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| zhiyuan | hi | 01:00 |
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| song | hi | 01:00 |
| xuzhuang | hi | 01:00 |
| dongfeng | Hi | 01:00 |
| RonghUI | hello | 01:00 |
| zhiyuan | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 6 01:00:56 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhiyuan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:01 |
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| zhiyuan | i am going to submit the patch for our queens-2 release today. so queens-2 will include our lb and qos features | 01:01 |
| Yipei_ | hi | 01:01 |
| zhiyuan | hi yipei | 01:02 |
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| zhiyuan | and let's finish the deletion reliability feature in queens-3 | 01:02 |
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| song | that is good. | 01:02 |
| zhiyuan | next let's sync the feature development progress | 01:03 |
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| xuzhuang | for distinguish the direction of request, I have completed plugin.sh | 01:08 |
| Yipei_ | 1) already sent mail to Michael, it seems that he did not get my point, plan to ping him in irc. 2) begin writing spec for l3 networking model | 01:08 |
| song | for deleting reliability I have finished the code.but have not test it yet. | 01:08 |
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| zhiyuan | xuzhuang: yes, i see that. i will test and review your patch today | 01:09 |
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| song | to zhiyuan my code have included your 470659 pr. | 01:09 |
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| zhiyuan | yipei: i also see your mail, yes, need further discussion with Michael i think. for the new l3 networking model, i think you can consider how the existing code can be reused, instead of writing a whole new logic | 01:13 |
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| Yipei_ | to zhiyuan, got it with thanks | 01:15 |
| zhiyuan | song: could you prepare a patch and submit first? and what does "470659 pr" mean? | 01:15 |
| song | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476059 | 01:16 |
| song | I write the code base on your this pull request. | 01:16 |
| zhiyuan | oh, that implementaion only saves "delete" state in memory, so it's not enough | 01:17 |
| zhiyuan | are you changing it to save state in DB? | 01:17 |
| song | I know I have use the db in center? | 01:17 |
| song | I know I have use the db in center | 01:18 |
| song | I will check in the center neutron in delete in db. | 01:18 |
| zhiyuan | that's fine | 01:19 |
| song | I will pull the patch after have tested fine in my own computer. | 01:20 |
| song | but first need wait xuzhuang pr to be merged. | 01:21 |
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| zhiyuan | yes, i will test that patch today and hope it can be merged this week | 01:22 |
| song | that is fine. | 01:22 |
| zhiyuan | then what about the spec for deletion reliability? this feature requires data model change so I will a spec is needed | 01:23 |
| zhiyuan | s/will/think | 01:23 |
| song | that have finished by ronghui. | 01:24 |
| song | he write spec and i finish the code. | 01:24 |
| song | to RonghUI hi? | 01:24 |
| RonghUI | i am here | 01:25 |
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| zhiyuan | hi, please submit the spec once you finish. the spec needs to be merged before the code gets merged | 01:26 |
| RonghUI | if xuzhuang want to do the security group deletion, we need to do some communication about the databases with him | 01:26 |
| xuzhuang | ok | 01:26 |
| song | yes that is right. | 01:26 |
| song | we just use on data table. | 01:27 |
| song | we just use the same data table in data base. | 01:27 |
| RonghUI | since we need to add a table in db for deletion feature | 01:27 |
| zhiyuan | yes, better to design the new model for general purpose so we can easily support other resources later, if needed | 01:28 |
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| song | that is right,can not agree with it more. | 01:28 |
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| zhiyuan | RonghUI: could you finish the spec this week? | 01:30 |
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| RonghUI | most of content has finished | 01:32 |
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| song | perfect! | 01:32 |
| RonghUI | but consider it need to add a table in db | 01:32 |
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| RonghUI | so we need to determine the parameters in this table for deletion | 01:33 |
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| zhiyuan | song: in your current implementation, have you already added a table? | 01:33 |
| song | yes. | 01:33 |
| song | I remember last week meeting ronghui have said the detail of the table. | 01:34 |
| RonghUI | and if xuzhuang want to do the security feature, need a communication for him if any parameters need to add in this table | 01:34 |
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| song | to xuzhuang you can communicate with us use wechart or email that is all ok. | 01:36 |
| xuzhuang | ok | 01:36 |
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| zhiyuan | RonghUI: so I think you can submit your draft spec first, then both xuzhuang and me can see your current idea | 01:36 |
| RonghUI | ok | 01:36 |
| RonghUI | i will submit this spec in one week ASAP | 01:37 |
| zhiyuan | then xuzhuang can think about how to finish the securty group part based on your design | 01:37 |
| RonghUI | ok | 01:37 |
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| xuzhuang | yeah, waiting this spec | 01:38 |
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| zhiyuan | song: what about the bug I mentioned last week? and the service function chain update feature? any update from your team? | 01:40 |
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| song | the bug zxh in doing for it. | 01:42 |
| song | the feature is in testing. | 01:43 |
| RonghUI | good! | 01:43 |
| cyg | to zhiyuan,I am doing the service function chain update feature,but there are some problems with my environment,I will fix it soon and update the sfc code | 01:44 |
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| zhiyuan | great! | 01:45 |
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| zhiyuan | so far for the progress update, any other topics? | 01:46 |
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| RonghUI | no for me | 01:47 |
| song | no for me too. | 01:47 |
| RonghUI | wait for a minutes | 01:47 |
| Yipei_ | no from me | 01:48 |
| xuzhuang | no from me | 01:48 |
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| zhiyuan | RonghUI: please | 01:48 |
| RonghUI | can we talk some for Trio2o, i just saw dongfeng submit a patch in Trio2o | 01:48 |
| RonghUI | if not, we can communicate in Trio2o channe | 01:49 |
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| RonghUI | s/channe/channel | 01:50 |
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| zhiyuan | oh, let's talk this in trio2o channel | 01:50 |
| zhiyuan | openstack-trio2o this channel? | 01:50 |
| RonghUI | yep | 01:51 |
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| zhiyuan | ok, let's finish our meeting, thanks for attending | 01:53 |
| zhiyuan | #endmeeting | 01:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 6 01:53:29 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-12-06-01.00.html | 01:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-12-06-01.00.txt | 01:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-12-06-01.00.log.html | 01:53 |
| song | bye | 01:53 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 01:53 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 04:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 6 04:31:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:31 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 04:31 |
| phuoc__ | Hi all | 04:31 |
| gongysh | phuoc__, hi | 04:31 |
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| phuoc__ | hi gongysh | 04:32 |
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| MinWookKim | Hello :) | 04:32 |
| gongysh | MinWookKim, hi | 04:32 |
| gongysh | yamahata, helo | 04:32 |
| MinWookKim | gongysh, Hello | 04:33 |
| YanXingAn | hello | 04:33 |
| diga | o/ | 04:33 |
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| phuoc__ | o/ | 04:33 |
| janki | o/ | 04:34 |
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| gongysh | helo, all | 04:34 |
| longkb | o/ gongysh | 04:35 |
| gongysh | #topic commit stats | 04:35 |
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| gongysh | http://stackalytics.com/?metric=commits | 04:35 |
| gongysh | our tacker ranks at 79th in commit metric | 04:35 |
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| gongysh | we are lagging too mcuh behind. | 04:36 |
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| phuoc__ | I hope can put some commits in Queens version | 04:37 |
| gongysh | 56tacker198 in reviwe | 04:37 |
| diga | its 91 rank | 04:38 |
| gongysh | diga, your are right. | 04:38 |
| gongysh | so we need put more efforts. | 04:38 |
| diga | gongysh: there are many reasons for this | 04:39 |
| gongysh | lets look at the review data in our tacker projects. | 04:40 |
| gongysh | http://stackalytics.com/?metric=marks&module=tacker-group | 04:40 |
| YanXingAn | end of 2017? | 04:40 |
| gongysh | all the data is bad for tacker projects | 04:40 |
| gongysh | so what do you guys have ideas to improve these data? | 04:41 |
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| phuoc__ | I think we can fix some errors, or add new features | 04:42 |
| gongysh | phuoc__, you are nice to have many contribution. | 04:42 |
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| diga | main problem is, nobody is actively working on tacker except phuoc__ | 04:43 |
| gongysh | diga, any idea? | 04:43 |
| diga | I am owning some stuff and have planned weekly target for tacker for my org | 04:43 |
| diga | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bugs?field.tag=low-hanging-fruit | 04:44 |
| gongysh | diga, you are right | 04:44 |
| diga | 1 bug is resolved and 3 bugs are in progress | 04:44 |
| diga | will finish those by end of this week | 04:44 |
| diga | API-framework base patch should get merged, because its a base template | 04:44 |
| diga | gongysh: need your view on that | 04:45 |
| gongysh | diga , any way, queens focus is k8s vim and vnfs | 04:45 |
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| diga | gongysh: I think every organisation should commit some time for tacker | 04:46 |
| gongysh | diga, fill my name on the patch. | 04:46 |
| diga | gongysh: ok | 04:46 |
| phuoc__ | gongysh, diga, YanXingAn can you guys look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516698/ | 04:46 |
| diga | gongysh: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/520495/ | 04:46 |
| phuoc__ | I think it looks good to be merged this spec | 04:46 |
