Tuesday, 2018-04-03

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samPHi all for masakari04:00
samPCan someone start the meeting? I will be bit late today.04:00
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tpatil#startmeeting Masakari04:01
samPtpatil: thanks04:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr  3 04:01:33 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tpatil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.04:01
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tpatil#topic Bugs04:02
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tpatilAny new bugs reported in the last week?04:03
tpatil#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546492/1304:04
tpatilrkmrHonjo:  does above patch works for all supported versions?04:05
tpatilI mean openstacksdk versions04:06
rkmrHonjoAh, please wait...04:06
tpatilRecently this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555710/ is merged which adds instance_ha service support in openstacksdk04:08
tpatilSo we will need to remove the sdk code from masakariclient04:09
tpatilWho will submit patch to remove that code?04:09
rkmrHonjotpatil: We can submit that patch.04:09
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Thanks04:10
Dinesh_Bhor#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557634/04:10
rkmrHonjoAnd, this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546492/13 works with openstack-sdk containing instance-ha code.04:10
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rkmrHonjoSo we should wait to merge until releasing new version of openstack-sdk and bumping lower version of openstakc-sdk.04:11
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tpatilcan you please add the required info in the commit message?04:12
rkmrHonjook. I or Takahara will add it.04:12
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Going forward, masakari-dashboard should use openstacksdk to call masakari API instead of masakariclient, correct?04:14
rkmrHonjoProbably right. But, sorry, I don't know about the detail of masakari-dashboard.04:15
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tpatilniraj_singh: have you tried applying this openstack instance_ha patch to test masakari-dashobard?04:16
tpatil#link :https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555710/04:17
niraj_singhyes. but test cases still not wroking in my env.04:17
niraj_singhshould i need to create connection through openstacksdk now?04:18
tpatilniraj_singh: Yes, of course04:18
niraj_singhok, i will try and let you know.04:19
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tpatil#topic Discussion points04:21
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tpatilrecovery method customization04:21
tpatilNo progress yet04:21
tpatilAnsible support for Masakari04:21
tpatilniraj_singh: Any updates?04:22
niraj_singhmasakari-api and masakari-engine are installed successfully.04:22
niraj_singhAlso uploaded patch specs patch for community review. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556756/04:22
tpatilthere is -1 on the specs, anything you need from our end to address their concerns04:23
niraj_singhMy first concern about the role. can we create 2 roles for masakari and masakari-monitors?04:24
tpatilniraj_singh: why do you need two roles?04:25
niraj_singhbeacause masakari and masakari-monitors are two different project.04:26
niraj_singh And as per my reference understanding there is no role which implemented two role.04:27
niraj_singhmeans two project04:27
tpatildo you need to provide reference of the repo to download the code or release? can't it be done for two project in one role04:27
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niraj_singhyes i need to provide reference of the repo to download the code.04:28
tpatilAre you facing any problems if you want to include both these projects in one role?04:28
Dinesh_BhorThere is a significance of having two different roles I think. It depends on the "dependency" between those two projects. Need to check documentation.04:29
niraj_singhyes.. i still dont know how it works with two project in single role.04:29
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tpatilniraj_singh: if it's possible to add everything in one role, I think it's great. but if there are any constraints design-wise then adding it in two roles should also work04:31
tpatilbut I request you to figure out if it can be done with any problems in a single role04:31
niraj_singhok. i will do it today.04:31
tpatilDo you have any other concerns?04:31
tpatilor questions?04:32
niraj_singhyes about the test cases.04:32
niraj_singhThere is no tempest test case in masakari.04:32
niraj_singh So ansible member suggested me to start by testing the API responses codes.04:32
niraj_singhI gone through tacker role. They just checked is tacker api is rechable or not by checking the response code return after hitting the htts://localhost:{port}04:33
tpatilok, you can call versioning api to confirm this point04:33
tpatilbut how to confirm masakari-engine and masakari-monitors are installed properly?04:34
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niraj_singhi am working on it.04:35
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tpatilmasakari-engine comes into picture only for processing notifications04:35
niraj_singhIs there any suggession about it.04:35
tpatilniraj_singh: To test masakari-engine is process notification successfully, we need some mechanisms to shutdown nova-compute host04:36
tpatilthis way, you can confirm masakari-monitor and masakari-engine are installed properly and it's functioning as expected04:37
tpatilMoving ahead04:38
tpatilCall Force down API when host-failure will be notified04:38
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Any update?04:38
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rkmrHonjoSorry, nothing.04:39
tpatil#topic Masakari Project mascot04:40
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tpatilI haven't heard anything from Sampath yet about the decision on mascot04:40
tpatilLet's wait for Sampath reply04:41
tpatil#topic Masakari Rocky Work Items04:42
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tpatilRun masakari api service using uwsgi04:42
tpatilMost of the projects uses uwsgi, so we should also do the same04:43
tpatilCan this be done without specs?04:43
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tpatilI don't think it requires specs. If no one has any objection, then I will propose code changes directly04:45
tpatilIs any of the items in the Rocky etherpad not discussed here?04:46
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tpatil#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-rocky-work-items04:47
tpatilMany of the items were discussed two weeks back04:47
tpatilOk, if you want to discuss any new features you are planning for Rocky, please bring it on in the next week meeting04:49
tpatilwe have 10 more mins remaining04:50
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tpatilAny questions?04:50
Dinesh_BhorNothing from my side.04:51
tpatilLet's end this meeting. Thank all for participation04:52
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gongysh#startmeeting tacker08:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
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gongysh#topic roll call08:01
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longkb__Hi everyone08:01
gongyshlongkb__, hi08:01
longkb__hi gongysh08:01
joxyukihi team08:02
gongyshhelo,  phuoc joxyuki08:02
longkb__hi phuoc08:02
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gongysh#topic bp08:04
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gongyshphuoc, your kuryr k8s bp08:05
phuocI will revise it and upload a patch set in tacker in this week08:05
gongyshthe difference and change between pure k8s and kuryr k8s is yet to made clear.08:06
phuocI saw your comments about it08:06
phuocthanks a lot08:06
gongyshhaint_. the mistral action patches08:07
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gongyshyou have said you are looking into the action part, that's fine, thanks.08:08
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haint_yes, I rewrite the update status of VNF in call action: http://paste.openstack.org/show/718234/08:08
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haint_it is shorter, now, find the way to call the action part08:08
gongyshtrin is on sick leave. so we will skip the web studio bp part.08:08
haint_are we now only working on the call_vnf_policy_action(), gongysh?08:09
haint_is the other part ok?08:09
gongyshhaint_,  policy is divided into two parts: one is monitoring and another is action to trigger.08:10
gongyshmonitoring is in mistral, action part is in conductor.08:10
gongyshwe still have httping monitoring.08:11
