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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 02:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Mar 30 02:31:47 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:31 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 02:31 |
| ekcs | hi all. topics here as usual. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 02:32 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: hi | 02:32 |
| ekcs | feel free to add/comment = ) | 02:32 |
| ekcs | hi ramineni_ ! | 02:32 |
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| ekcs | ok let’s get started then. | 02:36 |
| ekcs | #topic rocky priority follow-up | 02:37 |
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| ekcs | here’s the rocky planning etherpad. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-rocky-brainstorm | 02:37 |
| ekcs | I did some follow up research on the TODO items. | 02:37 |
| ekcs | anything we want to discuss more? | 02:37 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs:regarding error logging | 02:38 |
| ekcs | yup | 02:38 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: what do you intend to do? change it to info? | 02:38 |
| ramineni_ | and where? | 02:38 |
| ramineni_ | can u show me example, where you want to change | 02:39 |
| ekcs | ok | 02:39 |
| ekcs | There are many examples, but here’s a simple one: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/congress/tree/congress/api/datasource_model.py#n65 | 02:42 |
| ekcs | I’m not sure exactly what to do with it, just that ERROR appears to be inappropriate. | 02:42 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: but needs to be notifed to operator , that the name he entered is wrong , and need to change it or something | 02:43 |
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| ramineni_ | if its info , it is more like success case | 02:43 |
| ramineni_ | Error - Any error which is fatal to the operation, but not the service or application (can't open a required file, missing data, etc.). These errors will force user (administrator, or direct user) intervention. These are usually reserved (in my apps) for incorrect connection strings, missing services, etc. | 02:44 |
| ramineni_ | ref from : https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2031163/when-to-use-the-different-log-levels | 02:44 |
| ekcs | ok I think we have some confusion because we’re thinking about different classes of operators. | 02:45 |
| ekcs | there are the operators who maintain the openstack infrastructure and run the serivces (nova, neutron, congress, etc.) | 02:45 |
| ekcs | let’s call those operators. | 02:46 |
| ramineni_ | yes | 02:46 |
| ekcs | and then there are operators who interact with the services through API but don’t manage the the hosts the services are on and are not responsible for the healthy running of the services. let’s call these admins | 02:47 |
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| ekcs | my understanding is that the LOG is typically used by the deployer/operator who manage the unix servers running the services, not by the admins who interact with the service over API. | 02:48 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: hmm, not sure | 02:49 |
| ekcs | so when an admin uses API to get data source info, say the admin uses the wrong data source name, then the feedback is HTTP error returned or CLI message. | 02:50 |
| ekcs | and there’s no need to put ERROR in LOG, which is for something the deployer/operator needs to pay attention to. | 02:50 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: what if someone uses API through some other applcation , not direct or something, that doesnt need logs | 02:51 |
| ekcs | same thing with any automated agent making API call to congress, every request will have HTTP code returned so any failure due to user error will be noted. | 02:51 |
| ramineni_ | ? | 02:51 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: not sure Eric, info level logging doesnt sound right to me as well | 02:52 |
| ekcs | whoever uses API will need to check the return code. that’s standard practice right? We certainly can’t expect a typical API user to have access to logs | 02:52 |
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| ekcs | LOGS are either files or journals on the unix server accessible typically only by superusers on the unix server. | 02:53 |
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| ekcs | I don’t know if info is the right one either. all I tihnk I know is error is not the right one. | 02:53 |
| ekcs | maybe audit-level can be used. | 02:54 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: ok | 02:54 |
| ekcs | does it make sense to you error isn’t right? | 02:54 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: hmm , not sure actually , if you are sure, not used by admins .. then should be fine i guess | 02:57 |
| ekcs | got it. | 02:57 |
| ekcs | do you have any contact with operators (even if only for test deployments) who can give opinion on what should go in LOG and at what levels? | 02:58 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: ill check and let you know | 02:59 |
| ekcs | ok thanks! | 03:00 |
| ekcs | should we table this discussion for now then? | 03:00 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: yes | 03:00 |
| ekcs | ok let’s move on then if nothing else on those TODO follow ups? | 03:01 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: i have gone through your comments , so internal URL not useful and direct invoke of api we cn try right | 03:02 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: if i got it right | 03:02 |
| ekcs | right from what I could gather, publicURL is standard and should always be available. | 03:03 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: got it | 03:04 |
| ekcs | there may still be cases when people prefer to use internalURL, | 03:04 |
| ekcs | but seems to be much less important if it’s a preference rather than a must. | 03:04 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: ok | 03:06 |
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| ekcs | ok then. | 03:07 |
| ekcs | #topic updated backlog | 03:07 |
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| ekcs | I have updated the backlog here based on discussions. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-task-priority | 03:08 |
| ekcs | anything we want to discuss? | 03:08 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: this also , you are working on it right , monasca minimal tempest test | 03:08 |
