrics, that value meta could be the first line of a log message14:04
witekyes, it could be useful in other use cases as well14:05
witekat the moment the information gets 'lost' in monasca-thresh14:06
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dougszThat's right14:06
dougszI had a brief look at not dropping it and it looks to involve adding another table in the DB14:06
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dougszSimilar to the existing metric dimensions table14:06
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dougszI guess, if people think the story is worth pursuing I could write a spec with some more detail14:07
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witekI think it should be enough to extend the alarm-state-transition message14:08
witekto include value and value_meta14:08
witekand then monasca-notification could use it to create the notification message14:09
dougszsounds good14:09
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dougszso you don't think modifying the DB is required?14:09
witekalarm-state-transitions are persisted to InfluxDB14:10
witekwe might have to modify persister14:11
dougszah sure - i was referring to the MySQL DB14:11
witekno, I don't think we have to touch MySQL14:11
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dougszOk thanks - I'll go back and have a closer look.14:12
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witekin the story you write about extending MetricDefinition14:12
witekI don't think it's the right way14:12
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dougszOk, thanks for the pointer.14:13
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witekI think it's a good change, it helps to make the notifications more customisable14:13
nseyvethi, sorry a bit late.14:13
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witekhi nseyvet14:13
dougszThanks witek - I believe rbrandt had a use case for it as well.14:14
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witekpersister has already 'reason_data' but I think it's not used14:15
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witekdougsz: if you could write a spec for this, that would be great14:16
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dougszwitek: Sounds good to me. I'll try and come up with something.14:16
dougsznp - thanks for taking a look.14:17
witekis anyone from HPE who could comment?14:17
witekRoland is out of office this week I guess14:18
witek#topic Cassandra update14:19
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jguHi witek14:19
jguthat's me and Scott14:19
witekhi James14:19
witekand Scott :)14:19
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witekthanks for the test framework14:20
jgu!/story/2001292  we have completed the test plan: mix of 1mil fixed "admin" metrics and 3 mil active guest vm metrics that rolls over 10% at each 1 bil measurements/run). Throughput: 85k metrics/second with Cassandra one a three baremetal node cluster 128GB RAM, 48 CPU, three disk each. Does the number sound good enough?14:20
jguwitek: it was fun14:20
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witekso you have tested Java persister, right?14:21
witekdo you have results for Python as well?14:21
jgunot yet due to hardware availability issue14:21
jgunow we are wrapping up Java, we can switch to Python14:21
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jguif that's needed14:22
witekhow do you generate the set of metrics for test scenario?14:22
jguI added some details in the storyboard:!/story/200129214:23
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jguwe use JMeter with kafka plugin to generate kafka metric messages14:23
jguso we tested kafka+persister+cassandra14:23
witekOK, so two test plans are included in the tool already14:24
nseyvetpretty nice!!14:24
jgunseyvet: thanks!14:24
nseyvetI saw the jmeter files come in.14:24
witekthe requirement for the env is to have Kafka, Persister and TSDB installed, right?14:24
jguthere is a small change in persister is required for the tool to correctly count the throughput14:25
witekis it documented somewhere?14:26
jguit is in the same code patch14:26
witekwe would need the same for Python?14:27
jguit changes the flush meter to reflect the metrics persisted, bot the numbe rof batches14:27
jguwitek: ah yes. we haven't got to the same change for Python yet14:27
witekfine for now14:28
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jguwhen we test python, will need it. It's a very small and easy change14:28
jguthanks for pointing that out14:28
witekwith how many persister instances have you tested?14:28
jguthree persister instances14:28
witeknice job, thanks for that14:29
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jgukafka/zookeeper, persister and tsdb are colocated on 128GB, 48 COPU node14:29
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witekwe should try to get Cassandra changes merged soon14:30
witekreviews are very welcome14:30
jguI was hoping so :-)14:30
witekdo you need help on zuul configuration?14:31
jgusgrasley is working on the zuul gate14:31
sgrasleyYes please14:31
witekI guess we can take care of it14:33
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witekanything else on that topic?14:34
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jguthanks Witek14:34
witekthanks for the code14:34
