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| masahito | ekcs: hi | 02:32 |
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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 02:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Nov 17 02:32:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: congressteammeeting)" | 02:32 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 02:32 |
| ekcs | hi masahito ! | 02:32 |
| ekcs | back from summit? | 02:33 |
| masahito | yes | 02:33 |
| ekcs | topics here as usual: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 02:33 |
| ekcs | not too many things from me. feel free to add! | 02:33 |
| ekcs | great how was the summit for you? | 02:34 |
| masahito | It was great summit. | 02:35 |
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| ekcs | great. I heard it’s a much smaller summit than usual, but I think it was productive. | 02:37 |
| ekcs | ok looks like no ramineni today. let’s dive in then. | 02:37 |
| ekcs | #topic config verification patches | 02:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "config verification patches (Meeting topic: congressteammeeting)" | 02:38 | |
| ekcs | Pierre has uploaded all the pieces of the config verification code. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/configuration-files-validation+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 02:39 |
| ekcs | So we can review. | 02:39 |
| ekcs | I haven’t taken a close look yet. But I expect to very soon. | 02:40 |
| ekcs | Anything to discuss on that topic? | 02:40 |
| masahito | Nothing to discuss. I didn't review the patches. | 02:41 |
| masahito | So I'll review it later. | 02:41 |
| ekcs | yea same. ok then. | 02:42 |
| ekcs | #topic self-healing SIG | 02:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "self-healing SIG (Meeting topic: congressteammeeting)" | 02:43 | |
| ekcs | Some update from the self-healing forum at the summit. | 02:44 |
| ekcs | the self-healing forum discussion was good. a lot of interest there, looked like over 30 people in that discussion. very helpful group with many different projects as well as ops involved. | 02:44 |
| ekcs | we decided to start the self-healing SIG with primary purpose to collect use cases, do gap analysis, and propose reference openstack self-healing architecture by leveraging the different projcets. | 02:44 |
| ekcs | I’ll keep people updated as we get the SIG channel and ML badge setup. | 02:45 |
| ekcs | I’m working on facilitating the collection of use cases. So I started this document for that purpose: #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/13N36g2RlUYs8mw7hbfRXw6y2Jc-V2XGrXgfPXPpUvuU/edit?usp=sharing | 02:46 |
| ekcs | It’s a light weight way for people to add use cases they have in mind. I haven’t publicized it with the SIG yet, but I expect to soon. | 02:46 |
| ekcs | Right now I just have a template and as an example I put in the doctor use case as the first one. | 02:47 |
| ekcs | Feel free to take a look and comment on how you feel it works and what changes you’d make. | 02:47 |
| ekcs | Or of course adding use cases you see fit. | 02:47 |
| ekcs | That’s all from me around self-healing SIG. any questions/comments/discussions? | 02:48 |
| masahito | Nothing special from my side. | 02:50 |
| ekcs | ok! | 02:50 |
| ekcs | ah also for reference here are some notes from the forum: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/self-healing-rocky-forum | 02:50 |
| ekcs | Ok let’s move along then. | 02:51 |
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| ekcs | #topic open discussion | 02:52 |
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| ekcs | I don’t have other specific topics we need to talk about. | 02:53 |
| ekcs | If we want we can look at open patches and see if there is anything to discuss: server: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/congress+status:open | 02:53 |
| ekcs | dashboard: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/congress-dashboard+status:open | 02:53 |
| ekcs | client: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-congressclient+status:open | 02:53 |
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| ekcs | Or review the priority and see what changes we’d like to make based on summit and other developments. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-task-priority | 02:54 |
| ekcs | We can also just end meeting and continue next time. | 02:54 |
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| masahito | I'm okay to end meeting :-) | 02:56 |
| masahito | I'll review Pierre's patches later. | 02:56 |
| ekcs | awesome ok let’s end it here then. I’ll hang around on #congress if anyone else comes along and has something to discuss. | 02:57 |
| ekcs | happy friday and have a great weekend! | 02:57 |
| masahito | you too. | 02:57 |
| ekcs | bye! | 02:57 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 02:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 02:57 | |
| masahito | bye | 02:57 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Nov 17 02:57:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-11-17-02.32.html | 02:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-11-17-02.32.txt | 02:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-11-17-02.32.log.html | 02:57 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Nov 17 15:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Ping list: dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, lbragstad, ttx | 15:00 |
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| smcginnis | An hour earlier thanks to DST change. | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:00 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-relmgt-tracking Tracking etherpad | 15:00 |
| fungi | and this is why i do everything in utc ;) | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | Morning dhellmann. How's the jetlag coming along? | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Smart. ;) | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | my wife is a bit of a night owl, so she likes it when I travel west and come home able to stay up later than usual. I'm a bit less thrilled, since I still need to wake up early... | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | fungi: I would do metric too, but the impedence mismatch with everyone around me would be too much. :D | 15:01 |
