Wednesday, 2018-04-04

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diablo_rojo#startmeeting fc_sig08:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr  4 08:00:19 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig'08:00
diablo_rojoPing list: gmann, mattoliverau, cmurphy08:00
diablo_rojoHello :)08:01
diablo_rojoWe are gonna go do this one fast cause I am in dire need of sleep :)08:01
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diablo_rojo#link Agenda08:02
gmann:) sure, running time for me too08:02
diablo_rojo#topic New Contributor patches08:02
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diablo_rojoEveryone do reviews? :)08:02
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mattoliverauI looked.. and tried. nothing much there I saw. I grabbed the openstack ansible one, and the PTL had gotten in.08:03
gmannyea, did 3-4. mainly to ask project liaisons to check those08:03
* diablo_rojo did not, but wrote two forum session proposals instead08:03
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diablo_rojogmann, awesome :)08:03
mattoliverauoh yeah..08:03
mattoliveraugmann: nice work08:03
diablo_rojoI will re commit next week to those though.08:03
diablo_rojothose as in reviews08:03
diablo_rojoAnything else on this new topic?08:03
gmannkolla liaison is seated near me so asked him to review :)08:04
diablo_rojoon this topic08:04
diablo_rojonot new topic :)08:04
mattoliveraulol nice08:04
mattoliverauthat helps08:04
diablo_rojogmann, that would be awesome08:04
mattoliveraunothing else.. then next topic?08:04
diablo_rojoCool :) Moving on..08:05
* mattoliverau is trying to let diablo_rojo sleep :)08:05
diablo_rojo#topic Ask.o.o Questions08:05
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* diablo_rojo appreciates mattoliverau trying to let diablo_rojo sleep :) 08:05
gmannnothing new on this. it was down for some time but working fine now08:05
diablo_rojoI didn't see anything new here08:05
mattoliverauzhipeng: o/08:05
diablo_rojooh hello zhipeng :)08:05
zhipengsorry was absent in the previous meetings08:06
gmannzhipeng: hello08:06
zhipenghello guys :)08:06
diablo_rojogmann, yeah I saw the outage too, but it was back pretty quickly from what I saw08:06
mattoliverauyeah I didn't see anything when I checked today (because last minute) :P08:06
diablo_rojozhipeng, no worries.08:06
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diablo_rojozhipeng, basically we have the first two topics as standing items to make sure they are getting regular attention.08:06
zhipenggot it, plz carry on :)08:06
diablo_rojozhipeng, can do :)08:07
diablo_rojoSo... no new questions that I saw so not much to say here either.08:07
diablo_rojoAnyone have anything else?08:07
mattoliverauon this topic, nope08:07
diablo_rojo#topic New Contributor Of the Week08:08
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diablo_rojoI don't recall us saying how we wanted to publicize this person08:08
diablo_rojoI think the options were super user, wiki digest blog thing?08:08
diablo_rojoCould just do an email to the dev list too08:09
mattoliverauyeah, I don't think we decided. but first having a user to praise would be good :08:09
diablo_rojoa user?08:09
diablo_rojoyou mean contributor?08:09
gmanndev digest looks good to me but adding in wiki too would not hurt08:09
mattoliveraubah, yeah that thing08:09
diablo_rojogmann, you think a separate wiki?08:10
mattoliveraudev digest or maybe even a regular post on the openstack blog?08:10
gmanndiablo_rojo: no, just on existing one either Firstcontact sig or contributor guide08:10
diablo_rojoWe could post to the openstack blog (that the dev digest goes to) without being in the blog too08:10
diablo_rojoI mean without being in the digest08:10
diablo_rojoJust on the blog.08:11
* diablo_rojo is sleepy08:11
zhipengblog sounds nice08:11
mattoliveraugood idea :P08:11
diablo_rojoI can try to draft something short for approval for next week?08:11
mattoliverauSure, how'd your contributor going diablo_rojo?08:12
diablo_rojo#action /me will write a short blog post about a new contributor of the month08:12
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mattoliverauI can't type today apparently08:12
diablo_rojomattoliverau, good. She's still around- haven't scared her off yet :)08:12
diablo_rojomattoliverau, and you're not even as tired as I am.08:12
diablo_rojoAnything else on this topic?08:12
diablo_rojo#topic Rollover of #openstack-10108:13
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mattoliverauI assume there has been no movement here.08:13
diablo_rojomattoliverau, correct08:13
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mattoliverauI did find fungi's notes from the PTG the link he gave was:
diablo_rojomattoliverau, I think that means you're up08:14
diablo_rojoYes, thats correct mattoliverau08:14
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mattoliverauSo I'll go create a patch to remove openstack-101 from the access bot then ask an infra-root nicely to create the redirect08:15
diablo_rojoNot sure how renaming works when you are renaming it to an existing channel08:15
diablo_rojoYes that would be awesome08:15
mattoliverauit'll just we be redirect from openstack-101 to openstack dev08:15
