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| zhiyuan | hi | 00:55 |
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| Yipei | hi | 00:55 |
| song | hi | 00:55 |
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| zhiyuan | #startmeeting tricircle | 00:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 18 00:59:27 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhiyuan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 00:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 00:59 |
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| zhiyuan | Yipei, have you done some tests on the routed network gateway solution we discussed last week? | 01:00 |
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| Yipei | not jet, i am working on it. | 01:01 |
| Yipei | trying to create a blank port when adding gateway port when updating the router | 01:02 |
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| Yipei | then, i think i also need to test the floating ip creation | 01:03 |
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| zhiyuan | yeah, the default fip creation will allocate ip from the external subnet so we need to change | 01:04 |
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| Yipei | ok, got it, i will speed up, i can spend more time on the feature in the next two month | 01:06 |
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| Yipei | my personal business has come to an end recently | 01:06 |
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| zhiyuan | great! | 01:07 |
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| zhiyuan | song, what about the "local resource name" feature? | 01:11 |
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| song | hi,zhiyuan.for this pb use top_name plus top_id to set the name of bottom resource.do we just only need to check in the tricircle cli whether the top_id is equal to top_name and nothing more need to do. | 01:12 |
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| zhiyuan | currently for some resources like network and subnet, the name of local resource is the ID of central resource, we need to (1) use name+ID to set the local resource name (2) change the local resource query filter from "ID as name" to "name+ID as name" | 01:17 |
| zhiyuan | https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/master/tricircle/network/helper.py#L144 | 01:18 |
| zhiyuan | you can see in the function that we are listing resource with filter: key: name, value: ele_['id'] | 01:19 |
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| song | oh, got it. thank you!do this change may have big effect in our test? | 01:21 |
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| zhiyuan | smoke test needs some changes, in the "check" task set, we query some local resources by their name as central resource ID: name: preparation@router@id | 01:26 |
| zhiyuan | but not all the resources | 01:26 |
| song | oh, that is good. | 01:27 |
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| zhiyuan | for unit tests, it will be fine if the helper "FakeClass" in tricircle/tests/unit/utils.py is used. the query filter is not hard-coded in the "FakeClass" so I think no effect after we change the name from "ID" to "name+ID" | 01:30 |
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| song | it is really a good news.we plan to finish the code this week and see how much effect to the smoke test. | 01:33 |
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| zhiyuan | oh, our task runner also need some changes. currently it doesn't support expression in yaml file, so you cannot define the filter in yaml like "name: router@id + router@name" | 01:38 |
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| song | so the task runner will need to add filer in yaml for this change.got it! | 01:40 |
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| zhiyuan | enable task runner to process expression so we can pass like "name: router@id+router@name" or "name: concat(router@id, router@name)" in yaml | 01:43 |
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| song | ok, that is no problem.we will use a general method not hard code with it.:) | 01:46 |
| zhiyuan | fine :) | 01:47 |
| zhiyuan | other topics? | 01:47 |
| xuzhuang | no from me | 01:48 |
| Yipei | no for me | 01:48 |
| song | on for me | 01:48 |
| zhiyuan | ok | 01:48 |
| song | no for me | 01:48 |
| zhiyuan | #endmeeting | 01:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 01:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 18 01:48:40 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:48 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 01:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-04-18-00.59.html | 01:48 |
| zhujintao | bye | 01:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-04-18-00.59.txt | 01:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-04-18-00.59.log.html | 01:48 |
| song | bye | 01:48 |
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| diablo_rojo | #startmeeting fc_sig | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 18 08:00:19 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig' | 08:00 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, mattoliverau, cmurphy | 08:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 08:00 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, hello :) | 08:00 |
| cmurphy | sorry i missed last week, was on vacation | 08:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 08:00 |
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| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, no problem :) Go somewhere fun? | 08:00 |
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| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: yes! I went to Iceland | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, OH MAN thats awesome! | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Favorite part? | 08:01 |
| gmann | great | 08:02 |
| cmurphy | the auroras and the giant glacier | 08:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh yeah I bet the auroras are pretty easy to see there | 08:02 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, said he might be a little late so we can give him a few minutes to show up before we get started | 08:04 |
| gmann | yea | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Meeting_Agenda Today's Agenda | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | in case anyone wants to add anything last minute | 08:04 |
| mattoliverau | make it | 08:05 |
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| mattoliverau | made it | 08:05 |
| mattoliverau | tho apparently I can't type | 08:05 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: you can stop watching youtube now :P | 08:06 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, wasn't watching this time :P | 08:06 |
| diablo_rojo | So without further ado, lets get this party started! | 08:06 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic New contributor patches! | 08:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New contributor patches! (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 08:06 | |
| diablo_rojo | Have we noticed any areas that we are struggling to get a liaison to help with? I can work on filling out the list again. | 08:08 |
| mattoliverau | I looked.. there wasn't much in the last 7 days at least. | 08:08 |
| diablo_rojo | Tempted to send something to the ML and be like I'm signing up PTL's. If you don't want on my list, find another person to delegate. | 08:08 |
| mattoliverau | oh, there are some more from about about 30 mins about now.. | 08:08 |
| gmann | yes, no new one and almost old one are with review comments | 08:08 |
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| diablo_rojo | I feel like we've mostly caught up with things, but I wanted to see if anyone else noticed there were places we had holes and things weren't being covered. | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Maybe we start circling back to the ones that we added other project cores to that still havent gotten attention? | 08:11 |
| * diablo_rojo is just spitballing | 08:11 | |
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| mattoliverau | yeah, anything that doesn't have any votes might be good candidates for a relook, even if old | 08:11 |
| gmann | yea | 08:11 |
| mattoliverau | especially if we find there still on first patchset | 08:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Simultaneously there are a lot that are just waiting on updates from these new contributors too. | 08:11 |
| mattoliverau | that kinda looks bad | 08:11 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, I noticed that too | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | I suppose if we get super desperate we can email the gerrit email about the patch to see if they aren't working on OpenStack anymore. | 08:12 |
| mattoliverau | but hopefully there would be a + or - 1 for those | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | And abandon if they arent. | 08:12 |
| * diablo_rojo continues to muse aloud | 08:12 | |
| gmann | i usually post reply to abandon on gerrit but does not work. | 08:13 |
| gmann | asking them on email is good idea | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, yeah I suppose if its older than x months we can just abandon with comments on the patch. | 08:13 |
| gmann | +1 | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | And if its only y months old we can email and check in to see if they need help or have moved on? | 08:14 |
| diablo_rojo | What we want to set as x & y as can be up for debate | 08:14 |
| gmann | first we message and after week we abandon. that is usually we do in nova and QA | 08:14 |
| mattoliverau | I'll try and find the abandon code I had that would keep track and even email if they looked stale.. I got sidetracked with tags this week. | 08:14 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, oh thats a good system | 08:14 |
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| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, no worries, that was super helpful | 08:15 |
| * diablo_rojo hasn't been the most productive in this area lately | 08:15 | |
| diablo_rojo | I might be juggling a lot right now lol | 08:15 |
| mattoliverau | :( | 08:16 |
| mattoliverau | whatever you do, don't burn the cadle from both ends for too long. Don't want you to burn out | 08:16 |
| diablo_rojo | So what do we want to make the practice? First comment. X weeks/months with no response and email? Y weeks pass after and then we comment again and abandon? | 08:16 |
| mattoliverau | yup | 08:17 |
| gmann | perfect | 08:17 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, Just tuesday night/wednesday mornings. The rest of the week I go to bed by like 12 :) | 08:17 |
| diablo_rojo | So x be 1 month? Or more? | 08:17 |
| cmurphy | we don't necessarily have the power to abandon things, only project cores or the owner can do that | 08:17 |
| diablo_rojo | And y be like 1 week? | 08:17 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, true | 08:17 |
| cmurphy | and different projects might have different policies on abandoning things | 08:17 |
| diablo_rojo | I guess it only applies to the projects we can touch. | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, what does keystone do? | 08:18 |
| mattoliverau | my swift abandoner did something similar. a -1 with no updates for 4 weeks, then it'll automatically email. Then wait 2 more weeks and add them to a list for a human to review (slow to auto abandon) | 08:18 |
| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: if the patch is clearly going no where we abandon after like a year | 08:18 |
| cmurphy | we have some around that are older than that because it's possible they could get picked up again | 08:18 |
| mattoliverau | that way a core would have to look at the "possibly" abandoned patch. | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, okay cool so a little more easy going about things. | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, makes sense | 08:19 |
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| diablo_rojo | its interesting to see how different each project handles things :) | 08:19 |