haint_if the VNF status is DEAD, it will call the action part, is is right?08:11
gongyshfor the action, we have respawn, log, etc.08:11
hyunsikyangHello!:) i am late today.08:12
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haint_ah, still have more works.08:12
gongyshhaint_, that depends on the policy:  if the policy is: failure: respawn, that is the way.08:12
haint_I understand now.08:12
longkb__hi hyunsikyang08:13
haint_if you have time, please also help me to finish this08:13
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gongyshwe can wait. but hope you can finish it in p1 with :ping monitor and respawn action.08:14
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gongyshwe can refactor it into other monitor: such as httpping08:14
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haint_yes, i will do that first.08:15
gongyshkeiko, joxyuki , hi08:15
longkb__gongysh, please keep reviewing my cluster patch set. There are still some nits, I will revise my patch set now. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529808/08:15
gongyshdo you have any update about your stuff?08:15
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joxyukigongysh, now we are still working to write our specs, reservatin feature and affinity policy feature08:16
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gongyshjoxyuki. ok08:17
gongyshjoxyuki,  for reservation, please refer to etsi related parts.08:17
gongyshlongkb__, hi08:17
longkb__hi gongysh08:17
joxyukigongysh, yes08:18
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gongyshI have commented on cluster spec08:18
gongyshwe need to make the feature multiple vim compatible08:18
joxyukiI will submit my spec of reservation next week, please review it.08:18
gongyshjoxyuki, sure.08:19
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gongyshI think those are all for our bp parts.08:20
gongysh#topic open discussion.08:20
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gongyshanything to talk?08:21
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longkb__Oh, I missed your comment. But I think I should finish cluster feature for single VIM firstly08:21
hyunsikyangcan i re-submit the port monitoring driver ?08:21
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haint_mistral spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557376/, just modify a little bit, please review it08:21
hyunsikyanglast time, i submitted, but at that time, tacker didn't support VNFC(application)08:21
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hyunsikyangso i will update it!08:21
haint_bug 1751433, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557728/, about08:21
openstackbug 1751433 in tacker "vnffgd-create cannot load the 'description'" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1751433 - Assigned to Nguyen Hai (nguyentrihai93)08:21
haint_Fix create_vnffgd cannot get description from TOSCA file08:21
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haint_about vnffgd, there is no reason why we should have 2 description lines in the template, so the patch below fixed it.08:23
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haint_https://docs.openstack.org/tacker/latest/contributor/vnffgd_template_description.html, also in the vnffgd_template_description, it didn't show the 'description' under 'topology_template'08:25
gongyshhaint_, so you mean description should not under topology_template?08:25
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haint_yes it is08:26
haint_the patch fixed two problems: one is cannot load description, two is delete redundant 'description' line under topology_template08:26
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mardimhello guys08:27
mardimsoory I was afk08:27
gongyshThe service template example of the above VNFD is showing as follow08:27
gongyshplease look at that sample.08:28
gongyshthe above is under sample.08:28
gongyshThe service template example for VDU C is showing as follow.08:28
gongyshit is an above sample08:29
haint_yes, but it is for VDU only08:29
haint_in case of VNFFGD, i cannot see any template with description under the topology_template08:29
haint_and I don't understand why we should have two 'description' lines.08:30
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gongyshdo you have any tosca vnffgd type definition in tosca standard community to read the description is above topology_template?08:31
haint_tosca_definitions_version of VNFD is tosca_simple_yaml_1_008:32
haint_VNFFD is tosca_definitions _version: tosca_simple_profile_for_nfv_1_008:32
haint_I mentioned on the link http://docs.oasis-open.org/tosca/tosca-nfv/v1.0/csd04/tosca-nfv-v1.0-csd04.html08:33
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gongyshhaint_, I cannot see any vnffgd at that doc.08:35
haint_the final example in that link08:36
haint_below "Figure 6.1-2 example of VDU substitution mappings"08:36
haint_I will find out more and comment on the patch.08:37
gongyshhaint_, if you have tosca type definition, it will help more.08:37
haint_however, https://docs.openstack.org/tacker/latest/contributor/vnffgd_template_description.html08:38
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haint_in our docs, it doesn't show the 'description' under 'topology_template'08:38
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gongyshhaint_,  ok, we can have this change08:39
gongyshanything else, guy?08:40
longkb__gongysh, I think I should finish cluster feature for single VIM firstly08:40
longkb__your comment mentioned about multiple VNFD and multiple VIMs08:40
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gongyshlongkb__,  there were comments about lb's position08:41
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gongyshI think we should make lb to sit on a given vim.08:42
longkb__ah, OK. I will update my code to specify lb location08:42
gongyshalso,  for vnfd on each, vim,  our vnfd  is different  for different vims.08:42
gongyshFor a same feature, the vnfd on openstack vim and on k8s vim are different.08:43
gongyshso we need to fill in vnfd name on each vim to cope with multiple vim.08:44
longkb__But in this spec, I just make it to work with single VIM08:44
longkb__A multiple VNFD and VIMs could be supported in other spec08:44
gongyshlongkb__, we should think furture to avoid the big code change.08:44
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gongyshk8s spec is the one we maybe have to change the previous design.08:46
longkb__Ah, Ok. I got your point. I will update my code asap08:47
gongyshhyunsikyang, hi08:47
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gongyshhelo, anything else?08:49
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gongyshdo you guys have finished the summit ppt?08:49
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gongyshphuoc. mardim ?08:50
gongyshmardim. hi08:50
mardimgongysh, hello08:50
mardimI am at the begginign08:50
mardimI didn't have the time to do much08:50
mardimbecause I had a demo in ONS summit08:50
gongyshhave you started our fancy session slides?08:50
mardimlast week08:50
gongyshmardim, what demo at ONS summit?08:50
mardimI ve written only two slides08:51
mardimgongysh, for SFC-XCI08:51
mardimI was in LA last week08:51
mardimI had a demo there08:51
gongyshmardim, one picture worths thousands of words.08:51
gongyshwhat is XC?08:51
mardimgongysh, I will send you picture from the summit in tacker channel after the meeting08:52
gongyshok, thanks08:52
mardimgongysh, Regarding the Openstack PPT08:52
mardimgongysh, There is no deadline right ?08:52
mardimgongysh, And another thing08:52
mardimgongysh, Are we gonna do a demo ?08:53
mardimwith the slides08:53
gongyshmardim,  not yet.  but we maybe need to do some demo setup08:53
gongyshI think we will have to.08:53
mardimgongysh, ok then if there is no deadline for the PPT08:53
mardimgongysh, I will try to spinup the things regarding PPT08:53
gongyshmardim, maybe you can start writing at google doc08:53
mardimthe next weeks08:53
gongyshso we can co-work on it.08:54
mardimgongysh, a google doc about what ?08:54
phuocgongysh, hi08:54
gongyshabout the openstack ppt08:54
gongyshphuoc, hi08:54
mardimah I ve already have a google doc08:54
mardimlet me send you08:54
mardimgongysh, Did you get the URL ?08:56
gongyshgot it08:56
mardimgongysh, nice08:56
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mardimyes we can cowork it08:56
mardimthat will be nice !!08:56
gongyshphuoc, I will start a project update slides08:56
gongyshat google doc08:56
gongyshso that we can co-work on it.08:57
phuocgongysh, okie08:57
phuocI will update on that doc too08:57
gongyshanything else?08:57
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1760256 in tacker "functional tests failed in creation ns and vnf_multiple_vdus" [Undecided,New]08:57