| gongysh | #topic annoucement | 04:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "annoucement (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:47 | |
| gongysh | queens-2 milestone is close to deadline | 04:47 |
| gongysh | I will move all the tasks queued to queens-3 | 04:47 |
| diga | ok | 04:48 |
| gongysh | we have finished k8s vim now. in queens-3, lets focus on c-vnf impelmentation. | 04:48 |
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| gongysh | so that we have something to be announced. | 04:49 |
| gongysh | of course the vnffg bug and enhancement is also welcom | 04:49 |
| phuoc__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/525089 | 04:49 |
| gongysh | #topic bp | 04:49 |
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| longkb | I found a bug in VNFFG operation while I was trying to deploy VNFFG | 04:50 |
| phuoc__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/525089 This link is about how to define VNFC in TOSCA parser | 04:50 |
| gongysh | phuoc__, could you please take your time to discuss the c-vnf bp? | 04:50 |
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| phuoc__ | first, I bring to tosca-parser project to define VNFC | 04:51 |
| phuoc__ | VNFC will be a part to define c-vnf in Tacker | 04:52 |
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| phuoc__ | I will update c-vnf spec to describe this in detail | 04:52 |
| diga | phuoc__: so many things are pending on tosca side, my k8s setup is not working | 04:52 |
| diga | phuoc__: will some patches this week if everything goes well | 04:53 |
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| gongysh | phuoc__, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511991/10/specs/queens/kubernetes-type-for-containerized-VNF.rst | 04:54 |
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| gongysh | there is no vnfc at all there? | 04:54 |
| phuoc__ | I will update this later | 04:55 |
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| gongysh | phuoc__, thanks | 04:55 |
| gongysh | phuoc__, we have no much time | 04:55 |
| phuoc__ | another about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516698/ | 04:56 |
| phuoc__ | mardim will start coding when this patch is merged | 04:56 |
| gongysh | we had better have a helo vnf implemented in c-vnf format. | 04:56 |
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| phuoc__ | gongysh, sure | 04:56 |
| phuoc__ | I will describe it in template | 04:57 |
| gongysh | next bp is zabbix | 04:57 |
| gongysh | MinWookKim, hi | 04:57 |
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| MinWookKim | gongysh, hello | 04:57 |
| gongysh | I have a comment on it about the token | 04:58 |
| gongysh | it will be a design fault | 04:58 |
| MinWookKim | gongysh, I'm thinking of a solution to Token comments. | 04:58 |
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| MinWookKim | gongysh, But it seems to be a difficult problem. | 04:58 |
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| MinWookKim | gongysh, Can I ask you a question? | 04:59 |
| gongysh | MinWookKim, I have question: what is trigger in zabbix? | 04:59 |
| gongysh | is it constructed by tacker into zabbix when defining the monitor? | 05:00 |
| MinWookKim | gongysh, trigger is a notification that occurs according to a specified condition. | 05:00 |
| MinWookKim | gongysh, Yes, that's right. | 05:00 |
| gongysh | and it will be triggered in zabbix server after a condition matched, right? | 05:00 |
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| gongysh | so the token will be there a long time. | 05:01 |
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| MinWookKim | gongysh, yes right. | 05:01 |
| gongysh | MinWookKim, you can start with implementation like ceilometer alarm driver. | 05:03 |
| Hyunchic | gongysh, do you consider this issue for security? | 05:03 |
| gongysh | although it is also a security risk. | 05:04 |
| Hyunchic | however, Zabbix is not a openstack project, so it has a limitation. | 05:04 |
| gongysh | Hyunchic, I am considering how zabbix called into tacker to trigger a action, such as respawn and scall | 05:05 |
| MinWookKim | gongysh, In fact what do you think putting aodh between zabbix and tacker? | 05:05 |
| diga | guys, I am leaving now, have some urgent work to do | 05:06 |
| diga | see you guys later | 05:06 |
| gongysh | diga, thanks | 05:06 |
| MinWookKim | diga, thanks | 05:06 |
| gongysh | I will put API base patch in. | 05:06 |
| gongysh | MinWookKim, what is your idea? | 05:06 |
| gongysh | our ceilometer driver is using aodh | 05:07 |
| gongysh | aodh has its own monitoring and trigger mechanism | 05:07 |
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| gongysh | it overlapping with zabbix server. | 05:08 |
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| MinWookKim | gongysh,you're right. I think we'll need a little more investigation. | 05:09 |
| gongysh | MinWookKim, you can first merge with app action, no need to call into tacker | 05:09 |
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| gongysh | and then we can consider how to support scale, respawn action. | 05:09 |
| Hyunchic | yes it's better. | 05:09 |
| MinWookKim | gongysh, Okay. I'll make that BP edit. | 05:09 |
| gongysh | MinWookKim, ok, thanks. break it into pieces and finish one by one. thanks | 05:10 |
| gongysh | #topic open discussion | 05:10 |
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| MinWookKim | gongysh, thanks a lot | 05:10 |
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| gongysh | anything do you guys want to talk? | 05:10 |
| Hyunchic | long time ago, | 05:11 |
| janki | gongysh, are we going to PTG? | 05:11 |
| Hyunchic | i updated my code for port monitoring. | 05:11 |
| gongysh | janki, I will not | 05:11 |
| janki | so virtual PTG then | 05:11 |
| gongysh | if you guys want, you can have a meeting there. | 05:11 |
| phuoc__ | For update vnffg:tacker vnffg-update --vnffgd-file vnffgd-template.yml <already created VNFFG name> | 05:12 |
| longkb | In Sydney, we got a Use cases from NTT for HA feature over multi-compute nodes | 05:12 |
| phuoc__ | gongysh, do you have any comment for that command | 05:12 |
| longkb | Gongysh: Do you remember about it? | 05:12 |
| gongysh | longkb, yes | 05:13 |
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| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516698/ phuoc__ | 05:13 |
| gongysh | this bp? | 05:14 |
| phuoc__ | gongysh, yes | 05:14 |
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| gongysh | ok, I will review after this meeting | 05:14 |
| longkb | As I can see from Tacker features, Tacker only support to deploy VNF over VIMs from CLI. In the case of vendors want to deploy VNF over compute-node, they have to define it in VNFD, right? | 05:15 |
| longkb | I think we shoud enable VNF creation over availability zone from Tacker client without az inside VNFD | 05:16 |
| gongysh | longkb, you are talking about openstack nova command | 05:16 |
| longkb | No, I mentioned about Tacker command | 05:17 |
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| gongysh | longkb, but you can implement it via tacker cli too. define argument in vnfd and generate vnf with parameter. | 05:18 |
| longkb | Ok, I will make a path about it :) | 05:18 |
| gongysh | by the way, I am voting for individual director, if you guys have fundation member ship, please support me. | 05:19 |
| gongysh | https://www.openstack.org/community/members/profile/28514/yongsheng-gong | 05:19 |
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| phuoc__ | gongysh, sure :) | 05:19 |
| gongysh | phuoc__, thanks | 05:20 |
| gongysh | ok if nothing else, we can end this meeting. | 05:20 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 05:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 05:20 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 6 05:20:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-12-06-04.31.html | 05:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-12-06-04.31.txt | 05:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-12-06-04.31.log.html | 05:20 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 14:23 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 6 14:23:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:23 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 14:23 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 14:23 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 14:23 |
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| frickler | o/ | 14:23 |
| * mugsie forgot he changed the time, sorry about that | 14:23 | |
| frickler | np, /me is patient ;) | 14:23 |
| mugsie | #action mugsie add new time to all his calenders | 14:23 |
| mugsie | #topic Announcements | 14:23 |
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| mugsie | #info q2 is tomorrow - if there is any "must have" patches please let me know | 14:24 |
| mugsie | #info We *will* have a room at the PTG in Dublin | 14:24 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 14:24 |
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| mugsie | any issues / thoughts / from anyone? | 14:25 |
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| frickler | regarding q-2, not sure how the timeframe for deprecations is, might be good to have https://review.openstack.org/526008 in | 14:25 |
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| frickler | then I noticed that your dashboard seems kinda broken with the new gerrit and zuul stuff | 14:26 |
| frickler | #link http://graham.hayes.ie/designate/dashboard | 14:26 |
| frickler | did you generate that by hand or do you have a tool? | 14:26 |
| mugsie | oh, wow | 14:26 |
| mugsie | there is a tool | 14:26 |
| mugsie | let me dig out the link | 14:26 |
| mugsie | #link https://github.com/openstack/gerrit-dash-creator | 14:27 |
| mugsie | I will update the query :) | 14:27 |
| frickler | great | 14:27 |
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| frickler | and then the new requirements-check is choking up on our "doc/reqs.txt" from 2014 | 14:27 |
| frickler | advice in #-infra was to just remove that file for now | 14:27 |
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| mugsie | OK, cool - thats the change to the new PTI I assume? | 14:28 |
| frickler | yes | 14:28 |
| frickler | #link http://logs.openstack.org/53/516753/3/check/requirements-check/766ab1a/job-output.txt.gz#_2017-12-06_13_10_10_454887 | 14:28 |
| frickler | that is the failure | 14:28 |
| mugsie | so I can blame mordred then ... :) | 14:28 |
| frickler | #link https://review.openstack.org/522640 | 14:28 |
| frickler | that is the patch that introduced it | 14:29 |
| frickler | I already blamed AJaeger, they both committed guilty ... kind of ;) | 14:29 |
| mugsie | :) | 14:29 |
| frickler | final one from me would be regarding https://review.openstack.org/524683 | 14:30 |
| mugsie | #action mugsie remove docs/requirments.txt | 14:30 |
| frickler | I'm not sure that the grenade stuff is working properly there | 14:31 |