| * mattoliverau can blow dust off the old code and look at changing it to suite our needs... and laugh at how bad my coding was back then :P | 08:20 | |
| diablo_rojo | I guess the more important part about this discussion is emailing them and seeing if they need help rather than the abandoning- thats just my need to clean things up coming through again lol | 08:20 |
| cmurphy | ++ reaching out is the important part | 08:21 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, I agree. if they're new, we don't want to say.. your only patch might be abandoned.. that's kinda not friendly and scary | 08:21 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, agreed | 08:21 |
| gmann | yea | 08:21 |
| cmurphy | ++ | 08:21 |
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| diablo_rojo | So maybe nevermind the abandoning part but if we haven't seen any activity in a month we should email (and probably post a comment saying we have done for the sake of organization) | 08:22 |
| cmurphy | +++ | 08:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh wow an extra '+' :) | 08:23 |
| cmurphy | that was an accident | 08:23 |
| cmurphy | but i'll stand by it | 08:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Dang, and here I thought I had said something that awesome | 08:23 |
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| diablo_rojo | So new homework then! Go back over the things you've reviewed with no responses and email people :) | 08:24 |
| mattoliverau | oh cool, if you want to look at my old bad code.. it's on my github: https://github.com/matthewoliver/swift_abandon_notifier | 08:24 |
| diablo_rojo | #action if a new contributor hasn't uploaded a new patchset or posted a reply comment in >= 1 month, send them an email and see if they need help | 08:24 |
| * diablo_rojo opens tab for tomorrow | 08:24 | |
| mattoliverau | it doesn't actually abandon, just makes a list of things that need follow up.. ie an email has been sent and still no response | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | Do we want to come up with some sort of generic template email? | 08:25 |
| mattoliverau | yup | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, sounds like what we want to do | 08:25 |
| * diablo_rojo can add that to her todo list for between now and the next meeting | 08:25 | |
| diablo_rojo | In the meantime, feel free to wing it. | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else on this topic? | 08:26 |
| gmann | and how we list patch that who emailed, to avoid multiple emails :) | 08:26 |
| mattoliverau | that's what the tool was for :) | 08:26 |
| diablo_rojo | action item for you then mattoliverau :) | 08:27 |
| mattoliverau | I'll try setting it up and having a play before next week. | 08:27 |
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| gmann | cool | 08:27 |
| diablo_rojo | #action mattoliverau will try to get his abandon_notifier script up and running for next weeks meeting | 08:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh! and one last thing- my new storyboard contributor hasn't gotten their first patch merged yet to be the new contrib of the month so..we could probably do someone else in the meantime | 08:28 |
| diablo_rojo | So.. | 08:28 |
| mattoliverau | ...and maybe change it's name :) | 08:28 |
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| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, that too :) | 08:28 |
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| diablo_rojo | Next topic? | 08:30 |
| mattoliverau | Well I don't have anyone in mind, so yours might just have to be _next_ months contributor of the month :) | 08:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Works for me | 08:30 |
| mattoliverau | we did say it didn't have to be every month | 08:30 |
| diablo_rojo | True | 08:30 |
| mattoliverau | but if I see anyone I'll ping y'all | 08:30 |
| diablo_rojo | I remember that discussion from last meeting | 08:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay moving on then. | 08:30 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Ask.o.o | 08:30 |
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| diablo_rojo | So, no new things that I saw, but it seems we have a lot of new tags we could look at that mattoliverau found | 08:30 |
| * diablo_rojo is combining standing items with other items | 08:30 | |
| mattoliverau | that's ok | 08:31 |
| gmann | yea no new question there. though i replied nova and qa one which were not related to new contributors | 08:31 |
| diablo_rojo | I agree community, development, developer, and gettingstarted could be added to our list | 08:31 |
| mattoliverau | I didn't know where to put the list, so added it to the end | 08:31 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, works just fine. | 08:32 |
| diablo_rojo | I feel like basics, beginner, newbie and noob (or n00b if you prefer) are all generic enough that we might get a lot of operations-y things in with them | 08:32 |
| mattoliverau | yeah | 08:33 |
| diablo_rojo | That being said, once we get some operator friends in our awesome group I am 100% cool with adding those as well | 08:33 |
| mattoliverau | though if we have to filter with our eyes a little it isn't too bad | 08:33 |
| diablo_rojo | I just would be less helpful at responding to those. | 08:33 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, fair point | 08:33 |
| mattoliverau | I mean, it wouldn't mean we'd reply to everything that turned up. | 08:33 |
| diablo_rojo | True. | 08:34 |
| mattoliverau | I picked the tags that might include people looking for help contributing | 08:34 |
| mattoliverau | but yeah, some seem too general. | 08:34 |
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| diablo_rojo | Yeah I can see myself using those if I was new still :) | 08:34 |
| diablo_rojo | I also haven't heard back from Jimmy about if there were any he wanted us to add to our list. | 08:35 |
| diablo_rojo | I dunno. Thoughts from gmann or cmurphy ? | 08:35 |
| mattoliverau | I just went through the list.. found a bunch. Then went and did a search in ask.o.o for each one. Things that came up with nothing.. removed from the list. Things that popped up that _could_ potentually be relevent I kept in. Though your right there is alot of overlap.. | 08:35 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, obviously we just need ops-y friends to help us and then we can add them all to the list | 08:36 |
| gmann | same, all of them (mentioned on wifi)are good to track | 08:36 |
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| mattoliverau | I erred on the side of keeping things in, cause there easy to remove.. but not necessarily easy to find again (crazy wall of tags) | 08:36 |
| * gmann was trying to build single query with all tags but need to check later | 08:36 | |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: great idea! | 08:36 |
| mattoliverau | :P | 08:36 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, yeah we can do that later | 08:36 |
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| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, I submitted the forum topic and reserved space if it doesn't get accepted so it will be on the schedule one way or another | 08:37 |
| diablo_rojo | That's about all I can do right now. | 08:37 |
| diablo_rojo | Once forum topics are chose I plan to tweet up a storm about all my sessions | 08:37 |
| mattoliverau | I know, you've done great! | 08:37 |
| diablo_rojo | *chosen | 08:38 |
| diablo_rojo | I am kind of getting ahead of the agenda.. | 08:38 |
| diablo_rojo | Sticking to tags for now. | 08:38 |
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| mattoliverau | I think you've just rolled the rest of the topics into 1 :P | 08:38 |
| diablo_rojo | So adding community, development, developer, and gettingstarted | 08:39 |
| cmurphy | sounds good | 08:39 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, did you want to make a query for all of them and update the agenda with it? | 08:39 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: yea | 08:39 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool thanks :) | 08:39 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay so next topic? | 08:40 |
| mattoliverau | yup | 08:40 |
| gmann | yea | 08:40 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic #openstack-101 is no more! | 08:40 |
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| diablo_rojo | Self explanatory | 08:40 |
| gmann | \o/ | 08:40 |
| diablo_rojo | But thanks to mattoliverau and dmsimard|off for getting that done :) | 08:40 |
| gmann | thanks mattoliverau dmsimard|off | 08:41 |
| diablo_rojo | Thank you also for updating the training-guides OUI slides too. | 08:41 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, ^^ | 08:41 |
| mattoliverau | no worries. I went on an openstack-101 hunt :) | 08:41 |
| diablo_rojo | KILL ALL THE 101 MENTIONS | 08:41 |
| mattoliverau | and turns out getting an irc channel removed... not too hard. if you have infra's help of course ;) | 08:42 |
| diablo_rojo | I thiiiink there is a master list of channels in a wiki somewhere? Might want to find that and update it too. | 08:42 |
| diablo_rojo | If there is one and I am not crazy. | 08:42 |
| mattoliverau | oh yeah, there could be. good point | 08:42 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, good to know | 08:42 |
| diablo_rojo | So much duplicated info. It will be a wonderful day when the contributor guide is the source. | 08:43 |
| mattoliverau | +100 | 08:43 |
| gmann | true | 08:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Anywho, next topic! | 08:43 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Forum Planning | 08:43 |
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| diablo_rojo | So we have the two proposed forum topics | 08:43 |
| diablo_rojo | I think we are into voting now or something? | 08:44 |
| * diablo_rojo can't remember exactly how that works | 08:44 | |
| gmann | no voting actually but yes we can comment. | 08:44 |
| gmann | i think i did for both | 08:44 |
| diablo_rojo | I had seen that cdent and gmann had commented on the orgazing base reqs for contribution one | 08:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Will have to look at the other. | 08:44 |
| diablo_rojo | But yes! please comment and promote :) | 08:44 |
| mattoliverau | oh, we can comment. I'll try and remember to do that thing tomorrow | 08:45 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, awesome :) | 08:45 |
| * diablo_rojo goes to look up when decisions will be made by | 08:45 | |
| diablo_rojo | Next week ish? | 08:46 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum | 08:46 |
| diablo_rojo | April 22nd? | 08:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Or May 2 for final decisions and scheduling? | 08:46 |
| mattoliverau | oh.. ok that's soon | 08:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Not sure who is actually on the Forum Selection Committee either | 08:47 |
| diablo_rojo | 2 delegates from the Technical Committee | 08:47 |
| diablo_rojo | 2 delegates from the User Committee | 08:47 |
| diablo_rojo | 2 OpenStack Foundation staff members | 08:47 |
| diablo_rojo | But no names | 08:47 |
| mattoliverau | cmurphy is a little quiet.. hmm. | 08:47 |
| mattoliverau | :P | 08:47 |
| diablo_rojo | I can't believe how close we are to the end of April already. | 08:47 |
| gmann | :) | 08:47 |
| mattoliverau | yeah. isn't the 22nd a Sunday. | 08:48 |
| gmann | cmurphy has to play both role :) | 08:48 |
| mattoliverau | I guess that's ok. I'd have thought it would be a Friday or something. but 2 extra days is good | 08:48 |
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| diablo_rojo | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/85 Forum Topic on Forming base reqs | 08:48 |
| cmurphy | i'm not on the selection committee | 08:49 |
| diablo_rojo | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/84 Forum topic on getting ops involved and doing a state of the union | 08:49 |
| diablo_rojo | ^^ links for commenting on :) | 08:49 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, any idea who is? | 08:49 |
