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eumel8good morning07:00
ianychoieumel8, hello07:00
eumel8#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting07:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr  5 07:00:53 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.07:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.07:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'07:00
eumel8hi ianychoi! how it's going?07:01
ianychoieumel8, hello :) I am good - how about u?07:01
eumel8just reached the office and would have a long day :)07:02
eumel8#topic Open Discussion07:02
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eumel8so , no special topics on the agenda. so we're free in discussion07:03
ianychoieumel8, sorry I have been an abrupt call.07:04
ianychoiI need to leave after 30 mins but I can talk now :)07:04
eumel8np07:05
ianychoiYesterday, I attended to Docs team meeting07:06
eumel8just wondering I've got no answer on my last e-mail to you. Hopefully you're not too shocked :)07:06
eumel8oh, there were a Docs team meeting? Interesting, but I missed it.07:07
ianychoiI asked https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545377/ and Monty commented on the first patch.07:07
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ianychoiFor the second, I think I need to explain a little bit more on overall procedure on how to support project doc translations07:07
ianychoiand how to build translated documents07:08
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ianychoieumel8, ah sorry for not replying your last e-mail. I just recognized the current situation but do not have any idea how to help you.07:08
eumel8ianychoi: ok,. I think it's the best progress for translation check site, because so we *have* a progress07:11
ianychoieumel8, IMO maybe we can get more idea during the upcoming Summit?07:12
eumel8ianychoi: Yes, sure, maybe together with the OSA team. I asked Andy already07:14
ianychoiSounds GREAT!07:14
eumel8on the other hand I wouldn't spend to much time for that, because we waste a lot on the last PTG for that.07:14
eumel8better looking forward for project doc translations07:14
ianychoiOkay07:15
eumel8let me check Monty's comment07:15
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ianychoiMonty's comment is mainly related with PDF builds, not project doc translation, but both needs the change of the same place - PTI07:15
eumel8got it07:16
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eumel8and for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545377/  ? You need also input from Monty or just go ahead?07:19
ianychoieumel8, I will ask again with more concrete description on what I want to do for project doc translation07:20
ianychoilike a spec with some infra perspective and that is what pkovar suggested yesterday on Docs meeting07:21
eumel8ianychoi: ok, because I have no idea how I can help or pushing this thing forward07:21
ianychoieumel8, I will start WIP spec and share with u and others - plz help to remove WIP then :)07:22
ianychoieumel8, Can I ask the status on Edge Compute Whitepaper translation: when translated docs will be on production http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2018-March/003208.html ?07:22
eumel8ianychoi: alright07:23
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ianychoiAnd your review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557848/ would be much appreciated - I forgot reflecting language landing pages, which would be more important part.07:24
ianychoiNote that some design issues (regarding your comment) were discussed yesterday: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129063.html07:24
eumel8for edge computing doc they are still puzzle the chinese version, I will ask for the status in KR and DE07:24
ianychoiThank you! :)07:25
eumel8ianychoi: done07:28
eumel8I have also open reviews in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/i18n+status:open07:28
ianychoiAha I see - can I see them a few hours later?07:29
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amotokiI forgot to forward nothinng on the edge compute whitepaper translation to the local community. perhaps most interested folks have read the original version though.07:29
eumel8ianychoi: sure ;)07:29
ianychoiThere will be User Group/Ambassador discussion and I would like to attend to this Forum session in Vancouver Summit: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-UG-Ambassador07:29
ianychoiAs a Korea user group leader, I would like to discuss how translation team is going with other user groups07:30
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eumel8ianychoi: great. I would also try to attend.07:30
ianychoieumel8, sorry I need to leave soon.07:31
eumel8amotoki: the pull for the Edge Computing White Paper came from Chinese people, so there is also the most progress07:31
eumel8ianychoi: ok, see you later07:32
