Friday, 2018-04-06

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ekcs#startmeeting congressteammeeting02:30
openstackMeeting started Fri Apr  6 02:30:40 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at
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ekcshi all!02:30
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting'02:30
ekcsback for another meeting =)02:30
ekcstopics are here as usual:
ekcsplease read/comment/add02:31
ramineni_ekcs: hi02:32
ramineni_masahito: hi02:32
masahitoramineni_: hi02:32
ekcshi masahito =)02:33
ekcshi ramineni_ =)02:33
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ekcshow are things?02:33
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ekcswell hope everone’s doing well. let’s dive in then.02:36
ekcs#topic gate02:36
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ekcsgate is failing since oslo.config upper constraint got bumped to 6.0.1 and changed something that the cfgvalidator depends on.02:36
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ekcsI took a stab at it, but so far haven't fixed it.02:36
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ekcsanything to talk about there?02:37
ramineni_ekcs: oh , may be you could add peirre to the patch, he might be able to help02:37
ekcsyea I’ll add/ping him at some point. Thanks02:38
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ramineni_ekcs: cfgvalidator seems to break very frequently , tightly coupled with oslo.config02:38
ekcsyea that’s unfortunate. I may ask pierre if there are ways to improve that aspect of things.02:39
ramineni_ekcs: ya , ok02:40
ekcsanything else?02:40
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ekcsok moving on then.02:40
ekcs#topic monasca push02:40
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ekcsramineni_: I have a couple discussion points on monasca push. is this a good time to talk about it? or maybe wait till it’s made open?02:41
ramineni_ekcs: ok, we can discuss02:41
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ekcsok then. the main question is how the alarms get deleted.02:42
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ekcsdoes monasca send a notification for alarm deactivate?02:42
ekcsor does congress side auto delete things?02:42
ramineni_ekcs: its a notification genrally , they wont get stored , they just send the notification to who all activated it , monasca doesnt do any store anything related to that02:43
ramineni_ekcs: thats the case with all notifications right02:43
ramineni_ekcs: IMO , notifications wont get stored at source , its up to the receiver what to do with them , ignore or take action02:44
ramineni_ekcs: so once evaluated , it wont be of use02:44
ekcsRight so that’s what I’m trying to understand.02:44
ekcs1. does monasca send notification on deactivate?02:44
ekcsgot it.02:45
ekcs2. what does congress do with the notifications?02:45
ramineni_execute actions ,02:45
ramineni_invoking nova /.. api02:45
ramineni_depending on policy02:45
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ekcsright. but there’s a step before that. policy trigger execute actions based on the rows in tables.02:46
ekcsso congress must create rows based on notifications right?02:46
ramineni_ekcs: yes02:46
ekcsso it’s: when a notification is received, delete all pre-existing rows and create new rows based on only the latest notification?02:46
ramineni_so im thinking of PUT , single row or set of rows , they get evaluated , and respective actions would take place, after that there is no use of that data02:46
ramineni_ekcs: right , i could think of only that usecase02:47
ekcshmm I see.02:48
ekcsdo you know how that mechanism interacts with the existing polling mechanism in monasca driver?02:48
ramineni_ekcs: means02:48
ekcsfrom what I understand we already have polled data on the alarms table.02:49
ekcsdo both mechanisms go to the same table?02:49
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ramineni_ekcs: no, we havent added any interaction bw poll , and webook nitification , policies were based on notification data alone02:50
ramineni_ekcs: may be i can check that and get back02:50
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ekcsi see. so the webhook notifications go to a new table.02:50
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ramineni_yes, ill check if there is any overlap02:50
ekcsok. well one last question i think.02:51
ekcsmonasca webhook does a POST right? how do you guys plan to handle it?02:51
ekcs1. add POST api to congress side for receiving the push?02:51
ekcs2. change what monasca does into PUT or something else?02:51
ramineni_ekcs: we changed to PUT at monasca end02:51
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ekcsI see…. at PTG it sounded like gmann is interested in upstreaming. is he the point person on that effort or someone else?02:52
ekcsseems like changing from POST to PUT isn’t what monasca side would want in their upstream code.02:53
ramineni_but for monasca push to work , there are couple of changes to be done at monasca level too , but for this it can be done , using POST at congress end also , because its a new resource everytime , so post makes sense02:53
