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| nickthetait | Hello | 05:46 |
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| eumel8 | good morning | 06:59 |
| eumel8 | anyone there for i18n team meeting | 07:00 |
| eumel8 | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 22 07:01:02 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:01 |
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| ianychoi | hi | 07:08 |
| eumel8 | hello :) | 07:11 |
| ianychoi | :) | 07:11 |
| eumel8 | one attendee | 07:11 |
| ianychoi | Me and you - two :) | 07:11 |
| eumel8 | welcome | 07:11 |
| eumel8 | tea? coffee? | 07:12 |
| ianychoi | I like both, but now prefer to coffee since evening is coming | 07:12 |
| eumel8 | ah, true | 07:13 |
| ianychoi | how about u? :) | 07:13 |
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| eumel8 | I forgot it ;) | 07:14 |
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| eumel8 | it's very early | 07:14 |
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| eumel8 | and still snowing | 07:14 |
| ianychoi | Wow.. | 07:14 |
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| ianychoi | Seems strange March | 07:14 |
| ianychoi | Yesterday there were snow here | 07:15 |
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| eumel8 | I heard some rumors about Spring but nothing happen | 07:15 |
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| ianychoi | Haha | 07:16 |
| eumel8 | and I hate the new S release name ;) | 07:16 |
| ianychoi | Hmm, Solar? | 07:16 |
| eumel8 | yes, it's the name of a bar | 07:17 |
| eumel8 | a little bit ... pixilated | 07:17 |
| eumel8 | http://www.solarberlin.com/ | 07:17 |
| ianychoi | Yep.. the next step is to consider legal issues, but I have no idea on that | 07:17 |
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| eumel8 | Oracle has copyrights in the name because of the old operating system Solaris. Hopefully that will help to kill them. | 07:19 |
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| ianychoi | Haha :) | 07:19 |
| ianychoi | By the way, is there agenda today? | 07:19 |
| eumel8 | ok, second name is Stein - also not better | 07:19 |
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| ianychoi | I don't like Stein | 07:19 |
| eumel8 | sure, as already we have an agenda, but you will hate it too ;) | 07:20 |
| eumel8 | #topic Project Doc translation | 07:20 |
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| ianychoi | Hmm, | 07:20 |
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| ianychoi | I have been still trying to contact with mordred but unfortunately I have failed. | 07:21 |
| ianychoi | From my understanding, he implemented PTI (Project Testing Interface) and some doc build scripts | 07:21 |
| eumel8 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545377/ | 07:22 |
| eumel8 | mhmm, okay | 07:22 |
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| ianychoi | IMO still it is worth merging this, but I think AJaeger wants to see more specific plans - how pot & po files will be associated with translated project doc build. | 07:23 |
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| ianychoi | Since eumel8 is also co-author on this, I would like to ask you to share your opinion on this. | 07:24 |
| eumel8 | I thought we were just about to finish. But it's true, we haven't the full picture yet | 07:25 |
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| ianychoi | Net spilts.. | 07:26 |
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| eumel8 | btw: a nice comment from clarkb in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/550814/ | 07:27 |
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| eumel8 | we should keep that in mind to move logical things out in project repos | 07:27 |
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| eumel8 | it would be more de-centralized | 07:28 |
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| ianychoi | "should changes like this start going into repo specific config?" | 07:28 |
| eumel8 | yes | 07:29 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, would you tell more on that? Seems that there are too many changes on projects.yaml file? | 07:29 |
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| eumel8 | it was stable branch for tripleo-ui translation | 07:30 |
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| eumel8 | as you can see in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:translation-jobs-queens+(status:open+OR+status:merged) we had some proposals for new queens branches. Most of them are time critical for release. infra team can't support this anytime, so the idea would be the project team self is responsible for that. | 07:32 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. | 07:32 |
| ianychoi | For that background, in my opinion, this kind of style: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/www/project-data | 07:32 |
| ianychoi | - that might be what we need. | 07:32 |
| eumel8 | could be | 07:33 |
| ianychoi | For example, creating project-data directory and enumerates the target of syncing projects in openstack/i18n repository | 07:33 |
| ianychoi | Any kind of other idea on this? | 07:33 |
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| eumel8 | ah, you mean openstack-manuals itself? interesting, because it's documentation and the targets for publishing are already there | 07:34 |
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| eumel8 | My first thought was all of them are in project repos. But then we have many duplicate code in different versions | 07:36 |
| ianychoi | What I meant is to migrate like all "translate-sync-queens" parts on projects from project-config/zuul.d/projects.yaml to like openstack/i18n/sync-target/projects.yaml | 07:36 |
| eumel8 | ah, got it. and where are the 3 shell scripts located for sync? | 07:37 |
| ianychoi | For Documentation team, to make doc structure and doc content is for project teams, doc build scripts are in PTI (Python Testing Interface) by Infra & governance, and the visibility of docs.openstack.org is managed by Docs team. | 07:38 |
| ianychoi | Somewhere in openstack-infra/project-config | 07:39 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, what are "3" shell scripts? | 07:40 |
| eumel8 | it's in roles | 07:40 |
| eumel8 | https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/infra.html#translation-infrastructure-tasks-and-scripts | 07:41 |
| eumel8 | I think the infra team is also not so happe with the current solution | 07:42 |
| eumel8 | if you read the comments in the playbooks ;) | 07:42 |
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| ianychoi | *.sh files in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/roles/prep-zanata/files ? | 07:42 |
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| ianychoi | I think staying the scripts in project-config is fine, but "defining translation targets - adding/removing" is managed mainly by I18n PTL. | 07:43 |
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| eumel8 | yes, what we try to extend for project doc translation | 07:43 |
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| ianychoi | So now I think it would be nice if such defining can be accomplished in different repos and you + some core I18n members can have authority on the repo | 07:44 |
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| ianychoi | But.. doc builds are accomplished through just one script | 07:44 |
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| eumel8 | yes, I think we have to think about that what are the best options. Will you answer the last comment from Andreas in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545377/ ? | 07:46 |