diablo_rojosuper helpful08:15
mattoliverauie.. don't need to create a new channel in the access bot08:15
diablo_rojomattoliverau, yep08:16
mattoliveraujhesketh: is in my timezone and I chat to him during the day, so will try and trick him into doing a thing once the patch lands08:16
mattoliverauie the redirect08:16
diablo_rojomattoliverau, perfect :)08:16
diablo_rojoYou need anything from us then?08:17
mattoliverauI don't think so.. so long as you all vote on the patch to say "yes, this is what we want done"08:17
mattoliverauI'll put the patch link in the wiki once I've raised it.08:18
diablo_rojomattoliverau, send it along when you get it out there08:18
diablo_rojosounds good08:18
diablo_rojoOkay next topic?08:18
mattoliverauoh and I probably should use the meeting command08:19
diablo_rojomattoliverau, oh yeah08:19
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diablo_rojo#topic Forum Discussion Planning08:19
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diablo_rojoSo I did some stuff08:19
diablo_rojoYou can see the two that I proposed there08:19
gmannnice work +108:20
diablo_rojoOne related to pulling more operators into our group08:20
diablo_rojoand the other related to creating that minimum reqs doc for new companies to know what a contributor needs to be successful.08:20
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diablo_rojoI thought it best to submit first and then let TC know (still havent done that) so it didn't get bikeshedded on too much08:21
mattoliverauha, good idea :)08:21
zhipengi think min reqs is a great one08:22
mattoliveraualways easier to ask for forgiveness then the ask for permission, etc, etc .08:22
diablo_rojoIt will be a good discussion which would be nice to get some tc represenation at, but I wanted to get it submitted without too much discussion ahead of time08:22
zhipengthe stat padding patches still bothers me so much08:22
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diablo_rojozhipeng, thanks :) Wasn't 100% my idea, but I think I encapsulated everything08:22
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diablo_rojozhipeng, yeah I used to care and be like that...then I stopped.08:23
zhipengyep :)08:23
mattoliverauhopefully cmurphy will turn up :P08:23
diablo_rojoIf anyone has critiques on those abstracts I think I can go back and edit08:23
cmurphymattoliverau: :P08:23
diablo_rojoI think we get to vot on them when we get closer to the dcision making process?08:23
* diablo_rojo can't remember08:24
gmanndiablo_rojo: looks good.08:24
diablo_rojogmann, cool :)08:24
gmanndiablo_rojo: did we get vote right ? i think no08:24
cmurphyi don't recall voting on forum sessions, i think a committee decides08:24
gmanncmurphy: yea08:24
mattoliverauso we just need to butter them up08:24
diablo_rojoLol that works08:25
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diablo_rojoCool :) Thats it for topic then!08:25
diablo_rojo#topic AOB?08:26
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diablo_rojoAnyone have anything else?08:26
zhipengdiablo_rojo is there any super user article on first contact yet ?08:26
diablo_rojozhipeng, there was one or two when we were forming up..08:26
zhipengokey cool08:26
diablo_rojoI think I talked about it a lot in one of my ptg summaries08:26
cmurphydiablo_rojo: fyi i have a conflict the weekend before the summit so i won't be able to help with upstream institute, sorry :(08:26
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diablo_rojozhipeng, was there something you have in mind?08:27
diablo_rojocmurphy, :( That's okay.08:27
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zhipengi think I could try to have some China local community folks further promote it08:27
mattoliveraucmurphy: are you going to be in fiji too? :P08:27
cmurphymattoliverau: i wish :P08:27
mattoliverauzhipeng: that would be awesome08:27
zhipengwill do some googling and drinking and smiling :P08:28
gmannmattoliverau: you should post it or we could have upstream institute there :)08:28
gmannzhipeng: nice idea.08:28
cmurphygmann: ++08:28
diablo_rojozhipeng, sounds like a solid plan to me08:28
diablo_rojoAnything else?08:30
diablo_rojoCan I go to bed? :)08:30
gmannnothing from me08:30
cmurphygo to bed diablo_rojo08:30
mattoliverauquick think of something to keep her up :P08:30
gmannyea and have good sleep08:30
mattoliverau... I got nothing..08:30
mattoliveraudiablo_rojo: bed time08:30
diablo_rojomattoliverau, before this meeting I was drinking and playing games with annabelleB and tonyb08:31
diablo_rojoBlame them for my sleepiness08:31
mattoliverauoh really, lol08:31
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mattoliverauI'll blame tonyb for you too08:31
diablo_rojoYep, tonyb is on my side of the pond today08:31
diablo_rojomattoliverau, lol08:31
diablo_rojoOkay. Headed to bed then :)08:31
mattoliverauthat'll be why he never answered my text today08:31
diablo_rojoNight everyone! Thank you for coming :)08:32
mattoliveraunight o/08:32
diablo_rojomattoliverau, yep that would be why08:32
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Apr  4 08:32:32 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)08:32
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gmannthanks diablo_rojo , gn08:32