ekcsyea I think POST makes sense.02:53
ramineni_ekcs: right02:54
ekcsok well. thanks this is helpful.02:54
ekcsI’d like to help if possible.02:54
ramineni_ekcs: sure, thanks02:54
ramineni_ekcs: regarding generic push02:54
ekcs#topic generic push02:55
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gmannekcs:  yea we have plan of that and ramineni_ will be doing it along with some other members.02:55
ekcsgmann: awesome thanks for chiming in! I’d love to stay in the loop.02:56
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ekcsthanks gmann02:56
ekcsramineni_: you were saying about generic push?02:57
ramineni_ekcs: regarding PATCH operation , i read your comment02:57
ekcsbtw masahito you might have helpful expertise here given your push driver experience. we’re making generic push driver.02:57
ramineni_ekcs: you are right about my concern , that if we use patch , how do we handle the stale data02:57
ekcsramineni_: ok02:58
ramineni_ekcs: right, masahito : your comments would be helpful on the spec, we are debating on that for long time :)02:58
masahitogot it.02:58
ramineni_ekcs: so you meant , if ppl use geenric push , its the source resposiblity to delete the data again?02:59
masahitoFrom my experience, PATCH looks useful but is also painful solution :-)02:59
ekcsramineni_: yes that’s what I intended. It seemed like the only sensible way to be generic.03:00
ekcssome data needs to be deleted. some don’t. depending on the data and the situation.03:00
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ekcsa generic driver can’t make that decision. but it should give tools to make it easy for source/deployer to control behavior.03:01
ramineni_ekcs: but in most cases, will it be possible at source end to maintain all the data pushed to congress, and delete the same everytime, push generally used for immediate evaluation , so i doubt source end have that data stored03:01
ramineni_masahito: could you add more, evalautaing whole data again in case of patch , would cause erroneous behaviour?03:03
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ekcsramineni_: then in that case I guess something else/extra is needed. PUT can be used if they never want previous data to persist.03:03
ekcsif they want some previous data to persist and be used but not past a certain time, then timestampting works.03:04
ekcsvitrage works this way though: it sends notifications on all CHANGE. both alarm activate and alarm deactivate.03:04
ekcsso until we receive alarm deactivate, a previous alarm activate is still good.03:05
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ekcsif I remember correctly from masahito zabbix works similarly.03:05
masahitoAs we discussed, someone needs to take care of deleting the row in case of patch.03:05
masahitoIf no one take care it, there're lots of "noise" rows in the table.03:06
ekcsmasahito: right makes sense.03:06
masahitoOn the other hands, PUT also has Pros/Cons03:07
ramineni_ekcs: masahito: ok, may be we should clearly document that , when to use PATCH and PUT nd their use cases, so that end users will gain from both03:07
ramineni_and clear that when to use what operation03:08
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masahitosorry, less activities in gerrit. I'll write the details in the patch.03:08
masahitoah. patch means a patch on gerrit :-)03:08
ramineni_masahito: thanks, that would be helpful :)03:09
ekcsthanks masahito03:09
ramineni_more opinions , make the solution better :)03:09
ekcsI’ve been thinking about the whole generic issue on a broader level.03:09
ekcscongress is based on tables and rows.03:10
ekcssome sources can be configured to send what congress needs.03:10
ekcsbut many sources are fixed and send what they send.03:10
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ekcsit’s difficult to have a one solution for everyhing because the translation from the notifications into ultimately the rows congress needs is different in each case.03:12
ekcsnot just schema different, but fundamentally different.03:12
ekcssome sources send only add.03:12
ekcssome sources send all changes.03:13
ekcssome sources send notifications that don’t correspond to add and deletes at all.03:13
ekcsthe desired translation from notification into congress state is different in each case.03:14
ramineni_ekcs: right03:15
ekcsmaybe the best way to handle it is for congress to represent exactly what is sent, not try to translate into state.03:15
ekcsso instead of an alarms table.03:16
ekcswe have instead a notifications table.03:16
ekcsand then it’s up to the policy writer to do useful things with the notifications table, including writing the policy needed to translate to state.03:16
ramineni_ekcs: means , im not sure i got what you meant03:17
ekcsbasically instead of trying to put the customization in the driver, put the customization in the policy.03:17
ekcsok yea it’s a bit vague now. i’ll need to make it more concrete. i’ll share later.03:18
ramineni_ekcs: ok03:18
ekcsok well any other topics for now? =p03:19
ramineni_ekcs: reviews on driver loading part would be help, almost completed03:19
ekcsok great.03:20
ekcsI’ve reviewed the main patch.03:21
ekcsbut you’re talking about this one?