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| ianychoi | "If you all find the existing name better, go for it..." ->this? | 07:47 |
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| ianychoi | My Workflow -1 is because of this part: "Please discuss with Monty about this, this might change how we build docs in a fundamental way and I like to see a written plan for this before we merge the first step." | 07:47 |
| eumel8 | ah, ok, have overseen that | 07:48 |
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| ianychoi | It would be so nice if you share your thoughts on the review.. :) | 07:49 |
| eumel8 | so think about the plan, make our own plan and then enter the infra team meeting could be an option. | 07:49 |
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| eumel8 | my thoughts are not clear enough for the written context | 07:50 |
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| eumel8 | ok, it's in the meeting protocol... | 07:50 |
| eumel8 | 10 min left, let's move on | 07:50 |
| ianychoi | Yep | 07:50 |
| eumel8 | #topic Zanata upgrade status | 07:50 |
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| eumel8 | so, we have the new Zanata in place since few weeks | 07:51 |
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| ianychoi | Great :) | 07:51 |
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| eumel8 | I couldn't found any issues without the dangerous button in the user settings | 07:51 |
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| ianychoi | I might have been worried about this too much.. | 07:51 |
| ianychoi | But if there would be some issues, it might be out of control | 07:52 |
| eumel8 | it has a good performance and it works quiet well | 07:52 |
| ianychoi | :) | 07:52 |
| eumel8 | sure, your request was valid | 07:52 |
| ianychoi | Then what can we do much nice things after Zanata upgrade? | 07:52 |
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| eumel8 | for the next upgrade we need to merge #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531809/ | 07:53 |
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| eumel8 | there are no zip files anymore to download and I understood the zanata guys wrong because I removed all that code in the past | 07:53 |
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| ianychoi | I will look at this review :) | 07:54 |
| eumel8 | but at the moment I think we are fine with that version | 07:54 |
| ianychoi | (although I cannot give detail comments) | 07:54 |
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| eumel8 | new feature would be API access to branch changes (set read-only) but I didn't test it yet | 07:55 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. it would be nice if it works well :) | 07:55 |
| eumel8 | so, I have still one topic | 07:55 |
| eumel8 | #topic Open Discussion | 07:55 |
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| ianychoi | Yep.. | 07:56 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: what about your Vancouver trip? Question was if we can write your name on the speaker list for the Onboarding session :) | 07:56 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, it would be so nice if you would put my name first :) | 07:57 |
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| eumel8 | alright, sir! | 07:57 |
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| ianychoi | pkovar will attend? Or still not sure? | 07:58 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: and you need additional support like a ticket code? | 07:58 |
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| eumel8 | pkovar is still unsure | 07:58 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, oh kind of full support? | 07:58 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, thanks a lot! | 07:58 |
| eumel8 | as a speaker? I think so | 07:59 |
| ianychoi | +1 :) | 07:59 |
| eumel8 | alright | 07:59 |
| eumel8 | thx | 07:59 |
| eumel8 | #endmeeting | 07:59 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks! | 07:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 22 07:59:27 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-03-22-07.01.html | 07:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-03-22-07.01.txt | 07:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-03-22-07.01.log.html | 07:59 |
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| gibi | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 22 14:00:27 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| tssurya | o/ | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| edmondsw | o/ | 14:00 |
| efried | @/ | 14:00 |
| gibi | hi! I will be your host today | 14:00 |
| dansmith | o/. | 14:01 |
| gibi | #topic Release News | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| gibi | #link Rocky release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Rocky_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
| gibi | Apr 19: r-1 milestone, nova spec freeze | 14:01 |
| gibi | Apr 27: spec review focus day | 14:02 |
| mriedem | march 27? | 14:02 |
| gibi | mriedem: correct :) | 14:02 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:02 |
| gibi | sorry | 14:02 |
| gibi | March 27: spec review focus day | 14:03 |
| efried | phew | 14:03 |
| gibi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128630.html | 14:03 |
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| gibi | #link os-vif 1.10.0 was released on 2018-03-21: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/554948 | 14:04 |
| ttsiouts | o/ | 14:04 |
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| gibi | anything else about the release? | 14:04 |
| gibi | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:04 | |
| gibi | 30 new untriaged bugs right now #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | went through a lot of garbage bugs yesterday | 14:05 |
| gibi | that was 47 on the agenda so thanks for the triaging | 14:06 |
| gibi | we dont have critical bugs | 14:06 |
| gibi | there are 4 untriaged and untagged bug in our queue https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:07 |
| gibi | tagging helps to route bugs to experts for triage | 14:07 |
| gibi | #help tag untagged untriaged bugs with appropriate tags to categorize them | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | yeah I need to help :( | 14:08 |
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| gibi | Gate status | 14:08 |
| gibi | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:08 |
| gibi | I don't see any major nova related failure in the list | 14:09 |
| mriedem | it seems to be oddly slow, but overall no known big failures | 14:09 |
| gibi | there was some hanging functional tests the other day | 14:09 |
| gibi | I don't know what was the cause | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | meltdown fixes? | 14:10 |
| mriedem | i would be interested to know what % of nodes are not running openstack stuff now | 14:10 |
| mriedem | with the new CI/CD zuulv3 split thingy with the foundatoin | 14:10 |
| mriedem | but that's another topic for another channel | 14:10 |
| * johnthetubaguy nods | 14:10 | |
| dansmith | do we share a nodepool with other projects? | 14:10 |
| gibi | 3rd party CI #link http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:10 |
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| gibi | dansmith: I guess we run tests triggered from github | 14:11 |
| dansmith | I didn't think _our_ zuul did | 14:11 |
| mriedem | don't know, probably a question for that thread in the ML | 14:11 |
| dansmith | we'd see them in our status dashboard I would think | 14:12 |