| cmurphy | I think it's TheJulia and pabelanger | 08:49 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool. Good to know :) | 08:49 |
| diablo_rojo | I think that was all I had for that topic. Anyone else got anything else? | 08:50 |
| diablo_rojo | (10 min left) | 08:50 |
| mattoliverau | nope | 08:50 |
| gmann | nothing from me | 08:51 |
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| diablo_rojo | #topic Open Discussion | 08:51 |
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| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, did you find out if you can come early to Vancouver for OUI? | 08:51 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, I think you have a patch in the contrib guide that has comments on it that needs addressing. | 08:51 |
| diablo_rojo | about the ssh keys | 08:51 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: oh cool, I'll take a look | 08:52 |
| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: I will be there Sunday so I can probably come in the morning for OUI but I'm not sure if it's that helpful to only come for part of one day | 08:52 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yeah ianychoi commented but voted 0 so you wouldnt know if you didn't go look at it | 08:52 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, we will take all the help we can get :) | 08:53 |
| cmurphy | okay then I'll show up :) | 08:53 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: ahh, thanks for the heads up. | 08:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Come, hang out (we ususally have breakfast) and then you can sneak out when smcginnis does | 08:53 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, no problem :) | 08:53 |
| cmurphy | breakfast ftw | 08:54 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah, we have a sponsor I think so there should be food. If not, mtreinish has a habit of showing up with donuts and things. | 08:54 |
| diablo_rojo | Thankfully the gym I go to has a location in the convention center lol | 08:55 |
| mattoliverau | oh yeah, the donuts!! | 08:55 |
| gmann | or i can bring japanese fruite cake or somehting :) | 08:55 |
| gmann | fruit rice cake :) | 08:55 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, you need to send along tim tams | 08:55 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, sounds fancy :) | 08:55 |
| mattoliverau | lol, I should. | 08:55 |
| gmann | tim tams wow | 08:55 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yes you should :) | 08:55 |
| diablo_rojo | (five min left) | 08:55 |
| * diablo_rojo should have had that monster closer to 8 rather than 10 | 08:56 | |
| cmurphy | :'D | 08:57 |
| diablo_rojo | :D | 08:57 |
| diablo_rojo | I think that concludes all the things I wanted to talk about. | 08:58 |
| mattoliverau | I think we might be done. diablo_rojo, did you want an early mark and get some sleep? | 08:58 |
| diablo_rojo | If there's nothing else from anyone we can call it. | 08:58 |
| mattoliverau | call it... do it.. you know you wanna | 08:58 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, if I can- a little wired right now, but I should go to sleep since I have another meeting in like..6 hours. | 08:58 |
| gmann | yea | 08:58 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay calling it! | 08:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks everyone :) | 08:59 |
| gmann | thanks :) | 08:59 |
| diablo_rojo | #endmeeting | 08:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 08:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 18 08:59:23 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:59 |
| mattoliverau | thank you | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-04-18-08.00.html | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-04-18-08.00.txt | 08:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-04-18-08.00.log.html | 08:59 |
| cmurphy | see ya | 08:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Toodles :) | 08:59 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 18 14:00:59 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 14:01 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 14:01 | |
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| mugsie | frickler: daidv bnemec meeting ping | 14:04 |
| bnemec | o/ | 14:05 |
| frickler | oh, a meeting o/ | 14:05 |
| mugsie | I have put 4 reminders in my calander to make sure :) | 14:05 |
| mugsie | #topic Bug Triage | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug Triage (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 14:06 | |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1758013 | 14:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1758013 in Designate ""also_notifies" section is not purged by designate when removing it from "pools.yaml" file" [Undecided,New] | 14:07 |
| mugsie | this looks like a legitimate bug | 14:07 |
| mugsie | I think the object changes tracking thing is not fully working | 14:07 |
| mugsie | or we are doing a merge, and not taking the lack of a key to be empty | 14:08 |
| mugsie | ]but a real bug non the less | 14:08 |
| frickler | deleting from hashes is always difficult, maybe the workaround is indeed the correct solution | 14:08 |
| frickler | but I didn't look in detail yet | 14:09 |
| mugsie | yeah | 14:09 |
| mugsie | that is all the new untriaged bugs | 14:09 |
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| mugsie | #topic Backports | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Backports (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 14:10 | |
| mugsie | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/719477/ | 14:10 |
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| mugsie | the only one may be bba6022a Update auth_uri option to www_authenticate_uri ? but I am not sure if that is worth it | 14:11 |
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| mugsie | the d72c6520 Ensure we do not pass invalid data for A records patch only applied to rocky | 14:11 |
| frickler | that doesn't look suitable for a backport, too (the auth_uri) | 14:11 |
| mugsie | it does change the api actually, so no | 14:12 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 14:12 |
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| mugsie | any off agenda items - I know daidv wanted to talk about rolling upgrsdes, but I dont see them | 14:13 |
| frickler | just fyi I started rewriting our jobs in zuul v3 native https://review.openstack.org/561194 | 14:13 |
| mugsie | i saw that work starting - thanks :) | 14:13 |
| frickler | but seems that will still take a bit of work | 14:13 |
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| mugsie | yeah - if you need any help let me know - I think it is a good thing to get done | 14:14 |
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| mugsie | it looks like the pdns server is not being configured for some reason | 14:15 |
| frickler | yes, I didn't have time to look into it because of pip 10 yet | 14:15 |
| frickler | maybe I should start with bind9 instead | 14:15 |
| mugsie | it looks like the pdns server is not being configured for some reason | 14:16 |
| mugsie | It may be easier alright, as bind is a simpler config | 14:16 |
| mugsie | my damn internet is soooooo flaky today :/ | 14:16 |
| frickler | another topic is https://review.openstack.org/556158 "use http code constant instead of int" - do you agree that if we do this, we should change all constants? | 14:17 |
| mugsie | If we do it, yes | 14:17 |
| mugsie | I am not convinced of the value personally | 14:17 |
| frickler | yes, I wouldn't push it myself, but I won't object if it is done properly, too | 14:18 |
| mugsie | yea - that is ny feeling | 14:18 |
| frickler | also just noting that the ReviewPriority thing seems to be working fine so far. not sure though how to integrate that in the dashboard | 14:19 |
| mugsie | the dashboard should be updated with it | 14:19 |
| mugsie | graham.hayes.ie/designate/dashboard has 2 sections on top, Urgent and Priority Fixes | 14:20 |
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| frickler | oh, you added that already, now I need to update my copy of that ;) | 14:21 |
| mugsie | it is just the start to be fair, and if anyone has idea about how to change how we do things with it let me know | 14:21 |
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| mugsie | there is also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/561654/2/dashboards/designate-ptl-overview.dash | 14:22 |
| mugsie | which might be useful for some people | 14:22 |
| mugsie | http://graham.hayes.ie/designate/ptl-dashboard is the link i will keep updated | 14:22 |
| * frickler likes the classification: small/big/aging ;) | 14:23 | |
| mugsie | yeah, i need to tweek the aging one a bit, but it is important | 14:23 |
| frickler | o.k., so then there is the topic of changing the meeting time. I think we discussed this earlier already, but I don't remember the outcome. I guess eanderson would also like to attend | 14:25 |
| mugsie | Yeah | 14:25 |
| mugsie | I think office hours may suit better | 14:25 |
| mugsie | any other topics? | 14:25 |
| mugsie | ignore ^ | 14:26 |
| mugsie | (my internet lagged and nothing was showing -_-) | 14:26 |
| bnemec | FWIW, Oslo has a wayward changes section in its dash: https://github.com/openstack/gerrit-dash-creator/blob/master/dashboards/oslo.dash#L47 | 14:26 |
| bnemec | Although I'm amused its set at 2 days. | 14:26 |
| mugsie | There is no time that suits everyone unfortunately | 14:27 |
| mugsie | bnemec: from a different time? :P | 14:27 |
| mugsie | frickler: you are UTC-1 right? | 14:27 |
| frickler | UTC+2 right now, UTC+1 in the winter | 14:27 |
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| mugsie | bnemec: is -5, and eanderson is -8 | 14:28 |
| bnemec | Is he in Hawaii or something? | 14:28 |
| * bnemec would like to be in Hawaii right now | 14:28 | |
| mugsie | I can try another doodle, or just say x day is in the morning UTC and y day is in the evening UTC | 14:28 |
| mugsie | west coast of the US | 14:29 |
| frickler | probably -7 then with dst currently? | 14:29 |
| bnemec | Oh, that should only be 2 hours off of me. | 14:29 |
| bnemec | Yeah | 14:29 |
| mugsie | #action mugsie mail the -dev list with options, and get feedback | 14:29 |
| mugsie | frickler: yeah | 14:30 |
| mugsie | bnemec: oh, you are central? I thought you were eastern | 14:30 |
| bnemec | Yep, Minnesota. Where we are about to get our third spring blizzard of the year. | 14:30 |
| frickler | oh, I saw pictures from Lambeau field | 14:31 |
| mugsie | weather is wild right now, eh? | 14:31 |
| * mugsie is happy - dublin is 19C right now :) | 14:31 | |
| bnemec | I was actually pretty lucky. Some places got 18 inches of snow last weekend. | 14:31 |
| mugsie | ouch | 14:32 |
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| frickler | berlin has 23C, so I'm also not complaining. except not being able to be in the sun ;) | 14:32 |
| mugsie | :) | 14:32 |
| bnemec | It's Minnesota, so we'll go from freezing and snow to hot and humid in the space of about three days. :-) | 14:33 |
| mugsie | we do that, just not usually with snow | 14:34 |
| mugsie | apart from that one time ... | 14:34 |
| mugsie | :D | 14:34 |
| bnemec | Heh | 14:34 |
| mugsie | OK, any other topics? or will we call it for today? | 14:34 |
| bnemec | I guess a quick update on TripleO integration: | 14:35 |
| mugsie | oh - yes please | 14:35 |
| bnemec | My patches have started to merge, so we should have Designate in TripleO for Rocky. | 14:35 |
| mugsie | \o/ | 14:35 |
| bnemec | I still have more work to do to configure pools correctly, but I should be able to get that done this cycle. | 14:35 |
| mugsie | sweet | 14:36 |
| bnemec | And I'm sure dozens of other little things that I haven't considered, but at least the base will be there. :-) | 14:36 |
| mugsie | yeah, there is always one more little thing around the corner | 14:37 |
| bnemec | Otherwise that's it for me. Oslo PTLing is still eating a lot of time, so we'll see how that shakes out over time. | 14:37 |
| mugsie | cool - as always, if you need anything from us, shout :) | 14:38 |
