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eumel8 | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 12:59 |
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openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 12 12:59:00 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:59 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:59 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 12:59 |
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jpich | Hm... did the meeting just start or am I an hour late? | 13:00 |
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eumel8 | hello jpich | 13:05 |
jpich | Hi! | 13:05 |
jpich | So I'm on time for once? :) | 13:05 |
eumel8 | maybe we have CEST and I'm right | 13:05 |
jpich | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 13:06 |
eumel8 | #topic Open Discussion | 13:06 |
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eumel8 | just some offline stress but now I'm here | 13:06 |
jpich | ouch | 13:07 |
jpich | What do you think of ianychoi_ 's suggestion of trying out the "office hours" format? | 13:07 |
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eumel8 | yes, no special topics today, only Open Discussion | 13:07 |
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eumel8 | we had this also in the past as office hour. | 13:08 |
eumel8 | Good idea, I think so | 13:08 |
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jpich | We could even have it on the i18n channel directly and at different times, it seems to work well for other teams. The format is more relaxed | 13:09 |
jpich | Seems like something interesting to try yeah! | 13:09 |
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eumel8 | but there is no agenda, isn't it? | 13:10 |
jpich | Yeah. Kinda like eternal open discussion I guess :) | 13:10 |
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jpich | You can still bring up the important on-topic stuff, like deadlines coming up etc... I think the flexible format might be make it more accessible for people not directly involved? ianychoi_ was suggesting bringing up the office hours on the operators list, etc | 13:12 |
jpich | it'd be interesting to see if different people pop up | 13:12 |
eumel8 | then maybe a mix up would be better: 2 team meetings the month and 2 office hours | 13:12 |
eumel8 | we have alltime internal discussions as a team | 13:13 |
jpich | I think it might make things more confusing, when is it ok for people to show up at one or the other, what topics for one or the other... | 13:13 |
eumel8 | team meetings are only announced in openstack-i18n, office hours should be announced on openstack-dev | 13:15 |
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eumel8 | I'm also not really sure if we should switch the IRC channel | 13:15 |
jpich | Switching gives us more flexibility with times (just noting this because I've seen other projects trying different time slots for the office hours when they start out), can help with people forgetting to join the meeting channel on time (me!), and if we get newcomers maybe it can get them into the habit of joining the i18n channel and sticking around? | 13:17 |
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jpich | I'm not sure how 2 office hours / 2 team meetings would work for the time slots either, with the alternating times we already have? Like office hours would always be the early slot or the mid-day slot, unless we either switch the times on the calendar, or have 2 team meetings in a row | 13:20 |
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eumel8 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/ | 13:20 |
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jpich | I don't think having office hours completely precludes having an agenda or talking about "team" stuff, it's just makes the meeting open a bit more widely | 13:21 |
eumel8 | I think on the last topics like summit sessions or project update session. thats not align with an office hour, more with a team meeting | 13:21 |
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eumel8 | yes, absolutly | 13:22 |
eumel8 | have to think about it | 13:22 |
jpich | When I look into the TC office hours they still talk about TC-related minutia, it's not just "open for queries from the outside" | 13:22 |
eumel8 | and will check the channel list on the link | 13:22 |
jpich | I think there's a patch one can submit somewhere to get the meeting bot to join the channel and that's about it | 13:23 |
jpich | but yeah options! We don't have to do try switching channel and office hours at the same time anyway | 13:23 |
jpich | starting with just one is probably wiser :) | 13:23 |
jpich | It's difficult for me to attend the 07:00UTC slot, so that's one reason I'm not sure about alternating topics. But yeah an interesting idea to think about | 13:24 |
eumel8 | I am a little anxious | 13:24 |