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| frickler | is it really switching from manager to worker mode? | 14:31 |
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| mugsie | nope - I thought I removed that | 14:31 |
| mugsie | damn | 14:31 |
| mugsie | (we can't do an upgrade test from one to the other, as grenade uses the config file from the old side in the new side) | 14:32 |
| frickler | ah, I assumed that this would be the primary scenario, upgrading from a pike deployment in manager mode to worker things | 14:33 |
| mugsie | I need to add disable_services to the grenade plugin config | 14:33 |
| mugsie | in pike worker model was the default prefered option, in theory | 14:35 |
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| mugsie | the 2 -manager services are starting there, but are just failing straight away, and exiting | 14:36 |
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| frickler | but isn't that more or less the upgrade scenario that we want to happen? except that you could disable them so they don't have to fail? | 14:38 |
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| mugsie | yeah, they fail in the "old" side as well though | 14:38 |
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| frickler | ah | 14:39 |
| mugsie | let me see what I can figure out | 14:40 |
| mugsie | when that merges though, we can say we support https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/assert_supports-accessible-upgrade.html | 14:40 |
| frickler | oh, that's a pretty short list | 14:41 |
| mugsie | yea | 14:42 |
| mugsie | most people have not implemented the verify_no_api thing, or requre the API to access things | 14:42 |
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| mugsie | frickler: do you think you will make over to Dublin ? | 14:44 |
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| frickler | most likely not due to private reasons, sorry | 14:44 |
| mugsie | no problem - I will be putting an etherpad together in a week or so with topic ideas, so please help me fill it :) | 14:45 |
| frickler | sure | 14:46 |
| mugsie | any other topics? | 14:46 |
| frickler | none from me today | 14:46 |
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| mugsie | great - have a good day :) | 14:47 |
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| mugsie | #endmeeting | 14:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 6 14:47:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2017/designate.2017-12-06-14.23.html | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2017/designate.2017-12-06-14.23.txt | 14:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2017/designate.2017-12-06-14.23.log.html | 14:47 |
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| ad_rien_ | #startmeeting massively-distributed-clouds | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 6 15:00:47 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ | 15:01 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
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| oanson | o/ | 15:01 |
| rcherrueau | o/ | 15:01 |
| avankemp | o/ | 15:01 |
| msimonin | hi all o/ | 15:01 |
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| kgiusti | yo! | 15:01 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:01 |
| lihi | o/ | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | #info agenda | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massivfbely_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 1547 | 15:02 |
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| ad_rien_ | May I ask you to add you name please on the etherpad | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | line 1549 (in particular for DragonFlow folks :-O) | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:02 |
| oanson | The link is: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | yes, we are line 1556 | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | so before diving into details today we have the usual ongoing action reviews and | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | I hope a discussion around DragonFlow design choices. | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | oanson: we were discussing about a possible presentation. I hope we can discuss it | 15:04 |
| oanson | ad_rien_, yes. I've added a link to the etherpad | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | Last but not the least, is parus there ? | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | oanson: thanks | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so let's start | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic Annoucement | 15:05 |
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| ad_rien_ | so only a few information to share from my side. | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | the OpenStack foundation tries to support edge actions | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | they have created a new ML and they are trying to launch new actions | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | I had a phone call with Jonathan last week to clarify the overlapping between these actions and the FEMDC SiG | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | The goal is to try to move forward faster. | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | So the first etherpad link is the general one (i.e. opened by the foundation) | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | The second one is an overview of our activities | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | To be honest, right now there is only a few interaction. | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | I don't know what we can expect but at least it is great that the foundation is trying to push everything forward | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | Maybe the second informtion I can share is related to the possibility to have a dedicated day during the next PTG in dublin | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | I added that point in the open discussion section (if you are interested to take part to such sessions, please add your name) | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | According to the number of persons, I will confirm our interest to the foundation. | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | That's all from my side | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | so any other news to share? | 15:09 |
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| ad_rien_ | any folks from FBK? | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | So if not let's move to the next topic | 15:10 |
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| dancn | ad_rien_: no, for sure we will note be in Dublin | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | dancn: I just saw you now | 15:10 |
| dancn | but we keep an eye! | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | dancn: ack | 15:10 |
| dancn | no proble! | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so let's move forward | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic ongoing actions - Use-cases | 15:11 |
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| dancn | we disapperaed for a while, now back! | 15:11 |
| msimonin | welcome back dancn :) | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | Paul-Andre is not present (i didn't see him) but maybe dancn you can update a bit regarding the presentation you did in | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | the Fog Congress | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:11 |
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| dancn | Yes, sure, I just added to ehterpad few notes | 15:12 |
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| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | any other information. | 15:12 |
| dancn | we will do an extended presentaiton at cloudcom, we can redo the presentation for you people at FEMDC | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | Did you get valuable feedbacks from the fog congress | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | it may make sense thanks | 15:13 |
| dancn | basically it is a demo that show some problem in edge application with constrains and some "workaround" | 15:13 |
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| ad_rien_ | still including OpenStack and kubernetes? | 15:13 |
| dancn | about 20 people showed up, interested in seeing something more than a research prototype | 15:14 |
| dancn | yes both k8s and OS are involved | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | and did you see some prototypes from your side that can supervise/operate edge infrastructures during the fog congress event? | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | or your proposal was/is the most mature? | 15:15 |
| dancn | I was not there | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | will be great to have information about that | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | any other points/aspects to share? | 15:16 |
| dancn | we internally do not had a sync meeting, but as soon as we do I will share | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | questions/remarks? | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | if not I proppse to continue | 15:16 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok so next point | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic ongoing-action-openstack++ | 15:17 |
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| ad_rien_ | no news from our side, need time to make progress on that part. I hope that a subgroup will take this action soon | 15:17 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic ongoing-action-P2P-openstack | 15:17 |
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| ad_rien_ | regarding that point, we had a meeting last week with Ericsson folks. The meeting has been fruitful from my viewpoint. | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | We present the P2P architecture using cockroach | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | find some pros and cons. we will try to summary that on a white paper | 15:18 |
| oanson | Could you please refresh what's p2p? | 15:18 |
| msimonin | I think what Adrien mean is collaborative Openstack | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | Meanwhile, Ericsson is progressing on an architecture that can enable several operators to share their resources | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | msimonin: thanks ;) | 15:19 |
| rcherrueau | A BitTorrent like OpenStack | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | P2P Peer to Peer. sorry oanson | 15:19 |
| rcherrueau | Many OpenStack instances that collaborate | 15:19 |