ianychoieumel8, yes I will ping u after several hours if you are online :)07:32
ianychoieumel8, Have a good day!07:32
eumel8thx :)07:32
amotokieumel8: I cannot get your point. I mean Japan UG by "the local community"07:34
eumel8amotoki: When I understand you right, your local community reads the original document in English. But Chinese people wants to have the document in their language to spread the content more in their country07:36
amotokieumel8: I see. It depends on countries.07:36
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eumel8amotoki: yes, I think it's similar in German. Most of the people reading things in English07:37
amotokiJapanese folks tend to prefer to local version too if available07:37
amotokibut as of now I cannot imagine we Japanese community get enough translators compared to reading English version07:38
amotokino worries. it is my feeling07:39
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-amotoki- has no topic. lurks again07:42
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eumel8#endmeeting07:49
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Apr  5 07:49:03 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)07:49
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mriedemdoh, dst13:03
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melwitt#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr  5 14:00:13 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is melwitt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
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melwitthowdy everyone14:00
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melwittlet's get started14:01
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melwitt#topic Release News14:01
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melwitt#link Rocky release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Rocky_Release_Schedule14:01
melwittnext milestone is r-1 on Apr 19, two weeks from now14:01
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melwittspec freeze this cycle is r-2 Jun 714:02
melwitt#link Rocky review runways: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-runways-rocky14:02
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melwittcurrent runway status:14:02
melwitt#link runway #1: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/update-provider-tree14:02
melwitt#link runway #2: privsep series starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55192114:02
melwitt#link runway #3: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/nova-validate-certificates14:02
mriedemo/14:03
melwittthanks to everyone for making runway reviews a priority. been seeing lots of activity on runway reviews14:03
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melwittwe were able to remove https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/placement-req-filter from a runway early as all of the non-WIP patches merged well before the runway end date14:04
melwittso we've moved it out to the Log area on the etherpad (we'll add notes when we remove a blueprint to capture how it went)14:04
melwittand https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nova-validate-certificates was moved into the vacated runway14:04
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melwittdoes anyone have anything else on release news?14:05
efried#1 is down to one patch which already has Jay's +2, and it's pretty small.  Should be an easy one.14:05
melwittnice14:05
efriedI lied.14:05
melwittnot nice14:05
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efriedDown to one patch in the main series.  Three patches overall.  But they're all easy :)14:06
mriedemmerge conflict on one14:06
efriedsigh, working it now...14:06
melwittcool. anything else on release news or runways?14:06
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melwitt#topic Bugs (stuck/critical)14:07
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melwittno critical bugs in the link14:07
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melwitt#link 37 new untriaged bugs (up 1 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New14:07
melwittnot making a dent on bug triage lately so we need to try and get some more bugs triaged14:08
mriedemhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1761405 is a duplicate i think, will dig14:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1761405 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "impossible to disable notifications" [Undecided,New]14:08
mriedemi at least remember talking to gibi about that14:08
melwitta-ha, cool14:08
melwitthere are the instructions for bug triage, makes it a lot easier IMHO:14:09
melwitt#link bug triage how-to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags14:09
melwitt#link 9 untagged untriaged bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW14:09