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witek#topic new meeting time14:35
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jguthanks for reviewing the code in advance14:35
witekwould you like to make a survey for the new meeting time?14:35
witekI have prepared a doodle14:36
jguI like doodling :-)14:36
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witektimes only for Wednesday, but we're free to change that as well14:37
nseyvetwhich TZ are those hours?14:37
witekshould be in your local time14:37
jgudo we choose one or multiples?14:37
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jgunever mind -- see the colors14:38
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witeknseyvet: I think you can set it yourself, my doodle display UTC14:38
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witeknseyvet: the info is displayed above the table14:38
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jgudone here too14:39
witekI will also send the link to the mailing list as not everyone is here14:39
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jguwitek: thanks for the survey14:40
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witekI'll share the result early next week on the mailing list14:42
witekis it OK?14:42
fouadbenwitek: yes14:42
witek#topic Summit update14:43
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witeklast week we've been in Sydney at the OpenStack summit14:44
witekwe had a hands-on workshop, and 4 presentations14:44
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witeksc: thanks for help on the workshop14:44
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witekMonasca was also presented on SUSE and Fujitsu booths in marketplace14:45
witekthere is one interesting initiative started, self-healing SIG14:46
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witekit started actually at PTG in Denver already14:47
witekthe goal is to coordinate the efforts for self-healing OpenStack across different projects14:47
witekhere the etherpad to the Forum session from Sydney:14:48
witekbi-weekly meetings are planned, and own mailing list14:48
witekfeedback was requested to define goals and scope14:49
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scwitek: you're welcome14:49
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witekI think that's all from my side14:50
witekit was nice meeting you in person, akiraY :)14:51
nseyvetI do have one question if there is some time?14:51
nseyvetI have a question about the agent <-> monasca-api <-> Keystone and plugins.  The agent has a keystone_url config option, but at the same time the libvirt plugin has its own authentication credentials towards Nova for example. How is authentication/authorization architectured from a monasca agent perspective vis a vis Monasca?  Should each plugin independently use Keystone or is it centralized by the agent configuration?14:51
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witeklibvirt is a special case I guess, because it has to collect information from nova service14:52
witekI'm not sure if the standard monasca-agent user has enough permissions to get required info14:53
nseyvetatm it reads the nova.conf file and uses those credentials. correct?14:54
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witekaren't credentials configured in libvirt.yaml?14:55
nseyvetI thought the "auto-detect" feature would read from nova.conf14:55
nseyvetbut as a general principle, how should it work?14:56
nseyvetand what is the purpose of the "keystone_url"?14:56
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witekin general every plugin should use monasca-agent credentials14:56
witekagent gets token from Keystone and sends it for authorisation to monasca API14:58
witekI guess I have to close the meeting soon14:59
nseyvetok so the agent acts as a normal OpenStack project and does not rely on MonascaAPI to authenticate it?14:59
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nseyvet(the www_authenticate_uri config option)15:00
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witeknseyvet: let's continue on #openstack-monasca15:00
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witekhave to finish now15:00
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jungleboyjstartmeeting cinder16:00
jungleboyj#startmeeting cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 15 16:00:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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jungleboyjcourtesy ping:  jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele16:01
_pewp_jungleboyj (¬_¬)ノ16:01
geguileohi! o/16:01
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jungleboyjSorry everyone for the confusion last week about the meeting.16:02
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jungleboyjI should have gotten the etherpad updated and every time I went to update it I got interrupted.  So, thanks to who ever got that done.16:02
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jungleboyjOk, I am guessing this is all we are going to have for this week so lets get started.16:03
SwansonThese things never happened under the old regime.16:03
jungleboyjSwanson:  :-p16:03
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jungleboyj#topic Announcements16:04
