Wednesday, 2017-12-06

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zhiyuan#startmeeting tricircle01:00
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zhiyuani am going to submit the patch for our queens-2 release today. so queens-2 will include our lb and qos features01:01
zhiyuanhi yipei01:02
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zhiyuanand let's finish the deletion reliability feature in queens-301:02
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songthat is good.01:02
zhiyuannext let's sync the feature development progress01:03
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xuzhuangfor distinguish the direction of request, I have completed plugin.sh01:08
Yipei_1) already sent mail to Michael, it seems that he did not get my point, plan to ping him in irc. 2) begin writing spec for l3 networking model01:08
songfor deleting reliability I have finished the code.but have not test it yet.01:08
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zhiyuanxuzhuang: yes, i see that. i will test and review your patch today01:09
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songto zhiyuan my code have included your 470659 pr.01:09
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zhiyuanyipei: i also see your mail, yes, need further discussion with Michael i think. for the new l3 networking model, i think you can consider how the existing code can be reused, instead of writing a whole new logic01:13
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Yipei_to zhiyuan, got it with thanks01:15
zhiyuansong: could you prepare a patch and submit first? and what does "470659 pr" mean?01:15
songI write the code base on your this pull request.01:16
zhiyuanoh, that implementaion only saves "delete" state in memory, so it's not enough01:17
zhiyuanare you changing it to save state in DB?01:17
songI know I have use the db in center?01:17
songI know I have use the db in center01:18
songI will check in the center neutron in delete in db.01:18
zhiyuanthat's fine01:19
songI will pull the patch after have tested fine in my own computer.01:20
songbut first need wait xuzhuang pr to be merged.01:21
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zhiyuanyes, i will test that patch today and hope it can be merged this week01:22
songthat is fine.01:22
zhiyuanthen what about the spec for deletion reliability? this feature requires data model change so I will a spec is needed01:23
songthat have finished by ronghui.01:24
songhe write spec and i finish the code.01:24
songto RonghUI  hi?01:24
RonghUIi am here01:25
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zhiyuanhi, please submit the spec once you finish. the spec needs to be merged before the code gets merged01:26
RonghUIif xuzhuang want to do the security group deletion, we need to do some communication about the databases with him01:26
songyes that is right.01:26
songwe just use on data table.01:27
songwe just use the same data table in data base.01:27
RonghUIsince we need to add a table in db for deletion feature01:27
zhiyuanyes, better to design the new model for general purpose so we can easily support other resources later, if needed01:28
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songthat is right,can not agree with it more.01:28
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zhiyuanRonghUI: could you finish the spec this week?01:30
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RonghUImost of content has finished01:32
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RonghUIbut consider it need to add a table in db01:32
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RonghUIso we need to determine the parameters in this table for deletion01:33
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zhiyuansong: in your current implementation, have you already added a table?01:33
songI remember last week meeting ronghui have said the detail of the table.01:34
RonghUIand if xuzhuang want to do the security feature, need a communication for him if any parameters need to add in this table01:34
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songto xuzhuang you can communicate with us use wechart or email that is all ok.01:36
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zhiyuanRonghUI: so I think you can submit your draft spec first, then both xuzhuang and me can see your current idea01:36
RonghUIi will submit this spec in one week ASAP01:37
zhiyuanthen xuzhuang can think about how to finish the securty group part based on your design01:37
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xuzhuangyeah, waiting this spec01:38
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zhiyuansong: what about the bug I mentioned last week? and the service function chain update feature? any update from your team?01:40
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songthe bug zxh in doing for it.01:42
songthe feature is in testing.01:43
cygto zhiyuan,I am doing the service function chain update feature,but there are some problems with my environment,I will fix it soon and update the sfc code01:44
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zhiyuanso far for the progress update, any other topics?01:46
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RonghUIno for me01:47
songno for me too.01:47
RonghUIwait for a minutes01:47
Yipei_no from me01:48
xuzhuangno from me01:48
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zhiyuanRonghUI: please01:48
RonghUIcan we talk some for Trio2o, i just saw dongfeng submit a patch in Trio2o01:48
RonghUIif not, we can communicate in Trio2o channe01:49
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zhiyuanoh, let's talk this in trio2o channel01:50
zhiyuanopenstack-trio2o this channel?01:50
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zhiyuanok, let's finish our meeting, thanks for attending01:53
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gongysh#startmeeting tacker04:31
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec  6 04:31:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at
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phuoc__Hi all04:31
gongyshphuoc__, hi04:31
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phuoc__hi gongysh04:32
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MinWookKimHello :)04:32
gongyshMinWookKim, hi04:32
gongyshyamahata, helo04:32
MinWookKimgongysh, Hello04:33
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gongyshhelo, all04:34
longkbo/ gongysh04:35
gongysh#topic commit stats04:35
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gongyshour tacker ranks at 79th in commit metric04:35
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gongyshwe are lagging too mcuh behind.04:36
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phuoc__I hope can put some commits in Queens version04:37
gongysh56tacker198 in reviwe04:37
digaits 91 rank04:38
gongyshdiga,  your are right.04:38
gongyshso we need put more efforts.04:38
digagongysh: there are many reasons for this04:39
gongyshlets look at the review data in our tacker projects.04:40
YanXingAnend of 2017?04:40
gongyshall the data is bad for tacker projects04:40
gongyshso what do you guys have ideas to improve these data?04:41
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phuoc__I think we can fix some errors, or add new features04:42
gongyshphuoc__, you are nice to have many contribution.04:42
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digamain problem is, nobody is actively working on tacker except phuoc__04:43
gongyshdiga, any idea?04:43
digaI am owning some stuff and have planned weekly target for tacker for my org04:43
gongyshdiga, you are right04:44
diga1 bug is resolved and 3 bugs are in progress04:44
digawill finish those by end of this week04:44
digaAPI-framework base patch should get merged, because its a base template04:44
digagongysh: need your view on that04:45
gongysh diga , any way, queens focus is k8s vim and vnfs04:45
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digagongysh: I think every organisation should commit some time for tacker04:46
gongyshdiga, fill my name on the patch.04:46
digagongysh: ok04:46
phuoc__gongysh, diga, YanXingAn can you guys look at
phuoc__I think it looks good to be merged this spec04:46
gongysh#topic annoucement04:47
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gongyshqueens-2 milestone is close to deadline04:47