| * alex_xu_ waves late | 14:12 | |
| dansmith | unless it's just nodepool that is shared | 14:12 |
| dansmith | anyway, sorry to derail | 14:12 |
| bauzas | I thought it was a separate nodepool | 14:12 |
| gibi | going back to 3rd party CI | 14:12 |
| gibi | I don't kknow what I have to look for in http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:13 |
| gibi | does the recent redness of IBM PowerKVM CI relevant? | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | we can ask mmedvede later | 14:13 |
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| gibi | anything else about bugs or CI ? | 14:14 |
| gibi | #topic Reminders | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:14 | |
| gibi | #link Rocky Review Priorities https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:14 |
| gibi | #info Rocky spec review day: next week Tuesday March 27, let's focus a day on reviewing specs | 14:15 |
| gibi | once again ^^ :) | 14:15 |
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| gibi | Runaway proposal #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128574.html | 14:16 |
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| gibi | anything else for reminders? | 14:16 |
| gibi | #topic Stable branch status | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:17 | |
| gibi | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/queens,n,z | 14:17 |
| mriedem | gonna do another queens release shortly | 14:17 |
| mriedem | once a couple of other fixes land, | 14:18 |
| mriedem | we had a revert that impacts hard reboots for libvirt that we need to get released | 14:18 |
| mriedem | same for pike | 14:18 |
| gibi | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 14:18 |
| gibi | thanks mat | 14:18 |
| gibi | thanks mriedem | 14:18 |
| gibi | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 14:18 |
| gibi | anything else for stable branches? | 14:19 |
| mriedem | the stable eol thing is likely getting approval tomorrow | 14:19 |
| mriedem | by the TC | 14:19 |
| mmedvede | mriedem: we have some problems in CI we are addressing, something internal | 14:19 |
| mriedem | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548916/ | 14:19 |
| gibi | mmedvede: thanks for the info | 14:20 |
| mmedvede | turned off reporting | 14:20 |
| * bauzas needs to leave early (as today is buggy for most people in my country) | 14:20 | |
| gibi | #topic Subteam Highlights | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Subteam Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:20 | |
| gibi | Cells v2 (dansmith) | 14:20 |
| dansmith | no meeting this week | 14:20 |
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| gibi | Scheduler (edleafe) | 14:21 |
| edleafe | Discussed whether mirroring Nova host aggregates to Placement was a proxy API, or whether it was a necessary duplication, due to them being used for different purposes. No clear consensus was reached. | 14:21 |
| edleafe | efried admitted to being a PITA | 14:21 |
| edleafe | jaypipes expressed his opinion that we have already done enough in terms of extracting placement for Rocky, and to hold off on any further work. cdent disagreed, and will continue to push forward. | 14:21 |
| edleafe | We agreed that we need to focus on the work for nesting providers in allocation_candidates. | 14:22 |
| edleafe | cdent wondered if he is a bug. | 14:22 |
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| edleafe | That's it. | 14:22 |
| gibi | thanks | 14:22 |
| gibi | Notification (gibi) | 14:22 |
| gibi | every bp I tracked got discussion and most of them is approved | 14:22 |
| gibi | list and status is in #link Notification (gibi) | 14:22 |
| gibi | I mean #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128562.html | 14:23 |
| mriedem | but some have been approved for awhile with no code yet right? | 14:23 |
| gibi | mriedem: yes | 14:23 |
| mriedem | which is... :/ | 14:23 |
| mriedem | >:( | 14:23 |
| mriedem | oops | 14:23 |
| gibi | mriedem: I share your pain | 14:23 |
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| mriedem | ~\o/~ | 14:24 |
| gibi | Stuck Reviews | 14:24 |
| gibi | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:24 | |
| gibi | nothing on the agenda | 14:24 |
| gibi | do we have something to bring up here? | 14:24 |
| stephenfin | I have one thing | 14:24 |
| gibi | stephenfin: go ahead | 14:25 |
| stephenfin | sahid's patch on TX/RX queue sizes | 14:25 |
| * bauzas leaves now | 14:25 | |
| * stephenfin get's link | 14:25 | |
| mriedem | ha as bauzas leaves | 14:25 |
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| stephenfin | *gets, even | 14:25 |
| stephenfin | https://review.openstack.org/539605 | 14:25 |
| stephenfin | As discussed on the spec, we were pretty sure we were going with the global nova.conf option but there's been some disagreement on that | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | doesn't this need guest support, I should re-read that thing | 14:26 |
| stephenfin | The spec has been rewritten to use extra spec keys. I'm OK with that but want to make sure this is OK for everyone else | 14:26 |
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| mriedem | the original patch from nic used extra specs right? | 14:27 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: it's virtio only | 14:27 |
| stephenfin | johnthetubaguy: More hypervisor support than guest support, if I understand it correctly | 14:27 |
| stephenfin | mriedem: Correct | 14:27 |
| gibi | mriedem, stephenfin: If it is OK to add yet another flavor extra_spec key that is libvirt specific then I'm OK with the rest | 14:27 |
| mriedem | the point of the extra spec is it doesn't have to be libvirt-specific, | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | I thought these things needed specific kernel versions in the guest for virtio to negociate, but I could be miss-remembering, its probably like 2.20 or something | 14:27 |
| mriedem | but a config option would be | 14:27 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: correct, | 14:27 |
| mriedem | it's super use case specific | 14:27 |
| stephenfin | and we (mostly I) pushed him away from that given previous opposition to yet more extra spec knobs | 14:27 |
| dansmith | but a config option being libvirt-specific isn't a huge proble | 14:27 |
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| stephenfin | Yeah, it's easy move it to another group if we need to | 14:28 |
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| mriedem | a config option isn't a huge problem no | 14:28 |
| stephenfin | But I feel bad about pushing him one way when he's now being dragged back, heh | 14:28 |
| dansmith | extra spec keys that are in libvirt-specific units (i.e. queues) is less palatable to me than a config option in conf.libvirt | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | why would you not want to set it, extra memory usage? | 14:28 |
| mriedem | is there no way that other virt drivers would never be able to do this same thing? | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | xen has something quite similar brewing upstream | 14:29 |
| dansmith | if it's in extra_specs I would like it to be something like shares or percentage of the total, where the total (or max) is configured by compute in conf or something like that | 14:29 |
| stephenfin | johnthetubaguy: gibi raised that, yeah. Realistically though, this is going to be set everywhere and not touched again | 14:29 |
| stephenfin | Until the hardware is upgraded to 40 or 100 Gig, anyway | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | so if you want it everywhere, feels like it should be a config option? | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, feels mostly a property of the host capabilities | 14:30 |
