Wednesday, 2018-03-28

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diablo_rojo#startmeeting fc_sig08:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 28 08:00:15 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig'08:00
diablo_rojoHello cmurphy :)08:00
diablo_rojoI 100% forgot to email a reminder about the meeting today so we will see who else shows up.08:00
diablo_rojogmann, mattoliverau around?08:01
mattoliverauhaha beat you08:01
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diablo_rojoI also only remembered I had to run this 20 min ago when I was headed to bed lol08:01
diablo_rojoBut I remembered!08:01
mattoliverauthat's the important thing!08:01
diablo_rojoTrue :)08:01
cmurphyI managed to look at my calendar this morning, for which I'm very impressed with myself08:01
mattoliveraucmurphy: wow, nice work ;)08:02
diablo_rojocmurphy, you and I are just killing it at the clutch play08:02
* mattoliverau notes that actually is a feat knowing the suse canendaring system :P08:02
cmurphymattoliverau: i actually figured out how to export my groupwise calendar to my gmail calendar08:02
cmurphy(i've since forgotten how i did that so don't ask)08:03
mattoliverauahh, smart.. I just use gmail for everything upstream08:03
diablo_rojoWe'll give gmann_ another few minutes to show up and see if any newcomers want to join the party before getting started.08:03
gmann_diablo_rojo: hi08:03
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diablo_rojomattoliverau, same and I set all my meetings for the Iceland Timezone so they match UTC08:03
gmann_sorry i was in internal meeting08:03
diablo_rojoOh hello gmann_ :)08:03
diablo_rojoNo worries08:04
diablo_rojoStill just chatting.08:04
cmurphygmail actually has a UTC option now08:04
mattoliverauoh you don't need that anymore.. google calendar finally has a UTC option!08:04
diablo_rojocmurphy, WUT08:04
diablo_rojoSince when?08:04
cmurphyit is very exciting08:04
mattoliverauI figured it out when adding the FC SIG meeting08:04
cmurphysince pretty recently i think08:04
diablo_rojoOh man. Sounds like I get to play calendar cleanup tomorrow.08:04
mattoliverauwell not really, because Iceland is still always UTC08:05
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diablo_rojoI suppose.08:05
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diablo_rojoWell, since the usual suspects are here- should we get started?08:06
diablo_rojo#link Agenda!08:06
diablo_rojo#topic New Contributor Patches08:06
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diablo_rojoDid everyone do their homework?08:06
mattoliverauI did... even if it was today :P08:07
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diablo_rojomattoliverau, still counts if it was done before I asked if it was done.08:07
gmann_I think I did not but donot remember if I reviewed few during weekend08:07
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diablo_rojoI don't think I reviewed them, but I was working on some other things instead (one of them being a later topic) so hopefully you all will accept that.08:08
mattoliverauThere wasn't any Swift ones, so I grabbed the stackalytics ones, reviewed. and mentioned this group if they wanted help/connected as they get started.08:08
cmurphythat's a good idea08:08
diablo_rojoI for sure did one- we have a potential storyboard intern who just pushed her first patch :)08:08
* gmann_ mobile irc client does not get scroll down on new msg.08:09
diablo_rojomattoliverau, that is a good idea08:09
diablo_rojogmann_, oof thats obnoxious- I would guess thats a setting somewhere.08:09
mattoliverauyeah, and I learnt many people make mistakes when adding themselves to stackylitics.. I thought it was just me :P08:09
diablo_rojomattoliverau, I don't think so- its super non intuitive08:10
gmann_diablo_rojo: checking in setting ..08:10
diablo_rojoLast I recall I still work for IBM in stackalytics. Can't remember if I ever updated it.08:10
mattoliveraulol, opps08:10
mattoliverauthere getting all your credit08:10
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diablo_rojomattoliverau, if I looked at stackalytics  I might care, but I don't really anymore08:12
diablo_rojoAnywho, in reviews did anyone find a new contributor they want to bring to the 'New Contributor of the Month' table?08:12
mattoliverauThough based on the current reviews noone to really add to the contributer of the week/month. One got it right and the other 2 didn't.. on of the 2 literally copied over the first entry in the list... rendering the first person in stackylitics gone.08:12
mattoliverau*one of the 208:13
diablo_rojoI might actually say the potential outreachy storyboard intern- She has come into the project and pushed a patch in ~a week. She already pushed a new patchset today too.08:13
diablo_rojomattoliverau, lol08:13
diablo_rojocmurphy, or gmann_ got anyone?08:13
gmann_Same from me, No one as of now. The one I thought not yet replied on review comments.08:13
mattoliveraudiablo_rojo: nice08:14
cmurphyno one stands out in keystone at the moment :/08:14
mattoliverauseems getting new contribs to push a follow up patchset is the hard part.08:15
diablo_rojoOh well. I'll give it till the end of the week and then I will move ahead with our potential intern- not sure if I want to do an OpenStack Blog post, or just throw something in the dev digest or do a super user or just make a wiki page..08:15
mattoliveraumaybe it's the first big barrier. that and time to review usually08:15
diablo_rojomattoliverau, agreed- the first patchset is easier than the follow ups more often than not.08:15
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mattoliverauYeah, so something to make sure we've focused on here and in OUI I  guess08:16
diablo_rojoIf any of you come up with a different new contrib of the week, ping be by Fridayish and we can make a decision.08:16
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gmann_If we can find them in irc it is easy to help them but hats not case always08:16
diablo_rojomattoliverau, indeed.08:16
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diablo_rojogmann_, yeah. And the people that show up in irc, ask a question, don't get an answer right away and dissappear without leaving contact info.. Hard to circle back to them.08:17
mattoliverauyeah, but from their point of view, how long is waiting long enough.08:18
mattoliverauI see that all the time and am like, damn missed them.. but they do tend to stay for 5 - 10 minutes.08:18
diablo_rojoFor them I'm sure they think 20 min or less, in reality I would say give it 12 hours before trying something different.08:18
diablo_rojomattoliverau, more things to stress in OUI08:19
mattoliverauyeah, exactly08:19
gmann_Yea bcz, they might use irc on browser and close if no reply at same time08:19
mattoliveraubut for some people permanent connection to IRC is hard08:19
mattoliverau^ and that08:19
diablo_rojoWhich is why emails to the ml's are good  if you can't stick around on IRC08:20
mattoliverauI guess that's why ask openstack is actually a pretty good option.. except I don't think it's really as well monitored08:20
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diablo_rojoNot as well as it used to.08:20
diablo_rojoThats for sure08:20
diablo_rojo#action Everyone- same homework for next week  3+ reviews (or delegation of reviews) of new contributor patches08:21
diablo_rojoOnto the next topic! Unless someone else has more to say on this one.08:21
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diablo_rojoI'll take the silence as a no.08:22
diablo_rojo#topic monitoring08:22
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* diablo_rojo opens tabs to look for new questions08:22
mattoliverauI didn't see any08:23
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diablo_rojoMe neither.08:23
mattoliverauwell that was an easy topic then :)08:23
diablo_rojoBoom. Cruising through this agenda.08:23
diablo_rojo#topic Rollover of #openstack-10108:24
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mattoliverauAny update on this?08:24
diablo_rojoThis is not done yet. Haven't talked to thingee in a while, but haven't seen movement.08:25
diablo_rojoI don't think he would be offended if someone wanted to take this off his plate?08:25
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diablo_rojoI think he was just being awesome and stepping up cause no one else volunteered.08:25
mattoliveraukk, well it's the easter long weekend so I don't plan on doing much this coming week. (between these meetings)08:26
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mattoliveraulet's see what happens by next meeting and then if no one steps up I'll figure out how to do a thing.08:27
diablo_rojomattoliverau, was that a 'I volunteer as tribute since its a long weekend' or a 'not it, its a long weekend' ?08:27
diablo_rojoGot it08:27
mattoliveraunot it, it's a long weekend08:27
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diablo_rojoI think it can wait another week.08:27
mattoliveraubut also a I volunteer.. so really it was both08:27
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diablo_rojoHa ha works for me.08:27
diablo_rojoif you need the directions I can find them again for you mattoliverau08:28
mattoliveraucool, I'm sure I'll ask after next meeting :P08:28
diablo_rojoHa alright :)08:28
diablo_rojo#topic Forum Discussion Planning08:28
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diablo_rojo#link Planning Etherpad08:28
diablo_rojoLooks like fungi added a second idea to the etherpad08:29
mattoliverauI think it would be cool to have some time to all meet up face to face.. and potentually trick more people into helping08:29
diablo_rojomattoliverau, +108:29
diablo_rojoI think that is part of the goal behind idea #108:30
diablo_rojoidea #2 is more pratical- a draft planning session of what contributors need allowed from their companies to actually contribute back to the community08:30
gmann_And open time for all new people or company representative if they have any query etc08:30
diablo_rojogmann_, yeah they could fit in both discussions08:30
diablo_rojoI think08:30
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diablo_rojoThe second idea is an expansion on a discussion that started with the tc08:31
mattoliverauoh #2 is interesting. if that is happening getting an idea of all the problems so we can try and solve some would be good08:31
persiaOne of the issues we've had with the #2 discussion in the past is that we often don't have representatives from companies that don't have lots of contributors, which makes the discussion theoretical.  Would the audience from FC_SIG likely include such representatives?08:32
mattoliverau^ that08:32
mattoliverauI was just going to say something similar08:32