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diablo_rojozhipeng, if you want a ping when we start the meeting- add yourself to the ping list on the agenda in the wiki08:33
* diablo_rojo wonders off to bed08:33
zhipengdiablo_rojo good to know ! :)08:33
zhipenghave a good nite :)08:33
diablo_rojoThanks :)08:33
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smcginnis#startmeeting cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr  4 16:00:04 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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smcginnisPing list: DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlontpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut16:00
smcginnis#topic rollcall16:00
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geguileohi! o/16:00
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smcginnisOK, seems a bit light, but we can get going.16:01
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smcginnisLooks like we are currently around line 50.16:02
smcginnis#topic Announcements16:02
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smcginnisI guess the only announcement I have is I am running the meeting while Jay is on vacation. :)16:02
gansosmcginnis: you're the vice-PTL xD16:02
smcginnisHah ;)16:02
smcginnis#link Spec review tracking16:02
smcginnisNormal reminder of the tracking etherpad.16:03
smcginnisNot sure if it's been updated recently, but still some good things to check on there.16:03
smcginnisIt would be great to get attention to any outstanding specs that we discussed at the PTG that we would like to get in Rocky.16:03
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smcginnisThere are also a few new drivers, but I last I looked, most of them carried over from past cycles appear to have decided not to continue with them.16:04
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smcginnisOh, I guess one more announcement in case it wasn't seen on the ML.16:04
smcginnisThe next release has been officially named "Stein".16:04
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smcginnisAnd all I have to say about that is marketing folks better take full advantage of that release name in Germany.16:05
gansoStein: a large earthenware beer mug.16:05
smcginnis#topic Check-in on HA development progress16:05
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smcginnisgeguileo: I think this is the point where Jay prods you. :)16:05
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e0newe were just talking about it in the cinder channel16:06
smcginnisAnything we should record for the meeting logs?16:06
e0neI need to update a spec for HA scheduler with more details16:07
smcginnise0ne: Do you have the spec link handy?16:07
e0neI think, geguileo can confirm that backups-via-scheduler shouldn't be blocked by HA scheduler16:08
e0negeguileo: am I right?16:08
e0nesmcginnis: here is it
e0neI'll update it with more details later this week16:08
smcginnisThanks. So anyone interested, please watch for updates to that patch. ^^16:08
smcginnise0ne, geguileo: Anything else we should bring up in the meeting about HA for now?16:09
* geguileo hides16:09
geguileosmcginnis: unfortunately not yet16:09
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e0nenothing for me. I hope, we'll have more details and discussion next week16:09
smcginnisOK, thanks!16:09
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smcginnis#topic Stable policy changes16:10
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smcginnisI know Jay wants to be here for this discussion.16:10
e0nesmcginnis: are we allowed to backport fixes for Pike now?16:10
smcginnisSo for now, just a heads up for everyone on changes to stable.16:10
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e0nelooks like 'yes', but I'm not sure yet16:10
eharneyso i do think we need to adjust things a bit, or at least solidify the thinking here16:10
smcginnise0ne: The overall policy has been relaxed, so we are now allowed to backport a little more than we used to.16:11
smcginnisPart of it is up to the projects to decide.16:11
smcginnisIt is "allowed".16:11
smcginniseharney: I think that's the part Jay wanted to be here for.16:11
eharneywe've tended to be a bit too conservative with this, but we're trending in the right direction16:12
e0neso, we need to go the decision what should we backport to stable/pike or to driverfixes/pike16:12
smcginnisPersonally, I think we can relax things and allow backports for things that are low risk.16:12
eharneydriverfixes/pike won't exist for now, right?16:12
smcginniseharney, e0ne: Right. Jay has a patch out there to create one, but I think that can be abandoned now.16:12
e0neeharney: that was my question16:12
eharneyso anything that we would have been landing in driverfixes needs to go into stble/pike instead16:12
e0neeharney: +116:12
smcginnisWe should be able to backport driver fixes.16:12
smcginnisAnd now we should probably go through and make sure changes that went into driverfixes/ocata get over to stable/ocata.16:13
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smcginnisSo for now, just watch and block any attempts to backport features or major changes.16:13