ekcsand thin one?
ramineni_ekcs: ya, added soltion for custom ones also, it works fine , WIP because need to add unit tests03:21
ramineni_ekcs: yes03:22
ekcsgreat I’ll take a look.03:22
ramineni_ekcs: thanks03:22
ramineni_ekcs: thats it from my side03:22
ekcsok then.03:22
ekcsI don’t have anything else either.03:22
ekcsI can’t figure out why importing from mistral_tempest_plugin fails here:
ekcsI think I did al lthe proper setup.03:24
ekcsif anyone has hints it’d be great =)03:24
ramineni_ekcs: sure, will have a look at it today03:24
ekcsok well let’s end then if nothing else.03:24
ekcsthanks everyone!03:25
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ramineni_Thanks All, Bye03:25
ekcsthanks ramineni_03:25
ekcsbye all.03:25
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ekcsbye masahito good to have you!03:27
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_drivers14:00
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mlavallehi amotoki14:04
mlavallelet's give yamamoto a few minutes14:05
mlavalleI know haleyb has a medical appointment today14:05
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mlavalleso he may not make it to the meeting14:05
yamamotosorry for being late14:05
mlavallewe have quorum today, so let's get going14:06
mlavalleThese are the triaged bugs we have today:14:07
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mlavalleFirst one is
openstackLaunchpad bug 1715386 in neutron "[RFE]Support routing traffic based on subnet" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to zhaobo (zhaobo6)14:08
mlavalleI see that the submitter uploaded a new revision of the spec:
mlavalleThat was last week. I didn't have time to go over it. Did you have time to look at it?14:09
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yamamotoi haven't noticed the new rev. i need to read.14:10
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amotokiI haven't looked thru it yet. I need to refresh my memory on this.14:10
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amotokihow is it going in general?14:11
mlavalleprogress has been slow14:11
mlavallesince Dublin14:11
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mlavalleI propose we take the homework of going through the latest revision of the spec and we discuss it next week14:12
mlavalledoes that work?14:12
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yamamotosounds good, except that i will be away next week :-)14:12
mlavalleyamamoto: ah, yeah. going anywhere fun?14:13
yamamotomidokura barcelona. i'm not sure it will be fun.14:13
mlavalleyamamoto: if you have time before leaving for vacation, please leave your comments in the spec14:13
mlavalleBarcelona can be enjoyable anyways, so try to have fun!14:14
amotokiyamamoto: enjoy your trip and barcerona!14:14
yamamotoit's unlikely but if i have time, sure14:14
amotokiit might be mixed in business and vacation though :)14:15
mlavalleand amotoki is an expert doing that. I understand he had a great time in Dublin, snowstorm notwithstanding14:15
mlavalleok, let's move on14:16
mlavalleNext one is
openstackLaunchpad bug 1723026 in neutron "[RFE]Support get device_ids from floatingips" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Hongbin Lu (
amotokiIIRC I need to comment yamamoto's suggestion, but I failed to have time to comment it14:17
mlavalleYeah, he proposed to have a new /ip_address resource14:18
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mlavalleon my employer side, the idea was shared with the team and was well received14:19
mlavalleif yamamoto's suggestion is accepted by the community, we would be happy to go with it14:19
amotokiyamamoto: in your idea of /ip_address resource, how is IP address overlapping handled?14:20
amotokiis it scoped into a project?14:20
yamamotoi don't know :-)14:21
mlavalleit probably should14:21
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amotokiI am wondering how we can handle this RFE and /ip_address resource idea, together or separately.14:22
amotokiIn my understanding, the idea of /ip_address is to allow users to query IP address detail regardless of fixed or floating IP, right?14:22
amotokithanks for the input.14:23
mlavalleMaybe we can add as a comment to the RFE the discussion we had a couple of weeks ago (and also this week) and then let the submitter further develop it14:24
amotokiyeah, I will comment it this week.14:24