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jpich | about which bit? | 13:25 |
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eumel8 | We are German, we want to organize everything. In Office Hours without plans I think things will getting lost. When I want to discuss special topics on special times and want to announce this on the mailing list before. | 13:26 |
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jpich | We can try a light version of both, inviting everyone to pop by the office hours, and additionally include a mention of "and these are some of the topics I'd like to bring up" so interested people make a particular note to join? | 13:29 |
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jpich | not an agenda per-se :-) I dunno. Maybe ianychoi_ can talk a bit more on the thread about what he had in mind too and how he envisions it | 13:30 |
eumel8 | yes, I wouldn't overstrain this topic. | 13:31 |
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eumel8 | see the docs team meeting: it's over-organized to death | 13:32 |
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jpich | I'll have a look | 13:33 |
eumel8 | It was the claims of everyone. At the end, no one was there. | 13:35 |
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jpich | :( | 13:37 |
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eumel8 | But I'll give it a try. | 13:38 |
eumel8 | Have to check my diary for the next weeks. | 13:39 |
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eumel8 | still busy time till the summit. | 13:40 |
jpich | Good luck! | 13:41 |
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eumel8 | We have Project Onboarding and Projekt Update session. Will see how it work out | 13:42 |
jpich | 07:00 UTC still falls right in the middle of my commute so I'm not sure how often I'll be able to join that one unfortunately, but I'll try my best | 13:42 |
jpich | Cool!! | 13:42 |
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eumel8 | 07:00 is very late, if you start at 06:00 ;) | 13:46 |
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eumel8 | because of that I want to finish my day work now :) | 13:47 |
eumel8 | if there are no more topics I would close the meeting | 13:48 |
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jpich | Sounds good to me :) Thank you | 13:49 |
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eumel8 | thx :) | 13:51 |
eumel8 | #endmeeting | 13:51 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 12 13:51:34 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:51 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-04-12-12.59.html | 13:51 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-04-12-12.59.txt | 13:51 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-04-12-12.59.log.html | 13:51 |
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gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 12 15:00:31 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:00 |
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jessegler | o/ | 15:00 |
gagehugo | ping eeiden fungi gagehugo lhinds nickthetait | 15:01 |
nickthetait | hey | 15:01 |
gagehugo | hey jessegler nickthetait | 15:01 |
gagehugo | will likely be a short meeting today, don't have much in updates | 15:01 |
fungi | as usual, i'm also trying to pay attention in #openstack-tc for office hour | 15:01 |
gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 15:02 |
gagehugo | fungi o/ | 15:02 |
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fungi | sigmavirus24 doesn't seem to be here right now, but was looking for browne in #openstack-security yesterday | 15:02 |
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gagehugo | I think browne is mostly available via email lately | 15:03 |
fungi | (looks like maybe it was day before yesterday actually) | 15:03 |
gagehugo | no updates afaik for spectre/meltdown update | 15:04 |
gagehugo | #topic Bandit | 15:04 |
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gagehugo | not much changed from last week, think a couple ps got merged | 15:04 |
gagehugo | #topic Tatu | 15:05 |
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gagehugo | ping gdecandia | 15:05 |
gagehugo | #topic Documentation | 15:05 |
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gagehugo | no updates here | 15:06 |
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gagehugo | #topic OSSN | 15:06 |
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nickthetait | I submitted an OSSN draft this week | 15:06 |
nickthetait | :) | 15:06 |
gagehugo | nice | 15:06 |
gagehugo | do you have a link? | 15:07 |
nickthetait | yeah | 15:07 |
nickthetait | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559440/ | 15:07 |
patchbot | patch 559440 - security-doc - Publish a draft of OSSN-0083 | 15:07 |