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melwitt#help tag untagged untriaged bugs with appropriate tags to categorize them14:09
melwittnext I'm going to link some categories that have some untriaged bugs in them:14:09
melwitt#link 3 untriaged cells bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=cells+&field.status%3Alist=NEW14:09
melwitt#link 2 untriaged ceph bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=ceph+&field.status%3Alist=NEW14:10
melwitt#link 2 untriaged console bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=console+&field.status%3Alist=NEW14:10
melwitt#link 6 untriaged libvirt bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=libvirt+&field.status%3Alist=NEW14:10
melwitt#link 5 untriaged live-migration bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=live-migration+&field.status%3Alist=NEW14:10
melwitt#help If you have familiarity with any of these categories, please help triage (set validity and importance)14:10
melwittI'll be looking at some of these too14:11
melwittGate status:14:11
mriedemi can do one of these now :)14:11
melwittyesss14:11
melwittthank you mriedem14:11
mriedemi get a prize?14:12
melwitthm, maybe. we'll have to see what we have in the prize bin14:12
melwittI wanted to shout out to takashin, thanks for all of the bug triage in novaclient land14:12
melwittokay, now Gate status14:13
melwitt#link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html14:13
melwittanecdotally I've seen a lot of TIMED_OUT in the gate lately14:13
mriedemsame14:13
mriedemwithin the last 24 hours14:13
melwittyeah14:13
melwittAFAIK there's been no announcement from infra about it14:14
melwittmight have to ask them if it's still going on today14:14
melwittlast night I also noticed this bug seems back in the gate https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/170728414:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1707296 in os-brick "duplicate for #1707284 Bad logic in ISCSIConnector._get_potential_volume_paths" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Mathieu Gagné (mgagne)14:14
melwittI added a comment at the bottom14:14
dansmiththey fixed it14:15
dansmithit was one provider and they were taxing something with too many threads14:15
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melwittI see it in logstash starting on 2018-03-2614:15
dansmiththey merged a change that seemed to fix it, per late last nigh14:15
melwittoh, the new one?14:15
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melwittoh good14:15
melwittalright well that's ideal :) already fixed14:15
melwitt3rd party CI:14:16
melwitt#link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days14:16
melwittI haven't noticed anything unusual with 3rd party CI lately14:16
mriedemvmware seems to be much more active now14:17
cdentI can report that although it hasn't quite bedded in yet the number of compute resources now dedicated to vmware ci has been increased, and the previous limitations on what is tested have been relaxed. so that should improve a bit14:17
cdentjinx14:17
mriedemthanks for pushing that14:17
melwitt+1 thanks cdent14:17
cdenti shook my fist a lot14:17
melwittheh14:17
cdentdag nabbit, etc14:17
melwittanything else on bugs or gate status?14:18
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melwitt#topic Reminders14:18
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melwitt#link Rocky Review Priorities https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-nova-priorities-tracking14:18
dansmithI haven't been looking at this since runways14:19
dansmithI assume that page is dead/old news right?14:19
mriedemit has bugs and other things14:19
melwittI'm still using it to find subteam reviews and trivial bugs if people have them there14:19
dansmithbut also has priorities that aren't14:19
dansmithmaybe it just needs some restructuring?14:19
edleafeWe are going to use that etherpad to help prioritize the outstanding specs/reviews for Placement14:20
edleafeJust need to find the time :)14:20
melwittyeah, maybe I should clean that up. I wasn't sure if it was confusing anyone14:20
melwittI still want virt driver teams, subteams, bugs to be able to be surfaced somewhere for finding14:20
melwitt*subteams reviews14:20
melwitt#action melwitt to restructure priorities etherpad to not sound conflicting with runways14:21
melwittdoes anyone else have any reminders?14:21
dansmith"non-priority approved blueprints" for example should go away I think14:21
melwittah, true14:21
melwitt#topic Stable branch status14:22
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melwitt#link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/queens,n,z14:22
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melwittonly one review14:22
melwitt#link Queens 17.0.2 released on 2018-04-02: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557704/14:22
melwitthttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z14:23