gongyshI will move all the tasks queued to queens-304:47
gongyshwe have finished k8s vim now.  in queens-3, lets focus on c-vnf impelmentation.04:48
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gongyshso that we have something to be announced.04:49
gongyshof course the vnffg bug and enhancement is also welcom04:49
gongysh#topic bp04:49
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longkbI found a bug in VNFFG operation while I was trying to deploy VNFFG04:50
phuoc__ This link is about how to define VNFC in TOSCA parser04:50
gongyshphuoc__,  could you please take your time to discuss the c-vnf bp?04:50
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phuoc__first, I bring to tosca-parser project to define VNFC04:51
phuoc__VNFC will be a part to define c-vnf in Tacker04:52
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phuoc__I will update c-vnf spec to describe this in detail04:52
digaphuoc__: so many things are pending on tosca side, my k8s setup is not working04:52
digaphuoc__: will some patches this week if everything goes well04:53
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gongyshthere is no vnfc at all there?04:54
phuoc__I will update this later04:55
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gongyshphuoc__, thanks04:55
gongyshphuoc__, we have no much time04:55
phuoc__another about
phuoc__mardim will start coding when this patch is merged04:56
gongyshwe had better have a helo vnf implemented in c-vnf format.04:56
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phuoc__gongysh, sure04:56
phuoc__I will describe it in template04:57
gongyshnext bp is zabbix04:57
gongyshMinWookKim, hi04:57
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MinWookKimgongysh, hello04:57
gongyshI have a comment on it about the token04:58
gongyshit will be  a design fault04:58
MinWookKimgongysh, I'm thinking of a solution to Token comments.04:58
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MinWookKimgongysh, But it seems to be a difficult problem.04:58
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MinWookKimgongysh, Can I ask you a question?04:59
gongyshMinWookKim, I have question: what is trigger in zabbix?04:59
gongyshis it constructed by tacker into zabbix when defining the monitor?05:00
MinWookKimgongysh,  trigger is a notification that occurs according to a specified condition.05:00
MinWookKimgongysh, Yes, that's right.05:00
gongyshand it will be triggered in zabbix server after a condition matched, right?05:00
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gongyshso the token will be there a long time.05:01
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MinWookKimgongysh, yes right.05:01
gongyshMinWookKim, you can start with implementation like ceilometer alarm driver.05:03
Hyunchicgongysh, do you consider this issue for security?05:03
gongyshalthough it is also a security risk.05:04
Hyunchichowever, Zabbix is not a openstack project, so it has a limitation.05:04
gongyshHyunchic, I am considering how zabbix called into tacker to trigger a action, such as respawn and scall05:05
MinWookKimgongysh, In fact what do you think putting aodh between zabbix and tacker?05:05
digaguys, I am leaving now, have some urgent work to do05:06
digasee you guys later05:06
gongyshdiga, thanks05:06
MinWookKimdiga, thanks05:06
gongyshI will put API base patch in.05:06
gongyshMinWookKim, what is your idea?05:06
gongyshour ceilometer driver is using aodh05:07
gongyshaodh has its own monitoring and trigger mechanism05:07
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gongyshit overlapping with zabbix server.05:08
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MinWookKimgongysh,you're right. I think we'll need a little more investigation.05:09
gongyshMinWookKim,  you can first merge with app action, no need to call into tacker05:09
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gongyshand then we can consider how to support scale, respawn action.05:09
Hyunchicyes it's better.05:09
MinWookKimgongysh, Okay. I'll make that BP edit.05:09
gongyshMinWookKim, ok, thanks. break it into pieces and finish one by one. thanks05:10
gongysh#topic open discussion05:10
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MinWookKimgongysh, thanks a lot05:10
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gongyshanything do you guys want to talk?05:10
Hyunchiclong time ago,05:11
jankigongysh, are we going to PTG?05:11
Hyunchici updated my code for port monitoring.05:11
gongyshjanki, I will not05:11
jankiso virtual PTG then05:11
gongyshif you guys want, you can have a meeting there.05:11
phuoc__For update vnffg:tacker vnffg-update --vnffgd-file vnffgd-template.yml <already created VNFFG name>05:12
longkbIn Sydney, we got a Use cases from NTT for HA feature over multi-compute nodes05:12
phuoc__gongysh, do you have any comment for that command05:12
longkbGongysh: Do you remember about it?05:12
gongyshlongkb, yes05:13
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gongysh phuoc__05:13
gongyshthis bp?05:14
phuoc__gongysh, yes05:14
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gongyshok, I will review after this meeting05:14
longkbAs I can see from Tacker features, Tacker only support to deploy VNF over VIMs from CLI. In the case of vendors want to deploy VNF over compute-node, they have to define it in VNFD, right?05:15
longkbI think we shoud enable VNF creation over availability zone from Tacker client without az inside VNFD05:16
gongyshlongkb, you are talking about openstack nova command05:16
longkbNo, I mentioned about Tacker command05:17
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gongyshlongkb, but you can implement it via tacker cli too.  define argument in vnfd and generate vnf with parameter.05:18
longkbOk, I will make a path about it :)05:18
gongyshby the way, I am voting for individual director, if you guys have fundation member ship, please support me.05:19
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phuoc__gongysh, sure :)05:19
gongyshphuoc__, thanks05:20
gongyshok if nothing else, we can end this meeting.05:20
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mugsie#startmeeting Designate14:23
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec  6 14:23:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at
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mugsie#topic Roll Call14:23
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* mugsie forgot he changed the time, sorry about that14:23
fricklernp, /me is patient ;)14:23
mugsie#action mugsie add new time to all his calenders14:23
mugsie#topic Announcements14:23
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mugsie#info q2 is tomorrow - if there is any "must have" patches please let me know14:24
mugsie#info We *will* have a room at the PTG in Dublin14:24
mugsie#topic Open Discussion14:24
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mugsieany issues / thoughts / from anyone?14:25
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fricklerregarding q-2, not sure how the timeframe for deprecations is, might be good to have in14:25
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fricklerthen I noticed that your dashboard seems kinda broken with the new gerrit and zuul stuff14:26
fricklerdid you generate that by hand or do you have a tool?14:26
mugsieoh, wow14:26
mugsiethere is a tool14:26
mugsielet me dig out the link14:26
mugsieI will update the query :)14:27
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fricklerand then the new requirements-check is choking up on our "doc/reqs.txt" from 201414:27
frickleradvice in #-infra was to just remove that file for now14:27
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mugsieOK, cool - thats the change to the new PTI I assume?14:28
fricklerthat is the failure14:28
mugsieso I can blame mordred then ... :)14:28
fricklerthat is the patch that introduced it14:29
fricklerI already blamed AJaeger, they both committed guilty ... kind of ;)14:29
fricklerfinal one from me would be regarding
mugsie#action mugsie remove docs/requirments.txt14:30
fricklerI'm not sure that the grenade stuff is working properly there14:31
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frickleris it really switching from manager to worker mode?14:31
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mugsienope - I thought I removed that14:31
