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| eumel8 | pling | 07:00 |
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| eumel8 | Good morning! | 07:01 |
| eumel8 | who's there for the I18n team meeting? :) | 07:01 |
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| gmann | #startmeeting qa | 07:58 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 16 07:58:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:58 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 07:58 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 07:58 |
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| gmann | who all here today | 07:58 |
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| mguiney | o/ | 07:59 |
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| masayukig | o/ | 08:00 |
| masayukig | heh, it's a bit early start :) | 08:00 |
| gmann | oh | 08:00 |
| gmann | let's wait for couple of min | 08:01 |
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| * masayukig nods | 08:02 | |
| andreaf | o/ | 08:02 |
| apart | o/ I am on my mobile phone | 08:02 |
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| gmann | let's start | 08:02 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_Nov_16th_2017_.280800_UTC.29 | 08:02 |
| gmann | today agenda ^^ | 08:02 |
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| gmann | no action item from previous meeting | 08:03 |
| gmann | #topic Sydney Summit | 08:03 |
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| gmann | we finished summit last week and few forum, onboarding sessions etc | 08:04 |
| gmann | hope all are back from sydney :) | 08:04 |
| masayukig | :) | 08:04 |
| * andreaf enjoying Bristol's rain and wind | 08:05 | |
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| gmann | we got couple of feedback on qa | 08:05 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-forum-qa-tools-plugins | 08:05 |
| gmann | andreaf: nice. | 08:05 |
| gmann | member who missed sydney summit can refer that etherpad | 08:06 |
| masayukig | gmann: yeah, I think more attendees were there, though. | 08:07 |
| apart | Sure | 08:07 |
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| gmann | masayukig: 4-5 :) | 08:07 |
| gmann | but good progress | 08:07 |
| gmann | andreaf: anything else on summit things | 08:07 |
| masayukig | gmann: yup, it was not that much | 08:08 |
| andreaf | one of the things we discussed during that session was the possibility of having a QA SIG - I will send en email soon to kick off the proposal | 08:08 |
| gmann | yea | 08:08 |
| chandankumar | \o/ | 08:08 |
| andreaf | the idea is to create a forum where people doing downstream qa may come together and share experiences and tools | 08:08 |
| andreaf | and possible take some more of those into upstream | 08:09 |
| gmann | yea, that will help on extreme testing and cross community testing things | 08:09 |
| andreaf | that's my hope | 08:10 |
| masayukig | nice, the "downstream" includes not only distros and operators but also opnfv, too? | 08:10 |
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| gmann | masayukig: yea | 08:10 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: gmann the SIG will also help to improve calloboaration between communities | 08:10 |
| andreaf | masayukig: sure well anyone is welcome to join | 08:10 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: count me in | 08:10 |
| andreaf | masayukig: and one hope is indeed that that could be a better forum from opnfv folks to discuss things QA | 08:10 |
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| andreaf | chandankumar: nice thanks | 08:11 |
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| masayukig | andreaf: yeah, I hope so | 08:11 |
| chandankumar | apart from Sig, i have general question how we can do a survery how people are using tempest in their deloyment environment | 08:11 |
| andreaf | let's see what the response is from the users/operators community | 08:11 |
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| gmann | yea | 08:11 |
| masayukig | +1 | 08:12 |
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| andreaf | chandankumar: well we've been doing that question at summits for a while | 08:12 |
| gmann | chandankumar: we do not have user survey for qa but doing in forum sessions | 08:12 |
| andreaf | chandankumar: unfortunately QA is not in the user survey | 08:12 |
| gmann | yea | 08:12 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: i think we can add that in user survey as QA plays a vital role | 08:12 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: gmann do we publish the feedback somewhere from the forum? | 08:14 |
| gmann | chandankumar: its in etherpad | 08:14 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-forum-qa-tools-plugins | 08:14 |
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| gmann | but thing is we do not get much people sharing feedback on qa. | 08:15 |
| * chandankumar goes through the etherpad and will add comments | 08:15 | |
| gmann | let's move next | 08:15 |
| gmann | #topic Office Hours Summary | 08:15 |
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| gmann | no office hour last week. so skipping it | 08:15 |
| chandankumar | yup | 08:16 |
| gmann | #topic Tempest | 08:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest (Meeting topic: qa)" | 08:16 | |
| chandankumar | gmann: can you volunteer next office hour? i will be in someone's else marriage. | 08:16 |
