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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 02:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Apr 13 02:31:06 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:31 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 02:31 |
| ekcs | hi all! | 02:31 |
| ekcs | topics here as usual: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 02:31 |
| masahito | hi | 02:31 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: hi | 02:31 |
| ramineni_ | masahito: hi | 02:32 |
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| ekcs | hi ramineni_ | 02:32 |
| ekcs | hi masahito | 02:32 |
| ekcs | how’s it been? | 02:32 |
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| ekcs | ok let’s dive in then | 02:34 |
| ekcs | first just reminder that next week is R-1 release milestone. nothing special for us. Mostly just for me to acknowledge community goals and tag the releases. | 02:35 |
| ramineni_ | ok | 02:36 |
| ekcs | #topic monasca push driver | 02:36 |
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| ekcs | ramineni_: do you want to talk more about monasca push driver here? or just continue over email later? | 02:36 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: thanks for digging up, i think if execute actions are not executed multiple times, then my concern is resolved | 02:37 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: we can finalize your approach , ill look into it more today , and reply if find any more queries | 02:38 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: ok great! thanks! | 02:38 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: one question: | 02:38 |
| ekcs | I’ve been using 1:1 email because I don’t know if all the NEC stuff is ok for public discussion. | 02:39 |
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| ekcs | but we can discuss over ML and potentially benefit from more perspective if you think that’s ok. | 02:39 |
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| ekcs | what do you think? | 02:40 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: i think should be ok, but ill get back to you on that | 02:40 |
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| ekcs | ok cool we can figure it out later. thanks! | 02:41 |
| ekcs | ok moving on then. | 02:41 |
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| ekcs | #topic lower-constraints | 02:41 |
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| ekcs | I’m not really caught up on that whole thing. but thanks ramineni_ for getting on patches for it. | 02:42 |
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| ekcs | is there something to discuss here? | 02:42 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: ya, recent changes in requirements causing that , i think should be fine now | 02:43 |
| ekcs | mainly two things I’m confused about: 1. is the lower-constraints.txt file something we need to manually update each time the requirements.txt changes? I don’t totally understand why the duplicate info. | 02:43 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: from what i understand i think there wont be automatic update of requirements | 02:44 |
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| ekcs | oooh. so the entire requirements management is changing. | 02:44 |
| ramineni_ | if we need for the project , the minimum version we can updte it accordingly | 02:44 |
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| ramineni_ | and change the corresponding requirement | 02:44 |
| ekcs | wow ok. I guess I need to read up on that. must have been a big discussion. | 02:44 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: yes, let me dig up, if i find the links again | 02:45 |
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| ekcs | wonder what that does to packaging... | 02:45 |
| ekcs | got it thanks. well I’ll have to catch up on that. | 02:45 |
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| ekcs | well let’s move on then. | 02:46 |
| ekcs | #patches | 02:46 |
| ekcs | #topic patches | 02:46 |
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| ekcs | any patches to discuss? | 02:46 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/560108/4 | 02:46 |
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| patchbot | patch 560108 - requirements - remove lower bounds from global requirements (MERGED) | 02:46 |
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| ramineni_ | there is big discussion on ML also i suppose | 02:47 |
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| ramineni_ | ya, you can look into it later | 02:47 |
| ekcs | thanks a lot! | 02:48 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: move on? | 02:51 |
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| ekcs | only thing for me is I think the monasca test patches are ready. | 02:52 |
| ekcs | ok. | 02:52 |
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| ekcs | don’t see any additional topics on topics etherpad. | 02:52 |
| ekcs | #topic open discussion | 02:52 |
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| ekcs | anything else at all to talk about? | 02:52 |
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| ekcs | I’m curious, masahito , what are you guys doing with eventlet on blazar? | 02:53 |
| masahito | Any problem happens in eventlet? | 02:54 |
| masahito | We didn't hit an issue yet. | 02:54 |
| ekcs | masahito: ah. just wondering whether you guys have moved to latest version yet. | 02:55 |
| ekcs | and maybe what your plans are around testing. | 02:55 |
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| ekcs | I haven’t had much experience myself but from ML discussions it sounds like people are expecting things to break left and right haha. | 02:56 |
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| masahito | Looks like I don't catch up with the topic in ML. | 02:56 |
| masahito | And sorry for slow review to generic push driver. I don't have enough time to review the spec. | 02:57 |