| fungi | also there's no good metric time standard | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Similar situation here. | 15:02 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | #topic Cycle progress | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cycle progress (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:02 | |
| smcginnis | We are currently R-15 in the cycle. | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | Just a few short weeks away from q-2. | 15:03 |
| ttx | Is there any standing issue on the release infra side? | 15:03 |
| ttx | I've seen a few threads open | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | We've had a few release notes failures lately, but I think those may be resolved now. | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | Or just about resolved. | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Are you aware of anything else? | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: ^^ | 15:04 |
| fungi | release notes job discussion underway in #-infra right now | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM just posted about a failure related to oslosphinx in #openstack-release | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | I think the fix there is to not use the deprecated lib and update to the new theme | 15:04 |
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| fungi | mostly around dropping tox from the release notes build, in preparation for doing the same for docs builds | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | did we announce that the release notes job was being changed? | 15:05 |
| fungi | (per mordred's updates to the pti) | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: I think cinder-specs still has a patch out for that. Probably others yet. | 15:05 |
| fungi | dhellmann: not sure, it came up in the discussions about trying to fix failing release notes builds for horizon plugins? | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis: I think that's a different thing? | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we talked in channel but I wasn't sure if there was an email about it | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Sorry, I was referring to the discussion in -releases | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: I don't believe there was an email about the release notes change. | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | I was actually surprised we merged that already. | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | ok, we should do that | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that made it through faster than I expected | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | There are at least a series of patches making changes so services don't need to be installed to run reno. | 15:07 |
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| fungi | that much got discussed on the ml, i thought. just not formally announced | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll look for that thread | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | Who would be the best to follow up on that thread and make it official? Infra or release team? | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | we probably should have written a new job, tested it with some projects, then moved everyone to it | 15:09 |
| fungi | around determining that installing projects to identify their version string wasn't necessary for release notes builds | 15:09 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: That would have been a smoother transition. | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | As we've seen, some folks are getting annoyed that things that were working before are suddenly broken. | 15:09 |
| fungi | i wasn't following the transition--been away from the computer a lot this week. i guess that's not how it was done? | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | I can't imagine why. | 15:10 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : it doesn't seem so. I still don't fully understand the v3 stuff so it wasn't obvious at the time, but if we're having projects failing for new reasons I assume the existing job was changed | 15:10 |
| fungi | i agree a trial implementation would have been nice | 15:11 |
| AJaeger | fungi mentioned release-notes discussions? Anything for me to chime in? | 15:11 |
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| dhellmann | AJaeger : we were wondering if the ramifications of the job rewrite were announced before that patch landed | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | we're seeing people with new questions about new failures in the job | 15:11 |
| fungi | AJaeger: mostly just some projects were surprised by the release notes jobs changing when they had been previously working for them. i guess we could have tried a new job just on the projects which were already broken to make things smoother. worth considering for next time | 15:12 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: We had temporary failures but fixed them directly. | 15:12 |
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| dhellmann | AJaeger : https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1732815 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1732815 in tripleo "CI: releasenotes job broken with Could not import extension oslosphinx (exception: No module named oslosphinx) " [Critical,Triaged] | 15:12 |
| AJaeger | The check/gate worked for the repos - but as dhellmann's emails showed, the post/release publishing failed ;( | 15:12 |
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| AJaeger | dhellmann: I fixed that ;) | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : ok. EmilienM came to #openstack-release at the top of the hour to ask about it, so maybe he hadn't seen the fix yet | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | where is the fix? | 15:13 |