mattoliverauI've love for us to talk about it, but without someone who has the issues present it's hard08:32
cmurphyI won't put him on the spot but I'll ask one of our keystone contributors to be present, he was useful about shedding some light on these things at the TPG08:33
persiaI've anecdotal reports from a few companies (including some in China), but if there is a good way to get folk to explain what might be hard, that would be hugely helpful in terms of documenting it.08:33
diablo_rojoIf we propose that topic (probably jointly with the tc) I would like to broadcast its happening as widely as possible to get some of those representatives08:33
gmann_Ok, bcz it is hard to find new developers in summit due to budget08:33
mattoliveraucmurphy: cool, if you could, that'll be awesome.. no pressure tho, on him08:33
diablo_rojoIf we know what companies struggle with it- we can definitely do more targeted outreach too08:34
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mattoliveraupersia: anecdotal is better then nothing.. so could be a start.08:34
diablo_rojoWe can have the discussion with as many people as we can get there.08:35
diablo_rojoIt could be a living document too- updating as we go.08:35
mattoliverauI've noticed Swift reviews from China but they never show up in channel.. I wonder if they've got the same problem. Maybe I'll try and reach out.08:35
mattoliveraudiablo_rojo: +108:36
diablo_rojoJust having something more formalized would be good to be able to point organizations at08:36
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diablo_rojoI can try to remember to bring this up in the TC meeting tomorrow.08:36
cmurphyanecdotally, it's sometimes technical and part social - hard to participate in a synchronous conversation if you're not confident in your english skills08:37
mattoliveraudiablo_rojo: good idea.. if you remember :) (I know it's late there)08:37
diablo_rojocmurphy, true08:37
mattoliveraucmurphy: +108:37
persiaOr find counterparties before 8 or 9 UTC :)08:38
diablo_rojoI would like if it was only social barriers and not technical ones- if we could get all the companies in OpenStack to be on the same page with letting their contributors participate...08:38
cmurphypersia: that too08:38
diablo_rojothink of how much more action we would see :)08:38
diablo_rojoSo I guess thats two forum discussions we can propose. I can start drafting abstracts this week/weekend for review next week. Forum submissions close the 15th I think?08:39
diablo_rojoAnyone ever proposed one before?08:40
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mattoliverauyeah, but it want only a few lines and aimed at operators08:41
mattoliverauseemed to work at least for atlanta08:41
gmann_For usual operator feedback it works well :-)08:41
mattoliverauif you write something up I'm happy to review it08:41
mattoliveraunot that I'm a wordsmith or anything.. I'm Australian.. I only know bad english08:41
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* diablo_rojo can look at the application to see if there are other questions, just being lazy currently08:42
diablo_rojoAnd last topic!08:42
diablo_rojo#topic Cleaning up sanbox and & sandbox-ci patches08:43
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diablo_rojoI wrote a thing to post on old patches.08:43
diablo_rojo     Hello! Thank you for your first patch :) I see that it has gone untouched for quite a while so in an effort   to clean up this repository, I will abandon it. If you would like it to be restored or have any other questions about how to contribute upstream, please reach out to myself ($IRCNICK) or any of the other First Contact SIG members[1] on IRC in the #openstack-dev channel. [1]
mattoliveraunice words08:43
cmurphyMaybe add a link to the new contributor guide?08:44
gmann_Looks good. +108:44
diablo_rojoThank you. I wrote them when I hadn't been up for 18 hours and only slept for 6 the night before :)08:44
* cmurphy also not bothered by just leaving those patches open08:44
persiaJust to confirm: that's only for changes that are single changes by unique submitters where no patch to any other repo predates that change?08:44
diablo_rojocmurphy, yeah that would be a good addition.08:44
persiaIf not, maybe replace "first" with "experimental" or "sandbox".08:44
diablo_rojopersia, talking about the literal sandbox repo and for new contributors and for patches that are circa 2+ years ago08:45
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cmurphypersia: they are patches that get reviewed by the "welcome new contributor" bot which only reviews people's first submission08:45
persiadiablo_rojo: Just wanted to confirm it was really "new contributors", as I know my first change to the sandbox project wasn't my first change submitted to gerrit :)08:45
mattoliverauthe search though is looking for the new contributor message, so I guess they could have pushed a patch elsewere though right?08:45
diablo_rojopersia, good clarification08:46
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persiamattoliverau: I think the new contributor bot looks gerrit-wide, so it really is just first changes submitted.08:46
diablo_rojomattoliverau, yeah since that one they could have pushed another08:46
diablo_rojoI suppose I didnt look at the few I wrote that on and abandoned to see if they had other open patches08:46
mattoliverauwe could write a tool to look for that though.08:47
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diablo_rojomattoliverau, at this point I just use the gerrit query, but yeah could do that08:47
gmann_Both cases we need to abandon and I think same msg works ok08:47
mattoliverauI have some old code we used to use for looking for possibly abandoned swift patches. Maybe I'll see if it still works (api the same), and then do a new contrib + sandbox then a follow up search on the results to get a list of 1 time contribs and only in sandbox.08:48
mattoliveraugmann_: true08:48
diablo_rojomattoliverau, that would be cool.08:48
diablo_rojoEither way, not that pressing.08:49
diablo_rojoAnd thats the last planned topic I had :)08:49
diablo_rojo#topic AOB?08:49
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diablo_rojocmurphy, any interest in coming to help us run Upstream Institute? :)08:49
diablo_rojomattoliverau, can attest to how fun it is :)08:49
mattoliverauoh yeah it's great.. especially the people!08:50
mattoliverauabout that on my end..08:50
diablo_rojomattoliverau, we need you!08:50
cmurphyI've never looked into it, I suppose it involves making it to the summit a couple of days early?08:50
diablo_rojocmurphy, correct- its saturday and sunday before the summit starts08:50
cmurphyso would need buy-in from my employer08:51
cmurphyalso not sure yet what the board meeting schedule is08:51
diablo_rojoWe do genuinely need a keystone rep.08:51
gmann_Usually it is same day on Sunday. Last time it was at least08:51
mattoliveraudiablo_rojo: I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I can't make OUI this summit (though I really wanted to be there).. turns out months ago we got our babymoon dates wrong by only a few days, so will kinda be on a beach in Fiji until the Sunday of Vancouver. I thought it was planned ending the weekend before.. seriously it wasn't planned to conflict because I'd planned to be at OUI.08:52
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diablo_rojocmurphy, yeah that does get in the way. smcginnis usually comes for part of the time and then ducks out to the board meeting when he needs to08:52
cmurphymattoliverau: i'm so sorry for you08:52
mattoliveraucmurphy: if it helps my employer was happy with me doing it last time :)08:52
cmurphymattoliverau: that does help ;)08:52
mattoliveraucmurphy: I know.. it's going to be hard.08:53
cmurphydiablo_rojo: i can probably follow smcginnis's lead there08:53
diablo_rojoI love the scathing sarcasm there08:53
gmann_mattoliverau: v ll miss u there08:53
mattoliveraucmurphy: but it was serously a mistake that we tried to change08:53
diablo_rojocmurphy, cool :) We would love to have you.08:53
diablo_rojomattoliverau, we will need to find a different Australian to stand in for you this round.08:54
mattoliveraudiablo_rojo: I promise to do extra work during the forum08:54
diablo_rojomattoliverau, I'm holding you to that :P08:55
mattoliverauif you want I'll send photos from the fiji resort :P08:56
diablo_rojocmurphy, as we get closer I can pull you into the planning stuff. For now theres not much to do besides work on adding to the contributor guide and rip out content from the old slides. Maybe update some exercises.08:56
cmurphydiablo_rojo: cool, i'm also adding the meetings to my calendar08:57
diablo_rojocmurphy, awesome :)08:57
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diablo_rojomattoliverau, :P08:57
diablo_rojoAnyone got anything else in our last three minutes?08:57
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mattoliverauI think you can go to bed a little early diablo_rojo08:58
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diablo_rojoOkay I'm going!08:59
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gmann_Thanks diablo_rojo gn08:59
diablo_rojoThaks for coming gmann_ mattoliverau and cmurphy :) A pleasure as always.09:00
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oneswigokey dokey11:00
oneswig#startmeeting scientific-sig11:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 28 11:00:27 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at
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oneswig#link Agenda for today
oneswigGood morning good afternoon good evening11:00
zhipenggood evening :)11:01
oneswigHey zhipeng, thanks for joining today11:01
zhipengglad to be here11:01
priteauHello everyone11:01
verdurinHello - I can only join for a while because I only remembered about the timing change this morning...11:01
oneswigThen let's get started and talk fast :-)11:02
martial__good day :)11:02
oneswig#topic Cyborg11:02
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oneswigHi martial__, good morning11:02
oneswig#chair martial__11:02
openstackCurrent chairs: martial__ oneswig11:02
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oneswig#link Zhipeng's presentation
oneswigzhipeng: Thanks for sharing the presentation with us.  I have plenty of questions and I am sure others do too.11:03
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zhipengno problem !11:03
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oneswigCan you start by describing, what is missing is OpenStack's support for (say) GPUs?11:03
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zhipenghave to applogize for lacking a more up to date one11:03
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zhipengok, so we have discussed very early on with Scientific SIG11:04
zhipengand got valuable input as well11:05