| oanson | Ah. I see. Thanks! | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | in an edge infrastructure you will have several geo distributed DCs our goal is to be able to make several openstack collaborate | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | ok that's all | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | we have another meeting schedule on next friday | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | I hope we will progress | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | s/hope/I'm sure | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | ;) | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | any question ? | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic ongoing-action-AMPQ | 15:21 |
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| ad_rien_ | so ansmith kgiusti msimonin avankemp | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | the floorsis yours | 15:21 |
| kgiusti | I defer to msimonin and avankemp as they are doing the heavy lifting... | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | (sorry for the typo, please) | 15:21 |
| kgiusti | ...but we have been engaging in a weekly meeting re: the msging testplan | 15:22 |
| kgiusti | details in epad line 1583 | 15:22 |
| avankemp | the review has been merged (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491818/) | 15:22 |
| msimonin | So we are now running initial experiments regarding this test plan | 15:23 |
| msimonin | on Grid'5000 | 15:23 |
| msimonin | We | 15:23 |
| msimonin | We have now some results to analyse | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | looks great | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | ;) | 15:24 |
| msimonin | As kgiusti said we are iterating with kgiusti and ansmith on the code / experiment design | 15:24 |
| msimonin | initial tests is about thousand of rpc client and rpc servers | 15:25 |
| msimonin | we target 10^4 in the midterm | 15:25 |
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| msimonin | I'm not sure if I need to dive more into details | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | that's ok from my side | 15:26 |
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| ad_rien_ | any other comments from redhat folks? | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | if not we can move to the next point. | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic ongoin-action-cockroach | 15:27 |
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| kgiusti | we're good thanks | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | the floor is yours rcherrueau | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | ;-) | 15:28 |
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| rcherrueau | lemme keep it short | 15:28 |
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| rcherrueau | ad_rien_ speeks about a collaborative OpenStack using cockroachdb | 15:28 |
| rcherrueau | but you need to tweak the code the get the desiderata | 15:29 |
| rcherrueau | Especially, there are nova queries that don't work, as it, on CockroachDB | 15:30 |
| rcherrueau | So I do a soft that extracts all SQL queries performed during unit/functional tests | 15:30 |
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| rcherrueau | The soft leverage subunit streams produced by ostestr, so the soft should work for keystone, glance, ... every unit/functional tests that use ostestr. | 15:32 |
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| rcherrueau | result of the extraction is available online | 15:32 |
| rcherrueau | #link http://enos.irisa.fr/nova-sql/pike-nova-tests-unit.sql.json | 15:33 |
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| rcherrueau | #link http://enos.irisa.fr/nova-sql/pike-nova-tests-functional.sql.json | 15:33 |
| rcherrueau | be careful, files are huge | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | be careful these are huge files | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | (too slow) | 15:33 |
| dancn | Length: 233394340 (223M) [application/json] | 15:33 |
| dancn | :-) | 15:33 |
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| rcherrueau | Next step is running analysis of sql queries to identify easily where we have to change the nova code regarding cockroachdb investigation | 15:35 |
| rcherrueau | actually I already have an analysis that shows all correlated subqueries | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | Maybe you can also add that by conducting this study a few of our students discovered that there is a lot of select 1 requests. While these requests are not so expensive in the context of a LAN deployment, they may become critical in the case of a WAN context. | 15:35 |
| rcherrueau | Lemme polish the code and then I will share it with you | 15:35 |
| rcherrueau | that all for me | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | questions? | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | comments? | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | so I propose to move to the open discussion | 15:37 |
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| ad_rien_ | and more precisely on the dragonflow aspect | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic open-discussions | 15:37 |
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| ad_rien_ | regarding the PTG I already mentioned that if you are interested please add your name | 15:37 |
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| ad_rien_ | so oanson the floor is your | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | ;-) | 15:38 |
| oanson | Thanks | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | How do you want to proceed | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | we have a webconference tool | 15:38 |
| oanson | We can go over the short presentation I prepared | 15:38 |
| oanson | The link is here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1HdpS5FYyBnxNkarI356B7I8vwMrC4x76FMyHmU3Ml-c/edit?usp=sharing | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | or we can continue by IRC | 15:38 |
| oanson | Let's go with IRC. I think just setting it up won't be worth the time | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | let's go | 15:39 |
| oanson | Basically up to slide 5 is very general introduction | 15:39 |
| oanson | Slide 5 basically says: | 15:39 |
| oanson | Cloud network solution: General idea is Neutron backend | 15:39 |
| oanson | including taking care of connecting compute elements (VMs, containers, etc.), also across compute nodes. | 15:40 |
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| oanson | Fully distributed is that we try to avoid any bottlenecks, centralized elements, etc. | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:40 |
| oanson | Fully open source in that everything is upstream, including design, implementation, strategies, etc. Being an openstack project everything is on gerrit. | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:41 |
| oanson | Slides 6-7 goes a bit more in depth on what networking we do. But I would like to skip ahead to the architecture (Unless anyone has any preferences). We can always come back to it later | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | please go ahead | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | I think this is the right way to progress | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | ;-) | 15:42 |
| oanson | So slide 9 shows the birds-eye view architecture. The top most node is the API layer - currently a neutron server with Dragonflow plugins | 15:42 |
| oanson | The Dragonflow elements here are ML2 plugins and service drivers | 15:42 |
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| oanson | These plugins only translate the Neutron objects to Dragonflow objects, and push them to the distributed database. | 15:43 |
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| oanson | The distributed database is in the centre in this schema, but in general it is distributed across the Datacenter/cloud/deployment | 15:43 |
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| oanson | Each compute node (The satellites) pulls the information from the distributed database, and applies the policy locally. | 15:44 |
| oanson | Additionally, there's also a pub/sub mechanism where the Neutron server publishes the policy, and the compute nodes subscribe to it. | 15:44 |
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| oanson | The compilation of the policy translates high-level objects (e.g., ports, networks, subnets, security groups) to OpenFlow rules. | 15:45 |
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| oanson | These rules are then installed in the (currently) OVS switch, which is the forwarding element for packets between compute elements | 15:45 |
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| oanson | That's it for this slide :) | 15:45 |
| ansmith | oanson: is olso.messaging used for pub/sub or separate library? | 15:45 |
| oanson | ansmith, a separate library. | 15:46 |
| msimonin | oanson: what message settlement (at least/most/exacly) is offered by the publish/subscribe ? | 15:46 |
| oanson | We have implemented pub/sub ourselves in a pluggable way, so we can utilize either distributed db-based pub sub (as provided by Redis or Etcd) or use a broker based one (currently ZMQ) | 15:46 |
| oanson | msimonin, sorry? | 15:46 |
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| msimonin | What happen if messages cannot reach the satellite for a small periods of time ? | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | to All: may I ask you to add your questions into the etherpad | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | so we can keep trace of them | 15:47 |
| msimonin | can it lead to inconsistency in the satellite configuration ? | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | and go through each of theam | 15:47 |
| oanson | The pub/sub mechanism is considered only an optimization. The 'gold standard' is what's in the database. | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | (just to facilitate the discussion, I think we have all a couple of questions) | 15:47 |
| oanson | We rely on the distributed database to (eventually) contain the correct configuration, and therefore the correct configuration will eventually reach the satellites. | 15:48 |
| msimonin | oanson: you mean that at any time a agent can get it's whole configuration from the database ? | 15:48 |
| oanson | msimonin, yes. Exactly. | 15:48 |
| msimonin | oanson: great, thanks | 15:48 |
| oanson | So slides 10 and 11 show the architecture a bit more in depth. Slide 10 stresses DB and pub/sub pluggability. | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | oanson: would it be possible to go through slides 15 and after? | 15:49 |
| oanson | Sure. | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | I think this is also an important aspect for the SiG | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:49 |
| oanson | Let me just say 2 words on slide 10: | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | sure | 15:49 |
| oanson | Everything is pluggable, in that different db stores and pub/sub mechanisms can be used for each deployment, according to the deployment needs. | 15:50 |
