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eumel8 | good morning | 07:00 |
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ianychoi | eumel8, hello | 07:00 |
eumel8 | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 5 07:00:53 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:00 |
eumel8 | hi ianychoi! how it's going? | 07:01 |
ianychoi | eumel8, hello :) I am good - how about u? | 07:01 |
eumel8 | just reached the office and would have a long day :) | 07:02 |
eumel8 | #topic Open Discussion | 07:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:02 | |
eumel8 | so , no special topics on the agenda. so we're free in discussion | 07:03 |
ianychoi | eumel8, sorry I have been an abrupt call. | 07:04 |
ianychoi | I need to leave after 30 mins but I can talk now :) | 07:04 |
eumel8 | np | 07:05 |
ianychoi | Yesterday, I attended to Docs team meeting | 07:06 |
eumel8 | just wondering I've got no answer on my last e-mail to you. Hopefully you're not too shocked :) | 07:06 |
eumel8 | oh, there were a Docs team meeting? Interesting, but I missed it. | 07:07 |
ianychoi | I asked https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545377/ and Monty commented on the first patch. | 07:07 |
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ianychoi | For the second, I think I need to explain a little bit more on overall procedure on how to support project doc translations | 07:07 |
ianychoi | and how to build translated documents | 07:08 |
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ianychoi | eumel8, ah sorry for not replying your last e-mail. I just recognized the current situation but do not have any idea how to help you. | 07:08 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: ok,. I think it's the best progress for translation check site, because so we *have* a progress | 07:11 |
ianychoi | eumel8, IMO maybe we can get more idea during the upcoming Summit? | 07:12 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: Yes, sure, maybe together with the OSA team. I asked Andy already | 07:14 |
ianychoi | Sounds GREAT! | 07:14 |
eumel8 | on the other hand I wouldn't spend to much time for that, because we waste a lot on the last PTG for that. | 07:14 |
eumel8 | better looking forward for project doc translations | 07:14 |
ianychoi | Okay | 07:15 |
eumel8 | let me check Monty's comment | 07:15 |
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ianychoi | Monty's comment is mainly related with PDF builds, not project doc translation, but both needs the change of the same place - PTI | 07:15 |
eumel8 | got it | 07:16 |
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eumel8 | and for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545377/ ? You need also input from Monty or just go ahead? | 07:19 |
ianychoi | eumel8, I will ask again with more concrete description on what I want to do for project doc translation | 07:20 |
ianychoi | like a spec with some infra perspective and that is what pkovar suggested yesterday on Docs meeting | 07:21 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: ok, because I have no idea how I can help or pushing this thing forward | 07:21 |
ianychoi | eumel8, I will start WIP spec and share with u and others - plz help to remove WIP then :) | 07:22 |
ianychoi | eumel8, Can I ask the status on Edge Compute Whitepaper translation: when translated docs will be on production http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2018-March/003208.html ? | 07:22 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: alright | 07:23 |
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ianychoi | And your review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557848/ would be much appreciated - I forgot reflecting language landing pages, which would be more important part. | 07:24 |
ianychoi | Note that some design issues (regarding your comment) were discussed yesterday: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129063.html | 07:24 |
eumel8 | for edge computing doc they are still puzzle the chinese version, I will ask for the status in KR and DE | 07:24 |
ianychoi | Thank you! :) | 07:25 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: done | 07:28 |
eumel8 | I have also open reviews in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/i18n+status:open | 07:28 |
ianychoi | Aha I see - can I see them a few hours later? | 07:29 |
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amotoki | I forgot to forward nothinng on the edge compute whitepaper translation to the local community. perhaps most interested folks have read the original version though. | 07:29 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: sure ;) | 07:29 |
ianychoi | There will be User Group/Ambassador discussion and I would like to attend to this Forum session in Vancouver Summit: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-UG-Ambassador | 07:29 |
ianychoi | As a Korea user group leader, I would like to discuss how translation team is going with other user groups | 07:30 |