| dansmith | config option feels like the easy way to go here for now, IMHO | 14:30 |
| stephenfin | That was my feeling, yes | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | ++ config option here, as much as the churn on the spec sucks | 14:30 |
| mriedem | i'm happy to bow out of the spec review if dansmith and johnthetubaguy want to take over | 14:30 |
| stephenfin | No one has asked for this to be per guest, so the benefits of that feature are slight at best | 14:30 |
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| gibi | adding a config option now, and if the use case comes up to set it per VM then addign an extra spec later is doable | 14:31 |
| stephenfin | Yeah, I'm also going to bow out | 14:31 |
| dansmith | mriedem: sure | 14:31 |
| stephenfin | On account of the "go this way, no this way" thing | 14:31 |
| dansmith | stephenfin: wait, aren't you the one that asked for it to be extra_specs? | 14:31 |
| dansmith | stephenfin: no fair bowing out now :) | 14:31 |
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| mriedem | i did | 14:31 |
| dansmith | oh | 14:31 |
| stephenfin | Nope, that was mriedem | 14:31 |
| mriedem | i didn't realize this couldn't be used by other virt drivers | 14:31 |
| dansmith | okay, then all the more reason for stephenfin to stick around for his victory lap | 14:31 |
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| stephenfin | :D | 14:31 |
| stephenfin | sahid is going to be pi******ed :D | 14:32 |
| dansmith | anyway, johnthetubaguy you'll help review? | 14:32 |
| mriedem | all he has to do is revert to an older patchset | 14:32 |
| stephenfin | but eh, good to get a move on this | 14:32 |
| dansmith | I'll comment that we had a big discussion | 14:32 |
| gibi | Do I sense properly that we have an agreement to use config option? | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yes | 14:32 |
| dansmith | he hates me anyway :) | 14:32 |
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| stephenfin | gibi: +1 from me | 14:32 |
| gibi | dansmith: thanks for taking the bad guy role :) | 14:33 |
| gibi | let's move on | 14:33 |
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| stephenfin | (y) | 14:33 |
| gibi | #topic Open discussion | 14:33 |
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| * mriedem prepares for the deluge of powervm blueprints | 14:33 | |
| gibi | there is a long list of specless bps on the agenda | 14:33 |
| gibi | (melwitt): seeking approval for specless blueprint for improving the xenapi image handler: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-image-handler-option-improvement | 14:33 |
| jianghuaw | It’s to change a XenAPI config option to specify the image handler, so that xenapi can support non-FS based storage repositories (LVM, ISCSI). | 14:34 |
| mriedem | approve | 14:34 |
| jianghuaw | We also talked about it in PTG. | 14:34 |
| mriedem | it was discussed at the ptg | 14:34 |
| mriedem | same thing as the libvirt imagebacked right | 14:34 |
| mriedem | ? | 14:34 |
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| mriedem | image_type or whatever that option is | 14:34 |
| jianghuaw | mriedem, yes. similarly. | 14:34 |
| jianghuaw | but not image type but the image handler. | 14:34 |
| gibi | any objection against approving it? | 14:35 |
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| gibi | then it is approved | 14:36 |
| gibi | next | 14:36 |
| * johnthetubaguy remembers something about me reviewing that | 14:36 | |
| jianghuaw | Thanks. | 14:36 |
| gibi | (melwitt): seeking approval for specless blueprint for removing execs of system commands: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/execs-ive-had-a-few | 14:36 |
| dansmith | no reason not to do this, IMHO | 14:37 |
| mriedem | "Also, it makes us look silly at social occasions." | 14:37 |
| dansmith | now that we have privsep, it's possible, but wasn't before | 14:37 |
| stephenfin | +1 from me. I've been reviewing those already thinking it was just another one of mikal's daft topics :) | 14:37 |
| mriedem | i'm fine with it | 14:37 |
| gibi | See we are in agreement, so It is approved | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | ++ | 14:38 |
| gibi | next | 14:38 |
| gibi | (melwitt): Based on replies to the spec review day ML thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128603.html | 14:38 |
| gibi | Can we have an informal vote on when people would like to start using runways? (Start immediately vs start after spec freeze, and let's go with the consensus) | 14:38 |
| * gibi votes for starting after the spec freeze | 14:38 | |
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| mriedem | as someone that also reviews specs, i'm a big meh on this one | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 "Obviously this will be an experiment and we won't get | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | it right the first time." | 14:39 |
| dansmith | nobody replied to me, which tells me I'm the only one (and efried) | 14:39 |
| dansmith | so we should just do it late I guess | 14:39 |
| dansmith | and we'll just approve a bunch of stuff that won't land, like usual :) | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | how about after the spec review day, we do everything else on a runway? | 14:40 |
| mriedem | anyone else going to speak up in this meeting? | 14:40 |
| efried | Can anyone tell me why we shouldn't a) allow things like specs in runways, and b) start TODAY? | 14:40 |
| mriedem | specs in runways is an idea i haven't had | 14:41 |
| * stephenfin still has to read that email and will stay quiet for this bit | 14:41 | |
| mriedem | but, | 14:41 |
| cdent | I pretty much agreed with dansmith, but have little enough of an opinion that I didn't bother to response on the email. I also agree with efried just said | 14:41 |
| efried | stephenfin: That's the gist of it. Let's start now. | 14:41 |
| mriedem | the idea is to flush out the approved stuff | 14:41 |
| gibi | my reason to vote for after the spec freeze is the amount of time I need to spend on the bandwidth spec these days | 14:41 |
| dansmith | specs in runways is a little hard because we'd need to have a way to say "okay, we're not going to do this this cycle, so we eject it from the runway without merging", IMHO | 14:41 |
| dansmith | which is a little awkward, but I guess we could | 14:41 |
| efried | okay, but it's clear that not everybody will be able to focus all their time all the time. | 14:42 |
| dansmith | right, I don't really understand why we can't do specs in the background, | 14:42 |
| efried | So gibi is focusing on that spec right now, but joebob will be focusing on a feature after spec freeze etc. | 14:42 |
| dansmith | and I don't understand why we can't ramp up more spec review/approval when we're getting low on approved things to go in the queue | 14:42 |
| dansmith | efried: yeah agreed | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, I think that is what I was wanting to see, at least eventually | 14:42 |
| mriedem | i think what i said on the etherpad and in dubling, | 14:42 |
| mriedem | *dublin, | 14:42 |
| mriedem | was if we're going to do both at the same time, | 14:43 |
| mriedem | is we should extend spec freeze to basically feature freeze | 14:43 |
| mriedem | or milestone 2, something like that | 14:43 |
| dansmith | yeah we'd kinda have to, | 14:43 |
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| dansmith | as we'd be approving things later to keep the pipeline full as necessary | 14:43 |
| efried | I'm not opposed to that in principle, though I think that decision can be made later. | 14:43 |