| oanson | e.g. in some cases Redis performs better than etcd (or vice versa), and in some cases you have to use ZMQ for pub/sub (which is db agnostic) | 15:50 |
| oanson | Slide 15-16 shows the two options we had in mind for fog/edge/massively distributed architectures. | 15:51 |
| oanson | The first option is either to treat each datacentre (small cloud in the diagrams) as a standalone deployment | 15:51 |
| oanson | Then use cross-cloud connectivity solutions for the datacentres to communicate | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | like Tricircle proposal somehow | 15:52 |
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| oanson | Yes | 15:52 |
| oanson | The second option (slide 16) is to have a single large Dragonflow deployment spread across multiple clouds, and use a tunneling solutions to communicate | 15:52 |
| oanson | The first option should be much easier to implement than the second. The only pro of the second (in my opinion) is that you have a single entity and then, once it works, management should be easier. | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | just one point which is not clear | 15:53 |
| oanson | Additionally, with a single entity more information is available for each controller, and perhaps better decision making is possible | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | why do you need to tunnel all traffics in the second possibility | 15:54 |
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| ad_rien_ | (sorry if my question looks naive but I'm not sure I'm understanding well) | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | in a context of a network operator | 15:54 |
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| oanson | ad_rien_, I'm guessing we would have to have an IPSec like solution, since the traffic (probably) has to be encrypted. | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | you may consider to have mandatory ports opened | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | so for data privacy/security isseus | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | issues | 15:55 |
| oanson | ad_rien_, the tunnels exist because I assumed you want a mesh connectivity - everyone can communicate with everyone | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | but this problem is already present in a traditional cloud system | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:55 |
| oanson | And if you don't *have* to go through the main cloud, it's better to connect ad-hoc. | 15:55 |
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| ad_rien_ | this is indeed an assumption we take for the P2P openstack scenarion (at least right now in order to make the complex story a bit easier) | 15:55 |
| oanson | ad-hoc - in a mesh topology | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | so 4 min left | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | may I propose to put all questions you would like to discuss on the pad | 15:56 |
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| oanson | I think I went over the main points of the presentation. | 15:56 |
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| msimonin | thanks oanson ! | 15:56 |
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| ad_rien_ | and then we can discuss them during the next point | 15:56 |
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| oanson | I'll try to answer them on the pad as well | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | oanson: moreover, do you think it makes sense for your to take part to the braimstorming discussions related to the P2P openstack | 15:56 |
| rcherrueau | oanson: Thanks, any chance to implement Dragonflow in kolla-ansible? | 15:56 |
| msimonin | rcherrueau: +1 | 15:57 |
| msimonin | :) | 15:57 |
| oanson | rcherrueau, I think we already have a kolla image. | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | to be honest we are not at the level of the network (i.e. enabling communication between 2 vms, each one being deployed on a dedidacted site) | 15:57 |
| oanson | ad_rien_, sure. | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | but if you think it is relevant from your side, it would be great to have you on board | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | 3 min before ending the meeting | 15:57 |
| oanson | ad_rien_, at the very least, it's important for us to know what problems exist to be solved | 15:57 |
| rcherrueau | oanson: And in kolla ansible, something like `enable_dragonflow: yes` or `neutron_plugin: dragonflow` | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | should we discuss any particular point? | 15:58 |
| oanson | rcherrueau, I'll have to check. It was written by an external contributor | 15:58 |
| msimonin | rcherrueau: +1000 :) | 15:58 |
| rcherrueau | oanson: OK, thanks. | 15:58 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | parus: | 15:58 |
| parus | Hello! | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | Hi | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | Unfortunately we are going to end the meeting | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | but I'm available by skype if you want to discuss a bit | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | notes are on the etherpad too | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | so thanks for all | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | and CU next meeting | 15:59 |
| parus | Sorry about that. | 15:59 |
| oanson | Thanks! | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 6 15:59:39 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-12-06-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-12-06-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-12-06-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 6 16:00:47 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Courtesy ping: jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| tommylikehu | hey | 16:01 |
| abishop | o/ | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Guessing that this might be kind-of quiet given people are at kubecon. | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT | I wish I was at kubecon | 16:02 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: how many cinder guys are there | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: and jgriffith | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | I've seen many familiar faces. | 16:02 |
| walshh | Hi Helen here | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | walshh: Hey! Great to have you join us! | 16:03 |
| tommylikehu | hi walshh | 16:03 |
| * smcginnis waves at walshh | 16:03 | |
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| walshh | about time for me | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | walshh: I wasn't going to say it ... but yes. :-) | 16:03 |
| walshh | Hope ye all enjoyed Sydney | 16:03 |
| walshh | Wish I had been able to travel | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | We did. Wish you could have been there but looking forward to seeing you in Dublin. | 16:03 |
| * jungleboyj needs a tour guide. ;-) | 16:04 | |
| lhx_ | hi all | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | lhx_: Welcome. | 16:04 |
| walshh | I lived there for 2 years about 17 years ago | 16:04 |
| walshh | I will need a tour guide | 16:04 |
| lhx_ | jungleboyj, thanks ;) | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | walshh: Ok, you can just join us for the fun then. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so lets get started. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | We are coming up on the later part of the release so the review tracking becomes more important here. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | If you have a spec that is in there and have reviews being put up, please update the list so we can be focusing on those reviews. | 16:06 |
| * abishop is adding his reviews | 16:06 | |
| jungleboyj | Would really like to be able to get the code to go with the specs in. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | abishop: Thank you! | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | A reminder on the Queens schedule ... | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | Milestone 2 is tomorrow. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | That leaves us with a month and a half until feature freeze. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | With holidays and stuff that makes knowing what we are trying to get merged important. So, see request above. :-) | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | I am planning to propose the milestone 2 branch later this afternoon. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Any questions around all of that fun? | 16:08 |
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| Swanson | Hello. | 16:09 |
| hemna_ | mep | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna_: There you go :-) | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Moving on. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Drivers Merged in Queens | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | Just wanted to note that we have gotten the DataCore and Inspur drivers merged for queens. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you to everyone who did reviews and helped get those in place. | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | With watching CIs and stuff it takes a lot of work to guide those in. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so on to the rest of the agenda: | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Nominate volume bulk create for Spec Freeze Exception | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | walshh: and tommylikehu | 16:11 |
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| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: thanks | 16:11 |
| e0ne | do we have implementation proposal? | 16:11 |
| hemna_ | so we are doing bulk create now? | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna_: e0ne That is what this discussion is for. | 16:12 |
| hemna_ | oh :) | 16:12 |
| e0ne | if there is a patch with implementation spec freeze exceptions could be reasonable | 16:12 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: we just wondering if we can give more time on this | 16:12 |
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| tommylikehu | e0ne: I guess walshh is working on this these days | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | So, first question is based the notes from Denver: | 16:13 |
| erlon | hey | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderQueensPTGSummary#Discuss_Bulk_Volume_Create | 16:13 |
| e0ne | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514196/ | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | Has the Nova team been approached about adding Bulk Attach to the API? | 16:14 |
| walshh | Matt Riedemann has commented on the review and is not prepared to support bulk attaches at this point | 16:15 |