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eumel8 | ianychoi: great. I would also try to attend. | 07:30 |
ianychoi | eumel8, sorry I need to leave soon. | 07:31 |
eumel8 | amotoki: the pull for the Edge Computing White Paper came from Chinese people, so there is also the most progress | 07:31 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: ok, see you later | 07:32 |
ianychoi | eumel8, yes I will ping u after several hours if you are online :) | 07:32 |
ianychoi | eumel8, Have a good day! | 07:32 |
eumel8 | thx :) | 07:32 |
amotoki | eumel8: I cannot get your point. I mean Japan UG by "the local community" | 07:34 |
eumel8 | amotoki: When I understand you right, your local community reads the original document in English. But Chinese people wants to have the document in their language to spread the content more in their country | 07:36 |
amotoki | eumel8: I see. It depends on countries. | 07:36 |
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eumel8 | amotoki: yes, I think it's similar in German. Most of the people reading things in English | 07:37 |
amotoki | Japanese folks tend to prefer to local version too if available | 07:37 |
amotoki | but as of now I cannot imagine we Japanese community get enough translators compared to reading English version | 07:38 |
amotoki | no worries. it is my feeling | 07:39 |
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-amotoki- has no topic. lurks again | 07:42 | |
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eumel8 | #endmeeting | 07:49 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 07:49 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 5 07:49:03 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:49 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-04-05-07.00.html | 07:49 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-04-05-07.00.txt | 07:49 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-04-05-07.00.log.html | 07:49 |
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mriedem | ... | 13:02 |
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mriedem | doh, dst | 13:03 |
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melwitt | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 5 14:00:13 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is melwitt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
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melwitt | howdy everyone | 14:00 |
dansmith | o/ | 14:00 |
cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
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tssurya | o/ | 14:00 |
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tetsuro | o/ | 14:00 |
edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
hshiina | o/ | 14:01 |
melwitt | let's get started | 14:01 |
edmondsw | o/ | 14:01 |
efried | ö/ | 14:01 |
melwitt | #topic Release News | 14:01 |
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melwitt | #link Rocky release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Rocky_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
melwitt | next milestone is r-1 on Apr 19, two weeks from now | 14:01 |
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melwitt | spec freeze this cycle is r-2 Jun 7 | 14:02 |
melwitt | #link Rocky review runways: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-runways-rocky | 14:02 |
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melwitt | current runway status: | 14:02 |
melwitt | #link runway #1: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/update-provider-tree | 14:02 |
melwitt | #link runway #2: privsep series starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/551921 | 14:02 |
melwitt | #link runway #3: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/nova-validate-certificates | 14:02 |
mriedem | o/ | 14:03 |
melwitt | thanks to everyone for making runway reviews a priority. been seeing lots of activity on runway reviews | 14:03 |
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melwitt | we were able to remove https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/placement-req-filter from a runway early as all of the non-WIP patches merged well before the runway end date | 14:04 |
melwitt | so we've moved it out to the Log area on the etherpad (we'll add notes when we remove a blueprint to capture how it went) | 14:04 |
melwitt | and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nova-validate-certificates was moved into the vacated runway | 14:04 |
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melwitt | does anyone have anything else on release news? | 14:05 |
efried | #1 is down to one patch which already has Jay's +2, and it's pretty small. Should be an easy one. | 14:05 |
melwitt | nice | 14:05 |
efried | I lied. | 14:05 |
melwitt | not nice | 14:05 |
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efried | Down to one patch in the main series. Three patches overall. But they're all easy :) | 14:06 |
mriedem | merge conflict on one | 14:06 |