| mugsie | thanks all! have a good day | 14:39 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 14:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 18 14:39:22 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-04-18-14.00.html | 14:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-04-18-14.00.txt | 14:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-04-18-14.00.log.html | 14:39 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 18 16:00:08 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| erlon | hey | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Courtesy ping: jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | @! | 16:00 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ï¼¼( ï½¥_ï½¥) | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu | hey | 16:00 |
| tpsilva | hello | 16:00 |
| lseki | hi | 16:00 |
| hamdyk | hello | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| ganso | hello | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| xyang | hi | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, looks like we have a pretty good quorum here. | 16:02 |
| eharney | hi | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Good. Was hoping to see you as well. :-) | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Lets get started | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| jungleboyj | So, I am planning to cut milestone 1 today. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Want to make sure to stay on top of that. | 16:04 |
| Swanson | hi | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | Nothing really major to announce with milestone 1 though. I did get the schedule for Cinder out on the web. | 16:05 |
| * jungleboyj is such a slacker | 16:05 | |
| jungleboyj | Just a reminder to watch the mailing list as the TC campaigning has started. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Looks like good candidates out there. | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | I have also gotten our Forum topics posted. So, we will see what comes of that. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-rocky-meeting-agendas | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Our agenda for today for everyone's reference. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | I think that is all we have for announcements. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Rocky Priorities Review | 16:07 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Rocky Priorities Review (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:07 | |
| jungleboyj | So, I see that we have gotten through some of the specs and got them merged. Thank you! | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | I have updated the Rocky Specs/reviews accordingly. | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | Hope as we go toward milestone 2 we will see more reviews show up in here. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | One question. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: We have the same spec under Generic Backup Implementation as well as Scheduler FIxes/improvements. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Is that right? | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: ? | 16:09 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: scheduler improvements will be addressed separately from generic backups | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Beuler ... Beuler ...... | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so I thought you were going to push up some changes to the Generic Backup spec based on discussion at the PTG. | 16:10 |
| erlon | jungleboyj, that is actually another topic | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | erlon: That was what I thought. | 16:11 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: I need to speed with geguileo. mayby I messed something | 16:11 |
| erlon | the scheduler improvements is already listed on the top | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | erlon: Right. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | So, that link in there is wrong. | 16:11 |
| e0ne | here is a second spec according to scheduler https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559718/1/specs/rocky/support-placement-api.rst | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Are you still planning on pushing an update to the Generic Backup Implementation spec? | 16:12 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: I'll ask Gorka and let you know our decision | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Ok. Sounds good. | 16:12 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: at least, I need to add something backups via scheduler related things | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | Right. | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, I won't spend more time on this if you are working on it. | 16:13 |
| e0ne | I've got working PoC, so it will be easier now | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Good. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Are you here? | 16:14 |
| erlon | e0ne, that name of that spec (support placement) is very misleading | 16:14 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: I am | 16:14 |
| tommylikehu | erlon: ok.. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | Hey! Here is your weekly harassment. | 16:15 |
| e0ne | erlon: I agree. We'll have a conversation at the Summit too | 16:15 |
| erlon | e0ne, nice | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Any HA development updates? | 16:15 |
| geguileo | nop :-( | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Cool. Please make sure to pull me in on that. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Ok. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | #topic HA development progress | 16:17 |
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| jungleboyj | No updates for this week. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Ocata backport from driverfixes progress | 16:17 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you for all the work you put in to moving things from driverfixes/ocata to stable/ocata | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | I have gone through and looked at all of those. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Do you want to look at all of those or should I just merge them so we can move on? | 16:18 |
| eharney | i'll pick through some more of them shortly | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Ok, smcginnis was wondering if I should just merge them but I would feel better having you take a look if you can. | 16:19 |
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| eharney | i think quite a lot of them were already +W'd and just waiting on the beginning of the series to get approved, right? | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | There's just a few that haven't been approved yet. All have at least one +2. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder+branch:stable/ocata+topic:driverfixes_sync | 16:19 |
| eharney | there are only like 5 left, i'll look at them today | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Thanks. It would be good to get driverfixes and stable in sync. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:20 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Thank you! | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | Next topic. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | #topic ``volume:extend_attached_volume`` policy rule mechanism does not allow backends that do not support this feature to be handled separetely, creating a bad user experience | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | Continued discussion from last week. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | lseki: You here? | 16:21 |
| lseki | hi | 16:21 |
| lseki | we talked about using a extra-spec/capability instead of policy rule | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | So, we didn't come to a conclusion on this last week. | 16:22 |
| lseki | so, I'm not sure if it would be a bugfix or a feature | 16:22 |
| ganso | as per our discussion last week, it seemed to be considered a bug | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | ganso: Right. We didn't properly consider this when the feature was implemented. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Yep, that's my take of it - it's a bug. | 16:23 |
| ganso | but adding a new extra-spec/capability as a bugfix seems like a possible stretch of a bugfix | 16:23 |
| lseki | considering it as a bug, we could backport it to pike/queens | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Well, before we talk about backporting lets come to agreement as to how we want to resolve it. | 16:24 |
| ganso | jungleboyj: I assumed we reached agreement on the extra-spec/capability approach | 16:25 |
| * erlon miss the old voting balots | 16:25 | |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so we will need drivers that support extending a volume to report it as a capability ... | 16:26 |
| ganso | and the capability should default to False | 16:26 |
| Swanson | Wait, what? | 16:26 |
| erlon | Swanson, what what? | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | erlon: what what what? | 16:26 |
| Swanson | Why false? | 16:27 |
| Swanson | Now I have to do work to support something I think I can just do. (He said, not checking.) | 16:27 |
| ganso | Swanson: because it is something that backends should explicitly report that they support, rather than assume they do if they do nothing, which could lead to bad user experience | 16:27 |
| erlon | Swanson, False so people that supports move that to true, and you dont have driver that does not support reporting true | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Swanson: Defaulting to true doesn't really resolve the problem. | 16:28 |
| ganso | Swanson: in that case, if you already do, the person implementing this bugfix should add the capability reporting line of code to all drivers that support it | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | I think most do support it. True would keep the existing behavior. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | Otherwise if it is working for someone now, then they upgrade, suddenly they need to change config to keep doing what they were doing. | 16:28 |
| Swanson | Wouldn't people who don't support it and don't want people using them to have a suck experience wouldn't they change it to false? | 16:28 |
| eharney | what is the behavior of the API if the driver doesn't support this? | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Ok ... | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Swanson: True. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | eharney: I believe it would attempt to, fail, and report that back to the user. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | So no real difference here. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | If it's True that is. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Otherwise, it will just start failing for everyone until they figure out what changed. | 16:29 |
| ganso | smcginnis: when they upgrade the new code should already include the new capability being reported for drivers that support it | 16:29 |
| eharney | the volume would just revert to in-use, right? | 16:29 |
| ganso | smcginnis: it could fail in a bad way if it is not properly handled in the driver | 16:30 |
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| erlon | eharney, that would only make sense during volume creation, if the volume is already created and the BE does not support, the extra-spec will not be used | 16:30 |
| ganso | eharney: in NetApp's case, it remains detached with status "in-use", so it is a broken situation | 16:31 |
| ganso | eharney: and would require a ticket to reset the state | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | ganso: Wait, this is extending an in-use volume I thought. | 16:31 |
| eharney | yeah something isn't adding up here | 16:31 |
| ganso | eharney: this is just an example of what could possibly happen. We intend to fix that to prevent that situation regardless of the new implementation we are discussing here | 16:32 |
| ganso | smcginnis, eharney: yes our driver currently has a bug in this workflow that detaches while trying to extend while it is attached | 16:32 |