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| gmann | Zuul V3 patches - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:zuulv3-tempest | 08:16 |
| gmann | chandankumar: sure | 08:16 |
| chandankumar | gmann: thanks :-) | 08:16 |
| gmann | andreaf: seems like no much review on zuul v3 | 08:16 |
| martinkopec | hi, I'd have a question about zuulv3 in general | 08:17 |
| gmann | i definitely will try to start tomorrow | 08:17 |
| * masayukig will pass the next office hour because of the national holiday in Japan | 08:17 | |
| andreaf | chandankumar: "can you volunteer" :D | 08:17 |
| gmann | but everyone are welcome to review zuulv3 patch to get those in soon | 08:18 |
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| gmann | martinkopec: sure go ahead | 08:18 |
| andreaf | martinkopec: sure what's your question | 08:18 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: :-) | 08:18 |
| martinkopec | gmann, andreaf thanks, I've encountered problems with running commands like 'openstack user list' from shell module in ansible | 08:18 |
| martinkopec | http://logs.openstack.org/30/513330/40/check/python-tempestconf-tempest-devstack/bfa725b/job-output.txt.gz#_2017-11-15_13_59_46_158522 | 08:18 |
| martinkopec | but it works, when I use os modules instead .. | 08:18 |
| martinkopec | therefor I think it could be environment related | 08:18 |
| martinkopec | have you seen something like this? | 08:19 |
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| andreaf | martinkopec: so using the os modules should be fine | 08:19 |
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| martinkopec | andreaf, yes | 08:19 |
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| andreaf | martinkopec: but otherwise what I find handy is to pass --os-cloud=devstack-admin | 08:20 |
| andreaf | or --os-cloud=devstack | 08:20 |
| andreaf | depending on whether you use admin or not | 08:20 |
| martinkopec | andreaf, here's the role https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513330/ | 08:20 |
| andreaf | since that removes the need for environment variables | 08:20 |
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| martinkopec | andreaf, I've sourced admin credentials, so it should be fine | 08:20 |
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| andreaf | martinkopec: if you use openstack CLI I find it more convenient to pass os-cloud as long as you use one of devstack defaults accounts since that's already setup for you | 08:23 |
| gmann | martinkopec: andreaf i also think sourced one should work. anyways let's debug it on qa after mneeting | 08:23 |
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| masayukig | gmann: +1 | 08:24 |
| martinkopec | gmann, andreaf thanks, ok , let's have a look then | 08:24 |
| gmann | anything else on tempest side | 08:24 |
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| gmann | let move if nothing | 08:26 |
| gmann | #topic Critical Reviews | 08:26 |
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| gmann | any critical review | 08:26 |
| gmann | i have one to make cleanup working - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/515253/ | 08:26 |
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| andreaf | gmann: ok I will check today | 08:27 |
| gmann | andreaf: thanks, it is quick one | 08:27 |
| * andreaf has to leave for a moment, g'day everyone | 08:27 | |
| gmann | let's jump to open | 08:27 |
| gmann | #topic Open Discussion | 08:28 |
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| gmann | anything more to discuss on any topic | 08:28 |
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| chandankumar | masayukig: gmann andreaf love to get some feedback on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489421/ spec from qa side | 08:29 |
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| gmann | is it to auto generate config for tempest? | 08:30 |
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| chandankumar | gmann: yup | 08:31 |
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| gmann | chandankumar: ok. i am not sure about that as that might cause issues. | 08:32 |
| gmann | anyways its on refstack client side. | 08:32 |
| masayukig | chandankumar: yeah, I put it on my list. | 08:32 |
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| gmann | anything else or we can close it little early | 08:33 |
| chandankumar | gmann: masayukig thanks :-) | 08:33 |
| gmann | thanks all for joining | 08:34 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 08:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 16 08:34:50 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-11-16-07.58.html | 08:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-11-16-07.58.txt | 08:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-11-16-07.58.log.html | 08:34 |
| mguiney | o/ | 08:35 |
| mguiney | sorry to lurk | 08:36 |
| mguiney | just still trying to how do thing | 08:36 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 16 14:00:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| tssurya | o/ | 14:00 |
| ttsiouts | o/ | 14:01 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:01 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:01 |
| ttsiouts | Hi Everyone! I just wanted to introduce myself. | 14:01 |
| efried | \o | 14:01 |
| mriedem | hi | 14:01 |
| ttsiouts | I am Thodoris. I am a new member in the Cern Cloud Team. | 14:01 |
| jamemcc_ | #startmeeting LCOO | 14:01 |