efried | sigh, working it now... | 14:06 |
melwitt | cool. anything else on release news or runways? | 14:06 |
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melwitt | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 14:07 |
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melwitt | no critical bugs in the link | 14:07 |
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melwitt | #link 37 new untriaged bugs (up 1 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 14:07 |
melwitt | not making a dent on bug triage lately so we need to try and get some more bugs triaged | 14:08 |
mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1761405 is a duplicate i think, will dig | 14:08 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1761405 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "impossible to disable notifications" [Undecided,New] | 14:08 |
mriedem | i at least remember talking to gibi about that | 14:08 |
melwitt | a-ha, cool | 14:08 |
melwitt | here are the instructions for bug triage, makes it a lot easier IMHO: | 14:09 |
melwitt | #link bug triage how-to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags | 14:09 |
melwitt | #link 9 untagged untriaged bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:09 |
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melwitt | #help tag untagged untriaged bugs with appropriate tags to categorize them | 14:09 |
melwitt | next I'm going to link some categories that have some untriaged bugs in them: | 14:09 |
melwitt | #link 3 untriaged cells bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=cells+&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:09 |
melwitt | #link 2 untriaged ceph bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=ceph+&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:10 |
melwitt | #link 2 untriaged console bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=console+&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:10 |
melwitt | #link 6 untriaged libvirt bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=libvirt+&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:10 |
melwitt | #link 5 untriaged live-migration bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=live-migration+&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:10 |
melwitt | #help If you have familiarity with any of these categories, please help triage (set validity and importance) | 14:10 |
melwitt | I'll be looking at some of these too | 14:11 |
melwitt | Gate status: | 14:11 |
mriedem | i can do one of these now :) | 14:11 |
melwitt | yesss | 14:11 |
melwitt | thank you mriedem | 14:11 |
mriedem | i get a prize? | 14:12 |
melwitt | hm, maybe. we'll have to see what we have in the prize bin | 14:12 |
melwitt | I wanted to shout out to takashin, thanks for all of the bug triage in novaclient land | 14:12 |
melwitt | okay, now Gate status | 14:13 |
melwitt | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:13 |
melwitt | anecdotally I've seen a lot of TIMED_OUT in the gate lately | 14:13 |
mriedem | same | 14:13 |
mriedem | within the last 24 hours | 14:13 |
melwitt | yeah | 14:13 |
melwitt | AFAIK there's been no announcement from infra about it | 14:14 |
melwitt | might have to ask them if it's still going on today | 14:14 |
melwitt | last night I also noticed this bug seems back in the gate https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1707284 | 14:14 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1707296 in os-brick "duplicate for #1707284 Bad logic in ISCSIConnector._get_potential_volume_paths" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Mathieu Gagné (mgagne) | 14:14 |
melwitt | I added a comment at the bottom | 14:14 |
dansmith | they fixed it | 14:15 |
dansmith | it was one provider and they were taxing something with too many threads | 14:15 |
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melwitt | I see it in logstash starting on 2018-03-26 | 14:15 |
dansmith | they merged a change that seemed to fix it, per late last nigh | 14:15 |
melwitt | oh, the new one? | 14:15 |
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melwitt | oh good | 14:15 |
melwitt | alright well that's ideal :) already fixed | 14:15 |
melwitt | 3rd party CI: | 14:16 |
melwitt | #link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:16 |
melwitt | I haven't noticed anything unusual with 3rd party CI lately | 14:16 |
mriedem | vmware seems to be much more active now | 14:17 |
cdent | I can report that although it hasn't quite bedded in yet the number of compute resources now dedicated to vmware ci has been increased, and the previous limitations on what is tested have been relaxed. so that should improve a bit | 14:17 |
cdent | jinx | 14:17 |
mriedem | thanks for pushing that | 14:17 |
melwitt | +1 thanks cdent | 14:17 |
cdent | i shook my fist a lot | 14:17 |
melwitt | heh | 14:17 |
cdent | dag nabbit, etc | 14:17 |
melwitt | anything else on bugs or gate status? | 14:18 |