| tommylikehu | walshh: can you share the progress you have made with Nova? | 16:15 |
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| jungleboyj | walshh: Ok, so I think that ends up being a non-starter for us at this point based on the discussion we had in Denver. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Had some strong feelings about that being required for this to move forward. | 16:17 |
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| jungleboyj | Unfortunately he is not here. | 16:18 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: understood | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | So, tommylikehu walshh What is the urgency for getting this in for Queens? | 16:19 |
| walshh | I was initially thinking Rockies timeframe | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | walshh: As was I, at best. | 16:19 |
| walshh | I just don't know will we get the nova buy in | 16:20 |
| walshh | even in Rockies | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: So, why the push for Queens? | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | walshh: If there is not bulk attach what is the use case? | 16:20 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: I just want to get more team's attention on this | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Fair enough, but don't need a freeze exception for that. :-) | 16:21 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: and would like to help on this feature if we have the chance to have this feature approved | 16:21 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: ok | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | Understood. | 16:22 |
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| jungleboyj | So here is my proposal ... I think that walshh has been making good progress on the spec. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Notes that it might help to see code associated with this. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | I agree. | 16:22 |
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| jungleboyj | I feel that walshh 's target for Rockie is more appropriate. | 16:23 |
| walshh | I have a POC started, but I will need to amend bases on Tommy's feedback | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | walshh: Cool. | 16:23 |
| walshh | based* | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | Link? | 16:23 |
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| e0ne | walshh: any early PoC on the gerrit will be very helpful | 16:23 |
| walshh | not submitted yet, but I can get it there soon | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | walshh: Cool. | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | Lets get those pieces in place and then plan a cross project meeting with Nova in Dublin to see if we can make progress there. | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | I know they aren't going to consider anything right now. | 16:25 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: +1, sounds reasonable | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Depending on how that discussion goes we can readdress if we are going to move on this for the R release. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | That sound good for everyone? | 16:26 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: fair enough | 16:26 |
| walshh | Sounds good to me | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | #action walshh to continue to respond to comments on the spec | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | #action walshh to put up a PoC of the code for Cinder | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | #action team to review and comment | 16:26 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: thanks! | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to schedule cross-project session with Nova in Dublin on this. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: No problem. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | We will keep this moving but don't need a spec freeze for it. | 16:27 |
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| jungleboyj | walshh: Once we start R you will need to move the spec forward to there. | 16:28 |
| walshh | ok, will do | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Cool. | 16:28 |
| e0ne | I think, we can start accept specs for R starting tomorrow | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Oh, good point. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Once we close out Q. I think you are right. | 16:28 |
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| tommylikehu | e0ne: that's great! | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, no reason we can't get those going already. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Good. Thanks for the input. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Anything else on this topic? | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Open Discussion | 16:30 |
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| jungleboyj | Anything else we need to discuss today? | 16:30 |
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| e0ne | #link https://review.openstack.org/526120 :) | 16:31 |
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| e0ne | I hope, CI will pass in this ^^ | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Nice. | 16:32 |
| tommylikehu | e0ne: lol | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you. | 16:32 |
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| jungleboyj | Was going to go look at doing that but now I don't need to. :-) | 16:32 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: :) | 16:33 |
| e0ne | smcginnis, jungleboyj: do you know anything about Rocky schedule? | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | It should be out there. Hold on. | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: I don't think everything is finalized yet, but should be soon. | 16:34 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: ok, thanks | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | Hmmm yeah, not there yet. | 16:34 |
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| jungleboyj | I will let everyone here know when it is out. | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. If there is nothing else we can wrap up. | 16:36 |
| e0ne | see you next week | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | Yep. Thank you everyone for coming and for your work on Cinder! | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 16:37 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-12-06-16.00.html | 16:37 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 6 18:01:53 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:01 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:02 | |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:02 |
| jinli | #JinLi | 18:02 |
| jinli | Hi Bin | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Hi Jin, good morning. | 18:02 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:02 |
| jinli | good morning | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #topic Update | 18:02 |
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| jinli | Bin, I have a new patch for the plugin backend | 18:03 |
| bh526r | cool | 18:03 |
| jinli | I still need to run some test to make sure it works | 18:03 |
| bh526r | I see. so it is still a work in progress | 18:03 |
| jinli | but you can review it and give me some feed back | 18:03 |
| bh526r | let me know once you feel it is ready | 18:03 |
| jinli | sure | 18:04 |
| bh526r | BTW, have you abandoned those 2 old patches with -1? | 18:04 |
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| jinli | not yet, I am going to do it today | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | sounds good | 18:05 |
| bh526r | not much from my side. | 18:05 |
| jinli | the new patch is implemented as we have discussed, walk through ymal and find the bindings | 18:05 |
| jinli | Ok | 18:05 |
| jinli | oh another thing | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #info Jin has submitted a new patch, "Auto generate backend for core plug_in " | 18:06 |
| jinli | I make devstack and gluon working in my local | 18:06 |
| bh526r | great. what was the problem? | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/525866/ | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info run some test to make sure it works as expected | 18:06 |
| jinli | want to schedule a time so you can show me how to run a test case from the devstack side | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #info Then Jin will let us know to have a review | 18:07 |
| jinli | i.e. create vm from devstack | 18:07 |
| bh526r | ok | 18:07 |
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| jinli | I will schedule a meeting with you later this week | 18:07 |
| bh526r | Ok | 18:08 |
| bh526r | #info Jin will also abandon those 2 old patches | 18:09 |
| bh526r | BTW, may we cancel the IRC meeting next week because of ONAP? | 18:09 |
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| jinli | sure | 18:10 |
| jinli | I will attend the first two days of ONAP | 18:10 |
| bh526r | Great. | 18:10 |
| jinli | you have one talk on Tuesday? | 18:11 |
| bh526r | Will you take holidays in the last 2 weeks this month? | 18:11 |
| jinli | no, only the last week | 18:11 |
| bh526r | One Tuesday, and one Wednesday (before the closing remark) | 18:11 |
| jinli | Oh, ok | 18:11 |
| bh526r | I see. | 18:11 |
| jinli | I will attend your Tuesday one | 18:11 |
| bh526r | sure. | 18:12 |
| bh526r | Feel free to schedule a time later this week, and see you next week in Santa Clara | 18:12 |
| jinli | Ok,I am abandon the 2 patch now. | 18:12 |
| bh526r | ok | 18:12 |
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| jinli | done | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | great | 18:15 |
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| bh526r | anything else? | 18:15 |
| jinli | that's all from my side | 18:15 |
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| bh526r | great. Nothing from my side. So talk to you later this week and see you next week | 18:15 |
| bh526r | #topic AOB | 18:16 |
| jinli | sure | 18:16 |
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| jinli | bye | 18:16 |
| bh526r | #info IRC meeting canceled next week Dec 13 because of ONAP in Santa Clara | 18:16 |
| bh526r | #info Nothing else, and meeting adjourned | 18:16 |
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| bh526r | bye Jin | 18:16 |
| jinli | bye | 18:16 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 6 18:16:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-12-06-18.01.html | 18:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-12-06-18.01.txt | 18:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-12-06-18.01.log.html | 18:17 |