mardimgongysh, no I am god08:57
haint_we have some fails on functional tests08:58
haint_should we fix it also08:58
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gongyshhaint_, yes. of course we should. but it does not failed definitely.08:59
gongyshso it is not easy to find a solution.08:59
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gongyshit seems it is due to the target vim's resource.08:59
haint_and 1 more thing, http://paste.openstack.org/show/718239/08:59
phuocsometime it passes I see08:59
haint_how about this error?08:59
haint_it from this patch set: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556257/09:00
gongyshok. time is up09:00
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gongyshlets back to tacker channel.09:01
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slaweq#startmeeting neutron_ci16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr  3 16:00:30 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)"16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci'16:00
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* mlavalle will have to dropout 15 minutes before the top of the hour16:01
slaweqplease give me 5 minutes because I'm stil getting back home (big traffic)16:01
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mlavalleslaweq: no problem16:02
slaweqand I'm on mobile connection now16:02
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slaweqok, we can start now16:07
slaweqsorry for being late16:07
slaweqbut I just get back home from Easter - 500km which I usually do in about 5 hours I did in almost 9 because of traffics16:08
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slaweqok, are You there? :)16:08
slaweqmlavalle, haleyb?16:08
mlavalleslaweq: hey16:08
slaweqI think that ihrachys and jlibosva are not here now16:08
mlavallethey haven't spoken up16:09
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haleybi know kuba is at a meetup16:09
slaweqok, so I think we can start16:10
slaweq#topic Actions from previous meetings16:10
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slaweqslaweq will write docs how to debug test jobs16:10
slaweqI just pushed first version of patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558537/16:10
slaweqclarkb reviewed it for me so I will address his comments16:10
slaweqbut please check it also :)16:11
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slaweqnext one is: haleyb to check router migrations issue16:11
slaweqhaleyb: any updates?16:11
haleybslaweq: i am still testing it, am on the systems now, so no update yet16:12
slaweqok, so I will do it as action for this week for You16:12
slaweq#action haleyb to check router migrations issue16:12
slaweqnext one was: ihrachys to take a look at problem with openstack-tox-py35-with-oslo-master periodic job16:13
slaweqAFAIK it is fixed with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557003/16:13
slaweqso I think all is fine here now16:13
slaweqso, next: slaweq to make fullstack job gating16:14
slaweqdone: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557218/16:14
slaweqand also grafana dashoboard: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557266/16:14
slaweqit didn’t appear there yet but as I asked infra team, all looks fine there and probably it should appear when fullstack job will fail at least once - we will see16:15
slaweqAbout details how it works we can talk later, so no moving on to next action:16:16
slaweqslaweq will check difference between neutron-tempest-multinode-full and neutron-tempest-dvr-ha-multinode-full16:16
slaweqI didn't have time to do it last week16:16
slaweqI will do it this week for sure16:16
slaweqmlavalle: what what?16:16
mlavalleI know youv'e been on vacation16:16
slaweqyes, I was16:17
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slaweqthat's why I didn't have time to do this compare of jobs :)16:17
slaweq#action slaweq will check difference between neutron-tempest-multinode-full and neutron-tempest-dvr-ha-multinode-full16:18
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slaweqdo You want to add anything/ask about something?16:18
slaweqor can we go to the next topic?16:18
mlavalleI was kidding with you16:19
mlavalleabout you not having time on your vacation to do it16:19
slaweqmlavalle: I suppose that :)16:19
slaweqok, moving on?16:20
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slaweqI assume that we can go to next topic16:22
slaweq#topic Grafana16:22
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slaweqI was checking those graphs from last 7 days today16:23
slaweqThere was one big spike on last Thursday but I think that it was some problem with infra because all jobs have same spike there.16:23
slaweqExcept that I think that it was pretty quite week.16:24
mlavalleI see fullstack trending up16:24
mlavalleand also Rally16:25
slaweqnow yes but it's still not big failure rate16:25
slaweqabout rally I have few examples of failures and I want to talk about them in few minutes16:26
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slaweqabout fullstack it could be because of me and my DNM patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558259/16:27
slaweqwhich fails on fullstack few times today :)16:27
slaweqexcept that I don't think there is any problem with it16:27
slaweqso we can change topic to fullstack now if we started about it :)16:28
slaweq#topic Fullstack16:28
mlavallethat.s the example for the doc revision you proposed, right?16:28
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slaweqmlavalle: right16:28
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slaweqand this example was failing because of timeout reached16:29
slaweqas I said, fullstack is IMO stable in both queues now (at least I didn't saw any problems with it during last week)16:29
slaweqso I checked also bugs with "fullstack" tag in launchpad16:30
slaweqThere is one bug with „fullstack” tag now (except wishlist):  https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/174440216:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1744402 in neutron "fullstack security groups test fails because ncat process don't starts" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)16:30
mlavalleok, cool16:30
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slaweqthis bug is assigned to me - I'm aware of it and I want to check logs if it will happen again16:30
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slaweqas I added some small change to test few days aga: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556155/16:31
slaweqbut I didn't saw it since this patch was merged16:31
slaweqI will keep an eye on it still :)16:31
slaweqdo You want to add something about fullstack?16:32
mlavalleno, thanks16:33
slaweq#topic Scenarios16:33
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slaweqonly problem which we have is neutron-tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode-scenario still on 100% of failures16:33
* mlavalle just reviewed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558537. Since manjeets highlighted the entire text, to sse where my comments apply, plese move cursor over comments16:34
slaweqbut that is because of problems with migration16:34
slaweqso haleyb is on that16:34
slaweqmlavalle: ok, thx for review16:34
manjeetsmlavalle, sorry for making it little hard to hard review I should have done file comment16:35
slaweqI have question about neutron-tempest-plugin-scenario-linuxbridge - should we maybe try to add it to gate queue also (like fullstack) now?16:35
slaweqwht do You think about that?16:36
mlavallehow long has it been running in check?16:36
mlavalleI mean voting in the check queue?16:37
slaweqIt's voting since 14.03: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552689/16:37
mlavallemmhhh let's hold for a week16:37
mlavalleexpecially, since last week tended to be quiet, mostly towards the end16:38
slaweqyes, right16:38
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slaweqlet's wait and see if it will be fine still16:38
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slaweqok, next topic16:39
slaweq#topic Rally16:39
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slaweqas mlavalle shows it has some failures recently16:39
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slaweqso I checked today and found 3 examples of failures from last week16:39
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slaweqall of them were because of reaching global job timeout:16:39
mlavalleok, I saw the same with one of my patches16:40
slaweqin one of those I think it was even stopped after all tests passed16:40
slaweqI think that we should check what takes most time in those jobs and maybe try to speed it up a little bit16:41