| ekcs | got it. | 02:57 |
| ekcs | here’s a quick reference on eventlet stuff. I’m not totally caught up either. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559367/ | 02:58 |
| patchbot | patch 559367 - requirements - uncap eventlet (MERGED) | 02:58 |
| masahito | We started testing Doctor driver to deploy Congress to some production now. | 02:58 |
| ekcs | thanks all good. we’re going to hold off on the generic driver for now. will focus first on monasca and vitrage separately. be great to have your thoughts if/when we move monasca push discussion to ML/gerritt | 02:59 |
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| masahito | Not enough time to do upstream but downstream ;-( | 02:59 |
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| ekcs | masahito: oh that’s exciting. | 02:59 |
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| ekcs | I don’t know if there’s anything I can help with, but if there is I’d love to. | 03:00 |
| ekcs | also as more details become ok to share I’d love to hear/read it! | 03:01 |
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| masahito | Of course. | 03:02 |
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| ekcs | thanks! and again definitely let me know if there’s anything I can help with. I’m happy to carve out time and cycles for it. | 03:03 |
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| ekcs | ok then. should we end early if there’s nothing else to discuss now? | 03:04 |
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| ekcs | alright then. let’s end meeting. | 03:08 |
| ekcs | have a great weekend all and talk to you soon! | 03:08 |
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| ekcs | #endmeeting | 03:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Apr 13 03:08:52 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-04-13-02.31.html | 03:08 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-04-13-02.31.txt | 03:08 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-04-13-02.31.log.html | 03:08 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Apr 13 14:00:20 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | Hi there | 14:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto is travelling this week, so we'll wait for amotoki to complete quorum | 14:01 |
| amotoki | hi | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | ok, we have quorum now | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | Let's dive right in | 14:03 |
| amotoki | I cannot join a meeting next week | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: this meeting? | 14:03 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: no, it's about next week | 14:03 |
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| amotoki | just an announcement | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: I know, this meeting next week | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | ? | 14:03 |
| amotoki | ah... I see. | 14:04 |
| amotoki | this meeting next week | 14:04 |
| amotoki | ah I should use 'the' instead of 'a meeting' :p | 14:04 |
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| mlavalle | thanks for the heads up | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | so first one to discuss today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1743480 | 14:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1743480 in neutron "[RFE] No way to differentiate beween floating IP networks and external provider networks" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | we discussed two weeks ago. We concluded that it was confusion on the part of the submitter about the meaning of the network attributes | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | We decided to give him some more time to provide feedback | 14:06 |
| amotoki | he added some comments since then | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | yeah, he did | 14:07 |
| amotoki | he seems to misunderstand that floating IP networks need to be queried by "shared=False and external=True" but "external=True" is the right one. | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | he commented back that "This needs to be discoverable via the api", which I think it is | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | the "external=True" attribute is part of the API | 14:08 |
| amotoki | that's my understanding. | 14:09 |
| amotoki | the confusion comes from relationship around 'shared' and 'router:external' | 14:09 |
| amotoki | i think we can reject this RFE and we should improve our API reference. | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | My proposal is that I will leave a comment indicating that it is indeed discoverable through the API and close this RFE | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: I think we are in agreement | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: what do you think? | 14:11 |
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| haleyb | i agree with you two | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | cool. I'll leave comments at the end of the meeting | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | let's move on | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1748132 | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1748132 in neutron "[RFE] Can not create router gateway without external_fixed_ips" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Guoshuai Li (liguoshuai1990) | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | on this one we were leaning towards approving the submitter's original proposal, but amotoki wanted to leave a comment | 14:13 |
| -amotoki- is refreshing his memory | 14:13 | |
| * mlavalle wonders how amotoki does this "Notice" thing | 14:14 | |
| amotoki | IIRC my point is that this proposal works but it is up to users. | 14:14 |
| amotoki | in my IRC client limechat, Ctrl-Enter allows me to send a notice | 14:15 |
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| amotoki | the proposal does not help operators save public IP addresses. | 14:15 |