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| SotK | storyboard time! | 19:05 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 6 19:05:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:05 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 19:06 |
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| SotK | I expect today will be fairly quick | 19:06 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:06 |
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| SotK | so, the email bug got sorted out, thanks fungi! | 19:07 |
| SotK | "bug" | 19:07 |
| Zara | haha | 19:07 |
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| SotK | in other news, I addressed Zara's comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511246/ so that we can unblock those | 19:08 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511246/ | 19:08 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511247/ | 19:08 |
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| Zara | neat, thanks! | 19:09 |
| Zara | (sorry I'm late, my food was ready) | 19:09 |
| SotK | np :) | 19:10 |
| fungi | heyhey | 19:11 |
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| SotK | welcome fungi | 19:11 |
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| fungi | only thing i had (aside from noting that storyboard.o.o is now exempted frmo the spamhaus policy blocklist entry rackspace blankets their ipv4 allocations with), is that kolla-kubernetes bugs have been migrated today | 19:12 |
| SotK | nice! | 19:13 |
| SotK | how did that go? | 19:13 |
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| fungi | fine, import was probably around 20-30 minutes to complete | 19:13 |
| fungi | i wasn't timing it, but should have done | 19:13 |
| Zara | sounds good | 19:14 |
| Zara | 20-30 mins sounds specific enough for us tbh | 19:14 |
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| SotK | indeed | 19:15 |
| fungi | discussion on the migration goal proposal is also coming along | 19:15 |
| SotK | so I see | 19:16 |
| SotK | I had a skim of it but not yet a proper read | 19:16 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513875/ | 19:16 |
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| fungi | thanks, gertty was taking too long to pull it up for me so i could grab the link | 19:16 |
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| Zara | I've also been lurking | 19:17 |
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| Zara | since I think anything I write would read as 'storyboard storyboard storyboard' anyway | 19:18 |
| fungi | i think most of the concerns have been assuaged at this point other than where it would be nice to have a smoother experience on private story reporting and the need to generally just get some more projects migrated before we set it as a goal | 19:18 |
| SotK | they seem like fair concerns | 19:19 |
| fungi | kmalloc mentioned earlier this week that the discussion around migrating had come up in #openstack-keystone and they're concerned about the private story situation getting resolved before considering it | 19:19 |
| fungi | being one of the more security-critical projects we have | 19:19 |
| SotK | I think we had a plan on how to solve the private story reporting somewhere in our meeting logs, idk if it ever got written up into a story | 19:19 |
| * SotK will confirm he isn't going mad and do so later | 19:20 | |
| fungi | that would be awesome if you get a chance | 19:20 |
| Zara | I'm about 70% certain it did | 19:21 |
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| fungi | i didn't have anything else. dunno whether diablo_rojo_phon has anything to add from kubecon, but she's probably otherwise occupied there at the moment | 19:21 |
| Zara | (istr it involved having a specific tag and then notifying teams subscribed to the tag, all I can find atm is: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000568) | 19:23 |
| Zara | where the tag wasn't a freeform thing so that people would definitely get the right one | 19:23 |
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| Zara | applied via a checkbox? | 19:23 |
| SotK | Zara: that sounds similar to my memory | 19:23 |
| fungi | ahh, so overloading story tags for auto access? | 19:23 |
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| SotK | I don't remember if it was using actual tags or setting a "vulnerability" flag on the story | 19:25 |
| Zara | I'm not *certain* if it was a tag or if we were going to add a field in the db | 19:25 |
| Zara | yeah I think we might've settled on db in the end | 19:25 |
| fungi | to me the critical bit to solve is having some logic for granting private story access to specific accounts or, preferably, predefined groups of accounts | 19:25 |
| Zara | I think that was fairly straightforward (just hooking up 'teams' to view permissions) | 19:25 |
| Zara | and the tricky bit was on the reporting side | 19:25 |
| Zara | because we needed people to consistently make them private | 19:26 |
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| fungi | right, seems like that piece is probably solvable in the webclient | 19:26 |
| Zara | so eg: they couldn't write 'private' themselves as a tag because they might write 'prrrivate' or something | 19:26 |
| fungi | there's already a "private" checkbox when reporting a new story | 19:26 |
| SotK | aha, found the discussion | 19:27 |
| SotK | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-03-08-19.00.log.html#l-94 | 19:27 |
| Zara | thanks | 19:27 |
| fungi | my ideal future would be having a reporting url which defaults the private setting true for a new story and hides it | 19:27 |
| fungi | and then we can just use that url in our reporting suspected vulnerabilities workflow documentation | 19:28 |
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| SotK | that sounds like a good idea, and ties in with the need from other docs folks to link to a partially filled story creation thing | 19:29 |
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| fungi | agreed, fairly similar | 19:29 |
| fungi | just involving a different field | 19:29 |
| SotK | yep | 19:30 |
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| fungi | so what's the situation with "teams" in sb right now? is that still theoretical/roadmap or is it implemented? partly implemented? anything there at all yet? | 19:30 |
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| SotK | teams are pretty much complete in storyboard | 19:31 |
| SotK | they can be created and edited by admins iirc | 19:31 |
| Zara | we've had them in storyboard-dev for a while | 19:31 |
| SotK | and can be added to the permission list for stories | 19:31 |
| Zara | if you want to poke around there | 19:31 |
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| fungi | and can access be granted to a team for a private story yet, or is that still just supportnig individual accounts? | 19:31 |
| fungi | hah, you answered that already | 19:31 |
| fungi | thanks | 19:31 |
| SotK | :) | 19:32 |
| SotK | you can't add teams to boards/worklists permissions yet though | 19:32 |
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| SotK | there's a really old half finished patch for that somewhere that is fairly high on my todo list to revisit | 19:32 |
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| fungi | i can see people being interested in access controls for boards and worklists, but for now i'm mostly just concerned with the private story situation since vmt needs are seen a s major migration blocker | 19:33 |
| SotK | makes sense | 19:33 |
| fungi | that's excellent news though | 19:33 |
| Zara | yeah, I think the roadmap side is fairly clear at least and we're mainly struggling for time. | 19:33 |
| Zara | to actually do the things | 19:33 |
| fungi | closer to solved than i realized even | 19:33 |
| SotK | I think the main missing piece there is that currently the bug reporter has to manually remember to add the VMT (if someone were to make such a team in sb) to their story | 19:34 |
| Zara | that's it, because private =! sec vulnerability | 19:34 |
| Zara | it might sometimes or it might not | 19:34 |
| fungi | yeah, i expect that's something which could also be done via the not-yet-defined custom reporting urls mechanism | 19:34 |
| Zara | which is how we ended up with needing a specific tag or other mechanism to report sec vuln, I remember now. | 19:35 |
| fungi | so the suspected vulnerability reporting url could set private true and add access for the vmt | 19:35 |
| SotK | Zara: yep | 19:35 |
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| SotK | fungi: indeed, though I feel like we'd still need some mechanism for it in storyboard itself to catch folk who don't follow that link | 19:36 |
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| fungi | i can certainly see having bolt-on automation autoadd vmt access to private stories with a "security" tag on them, as a workaround | 19:36 |
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| SotK | #action SotK to add detail to the private stories story | 19:38 |
| SotK | anything else? | 19:38 |
| fungi | as for the "making sure private stories don't slip through the cracks" problem, the solution launchpad adopted was to have the ability to set a team (on a per-project basis) which automatically has access to any private bug reports | 19:38 |
| fungi | so teams could set that as the vmt or as their own team-specific core security reviewers team, whoever is expected to triage those | 19:39 |
| fungi | s/team-specific/project-specific/ | 19:40 |
| fungi | not sure how something like that would align with the current data model around teams and permissions in sb | 19:40 |
| fungi | and no, nothing else from me this week | 19:41 |
| SotK | that's certainly something to consider, my only immediate concern is of it being a stepping stone to adding full permissions for projects and so on | 19:42 |
| SotK | which is something we've deliberately avoided so far | 19:43 |
| fungi | agreed, makes sense to avoid | 19:43 |
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| fungi | wonder if it would make sense to have an option to prevent adding a private story without selecting at least one team to grant access for | 19:45 |
| fungi | so that a naive reporter couldn't accidentally create a story only they could see | 19:46 |
| SotK | yeah, that could make sense I guess, though it could be limiting if someone deliberately wanted to create a private story visible to only them and certain other people for whatever reason | 19:47 |
| * SotK doesn't really see there being much benefit in doing that, but I guess some follk might | 19:47 | |
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| fungi | well, the certain other people part is probably solvable if you just require that the reporter add at least one team or an account who isn't them | 19:48 |
| fungi | and sure, it seems like it could be a global setting to turn that behavior on/off for a deployment | 19:48 |