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gagehugo | I can take a look later today | 15:08 |
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nickthetait | that would be great, thanks | 15:08 |
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gagehugo | #topic VMT | 15:08 |
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gagehugo | should probably change that to say OSSA instead | 15:08 |
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gagehugo | since we have threat analysis on the agenda as well | 15:09 |
gagehugo | no OSSA updates afaik | 15:09 |
gagehugo | #topic Threat Analysis | 15:09 |
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gagehugo | keystonemiddleware was approved for the vmt tag \o/ | 15:09 |
nickthetait | does that mean it is an official openstack project now? | 15:10 |
gagehugo | nickthetait it means that keystonemiddleware is eligible for being covered under vulnerability management | 15:11 |
gagehugo | lemme find the wiki link | 15:11 |
nickthetait | aha | 15:11 |
gagehugo | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/vulnerability_managed.html#vulnerability-managed | 15:11 |
fungi | keystonemiddleware has been an official openstack deliverable under the keystone team for years (basically for as long as it has existed) | 15:11 |
gagehugo | ^ | 15:11 |
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gagehugo | fungi I'll email browne about sigmavirus24 looking for him | 15:12 |
gagehugo | btw | 15:12 |
fungi | specifically, that change is an indication that the openstack cross-project vulnerability management team has agreed to coordinate reported vulnerabilities for keystonemiddleware rather than the keystone team having to do that themselves | 15:12 |
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nickthetait | okay | 15:13 |
gagehugo | yup! | 15:13 |
gagehugo | #topic General Discussion | 15:13 |
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fungi | the openstack vmt is generally willing to assist any official projects with vulnerability report coordination, but specifically prioritizes those with the vulnerability:managed governance tag and does more of the legwork themselves | 15:13 |
fungi | gagehugo: thanks, i missed the call for bandit news earlier in the meeting, but per discussion in #openstack-security sigmavirus24 was looking for bandit maintainers to follow up on moving it to pypa. apparently they mentioned wanting to do that but subsequently disappeared and left the pypa maintainers hanging | 15:14 |
gagehugo | fungi ah, I think browne was handling that for the most part, but I will double check | 15:15 |
fungi | much appreciated | 15:15 |
gagehugo | anyone have anything else? | 15:15 |
nickthetait | nah | 15:15 |
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gagehugo | if not then we can end early | 15:16 |
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gagehugo | have a good rest of the week everyone! | 15:17 |
nickthetait | later | 15:17 |
gagehugo | o/ | 15:17 |
gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:17 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 12 15:17:21 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:17 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-04-12-15.00.html | 15:17 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-04-12-15.00.txt | 15:17 |
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openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-04-12-15.00.log.html | 15:17 |
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nickthetait | Just noticed that the header for this channel has a broken link in it | 15:24 |
nickthetait | should go to '...Meetings' instead of '...Meetings/' | 15:25 |
nickthetait | But not sure who to report it to | 15:25 |
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melwitt | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 12 21:00:21 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is melwitt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
melwitt | howdy everyone | 21:00 |
edleafe | \o | 21:00 |
takashin | o/ | 21:00 |
efried | ö/ | 21:00 |
dansmith | o/ | 21:00 |
melwitt | let's get started | 21:00 |
melwitt | #topic Release News | 21:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
melwitt | #link Rocky release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Rocky_Release_Schedule | 21:01 |
melwitt | r-1 milestone is next thursday | 21:01 |
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melwitt | so be thinking about what we want to get into r-1 and the stable branches by the milestone | 21:02 |
melwitt | and get your backports in order for those releases | 21:02 |
melwitt | #link Rocky review runways: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-runways-rocky | 21:02 |
melwitt | we had two blueprints leave runways this morning for their end dates | 21:03 |