| mriedem | so if we're cool with extending the spec freeze to at least milestone 2, i'm ok with doing runways now | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, its like all specs need an exception, you get granted when there is a slot for you? | 14:43 |
| dansmith | so we'd be shooting for smaller things to be approved later | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | so a bit I missed, is how were we going to track the runways? | 14:44 |
| mriedem | i'm also ok with doing runways now w/o extending the spec freeze, i should say, that's why i said 'meh' | 14:44 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: etherpad | 14:44 |
| stephenfin | the only issue I have with extending the deadline is increased difficulty getting less obvious specs landed | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: I was wondering if trello might work, but not sure if that excludes folks | 14:44 |
| stephenfin | without the pressure of said deadline | 14:45 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: it excludes people with a soul | 14:45 |
| efried | johnthetubaguy: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-runways-rocky | 14:45 |
| mriedem | stephenfin: umm, | 14:45 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: shit, I'm out then. | 14:45 |
| mriedem | well that's kind of the thing - you can have us all focus on runways and a few do spec reviews, | 14:45 |
| mriedem | or we extend the spec review deadline so there is time for both for the few that actually review specs | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, I missed its just a list of three, ignore me, etherpad is perfect | 14:46 |
| dansmith | so, | 14:46 |
| dansmith | can we just have people reply with this stuff on that thread as the votes? | 14:46 |
| stephenfin | mriedem: Good point. I guess it'll just shuffle things around a bit | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am tempted to say we just grant exceptions when needed | 14:46 |
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| gibi | dansmith: let's do that | 14:47 |
| mriedem | kind of sucks to have this discussion without the PTL here, | 14:47 |
| mriedem | so yeah ML it is | 14:47 |
| dansmith | mriedem: right that's my point | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | timezones suck | 14:47 |
| gibi | #action vote on the ML | 14:47 |
| gibi | moving on | 14:47 |
| gibi | (esberglu): PowerVM specless blueprints | 14:47 |
| gibi | Network Hotplug: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/powervm-network-hotplug | 14:48 |
| edmondsw | we originally had a spec for this, but mriedem and melwitt agreed yesterday these could be specless | 14:48 |
| mriedem | approve | 14:48 |
| efried | Perfect example of how we can use runways for bp+feature as we go. | 14:48 |
| edmondsw | yep | 14:48 |
| edmondsw | that one is already up and ready for review once the bp is approved | 14:48 |
| edmondsw | the impl I mean | 14:48 |
| efried | Queue up the first couple. Get 'em in a runway. Get 'em approved. Queue up the next couple. Repeat until we run out of... runway. | 14:48 |
| edmondsw | vscsi and snapshot are also essentially implemented... a little more subteam review needed | 14:49 |
| gibi | efried: do you mean not take the whole list of 6 bp now just the first 3? | 14:49 |
| mriedem | how we handle priority for a runway slot is up for debate probably | 14:49 |
| efried | gibi: I think queueing them up individually would be appropriate. | 14:49 |
| mriedem | i.e. i think the certs api stuff from john hopkins all trumps the powervm bp's | 14:49 |
| edmondsw | I'd like to get at least the first 3 approved today, since they're implemented... | 14:50 |
| efried | mriedem: One of the main purposes of runways was to allow focus on lower-priority work. We already have high focus on high-priority work. | 14:50 |
| mriedem | the certs api thing is low priority work, | 14:50 |
| mriedem | it's been so gd low priority, | 14:50 |
| mriedem | it's deferred since ocata | 14:50 |
| dansmith | the priority thing is hard, and more important later in the cycle, which is one reason I want to start now | 14:50 |
| efried | Point was that, with some (but few) exceptions, the queue is FIFO | 14:50 |
| mriedem | so at this point, it's kind of high priority right? | 14:50 |
| dansmith | so things that are low priority but ready can go ahead and benefit | 14:50 |
| efried | If the cert thing is ready, queue it tf up and it'll bubble to the top in order. | 14:51 |
| dansmith | efried: it's already in the queue actually :) | 14:51 |
| mriedem | so i can approve https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/powervm-network-hotplug right? | 14:51 |
| gibi | any objection? | 14:51 |
| efried | +1 from me :) | 14:51 |
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| gibi | seems there is no objectsion so it is approved | 14:52 |
| edmondsw | and vscsi and snapshot? | 14:52 |
| gibi | next | 14:52 |
| gibi | vSCSI cinder volumes: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/powervm-vscsi | 14:52 |
| edmondsw | this was actually ready to go in Queens but didn't get reviews | 14:52 |
| * bauzas is silently (well, not really) back | 14:53 | |
| edmondsw | we've made a few small improvements while we've been waiting | 14:53 |
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| gibi | any objection? | 14:53 |
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| mriedem | approved | 14:53 |
| gibi | next | 14:53 |
| gibi | Instance Snapshot: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/powervm-snapshot | 14:53 |
| * gibi waiting for objectsion | 14:54 | |
| edmondsw | impl for this is up and tested. I think efried and I both had comments that were getting addressed and then we'd open it up for wider review | 14:54 |
| edmondsw | probably a few days | 14:54 |
| mriedem | approved | 14:54 |
| mriedem | you guys are also enabling CI testing for all of these right? | 14:54 |
| mriedem | b/c tempest tests attach interface and snapshot | 14:54 |
| esberglu | Not vSCSI | 14:54 |
| mriedem | i will -1 the living hell out of these patches if i don't see it | 14:54 |
| mriedem | i know not that one | 14:54 |
| esberglu | Snapshot and attach yes | 14:55 |
| mriedem | ok, fair warning | 14:55 |
| mriedem | next? | 14:55 |
| gibi | do we want to go further down the list of powervm bps or it is enough for now and we will take the rest when this 3 are merged? | 14:55 |
| gibi | *these 3 | 14:55 |
| mriedem | i'll just hit the rest in the agenda | 14:55 |
| mriedem | after the meeting | 14:55 |
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| mriedem | or melwitt can | 14:55 |
| gibi | mriedem: does hit means approve? | 14:55 |
| mriedem | yeah. | 14:56 |
| mriedem | these were all in a spec that was basically approved, | 14:56 |
| mriedem | but we didn't need a spec, | 14:56 |
| gibi | mriedem: ohh I see | 14:56 |
| mriedem | so they were split out as feature parity blueprints | 14:56 |
| gibi | then I agree | 14:56 |
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| mriedem | because a spec with a laundry list is annoying | 14:56 |
| gibi | so the last item on the agenda | 14:56 |
| gibi | (jianghuaw): seeking approval for specless blueprint for "vGPU work in rocky": https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vgpu-rocky | 14:56 |
| jianghuaw | This BP is for tracking the work in Rocky for the vGPU functions which have not been done in Queens. | 14:56 |
| mriedem | approve | 14:56 |
| mriedem | we talked about this in dublin | 14:57 |
| mriedem | it's just closing gaps | 14:57 |
| jianghuaw | cool mriedem:-) | 14:57 |