| ramineni_ | or need some help | 03:08 |
| ekcs | priorities are definitely subjective and we can move up or down. | 03:08 |
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| ekcs | Yea I plan to do it. I didn’t put my name on it yet just in case someone else shows up before I get to it and wants to do it. | 03:09 |
| ekcs | because it should be a simple task. | 03:10 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: ok | 03:10 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: regarding this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557147/ | 03:10 |
| ramineni_ | i didnt get your comment | 03:10 |
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| ekcs | So I followed the link on the goal page down to here: https://docs.openstack.org/oslo.config/latest/reference/mutable.html#making-options-mutable-safe | 03:11 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: we want to make any other congress cnfig options mutable also | 03:11 |
| ramineni_ | ? | 03:12 |
| ekcs | I don’t think we need to. | 03:12 |
| ekcs | All I was saying is that from the deployer perspective it’s a bit complex because they don’t know which options are mutable and which are not. | 03:12 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: may be documentation and help on config options should capture that | 03:13 |
| ramineni_ | ? | 03:13 |
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| ekcs | yea that’d be fine. like i said in comment i didn’t think it needs to stop the patch. | 03:13 |
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| ekcs | a more serious issue is that there may be some options which if changed can actually cause congress to behave badly. | 03:14 |
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| ekcs | ideally we should tell operators not to change anything except logging level. | 03:14 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: ok | 03:15 |
| ekcs | I did a quick code search and I didn’t find any obvious problems. but it’s hard to know for user. | 03:16 |
| ekcs | for example if part of congress code stores the value on first use (therefore doesn’t get updated option value), but another part of congress gets directly from cfg (therefore gets updated value), then there may be some unexpected behavior because of the conflict. | 03:17 |
| ekcs | but I didn’t find any obvious example. | 03:17 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: how is that possible | 03:17 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: as i understand , we need to send SIGHUP signal for application to reload the config | 03:18 |
| ramineni_ | once the config is changed | 03:18 |
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| ekcs | right. but the service doesnt completely restart. | 03:21 |
| ekcs | so for example if you changed bind_host or port, ask congress to reload conf file. | 03:21 |
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| ekcs | then congress probbaly isn’t going to actually change the port it’s bound to. | 03:21 |
| ekcs | and if some part of congress code accesses cfg.CONF.bind_port to determine which port congress is bound to, then it would get the wrong value. | 03:22 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: right, they are not safely mutable config options | 03:22 |
| ramineni_ | and shouldnt be mitable | 03:22 |
| ramineni_ | mutable | 03:22 |
| ekcs | right. | 03:22 |
| ekcs | maybe I’m misunderstanding how this all works. | 03:22 |
| ramineni_ | for debug , shouldnt be an issue | 03:22 |
| ekcs | I see I misunderstood how it all worked. based on the congress patch I thought it made all the options reload. | 03:23 |
| ekcs | but it’s only the options specifically marked as mutable. | 03:23 |
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| ekcs | now I get it lol. sorry about the confusion. | 03:23 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: yes, | 03:24 |
| ekcs | haha great. glad you helped me figure it out =p | 03:24 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: :) | 03:24 |
| ekcs | I have another topic I forgot earlier. | 03:24 |
| ekcs | on the generic push driver stuff, does that interface seem to be something that would work well for monasca push too? | 03:25 |
| ekcs | from my discussion with monasca ptl it seems that way. | 03:25 |
| ekcs | but I know NEC already has a PoC | 03:26 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: existing monasca notification format is not linear | 03:26 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: internal tables are required, | 03:26 |
| ekcs | got it. | 03:26 |
| ramineni_ | but if monasca makes the format configurable , we can use it with generic push | 03:26 |
| ekcs | I see. | 03:26 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: right now, its hard coded in monasca :( | 03:27 |
| ekcs | if you get a chance later could you point me to the doc/code that shows monasca webhook notification format? | 03:27 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: sure , ill mail you | 03:27 |
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| ekcs | they said they want to do configurable format through template. but who knows when that’d get done. | 03:28 |
| ekcs | ok thank you. | 03:28 |
| ekcs | well last minute or so. anything else to discuss or bring up for later? | 03:28 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: that is the problem , that is the reason we changed in congress to support existing format | 03:28 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: no, ill mail you on the details of format , we can close now | 03:29 |
| ekcs | oh also is the PoC code available anywhere? i’d love to see how the updates are handled. and it’d be even better if I can work it into generic driver if possible. | 03:29 |
| ekcs | ok | 03:29 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: not yet , will make it soon | 03:30 |
| ekcs | ok great. | 03:30 |
| ekcs | well have a great friday and weekend. talk later then! | 03:30 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: you too.. bye :) | 03:31 |
| ekcs | bye | 03:31 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 03:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Mar 30 03:31:15 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-03-30-02.31.html | 03:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-03-30-02.31.txt | 03:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-03-30-02.31.log.html | 03:31 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Mar 30 14:00:17 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | Hi there? | 14:00 |