amotokialso we need to add some links to the meeting logs14:24
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mlavalleyeah, we probably need to flesh it out a little bit in the RFE14:25
hongbin_I also feel that the idea of /ip-address has a much broader scope of the original RFE, handle it separately might be better14:25
amotokihongbin_: tend to agree with you.14:25
mlavallehongbin_: would you help us flesh it out in a separte RFE?14:26
hongbin_mlavalle: yes, I can try14:26
mlavallehongbin_: great! my concern wasn't as much the RFEs itself. it was rather how to give continuity to the idea.14:27
mlavalleThe other point then is, what do we do with the current RFE?14:27
mlavalledo we close it and point to the new one?14:28
hongbin_one option is to follow amotoki's idea to add port detailed information to the floating ip resource with an API extension14:28
mlavalleclose it after amotoki's comments maybe?14:28
mlavallehongbin_: yeah, that is an option too14:29
amotokimlavalle: does 'close' mean 'approved' or 'superseded by others'?14:29
mlavalleamotoki: when I wrote my comment, I was thinking "superseded'14:29
amotokimy understanding is that this RFE would like to provide more information on associated port.14:30
mlavallebut maybe, as hongbin_ suggested, not necessarily. we can follow your comment in #1814:30
amotokiso it sounds reasonable to provide more information14:30
hongbin_yes, we have two RFEs, one RFE is for adding information to /floatingip resource, the other RFE is for introducing the /ip-address endpoint14:31
amotokiit allows us to do like "openstack floating ip show <IP>" to get port detail14:31
mlavalleyeah that makes sense14:31
mlavalleso maybe we approve this one and let hongbin_ propose the new one14:33
mlavallewould that work?14:33
amotokiworks for me.14:33
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amotokihongbin_: btw, do you mean 'resource' by 'endpoint'?14:35
mlavalleyamamoto: what do you think?14:35
yamamotothe sole purpose of this rfe is to save the number of api calls, right?14:35
hongbin_amotoki: yes :)14:35
amotokiyamamoto: that's my understanding.14:36
yamamotoi wonder if there will be a trade off.14:36
amotokithere are two point: (1) more detail on port for a specific IP address and (2) to provide an easy way to query resources by IP address14:36
yamamotoi.e. returning more stuff might make the call slower14:37
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hongbin_yes, this is a good point14:37
mlavallebut currently we return port data anyways14:37
amotokigood point. i think it depends on how two resources are coupled tightly14:37
hongbin_one option is to introduce a config to disable this behavior14:38
mlavalleI think we are retrieving the port anyway. sending the device_id of the port in the response won't add much14:38
amotokiit is potentially confusing if API behavior changes depending on a config14:38
yamamotomlavalle: which port data?14:38
hongbin_amotoki: yes, agree with that14:39
amotokiyamamoto: as an operator, when we look up FIP, we usually query a port associated with that FIP, so I think it is a reasonable compromise to include a port data in a FIP response.14:40
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amotokiwe can discuss whether we will return extended attributes though as  it needs more db joined query.14:42
yamamotoif it's common for the API user to query the port anyway, i have no problem with the rfe. (i don't know if it's so common)14:42
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mlavallein this case, the specific interest of the RFE is to return the device_id, which is in the Port table14:43
mlavalleso no extended attributes would be needed14:43
hongbin_yes, the cost is possibly an addition 'join'14:43
amotokiI agree device_id is most interesting field. in most cases, we would like to know which server is associated.14:44
mlavallein the L3 code this is where we get the fip:
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amotokiyeah, if we go to this route, the next question would be whether _get_floatingip() should fetch a port or FIP.get_object() should do it.14:46
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amotokiin other words, it is in API layer only vs in the object layer, but it might be beyond the RFE scope.14:48
yamamotoideally we can make the rest api powerful enough to represent a join :-)14:48