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| fungi | hindsight and all, but we probably would have found that bug even if we were just working through a replacement job for the horizon plugins, without also inflicting the bug on projects which already had working builds | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | we need someone to write an email to the list describing the job change | 15:13 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: but that failure in 1732815 was not known before to me | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yeah | 15:13 |
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| dhellmann | ah, so the issue with tripleo's job isn't fixed | 15:14 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: I'm wrong - I didn't fix python-tripleoclient yet. | 15:14 |
| AJaeger | We could install oslosphinx as well in the releasenotes job to fix it | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | ok. switching the releasenotes build to use openstackdocstheme instead of oslosphinx should fix the problem. | 15:14 |
| fungi | does python-tripleoclient do something unusual? | 15:14 |
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| dhellmann | well, oslosphinx is deprecated and no one is supposed to be using it any more | 15:15 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: exactly, that should fix it | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | AJaeger: We may want to do that until everyone has switched over. I know not all had yet. | 15:15 |
| fungi | aha, so most projects were already on openstackdocstheme | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | updating that was part of the migration effort last cycle | 15:15 |
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| dhellmann | but yeah, as smcginnis points out, maybe that's a good temporary measure | 15:15 |
| fungi | it's entirely possible that if all the horizon plugins we were working on fixing builds for were already using openstackdocstheme we wouldn't have caught 1732815 | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | I'm aware of at least two now that have not completed the switch. Likely more. | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | I see 320 repos using oslosphinx, but it's not clear how many have releasenotes | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : maybe the thing to do is to try installing the test-requirements.txt for a project, but ignore the failure? like we do with the project's requirements | 15:16 |
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| fungi | that seems like a reasonable stepping stone to the docs-requirements.txt mandated by the pti | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | I can't find the patch that redefined the job, does someone have that link handy? | 15:18 |
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| * AJaeger just pushed " https://review.openstack.org/521104 ensure-reno: Install oslosphinx" | 15:19 | |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: I56909152975f731a9d2c21b2825b972195e48ee8, let me get a link... | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : I just commented on 512104 | 15:19 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/520362/ | 15:20 |
| * mordred waves | 15:20 | |
| dhellmann | do we agree on the approach now? | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Can you restate it to make sure we all agree on the same thing? | 15:21 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: I think it works fine with just oslosphinx, nothing else should be needed to get installed | 15:21 |
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| dhellmann | update the job to optionally install test-requirements.txt, like we do with requirements.txt | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : we need to stop making assumptions about these jobs. we keep breaking things. | 15:21 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: so, you would install *only* test-requirements.txt? | 15:22 |
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| dhellmann | we should make the new job try to reproduce closely what the old job was doing, but be resilient if installing something fails | 15:22 |
| * mordred likes that - or also maybe optionally install docs/requirements.txt if it's there, if not install test-requirements.txt if it's there? | 15:22 | |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | the issue with the horizon/neutron jobs was they couldn't install a dependency | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | sure, just loop over a list of all of these files and try to install based on whatever ones are found | 15:23 |
| mordred | since docs/requirements.txt files, once they exist, should contain sphinx/openstackdocstheme requirements for the projects where appropriate | 15:23 |
| mordred | cool. I can get that updated in the stack | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | then we need to start a mailing list thread explaining to people what is going on and what changes they can make to anticipate the end state for the job | 15:23 |
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| AJaeger | note: 10 repos have doc/requirements.txt, 5 fuel and 5 other | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | and we probably need to leave cleaning that job up so it doesn't install extra stuff until after the first of the year, if not the end of the cycle | 15:24 |
| fungi | down-side to making things install everything whether or not they need it is that it becomes increasingly hard to clean that up later | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | we have the patches AJaeger has proposed to stop setting the version | 15:24 |
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| dhellmann | that was the main reason projects needed themselves installed | 15:24 |
| AJaeger | mordred: I can abandon 521104 and let you do it cleanly... | 15:24 |