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| mriedem | everyone agree? | 14:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ++ | 14:57 |
| * gibi doesn't see any objections | 14:57 | |
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| gibi | anything else to discuss in the next 2 minutes? | 14:57 |
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| stephenfin | nein | 14:58 |
| jianghuaw | Thanks all:-) | 14:58 |
| gibi | OK. let's close this | 14:58 |
| gibi | thanks for the meeting | 14:58 |
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| gibi | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 22 14:58:58 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-03-22-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-03-22-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-03-22-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| lhinds | ping gagehugo | 15:00 |
| lhinds | #startmeeting security | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 22 15:00:38 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lhinds. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:00 |
| lhinds | anyone else around (security folks?) | 15:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:00 |
| nickthetait | me | 15:00 |
| lhinds | cool! we have some life. | 15:01 |
| fungi | i am here though also have tc office hour starting now | 15:01 |
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| lhinds | ack fungi | 15:01 |
| fungi | ping me if you need me and i'll catch up | 15:01 |
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| lhinds | nickthetait: just approved your membership | 15:02 |
| lhinds | #topic agenda | 15:02 |
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| lhinds | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 15:03 |
| lhinds | anything interesting last week gagehugo we need to continue on? | 15:03 |
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| gagehugo | lhinds not really, ttx followed up on some of the spectre/meltdown | 15:03 |
| lhinds | ok cool | 15:04 |
| lhinds | how about the LCOO, do they have plans to seed some stuff in the SIG? | 15:04 |
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| gagehugo | eeiden o/ | 15:04 |
| eeiden | o/ | 15:05 |
| nickthetait | thanks lhinds | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | lhinds decided to wait until this week to discuss LCOO | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | last week was pretty light | 15:06 |
| lhinds | gagehugo: ack, eeiden will ping you when the topic is on | 15:06 |
| eeiden | perfect | 15:06 |
| lhinds | #topic Docs | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:06 | |
| lhinds | nothing new here, just a patch to remove `os`, I don't think we need that for spinx / tox stuff, but will double check | 15:07 |
| lhinds | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/553421/ | 15:07 |
| lhinds | #topic Keystone Threat Analysis | 15:08 |
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| gagehugo | probably something that used to be used in there and leftover | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | re: import os | 15:08 |
| lhinds | gagehugo: I think so too. | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | I added the pycrypto findings into the KSM vmt doc | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447139/ | 15:09 |
| lhinds | thanks gagehugo | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | lhinds was there anything else that you think should be added to the review findings? | 15:09 |
| lhinds | #action look into new central store for TA | 15:09 |
| lhinds | gagehugo: nope, that should be it now.. | 15:09 |
| lhinds | I just need to look at the above and find a better more easily searched home for them. | 15:10 |
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| lhinds | and fungi we need to look at bringing the above into VMT's loving care | 15:10 |
| lhinds | (keystone-middlewareclient) | 15:10 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:11 |
| fungi | cool. next step i suppose is for the keystone team to propose the addition of the vulnerability:managed tag to that deliverable in the governance repo's reference/projects.yaml file? | 15:11 |
| fungi | and make sure to refer to any threat analysis artifacts in the commit message | 15:12 |
| lhinds | gagehugo: I guess you would be a good candidate for the above. | 15:12 |
| gagehugo | sure | 15:12 |
| gagehugo | lbragstad ^ | 15:12 |
| lhinds | I don't mean to keep piling actions onto you bud, but being a keystone core that would work | 15:12 |
| lhinds | hey lbragstad | 15:12 |
| gagehugo | yeah that's fine :) | 15:12 |
| lhinds | great, so nice to have that one in the bag | 15:12 |
| fungi | yeah, it's just best when tag additions like that come from the team responsible for the project in question (and get acknowledged by the ptl for it) | 15:13 |
| fungi | raises fewer questions at the tc level | 15:13 |
| gagehugo | fungi sounds good | 15:13 |
| nickthetait | What does tc stand for? | 15:13 |
| fungi | technical committee | 15:13 |
| nickthetait | thx | 15:13 |
| lhinds | lbragstad: gagehugo there are some other keystone siblings that were going to be proposed for TA iirc? | 15:14 |
| fungi | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/ OpenStack Technical Committee | 15:14 |
| gagehugo | lhinds yes | 15:14 |
| gagehugo | pycadf, keystoneauth, oslo.policy | 15:15 |
| gagehugo | s/policy/cache | 15:15 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 15:15 |
| lhinds | great, I addded those to the pad, so we can look at kicking those off perhaps next meeting or two. | 15:16 |
| gagehugo | sure | 15:16 |
| lhinds | #topic Spectre/Meltdown mitigation | 15:16 |
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| lhinds | anything else here, ttx ? | 15:16 |
| lhinds | I guess he might be busy in the other meeting. | 15:16 |
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| ttx | nope | 15:17 |
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| fungi | yeah, tc office hours | 15:17 |
| gagehugo | heh | 15:17 |
| ttx | Don't have much to add to what I said on the topic last week :) | 15:18 |
| lhinds | no worries..I think we can skip POlicy Roadmap too, I need to contact some patrole folks and find out where we are | 15:18 |
| lhinds | #topic LCOO | 15:18 |
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| lhinds | eeiden, floor is yours :) | 15:19 |
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| eeiden | Thanks lhinds! | 15:19 |
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| eeiden | I'm the current chair for LCOO [stands for Large Contributing OpenStack Operators -- essentially a group of larger companies working to promote and address operator-specific concerns within the community] | 15:20 |
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| nickthetait | which company do you work for eeiden ? | 15:21 |
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| eeiden | No solid plans from my end at the moment, but was hoping to sync up on priorities so that we can learn about/promote important security initiatives as a working group | 15:21 |
| eeiden | AT&T! | 15:21 |
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| lhinds | eeiden: sounds good. so we moved to a sig in the hope of getting more users involved, so this fits us well. | 15:22 |
| lhinds | have you found any topics have come up around sec yet, and what the 'in demand' features are for ops? | 15:23 |
| lhinds | things that are making it a challenge to go to production for example (compliance maybe)? | 15:23 |
| gagehugo | I know policy is a big one | 15:24 |