mugsie(we can't do an upgrade test from one to the other, as grenade uses the config file from the old side in the new side)14:32
fricklerah, I assumed that this would be the primary scenario, upgrading from a pike deployment in manager mode to worker things14:33
mugsieI need to add disable_services to the grenade plugin config14:33
mugsiein pike worker model was the default prefered option, in theory14:35
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mugsiethe 2 -manager services are starting there, but are just failing straight away, and exiting14:36
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fricklerbut isn't that more or less the upgrade scenario that we want to happen? except that you could disable them so they don't have to fail?14:38
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mugsieyeah, they fail in the "old" side as well though14:38
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mugsielet me see what I can figure out14:40
mugsiewhen that merges though, we can say we support
frickleroh, that's a pretty short list14:41
mugsiemost people have not implemented the verify_no_api thing, or requre the API to access things14:42
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mugsiefrickler: do you think you will make over to Dublin ?14:44
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fricklermost likely not due to private reasons, sorry14:44
mugsieno problem - I will be putting an etherpad together in a week or so with topic ideas, so please help me fill it :)14:45
mugsieany other topics?14:46
fricklernone from me today14:46
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mugsiegreat - have a good day :)14:47
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ad_rien_#startmeeting massively-distributed-clouds15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec  6 15:00:47 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at
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ad_rien_#chair ad_rien_15:01
openstackCurrent chairs: ad_rien_15:01
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ad_rien_#topic roll call15:01
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msimoninhi all o/15:01
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ad_rien_#info agenda15:02
ad_rien_#link 154715:02
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ad_rien_May I ask you to add you name please on the etherpad15:02
ad_rien_line 1549 (in particular for DragonFlow folks :-O)15:02
oansonThe link is:
ad_rien_yes, we are line 155615:03
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ad_rien_so before diving into details today we have the usual ongoing action reviews and15:03
ad_rien_I hope a discussion around DragonFlow design choices.15:04
ad_rien_oanson: we were discussing about a possible presentation. I hope we can discuss it15:04
oansonad_rien_, yes. I've added a link to the etherpad15:04
ad_rien_Last but not the least, is parus there ?15:04
ad_rien_oanson:  thanks15:05
ad_rien_ok so let's start15:05
ad_rien_#topic Annoucement15:05
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ad_rien_so only a few information to share from my side.15:05
ad_rien_the OpenStack foundation tries to support edge actions15:06
ad_rien_they have created a new ML and they are trying to launch new actions15:06
ad_rien_I had a phone call with Jonathan last week to clarify the overlapping between these actions and the FEMDC SiG15:07
ad_rien_The goal is to try to move forward faster.15:07
ad_rien_So the first etherpad link is the general one (i.e. opened by the foundation)15:07
ad_rien_The second one is an overview of our activities15:07
ad_rien_To be honest, right now there is only a few interaction.15:07
ad_rien_I don't know what we can expect but at least it is great that the foundation is trying to push everything forward15:08
ad_rien_Maybe the second informtion I can share is related to the possibility to have a dedicated day during the next PTG in dublin15:08
ad_rien_I added that point in the open discussion section (if you are interested to take part to such sessions, please add your name)15:09
ad_rien_According to the number of persons, I will confirm our interest to the foundation.15:09
ad_rien_That's all from my side15:09
ad_rien_so any other news to share?15:09
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ad_rien_any folks from FBK?15:09
ad_rien_So if not let's move to the next topic15:10
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dancnad_rien_: no, for sure we will note be in Dublin15:10
ad_rien_dancn:  I just saw you now15:10
dancnbut we keep an eye!15:10
ad_rien_dancn:  ack15:10
dancnno proble!15:10
ad_rien_ok so let's move forward15:11
ad_rien_#topic ongoing actions - Use-cases15:11
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dancnwe disapperaed for a while, now back!15:11
msimoninwelcome back dancn :)15:11
ad_rien_Paul-Andre is not present (i didn't see him) but maybe dancn you can update a bit regarding the presentation you did in15:11
ad_rien_the Fog Congress15:11
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dancnYes, sure, I just added to ehterpad few notes15:12
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ad_rien_any other information.15:12
dancnwe will do an extended presentaiton at cloudcom, we can redo the presentation for you people at FEMDC15:12
ad_rien_Did you get valuable feedbacks from the fog congress15:12
ad_rien_it may make sense thanks15:13
dancnbasically it is a demo that show some problem in edge application with constrains and some "workaround"15:13
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ad_rien_still including OpenStack and kubernetes?15:13
dancnabout 20 people showed up, interested in seeing something more than a research prototype15:14
dancnyes both k8s and OS are involved15:14
ad_rien_and did you see some prototypes from your side that can supervise/operate edge infrastructures during the fog congress event?15:15
ad_rien_or your proposal was/is the most mature?15:15
dancnI was not there15:15
ad_rien_will be great to have information about that15:15
ad_rien_any other points/aspects to share?15:16
dancnwe internally do not had a sync meeting, but as soon as we do I will share15:16
ad_rien_if not I proppse to continue15:16
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ad_rien_ok so next point15:17
ad_rien_#topic ongoing-action-openstack++15:17
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ad_rien_no news from our side, need time to make progress on that part. I hope that a subgroup will take this action soon15:17
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ad_rien_#topic ongoing-action-P2P-openstack15:17
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ad_rien_regarding that point, we had a meeting last week with Ericsson folks. The meeting has been fruitful from my viewpoint.15:18
ad_rien_We present the P2P architecture using cockroach15:18
ad_rien_find some pros and cons. we will try to summary that on a white paper15:18
oansonCould you please refresh what's p2p?15:18
msimoninI think what Adrien mean is collaborative Openstack15:19
ad_rien_Meanwhile, Ericsson is progressing on an architecture that can enable several operators to share their resources15:19
ad_rien_msimonin:  thanks ;)15:19
rcherrueauA BitTorrent like OpenStack15:19
ad_rien_P2P Peer to Peer. sorry oanson15:19
rcherrueauMany OpenStack instances that collaborate15:19
oansonAh. I see. Thanks!15:20
ad_rien_in an edge infrastructure you will have several geo distributed DCs our goal is to be able to make several openstack collaborate15:20
ad_rien_ok that's all15:20
ad_rien_we have another meeting schedule on next friday15:20
ad_rien_I hope we will progress15:20
ad_rien_s/hope/I'm sure15:20
ad_rien_any question ?15:20
ad_rien_#topic ongoing-action-AMPQ15:21
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ad_rien_so ansmith kgiusti msimonin avankemp15:21
ad_rien_the floorsis yours15:21
kgiustiI defer to msimonin and avankemp as they are doing the heavy lifting...15:21
ad_rien_(sorry for the typo, please)15:21
kgiusti...but we have been engaging in a weekly meeting re: the msging testplan15:22
kgiustidetails in epad line 158315:22
avankempthe review has been merged (
msimoninSo we are now running initial experiments regarding this test plan15:23
msimoninon Grid'500015:23