| fungi | like, we're getting started removing the deprecated bindep fallback list finally, and we really have no way to know what that's going to break | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | we still have some using oslosphinx and we can address those | 15:24 |
| ttx | it's still ok to approve jobs now (and let random releasenotes job fail), or should we wait to approve in some cases? | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | it should be ok to release things | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | the release notes build every time any patch merges | 15:25 |
| ttx | right | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | it's just that we only see the failure notices for jobs in the release queues | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | Good point. | 15:25 |
| mordred | related to this, but also a different topic to tee up potentially - is publishing server projects to PyPI - which would also remove some of the weirdness with horizon and neutron plugin repos | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | do you mean just publish them all? | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | There is definitely a group of users who do want them published. | 15:26 |
| mordred | well, yes - that's the overall thing I'd like to advocate - but we have a potential weirdness issue with keystone | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | I would be fine with that. I think ttx has given reasons not to in the past? | 15:26 |
| AJaeger | we can now merge https://review.openstack.org/520763 - we don't need the horizon/neutron variants of releasenotes anymore and thus have the same setup for post and check - the extra requirements in post are the problem | 15:26 |
| mordred | in that there is a keystone on pypi already - even though it seems abandoned - we need to contact its maintainer and see if we can take it over | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | before we get too far into that, who is going to write the email about what's going on with the release notes job? | 15:26 |
| fungi | i'm unsure whether publishing them to pypi solves that, because the plugins/drivers want to test and build against development branches of those services and not lag a release cycle behind them | 15:26 |
| ttx | there was a discussion in a far past that it was encouraging installing from pip | 15:27 |
| mordred | fungi: that's all handled by tox-siblings just fine though | 15:27 |
| fungi | ahh, good point | 15:27 |
| ttx | but I'd say with "some" being present that ship has sailed | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | fungi : good point | 15:27 |
| ttx | or that bridge was burnt | 15:27 |
| mordred | ttx: ++ | 15:27 |
| ttx | or whatever analogy works best | 15:27 |
| mordred | ttx: also there was the 'pip install nova does not provide a working nova' argument, but again, I think ship-sailed/bridge-burnt | 15:28 |
| ttx | basically we have 3 things | 15:28 |
| ttx | things that were at some point published and look weird on Pypi | 15:28 |
| ttx | things that were always published | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | if we keep the "do not publish to pypi" job we can move projects as needed | 15:28 |
| fungi | `pip install openstackclient` doesn't provide a working openstackclient either, because you still need to configure it | 15:28 |
| ttx | things that were never published | 15:28 |
| * AJaeger needs to really step out now... | 15:28 | |
| fungi | thanks AJaeger! | 15:28 |
| ttx | We tried to clean up 1s and remove 3s | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | thanks, AJaeger | 15:28 |
| mordred | dhellmann: ++ - I think that's the way forward regardless - if we're ok with it as an overall approach, we could start publshing horizon and neutron and at least unstick that stuff | 15:29 |
| ttx | but there was always a good reason to keep some 3s | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | fwiw, at Dreamhost we installed all of the services with pip then built our own debs of the results | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | Never published? | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Do you mean 2's? | 15:29 |
| fungi | mordred: how does tox-siblings handle projects with different names on pypi than their repo names? (or does it?) | 15:29 |
| ttx | would there be a way to explain that that it might not result in a functional install and you should rtfm? | 15:29 |
| fungi | e.g., keystone | 15:30 |
| ttx | see "things" mentioned above | 15:30 |
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| dhellmann | using tox-siblings requires a job variant, doesn't it? | 15:30 |
| mordred | fungi: it reads the setup.cfg files of the repos | 15:30 |
| ttx | 2= things that were always published | 15:30 |
| fungi | ahh, okay | 15:30 |
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| smcginnis | ttx: Right, you were saying there are good reasons to keep some things never published? | 15:30 |
| mordred | dhellmann: oh - yes indeed - so it actually won't solve the releasenotes job issue that AJaeger's version patches are solving | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | we were trying to avoid having job variants for the release notes jobs | 15:31 |
| ttx | smcginnis: oh, yes. sorry | 15:31 |
| ttx | smcginnis: always good reason to keep things published | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | mordred : right | 15:31 |
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| dhellmann | so we've drifted into 2 discussions without finishing the first | 15:31 |
| ttx | so rather than flight it, maybe we should just publish them all for consistency | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | who is going to write the email explaining the changes to the release notes job? | 15:31 |
| ttx | fight* | 15:31 |
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| mordred | dhellmann: yah - I think the current stack will fix the variants issue - I apologize for context-shift - the variants need in releasenotes just reminded me of the horizon/neutron pip weirdness issue | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | ttx: That would simplify a lot of things, even if the results aren't always "useful". | 15:32 |