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melwitt | #topic Reminders | 14:18 |
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melwitt | #link Rocky Review Priorities https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:18 |
dansmith | I haven't been looking at this since runways | 14:19 |
dansmith | I assume that page is dead/old news right? | 14:19 |
mriedem | it has bugs and other things | 14:19 |
melwitt | I'm still using it to find subteam reviews and trivial bugs if people have them there | 14:19 |
dansmith | but also has priorities that aren't | 14:19 |
dansmith | maybe it just needs some restructuring? | 14:19 |
edleafe | We are going to use that etherpad to help prioritize the outstanding specs/reviews for Placement | 14:20 |
edleafe | Just need to find the time :) | 14:20 |
melwitt | yeah, maybe I should clean that up. I wasn't sure if it was confusing anyone | 14:20 |
melwitt | I still want virt driver teams, subteams, bugs to be able to be surfaced somewhere for finding | 14:20 |
melwitt | *subteams reviews | 14:20 |
melwitt | #action melwitt to restructure priorities etherpad to not sound conflicting with runways | 14:21 |
melwitt | does anyone else have any reminders? | 14:21 |
dansmith | "non-priority approved blueprints" for example should go away I think | 14:21 |
melwitt | ah, true | 14:21 |
melwitt | #topic Stable branch status | 14:22 |
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melwitt | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/queens,n,z | 14:22 |
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melwitt | only one review | 14:22 |
melwitt | #link Queens 17.0.2 released on 2018-04-02: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557704/ | 14:22 |
melwitt | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 14:23 |
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melwitt | er | 14:23 |
melwitt | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 14:23 |
melwitt | 4 reviews | 14:23 |
melwitt | #link Pike 16.1.1 released on 2018-04-02 :https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558130/ | 14:23 |
melwitt | thanks to all the stable branch reviewers for helping get those releases out | 14:23 |
melwitt | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 14:24 |
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melwitt | lots of stuff for ocata | 14:24 |
melwitt | and I still have a TODO to investigate some things there, like func test failures on a backport, along with ceph CI | 14:25 |
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melwitt | branchless tempest broke ceph CI on ocata and I'm still figuring out what needs to be done to fix it. needs an update to the volume tests to sync with the tempest change that happened | 14:25 |
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melwitt | anything else on stable branch status? | 14:26 |
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melwitt | #topic Subteam Highlights | 14:27 |
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melwitt | dansmith: cells v2? | 14:27 |
dansmith | we had a meeting, | 14:27 |
dansmith | we discussed a couple new bugs with v1 that the cern people are going to work on | 14:27 |
dansmith | and acknowledged that we have some open reviews to get to | 14:27 |
dansmith | and that's pretty much it. | 14:27 |
melwitt | nice, thanks | 14:27 |
melwitt | edleafe: scheduler? | 14:27 |
edleafe | A light crowd; many were off for $spring_holiday | 14:28 |
edleafe | We started by recognizing that we are overloaded. There are 18 specs still under review, and 30 patch series. | 14:28 |
edleafe | We need to prioritize, and it was suggested that we use the Nova priorities etherpad as a starting point. | 14:28 |
edleafe | We discussed 3 patches that change behavior: | 14:28 |
edleafe | * Change provider summaries to include all resource info (currently just the requested resources) | 14:28 |
edleafe | * "Anchor" providers, such as a compute node that doesn't provide its own resources, but is associated with a sharing aggregate that does. | 14:28 |
edleafe | * Add the anchor provider to allocation requests, albeit with no resources to claim. | 14:28 |
edleafe | The net result of these discussions is that, given the workload we have, these should be pushed off until Stein. | 14:28 |
edleafe | efried confused alex_xu with his use of the word "broughten" | 14:28 |
edleafe | That's it. | 14:28 |
efried | except I changed my mind since tetsuro responded to that line of thought. | 14:28 |
edleafe | oh? | 14:29 |
efried | I now feel we do indeed need that stuff for nested to work sanely; and should therefore roll it into the nrp-in-alloc-cands bp/spec | 14:29 |
efried | Left some notes on that spec accordingly; and jaypipes still owes a comeback on the email thread. | 14:29 |
edleafe | gotcha | 14:30 |
efried | Since the code is basically done, folding it into the existing bp/spec/microversion for nrp will have the bonus side effect of reducing the paperwork load. | 14:30 |