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| mlavalle | are you planning to leave a comment explaining your point? | 14:18 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: I just added a comment. | 14:19 |
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| mlavalle | amotoki: perfect, thanks! | 14:20 |
| * haleyb also wonders how this works with ovn, since that was in his last comment, but will wait for a response to the new question | 14:20 | |
| mlavalle | ++ | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1754123 | 14:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1754123 in neutron "[RFE] Support filter with floating IP address substring" [Wishlist,Incomplete] | 14:21 |
| amotoki | haleyb: this is the API behavior, so I think it is independent to backends. | 14:21 |
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| haleyb | amotoki: ok, i thought his second question was about snat | 14:22 |
| haleyb | but then i guess that would happen with ml2/ovs as well | 14:22 |
| amotoki | haleyb: i think so too | 14:23 |
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| haleyb | i'm fine waiting for a response | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | REading this last ^^^ RFE, it seems it is not needed anymore | 14:24 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: agree | 14:25 |
| amotoki | perhaps his original request said too many. | 14:25 |
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| mlavalle | so I am removing the RFE tags from it and leave it marked as incomplete | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | I will leave a comment also | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | hang on..... | 14:25 |
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| amotoki | mlavalle: +1 | 14:26 |
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| mlavalle | done | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1756705 | 14:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1756705 in neutron "RFE: New Neutron extension for binding levels" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Evgeny Fedoruk (evgenyf) | 14:28 |
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| mlavalle | Here's the associated patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/554508/ | 14:31 |
| patchbot | patch 554508 - neutron-lib - Port binding levels extension presented | 14:31 |
| amotoki | it is still unclear to me. what I am not sure is the reporter would like to switch LBaaS behavior depending on HPB. | 14:31 |
| amotoki | I would like to know more concrete use case in his mind. | 14:31 |
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| amotoki | if a use case is reasonable, I have no objection to export port binding level details in API. | 14:32 |
| mlavalle | That sound reasonable. I will leave a comment and see what his response is | 14:33 |
| mlavalle | and those are all the RFEs we have for today's meeting | 14:34 |
| mlavalle | I am planning to go back to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1715386 | 14:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1715386 in neutron "[RFE]Support routing traffic based on subnet" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to zhaobo (zhaobo6) | 14:34 |
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| mlavalle | and read the latest revision of the spec | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | Maybe others can also provide some feedback | 14:35 |
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| mlavalle | any other topics we should discuss today? | 14:36 |
| amotoki | we have 48 rfe-approved RFEs. we might need to check their status some time. | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | that's a very good point | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | I will do that this coming week | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | at least I will start going through them and see what the status is | 14:39 |
| mlavalle | feel free to pitch in, though :-) | 14:39 |
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| amotoki | thanks. I will try to look through specs next week | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | I will report next week on findings about the approved RFEs | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | ok, thanks for attending. See you guys next week | 14:42 |
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| amotoki | thanks | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Apr 13 14:42:19 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-04-13-14.00.html | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-04-13-14.00.txt | 14:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-04-13-14.00.log.html | 14:42 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Apr 13 15:00:53 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-relmgt-tracking Agenda | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:01 |
| * fungi is actually around this week | 15:01 | |
| smcginnis | We are currently line ~91 | 15:01 |
| annabelleB | o/ | 15:02 |
| fungi | text in the new etherpad version is bigger by default, we've noticed | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | Great, good turn out this week. | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | fungi: I was wondering about that. Thought it was just me. | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | My failing eyes are OK with that change. :) | 15:02 |
| fungi | totally just you, your eyesight has suddenly improved | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | hmm, I'm not noticing any difference | 15:02 |
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| smcginnis | Wouldn't that be nice. :) | 15:02 |
| ttx | no diff here | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | maybe my eyes got suddenly worse? | 15:03 |
| fungi | it may be that it's relative to dpi now or something | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | Oh, maybe. | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | ah | 15:03 |