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hongbin_we could have a query parameter called --extra-info, then neutron server can read this parameter and do a 'join' with the Port table14:49
mlavalleI personally think it is not much extra overhead14:51
hongbin_yes, possibly14:51
mlavalleLooking at the FIP OVO code
mlavallewe already do enough joins there with port for this to make much of a difference14:52
mlavallecase in point
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yamamotoget_scoped_floating_ips is for l3 agent rpc, not for the rest api, right?14:53
mlavalleyeah, you may be right14:54
amotokiyes, it is for l3-agent, but the number of l3-agent calls tend to be more than the number of API calls.14:54
amotokiso I don't think it introduces extra much cost14:55
mlavalleyeah, me neither14:55
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yamamotoif you have l3 agents, it might be.14:55
mlavalleespecially if we limit this to just the attributes in the Port table14:55
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mlavallewhich addresses the needs of the current RFE14:56
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-amotoki- time check: 3min14:57
mlavalleI say +1 on the RFE14:57
amotokime too14:57
yamamotohonestly, i can't say if the cost matters or not without having numbers.14:57
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mlavalleso let's move ahead with it14:58
mlavallescoping it to the attributes in the Port's table14:58
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mlavalleok, cool14:58
mlavallewe ran out of time14:59
mlavallegreat discussion14:59
amotokiat least we can say FIP API (even with Port joined query) would less cost compared to network or port APIs14:59
mlavallethe discussion is the point of this meeting14:59
mlavalleSee you next week14:59
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mlavalleyamamoto: enjoy your trip to Barcelona!15:00
amotokithanks all15:00
yamamotothank you15:00
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smcginnis#startmeeting releaseteam15:00
openstackMeeting started Fri Apr  6 15:00:37 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at
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smcginnisPing dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, lbragstad, ttx, armstrong, annabelleB15:01
smcginnis#link Agenda15:01
smcginnis~line 7715:01
smcginnisMy internet connection has been a bit flakey this morning, so just in case...15:01
smcginnis#chair dhellmann15:02
openstackCurrent chairs: dhellmann smcginnis15:02
smcginnis#chair ttx15:02
openstackCurrent chairs: dhellmann smcginnis ttx15:02
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smcginnis#topic Review days15:02
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smcginnisI just wanted to quick bring this up.15:02
smcginnisWe had picked days in Queens, but we ran out of time in Dublin before we got around to that for Rocku.15:03
smcginnisI've been basically sticking to what it was, but reviewing more here and there.15:03
dhellmannI keep intending to review on Mondays, but someone keeps approving all of the requests before I get to them15:04
* dhellmann looks pointedly at smcginnis 15:04
smcginnisHah! :)15:04
ttxsmcginnis does indeed steal reviews15:04
smcginnisIf Monday's work better for you, I can pick a different day.15:04
ttxprobably a stackalytics thing15:04
smcginnisAt the bottom of the plan etherpad is the list.15:04
smcginnisLOL, totally padding those stats. :D15:05
dhellmannhey, worked for me ;-)15:05
dhellmannI can take tuesday15:05
smcginnisdhellmann: Feel free to swap our names if that is better for you.15:05
ttxsmcginnis: 10 more and you beat EmilienM15:05
dhellmannand I can pitch in on other days if you like15:05
dhellmannsmcginnis : nah, it doesn't matter, I just didn't realize we'd changed up.15:05
ttxand here I thought nobody could beat AJaeger15:06
EmilienMwhat's up?15:06
dhellmannany day works fine for me15:06
smcginnisttx: Ooh, now I'm really going to have to devote some review time.15:06
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ttxEmilienM: you're just at the other end of a joke we run on smcginnis , sorry for the spurious notification15:06
smcginnisI think AJaeger is untouchable. ;)15:06
dhellmannwhen we create the award for "most reviews" we'll have to call it the Jaeger Meister award15:06
ttxEmilienM: if you don't want that, stop reviewing so much stuff15:06