| mordred | dhellmann: I can write a draft if you like when I'm done with this patch stack | 15:32 |
| fungi | i would volunteer to write that announcement, but i wasn't around for the changes and didn't review them so expect someone who was involved may do a better job of explaining | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | mordred : thank you | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: I was thinking AJaeger would be a good one for that, but maybe someone else from infra would be willing? | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | mordred: Thanks | 15:32 |
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| smcginnis | #action mordred to write draft email explaining release notes job changes | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | do we need to discuss the change to publish more projects to pypi? | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | Second item - publishing all to pypi - what do we need to move forward there? | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | if we start changing jobs, we will break some validation in the releases repo | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | so we need to announce the change in advance and probably change that validation logic to be more flexible again | 15:34 |
| mordred | ++ | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | we should also make it opt-in, I guess? | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | let projects choose to publish themselves? | 15:34 |
| mordred | that's probably a great start, yeah | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | maybe go ahead and propose horizon and neutron | 15:34 |
| mordred | and gives us time/flexibility to deal with keystone | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | and then just allow whatever other projects want to do | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | and the keystone team can sort their thing out, right | 15:34 |
| fungi | opt-in initially, but we could say that in the future we expect to make it mandatory for projects used as dependencies by other projects at least | 15:35 |
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| dhellmann | sure, that would let us get rid of the constraints installer script, I think | 15:35 |
| mordred | +100 to making it mandatory for projects needed as dependencies and banning the current neutron/horizon approach | 15:35 |
| fungi | i.e., that we plan to stop allownig official deliverables to declare dependencies on things not published to pypi | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | prometheanfire and dirk may be happy about that | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | cool, so someone needs to write all of that up | 15:36 |
| * mordred would LOVE to get rid of tox_install.sh ... once we do, I also think writing a $something - maybe in the PTI, maybe elsewhere, which explains that it is our intent to not need scripts like that ... but we can deal with that later | 15:36 | |
| mordred | dhellmann: I can do that after the other email - it seems like this is my brainspace today :) | 15:37 |
| ttx | wondering if we should not just do it | 15:37 |
| ttx | as part of the release process | 15:37 |
| fungi | i think dropping tox_install.sh will be predicated on us getting the local ansible for developers to run jobs situation well-trodden | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I'm not sure I see what you mean? | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | So we would need to 1) update validation logic to be more flexible, 2) start ML thread on the plan to change things to publish, and 3) work with projects to not have implicit dependencies on non-published services? | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | I can handle the validation logic change | 15:37 |
| ttx | I find it confusing that only some of our services are there | 15:38 |
| ttx | and that requires two code paths | 15:38 |
| mordred | ttx: yah - I think we eventually want all of them to be there - it just may take a minute or two to get them there | 15:38 |
| ttx | oh sure | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, for consistency sake, I think I would rather have all or nothing. Simplifies our tooling too. | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:38 |
| fungi | and as discussed previously, we'd like to not break ci for those projects in the process | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | but we know already that we have 1 project that we can't publish | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | do we know that is the only one? | 15:39 |
| smcginnis | #action dhellmann to update validation logic be more flexible | 15:39 |
| fungi | there are at least two i know of which have name collisions on pypi | 15:39 |
| ttx | arh | 15:39 |
| smcginnis | #action mordred to draft ML post about pypi publishing plans | 15:39 |
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| ttx | oh well, maybe ad-hoc publishing is the solution then | 15:40 |
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| smcginnis | #info Need to look for and work through naming conflicts for other projects on pypi | 15:40 |
| ttx | i.e. continue having two options | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | Maybe all packages should get prepended "openstack-". | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : https://review.openstack.org/521115 should cover my piece | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | openstack-keystone | 15:41 |
| fungi | keeping the repo name and module name unchanged but using a different package name on pypi to avoid collisions should be reasonably tractable | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: That was quick! | 15:41 |
| ttx | 2-minute rule | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | fungi : good point, we could just change the dist name for keystone to openstack-keystone | 15:42 |
| ttx | fungi: ok | 15:42 |
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| fungi | right, exactly that | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | although the python package name would still collide | 15:42 |