| annabelleB | appears to be a ~1.2 line vs 1 line | 15:03 |
| annabelleB | spacing* | 15:03 |
| fungi | yeah, inter-line spacing seems to have increased as well | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | Looks good on my 34" monitor. | 15:03 |
| fungi | but sorry to derail, this is totally not what we're here to talk about | 15:03 |
| ttx | 34? Nice | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | #topic Review list of exception projects that still tag their own releases | 15:04 |
| ttx | is it not? | 15:04 |
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| smcginnis | ttx: It is very nice indeed. :) | 15:04 |
| ttx | so.... | 15:04 |
| ttx | I wanted us to quickly review the list of "exceptions" and see which ones (if any) we should work on reducing | 15:04 |
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| ttx | Like things under openstack-infra should probably not be made compiant | 15:05 |
| ttx | or even compliant | 15:05 |
| ttx | but others are more grey and I could tap into collective wisdom | 15:05 |
| ttx | I copied the list on the etherpad | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | What is the reason for charms, chef, and helm needing to tag their own? | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | Well, and rally for that matter. | 15:06 |
| ttx | smcginnis: they probably don't | 15:06 |
| ttx | are may be doing it for lack of release jobs | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | I could see refstack, and agree on the infra ones. | 15:06 |
| ttx | s/are/and/ | 15:07 |
| ttx | so | 15:07 |
| ttx | Infra is "not openstack" | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | Ah, so their release needs may be unique enough that we don't have those situations covered right now maybe. | 15:07 |
| ttx | so it does not need to tag through us | 15:08 |
| ttx | Charms | 15:08 |
| ttx | If you look at them they are tagged per Ubuntu releases | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | I think the thing with infra was they didn't want to wait if they needed a release to fix something in a hurry. Also all of their things are "independent" and we were relaxed about independent projects in the past. | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | Oh, that makes sense. (charms) | 15:08 |
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| ttx | So I guess the question becomes, should we handle tagging for anything in the deployment space | 15:09 |
| ttx | since some of those need tagging to align with the ecosystem they proxy with | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | We do ansible and puppet. But I suppose these may be distinct enough that we don't need to handle them. | 15:10 |
| ttx | We traditionally did not do Charms or Chef, and haven't been doing Helm yet | 15:11 |
| ttx | OK, let's set that one aside | 15:12 |
| ttx | RefStack -- arguably also not a part of OpenStack but more of a thing that gravitates around it | 15:12 |
| ttx | Rally on the other hand... | 15:12 |
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| ttx | is in the openstack-operations bucket and considered a part of OpenSTack (as of today) | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, that one looks the most suspect to me. | 15:13 |
| ttx | Well, the most suspect to me is ec2-api | 15:13 |
| ttx | since it's in the main "openstack" bucket it's as central as it can be | 15:13 |
| ttx | and yet not included in openstack releases I suppose | 15:13 |
| ttx | since we don't tag it | 15:14 |
| smcginnis | I was just looking at the Teams section. Yeah, ec2-api looks like it should be too. | 15:14 |
| ttx | not even independent or cycle-linked | 15:14 |
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| dhellmann | I guess I'm OK with letting deployment tools tag their own releases. I don't know if any of them would want us to manage the tags for them if we announce that, but are we prepared for a mix (some do, some don't)? | 15:14 |
| ttx | yeah the deployment tools are not my major concern right now | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | rally and ec2-api feel like things we should be including in the releases site | 15:15 |
| fungi | i foresee infra probably adopting a lot of the same release automation in time, but probably with its own release management team | 15:15 |
| ttx | libraries and openstack bits are | 15:15 |
| ttx | dhellmann: +dragonflow | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I see no reason to make exceptions for those | 15:16 |
| ttx | all the others are more corner cases | 15:16 |
| ttx | like openstack/manila-test-image | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | Was there some talk of rally moving out of OpenStack proper into a more general Python security thing? | 15:16 |
| ttx | not really part of the "product" | 15:16 |
| fungi | smcginnis: that was bandit, not rally | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | Oh, right! | 15:16 |
| ttx | smcginnis: rally just moved openstack-specuific stuff into a plugin to be more generally applicable | 15:17 |
| fungi | though rally has recently decomposed its openstack-specific bits and moved them into their own repo so that it can be a more generalized testing framework, according to that recent ml thread | 15:17 |
| ttx | right that ^ | 15:17 |
| ttx | So the other one I'd like to prioritize is openstack/yaql | 15:17 |
| ttx | since afaict it's a lib | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | yes | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | that's part of mistral, iirc | 15:18 |
| d0ugal | it is | 15:18 |
| ttx | and maybe openstack/networking-powervm and openstack/nova-powervm, if we do dragonflow | 15:18 |
| fungi | murano | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | I thought we had all of the libraries covered already | 15:18 |
| fungi | not mistral | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | Ah, I didn't think that was used by other deliverables, but if others are, that should be part of the deliverables. | 15:18 |