msimoninWe have now some results to analyse15:23
ad_rien_looks great15:24
msimoninAs kgiusti said we are iterating with kgiusti and ansmith on the code / experiment design15:24
msimonininitial tests is about thousand of rpc client and rpc servers15:25
msimoninwe target 10^4 in the midterm15:25
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msimoninI'm not sure if I need to dive more into details15:26
ad_rien_that's ok from my side15:26
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ad_rien_any other comments from redhat folks?15:27
ad_rien_if not we can move to the next point.15:27
ad_rien_#topic ongoin-action-cockroach15:27
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kgiustiwe're good thanks15:27
ad_rien_the floor is yours rcherrueau15:27
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rcherrueaulemme keep it short15:28
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rcherrueauad_rien_ speeks about a collaborative OpenStack using cockroachdb15:28
rcherrueaubut you need to tweak the code the get the desiderata15:29
rcherrueauEspecially, there are nova queries that don't work, as it, on CockroachDB15:30
rcherrueauSo I do a soft that extracts all SQL queries performed during unit/functional tests15:30
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rcherrueauThe soft leverage subunit streams produced by ostestr, so the soft should work for keystone, glance, ... every unit/functional tests that use ostestr.15:32
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rcherrueauresult of the extraction is available online15:32
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rcherrueaube careful, files are huge15:33
ad_rien_be careful these are huge files15:33
ad_rien_(too slow)15:33
dancnLength: 233394340 (223M) [application/json]15:33
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rcherrueauNext step is running analysis of sql queries to identify easily where we have to change the nova code regarding cockroachdb investigation15:35
rcherrueauactually I already have an analysis that shows all correlated subqueries15:35
ad_rien_Maybe you can also add that by conducting this study a few of our students discovered that there is a lot of select 1 requests. While these requests are not so expensive in the context of a LAN deployment, they may become critical in the case of a WAN context.15:35
rcherrueauLemme polish the code and then I will share it with you15:35
rcherrueauthat all for me15:36
ad_rien_so I propose to move to the open discussion15:37
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ad_rien_and more precisely on the dragonflow aspect15:37
ad_rien_#topic open-discussions15:37
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ad_rien_regarding the PTG I already mentioned that if you are interested please add your name15:37
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ad_rien_so oanson the floor is your15:38
ad_rien_How do you want to proceed15:38
ad_rien_we have a webconference tool15:38
oansonWe can go over the short presentation I prepared15:38
oansonThe link is here:
ad_rien_or we can continue by IRC15:38
oansonLet's go with IRC. I think just setting it up won't be worth the time15:38
ad_rien_let's go15:39
oansonBasically up to slide 5 is very general introduction15:39
oansonSlide 5 basically says:15:39
oansonCloud network solution: General idea is Neutron backend15:39
oansonincluding taking care of connecting compute elements (VMs, containers, etc.), also across compute nodes.15:40
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oansonFully distributed is that we try to avoid any bottlenecks, centralized elements, etc.15:40
oansonFully open source in that everything is upstream, including design, implementation, strategies, etc. Being an openstack project everything is on gerrit.15:41
oansonSlides 6-7 goes a bit more in depth on what networking we do. But I would like to skip ahead to the architecture (Unless anyone has any preferences). We can always come back to it later15:41
ad_rien_please go ahead15:42
ad_rien_I think this is the right way to progress15:42
oansonSo slide 9 shows the birds-eye view architecture. The top most node is the API layer - currently a neutron server with Dragonflow plugins15:42
oansonThe Dragonflow elements here are ML2 plugins and service drivers15:42
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oansonThese plugins only translate the Neutron objects to Dragonflow objects, and push them to the distributed database.15:43
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oansonThe distributed database is in the centre in this schema, but in general it is distributed across the Datacenter/cloud/deployment15:43
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oansonEach compute node (The satellites) pulls the information from the distributed database, and applies the policy locally.15:44
oansonAdditionally, there's also a pub/sub mechanism where the Neutron server publishes the policy, and the compute nodes subscribe to it.15:44
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oansonThe compilation of the policy translates high-level objects (e.g., ports, networks, subnets, security groups) to OpenFlow rules.15:45
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oansonThese rules are then installed in the (currently) OVS switch, which is the forwarding element for packets between compute elements15:45
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oansonThat's it for this slide :)15:45
ansmithoanson: is olso.messaging used for pub/sub or separate library?15:45
oansonansmith, a separate library.15:46
msimoninoanson: what message settlement (at least/most/exacly) is offered by the publish/subscribe ?15:46
oansonWe have implemented pub/sub ourselves in a pluggable way, so we can utilize either distributed db-based pub sub (as provided by Redis or Etcd) or use a broker based one (currently ZMQ)15:46
oansonmsimonin, sorry?15:46
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msimoninWhat happen if messages cannot reach the satellite for a small periods of time ?15:47
ad_rien_to All: may I ask you to add your questions into the etherpad15:47
ad_rien_so we can keep trace of them15:47
msimonincan it lead to inconsistency in the satellite configuration ?15:47
ad_rien_and go through each of theam15:47
oansonThe pub/sub mechanism is considered only an optimization. The 'gold standard' is what's in the database.15:47
ad_rien_(just to facilitate the discussion, I think we have all a couple of questions)15:47
oansonWe rely on the distributed database to (eventually) contain the correct configuration, and therefore the correct configuration will eventually reach the satellites.15:48
msimoninoanson:  you mean that at any time a agent can get it's whole configuration from the database ?15:48
oansonmsimonin, yes. Exactly.15:48
msimoninoanson: great, thanks15:48
oansonSo slides 10 and 11 show the architecture a bit more in depth. Slide 10 stresses DB and pub/sub pluggability.15:49
ad_rien_oanson:  would it be possible to go through slides 15 and after?15:49
ad_rien_I think this is also an important aspect for the SiG15:49
oansonLet me just say 2 words on slide 10:15:49
oansonEverything is pluggable, in that different db stores and pub/sub mechanisms can be used for each deployment, according to the deployment needs.15:50
oansone.g. in some cases Redis performs better than etcd (or vice versa), and in some cases you have to use ZMQ for pub/sub (which is db agnostic)15:50
oansonSlide 15-16 shows the two options we had in mind for fog/edge/massively distributed architectures.15:51
oansonThe first option is either to treat each datacentre (small cloud in the diagrams) as a standalone deployment15:51
oansonThen use cross-cloud connectivity solutions for the datacentres to communicate15:52
ad_rien_like Tricircle proposal somehow15:52
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oansonThe second option (slide 16) is to have a single large Dragonflow deployment spread across multiple clouds, and use a tunneling solutions to communicate15:52
oansonThe first option should be much easier to implement than the second. The only pro of the second (in my opinion) is that you have a single entity and then, once it works, management should be easier.15:53
ad_rien_just one point which is not clear15:53