cdent | magic | 14:30 |
melwitt | so the thing we're going to go ahead and do this cycle and not push off to stein is the 3 behavior change patches? | 14:31 |
efried | I wouldn't say it's definitely decided yet, but that's the proposal, yes. | 14:31 |
melwitt | k | 14:31 |
efried | maybe tricky to finagle so all the behavior changes trigger at the same microversion bump even though they're spread across half a dozen patches, but... | 14:32 |
efried | such is life. | 14:32 |
melwitt | for the notification subteam, gibi is still on vacay and there's not a meeting till he's back the week of Apr 16 | 14:32 |
mriedem | i've got a thing there | 14:32 |
melwitt | k | 14:33 |
mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1761405 has come up before, i think there is a workaround by setting the notification driver to 'noop', | 14:33 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1761405 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "impossible to disable notifications" [Low,Confirmed] | 14:33 |
mriedem | which means we'll still generate a payload, just to send it to dev/null | 14:33 |
mriedem | but at least it doesn't put load on the rpc queue | 14:33 |
mriedem | otherwise i emailed gibi about that one so we can talk about it when he's back | 14:33 |
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mriedem | <end/> | 14:34 |
melwitt | cool, thanks. sounds good | 14:34 |
melwitt | anything else on subteams? | 14:35 |
melwitt | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:35 |
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melwitt | no items in the agenda. does anyone have any stuck reviews? | 14:35 |
kashyap | Probably no one had any stuck reviews, then :-) | 14:36 |
mriedem | i might have one | 14:36 |
mriedem | well it's jay's | 14:36 |
mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545057/ | 14:36 |
mriedem | i don't know if that's stuck, but it's the one to mirror nova host aggregates to placement | 14:36 |
dansmith | do you disagree with the fundamental idea of mirroring? | 14:36 |
mriedem | i'm a bit uneasy with it | 14:37 |
mriedem | it feels very much like proxy stuff to neutron that we stopped doing back in newton | 14:37 |
dansmith | to me, | 14:37 |
dansmith | it feels like nova using an external service as means to an end | 14:37 |
dansmith | like, | 14:37 |
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dansmith | we report data into placement so the scheduler can make effective queries there | 14:37 |
dansmith | we could still do our scheduling in-house, but we don't want to do it all, | 14:37 |
dansmith | so our computes report data that our scheduler can use to make queries | 14:38 |
dansmith | this seems to me to be the same thing | 14:38 |
mriedem | i can maybe buy that | 14:38 |
dansmith | computes report resource data I mean | 14:38 |
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mriedem | anyway, i guess i'll think about that some more :) | 14:39 |
dansmith | hah, okay | 14:39 |
mriedem | since no one else is jumping in here | 14:39 |
melwitt | I'll check out the spec and comment there. I haven't read through it yet | 14:40 |
melwitt | cool, thanks for bringing that up | 14:40 |
melwitt | any other stuck reviews? | 14:40 |
mriedem | there was the other one, about createBackup | 14:40 |
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mriedem | but i guess we're waiting to hear about actual user usage | 14:40 |
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melwitt | oh, yeah. I added openstack-operators@ to that thread | 14:40 |
melwitt | on the ML | 14:41 |
mriedem | i asked internally, | 14:41 |
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mriedem | and our public cloud doesn't use the API (disables? doesn't expose in the UI?), | 14:41 |
mriedem | and our private cloud product apparently has it but doesn't hear that it's used | 14:41 |
dansmith | is the suggestion that we quietly disallow zero? | 14:42 |
mriedem | no, | 14:42 |
mriedem | suggestion is i think to just deprecate it | 14:42 |
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mriedem | if it's not used | 14:42 |
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dansmith | okay so disallow in a microversion | 14:42 |
melwitt | the original proposal was to nix the unnecessary create backup when '0' is passed | 14:42 |
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melwitt | *spec proposal | 14:43 |
dansmith | okay I remember getting some of it in my head at ptg, but it's all out at this point | 14:43 |
melwitt | which implied someone is using '0' to purge backups | 14:43 |
mriedem | disallow 0 and add a deleteBackups API | 14:43 |
mriedem | in a new mv | 14:43 |
dansmith | mriedem: yeah | 14:43 |
melwitt | but it hasn't been clear to me if people are really using it or if someone found weirdness in the API and wanted to fix it just cause, or what | 14:43 |
dansmith | mriedem: I mean that seems valid regardless | 14:43 |
mriedem | alex asked in the spec review if we should just deprecate the api since it's a proxy to glance | 14:43 |