smcginnisBut I think we can allow other things.16:13
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e0nesmcginnis: it could be quite challenging16:14
smcginnisAnd we should probably discuss next week when Jay is back to make sure things are clear.16:14
eharneymy wireless just died... maybe missed some things16:14
eharneywhat's quite challenging?16:14
gansosmcginnis: how about CI?16:14
smcginnise0ne: Getting ocata changes into stable?16:14
smcginnisganso: Our current policy doesn't require running against stable patches.16:14
smcginnisBut it is allowed and maybe encouraged if you can and you want to make sure nothing breaks.16:15
tbarronso that's in line with what I'm doing atm: allowing fixes that *would* have gone to driverfixes to go to stable/{ocata,pike}16:15
tbarronand thinking about maintaining them for other patches16:15
smcginnistbarron: Great! Yeah, I think it would be good for us to be consistent about what we are allowing.16:15
e0nesmcginnis: yes. there shouldn't be merge conflicts, but I know how could it be painful for downstream maintainers to do such "backports"16:15
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eharneywe will be considering more non-driver fixes, too, let's not just get stuck on the drivers here16:15
smcginnise0ne: Yeah, true.16:15
smcginniseharney: True as well.16:16
tbarroneharney: agree, that's just the immediate and easiest case I think16:16
smcginnisThis does open things up to more than just driver fixes.16:16
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eharneywhich is really needed, because for a long time our stable branches have been too short lived and too conservative to really serve what people need from them16:16
e0neeharney: +116:17
smcginnisPart of the reasoning for this was we were EOLing branches right about the time downstream consumers were actually picking them up and finding issues.16:18
SwansonNo real world user has ever gotten past Newton.16:18
smcginnisSwanson: Hah, talking to ops folks, that's mostly a true statement.16:19
smcginnis#topic Open discussion16:19
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smcginnisAnyone else have anything for today?16:19
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smcginnisI'll take that as a no. :)16:20
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e0nesee you next week16:21
smcginnisThanks everyone.16:21
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SotKstoryboard meeting time!19:01
SotK#startmeeting storyboard19:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr  4 19:01:21 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at
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SotK#link Agenda19:01
SotK#topic Announcements19:01
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SotKTripleO UI migrated!19:01
fungiand there was much rejoicing19:01
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fungialso, all the necessary 4-byte utf-8 on mysql support landed over the weekend19:02
fungifor which the tripleo-ui migration is proof19:02
fungiso we're now unblocked on teams who were waiting for that to be able to migrate19:02
* diablo_rojo sneaks in a little late 19:03
fungiyou're right on time19:03
SotKwelcome diablo_rojo19:03
SotK#topic Migration Updates19:04
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fungidiablo_rojo: i'm impressed, honestly. if i had to stay up until 09:00z to chair a meeting, i'd still be sleeping19:05
SotK#link!/board/45 Migration Board19:05
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diablo_rojofungi, ha ha I had a meeting this morning at 15:30 too19:06
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diablo_rojoSo the board is all up to date now19:07
diablo_rojoI added notes in for the conversations I have been having with people19:07
diablo_rojoI think Cyborg and OpenStackSDK are the next to take the plunge19:07
fungithe cyborg team expressed interest in migrating on friday, but i'll be offline friday and saturday19:07
diablo_rojoI poked at all the ongoing conversations I have been having- circled back to the ones I hadn't heard from since before the PTG19:08
persiaWhat permissions are needed to migrate?  Is it special folk, or all of infra-root, or some other group?19:08
fungii can try to drum up an infra-root alternate who can pull the trigger for cyborg friday, or i can do it tomorrow or sunday19:08
SotKpersia: infra-root19:08
diablo_rojofungi, I can be around for moral support on Sunday if Cyborg wants to wait.19:08
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fungiyeah, needs someone who has the ability to ssh into and escalate to the privileges necessary to read the stroyboard configuration (which contains secrets for database access)19:09
diablo_rojoOr I can be around Friday for questions from other infra root friend19:09
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clarkbI can do friday but not tomorrow and not weekend19:10
fungiclarkb: it's be the repos in 558327 (for which only cyborg and python-cyborgclient actually have any corresponding lp project)19:10
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clarkbI've also not done one of these so may need to find time to sync up on what the process is19:10
fungi#link Adds Cyborg to StoryBoard19:10