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b1airoI'm still awake it seems11:05
zhipengthe initial feedback we got regarding GPU, is that it is difficult to fully balance between GPU and CPU resource11:05
oneswig#chair b1airo11:05
openstackCurrent chairs: b1airo martial__ oneswig11:05
oneswigEvening Blair11:06
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zhipenghey Blair11:06
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martial__welcome b1airo :)11:06
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zhipengso for example, users typically either have to host aggregate the GPU resource in order to fully utilize it11:06
oneswigzhipeng: balance, as in manage the scheduling of workloads that require GPUs without under-utilising the GPU hardwrare?11:06
zhipengoneswig exactly11:07
b1airoSounds like that is more a user problem?11:07
zhipengor user have a mix CPU-GPU setup but workload that needs GPU not scheduled onto GPU nodes as planned11:07
zhipengthat was the input back in Boston Summit :)11:08
zhipengfrom Jim Golden I believe :)11:08
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oneswigI think this is a good example that people can relate to.11:08
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zhipengwell I think if we look at the latest release, with the Placement and all, this issue is not that severe11:08
b1airoI'm not sure if I could be talking at cross purposes here as I came in late...11:09
oneswigHow does Cyborg help?11:09
zhipengso Cyborg, developed as a general mgmt framework dedicated to the acceleration resources11:09
zhipenglike FPGA, GPU, NVMe SSD,...11:09
zhipengWill help treating these types resources as first class citizen when Nova schedules11:10
zhipengso we have a more recent use case11:10
zhipengfrom another perspective11:10
b1airoBut this sounds like an inherent problem with direct attached devices and passthrough - balancing usage of must-have system resources like CPU & RAM versus accelerator resources has to be done at hardware purchase time - i.e. cannot be flexible or optimal for all use-cases/workloads11:10
zhipengb1airo well I think getting a reasonable utilization rate is achievable11:11
zhipengok,back to the new use case11:12
zhipengprovided by kosamara from CERN11:12
zhipengis that for security reason, users might want to clean up the GPU after usage11:12
zhipengthis could also be something Cyborg could help with , via NVIDIA driver11:13
oneswigzhipeng: in a virtualised context?  Cleaning after pass-through?11:13
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zhipengnuh it is for hpc11:14
zhipengno virtualization11:14
kosamaraYes, cleaning the GPU memory after passthrough.11:14
zhipengkosamara tho not virtualized GPU right ?11:15
kosamaraNo, only in passthrough config11:15
b1airoThat's an interesting one - what is the attack / information leak vector there kosamara ?11:15
kosamaraEvents: user 1 uses a gpu, relinquishes it, user 2 claims it11:15
belmoreiraI think firmware is more important than memory11:16
kosamaraThen, user 2 can access user 1's data, which is not erased automatically11:16
b1airoAnd how will you clean? Load a custom CUDA kernel that zeros all memory (without using unified memory)?11:16
kosamaraThat's what I think. The problem is that the host can't do that, because it doesn't have the nvidia driver kernel modules loaded.11:17
kosamaraTo allow gpu passthrough, the device must be claimed by vfio.11:17
b1airobelmoreira: please let me know if you get a different response from elsewhere inside NVIDIA than I did11:17
belmoreirab1airo sure11:18
martial__(this reminds me there were quite a few announcements during GTC yesterday)11:18
zhipengwell on a sidenote, we are really looking forward to work with NVIDIA team to have a driver ready for Rocky :)11:18
b1airokosamara: would this require a rowhammer alike attack?11:18
zz9pzzaYou could have a image that is run between jobs who's tak kis to do the clean up11:19
b1airozhipeng: you can hope! :-)11:19
oneswigkosamara: Are you simply able to write to the PCI memory regions of the VF without a driver loaded (or is that naive)?11:19
zhipengb1airo lol11:19
oneswigNat VF, GPU, ahem11:19
kosamarablairo no. If user 1 in the above example leaves his data on memory, then user 2 can simply read the entire gpu memory and find them.11:20
zz9pzzaHaving a cleaning image per thing is more generic.11:20
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b1airoMind you, they are pretty busy making boxes that melt racks... (for those who read about DGX-2 today)11:20
belmoreirazhipeng: not sure if I completely understood the goal of cyborg. Can you explain how cyborg differs from the work done in nova to support vGPUs?11:21
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kosamaraoneswig: I'm currently researching that possibility. I don't have low-level pci knowledge yet, so it will take me some time. Perhaps someone else can provide a better answer?11:21
b1airokosamara: is that a verified leak, i.e. between guest instance boots and driver initialisations - I didn't know about this :-/11:22
zhipengbelmoreira great question, so on a higher level, cyborg aims to provide a general framework. Per GPU, we are actually discussing with the vGPU folks in Nova on working out a collaboration plan11:22
kosamarablairo: yes, I can link to this paper:
oneswigTo follow on belmoreira's question, this issue with GPU cleaning between uses, I guess it can generalise to other kinds of acceleration.  But does that require a service?11:23
priteaukosamara: so it's quite similar to Ironic node cleaning, but with a cleaning VM loaded after each user instance is terminated?11:23
b1airoThanks, will have a look11:23
zhipengthe current thinking is that cyborg could provide a more nuanced represenation of vGPU resources, for example in a tree structure11:23
zhipengwhich was originally planned but later ditched in the nova spec, if I remember correctly11:23
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zhipengOne thing worth mentioning is that Cyborg utilize and interact with Placement for resource information aggregation11:24
priteaukosamara: which component is responsible for launching this cleaning VM? Is there a cybord-compute agent?11:24
belmoreiraoneswig: that's a good point. If nova supports PCI passthrough maybe it should be handled there11:25
kosamarapriteau: I don't know how ironic node cleaning works. But yes, a cleaning VM loaded after each user. Apart if what oneswig suggests above can actually work, through the vfio driver, which is already on the host11:25
b1airooneswig: kosamara: re. direct PCI config space writes - yes I believe you can. Vfio can intercept, but it doesn't currently protect everything that should be protected with GPU BAR011:25
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belmoreirazhipeng: but at the end is nova scheduler that needs to be aware of this available resources in placement11:26
zhipengyes exactly11:26
b1airoI can imagine cyborg coming into its own with a solid network/fabric based accelerator attachment model11:26
zhipengcyborg-conductor will sync with Placement about all the acceleration resources11:26
zhipengb1airo that is definitely something we are looking at11:27
b1airoThings like PCIe fabrics11:27
oneswigOne issue with this approach is that programmed-IO writes to how-many-GB of GPU RAM might be slower than booting a vm to get the GPU to do it itself.11:27
zhipengthat model better suits coz the life cycle is independant from the compute11:27
martial__zhipeng: what is your timeline for features in cyborg?11:27
b1airoOr perhaps NVMeoF11:27
zhipengmartial__ which features ?11:28
oneswigb1airo: you thinking of RCUDA here?11:28
zhipengoneswig the Huawei Cloud will actually have a RCUDA enable remote GPU for use this year11:29
b1airoYes, RCUDA is a good example for GPUs and would be cool to have a prototype11:29
zhipengthe service end is implemented based upon cyborg11:29
oneswigzhipeng: sounds good, better get that cleaning working :-)11:29
zhipengcleaning is more fun :)11:30
b1airoWill we hear about that in Berlin zhipeng ? :-)11:30
martial__zhipeng: given the abstraction level per hardware, are you prioritizing some components/hardware first or is the model/solution thought as a generic enabler for all hardware?11:30
zhipengb1airo will endeaver to do so :P11:30
zhipengmartial__ starting Rocky we will try to establishing something like a standardized metadata description11:30
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zhipengacross FPGA, GPU and other things11:31
zhipengdevice tree for ARM for example11:31
zhipengwe want to make Cyborg talk as general as possible to the accelerators11:31
martial__sounds very good11:32
oneswigzhipeng: can you talk more on the interaction with nova/placement?  Does Cyborg do something with custom resource classes?11:32
zhipengyes oneswig, cyborg implements custom trait and resource class for FPGA resources at the moment11:33
b1airozhipeng: I think the SLURM scheduler already has a similar tree like resource model, you should look into that for inspiration and/or blatant copying11:33
zhipengand will do the same for other types of accelerators as well11:33
zhipengb1airo any pointers ?11:33
zhipengwould love to blatanyly copy XD11:33
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b1airoIt's called GRES11:34
oneswigzhipeng: what extra does Cyborg add to the placement service's handling of custom resource classes for scheduling with accelerators?11:35
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zhipengoneswig actually nothing special (beauty of the placement design)11:35
zhipengas long as we define the schema correctly, it could work :)11:36
zhipengour Intel dev team did a PoC to verify that, just couple of days ago11:36
oneswigAh, OK, so the focus of development effort is for supporting the hardware end, more than the scheduling end?11:36
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oneswigcleaning and so on?11:37
zhipengyes the gaps for example for FPGA, is how to interact with Glance on image mgmt11:37
zhipengand how to attach11:37
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zhipengso one of the outcome of the discussion we had with the nova team in Dublin11:37
zhipengis that they suggest we created a os-acc lib11:37
zhipengsimilar to os-vif and os-brick, to handle that11:37
zhipengFor GPU, I guees it would be the cleaning and attach/detach as well11:38
oneswigDo you have support for loading user netlists onto FPGAs and passing-through as a prepared device?11:38
zhipengoneswig I have to double check on that with the driver team :)11:40
b1airoOh right, now I realise at the start of the meeting you were probably talking about dynamic attachment of GPUs etc to instances (as opposed to fixed to instance like we have now)11:40