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dansmith | so tbh, | 14:44 |
dansmith | in my own usage of nova, | 14:44 |
mriedem | i.e. i think you can do all of this yourself by creating a snapshot with metadata and then controlling the rotation in glance yourself | 14:44 |
dansmith | whenever I need to make a backup, I just create a snapshot and name it myself because I don't want to go read the docs on backup :) | 14:44 |
kashyap | Also, maybe this is tangetial (& should bring up on -nova): Do clouds care about back ups? I was asked by the QEMU / libvirt folks who're fixing some backup infrastructure. | 14:44 |
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dansmith | kashyap: yes they definitely do in this sense of the word | 14:44 |
dansmith | kashyap: it's about snapshotting instances before you make a change | 14:45 |
kashyap | Right; I was also asked about do people ever ask for "incremental backups" | 14:45 |
mriedem | not that i know of, | 14:45 |
kashyap | (Anyway, that's a discussion for -nova.) | 14:45 |
mriedem | although i think with the rbd imagebackend you can enable fast snapshots using incremental backups in ceph | 14:46 |
mriedem | but that's not something the end user knows about from the API | 14:46 |
kashyap | mriedem: I see; the most appealing part of "incremental backups" is it saves bandwidth -- | 14:46 |
kashyap | As long as you have a chain of deltas, copying the incremental from the last delta is probably smaller than copying the entire disk. | 14:46 |
dansmith | any dedup'ing storage will give you effective incrementals | 14:46 |
dansmith | let's not get mired in that though | 14:46 |
kashyap | Yep | 14:46 |
dansmith | because that's not what is stuck | 14:46 |
dansmith | mriedem: I think it's legit to just deprecate zero and add deleteBackup going forward, | 14:46 |
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mriedem | so i guess we hold on this spec until we hear more | 14:46 |
dansmith | even if it's lightly used because it's a clearer API | 14:46 |
melwitt | yeah, I've been a soft +1 on it since it's so easy to do | 14:47 |
dansmith | if we want to remove it entirely because it's "just a proxy" then that's a stickier discussion to me | 14:47 |
dansmith | I know you can do it externally, and that would be a reason not to add it, | 14:47 |
dansmith | but meh, it's there | 14:47 |
melwitt | yeah, fair | 14:48 |
mriedem | it would be nice if the NTT people actually confirmed they have users complaining about this | 14:48 |
dansmith | yeah, Idon't want to do this just because it's a theoretical thing to clean up | 14:48 |
melwitt | same. that was my concern. I noticed the spec is light on use case | 14:48 |
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melwitt | #link ML thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2018-April/015092.html | 14:49 |
dansmith | I think we should move on | 14:49 |
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melwitt | k. I'll ask the author again about users | 14:49 |
melwitt | anything other topics for stuck reviews? | 14:50 |
melwitt | *any | 14:50 |
melwitt | #topic Open discussion | 14:50 |
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melwitt | two items on the agenda: | 14:50 |
melwitt | (hshiina) specless blueprint request: ironic rescue mode https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ironic-rescue-mode | 14:50 |
melwitt | also says ironic work was done in queens | 14:51 |
mriedem | this was previously approved in pike and queens, | 14:51 |
mriedem | but always slid waiting for the ironic stuff to merge, | 14:51 |
dansmith | I notice that future mriedem commented on the blueprint | 14:51 |
mriedem | which i think the ironicclient changes landed right around FF for queens | 14:51 |
mriedem | past mriedem? | 14:51 |
dansmith | the code patch seems to have some ironicclient versioning stuff up in the air | 14:52 |
dansmith | mriedem 20191011 | 14:52 |
melwitt | heh | 14:52 |
mriedem | ha | 14:52 |
mriedem | fixed | 14:52 |
mriedem | anyway, +1 on re-approval | 14:52 |
mriedem | for the bp | 14:52 |
melwitt | I'm +1 too | 14:53 |
melwitt | any other opinions? | 14:53 |
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melwitt | okay, sounds like no one is against it and we have two +1s, so I'll re-approve it | 14:54 |
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hshiina | thank you | 14:54 |
melwitt | thanks for reminding us about it | 14:54 |
melwitt | last on the agenda: | 14:55 |
melwitt | (kashyap) RFC: Next minimum libvirt / QEMU versions for "Stein" release | 14:55 |
melwitt | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129048.html | 14:55 |
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kashyap | Yeah, so this is the top-level link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128937.html | 14:55 |
kashyap | mriedem: You might be interested in this, as you were asking about it too | 14:55 |