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melwitt#link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z14:23
melwitt4 reviews14:23
melwitt#link Pike 16.1.1 released on 2018-04-02 :https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558130/14:23
melwittthanks to all the stable branch reviewers for helping get those releases out14:23
melwitt#link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z14:24
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melwittlots of stuff for ocata14:24
melwittand I still have a TODO to investigate some things there, like func test failures on a backport, along with ceph CI14:25
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melwittbranchless tempest broke ceph CI on ocata and I'm still figuring out what needs to be done to fix it. needs an update to the volume tests to sync with the tempest change that happened14:25
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melwittanything else on stable branch status?14:26
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melwitt#topic Subteam Highlights14:27
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melwittdansmith: cells v2?14:27
dansmithwe had a meeting,14:27
dansmithwe discussed a couple new bugs with v1 that the cern people are going to work on14:27
dansmithand acknowledged that we have some open reviews to get to14:27
dansmithand that's pretty much it.14:27
melwittnice, thanks14:27
melwittedleafe: scheduler?14:27
edleafeA light crowd; many were off for $spring_holiday14:28
edleafeWe started by recognizing that we are overloaded. There are 18 specs still under review, and 30 patch series.14:28
edleafeWe need to prioritize, and it was suggested that we use the Nova priorities etherpad as a starting point.14:28
edleafeWe discussed 3 patches that change behavior:14:28
edleafe* Change provider summaries to include all resource info (currently just the requested resources)14:28
edleafe* "Anchor" providers, such as a compute node that doesn't provide its own resources, but is associated with a sharing aggregate that does.14:28
edleafe* Add the anchor provider to allocation requests, albeit with no resources to claim.14:28
edleafeThe net result of these discussions is that, given the workload we have, these should be pushed off until Stein.14:28
edleafeefried confused alex_xu with his use of the word "broughten"14:28
edleafeThat's it.14:28
efriedexcept I changed my mind since tetsuro responded to that line of thought.14:28
edleafeoh?14:29
efriedI now feel we do indeed need that stuff for nested to work sanely; and should therefore roll it into the nrp-in-alloc-cands bp/spec14:29
efriedLeft some notes on that spec accordingly; and jaypipes still owes a comeback on the email thread.14:29
edleafegotcha14:30
efriedSince the code is basically done, folding it into the existing bp/spec/microversion for nrp will have the bonus side effect of reducing the paperwork load.14:30
cdentmagic14:30
melwittso the thing we're going to go ahead and do this cycle and not push off to stein is the 3 behavior change patches?14:31
efriedI wouldn't say it's definitely decided yet, but that's the proposal, yes.14:31
melwittk14:31
efriedmaybe tricky to finagle so all the behavior changes trigger at the same microversion bump even though they're spread across half a dozen patches, but...14:32
efriedsuch is life.14:32
melwittfor the notification subteam, gibi is still on vacay and there's not a meeting till he's back the week of Apr 1614:32
mriedemi've got a thing there14:32
melwittk14:33
mriedemhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1761405 has come up before, i think there is a workaround by setting the notification driver to 'noop',14:33
openstackLaunchpad bug 1761405 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "impossible to disable notifications" [Low,Confirmed]14:33
mriedemwhich means we'll still generate a payload, just to send it to dev/null14:33
mriedembut at least it doesn't put load on the rpc queue14:33
mriedemotherwise i emailed gibi about that one so we can talk about it when he's back14:33
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mriedem<end/>14:34
melwittcool, thanks. sounds good14:34
melwittanything else on subteams?14:35
melwitt#topic Stuck Reviews14:35
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melwittno items in the agenda. does anyone have any stuck reviews?14:35
kashyapProbably no one had any stuck reviews, then :-)14:36
mriedemi might have one14:36
mriedemwell it's jay's14:36
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/545057/14:36
mriedemi don't know if that's stuck, but it's the one to mirror nova host aggregates to placement14:36
dansmithdo you disagree with the fundamental idea of mirroring?14:36
mriedemi'm a bit uneasy with it14:37
mriedemit feels very much like proxy stuff to neutron that we stopped doing back in newton14:37
dansmithto me,14:37