oansonAdditionally, with a single entity more information is available for each controller, and perhaps better decision making is possible15:53
ad_rien_why do you need to tunnel all traffics in the second possibility15:54
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ad_rien_(sorry if my question looks naive but I'm not sure I'm understanding well)15:54
ad_rien_in a context of a network operator15:54
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oansonad_rien_, I'm guessing we would have to have an IPSec like solution, since the traffic (probably) has to be encrypted.15:54
ad_rien_you may consider to have mandatory ports opened15:54
ad_rien_so for data privacy/security isseus15:55
oansonad_rien_, the tunnels exist because I assumed you want a mesh connectivity - everyone can communicate with everyone15:55
ad_rien_but this problem is already present in a traditional cloud system15:55
oansonAnd if you don't *have* to go through the main cloud, it's better to connect ad-hoc.15:55
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ad_rien_this is indeed an assumption we take for the P2P openstack scenarion (at least right now in order to make the complex story a bit easier)15:55
oansonad-hoc - in a mesh topology15:56
ad_rien_so 4 min left15:56
ad_rien_may I propose to put all questions you would like to discuss on the pad15:56
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oansonI think I went over the main points of the presentation.15:56
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msimoninthanks oanson !15:56
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ad_rien_and then we can discuss them during the next point15:56
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oansonI'll try to answer them on the pad as well15:56
ad_rien_oanson:  moreover, do you think it makes sense for your to take part to the braimstorming discussions related to the P2P openstack15:56
rcherrueauoanson: Thanks, any chance to implement Dragonflow in kolla-ansible?15:56
msimoninrcherrueau: +115:57
oansonrcherrueau, I think we already have a kolla image.15:57
ad_rien_to be honest we are not at the level of the network (i.e. enabling communication between 2 vms, each one being deployed on a dedidacted site)15:57
oansonad_rien_, sure.15:57
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ad_rien_but if you think it is relevant from your side, it would be great to have you on board15:57
ad_rien_3 min before ending the meeting15:57
oansonad_rien_, at the very least, it's important for us to know what problems exist to be solved15:57
rcherrueauoanson: And in kolla ansible, something like `enable_dragonflow: yes` or `neutron_plugin: dragonflow`15:58
ad_rien_should we discuss any particular point?15:58
oansonrcherrueau, I'll have to check. It was written by an external contributor15:58
msimoninrcherrueau:  +1000 :)15:58
rcherrueauoanson: OK, thanks.15:58
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ad_rien_Unfortunately we are going to end the meeting15:58
ad_rien_but I'm available by skype if you want to discuss  a bit15:59
ad_rien_notes are on the etherpad too15:59
ad_rien_so thanks for all15:59
ad_rien_and CU next meeting15:59
parusSorry about that.15:59
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jungleboyjCourtesy ping:  jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh16:01
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jungleboyjGuessing that this might be kind-of quiet given people are at kubecon.16:02
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DuncanTI wish I was at kubecon16:02
tommylikehujungleboyj:  how many cinder guys are there16:02
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  and jgriffith16:02
smcginnisI've seen many familiar faces.16:02
walshhHi Helen here16:02
jungleboyjwalshh:  Hey!  Great to have you join us!16:03
tommylikehuhi walshh16:03
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walshhabout time for me16:03
jungleboyjwalshh:  I wasn't going to say it ... but yes.  :-)16:03
walshhHope ye all enjoyed Sydney16:03
walshhWish I had been able to travel16:03
jungleboyjWe did.  Wish you could have been there but looking forward to seeing you in Dublin.16:03
* jungleboyj needs a tour guide. ;-)16:04
lhx_hi all16:04
jungleboyjlhx_:  Welcome.16:04
walshhI lived there for 2 years about 17 years ago16:04
walshhI will need a tour guide16:04
lhx_jungleboyj, thanks ;)16:04
jungleboyjwalshh:  Ok, you can just join us for the fun then.16:04
jungleboyjOk, so lets get started.16:04
jungleboyj#topic announcements16:05
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jungleboyjWe are coming up on the later part of the release so the review tracking becomes more important here.16:06
jungleboyjIf you have a spec that is in there and have reviews being put up, please update the list so we can be focusing on those reviews.16:06
* abishop is adding his reviews16:06
jungleboyjWould really like to be able to get the code to go with the specs in.16:06
jungleboyjabishop:  Thank you!16:06
jungleboyjA reminder on the Queens schedule ...16:07
jungleboyjMilestone 2 is tomorrow.16:07
jungleboyjThat leaves us with a month and a half until feature freeze.16:07
jungleboyjWith holidays and stuff that makes knowing what we are trying to get merged important.  So, see request above.  :-)16:08
jungleboyjI am planning to propose the milestone 2 branch later this afternoon.16:08
jungleboyjAny questions around all of that fun?16:08
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jungleboyjhemna_:  There you go   :-)16:09
jungleboyjMoving on.16:09
jungleboyj#topic Drivers Merged in Queens16:09
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jungleboyjJust wanted to note that we have gotten the DataCore and Inspur drivers merged for queens.16:10
jungleboyjThank you to everyone who did reviews and helped get those in place.16:10
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jungleboyjWith watching CIs and stuff it takes a lot of work to guide those in.16:11
jungleboyjOk, so on to the rest of the agenda:16:11
jungleboyj#topic Nominate volume bulk create for Spec Freeze Exception16:11
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jungleboyjwalshh: and tommylikehu16:11
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tommylikehujungleboyj:  thanks16:11
e0nedo we have implementation proposal?16:11
hemna_so we are doing bulk create now?16:12
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jungleboyjhemna_: e0ne  That is what this discussion is for.16:12
hemna_oh :)16:12
e0neif there is a patch with implementation spec freeze exceptions could be reasonable16:12
tommylikehujungleboyj:  we just wondering if we can give more time on this16:12
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tommylikehue0ne:  I guess walshh  is working on this these days16:13
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jungleboyjSo, first question is based the notes from Denver:16:13
jungleboyjHas the Nova team been approached about adding Bulk Attach to the API?16:14
walshhMatt Riedemann has commented on the review and is not prepared to support bulk attaches at this point16:15
tommylikehuwalshh:  can you share the progress you have made with Nova?16:15
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jungleboyjwalshh: Ok, so I think that ends up being a non-starter for us at this point based on the discussion we had in Denver.16:16
jungleboyjjgriffith: Had some strong feelings about that being required for this to move forward.16:17
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jungleboyjUnfortunately he is not here.16:18
tommylikehujungleboyj:  understood16:18
jungleboyjSo, tommylikehu walshh What is the urgency for getting this in for Queens?16:19
walshhI was initially thinking Rockies timeframe16:19
jungleboyjwalshh:  As was I, at best.16:19
walshhI just don't know will we get the nova buy in16:20
walshheven in Rockies16:20
jungleboyjtommylikehu: So, why the push for Queens?16:20
jungleboyjwalshh: If there is not bulk attach what is the use case?16:20
tommylikehujungleboyj:  I just want to get more team's attention on this16:20
jungleboyjtommylikehu:  Fair enough, but don't need a freeze exception for that.  :-)16:21
tommylikehujungleboyj:  and would like to help on this feature if we have the chance to have this feature approved16:21
tommylikehujungleboyj:  ok16:21