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slaweqis there anyone who wants to check that? :)16:41
mlavalleThis is the one I saw http://logs.openstack.org/84/556584/4/check/neutron-rally-neutron/8a4dc9d/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-04-03_00_22_53_42247216:42
mlavalleI don't know if I will have the bandwidth this week, but if nobody will take a look, I will try16:42
slaweqok, thx16:43
mlavallehopefully I won't be shamed by slaweq if I don't have time next week16:43
slaweqfor sure not :)16:43
mlavallewell, what if you are wearing your Hulk mask?16:43
slaweq#action mlavalle to take a look why rally jobs are taking so long time16:43
slaweqmlavalle: today I don't have it16:44
slaweqbut next week - we will see :P16:44
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slaweqok, let's move on16:45
slaweq#topic Periodic16:45
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slaweqopenstack-tox-py35-with-oslo-master looks like is fine again - thx ihrachys :)16:45
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slaweqneutron-tempest-postgres-full sometimes has 100% of failures16:45
slaweqI checked logs from last two failures and what I found is:16:46
slaweqonce it wasn’t real failure but timeout reached (after all tests passe): http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/git.openstack.org/openstack/neutron/master/neutron-tempest-postgres-full/03ca3f3/job-output.txt.gz16:46
slaweqAnother time it was failure not related to neutron: http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/git.openstack.org/openstack/neutron/master/neutron-tempest-postgres-full/d5c0933/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-03-30_07_15_04_81787916:46
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slaweqIMO if such timeouts will happen more often we should try to check it - for now it was only once so it isn't biggest problem for now16:47
slaweqwhat You think about it?16:48
mlavallelet's keep an eye on it16:48
slaweqok, so moving on to last topic16:49
slaweq#topic others16:49
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slaweqI have one more thing to ask16:49
slaweqrecently we added new job openstack-tox-lower-constraints16:49
slaweqto our queue16:49
slaweqdo we want to add it to our grafana dashboard?16:50
mlavallewas request from infra16:50
slaweqyes, I know - I just wanted to ask if we should add it to grafana :)16:50
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slaweqto have better visibility whats going on with it16:50
mlavallegood point16:50
slaweqok, so I will do it16:50
slaweq#action slaweq will add openstack-tox-lower-constraints to grafana dashboard16:51
slaweqand last thing16:51
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slaweqI checked also bugs with tag "gate-failure" on launchpad: https://tinyurl.com/y826rccx16:51
slaweqthere is quite many such bugs with "high" priority older than few months and not assigned to anybody16:52
slaweqmaybe we should check them and close those which are not a problem anymore16:52
slaweqwhat do You think?16:52
mlavalleyes, let's do it16:52
slaweqdo You want to go through them now?16:53
slaweqor should I do it later maybe?16:53
mlavalleI have to drop out now16:53
mlavalleas I said at the beginning of the meeting16:53
mlavallebut let's try to do them over the week16:53
mlavalledo you want to partner on that?16:54
slaweqso I will try to check them this week and I will ask if I will need something16:54
slaweqthx a lot :)16:54
slaweqso that's all from my side16:54
* mlavalle dropping out16:54
slaweqsorry for being so quick but I was preparing it today in car :)16:54
slaweqbye mlavalle16:55
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slaweqhaleyb: do You have anything else? or can we finish few minutes before time?16:55
haleybi am done, lunch here16:55
slaweq#action slaweq will check old gate-failure bugs16:56
slaweqok, so bon appetit haleyb :)16:56
slaweqand see You16:56
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haleybyes, see you16:56
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clarkbHello infra19:01
clarkbI've been in meetings all morning so forgive me if I start dragging or the brain wheels don't turn too quickly19:01
clarkb#startmeeting infra19:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr  3 19:01:23 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'infra'19:01
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clarkb#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:01
clarkb#topic Announcements19:02
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clarkbZuul v3 released last week after much hard work by many in this group and others19:02
clarkbso raise a glass of your favorite beverage if you haven't already done so (or do it again!)19:02
corvusthanks everyone!19:02
fungi[and there was much rejoicing]19:02
corvusi will be happy to raise a drink again if it be the wish of this group19:03
clarkbThe OpenStack Summit and the colocated OpenDev (with focus on CI/CD) events are coming up in about 6 weeks or so. Apparently laws/regulations that affect airbnb just chagned in vancouver, BC so double check if you planned to stay with them19:03
clarkb(I don't actually know how big an impact that will have but it was mentioned by someone that we should warn conference attendees to double check)19:04
clarkbanything else we want to announce before digging into the agenda proper?19:05
anteayacorvus, yes, do19:05
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fungiit's been suggested that as opendev is a more grassroots sort of event, encouraging people to pass the word along to their respective professional circles of non-summitgoers about it would be good19:06
clarkbright, we hope to see you and your friends there, I expect it will be a good time19:07
clarkb#topic Actions from last meeting19:07
corvuslots of collaborative space/time scheduled19:07
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clarkboh should I undo to keep talking opendev?19:07
fungilet's keep this bus in drive19:08
clarkb#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-03-27-19.03.txt19:08
clarkbI wasn't able to follow lsat week's meeting due to needing to have lunch on tight conf schedule but I don't see any actions after a quick grep19:08
clarkb#topic Specs Approval19:08
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clarkbThere are a couple updates to existing specs that I'd like to get in soon.19:09
anteayaI agreed to post a patch, which I did: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55797919:09
clarkband anteaya ^ has patch for survey spec19:09
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clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557772/ mark zuul v3 spec as done19:09
fungioh, yeah i should have mentioned to you that i put the "Amend top-level project hosting spec" change up for council vote19:09
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555104/ Amend minor detail on git repo hosting for top level project hosting19:10
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clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557979 implementation of survey spec19:10
fungi(by being a poor stand-in meeting chair i help ensure i won't have to do it often!)19:10
clarkbfungi: heh its fine. I was already planning on moving ahead with that. Do we feel like the zuul v3 spec being marked done needs to go through formal council vote? if so are we good with giving that until thursday afternoon pacific time?19:10
clarkbI'll likely go ahead and get the minor top level project hosting amendment in today since it was put up for council vote last week19:11
fungii'm ambivalent on whether shuffling entries around in the index file needs formal voting19:11
anteayaI have no opinion19:11
clarkbI'm hopign that the presence of the 3.0.0 tag on zuul makes that one non controverial19:11
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clarkbcorvus: ^ do you think it needs any more review than it has received?19:12
fungiit has my vote, at any rate19:12
clarkbalright then I'll work toget those approved after the meeting. And anyone interested in survey tooling should review that third change from anteaya19:13
fungionce it merges, we're down to one long-standing priority spec19:13
clarkbwhich takes us to the next agenda item19:13
clarkb#topic Priority Efforts19:13
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clarkbI've put on the agenda that now might be a good time to reevaluate current efforts and decide if any of them should be bumped up to priority effort status.19:13
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fungifor our one remaining priority effort, i finally got the 4-byte utf-8 support into production over the weekend and successfully imported stories for tripleo-ui19:14