oneswigcould be good, but very scary attack potential11:40
zhipengb1airo yep :)11:40
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oneswigAh, I have to drop off - I have a visitor - chairs can you take over the meeting bot?11:41
b1airozhipeng: have you looked at potential for cyborg to orchestrate vGPU?11:43
zhipengyes definitely, we actually invite Jianghua to join the discussion on our weekly meeting about 2 hours and 15mins later :P11:44
zhipengon #openstack-cyborg11:44
martial__zhipeng: then can you also describe how to best use Cyborg; ie how to deploy and make use of it efficiently ?11:45
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b1airoI am not sure what actually ended being implemented for the new vGPU support in Nova, but I'm guessing since there is still no NVIDIA Linux/KVM drivers available for host side yet that there must be gaps11:45
martial__(or plan for use, ie best practice with cyborg)11:46
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zhipengmartial__ well as you know we wrote the project from ground up, so it is still very buggy, but devstack is the best way at the moment to try it out11:47
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zhipengb1airo i think I could confirm that with Jianghua later11:47
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b1airoThanks, I will follow up to check the logs11:48
martial__sounds good, thank you11:48
b1airozhipeng: did you have anything else to report on Cyborg?11:49
martial__zhipeng: anyhting else we need to know about cyborg?11:49
b1airoOr for that matter does anyone else have further questions?11:49
zhipengi think we've covered all the important bits11:49
b1airo(jinx martial__ )11:49
martial__(indeed b1airo :) )11:49
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martial__zhipeng: thank you very much for taking the time to come talk to us11:50
zhipengfor our rocky priorities, you could checkout from the mailinglist archive11:50
zhipengno problem, cyborg could not be born without the great early support from SWG, and your inputs are always welcomed11:50
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b1airomartial__: do you have the Forum brainstorm etherpad link handy?11:50
martial__#link Forum brainstorming (
martial__#link Forum brainstorming
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martial__so far still only Blair's content11:52
martial__we will have more added as we get closer and get confirmation of who will be able to join11:52
b1airokosamara: belmoreira - please throw your ideas in there regarding a session on GPUs11:53
martial__but FTI, fellow Scientific SIG participants, the Etherpad is for our collection of ideas for the Forum11:53
martial__(FTI -> FYI)11:53
martial__And as I see no comments yet11:54
martial__moving on to the next topic11:55
martial__#topic AOB11:55
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martial__Well GTC yesterday gave us some things to look ino11:55
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martial__"NVIDIA TensorRT™ is a high-performance deep learning inference optimizer and runtime that delivers low latency and high-throughput for deep learning inference applications. With TensorRT, you can optimize neural network models, calibrate for lower precision with high accuracy, and finally deploy the models to hyperscale data centers, embedded, or automotive product platforms. TensorRT-based applications on11:56
martial__ GPUs perform up to 100x faster than CPU during inference for models trained in all major frameworks."
martial__and "NVLink is a great advance to enable eight GPUs in a single server, and accelerate performance beyond PCIe. [...] NVIDIA NVSwitch is the first on-node switch architecture to support 16 fully-connected GPUs in a single server node and drive simultaneous communication between all eight GPU pairs"
martial__For people interested, the full 2h30 video is at
martial__and the model 2 ... b1airo ? :)11:57
b1airoYeah, 10kW beast11:57
martial__Link for people interested
martial__and with that, we are reaching the end of the hour11:59
b1airoI want HGX-2 (for the little people)11:59
martial__thanks again to zhipeng for spending some quality time talking to us about Cyborg (reminder on presentation )12:00
b1airoTime's up!12:00
martial__thanks everybody for joining us for another fun session :)12:01
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mugsie#startmeeting Designate14:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 28 14:01:16 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at
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mugsie#topic Roll Call14:01
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mugsie#topic Bug Triage14:02
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1758013 in Designate ""also_notifies" section is not purged by designate when removing it from "pools.yaml" file" [Undecided,New]14:03
mugsieI need to actually reproduce this,  but I think I know what it  is, and it is a real (and annoying) bug14:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1756329 in Designate "Delzone fails when not authorative and using caching/forwarding DNS servers " [Undecided,New]14:04
mugsiethis one I am not sure about14:04
mugsieshould we be supporting use cases where people are using mixed mode DNS servers?14:05
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fricklerhmm, doesn't sound unreasonable to me14:05
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simon-AS559Maybe a documentation improvement would be sufficient… don't use your Designate-controlled name servers recursively?14:06
fricklerif folks are really to use this in production, moving a zone away from designate or maybe towards another designate in a different cloud seems a valid scenario14:06
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mugsiefrickler: yeah, that works fine if your servers are authoritive only14:06
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mugsiebut someone has turned on recursion on the designate controlled servers14:07
mugsieactually - humm ...14:07
simon-AS559Actually the reporter suggested to turn off recursion towards the designate nodes—that should also work.14:07
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mugsieoh - yeah, then docs to say that are a good idea14:07
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mugsie#topic Backport Triage14:09
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mugsieactually, nothing of note has merged to consider for backport14:09
mugsie#topic General Discussion14:10
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mugsieany topics for this?14:10
fricklerone thing14:10
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fricklerseeing that we have some issue with the dashboard14:10
fricklerI've wondered whether it would make sense to amend to specifically ask for UI folk14:11
mugsieoh - good idea14:11
fricklerI plan to try to tackle but no progress yet14:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1729261 in Designate Dashboard "Lack of pagination on recordset page" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Dr. Jens Harbott (j-harbott)14:12
mugsieI am trying to get some internal people to jump on to this, but that takes time to scope the work, and swap them over to the upstream work14:12
mugsiefrickler: cool - if you need anything shout14:12
mugsieI was thinking that we may want to swap to the JS talking to designate's api directly14:13
mugsiebut that may eed some extra work14:13
fricklera couple of spare hours would be helpful :D14:13
mugsiemy tardis is broken unfortunatly14:13
fricklerdst took away another hour, wrong direction14:14
mugsiebut it fixed my US meeting times :)14:14
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simon-AS559For me it removed a conflict between this meeting and another one every two weeks!14:15
simon-AS559So DST is all good :-P14:15
mugsieok - any other issues / topics?14:16
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fricklerdoesn't look like it14:17
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mugsiehave a great day everyone !14:17
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ad_ri3n_#startmeeting fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds15:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 28 15:01:23 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ad_ri3n_. Information about MeetBot at
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ad_ri3n_#chair  ad_ri3n_15:01
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openstackCurrent chairs: ad_ri3n_15:01
ad_ri3n_#topic roll call15:01
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ad_ri3n_Hi guys15:01
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ad_ri3n_Let's see who is  available today15:01
marie_Hi, sorry I'm late15:01
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ad_ri3n_Hi jamemcc15:02
ad_ri3n_parus ? ansmith ?kgiusti ?15:02
ad_ri3n_#info agenda15:03
ad_ri3n_#link (line 322)15:03
ad_ri3n_Hi guys15:03
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dpertinHi o/15:03
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ad_ri3n_I started to add some news, please feel free to do the same from your side (directly in the pad)15:04
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ad_ri3n_So only two news from my side as we mainly worked on the paper from our side.15:07
ad_ri3n_maybe one last info to share: kgiusti it looks like you will be now officially part of the OpenStack core devs ?15:07
ad_ri3n_Congrats !15:07
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ad_ri3n_or still not yet finalized?15:07
kgiustiad_ri3n_: yes!  Thanks!15:07
jamemccwow kgiusti - thanks15:08
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kgiustiad_ri3n_: I'm expecting it to go through15:08
ad_ri3n_you are our trojan horse ;)15:08
msimoninbravo kgiusti !15:08
kgiustiad_ri3n_: I'd rather be a trojan rabbit...15:09
kgiustiad_ri3n_: pardon the obscure monty python reference...15:09
kgiustithanks all15:09
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ad_ri3n_Ok any other info to share ?15:09
marie_don't jump on people's throat15:09
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ad_ri3n_jdandrea put some information relatd to the MUSIC project15:10
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ad_ri3n_I thought he will be there to elaborate a bit more but not sure he can attend our meeting this week.15:11
ad_ri3n_so let's start on the ongoing/pending actions if there is nothing more to discuss on this topic.15:11
ad_ri3n_#topic ongoing-actions-edge-sessions.15:12
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ad_ri3n_as mentioned the last session has been cancelled due to the F2F meeting in ONS. I cannot attend it but parus did. He will probably give us a brief overview of what has been discussed.15:12