| ttx | it's in global reqs yes | 15:19 |
| ttx | So I created tasks on that story: | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | I think we want anything installed in a production deployment to be listed on releases.o.o | 15:19 |
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| ttx | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001831 | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | Hey jungleboyj | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Great, those tasks look good to me. | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | And now we have somewhere to track it. | 15:21 |
| ttx | I just adjusted them | 15:21 |
| ttx | Trying to prioritize them | 15:21 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 15:21 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ＼( ･_･) | 15:21 |
| ttx | I kept only 5 for the time being | 15:21 |
| ttx | (you might need to refresh page) | 15:22 |
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| smcginnis | So we should contact those teams and make sure they are aware of it (and make sure they don't have a good reason for not changing things). | 15:22 |
| ttx | We traditionally did not do Charms or Chef, and haven't been doing Helm yetec2-api dragonflow rally powerVMstackers and yaql | 15:22 |
| ttx | err | 15:22 |
| ttx | ec2-api dragonflow rally powerVMstackers and yaql | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | That list is a good start. | 15:22 |
| ttx | OK, if you contact any of those teams, don't forget to put your name on that task | 15:23 |
| ttx | so that we don't duplicate work | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | I can post something on the ML tagging these teams. Unless someone else wants to take that task. | 15:23 |
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| ttx | go for it | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | d0ugal seems to be here, we could tackle yaql now | 15:23 |
| ttx | That is all I had | 15:23 |
| d0ugal | dhellmann: What needs to be tacked? :) | 15:24 |
| d0ugal | tackled* | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | d0ugal : we would like to add yaql to the list of repos with releases managed through openstack/releases. That means an ACL change and importing the history. I can do that for you if you don't have an issue with it. | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | it's not really clear why it isn't already being handled that way | 15:25 |
| fungi | i'm curious why we're asking d0ugal though | 15:25 |
| fungi | as it's a murano deliverable, not mistral | 15:25 |
| d0ugal | Yeah, that is the confusion | 15:26 |
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| d0ugal | Thanks fungi - I was just trying to type it up | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | oh, is it? | 15:26 |
| d0ugal | Mistral uses YAQL only | 15:26 |
| fungi | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/projects/murano.html#yaql | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | why did I think it was mistral? | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | ok, nm then | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | sorry, d0ugal | 15:26 |
| d0ugal | dhellmann: np | 15:26 |
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| * fungi tried to correct that misconception up at 15:18 | 15:26 | |
| d0ugal | I would be happy to help more with YAQL as we are heavy users... but that is another matter :) | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I thought when d0ugal said "it is" he was saying it was owned by mistral, not just used | 15:27 |
| d0ugal | my bad. | 15:27 |
| * d0ugal steps aside | 15:27 | |
| fungi | zhurong doesn't seem to be in channel, but this may also be a bad time to get ahold of them | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | probably | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | We can cover it on the ML. | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | I'll wait for smcginnis' email | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | ttx: AOB? | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | #topic Availability next week | 15:28 |
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| ttx | yeah won't be around | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | Ah - absent du bureau | 15:29 |
| ttx | Will be drinking Tuscan wine with flaper87 in Florence | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | So ttx and I are out Thursday and Friday. | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | Nice! | 15:29 |
| ttx | AND not even ashamed | 15:29 |
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| smcginnis | I may be around, but I will be chaperoning a group of high school students in Chicago, so not sure on my availability. | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | So don't want to commit to anything. | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | that sounds like a full time job | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Do you want to run the meeting next week? Or should we just skip. | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | we can probably skip the meeting if it's just me and fungi. I know how to reach him if we have issues. | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | It is Rocky-1, so not sure. | 15:30 |
| fungi | sure, i'll be around | 15:31 |
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| smcginnis | But yeah, we can probably sync up async in our normal channel. | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | if people have issues, they usually come to the channel rather than the meeting anyway | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | though we do seem to have a nice crowd here today :-) | 15:31 |
| ttx | dhellmann: drinking with flaper87 is indeed a full time job | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | heh | 15:31 |