| openstack | jamemcc_: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 14:02 |
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| mriedem | jamemcc_: time change | 14:02 |
| jamemcc_ | whoops sorry ignore me | 14:02 |
| mriedem | ttsiouts: same team as tssurya? | 14:02 |
| tssurya | mriedem : yes | 14:02 |
| mriedem | cool, welcome | 14:02 |
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| ttsiouts | mriedem: yes | 14:02 |
| ttsiouts | thanks!! | 14:02 |
| mriedem | alright let's get started | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:03 | |
| mriedem | #link Queens release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Queens_Release_Schedule | 14:03 |
| mriedem | #info q-2 milestone is December 7 | 14:03 |
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| mriedem | 3 weeks away | 14:03 |
| mriedem | #info Blueprints: 60 targeted, 49 approved, 2 complete | 14:03 |
| mriedem | any questions about the release? | 14:03 |
| * bauzas waves | 14:03 | |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:04 | |
| mriedem | there are no critical bugs | 14:04 |
| mriedem | #info 22 new untriaged bugs (up 10 from two weeks ago) | 14:04 |
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| mriedem | gate status is ok | 14:04 |
| bauzas | yeah I need to look at them | 14:04 |
| mriedem | nothing major | 14:04 |
| mriedem | no news for 3rd party CI | 14:04 |
| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:04 | |
| mriedem | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 14:05 |
| mriedem | #info Pike 16.0.3 released | 14:05 |
| mriedem | #link Etherpad for bugs tracked for Pike backports: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-pike-bug-fix-backports | 14:05 |
| mriedem | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | #info Ocata 15.0.8 released | 14:05 |
| mriedem | #link stable/newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | #link Working on Newton 14.0.10 release: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519827/ | 14:05 |
| mriedem | once that newton release is done we'll end of life the stable/newton branch | 14:06 |
| mriedem | any questions about stable? | 14:06 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:06 | |
| mriedem | there was no cells v2 meeting this week | 14:06 |
| mriedem | edleafe: scheduler highlights? | 14:06 |
| edleafe | Not much to report - still catching up after Sydney | 14:06 |
| efried | There was no scheduler meeting. | 14:07 |
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| mriedem | ok | 14:07 |
| efried | But placement work proceeds apace. | 14:07 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: api meeting highlights? | 14:07 |
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| mriedem | nope, ok | 14:08 |
| mriedem | gibi: notification meeting highlights? | 14:08 |
| gibi | just two things | 14:08 |
| gibi | the bp service-create-destroy-notification has patch up now and we iterated on a bit already. It seems quite simple and close to completion. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519588/ | 14:08 |
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| gibi | and both the notification transformation and the notification sample clean progresses steadily #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:refactor-notification-samples #link http://burndown.peermore.com/nova-notification/ | 14:08 |
| gibi | that is all | 14:08 |
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| mriedem | ok | 14:09 |
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| mriedem | as for nova/cinder, we are waiting on cinder changes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519025/ | 14:09 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stuck reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:09 | |
| mriedem | there was nothing in the agenda - does anyone have something they want to bring up here? | 14:09 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:10 | |
| mriedem | 1. Complete VMware serial console log (patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450636/ blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-console-log-complete) | 14:10 |
| mriedem | i don't see rado around | 14:10 |
| mriedem | or cdent | 14:10 |
| mriedem | from what i've looked at this, it's a pretty small patch to add serial console support to the vcenter driver, | 14:11 |
| mriedem | seems pretty trivial for a feature parity change, so i'm ok with adding it for queens at this point | 14:11 |
| mriedem | any disagreements? | 14:11 |
| mriedem | ok moving on | 14:12 |
| mriedem | 2. NVMEoF initiator change patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482640/) blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nvme-over-fabirc-nova) - moshele | 14:12 |
| mriedem | moshe isn't around, but this is a libvirt volume driver adapter for os-brick | 14:12 |
| mriedem | and a new cinder backend | 14:12 |
| mriedem | the cinder bp has been approved | 14:12 |
| mriedem | and since this is just a specless blueprint to allow libvirt to work with those volumes, and is pretty trivial, i'm ok with this one too | 14:13 |
| mriedem | any disagreements? | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems fine to me | 14:13 |
| mriedem | alright then | 14:13 |
| mriedem | 3. openstack-tox-py27 job issue in nova-specs ( http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124614.html ) - takashin | 14:13 |
| takashin | About nova-specs. | 14:13 |