ad_ri3n_regarding the meeting before the last one.15:12
ad_ri3n_We mainly discuss about possible issues regarding the current approach (i.e. a kind of manager in charge of synchronizing the different OpenStack instances).15:13
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* ad_ri3n_ is waiting now for the etherpad to be loaded…15:15
ad_ri3n_line 9215:17
ad_ri3n_so that's all15:18
ad_ri3n_sorry for being long…15:18
ad_ri3n_and maybe I also missed to announce the new dedicated IRC: Edge Computing Group IRC channel: Freenode: #edge-computing-group 15:18
ad_ri3n_I didn't connect yet to be honest (I should have but ...)15:18
ad_ri3n_so I don't know whether it is quite active or not15:19
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ad_ri3n_so that's all for this topic15:19
ad_ri3n_let's move forward15:19
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ad_ri3n_#topic ongoing-actions-p2p-gapanalysis15:20
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ad_ri3n_Nothing more on that point than what has been written in the pad15:20
ad_ri3n_so if there is no question, let's go on.15:20
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ad_ri3n_. . .15:20
ad_ri3n_. . .15:20
ad_ri3n_ok let's go on15:20
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jamemccReferencing #edge-computing-group  Thanks. Yeah - it looks active - at least some of the right people are in it15:20
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ad_ri3n_yes let's try to keep an eye on that indeed.15:21
ad_ri3n_#topic ongoing-actions-cockroach15:21
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ad_ri3n_what are the news?15:21
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marie_we are gathering the results15:22
marie_and we are trying to analyse them for now, on replicated keystone15:22
ad_ri3n_it seems you will give a look to tidb also?15:23
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marie_yes, we might look into tidb more seriously because the sysbench test made was great15:23
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msimoninyou mean it performs better than cockroach under sysbench ?15:24
marie_yep, and mariadb15:24
marie_like 10 times better, so I'm looking into that because it seems suspicious :)15:25
ad_ri3n_any news regarding the experimental protocol. Did you make progress on that side?15:25
marie_yep, I'm making a draft for the test plan15:25
ad_ri3n_or should we wait a bit more :-P15:25
msimoninWill people from cockroach be involved in the test plan ?15:26
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marie_I'll put it on the pad15:26
ad_ri3n_So feedbacks/comments welcome15:26
ad_ri3n_anything else?15:27
marie_I would like to get people from cockroach involved in the test plan, cause cockroach results are not really good and maybe I'm doing something wrong15:27
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marie_nothing more !15:27
msimoninmarie_: ack15:28
ad_ri3n_so please do not forget to put your test plan draft on the pad ASAP15:29
ad_ri3n_#topic ongoing-action-AMQP15:29
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ad_ri3n_msimonin:  ansmith kgiusti15:29
msimoninyes !15:29
msimoninSo we've made some progress on the experimentation framework15:30
kgiustinothing much from me this week - investigating some memory issues found by msimonin15:30
* ad_ri3n_ is going through all the interesting links ;)15:30
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msimoninI've put the most interesting things in the epad15:31
msimoninThe more noticeable thing is that we now scale to 10K+ RPC agents :)15:31
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ad_ri3n_How many PMs?15:31
kgiustioh yeah!15:32
msimoninad_ri3n_:  The funny thing is that we don't need many Physical Machines15:32
msimoninwe used approx 55 PMs15:32
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msimoninrpc clients sleeps most of the time15:32
msimoninin the workload we have15:32
ad_ri3n_and containers/enosStack?15:32
ad_ri3n_how do you emulate independency between agents? maybe you have not to ?15:33
msimoninthat makes 10K-ish containers15:33
ad_ri3n_maybe it would make sense to give a look at solutions such as Distem15:33
ad_ri3n_(or at least to better understand the positioning w.r.t enosStack)15:34
ad_ri3n_to conduct such experiments15:34
ad_ri3n_but anyway: welldone guys15:34
ad_ri3n_still awesome what you succeed to achieve from the experiment viewpoint !15:34
msimoninJavier is adding the latency constraints in the framework15:34
msimoninWe have big plans for the coming weeks :)15:35
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ad_ri3n_ok nothing more15:38
ad_ri3n_#topic open-discussions15:38
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ad_ri3n_so we have two points to discuss at least:15:38
ad_ri3n_opportunities to see/collaborate with more folks from RedHat15:38
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ad_ri3n_kgiusti:  ansmith?15:38
ad_ri3n_any news? in particular from the ones that are working on evaluating OpenStack WANWide?15:39
ansmithnot many folks were around this week due to ONS, internal meetings15:39
kgiustithis has been a tough nut to crack.15:39
ansmithwill double back on this next week15:40
ad_ri3n_some changes to see someone joining soon? It looks definitely relevant15:40
ad_ri3n_Actually It is a suprise to see so many people attending events such as the F2F informal meeting yesterday at ONS15:41
ad_ri3n_and only the best guys on this IRC .)15:41
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ad_ri3n_I don't know how we can attract more people and federate all the ongoing actions15:42
ad_ri3n_in particular the ones that focus OpenStack15:42
kgiustiI'm not aware of anything specific - ansmith?15:42
ad_ri3n_This looks to be a nonsense to work, each,  on our side15:43
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ansmiththere is some focus around multi-site, just need to track down those folks15:43
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ad_ri3n_kgiusti:  ansmith I pointed those guys during the PTG15:43
ad_ri3n_you said that they are probably taking part to the OpenStack group @redhat15:43
ad_ri3n_I do not remind the name unfortunately but I can find it if needed15:44
ansmithI believe it was Azhar and/or Sanjay, we had reached out to them before and will do so again15:45
ad_ri3n_thanks ansmith for trying… highly appreciated ;-)15:45
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ad_ri3n_I know also that people from IWinStack were interested to take part but we should try to identify concrete actions with them15:45
ad_ri3n_any ideas of current actions we can start and that make sense for our working group15:46
ad_ri3n_we talked a lot about evaluating cell V2 concept but it looks like the cell abstraction will only be related to nova in the future15:46
ad_ri3n_so not sure whether we should bet on that15:46
ad_ri3n_@dpertin will start to dive a bit more on Nova15:47
ad_ri3n_to see what are the missing mechanisms/capabilities we should add in Nova15:47
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ad_ri3n_in terms of edge requirements15:47
msimoninWe'd like to evaluate multisite + qdr in the future15:47
msimoninqdr = qpid-dispatch-router15:47
ad_ri3n_@msimonin great : can you add a note in the pad15:47
ad_ri3n_my idea is to identify a few actions that make sense and to propose to iWinSTACK to see whether15:48
msimoninsince you defer the routing to the messaging layer you could have site(cells) without actual cells15:48
ad_ri3n_they might be interested to dig into15:48
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ansmithany pointers to iWinSTACK? not finding via googling15:49
ad_ri3n_Chineese company15:49
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ad_ri3n_and looks for Joseph Wang15:50
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ad_ri3n_they have implemented a few mechanisms from the OEC group15:51
ad_ri3n_so they are familiar with the edge challenges15:51
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ad_ri3n_they attended the SF event last september. I'm pretty sure they are good candidates for contributing to the SiG15:51
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ad_ri3n_so I open a new action in the epad. Please feel free to add any actions you would like to discuss/make progress on15:53
ad_ri3n_nothing more from my side.15:53
ad_ri3n_anything else?15:53
msimoninnothing from my side15:54
ad_ri3n_maybe one question15:54
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ad_ri3n_Guys are you evaluating ZMQ also?15:54
dpertinshall we discuss something regarding vancouver summit forum/f2f/...?15:54
ad_ri3n_or it is definitely dead?15:54
ad_ri3n_@dpertin we should indeed open a new bullet for that but we can probably discuss it next time.15:54
kgiustiad_ri3n_: a moment of silence would be appropriate.15:54
ad_ri3n_kgiusti:  :-)15:55
kgiustiI've emailed both the operator's and the dev mailing list asking for volunteers to support it15:55
kgiustiso far no takers.15:55
ad_ri3n_msimonin:  ?15:55
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ad_ri3n_it is also your opinon?15:55
ad_ri3n_ZMQ no way to test it?15:56
ad_ri3n_it was a fully P2P approach so conceptually speaking15:56
ad_ri3n_does it make sense to give it a look?15:56
kgiustiAt oslo PTG it was decided to move it to deprecated.  Currently we removed all zmq unit tests as they've been broken for months now.15:56
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ad_ri3n_or what can be done with ZQM can also be done with qpid?15:56
ad_ri3n_thanks kgiusti15:57
ad_ri3n_good to know15:57
kgiustifunctionally yes - both support RPC15:57
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ad_ri3n_I was thinking in terms of overlay/P2P concepts. but ok if it is dead…. RIP15:57
kgiustiunless some brave soul(s) come forward, yes RIP15:58
ad_ri3n_ok two minutes left15:58
ad_ri3n_inwinstack :D15:58
ad_ri3n_stupid joke15:58
ad_ri3n_so if nothing more… enjoy the rest of the day15:58
msimoninad_ri3n_: yes zmq is not a good bet15:58
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ad_ri3n_and talk to you in two weeks15:59
ad_ri3n_thanks guys ! have fun !15:59
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msimoninactually I think this didn't scale well15:59
msimonin(the implementation)15:59
ad_ri3n_#endmeeting 15:59
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jungleboyj#startmeeting cinder16:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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jungleboyjCourtesy ping:  jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlontpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut16:00
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_pewp_jungleboyj ( ^_^)/16:01