dansmithit feels like nova using an external service as means to an end14:37
dansmithlike,14:37
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dansmithwe report data into placement so the scheduler can make effective queries there14:37
dansmithwe could still do our scheduling in-house, but we don't want to do it all,14:37
dansmithso our computes report data that our scheduler can use to make queries14:38
dansmiththis seems to me to be the same thing14:38
mriedemi can maybe buy that14:38
dansmithcomputes report resource data I mean14:38
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mriedemanyway, i guess i'll think about that some more :)14:39
dansmithhah, okay14:39
mriedemsince no one else is jumping in here14:39
melwittI'll check out the spec and comment there. I haven't read through it yet14:40
melwittcool, thanks for bringing that up14:40
melwittany other stuck reviews?14:40
mriedemthere was the other one, about createBackup14:40
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mriedembut i guess we're waiting to hear about actual user usage14:40
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melwittoh, yeah. I added openstack-operators@ to that thread14:40
melwitton the ML14:41
mriedemi asked internally,14:41
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mriedemand our public cloud doesn't use the API (disables? doesn't expose in the UI?),14:41
mriedemand our private cloud product apparently has it but doesn't hear that it's used14:41
dansmithis the suggestion that we quietly disallow zero?14:42
mriedemno,14:42
mriedemsuggestion is i think to just deprecate it14:42
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mriedemif it's not used14:42
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dansmithokay so disallow in a microversion14:42
melwittthe original proposal was to nix the unnecessary create backup when '0' is passed14:42
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melwitt*spec proposal14:43
dansmithokay I remember getting some of it in my head at ptg, but it's all out at this point14:43
melwittwhich implied someone is using '0' to purge backups14:43
mriedemdisallow 0 and add a deleteBackups API14:43
mriedemin a new mv14:43
dansmithmriedem: yeah14:43
melwittbut it hasn't been clear to me if people are really using it or if someone found weirdness in the API and wanted to fix it just cause, or what14:43
dansmithmriedem: I mean that seems valid regardless14:43
mriedemalex asked in the spec review if we should just deprecate the api since it's a proxy to glance14:43
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dansmithso tbh,14:44
dansmithin my own usage of nova,14:44
mriedemi.e. i think you can do all of this yourself by creating a snapshot with metadata and then controlling the rotation in glance yourself14:44
dansmithwhenever I need to make a backup, I just create a snapshot and name it myself because I don't want to go read the docs on backup :)14:44
kashyapAlso, maybe this is tangetial (& should bring up on -nova): Do clouds care about back ups?  I was asked by the QEMU / libvirt folks who're fixing some backup infrastructure.14:44
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dansmithkashyap: yes they definitely do in this sense of the word14:44
dansmithkashyap: it's about snapshotting instances before you make a change14:45
kashyapRight; I was also asked about do people ever ask for "incremental backups"14:45
mriedemnot that i know of,14:45
kashyap(Anyway, that's a discussion for -nova.)14:45
mriedemalthough i think with the rbd imagebackend you can enable fast snapshots using incremental backups in ceph14:46
mriedembut that's not something the end user knows about from the API14:46
kashyapmriedem: I see; the most appealing part of "incremental backups" is it saves bandwidth --14:46
kashyapAs long as you have a chain of deltas, copying the incremental from the last delta is probably smaller than copying the entire disk.14:46
dansmithany dedup'ing storage will give you effective incrementals14:46
dansmithlet's not get mired in that though14:46
kashyapYep14:46
dansmithbecause that's not what is stuck14:46
dansmithmriedem: I think it's legit to just deprecate zero and add deleteBackup going forward,14:46
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mriedemso i guess we hold on this spec until we hear more14:46
dansmitheven if it's lightly used because it's a clearer API14:46
melwittyeah, I've been a soft +1 on it since it's so easy to do14:47
dansmithif we want to remove it entirely because it's "just a proxy" then that's a stickier discussion to me14:47
dansmithI know you can do it externally, and that would be a reason not to add it,14:47
dansmithbut meh, it's there14:47
melwittyeah, fair14:48
mriedemit would be nice if the NTT people actually confirmed they have users complaining about this14:48
dansmithyeah, Idon't want to do this just because it's a theoretical thing to clean up14:48