| takashin | When a spec file is added or modified, the 'openstack-tox-py27' job should be executed. But not. | 14:13 |
| mriedem | have you figured out why openstack-tox-py27 isn't being run on nova-specs changes? | 14:14 |
| mriedem | it's probably something in the openstack-zuul-jobs repo | 14:14 |
| takashin | I have no ideas. | 14:14 |
| mriedem | ok, i can investigate later | 14:14 |
| takashin | Thank you. | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | np, thanks for finding the issue | 14:14 |
| mriedem | alright that's all i have, i'll open it up for discussion | 14:14 |
| mriedem | ok i guess we're all ready to get back to work | 14:15 |
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| mriedem | thanks everyone | 14:15 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:15 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 16 14:15:38 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-11-16-14.00.html | 14:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-11-16-14.00.txt | 14:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-11-16-14.00.log.html | 14:15 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 16 22:00:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | hi there! | 22:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 22:00 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | armax: ping | 22:01 |
| mlavalle | let's wait a couple of minutes to see if amotoki and armax join | 22:02 |
| mlavalle | and don't see amotoki on line, though | 22:02 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: did the local time of the meeting change for you? | 22:02 |
| yamamoto | no | 22:03 |
| ihrachys | they don't move tz | 22:03 |
| ihrachys | smart of them | 22:03 |
| mlavalle | is this good for you, ihrachys? | 22:03 |
| ihrachys | it's ok, it's better | 22:03 |
| mlavalle | cool | 22:03 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's get going | 22:04 |
| mlavalle | This is what we have for today | 22:04 |
| mlavalle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:04 |
| mlavalle | First one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1690425 | 22:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1690425 in neutron "[RFE] neutron cells aware" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:05 |
| mlavalle | I had a conversation with GoDaddy about this on this flying back from Sydney | 22:06 |
| mlavalle | with Chris | 22:06 |
| mlavalle | the summary of it is that he would see a lot of benefir if we were able to improve the performance of the RPC bus | 22:07 |
| mlavalle | by using message routing like suggested by armax in #5 | 22:08 |
| mlavalle | comment^^^ | 22:09 |
| mlavalle | but he also says they would see a lot of benefit in Neutron in moving Neutron to a configuration where cells would be reflected in Neutron | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, I haven't seen the video. is it some new driver in oslo.messaging? not rabbit? | 22:09 |
| mlavalle | for failure domain isolaion pruposes | 22:09 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys: I don't think it is in oslo yet | 22:10 |
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| mlavalle | the presentation was more of the general concept of the approach | 22:10 |
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| ihrachys | I'll watch the video some day later | 22:11 |
| mlavalle | so maybe the next step is to update the RFE with the comments from GoDaddy | 22:12 |
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| mlavalle | and ping other large deployers, like CERN and seek their feedback | 22:12 |
| mlavalle | and revisit in a futuire meeting | 22:12 |
| mlavalle | thoughts? | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | + | 22:13 |
| yamamoto | how was "Cells V2 update and direction" forum? | 22:13 |
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| mlavalle | it was more of very tactical issues that they have found in deployments | 22:13 |
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| mlavalle | there is no real change in the way they are implemented | 22:14 |
| mlavalle | in fact they used the same high level architecture I posted in comment #8 | 22:15 |
| mlavalle | so we should continue using that as reference | 22:15 |
| mlavalle | does that answer the question, yamamoto ? | 22:15 |
| yamamoto | yes thank you | 22:15 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 22:16 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1692490 | 22:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1692490 in neutron "[RFE] Ability to migrate a non-Segment subnet to a Segment" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:16 |
| mlavalle | Harald responded to the questions posted last time we discussed this RFE | 22:17 |
| mlavalle | based on those responses I think the RFE is feasible | 22:17 |
| mlavalle | and makes sense | 22:18 |
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| ihrachys | yes, makes sense to provide a way to enable new feature for existing resources | 22:18 |
| yamamoto | +1 | 22:19 |
| mlavalle | so I think we can approve it | 22:19 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys: do you know if Harald will work on the implementation? | 22:20 |
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| ihrachys | no idea, I don't know him at all (I think I don't) | 22:21 |
| mlavalle | cool, I'll ask in the RFE | 22:21 |
| mlavalle | done | 22:22 |
| mlavalle | I'll skip the next one, becuase poster didn't respond to the clarifying questions we asked last time | 22:23 |