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jungleboyjWelcome all.  Give people another minute to join up.16:02
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jungleboyjAh Swanson  is here.  Now we can start.16:03
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SwansonYou may proceed.16:03
jungleboyj#topic announcements16:03
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jungleboyjFirst, Vancouver Topic Submission tool is now Open.16:03
jungleboyjRight now all we have is in the etherpad.16:04
jungleboyjAnyone have other topics to propose?16:04
smcginnisNothing from me.16:05
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jungleboyjAny concerns with submitting the topics we have in there?16:06
jgriffithjungleboyj: I added MA topic16:06
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xyangjungleboyj: how much time do we have for the forum?16:06
jungleboyjjgriffith:  Ah, good.  Not a bad idea to continue that discussion.16:06
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jgriffithjungleboyj: I'd also like to consider Standalone/Container use Cinder if somebody other than just myself is interested in int16:07
jungleboyjxyang:  I think each one is like 40 minutes of time to talk.16:07
smcginnisjgriffith: That would be good if we can get some user-side input on that and if anything more is needed.16:07
jungleboyjjgriffith:  Yeah.16:07
e0nejgriffith: +1 for standalone cinder :)16:07
jgriffithsmcginnis: multi-attach16:07
jungleboyjjgriffith:  I know I am interested in that.16:07
smcginnisjgriffith: Yeah, I was just clarifying my comment was meant about the MA topic.16:07
jungleboyjjgriffith:  What are you doing?16:08
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jgriffithjungleboyj: I dunno :)16:08
smcginnisPoor cinder, all alone.16:08
jungleboyjeharney:  I am wondering if the tempest topic is appropriate for the forum.16:08
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Standing proud!16:08
e0nesmcginnis: :)16:08
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  It doesn't need to be lonely.16:08
jgriffithjungleboyj: you mean don't update the ehterpad?16:08
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jungleboyjjgriffith:  Now, I was watching you do it and couldn't figure out what you were trying to do?16:09
smcginniseharney: We should connect with the qa team about the tempest topic.16:09
tbarron+1 for standalone cinder, we have a similar suggestion for manila16:10
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  So, worth submitting.16:10
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e0netbarro: do you want to  steal this feature into manila?16:11
e0netbarron: ^16:11
e0nefeature lifecycle: nova => cinder => manile => ?16:12
jungleboyje0ne:   Yep.16:12
smcginnisAnd then horizon. :O16:12
tbarrone0ne: I know you are pulling my leg but manila can also run no-auth, run as dynamic external storage provider for k8s, be a CSI driver, etc.16:12
e0neI need standalone horizon!16:12
jungleboyjtbarron:  THat is good.16:13
jgriffithe0ne: LOL16:13
xyangtbarron: have you got someone to work on manila stand alone?16:13
jungleboyjSo, moving on.  I am going to leave the etherpad open one more week and pester you all again next week.  Then will submit the topics.16:14
tbarronxyang: thanks for signing up!16:14
* jungleboyj nominates xyang 16:14
tommylikehuxyang :)16:14
xyangtbarron: I"m not here!:)16:15
jungleboyjOther announcement is that os-brick 2.4.0 has been released.16:15
jungleboyjI had proposed one for stable/queens that was 2.3.1 .  Not sure that that one has merged yet.16:16
jungleboyjYep, looks like it did.16:16
jungleboyj#topic Rocky Priorities Review16:17
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smcginnisYep, 2.3.1 went through this morning.16:17
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Thank you!16:17
jungleboyjSo, haven't had a lot of action in here.16:18
jungleboyjtommylikehu:  I saw a patch for Mark volume bekend or pool sold out but haven't seen a spec yet.16:18
e0neI started work on scheduler HA spec16:18
tommylikehujungleboyj:  yeah16:18
jungleboyjIs that forthcoming?16:18
jungleboyjOh, the Generic backup went in?16:19
e0neI want to talk with geguileo first. I like an idea with etcd for it16:19
tommylikehue0ne:  great!16:19
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jungleboyje0ne:  Is that the update to the backup implementation spec that went in?16:20
e0nejungleboyj: no, here is a draft
e0neI'm using as a reference16:21
e0neeharney, smcginnis: thanks for the feedback on spec!16:21
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jungleboyje0ne:  Ok.  Cool.  I will take a look at that one too.16:22
jungleboyjWho was going to be doing the Volume replication for in-use volumes spec?16:22
jgriffithjungleboyj: the whosit whatsit?16:23
* jgriffith really should've been in Ireland16:23
* smcginnis is confused too16:23
* jungleboyj agrees that jgriffith should have been there. 16:24
jungleboyjWas too quiet without you.16:24
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jungleboyjI thought that there was supposed to be a spec being created for Replicating in-use volumes.16:24
e0nejgriffith: are you missing snow? :)16:24
jgriffithe0ne: haha16:25
jgriffithIsn't this the "sold out" spec?
smcginnisHere's a pic from the PTG :
e0nesmcginnis: :)16:25
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smcginnisjgriffith: You're not too far from where that supposedly took place either.16:26
jgriffithjungleboyj: I don't understand that16:26
jgriffiththe volume-replication one16:26
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jgriffithIs that my request regarding failover?16:27
smcginnisIs that migration via replication?16:27
jgriffithit kinda looks like it, but not very clear16:27
jungleboyjjgriffith:  Ah, that is the spec.  Thank you.16:27
jgriffithReally need to clarify that :)16:27
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jgriffith"update in-use volumes after replication failover"16:28
jungleboyjI am not remembering what that is either.16:29
smcginnisThere's nothing about it on the notes etherpad from then either.16:29
jungleboyjThere isn't?16:29
jgriffithjungleboyj: I'm pretty sure the replication one is what I mentioned, given that I requested it16:29
smcginnis(jgriffith): Volume replication for in-use volumes16:29
smcginnisLine 100 -
jgriffithand I mentioned it to Matt16:30
jungleboyjjgriffith:  Ah, that is right.  This was one you proposed.16:30
jungleboyjThat work item and the one below don't have owners.16:30
smcginnisSo just very poor naming on that title16:30
jgriffithyeah.. my bad16:31
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smcginnisIf we don't have a nova spec up already for this, it ain't happening in Rocky.16:32
jungleboyjI can update the titles so that is less confusing.16:32
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Swansonsmcginnis, It took 10 minutes to remember what it was. Ain't happening for Rocky.16:33
smcginnisWe'll need to get ildikov to help, of course. :)16:33
jgriffithsmcginnis: of course not, I mean.. we just released Q, how could we possibly work on something in R16:33
jungleboyj:-)  Ok, so it sounds like this is one to follow up on in the next Cross Project meeting with ildikov16:33
Swansonjgriffith, involves nova. So not rocky, schadenfreude or tuppence. (Guessing at names.)16:34
jungleboyjI won't belabor that stuff further.16:35
jgriffithmabye when we get back around to A?16:35
jungleboyjI don't think geguileo  is here today.16:35
jungleboyjPaging geguileo16:35
smcginnisI do think our replication support does need more work.16:35
Swansonjgriffith, Aardvark16:35
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  :-)16:35
smcginnisBoth as far as drivers supporting it, and as far as its general usefulness.16:35
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e0nejungleboyj:AFAIR, geguileo is on vacation this week16:36
jungleboyje0ne:  Ok, we will skip the HA update then.16:36
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* jungleboyj thinks he is being avoided. ;-)16:36
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Swansonsmcginnis, you know what I think v3 replication should be.16:36
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jungleboyjOh God.16:36
* jungleboyj is going to ban Swanson 16:37
Swansonjungleboyj, I am strong with the dark side today.16:37
e0nejungleboyj: is it because we need to implement microversion 3.1 for replication?16:37
jungleboyjYeah, we are all kind-of Saucey today.16:37
jgriffithsmcginnis: so for the record, I don't disagree with you; it was a first pass and it's just kida sate there16:37
jungleboyj#topic Extending shows no error when scheduler rejects16:39
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jungleboyjlseki:  All yours16:39
lsekiif you have a volume, and try to extend it w/ openstack cli16:39
lsekito a size exceeding the available space on backend16:40
lsekithere will be a error line on c-sch16:40
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lsekibut nothing will happen besides that16:40
e0nelooks like we need 'user message' for this case16:40
jungleboyje0ne:  Yeah.16:40
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lsekithe volume keeps its original size, and continue w/ 'available' status16:40
lsekimay I report a bug about this?16:40
e0nelseki: yes, please16:41
smcginnisIt's an async call, so you won't get an error back.16:41
jungleboyje0ne:  ++16:41
smcginnisBut if we do not have a user message for that failure, we should add that.16:41
smcginnisDo we know there is not one?16:41
e0nesmcginnis: I didn't find in the code anything16:42
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  If it is failing at the scheduler why can't we do a message?16:42
gansosmcginnis: I haven't checked out user messages lately, but does this work on CLI?16:42
jgriffithganso: +116:42
smcginnisjungleboyj: The API accepted the request.16:42
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Oh ....16:42
smcginnisganso: I thought we had added getting those from the CLI.16:42
jgriffithbut we haven't disconnected yet, no?16:42
e0nescheduler code:
jgriffithI mean returned... we're still on the *right* side of the boundary16:43
e0newe've got separate API for user messages16:43
e0neasync API errors should be available in messages API16:44
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smcginnisIf we don't have a way to get that via the CLI, we should add that.16:45
smcginnisThat was definitely a miss in the implementation if so.16:45
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  I think we have a way to get that message.  The question is if it got to openstack cli16:46
smcginnisThat one is probably less likely.16:48