clarkbfungi: nice19:14
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anteayafungi, congratulations19:14
fungimy next big task there is figuring out why gerrit commenting on stories broke around the time we upgraded to gerrit 2.1319:14
anteayagerrit paid attention to my new patch19:14
clarkbfungi: as the person that helped drive the 2.13 upgrade my failure to catch that means I'm happy to help debug it now. Let me know if I can be of assistance19:15
anteayait changed the status when I uploaded19:15
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anteayasorry storyboard paid attention*19:15
corvusyeah, i've noticed status tracking working19:15
fungiit probably involves me making sure pabelanger is done testing things with review-dev01 so i can try some hunches19:15
corvuswhat specifically is broken?19:15
pabelangerfungi: I have not yet, just gerrit testing19:16
fungiwhen you add a story footer in your commit message, the its-storyboard plugin for gerrit is supposed to leave a comment on the story with a url to the change19:16
corvusoh, so it's changing task status but not leaving words19:16
anteayayes, there were no words19:16
corvusfascinating failure mode19:16
fungiindeed. and i'm hoping it won't involve a foray into java19:17
corvusi'm accustomed to things breaking much more completely than that :)19:17
fungithere's a possibility it's just a side effect of changes in how we're doing commentlinks in the gerrit configuration since its plugins seem to rely on that to infer some configured behaviors19:17
clarkband those did change with 2.1319:17
fungizaro__ gave me a few suggestions to dig into there19:18
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fungianyway, we've had some projects say they want to hold off migrating to sb until that's fixed19:18
fungiand i really didn't want to monopolize the priority efforts discussion, so let's get on with discussing adding some new ones ;)19:19
clarkbsince we are about to remove one of the long standing efforts that has taken a bunch of our time I thought it may be worthwhile to decide if any other in progress efforts (or possibly new ones) should be bumped up to priority status19:19
clarkbon the wiki agenda I threw out some ideas. I don't expect we'll decide this today, but wanted people to start thinking about what is going to be important to the infra team for the next few months or so we can take it from there19:20
funginot to keep bringing up storyboard, but if people do have spare cycles and want to help hack on it, they're very welcome to do so ;)19:20
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anteayaI don't think the survey spec is a priority or will take that much effort, I care about but I don't think it should be elevated19:21
fungipresumably it's staying on the priority list at least19:21
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fungi(sb i mean)19:21
clarkbfungi: ya I don't expect we'll remove it19:21
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pabelangeragree, we still have some trusty systems we need to move to xenial that we didn't get to last virtual sprint19:21
pabelangerwould be open to having another sprint to finish that off19:21
clarkbI just wanted to spark the conversation and idea here but will probably move discussion to the infra ml so that we can get broader reach and input and decide together there19:21
fungii do agree with the things on the suggested list19:21
fungii'd _love_ for someone who isn't me to be interested in picking up the wiki work i dropped on the floor19:22
fungibecause clearly i'm not doing well at getting around to it19:22
clarkbso start thinking about it and I'll get a thread started shortly where we can hear all the great ideas19:22
fungibut i'm very happy to provide a high-bandwidth sync up of where it's gotten to for anyone who's interested19:23
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clarkbfungi: thanks!19:23
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clarkb#topic General Topics19:24
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clarkbI'm going to flip the order on these two because one is time sensitive19:24
clarkbpabelanger has spun up a new review01.openstack.org running xenial which means we now have IP addresses we can warn people about changing to in the future19:24
clarkbI think the last remaining question is the scheduling of that server migration19:25
clarkbpabelanger: have you asked the release team if R-17 works for them?19:25
pabelangerclarkb: yah, looks like kubecon EU is that week and all of the release team is going to it19:25
clarkbpabelanger: cool I guess that makes it a perfect time?19:25
pabelangeryah, I think so19:25
clarkbinfra-root does May 02, 2018 work for migrating the gerrit server?19:26
clarkbI can eb around for that myself19:26
fungisounds fine. i have high hopes it'll be a brief outage. mostly just mechanical stuff like moving the cinder volume, changing dns and stopping/starting services19:26
clarkbfungi: yup19:26
pabelangeryah, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/review01-xenial-upgrade is the steps I am expecting19:26
dmsimardIt's sufficiently early that I can suppose I'll be around19:26
pabelangerwhich was done on review01-dev19:26
clarkbpabelanger: assuming it works for you and you've got fungi and I on board and now dmsimard I think we can commit to that date19:26
fungiyeah, i'm happy to help with it19:26
pabelangerclarkb: ++19:27
pabelangerI'll start spamming the ML then with info19:27
clarkb2000UTC is the current proposed time on the therpad for the ml email19:27
clarkbwhich wfm19:27
fungi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/review01-xenial-upgrade Ubuntu Xenial move for production Gerrit19:27
ianwwfm as someone who can jump in later if required19:28
clarkbpabelanger: sounds good, thanks for putting this together. One fewer gerrit todo on the list marked off19:28
fungijust to confirm, may 2 is a wednesday19:28
mordredclarkb: may 2 wfm19:29
fungi2000z is right after the end of the storyboard meeting, so looks fine as far as my availability is concerned19:29
clarkb#agreed Upgrade review.o.o's control plane server to Xenial at 2000UTC May 2, 201819:29
ianwp.s. it might be worth looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555633 before this, so that the gerrit jobs start working again, in case a new .war or something is required19:30
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clarkbianw: ++ thanks19:30
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555633 Get the gerrit jobs working again19:30
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clarkbThe next topic is dmsimard's. Our meetbot can be abused during times of internet trolling19:31
clarkbin particular On April 1st which happened to also be Easter there was at least one webclient nick starting meetings and calling them maintenance then telling people in channel they all had to leave19:31
dmsimardIt's probably the same person that has done the few occurrences I've seen19:31
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fungito be fair we've known about this for years, and yesterday was the first time i've ever seen it happen in the wild (and consider the date)19:31
clarkbfungi: I think it has happened at least once before with this startmeeting and tell people to leave story19:32
dmsimardI didn't realize the date -- I was mostly concerned about someone potentially putting up offensive topics and stuff like that.19:32
corvuswe could revert https://review.openstack.org/505669 and ask people to opt-in allowing meetbot to set topics19:32
fungithey hit a couple dozen of our channels, and i managed to get the vast majority of those cleaned up a little over an hour later when the meetings expired for them19:32
jlvillalCan meetbot ensure they are logged in?19:33
fungier, i guess not yesterday it was sunday. anyway, april 119:33
* fungi has lost all sense of time any more19:33
clarkbcorvus: I think one of the problems with that is meetbot is also our channel logger19:34
clarkbcorvus: so even if people don't want meetings it is desireable to have logs?19:34
corvusjlvillal: i'm not sure if it supports that, but could probably be added easily19:34
corvusclarkb: that's not what that change does19:34
corvusclarkb: that only allows meetbot to set /topic19:34
jlvillalAnd also if the person who starts the meeting leaves then stop meeting.19:34
fungijlvillal: yeah i don't know if anyone's looked into checking whether their nick has identified with nickserv. we've had suggestions in the past of doing that, or relying on +v in channels, or even whitelisting specific chair nicks in advance for specific meetings. all of these come with certain drawbacks19:34
clarkbmy personal feeling on it is regardless of the bots in use people can troll public channels and generally be annoying. Addressing this in the bot itself won't change that19:35