persiaBased on my experience with Cyborg activity, someone west of UTC-6 or east of UTC+6 might be preferable, if available, just for more overlap with the team.19:10
diablo_rojo_phonTwo short migrations. Three projects to create.19:11
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mordreddiablo_rojo: when we do OpenStackSDK - I think we wanted to do openstackclient at the same time (there are frequently bugs that affect both)19:11
fungiclarkb: sudo storyboard-migrate --config-file /etc/storyboard/storyboard.conf --from-project cyborg --to-project openstack/cyborg; sudo storyboard-migrate --config-file /etc/storyboard/storyboard.conf --from-project python-cyborgclient --to-project openstack/python-cyborgclient`19:11
clarkbthen merge the above change when that is done?19:11
fungiclarkb: change merges first19:12
diablo_rojo_phonmordred: now that the utf8mb4 support is there I will rerun OSC's test migrstion19:12
mordredalso - fwiw, amotoki volunteered to take care of any python-openstackclient issues that needed attention19:12
fungiclarkb: then wait for puppet to create the corresponding projects in sb19:12
mordreddiablo_rojo_phon: woot19:12
clarkbthat is straightforward so happy to help on friday if it works out. I can be around between 9am and 6pm PDT19:12
fungiclarkb: then fire off the migration commands19:12
clarkbfungi: got it19:12
fungipretty straighthforward, yeah19:12
clarkbI think that is like 1600UTC to 0200UTC?19:12
diablo_rojo_phonI will do that today mordred and update everyone when it completes :)19:12
persiaclarkb: If you are volunteering, maybe check with the Cyborg team?  I think many of them will have Friday when you have Thursday afternoon.19:13
fungimordred: amotoki: was there a preferred window for importing openstacksdk and openstackclient?19:13
clarkbpersia: ah silly dateline. I can't do thursday local time (kids first day of "school")19:13
mordredfungi: I'm fine doing sdk whenever19:13
diablo_rojo_phonclarkb: awwww :)19:13
persiaMaybe they are happy with weekend migration, in which case it doesn't matter :)19:13
fungiif late "thursday" for me is acceptable for cyborgs, i can make that happen19:14
mordredfungi: so I defer to whenever works for amotoki/osc19:14
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fungianyway, i'm on a private -email discussion with a couple of cyborg folk, si i can work out an appropriate time when i'll be available and if north american friday is preferable then i'll give clarkb a heads up19:15
clarkbfungi: sounds like a plan19:15
fungimordred: thanks, i'll just find out if there are any time constraints but aside from friday/saturday this week i'm fairly available to do those whenever19:16
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diablo_rojo_phonfungi I expect OSC shouldn't be an issue now but I'll let you know when the migration completes.19:18
SotKany other migration updates?19:21
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diablo_rojo_phonNope I think that's all I had.19:22
SotK#topic In Progress Work19:22
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diablo_rojo_phonI think I still have two webclient patches out there.19:23
SotKI ended up having a relaxing easter break not thinking about any software so I didn't do much this week19:23
* diablo_rojo_phon needs to do more reviews today19:23
fungii'm just this week finally getting back to testing its-storyboard on the gerrit 2.13 deployment on to work out what's needed to get it leaving comments on storyboard-dev.openstack.org19:23
fungino outcome yet of course19:23
diablo_rojo_phonYou deserve the break SotK :)19:23
fungii'm hoping the modifications we made to commentlinks configuration for 2.13 are to blame for the comments from its-storyboard ceasing, but should no more by next week19:24
SotKfungi: thanks, it'll be good to get that fixed19:25
fungisounded like there as at least one team blocking their migration on that getting fixed19:25
fungier, there was19:26
diablo_rojo_phonYes that's correct19:27
diablo_rojo_phonI think it was for Designate and ...Senlin..?19:29
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diablo_rojo_phonI don't remember the second.19:29
diablo_rojo_phonI'd have to go look it up19:29
fungiwell, regardless, it's a bug we need fixed and it has some priority19:30
fungiso happy to shift gears and look at that next19:30
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SotKas for other in-progress things, there are many patches for various things in review, but I think I'm the one that needs to review all the ones that aren't mine, and most of mine need updates19:32
fungispeaking of priority, the task tracking migration is the only current priority effort for the infra team19:33
fungii've tried to remind people in yesterday's infra meeting that means it's a great thing to pitch in on ;)19:33
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vaishnavip[m]are there any open tasks that would help with migrations?19:36
vaishnavip[m]i see that utf8mb4 is fixed, client side errors from lp and gerrit bot comments (its-storyboard) are already assigned19:36
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SotKlets go to the next topic which is about that very thing19:36