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gansoso a bug shouldn't be opened if there is a user message for this, right?16:48
jungleboyjThe message-list command?16:48
lsekiSo I'll verify if there's a way to get user messages from openstack cli16:49
lsekiIf there isn't, I'll report a bug16:49
jungleboyjlseki:  Yes, that would be an issue.16:49
smcginnisIf not, that would be a bug (or story?) for openstacksdk.16:49
smcginnisIf we do not have a user message in the extend code, then that's one for cinder.16:50
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smcginnisLooks like w send out a notification, but do not set an error.16:51
smcginnisAt least in the scheduler.16:51
e0nesmcginnis: +116:51
gansosmcginnis: hmm aren't we still implementing new functionality in the cinderclient to port over to the openstack client later?16:51
jungleboyjganso:  Right.  We haven't stopped implementing features in cinderclient.16:52
gansojungleboyj: so if it isn't in cinderclient, it is a bug16:52
jungleboyjganso:  If what isn't?16:53
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gansojungleboyj: this user-messages API16:53
jungleboyjganso:  Yes.16:53
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jungleboyjSo, any more comments on that one at this point in time?16:55
jungleboyjlseki:  Are you going to check those two items and open bugs if appropriate?16:55
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lsekijungleboy: yes I will16:55
jungleboyjlseki:  Excellent.  Thank you.16:55
smcginnis5 minute warning.16:56
lsekijungleboyj: thanks :)16:56
smcginnisErr, 4 minute warning.16:56
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jungleboyj#action lseki  to investigate if there is a user message for an extension failure.  Also to investigate user message API support in openstack client and cinderclient16:56
jungleboyj#topic open discussion16:57
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tbarronis cinder making any stable/branch policy changes in light of ?16:57
* jungleboyj looks at shadow ptl smcginnis 16:58
tbarronmaybe a longer discussion ...16:58
jungleboyjtbarron:  Yes, I think that is.  I can put it on the Agenda for next week.  I need to read that spec and then I think it would be good for us to make a collective discussion.16:59
jungleboyjI have not made any changes yet, but we need to decide what we want to do.16:59
tbarronjungleboyj: interested in your collective thinking on this17:00
jungleboyjtbarron:  Agreed.17:00
jungleboyjOk, I will put it on the agenda for next week.17:00
jungleboyjAs it is time to wrap up for today.17:00
jungleboyjThank you all for coming today and for working on Cinder.17:00
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SotKanyone around for the storyboard meeting?19:00
* fungi is around19:00
SotK#startmeeting storyboard19:01
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SotK#link Agenda19:01
diablo_rojoSotK, fungi around for meeting?19:01
fungidiablo_rojo: is suffering from lag, from the looks of things19:02
diablo_rojoOh weird.19:02
diablo_rojoHere now19:02
SotK#topic Announcements19:02
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diablo_rojomy network connection was freaking out19:02
fungii figured19:02
SotKIronic migrated!19:03
diablo_rojo\o/ \o/ \o/19:03
diablo_rojo#thanks fungi for working the weekend on migrating Ironic to StoryBoard!19:03
SotKindeed, thank you!19:04
fungitripleo-ui will happen as soon as we get the remaining topic:4-byte changes merged19:04
fungias can openstackclient, sounds like?19:04
fungi(was that one of the other oens which had expressed interest but was waiting for 4-byte support?)19:04
fungior maybe that was openstacksdk19:05
diablo_rojoAnd several others, though I will retest once that patch is merged19:05
diablo_rojoopenstacksdk wants to go and migrated without issue19:05
SotKI will provide some reviews after the meeting19:05
diablo_rojoosc was held up by the utf8mb4 suport19:05
funginote there is a corresponding configuration change you need (in the pending topic:4-byte change for project:openstack-infra/puppet-storyboard)19:06
fungithe dburi needs to include the charset so pymysql connects correctly19:06
diablo_rojoMakes sense19:06
fungithat may also warrant a documentation patch; i'll look into that today19:07
* fungi stops derailing the announcements19:07
SotKit probably needs that, or at least a patch to the sample config file in openstack-infra/storyboard19:07
SotKthanks for your work on this stuff too fungi :)19:08
SotKthe other announcement is that Forum submissions are open19:08
SotKthrough to some point in April19:08
diablo_rojoDId we want to submit something?19:09
SotKcould be interesting but idk if I'll be there19:09
diablo_rojoDon't really need operator feedback persay, but might be good to keep momentum going19:09
fungimight make sense to do another feedback session now that we've got more (and larger) teams using it in the openstack community19:09
diablo_rojofungi, yeah feedback from users rather than operators I suppose19:09
SotKyeah, I expect a feedback session would be useful19:09
diablo_rojoSotK, maybe we can like google hangout you in?19:10
diablo_rojoSotK, don't suppose you applied for TSP did you?19:10
fungiright, feedback from devs using it, but also there may now be some users of their software who have started using it to report bugs19:10
diablo_rojoAh good point.19:10
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SotKdiablo_rojo: I did not19:10
diablo_rojoSounds like I have a 4th forum topic I need to write a proposal for lol19:10
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diablo_rojoSotK, hrm, we could really use you there.19:11
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fungibut totally understand if you have something more fun to do in may than travel to the far side of north america19:11
diablo_rojoAlso true19:11
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fungiit's a longer flight for you than for diablo_rojo ;)19:12
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SotKtravelling to north america is still novel enough to be exciting, I will see how plausible it is for me to attend but I can't promise anything19:13
diablo_rojoVery true :) Contemplating train cause that would befun.19:13
diablo_rojoSotK, that works :)19:13
SotKotherwise google hangout or similar would be ok by me unless the timeslot was really late or something19:13
fungidiablo_rojo: last time we did vancouver i flew into portland and hopped on a train with some stackers from the bay area, then we picked up some more in seattle19:14
diablo_rojoparty train!19:14
fungithe whole train car was stackhacking19:14
diablo_rojoSotK, I should be able to influence when the forum session takes place to fit your schedule if need be19:15
diablo_rojofungi, that sounds awesome19:15
SotKsounds good19:15
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SotKthat is it for announcements for now, hopefully next week there are more!19:16
SotK#topic Migration Updates19:16
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diablo_rojoI spent the last day and a half organizing the chaos that is the story tracking the migration into a pretty board.19:17
diablo_rojoI added all the missing projects (I think- poke me if there is one you don't see)19:17
diablo_rojo#link!/board/45 Pretty Board19:17
diablo_rojo#link!/story/2000876 Ugly Story19:18
fungivery nice19:18
SotKthat board is nice19:19
diablo_rojoI need to go back and add details into the tasks that are sitting on the 'Tested, Contacted PTL' worklist19:19
diablo_rojoSaying where we are at- if anything is waiting on something, waiting for feedback, etc19:20
diablo_rojoI figured it was time to make better use of storyboard lol- I was tracking the info in like 3 different places and it was utter chaos19:21
diablo_rojoThis is soooo much nicer.19:21
diablo_rojoPlease give it a look and make sure I have all the projects though.19:21
diablo_rojoAnd that I actually have all the migrated ones in the last worklist.19:22
diablo_rojoShould be Sahara, Ironic, Cloudkitty, Octavia, Monasca...19:22
diablo_rojofungi, you did releases the other week too right?19:22
fungiyep, release team has migrated19:23
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fungithe only bugs they had on lp were for the openstack/reno project, but i imported them without problem19:23
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diablo_rojoOkay cool.19:23
dhellmannthe requirements team mentioned they're interested in migrating19:24
dhellmanneither dirk or prometheanfire would be good contacts there19:24
diablo_rojodhellmann, nice I can make reqs the next test migration I run19:24
diablo_rojoI will reach out to them with the results :)19:24
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diablo_rojomordred, OpenStackSDK is still ready to go this Friday?19:26
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diablo_rojoMaybe if we get all the utf8mb4 stuff in by Friday we can do tripleO, OpenStackSDK & OSC?19:26
* diablo_rojo sets a potentially lofty goal19:27
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fungiwell, the two outstanding changes are pretty tiny and already have a +2 each19:28
fungiand the coming documentation/sample config change will be pretty minor as well19:28
diablo_rojoWould be pretty sweet if we have three projects we can say migrated next week this time :)19:29
fungiso approval in the next two days sounds doable19:29
SotKI think that feels doable assuming no further surprises19:30
diablo_rojoCoolio. I thiink I've reviewed everything but I am happy to poke others to do so as well :)19:30
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SotKany other migration updates?19:31
diablo_rojoNope. I don't think so.19:32
SotK#topic In Progress Work19:32
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SotKI think we've already covered the item on the agenda here, the utf8mb4 patches19:33
SotKI don't think I've done anything, it only seems 5 minutes since last Wednesday to me :/19:33
fungieh, turns out the additional db migration itself was fairly simple19:34
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diablo_rojoThats okay SotK19:34
diablo_rojoIts nice when the solution is a simple one :)19:34
fungithough for whatever reason when we test apply migrations in our ci jobs, we don't catch that we have a couple columns too wide for unique under utf8mb4 with mysql 2.5/2.619:35
fungipossible we're testing against mysql 2.7+ now19:35
fungifix for that is up for review19:35
fungi For utf8mb4 shorten and users.email19:35
fungi#link For utf8mb4 shorten and users.email19:35
fungiworks better if i remember to use the link command19:35
fungithe corresponding config change we ended up needing is included in the corresponding puppet-storyboard change19:36
fungi#link Use utf8mb4 for MySQL database charset19:36