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| SotK | yeah, I think I'd prefer "at least one team or other person", or make it fully configurable | 19:49 |
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| fungi | makes sense | 19:50 |
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| * SotK will leave the meeting open for a couple of minutes in case anyone has anything further to discuss | 19:52 | |
| SotK | thanks for attending folk! | 19:54 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 19:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 6 19:54:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-12-06-19.05.html | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-12-06-19.05.txt | 19:55 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:16 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 6 21:16:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:16 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:16 | |
| timburke | whoooo! | 21:16 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:17 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:17 |
| clayg | o/ | 21:17 |
| clayg | m_kazuhiro: !!! | 21:17 |
| patchbot | I am! | 21:17 |
| torgomatic | o/ | 21:17 |
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| acoles | I am | 21:17 |
| notmyname | is kota_ here? | 21:17 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: cschwede: rledisez: ? | 21:18 |
| tdasilva | yep! sorry i'm here | 21:18 |
| tdasilva | currently discussion swift+barbican integration on #tripleo | 21:18 |
| notmyname | fun | 21:18 |
| tdasilva | super | 21:18 |
| tdasilva | ;) | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ok,let's get started | 21:19 |
| notmyname | the swiftstack hiatus is coming to a close. we'll be jumping back in to container sharding and other things | 21:19 |
| notmyname | so, sorry about that. the last few weeks of not doing anything | 21:19 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | I went through the backports earlier to land those | 21:20 |
| notmyname | please let me know if there are other things that should be backported | 21:20 |
| timburke | one upside to it though: i'm currently working on some documentation about bimodal support in proxyfs. i figure kota_ at least is interested :-) | 21:20 |
| notmyname | cool | 21:21 |
| notmyname | also, pay attention to the PTG registration. I hear the hotel is tightly booked already, and there isn't a lot of stuff in the area | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | so don't delay on those logistics | 21:21 |
| mattoliverau | Hopefully I won't here last minute again then :( | 21:21 |
| notmyname | ok, before we talk about symlinks with m_kazuhiro, is there any other announcement/info things to bring up? | 21:22 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:22 |
| notmyname | #topic symlinks | 21:22 |
| tdasilva | for anyone that won't be staying at the ptg hotel and happens to be looking for another hotel in the area, cschwede and I have booked elsewhere, ping me if you want details... | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "symlinks (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:22 | |
| notmyname | tdasilva: great! thanks | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva: cool, ta | 21:22 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro has been hard at work on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232162/ | 21:22 |
| patchbot | patch 232162 - swift - Symlink implementation. | 21:22 |
| notmyname | and it has a +2 from kota_! | 21:23 |
| tdasilva | sweeet | 21:23 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: what do we need to discuss on it this week? | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | I plan on going over it today, now that kota_s follow up has been squashed in | 21:23 |
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| mattoliverau | It looks good, I'm keen to get it in | 21:23 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | yeah, it's a great feature to have | 21:24 |
| joeljwright | damn these timezones! | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | joeljwright: no worries. we started late anyway | 21:24 |
| mattoliverau | It's a joeljwright | 21:24 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: for those of us who haven't been keeping close track on it, where's the best starting place? | 21:24 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:25 |
| m_kazuhiro | please one minute... | 21:25 |
| notmyname | also, ( mattoliverau, timburke, acoles, tdasilva, clayg) do we want an extra +2 on this (ie more than 2)? | 21:25 |
| clayg | i see api docs and functional tests - so I'm guessing it's pretty done at this point | 21:26 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: i like that idea...honestly...the concept of the middlware is really not that complicated, the code is somewhat short for the middleware itself..of the ~500 lines, i think over half of it is documentation | 21:27 |
| m_kazuhiro | Yes. API-docs and comments of head of symlink.py will be good start point. | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: ok, thanks. good to know | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | I think people should go have a play, see if they like the API. Now's the chance if they want something changed. | 21:27 |
| clayg | is kota around? | 21:28 |
| clayg | kota_: what would YOU like to see as far as additional review | 21:28 |
| notmyname | haven't seen kota_ here yet | 21:28 |
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| m_kazuhiro | I want merge symlink before christmas weeks. Please ask me questions which you have about symlink! | 21:30 |
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| clayg | So my read is kota said he thinks it's ready to be on master - he thinks it's better to have it running on his production clusters than not - that carries a lot of weight in my book. I'd be hard pressed to ask for a significant design change at this point | 21:30 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: yes. i know you've really wanted to get it in soon :-) | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | As tdasilva says, the middleware is pretty straight forward. It's easy to grok and is good. | 21:30 |
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| mattoliverau | clayg: I agree, but we're at a unique point where we're about to land and commit to an API, so bows the last chance | 21:31 |
| clayg | I think we should focus on documentation and maintainability - it's implemented at this point - getting used to it and building familiarity is the most important thing. | 21:31 |
| notmyname | ok, so mattoliverau is going to be looking at it. who else? tdasilva? clayg? | 21:31 |
| tdasilva | o/ | 21:32 |
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| mattoliverau | Me personally like it.. and after looking at the functional test changes (which I havent seen yet) I'm very close to +2 | 21:32 |
| notmyname | thanks tdasilva | 21:32 |
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| m_kazuhiro | tdasilva: Thank you! | 21:32 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: is there anything else specifically you wanted to bring up on this topic in this meeting today? | 21:33 |
| timburke | i'll probably try to take a look at it again. i had most of it loaded in my head at one point... | 21:33 |
| notmyname | timburke: thank you | 21:33 |
| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: Nothing | 21:33 |
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| acoles | me too, I'll try to play with it | 21:33 |
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| clayg | ^ same | 21:33 |
| notmyname | everyone will review it! :-) | 21:34 |
| clayg | i checked it out - i want to build the docs and read up on the api - i'm sure I'll spin it up and play with it | 21:34 |
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| m_kazuhiro | great! | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | I'll add an agenda item to next week's meeting to see where we are. hopefully, it will be on master by then!! | 21:34 |
| clayg | i'll probably look at the probe test and try to break that | 21:34 |
| clayg | notmyname: +1 | 21:34 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:35 |
| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: +1 | 21:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:35 | |
| tdasilva | clayg: container_sync is the part i've looked at the least, so any extra coverage there is a plus | 21:35 |
| notmyname | any other topics to bring up this week? there's nothing else as an agenta topic | 21:35 |
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| tdasilva | clayg: if you have the chance... | 21:35 |
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| joeljwright | just wanted to say thanks to timburke for following up on the data-in-slo patch | 21:36 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: that's another one I'd love to see landed soon :-) | 21:36 |
| timburke | oh yeah! that thing's looking pretty good now, as i recall... | 21:36 |
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| joeljwright | I'm really happy with the change to data/object segments | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | last week at AWS, the BBC was talking about "data formats where you can concatenate objects to get a continuous stream" | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | sounded like a great fit for the data segments :-) | 21:37 |
| joeljwright | cool! | 21:37 |
| timburke | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365371/ | 21:37 |
| patchbot | patch 365371 - swift - Add support for data segments to SLO and Segmented... | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | I'll try to take a look at that one, since I've looked before | 21:37 |
| notmyname | anything else? other patches or info to share? | 21:38 |
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| timburke | note that there's a dep on a little refactor patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512804/ | 21:38 |
| patchbot | patch 512804 - swift - Add base64decode function to common/utils | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | doesn't seem like there's other stuff to bring up | 21:39 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming today. and as always thanks for working on swift! | 21:40 |
| mattoliverau | Too early for brain to think :p | 21:40 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 21:40 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 6 21:40:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-12-06-21.16.html | 21:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-12-06-21.16.txt | 21:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-12-06-21.16.log.html | 21:40 |
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| zaitcev | (that was one good split just now) | 21:41 |
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| zaitcev | cool, thanks | 21:43 |
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