dansmith | this seemed to be uncontentious on the ML, did I miss something? | 14:55 |
mriedem | i haven't heard any disagreements in the ML thread | 14:55 |
kashyap | Yeah, mriedem There is one point though: About Debian | 14:55 |
mriedem | kashyap: did you get a reply from zigo for debian? | 14:55 |
kashyap | Not yet; I talked to Debian folks on #debian-backports | 14:56 |
kashyap | mriedem: I posted a quick summary of it here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558171/ | 14:56 |
kashyap | In exchange w/ johnthetubaguy | 14:56 |
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kashyap | mriedem: If zigo or anyone doesn't do the backports as noted above | 14:57 |
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zigo | mriedem: About what? | 14:57 |
kashyap | (We might be stuck with one version lower - see the discussion on the list / review.) | 14:57 |
zigo | o/ | 14:57 |
kashyap | zigo: Hi there, see my last comment here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558171/ | 14:57 |
mriedem | and http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128937.html | 14:58 |
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kashyap | zigo: In short: Is it possible for Debian 'stretch' users to get libvirt 3.2.0 and QEMU 2.9.0 or higher via any other way? | 14:58 |
mriedem | we need to move this to -nova | 14:59 |
kashyap | Yeah; can move there | 14:59 |
zigo | Debian Sid has 4.1.0-2, stable has 3.0.0 | 14:59 |
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melwitt | we have less than a minute left | 14:59 |
kashyap | zigo: Yep, that I'm aware. | 14:59 |
kashyap | zigo: Let's move this to -nova | 14:59 |
melwitt | okay, we'll continue this discussion in -nova | 14:59 |
melwitt | thanks all | 14:59 |
melwitt | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 5 14:59:45 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-04-05-14.00.html | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-04-05-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
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openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-04-05-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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lhinds | ping eeiden fungi gagehugo lhinds nickthetait | 15:00 |
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jessegler | o/ | 15:00 |
lhinds | hey jessegler | 15:00 |
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fungi | (once again, mostly paying attention in #openstack-tc for office hours there, but ping me if you need me) | 15:00 |
gagehugo | o/ | 15:00 |
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lhinds | hey gagehugo fungi | 15:01 |
lhinds | #startmeeting security-sig | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 5 15:01:52 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lhinds. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security_sig' | 15:01 |
lhinds | #chair gagehugo | 15:02 |
openstack | Current chairs: gagehugo lhinds | 15:02 |
lhinds | #topic agenda | 15:02 |
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lhinds | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 15:02 |
gagehugo | lhinds I slimmed down the agenda a bit, feel free to undo any of that if it was too much | 15:02 |
lhinds | gagehugo: no, good job..it had some stale stuff in there. | 15:02 |
lhinds | gagehugo: i prefer this look | 15:03 |
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lhinds | gagehugo: has the guy from Tatu been able to make the meeting? | 15:03 |
gagehugo | he reached out to me a few weeks ago, but otherwise I haven't seen him | 15:03 |
gagehugo | could email him and see if he can make this time? | 15:04 |
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lhinds | gagehugo: ack, will drop him an email for next meeting | 15:04 |
lhinds | any one have other items they would like to add? | 15:04 |
lhinds | (agenda that is) | 15:04 |
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lhinds | k, so I think we can skip documentation | 15:05 |
lhinds | no patches need review and no key items as far as I am aware | 15:05 |
lhinds | #topic Keystone Threat Analysis | 15:05 |
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lhinds | nice work on the patches gagehugo | 15:06 |
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gagehugo | \o/ almost there | 15:06 |
lhinds | whats the current state of the VMT +2ing? (goes to take a look.) | 15:06 |
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lhinds | so I will merge this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447139/ | 15:07 |
lhinds | we got +1's from VMT and sec-core on keystone | 15:07 |
gagehugo | sounds good | 15:07 |
lhinds | fungi: what's needed for this governance patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555934/ | 15:09 |
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lhinds | anything we should do from our side? | 15:09 |
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lhinds | I will chat to him later about this. | 15:12 |