melwitt | and they've been added to the Log area of the etherpad. please add comments in the Log area for relevant blueprints to help us capture how it went | 21:03 |
melwitt | two new blueprints have been added to runways in their place | 21:03 |
melwitt | #link runway #1: Add z/VM driver [END DATE: 2018-04-26] series starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523387 | 21:03 |
patchbot | patch 523387 - nova - z/VM Driver: Initial change set of z/VM driver | 21:03 |
melwitt | #link runway #2: Certificate Validation [END DATE: 2018-04-16] series starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479949 | 21:03 |
patchbot | patch 479949 - nova - Implement certificate_utils | 21:03 |
melwitt | #link runway #3: Placement forbidden traits [END DATE: 2018-04-26] series starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556472 | 21:03 |
patchbot | patch 556472 - nova - [placement] Filter resource providers by forbidden... | 21:04 |
melwitt | please do make these runways blueprints your priority for review | 21:04 |
* efried adds zvm to stuck reviews... | 21:04 | |
melwitt | yeah, there are some complications in the zvm series already | 21:04 |
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efried | mikal: you around to defend yourself? | 21:05 |
dansmith | I'll defend him | 21:05 |
melwitt | so I was thinking we might have to move that one back into the queue if we can't move forward and then revisit it later. there are some issues around the config drive format and lack of tempest verification of it | 21:05 |
dansmith | do we want to talk about that here or in stuck reviews? | 21:06 |
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melwitt | let's do it in stuck reviews | 21:06 |
dansmith | ack | 21:06 |
melwitt | let's move on and we'll talk about this in stuck reviews | 21:06 |
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melwitt | does anyone have anything else for release news? | 21:06 |
clarkb | tempest does verify config drive | 21:07 |
melwitt | clarkb: they have set run_validation = False in their tempest.conf | 21:07 |
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dansmith | clarkb: not when tempest is configured not to verify the guests at all | 21:07 |
clarkb | oh gotcha | 21:07 |
melwitt | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 21:07 |
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melwitt | no critical bugs in the link | 21:08 |
melwitt | #link 32 new untriaged bugs (down 5 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 21:08 |
melwitt | #link bug triage how-to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags | 21:08 |
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melwitt | thanks to those who've helped get our untriaged bugs down. more help would be appreciated | 21:08 |
melwitt | #link 6 untagged untriaged bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 21:08 |
melwitt | bugs have mostly been categorized, though I have noticed a lot of use of unofficial tags on the NEW bugs | 21:09 |
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melwitt | #help tag untagged untriaged bugs with appropriate tags to categorize them | 21:09 |
melwitt | #link 5 untriaged libvirt bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=libvirt+&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 21:09 |
melwitt | #link 3 untriaged live-migration bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=live-migration+&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 21:09 |
melwitt | #link 4 untriaged volumes bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=volumes+&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 21:09 |
melwitt | libvirt, live-migration, and volumes bugs have a chunk of untriaged bugs | 21:10 |
melwitt | #help If you have familiarity with any of these categories, please help triage (set validity and importance) | 21:10 |
melwitt | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 21:10 |
melwitt | I'm still noticing some TIMED_OUT occasionally. I haven't yet verified if those are the limestone hosts again | 21:10 |
melwitt | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1763382 - nova-multiattach job failing since using Queens UCA | 21:10 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1763382 in OpenStack Compute (nova) ""libvirtError: Failed to connect socket to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': Permission denied" in nova-multiattach job since we started using the Queens UCA" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 21:10 |
melwitt | gate bug that mriedem_funtime has been working on. he said it's semi resolved at this point. thanks to mriedem_funtime for working on that one | 21:11 |
melwitt | another gate bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1763181 - test_parallel_evacuate_with_server_group intermittently fails | 21:11 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1763181 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "test_parallel_evacuate_with_server_group intermittently fails" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:11 |