| eharney | i thought the whole source of limitations w.r.t. in-use extend was about what nova/the hypervisor supported | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | ganso: Well that's a bigger issue then. It should not detach the volume. That's bad. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | eharney: ++ | 16:33 |
| eharney | smcginnis: right | 16:33 |
| ganso | smcginnis: yes, we are going to fix it regardless | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | ganso: But that doesn't have anything to do with the current topic. | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | ganso: That's just a bug in the netapp driver. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:33 |
| ganso | smcginnis: but we are talking about the user experience here, of which the user would have already created a volume and finds out cannot be extended because the backend does not support it | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | ganso: So the volume stays in the in-use state as you said above. | 16:33 |
| ganso | smcginnis: yes, it was just an example of what could happen if we leave the default to True and drivers don't handle this kind of situation | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | So what's the bad experience. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | Either the volume fails to extend or it works. | 16:34 |
| eharney | there is another approach too | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | And why it fails to extend doesn't matter if it's disabled or not supported. | 16:34 |
| eharney | we discussed at one point allowing the extend to succeed, but not having it really take effect until a detach/reattach was done later | 16:34 |
| ganso | smcginnis: defaulting to False avoids that for drivers that do not handle it | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | And f's all the other's that do and changes existing nbehavior. | 16:34 |
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| Swanson | My point. | 16:35 |
| ganso | smcginnis: actually no, because it will never ask the driver to extend the volume online as it will not be supported, since it would default to False | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | And it won't ask the drivers that do support it either becuase it would default to False from what you are saying though. | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | ganso: But doesn't that appear the same to the end user. | 16:35 |
| ganso | smcginnis: sorry I didn't get your last message ^ | 16:36 |
| ganso | smcginnis: s/get/understand | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | I don't care about drivers that don't support it. It's a basic storage operation to extend a volume. If you're storage fails, get new storage. | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | We shouldn't hobble all the storage that does work for the few that don't. | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | Agreed. | 16:37 |
| ganso | smcginnis: well I don't really see a problem with that, it could go either way, my suggestion was to False, and find the ones that should report True. The opposite works too. | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj | So, if we add the capability, we default to true. Then users who have an environment that have a combination of storage that does or doesn't support it can use the extra spec and make sure they don't schedule to that storage if they need the capability. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: ++ | 16:38 |
| ganso | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | If the storage provider doesn't update their capabilities ... well, tough. | 16:38 |
| eharney | it sounds like it might make more sense to add a capability that says that this is not supported | 16:38 |
| eharney | if it's really a rare situation | 16:38 |
| eharney | then by default everything just does what it should | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Hmmm. | 16:38 |
| ganso | jungleboyj: since I know my storage does not support it, I'll make sure to update my capabilities. I can't speak for others though. They might face bugs and it will be their problem then | 16:38 |
| eharney | otherwise we make the majority of deployers worry about a capability for no reason | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | ganso: smcginnis erlon Thoughts on eharney proposal? | 16:40 |
| ganso | eharney: do we know if the majority of drivers support it? | 16:40 |
| eharney | ganso: i'm not sure, but my guess is that most do... was hoping someone here knows :) | 16:40 |
| erlon | jungleboyj, I prefer this approach, defaults goes True, and we report false | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Isn't that proposal basically the same as defaulting it to true and having drivers report false if they do not? | 16:41 |
| gman-tx | seems like it | 16:41 |
| ganso | smcginnis: only if the majority supports. Otherwise default to False. That's what eharney implied | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | Do we have other capabilities that report an in-ability | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | That is my only concern there. | 16:42 |
| eharney | smcginnis: maybe | 16:42 |
| erlon | jungleboyj, there may be, dont remember any on top of my head now | 16:42 |
| eharney | i'm not sure it's a great idea | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Lets not spend more time on this. Lets add the capability and default to true. | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | I think that is consistent with what we do elsewhere. | 16:43 |
| erlon | eharney, the default value or the hole idea? | 16:43 |
| eharney | i'm still not sure why we want to add a driver capability for something that isn't mostly about the driver... but ok | 16:43 |
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| ganso | erlon: hole idea :P | 16:44 |
| erlon | s/hole/whole | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | ganso: He he he. | 16:44 |
| erlon | hahaha | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: This is where you flip a table | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | eharney: I think in this case it is about the driver. At least one specific one for storage that doesn't support extending volumes. | 16:44 |
| eharney | a capability is also not going to work for anyone who has multiple different compute hypervisors | 16:44 |
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| ganso | smcginnis: +1 | 16:45 |
| eharney | smcginnis: in the case we are talking about today yes... but i don't think it was when we designed this | 16:45 |
| ganso | alright. About backporting... Anything against it? | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | Don't think so. It is a bug fix. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ^^^ ? | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | I want to see the fix first. :) | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ Makes sense. | 16:46 |
| ganso | alright | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | Lets push up the proposed fix, we can review and move on. | 16:47 |
| ganso | lseki: did we address all your concerns? | 16:47 |
| lseki | ganso: yep | 16:47 |
| ganso | =) | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | lseki: Like the cat that comes in and starts a fight between the dogs and then watches. :-) | 16:47 |
| ganso | ROFL | 16:47 |
| eharney | so what about people who actually are using the policy? | 16:47 |
| lseki | jungleboyj: hahahahah | 16:47 |
| eharney | that still works too? | 16:48 |
| ganso | eharney: it should continue to work, but I'd suggest to remove the policy, or at least deprecate it | 16:48 |
| ganso | eharney: as the capability will be handling it | 16:48 |
| Swanson | Policy is policy, driver support is another thing? | 16:48 |
| eharney | ... if they went and configured volume types etc, it's not going to just handle it on upgrade out of the box | 16:48 |
| tommylikehu | Swanson: +1 | 16:49 |
| ganso | perhaps I missed some context when this was originally implemented. What was the purpose of this policy? | 16:49 |
| ganso | eharney: even if it defaults to True? | 16:49 |
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| jungleboyj | Can we move on from this as we have two other topics. We can come back if time allows otherwise lets handle it through the code review. | 16:49 |
| gouthamr | policy prevents users from using the API | 16:49 |
| ganso | jungleboyj: ok | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | ganso: Thanks. | 16:50 |
| eharney | api policy changes combined with new capabilities sound like something more appropriate for spec review than code review to me | 16:50 |
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| erlon | eharney, and therefore it goes out of the scope of a bug | 16:51 |
| erlon | :) | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | Oy ... Moving on ... | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | #topic How to name volume type's reserved extra spec key or what's our naming schema for this purpose. | 16:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "How to name volume type's reserved extra spec key or what's our naming schema for this purpose. (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:51 | |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: ^^^^ | 16:51 |
| tommylikehu | yeah! | 16:51 |
| tommylikehu | we have decided to use reserved extra specs to address availability-zone volume type feature during ptg. but we havn't decided what exactly naming rules for the reserved keys. | 16:51 |
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| eharney | my input is the naming should not be "os-extended:" | 16:52 |
| eharney | because that's basically a random string as far as extra specs go | 16:52 |
| tommylikehu | yeah. that's what I use in my code patch:) | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, that means nothing to me. | 16:54 |
| eharney | worse than nothing, it means "api extension" to me... which it's... not | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: So any idea what would be better? | 16:54 |
| tommylikehu | eharney: what's your suggestion? | 16:54 |
| tommylikehu | os-reseved:xxx? | 16:54 |
| eharney | what are these again? keys that have a special meaning within cinder? | 16:55 |
| tommylikehu | yeah, that's what I thought | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | cinder-spec: | 16:55 |
| eharney | you wrote it, i'm just asking for clarity :) | 16:55 |
| tommylikehu | it means it's a reserved key for cinder | 16:56 |
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| jungleboyj | cinder-key: or reserved-key: | 16:56 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: both works for me | 16:57 |
| eharney | how is it being "reserved" here different from something like a key used to control, for example, replication? | 16:57 |
| eharney | i.e. we already have a number of keys like this, right? | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | 3 minutes left | 16:57 |
| tommylikehu | cause it's different, we use this in the extra spec, but it will not be used when performing capability filtering as others do | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah that was how I thought this was different. | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | Not an extra spec for the driver. | 16:58 |
| eharney | will there be other cases of needing keys like this in the future? | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Possibly. | 16:59 |
| tommylikehu | it could be | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Lets finish this in the review now that people are aware of it. | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | I thought there were some other reserved keys like this. | 16:59 |
| tommylikehu | smcginnis: which are in the format of prefix: name? | 17:00 |
| eharney | smcginnis: me too... it's hard to name the field before we come up with a solid definition of what it means... | 17:00 |
| eharney | don't call it "os-" anything please | 17:00 |