anteayajlvillal, I've seen many times where people who chair lose connection19:35
anteayabut they want the meeting to continue19:35
fungirevoking +t for the meetbot except in channels where people want to hold meetings (and in fact they can still do that even without having it change the channel topic) seems like a low-cost workaround19:35
anteayathe project working group is one group I have seen that happen with19:35
clarkbwhich means maybe educating users and having channel local ops may be a good approach19:36
clarkb(then ops can kick the offender and they can stop the meeting)19:36
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fungiif meetbot supports allowing anyone who is a chanop to #endmeeting at any time, that also might be a nice alternative19:36
clarkbI do wonder how much this behavior is tied to being able to set the topic19:36
clarkbfungi: I'm not sure if does but it would make sense as a feature19:37
ReggetAnd you said this meetbot abuse has happened before?19:37
clarkbat least once, I think it coincided with another holiday like US thanksgiving or something19:37
fungisounds like dmsimard and clarkb have seen prior occurrences. those didn't come to my attention19:37
dmsimardI put up links in the agenda19:37
dmsimard#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2018-04-01.log.html#t2018-04-01T16:39:4919:37
dmsimard#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-operators/%23openstack-operators.2018-04-01.log.html#t2018-04-01T16:59:4819:38
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dmsimardThose are the two I've seen, there may be others. Just happened to walk on those.19:38
fungiyeah, irc vandals seem to like to pop up on weekends and popular holidays when they think channel operators (and probably server operators for the network) will be otherwise occupied19:38
ReggetYeah I saw those logs from Sunday19:38
pabelangerI've only recently started seeing it more, it is a side effect of 505669 corvus linked above?19:38
dmsimardNeed to step away to pick up kids, be back in a bit19:38
corvuspabelanger: on what other dates have you seen it?19:38
fungidmsimard: oh, those were both part of the same incident. they hit somewhere between 20-30 of our channels (i stopped counting and just cleaned them up)19:38
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pabelangercorvus: I'd have to go back into logs and see, but thought I remember doing endmeeting in some channels to clear the topic.19:39
pabelangermay have just been openstakc-meeting too19:39
corvuspabelanger: because someone vandalized it?19:40
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fungianyway, if it's an infrequent nuisance, i'm inclined to prefer keeping our tools flexible and just dealing with the result (i mean, we made it so anyone can #endmeeting after an hour anyway)19:40
pabelangercorvus: yah, some random user did startmeeting test IIRC19:40
pabelangerthen left19:40
corvuspabelanger: i'd hardly consider that vandalism :)19:40
fungithat sounds less malicious and more like someone didn't know what they were doing19:40
corvusi mean, *i've* done "#startmeeting test" :)19:40
ianwis it possible it's some sort of markov chain thing that has happened across something that works?  it's ... odd19:40
Reggetand what do you think the topic of maintenance has to do with it19:41
Reggetsince that is the name of those meetings19:41
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fungithere was a similar incident last where where someone did "#startmeeting kolla" in #openstack-dev (i think) because they thought that was how they were supposed to summon people for discussion19:41
clarkbRegget: I think that was the pretense used to say people should leave teh channel bceause it is under maintenance now19:41
fungier, similar incident last year19:41
corvusfungi: i agree19:41
clarkbI agree with fungi though. It is currently infrequent and relatively easy to address when it happens19:42
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ReggetSo how do we know it was not a maintenance person doing his work on weekends so he doesn’t interfere with meetings19:42
clarkbif we need to educate our users a bit more on why/how it happens and what they can do about it (local hcannel ops etc) then we can do that19:42
anteayaRegget, because the maintenance people are in this meeting19:42
clarkbRegget: because it was an unauth'd nick from a webclient19:42
clarkbRegget: and not a chanop19:42
anteayaRegget, and that is not how we do mantainance19:42
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fungiRegget: i'm probably overestimating what constitutes common sense with respect to irc networks, but the only people doing maintenance on the irc servers should be freenode staff and they wouldn't use people's random bots to change channel topics to signal that19:43
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ReggetI see now19:43
clarkbfungi: thee is a separte question of maintenance on the bot itself but no one should have to leave the channel for that19:43
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clarkbIn general we can educate people that yes public communications channels do get trolled occasionally. If you have questions or concerns you can ask an chanop of the channel(s) you lurk in19:45
fungiwe _do_ use bots to change channel topics so as to let people know about maintenance work we're doing on _other_ systems, but those maintenance activities wouldn't require people to leave any irc channels (to the contrary, it's where we're communicating about them)19:45
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anteayahope he comes back, he was asking good questions19:46
corvusif anyone is interested in improving our ability to respond to trolls in general, this spec needs volunteers: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/irc.html19:46
mordredfungi: perhaps we should communicate that if we use a bot to ask people to take an action, that action will be documented somewhere on an openstack.org url so someone can verify whether or not a bot message with an action is actually from us?19:46
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clarkb#link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/irc.html This spec needs volunteers which will help us be in a better position to update our IRC bots to address these issues when they happen19:47
clarkbmordred: using the status page on the wiki I guess?19:48
fungimordred: yeah, the first place which springs to mind is the infrastructure status wiki, but referring people to a wiki any random person on the 'net can edit may not be any better19:48
clarkbfungi: ya that was going to be my next concern and not wanting to suggest twitter as an official of record location either19:48
mordredyah. I was more thinking some non-wiki location - but I haven't thought through the whole thing deeply yet19:49
anteayaperhaps a link to the status page should be included in maintenance annoucments19:49
anteayaas in verify here: link19:49
clarkbanteaya: I think the problem is then a troll could just send a verify here link to anywhere19:49
clarkbif its advertised out of band its a bit more controlled19:49
clarkbin any case I think the two steps forward here are 1) improving our irc bot implementation as per corvus' spec. Volunteers needed. and 2) Better docuemntation/education for users of IRC to avoid confusion when trolls are crafty enough to maybe look legit19:50
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fungifor the specific "leave the channel" scenario, the only situations we've had where we wanted people to exit a channel are when it's being renamed/forwarded. and for that we just give them a heads up (with a link to an ml thread about it generally) and then kick the stragglers eventually19:50
clarkbI can work on drafting an email to the dev ml with info on what infra and freenode would do as far as maintenance goes and who to contact if you have questions19:51
anteayaclarkb, true19:51
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clarkbdoes that seem like a reasonable place to start?19:51
fungiwe also used to try and do that to reclaim channel founder privs, but it's usually close to impossible unless there are just a few people in there so tends to be easier to reach out to freenode staff and get them to override19:51
clarkbcan point to the irc bot infra spec there too19:51
fungiyeah, that sounds like a great idea19:52
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jlvillalcorvus, FYI: I might be interested in assisting with the IRC bot.19:52
anteayaclarkb, yes and also perhaps add the text to the IRC services area in the docs19:53
clarkbanteaya: ya we can work it into the docs too19:53