SotK#topic Blocking Migration Tagged Stories19:37
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SotKso the stories there are the ones currently marked as blocking migrations19:39
vaishnavip[m]okay, i made a patch request for story #200137719:40
diablo_rojo_phonYeah. The Gerrit commenting one will hopefully go away soon :)19:40
vaishnavip[m]shouldn't take long to review, seems like a minor oversight19:40
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SotKI will try to take a look at your patches later today, but it might also be tomorrow19:42
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diablo_rojo_phonvaishnavip[m]: I'll try to look today.19:42
vaishnavip[m]thanks, should i work on the irc bot next? or something else, depending on priority19:43
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SotKirc bot could be interesting, or maybe!/story/2000132 ?19:45
fungii mainly jumped on the gerrit commenting issue because i happen to have access to multiple (development and production) deployments exhibiting that symptom where i should hopefully be able to quickly work out the cause19:46
diablo_rojo_phonvaishnavip[m]: yeah the bot or any of the other blocking items would be great19:48
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vaishnavip[m]SotK: you're not currently working on the duplicates story, right?19:49
SotKI'm not, I just have opinions on what the solution should look like19:50
vaishnavip[m]okay, i'll try that and the bot then19:51
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fungiwhich one is the duplicates story?19:52
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diablo_rojo_phonHow to better handle duplicate stories I think?19:52
fungiahh, that19:53
SotKI assumed we were talking about!/story/2000132 (the "two people can have the same name" story)19:53
fungijust making sure it wasn't the duplicate accounts issue. if we still have an open task for that it can be closed now19:53
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diablo_rojo_phonYeah different duplicate thing :)19:54
diablo_rojo_phonThough we do still need nickname support for when two different users do actually have the same name.19:54
fungioh, though two people incidentally having the same name is probably worth some means of disambiguating, agreed19:55
fungithe "lots of people had duplicate accounts because of getting the wrong openid base url on story import" issue has been dealt with, at least19:55
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fungiand i wonder whether the octavia team hitting it on storyboard.o.o was due to the second cause19:56
fungi(mentioned in september in a comment on that story)19:56
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SotKhm, it could've been I guess, when did the openid switch happen?19:58
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SotKright, we are out of time20:00
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SotKthanks all!20:00
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notmyname#startmeeting swift21:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:01
notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:01
claygbest topic21:01
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rledisez_hi o/21:02
notmynamewelcome everyone21:02
notmynameagenda at21:02
notmynamethere are a lot of things going on, so let's talk about it21:02
notmyname#topic lots going on, not a lot of time (or reviewers)21:02
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timburkeidk what you're talking about -- just hop on a feature branch and +A all the things :P21:03
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notmynamecurrently, AFAIK, we've got feature/deep (which is huge), feature/s3api (which may or may not be big), torgomatic_ is working on improving the consistency engine, rledisez_ is doing awesome stuff with LOSF (which we haven't seen yet *hint*hint*), there's py3 works, and probably a bunch of other stuff too21:04
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notmynamefurthermore, we've all got employers who are looking for us to deliver things on "timetables" and "schedules" and with "marketing announcements"21:05
notmynamebut seriously, we've got users in general who want the stuff we're writing21:05
notmynameand that's really great21:05
notmynamebut hard (impossible) to all get done at the same time21:05
notmynameespecially given the fact that we've got fewer people around that we used to21:06
claygtimburke: knows how it is21:06
notmynameso I'd like to talk about 3 big things and how we think we can order them in order to not get ourselves more unhappy than necessary21:06
notmynamefeature/deep, feature/s3api, and improved consistency engine21:07
notmyname(I realize that some people may not agree with those being the three biggest things right now. that's valid)21:07
notmynamefeature/deep is the biggest current ongoing work right now21:08
notmynameideally, there will be something to propose to master in a few weeks21:08
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notmynameand at that time, it will need a lot of eyes for review21:09
notmynameso before moving on, I want to make sure we're generally in agreement. does anyone have any disagreements with anything I've said so far?21:09