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| tommylikehu | lol | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: eharney smcginnis Can we finish this in the review? | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu: Not sure, but I thought there was something already implemented. Been a very long time since I've looked at that code. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: I agree. | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Guess we'll have to. | 17:00 |
| tommylikehu | ok | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Last | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Push to merge NVMeOF cinder changes | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Push to merge NVMeOF cinder changes (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 17:01 | |
| jungleboyj | I think this is just a request to look at the reviews. | 17:01 |
| ganso | time check | 17:01 |
| Swanson | Overtime! | 17:01 |
| erlon | -1m | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | hamdyk: Correct? | 17:01 |
| hamdyk | Hi everyone | 17:01 |
| hamdyk | jungleboyj: yes | 17:01 |
| lseki | hamdyk: hi | 17:01 |
| ganso | hamdyk: welcome | 17:01 |
| hamdyk | thanks | 17:01 |
| Swanson | smcginnis never ran over time. | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. We will take a look. | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | And that is the meeting. | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: Hah! | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | Swanson: :-p | 17:02 |
| hamdyk | can you take a look at the patches and merge thim | 17:02 |
| jungleboyj | hamdyk: Will do. | 17:02 |
| hamdyk | I think we in a good shape there | 17:02 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks everyone! | 17:02 |
| erlon | -2m | 17:02 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 18 17:02:23 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-04-18-16.00.html | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-04-18-16.00.txt | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-04-18-16.00.log.html | 17:02 |
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| jungleboyj | erlon: I don't think anyone has the time after us scheduled. | 17:02 |
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| erlon | jungleboyj, I hear people walking in the door, I think they was just bassing by :p | 17:03 |
| erlon | *passing | 17:03 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 17:04 |
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| SotK | anyone here for the storyboard meeting? | 19:01 |
| * fungi raises hand | 19:01 | |
| diablo_rojo | Me! | 19:02 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 18 19:02:26 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:02 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 19:02 |
| SotK | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:03 | |
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| * diablo_rojo was too slow updating the agenda so... winging it? | 19:03 | |
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| SotK | that is my usual approach to such situations | 19:04 |
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| diablo_rojo | I'll do better next time! | 19:04 |
| fungi | i got teh gerrit service on review.openstack.org leaving comments on stories in storyboard.openstack.org as of saturday | 19:04 |
| SotK | \o/ | 19:04 |
| SotK | thanks for fixing that | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | I saw its working already which is awesome! | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | I will give Senlin the heads up that its not an issue anymore | 19:05 |
| fungi | turned out to just need configuration updated for gerrit 2.13/newer its-storyboard plugin | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | or whichever project that was | 19:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | Easy fix. | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/561342 Comment on linked stories for review state changes | 19:05 |
| fungi | that was the patch which ultimately did it | 19:05 |
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| SotK | nice | 19:06 |
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| SotK | we also had some more migrations right? | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | Not only will it unblock a project- it also removes one of the things on our 'blocking migration' tag list | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, yes we did! | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | OpenStackSDK OpenStackClient (thanks fungi again) | 19:07 |
| SotK | \o/ | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | And I think TripleO- validations squad? | 19:09 |
| fungi | yes | 19:09 |
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| SotK | #topic Migration Updates | 19:10 |
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| SotK | speaking of migrations... | 19:10 |
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| SotK | do we have more lined up? | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | I started rerunning test migrations that had previously failed for the lack of utf8mb4 support and so far they are all passing | 19:10 |
| SotK | that is good news | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, as of right now for this week I don't think so (aside from maybe another TripleO squad if we can figure that out) | 19:11 |
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| diablo_rojo | I need to circle back to a few that said they were basically ready to go- Barbican comes to mind | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | I just need to go door knocking again. | 19:11 |
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| diablo_rojo | Progress can still be followed here: | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/45 | 19:13 |
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| diablo_rojo | Also, was thinking it might be time to dust off the release goal and propose it for Stein soon? | 19:13 |
| SotK | I think that could make sense, I feel like we have some momentum now at least | 19:14 |
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| diablo_rojo | Much more than we did last round at least. | 19:15 |
| SotK | yep | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | I don't think there is a ton to update other than the individual project stuff. | 19:15 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:16 |
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| diablo_rojo | There are a lot of patches out there waiting for another +2 :) | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Went ahead and updated the project creator to stop telling new projects to use launchpad too | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/561753/ | 19:18 |
| fungi | now that i'm done figuring out the story commenting i was going to work on getting stories indexed in web search engines, but mordred pointed out that the angularjs migration once complete will allow us to make use of their "universal" server-side rendering | 19:18 |
| fungi | #link https://universal.angular.io/ Angular Universal | 19:19 |
| SotK | heh, I will do my best to provide some +2s at some point | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, thats convenient- lessens the workload for us right? | 19:19 |
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| fungi | in theory, but only if we get through the angular refactor | 19:20 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, no worries, should be a bunch of easy things if you get some spare time :) | 19:21 |
| SotK | yeah, universal will be nice I think if we can somehow find time to convert to modern angular and verify that nothing broke | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Heh | 19:22 |
| fungi | or at least that nothing _new_ broke ;) | 19:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Good point :) | 19:23 |
| SotK | heh, true | 19:23 |
| SotK | I plan to actually do some useful things this week, such as fix the project selection bug that practically everyone hits | 19:23 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, +1 | 19:23 |
| fungi | SotK: oh that will be awesome if you get to it. thanks!!! | 19:23 |
| SotK | and also look at fixing the board issues that were encountered the other day | 19:24 |
| fungi | people who are using sb regularly get used to the project selection quirk once they know about it, but new users reporting bugs on projects they're using won't really be likely to figure it out | 19:24 |
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| SotK | yeah, it seems like the kind of thing that's really frustrating for new folk and leaves a bad first impression | 19:25 |
| diablo_rojo | +2 for fixing things that leave bad impressions | 19:25 |
| SotK | the boards issues were less "bad first impression" bugs and more "this makes boards really annoying" issues | 19:26 |
| fungi | so anyway, aside from lifting the robots.txt and seeing if google manages to index stories (because unlike most other search engines they apparently have javascript savvy crawling implemented) i'll probably start looking next at the testing issues which are blocking fixing the private story e-mail notifications | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds like a good plan to me. | 19:27 |
| fungi | not that i have any expectation i'll be able to figure them out, but they seem important | 19:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Our intern should get notification they were selected the end of the week so hopefully will have a few more hands helping out | 19:28 |
| SotK | also sounds like a good plan to me | 19:28 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, investigation helps even if you can't figure out how to fix it yet | 19:29 |
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| fungi | right, at least i might suss out a little more and we can give someone additional context | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, if you can get that one patch that just explains the private tag in the webclient merged I can reach out to glance and we could migrate them Friday probably | 19:30 |
| SotK | sure, I'll look at that tonight | 19:30 |
| SotK | (I'm aware I've said similar for about a month but I actually have my test instance on my lap now) | 19:31 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha ha ha no worries. We know you don't do this for your dayjob anymore. | 19:32 |
| SotK | :) | 19:32 |
| SotK | anything else in progress? | 19:34 |
| diablo_rojo | What else we got going? | 19:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Don't think so. | 19:34 |
| fungi | i noticed that its-storyboard doesn't have a feature to assugn/unassign tasks on change state transitions | 19:34 |
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| fungi | probably a high-ish priority but will require someone with some java smarts | 19:35 |
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| fungi | #link https://gerrit.googlesource.com/plugins/its-storyboard/ Plugin to integrate with the Storyboard Issue Tracking System | 19:35 |
| fungi | sounds like the necessary account query filter by openid might already be implemented in the storyboard api | 19:35 |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi, ah yes :) That would be good. Also good work containing your excitement | 19:35 |
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| fungi | so we'd just need something which could use the openid gerrit has on hand for the committer id to figure out to whom it needs to assign a corresponding sb task on active states, and unassign on a transition to abandon state | 19:37 |
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| diablo_rojo | Seems pretty simple...but I also would have to look back through my java text books lol | 19:38 |
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| SotK | yeah, sounds pretty doable, it just needs us to find someone enthused about writing java | 19:39 |
| fungi | there are a number of other its-.* plugins hosted in the same place, but i didn't spot any of them doing bug assignment or somilar so this may be breaking new ground as far as a plugin getting access to the account_external_ids table in gerrit | 19:39 |