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jungleboyjSo, we have our review priorities:16:05
jungleboyjA reminder to keep an eye on those because of our next agenda item:16:05
jungleboyjMilestone 2 for Queens is coming up in just a couple of weeks.16:05
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jungleboyjI know there have been updates to specs.  I need to take a look at those and see which ones can make it in before the Freeze.16:06
jungleboyjI think there are a couple of drivers that need reviews to get merged.16:06
jungleboyjAppreciate any help we can get to get those reviews done and things merged.16:07
jungleboyjAny questions and comments there?16:07
smcginnisWould be great if we didn't wait until the last week this time to do those driver reviews.16:07
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Yeah, good point.16:08
jungleboyjHopefully my brain has recovered enough to start working on that kind of stuff today.  :-)16:08
jungleboyj#topic Brief Overview of Sydney Summit16:09
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jungleboyjSorry that we couldn't see more of you at the summit, but it was a long way to travel.16:09
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jungleboyjWe had a great Upstream Institute session.  Got ~26 new people educated who were all eager to work on OpenStack.16:10
jungleboyjThe Cinder On-Boarding session was attended by 6 people.16:10
jungleboyjWas glad to have some interest there and I got the session recorded so I will be posting that to our YouTube channel soon.16:10
tommylikehujungleboyj:  great!16:11
jungleboyjOtherwise, from a Cinder Standpoint there wasn't a lot of technical content.  Feel like Summit is suffering as we feared it would when they changed the format.16:11
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jungleboyjNot a lot of technical content and the summit is turning into an opportunity for the people who are paying to come push their wares.16:12
lhx_jungleboyj, could you show me the channel link?16:13
jungleboyjThe sessions that were about how OpenStack is being used and where it needs to go were nice though.16:13
jungleboyjCERN's numbers of storage and compute needed in the future are insane.16:13
DuncanTAre CERN using cinder yet?16:14
smcginnisDuncanT: Yeah, they are.16:14
jungleboyjDuncanT:  Yep, they do.16:14
jungleboyjlhx_:  Here16:14
lhx_jungleboyj, thanks :)16:14
jungleboyjlhx_:  Welcome.16:14
SwansonLike how many nodes are they using?16:14
jungleboyjSwanson:  Cores16:15
tbarronwith lvm, right?16:15
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jungleboyjtbarron:  Ha ha.  CEPH.16:15
jgriffithjungleboyj: and *others*16:15
jungleboyjjgriffith:  You know what the others are?16:16
jgriffithand that's not 200K cores of cinder BTW :)16:16
jgriffithjungleboyj: some16:16
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jgriffithpredominantly ceph16:16
jungleboyjjgriffith:  Right, that is compute.  I am not sure how many storage nodes the have.  They just talking in PB of storage.16:16
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jungleboyjAnyway, jgriffith or smcginnis have anything to add from the summit?16:17
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smcginnisNo, not really. Some good feedback sessions with operators, but nothing too noteworthy at this point.16:18
SwansonAnyone have a vegimite sandwich?16:18
smcginnisSome discussion of LTS releases going on. Or something along the lines of an LTS concepts.16:18
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Ok.  Cool.16:19
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Yeah, I have seen that there is now a mail list thread on that.16:19
jungleboyjWill be interested to see where that goes.16:19
jungleboyjSwanson:  I didn't.  Had Crocodile and Kangaroo though.16:20
jungleboyj#topic Update on Multi-attach after the Summit Session:16:20
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Swansonjungleboyj, Typical McDonalds, then.16:20
smcginnisAnyone interested in the LTS proposals, brainstorming is being done here:
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smcginnisMackies in Australia. And Burger King is Hungry Jacks.16:21
jungleboyjHad a relatively well attended session on Multi-attach.16:21
jungleboyjUnfortunately there were not so many Operators there.16:22
jungleboyjWe presented what the design of Multi-attach currently is and didn't get negative feedback.16:22
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jungleboyjAgreement that we need good documentation as to how it works and would should/should not be done.16:23
jungleboyjAgreement that boot from volume volumes will be read-only.16:23
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jungleboyjThere was also discussion of a problem where you can attach the same volume to the same instance multiple times even when multi-attach is set to false.16:24
jungleboyjThe problem is due to code that needs to be in place for live migration.16:25
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jungleboyjNova team is planning to hack in a fix for Queens to avoid the problem and in the future we may need to find a better solution.16:25
jungleboyjLong story short, we are continuing to make good forward progress and no one at the sessions seemed to have notable concerns.16:26
jungleboyjI think that was all that was of interest there.16:26