melwitt | if anyone wants to help look into that | 21:12 |
melwitt | #link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 21:12 |
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melwitt | does anyone have anything for bugs or gate status? | 21:13 |
melwitt | #topic Reminders | 21:13 |
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melwitt | #link Rocky Review Priorities https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:13 |
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melwitt | the usual reminder about the priorities etherpad as a place to highlight subteam patches and bug fixes | 21:13 |
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melwitt | anything else for reminders? | 21:14 |
melwitt | #topic Stable branch status | 21:14 |
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melwitt | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/queens,n,z | 21:14 |
melwitt | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 21:14 |
melwitt | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 21:15 |
melwitt | we have a fair number of backports, especially on ocata | 21:15 |
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melwitt | we will need to push through some review on those in preparation for r-1 | 21:15 |
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melwitt | does anyone have anything else for status branch status? | 21:16 |
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melwitt | #topic Subteam Highlights | 21:16 |
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melwitt | dansmith: cells v2, we skipped the meeting this week. anything else you'd like to highlight? | 21:16 |
dansmith | nay | 21:16 |
melwitt | k. if anyone is interested, cells v2 patches up for review are collected on the priorities etherpad in the cells v2 section | 21:17 |
melwitt | edleafe: scheduler? | 21:17 |
edleafe | Decided that requiring placement would be a graceful fail in Rocky, and a hard fail in Stein. | 21:17 |
edleafe | jaypipes shocked us all by being nice at the beginning of the meeting. | 21:17 |
edleafe | We still sat in awe of the sheer number of specs and reviews on our respective plates. | 21:17 |
edleafe | Our original idea was to track priorities in the Nova priorities etherpad, but no one, myself included, did that. | 21:17 |
edleafe | We agreed that we already have something of a priority list in cdent's placement update email. So for now we'll use that as a starting point, and if anyone wants changes, the weekly team meeting will be the time to do that. | 21:17 |
edleafe | jaypipes further shocked us by agreeing that efried was right about the semantics of granular requests. | 21:17 |
edleafe | Finally, we agreed that there would be a separate #openstack-placement channel. cdent agreed to set it up. This will help reduce the volume of stuff on the -nova channel. From now on please discuss placement issues on -placement. | 21:18 |
edleafe | fini | 21:18 |
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melwitt | I thought placement has been required since ocata? | 21:18 |
dansmith | yeah, I don't think it should be optional in rocky | 21:19 |
edleafe | mriedem_funtime was proposing that | 21:19 |
dansmith | we've been saying it's required since ocata | 21:19 |
edleafe | for the placement agg mirroring | 21:19 |
dansmith | wait, was it ocata? I might be confusing it with cells requirement, | 21:19 |
dansmith | but even still, | 21:19 |
melwitt | yeah, I was under the impression that things won't work >= Ocata without placement | 21:20 |
dansmith | if we don't require it in rocky, we can't really expect people to have data in there for a switchover from cachingscheduler in S right? | 21:20 |
edleafe | me too, but mriedem_funtime seemed to be concerned | 21:20 |
dansmith | that confuses me muchly | 21:20 |
edleafe | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-04-09-14.00.log.html#l-46 | 21:20 |
dansmith | I guess we can chat about that later | 21:20 |
melwitt | yeah. let's chat about it later | 21:21 |
dansmith | edleafe: that's about requiring placement in api right? | 21:21 |
dansmith | not placement altogether | 21:21 |
dansmith | because api config hasn't had placement config requirements yet | 21:21 |
edleafe | dansmith: ah, ok. That distinction was lost on me | 21:21 |
dansmith | pretty sure that's what he's talking about there | 21:21 |
edleafe | So does that make more sense now? | 21:21 |
dansmith | yes | 21:21 |
edleafe | kewl | 21:21 |
melwitt | okay, I'm not sure what that means so I'll look at it after this | 21:22 |
melwitt | and thanks for bringing up the new #openstack-placement channel. might want to do a separate ML post to alert people about it | 21:22 |