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| fungi | hopefully that isn't somehow disallowed by gerrit's plugin interface, otherwise the rest should be straightforward i expect | 19:40 |
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| diablo_rojo | Makes sense. | 19:44 |
| SotK | yep | 19:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Hypothetically simple until you dig in :) | 19:44 |
| SotK | hopefully it is possible | 19:44 |
| SotK | anything else in progress? | 19:44 |
| fungi | we can probably also lean on zaro__ with questions if we get stuck on that since he wrote the original plugin | 19:44 |
| fungi | he's been really helpful answering my questions so far, anyway (thanks!!!) | 19:45 |
| diablo_rojo | Noted :) | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Don't think so | 19:46 |
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| SotK | #topic Blocking Migration Stories | 19:47 |
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| diablo_rojo | Crossed one or two off the list this last week | 19:48 |
| SotK | yep, nice work folk :) | 19:48 |
| diablo_rojo | Can't remember what we have left to knock out- I remember a lot of them being sort of opinion-y | 19:49 |
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| SotK | I think most of the remaining ones are opinion-y or already in review | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Progress then! | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | The irc bot would be cool- hopefully we can get an intern on that one | 19:51 |
| fungi | search engine indexing and task assigning have the potential to turn into blockers depending on whether teams who are considering migration didn't know about them and didn't think to check | 19:51 |
| SotK | hopefully we can get them addressed before that happens :) | 19:53 |
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| diablo_rojo | +1! | 19:53 |
| fungi | here's hoping, yes | 19:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Little do they all know they can see our public logs for these meetings :) | 19:54 |
| SotK | :) | 19:54 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:54 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, coming to vancouver? :) | 19:55 |
| diablo_rojo | Please please please! | 19:55 |
| fungi | in my opinion, any teams who are following the sb meetings are totally welcome to help us prioritize things | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Agreed. | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | And welcome to help too if something is bothering them that badly :) | 19:56 |
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| fungi | maybe someone who likes to hack in java in their spare time will read it ;) | 19:56 |
| SotK | fungi: +1 | 19:56 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo: idk yet, but most likely not I think | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, someday | 19:57 |
| fungi | it _is_ a really long trip from the uk | 19:59 |
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| diablo_rojo | Its true | 19:59 |
| diablo_rojo | But still. | 19:59 |
| SotK | yeah, it is really far :) | 20:00 |
| SotK | anything else will need to be in #storyboard | 20:00 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| SotK | thanks all | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 18 20:00:56 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-04-18-19.02.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-04-18-19.02.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-04-18-19.02.log.html | 20:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks SotK! | 20:01 |
| fungi | thanks! | 20:01 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 18 21:00:33 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| acoles | o/ | 21:00 |
| rledisez_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| clayg | rledisez_: !!! | 21:01 |
| torgomatic | o/ | 21:01 |
| timburke_ | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | agenda for this week is the same as last week: | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
| notmyname | but we have a whole week's worth of new info about each topic! :-) | 21:02 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555245/ is still open and it fixes a high-priority bug | 21:02 |
| patchbot | patch 555245 - swift - Fix versioned writes error with url-encoded object... | 21:02 |
| notmyname | still needs reviewers, and it should land before the next swift release. | 21:02 |
| notmyname | as we get closer to a release at some point, I'll bug people more about it specifically | 21:03 |
| notmyname | (so in this case, there is *not* a week's worth of more info on it) | 21:03 |
| clayg | Lol | 21:03 |
| timburke_ | thanks for the fix kota_! sorry that i haven't gotten to reviewing it :-( | 21:04 |
| notmyname | ok... feature/s3api, feature/deep, and torgomatic's consistency engine work. all of these are wrapped up together this week | 21:04 |
| notmyname | let's see how I can untangle them for the meeting | 21:04 |
| notmyname | first up, I'll give a summary of where we are with feature/deep (and acoles can correct me where I'm off) | 21:04 |
| acoles | ok! | 21:05 |
| notmyname | good news with feature/deep is that we deployed it to a test cluster at the end of last week and ran it on a 145M row DB | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | bad news is that it didn't work perfectly | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | :( | 21:05 |
| notmyname | timburke_ did a lot of great work to get that tested and diagnosed | 21:05 |
| notmyname | the major issue that came up is related to DB replication | 21:05 |
| notmyname | ie replication during the sharding process obviously needs some work so that a lot of DB rows aren't moved unnecessarily | 21:06 |
| notmyname | timburke_: is that a resaonable, albeit brief, summary? | 21:06 |
| timburke_ | notmyname: idk what you're talking about -- that was *fantastic* news! *way* better to have it fail now | 21:06 |
| acoles | lol | 21:07 |
| notmyname | yes, it was fantastic to see it running and finding issues before we merge it :-) | 21:07 |
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| timburke_ | but yeah, definitely a lurking issue with db replication -- i saw my nice beautiful tiny db (that should eventually only have shard ranges) take on ~12M object rows | 21:08 |
| notmyname | if you remember from a while back, we'd set a goal of proposing feature/deep to master this week | 21:08 |
| acoles | notmyname: specifically we are now planning to stop replicating objects between peers when they could be moved to shards. before we still had some replication happening as well as sharding | 21:08 |
| notmyname | timburke_: acoles: right. thanks for the clarification | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | so regarding a merge proposal to master, the short answer is "it's not happening this week" | 21:09 |
| notmyname | acoles and clayg and timburke_ have been working hard on the replication issues (and other things) in order to get something that works | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | our new goal is to have a feature/deep proposal to master next week | 21:10 |
| notmyname | in part, that's going to be based on later tests this week of the fixes that have been proposed running in a real cluster | 21:10 |
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| mattoliverau | Nice work timburke_ and acoles, sorry if it was something I missed. Is there anything I can do to help? | 21:11 |
| notmyname | in general, there's a couple of assurances I want to give to everyone: first, and most importantly, we won't merge something to master that doesn't work | 21:11 |
| notmyname | nobody is going to propose a merge to master (much less approve it) in order to meet a date we set for ourselves | 21:11 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: nope it's nothing you missed | 21:11 |
| notmyname | and secondly, again, it's great we're finding this stuff now | 21:12 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/549678/ is where we're at and it is quite possibly more in your original direction of thinking | 21:12 |
| patchbot | patch 549678 - swift (feature/deep) - Stop replicating object rows when container could ... | 21:12 |
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| timburke_ | it was also an idea i'd had knocking around in my head since the ptg -- once we know where the rows should go, we should be trying to get them there asap, not kick them over to another server to deal with them | 21:13 |
| notmyname | so for everyone else, we will need everyone's help to review the merge to master. and it looks like that's coming quickly. the goal is next week | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | Ok, I'll review it today and try and get up to speed. | 21:13 |
| notmyname | torgomatic has already started looking at it in order to be able to better review it | 21:13 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: IIRC you were 'usync only' once sharding and we're now looking at 'nothing' | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | Kk | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | which brings me to the consistency engine work that torgomatic was working on (rooted at patch 555563) | 21:14 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555563/ - swift - Multiprocess object replicator | 21:14 |
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| mattoliverau | Well handoffs sharding to the right place is good too, so data does move, just to the right place. Ie a new form of replication | 21:14 |
| notmyname | that stuff is still open, still a great improvement to swift, but on hold until after feature/deep lands | 21:15 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: yep | 21:15 |
| timburke_ | mattoliverau: yeah, that was my key takeaway too -- and in particular, we're *not harming durability* by doing that | 21:15 |
| notmyname | any questions on feature/deep or torgomatic's patch chain? | 21:15 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: as we mentioned last week (I think it was clayg's idea), I'd still like to set up a video chat around the time of a merge proposal so that we can all talk about the general design and to help with our review process | 21:16 |
| tdasilva | sounds good | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | timburke_: +1 | 21:17 |
| kota_ | +1 | 21:17 |
| notmyname | rledisez_: kota_: m_kazuhiro: does all of that make sense? sound good? | 21:17 |
| notmyname | kota_: ah, you answered my question before I finished typign :-) | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | +1 to the video as well | 21:18 |
| rledisez_ | notmyname: looks ok to me | 21:18 |
| m_kazuhiro | +1 | 21:18 |
| notmyname | acoles: clayg: timburke_: anything to add about feature/deep right now? | 21:18 |
| kota_ | for video call ;) | 21:18 |
| acoles | notmyname: not from me | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ok, that brings us to the topic of feature/s3api | 21:19 |
| notmyname | I've talked to nearly all of you about this topic during the last week | 21:19 |
| notmyname | let me paste the summary in here so that we're all talking about the same thing and also so that it is recorded in meeting logs | 21:19 |
| notmyname | feature/s3api is ready to be proposed to master. this is a simple import of swift3's functionality and code into swift's repo | 21:20 |
| notmyname | if we do that, the advantage is that we have s3 support as a first-class part of swift. IMO this is very good for adoption and marketing of swift | 21:20 |
| notmyname | it's also good because it means we can remove "cruft" from swift3 and stop having to worry about compatibility matrixes (which version of swift vs swift version of swift3) | 21:21 |
| notmyname | and we'll get s3 testing with patches to swift | 21:21 |
| notmyname | that is all great | 21:21 |
| notmyname | however | 21:21 |
| notmyname | we originally wanted to make some breaking changes to s3api so that we could enable more functionality in the future. for example, we need a better way to map buckets to accounts and containers so that we can support public ACLs and more of the bucket api | 21:21 |