melwittsame. that was my concern. I noticed the spec is light on use case14:48
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melwitt#link ML thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2018-April/015092.html14:49
dansmithI think we should move on14:49
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melwittk. I'll ask the author again about users14:49
melwittanything other topics for stuck reviews?14:50
melwitt*any14:50
melwitt#topic Open discussion14:50
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melwitttwo items on the agenda:14:50
melwitt(hshiina) specless blueprint request: ironic rescue mode https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ironic-rescue-mode14:50
melwittalso says ironic work was done in queens14:51
mriedemthis was previously approved in pike and queens,14:51
mriedembut always slid waiting for the ironic stuff to merge,14:51
dansmithI notice that future mriedem commented on the blueprint14:51
mriedemwhich i think the ironicclient changes landed right around FF for queens14:51
mriedempast mriedem?14:51
dansmiththe code patch seems to have some ironicclient versioning stuff up in the air14:52
dansmithmriedem 2019101114:52
melwittheh14:52
mriedemha14:52
mriedemfixed14:52
mriedemanyway, +1 on re-approval14:52
mriedemfor the bp14:52
melwittI'm +1 too14:53
melwittany other opinions?14:53
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melwittokay, sounds like no one is against it and we have two +1s, so I'll re-approve it14:54
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hshiinathank you14:54
melwittthanks for reminding us about it14:54
melwittlast on the agenda:14:55
melwitt(kashyap) RFC: Next minimum libvirt / QEMU versions for "Stein" release14:55
melwitt#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129048.html14:55
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kashyapYeah, so this is the top-level link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128937.html14:55
kashyapmriedem: You might be interested in this, as you were asking about it too14:55
dansmiththis seemed to be uncontentious on the ML, did I miss something?14:55
mriedemi haven't heard any disagreements in the ML thread14:55
kashyapYeah, mriedem There is one point though: About Debian14:55
mriedemkashyap: did you get a reply from zigo for debian?14:55
kashyapNot yet; I talked to Debian folks on #debian-backports14:56
kashyapmriedem: I posted a quick summary of it here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558171/14:56
kashyapIn exchange w/ johnthetubaguy14:56
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kashyapmriedem: If zigo or anyone doesn't do the backports as noted above14:57
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zigomriedem: About what?14:57
kashyap(We might be stuck with one version lower - see the discussion on the list / review.)14:57
zigoo/14:57
kashyapzigo: Hi there, see my last comment here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558171/14:57
mriedemand http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128937.html14:58
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kashyapzigo: In short: Is it possible for Debian 'stretch' users to get libvirt 3.2.0 and QEMU 2.9.0 or higher via any other way?14:58
mriedemwe need to move this to -nova14:59
kashyapYeah; can move there14:59
zigoDebian Sid has 4.1.0-2, stable has 3.0.014:59
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melwittwe have less than a minute left14:59
kashyapzigo: Yep, that I'm aware.14:59
kashyapzigo: Let's move this to -nova14:59
melwittokay, we'll continue this discussion in -nova14:59
melwittthanks all14:59
melwitt#endmeeting14:59
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lhinds#chair gagehugo15:02
openstackCurrent chairs: gagehugo lhinds15:02
lhinds#topic agenda15:02
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lhinds#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda15:02
gagehugolhinds I slimmed down the agenda a bit, feel free to undo any of that if it was too much15:02
lhindsgagehugo: no, good job..it had some stale stuff in there.15:02
lhindsgagehugo: i prefer this look15:03
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lhindsgagehugo: has the guy from Tatu been able to make the meeting?15:03
gagehugohe reached out to me a few weeks ago, but otherwise I haven't seen him15:03
gagehugocould email him and see if he can make this time?15:04
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lhindsgagehugo: ack, will drop him an email for next meeting15:04
lhindsany one have other items they would like to add?15:04
lhinds(agenda that is)15:04
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lhindsk, so I think we can skip documentation15:05
lhindsno patches need review and no key items as far as I am aware15:05
lhinds#topic Keystone Threat Analysis15:05