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jungleboyjSo here is my proposal ... I think that walshh has been making good progress on the spec.16:22
jungleboyje0ne: Notes that it might help to see code associated with this.16:22
jungleboyjI agree.16:22
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jungleboyjI feel that walshh 's target for Rockie is more appropriate.16:23
walshhI have a POC started, but I will need to amend bases on Tommy's feedback16:23
jungleboyjwalshh:  Cool.16:23
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e0newalshh: any early PoC on the gerrit will be very helpful16:23
walshhnot submitted yet, but I can get it there soon16:24
jungleboyjwalshh: Cool.16:24
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jungleboyjLets get those pieces in place and then plan a cross project meeting with Nova in Dublin to see if we can make progress there.16:24
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jungleboyjI know they aren't going to consider anything right now.16:25
e0nejungleboyj: +1, sounds reasonable16:25
jungleboyjDepending on how that discussion goes we can readdress if we are going to move on this for the R release.16:25
jungleboyjThat sound good for everyone?16:26
tommylikehujungleboyj: fair enough16:26
walshhSounds good to me16:26
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jungleboyj#action walshh to continue to respond to comments on the spec16:26
jungleboyj#action walshh to put up a PoC of the code for Cinder16:26
jungleboyj#action team to review and comment16:26
tommylikehujungleboyj:  thanks!16:27
jungleboyj#action jungleboyj  to schedule cross-project session with Nova in Dublin on this.16:27
jungleboyjtommylikehu: No problem.16:27
jungleboyjWe will keep this moving but don't need a spec freeze for it.16:27
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jungleboyjwalshh: Once we start R you will need to move the spec forward to there.16:28
walshhok, will do16:28
jungleboyj:-)  Cool.16:28
e0neI think, we can start accept specs for R starting tomorrow16:28
jungleboyje0ne:  Oh, good point.16:28
jungleboyjOnce we close out Q.  I think you are right.16:28
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tommylikehue0ne:  that's great!16:29
smcginnisYeah, no reason we can't get those going already.16:29
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Good.  Thanks for the input.16:29
jungleboyjAnything else on this topic?16:29
jungleboyj#topic Open Discussion16:30
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jungleboyjAnything else we need to discuss today?16:30
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e0ne#link :)16:31
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e0neI hope, CI will pass in this ^^16:32
jungleboyje0ne:  Nice.16:32
tommylikehue0ne:  lol16:32
jungleboyjThank you.16:32
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jungleboyjWas going to go look at doing that but now I don't need to.  :-)16:32
e0nejungleboyj: :)16:33
e0nesmcginnis, jungleboyj: do you know anything about Rocky schedule?16:33
jungleboyjIt should be out there.  Hold on.16:33
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smcginnise0ne: I don't think everything is finalized yet, but should be soon.16:34
e0nesmcginnis: ok, thanks16:34
jungleboyjHmmm yeah, not there yet.16:34
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jungleboyjI will let everyone here know when it is out.16:35
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jungleboyjOk.  If there is nothing else we can wrap up.16:36
e0nesee you next week16:36
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jungleboyjYep.  Thank you everyone for coming and for your work on Cinder!16:37
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bh526r#startmeeting gluon18:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec  6 18:01:53 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at
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bh526r#topic Roll Call18:02
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bh526r#info Bin Hu18:02
jinliHi Bin18:02
bh526rHi Jin, good morning.18:02
jinli#info JinLi18:02
jinligood morning18:02
bh526r#topic Update18:02
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jinliBin, I have a new patch for the plugin backend18:03
jinliI still need to run some test to make sure it works18:03
bh526rI see. so it is still a work in progress18:03
jinlibut you can review it and give me some feed back18:03
bh526rlet me know once you feel it is ready18:03
bh526rBTW, have you abandoned those 2 old patches with -1?18:04
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jinlinot yet, I am going to do it today18:04
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bh526rsounds good18:05
bh526rnot much from my side.18:05
jinlithe new patch is implemented as we have discussed, walk through ymal and find the bindings18:05
jinlioh another thing18:05
bh526r#info Jin has submitted a new patch, "Auto generate backend for core plug_in "18:06
jinliI make devstack and gluon working in my local18:06
bh526rgreat. what was the problem?18:06
bh526r#info run some test to make sure it works as expected18:06
jinliwant to schedule a time so you can show me how to run a test case from the devstack side18:07
bh526r#info Then Jin will let us know to have a review18:07
jinlii.e. create vm from devstack18:07
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jinliI will schedule a meeting with you later this week18:07
bh526r#info Jin will also abandon those 2 old patches18:09
bh526rBTW, may we cancel the IRC meeting next week because of ONAP?18:09
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jinliI will attend the first two days of ONAP18:10
jinliyou have one talk on Tuesday?18:11
bh526rWill you take holidays in the last 2 weeks this month?18:11
jinlino, only the last week18:11
bh526rOne Tuesday, and one Wednesday (before the closing remark)18:11
jinliOh, ok18:11
bh526rI see.18:11
jinliI will attend your Tuesday one18:11
bh526rFeel free to schedule a time later this week, and see you next week in Santa Clara18:12
jinliOk,I am abandon the 2 patch now.18:12
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bh526ranything else?18:15
jinlithat's all from my side18:15
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bh526rgreat. Nothing from my side. So talk to you later this week and see you next week18:15
bh526r#topic AOB18:16
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bh526r#info IRC meeting canceled next week Dec 13 because of ONAP in Santa Clara18:16
bh526r#info Nothing else, and meeting adjourned18:16
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bh526rbye Jin18:16
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SotKstoryboard time!19:05
SotK#startmeeting storyboard19:05
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SotK#link Agenda19:06
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SotKI expect today will be fairly quick19:06
SotK#topic In Progress Work19:06
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SotKso, the email bug got sorted out, thanks fungi!19:07
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SotKin other news, I addressed Zara's comments on so that we can unblock those19:08
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Zaraneat, thanks!19:09
Zara(sorry I'm late, my food was ready)19:09
SotKnp :)19:10
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SotKwelcome fungi19:11
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fungionly thing i had (aside from noting that storyboard.o.o is now exempted frmo the spamhaus policy blocklist entry rackspace blankets their ipv4 allocations with), is that kolla-kubernetes bugs have been migrated today19:12
SotKhow did that go?19:13
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fungifine, import was probably around 20-30 minutes to complete19:13
fungii wasn't timing it, but should have done19:13
Zarasounds good19:14
Zara20-30 mins sounds specific enough for us tbh19:14
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fungidiscussion on the migration goal proposal is also coming along19:15
SotKso I see19:16
SotKI had a skim of it but not yet a proper read19:16
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fungithanks, gertty was taking too long to pull it up for me so i could grab the link19:16
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ZaraI've also been lurking19:17