| amotoki | hi | 14:01 |
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| mlavalle | hey amotoki, how are you? | 14:02 |
| amotoki | this week was busy for internal things | 14:02 |
| amotoki | it is the last week of FY in Japan | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | really? all Japanese companies close FY at the end of March? | 14:03 |
| amotoki | yes, Apr is the start of a new FY | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | so this coming Monday all Japanese corporations will start FY2019? | 14:03 |
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| amotoki | it's the start of FY2018 not FY2019 | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | ahhhh! | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | I was with HP many years.... They started their FY2019 on October 1st of 2018. That is why I had the wrong idea for Japan | 14:05 |
| amotoki | we don't call it FY2018/19 as seasons of sports | 14:05 |
| amotoki | ah I see. | 14:05 |
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| amotoki | how about huawei? when it starts? | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | so haleyb and all the RH guys have a Holiday today (Good Friday) so if yamamoto doesn't show up, we won't have quorum | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | let's wait for a few minutes | 14:07 |
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| mlavalle | in the meantime, let me ask you a question. Now that haleyb is the new memeber of the drivers team, the meeting at this time is more convenient for him. Would you be ok if we stop alternating and have all the meetings in this time slot? | 14:08 |
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| amotoki | mlavalle: I am okay with this time slot. | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | ok, so if the meeting room is available, I will remove the alternate time slot | 14:10 |
| yamamoto | hi, sorry for being late | 14:10 |
| amotoki | at first I was afraid of my presence this time due to Friday night, but I have most events in other days | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | perfect! | 14:10 |
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| amotoki | yamamoto: welcome | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: your timing was perfect. You gave me the opportunity to ask amotoki about having all the meetings in this time slot | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | we were just finishing that topic when you showed up | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | so it was like you read our minds ;-) | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | welcome! | 14:12 |
| amotoki | :) | 14:12 |
| yamamoto | have you submitted irc-meetings patch? | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | no, I wanted to ask amotoki first. I will submit it after the meeting today | 14:12 |
| amotoki | Looking at the meeting calendar, this slot next week is not filled | 14:13 |
| mlavalle | there you go. I'll submit the patch in a bit and will add you to the review line so you can +1 it | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | so let's get going then | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | The RFEs to discuss today are here: | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=rfe-triaged | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | First one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1723026 | 14:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1723026 in neutron "[RFE]Support get device_ids from floatingips" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Hongbin Lu (hongbin.lu) | 14:15 |
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| mlavalle | we had a great suggestion from yamamoto last week about this RFE | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | I know hongbin sent an internal email in our mutual employer asking for feedback | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | we got some good response | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | but we are still waiting to hear from other key people | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | and I don't see any additional input in the RFE itself | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | so, let's skip for next week | 14:17 |
| amotoki | is this about a new resource /ip-address? | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | yes | 14:18 |
| amotoki | I am reading the log last week | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | any thoughts on that? | 14:18 |
| amotoki | let me comment about it later or next week | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | Great, looking forward to your input :-) | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1743480 | 14:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1743480 in neutron "[RFE] No way to differentiate beween floating IP networks and external provider networks" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | For this one, amotoki provided a comment on March 16th with guidance to the submitter | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | I complmented a few days later with what I see in my development system | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | we haven't heard back from the submitter since | 14:22 |
| amotoki | yes. | 14:22 |
| amotoki | I first would like to confirm my understanding is same as yours. | 14:22 |
| amotoki | are we in the same page? | 14:22 |
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| mlavalle | Yes, that has been my understanding | 14:22 |
| amotoki | it seems the submitter misunderstands the meaning of the attributes and he has its own interpretation of these attributes. | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | Yes | 14:23 |
| amotoki | once his misunderstanding is clarified we can update our API reference. | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | unless he can show us that with this understanding (ours), he cannot address his situation | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | but at this point, I totally agree with you amotoki | 14:25 |