diablo_rojoOnce those get in I think there will be a small flood of projects able to migrate.19:37
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fungias noted earlier, i'll get a documentation change pushed up to correct the sample config too19:37
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* SotK opens them in tabs for later19:38
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SotKanything else in progress?19:40
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diablo_rojoI saw fatema__ struggling with figuring out why her patch was failing19:40
diablo_rojohadn't looked at it yet19:40
diablo_rojoLooks like py35 timed out again19:40
diablo_rojopy27 straight up failed19:40
* SotK will take a look at that later too19:41
fungiwe may simply need to increase the timeout for py35 jobs19:42
diablo_rojoI have like two small webclient changes- the private label description and an updated description on the advanced search19:43
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diablo_rojofungi, I think that would be a good idea- it seems to time out like...70% of the time19:43
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SotKoh yeah, I said I would look at those last week :/19:44
SotKI will say it again this week and hopefully stick to it19:44
fungii looked at a few timed-out runs and there wasn't any obvious pause, things just seemed to generally take a while19:44
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diablo_rojohow do we up the time? (having never done anything with zuul before idk where to start)19:45
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diablo_rojoHappy to take that on though with a little direction.19:45
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fungii don't know right off the top of my head (pretty sure it's just a couple lines of configuration) but can dig up some examples19:47
diablo_rojoAn example would be perfect.19:47
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SotKanything else or shall we talk about blocking migration stories?19:49
diablo_rojoI think we can move on19:49
SotK#topic Blocking Migration Stories19:50
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* diablo_rojo opens tab19:50
diablo_rojowoah, this is taking a long time to load19:50
SotKyeah, we should probably do something about that19:51
diablo_rojoOkay- all good now just took a while19:51
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mordreddiablo_rojo: yup!19:51
SotKyeah, I suspect its the same issue noticed over the weekend with zuulv319:52
diablo_rojomordred, awesome :)19:52
SotKanyway, there are some stories there in various states, some have things waiting for review I think, and most of the others are things with small fixes19:53
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diablo_rojoI just wanted to add this as a standing item so that we are more aware of the things people see as barriers to migration.19:54
fungimy suspicion is that it's one of: we have some very expensive query going on there which has been impacted by the recent import of lots and lots of new stories, or something has happened to impact performance of the trove instance hosting the database19:54
fungi(on the recent performance hit)19:54
SotKdiablo_rojo: that's probably a good idea, hopefully there start to be more "merged" stories on there :)19:55
SotKthat matches my suspicion, it seems to be worst when filtering by tag which makes me more suspicious of the first possibility19:56
diablo_rojofatema__ has volunteered to do the bot I think?19:56
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diablo_rojoSotK, can confirm- slower when tags than searching users19:57
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diablo_rojoAnd just searching by a keyword too19:57
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SotKI can try to find time to run some tests locally to see if its a problem on our end before it gets much worse19:59
fungii'll get a quick row count on the tags table19:59
SotKoh, we are out of time20:00
fungiwe have 510 rows in the storytags table on storyboard.o.o now20:00
SotKto #storyboard!20:00
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fungithanks SotK!20:00
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SotKthanks all!20:00
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notmynameswift meeting time21:00
notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 28 21:00:26 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)"21:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:00
notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
rledisezhi o/21:00
notmynameshould be mostly updates to ongoing stuff this week21:01
notmynamenot sure where everyone else is21:02
notmynamebut I think we can get started anyway21:02
notmyname#topic versioned writes and quoted names21:02
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1755554 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Percent signs in object names cause trouble for versioned_writes" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kota Tsuyuzaki (tsuyuzaki-kota)21:02
notmynamethat's a bug I menetioned in the last few meetings21:02
notmynameand kota_ has a patch!
patchbotpatch 555245 - swift - Fix versioned writes error with url-encoded object...21:03
notmynamethanks kota_21:03
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notmynamenow it's simply a matter of reviews21:03
* kota_ is waiting it gets reviewed.21:03
notmynamespeaking of patches that need reviews...21:03
notmyname#topic losf patches21:03
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notmyname need reviews21:04
patchbotpatch 447129 - swift - Configure diskfile per storage policy21:04
patchbotpatch 548034 - swift - Add optional parameters to common/utils fallocate()21:04
notmynamebut landed!21:04
patchbotpatch 548589 - swift - Change object_audit_location_generator() to yield ... (MERGED)21:04
notmyname#topic container sharding status21:04
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notmynamelast week I'd shared a proposed timeline for getting sharding landed21:04
notmynamelisted on
notmynameI'm not changing what's writted down (yet), but of course as soon as I'd told everyone that, tim got asked to work on something else for a little bit21:05
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notmynameI expect that will make sharding a little later than we expect21:05
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notmynameacoles is in san francsico this week, so there's good conversatiosn around that21:06
kota_i see21:06
kota_sounds great21:06
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notmynamecurrent work on the feature/deep branch is looking at recon stats so we can report progress and making sure it's possible to manually start a sharding process via CLI tools21:07
notmynamekota_: yeah, that's why i wanted to say that before we got to s3api schedules, because you were worried about conflicts ;-)21:07
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notmyname#topic s3api status21:07
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kota_notmyname: ;)21:07
notmynameon the meeting agenda, kota_ says he expects it to be ready to merge in 1 or 2 weeks21:08
notmynamewhich sounds great!21:08
notmynamethank you for the work on that21:08
notmyname#topic priority review status21:08
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kota_i think I needs 1 or 2 more patches except outstandings but they should not be so big.21:09
notmynamewhich gets us to the priority review page in general21:09
notmynamekota_: that's good21:09
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kota_and then, i think they will be able to land at the feature branch soon.21:09
mattoliverauNice work kota_21:09
notmynameaside from the stuff I've already mentioned in here today, we've got patch 427911 and p 53259521:10
patchbot - swift - Replace MIME with PUT+POST for EC and Encryption21:10
patchbot - swift - Use X-Timestamp when checking object expiration21:10
kota_i'll update priority reviews for s3api21:10
notmynamekota_: good. ping me when you do, and we'll figure out how to do the merge itself21:10
timburkeoh! i should go propose a (minor) breaking change to feature/s3api based on the irc message this morning...21:10
notmynameI think the s3api merge will be direct from the current feature branch21:10
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kota_and thanks notmyname, mattoliverau for your review in the docs patch.21:10
notmynametimburke: code import for now. small scope == we can acutally get it done. baby steps. bigger fish to fry, and all that21:11
timburkenotmyname: it *is* tiny and it smooths over a rough point21:11
timburke(plus it gets rid of a config option)21:11
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notmynametimburke: I have a resounding "meh" to that21:13
kota_timburke: less config would be nice :D21:13
notmynamesure, less configs are wonderful21:13
notmyname#topic open discussion21:13
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notmynameoh, there was a survey about the future of the PTG that you probably got in your email21:14
notmynameplease take a look at it21:14
notmynameshouldn't take you more than a few minutes to fill out21:14
notmynameanything else from anyone this week?21:15
notmynameoh! m_kazuhiro I had a question for or from you. let me see if I can find it21:15
mattoliverauI'll try and take a look at kota_s bug patch, but I only have a short day today and then on a 4 day weekend so might not happen until next week21:16
notmynamem_kazuhiro: ah. there it is. I was wondering if you could respond on patch 532595 and say if your -1 still stands or not21:16
patchbot - swift - Use X-Timestamp when checking object expiration21:16
mattoliverauAnd going camping so no laptop.. which will feel weird :p21:16
kota_mattoliverau: enjoy21:16
notmynamemattoliverau: thanks21:16
notmynamemattoliverau: don't let the drop bears take you21:17
timburke would be nice to have; it allows swift3/s3api to override the notion of etag for an SLO (see also:
patchbotpatch 556683 - swift - Respect X-Backend-Etag-Is-At headers from left of SLO21:17
patchbotpatch 302475 - swift3 - Include '-' in multipart ETags21:17
notmynamekota_: and everyone else: the swift3 patches that timburke mentions are some things that we (swiftstack) will want to integrate into feature/s3api after it lands. we're carrying some unmerged patches for swift3 right now, and nobody likes that21:18
m_kazuhironotmyname: ok. I will check the patch today again. And I reply my current opinion.21:18
notmynamem_kazuhiro: thank you21:18
notmynameanything else from anyone?21:19
notmynameall right,then. let's call it done21:20
notmynamethanks for all your work on swift21:20
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