EmilienMttx: I just fix typos with a bash script15:07
ttxdhellmann: slow clap15:07
evrardjpdhellmann: haha15:07
EmilienMthat's my job15:07
smcginnisdhellmann: ++!15:07
ttxthe trick is we really don't want such an award15:07
dhellmannvery true15:07
smcginnisJust like jaeger miester15:07
EmilienMrename readme.rst to README.rst can be very tricky15:07
dhellmannbut I had to make the joke :-)15:07
dhellmannsmcginnis : ha!15:07
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smcginnisttx: Are you able to have a designated review day, or should we fill in where we can?15:08
ttxto be fair, EmilienM AJaeger mwhahaha and smcginnis have consistently been #1-4 in total reviews15:08
ttxfor like 4 cycles15:09
smcginnisOh really. Now I need to take a look.15:09
ttxso it's probably not a random thing15:09
ttx3 cycles. In Ocata that damn stevemar made #415:10
ttxthat was a tangent, sorry15:10
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ttxfriday afternoon, beer, etc15:10
ttxso yes I'm up for keeping Wednesdays15:11
dhellmannnoted in the etherpad15:11
smcginnisCool, thanks.15:11
smcginnisThursday can just be whoever can get to them until we get another core I guess. :)15:11
smcginnis#topic Team availability around r-1 week15:11
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smcginnisttx: Is there an issue here? Holiday month concerns?15:12
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smcginnisR-1 (Aug 20 - Aug 24) [ r-finalrc ]15:12
smcginnisR-0 (Aug 27 - Aug 31) [ r-release, r-trailing-rc ]15:12
ttxno, rocky-115:12
ttxwe are both away15:12
dhellmann2 weeks from now the first milestone15:13
ttxwanted to flag to dhellmann15:13
smcginnisOh, milestone 1.15:13
dhellmannyeah, thanks for the heads-up15:13
dhellmannI can try to make sure I'm around15:13
ttxsmcginnis: I'll be in Florence. What's YOUR excuse ?15:13
ttxAlso, I blame flaper8715:13
ttxAlways a safe bet15:13
smcginnisOh, chaperoning a group of high school students in Chicago. I may need a good excuse to sit quietly in a corner with my laptop, so probably not an issue.15:14
smcginnisAnd I'm just out Thursday/Friday, so hopefully most of the fun is over by then.15:14
ttxok so we should have critical mass around15:14
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smcginnisYep, I do plan on at least checking in as I can.15:15
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smcginnisFirst milestone is usually pretty tame anyway I think.15:15
smcginnisWell, except when your entire infrastructure changes out and breaks things. :)15:15
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dhellmannyes, let's try not doing that this cycle15:16
* smcginnis crosses fingers15:16
evrardjpI heard zuul v4 is gonna be great15:16
smcginnis#topic Progress converting RelMgt rocky plan into a StoryBoard board15:16
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smcginnisevrardjp: Hah!15:16
dhellmannwhere did we come down on tagging for the milestone if projects don't?15:16
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smcginnisI don't think we pushed it until later last cycle.15:17
ttxi think we said we'd force it15:17
ttxah hm15:17
smcginnisMaybe we should catch those right away this time around and press the issue.15:17
ttxwell no then15:17
evrardjpisn't there a risk if we do it automatically that nobody will care and nobody will request releases anymore ?15:17
smcginnis#topic Tagging for missing projects15:18
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smcginnisevrardjp: Yeah, I do think that is a concern.15:18
smcginnisWe ideally want everything driven by the projects.15:18
dhellmannright, that's why we haven't done it before15:18
smcginnisWith the release team just here to help.15:18
dhellmannhowever, some teams keep missing the early ones15:18
evrardjpdhellmann: do we know why?15:19
dhellmannmostly they seem to forget15:19
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dhellmannit feels like it's correlated with a PTL's first term, but I haven't run numbers15:19
smcginnisI will try to highlight the issue in the next release countdown email, but I think the ones that miss the milestones are not the ones reading those.15:19
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dhellmannI feel like we agreed what to do, I just don't remember15:20
dhellmanndid we write it down in dublin?15:20