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Zarasince I think anything I write would read as 'storyboard storyboard storyboard' anyway19:18
fungii think most of the concerns have been assuaged at this point other than where it would be nice to have a smoother experience on private story reporting and the need to generally just get some more projects migrated before we set it as a goal19:18
SotKthey seem like fair concerns19:19
fungikmalloc mentioned earlier this week that the discussion around migrating had come up in #openstack-keystone and they're concerned about the private story situation getting resolved before considering it19:19
fungibeing one of the more security-critical projects we have19:19
SotKI think we had a plan on how to solve the private story reporting somewhere in our meeting logs, idk if it ever got written up into a story19:19
* SotK will confirm he isn't going mad and do so later19:20
fungithat would be awesome if you get a chance19:20
ZaraI'm about 70% certain it did19:21
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fungii didn't have anything else. dunno whether diablo_rojo_phon has anything to add from kubecon, but she's probably otherwise occupied there at the moment19:21
Zara(istr it involved having a specific tag and then notifying teams subscribed to the tag, all I can find atm is:!/story/2000568)19:23
Zarawhere the tag wasn't a freeform thing so that people would definitely get the right one19:23
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Zaraapplied via a checkbox?19:23
SotKZara: that sounds similar to my memory19:23
fungiahh, so overloading story tags for auto access?19:23
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SotKI don't remember if it was using actual tags or setting a "vulnerability" flag on the story19:25
ZaraI'm not *certain* if it was a tag or if we were going to add a field in the db19:25
Zarayeah I think we might've settled on db in the end19:25
fungito me the critical bit to solve is having some logic for granting private story access to specific accounts or, preferably, predefined groups of accounts19:25
ZaraI think that was fairly straightforward (just hooking up 'teams' to view permissions)19:25
Zaraand the tricky bit was on the reporting side19:25
Zarabecause we needed people to consistently make them private19:26
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fungiright, seems like that piece is probably solvable in the webclient19:26
Zaraso eg: they couldn't write 'private' themselves as a tag because they might write 'prrrivate' or something19:26
fungithere's already a "private" checkbox when reporting a new story19:26
SotKaha, found the discussion19:27
fungimy ideal future would be having a reporting url which defaults the private setting true for a new story and hides it19:27
fungiand then we can just use that url in our reporting suspected vulnerabilities workflow documentation19:28
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SotKthat sounds like a good idea, and ties in with the need from other docs folks to link to a partially filled story creation thing19:29
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fungiagreed, fairly similar19:29
fungijust involving a different field19:29
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fungiso what's the situation with "teams" in sb right now? is that still theoretical/roadmap or is it implemented? partly implemented? anything there at all yet?19:30
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SotKteams are pretty much complete in storyboard19:31
SotKthey can be created and edited by admins iirc19:31
Zarawe've had them in storyboard-dev for a while19:31
SotKand can be added to the permission list for stories19:31
Zaraif you want to poke around there19:31
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fungiand can access be granted to a team for a private story yet, or is that still just supportnig individual accounts?19:31
fungihah, you answered that already19:31
SotKyou can't add teams to boards/worklists permissions yet though19:32
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SotKthere's a really old half finished patch for that somewhere that is fairly high on my todo list to revisit19:32
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fungii can see people being interested in access controls for boards and worklists, but for now i'm mostly just concerned with the private story situation since vmt needs are seen a s major migration blocker19:33
SotKmakes sense19:33
fungithat's excellent news though19:33
Zarayeah, I think the roadmap side is fairly clear at least and we're mainly struggling for time.19:33
Zarato actually do the things19:33
fungicloser to solved than i realized even19:33
SotKI think the main missing piece there is that currently the bug reporter has to manually remember to add the VMT (if someone were to make such a team in sb) to their story19:34
Zarathat's it, because private =! sec vulnerability19:34
Zarait might sometimes or it might not19:34
fungiyeah, i expect that's something which could also be done via the not-yet-defined custom reporting urls mechanism19:34
Zarawhich is how we ended up with needing a specific tag or other mechanism to report sec vuln, I remember now.19:35
fungiso the suspected vulnerability reporting url could set private true and add access for the vmt19:35
SotKZara: yep19:35
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SotKfungi: indeed, though I feel like we'd still need some mechanism for it in storyboard itself to catch folk who don't follow that link19:36
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fungii can certainly see having bolt-on automation autoadd vmt access to private stories with a "security" tag on them, as a workaround19:36
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SotK#action SotK to add detail to the private stories story19:38
SotKanything else?19:38
fungias for the "making sure private stories don't slip through the cracks" problem, the solution launchpad adopted was to have the ability to set a team (on a per-project basis) which automatically has access to any private bug reports19:38
fungiso teams could set that as the vmt or as their own team-specific core security reviewers team, whoever is expected to triage those19:39
funginot sure how something like that would align with the current data model around teams and permissions in sb19:40
fungiand no, nothing else from me this week19:41
SotKthat's certainly something to consider, my only immediate concern is of it being a stepping stone to adding full permissions for projects and so on19:42
SotKwhich is something we've deliberately avoided so far19:43
fungiagreed, makes sense to avoid19:43
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fungiwonder if it would make sense to have an option to prevent adding a private story without selecting at least one team to grant access for19:45
fungiso that a naive reporter couldn't accidentally create a story only they could see19:46
SotKyeah, that could make sense I guess, though it could be limiting if someone deliberately wanted to create a private story visible to only them and certain other people for whatever reason19:47
* SotK doesn't really see there being much benefit in doing that, but I guess some follk might19:47
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fungiwell, the certain other people part is probably solvable if you just require that the reporter add at least one team or an account who isn't them19:48
fungiand sure, it seems like it could be a global setting to turn that behavior on/off for a deployment19:48
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SotKyeah, I think I'd prefer "at least one team or other person", or make it fully configurable19:49
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fungimakes sense19:50
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* SotK will leave the meeting open for a couple of minutes in case anyone has anything further to discuss19:52
SotKthanks for attending folk!19:54
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notmynameswift team meeting time21:16
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notmyname#startmeeting swift21:16
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec  6 21:16:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:16
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:16