fungi | looking | 15:12 |
lhinds | I just added pycadf and oslo.cache reviews that we should track and get moving. | 15:12 |
fungi | members of the vmt still need to officially vote in favor of it | 15:12 |
fungi | i was meaning to ask whether we can get the security analysis change approved | 15:13 |
lhinds | fungi: that should be done now | 15:13 |
lhinds | fungi: so an IRC vote? | 15:13 |
fungi | yeah | 15:13 |
gagehugo | ok | 15:13 |
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fungi | i brought 555934 to the attention of TristanC and kmalloc last week | 15:13 |
lhinds | fungi: sounds good. let's monitor and we can track it here each meeting. | 15:14 |
fungi | i think we're in favor but i was hoping to see the analysis change merge first (which looks like it's on its way to doing now) | 15:14 |
lhinds | fungi: makes sense | 15:14 |
kmalloc | ++ | 15:14 |
fungi | and then approval by the tc is mostly a formality once the vmt gives it a thumbs-up | 15:14 |
kmalloc | Yeah, 555934 looks good, but analysis merge before would be perfect. | 15:15 |
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lhinds | so that's merged now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447139/ | 15:15 |
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gagehugo | I'll take a look at the other analysis docs too and make sure they're refined | 15:16 |
lhinds | so will leave it up to you kmalloc and fungi to vote and put to the tc | 15:16 |
gagehugo | for pycadf & others | 15:16 |
lhinds | gagehugo: +1 | 15:16 |
lhinds | me too. | 15:16 |
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lhinds | ttx: anything on spectre / meltdown mitigation , nova conversation..I have not had a chance to look at this, just been following what's happening upstream in the kernel | 15:17 |
ttx | nope kashyap promised a blog post | 15:17 |
lhinds | ttx: k, lets see what that brings up | 15:18 |
lhinds | #topic Policy Security Roadmap | 15:18 |
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lhinds | I don't think there is anything new here, there were some AP's from the PTG. I will look at those again and see if anyone has done anything yet (I don't believe they have) | 15:19 |
gagehugo | yeah | 15:19 |
lhinds | ping eeiden | 15:19 |
gagehugo | think she is away atm | 15:19 |
lhinds | no worries. | 15:19 |
lhinds | #topic bandit | 15:19 |
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gagehugo | I'll ask about lcoo when I see here again | 15:19 |
gagehugo | her* | 15:19 |
lhinds | thx gagehugo | 15:19 |
lhinds | so I have not heard anything more on the migration to PyTools | 15:20 |
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gagehugo | ok | 15:20 |
lhinds | and I can see ebrown is working on a new plugin | 15:20 |
lhinds | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552720/ | 15:20 |
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lhinds | one you could look at here gagehugo : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558959/ | 15:21 |
gagehugo | yeah I'll pull that down and verify | 15:21 |
lhinds | cool | 15:21 |
gagehugo | but it looks ok to me | 15:21 |
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lhinds | #topic OSSN | 15:21 |
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lhinds | so I think we have someone new working on authoring a note | 15:22 |
lhinds | I replied to the email today gagehugo , thanks for that. | 15:22 |
lhinds | #topic General Discussion | 15:22 |
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gagehugo | np | 15:22 |
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lhinds | Only other items I have is I updated the wiki / lp pages to show myself and gagehugo as chairs of the SIG, so thanks gagehugo for agreeing to help chop the wood and carry the water with me as a co-chair | 15:23 |
lhinds | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security-SIG | 15:23 |
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lhinds | and; https://launchpad.net/~openstack-ossg | 15:23 |
gagehugo | woo | 15:24 |
lhinds | anyone else have any other business or points before we close for this week? | 15:24 |
fungi | nothing from me | 15:25 |
gagehugo | I'm good for now | 15:25 |
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lhinds | k, sounds good! | 15:25 |
lhinds | see you all next week..I will be on holiday, but still plan to make it. But if I don't turn up (rare chance) as I am late getting back with the family, please hash startmeeting for me! | 15:26 |
lhinds | thanks all! | 15:26 |
lhinds | #endmeeting | 15:26 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 5 15:26:34 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:26 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security_sig/2018/security_sig.2018-04-05-15.01.html | 15:26 |
gagehugo | thanks! | 15:26 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security_sig/2018/security_sig.2018-04-05-15.01.txt | 15:26 |
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