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jungleboyj#topic Open Discussion16:27
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jungleboyjOne other thing.  We did have an office hours session at the Summit.16:27
jungleboyjI had a chance to chat with aspiers about the Storage Based Death approach for HA / Fencing of nodes.16:28
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jungleboyjI helped provide some education on how Cinder works.  Think they had some bad assumptions.16:28
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jungleboyjWhat they are thinking for SBD definitely would not work for all storage backends.16:29
jungleboyjThey were going back to think about it more.  Something like Table Based Death using the database might be more realistic to work.16:29
smcginnisOh, I also wanted to mention the bugsmash is next week.16:30
jungleboyjAs we talked about it, however, I am not totally convinced that we can gain much from it.16:30
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Oh, that is good to know.16:30
smcginnisCores, and really anyone who can help with reviews, please try to help look at those patches.16:30
smcginnisSomething to do while you're half comatose on the couch after turkey fest.16:31
jungleboyjDo we have anyone from Cinder participating?16:31
smcginnistommylikehu: Are you going to attend that?16:31
tommylikehuI will16:31
jungleboyjtommylikehu:  Please feel free to ping me as if there are reviews that need attention so that we can help make the bug smash productive.16:32
tommylikehujungleboyj: lol, the messages would keep coming at midnight:)16:33
jungleboyjThursday and Friday next week are a US holiday but I was planning to stay somewhat available.16:33
jungleboyjtommylikehu:  :-)  I am used to it.16:33
jungleboyjAny other topics for Open Discussion?16:34
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jungleboyjI guess related to the Bug Smash, does anyone have bugs that would be appropriate for the bug smash to address?16:35
jgriffithjungleboyj: yes16:35
jungleboyjjgriffith: Cool.  We had put together a list for the last bugsmash.16:35
jgriffithjungleboyj: cool, I'll find it and add it to the list16:36
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jungleboyjjgriffith:  That would be great.16:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1732223 in Cinder "cinder-manage volume delete doesn't work due to rpc versioning error" [Undecided,New]16:37
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jungleboyjjgriffith:  Unfortunately I don't have it in my list of etherpads.  We put it together at the end of the Boston summit.16:37
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jungleboyjI will go back and see if I can find where we put that list and send a note out to the mailing list.16:38
smcginnisjungleboyj: Weren't we just tagging possible bugs with "bugsmash" or something like that?16:38
jungleboyjHmmm, that does sound familiar.  :-)16:38
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jungleboyjI will follow up on that and send a note to the ML.16:40
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Yep, looks like that is what we did.  We still have 11 with that tag.16:41
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jungleboyjJust added jgriffith 's16:42
jungleboyjSo, if anyone else has candidates, please add that tag.16:42
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Thanks for that topic!16:43
jungleboyjAnything else from anyone?16:43
jungleboyjI will take that as a no and we can wrap the meeting up early.16:43
jungleboyjI am guessing a lot of people in the US will be on vacation next Wednesday, but lets still plan to meet for those who can make it.16:44
jungleboyjOh and incentive to get to Dublin, I finally have the new Cinder stickers!16:45
jungleboyjClass up your laptop with horse's ...16:45
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jungleboyjOn that note ...16:46
jungleboyj#endmeeting cinder16:46
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bh526r#startmeeting gluon19:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 15 19:00:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at
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bh526rI just realized that I have messed up time.19:01
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bh526rIt should be 18:00 UTC19:01
bh526rIt was 11am PDT, but now it should be 10am PST19:01
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jinlihi Bin19:02
bh526rSorry that I joined at wrong time - 11am PST which is 19:00 UTC19:02
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bh526rHi Jin19:02
bh526rglad you are here19:02
jinlimeeting always at 11:00, right?19:02
bh526rActually it is 18:00UTC19:03
jinlioh, ok19:03
jinliother countries don't have winter time19:03
jinliI see19:03
bh526ras listed in19:03
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bh526rSo both of us messed up the time now :)19:04
bh526rwhich is good, and we meet at the same time19:04
bh526r#topic Roll Call19:04
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bh526r#info Bin Hu19:04
bh526r#info Jin Li19:05
bh526r#topic Update19:05
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bh526r#info Bin attended OpenStack Summit. Many good topics on container, edge cloud, 5G etc.19:05
bh526rsorry Jin that I didn't review your code in time.19:06