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notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:17
claygm_kazuhiro: !!!21:17
patchbotI am!21:17
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acolesI am21:17
notmynameis kota_ here?21:17
notmynametdasilva: cschwede: rledisez: ?21:18
tdasilvayep! sorry i'm here21:18
tdasilvacurrently discussion swift+barbican integration on #tripleo21:18
notmynameok,let's get started21:19
notmynamethe swiftstack hiatus is coming to a close. we'll be jumping back in to container sharding and other things21:19
notmynameso, sorry about that. the last few weeks of not doing anything21:19
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notmynameI went through the backports earlier to land those21:20
notmynameplease let me know if there are other things that should be backported21:20
timburkeone upside to it though: i'm currently working on some documentation about bimodal support in proxyfs. i figure kota_ at least is interested :-)21:20
notmynamealso, pay attention to the PTG registration. I hear the hotel is tightly booked already, and there isn't a lot of stuff in the area21:21
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notmynameso don't delay on those logistics21:21
mattoliverauHopefully I won't here last minute again then :(21:21
notmynameok, before we talk about symlinks with m_kazuhiro, is there any other announcement/info things to bring up?21:22
notmyname#topic symlinks21:22
tdasilvafor anyone that won't be staying at the ptg hotel and happens to be looking for another hotel in the area, cschwede and I have booked elsewhere, ping me if you want details...21:22
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notmynametdasilva: great! thanks21:22
mattoliverautdasilva: cool, ta21:22
notmynamem_kazuhiro has been hard at work on
patchbotpatch 232162 - swift - Symlink implementation.21:22
notmynameand it has a +2 from kota_!21:23
notmynamem_kazuhiro: what do we need to discuss on it this week?21:23
mattoliverauI plan on going over it today, now that kota_s follow up has been squashed in21:23
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mattoliverauIt looks good, I'm keen to get it in21:23
notmynamemattoliverau: thanks21:23
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notmynameyeah, it's a great feature to have21:24
joeljwrightdamn these timezones!21:24
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notmynamejoeljwright: no worries. we started late anyway21:24
mattoliverauIt's a joeljwright21:24
notmynamem_kazuhiro: for those of us who haven't been keeping close track on it, where's the best starting place?21:24
m_kazuhiroplease one minute...21:25
notmynamealso, ( mattoliverau, timburke, acoles, tdasilva, clayg) do we want an extra +2 on this (ie more than 2)?21:25
claygi see api docs and functional tests - so I'm guessing it's pretty done at this point21:26
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tdasilvanotmyname: i like that idea...honestly...the concept of the middlware is really not that complicated, the code is somewhat short for the middleware itself..of the ~500 lines, i think over half of it is documentation21:27
m_kazuhiroYes. API-docs and comments of head of will be good start point.21:27
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notmynamem_kazuhiro: ok, thanks. good to know21:27
mattoliverauI think people should go have a play, see if they like the API. Now's the chance if they want something changed.21:27
claygis kota around?21:28
claygkota_: what would YOU like to see as far as additional review21:28
notmynamehaven't seen kota_ here yet21:28
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m_kazuhiroI want merge symlink before christmas weeks. Please ask me questions which you have about symlink!21:30
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claygSo my read is kota said he thinks it's ready to be on master - he thinks it's better to have it running on his production clusters than not - that carries a lot of weight in my book.  I'd be hard pressed to ask for a significant design change at this point21:30
notmynamem_kazuhiro: yes. i know you've really wanted to get it in soon :-)21:30
mattoliverauAs tdasilva says, the middleware is pretty straight forward. It's easy to grok and is good.21:30
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mattoliverauclayg: I agree, but we're at a unique point where we're about to land and commit to an API, so bows the last chance21:31
claygI think we should focus on documentation and maintainability - it's implemented at this point - getting used to it and building familiarity is the most important thing.21:31
notmynameok, so mattoliverau is going to be looking at it. who else? tdasilva? clayg?21:31
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mattoliverauMe personally like it.. and after looking at the functional test changes (which I havent seen yet) I'm very close to +221:32
notmynamethanks tdasilva21:32
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m_kazuhirotdasilva: Thank you!21:32
notmynamem_kazuhiro: is there anything else specifically you wanted to bring up on this topic in this meeting today?21:33
timburkei'll probably try to take a look at it again. i had most of it loaded in my head at one point...21:33
notmynametimburke: thank you21:33
m_kazuhironotmyname: Nothing21:33
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acolesme too, I'll try to play with it21:33
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clayg^ same21:33
notmynameeveryone will review it! :-)21:34
claygi checked it out - i want to build the docs and read up on the api - i'm sure I'll spin it up and play with it21:34
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notmynameI'll add an agenda item to next week's meeting to see where we are. hopefully, it will be on master by then!!21:34
claygi'll probably look at the probe test and try to break that21:34
claygnotmyname: +121:34
notmyname#topic open discussion21:35
m_kazuhironotmyname: +121:35
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tdasilvaclayg: container_sync is the part i've looked at the least, so any extra coverage there is a plus21:35
notmynameany other topics to bring up this week? there's nothing else as an agenta topic21:35
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tdasilvaclayg: if you have the chance...21:35
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joeljwrightjust wanted to say thanks to timburke for following up on the data-in-slo patch21:36
notmynamejoeljwright: that's another one I'd love to see landed soon :-)21:36
timburkeoh yeah! that thing's looking pretty good now, as i recall...21:36
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joeljwrightI'm really happy with the change to data/object segments21:36
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notmynamelast week at AWS, the BBC was talking about "data formats where you can concatenate objects to get a continuous stream"21:36
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notmynamesounded like a great fit for the data segments :-)21:37
patchbotpatch 365371 - swift - Add support for data segments to SLO and Segmented...21:37
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notmynameI'll try to take a look at that one, since I've looked before21:37
notmynameanything else? other patches or info to share?21:38
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timburkenote that there's a dep on a little refactor patch:
patchbotpatch 512804 - swift - Add base64decode function to common/utils21:38
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notmynamedoesn't seem like there's other stuff to bring up21:39
notmynamethanks for coming today. and as always thanks for working on swift!21:40
mattoliverauToo early for brain to think :p21:40
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zaitcev(that was one good split just now)21:41
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torgomaticnothing much happened during the split; notmyname just said we were done and ended the meeting21:42
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notmynamezaitcev: I saw when you left. you didn't miss anything21:42
zaitcevcool, thanks21:43
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kota_Wake up now21:56
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