| mlavalle | so the next one to discuss here is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1705536 | 22:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705536 in neutron "[RFE] L3-agent agent-mode dvr bridge." [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:23 |
| mlavalle | We discussed this one with David this morning during the L3 sub-team meeting | 22:24 |
| yamamoto | don't you remove "rfe" tag from approved one? | 22:24 |
| * mlavalle will do that in a minute, forgot | 22:24 | |
| mlavalle | David understood the reasons to postpone it | 22:25 |
| mlavalle | In fact, David and other Intel guys won't be working on OpenStack anymore | 22:25 |
| mlavalle | that includes Sean K Mooney | 22:25 |
| ihrachys | oh | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | however the L3 subteam wants to keep this as a possibility for the future, once we stabilize DVR jobs | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | so I'll mark it as delayed | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | postponed I meant | 22:27 |
| mlavalle | any comments? | 22:27 |
| ihrachys | that's good | 22:27 |
| yamamoto | its fine | 22:28 |
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| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1705719 | 22:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705719 in neutron "[RFE] QinQ network driver" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Trevor McCasland (twm2016) | 22:28 |
| mlavalle | I don't think Trevor answered to questions | 22:29 |
| mlavalle | I don't have anything to say at the moment until we get a response | 22:29 |
| mlavalle | do others have comments? | 22:29 |
| ihrachys | no | 22:30 |
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| yamamoto | no | 22:30 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1705719 | 22:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705719 in neutron "[RFE] QinQ network driver" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Trevor McCasland (twm2016) | 22:30 |
| ihrachys | time loop! | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | ups | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | this is the one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1705755 | 22:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705755 in neutron "[RFE] Plugin support for API resource attribute extensions" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | amotoki left a lengthy comment in #14 | 22:32 |
| mlavalle | addressing the long, medium and short term form his point of view | 22:32 |
| mlavalle | not only from client point of view but also API | 22:33 |
| ihrachys | "Ideally all vendor API extensions are upstreamed defined in neutron-lib, but this is perhaps not acceptable though." | 22:34 |
| ihrachys | I am not sure what we are talking about here. api definitions? | 22:34 |
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| ihrachys | aren't we moving everything in stadium into the lib right now | 22:34 |
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| mlavalle | yeah, but I think he also referes to non-stadium | 22:35 |
| mlavalle | which is what triggered this RFE, IIUC | 22:35 |
| ihrachys | oh ok | 22:35 |
| ihrachys | and they can't contribute those extensions to neutron-liB? | 22:36 |
| mlavalle | at least that is the assumption that is being made | 22:36 |
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| mlavalle | so maybe we should ask that question in the RFE as next step | 22:37 |
| mlavalle | why not add all those extensions to the lib? | 22:37 |
| ihrachys | yeah. first probably to understand what those apis are about. | 22:38 |
| ihrachys | maybe it's something silly, very vendor specific | 22:38 |
| mlavalle | yeah | 22:38 |
| mlavalle | and the good thing as that boden is the submitter | 22:38 |
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| mlavalle | he must have a good insight on that | 22:38 |
| ihrachys | but in general, I was hoping that consolidation of apis in neutron-lib would open doors to us closing the api extensibility hole | 22:39 |
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| ihrachys | it may break a few but it doesn't seem the list of affected projects is too long | 22:39 |
| ihrachys | vmware and cisco and bigswitch are probably the most popular | 22:39 |
| mlavalle | which I think is what amotoki suggests ultimately | 22:40 |
| ihrachys | so we could have a look at what they extend | 22:40 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 22:40 |
| ihrachys | total agreement that --extra shouldn't be supported in any way | 22:40 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: thoughts? | 22:41 |
| yamamoto | it sounds reasonable. i haven't finished reading amotoki's long comment though. | 22:43 |
| mlavalle | I suggest adding a comment there suggesting addition of all those extensions to the lib's api definition | 22:44 |
| mlavalle | and see what comments we get back | 22:44 |
| mlavalle | agree? | 22:44 |
| ihrachys | yeah, also explaining that they may face problems extending neutron api in the way they do in the future | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | so that they have a motive to look into it | 22:45 |
| mlavalle | yeah, there will be a price | 22:45 |
| mlavalle | they won't be on their own anymore and that has benefits but also costs | 22:45 |
| yamamoto | agree | 22:46 |
| mlavalle | cool | 22:46 |