clarkbok we've a few minutes left for the what did we miss open discussion topic19:53
clarkb#topic Open Discussion19:53
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anteayaDavid did a thing19:53
anteayabut I think he said he is picking up kids19:53
jlvillalgerritbot review request: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545469/  Some cleanup/refactoring and adding unit tests. Has one +2 :)19:53
corvusjlvillal: awesome!  i'm happy to work with you on that and pitch in19:54
clarkb#link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gTsL7E7U7Q&t=1697 dmsimard did a talk on how to help infra19:54
jlvillalcorvus, cool :)19:54
clarkbfeel free to share the video if you know people who are interested19:54
* dmsimard back from picking up kids19:54
pabelangerhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:emit-job-header-nodes is a way we could start printing nodepool info in jobs again, if people are interested19:54
anteayadmsimard, how did the talk go?19:55
fungigood-sized crowd?19:55
dmsimardIt went great, less people than expected showed up but since it was recorded it was still worth it. Still got a few good questions throughout the talk.19:55
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pabelangerhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:fedora-27 is also needed to migrate jobs from fedora-26 to fedora-27, would like some help landing that too19:55
anteayasometimes small groups can be more effective19:56
anteayayay for questions19:56
fungiand we're getting a bunch of new infra contributors from montreal as a result, right? ;)19:56
dmsimardThe format of the talk was very informal on purpose and was more or less a ~1hr live demo with recursive and meta references. It was fun.19:56
anteayaoh this was in Montreal?19:56
dmsimardYeah, we have regular OpenStack meetups in Montreal.19:56
anteayanice, I think I was at one in the past19:57
anteayawhen I went to a pycon19:57
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dmsimardah yeah there was a pycon about 2-3 years back :)19:57
anteayabit of a drive to go every month19:57
dmsimardfungi: we'll see :D19:57
* fungi crosses his fingers19:57
dmsimardMy hope is that the talk remains relevant and a form of informal documentation since it was recorded19:58
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dmsimardpabelanger: I'll help with those reviews19:59
clarkbalright thanks everyone20:00
anteayathank you20:00
fungithanks clarkb!20:00
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Apr  3 20:00:13 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)20:00
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clarkbour time is up and the meeting has ended. See you around irc and the mailing list20:00
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oneswigReady to rumble?21:00
oneswig#startmeeting scientific-sig21:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr  3 21:00:30 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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martialrumble ....21:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig'21:00
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oneswigHello all!21:00
oneswig#chair martial21:00
openstackCurrent chairs: martial oneswig21:00
trandlesHi there21:01
martialhello everybody21:01
martialHi Tim:)21:01
oneswig#link agenda we'll attempt to follow https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_April_3rd_201821:01
oneswigHey Tim21:01
oneswigHow's New Mexico?  I'm seeing a talk on Charliecloud next week I believe21:01
trandlesspring has arrived21:02
trandleswhere's the talk?21:02
trandlesOH, HPCAC21:02
oneswigIndeed - Michael Jennings21:02
priteauGood evening21:03
trandlesah yeah, Michael's a lucky guy21:03
oneswigLe mec, glad you could make it21:03
priteau(just one eye on IRC really)21:03
oneswigtrandles: it's a fine venue and last year's programme was pretty interesting.21:03
trandlesI'm hoping he finds time to discuss Docker & HPC with Luca from CSCS21:04
oneswigShifter, as in?  I believe that's what they are using.  It's Docker as a file format only, I believe.21:05
trandlesdocker -> squashfs via shifter image gateway21:05
oneswig(although that's the bit this use case requires)21:05
trandlesLANL + NERSC + CSCS had talks with Docker at SC17 about actually doing something like "runHPC" to make us all happy21:06
trandlessorry, not trying to drag the agenda into the container gutter21:06
oneswigI've heard it said that the new more modular OCI toolset will permit that21:06
martialTim: Docker Federal summit is in DC next week, I know we will not see anything out of it, but could be interesting21:06
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oneswigGovernment Docker?  Interesting and probably conflicted theme21:08
trandlesI <3 docker for everything up to the actual runtime...21:08
trandlesI want our code teams to use docker to build/package/distribute everything21:08
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oneswigmartial: are you attending this summit?21:08
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martialTim: https://www.docker.com/government-summit-201821:09
martialoneswig: will be at both the Federal summit and DockerCon1821:09
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trandleswish I could make it...but alas...21:09
trandlesoneswig: track down Christian Kniep at HPCAC...I think he's going to be there21:10
* johnthetubaguy wonders in late to the back of the room21:10
oneswigHe's speaking, no less21:10
oneswigHey john, good evening21:10
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trandlesOh good.  I thought Christian might have been speaking about HPC and Docker at the Gov't Summit.  Better that he be at HPCAC IMO21:11
oneswigtrandles: is he from LANL?21:11
trandlesNope, he works for Docker21:11
oneswigAh, so he does.  I mangled the talk title with the vendor21:12
trandleshe's the contact we've (LANL/NERSC/CSCS) been working with21:12
oneswigI'll be doubly interested in what he has to say then.21:12
trandlesMichael was also in the meeting at SC1721:13
trandlesso maybe you three could have a chat21:13
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oneswigI'll add it to my list - I'm already looking forward to several useful catch-ups.21:14
oneswigNot least with DK Panda on RDMA and Hbase21:14
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oneswigWe should probably get through the agenda and pick this up in AOB...21:14
oneswig#topic SIG RFEs for Ironic21:15
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oneswigWe had some good discussions at the PTG21:16
oneswigAnd the conclusion was that those discussions should be captured in storyboard21:16
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oneswigThe two items were boot-to-ramdisk and boot-with-kexec21:16
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oneswigbut right now they are sitting idle waiting for specs to elaborate on the idea.21:17
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oneswigI think if we truly want these things, we'll need to articulate our needs :-)21:17
trandlesI was just reading over the items that Julia linked on the boot-to-ramdisk storyboard21:18
oneswigThe specs process wiki page?21:19
rbuddenI believe I still need to add the Bridges use case to the spec/blueprint/etc21:19
trandlesthat and the template21:19
rbuddenAre the use cases what we still need?21:19
trandlesto me the template implies a lot more depth of knowledge of the inner workings of ironic21:19
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trandlesmore than I might possess21:19
trandles#link https://github.com/openstack/ironic-specs/blob/master/specs/template.rst21:20
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oneswigThis may end up as a team effort21:20
johnthetubaguynot sure ironic does this, but Nova tried out backlog specs, where you only fill in the bits you know about21:20
johnthetubaguythat is a good way to get started at least21:21
oneswigjohnthetubaguy: interesting.  But referred to in the past tense - what happened?21:21
priteautrandles: you could mark some section as unknown and ask during the review if an Ironic contributor can helps define them21:21
johnthetubaguyoneswig: more it didn't really help things gain traction https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/backlog/index.html21:22
oneswigI picked the parallel filter scheduler at random, it's still highly detailed21:23
johnthetubaguythat might be my fault... as I wrote that one21:23
johnthetubaguyFWIW, placement implements that, largely21:24
trandlesflavor classes one looks a lot more like what I'd produce at this point21:24
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johnthetubaguyyeah, that's cool21:24