| notmyname | if we do that as we land s3api, ie if it's included in the first merge to master, then we've got the advantage of "here's a new thing named something new that doesn't completely work with the old" but that's ok, because it's all new | 21:22 |
| notmyname | if we don't do that breaking work now, then we may (probably will?) have to worry more about migrations and support in the future when we get around to actually doing that work | 21:22 |
| notmyname | so we could still try to do that breaking-change work to get the better bucket mapping. and do that before trying to import swift3 code | 21:22 |
| notmyname | or we could delay that work and merge what we have now | 21:23 |
| notmyname | if we delay, it's not a delay until a specific later date. it's a delay to "unscheduled", despite a clean merge being ready now | 21:23 |
| notmyname | so... that gets to the question. as I see it, we have 3 options. which do you prefer | 21:23 |
| notmyname | (1) community merges feature/s3api now as a swift3 import, and we accept the impact it has to feature/deep work | 21:23 |
| notmyname | (2) we designate a couple of people in the community to review and merge feature/s3api into master as it is now. we agree to let them do this without wider community input. ie it's like a normal patch to master with 2 cores and all the rest of us decide to be ok with the added s3 capability. this likely implies that those focusing in feature/deep will keep doing so and delegate authority on | 21:24 |
| notmyname | feature/s3api to others | 21:24 |
| notmyname | (3) we delay merging feature/s3api until an undetermined date in the future. essentially this means unscheduling the work and accepting that future work will never be as simple as it is right now. at least we'll have merge conflicts and at most we'll have the additional refactoring work too | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | ok, copy/paste wall done :-) | 21:24 |
| notmyname | as i said, I talked to most of you during the past week about this | 21:24 |
| notmyname | here's the consensus: | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | we should do option 2. and whoever the review champions are should keep in mind that they can call out to the rest of us if soemthing big is found | 21:25 |
| zaitcev | and the designated champions are... | 21:26 |
| notmyname | so here is the actual question for this meeting to everyone here: do you support this agreement. ie are we all ok with this as the way forward as a group? | 21:27 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: good question. let's make sure everyone agrees first :-) | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | So option 2 with a little bit of 1 (if something big is found) | 21:27 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: correct | 21:27 |
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| timburke_ | +1 | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | If we knew how it worked it could be a great time to use the meeting vote option :p | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | But it's +1 from me | 21:28 |
| clayg | lol @ mattoliverau | 21:28 |
| clayg | notmyname: sounds like a great plan! | 21:28 |
| m_kazuhiro | +1 | 21:28 |
| kota_ | let me correct the difference of 1 and 2 | 21:29 |
| notmyname | #vote do you support the community designating reviewers for feature/s3api in order to merge it now, knowing that it will cause future pain for migrations whenever we get around to scheduling the bucket mapping work? yes, no | 21:29 |
| notmyname | yeah, that didn't work :/ | 21:29 |
| tdasilva | i know i asked again, but just to try to clarify...if we named it swift3 for now with an eye on one day having s3api as a new middleware with all the work we want, would that help at all? or not really? | 21:29 |
| tdasilva | s/asked again/asked before | 21:30 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: IMO, not really. the hard part is because it will be in swift, and swift must have a migration plan | 21:30 |
| notmyname | ...plan for everything we have in swift | 21:30 |
| notmyname | we may need to rename it in the future. that may be part of a future breaking change plan | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | kota_: for (1) it means we'd all review it and delay feature/deep work. for (2), it means we'd treat it more like a normal patch to swift and we'd have 2 +2s and land it | 21:31 |
| timburke_ | ....but knowing us, we'll still end up supporting the old name indefinitely :-/ | 21:31 |
| clayg | timburke_: that's the spirit! | 21:32 |
| kota_ | notmyname: make sense, and the voting message concrete me to catch up. 2 has still the pain on the migration issue for un-developed features. | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | kota_: correct. both (1) and (2) have pain for future un-developed features | 21:33 |
| notmyname | in my opinion, because the future work for refactoring is completely unscheduled, we should land what we have available now. the benefits of having upstream s3 api support (technical and otherwise) outweigh future migration work that we haven't yet started to work on | 21:34 |
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| clayg | notmyname: well said! | 21:34 |
| clayg | notmyname: one in the hand two in the bush! | 21:35 |
| tdasilva | +1 | 21:35 |
| notmyname | any other comments on this particular question? if not, let's move on to choosing who the reviewers will be | 21:36 |
| notmyname | ie move forward with option 2 as I've presented it | 21:36 |
| * notmyname pauses in case anyone is typing something long | 21:36 | |
| acoles | I'm ok with us moving forwards with option 2, there's no ideal solution | 21:37 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:37 |
| m_kazuhiro | I like option 2 :) | 21:38 |
| notmyname | now for the big question! zaitcev_ said it... "who are the designated reviewers for feature/s3api?" | 21:38 |
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| zaitcev_ | Some kind of migration from swift3 is needed anyway, I'm afraid. Currently we're trying to wash our hands by making a middleware under a different name. | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | not everyone volunteering at once :-) | 21:40 |
| notmyname | so, obviously, feature/deep is taking a lot of time | 21:40 |
| notmyname | the point of option 2 is to impact that work as little as possible | 21:40 |
| notmyname | which means at least acoles, clayg, and timburke cannot review feature/s3api | 21:41 |
| kota_ | zaitcev_: at the point of migration from swift3, i added a few changes to support the migration (e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557623/) | 21:41 |
| patchbot | patch 557623 - swift (feature/s3api) - Change sysmeta name from swift3 to s3api (MERGED) | 21:41 |
| kota_ | at feature/s3api, so I'd keep the migration path as possible. | 21:41 |
| notmyname | torgomatic and mattoliverau are questionable because they're somewhat involved with feature/deep | 21:42 |
| notmyname | kota_ is the primary author of feature/s3api, so probably shouldn't be one of the reviewers (but we may reconsider that) | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | sooo... who's left? | 21:42 |
| kota_ | notmyname: it's what i thought but can be volunteer to fix the patch/ answer some questions | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | of all of us here in the meeting, we've got rledisez_, m_kazuhiro, zaitcev_, tdasilva, and myself | 21:43 |
| zaitcev_ | the answer is obvious, we still have myself, tdasilva, cschwede. | 21:43 |
| zaitcev_ | oh, yeah, Romain | 21:43 |
| notmyname | has anyone seen cschwede? I didn't count him because I haven't seen him around in a long time | 21:44 |
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| zaitcev_ | He's stuck in meetings whole day every day. | 21:44 |
| mattoliverau | And my time is currently limited with a bunch going on.. but if no one else will I'll find some time. But it might not be the fastest reviews | 21:44 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: did you have a schedule in mind? | 21:45 |
| notmyname | the goal of reviewing feature/s3api merge is (1) is it a faithful import of swift3 (2) does it make any major changes that cause for concern (3) is it maintainable code | 21:45 |
| tdasilva | i.e., do you want to see it merged before feature/deep or is it completely orthogonal? | 21:45 |
| notmyname | (any other major criteria for review of this feature branch?) | 21:45 |
| notmyname | I would hope it would land before feature/deep | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | I *could* start specifically asking people :-) | 21:47 |
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| mattoliverau | Ok, I'll start reviewing it today, maybe between tdasilva, kota_, zaitcev, m_kazuhiro and anyone else we can get enough eyes to get a consensus. | 21:48 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thank you | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | but I'd also like one other person specifically (instead of "and a few other people...") | 21:49 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: can we putdown redhat for now? | 21:49 |
| m_kazuhiro | I will try to review it. | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: redhat in general? :-) | 21:49 |
| tdasilva | heh, i mean: tdasilva, cschwede or zaitcev | 21:50 |
| notmyname | yeah, that's what I meant :-) | 21:50 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:50 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: m_kazuhiro: thanks | 21:50 |
| notmyname | ok, here's the summary | 21:51 |
| zaitcev | I have it on my todo list, but I am afraid to volunteer, given that I've not yet done it | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau, tdasilva (or zaitcev or cschwede) and m_kazuhiro will review feature/s3api merge to master. when they have approved it, we are all ok with that code merging to master without further review | 21:52 |
| notmyname | kota_: this means you or I need to propose the actual merge to master from feature/s3api. I can do that or help you if you want to | 21:52 |
| zaitcev | that... sounds like no change from the usual practices, actually. | 21:52 |
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| zaitcev | oh, yeah, that would be the best | 21:52 |
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| zaitcev | then I can comment on that review for the merge as a whole | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: it's the same as normal patches to master. it's a bit different than what we normally do for bigger stuff on feature branches | 21:53 |
| kota_ | either is fine to me. and i can continue to work on it to address issues from the reviewers anyway | 21:53 |
| notmyname | any objections from anyone? this is your chance to say something | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | kota_: I think we need to review an actual merge proposal to master. not a large patch chain | 21:53 |
| kota_ | ah, just a merge commit | 21:54 |
| notmyname | all right. let's do it | 21:54 |
| notmyname | kota_: I can make a merge commit to master right after this meeting so it will be ready after you have breakfast | 21:55 |
| kota_ | notmyname: thanks ;) | 21:55 |
| notmyname | thank you to everyone for helping me work though this and for helping us all figure out the cost/benefit tradeoffs for our ongoing work | 21:56 |
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| acoles | notmyname: thank you! | 21:56 |
| notmyname | that gets us to the end of this week's meeting. maybe by the next meeting we'll have feature/s3api merged and feature/deep proposed to master! | 21:57 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming and for your work on swift | 21:57 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 18 21:57:15 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-04-18-21.00.html | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-04-18-21.00.txt | 21:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-04-18-21.00.log.html | 21:57 |
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