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smcginnisProbably early the following week we should take inventory of who missed and try to reach out to those PTLs directly.15:20
evrardjpsmcginnis: manual ping to remember to read this email?15:20
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evrardjpasking ack15:21
dhellmannline 70 of
smcginnisevrardjp: I was thinking "hey, you missed the deadline. THis is important. Please let us know your situation." kind of thing.15:21
smcginnisSo a TODO for me.15:22
smcginnisWish we would have expanded on those notes a little more.15:22
dhellmanndid we announce that?15:22
smcginnisBut I will start with that info in the countdown.15:22
dhellmannthe change15:22
smcginnisNot really. :/15:22
smcginnisI probably should have started bringing it up in this last countdown.15:22
smcginnisI'll see if I can draft a separate email specifically for this.15:23
smcginnis#action smcginnis to post to ML about missing milestone plan15:23
smcginnisAnything more we should discuss on that for now?15:23
dhellmannI don't see anything in the feb or mar archives15:24
dhellmannunless it was in a countdown email15:24
smcginnisdhellmann: What kind of thing?15:24
dhellmannan announcement of the change15:24
smcginnisNo, I did not send anything.15:24
smcginnisBut I will plan to now.15:25
dhellmannsounds good15:25
smcginnis#topic Progress converting RelMgt rocky plan into a StoryBoard board15:25
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smcginnisSpeaking of things I should have done by now...15:25
smcginnisI have not put anything into storyboard from our rocky planning.15:25
dhellmannI thought we were each supposed to take our tasks? divide the work up?15:25
ttxI updated a number of things on the etherpad this morning and was wondering...15:26
smcginnisdhellmann: That would be ideal I think.15:26
ttxI'd be fine with that15:26
smcginnisEach take the tasks with our names by them and add it.15:26
dhellmannI think I already did mine15:26
smcginnisAnything not assigned, I can go back through and try to clean up.15:26
smcginnisdhellmann: Cool, thanks.15:26
ttxdhellmann: under openstack/releases ?15:26
flaper87ttx: blaming me is always a safe bet! :D15:27
dhellmannttx: yes15:27
ttxAlso was wondering if we should build a common board15:27
dhellmannsure, we could do that15:27
dhellmannI didn't go that far15:27
ttxlike a "Rocky plan" board15:27
dhellmannI wasn't sure if we wanted to manage a worklist by hand or use tags to create a board that updates automatically15:27
smcginnisdhellmann, ttx: You two probably have more experience with that functionality in sb than I do.15:28
dhellmannI guess it depends on how many different items we have and how much we want to "track" the work15:28
dhellmannour list is usually not very long15:29
ttxI was thinking it was the only way to have a per-cycle plan there15:29
ttxand have HIGH TODO . TODO / InProgress / Backlog columns15:29
dhellmannah, sure, if you want priority columns then a board is probably best15:29
dhellmannwere you thinking we'd update it by hand?15:30
ttxmove things around yes15:30
dhellmannoh, and I didn't import backlog items15:30
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dhellmannat least I don't think I did; I guess I would have if it had my name on it15:30
dhellmannso I could set up a board, unless smcginnis wants to use it as a learning opportunity :-)15:31
smcginnisdhellmann: I probably do need to learn at some point, but if you can for now that would be appreciated.15:31
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dhellmannfeel free to edit/add comments there15:32
smcginnis#topic Remove leftover stable/queens pre-release ACL15:32
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ttxoh that one was just to flag a standing review to fungi15:33
smcginnisOK, he mentioned he would be out during the meeting but back later.15:33
smcginnisSo hopefully he sees this and takes a look.15:33
smcginnisLooks pretty straight forward.15:33
smcginnisttx: Did we finalize the thread about changing ACLs during RC?15:35
ttxI just need to clean up ACLs now15:35
smcginnisOK, good.15:35
ttxwhich is dependent on that TC resolution15:36
smcginnis#topic Open discussion15:36
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smcginnisAnything else we should discuss in the meeting?15:36
dhellmannnothing from me15:37
smcginnisOK, we can get back to it then. Thanks everyone.15:38
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