johnthetubaguyits probably best having a change in gerrit that someone else can help finish off21:24
johnthetubaguywriting it down often proved interesting :)21:25
oneswigGiven the flavor classes spec was proposed for Liberty, I take johnthetubaguy's point on traction21:25
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martial:plus_one: :)21:26
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oneswigIt seems the best plan may be to work on embellishing a spec between us21:26
johnthetubaguyturns out if no one implements a thing it doesn't happen21:27
trandlesoneswig: agreed21:27
oneswigtrandles: if you were to lay down the skeleton, and add us all as reviewers?21:27
trandlessure, I can get started on it later this week21:27
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oneswigIs this for boot-to-ramdisk or boot-to-kexec? Or both?21:28
martialsounds like a good plan actually to get work done21:28
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trandlesramdisk for me21:28
oneswigmartial: steady on..21:29
trandlespriteau: I believe kexec was your baby21:29
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oneswig... and rbudden had the epic bios cycle times driving that21:29
priteauI can write a spec as well21:30
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rbuddenboot to ramdisk would be nice for the Superdomes :)21:30
rbuddenone boot, entire OS in RAM21:30
rbuddenkexec would be nice though for speeding up normal nodes, so i’m in for that as well21:31
rbuddenlet me know what I can do21:31
oneswigGreat, thanks Bob and thanks all21:31
trandlesthen again we should all be using linuxboot.org in a few months...or so another crowd has been telling me...21:31
oneswignot come across that...21:31
oneswigReminds me of Ron Minnich, of your parish trandles21:32
trandlesit's a tangent, but search Ron Minnich21:32
trandlesyeah, it's him21:32
trandlesalthough he's at google these days21:33
oneswigFancy that.  I came across him via the Alpha CPU and Linux BIOS21:33
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oneswigOK, interesting.  Lets move on?21:34
oneswig#topic Vancouver21:34
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martiallast day to get the early bird ...21:34
martial#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/21:35
oneswigMy first trip to this great city.  Already looking forward to it.21:35
martialthe last summit there was really good21:35
johnthetubaguy+1 it was good last time, nice ducks on the roof outside the breakout rooms21:36
johnthetubaguyI don't think I am making that up21:36
rbuddenwill be nice to revisit Vancouver21:36
oneswigWe should ensure the Scientific SIG sessions are truly awesome... any thoughts?21:36
trandlesplus watching the float planes...unless it rains this time...21:36
b1airoVancouver gets high marks for beer quality too21:37
martialwait we have a conference around watching the duck and planes ... and beer21:37
johnthetubaguyI am cooking some TC related things for a Scientific Constellation, to sit alongside a container one21:37
oneswigHey b1airo21:37
martial#chair b1airo21:37
openstackCurrent chairs: b1airo martial oneswig21:37
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martialwelcome Blair21:37
johnthetubaguyit would be good to do something in person around that, hoping to get something up for review soon ish21:37
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oneswigjohnthetubaguy: can you give an overview of the concept?21:38
b1airoo/ (have been lurking)21:38
martial#link Forum brainstorming https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR18-scientific-sig-brainstorming21:38
johnthetubaguy#link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/resolutions/20170404-vision-2019.html#navigating-with-constellations21:38
johnthetubaguyso thats the context21:38
martial(oops too soon)21:38
johnthetubaguyah, this is forum brainstorming too really21:38
oneswigThis is interesting: "Many of the tools used for OpenStack deployment now provide high level macros to install specific constellations"21:39
johnthetubaguybasically, its a bit like a reference architecture, or a way to navigate through the huge list of openstack projects but looking for your use case, rather than "insert crazy name"21:39
johnthetubaguywe got kinda inventive when we wrote that vision21:39
oneswigwhich tools are they johnthetubaguy?  Perhaps we need a "kayobe install ska"?21:39
johnthetubaguyI am not against that idea, obviously ;)21:40
johnthetubaguyor maybe just "vagrant up"21:40
oneswigEveryone will want one :-)21:40
johnthetubaguyfirst step is describe what it looks like, roughly, and start making the concept a bit more real21:41
johnthetubaguyso will try keep folks posted on how that goes21:41
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johnthetubaguyI am hoping dims does an awesome job of the container one so it makes it easier :)21:42
oneswigIs there a forum-style discussion around this or is it something that's just going to work its way through OpenStack's processes?21:42
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oneswigI saw that noggin143 has added a forum proposal on preemptible instances - great21:43
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johnthetubaguyso I am not sure yet... I was thinking best to discuss in the Scientific SIG room21:44
b1airoSounds good21:44
johnthetubaguypreemptible should be a good session too, good progress happening there21:44
oneswigexcellent.  I think it will be disruptive21:45
oneswig(and not just for my instances)21:45
b1airoI suspect the idea of Scientific Constellation will flush out a few snowflakes21:45
oneswigjohnthetubaguy: is there a forum topic in the federation experiences I wonder?21:47
johnthetubaguyvery possibly21:48
johnthetubaguyat least worth a sync up21:48
b1airoAlso wonder how much a Science community specific stuff there might be in config, e.g., Keystone setup and various API Policy21:48
b1airos/ a//21:48
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oneswigA further thought on Vancouver - is there somewhere where might all have a beer and watch sea planes, ducks, etc? We should probably (informally) make a plan21:51
rbuddenthere’s a decent brewery within walking distance of the conference center21:52
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rbuddenI forget the name but it’s close to the famous Vancouver steam clock21:52
oneswigGreat plan21:52
trandlesisn't there a bar/restaurant right next to the seaplane base and the conference center?21:52
trandlesalthough IIRC it was busy and expensive21:52
b1airoI'm arriving Friday evening so plenty of time21:52
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oneswigb1airo: is it direct for you?  That's a lot of ocean21:53
martialb1airo are you participating in the upstream academy?21:53
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b1airoVia Auckland21:54
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oneswigSince when was New Zealand on the way to anywhere...21:55
oneswig5 mins to go21:55
oneswig#topic AOB21:55
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oneswigWhat's new - got your DGX2 orders in21:55
b1airoHa. If our grant gets funded then yes21:56
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oneswigI've been tinkering with RDMA for Ceph.  Sometimes it's working but IB verbs portability is low it seems.21:56
b1airoBetween fabric types you mean?21:57
oneswigI can guess it's being developed on RoCE because that works.21:57
oneswigNothing else works out of the box.  I'm teaching myself verbs to get it coaxed into life21:57
b1airoI seem to recall a discussion on ceph-users a while back about connection setup. How does Ceph initialise QPs?21:58
oneswigDirectly. ibv_modify_qp.  Really should use CMA21:58
b1airoHmm yes21:59
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martial(running out of time, gents)21:59
b1airoSounds like it's still experimental at best21:59
oneswigThe Ceph messenger classes have enough flexibility to support that.21:59
oneswigb1airo: agreed, but there is potential here.  For the day when the CPU is the bottleneck for Ceph.22:00
oneswigAh, on that happy note, we must close22:00
oneswigthanks all22:00
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-04-03-21.00.html22:00
b1airoI guess if you have enough 3d xpoint it already is22:00
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-04-03-21.00.txt22:00
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-04-03-21.00.log.html22:00
oneswigb1airo: saw some graphs of optane vs previous generation - really impressive22:00
martialbye all22:00
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b1airoYeah it's pretty nice stuff22:02
b1airoEven the consumer stuff is good for Ceph, e.g. 900P as a WAL device22:03
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