| amotoki | I will post a comment as follow-up of his comment #20 (reply to my comment) after the meeting to encourage more feedback | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | so let's give him another week to respond back. If by then we don't hear from him, we will deem the RFE addressed and we can update our API ref | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: that sound good! | 14:26 |
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| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1745192 | 14:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1745192 in neutron "Can't create a vlan transparent network in mixed driver environment" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:27 |
| amotoki | theoretically what we need to check is whether all drives involved in port binding support a specific extension. | 14:31 |
| amotoki | if both ovs and cisco drivers (borrowed from the bug report) are in hierarchical binding, we need to check both, but if one of them are involved, we should allow vlan-transparent. | 14:32 |
| mlavalle | correct | 14:32 |
| yamamoto | a question is how to report a failure to users | 14:33 |
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| mlavalle | it is only in a HPB situation that both drivers have to suppprt the feature | 14:33 |
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| amotoki | what kind of errors does nova report when port binding failure happens? | 14:35 |
| amotoki | Does a corresponding VM fail to launch? | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | Yes, I think it will fail | 14:36 |
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| amotoki | yamamoto: isn't vm launch failure enough? | 14:37 |
| amotoki | when a port is created, the port is not bound so in my understanding we cannot determine the port can be bound in the current impl. | 14:38 |
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| mlavalle | right, Nova creates the ports unbound | 14:39 |
| yamamoto | i guess it's ok if a user doesn't need to dig into ml2 logs to see why it failed. | 14:39 |
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| mlavalle | and then, at some point it updates it with the binding: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/network/neutronv2/api.py#L2561 | 14:39 |
| amotoki | there might be a room to improve nova error message around port binding failure. | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | how do we address that? | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | or even confirm it | 14:41 |
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| mlavalle | I think it is unlikely this execption will bubble up raw all the way to the API: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/network/neutronv2/api.py#L2622 | 14:43 |
| amotoki | as RFE i think it is reasonable, but I am not clear yet how we can address it. do you think iti is staright-forward? | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | so I think we can easily address it in the drivers manager code | 14:44 |
| amotoki | nice | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | but yes, maybe there are error reporting considerations | 14:45 |
| amotoki | I am fine to move this forward. we seem to improve error reporting including nova API layer as we discussed | 14:46 |
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| amotoki | s/nova API layer/nova neutron API wrapper/ | 14:47 |
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| yamamoto | i'm fine to approve this. there might be a room to improve error reporting but it is somehow independent from the rfe. | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | This is the piece of code involved in the drivers manager: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/managers.py#L395 | 14:48 |
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| amotoki | i am looking at the same place :) | 14:49 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 14:49 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move it forward then | 14:50 |
| * mlavalle changing tags | 14:50 | |
| mlavalle | Left a comment about our discussion concern for error reporting to the user | 14:52 |
| amotoki | thanks, nice comment! | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1748132 | 14:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1748132 in neutron "[RFE] Can not create router gateway without external_fixed_ips" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Guoshuai Li (liguoshuai1990) | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | For this one we mostly agree to approve the submitter's original proposal two meetings ago | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | But I think amotoki mentioned we wanted to post some comments | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | is my recollection correct? | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | he wanted^^^^ | 14:55 |
| -amotoki- is refreshing my memory | 14:55 | |
| amotoki | my understanding is same | 14:56 |
| yamamoto | my memory is dim as always | 14:56 |
| amotoki | we discussed two points: saving IP as operators and how operators can enforce it to users. | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | correct | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | and I think you wanted to comment on the tension between those two view points | 14:57 |
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| amotoki | yes | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | since we are running out of time, I will let you post your comments and we'll go from there | 14:58 |
| amotoki | i will post a follow-up comment after checking the discussion. your comments would be appreciated too. | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | you ok with it? | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | will follow up myself | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for attending guys | 14:59 |
| amotoki | three TODOs from the meeting > amotoki | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | Have a great weekend and happy new fiscal year | 14:59 |
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| amotoki | :) | 14:59 |
| yamamoto | btw, i'll be away for Apr 9 week | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: ack | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Mar 30 15:00:06 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-03-30-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-03-30-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-03-30-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| amotoki | thanks | 15:01 |
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