efried | That happened | 21:22 |
* efried finds... | 21:23 | |
melwitt | on its own thread? okay. I didn't see other than the placement update thread | 21:23 |
efried | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129215.html | 21:23 |
efried | oh, yeah, not on its own thread. | 21:23 |
efried | cdent ^^ | 21:23 |
efried | I guess copied to ops | 21:24 |
melwitt | gibi_awa1 is still on vacay so there's not been a notifications meeting this week | 21:24 |
melwitt | he will be back next week | 21:24 |
efried | I saw a lot of notification dedup patches go by. He'll have fun with those when he gets back. | 21:24 |
melwitt | heh, yeah | 21:24 |
melwitt | anything else for subteams? | 21:24 |
melwitt | #topic Stuck Reviews | 21:25 |
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melwitt | zvm time | 21:25 |
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melwitt | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523387/ -- ZVM initial patch. | 21:25 |
patchbot | patch 523387 - nova - z/VM Driver: Initial change set of z/VM driver | 21:25 |
dansmith | FWIW, I don't think the requirements thing is the major concern with that stuff | 21:25 |
efried | Note: I didn't put the config drive one on here because I believe we're waiting for further details from Jichen on how that works. | 21:25 |
dansmith | it's a concern, and I think we should make some progress on doing better there | 21:25 |
dansmith | but I also don't really think this warrants stuck-review status yet, | 21:26 |
melwitt | yes, I agree the requirements thing is not a major issue | 21:26 |
dansmith | since the concerns are like 24 hours old | 21:26 |
dansmith | I will say that I think the configdrive thing, if unresolvable, is a big red flag to me | 21:26 |
dansmith | but we have time to let that play out yet | 21:26 |
melwitt | yeah, that is my view as well | 21:27 |
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efried | I suppose we could do that in the review itself. | 21:28 |
melwitt | well, to me the requirements thing could go either way because we have existing inconsistency | 21:29 |
melwitt | some drivers libs are loaded dynamically while others are in requirements.txt | 21:29 |
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dansmith | yeah, I think the dynamic loading is how we used to do it when we paid more attention here | 21:29 |
melwitt | so I don't think I can be too opinionated about it in its current state | 21:30 |
dansmith | and I think it'd be a good way to go | 21:30 |
efried | Just so. And I don't really have skin in which way we decide to go for this particular patch. I just don't want the series to be held up while we debate the ultimate best way of doing it for everyone. | 21:30 |
dansmith | but we have other things, so I'm not too overly concerned about it | 21:30 |
melwitt | the bigger concern for me is the config drive stuff | 21:30 |
efried | So we need to make an executive decision quickly about what's going to happen in this particular patch and move on. | 21:30 |
melwitt | so my focus is on hearing how that works and whether it's going to be a show stopper if it's not going to be reasonably implemented | 21:31 |
dansmith | efried: I don't think we do | 21:31 |
dansmith | efried: I'm holding a -2 on the base until we get the rest of them looking reasonable, which is standard practice for something like this | 21:31 |
efried | dansmith: Then we need to bump it out of the runway. Otherwise what's the point? | 21:31 |
dansmith | so we've got time | 21:31 |
dansmith | efried: that's fine too | 21:31 |
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melwitt | yeah, we can do it that way. place it back in the queue in the first position where it was, figure this out, then move it back if things are a go | 21:32 |
dansmith | wfm | 21:32 |
efried | boo | 21:32 |
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dansmith | well, | 21:32 |
dansmith | there is some serious concern later in the patch | 21:32 |
dansmith | I can't really understand how any of it has positive votes at this point | 21:33 |
dansmith | so I think the -2 is doing the job here | 21:33 |
efried | Don't move it out of the runway. | 21:34 |
efried | Use its runway slot to make sure it gets focus | 21:34 |
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efried | even if by the end of the runway all we've decided is requirements and config drive. | 21:34 |
dansmith | I thought you said we should bump it? | 21:34 |
efried | I was reductio ad absurdam'ing. | 21:34 |
dansmith | I thought that we were putting things in runways that were ready for review? | 21:34 |
dansmith | it doesn't even have readable logs right now | 21:34 |
efried | eh? | 21:34 |
dansmith | I spent a couple hours earlier trying to figure out if it's even starting instances | 21:34 |