| fungi | i have no opinion on whether it's necessary to hold the meeting, but happy to help out with any issues which arise either way | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | Let's plan to skip. We can leave it up to you if you decide to hold one based on what the need ends up being. | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | wfm | 15:32 |
| * flaper87 is proud to be a job provider for ppl around the world | 15:32 | |
| smcginnis | #info Likely skipping next weeks meeting unless some compelling need comes up | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | flaper87: :) | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | #topic Rocky-1 actions | 15:32 |
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| smcginnis | Just thought we should do a quick update ahead of next weeks milestone | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | I actually think we are in great shape. At least better than we were for queens at this point. | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | So (knock on wood) I don't expect next week to be too crazy. | 15:33 |
| fungi | making headway while we can, because the switch from xenial to bionic will probably set people back | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | I have a foggy mind today, which I blame on a cat that decided 6:00 was a good time to turn the bed into a race track. What did we decide about applying tags for teams? | 15:33 |
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| dhellmann | for teams that do not submit them, that is | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | I actually meant to bring that up as it was one of the things I moved to SB. | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | I _think_ we said we force tagging if it was missed. | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | so maybe on friday around our meeting time? | 15:35 |
| ttx | yes I think we said that would tarin people to expect us to step in | 15:35 |
| ttx | train | 15:35 |
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| ttx | downside being for milestones I expect most would just wait for us to step in | 15:35 |
| ttx | can't remember if we said that we'd do it for milestone-1 though | 15:36 |
| smcginnis | I do think we need to track which ones we initiate so if we end up forcing it this cycle, we kick them out of the common release next time around if they do not step up. | 15:36 |
| ttx | ok, so it would still be condidered a fail | 15:36 |
| smcginnis | Maybe good to just force it starting with milestone 2? | 15:36 |
| ttx | yeah... | 15:36 |
| ttx | We can miss m-1 | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | ok, that sounds good | 15:36 |
| ttx | use m-2 as a reminder | 15:36 |
| ttx | so that we can step in m-3 | 15:37 |
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| ttx | and if people missed too often we have "the discussion" with them | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Wait, force only on 3? Or 2 and later? | 15:37 |
| ttx | break a few fingers | 15:37 |
| ttx | 2 and later | 15:37 |
| ttx | I need to run in a minute | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | OK, so the plan is: miss milestone 1 - public shaming on the ML, miss milestone 2 - public shaming an ML and we force a release, etc. | 15:38 |
| ttx | I'm fine with that | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | wfm | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | And if they miss all, they are on "the list" and if they miss milestone 1 in the next cycle they are out. | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | I'm going to write that up in a patch to the readme | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Want to take my SB task for that? | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | sure | 15:39 |
| ttx | yes our aging brains are not working that well as a memory device those days | 15:39 |
| smcginnis | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001847 | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | ttx: it's all that drinking with flaper87 | 15:39 |
| smcginnis | Haha | 15:39 |
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| * fungi hasn't been drinking with flaper87 lately, so not sure what my excuse is | 15:40 | |
| ttx | must be rum | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | Or sake. | 15:40 |
| ttx | ok got to run | 15:40 |
| ttx | ttyl | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | OK, anything else we need to discuss for R-1? | 15:40 |
| fungi | both probably | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | ttx: o/ | 15:41 |
| ttx | don't assign too many work items to me while I look the other way | 15:41 |
| * flaper87 is happy to be blamed for these things | 15:41 | |
| ttx | I READ LOGS | 15:41 |
| * smcginnis fires up SB | 15:41 | |
| flaper87 | fungi: we can fix that in YVR | 15:41 |
| ttx | flaper87: you're happy to be blamed for everything | 15:41 |
| fungi | flaper87: you're on ;) | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | ttx: it's tough but someone has to do the job | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | can someone remind me how to link to a storyboard story in a git message? | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | "Story-ID"? | 15:42 |
| fungi | Story: #NNNNN | 15:42 |
| fungi | Task: #NNNN | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | thanks | 15:42 |
| fungi | capitalization, spacing and the # are optional | 15:42 |
| fungi | we have documentation somewhere ;) | 15:43 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Is it both story and task? | 15:43 |
| smcginnis | Or just task is enough? | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/561258 | 15:43 |
| patchbot | patch 561258 - releases - document that we will force tag milestones | 15:43 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: You're quick! | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | I didn't want to forget to do it ;-) | 15:43 |