| eeiden | I'm relatively new to the group, so haven't heard much from others. We'll be having a meeting shortly to discuss current priorities, so that's something I'll queue up for discussion. | 15:25 |
| eeiden | But ghugo -- definitely policy | 15:25 |
| lhinds | please do eeiden , I am happy to join...could you email the sig mailing list and with a date / agenda when set? | 15:26 |
| eeiden | Absolutely! | 15:26 |
| lhinds | others will likely jump on to then | 15:26 |
| eeiden | would love to have you guys there | 15:26 |
| lhinds | we will keep LCOO as an agenda item (ongoing), even if nothing new, its a touchstone | 15:26 |
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| lhinds | ok. lets skip thorugh the other items, as close to the 30 min mark | 15:27 |
| lhinds | does not look like ebrown is here, regaring bandit migration to python QA tools | 15:28 |
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| lhinds | I also don't think Mr Tatu is here. | 15:28 |
| nickthetait | is bandit being abandoned? | 15:28 |
| lhinds | nickthetait: no, far from it. | 15:28 |
| lhinds | nickthetait: its going to move to being part of the main python test tools | 15:29 |
| nickthetait | oh neat :) | 15:29 |
| lhinds | so will live alongside tools like pep8 lint etc. | 15:29 |
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| fungi | so relocating it's perceived association out of openstack and into the python testing community | 15:29 |
| fungi | er, its | 15:29 |
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| lhinds | gagehugo: just noticed some new patches from ebrown, we could review those | 15:30 |
| gagehugo | lhinds one is pretty simple, the other looks like still wip | 15:30 |
| lhinds | oh sorry, you already have :) | 15:30 |
| lhinds | that yaml typo is on its way in. | 15:31 |
| lhinds | so last but not least. | 15:31 |
| lhinds | #topic OSSN and OSSA | 15:31 |
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| lhinds | raises guilty hand, I need to work on clearing the OSSN back log | 15:31 |
| lhinds | in the mean time if anyone is interested in writing some security notes, I will support you lots on your first one. | 15:32 |
| lhinds | you and your company get a credit in the note. | 15:32 |
| lhinds | best to read this if you're interested <goes to get link>... | 15:32 |
| lhinds | #link https://openstack-security.github.io/security-notes/2017/09/08/openstack-security-notes.html | 15:32 |
| lhinds | check it out nickthetait / eeiden see if its something you would like to get involved in. | 15:33 |
| lhinds | fungi: anything big in OSSA that's public and needs some more eyes / views? | 15:33 |
| eeiden | oh awesome, will do | 15:33 |
| nickthetait | sounds like a good fit for me right now. invovles research and documentation right lhinds? | 15:34 |
| lhinds | nickthetait: yes, very much. its a very good intro to working in openstack sec. | 15:34 |
| lhinds | its how I started out | 15:34 |
| nickthetait | nice | 15:34 |
| lhinds | have a read, and you can email me or ping in irc | 15:35 |
| lhinds | the current list is: | 15:35 |
| lhinds | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 15:35 |
| lhinds | ok, we are over time. | 15:35 |
| lhinds | thanks all | 15:35 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:35 |
| lhinds | nice to see some new names, you're very welcome here, please do come back again :) | 15:35 |
| lhinds | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 22 15:36:01 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-03-22-15.00.html | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-03-22-15.00.txt | 15:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-03-22-15.00.log.html | 15:36 |
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| nickthetait | does security have its own irc channel? | 15:36 |
| nickthetait | openstack-security? | 15:36 |
| lhinds | yep, #openstack-security | 15:36 |
| nickthetait | l8r everyone | 15:37 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 22 22:00:05 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: you joining today? | 22:01 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: yes, with beer in hand | 22:01 |
| hongbin | o/ | 22:01 |
| mlavalle | welcome haleyb | 22:02 |
| mlavalle | and welcome hongbin | 22:02 |
| mlavalle | We have quorum | 22:02 |
| mlavalle | #topic Brian Haley new member of the Drivers team | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brian Haley new member of the Drivers team (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 22:03 | |
| yamamoto | welcome | 22:03 |
| mlavalle | First of all I want to welcome Brian to the drivers team | 22:03 |
| hongbin | congrat | 22:03 |
| mlavalle | I think you will make great contributions to this team | 22:03 |
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| haleyb | good to officially be here now that i have some time to help out | 22:04 |
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| mlavalle | I want also to mention that ihrachys will be transitioning out of this team and Neutron in general over the next few weeks | 22:05 |
| mlavalle | He has set hig sights and goals in another project out of the OpenStack community | 22:05 |
| mlavalle | We thanks him for his many contributions to Neutron and wish him luck in his next challenge | 22:06 |
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| * mlavalle know that he doesn't need any luck.... he is great regardless | 22:06 | |
| mlavalle | That is relevant from the point of view of the logistics of this meeting | 22:07 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: what is better for you? this time slot or Friday morning? | 22:07 |
| mlavalle | well, night for you | 22:08 |
| yamamoto | either fine for me | 22:08 |
| mlavalle | and you haleyb? | 22:08 |
| mlavalle | Remember, it has to be sustainable during standard time | 22:09 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: friday is better for me, this isn't terrible, i just sometimes have conflicts | 22:09 |
| mlavalle | so I will check with amotoki. If he is ok with it. we can move the meeting to Friday morning in the US / Friday night Japan | 22:10 |
| mlavalle | that way we are happier | 22:10 |
| haleyb | my kids thank you mlavalle :) | 22:11 |
| mlavalle | with that, these are the RFEs we have to discuss today: | 22:12 |
| mlavalle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=rfe-triaged | 22:12 |
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| mlavalle | I am going to skip the first two, since I don't think we have much to discuss around those two today | 22:12 |
| mlavalle | So first one for today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1723026 | 22:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1723026 in neutron "[RFE]Support get device_ids from floatingips" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Hongbin Lu (hongbin.lu) | 22:13 |
| mlavalle | which is associated to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1754123 | 22:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1754123 in neutron "[RFE] Support filter with floating IP address substring" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Hongbin Lu (hongbin.lu) | 22:13 |
| hongbin | i think those two bugs can be separated if it helps the discussion | 22:14 |
| mlavalle | sure | 22:14 |
| hongbin | for the first one, the requirement is to retrieve the uuid of the nova instance , with the floating ip address given | 22:15 |
| hongbin | this is in the critical call path, so we want to do it in a single api call / db transation | 22:15 |
| hongbin | one option is to add the device_id to the floating ip address resource, perhaps other alternatives can solve the problem as well | 22:17 |