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lhindsnice work on the patches gagehugo15:06
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gagehugo\o/ almost there15:06
lhindswhats the current state of the VMT +2ing? (goes to take a look.)15:06
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lhindsso I will merge this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447139/15:07
lhindswe got +1's from VMT and sec-core on keystone15:07
gagehugosounds good15:07
lhindsfungi: what's needed for this governance patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555934/15:09
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lhindsanything we should do from our side?15:09
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lhindsI will chat to him later about this.15:12
fungilooking15:12
lhindsI just added pycadf and oslo.cache reviews that we should track and get moving.15:12
fungimembers of the vmt still need to officially vote in favor of it15:12
fungii was meaning to ask whether we can get the security analysis change approved15:13
lhindsfungi: that should be done now15:13
lhindsfungi: so an IRC vote?15:13
fungiyeah15:13
gagehugook15:13
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fungii brought 555934 to the attention of TristanC and kmalloc last week15:13
lhindsfungi: sounds good. let's monitor and we can track it here each meeting.15:14
fungii think we're in favor but i was hoping to see the analysis change merge first (which looks like it's on its way to doing now)15:14
lhindsfungi: makes sense15:14
kmalloc++15:14
fungiand then approval by the tc is mostly a formality once the vmt gives it a thumbs-up15:14
kmallocYeah, 555934 looks good, but analysis merge before would be perfect.15:15
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lhindsso that's merged now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447139/15:15
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gagehugoI'll take a look at the other analysis docs too and make sure they're refined15:16
lhindsso will leave it up to you kmalloc and fungi to vote and put to the tc15:16
gagehugofor pycadf & others15:16
lhindsgagehugo: +115:16
lhindsme too.15:16
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lhindsttx: anything on spectre / meltdown mitigation , nova conversation..I have not had a chance to look at this, just been following what's happening upstream in the kernel15:17
ttxnope kashyap promised a blog post15:17
lhindsttx: k, lets see what that brings up15:18
lhinds#topic Policy Security Roadmap15:18
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lhindsI don't think there is anything new here, there were some AP's from the PTG. I will look at those again and see if anyone has done anything yet (I don't believe they have)15:19
gagehugoyeah15:19
lhindsping eeiden15:19
gagehugothink she is away atm15:19
lhindsno worries.15:19
lhinds#topic bandit15:19
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gagehugoI'll ask about lcoo when I see here again15:19
gagehugoher*15:19
lhindsthx gagehugo15:19
lhindsso I have not heard anything more on the migration to PyTools15:20
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gagehugook15:20
lhindsand I can see ebrown is working on a new plugin15:20
lhindshttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/552720/15:20
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lhindsone you could look at here gagehugo : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558959/15:21
gagehugoyeah I'll pull that down and verify15:21
lhindscool15:21
gagehugobut it looks ok to me15:21
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lhinds#topic OSSN15:21
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lhindsso I think we have someone new working on authoring a note15:22
lhindsI replied to the email today gagehugo , thanks for that.15:22
lhinds#topic General Discussion15:22
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gagehugonp15:22
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lhindsOnly other items I have is I updated the wiki / lp pages to show myself and gagehugo as chairs of the SIG, so thanks gagehugo for agreeing to help chop the wood and carry the water with me as a co-chair15:23
lhindshttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security-SIG15:23
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lhindsand; https://launchpad.net/~openstack-ossg15:23
gagehugowoo15:24
lhindsanyone else have any other business or points before we close for this week?15:24
funginothing from me15:25
gagehugoI'm good for now15:25
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lhindsk, sounds good!15:25
lhindssee you all next week..I will be on holiday, but still plan to make it. But if I don't turn up (rare chance) as I am late getting back with the family, please hash startmeeting for me!15:26
lhindsthanks all!15:26
lhinds#endmeeting15:26
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