jinlithat's ok19:06
bh526rI will try to do it this week.19:06
bh526rwhat is your holiday plan?19:06
jinliI have a new patch, which may explains why you can't find you sqlite file19:06
bh526rthat's great19:06
jinlidon't know about my holiday plan yet, I am planning to move some of my vocations to next year19:07
jinliwant to visit China for a month from mid Mar to mid Apr19:07
bh526rI see. But you still need to use it by 03/31 next year, right?19:07
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jinliI am thinking moving 10 days from this year19:08
bh526rJust try to figure out what exactly policy is. so that I can also plan accordingly19:08
bh526rThat's good. where will you visit in China?19:08
jinliI still have maybe 8 days, which I am planning to use in Christmos19:08
bh526rThat's great19:08
jinliBeijing, ShangHai, and Canton19:09
bh526rcool. your relatives? or just as tourist?19:09
jinlinever went back since I came here 20 yr ago19:09
bh526rCanton? Guangzhou?19:09
jinliso want to spend couple more days :)19:09
jinliyes, I am from Guangdong19:10
bh526rThat's nice.19:10
jinliclose by Guangzhou19:10
bh526rCool. I am from Jiangsu19:10
jinlicome back there often19:10
bh526rNo, every 4-5 years19:11
bh526rBut I just visited them this summer19:11
jinlihow long you stayed there?19:12
bh526r2 weeks19:12
jinliHot ?19:12
bh526ryes, record hot this summer19:12
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bh526rEven if I grew up there, I felt very hot.19:13
bh526rI am spoiled by the weather in bay area19:13
jinliyeah.... haha..19:13
bh526rlet me find time to review it this week.19:13
jinlithat's why I choose Mar19:13
jinliso I will be out for black Fri and the last couple days of Dec.19:13
bh526rThat's smart choice19:14
jinlianother Question19:14
bh526ror, do you want to come down to south bay early next week?19:14
jinliI can do that19:14
jinliI also want to know if we have code to use Mysql for database19:14
bh526rdo you mean gluon code? perhaps not19:15
jinliI know we have sqlite19:15
jinliok, I can work on that also19:15
bh526rsome other projects, e.g. Neutron, may have code for MySql19:15
bh526rthat's good. I will record it on the task sheet.19:16
jinlioh, so we want to use Neutron's db19:16
bh526rwe can discuss more details when we meet in person19:16
jinlilet me know what day you want19:16
jinlito meet19:16
bh526rhow does your calendar or schedule look like?19:17
jinliany day/time should be ok for me19:17
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bh526rWednesday is the best for me. But it is the day before Thanksgiving, so traffic for you may be bad19:18
jinliok, Wed works19:18
bh526rwe can cancel the IRC meeting then19:19
bh526rThe best location for you may be Menlo Park (ON Lab).19:19
jinliI will meet you around 1019:20
jinliI can meet you in lib19:20
bh526rLet me check if they have room available (or if the office is still open)19:20
jinlibut you mya need to send me address19:20
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bh526rThat's right. Let me check with them first. If they are open on Wednesday, I will send you the address.19:21
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jinlisounds good19:21
bh526rIf they are not open, next is Milpitas, which I have access too19:21
bh526rSo let me check with Menlo Park first, then I will let you know.19:22
bh526rsounds good.19:22
bh526ranything else?19:22
jinlithat's all from me19:22
bh526r#info Bin and Jin will meet next week to review code19:23
bh526r#topic AOB19:23
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bh526r#info IRC meeting on Nov 22 next Wednesday will be canceled to observe Thanksgiving holiday week19:23
bh526r#info Meeting adjourned19:24
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bh526rThank you Jin, and see you next week19:24
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jinlithanks see you19:24
SotKanyone here for the storyboard meeting?19:24
SotK#startmeeting storyboard19:24
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 15 19:24:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:25
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'storyboard'19:25
SotK#link Agenda19:25
SotKsomewhat outdated because I failed to update it just now19:25
SotK#topic In Progress Work19:25
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SotKI sent a patch to replace marked with markdown-it, since the latter is actually maintained19:26
Zaraoh no I was typing the link! :D19:27
Zarayes that is on my todo list for reviewing this week, please poke me if I don't get to it by fri19:27
SotKok then, thanks19:27
ZaraI was going to check the js draft build, but that's currently broken, SotK sent a patch to fix the issue:19:27
Zarain general that will make it quicker to review webclient patches again19:28
Zarai've definitely been slow on those19:28
SotKthanks for the review fungi :)19:28
SotKI'll reply on gerrit later19:28
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Zarathis is still hovering:19:29
Zaramy current position is that I want it merged in some form before the next team is ready to migrate, even though I'd rather a cgit link19:30
Zarasince I think their need for the info will outweigh the other considerations there19:30
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* SotK agrees with fungi's comment, but can see the need to have it merged in some form soon19:31