| hongbin | that is all from me as a brief introduction | 22:18 |
| mlavalle | It seems a reasonable request for me | 22:19 |
| mlavalle | I must say, though, that it comes from my employer | 22:19 |
| haleyb | i just don't understand the mapping between the device_id and the nova uuid, but assume if i looked at the code it would all make sense | 22:19 |
| mlavalle | it's like in the case of a port | 22:20 |
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| hongbin | yes | 22:20 |
| hongbin | basically, the device_id can be set as the device_id of the associated port | 22:21 |
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| haleyb | next time i stack i will have to look (and go ah-ha) | 22:21 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: http://paste.openstack.org/show/709080/ | 22:24 |
| mlavalle | for your viewing pleasure | 22:24 |
| mlavalle | just created that VM for you | 22:24 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: thanks, now it all makes sense :) | 22:24 |
| hongbin | it worths to mentioned that amotoki left a comment in the bug report (comment #18) as a suggested amendment of the proposal | 22:24 |
| hongbin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1723026/comments/18 | 22:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1723026 in neutron "[RFE]Support get device_ids from floatingips" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Hongbin Lu (hongbin.lu) | 22:25 |
| mlavalle | that makes sene | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | sense | 22:26 |
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| mlavalle | so amotoki seems to be on-board with this requirement | 22:27 |
| yamamoto | for you it's often known that the ip in question is a floating ip? | 22:29 |
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| hongbin | perhaps no, but a floatingip list call will figure it out | 22:30 |
| yamamoto | so if there's "what's this ip" api, it's more convenient for you? | 22:31 |
| hongbin | maybe, depending on how this api looks like | 22:32 |
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| mlavalle | that's an interesting idea yamamoto.... so that "what is this ip" api could answer whether the IP is fixed or floaing and provide additional the relevant information, depending of the case, including the device_id? | 22:34 |
| mlavalle | and for floating ips include the port information as proposed by amotoki | 22:36 |
| yamamoto | yea. it might be a router (or something snat'ed behind it) as well. | 22:37 |
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| mlavalle | would that work, hongbin? | 22:37 |
| yamamoto | i thought the motivation of the snat logging proposal was something similar. don't your use case need the history? | 22:38 |
| hongbin | mlavalle: i am still trying to understand the advice | 22:39 |
| hongbin | suppose a new api is proposed, what is the list of attributes ? | 22:39 |
| * hongbin am not familiar with the snat logging | 22:40 | |
| mlavalle | what I understood is we could have a new resource /ip-address/{ip-address} | 22:41 |
| mlavalle | when you do a GET against it, it will determine whether it {ip-address} is fixed and floating and then respond with the relevant data | 22:41 |
| mlavalle | including, for floating ips, the port data that amotoki proposed | 22:42 |
| mlavalle | is that your idea yamamoto? | 22:42 |
| yamamoto | yes | 22:42 |
| hongbin_ | the key is what kind of data returned by the /ip-address endpoint | 22:42 |
| mlavalle | in principle, for floating ips, the same you currently when you do GET /floting_ips + amotoki's proposal | 22:43 |
| mlavalle | and for fixed IPs, ports data | 22:44 |
| hongbin_ | ok | 22:44 |
| mlavalle | but this way, when you see "suspicious" activity in an ip address, you don't have to determine first whether it if floating or fixed | 22:44 |
| mlavalle | right yamamoto? | 22:44 |
| yamamoto | yes | 22:45 |
| hongbin_ | sounds good to me, i can communicate this with my team to get further feedback | 22:45 |
| yamamoto | snat logging is this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1752290 | 22:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1752290 in neutron "[RFE] (Operator-only) Add support 'snat' for loggable resource type" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 22:45 |
| mlavalle | in other words, it is a way to address the requirement that we have already in the RFE but with yamamoto's proposal, giving it a more general solution | 22:46 |
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| mlavalle | does it make sense? | 22:47 |
| mlavalle | what do you think haleyb? | 22:47 |
| yamamoto | basically they want to know which vm was using the given ip at the given time in the past. as we can re-associate floating ips, i was wondering you might need similar historical data for your purpose. | 22:48 |
| mlavalle | that's also true | 22:48 |
| haleyb | sorry, did not read this rfe, but do know from experience that operators want to know the timeframe an IP was being used | 22:49 |
| mlavalle | that can be a second step in the implementation of this new api | 22:49 |
| hongbin_ | cool | 22:49 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: that's a good point. that is why I say the historical data could be a second step | 22:49 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: topic is still all about me btw | 22:50 |
| mlavalle | #undo | 22:50 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1723026/comments/18 | 22:50 |
| mlavalle | #topic RFEs | 22:50 |
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| mlavalle | well | 22:51 |
| haleyb | it doesn't matter at this point i guess | 22:51 |
| mlavalle | anyway, I think we (the Huawei guys) can ask our public cloud bretheren if the logging data is soemthing they would appreciate | 22:51 |
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| mlavalle | does that make sense? | 22:52 |
| hongbin_ | +1 | 22:52 |
| yamamoto | +1 | 22:52 |
| mlavalle | what do you think haleyb? | 22:53 |
| haleyb | +1 | 22:53 |
| mlavalle | cool | 22:53 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1738738 | 22:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1738738 in neutron "[Neutron][Firewall] Extend FWaaS to provide DSCP filtering" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 22:54 |
| mlavalle | Sridark responded to our question from one of the previous meetings | 22:55 |
| mlavalle | The FWaaS team feels that the API is ready for this functionality | 22:55 |
| mlavalle | so I am for approving this RFE | 22:55 |
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| yamamoto | +1 | 22:58 |
| mlavalle | how about you haleyb? | 22:59 |
| haleyb | +1 | 23:00 |
| mlavalle | ok, cool | 23:00 |
| mlavalle | time's up | 23:00 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 23:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 22 23:00:28 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-03-22-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-03-22-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-03-22-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
| yamamoto | bye | 23:00 |
| haleyb | o/ | 23:00 |
| mlavalle | thaks for attending | 23:00 |
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| mlavalle | expect a patch proposing the move of all the meetings to the Friday time slot | 23:01 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto, haleyb ^^^^ | 23:01 |
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| yamamoto | sure | 23:01 |
| haleyb | ack | 23:01 |
| mlavalle | and haleyb, everything is about you anyway, don't you know it? | 23:01 |
| haleyb | riiight :) | 23:02 |
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