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notmynameI take silence as agreement :-)21:10
timburkebig things, check. lots of eye, check. need a plan -- yup21:10
kota_it's not different with mine. I estimated the review time for feature/deep in the last half of this month.21:10
acoleskota_: +121:11
notmynameok, if we all agree that feature/deep is the biggest thing currently going on and that when a merge to master is proposed we'll need a lot of eyes on it...21:12
notmynamethen that means we've already answered some hard questions: essentially, feature/deep comes first21:12
notmynamefor example, seeing that feature/s3api isnt' yet proposed to master, it's feeling to me ike it's getting really late to do that before feature/deep21:13
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timburkeidk -- how much more do we need beyond the 3 outstanding patches? kota_?21:14
notmynamethat is, a big merge to master for s3 compatibility is a lot to ask right before we do an ever bigger merge to master for feature/deep21:14
notmynametimburke: IMO it's not even the code as it is the cognative overhead knowing that we'll all need a lot of mental energy to review feature/deep21:14
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kota_if you don't have opposition, timburke, I'll add +2 +A for the three. then propose the branch to the master ;-)21:15
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claygmaybe reviewing s3api will take less energy and be a good warm up?  It'd be all new to me so I really can't speak to it...21:16
kota_they are the last pieces I'd resolve before I'll propose feature/s3api to the master.21:16
zaitcevs3api is just a middleware, isn't it21:16
claygotherwise... AFAIK, after is fine too - except yeah... we might all be gun-shy/exhausted21:16
notmyname"just" yes, but it's also a big new functionality to officially take on.21:16
notmynameand TBH, not everyone is in 100% agreement with the outcome of the dublin discussions and decision to make s3api a simple import of swift321:17
notmynamewhich means if we don't actually merge it now, we've not done anything that prevents future us from working in a particular direction21:18
notmynamesorry if that's vague. I just mean that doing nothing is perhaps a valid thing to do right now21:18
zaitcevOn both of these, I have a question21:19
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zaitcevThey are on a branch. Suppose I need to catch up. I didn't look at these for a while. But... there's no review on which to comment with -1 and questions. It's a separate branch, not a review.21:19
zaitcevHow am I supposed to interact with this21:19
notmynamezaitcev: for feature/deep, the best thing to do is ask timburke or acoles or clayg in IRC or email21:20
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notmynamefor feature/s3api, you could ask kota_, but what he's been doing so far is simply treating is as an import of swift3. specific question should wait for the proposed merge to master, but more general things could be asked directly21:21
timburkei think -- pick a chunk of functionality you want to dig in on. ask questions in channel as necessary. for things that still don't make sense, hack on it until they start to, then propose the result as a new patch21:21
claygzaitcev: if you want to catch up *before* the merge to master - yes - checkout feature/deep - run tests (make sure you config works or use vsaio) - then read the docs - then ask questions in IRC or ML21:21
acoleszaitcev: depending on the query, propose a patch to feature/deep if it is a fix, or ask here21:21
acoleshere == #openstack-swift of course21:21
zaitcevacoles: thanks, that's what I missed21:22
claygnotmyname: maybe at somepoint during (or at the begining?) of the merge to master tdasilva can do the bluejeans thing and we can have a virtual design recap (mattoliverau can tell the story for the... 10th time?)21:22
notmynameclayg: that's a good idea21:23
claygI'm mostly assuming at this point a lot of folks know how it "works" - but either they forgot some specific (when the proxy request what, whos responsible for whatever) or they're generally curious out some nitty gritty detail (what happens to async pendings when while your sharding if you rebalance?)21:23
acoleszaitcev: the nature of feature branch is that things are a little more fluid than master, so if you see something nonsense then ask before pondering too long - for example, there are chunks of code that need to be deleted which could be confusing (the delete will happen soon)21:24
notmynameI'll talk to acoles (mostly) to figure out the right time for that. don't want to distract yet, but dont' want to wait too late either21:24
acolesclayg: notmyname: +1 design recap is a great idea. but not this week :)21:25
notmynameI added that to my todo list21:25
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claygnotmyname: my first thought was honestly like schedule it after the first meeting after the first patch is proposed to master21:25
notmynamezaitcev: did you get a satisfactory answer to your question?21:26
zaitcevnotmyname: yes, thanks21:26