| fungi | mordred says tox-siblings already handles that case by parsing setup | 15:42 |
| ttx | so maybe the idea is to have them all there, and if name collision on first upload use an alias | 15:42 |
| smcginnis | Less likely someone would want to install both openstack-keystone and keystone, right? | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | I mean if someone did pip install keystone and pip install openstack-keystone they would be trying to write to the same directory | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | I would hope, if "not-openstack-keystone" is deprecated that no one is using it | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | but who knows | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | I guess if they are using it, they already have the path collision problem | 15:43 |
| smcginnis | venv or containers FTW. | 15:43 |
| fungi | we might be able to do some hacky install_requires tricks with a greedy version exclusion to make it not install them together | 15:44 |
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| smcginnis | Should we stew on this part for a bit. Not sure we are going to solve it in the next 15 minutes. | 15:44 |
| fungi | yeah, no need to design in-meeting | 15:44 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, we can also proceed under the assumption that we'll solve that somehow | 15:45 |
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| smcginnis | Back to having a plan come together. ;) | 15:45 |
| fungi | love it | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | #topic Cycle highlights | 15:46 |
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| smcginnis | I held off on anything more on this with the summit. | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | But I think we have everything in place that we wanted to. | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | ttx: We did not want those linked somewhere for now, correct? | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | We would just provide the link to journalists asking for updates, IIRC. | 15:47 |
| ttx | right | 15:47 |
| fungi | eventually the idea was to have a per-release page aggregating the highlights entries across deliverables, right? | 15:47 |
| ttx | no need to link to it from releases.o.o/ | 15:48 |
| fungi | is that being published, and we're just not going to link to it prominently? | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | #action smcginnis to draft ML post announcing the plan for PTLs to add cycle highlights. | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Yep: https://releases.openstack.org/queens/highlights.html | 15:48 |
| fungi | got it | 15:48 |
| fungi | seems reasonable | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | So as teams add highlights to their deliverables, those will be compiled into the output there. | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | Grouped by team. | 15:49 |
| fungi | a cool design, for sure | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | I think we want something like the "top 3 highlights", but we do not have anything restricting that content at the moment. | 15:49 |
| ttx | yes, should make everyone's lives much easier | 15:49 |
| ttx | it's fine if there are 2 or 4, it's more what to shoot for | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | Depending how this goes, I think we may want to just link it off of https://releases.openstack.org/queens/ like we do for the schedule. | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | But that can be something to discuss in the future. | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | First we need to get people to start using it. | 15:51 |
| ttx | yeah, let's see how it goes | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 15:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:51 | |
| ttx | I think in our discussion we came up with good reasons not to link it | 15:51 |
| ttx | like you want marketers to extract themes from it | 15:52 |
| smcginnis | ttx: I couldn't remember the reason for that, but I'm sure there is a good one. | 15:52 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Oh, marketing themes sounds logical. | 15:52 |
| ttx | it's basically an input doc, not an ouput | 15:52 |
| smcginnis | Good point. | 15:52 |
| ttx | raw data rather than something you want regular humans to consume | 15:52 |
| smcginnis | Just wanted to bring up, next Thursday is a holiday in the US. Do we still want the meeting next Friday, or will folks be travelling or be in a food coma? | 15:53 |
| ttx | took me a minute to remember it | 15:53 |
| ttx | I'll be around, but ok to skip | 15:53 |
| smcginnis | I think I will be travelling, but shouldn't be a problem to still hold the meeting. | 15:53 |
| smcginnis | Might actually be a nice excuse to hide for a bit. :) | 15:53 |
| fungi | i'll be in a car at meeting time, but don't skip on my account | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | I'll be off friday | 15:54 |
| ttx | yay skip | 15:54 |
| smcginnis | #info No meeting next week | 15:54 |
| smcginnis | That was easy. | 15:54 |
| smcginnis | Anything else in the next 5 minutes to discuss? | 15:54 |
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| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/521119 and https://review.openstack.org/521120 should help address the release notes job issue | 15:55 |
| smcginnis | OK, let's wrap then. Thanks everyone. | 15:55 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Oh, great! | 15:55 |
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| smcginnis | Alright, see you all in channel. | 15:56 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:56 | |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Nov 17 15:56:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-11-17-15.00.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-11-17-15.00.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-11-17-15.00.log.html | 15:56 |
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