| mlavalle | let's move on | 22:46 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1715386 | 22:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1715386 in neutron "[RFE]Support routing traffic based on subnet" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:47 |
| yamamoto | maybe we should ask vendors as well? i guess they are not following the rfe. | 22:47 |
| ihrachys | yamamoto, + I think that was part of the plan. if not, let's make it. | 22:47 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: yes, we should do that | 22:47 |
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| ihrachys | ask every vendor to list their apis and explain why they need them and what they do | 22:48 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 22:48 |
| mlavalle | to make sure we all turned the page, next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1715386 | 22:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1715386 in neutron "[RFE]Support routing traffic based on subnet" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:49 |
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| armax | shoot, I got the timezone wrong! | 22:50 |
| mlavalle | armax: welcome | 22:50 |
| armax | I guess I am too late :) | 22:50 |
| mlavalle | to Standard Time | 22:50 |
| mlavalle | well, 10 minutes to go | 22:50 |
| mlavalle | where we can enjoy yor company | 22:51 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 22:51 |
| armax | I brought cookies | 22:51 |
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| ihrachys | I am not following the rfe. so they want multiple gateways per router, and then somehow specify (on subnet?) which to use? | 22:52 |
| mlavalle | no, it is about routing traffic based on the source | 22:52 |
| mlavalle | and in the future, maybe, based on that, generalize the mechanism to do policy based routing | 22:53 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, so it's configured on router | 22:53 |
| mlavalle | correct | 22:54 |
| armax | from the simplest point of you you can simply hit a different gateway based on the nature of the traffic or the source | 22:54 |
| ihrachys | and how do we define where traffic goes? I presume it's multiple gateways? | 22:54 |
| armax | there’s different ways in which you can do that with iptables for instance | 22:54 |
| armax | I think the way to abstract this via the API is gonna be tricky | 22:54 |
| armax | that’s why I suggested the flavor approach | 22:54 |
| armax | wehre you can embed the policy rules in the router itself and hide the implementation to the user | 22:55 |
| ihrachys | ok, so we could first allow multiple gateways (and round robin them); then as another step, allow to pick one based on traffic pattern / source | 22:55 |
| armax | ihrachys: think about this one | 22:55 |
| armax | http://www.linuxhorizon.ro/iproute2.html | 22:55 |
| armax | in this example the routing is done based on the type of traffic | 22:56 |
| armax | rather where the traffic is coming from | 22:56 |
| armax | but the concept doesn’t change | 22:56 |
| armax | it’s the rules that change | 22:56 |
| mlavalle | yeap, same concept | 22:57 |
| armax | I think what I find challenging here is how to come up with a high level abstraction to capture the policy rule | 22:57 |
| armax | but at the same time powerful enough that you can do something useful with it | 22:57 |
| ihrachys | classifier may give the model to describe traffic | 22:57 |
| armax | so my main concern is not so much on the implementation but on how to express the policy rules | 22:57 |
| armax | I proposed the author to submit a spec so that we can have a better idea of the scope | 22:58 |
| armax | they intend to shoot for | 22:58 |
| armax | if they are simply interested in bakin a solution into neutron without coming up with a high level API then I think this is doable today already | 22:59 |
| mlavalle | maybe if we agree on the concept, approve the rfe and request a spec to see the details | 22:59 |
| armax | I’d say the rfe should be approved on the basis of how the work looks like | 22:59 |
| armax | otherwise it feels like signing a blank check :) | 22:59 |
| mlavalle | fair enough | 22:59 |
| armax | 1 min to the top of the hour | 22:59 |
| mlavalle | and the work meaning the spec? | 23:00 |
| armax | yeah | 23:00 |
| armax | the proposed approach is important | 23:00 |
| armax | I htink the use case is valid | 23:00 |
| mlavalle | thoughts from others? | 23:00 |
| armax | how we go about it | 23:00 |
| armax | it’s to be agreed | 23:00 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 23:00 |
| ihrachys | ok to wait for spec. hopefully will clarify things I don't get for me. | 23:00 |
| mlavalle | cool | 23:01 |
| mlavalle | time is over | 23:01 |
| armax | OK | 23:01 |
| mlavalle | thanks for attending | 23:01 |
| armax | sorry for missing the bulk of the meeting | 23:01 |
| armax | ttyl | 23:01 |
| mlavalle | see you next time | 23:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 23:01 |
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| armax | bye | 23:01 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 23:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 16 23:01:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-11-16-22.00.html | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-11-16-22.00.txt | 23:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-11-16-22.00.log.html | 23:01 |
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