claygnotmyname: like give folks a few days to see the changes coming, meeting time everyone gets told "yes, it's really happening, tell you managers" then at some point a couple days later we have "ok, I've been reading code for two days straight but i still don't understand XYZ" in a highbandwidth21:26
notmynamekota_: I don't want you to feel like you were skipped over. I strongly implied that we should wait on merging feature/s3api for now until after feature/deep has landed. how do you feel about that?21:27
notmynameis there anyone who would like to advocate for getting feature/s3api merged to master before feature/deep is proposed to master (in about 2 weeks)21:28
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kota_depending on how feature/deep takes a time...21:28
claygkota_: that's probably hard to estimate, do you have any idea how long it will take to merge feature/s3api?21:29
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kota_2 points talking about the time. 1. How much time before feature/deep proposed to the master, 2. how much time before *landing* to the master.21:29
kota_clayg: i kno it's hard tho.21:30
claygnotmyname: so we have some goals related to the timing of feature/deep correct?21:30
notmynamekota_: the goal is to propose feature/deep to master no earlier than the week of april 1621:31
notmyname(that's and and a half weeks from today)21:31
notmynameand hopefully see a merge to master around may 8 (those dates are on
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notmynamekota_: hmm indeed :-)21:34
notmynamekota_: I'm interested in what you're thinking about21:35
notmynameit seems to have gone quiet in kota_'s world21:37
kota_thanks to take care about, but for now, I'm not able to get summary of my thought...21:37
kota_notmyname: sorry21:37
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notmynamekota_: please feel free to share later, either publicly or to me privately21:38
notmynameso aside from the big feature branches, torgomatic_ has been improving consistency engine pieces21:38
notmynamespecifically, he's making the object replicator multiprocess, improving the ec reconstructor, and adding some nice config options to the db replicators21:38
notmynamehis work starts at
patchbotpatch 555563 - swift - Multiprocess object replicator21:39
notmynameunfortunately, he's stuck because normally the people who would review it are all working on feature branches right now!21:39
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notmynameand that gets us back to the original problem. is it possible to land anything before these feature branches, and if so, how or who does it?21:40
claygfeature branch?21:40
clayg^ that's a joke21:40
claygzaitcev: will review it - he loves db replicators21:41
notmynametdasilva: rledisez_: you two have been quiet so far in today's meetings21:41
notmynameany thoughts?21:41
tdasilvasorry...just multiple things going on here :(21:42
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tdasilvastarted looking at py3 work too, but i know that's not even on the high priority list atm...21:43
tdasilvaso yeah...too much going on...21:43
rledisez_hum, not much to say honestly. pain points first, i agree feature/deep is a priority. consistency engine too :)21:43
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notmynamerledisez_: would love it if OVH could take a look at some of torgomatic_'s patches. I think your combined ops experience would be really good for it21:44
rledisez_the object-updater would deserve some love too. i will submit something about prioritization of async_pending tasks21:44
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rledisez_notmyname: bookmarked ;)21:45
torgomatic_that'd be handy :)21:45
notmynamethanks :-)21:45
claygrledisez_: yes, that would be wonderful21:46
notmynameok, so to sum up, as I see the state of the world right now: feature/deep is big and the most important thing going on right now. we hope to propose a merge to master in about two weeks. rledisez_/ovh will look at torgomatic_'s patches. kota_ will land the last feature/s3api patches, but we won't prioritize merging it to master right now21:47
notmynameis that an accurate summary of our last 45 minutes?21:47
notmyname(again, silence is agreement! ;-)21:48
claygand also I want a pony21:48
notmynamesorry, no ponies21:48
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acolesnotmyname: yes it's accurate, although hard that we have so much good stuff vying for attention21:50
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notmynamethe last comment I made in my summary about feature/s3api is something that kota_ is still collecting his thoughts on. I definitely want to make sure we account for his work21:50
notmynameacoles: yes. very difficult21:50
kota_notmyname: thanks21:50
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notmynamehowever, despite being very difficult, I'm glad it's this group of people working on it. you are what make swift amazing. thank you for all the hard work you put in21:51
notmynameanything else to add from anyone right now?21:52
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notmynameall right. let's close the meeting thing. thanks for coming today21:53
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