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melwitt | I'm fine to leave it in a runway for a few days while we get some more info. and then reassess based on the response | 21:36 |
efried | I've been watching this series for several weeks now, and I've seen it shape up nicely. | 21:36 |
efried | But this is why we have multiple reviewers. | 21:36 |
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efried | Because one sees things another doesn't. | 21:36 |
melwitt | at a minimum, we're going to need the zvm CI to do some validation of the guest so we can see that instances booted with the driver are working fine | 21:37 |
efried | But as for "ready for review" - maybe I need a better (or at least different) understanding of what that means. | 21:37 |
efried | Cool with that, for sure. | 21:37 |
dansmith | efried: I'm really disappointed to hear you say that, | 21:37 |
dansmith | when it's breaking configdrive by lying about format | 21:37 |
efried | it's not clear that that's what's happening. | 21:37 |
efried | We need more info there. | 21:37 |
dansmith | and ffs, there is no tempest verification turned on.. instances couldbe crashing at boot and we wouldn't know | 21:37 |
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efried | yup, fair enough; I wasn't looking at tempest at all, just at the code. | 21:38 |
dansmith | ... | 21:38 |
efried | Under the assumption that tempest testing wasn't really going to be a thing until later in the series. | 21:38 |
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efried | and because I remembered hearing things about the CI being active. (I do see zvm:recheck about every five minutes on some patch or other.) | 21:39 |
melwitt | there might be ping tests at least happening through tempest that are not controlled via run_validation setting, so I'll double check on that. but we do want to be able to verify the config drive through tempest | 21:39 |
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melwitt | which is when run_validation = True which is not yet the case in zvm CI | 21:39 |
melwitt | okay. so, I think let's leave it in the runway until we get some response. the zvm people have been active thus far so I don't expect it to be long before we get some info, | 21:41 |
efried | ++ | 21:41 |
efried | time zone pain, alas | 21:41 |
melwitt | then based on that, we can determine whether we can go forward or potentially move it out of the runway | 21:42 |
melwitt | what do you think dansmith? | 21:42 |
dansmith | also fine with me | 21:42 |
dansmith | I'd like to move on | 21:42 |
melwitt | okay, cool | 21:43 |
melwitt | #topic Open discussion | 21:43 |
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melwitt | hm, is meetbot not working? | 21:43 |
dansmith | it's probably lagged | 21:43 |
dansmith | it might be barfing in the alley out back | 21:44 |
dansmith | I almost was | 21:44 |
melwitt | lol ... | 21:44 |
melwitt | okay, some items from efried in the agenda | 21:44 |
melwitt | (efried) Series posted for collaboration in the etherpad (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:44 |
efried | update: This morning bhagyashris agreed to take it: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-nova/%23openstack-nova.2018-04-12.log.html#t2018-04-12T12:33:33 | 21:44 |
melwitt | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:44 |
melwitt | what is it about, shared storage in placement? | 21:45 |
efried | Well, in libvirt via placement, yes. | 21:45 |
melwitt | oh, duh "Fixing up libvirt to handle shared disk correctly" | 21:46 |
melwitt | sounds cool. happy to see some progress on shared storage stuff | 21:46 |
efried | With the stuff we've merged in Queens and since, these two patches (only a handful of LOC) resolve the issue of double-reporting of disk inventory. | 21:46 |
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melwitt | what did you want to discuss here? just to alert everyone to the status? | 21:46 |
efried | Well, I was going to call for a collaborator | 21:47 |
efried | Because I don't care because it's libvirt, so I want someone else to finish the tests etc. | 21:47 |
melwitt | ohh, I see now | 21:47 |
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efried | But since I posted the agenda item, I got a "volunteer". | 21:47 |
melwitt | gotcha | 21:47 |
efried | So now it's just FY'allsI | 21:47 |
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efried | aka forgot to remove it from agenda. | 21:47 |
melwitt | haha, okay. well, glad a collaborator was already found | 21:48 |
melwitt | does anyone else have anything for open discussion? | 21:48 |
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melwitt | okay, I guess that's it. thanks everyone | 21:49 |
melwitt | #endmeeting | 21:49 |
melwitt | ... meetbot still not working | 21:49 |
dansmith | it's going to be so hung over in the morning | 21:50 |
melwitt | heh | 21:50 |
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