Zarayeah, I haven't seen a lot of movement on it in the release team, though I agree that'd be best19:31
Zaranot sure who the best person would be to ask about that19:32
fungiwell, also relevant is smcginnis's comment, wherein he points out that the releases repo readme is not intended as a reference19:32
fungiso sort of like calling private methods in a library, it's subject to being broken at a moment's notice19:33
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fungii'm inclined to consider heavily any comment from the release ptl stating that the releases repo readme isn't a reference19:34
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fungiit would probably help to follow up and find out whether that section should be relocated to something published to the releases site or the project teams guide19:35
Zarasure, it would be better if we could get it documented somewhere more permanent19:36
SotKthat seems likely to be the best way to making it into something mergable I think19:36
SotKto be clear, I can see the need to have it merged, but I don't want to merge it as-is19:36
ZaraI still generally lean toward preferring a liable-to-break reference over none, but I don't want to cause trouble for the releases team19:37
Zaraif the worry is that people will complain to them should it get broken when they didn't make a guarantee of supporting it19:37
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fungii'm mostly just not keen to have official documentation linking to something the release managers don't want linked as documentation19:38
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fungiif for no other reason than it's best not to get on their bad side ;)19:38
smcginnisHey, just reading scrollback and trying to remember that patch...19:39
Zaraoh sure, I don't want to tread on toes. :D I just foresee us ending up making some other even more unofficial documentation otherwise19:39
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smcginnisSo I'm OK with linking to the README. Just think it might be good if we documented that somewhere better.19:40
Zara(we already have a bad habit of leaving doclike things in too long)19:40
smcginnisTo be fair, the README isn't likely to change, so it would be safe enough.19:40
Zaraif there's a better option I could make a patch for it, not sure where would be best?19:41
smcginnisZara: I think it might be best to add a section to the release-management section of the project team guide.19:41
Zaraokay :)19:42
Zarait's partly been stuck so long because I've been pretty distracted so I think it's on me to get it moving19:42
fungiright, the other (related) concern with 506812 is that if the sb docs _do_ link to the readme then what's actually desired is linking to a section heading of an html-rendered version of the wiki, and the proposed patch attempts to abuse github's interface to that end19:43
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fungier, s/wiki/readme/19:43
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* fungi has wikibrain at the moment apparently19:44
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Zaramy brain is fried, sorry. I see now that that doesn't seem to have section headings yet? (the project team guide)19:45
Zarawell, linkable ones19:45
fungiat any rate, i similarly don't want to be linking to gh copies of openstack repos, nor treating it as a makeshift documentation publishing platform19:45
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fungiZara: which page are you looking at?19:46
fungiif you hover over a subheading in a page you should see a paragraph mark appear to the right which is clickable19:46
Zaraoh I was failing to use dashes instead of underscores19:46
ZaraI didn't see the paragraph mark but they do have ids19:47
ZaraI was looking at:
Zaraand saw no paragraph mark, but source suggests it has ids so ignore me19:47
SotKhm, I see the paragraph mark on that page19:47
fungiyou have to hover to the immediate right of the end of the heading for the ¶ to appear19:48
fungibasically a hidden character that changes to a visible color on hover19:48
Zaraaha my mouse was too far to the right19:48
fungisecret sphinx features ;)19:49
Zaraeither I've used it before somewhere but with a wider area or I'm imagining that19:50
SotKanyway, I will be happy to +2 a patch which links to the needed content on that page19:50
SotKbut likely will not +2 a patch which links to github in the meantime, since I don't want to forget about it19:51
fungisimilarly, i'll be happy to +2 the corresponding addition to the project team guide19:51
Zaranow I just have to do things19:52
SotKthanks fungi and Zara19:52
SotK(and smcginnis)19:52
fungiso many things19:52
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SotKanything else in progress that needs discussion?19:53
SotK#topic Open Discussion19:54
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Zaraoh, is still in review19:57
ZaraI completely forgot about that19:57
Zara(docs on manually upgrading a sb instance)19:58
SotKheh, me too19:58
SotKdo you have time to add that to your list?19:58
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SotK-> #storyboard20:00
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SotKthanks folk20:00
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