| fungi | story makes its-storyboard leave a comment on the story with a hyperlink to the review (or it should, but we broke that and i'm trying to hunt down how we should fix it). task changes the status of a single task | 15:44 |
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| dhellmann | oh, I guess I could add the task too | 15:44 |
| fungi | we separated story commenting from task status updating because by composing the two (or not) you can achieve different desired effects | 15:44 |
| fungi | like you may want to have a review leave a comment on a story even if there's no task associated with it, or you may want to update multiple tasks | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | makes sense | 15:45 |
| smcginnis | Makes sense. | 15:45 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:45 |
| smcginnis | OK, anything else for today? | 15:45 |
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| fungi | #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#working-on-bugs Working on Bugs | 15:46 |
| fungi | is where we have it documented in the developer workflow | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | this week at some point tonyb mentioned in a review comment that we need to be able to show the support status for a deliverable in a series | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | I opened a story for that | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 15:46 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: I missed that. | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | but I can't figure out how to make SB open it in a way that I can past the link | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | here we go | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001852 | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | So for extended maintenance, being able to show the state of a stable deliverable. | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | that web ui is too smart; it doesn't work with right clicking to open things in new windows | 15:47 |
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| dhellmann | right | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | the point is that some things won't actually have support so we can no longer say that "ocata" is under EM | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | although that might be the default for ocata | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | A repo tag? Or another line in the deliverable file of that cycle? | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | I was thinking a new field in the deliverable file, with a default that comes from something built into the rendering code | 15:49 |
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| dhellmann | I put it on the backlog for now | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | OK, sounds good. | 15:49 |
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| smcginnis | And then we'll need some update on the web page to reflect that. | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:50 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : after you figure out what's going on with commenting on stories, maybe you can also help with https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001806 | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | I think the top level releases.o.o can still show the overall phase that a release is in, but then going into that release, each project needs its own status. | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | we want comments on stories or tasks or whatever when a change is released, like we have with LP | 15:51 |
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| dhellmann | smcginnis : yeah, we'll have to figure out how to represent that but you're probably right | 15:51 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: sure, that shouldn't be too hard | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | one of these days I'll get back around to try to release the storyboard client | 15:52 |
| fungi | the bit with gerrit not commenting on stories is harder to track down due to the opaque nature of its inferred configuration and being implemented in java (as a gerrit plugin) | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | oh, yeah, this other thing should be easy in comparison | 15:52 |
| smcginnis | Any final things? | 15:56 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis, ttx: it looks like you opened stories. Maybe add them to the backlog column on https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/64 as well? | 15:57 |
| fungi | nothing from me | 15:57 |
| smcginnis | I needed to look into that next. Too bad it doesn't automatically pick those up. | 15:57 |
| fungi | it can pick them up if you do an automatic lane based on a tag name or something | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | hmm, I suppose I could set the board up that way | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | I can get mine added. | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we could just do it by repo and status or something | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | that makes it harder to separate backlog and todo, though | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | We can follow up on that later. 1 minute left. | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | k | 15:58 |
| fungi | right. using story tags can make some of that viable depending on what you want | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | Guess that's it for the meeting then. Thanks everyone. | 15:59 |
| fungi | thanks smcginnis!@ | 15:59 |
| annabelleB | thanks smcginnis! | 15:59 |
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| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Apr 13 15:59:48 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-04-13-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-04-13-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-04-13-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 15:59 |
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